American Sex Roles Unnerving to Eastern European Women

by W.F. Price on January 2, 2012

In looking into the phenomenon of culture shock, I recently came across a 2004 study that examines the problems Eastern European women have while adjusting to life in American society. The study is valuable in that it gives us a perspective rarely found in the English language, and suggests that American women themselves may be damaged (possibly more than men) through an enforced sexless environment.

It opens with a provocative question:

How do immigrant women from patriarchal cultures adjust to life in the Great Plains, where gender equality and feminism prevail? Do they feel that they have freedom from sexism and more social opportunities, or do they long for the female role that they left behind in their home culture? There are few places in the world where the women’s movement has been as vocal and active as in American culture. Gender equality is highly valued, and Americans believe that they have made more advances in this area than most cultures around the world (E. Kim 2001). As a result, many Americans assume that immigrant women will embrace gender equality and prefer to be women “in the American way.” Because American feminists perceive traditional women as oppressed, they seek to educate them about feminism and try to help them shed the traditional female role they were socialized to fulfill. How do immigrant women respond to American attitudes toward gender? How do they change as a result of living in a gender-neutral envi- ronment? Do encounters with American feminists help or hinder their cultural adaptation?

Apparently, despite the patriarchal nature of Eastern European society, women are treated with a great deal of respect, and deferred to in many situations. Men may be overrepresented in the public world, and women not taken as seriously there, but in private women are given a great deal of consideration and treated like ladies:

Writings on Eastern Europe stress the patriarchal nature of society, in which gender roles are distinct but complementary, with apparent respect for the role of women (Richmond 1995). Gender relations in Eastern Europe exist on two very different levels. On the one hand, the world of public institutions is patriarchal and male dominated. Even though men and women participate in the workforce in equal numbers, men receive higher salaries and hold most positions of power. On the other hand, interpersonal relations between men and women are either egalitarian or women receive preferen- tial treatment in them. Politeness toward women is highly valued. Men are attentive to the needs of women and seek to protect them from harm. Men are attentive to the needs of women and seek to protect them from harm. Gestures of respect such as opening the door for a woman or giving up one’s seat on the bus for a woman reflect a positive attitude toward women’s feminine qualities within the interpersonal realm. “Eastern Europe is still very much a man’s world. Women are flattered to excess, have their hands kissed, are presented with flowers, and are given other deferential treatment, but traditional attitudes toward the female sex still prevail. Women attempting to work professionally must prove themselves before they are accepted as equals”

I find it amusing that the need to “prove themselves” in the professional world is seen as a burden; the same is expected of Western men. However, the attention, affection and deference must be a source of comfort to many Eastern European women in their home countries.

In addition to the different attitudes concerning equality, the concept of feminism is not the same in Eastern Europe as it is in the West:

Most East Europeans associate feminism with gender equality in the legal sense. They feel that feminism cannot have much impact on their lives because during the past 50 years socialist ideology already promoted gender equality, women worked alongside with men, and equal opportunity clauses guaranteed their rights, in some countries earlier than in the West (Rohrlich 1979), yet discrimination in the workplace still prevailed.

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Most feminist research in the United States is based on the assumption that treating men and women differently has a detrimental effect on both individuals and on society (Wood 2002). Efforts are being made to decrease the presence of gender in professional interactions and to avoid sexism, the discriminatory treatment of women. As a result of feminism, changes took place in notions about what is considered feminine and masculine, and in what is appropriate work for men and for women. Women strive to become more assertive and to enter formally male-dominated areas of life (Hofstede 1998). Gender-neutral use of language is expected in public and professional interaction (Lakoff 1975; Murphy and Zorn 1996)…

So, in E. Europe, gender roles are recognized, and reinforced to some extent by culture, whereas in the US, they are seen as a source of great evil, artificially implanted upon humanity by the “Patriarchy” (feminist version of Satan and his minions), which must be stricken off through a sort of mechanical de-sexing process. Hence, we see that the US is not so much gender-neutral as it is gender-neutered.

It seems that this is a source of distress to many women from Eastern Europe, who are not prepared for the strange new world of American gender relations.

Some western feminists argue that men open doors for a woman because they assume that she is weak and cannot do it for herself. East European women emphasize that in their culture such gestures of politeness are a sign of respect accorded not only to women, but also to those of higher status. The same expressions of respect may be used by a student toward his or her professor or by a child toward her parent. As a Bulgarian woman sums it up: “Women are treated like flowers, but are respected for their strengths.” Participants explain that these gestures of attention make women feel appreciated and noticed. Women expect and accept such privileged treatment, and bask in the sunshine of attention whenever they can…

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Even though these expressions of politeness seem trivial, they fulfill a very important role in the culture because they validate gender identities of women in everyday life. Men treat women with distinction, and this allows them to fulfill the appropriate masculine role. Women invite such politeness by behaving in a feminine way, and when they accept privileged treatment they fulfill the appropriate feminine role. The validation of femininity that these gestures provide is one of the things that East European women miss most after moving to the United States. They feel unnoticed and unappreci- ated without them. Many women also miss compliments about their physi- cal appearance, which are common and are not regarded as sexist in Eastern Europe.

The irony here is that American women actually expect chivalry, politeness and the rest (as thousands of wistful articles, comments and blog posts attest), but they do not invite it, and in public they excoriate men for acting in this manner. Nor are they capable of behaving in a feminine manner; even if they were naturally inclined to do so, the tendency was eradicated when they were young.

Further along in the study, Eastern European women report being demoralized by the “sterilized” relationship between men and women, particularly in the workplace, where they lose interest in interacting with American men. One reason for this is that when they behave according to their cultural norms, America men tend to avoid them, probably fearing job loss through a sexual harassment claim. One woman, originally from Belarus, said that at work men “are afraid to look at a person who is female.” The EE women also report that although it appears that equalizing gender roles has worked surprisingly well in the US, they do not like it in their own lives.

They see American men as henpecked, inattentive to women (in terms of traditional manners), and less traditionally masculine, and American women as mannish, bossy and dominant. Some of their negative associations are left over from Communist times, when women in positions of authority were brutal and expected to behave like men. Over time, a negative stereotype about these kinds of women led EE women to prefer a more feminine role.

Despite their distaste for American-style feminism, EE women tend to strongly support legal equality for women. However, they do not think, as American feminists do, that this means that men and women should behave and treat each other exactly the same. Another difference is that EE women tend to view feminism in terms of caring for women and children rather than thrusting women into traditionally male spheres, such as the armed forces.

In other words, to these women feminism means something entirely different from what Americans understand. We must keep in mind that when an EE woman calls herself a “feminist,” she is not the same species as the frothing-at-the-mouth pit bull type we are familiar with here in the US. Rather, she is a milder, gentler breed with an entirely different set of priorities, and not really a feminist at all in the American sense of the word.

In some ways, feminism was first field-tested in the USSR. Radical gender equality programs were put into place very early on, but the harsh realities of the 20th century prevented their realization. Certainly, there are examples of effective Soviet female snipers and pilots from WWII, but the overwhelming brunt of the hard fighting was borne by men, and women exposed to the brutality of war liked it even less than their male counterparts. Despite the Cold War stereotype of the mannish, unattractive EE/Russian woman that was prevalent in the West, feminism never really took root because of real physical and economic constraints that got in the way. This probably explains why the movement has had such success in post-Cold War America: as the dominant nation on earth there is little sense of want or insecurity here, and the extra expenses involved in enforcing gender equality don’t seem all that difficult to bear (but they will in due course).

The differences between American and EE women make for some amusing anecdotes in the study, including one where an American woman tries to ram her idea of feminism down a Bulgarian woman’s throat.

Here is the quote in full:

And I had this argument, with [an American woman] recently. I was trying to explain to her that I am an educated person, I come from a very liberal background, I certainly read a lot of stuff about feminism…. The misunderstanding between me and her comes at a point where she refuses to realize that I feel my mind, my body, I’m free as a bird. I want my rights, my civil rights. I, however, do not insist in bearing arms, on being asked to do things that I do not enjoy.

And I tried to tell to her that the feminist movement in Bulgaria is not as popular as it is here precisely because of some history of gender relations, precisely because they are quite different than gender relations in the United States. She jumped from her chair, and she declared that I was not correct, and that the movement, the feminist movement in Eastern Europe is very strong…. I’ve read many feminist writings and it seems to me that they equate their experience with women throughout the world.

[She implied] that I wasn’t understanding what American feminism was about. I think I perfectly understand. And the other thing that struck me was her aggressive attitude. We weren’t discussing at a point. She was patronizing. She was telling me that I don’t understand. And I think I do understand. And I backed up, and I thought it was not worth it, because she wasn’t listening to me. (Bulgaria, 35, 6 years in the US)

The goal of the study was to ease transitions to American society, and through the quote selection one can detect a certain distaste for the behavior of American feminists from the author, who is named Nanda Dimitrov, and obviously of EE origin herself. She suggests that the aggressive behavior and bigotry of American feminists causes difficulties for the EE women by giving them a motive to resist adaptation to American values and norms. Dare we call it “chauvinism?”

I would recommend that any Eastern European – male or female – who plans to live in the West, and the US in particular, give this study a serious read. Likewise, an American man who has an EE woman (or one from any non-Western culture, for that matter) for a partner would do well to pay attention to it, because it could promote a better understanding of difficulties she may face, and also allay concerns he might have. For example, the sterile nature of interpersonal discourse between American men and women is not the norm in the rest of the world; when a woman acts in a friendly manner toward a man in the US it is usually taken as a sign of sexual intent, whereas this is not normally the case worldwide. Instead, American women are generally expected to act in a hostile or indifferent manner toward any and all men except those they intend to sleep with. This, as I see it, would probably be one of the biggest potential sources of misunderstanding.

Shortly after reading this study yesterday, I drove my kids back up toward the border to hand them off to their mother, and while waiting to be seated at a restaurant, I noticed a young man and young woman talking to each other. They were obviously colleagues, and the totally functional nature of the conversation, lacking any expressed emotion or concern for anything besides the practical subject, struck me as quite an unnatural way for a man and woman to relate to each other. I wouldn’t have thought much of it if I hadn’t read the study, but there it was on display, and it was indeed an example of what’s happened to gender relations in the US today. It is quite repellent from a human perspective, but we live in odd times, and these cultural norms have been dictated to the young for their entire lives.

Fortunately, not all of us live or work in such an environment. I am convinced that young men are avoiding the campus and the cubicle precisely because they find this kind of atmosphere abhorrent. It is only the professional class that has truly adopted it (the study indicates that professional EE women may have some of the most difficulties in regards to American gender roles — probably because of the professional workplace environment in the US), and even these well-behaved types chafe under the restrictions. And, it is not necessary to live this way at home. Despite their best efforts, there is not a feminist in every living room (unless that’s where you keep your TV), and men and women are free to take on natural roles away from the public enforcers.

Cultural differences often provide a lot of food for thought, and I’ve gained some interesting perspective on the plight of American women in particular, who are going to face a terrible reckoning in coming years, as they learn that being a second-rate facsimile of a man will be worth a lot less than being a full woman. Just as westernization was a terrible trauma to Eastern European men, the disintegration of feminism is going to be very difficult to bear for our women.

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AmStrat January 2, 2012 at 05:22

Any cultural studies on Chinese immigrants, Mr. Price? I’m interested in their perspective of our “culture” as well.

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Robert Griffith January 2, 2012 at 05:44

Very good read. I myself married a woman from a non-western country. Lebanon to be exact. For the first 5 years of our marriage we lived in my hometown of chicago. My wife took virtually zero interest in making friends with the women she worked with. My wife is a Muslim. (as I am also a Muslim after converting from Christianity) Therfor I suppose the difference in cultures may have played some role in her relationship with the feminists.

That being said, my wife found most American woman to be attention whores who sought the spotlight. She was also astounded as to how they spoke of men. American men in particular. I recal one incident that happened at a Christmas dinner that her company had thrown. We were eating dinner while one of her workmates was going on and on about how one of her female cousins had a boyfriend who knocked her up and then left her. My wife replied to the effect of “well if she was not acting in a way that would bring shame to herself and her family, then she would have never had gotten pregnant”.

Everyone at the table fell silent for about 30 seconds. My wife did not mean to insult the woman who was telling the story either. She simply stated in a matter of fact sort of way, something she felt was the root of the problem. Namely that the girl took part in behavior that one should feel great shame in. Her opinion is (as is mine), 99% of the blame of a unwanted pregnancy lies at the foot of the woman.

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Travis January 2, 2012 at 05:46

“being a second-rate facsimile of a man will be worth a lot less than being a full woman.”

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Art Vandelay January 2, 2012 at 05:52

That being said, my wife found most American woman to be attention whores who sought the spotlight

Isn’t that also one of the points of the study? American women don’t get the kind of attention EE women get, which I think women value a lot.

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Robert Griffith January 2, 2012 at 05:59

Yes. I was merely agreeing with the overall consensus of the article.

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AlphA January 2, 2012 at 06:08

@Robert Griffith
“Her opinion is (as is mine), 99% of the blame of a unwanted pregnancy lies at the foot of the woman.”

Hit The Nail On The Fucking Head.

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Dolores1982 January 2, 2012 at 06:15

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Avenger January 2, 2012 at 06:16

Very good, Welmer. I’ll comment on this later but since I know quite a few Russian and Bulgarian women I can say that in general they behave in a more natural way with men. Sort f like the way most western females used to behave before 1990.

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oddsock January 2, 2012 at 06:47

“Her opinion is (as is mine), 99% of the blame of a unwanted pregnancy lies at the foot of the woman.”

I doubt there are many ” Unwanted pregnancies “, Certainly by the woman.

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Pirran January 2, 2012 at 07:16

“And I don’t know what state y’all live in, but in mine, long term alimony is not awarded.”

Ain’t you one of the unfortunate ones. In many states, particularly if the marriage is over 10 years, you can be utterly stuffed (not to mention child support based on completely erroneous calculations that bear no relation to the actual cost of raising a child).

Yes, some women do come out of divorce worse, but it’s a far smaller number than men and a significant number of women do very well (hence the divorce porn and divorce fashion that Dalrock has commented on). Ultimately, it’s almost invariably women who will get the house, the kids and a significant share of her ex-husbands income on top to boot.

I’m sorry if your ex-husband decided to move out of the state, but there are MANY men on this site (and others) who have bankrupted themselves trying to keep in contact with their children in the teeth of opposition from hostile ex-wives and the institutions who support them. Just ask the man who set up this site in the first place.

When was the last time a court enforced a custodial order by taking the kids away from a woman for not complying?

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Jim January 2, 2012 at 07:24

I was with a Polish woman for two years or so. It was the greatest time of my life with a woman. Very feminine and ladylike. She actually liked men. Unfortunately it didn’t last too long. I’ll never forget her when I look at the American brats that we have here.

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American January 2, 2012 at 07:25

American Gender-Raunch aren’t going to be happy until “hetero-dominance” is broken. The question is what will America look like when “hetero-dominance” is broken?? Are there any models of countries where “hetero-dominance” is broken so we can see where what America is headed for??

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demirogue January 2, 2012 at 07:28

I overheard this one buffoon one night while out and about deriding a guy merely for being polite and calling her ma’am. She was calling him hick or something to that effect. That’s how low American women are. You can’t be nice to them at all. They’ll chew you up alive and spit you right back out for it.

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Anonymous age 69 January 2, 2012 at 07:31

>>Apparently, despite the patriarchal nature of Eastern European society, women are treated with a great deal of respect, and deferred to in many situations.

Let me fix that. Apparently, BECAUSE of the patriarchal nature of Eastern European society, women are treated with a great deal of respect…

@Dolores1982 So, do you deserve a Nobel Premium for taking care of your kids, as most men do if they are allowed to? You get custody, you take care of them, period. You only did what a woman should do if she gets the kids. This isn’t 1850.

You imagine your sons noticed. They certainly did. What you don’t understand is boys tend to become what they think their father is. You taught them well.

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poester99 January 2, 2012 at 07:34

I know a Bulgarian woman and this is very true of her. I agree that their style of feminism is very different. I say “style” of feminism because she is not a demure wallflower, of yesteryear. She is very feminine woman despite that, and she takes some pride and pleasure in being so.

Be as cold in the workplace as you please, as long as my paycheck clears the bank. Complain all you want about women, my grown kids (three of them sons) saw what they saw and came to their own conclusions.

Hopefully you’ve considered the mental well being of your children and limited sharing your cynicism and bitterness, with them, while they were growing up.
Happy New Year

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Dolores1982 January 2, 2012 at 07:37

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American January 2, 2012 at 07:39

Every time an American law enforcement officer re-defines what the meaning of is, is, in order to arrest an innocent guy on a domestic violence charge, it manufactures a statistic that Gender-Raunch use to inflame their way to empowerment.
If this fundamental “First perversion” that American law enforcement is now engaged in, were to be deemed “unconstitutional” it would flatten the tires of the Gender, Gender-Raunch empowerment vessel.

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American January 2, 2012 at 07:41

Folks, Im just sick of hearing loud mouth lesbian fisters inflaming a mob of lesbians and eunuchs. After a while i gets annoying.

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Coastal January 2, 2012 at 08:30

My favourite bit was the quote from the Bulgarian lady:

“And I tried to tell to her that the feminist movement in Bulgaria is not as popular as it is here precisely because of some history of gender relations, precisely because they are quite different than gender relations in the United States. She jumped from her chair, and she declared that I was not correct, and that the movement, the feminist movement in Eastern Europe is very strong….”

Yep, the Ameriskank was lecturing an East European about how things work in Eastern Europe. Of course. What more need be said?

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Dolores1982 January 2, 2012 at 08:31

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Raj January 2, 2012 at 08:53

When will men learn that women are the same all over the world?

Women from Eastern Europe are not nicer to their men because they care about them anymore than their western sisters but because in that environment, its in their own best interest. The same goes for Asia, South America etc.

That being said, of course EE women will be nicer to visiting Western men and when you bring her here, it will take a while to “adjust” to the new environment where its no longer necessary to value and respect men.

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oddsock January 2, 2012 at 09:13

Correct Raj

This is the most bitter part of the red pill we must all swallow if we are to truely awaken. We are all recovering manginas, some accept this and learn to re programme others still battle on with the notion NAWALT and continue to fool themselves.

NAWALT ? Yes they feckin well are ! We even had a female poster on here a while ago, made a superb post, told us exactly, AWALT and despite of this we still see men refusing to accept it.

There is no such thing as dangerous women, only gullible men.

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nofem January 2, 2012 at 09:40

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Rocco January 2, 2012 at 09:41

OT

Here we have a women arrested not for hitting a man but for doing it in front of his 5 year old son….

…..to single abused dads…..protect your children, here’s your case to quote:

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2435593.shtml?cat=565

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Scattered January 2, 2012 at 09:43

Dolores

Your husbands sounds like a woman.

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Eric J January 2, 2012 at 09:44

” I’m free as a bird. I want my rights, my civil rights. I, however, do not insist in bearing arms, on being asked to do things that I do not enjoy.”

Oh, REALLY? A time is rapidly approaching when the same will be expected of you as is your brothers. You’re in america now; land of the equal. “Equal” meaning “Same”, as it always should have ment. Wheather you are a SuperDyke or a SuzyHomeaker, femaleness means nothing.

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keyster January 2, 2012 at 09:49

“…as they learn that being a second-rate facsimile of a man will be worth a lot less than being a full woman.”

Hammer meet nail.
This is why we see the attempt at doubling-down on enlisting young men into “Menimism”, or the guilt ridden yet even more empathetic “nu-man”; such as through propaganda machines like “The Good Men Project”.

Equality can only be realized when you pull men down to being “second rate facsimiles of men”; when they can better relate to the “struggles women face” and get in touch with their feminine side. Women can never be men, but men can be like women if you pressure them enough.

OT:
I was at a mixed gathering yesterday and a guy mentioned he saw “The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo”, saying what a great movie it was and how “hot” the character of “Lisbeth” was. Another guy chimed in that he thought “the book was awsome”; “You’ve gotta read the whole trilogy man!”. All under the supervision of their female overlords of course.

I then stated quite boldly, “I’d never see a movie like that because it’s nothing but a vehicle for Swedish-Feminist Propaganda.” …Talkin’ about air suddenly being sucked out of a blue pill room! “Could you please pass the guacamole…?”

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Rocco January 2, 2012 at 09:50

@ Oddsock

As you have, I have traveled to more male friendly countries…the women were just as bad or worse than the women here. At least here they don’t expect to be treated like delicate flowers.

And while neither foreign or american women want to work, at least american women pretend to want to work.

Meeting men in LA who married russian woman was painful. The women looked like ex-prostitutes and acted like it, they had the air of 1970′s marriages where women still pretended to love and respect their husbands but at least dressed in a feminine fashion.

Although meant to be a joke, as we all know there is alot of truth in jokes…..you can tell how nice women in a foriegn country by looking at the exchange rate of the US dollar versus their currency.

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Traveller January 2, 2012 at 09:58

Nice post.

(Please notice: in the 2nd part you quoted, the phrases “On the one hand…” and “Men are attentive…” are doubled.)

It seems to me an important detail is to add: the American woman is less feminine AND less healthy. She is obese, she cares less about her body. A thing every blog about MRA or game notice, is how more slim and beautiful the foreign women are.

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Boxer January 2, 2012 at 10:45

And I tried to tell to her that the feminist movement in Bulgaria is not as popular as it is here precisely because of some history of gender relations, precisely because they are quite different than gender relations in the United States. She jumped from her chair, and she declared that I was not correct, and that the movement, the feminist movement in Eastern Europe is very strong….

ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahaha!

This chickie has discovered Brother Boxer’s favourite pastime: Poke the feminist beasties with a stick, and watch them rant and froth in their cages. Truly, this musta been a sight to behold.

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poester99 January 2, 2012 at 10:52

I then stated quite boldly, “I’d never see a movie like that because it’s nothing but a vehicle for Swedish-Feminist Propaganda.” …Talkin’ about air suddenly being sucked out of a blue pill room! “Could you please pass the guacamole…?”

A friend of mine mentioned that his daughter’s friend is reading it. I just stated outright that it is “feminist hate porn”. Thanks to the openmindedness of the group of men I was talking to, they were very interested as to why I thought so, and my friend is going to “interject” some critical analysis if his daughter decides she wants to read or see it.

It may not feel like it sometimes (because it is all hush hush, and not PC) but the MRA meme is really starting to get out among thinking men.

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American January 2, 2012 at 10:57

Some guys , even in the mens right sphere don’t like the fact that I stress the “law enforcement / gender-feminist misinformation
and manufactured statistics Alliance”.
American Gender, Gender-Raunch feminism is so successful here in the US, almost solely because of this twisted and perverted “manufactured statistics Alliance”.
Here in the US, law enforcement are getting federal Pork bloating dollars (Via VAWA) to use protocol perversions and semantics games, to re-define what the meaning of is, is; to arrest innocent guys on domestic violence calls.
This is the “first perversion” of the proper course of justice, and this “first perversion” manufactures a faulty and inflammatory statistic that Gender, Gender-Raunch academics around the US use to inflame their way to empowerment.

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Rocco January 2, 2012 at 11:17

@ Keyster

Props man, props, you got brash cajones.

I hope you don’t expect to get any work from the people at that party……the current sentence for anti-feminist thought or speech is banishment, first from any kind of lucrative work.

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keyster January 2, 2012 at 11:49

“…the current sentence for anti-feminist thought or speech is banishment, first from any kind of lucrative work.”

Ironically this particular circle of people depends on me to help with car repairs and various handyman projects; because the men are fairly clueless about how to do anything, other than mow their lawns, taking out the trash and watching sports on TV. (Subserviant/deferential men, feminist wives and daughters, mangina son-in-laws…Classic 21 century Familius Americanus; happiness a mere illusion)

Next time I’m asked for advice or to help with something perhaps I’ll just reply with, “Why don’t you ask the actress that played Lisbeth in The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo?” But then I can’t alienate everyone I know with my blatant “hateful-misogynist” rants. I’m on the brink as it is!

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Ecstasy January 2, 2012 at 11:56

American women have certainly lost touch with what it means to be feminine. What we get are overly-entitled females thinking respect is treating her like a man, and then bitching about not being treated like a woman.

They don’t understand that pretending to be masculine isn’t attractive to us men. Just as the article stated, you are going to get treated the way you act.

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Joe January 2, 2012 at 12:26

@American – it’s not that men disagree with your thesis of feminists + gov’t $ + cops = vicious circle.

No, you just get down-voted because everyone is sick of hearing “Gender-Raunch!” and “Perversion”! parrotted over and over again.

You’re boring people with your repetition of buzzwords that no-one else here finds useful or meaningful, and it undermines what are sometimes good points.

Drop the buzzwords, you’ll get a better response.

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Anonymous January 2, 2012 at 12:27

American Gender Raunch Guy:

“Some guys , even in the mens right sphere don’t like the fact that I stress the “law enforcement / gender-feminist misinformation and manufactured statistics Alliance”.”

No. We actually tend to agree with your point, insofar as you have one. What we don’t like is that you are an ahole who repeats the same nonsensical drivel, word for word, on every single post regardless of whether it is on topic or not. You’re actually more annoying and less on topic than peter nolan. You’re like the rain man of the manosphere. Write a coherent article outlining your beliefs and submit it to the site, or stfu. Thanks.

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scatmaster January 2, 2012 at 12:39

Dolores: With the filthiness of women exposed over and over on websites such as The Spearhead and AVFM, etc I will withhold judgment on your predicament until I hear the other side not just your version of it.

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Art Vandelay January 2, 2012 at 13:01

I’ve worked in offices with men and plenty of flirting goes on.

Of course your personal experience invalidates any surveys or research and the experience of others.

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Boxer January 2, 2012 at 13:04

Dolores:

I don’t believe a word you say. Know why? You have the temerity to come to a web page dedicated to men and tell us all what we should and shouldn’t think or feel about divorce. That in itself suggests you’re exactly the sort of pushy cunt that made her husband absolutely miserable.

Now you’ve got a couple of kids who will grow up to hate your bloody guts, and wish you were dead, for throwing out their dad; while he gets to resume the good life free of you. I hope none of the men here are kidding themselves that this whore has the undying love of her two damaged, fatherless offspring. I come from a single-mom family just like her kids, as do many of my friends. I and my sister hate our mother’s guts and wish she were dead. We’ve both made contact with our dad in adulthood, in contrast.

I feel sorry for your husband but time combined with the shortsightedness of women tends to destroy all their best laid plans, executed with the help of the state.

Die, cunt.

Regards, Boxer

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DCM January 2, 2012 at 13:10

“Dolores1982 January 2, 2012 at 06:15″

Please accept my sincere condolences for your unspeakable suffering under the oppression of the brutal patriarchy.

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American January 2, 2012 at 13:25

Joe, The buzz words “Gender-Raunch” very accurately describe the dominant form of feminism in the US today. “Gender-Raunch” is a mixture of “Gender” feminism with what Ariel Levy describes as “Raunch” feminism.
Everyone that i speak with personally know exactly who Im talking about when i say the “Gender-Raunch” community. If you can craft a term that articulates the gender-raunch community more effectively, then i would be open to discussing it further, But if its just the “Gender-Raunch” community who don’t like the term, well than too bad.
I didn’t like being falsely accused of a rape that never happened, and had the “Gender-Raunch” mob want blood.

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oddsock January 2, 2012 at 13:39

OT

We are going to kill the Dollar

Important info. Listen carefully to the interview it’s only short.

I have been hearing and watching for some time, a race to the bottom of the major currencies. This is as close a confirmation of the tactics being used to combat China and other developing nations. They can’t get china/india etc etc to raise their wages so the plan is to drop every fecker elses to match. There is going to be a huge drop in living standards especially in the USA.

Only trying to fore warn you, I am not having a pop at America. There is no recovery there never has been any recovery and there is not going to be a recovery.

Feminism and single mums are in for one hell of a shit storm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIFcuVTS3U&feature=player_embedded

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Mobile PT January 2, 2012 at 14:14

“Nor are they capable of behaving in a feminine manner; even if they were naturally inclined to do so”

American women have lost their femininity and couldn’t find it again with both hands, a map, and a flashlight if it was strapped to her ass.

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Joe January 2, 2012 at 14:53

@American – try just saying “feminists” or “radical feminists”. I’m honestly and sincerely trying to help you communicate, I am not attacking you.

By and large men don’t care about the subdivisions within feminism, we know about them, we understand them, but unless they are tactically or strategically useful to Men’s Rights, no-one here really gives a fuck.

You’re just putting people off reading the essence of your message by insisting on using “gender-raunch”.

Imagine you wrote a novel about the thrilling life of say… A conquistador in Cortez’ flotilla… And then you went through and replaced every single mention of his name and pronoun with “White-Skin-Devil-Imperialist-Colonist-Murderer”. It would totally destroy the books readability!

Or imagine you’re driving and every time the auto gear shifts there’s a clunk and the car lurches and nearly stalls.

It’s just like that. Please, stop with the “gender-raunch” already.

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keyster January 2, 2012 at 15:35

“If you can craft a term that articulates the gender-raunch community more effectively, then i would be open to discussing it further, But if its just the “Gender-Raunch” community who don’t like the term, well than too bad.”

It’s not a substance problem as much as it is style.
Like a band that just keeps playing the same three chords.

I – Gender-Raunch
IV – Perversion
V – Gender-Feminist misinformation

…and then resolve back to the I and start over.

We get the tune your playing, but learn some new ones man.
It gets tedious.

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GT66 January 2, 2012 at 15:59

Oddsock,

Ther race to the bottom and loss of living standards in the USA has been pretty obvious for for a while now. They are tapping the scapegoats now: Unions, white collar employees, people who feel entitled” to expect not to live in a shack or give over all their earnings to the King but, slowly but surely, even the few people left in America that can do the math are figuring out that if a Chinese worker earns one dollar and hour, we can NEVER compete no matter if it is unions or minimum wage. Thye government has noticed we are catching on and this was the motivation for recently turning America into a military dictatorship by passing a law that allows the President to declare any American a terrorist (for any reason) and deny them access to courts and provide them instead and space on the arena floor in Gitmo with some CIA gladiator torturers. No one ever expects the American Inquisition!

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GT66 January 2, 2012 at 16:03

PS – Sorry for all the typos!

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Geography Bee Finalist himself January 2, 2012 at 16:20

She (the American woman) jumped from her chair, and she declared that I (the Bulgarian woman) was not correct, and that the movement, the feminist movement in Eastern Europe is very strong…

I wonder if the American feminazi cunt can find Bulgaria on a map, let alone spell Bulgaria. We all know feminazi cunts still suck at geography.

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MRA January 2, 2012 at 16:33

American women want good husbands when they can’t even fry an egg.

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Joe January 2, 2012 at 16:33

@American – we all know you are “interested in discussing” it, but it’s not a discussion if you’re the only one speaking and no-one else wants to listen.

It’s a shame, because I’m sure a jargon-free account of how you came through that false accusation you mentioned would be of interest to folks.

Oh,well, fuck it, I tried to help. You carry on, mate.

@GT66 – Spot on. The passage of NDAA has put the official stamp on tyranny in the USA.
There seem to be three fronts of as yet, thin, opposition to this, one each at Federal, State and County level, where a few men are trying to push back. If you want to oppose it through legal means:
- Support Ron Paul.
- If you’re in one of the eight states that can, make like the Montanans and join the movement to recall representatives who voted “Yea” to this treason.
-Oh, and support the Constitutional Sherriffs movement. (Google Sherriff Mack)

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observer January 2, 2012 at 17:00

American feminism uses double standard mostly for materialistic gains:
1) They want equal pay and rights in entitlement and compensation.
2) they also expect chivary in their treatment.
When you fail 1) they blame you for discrimination. When you fail 2), they claim they are women that needs special treatment.
In the end, they demand both special treatments and equal rights.
I would like to say:
Next time, when Titanic sink, let American women fight their way to the life-boat.
I would like to know when american feminists is going to let go materialistic view and to invent airplanes, to paint sistine chapel.

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observer January 2, 2012 at 17:07

Another reason masculine men is not welcome in this consuming based society is that :
submissive weak men like to spend money.

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oddsock January 2, 2012 at 17:31

Observer

The trouble is, you will never find a feminist on a sinking ship or last out of a burning building. They all appear to have a sudden memory loss.

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oddsock January 2, 2012 at 17:35

American

The guys are simply trying to help you get your point across and in a more digestable format.

For most of us you will find we dont discriminate on types of feminism.

A feminist is a feminist is a feminist. Simple as that.

Happy new year.

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Codeazure January 2, 2012 at 18:49

Great article, this is why Spearhead is such an interesting blog. The warping of work relationships between men and women is something I’ve seen but not been able to describe as succinctly as this.

What is said about EE women could equally apply to a lot of East Asian women. They are confused and repelled by a lot of what they see with feminism in Western countries.

Happy New Year to all.

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W.F. Price January 2, 2012 at 18:50

Keyster doesn’t control nor support the-spearhead.

-Boxer

Actually, Boxer, he does support the site. Keyster also stands by his principles without trying to force them on others. To be honest, I don’t think there’s really much that the two of you would dislike about each other aside from a few relatively minor political differences.

But feel free to continue to scrap it out (within reasonable boundaries) — I’m the last one to demand that men set aside their love of the battle of ideas for kindergarten-style “consensus.”

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Jimbo January 2, 2012 at 19:26

About foreign women. The fact that it is agreed that American women suck, doesn’t change the fact that normal men would still naturally like a woman in their lives. Unfortunately, with global communication being what it is today, feminism is spreading everywhere, including Bulgaria. In other words, good luck finding a woman worth having. Many would like to think that feminism has run its course and is dying, but feminism won’t die until the civilizations infected by it die.

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Charles Martel January 2, 2012 at 19:38

poester99
A friend of mine mentioned that his daughter’s friend is reading it. I just stated outright that it is “feminist hate porn”.

LOL. I did the same thing at a New Year’s Eve party. Several couples were discussing the movie. I stated it was Nazi porn for feminists and followed up with the original Swedish book title – “Men Who Hate Women.” Added some more amusing political incorrectness. By the end of the evening one of the women had invited me over to her house and my wife was a lot more attentive. Funny. Thanks for the talking points, Bill.

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freebird January 2, 2012 at 19:45

Off topic:
The good men project has taken to not posting mens comments.

They are perpetually caught up ion moderation.
This is clearly a delaying tactic so the rad fems can re-group while the MRA’s are shut out.

We had them on the ropes there,and no the rules have changed against the male voice.

Looks like when men win the argument they get silenced.
Not much of a so-called project at all..

If they where honest it would be called
a voice for rad-fems.

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Napoleon January 2, 2012 at 20:06

@Robert Griffith

My dad is from the Middle East and my female relatives on his side openly agree with me when I bash American women.

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Boxer January 2, 2012 at 20:21

Dear Freebird:

I’ve never had time for the “good mangina project” and as such rarely read their articles, which seem to centre on kissing women’s ass and being a good doormat for females when I do occasionally pop in. The fact that they’re actively silencing the voices of the people that the site is ostensibly for is not surprising.

Regards, Boxer

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Craig Himself January 2, 2012 at 20:31

“Politeness toward women is highly valued. Men are attentive to the needs of women and seek to protect them from harm. Men are attentive to the needs of women and seek to protect them from harm.”

Indeed indeed. My corroborating anecdote about a time when I violated that:

I was at a retreat center in Peru just a few weeks ago. There was a sizable contingent of Russians there, most of them women, no less, who were just magic. In a silly conversation I play-punched one in the shoulder, as I would a fellow. Just a tap. Honest.

Her: “You hurt me. If you touch me again, I kill you.”

Aha. Note to self: Do not do NOT treat the EE ladies like one of the guys.

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codebuster January 2, 2012 at 20:53

Be as cold in the workplace as you please, as long as my paycheck clears the bank.

All well and good, except that the vast majority of women would not be getting any paycheck without affirmative action (state-sponsored sexism directed against men).

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Aharon January 2, 2012 at 21:30

A Russian woman, an immigrant, living in California once told me that Russian women like mentally and physically strong assertive men. If their men had not been strong and aggressive in response to the Nazi invasion of WW2 then the Russian women today might be speaking German. It is almost a shame that America has never experienced a foreign invasion, a more recent civil war, and a social economic collapse with unrest. American women have had it too good for too long. There can only be so many demanding princesses in one country before it begins to break apart.

“In a silly conversation I play-punched one in the shoulder, as I would a fellow. Just a tap. Honest”.
— Yesterday at the grocery store I got into a conversation with two women about using smoked paprika in recipes. One of the women obviously took a liking to me telling me that men make great cooks as she affectionately and lightly slapped my shoulder. Turn that around. If I affectionately and lightly slapped a women customer’s shoulder I might have ended up being handcuffed and arrested by the Portland police.

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codebuster January 2, 2012 at 21:56

I find it interesting that American men are constantly complaining about American women, yet nobody, neither Australian men nor anyone else, complains about Australian women. Fascinating. That’s because Australian men and women never communicate with one another, and sex is accomplished by way of tribal or feral rituals that take on the determinacy of rutting season in a casino. Is this a blessing of sorts, never having to understand your opposite sex? Just sayin’ :) Cultural differences are fascinating.

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keyster January 2, 2012 at 22:11

“I assumed that if Keyster controlled the content or acted in an admin-type capacity here he’d have shut me down long ago.”

You assume so much about someone you’ve never met and don’t even know. The whole point to commenting is moving the conversation forward, (along with a little much needed venting). Once it degrades into personal insults, I know the opposition can no longer rationally defend their position, yet they can’t bear to admit they’re wrong.

And I’ve never called you a “Jew”. I don’t know you. Why would I say that? And even if I did what difference would it make? If I ever called any one a Jew, they should consider it a compliment, as I’m a pro-semite.

My beef is the condescending personal attacks if someone dares disagree with you, and a few fairly pretentious diatribes about the benevolence of Marxism…on an Anti-Feminist blog no less. Your ego appears to have exceeded what you try and pass as intellect.

When I was young I thought I knew everything too.
Now I simply know what I don’t know.
One day you’ll understand this friend.

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Anonymous January 2, 2012 at 23:19

I’m not entirely sure why, but it’s the little shit in stories like this that piss me off the most. I can deal with overt, in your face feminism just fine.

But noticing that the study defined sexism as “Discrimination towards women” has gotten me all kinds of annoyed.

I guess it’s because I’m aware that most people who read stuff like this wont notice it or don’t see an issue with it.

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evilwhitemalempire January 2, 2012 at 23:43

Gestures of respect such as opening the door for a woman or giving up one’s seat on the bus for a woman reflect a positive attitude toward women’s feminine qualities within the interpersonal realm.

************************

Feminism doesn’t really hate that stuff.

Feminism is HYPERchivalry.

Feminists saying they hate that stuff is just a smokescreen to cover up all the real taking they do behind the scenes. A way to allay suspicions of what they’re really up to.

Where is the feminist’s contempt for male assistance in cases of rape or DV? (Indeed, a common mark of the feminist character is that they are only big and strong when confronted with the dire oppression of eunuchs and bookworms.)

Like a pool shark who throws a match for say 10$ so he can sucker someone into betting him 100$.
Think of all the real gains feminism has afforded females for the price of going without small favors.

We were all told that feminism was about females making it on their own precisely because the intention was to turn our pockets inside out and they didn’t want us to realize that!

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TheOrangeOne January 3, 2012 at 00:49

I for one personally dislike gender roles, as they impede on free will to self-determine who we want to be. If you are a woman born a woman, then you simply cannot be a man, save extreme modern methods if started early as a child, but even then they can never have the Y chromosome. However, it is simply a fact that our roles are the most efficient at survival and harmony in sexual partnerships. To force what is not natural usually ends in tragedy, just look at the story of David Reimerwhich.

This is what American feminism tried to do, forcing a process in trying to fool women into not being who they are. Regardless of whether females like being women or not, or like their roles or not, it is simply who they are. Obviously the same holds true for men, as feminism aims to target that natural role as a monster to be killed rather than accept the objective fact of reality that it is, good and bad, whether they like it or not. You either except who you are and do good with what you are given, or you become wicked, angry, depressed, and obsessive like the spoiled brat that is not given what they want and expects fulfillment without work.

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Human-Stupidity.com January 3, 2012 at 01:59

Great article. Latin and South American women are similar.

Even more so because they have NOT been raised in an egalitarian communist way. They enjoy flirting, being feminine and being treated differently.

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E January 3, 2012 at 03:28

nofem

If EE women have it so good in Europe why the hell are they coming here in the first place?!

They are not.

The “west” USA, Canada, Western Europe is in terminal decline. Give Eastern Europe 2 generations and it will economically surpass Western Europe.

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WGMOW January 3, 2012 at 03:33

@Dolores1982

You just don’t get it, do you. Like most of your ilk (whining, self-important, selfish attention whores) you base your arguments on only what happens to YOU, what YOU think. It’s all about YOU YOU YOU. Well, listen up bitch: it’s not about you, it’s about the millions of men whose lives have been made a living hell by females like you and your “sisters” in feminism. Even if what you say is true, it’s good to see a woman suffer for a change, although it doesn’t make up for the millions of men who have suffered the hell of one-sided divorce through no fault of their own.

Creatures like you make me ashamed that I’m female.

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oddsock January 3, 2012 at 03:55

WGMOW

Well said, hear hear.

Dolores1982, if her story is true, is simply a woman getting a taste of her own medicine. We are going to see a lot more Dolores1982 types as the world economy goes into a major reset.

Dolores1982. May you live in interesting times.

WGMOW
Happy new year

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Migu January 3, 2012 at 03:56

You speak as if everyone will some day get married Dolores.

When a man pops the question these days it goes like this.

Why are you still here?

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Zeren January 3, 2012 at 04:07

“feminism won’t die until the civilizations infected by it die.”

Women are women.
Some girls are not yet women.

As long as your only option is women you will get women, no matter how many collapses you go through.

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 04:11

“And the next time one of you takes his emotions into divorce or family court, the cadre of court professionals are waiting for you. Because you wouldn’t listen.”

@Doloress

I was realistic enough long ago about our anti-male society and not to marry and/or have kids with a feminist or any modern western woman type. Therefore, I won’t be one of those men facing the misandrist courts. You referred to “the cadre of court professionals”. They are more accurately described as “snakes”.

BTW, you also wrote: “I’ve seen your kind of rants before”

We’ve seen your kind before. Many times. On MRA sites and more so in our daily lives. Take a hike.

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 04:13

@WGMOW,

Thank you and happy new year.

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Art Vandelay January 3, 2012 at 04:41

The trouble is, you will never find a feminist on a sinking ship or last out of a burning building. They all appear to have a sudden memory loss.

There is a great Bill Burr bit about that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlR6CdJtRWM&feature=related

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Migu January 3, 2012 at 05:36

Daydreams of lordship?

Where is that strawman again?

Here is thing you should get use to. Men don’t care about women and their problems anymore.

Besides I think you ought to just woman up. It was your fault all those terrible things happened to you. Hopefully you learned how to be a better woman for it. Grab your vulva and quit whining. Be a real woman®

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oddsock January 3, 2012 at 05:56

Migu

Dolores1982 is very angry because she can’t get laid probably quite fugly and after three kids, has a very baggy snatch, I bet she is even a closet lesbian with the standard butch haircut and small tits.

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oddsock January 3, 2012 at 05:58

Migu

Makes you wonder what she done to drive away her husband so effectively.

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fondueguy January 3, 2012 at 06:00

” Men traditionally hold the social power, and women hold the sexual power. As it stands, women have all the cards –through entering the workplace…” Cooyms

Do you consider yourself an MRA? Because you’re openly saying that men have less value than women. How do men go “there own way” when, apparently, men need women more than the reverse?

Maybe to you women hold all the cards but I actually see potential in men.

For christs sakes its men who have voluntarily gone on all male voyages, signed up for military with little contact with women, devoted all their time to science devoid of women, gone to habbits, and all sorts of lifestyles that don’t include women. And you think men need women more than the reverse?!?

And seriously, can’t you find some value in men besides their wallet?

Men have a more positive attitude psychologically and they also work better in teams than women do. Have you seen reality tv shows dominated by women… And try and guess how many women would be happy without men in their lives? Men are also deemed more funny and in my experience they bring life to every gathering. And yes, MEN DO HAVE SEX APPEAL TOO.

I don’t think you could be more wrong or more subservient to just openly admit you have less value then women so that in effect your response is “I’m going to earn my value with women by paying for their stuff”. It’s essentially a refined form of pussy worship, and no wonder EE women want that…

I’m.not going to bother saying how we probably got into this mess in the first place but please don’t spread the idea that men need women more than the reverse or that traditionally women did not work. Real traditional men had wives that worked and the men looked for work ethic in a wife because they didn’t just worship this one aging vagina that “need not work because I have so little value”.

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Ray Manta January 3, 2012 at 06:01

Migu wrote:
Grab your vulva and quit whining. Be a real woman®

Love the trademark. But if being a real man means quit whining, doesn’t being a real woman mean complain about something until a man fixes it?
;-) . I’d really like to know what happens when Dolores cries and stomps her feet only to find out that no one is paying attention.

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fondueguy January 3, 2012 at 06:07

A marriage IS indeed a tradeoff, but it’s not a man work for woman’s sex. The man is giving up sex with young women, and a woman is giving up the alpha male.

The horrible delusion is men who forget this and think they are getting “lucky” because they devote themselves to one aging woman, so they will work for it… He would be acting like an alpha, as if HS had many concubines, but in reality HS only has one.

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Boxer January 3, 2012 at 06:30

Dolores:

I will never get married. I get all the women I want, right now, without going to the trouble of signing away everything I will ever make for one. Moreover, the male bureaucrats and government employees who collaborated with you in destroying your family had a vested interest in doing so. They got to liquidate everything you and your spouse made and take it for themselves. This is standard practice in the USA and Canada, and anyone who doesn’t know it can simply ask Welmer (our host here on the spearhead) to give them the lowdown of what is happening to him.

Now that that’s out of the way….

Shut up, whore; nobody gave you permission to speak.

Regards, Boxer

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 06:34

@Doloress the Troll,

We know your type of woman regardless of what you claim to be or not be, and how you self identify. I don’t need to fight women for jobs. Women are far louder and more frequent insulters of men, women, kids, society, life, etc than men are. Culturally more and more men see through women’s deceitful and manipulative insults, lies, and games. The misandry bubble will pop. When it does pop, modern women will shatter the once-good image they had for eons with men. We now see through you. Men are half the population, and the part that you really don’t want to upset. The courts will only work as long as they are funded and society stays upright still wobbling on its feet. What will it take to achieve your wetdream for a feminist dystopia? Do you really imagine it will happen?

Go back to sleeping under your bridge.

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Doc January 3, 2012 at 06:38

An excellent post on the way that women from other cultures perceive the present state of the US culture as it comes to male/female relations. As an older man, I have to say that I tend to agree with these foreign women, and at work, women are considered to be eunuchs with no acknowledgement of them being female – mostly because as President of a company, I HAVE to behave that way. In my personal life I open doors for women, as well as many other things – unless a woman objects, and I have had them do so – to which I immediately will let the door go, and let it slam into her. (Hopefully, such women will learn there are consequences to their actions – but I doubt it.)

This is probably why, over the years, I have come to prefer foreign women to US born women. Foreign born women are more feminine, and generally more accepting of being a woman, and comfortable in that role, just as I am comfortable being male and dominant in my life. The real kicker is that most American women long for being treated like women, they crave it, yet will rebuff it due to their training. So they are constantly unhappy and don’t understand why. You hear it again and again, since they refuse to acknowledge their own needs.

There are some women in the US who embrace their submissiveness, but they are few and far between, and often live closet lives, where by day they may be a professional, lawyer, doctor, etc., but at night they do not want to have to make any decisions. They only want to “take care of their man”, and they have to hide this part of themselves away like it is something to be ashamed of, rather than flaunted.

Unfortunately, I do not see this changing in my life-time, so I make it work to my advantage as much as possible. A lot of women take issue with that, but my job is to ensure my own happiness – American women have made their own sad lives so they are the only ones who can change things in their lives.

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 06:41

In the long run, what is less expensive and toll taking emotionally, financially, and physically on a man’s life; is it paying for a high-priced beautiful sensual classy escort a few times each month OR being married then divorced, buying a house that you will lose, kids that your ex-wife may turn against you, losing assets you build up over decades, spending most of your income on a wife’s vanities, and being forced into years or decades of alimony and child support? Choose.

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Boxer January 3, 2012 at 06:57

Dear Aharon:

Prostitution is de facto legal in Canada, and will likely be de jure legal there within the next year or so (it would be now, except for a high court decision which is on hold right now).

What this is going to mean is safe, easy sexual outlets for men throughout North America. Time with a hot, regulated-for-STDs woman in the 19-24 age range, for less than the price of a date with one of the entitled American or Canadian bitches, who probably have a much higher dick-count than the escort on hire.

Right now in Vancouver there are plans for a huge “men’s entertainment centre” which will have not only sex, but video games, health club and other amenities. The developers are waiting for the final word from the Supreme Court of Canada to begin construction.

http://www.torontolife.com/daily/informer/the-new-normal/2010/09/28/prostitution-in-canada-now-even-more-legal/

I was born too late, I tellya…

Boxer

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fondueguy January 3, 2012 at 06:58

‘They only want to “take care of the man”‘

I hope we all realize that men take care of women in exhaustive non monetary ways.

Who brings more emotional baggage for the other person to deal with, men or women?

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Charles Martel January 3, 2012 at 07:19

Boxer
I have noticed that you’ve been much more polite and tolerant since your gay lover and right wing “aryan brotherhood” pal (firepower) has been shitcanned

What is your problem? Your endless ad hominem attacks on Keyster are completely unwarranted as far as I can see. Your leftie political views are in the minority here yet are tolerated without comment by almost everyone. Feminism is the handmaiden of socialism. Feminism is communism with tits. Rabid environmentalism is the religion of feminism. You are on the wrong side of this argument.

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nugganu January 3, 2012 at 07:42

Canada is a country of unfettered prostitution. It really is quite incredible to behold. So many men, young and old alike are using escorts. There is a message review board for escorts in Eastern Canada that always has 1500+ users on it at any given time. You’d think in this environment, regular women looking for a man would make themselves more desirable, alas, Canadian women are generally uncouth, and fucked up in the head.

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oddsock January 3, 2012 at 07:53

nugganu

“Canadian women are generally uncouth, and fucked up in the head.”

Yer think so ? You should see the women in the UK mate.

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Avenger January 3, 2012 at 08:31

Robert writes, ‘Her opinion is (as is mine), 99% of the blame of a unwanted pregnancy lies at the foot of the woman.’

I would say that since females have a dozen methods of birth control, morning after pill, abortion pill and surgical abortion then yes, pregnancy is their fault.
You don’t see Russian girls getting knocked do you? If they accidently did get knocked up they’d take an abortion pill and likely not even tell the guy.
There may be cases of some unwed females in Russia getting knocked and having the kid but I don’t know of any.There are really no benefits there for unwed mothers and even if she got a court order to force the guy to pay he may have nothing or just ignore it and it would be hard to enforce.
Females don’t get knocked up in places where they can’t benefit.

And stop mentioning Russian females who want to come to the US because most have no desire to or do they like US culture. Only 1% of Russian females marry a foreigner and that includes men frm all ver the world and foreigners and businessmen living in Russia. The so called Russians in the US are almost entirely ethnic Jews from the former USSR who got asylum. Of course there was really no persecution of Jews in Russia and they just wanted more economically and I guess didn’t feel any real attachment to Russia. If there was any real discrimination you wouldn’t have 9 out of 10 of the top wealthy oligarchs being Jews or would you have them attending top Unis in Russia free of charge(and then using that free education elsewhere) Even top media people like Vladamir Posner in Russia are probably Jews.

Speaking of Posner who also worked in the US, in the 80′s before it was easy with modern communications he and Phil Donohue set up a TV link and each of them had audiences of females to talk to each other in Russia and the US.
The US females were pitiful(even though I bet Phil hand selected them) and typical dumb US females.
I remember that one of them asked a Russian female (many of them spoke English) why there were no black people in the audience there. I could see that the women were a bit dumbfounded by the question but one answered that they were in the north and no black people lived there and that they never imported any as slaves. Perfectly good answer but then the dumb US female says well what about the serfs?” It was really embarassing to watch these dumb US females.

Sex In The City: I’ve asked Russian girls if they’ve seen this and the ones who did just thought it was boring and stupid. One girl though said she liked watching it and when I asked her why she said it was funny. She must have thought it was a comedy about stupid women lol
There was a Russina version off Sex in the City about females and their problems (can’t remember the name) but it dealt with things like finding an apt. or taking care of an old mother or finding a man etc and not trivial party girl self indulgent type crap.

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Drifter January 3, 2012 at 08:32

@ oddsock January 2, 2012 at 13:39

Correct. To men young or old reading this: forget women and forget this society that has betrayed you.

There is no reasoning with them. They have hordes of manginas who will NEVER stop helping them.

So f*ck them and take care of youreslves. There is a f*cking shit BOMB coming to this country and most are oblivious of it.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/30-statistics-that-show-that-the-middle-class-is-dying-right-in-front-of-our-eyes-as-we-enter-2012

After SHTF women will just revamp and enhance their already elaborate subterfuge. After they unleash the waterworks and cries for help, I wonder how long until men voluntarily become slaves again?

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 08:51

Boxer,

I’m surprised that in a misandrist pro-feminist society such as Canada, prostitution is legal and a Men’s Entertainment Center may get the go-ahead to be built. Feminism does often seem to have a strong element or drive to control men’s sexual behavior from the bedroom to the boardroom. Maybe these days, many feminazis just think it’s funny to see men milked out their money.

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thehermit January 3, 2012 at 09:12

Interesting article.
As an eastern-european myself , i have to say there are good observations about us. I would not say our society is “patriarchial” in any way, whatever that term means. The whole patriarchy theory is bullshit i think. The better term is ” deeply conservative at heart” to describe eastern european people.
What is true, feminism is nearly non-existant here, yes it poisons us daily by media, but our society’s gender roles are strong- and i have to say- way way healthier than the american ones (at the moment).
But it is not a real problem: whatever the direction was, Us society liked to go too far, try everything possible, and then turn back and go on the right way. The MRM is the first step to the right direction.

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keyster January 3, 2012 at 09:14

“Your endless ad hominem attacks on Keyster are completely unwarranted as far as I can see.”

He’s principled only to the extent if someone poses a reasonable and rational argument to whatever he says, he disrespects, insults and ridicules them; because he lacks the stuff to respond in kind. Read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and you’ll understand.

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oddsock January 3, 2012 at 09:43

Thehermit

“US society liked to go too far, try everything possible, and then turn back and go on the right way..”

That’s what Churchil said; You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing,,, After they have tried everything else !

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Norm January 3, 2012 at 09:57

Getting married these days in the west is about as intelligent as buying Enron shares in 2000 or buying a Dodge Neon hoping it will be a collectors classic car in the future.

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PeterTheGreat January 3, 2012 at 10:11

Avenger@
“There may be cases of some unwed females in Russia getting knocked and having the kid but I don’t know of any.”

You should look on the Russian dating sites. They are all over it. Girls 18-23 are fairly common looking for a guy to be a husband and father for their kid.

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 10:16

Boxer,

No, our enemies are not ideologically or in any way pure. They are women. Ideology is for men to live by and die for, and for women to use as a manipulation tool so to benefit from men.

Women have become commodities by feminism and modern society. So have men. And the relationship concept that once joined them. People are going from being humans to drones pulling levers in the great machine. Ironically, many people believe themselves more liberated and individual than ever.

I have never hired a woman for sensual pleasures to the best of my recollection. Memory is just not the same, you know? I live within a few miles of the Washington border. I do need to take a trip through Washington to see the beauty of the state, and to buy fish and oysters at Pike Place Market in Seattle. I wonder how I went from discussing the hiring of a woman to wanting to buy sea food? Memory again.

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Enrico from Italy January 3, 2012 at 10:24

We must keep in mind that when an EE woman calls herself a “feminist,” she is not the same species as the frothing-at-the-mouth pit bull type we are familiar with here in the US. Rather, she is a milder, gentler breed with an entirely different set of priorities, and not really a feminist at all in the American sense of the word.
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It’s all about the money, money, money… they’ll change soon, you betcha

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thehermit January 3, 2012 at 10:49

@oddstock

Yes i know, and i find it very true… didn’t know his exact words, only in hungarian. But on the other side, America’s great strength is the ability to renew itself from time to time. It is very impressing….

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 10:59

“It’s all about the money, money, money… they’ll change soon, you betcha”

Very much possibly true. Let’s not forget the old expression: ‘diamonds are a girl’s best friend’.

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PeterTheGreat January 3, 2012 at 14:35

Avenger, I just did a search, as a follow-up to my post, for girls in Moscow age 16-22 who have kids on a dating site – 678 turned up.

These are the girls who will admit to it up front. I searched for Children: Yes, and lives with, lives apart.

If I expand the search to 16-25, I get 2096 hits; and 16-30 gets 7115.

So there are definitely a lot of single moms in Moscow.

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WGMOW January 3, 2012 at 15:23

@ oddsock and Aharon

And Happy New Year to you too, and MRAs everywhere.

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Avenger January 3, 2012 at 17:01

@Peter-do you realise that many girls there were maried at 20-21 and they had those kids when married? Many get married while still in University. Yes, divorce is common like in the west but you don’t have all of this nonsense with support and fathers visiting kids like in the US.
And btw, I’m not painting things there like it’s some sort of paradise for men but I assumed you know that. It’s just an entirely different system than the US, more like the US 30 years ago.

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Mirko January 3, 2012 at 17:03

They must have not ever heard of Gloria Stone-them, Andrea Iceborgkin, Betty Friankan-Stein and others. OY!

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PeterTheGreat January 3, 2012 at 17:16

@Avenger, I am in Russia a lot. Russian girls generally will contract a civil marriage around 19-21, more so than an official State marriage. The average length of a Russian marriage is only a couple of years.

They will generally NOT have a child until they are in their mid to late twenties and in an official marriage. If they can get one. But they are very demanding and materialistic, which is why the guys leave them. Although too many guys are mommy’s boys and don’t want to work, expecting the girl to support them.

I don’t know how recently you’ve been in Russia, but the legal situation is shifting all the time, becoming more feminist. No longer can the guy walk away without supporting the child. Male rights are being steadily whittled away. The woman can end the marriage when she wants, and the court will decide the welfare of the child. Sound familiar?

It is true that Russian men may or may not be interested in maintaining a relationship with their kids. It is also true that girls have a hard time convincing a guy to take them when they have kids, and many leave the kids with her parents (kids grandparents) to raise.

The situation is indeed complex and different from the West. But the girls are not traditional virgins. Most girls will cease to be virgins by their mid to late teens. Young girls get pregnant all the time by not using condoms. In fact, the major birthrate is from teenage girls who didn’t use condoms.

Of the girls I’ve known who’ve gotten pregnant, most have kept their child and not aborted them. Some have, however. Russia is becoming more religious in the Orthodox mold, and this (in addition to the Russian State’s propaganda) is encouraging girls to keep their babies for the good of Russia.

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Avenger January 3, 2012 at 17:35

Avenger, I just did a search, as a follow-up to my post, for girls in Moscow age 16-22 who have kids on a dating site – 678 turned up.

There are 10m people in Moscow and girls who join these dating sites are likely the most desparate ones. Not getting any benefits or supprt from the father. And btw, I have never kown even 1 single female with a kid and by single I mean never married. There are also other girls in Moscow who are not Russians and may have kids at an early age.
It would be like taking a statistic from NYC and saying there are x number of single girls with kids and drawing a generalisation. 99% of them may be from certain areas while you’ll find 0 from others.

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Avenger January 3, 2012 at 18:02

‘No longer can the guy walk away without supporting the child’

They are supposed to pay 1/3 of their income in support but my point was that there are no state benefits and the guy may have no money or just doesn’t pay and as far as I know the cops don’t come and arrest him for non support.

‘But the girls are not traditional virgins. Most girls will cease to be virgins by their mid to late teens. ‘

Who said they were. But they’re not any different in this respect to females in the west. In fact it would be abnormal if they had no interest in sex at 20. The age when a female loses her virginity is about the same worldwide regardless of the country and whether it’s a liberal one or conservative. In England, the average age that girls lose it is 16 but for men it’s 18 which means that there must be a lot of men at Uni who are still virgins.

? ????? ?????

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Aharon January 3, 2012 at 18:12

(Russian women)
“are very demanding and materialistic, which is why the guys leave them”

I read somewhere that during the Russian-Afghanistan War, many young Russian men could have gotten out of serving in the Army and being sent to fight in Afghanistan if he married. A young couple would often even be offered an apartment in or near Moscow. Supposedly, a large number of men still choose to serve in the Army and fight in an unpopular war primarily to get out of marrying a Russian woman.

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Charles Martel January 3, 2012 at 18:16

Boxer
You don’t know what “ad hominem” means, so I’ll clue you in. It’s latin for “against the man”. Everything I write, I can back up with references.

You’re a narcissistic troll, polluting every thread with your pottymouth crap. So this isn’t an ad hominem attack, eh? I have noticed that you’ve been much more polite and tolerant since your gay lover and right wing “aryan brotherhood” pal (firepower) has been shitcanned….

So back that up, troll. You stated that Keyster is gay and he and firepower are gay lovers. Show me your “references.”

And when you’re done, go suck Bill’s dick some more. Watching you suck up to Bill is highly amusing.

Boxer
Dear Bill:
Apologies and retractions for the “support” term. Poor choice of words. I assumed that if Keyster controlled the content or acted in an admin-type capacity here he’d have shut me down long ago.

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R4M January 3, 2012 at 18:41

Feminists are just another ‘mentally transformed’ group of ‘anti-authoritarians’ set loose on the evolutionary hierarchy of civilization for the benefit One particular ethnic group at the expense of all the others. Women are a known entity which is why calling a man a ‘woman’ or womanly will never lose the sting of a insult.

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Boxer January 3, 2012 at 21:51

Dear Aharon:

No, our enemies are not ideologically or in any way pure. They are women. Ideology is for men to live by and die for, and for women to use as a manipulation tool so to benefit from men.

I actually don’t see the men in charge as ideologues at all. Those at the top use feminism as a tool to appeal to certain population groups. Other population groups have different tools (Christianity/Judaism is one, patriotism is another). The people in charge are loyal only to themselves, and they’ll seek to hold onto power by whatever means expedient at the moment.

Women have become commodities by feminism and modern society. So have men. And the relationship concept that once joined them. People are going from being humans to drones pulling levers in the great machine. Ironically, many people believe themselves more liberated and individual than ever.

Right. The illusion of choice is necessary to keep the wheels turning. Unfortunately, it’s always a choice between Ford and Chevy, Republican and Democrat. Heads they win, tails we lose.

If you ever get up this way, lemme know. Maybe we’ll hit the Sum Yun Chik Oriental Health Spa. ;)

Regards, Boxer

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NameWithheld January 3, 2012 at 22:39

I can understand hiding comments with low ratings…but if we click to see them…why is it all grayed out? Obviously someone who clicks it wants to READ it.

Hard on the eyes.

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Zorro January 3, 2012 at 23:37

Perhaps the title shouldn’t say “Unnerving.”

Repulsive is a more appropriate term.

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empathologicalism January 5, 2012 at 09:58

Delores

Narcissistic?

Why these endless lists of “I did”, “I was” etc

Women seemingly cannot process anything except as it related exactly to their experience.
Do you think anyone here cares you bought 4 PC’s, or anyone thinks is the least bit relevant to the point?

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Venom Froggy January 5, 2012 at 12:08

@Robert Griffith:
“My wife is a Muslim. (as I am also a Muslim after converting from Christianity) ”
==========

Ever read “Why Men Hate Going to Church”?

You should, it’s the reason I don’t blame you for converting, even though I’m still a Christian myself.

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Ednie May 22, 2012 at 17:04

Hi, all!

I’ve been reading stuff here for a couple of hours and I believe that there are differences between feminism in EE countries and in America. I actually come from SE European country and I always believed (naively probably) that feminism was about gender equality. When I speak of equality I mean that men and women should be equal under same testing conditions or under law. For instance, if I apply for a job that requires physical strength and I contend with a guy that has less strength then me then I should get the job and if he can lift more (or something) he should get the job. I, of course, wouldn’t complain. However, if I speaks three languages and he speaks two (if that’s a job requirement), I should get the job.

Where I live I haven’t seen any non-working women by choice. We have a 20-something percent unemployment rate and nobody can afford not to work. A single man or a single women cannot survive independently (both are codependent). We have also lived in communism and what I don’t understand how come some of you think that “communism is feminism with titties” and on the other hand believe that women are actually less feminist in the East. I don’t have any student loans (college was free for majority of the students – a leftover from that “diabolic” communist times) but I still have less money than a working guy. You guys are indeed right in your opinion that American women will have to be less picky about their jobs, but you don’t understand that you are also going down with them simply because you can work in the grey economy when you’re young (males in my country refuse jobs with less paycheck that goes with health and retirement benefits – state governed of course – because they can always work illegally for more money; women have to work for any paycheck simply because they’re lucky they got hired by a boss who isn’t afraid of pregnancy leaves or sick leaves). That will only work as long as a guy can work on some illegal construction site or as a waiter, but a women can babysit (a perfect grey economy job) until she’s practically 70. You may not need women now, but as you get older you will.

However, even now, a single man cannot afford to buy an apartment (or rent one) – if he does he’ll spend 2/3 of an average paycheck on credit debt for 30 years, and he has to eat in that time frame. A woman has to as well. Because when shit hits the fan it will get to all, gender be damned. If you’re pissed now for having to pay divorce costs wait until you can’t divorce “the bitch” and you’re forced to stay with her for years. That’s why Dolores was saying that you don’t recognize the real threat – you believe that some sponsor girls (we call them that) who do not wish to work are the problem. I pity them because they’ll have a hell of a lot of time getting back to work after 10 or more years out of the field.

But, please, why do you nag about child support? Was everyone tricked into having children? If you were, I’ll not say another word – don’t give a penny to the woman – but you should provide for your offspring. And I don’t believe that a woman is more guilty for the pregnancy. Equality, remember? If it takes two to make a baby then two should suffer for it. Also, why do you trust anybody regardless of gender? If she says she took the pill be sure to wear a condom just in case (you have to worry about yourself more than the other partner worries about you). Of course, personally, I would never intentionally get pregnant with a partner who doesn’t want children (mostly because of the child, then me, then the partner – nothing highly ethical about it, just pure common sense).

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erica November 24, 2012 at 04:42

If it’s so great there to be a woman there why are there so many mail order brides willing to marry people they don’t even know get out of there. Good luck with that. My mother in law was from Poland and would be stunned After reading this. This is in no way represents all EE women. I have spoken to Bosnian woman that are so happy they don’t have to live somewhere where they are almost a third class. They are treated very poorly and domestic abuse is very high. I guess if you think it’s all about opening the door for someone and calling them miss or mam you truly are as antiquated as the land there.

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Anonim January 23, 2013 at 12:05

Interesting blog and interesting comments. I’m an EE woman, and my personal opinion is that it is absolutely not by accident that feminism became so radical in the West. I’m afraid that this awful tendency (that is men and women treat each other like enemies) will be soon normal in the East as well. And why? Because radical feminism has been engineered on purpose by a hidden power we cannot see.

I recommend you to watch an eye-opening interview with the director Aaron Russo on youtube. One of his friends was Nick Rockefeller, a rich and influential guy, who once explained to Mr. Russo why the Rockefellers founded the women’s lib. No, not because men and women are equal and stuff like that. But primarily because they wanted to weaken the society by dismantling the family unit! If you don’t live in a healthy, strong family where the members mutually love and respect each another, if you don’t have any mother/father/husband/wife, etc. on whom you can rely at any time, you are more vulnerable. An atomized society is easier to control than a strong community where the members care for each other. You know the saying, divide and rule!

Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJCTFZf03A

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Anonymous February 16, 2013 at 12:59

AS AN American. Born
Woman with an eastern European mother, American
Father… If men, and I mean all men.. Where like my father, there would be less unhappy. Women in the us

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Anony March 24, 2013 at 20:16

A strong man is not afraid of a strong woman. In my experience, the men who complain that women aren’t feminine enough are the ones who are not man enough for a real woman. Just sayin. People act as if women in the U.S. are being taught not to be feminine. They ignore the fact that for hundreds of years women have been taught to be MORE feminine. And for the record, strength takes the form of both feminine and masculine traits, and both genders would do well to have both traits. It would be nice if we could see person first, gender second.

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Bulgarian May 25, 2013 at 22:06

Funny how I came accross this and I am a Bulgarian, girl.
First, sorry to disappoint you but I think unwanted pregnancy is to be equally blamed on the man and woman. I think everybody has to take care of themselves and their body and to take full responsibility but I cannot excuse men who knock women up and then escape. A man is just as responsible as a woman when he engages in sex – he must be aware that she may become pregnant and he must take care of her if that happens. Every guy who has knocked up a woman and didn’t care after that is a jerk in my book and I wouldn’t even be friends with him if I know that is the case (even if the woman was a prostitute).
Now, the other stuff. Well, at school or at work I honestly never really felt any gender discrimination. I don’t say it doesn’t exist because it does but I can’t recall experiencing it. Actually, there are many female doctors, lawyers, accountants, managers, etc. and nobody finds it strange. There are many men who joke about having a female boss but female bosses are a common thing.
That said, many women do experience discrimination at home. Socialism made all the women work and the fact that it’s impossible to make a living if only the man is woking makes working moms the normal case. Honestly, I had never heard of stay-at-home moms until I was 16-17 and it sounded so strange to me that there are developed nations where women are housewives. This was so strange and alien to me and quite frankly, I am happy that my mom wasn’t at home all the time while I was a student so I had time to be alone (I’ve heard about some strange laws that a child under 12 shouldn’t be left unsupervised – wtf?? I’ve been home alone since the age of 7 and I consider it a normal thing). To me, it looked that a woman who doesn’t go to work is lazy. It just sounded like a crazy idea!! It is a normal thing to ask – what do your parents do for a living. Your mom and your dad. Both my grandmothers also had a job. I just want to emphasize how much it is normal in my country for the women to work and it is even expected. Also, the maternity leave is 2 years and it also looked to me as the right thing to do.
But as women entered workforce, this didn’t mean that the housework was taken off their shoulders! No way!!! Most older men never ever help their wife. So women go to work, work as much as men do and then come home where they work again but their husband is sitting on a couch doing his thing. Of course, most women are not happy about this and this was one of the reasons my parents used to argue all the time. Most Bulgarian men believe this is women’s job but also women should go to work and earn money. So, hm, not the perfect situation for a Bulgarian woman. There are many young men who do help their wives or girlfriends with chores but many are still old fashioned.
Also, Bulgarian women have a lot of sexual freedom. Nobody cares about virginity and it is a complete normal thing to have sexual experience before you settle down. Double standards do exist and they are awful of course but not as prevailing as in other countries. In Bulgaria nobody thinks twice about living together before/without marriage (at least young people). I have heard that in the USA it is still a contravertial thing. Many people don’t even find it necessary to get married when they decide to have kids and nobody ever finds it strange (maybe some people do but they are not many). Others get married when the girl gets pregnant and nobody finds a pregnant bride strange or shameful.
On the other hand, one nights stands are not common. They exist but are not prevalent. Most people get to know each other before they have sex (it doesn’t mean that sex on a first date is common but very often it develops in a relationship). I don’t know any woman whose lifestyle is to have one night stands whenever she likes, it may happen occasionally but usually it’s not common to sleep with a complete stranger just because you got drunk.
BTW, I had this happen to me once. I was an interepreter for a foreign man. You can say thta he was my boss. We were in the elevator and when it stopped he didn’t move and expected me to open the door first. That was a complete shock for me and that;s when I realized that Bulgarian men would always open the door for a lady even if they are her boss or whatever their relationship is. It is just expected and so normal that nobody thinks twice about it. Of course, there are ill-mannered men but they are considered ill-mannered by the society. I still think Western European men (especially French) are better gentlemen though, they don’t have the “Balkan macho syndrome”.
Wow, so long, well, I hope you can judge for yourself about feminism and gender roles in Bulgaria (maybe it’s different in other Eastern European countries, I don’t know).

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Eastern European October 21, 2013 at 23:40

This is a pile of crap. I’m a Eastern European woman and I can attest to you with no hesitations that women are NOT respected in the Eastern European societies! Respected at home? LOL What a joke! We HATE patriarchy and gender roles as much as the women in the West do. We are objectified by the men in our cultures, by the media, have no rights and no laws to protect us and are treated like crap by many. It’s common to get groped in public by strangers even as young as 11! As women, we mean nothing but sexual gratification for men and a personal servant/slave. A lot of our men don’t even know how to iron or cook or clean up because they expect us to do that. Very many of our men are also violent at home or at least emotionally abusive and act entitled over us. Rape is rampant and most of the women simply do not go forward because the police simply do not take us seriously. And also, men feel they can be violent with us, even if they don’t even know us (strangers) even in cases when they insult us and we respond back, like we’re supposed to take it from them and shut up. And they also feel entitled to comment on our looks and mock and diss us for not looking like they want us to. But again, I find American men to be very passive aggressive about their sexism, I don’t find them to be much better than Eastern European men. And I find it extremely irritating and disrespectful and low to see how much American men like to objectify us (as if we don’t get objectified enough by the men in our own culture) and like to come to Eastern Europe hoping to ”score” and then talk about us like we’re easy wh0res. I actually find American society to be VERY backwards too! I almost got raped in my first 3 weeks in America when I was 16, simply because I was nice and kind to the guy, he assumed I must have been easy and ”wanting it”. Feminism hasn’t worked in America, it only helped push the misogynism under the rug, but it is just as prevalent there as it is in Eastern Europe, so, stop patronizing us about women’s rights and how ”advanced” American society is in regards to equality. What a joke!

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Eastern European October 21, 2013 at 23:46

One more thing. Every Eastern European guy I know of who talked to some of my American male friends (yes, I have some of them who proved to be balanced and fair) adviced my friends to treat us EE women badly, to talk down on us and ”put us in our place” and to treat us like cheap wh=res. That’s Eastern Euro men for ya.

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Zsolt(HUN) November 21, 2013 at 12:39

to Eastern European
Seriously from what country are you from?
I think we Hungarians respect our women the most in the whole Globe.

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