As feminism has dispensed with the notion of legal equality on favor of measures that actively enforce equality of outcome, gender quotas have become the tool of choice for dealing with perceived “inequality” in any venue that women find desirable. This is why we see a push for quotas in management, cushy government jobs, school and such, but not so much in trash collectors, taxi drivers or front-line soldiers. The push for women in combat is an example of the hypocrisy here, because rather than actively put women in combat situations or dangerous assignments where they will stand a higher chance of getting shot or blown up, what the feminists are trying to do is expand the definition of combat so that women can put “combat experience” on their military resume and be favored for higher command.
It’s gone pretty far in the US, but in Norway they’ve taken it farther and legislated that all publicly listed companies reserve 40% of board positions for females. Norwegian companies were not pleased about the move, but of those that remained public or did not flee Norway, all have complied. A study by the University of Michigan took a hard look at the figures to ascertain the effect of this new legislation, and came up with some numbers that demonstrate that the fears of companies were quite rational: the companies that were forced to stuff their boards with women performed significantly worse than they had before.
Here’s an excerpt from the intro:
In this paper, we present new evidence on the relationship between firm value and board characteristics by exploiting a natural experiment in board structure created by an unprecedented exogenous change to corporate boards. In December of 2003, the Norwegian Parliament passed a first-of-its-kind law requiring all public-limited firms to have at least 40 percent representation of women on their boards of directors by July of 2005; at the time women held only nine percent of board seats. After voluntary compliance failed, the law became compulsory January 1, 2006, with a two year transition period. Firms that did not comply by January of 2008 would be forced to dissolve. Notices to comply were given to 77 delinquent firms in January 2008, and by April all public limited firms were in compliance with the law. Figure I presents the time series of this dramatic transformation in the composition of Norwegian boards of directors. Though more women were elected to boards, the numbers of female directors serving as chairman and CEO remained steadfast at less than five percent, consistent with press reports of the unpopularity of the law among existing board members and executives (Goldsmith, 2002).
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In a panel of 248 publicly listed Norwegian firms from 2001 to 2009, we find a large negative impact of the mandated board changes on firm value. First, we run an event study on the stock price reaction to the initial announcement of the quota. As discussed in detail in the paper, the announcement of the law was made in an unusual manner, which created a highly unanticipated news event. On the days around the announcement, we find that the average industry-adjusted stock return for firms with no female directors was ?3.54%, compared to ?0.02% for firms with at least one female director. The difference of 3.52% is economically and statistically significant. These findings are robust to controls for board size, firm size, and are significantly different than benchmark industry-adjusted returns of firms in the U.S. and other Scandinavian countries.
Second, instrumental variables estimates indicate that the quota caused a substantially large negative effect on industry-adjusted Tobin’s Q. A forced 10 percent increase of women representation on the board led to a 12.4 percent decline in Tobin’s Q from the average. Reduced-form estimates suggest that relative to 2003 benchmarks, firms with at least one female director in 2002 had industry-adjusted Q values in 2007 that were 0.26 higher than firms with no female directors in 2002; a substantial difference when compared to the average Q of 1.53. Additionally, placebo tests reveal no relationship between pre-quota female board representation and subsequent changes in firm value for U.S. firms. The results suggest that the constraint imposed by the law had a large negative effect on firm value, commensurate with the massive reorganization of corporate boards imposed by the gender quota.
To be fair, part of the problem was that the new female board members had less experience, and that will change over time. However, due to the universal nature of the legislation, by the time that happens there will be no means by which to compare the female bords to the male (unless one compares private firms to public).
But even if integrated boards are found to perform as well as overwhelmingly male boards, we ought to ask ourselves why it should be the government’s role to force these things on companies, which operate independently from government. Isn’t this a net loss of freedom and choice?
Farther on in the paper, it is revealed that rather than comply, a number of companies simply delisted or fled abroad, presumably because they couldn’t afford the decline in performance:
If the negative effects of the gender quota on firm value were as large as our evidence suggests, we would expect to see firms try to avoid the law altogether. There are at least two ways that firms could do this. First, existing firms could change their form of legal organization to private limited, rather than public limited. Second, firms could incorporate in another country. In this section, we provide evidence that both changes occurred following the introduction of the law.
Using data from Statistics Norway, Figure II presents the time series of the number of all public limited and private limited firms in Norway from 2001 to 2009. There are, of course, many more private limited firms, so we normalize the time series to 1 in 2001. We also present the time series of total employment in Norway over this time period for comparison.
The figure shows that there is a steady decline in public limited firms starting in 2003 and continuing throughout the period. By 2009, there are less than 70 percent as many public limited firms in Norway as there were in 2001. In contrast, the number of private limited firms increases beginning in 2003 and continues throughout, ending in 2009 with over 30 percent more private limited firms than existed in 2001. These changes occur at a time when employment is increasing, with the exception of 2009. This indicates that, while the economy was growing, firms were more likely to choose to organize as a private limited firm rather than a public limited firm starting in the years after the announcement of the gender quota law, which only affects public limited firms.
Readers with a knack for statistics could probably do a better job than I can identifying the most salient points in the publication, so I’d like to invite commenters with some expertise on this subject to offer their own analysis.
Feminists are often touting the “benefits” of equality of outcome, but it’s time they were confronted with some if its costs, and asked to justify them. Why should we accept less wealth and poorer performance simply because they want to leverage women in a very small, but powerful segment of society?
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Not to mention the “John Galt” phenomenon of persons affected by such hiring/promotional quotas (men) naturally throwing up their hands and refusing to be as productive as they would have been otherwise…..then comes the collapse of the company(s) and once this sort of thing progresses acorss a nation, a national collapse that makes Greece’s trouble look like day-old donuts at the FEMA Camp.
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It’s not about freedom, it’s about power.
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As someone else recently pointed out- note the sexism in the law. It’s not that each board must be at least 40% of each sex, the law only applies to boards with more than 60% men. Boards that are more than 60% female, or even 100% female, apparently are fine. Oink, oink, oink!
Yet another example that feminism is not about equality, it’s about femi-supremacy.
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I guess the de-industrialisation of the west isn’t going fast enough, so they have to appoint women. If they have the qualifications, good, but because of their sex, this does not bode well.
While we are “nearby”, congrats to the Swedish Junior Men’s hockey team for winning the Gold Medal in Calgary yesterday. The feminists in Sweden must be perturbed at this. I’m sure if the Swedish women’s hockey team won a bronze, it would have got more attention over there.
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OT: has anyone noticed the trend the past week+ at MSNBC applauding the spike in gun ownership among women? Historically, pro-feminist progressive MSNBC (and other mass media organizations) have been anti-gun and almost daily featuring pro gun control and negative gun stories. Seldom, if ever, did MSNBC feature a self-defense (or hunting story) gun use story that saved lives and protected the innocent. The decades long anti-gun messaging by the mass media has failed. Gun ownership is spreading and ownership by women is spreading fast. Now, MSNBC is applauding women gun buyers as courageous heroines.
A couple months ago, MSNBC lovingly featured a photography book review ‘Chics with Guns’ (most of the women in it looked really elegant, feminine and classy minus a butch looking cop) and recently there was a positive recipe book review of a female hunter and chef. Then there is this week the MSNBC feature story lauding the 18 year old mother shooting an intruder in Oklahoma. How often does MSNBC laud men who own and use guns in legitimate ways?
My concern with women gun owners (or some of them) is that women are not (and they know it) held to the same standards of accountability as men. When gun ownership goes mainstream among women, many of those women are the female fashion trend junkies and will treat their gun as a silly fashion accessory or a political statement. Guns are not protest signs. Then there is the reality of women emotionally over-reacting to an event and being to quick to pull the trigger over a something such as a simple argument with the boyfriend, etc.
IMO, every MRA and every man should own a handgun and a long gun, and get professional training in their use and safe handling.
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Norway sits next to an ocean of oil and its government swims like Scrooge McDuck in a sea of petro dollars. That is the only reason that they can get away with this.
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A point that must be taken note of, is the actions and inactions of seemingly quite sophisticated, rational and stable men and women comprising the busines and finance community, in furtherance of this radical genderist ideaology.
What is the ultimate purpose or outcome of this genderist idea for which such crippling social, industrial and economic costs must be borne ?
Are the artificially promoted women doing personally or professionally better for genderism in business, corporations or the military?
Or are the women themselves now prone, for genderism, to inadvertently find themselves in harms way ?
Many scientists, statisticians, enginers and economists form a major part of societies elites nowadays. Do these people not see or simply choose to ignore the real financial consequences and negative impacts of affirmative action quotas on productivity and efficiency ?
These questions must be asked of societies leadership because every company, every firm, every industry and every business corporation including the military, sees and feels practically, that the genderist quotas they are forced to comply with aren’t working.
Indeed, beyond corporations and multi-nationals, whole countries and global regions are seeing and feeling the negative impacts, economic costs and consequences of the ideas and practises of femaleism.
Look at Europe for instance … They,ve run out of other peoples money to borrow or steal, in their bid to finance socialism.
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Females want all the rewards while doing none of the work. Female quotas go hand in hand with female entitlement. People should earn positions in society based upon their abilities, and not because of gender. I served as an Army Infantryman when I was younger, and the female hypocrisy by women in the military is appalling. I have had female finance clerks tell me that they are better qualified to serve in combat than men. The mainstream media eats up the GI Jane bullshit. Women in the military are liabilities. They do a dozen push-ups, while on their knees, and then act as if they are the baddest bitches alive. They have no humility. They think that they are war heroes because a mortar landed a mile away from them or because they saw tracer rounds in the sky one night. They are worthless and I can’t stand to look at them because they are frauds. All they do is talk shit about the male veterans, act as if they are badder than Army Rangers, screw countless soldiers and ditch deployments by getting pregnant, and wasting resources that could be better used for male soldiers.
Men, don’t EVER join the military.
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I’m telling ‘ya. We have quick “brands” like “socialism” and “free market” that can we use to tag and classify a country. The flip-side is that countries can use these terms to classify themselves to prospective investors, companies, immigrants, etc.
So. There needs to be a brand for a country having, for example:
o fair marriage laws
o the absence of affirmative action
o (etc.)
…so that countries can be rated on a scale of one to ten. Yeah.
… that needs a brand0
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No doubt that the costs of the quota system is hard to quantify. I doubt you’d find an accurate study from any of our modern universities.
However, Paul Kersey has spent some time on this issue. It’s one of his specialties. He suggests that the cost of AA has been our destiny in space – bases on the Moon, a manned trip to Mars and more.
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/05/we-could-have-been-on-mars-but-we-had.html
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Smart men will imitate women in their job performance, so as to enjoy a longer life with less stress.
As far as I can see, women are rewarded for non-performance. Men must do likewise: relax, take it easy and let the wimminz do the work.
And for the military, women are better fighters? Great! Then let them be at the front line. Why should men do all the dying if they are dying in vain, may I ask?
There is an old saying that goes like this: “If you can’t beat them, join them”. This may be admirably applied in all walks of life.
Men MUST learn to “UNCARE”, if you see what I mean. From that moment on, things get easier and easier.
I have often stated that women should be given all the jobs: that’s how it works in a matriarchy anyway.
My best wishes to my fellow men on this new year: CARPE DIEM!
Enjoy life: it’s so short. Quit worrying, enjoy your newfound freedom. See the positive side of living longer through reduced stress.
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In the US, the board of directors of a publicly traded company is more often than not stacked with shills for the CEO/President, and the largest shareholders. A powerful board is atypical.
The classsic profile of a board member is a retired executive, founding family member or “friends” of the CEO. They’re not involved in the day to day operations and are usually not even experienced in whatever business the corporation is in. Their compensation is in stock options and their salaries are usually a $1 per year. Each quarter they have to meet by law, and are “influenced” on how to vote on certian issues. They’ll meet for a day or two (in the “boardroom” or offsite at a swank hotel) and eat at lavish resturants.
(I worked for high tech company that had the CEO’s wife, Roger Penske and pro golfer Lanny Wadkins on its board.)
If there is a female on the board it’s a pure PR play, (most boards are VERY PR conscious, perception is everything and so is the share price of the stock). She might be a corporate lawyer and/or the sister-in-law of the CEO. The only time she’s engaged at all are during those quarterly meetings, and even then she’ll quietly nod in agreement with whatever is said. Why mess with a good thing?
Mangina boards (there are plenty of them), looking for a “female positive” PR play, will recruit a sassy and saucy executive woman from another company or more typically “promote” her from within. This ploy has been nothing short of disasterous over the years: Mattel, Xerox, HP, Yahoo and the latest victim Avon. The stock might get a “feel good” bump, but eventually the negative results of “strategic management decisions” can’t be ignored.
I think the affect Norwegian companies are seeing is more a result of low morale among productive males than actual management decisions. But I don’t know whether the (real, not percieved) power structure is the same as in the US.
In summary: Boards are not positions of power, but if your goal is to placate the femocracy, there’s no easier and risk free way than adding a harmless token female. Just make sure you get a good headshot for the Annual Report.
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Farther on in the paper, it is revealed that rather than comply, a number of companies simply delisted or fled abroad,
Of course.
The best tech company in Norway, Tandberg, was acquired by Cisco just weeks after this law was announced. As part of Cisco, it does not have to comply to this garbage.
The problem is, France, a much bigger country, is considering the same stupidity. A boom for corporations in other countries, who can now acquire rivals and promising startups on the cheap.
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Gun ownership is spreading and ownership by women is spreading fast. Now, MSNBC is applauding women gun buyers as courageous heroines.
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Yep! I can remember back in the 90′s. Back then guns grew out of the arms of straight white men as part of their evil biology.
Nowadays the left says that guns are good IF the preferred hands are holding them.
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Gentlemen, remember the teachings of Game.
The concept of a ‘shit test’ is behind all of these laws.
Women don’t actually want these things. They merely are filtering for which men are pushover appeasers, and which are the ones who can brush aside such requests and mock them. This is so women can identify the latter (and be attracted to these men).
Any such demand about Boards of Directors being 40% women, or the Indian parliament being 33% women, is effectively a plea for “Are there no more men who can dismiss such outlandish requests?!?!? Are there no more men who can show that we should be attracted to them?!?!?”
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Enough voters in Norway pulled this off. The voters elect the congress/parliament, and the politicians vote this silly crap into law. All I have to say is Norwegians must like it.
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You know, it wouldn’t surprise me to see that some of this spike is related to laws that prohibit men who have ever taken a plea in a DV case (including misdemeanors) from owning firearms. Could be their girlfriends are buying the guns for them.
LastCrucible, if you’re reading, please join me over at ForbesWoman, where we are having a frank discussion on race and class. Also, it would help me out personally if they see that I have a “black friend” :
Youth In The Office: Defying The Odds
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/01/06/youth-in-the-office-i-was-a-poor-black-kid/
And Price, what a timely essay, as I am over at ForbesWoman showing them that men can “multi-task”, which is historically considered a woman’s strong point :
Corporate Boards: Shifting From Aging Men To New Generation Of Women?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sylviaannhewlett/2012/01/06/corporate-boards-shifting-from-aging-men-to-new-generation-of-women/
Elmer helps out with her PowerPoint presentation :
You forgot a bullet point.
Learn to Kneecap the Competition,/b> : Be prepared for daily vicious, throat grappling struggle against both male and fe-male co-rivals as you make the sacrifices towards your ascent to the top of Encorpera.
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Crap, made a goof and now the bitches are gonna be all over it :
You forgot a bullet point.
Learn to Kneecap the Competition : Be prepared for daily vicious, throat grappling struggle against both male and fe-male co-rivals as you make the sacrifices towards your ascent to the top of Encorpera.
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Put women on the board just because are women give them the privilege to be there, NOT the ability to be there.
Know the difference, it could save your business.
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@evilwhitemalempire January 6, 2012 at 11:56
“Gun ownership is spreading and ownership by women is spreading fast. Now, MSNBC is applauding women gun buyers as courageous heroines.”
Last December, two million guns were sold in the U.S.
An all time record high. Two million guns in one month!
It is felt that great turmoil is looming. People buy guns for self-defense against looters and murderers.
Women no longer feel safe now that at least half of them are living alone with their children with no man to protect them.
In addition to that, women are becoming more aware that fewer and fewer men will step in to defend them.
As a consequence, women have been left to their own design at the very worst time.
Most specialists(ex:Celente, Schiff, Griffin etc..) state that the road ahead will be extremely rocky: women are becoming fair game and they know it. A thug will think twice before attacking another man.
Bad time to be a woman. I think that’s why they buy guns.
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There is a piece today at the Huffington Post:
“Prosecutors Gone Wild: How Many Wrongful Convictions Will the Public Stand for?”
While the piece doesn’t directly mention FRA or males being the sex overwhelmingly and wrongly convicted, the author has written something that covers the moral corruption and lack of justice in the American legal system. It’s the HP so males probably can’t be shown as victims. Overall, it was a good read.
“Unlimited incidences of what other legally serious countries would consider frivolous or vexatious litigation clog the civil courts, and prosecutors enjoy a stacked evidentiary and procedural deck which gives them a success rate in prosecutions of over 90 per cent.”
“The United States has just five per cent of the world’s population, 25 per cent of its incarcerated people, and 50 per cent of its lawyers. The U.S. Supreme Court is unvaryingly proud to try law and not fact …”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/conrad-black/supreme-court-michael-morton_b_1189021.html
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I’d like to point out another area where female quotas come at a high cost, which is law enforcement.
Back in the early 90s my store was robbed. It was a busy day of the week when two perps came into the store to do the job. They had obviously “cased ” my place (or whatever they call) prior to the robbery. because they picked a busy day and knew exactly where to find what they wanted.
Anyway, that day, I went into my office to make change after a sale (I was a hands on proprietor and loved it) and there was no cash in the cash box. I immediately went out to the showroom to ask wife if she moved the money etc. She looked at me with total surprise. At that point, I noticed that the man (he didn’t fit the profile of a typical customer) who she was talking with, hurried out of the store. Long story short, they waited until I was busy while one of them kept my wife busy, so other one could sneak into the office to steal the cash and my wife’s purse. A lot transpired before the police responded to our 911 call. By the time I learned there was a second perp, and figured it all out, the first had left the store. Well, a policewoman shows up in a patrol car along with her shotgun and hi capacity side arm. As she pulled up to the front of the store (by that time I realized that the guy talking to my wife was one of the perps),left the store. I ran out to the policewomen, naturally very excited, and yelled to her “there he is let’s go get him” as I attempted to get in the car to show her who he as.BTW he was not more than 100 yards away. The “officer” locked me out of the car and said, “wait a minute,I have to write all this down” as she picked up her pad She made sure that she took long enough to to give the perp time to get away, which he did.
They got away with about $150.00 and my wife’s purse with her wallet in it and the usual important papers.C/Cs etc. But what bothered me the most was that a criminal was not more than 5 feet away from my wife while in the process of a crime. He could have been armed.
Obviously, that woman is responsible for a criminal being on the loose to rob again,or who knows what else he is capable of doing. All because she was too cowardly to do her job.
The price we pay is putting the citizenry in peril.
I have more to tell, but I have to get off now.
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Here is a funny one that occurred on my street:
Two years ago the police car chased a bank robber down into to a big local hospital. The thief ran through it and out the other side with the police in pursuit. A neighbor and friend was doing yard work when a bit chunky and slow moving female cop rushes out of the hospital right across the street from his house. My neighbor looks up hearing the female cop yelling to the few private citizens, all men, on the street: “stop him!” “stop him!”. My friend being the gallant hero type tackles the thief and holds him down until several other cops arrive. Can you imagine a male cop pursuing a thief and yelling to a few women residents on the street to: “stop him!”? I could see those hypothetical women filing complaints with the city and the media blasting a male cop for endangering the lives of women. In the real situation that occurred, no one except a few neighbors learned what actually happened. My friend’s wife gave him hell for risking his life tackling the thief.
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I’m working full time night shifts at a petrol station while I do my Bio Medical Sciences degree at Newcastle University. I see something like 15-20 patrol cars most nights, it’s rare that the car has 2 guys in it. Normally it is one male, one female, but more and more lately I’m seeing two females.
I could almost understand if these women were big, but they’re frequently very small women. The only protection these women have is the uniform. The minute they meet someone who doesn’t care about the uniform, they’ll most likely be seriously hurt or killed. I’m pretty sure I could take 4 or 5 of them on my own and I am average in every way when it comes to physique.
It’s more than a little disturbing for several reasons.
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evilwhitemalempire wrote: “Nowadays the left says that guns are good IF the preferred hands are holding them.”
— Just wait until gun owning feminists start crowing how only women should own guns.
W.F. Price wrote: “Could be their girlfriends are buying the guns for them”.
— Some of the sales I’m sure are because of that issue. Yet, I think the most buys are for women’s personal use.
rebel wrote: “People buy guns for self-defense against looters and murderers”.
— True. Women also buy guns out of the excessive twisted propaganda pumped out how we live in a ‘rape culture’ (not true), a belief women are mostly the victims of street violence (not true, males are victimized by assault at 4X the rate), and that women are the majority of DV victims (50-70% of DV is started by the woman).
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@Steve_85 13:39
Your post reminded me of something. Women put themselves in dangerous situations because they have been brainwashed by the Girl Power Garbage they see on TV and in the movies. They think that what they see in entertainment translates into real life. I live in the United States, and the overwhelming majority of women believe that a woman of any size can beat up a man of any size. I have had plenty of idiot women get in my face and try to provoke a fight. There was a woman who proclaimed that women can do anything men can do because of the heroics of Kyra Sedgwick’s character on the television show, “The Closer”, which is a police drama.
Women have lost their damn minds.
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Norway with 5 m people isn’t exactly an economic powerhouse and besides 40% of the board would not give them any power to change company policies.
Nothing like this would ever happen anyway with companies in other places like the US, UK, Japan etc because it is the shareholders who elect the Chairman at the annual shareholder’s meeting and he appoints the board members or in some cases they’re elected too. Do you really believe that the major shareholders are going to permit some politicians to dictate to them on how they should vote and demand that they vote for a female? They own the politicians.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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My friend being the gallant hero type tackles the thief and holds him down until several other cops arrive.
Your friend is a moron. Possibly get injured or killed over some of the bank’s money which is insured anyway? lol Wrestle around with some punk and ruin a $1k worth of clothes that you’ll never be reimbused for? That’s what we pay cops for.
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“Now, MSNBC is applauding women gun buyers as courageous heroines.”
I remember how liberals cried out that the US would turn into the Wild West and crime would actually rise if citizens were allowed to carry guns. In Florida, the test case, crime has actually dropped with the increase in gun ownership. In other states CCW permits are way up, while crime is down.
The gun companies have also successfully developed lighter alloys and more compact weapons, marketed to women as “female friendly”. You can buy pink pistol grips and jewel studded inlays; the latest in accessory fashion design. Training on how to effectively and safely use the weapon is sometimes offered as well.
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@Avenger January 6, 2012 at 14:23
“My friend being the gallant hero type tackles the thief and holds him down until several other cops arrive.
Your friend is a moron. ”
That has to be the understatement of the year!!
LOL!!!
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Here in Australia, the current Govt tried to replicate Norway’s laws to a limited extent. They have only restricted the genda quota concept to companies that directly fulfill contracts with the Govt. All other businesses are left alone. (The ALP that is currently running the minority Govt has a 30% female quota. It hasn’t done anything to improve their popularity or effectiveness as a political party.)
Honestly, one is not surprised that the University of Michigan study shows businesses will work around the politically correct nonsense that doesn’t make them money. Its just another example of how Feminism doesn’t really care for anything but its own ideological agenda of putting women ahead of men via artificial handicaps.
That leads me to a realisation…
* Feminism is not about equality. Otherwise, it would be called Equalism.
* Feminism is about handicapping in favour of females.
If you look on wikipedia…
=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicapping
“…the practice of assigning advantage through scoring compensation or other advantage given to different contestants to equalize the chances of winning.”
Gender quota and other privileges don’t make me respect women more. It just makes me feel indifferent as to why they’re even there to begin with. (Didn’t earn their way. Only there because of some rule. No genuine respect earned. Presence is tolerated instead of welcomed.) …I end up minding my own business and focused on becoming more valuable to my boss. He comes to me when the crapper hits the fan, because I get the job done well. Its quite surprising how productive one is when they don’t gossip by the water cooler and actually get work done.
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I would like to come back briefly on one of my previous posts regarding the purchase of guns in the U.S.
Of course, I do not trust the Main Stream Media for the intelligence I gather. (Being retired and free,I have all the time in the world to do what I want: I am an avid reader, to say the least, of alternative sources of information).
In the link I provide here, one can see some of the possible outcomes in the next three years.
Just take a look at this, if you like and make up your own mind (as you should always do..)
Enjoy the read.
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/01/06/25-new-predictions-for-2012-2015/
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“I remember how liberals cried out that the US would turn into the Wild West and crime would actually rise if citizens were allowed to carry guns”.
The picture below is from the GunBlast review site. It is my newest compact pistol:
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Ruger-SR9C/DSC09970.JPG
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Ultimately it is democracy that is the problem or at least in its present form. I dont see an economic justification for this or anything else that we do, especially with a country that has income tax.
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That last incident happened in a large town. I went to the Police Dept. to express my dissatisfaction over the matter and the chief told me. “They make us hire them.”
This next incident occurred at my home in a major Southeast US city.
I kept the rear part of my property heavily wooded because I liked the privacy. On the other side of the woods was a home where 3 men and 1 woman lived, all foreigners (different culture). A neighbor back there told me that she always heard loud and intense arguing coming from this house.
One evening, shortly after dark, I heard several shotgun blasts coming the above property, so of course I called 911 to report it. Guess who they sent. She comes to my door, hi-cap sidearm in tow and all. I show her where the shots came from and she proceeds back there on MY side. She’s looking around with her flashlight, comes to a small clearing nowhere near the property where the shots came from and announces that she doesn’t see anything. I asked her if she was going to check the property behind me, but I don’t remember her useless answer. She then leaves and never goes around the block to the front of the house to investigate.
Now, the neighbor back there later told me that she never saw the woman again after the night of the gunshots.
For the remaining 15 years that I lived there, I always felt as though I would come across a dead murdered woman, with the murderers gone free.
Thanks girls.
Next, my only solution.
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Oh, on that second incident I didn’t bother going to the Police Dept about it.
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A girl in school once explained to me that it is absolute ‘oppression’ for government to mandate policies of gender-blind equality between men and women, because women are sooo intrinsically oppressed to begin with, and therefore require special treatment. at the time, I was somewhat dumbfounded at this argument, as feminists are forever whining that all they want is ‘equality.’ and for women to be treated ‘as people.’
In retrospect, I shouldn’t have been so surprised. Their vile ideology is all about acquiring power, privilege and prestige over the men, nothing less. no matter what else might be argued by the shrill little dearies.
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I’m surprised that the biggest quota/BS has yet to be brought up, Title IX. Not only is it a waste of money and quite frivilous (very very few women’s college sports teams make money), it mandates that each University must have equal scholarships offered to both men and women!?
Consider the most popular men’s sport (football) usually requires between 55-75 scholarships (depending on the level of play), by default, schools basically have to offer two to three more women’s sports than men’s sports just to have a football team. Have any of you ever been to a women’s college sporting event? I have and I can say that few people go, the competition is horrid…I left the lone women’s college basketball game I attended thinking…What the fuck was that!? Is it necessary for the goverment to mandate that this exists just so a unviersity can have a football team? I.e. a real game that people want to attend?
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After that first incident, it didn’t take me long to realize that the only way my family and I will be protected is if I do it. Matter of fact it was that very day that the revelation came to me.
The only practical way of protection had to be the use/presence of a handgun, so I set out to procure one. My caliber of choice was .357 magnum. I was pissed off.
I learned how to use it and became “competent with it. I discovered the I enjoyed shooting so much, I now have a nice collection, from .22 to .41 magnum, in revolvers and semi-autos. Plus the long guns.
I say the “presence” of a handgun because it is a fact that (in some places) where the citizenry is armed, as opposed to unarmed, there are less personal/violent crimes. There are more burglaries etc.
After that first incident I made it well known to the “right” people that I was well armed. And to this day, my .357 is usually not very far.
Sorry all you whatevers,
If some piece of shit criminal is within spitting distance to my loved ones, I’ll do what ever I have to.
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@Mickey T
To relate to your stories, my neighbour from across the street is a retired city cop.
Last summer, over a glass of beer, he told me that in his days, male cops hated to be assigned on a job with a woman. He said that male cops has come up with all kinds of excuses to avoid being “coupled” with a female cop.
When I asked him why, he said that no one among the cops wants to be the one who is always being shot at because female cops would not face the job requirements.
Nowadays, I see more twin female cops in police cars and you should see the chest beating a la Tarzan these brave women display. But deep inside, they are scared to death. This may explain why so many of them are on sick leave, maternity leave or burnout leave.
It’s also the main reason why female cops get most of the promotions and cushy office jobs.
Needless to say that male cops are the ones with zero motivation, specially when a capable 6 foot tall man gets shafted and replaced by a short ultra fat female who can hardly budge. Those females are a big liability for the police force.
There is a reason for this: it’s called, if I remember well, political corectumitude, or something of the sort. (PC for short).
There are quotas to respect. Next, I expect to see cops in wheelchairs.
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Oh, TG there has never been anything resembling an incident involving gunplay in my life. And I’ll do everything humanly possible to keep it that way.
Maybe that “knowledge of presence” thing helped.
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I love the .357. It’s probably my favorite handgun round. That said, it’s a poor choice for CC. I just don’t understand why people shell out hundreds of dollars for these lightweight .357 snubbies, when anyone who shoots knows that handling those things with a full-powered round is extremely difficult for most people.
The .357 is made for a full-frame revolver. Wanna pack a snub-nosed CC weapon? Stick with .38 special. I can put 5 rounds on target with a .38 in about a second with a snub revolver. Takes at least twice as long with a .357, and the aim is severely compromised by the wild kick and flash.
But for a full-frame sidearm, a 4-6″ .357 can’t be beat. The round is optimized for a 6″ barrel, so I’d recommend that for anyone interested in one. But if it’s a little pocket gun, even 9mm is stretching it. For women, I wouldn’t go over a .380. In your typical urban emergency, what counts most is hitting the target, and that has a lot to do with how many rounds you can squeeze off in a fast, controlled manner.
This is the gender equivalent of the “diversity is our strength” canard that Jarad Taylor has exposed with such tenacity at Amren and in White Identity.
Gender and race are two of the only areas where Man requires enforcers in order to pursue a goal that is so ‘self-evidently’ a ‘good thing’.
The ediface will eventually fall of its own weak and false foundation, but thank God for the Prices and Taylors of the world who will speed up the process by pointing out that the emperor and empress have no clothes.
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“I could almost understand if these women were big,”
Are you sure about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZM_5a1eOQM&feature=channel_video_title
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Many women spend their youth waiting for Mr. Big…
Instead, they end up with Mr. Bigglesworth.
(I can’t believe I didn’t think of this until now).
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@ WF
The .357 magnum is the most versatile and reliable of all handguns that I know of. It comes in at least 4 frame sizes, about 8 barrel lengths a variety of grips that would suit almost any size hand with different materials and different shapes.. Even if you are talking about one gun for all work, to me, the .357 comes closest to doing the job than any other handgun.
As far as small frame snubbies with a full load, I agree, it’s not a very practical combo for the reasons you mention. However you can use the light frame (S&W J frame) with lighter loads (better sttoping power than 38SPL) or a .38 SPL (as you mentioned) which still has very good stopping power. And as you mentioned, they also reduce flash, report and recoil. So why buy a .357 in that configuration? It’s always there and cost little more, if any. Some people can use unusual caliber/ frame size combos. I can use some of these hot load/small frame combos because I have large hands.
I don’t carry, so my favorite is my original Taurus 357 4″ 6 shot nickel plated medium frame. It’s my all purpose gun. If I had to carry, I’d use my S&W medium frame (K) in a 3″ SS with a rubber grip 6 shot, or my Rossi medium frame (seems to between an S&W J and K frame) 6 shot. Although I wouldn’t buy it, a J frame S&W with med/light load .357 should be ok for me. All have good stopping power and they can be controlled reasonably well enough to achieve acceptable accuracy for close work.
I choose a .357 because it suits all my needs, versatility,accuracy, and more than enough stopping power. If you select the right load for you, it will help with the recoil, report and flash. Believe it, or not I got used to some pretty hot loads (Black Hills, Starfire etc)
I have a .357 S&W K frame SS 3″ fixed, SS 6″ adjustable, SS 6″ adjustable full lug, Nickel 4″ fixed ENGRAVED WITH MY INITIALS. Taurus med frame nickel 4″” fixed, 8″ pol stainless full lug 9 shot. 2 Rossi med 2″ blue and SS 6 shot. I even have a .357 lever action Winchester rifle.
“……..5 rounds on target with a 38 in about a second…….”
With that, I wont even ask distance and group size. Not too many people can do that. At close range I can fire the .357 rapidly, but I don’t think I could get the accuracy you mention. But I’d have more stopping power per connecting round. A lot of it is preference.
When that incident happened at my store I insisted that my wife learn how to use a handgun. She was very good with the .22, but for obvious reasons, I wanted to bring it up a couple of notches . She was totally intimidated with the .357 so I found an extremely light load with same diameter which few know about. It’s called a .38 Short Colt. My plan was to wean her up to a med .38 SPL.
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Oh, I also have 2 German 3” and 5” blue and chrome SINGLE ACTIONS in .357 with walnut grips. Beautiful!!
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Don’t forget TJ Rodgers’ superb obliteration of a similar demand for women on the boards of companies :
http://www.cypress.com/?rID=34986
The letter is truly a work of art.
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TFH…that link is amazing. Quite possibly the coolest and most well thought out piece ranting about government intervention and political correctness into what should be a free market.
I would’ve paid half of my wealth to see the nun’s reaction to this piece as well as the hampster spinningly fueled debate her and her congregation had afterwards about it.
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If you liked the content TFH’s link, you might also enjoy this rant by Michael O’Leary, CEO of Ryanair, busting on EU bureaucrats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4HYSsrlcq8
Of course, Ryanair isn’t without its detractors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0rxASx1SxY
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I know that this is completely off topics, but there’s no risk derailing this thread, since it’s almost the end of the thread.
If you want to know more about the founders and financiers of the women’s movement AND if you have five hours to spare, then watch this vid and have your mind literally blown up.
I just finished viewing it and I could not resist sharing this with the members of this honorable congregation.
Careful: it may well blow your mind. View this at your own risk and peril: it rocked my base indeed, but at my age, it doesn’t matter anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd1Twnoq-Dw&feature=related
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Has anyone else noticed that the White supremacists have been trolling the comment sections this week?
Freedom of speech entitles them to post comments with links to their websites.
Freedom of choice should be exercised carefully by the readers to avoid sending web traffic to places that have nothing to do with men’s rights (a term which includes non-white men, BTW).
Those guys do more harm than good by posting here, but if we refuse to take their bait they will soon find other fishing grounds.
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Some where on this here internet, there is a picture of Glock 26 underneath a snub nose. 38. The Glock takes up a little more space than a snub nose, but has over double the rounds capacity.
i think the link is
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/9mm%20vs%2038%20Special.htm
We don’t have a crime problem in the US. We have a demographic issue. The US crime rate plummets once you remove two key demographic groups from the equation. The question is what to do with the info?
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The first paragraph of my last post should have included that the.357 has more different loads (bullet types, powder charges etc) available than just about any other caliber. From low velocity target loads to screamers like Starfire, Hydrashok etc.
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At the end of the day, the US can still afford female quotas and other feminist nonsense – otherwise it couldn’t pay for it.
Contrary to popular opinion, the US is not broke – at least not in the way homeless paupers are broke. It is broke in the same way wealthy people who live off capital are broke when their expenses exceed income and their creditors start becoming unpleasant. Bankruptcy is not the first course of action with such people. If they won’t curb their spending, they will eventually have to realize a few assets.
I expect the Russians, Chinese and maybe even Canada would bid up the price for Alaska sufficiently to make a nice hole in US debt.
Japan, China, Russia, Indonesia – maybe even India and Australia – would pay well for Hawaii.
Brazil might be persuaded to pay a nice little premium for Puerto Rico.
Once US borders are back to where they were say 120 years ago, that’s when careful spending and sensible law might begin to make a showing. If not, well maybe Mexico might like to buy California back. Eventually, no matter what happens, change will happen.
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I should have also explained that since I retired, my lifestyle has radically changed to where it would be pointless to carry anymore. But, where I do spend about 95% of my time, protection is never far.
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Revolvers chambered for the new .327 magnum cartridge will also accept .32 H&R magnum, .32 long, and .32 short ammunition. Anyone who can even lift a pistol can take the recoil of the weakest of these cartridges, making the .327 a good choice for the weak fingered.
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@ Rebel
Looks like when male and female cops pair up, the male then has TWO asses to cover. Like truly fighting the bad guys isn’t difficult enough.
I think you know Paul Elam. If I’m not mistaken, he used to work as a corrections officer at a prison. He told the story of when he was paired up with a female one time, there was a confrontation with some prisoners and when it got heated up, she ran and he got the crap beat out of him.
A business associate who was an NYC cop told me of a situation where the female of a pair ran when a criminal pulled a gun on her male partner. He was shot and killed while she was running. And, believe it or not, she got some sort of promotion because the story was twisted to cover up and glorify her actions. She happily accepted the promotion.
I think you are old enough to remember Billie Jean King and Bobby Rigg. Ever since then they havn’t stopped thinking that they’re hot shit.
How many people (men) have to suffer or even die to let them go on pretending??
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What a joke. 40% females hired only because clueless totally misguided myopic behind the scenes U.N. policy adhering government bureaucrats say so.
And underqualified chicks absorbing these easy to come by executive and other positions think it their right to supercede those with superior talent.
How ’bout it people. Convinced yet that something is truly amiss and seriously wrong when dictation like this rules the day? No? OK, back in the pot with you while another log is thrown on the fire.
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As other posters have noted, the only reason that Norway is able to adopt policies like this is that the country has vast revenues from its North Sea gas resources. Any country that has the good fortune of such vast natural resources has greater scope to subsidize a lot of stupid and inefficient policies such as this without facing economic ruin. Most countries would not be able to afford to adopt such policies without the costs becoming more apparent and insurmountable. Yet more confirmation, if it was needed, that feminism is basically a luxury of societies that are wealthy enough to indulge women’s fantasies and ignore the harsher realities of life.
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“TFH January 6, 2012 at 11:59
Gentlemen, remember the teachings of Game.
The concept of a ‘shit test’ is behind all of these laws.
Women don’t actually want these things. They merely are filtering for which men are pushover appeasers, and which are the ones who can brush aside such requests and mock them. This is so women can identify the latter (and be attracted to these men). ”
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Amen. Feminism is essentially a giant shit test. It is nothing more than women seeing how much crap they can get away with before men learn to put their foot down.
A good example of this. You are arguing with some feminist, and she responds to your reasoned refutations of her claims with a lot of emotive, illogical, confrontational blather. In this case, the woman is testing you to work out if you are some wimpy beta male who crumbles in the face of an emotional woman, or if you are a strong, confident alpha who knows how to put a silly woman back in her place.
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When I read articles like this, I get the impression that many people think that large corporates are against government quotas on diversity, which they see as a bad thing. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Very few large corporates in the west today have good leaders heading them up (men or women). This is a consequence of the changes inflicted on large corporations over the last few decades by western governments pandering to what they believe is the women’s vote (in reality, they are conforming to feminist demands which are unlikely to be the same as what the average woman on the street actually thinks), and creating frameworks that reward keeping your head down to get ahead.
The result of this is that most executives make decisions based on minimising (personal) downside risk for themselves, regardless of the impact this would have on shareholders. I would stress that this applies to both men and women in positions of power in these firms.
In all the big companies that I have worked at, the idea of having ‘equal’ representation of women at Board level is generally taken as being optimal by both men and women working in those companies – in other words, the idea that diversity of management adds shareholder value is now fully internalised by the people at those companies.
As such, most of the companies in the FTSE 100 (and equivalents for the US, Europe) are already trying to increase quotas of women at executive level, and if they’re missing governmentally imposed targets, its simply down to a pure dearth of even approximately qualified female candidates for those positions rather than an active desire not to implement the diversity changes.
The place where reality still prevails (i.e. pushback is likely against equality mandates) is largely at the SME level, and possibly the smaller large corporates that are still fighting for growth and position.
Its highly likely that for a country like Norway, the overwhelming majority of companies that operate outside the domestic market are similar in nature to SMEs based in the UK or the US, and therefore the findings of studies like the one presented are not going to be representative of how large corporates in the bigger economies will actually respond to quota legislation.
The large corporates are so intertwined with the government appratus however that they must be assumed to have gone fully native with the feminist cause. So much so that even if overwhelming empirical data were provided showing that adding diversity to boards at the expense of experience causes loss in shareholder value, it would still not change these companies’ trajectory.
The only rational response to this hubris is to hold short positions on western blue-chip stock.
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Instead of going back to the kitchen, they want to take the kitchen out into the world.
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The most insidious effect of affirmative action quotas is a kind of psychic castration… the removal of the source of a man’s identity. By contriving the nonsense that women can do whatever a man can do (which they obviously can’t), they’ve levelled men’s purpose to the extent that men effectively have no purpose. The equivalent would be to remove women’s wombs, and render them sterile.
It’s not just messing with the laws of supply and demand and cheating men out of their rights… its about annihilation of identity and purpose.
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From a Schlafly report- Feb 2010.
“Obama’s state of the union speech…………….We are going to crack down on violations of equal- pay laws so that women get equal pay for an equal day’s work” ………………………it’s been a law since 1963 and it is already being enforced…….
Obama’s statement was just a throw away line to feed the feminist myth that women are victims of employment discrimination. It was designed to try to validate the false feminist slogan that women are paid 77 cents for work that earns a dollar for men. That’s not true because equal pay ought to be paid for equal work and most women don’t work as many hours or in as dangerous and unpleasant jobs as men. Women prefer inside jobs in air conditioned offices.
Obama hasn’t gone as far as Norway, which passed a law requiring that women must comprise 40% of all companies corporate boards. US feminists would probably like that rule; they pretend to see no hypocrisy in touting gender neutrality while demanding affirmative action for females. ”
We all know what we need to do this November.
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Agreed that a 6″ barrel is ideal for the 357 which is a great and effective caliber. I own the Ruger SP101 357 revolver with a 3″ barrel which until recently was the longest barrel Ruger made for the SP101. It’s a great gun and I’m happy with it. Ruger now makes a 4″ barrel model.
My newest pistol is the Ruger SR9C 9mm that comes with a 10 and a 17 round magazine. For a long time, I avoided the 9mm (based on reading many reviews and comments on gun blogs) yet today’s 9mm choices and the round’s potential are different than ten years ago. Improvements in stopping power have been made. When purchasing a gun I also usually consider the availability of the caliber.
Last year, I traded in my Glock full size .40 caliber. Both the ergonomics and features of the Glock were not a good fit for me. Based on the house I live in, the neighbor houses that are nearby, and the ammo laws I need to focus my ammo choices on hollow-point personal defense rounds. While 00 buck is the popular shotgun ammo for home defense, I don’t plan on using 00 buck in my shotgun for HD since it would possibly go through walls, and perhaps even pose a threat to my neighbors.
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MRA wrote:
“I could almost understand if these women were big,”
Are you sure about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZM_5a1eOQM&feature=channel_video_title
Wow. This reminds me of Chyna’s defeat at the hands of Joey Buttafuoco in Celebrity Boxing. This is a woman with top-level genetics for strength and durability in her physical prime, who has also taken steroids to increase her muscle mass. Yet she’s tossed around like a rag doll by a couch potato almost 20 years older than her.
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Men need to use the law to begin to demand things for themselves. Title IX for men. We can call it Title XXX or Title XY.
My vote would be to force the health care industry so medical benefits would be distributed EQUALLY with no exceptions. Since women demand absolute equality, they should get it. Right now they consume 31-41% more health care during their lifetimes and out live men by 4-5 years. Any doctor, government administrator, insurance company, or medical provider of any stripe that does not comply gets sent to a re-education camp run by divorced men who are paying alimony and child support.
Sound funny? Other than the part about the re-education camp, it would probably be quite possible. Feminism is in no small part a creation of our legal system. Take away the special laws and they will sink back to wence they came from.
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RE: 07: 36
This administration can do a lot more damage with another 4 years of feminist pandering. You can bet that the girls are pumping large amounts of money into his reelection campaign as we speak. That along with usual support at the polls.
I’d like to see a study (fat chance) on exactly where the feminists get their money, and how much of it is directly/indirectly coming from men.
We might not be very far behind Norway.
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Gender-feminism doesn’t seek power and privileges for just women, as they know things will collapse in the environment.
Also, Gender-feminism does not attack all males equally, just the hetero-sexual ones.
Neo gender-feminism wants to purge hetero-males from education, state and federal pork bloating, state and federal jobs, ect, ect. If no-one says this truth, than it never gets said.
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“I love the .357. It’s probably my favorite handgun round. That said, it’s a poor choice for CC.”
I carry the Glock Model 27, a mini Glock in .40 S&W, with a laser sight. It’s the most stopping power in the lightest, smallest package. I use Corbon Pow’Rball ammunition exclusively, which adds to the punch. I also have a S&W Model 60 .38, as a back up.
For home protection it’s the shotgun, any shotgun, all the way. For your vehicle I recommend the Taurus Judge revolver, which takes both .45 Colt and .410 shotshell. A handgun that shoots buckshot is a pretty compelling choice for a potentially awkward automobile situation.
As always never carry a gun without a flashlight (at night) and a cell phone, (to call the cops once you’ve shot the bad guy), and remain situation aware.
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“I’d like to see a study (fat chance) on exactly where the feminists get their money, and how much of it is directly/indirectly coming from men.”
Funding comes from a combination or various philanthropic enterprises and public corporations. It’s easy enough to find the information as they’re 501C 3. It’s a Who’s Who of leftist/NWO charities and various cuntsumer companies (paid ostensibly as extortion money).
They also have memberships that pay an annual fee. N.O.W. has about 500,000 members that pay a minimum of $25 a year to be a part of the sisterhood. That’s $12.5 million, tax free, right there. It’s big business!
Compare this to The Spearhead or AVfM that might scrape together a few thousand a year, and you soon realize what the Men’s Movement is up against. It’s a limitless Super Power vs. a small but motivated insurgency.
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So that’s how they intend to double benefit from the mass incarceration of American men, let American women become the police and jailors……just like in traditional marriage 1.0.
And don’t ever foget CPS are policewomen called social workers in plain clothes.
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Haha, yeah, The Spearhead’s income would support about 1/4 of a feminist, but it would take at least a half dozen of them to run the site. Their funding advantage is so overwhelming that it’s kind of funny.
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“I carry a Glock Model 27………………………..”
Could you tell me why you have all that artillery?
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I once had a catapult.
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“Could you tell me why you have all that artillery?”
Because I’d rather have it and not need it,
than need it and not have it.
A Glock and a revolver is not “all that”.
(I do have my eye on the “Judge” however.)
I’ve had guns all my life, worked in a gun store selling them and have shot competitively (…when I wasn’t clinging to my Bible). Guns have signified freedom from tyranny in the USA ever since we ran the red coats off. An “armed militia” or citizenry, helps keep things in check.
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Feminism is a societal pandemic yeast infection. The yeast will consume itself in its own mad orgy eventually eating itself to death. BTW, yeasts are a fungus (fengi) which is another appropriate name description for feminism (feminists).
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Aharon
You mean like fungimist ?
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The ballistics test on the judge are unimpressive.
And folks are delusional if they think the average US citizen will be ok with selling off states. Nor is it necessary. We could be the world’s largest exporter of energy if the govt and leftist got out of the way. and the best part is, jobs drilling for gas can’t be exported.
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How will things end, when American Academia is full of homo-sexual males; broken males who are broken and keep their heads down, and women (mostly lesbians)???
Folks don’t understand how close to a reality this dynamic is (especially in the gender-feminist strongholds of the North East), and when the last “un-broken” male is purged from American Quack-ademia, i don’t think these colleges will ever re-hire any males who are not completely “Broken”.
The results will be hetero-males will no longer feel welcome in higher education.
If no-one ever says it, then it doesn’t get said!!
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RE”09:02
I know about NOW and many other women’s/feminist organizations. NARAL etc.
I’m not very internet savvy and my time online is very limited. Do have, or do you know where we can get a list of these contributing consumer companies?? Have you made any attempts to contact them?? If so, what happened, if anything. Perhaps if they are companies we are able to boycott, the list can be posted here aswell as other MR websites.
Perhaps we can zero on legislation…………………………………
I guess we’ve been through this a jillion times. Our enemy is not women, it’s our nature.
These women got where they are, only because of their MO. They are selfish, greedy, vicious and ruthless. They have a strict “take no prisoners” rule. Of course, most men are not like that.
We know men can never entirely shed their White Knight outfit, but I’ve always thought, if driven hard enough, there can be a middle ground to get us moving in the right direction.
Men have just as much power at the polls as women, but only if they put down the Bud Lite and wings long enough to organize and put forth some effort. Sometimes the polls can have more meaning than money.
Ya know, after sooooo many years of fighting fems, dems and men, to find yourself still preaching to the choir becomes exhausting. We now have a great new tool which is a gift to us, if we only would recognize it and use it. It’s the internet.
It’s time for a serious and formidable website. It’s time for a political activism website for men which will actually do something.
And maybe it’s time for you to start it, keyster.
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RE:10:17
First time I hear the beat of a different drum.
Breaks up what might become boring.
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@ Mickey T
You know, you have to be patient. This is a grass roots movement and so it’s taken like 20 years to place the foundation.
IMO, the foundation is firmly settling, now, like a pyramid, each level will be easier to build upon the existing foundation.
Civil rights activism, which is what this is, takes eons especially if it is grass roots.
But, because it’s grass roots, you can’t stop it, the MRM is now unstoppable.
For instance, recognized MR groups from guys like you read here are now sitting at the table when new divorce laws are being written in a few states including mass., rhoad island and florida.
The only reason their talking to us is because they know they can’t stop us.
Now the question is, what do we want? (beside MGTOW)
I hope my grandsons son’s don’t have to worry about seeing their children or being butt raped in prison without evidence on laws that make heterosexuality illegal.
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“You mean like fungimist?”
@oddsock, ha! Yes, exactly like fungimist. It’s sorta like man+vagina = mangina. In our case; fungi+feminist = fungimist. Hey, you coined a new word today. I look forward to the day it gets officially recognized by Webster’s dictionary.
on the street:
womyn: I’m a feminist.
MRA: No, you’re a fungimist.
womyn: Say what?
MRA: Go eat yourself to death and you’ll find out.
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@ American
Well said. No unbroaken man will be let into academia until we force them to be allowed, we are the only force out their capable of stopping this biggotry.
The AAUP has sent a letter regarding the new rape laws but that is as far as the professors will go peeping out of their shells.
When it’s more expensive to be a biggot that’s when universities will stop attacking men.
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@Nick S
“A good example of this. You are arguing with some feminist, and she responds to your reasoned refutations of her claims with a lot of emotive, illogical, confrontational blather.”
Nick, I would like to suggest that an argument with a feminist is futile at best.
To me, a feminist is a sub-human, a waste of skin.
P.S. I don’t argue with insects, either.
lol!!
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@oddsock January 7, 2012 at 09:51
“I once had a catapult.”
You mean the centurion in your cohort allowed you to keep it after the battle of Alesia?
I wasn’t that lucky..
You must have had good connections with good old Julius C.
(Jaycee, as I used to call him)
lol!!
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http://www.amjmed.com/article/PIIS0002934311006553/fulltext
Excellent review of womans self reported sexaul activity in the over 40 crowd….hint….living with a dude is the most likely predictor of having sex in the last month.
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“An “armed militia” or citizenry, helps keep things in check”
Things have been out of “check” for forty years, keyster.
We’ve been defeated. We’ve lost our rights. We’ve been thrown into bondage. We’ve lost our children. We gain an inch, we loose a yard.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for gun ownership. But, no amount of guns you, I, or anybody here can ever buy will change what they have done to us.
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Rebel @oddsock January 7, 2012 at 09:51
“I once had a catapult.”
You mean the centurion in your cohort allowed you to keep it after the battle of Alesia?
I traded it in. The ergonomics and balance just didn’t suit me style.
Truth was I should have used proper elastic instead of the dunlop innertube from an old push iron I salvaged from the local tip.
It’s the Dunkirk spirit that keeps me going. Not to worry the Yanks are coming, I think? There’s a lot of dick waving going on lol.
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“It’s time for a serious and formidable website. It’s time for a political activism website for men which will actually do something.”
That’s all happening right now.
It takes years for any social movement to gain traction. I know it’s frustrating. The great paradigm shift of the internet is key. We’re talking 2020 +/-, until the great wave of misandry awareness hits the main stream and the public consciousness. Everything up until then is probing the frontlines for weakness.
“And maybe it’s time for you to start it, keyster.”
I find many Men’s Rights Activists too suspicious, prickly and incorrigible by nature, to ever want to take on a leadership or management position.
Breaking this movement through, a movement of awareness, is going to take levels of expertise, connections and financing that does not yet exist. Until then, it will remain marginalized on the “lunatic fringe”, (along with Neo-Nazi’s and NAMBLA)…which is exactly where the monolithic-juggarnaut of feminism wants it to stay…using tactics of dismissivness, derision and shame. Hence the creation of Manboobz and The Good Man Project, both started by men, as a response to the growing “Manosphere”; not to be out-flanked by an internet presence as it were. Yes, it was not women, but other men who did that…liberal/feminist men…weak minded sycophants of the Femocracy.
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Mickey T
Exactly. Saber ratling is of no use whatsoever. E.g. Fat lot of good that will do you if they arrest you and throw you in indefinite detention without due process etc etc. Course, that will never happen, it’s just me with me tinfoil hat on again. They would never pass such a law….would they ? Er…
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Mickey,
The Internet is the modern era Gutenberg Printing Press. The Internet is connecting and uniting the politically weak, and it is spreading information that would have been otherwise suppressed. In ten years, the micro media and blogs have eaten into the overwhelming control and influence once held the mass media. Paul Elam’s site A Voice for Men (AVFM) is taking a more activist approach mthan most MRA sites. Angry Harry has some good advice for MRAs too.
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Keyster
” Yes, it was not women, but other men who did that…liberal/feminist men…weak minded sycophants of the Femocracy.”
Look mate. I know you have the best intentions and are doing what you can to advance the MRA cause etc but, and with respect, until you get this left right bullshit out of your head and continually try to place the balme for feminism at the feet of socialists and the left you are just pissing in the wind. It was set up and funded right from the begining by the elite. The proof is easily found. You are barking up the wrong tree.
The goal was to destroy the family and dumb down society. Also documented. Feminsts/women just accepted all the benefits with the socialists and any other political faction that wanted to advance their ideology. The result is still the same. Just look around you, look at your own country, tent cities everywhere and the laws recently passed look at Europe. It beggars belief that you still will not accept this was all done by design. Do you really honestly think voting for the republican party or boasting about guns etc is going to change it ? Really ?
I despair I really do.
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@Oddsock.
I quite agree with you about the left and the right.
Both sides are under Jewish control. As was the Soviet Union.
The deathgrip is tightening up. They are not even trying to hide it anymore. The NWO is almost in place. But first, there is a war in the making.
Our children and all their descendants will live in slavery. Chipped. And there shall be no way out.
In the end, it won’t matter if we believe it or not.
Still, I am very concerned about my son. Fortunately, he will have no successor. My line will stop there. That’s my best hope.
What a lousy consolation.
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“I despair I really do.”
I apologise for causing you despair, but obfusacting into this “left/right paradigm set up by the elitists to control everyone”, is a red herring. I understand the political system and that its corrupt and both parties all full of greedy self-serving scum. The blatant deficiencies of the US politcal system could be argued endlessly, and I would agree with most of what you’d have to say. However down here at ground level, feminism is a Marxist/Sexist movement full stop. NOW, the AAWU and the Women’s Law Center are Democrats full stop. There are some lingering conservative feminist groups that shun “2nd wave” beliefs and want only pure equality not dominance, but they’re less than 1% in number. (Still better funded and organized than the MM.)
This entire political system is not going to spontaneously collapse, at least not soon; so if Democrats can be kept out of office in the meantime, feminist governance will at least remain in a state of arrest.
Abortion as an example is Feminist Issue Numero Uno. Personally I don’t much about care debating it, but if most Republicans oppose it as a social issue and it pisses feminists off no end, I’m for Republicans. Anytime feminist legislation has been up for vote, it’s opposed by at least some Republicans (if not all, such as the Paycheck Fairness Act) and zero Democrats.
Again, this is not some silver bullet. It’s a better of “two evils” reality.
When I say The Good Man Project and Manboobz are liberal/feminist men, it’s because they are. If you can find a website run by a Republican/Conservative man that promotes feminism, I’ll donate $25 to the Spearhead.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Alcuin said…
The best cooks/chefs in the world are men…In due time, they’ll probably want a gender quota for that as well, given the intrusive behaviour of today’s left-leaning Govts around the world. *rolls eyes*
Gender quotas in theory and reality are two very different things. When applied in a real world situation, you will often encounter people who shouldn’t be there. There’s consequential costs of being forced to employ someone who isn’t competent for the assigned job. eg: Reputation of the organisation, extra workload on other employees, increased costs to accomodate their needs, etc.
The more gender specific rules imposed on businesses, the more the situation will back fire on feminists. Like companies leaving Norway altogether, while others simply won’t invest in establishing a local branch to begin with, as the word spreads among business people.
But why would feminists or extreme-lefties care?
Most are liberal academics who sit on their ar$e, thinking up more stupid, delusional crap to impose on the world. Some are even supposedly scientists, but they reject scientific methodology if its counter to their political views! They prefer “moral outcomes” to their work. Which often runs counter to honesty or integrity of science itself…Go onto your favourite search engine and look up “Brainwashing Norway”. Its a documentary series that demonstrates such people regarding equality, genders, etc.
Notice how its never the attractive women who complain? Its always the angry trolls and ogres who want to impose their misery upon the world…Simply because no one pays attention to them. (Why would we? Its Nature’s way of eliminating the undesired.)
The basic gist of feminism boils down to this:
(From http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2011/05/sluts-are-revolting.html)
We can safely say, Norway and Sweden should be avoided. If the United Nations won’t establish a No-Fly Zone for men, then I guess MRAs, MGTOWs, ghosts, etc will have to spread the word among themselves. Avoid those countries. Don’t invest in them. (Aggressively left and feminist ideals aren’t sustainable in the long term. They have all sorts of ridiculous rules that will do more harm than good. Its best to avoid them from the start.)
Meanwhile over in England…
Another 40yr old women (passed her prime) realises she wants kids.
=> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2079584/Baby-goggles-syndrome-The-single-childless-40–women-let-hunger-family-wreck-chances-finding-love.html
LOL! I dub women like these as suffering from grievence feminism. (Ignored Nature, only to find such ignorance has bitten back in the long term.) …The only saving grace for this particular woman in question is that she admits she was responsible.
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OK, enough of that. Please check comment policy.
@Micky-ok let’s see what Travis prefers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBn3fW1ijU
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@ W.F. Price
I was aware, when I wrote this, that I was threading on very thin ice. Some things are better left untold.
I will therefore leave it at that before a missile finds me.
I am your guest: I will follow the rules.
Comments policy checked.
Regards
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Hey Keyster,
I find your writing very insightful as is alot of what is wrote on Spearhead. Though I am hopeful that change for the better is not that far off.
You wrote,
¨This entire political system is not going to spontaneously collapse, at least not soon…¨
Much of what is oppressive of men is underpinned by what to me looks like a house of cards. Don´t be so pessimistic, I have read a few things that make me hopeful recently and I would like to share.
Firstly this is heartening:
http://techland.time.com/2012/01/05/sopa-what-if-google-facebook-and-twitter-went-offline-in-protest/
This is heartening and powerful in and of itself but beyond that
Imagine the title being, Modern society, what if men went off-line. The society depends on the buy-in of men and we are already seeing the lack of traditional role playing; much of the bruhaha of the chattering class over ¨manning-up¨ is fear. Even Manginas are contributing in many ways. As time marches forward, we are losing the traditional men. Not that I find this totally heartening; just that under the right conditions, men still have that potential inside.
Secondly, this next reading is really sad so be forewarned. However to me it was very telling also:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/287410/left-s-so-called-empathy-mark-steyn
I want to post the following passage from Mark Steyn in it´s entirety so as to look at it more closely,
¨This crazy freaky weird: All those self-evidently ludicrous risible surplus members of the Santorum litter are going to be paying the Social Security and Medicare of all you normal well-adjusted Boomer yuppies who had one designer kid at 39. So, if it helps make it easier to “empathize,” look on them as sacrificial virgins to hurl into the bottomless pit of Big Government debt.
Two weeks ago I wrote in this space: “A nation, a society, a community is a compact between past, present, and future.” Whatever my disagreements with Santorum on his “compassionate conservatism,” he gets that. He understands that our fiscal bankruptcy is a symptom rather than the cause.
The real wickedness of Big Government is that it debauches not merely a nation’s finances but ultimately its human capital — or, as he puts it, you cannot have a strong economy without strong families.
Santorum’s respect for all life, including even the smallest bleakest meanest two-hour life, speaks well for him, especially in comparison with his fellow Pennsylvanian, the accused mass murderer Kermit Gosnell, an industrial-scale abortionist at a Philadelphia charnel house who plunged scissors into the spinal cords of healthy delivered babies. Few of Gosnell’s employees seemed to find anything “weird” about that: Indeed, they helped him out by tossing their remains in jars and bags piled up in freezers and cupboards. Much less crazy than taking ’em home and holding a funeral, right?
Albeit less dramatically than “Doctor” Gosnell, much of the developed world has ruptured the compact between past, present, and future. A spendthrift life of self-gratification is one thing. A spendthrift life paid for by burdening insufficient numbers of children and grandchildren with crippling debt they can never pay off is utterly contemptible. And to too many of America’s politico-media establishment it’s not in the least bit “weird.”
Modern America is largely a house of cards.
This last reading shows that at least some of our ¨betters¨are seeing that:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45867726
I´m not exactly pro-Greenspan, but the man is extremely studied in these matters,
“Cutting back on benefits that are ‘entitled’ is going to be a far harder political task than curbing federal discretionary spending. We have created a level of entitlements that will require a greater share of real resources to fulfill than the economy seems likely to be able to supply,” he said.
Maybe not so hard as he himself alluded to earlier in the piece.
I´m a man, so I never expected much from entitlements anyway and increasingly expect to receive less and less; so let´s completely get rid of them.
Let me try and summarize my thoughts which are not particularly original but seeing all these trends together is somewhat daunting for the continuation of our ¨Modern Society¨
Men( women too for that matter, they eventually hurt themselves though) are going their own way to the point that much of what we see as odious towards men is not sustainable.
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Dear Keyster:
If you can find a website run by a Republican/Conservative man that promotes feminism…
You mean aside from that fat old republican shyster Bill Bennett’s blog on CNN?
Kay Hymowitz is also one of those conservative family values political types who endlessly pukes up her “man up” shaming crap. Having seen photographs of that viperous old harridian, I’m absolutely certain that she’s a dude in drag, though I pass no judgment on such stuff. I dislike her for her opinions.
I’ll donate $25 to the Spearhead.
Pay up and I’ll match you. The Spearhead will get 50 bucks.
Regards, Boxer
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Dear Oddsock:
Have you read of the sudden and huge “deployment” of American troops to all the military bases around Israel ? From an MRA POV. Men just being used as cannon fodder. On a far more scary POV. When the attack starts on Iran they are sure to retaliate and send missiles over to Israel obviously killing many American soldiers. I can almost hear the Obama war speach.
Do you have a source for this? I don’t think any USA military has set up a base in Israel. I know they have some in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
Regards, Boxer
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Desert Eagle .50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivz4NA4zHzQ&feature=related
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Here you go Boxer
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1584/674/US_Deploying_Troops_To_Israel_For_Iran_War.html
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28519
WOW!!!
The USA, UK, Israel and the lesser warmongers don’t have the money for this. Perfectly insane.
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It’s just that this isn’t the place for that. But, at the risk of provoking more of the same, I think a lot of us ought to consider that Jewish men have to deal with the same issues as the rest of us. With Jews we tend to see only the tip of the iceberg — there are a lot more underwater (in terms of satisfaction with the state of affairs) than above. Same goes for men of all ethnicities and religions. I grew up in a very diverse neighborhood, lived in a nonwhite country, and struggled with these issues for a while. Eventually, experience led me to reconciliation with humanity as a whole.
So, here at The Spearhead, let’s try to set aside religious and ethnic differences and improve the lot of men in general. Despite what the feminists might say, this is actually best for all of humanity — including women. As an American, I’m proud that we’ve historically taken the lead in these matters, and I intend to honor that tradition.
But you can rest assured, Rebel, that I have a low tolerance for those who trash ethnic Americans like us, too.
M. Price,
I understand perfectly well what you are saying.
Perish the notion that I might want to trash any ethnicity: you can search all my posts and you will never find a trace of that. I will never evaluate a man by the color on his skin or by his religious belief. (please notice I used the word “evaluate”, not “judge”)
I realize I used improper terms: naming an ethnic group rather than their government or their leaders or their “decision makers”.
I also realize that this is a men’s rights forum, not a political arena.
Keeping me focused was the right thing to do. No harm done, no offense done and none taken.
You, sir, are a gentleman.
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Judge allows class action law suit on child support. Cracks in the wall are appearing.
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/judge-allows-thousands-to-1287298.html
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RYU and myself included would rather and simply have all the problems facing society be about Blacks because he is white … But it isn’t and cannot be so when more whites are implicated in problems for whites than blacks. Just as more blacks are implicated in problems for blacks than whites.
Rebel and myself included would rather and simply have all the problems facing society be just about Jews because he is Gentile … But it isn’t and cannot be so when more Gentiles are implicated in problems for Gentiles than are Jews.
Keyster and myself included would rather and simply have all the problems facing society be about the political left, because he is of the political right … But it isn’t and cannot be so, when the political right is just as heavily, if not more so implicated as the left is in social and society-wide problems. Like where every man and woman of the party and political right, still accepts and supports specific socialist benefits and socialist programs wherever such things advance the privilages, interests and prospects of their mothers, wives or daughters. As in medicaid, medicare and male-only-conscription to the military.
Feminists alone would rather have all the problems facing women be about men because they are female … But it isn’t and cannot be so when a great many problems of women are themselves brought about by women. For example, curtesy of the States hard beaten tax-payers, a majority of whom are male, over 300,000 european women are to have their silicone breast implants revoved for the silicones industrial grade. But the choice to have breast enlargement in the first place was entirely a female and personal choice. Indeed no State would ever accept to pay for say, male penile enlargement or extension, if it were men asking for it.
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RE: 11;52 Aharon
Thanks for trying to be helpful.
I was at AVFM since it’s inception. Paul does some great work and he is a helluva decent man, but he falls short in the area which is most important in the the way of activism and for our salvation in general. He is passionate and sincere in his efforts, but he doesn’t fully understand the political workings in the US today.
Angry Harry also does some great work, but he has a similar problem.
I’ve butted heads with both of these guys.
I’ve known Paul for a long time and I have to say, although we strongly disagree on some issues, he always remained open minded.
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“Keyster and myself included would rather and simply have all the problems facing society be about the political left, because he is of the political right …”
Feminists have done a very good job co-opting the Democratic Party, and the party has embraced the female victimhood status feminists promote, for the female vote. 76% of women in the USA voted for Barrack Obama in 2008.
The leftist/MRA can try to reconcile and justify his conflicted views by pointing to SocCon shaming from obscure commentators and pundits no one’s ever heard of, but the facts remain overwhelming that Feminism and Liberalism are hand in glove. And saying, “Well, I’m neither left or right then. I’m a humanist!…etc….”, is a cop out.
Every social movement starts out as philosophical and eventually transitions to political activism as a natural course. Eventually MRA’s will need to accept this, or remain on the lunatic fringe…exactly where the early feminists were in the 60′s.
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>>Isn’t this a net loss of freedom and choice?
It’s an obvious assault on freedom, so why even ask if it is?
Mobile PT’s response identified something that must be constantly kept in mind: hypocrisy is the keystone of ‘progressive’ liberalism which itself is the very root of such ‘reforms’. I would expand it though…why just corporations? How about those genderists go after the dissolution of government institutions which can’t find a way to get a 50% favoritism for the by chance vulva owners of the world? No, the power aspect of politicians would protect any such danger/consistency from passing into law if it every had a remote chance of forcing they themselves to comply with an onerous law or be disbanded. Remember – hypocrisy bylaw (for, surely, there must be a book) dismisses the hypocrisy of its own sponsors.
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@ Rocco,
“…be patient..”?
It’s been FORTY FUCKING YEARS of guys drinking beer and eating wings in front of the TV, while women stole our country and still are bringing us and our children further into slavery.
“…….20 years to place the foundation…….foundation is firmly settling now….”
What foundation? Where? Describe it realistically without ancient Egyptian references.
All I see is isolated groups of pissed off and hurt men who don’t even know who their enemies are, let alone even come up with a plan.
Men are still giving feminists the powerful position in the world. Did you know that MORE THAN HALF of male voters voted for Obama just 3 years ago. Men are hiring people who will destroy any sign of a foundation.
…civil rights activism……takes eons….?
Show me where I can find any meaningful examples of this activism you speak of. You have guys who run “powerful”websites who don’t even know the difference between a feminist politician and a regular politician.
Do you think we’ll be ok being a third world country, after these “eons” are completed.
“…you can’t stop it….thr MRM is now unstoppable”
I just found at least 33 different proposed provisions to increase Federal benefits for single mothers. That means WE are going to give these women more of our money so they can exclude us from any kind of father roles etc, etc.. The info was a bout a year old, so some of the bills must already been be passed.
They are so far ahead of us, we haven’t even selected the planet that this illusive “foundation” will be placed on. We don’t even have a meaningful plan to at least slow their rate of progression. We don’t even KNOW that we such a plan.
“MGTOW”
Do you mean Men Giving-in To Onerous Women??
My ass! Men are not built that way. We are not quitters!
You, as most men don’t know how late it is.
And guys like you (who got hurt badly) get on these websites and write all this nonsense which usually sounds good, because you are a competent writer and pretty smart guy.
You don’t how late it is, you know where you are, you don’t who is doing these things to you, you don’t how they are doing it………………..
I think you and I come from the same part of the country, so I’m sure you’ll understand when I say: You don’t know SHIT!!
I truly wish the best to all the suffering children and good men, and I will do what I can to help.
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To you “down -vote” happy guys:
If you are doing that for the content of the comment, so be it.
But, if you are doing it for the manner of speaking I have to tell you that where I come from, it’s common and rarely (if ever) has any affect on friendship or mutual respect.
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Micky T
Just in case you have forgotten ? There are quite a few women that regularly visit this site. They can also vote and I am quite certain they will cast up or down votes as a group if they think it will cause upset.
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@ Odd sock
I often get down voted for my mannerism etc where doesn’t make sense to try to “upset”. If anything, it “smoothed” .
No, I haven’t forgotten. I don’t think it can be much more obvious when a female votes.
Thanks anyway.
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BTW- The year that Obama (feminist in chief) won the election with the help of half the male voters in this country, his opponent, John McCain, is well known for his NAY vote on VAWA.
It was about a week after the inauguration when Obama showed his appreciation to the feminists’ campaign donations, by signing a bill into law which allocated our tax dollars to provide abortion abroad.
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Mickey T
Up or down votes are neither here nor their. Developing a good sense of humour and a thick skin will be of far greater advantage to you than concerns about who does or does not like your mannerisms or comments. Vent your anger by all mean but getting angry at down votes is a complete waste of your time. Perhaps you can consider them as a sign of your success? At least your comments are being read.
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Dear Mickey T:
Don’t sweat the downvoting. Usually the phantom downvoters go to work because you’ve got well formed opinions they’re unable to debate with facts. I suspect random feminists like Dave “man boobs” Futrelle and Hugo “I tried to murder my girlfriend” Schwyzer come around and play games too. Keep writing whatever you want and never mind the negative nellies.
Regards, Boxer
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Boxer Keyster Mickey T
Not sure if you are aware of this ?
Obama Denied Motion to Dismiss – Must Stand Trial in Georgia on Eligibility
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCICgWCJWo&feature=player_embedded
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Oddsock, Oddsock ,
Are we going to start a whole discussion on this?? There was no anger in that post. Not even a mild annoyance. You getting a little sensitive or something?
OK, there was a cryptic message in that post as well. Rocco, I believe, is of a different generation than me, and I wanted to make sure he knew that there was no malice directed to him in my post.
But anyway, if a guy is being obnoxious to another guy, wouldn’t a bitch encourage it by up voting??
Of course you know that the voting system here is designed to allow writers to be aware of how their peers view their opinions, thoughts etc. It’s usually not difficult to detect if it is, in fact, your peers who are voting.
But anyway again, since you show concern, I will check with you first, when ever I get the urge to get angry. LOL
Glad you’re reading my posts, always good to hear from you.
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Hey Mickey T
No problem, just trying to be helpful, only saying there is no point being overly concerned about the votes etc.
You have my permission to continue lol
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RE:14:16
Oddsock,
These things have been popping up, and fading away for about 3 years.
I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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Mickey T
“These things have been popping up, and fading away for about 3 years.I wouldn’t hold my breath.”
Yeah thats more or less what most people said that left comment on youtube.
You know what would cause total uproar ? I mean if it turned out it went to trial and it was discovered he was not a US citizen. Would that then mean that every law he has passed while he has been a faux president would be null and void ? Imagine the mayhem !
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Hey Oddsock:
My understanding of US law is that Barack Obama, if he were born someplace else, would be a *natural born citizen* due to parentage. Nearly every member of my family has such loopholes to jump through which is why I and all my cousins hop the border so easily and live on both sides of it.
I find such claims of forging birth certificates to be silly, especially compared to his long history of bad behaviour in covering up financial crimes by his rich wall street friends, declaring illegal wars which get thousands of American boys killed, keeping the concentration camp at Guantanamo open, etc. etc. Not that he’s necessarily worse than the last stooge who sat around in the Oval Office. To me they’re all hogs of the same sort who feed at the same trough.
Regards, Boxer
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Thanks Boxer
I agree with you regarding them all being hogs of the same sort and sadly it is much the same world wide.
Anway, it will be interesting to see how they get around this. They do seem to like the theatrics in the US.
As Gerald Cellente says, politics is Holywood for ugly people.
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As Gerald Cellente says, politics is Holywood for ugly people.
LOL! How true.
I don’t have a link any more; but, about two years ago, old Barack was at a state dinner when his spoiled and empowered wife started throwing a fit about something ridiculous (can’t remember what, or whether the details were even reported). He actually got up in deference to Michelle, who clearly has him by the balls, and left early, insulting all sorts of people in the diplomatic corps and their governments.
Imagine how henpecked that idiot must be. He’s the most powerful man in the history of the world, and he doesn’t even have the balls to tell his bitch wife to can the drama when out in public. Embarrassment par excellence. I laugh at him, and pity him at the same time.
Also interesting was the fact that he insulted every father in the world on Father’s Day a couple of years ago.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/node/10661
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Boxer
Just curious. Does that mean you can hold two passports ?
Ironically, there is a news article here in the UK about illegal imigrants walking straight into the UK with nothing more than a passport from any of the other EU countries. No visa required you see. Aparantly they just “Rent” a passport and send it back via post. Feckin amazing, if I wanted to stay in a third world country such as the Philippines I have to have vast amounts of cash and jump through all sorts of hoops/medicals and all sorts of other checks.
And another thing. I have never really understood the USA and Irish Republic arrangement. It appears that nationals of both countries can enter or leave each others country at will ?
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@oddsock-the US has reciprocal arrangement with about 30 countries (including the UK of course) where a visa is not required and people can just enter. Customs just stamps the passport (that’s like a visa) I some other cuntries you just get the visa from customs and pay a fee right there when you enter. If you want to go to Russia and are from the US or UK etc you need to get a visa in advance by sending your passport to the embassy and paying the fee and then they send you your passport and visa. If yu stay longer than a month then you’d need like a busiman’s type visa and would have to show proof of health insurance because even with their crappy health system they won’t cover you.
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Dear Oddsock:
A huge number of Americans have 2 or 3 nationalities due to huge and largely unregulated borders (until just a couple of years ago), immigration and etc.
My understanding on Ireland is that it has an ethnic based “law of return” much like Japan, Israel, Germany, and other places. North Americans of Irish descent can be naturalized quickly and painlessly.
Technically one needs prepermission to travel lots of places, though if you want to get into someplace for a short visit, you just show up at the customs shack and they’ll stamp you in. I’m sure they’d treat you (a yukkie) at least as well as me (a canuckistani).
You ever think about coming over here, by the way? There are tons of Brits in my area (at least on the Canada side) and more coming all the time. We got skiing and good Chinese food.
Boxer
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One of the original requirements to be a fireman was that you had to be able to carry a 200lb unconscious individual down a ladder with them over your shoulder.
Obviously very very few women could do this, so they modified it, so that now you have to be able to drag them down steps feet first. No mention of the resulting brain damage as their skull bounces off the concrete steps as you do it…
And I remember a fire dept in CA getting into no end of trouble because they video-taped women trying to handle a fire-hose. I think the original requirement was 4 men per hose – so they had 4 women, none of whom could actually hold the hose and those that did ended up on their a** and no water went on the fire. They had several clips showing the results of each group of female recruits – this was done in preparation for the law-suits that would crop up, and the fire dept wanted to cover it’s butt. Can’t say that I blame them…
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