Feminist Concerns With Male Self-Evaluation or Brothers Gonna Work It Out

by Demosthenes XXI on December 27, 2011

One of the major “hot-button” topics in the gender dialogs is how men are changing in the 21st Century or what some people refer to as “the New Masculinity.” This can be defined as an alternative or future set of male or masculine values in Western society that are meant to deviate or separate themselves from historical and/or traditional male or masculine values. The “old or traditional masculinity” is often defined by feminists as one that has been destructive and/or harmful toward modern society in general and women and children in particular. The one facet of this discussion that has been in particular focus is how men are rejecting the traditional gender roles and dropping out of the societal expectations that have “defined” masculinity.

As many people who follow MRA dialogs may have noticed, social discussions of gender roles and “so-called” masculine values are secondary to the mainstream MRA debates of legal inequality. However, it stands to reason that we take up that angle of discussion, especially because of the recent attacks against men based on many of us (especially our younger brothers) rejecting their traditional roles as family providers and even rejecting the concept of the traditional family. In light of the current economic and social changes in the western (US in particular) gender arena, the fate of the “New Masculinity” is of major interest to feminists of all stripes and if we wish to remain relevant in our own future, it should be of major interest to us as well.

When women began to reject their historical roles in the “traditional family,” it was lauded as a progressive step forward for women and equality. But when men began to do likewise, suddenly it is being framed as another way that men are hurting women. Feminism is touting itself as being the gatekeeper of gender re-examination for both sexes and quite a bit of evidence demonstrates that there is a significant opposition against men taking the same steps toward rediscovery that women did — especially without feminist supervision. You always read about feminists seeking to eliminate the gender roles that bind both men and women. You would probably expect that they would celebrate that men are seeking paths beyond traditional gender roles. But as the two articles show, that is anything but the case.

I posit that the above articles illustrate and typify a significant feminist viewpoint about men reexamining and redefining their idea of masculinity, as well as rejecting the traditional feminine expectations. And what these articles and others like them show is that feminists like Hymowitz, Marcotte, and others (including male feminists like Jackson Katz and Hugo Schwyzer) don’t like it one bit. And thus the true motivations of a significant number of feminists (second wave and beyond) are revealed. Their “feminism” was a movement meant to redefine the conventions of gender in favor of women. According to their feminism, the political and social changes that were being implemented were meant for women to better themselves.

However, the needs of men were not considered with those broadly-wrought changes in Western society and even now, male concerns and needs are an afterthought by those who continue to advance and maintain those changes. Furthermore, as these two and many, many, other similar articles by like-minded feminist thinkers suggest, the considerations and needs of men are still only second to the considerations and needs of women. But now that men are doing the same thing, it is a huge problem…for women. Like the women in the 70s, men do not want to become “family providers” or even engage in the act of creating families. Furthermore, they do not wish to embrace the historical roles that men have held in human society. They seek to look to their own interests and learn to enjoy life outside of the occupational “rat race” which has been the traditional direction of western men. But worse yet, those men who still choose to follow that traditional path have found more and more economic, legal, and social roadblocks preventing them from doing so. Despite the issues regarding the changes that men have lately experienced with economics, mental, physical, and social health, the primary motivation for these recent articles which examine these problems with men “dropping out” of society and becoming unemployed and uneducated, is how these issues affect women.

Still don’t believe me about feminists getting riled up when men start asking the “wrong questions?” Scoot on over to the Good Men Project and holler at founder, Tom Matlack. His former feminist “allies” have collectively like a wounded piranha because of a conversation he had with them (Marcotte, Harding, Ponzer, Schwyzer, among others…including the culturally irrelevant Rosanne Barr) regarding a simple question he asked: “Why can’t women accept men for who they really are? Is a good man more like a woman or more truly masculine?

This whole situation is telling of one truism: male feminist allies are welcome as long as they are useful and they know their place. Tom Matlack got a little too cozy with his so-called equity feminist friends, forgot himself, and the result has been an ugly mess over on the GMP. Matlack and his CEO, Lisa Hickey have been doing everything they can to try to salvage the incessant slamming that GMP has been getting by the feminist sphere. If they would listen to me, I would tell them to grab their collective cojones, weather the storm, and stand by their convictions. But I expect that they will do anything but….

More and more of the public perception of men is colored in a far less favorable light than in the past. Commercials show men as hopeless buffoons or cruel-hearted hecklers. Fewer and fewer “relationship movies” paint males in an equally elegant light as their female co-stars. However, some directors are breaking away from that stereotype and showing more realistic men. Men like Judd Apatow (who Ms Hymowicz also mentions in her above article), Greg Mottola, and Seth Rogen, have made a career of lampooning the “new masculinity.” But these movies make a point of showing their male foils moving past their personal flaws and at the same time, embracing their own maleness in a manner that eventually showcases in good faith the men that they truly are. In short, these filmmakers are using their movies to examine masculine values and viewpoints outside of feminist oversight and therefore, certain feminists (like the ones I mentioned) choose to take issue with these movies.

What this all reveals is that there is a problem within feminism with men trying to achieve awareness and transcend the historical limitations placed upon our gender. While there are feminists out there who probably do not agree with what is being done to men in their movement’s name, until they finally gain the courage to speak up and do something about their misandrist colleagues, they are equally complicit in this act of blatant marginalization.

However there is something else that all of this is saying: we are becoming effective enough to worry many of these feminists to the point where they are actively working to try to deter us from seeking our own enlightenment outside of the feminist paradigm. More and more men are seeking out their own paths to transcending the traditional bindings that have been placed upon us and that many of these feminists are trying to keep on us.

And finally we get to the title of this article. With the coming of the New Year, men need to find a way to sort out the mess that masculinity has become. And the first step is putting paid to the quaint notion that the answer to men’s rights is “more feminism.” That’s like saying the answer to lung cancer are more cigarettes. All of us as “brothers” need to work it out; we need to get ourselves together and solve the problems surrounding our gender. We need to seek out those people who are asking those questions and work with them to find the answers. We need to support each other as men and males. We need to be mentors to our boys, brothers to our fellow men of all creeds and colors, and most importantly, we need to be willing to embrace the newly emerging modes of masculine life. And more importantly, we need to do it before the feminists do it for us.

We can do this…as men and as brothers.

Like the song by the late Willie Hutch says: “Brothers gonna work it out! Brothers gonna work it out!”

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nugganu December 27, 2011 at 12:04

Okay, so basically, what’s good for the goose isn’t necessarily good for the gander.

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nugganu December 27, 2011 at 12:05

Okay, so basically, what’s good for the goose isn’t necessarily good for the gander. These femc*nts seriously need to go to hell. Someone needs to dig a giant outhouse, and feminists need to be frogged marched to it, dumped into the hole, and shat on for the rest of history.

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Carnivore December 27, 2011 at 12:19

“You always read about feminists seeking to eliminate the gender roles that bind both men and women. You would probably expect that they would celebrate that men are seeking paths beyond traditional gender roles. But as the two articles show, that is anything but the case.”

That might be what we read about and might be our expectations, but nothing could be further from the truth. The purpose of feminism was to destroy father-headed families and make women and children dependent on the government.

The actual expectation was for men to continue to work in overdrive to support society, civilization, government. But, in general, men only work in overdrive when they have families to support. Take that away (or put roadblocks in their way to achieving that goal) and they can go back to idle – single men need very little to survive on. So now, the powers that be have started with the shaming – the reason for the sudden appearance of all the “man-up” articles.

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Rocco December 27, 2011 at 12:30

I would like to post a well thought response later, but I just wanted to pointed out that the feminists anticipated this and that’s why the first move was to shame men into not talking with each other, things today like “bromance”, mansplaining and “mra’s are rape excuseres, and th use tort laws to limit the ability of men to congregate….we might just organize.

That’s how strong political strength of the internet is.

We’re organizing and I don’t care much about about “masculinity” an abstract concept, I’m thinking of how to assist men to improve their lives each day by joining together, sharing information and helping men to overcome fear of change.

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NWOslave December 27, 2011 at 12:35

There is no new masculinity or old masculinity. This is just another lame attempt at some pseudo nonsense to give feminism relevance. As if something is wrong with men where men need to be redefined.

Men are great exactly the way we are! Look around you. Everything, all great works of art, literature, music, invention, philosophy. Everything is built by man.

It isn’t man that needs redefining, it’s woman. They parade about like animals in heat. Their sole product in paperwork to meet a State imposed quota. Their sole contribution is talking. Their educational success is gender/literature/political/social sciences.

Men are great! Why would the invention and building of everything on the planet need to be redefined?

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oddsock December 27, 2011 at 12:45

Rocco

“We’re organizing and I don’t care much about about “masculinity” an abstract concept, I’m thinking of how to assist men to improve their lives each day by joining together, sharing information and helping men to overcome fear of change”

Hear feckin hear Rocco. Keep spreading the message guys. Chat as much as you can share info put forward suggestions for MGTOW or going ghost et al. The list is endless. Ignore the nay sayers that visit here. We are all doing a superb job.

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Coastal December 27, 2011 at 12:45

Whenever I hear talk of feminists demanding that guys ‘man up’ I’m reminded of the story published here about the traditionalist school in the Mid-West that got sued by a lesbian student demanding the right to take her girlfriend to the Prom and disregard the dress code.

She won, of course, and turned up to the Prom with both her girlfriend and the press pack in tow, strutted into the Prom… and found the whole room was empty. The other students had bailed on the Prom and held their own gig across town.

The point is that for all the rhetoric about revolution and the like, feminism is entirely parasitic on the evil old Patriarchy. Feminists demand the right to give the finger to the traditional social contract (no clumpy boots at the Prom) but still need the regular Joes to metaphorically get dressed up in a tux and serve as the patsy in their little psychodramas.

On a societal level, they need the regular guy to keep going out there, keeping the lights on and the water flowing, and paying half his salary in tax so the wimminz can keep hiring each other for government non-jobs. The more they crank up the Grrl Powah rhetoric, the more obvious it is that they can’t actually *achieve* much of anything.

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Zorro December 27, 2011 at 13:06

You misspelled Hymowitz once, and, correct me if I’m wrong, is Kay Hymowitz even a feminist? Hanna Rosin is a fembot; Hymowitz is a social conservative…and not likely a feminist. Still, maybe she is.

They’re all annoying bitches whose bilge is best avoided.

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Rapses December 27, 2011 at 13:10

The whole issue reminds me of an Indian fable which I would like to share with all.

When a farmer returned in the evening after working in the fields, his wife asked him that she wanted to have wild berries which grew in the nearby forest for dinner. The husband pleaded that it was dark and it would be dangerous to go to forest at this time. His wife was adamant. The poor henpecked husband had no choice but to go to the forest and bring cherries. He went to forest but never returned. Next morning the wife raised hue and cry in the village that her husband has disappeared.
Village elders came to her house to inquire about his disappearance. She told him the whole story.

Village elder: You must be really sad that he has not come back?
Wife: Yes, I had to eat my dinner without wild berries.

Moral: Even the slightest disappointment of a women is more important than the life or safety of a man.

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DCM December 27, 2011 at 13:44

“Carnivore December 27, 2011 at 12:19
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The actual expectation was for men to continue to work in overdrive to support society, civilization, government. But, in general, men only work in overdrive when they have families to support.
……..”

That is one of the major errors in feminist ideas.
They actually thought that they could change their behavior and that men would go right on behaving per mid 1950s expectations.

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b-nasty December 27, 2011 at 13:57

From the latest article:

“What’s there for men to do?”

As the man-child piece demonstrates, we’re doing it. It’s simple behavioral economics: people are motivated by reward, and to a lesser degree, removing punishment. At some point, ‘manning up’ must have been beneficial for men…though it is no longer. Thus, what we are ‘doing’ is exactly what maximizes our benefit, regardless of whether one (angry woman) considers it something that should/must be done.

I feel fortunate. Half a century ago, I’d be mired in a marriage with 2.5 kids. Currently, I’m able to read, study, work, and play with a freedom never seen by past generations’ men.

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Boxer December 27, 2011 at 14:00

These femc*nts seriously need to go to hell. Someone needs to dig a giant outhouse, and feminists need to be frogged marched to it, dumped into the hole, and shat on for the rest of history.

Krushchev led the way in dealing with a radical feminist insurgency in the USSR, during the 1960s. He arrested a few hundred ringleaders and they all got well publicised trials and long prison sentences. He described being amazed at how quickly these soviet bitches *shut the fuck up* in his memoir. Apparently he thought he was going to have a major subversive movement on his hands, but he learned what we know today. Women are creatures of the herd, and without a zillion other loudmouths, they haven’t the backbone to stand up on their own.

Interestingly, the minute Krushchev did this, all the other nascent feminist cunts in the rest of the second world quieted down as well. Cuban feminists, Vietnamese feminists, East German feminists all disappeared from their troublemaking *on their own*, which led many to believe that feminism is entirely funded by American intelligence, centrally directed and not an outgrowth of popular sentiment.

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YBM December 27, 2011 at 14:03

I feel fortunate. Half a century ago, I’d be mired in a marriage with 2.5 kids. Currently, I’m able to read, study, work, and play with a freedom never seen by past generations’ men.

Agreed. I do enough consulting work on the side to pay my expenses, all the indulgences (clothes, car, electronics) I want, and a handful of vacations around the word. All from the safe confines of my country ‘stead on the outskirts of town. If I want to pick up, I go into town and stay at a hotel room on the bar-row.

Would any of that be possible with the old way?

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MT459 December 27, 2011 at 14:15

The Hymowitz word man-child from the article really irks me the wrong way. She basically describes any single guy in his mid twenties who isn’t supporting a family as a man-child….what’s ironic is how there is no mention of the term woman-child, who seem to equal men in numbers. A woman who goes through her twenties unmarried and pursing her interests is a a “careerist” while a man in a similar situation in Hymowitz fantasy world is a man-child…huh?

I know plenty of single guys in their twenties who are working on good careers, who pay their taxes in full and have interests that can be described as high class. I also know many a twenty something women who slack through their boring day job, get drunk on the weekends and ride the carousel like a man typically would…this would seem to me to be the perfect example of the woman-child (yet there is not mention of here anywhere on the feminists radar). One of these lifestyles is considered progressive, while the other is considered embarrassing by the MSM. I’ll let you guess which is which.

What many feminists seem to not understand is that modern women in the western world have nothing of value to offer either. This generation of male millenials (I hate that term) have their fathers, uncles and prominent male figures get taken to the cleaners in divorce court and have seen men who have been cuckholded ridiculed relentlessly. Many young men are distrusting of young women and most don’t enter into long term relationships not out of a “fear of commitment” but out of what seems to be a lack of trust in women. Look around at our culture…can you really blame them?

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Innocent Bystander December 27, 2011 at 14:17

A man needs feminism like a person with lung cancer needs a pack of cigarettes.

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MT459 December 27, 2011 at 14:23

Ironically, I believe most men would be fine with traditional gender/provider role, it just isn’t worth it anymore in our society. It’s a risk/reward thing and the risk of being divorced and paying alimony/child support is much greater than the benefits of being a father and having your family line and name carried out with a loving, supportive wife.

Nowadays, being a father is pretty unfulfilling it would seem. In a lot of instances you’re just a paycheck and the butt of jokes for your wife, extended family and kids. Have you guys seen the way modern girs/teenagers talk to their fathers? It’s disturbing how little respect many middle/upper class girls have for daddy. What’s dad to do either? If he yells or disciplines the little princess too much he faces scorn from the wife and is potentially verbally/emotionally abusive in the eyes of the court.

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Joe Zamboni December 27, 2011 at 14:28

Thank you brother Demosthenes. I wholeheartedly agree that each one of us men needs to run his own personal process of emancipation, needs to do his own personal work. This personal process can be greatly accelerated by the words of other men (many thanks to Mr. Price). But ultimately it is up to each one of us.

What hasn’t gotten much attention in the comment stream so far is the fact that most of us men have been indoctrinated to prioritize the opinions of women (mother, female baby sitters, female teachers, girlfriends, wives, ex-wives, etc.) above our own. Why else would we go off to war and die? Why else would we put up with financial enslavement as currently mandated by divorce courts?

As men, our self worth, at least in the USA, is supposedly a function of what women think of us. We need to tear down this old and dysfunctional structure. We need to declare, each one of us, that we personally, and we alone, determine who we are, and what our life is about. We will not be bothered by bullshit exhortations like “man-up,” nor do we give a damn whether women (feminist or otherwise) like it or not.

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keyster December 27, 2011 at 14:56

I state this as metaphor, not to prosthelytize.

A friend asked me the other day, “How did things get so polarized in this country in the last decade?”. And I pointed out to him that the political left (and it’s devoted sisterhood feminism) owned the media (except for Talk Radio), including all newpapers and TV news up until the advent of both Fox News and the internet. Suddenly there were dissenting opinions, where none had existed; the “Silent Majority” was given a voice. And voilà, we have news and analysis from a conservative angle we would have never otherwise been exposed to. “You mean to tell me the news I’d been reading and watching all those years was presented with a liberal bias? No Way!”

The broad connectivity of the internet is a miracle for men who are concerned about men. There’s no way the feminist controlled media (including Fox News, although they took a shot with Rudov), would ever allow these open and honest discussions about women and the state of men. This site and others have become an oasis from the feminist propaganda machine, and it’s a force they can’t control and it’s driving them bat sh*t crazy. This is our uncensored, unashamed, global, Talk Radio. Use it wisely. Spread the word.

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MRA December 27, 2011 at 14:57

For feminists is being a “bad” men means do what Matlack did, stand and say “hey because i’m a man does’t mean all bad things happen in the world are my fault” and that my fellows is against feminist utopia, for feminist men have to accept their inferiority and feel guilty for being man and everything bad in the history of humanity.

Men not working for women’s lifestyle, just for themselves create a bottleneck in the feminist’s monopoly, after they poisoned women during the second wave thanks to the Gov they tried the same with men, the third wave is very concern about redefine masculinity >>>within feminist view<<< anything outside is, "bad", but at the same time trying to shame these in their own way (like the link to the child-man article) using words like "manboys" etc, because men are looking OUTSIDE of feminist's view and they don't like that, but they were the first to point the finger to anyone who judge a woman for her decision and yelling "trying to control her".

Huh, how many women hate when a men judge her? but they think they have the right to do it to us.

About the directors thing, feminist have their pointer finger toward Christopher Nolan (Director and writer of Batman Begin, The Dark Knight,Inception and the coming Dark Knight Rise) because he adds just a few females character and are very small withing the history and usually kill them but !surprise! TDK and Inception have the highest grossing since Superman 1978, Warner Bros is begging to Nolan keep making movies, and actuality is the the best men Hollywood has, it is amazing what happen when a director don't make a movie about a powerful, skinny and lethal female who take 3 and up to 5 men at the same time without messing her hair.

You see how bad are Resident Evil movies? the movies are based on the video game but the main character is a female who DON'T exist in the game, just to see how the "you go girl" go crazy.

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aussieguy December 27, 2011 at 15:04

Coastal said…

The point is that for all the rhetoric about revolution and the like, feminism is entirely parasitic on the evil old Patriarchy. Feminists demand the right to give the finger to the traditional social contract (no clumpy boots at the Prom) but still need the regular Joes to metaphorically get dressed up in a tux and serve as the patsy in their little psychodramas.

Demand. That’s pretty much the single word that describes feminism…
* I demand you put more females in education by modifying the teaching processes to suit female learning.
* I demand you turn the country from manufacturing-based to services-based in order to provide women jobs after their education.
* I demand that you pay women equally, regardless if they aren’t even suited for the role or position.
* I demand a gender quota policy for any industry that is male dominated.
* I demand women have the choice not to have a family.
* I demand men “Man Up!” and marry.
* I demand to have reproductive control of my body.
* I demand to still blame men for getting pregnant.
* I demand laws to protect women based on some cooky theory that women are innocent, pure, and can do no wrong.
* I demand newer and broader definition of rape laws.
* I demand to “go dutch” on dates.
* I demand men pay for dates.
* I demand to wear whatever I want.
* I demand to not be called a slut.
* I demand to behave any way I please.
* I demand the right to speak.
* I demand all men be changed to appease all women.
* I demand…

All this is doing is turning women into spoiled children that no man wants to be with or marry…Exploiting special privileges they never worked for. If one continues to act in an accomodating behaviour (chivalry), they will just keep taking. ie: Give them an inch, they will take a mile. (Guys like from the “Good Men Project” haven’t quite realised this.)

Its also emasculating young boys. They wonder why listening to that feminist BS on how to treat women doesn’t get them a woman! As women go for the bad boys when they’re young. They then go for the “Nice Guys” once they’ve passed their prime and still want kids. (Better to find a dependenable male to breed with, and bang a bad boy on the side or after the divorce.)

I’ve learned one thing about feminism. Don’t listen to them. They’re full of crap. Their advice, propaganda, suggestions are based on ignorance. They don’t listen to regular men or women. They don’t know how the real world works. They don’t care for the natural flow of Nature. That’s pretty obvious by the number of women who have blindly followed feminist ideas, and ignored their biological clock until late in the game! All they care about is their ideals…And its messing up Western societies like the UK and USA. eg: Brazil has surpassed UK in prosperity this year! China is already at the top of the prosperity charts…And there’s only one direction USA is going if it doesn’t change. Downwards. (USA is in serious need of some no-BS political leadership that puts it foot down. Otherwise, its doomed.)

One must admit though, feminism has one positive aspect:
=> It has revealed the true nature of women to the modern man.

* The first thing a woman thinks about when it comes to marriage is a man’s money. ie: Women are sex objects. Men are money objects…They will tolerate a man who can’t get her aroused, as long as it satisfies her need to have children. When the time is right, (10 yrs to ensure alimony payments?), they’ll file for divorce and try to resume that previous lifestyle with a new boyfriend, while ex-husband funds it all like a chump.

* Women have this intolerable behaviour of providing endless excuses to justify their behaviour or actions. (Isn’t this like a child who lies in order to test how far they can get a away with from a parent?)

…Go onto Youtube and listen to recordings of Tom Leykis. The majority of women who call into his show is quite scary. Especially when coming from outside of USA. (I’m an Australian male). Very few American women are worth spending time with. I now see how bad it really is for your typical American male. He is literally being smashed in all sorts of directions by the media, legal system, social system, etc. You should do this, you should do that…FFS, leave him alone and let him be!

Its no wonder he has gone and seek refuge in other activities that don’t align with the societal norms! He is being nagged to the point of running away! I can understand why he’ll choose to leave the country and seek foreign women! …Heck, I would do the same thing if I was in the same shoes! Just GTFO of the USA. Maybe head towards Russia, China, Philippines, etc. (Where feminism has no influence on Govt matters.)

Men are like dogs. We’re loyal and we think about sex…But how many times can you kick a dog before he bites back or runs away to a better owner?

Have women thought about that? I seriously doubt it…Heck, they won’t even acknowledge it. You can tell when they come up with another article of nonsense to explain things. They know what the problem is, they just refuse to accept the truth and are willing to tolerate the consequences until it becomes a serious problem. (When was the last time you saw a woman actually solve a problem? You’ll find the majority cannot.)

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Demosthenes XXI December 27, 2011 at 15:07

@Joe Zamboni:

My point exactly. There are so many feminist-based groups out there that are invested in re-shaping men to fit their own designs. And this stuff starts even with our young men. Groups like “Men Can Stop Rape” are out there using the “rape culture” fallacy as an avenue to mold those young minds and turn these young men into “good little feminist drones;” each one ready to go out and serve a “queen bee” unto death.

We’ve got to become the mentors and role models for our young men and show them that it is still alright for men to seek their own destiny and fortune, based upon their own dreams and hopes. All of this talk about “duty and responsibilities” only comes up when it is in reference to men and when a man has to give up his dreams to become “a family man.”

This is something that has to change and only men like us can change it.

keyster December 27, 2011 at 15:24

“Krushchev led the way in dealing with a radical feminist insurgency in the USSR, during the 1960s. He arrested a few hundred ringleaders and they all got well publicised trials and long prison sentences. He described being amazed at how quickly these soviet bitches *shut the fuck up* in his memoir.”

You really need to get your head out of the Gulag friend.
No such thing ever happened, although it would have been one of his better moves.

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Jim December 27, 2011 at 15:34

I don’t think masculinity is a mess… I think everthing else in society is irreversibly damaged, but not masculinity.

When things go to hell in a handbasket, who will step in and rebuild? I know the answer and so do you.

The fire rises.

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Boxer December 27, 2011 at 15:51

When things go to hell in a handbasket, who will step in and rebuild? I know the answer and so do you.

Most of us can do this now. Build an inner social circle with a broad and varied skill set. Get a decent (but not too flashy) house or apartment and decorate it to your own tastes. Pay your taxes and keep your lawn mowed and you will largely be left alone. Rebuild wider society? For what? Call your house “the autonomous masculist republic of Jim” if you want. Don’t let any of your bitches move in and you’ll stay in charge of it until death. Indulge in your own hobbies and study things that interest you in your spare time. Live well.

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Aharon December 27, 2011 at 15:52

Demosthenes XXI,

That was a great piece and very enjoyable to read.

“we are becoming effective enough to worry many of these feminists to the point where they are actively working to try to deter us from seeking our own enlightenment outside of the feminist paradigm”

— It is amusing to watch the feminazis starting to run around with their panties all bunched up or is it better expressed their jock-straps all twisted? Short of getting their government allies to pass some new extremist misandry legislation and cranking up their hate-machine even more I wonder what steps they might take. The feminist propaganda is starting to lose its effect on most people. What people see and experience in their own lives are usually different than the rants of the feminist priests. Trying to suppress the oppressed even more can backfire and cause an ideology to spread even quicker.

“we need to be willing to embrace the newly emerging modes of masculine life. And more importantly, we need to do it before the feminists do it for us”

— Feminists have access to better disseminating their propaganda and values massively through schools, mass media, religious centers, government leaders, etc. Yet, after all these years and some success, their messages and claims are having less impact on people. MRAs have word of mouth contact to spread the word and the Internet which is today’s Gutenberg Printing Press. Our message is new and can use the 45+ years of modern feminism’s so-called ‘success’ and destructive impact on men, women, and children, and society to define our case. Guys are usually not big on letting others defining something for them such as embracing a new form of masculinity to them. Sure, many of the younger guys are kinda feminized. It’s gross and I’ve interacted with some of those guys the past year. Once they are out of school, many of them start to wake up.

Me, I’m into the new masculinity, my way. I’m ghosting, MGTOW, and doing all that I can to behave with less and less chivalry. I’m refusing to be a provider and protector. No b**tch is going to get my sperm. Oh, and I go out of my way to speak with all men and to help them to see modern society as the misandry cesspool that it is.

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Demosthenes XXI December 27, 2011 at 16:03

@Jim

The reason that I say that masculinity is in crisis is simple. Look at our young men and see what they are going through. Look at our adults and see what they are going through. Mainstream society is attacking the average man where he lives; his home, his job, his pastimes…even his sense of self-worth are under siege.

The only way that we are going to get through this is as brothers united. White men, black men, Hispanic men, and all other men are going to have to come together as a whole and heal ourselves…as men.

Demosthenes XXI December 27, 2011 at 16:06

@Aharon

Your destiny is your choice. Your dreams are yours alone to pursue and society should not dictate whether you should pursue them or not.

As a man and a human being, you have the right and mandate to live your life as you see fit, as long as it does no harm to anyone else. The fact that these feminist thinkers are attempting to equate freedom of male choice to harming women is a sign that they are genuinely worried.

Uncle Elmer December 27, 2011 at 16:27

Great essay Demosthenes XXI! And thanks for linking to that swell New York Times “They Call It the Reverse Gender Gap” piece.

I was at a “power lunch” today at a restaurant across the street from a military hospital. Tough gals in hair buns and camouflaged ensembles swaggered about imperiously, and right next to me sat a lady “major” with her stay-at-home husband and kids in attendance, thus confirming the Times essay observations.

Some other ideas from that essay left me a little unsettled. Call it “reverse micro-aggression” :

“some young women…will jump on planes for “dating excursions” to where the male market is more promising”

then later :

“Japanese and South Korean men are importing brides from poorer Asian countries with traditional attitudes about marriage.”

OK, so when they do it, it’s called a “dating excursion” but when we do it, it’s called “sex-tourism” or “bride-buying”.

Then, there’s this :

“Increasingly, if by no means yet the majority, women bring home the bacon while husbands or male partners take care of an ever greater share of the domestic front. ”

Some forty years ago “Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex” (the book, not the movie) described how wives could not wait for their husbands to leave in the morning so they could get in the bathtub, light up a cig, and turn the faucet on their twat full blast until they achieved a hyperventilating climax.

Now we have a full reversal, with stay-at-home husbands packing their wives off to Encorpera so they can jack off to internet porn, later maybe join their “bros” for a “spleef” and some hoops, then pick up some Insta-Food before she comes home from the office.

All right, fine, but it’s the “reverse gender gap” language that is disturbing. Feminists, having fought so hard to end phallic language constructs that demean women and relegate them to second-class citizenship status, willfully employ insidious terms like “gap” to shame and intimidate men. If we are going to move forward as a gender-neutral and co-equal society, we have to be ever vigilant against the creeping tide of fishy terms that imply female superiority over men merely because they have a vagina.

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Eric December 27, 2011 at 16:37

The best way to deal with feminised women in the Anglosphere is to ignore them and marginalize them; just like they’ve been doing to us for two generations now. I don’t need these bitches to define masculinity for me when they can’t even figure out how to be feminine themselves!

Metrosexuals, thugs, louts, losers—-those have been the various incarnations of ‘new masculnity’ since I can remember. It shows about what women do with ‘all the power in relationships’ LOL

MGTOW, pursue foreign/traditional women or choose even third way if you find that appealing: but leave the Anglo/Amerobitches to the kinds of cretins they both desire and deserve.

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Anonymous December 27, 2011 at 16:42

Let me get this straight. Feminists force their own male children to play with dolls and wear dresses, and then complain when other people’s male children grow up and try to be something different from what men normally are? The blatant hypocrisy offends my senses.

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Charles Martel December 27, 2011 at 16:47

DCM
That is one of the major errors in feminist ideas.
They actually thought that they could change their behavior and that men would go right on behaving per mid 1950s expectations.

This.

It feels to me that we’re at the turning point right now. The flywheel of male chivalry has about run down. Took a while but all young men have now got the memo.

I think about what my father told me about the reality of women and marriage (nothing) versus what my son has heard from me. The real bell-ringer is how married women remain interested in sex – just not with their husbands.

The decline in the marriage rate is accelerating. When I got married the marriage rate was 55 (per 1,000 unmarried women age 15 and older). In 2010 it was 34.9. By the time my son is 30 it will be 16.

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Aharon December 27, 2011 at 16:56

“we have to be ever vigilant against the creeping tide of fishy terms that imply female superiority over men merely because they have a vagina”

creeping tide
fishy terms
vagina

hhmmm, now I remember why I don’t miss giving women oral sex.

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Aharon December 27, 2011 at 17:03

“The fact that these feminist thinkers are attempting to equate freedom of male choice to harming women is a sign that they are genuinely worried”.

@Demosthenes XXI,

I think at this point such behavior and criticism at men will only resonate with other feminists, manginas, and white knights. Moderate women will recognize that yes male choice doesn’t usually help them in most cases yet I believe (hope?) most women will see though the feminist behavior as childish especially after what feminists have been preaching and doing for decades. Male choice is following female choice, and we all know who started it in the modern era.

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tom47 December 27, 2011 at 17:12

Been gone for awhile and this is what I come back to!
Great, great, great!
Great article, great comments.! This is why I love this place!
Men are finally deciding to define themselves, and it’s driving everybody crazy.
We won’t “man up”, we won’t defend the Kingdom and support the Fair maiden. We won’t be used, and we won’t be defined by our utility to others, and it’s driving them crazy!
Great, great, great!!!
Thank you Bill, thank you!

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Bill December 27, 2011 at 17:14

NWOslave said:
“Men are great exactly the way we are! Look around you. Everything, all great works of art, literature, music, invention, philosophy. Everything is built by man.”

Well said! However, I’m wondering how much of this male achievement was motivated by the rewards of the patriarchal system (that is, a faithful wife, home and family). Rewards which feminism explicitly denies to men.

Are we going to stagnate technologically and culturally as a result of so many young men choosing to work just enough and then enjoy themselves? I certainly don’t blame young men for rejecting the entire system of modern marriage – gender battles – divorce – alimony slavery. I’m just wondering.

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Boxer December 27, 2011 at 17:18

Moderate women will recognize that yes male choice doesn’t usually help them in most cases yet I believe (hope?) most women will see though the feminist behavior as childish especially after what feminists have been preaching and doing for decades.

Have you ever talked to random women? I’m guessing the answer is no, and I’d highly recommend it, simply for the entertainment value.

Most women (not all, but the vast majority) have absolutely *no* concept of cause and effect. It’s astounding to explore this aspect of human cognitive ability, only because we (men) and they are so utterly different. It’s like they were somehow born without the part of their brains that governs long term planning, delaying gratification and strategic thought. It’s not enough to call them “stupid” or “retarded” in this regard. They are totally absent in this capacity.

This applies equally to otherwise very intelligent women. I work in academia, and rub shoulders with numerous women who are more intelligent in other ways than I (and everyone else reading this message board) are, yet in this aspect of their mental makeup they are also totally lacking.

A very few women might have a clue, but it won’t approach the “most women” you hope for. The funny thing is, the more closely you understand them, the less you hate them. Hating women is like hating an alley cat for doing its alley cat stuff. The female of our species was created to be a fast, smooth talker and a cunning manipulator, and in many cases they can be very intelligent, but they do not have the capacity for forward, analytical thought that men have.

There’s a flip side to this. Most men (again, not all but most) do not have the capacity to read and respond to emotional and social cues that women do, and to about the same degree, but that’s the topic of another response.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous age 69 December 27, 2011 at 17:23

>>. But when men began to do likewise, suddenly it is being framed as another way that men are hurting women.

The entire feminist movement depends upon a very large transfer of money from men to dearies. It never occurred to them that men would not always be there, billfold in hand, ready to give their entire paycheck to a dearie.

It is like an electric door in a supermarket. People are so used to that door opening, that if it breaks, they smash their noses on the door. “$#%^ door!”

Dearies are so used to men turning over that paycheck for absolutely nothing in return, they simply don’t know how to function when men won’t do it. It is totally beyond their ability to comprehend.

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Nico December 27, 2011 at 17:50

I don’t believe in the blank slate. I believe in the sexual market.

Sexual market has evolved? Men will adapt.

Sexual market doesn’t reward beta providers as it used to? Betas won’t provide as they used to either.

Trying to shame them into buying ageing sluts at the highest price is just pointless.

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Jaego Scorzne December 27, 2011 at 17:56

Women don’t own the Media – Jews do. Women are just their Gentile “Front Men”. Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Jews – they all want to silence White Men. We mustn’t let them. There is no United States or Western Culture without us.

I was rooting for that Black Guy behind the counter at McDonald’s too. But to pretend that any significant percentage of Black Men are going to embrace us as Brothers is like imagining they’re going to join the Tea Party – ludicrous. And good luck to the Japanese Grass Boys too. But no one is more ethnocentric than the Japanese. White Men give themselves away so easily and imagine that others do too. Take the skills you have gained observing and analyzing women and turn them to other ethnes and you will See.

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Aharon December 27, 2011 at 18:11

“Have you ever talked to random women? I’m guessing the answer is no, and I’d highly recommend it, simply for the entertainment value”.

@Boxer,

Actually, to a degree I have spoken with random women. Yes, I agree it is entertaining until it gets irritating. ‘Some’ of those 40+ in years get it or are starting to get it to some degree. Sometimes. A few…. I avoid discussing gender politics with women, like they have the worst case of an STD that can spread airborne, who are in academia or in the mass medusa err mass media. Many random (and yes I agree most) women don’t get it being much like the self-absorbed and emotionally undeveloped infant in its crib that cannot imagine the ongoing existence of its parent when the adult steps away from the crib.

You’re right most women that consider the subject or issue have no concept of cause and effect. Most women are too greedy and consider men the sex that is disposable and the sex that should bear the burden of sacrifice to benefit women.

I agree with your response to me and appreciate it. I think what I was trying to articulate earlier is that more and more moderate women will begin to be more critical and suspicious of feminism, and perhaps — in an overall manner — less robotic in agreeing with the polarized world view of misandrists.

Most women will begin to have more empathy and sympathy for men’s situation only after they feel the painful results of misandry coming back full circle to negatively affect the quality of their own lives and happiness.

The future will tell.

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Aharon December 27, 2011 at 18:26

“Women don’t own the Media – Jews do.”

So Jews own The Spearhead? OMG, I didn’t know this site was part of the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

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HereIsAManWhoStoodUp December 27, 2011 at 18:27

I remember a report I saw on the evening news a few years ago regarding the high number of unemployed men. The story did not revolve around the hardships experienced by the unemployed men. The entire piece was about how women were having a hard time finding dates with men because so many men were unemployed. This news story opened my eyes as to how society viewed the problems faced by men.

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freebird December 27, 2011 at 18:34

If the kitten didn’t want me,I don’t want the cat!

Not to mention she points a finger and you go away,minus your assets.

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Robert K December 27, 2011 at 19:02

My response to all (and there are many) whinges of feminists is as follows…..”Tough shit. You wrought social change out of your own selfishness. Now wear the results”. What is good for the goose is definitely good for the gander. It is so typical of feminists to hypocritically demand women can redefine the role of women yet men can’t redefine the role of men. I have one thing to say to anyone who is stupid and dishonest enough to espouse such hypocracy – “F*** you and the horse you rode in on”.

I have redifined my masculinity to suit my wants and needs and no woman (or women) are needed. I do the job I want, live where I want and do all the activities I want. I know this pisses off woman who realise I have a better life without them than I could ever have with them.

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Boxer December 27, 2011 at 19:06

Dear Aharon:

This is really interesting. Thanks for the response.

I like talking to feminists. Get them alone and start their hamster wheels spinning and see what I mean. The answer I got from one feminist (who is otherwise quite cool and insanely smart) when I asked her what she was going to do when Islam started taking root in her town, was to answer that “Oh, North American men wouldn’t let us be burqad up — they love our beauty too much”.

Aside from being a generally amiable person and a very intelligent one, this particular chick is also around 200 kilos… literally one of the fattest women I know (and I live in the USA – homeland of beastly fat pig women). She doesn’t turn any heads, and the men she relies on would be glad to have her under a sheet. This chick can do all sorts of wild, abstract calculations in her head, but can’t fathom that declining birthrates and immigration from the dar-al-Islam will have a long term impact on *her*. Her last accomplishment was going to Seattle and participating in one of those slut walk thingies. lol

What I think will likely happen is a slow collapse into a sort of third-world state, with a patrician/plebian class system emerging a few generations later. Kids with fathers will become the lords of the society, and matriarchal kids will become their slaves. Happened in Rome… Women will be unhappy, but will not be able to figure out how to fix the social trend. Too many of them are like my friend above, and too few like Queen Victoria, and that’s just the way nature made them. Of course I could be wrong… we’ll see. :)

Regards, Boxer

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TFH December 27, 2011 at 19:08

I cannot say this enough :

Democracy has a life-cycle, after which it devolves into a feminist police state. There is no other outcome possible after 90+ years of women voting.

Why?

Because men vote for what benefits all people, whereas women vote for only what appears to benefit women. This results in the bottom 90% of men becoming second class citizens.

Of course, no society that turns its productive citizens into second-classers, can last very long. Manginas and whiteknights alone cannot generate all the needed output.

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TFH December 27, 2011 at 19:13

DCM,

They actually thought that they could change their behavior and that men would go right on behaving per mid 1950s expectations.

Since when have women had the ability to grasp cause and effect?

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Robert K December 27, 2011 at 19:22

aussieguy said:
“(When was the last time you saw a woman actually solve a problem? You’ll find the majority cannot.)”

Women don’t solve problems. They cause them.

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Aharon December 27, 2011 at 20:03

Boxer,

I think there are many American women that American men would prefer to burqad up for their obese figures and even more obese whining mouths. Perhaps we can customize the burqad in America to include a dog muzzle. An MRA recently commented that only feminist mathematics can result in claiming women are by passing men in degrees and in careers yet continue to whine that women earn only 77 cents to the dollar that men do.

Islam in Europe is only a few generations away from matching the post Christian populations in several nations. In America, let’s look at it a bit differently for a moment than just birth rates. Feminism along with its allies has been very effective the past 45+ years in decimating the nuclear family along with traditional American values and ethics, and loyalty to church and synagogue. Most religious institutions are failing men in America, BTW, it is rubbish that women are more spiritual. Men leave liberal places of worship because they can’t relate to the female-value emphasis. Western men have been encountering all sorts of misandry from many sources.

In America, Islam will still be in the minority in the next twenty-five years. Meantime, American men have been living – for generations – in a post Judeo-Christian modern American misandrist society that for the most part sold men out. Islam comes along and teaches Sharia Law will not discriminate against men, and that men are respected in Islam, etc. Bingo. (BTW, I’m not trying to express that moderate Islam is disrespectful or brutal to women.) I can see American men in the future becoming increasingly interested in Islam. I can also see new pro Men’s religions being created and taking hold. I see them mostly as manly without the provider/protector/chivalry crap, and not mangina metro-sexual in their beliefs and values.

Several years ago, a liberal woman member of Congress called for a ban on the teaching of Islam in prisons to the convicts after learning how fast it was spreading. Her call was quickly and quietly dropped since it would be a major embarrassment and non-enforceable.

We are living in those ‘interesting times’ the ancient Chinese spoke of.

Do you live in the Pacific NW?

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White Cloud December 27, 2011 at 20:50

Very good article. I’m starting to think that the answer is for men to just adopt a zero-tolerance policy towards women who think it is their right to discuss how men should act. Women, especially feminist women, do not tolerate men discussing how women should act. Why do we tolerate women discussing how men should act?

I pretty much avoided that Good Men Project website, but I did see Tom Matlack’s article there that caused the furor with feminists. One of the things he said in that article was why is there so much concern by women about what it means to be a good man? He started that website apparently with the goal of getting MEN to talk to OTHER MEN about issues facing MEN. But it became dominated by women and feminists talking about men. Probably his fault because he let them in, but that’s what it turned into.

Frankly, the more I thought about this the more angry it made me. What gives these people the right to be so opinionated about men?

You are right, Demosthenes. There is an issue with feminists (and women in general I would say) wanting to control the discussion about men. I think they are uncomfortable with men discussing men’s issues. They want to control where the discussion goes and what men talk about, so that what results from it is something that women approve of.

I think that men should start preempting these conversations by telling women who insist on having an opinion about how men should act, to say, “No, you’re a woman and you don’t know what it means to be a man. You can’t know. You can never know. Therefore, you don’t get to have an opinion on what makes a good man. You don’t get to have an opinion about how men should act. You can LISTEN to men as WE talk with each other about what we think it means to be a man, about what masculinity means to us, about how we think we should act. But YOU don’t get to have an opinion about men and how we should think or act.”

The ideal place for men to talk about these issues is on MRA blogs, because we’re the only ones who know what is happening to men in this society and are honest enough to state it. Already there are numerous discussions of this nature taking place. Some people talk about “zeta masculinity”.

I read about this the most on A Voice for Men. Zeta masculinity is about redefining a man’s role to be something other than a provider (checkbook) and protector (war fodder) for women and society. Feminists don’t wanna hear that shit! Women in general don’t wanna hear that shit. I can count on one hand the number of women that I know of who support the MGTOW movement. Want to know how many? One. One woman. Girlwriteswhat. She’s on YouTube, reddit, AVFM, and other places.

When you hear “man up”, it’s all about shaming men for not being providers for women and society. These discussions about men’s roles and masculinity should only be engaged in by men. We’re the only ones who should have a right to talk about these issues. Women shouldn’t have a right to preach to us about masculinity. There are 600 women’s studies departments around the U.S. and almost every one of them has courses on masculinity. They would never allow MRA’s to preach to them about being a woman, so why do we allow them to preach to us about being a man?

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bob December 27, 2011 at 20:56

So what is it that Kay Hymenowitz advises men in their 20s to do, while women in their 20s ride the cock-carousel, only stopping when time and age imposes on her the need to look for a walking-wallet – oops, I mean a man – to commit to?

The Feminists parallel the Liberals in so many ways – assuming that free men will not react to changing incentives, and will keep toiling away as their grandfathers did.

Though they won’t mention it, what they’re really scared of is not the delay of “manhood” – it is MGTOW that terrifies them, and rightly so.

They’ve made their beds and now they can sleep in them – alone.

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Aharon December 27, 2011 at 21:26

White Cloud,

That was a great comment. I especially liked;
“I think they are uncomfortable with men discussing men’s issues. They want to control where the discussion goes and what men talk about, so that what results from it is something that women approve of.”

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Attila December 27, 2011 at 23:15

I couldn’t care less about what some talking vagina/mangina cyborg may have to say about men’s lives.

At this point in my life- all I care about is hanging around and learning from those who are more experienced and farther ahead in life’s path. While one can learn from almost anything – vagina/mangina cyborgs are peripheral to this.

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Roland3337 December 27, 2011 at 23:15

This article speaks to a very basic and simple truth:

Beware anyone that tries to tell you what it means to be a man.

They are trying to manipulate you for their own purposes.

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Mirko December 27, 2011 at 23:52

One thing which helps excrete feminist toxins from the system is good men’s vocal music —and this powerful piece from Macedonia is a good example—we don’t have anything like this in the “West”!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Un-z9qUjxk&feature=related

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E December 28, 2011 at 00:53

I think this “women out-pacing men” meme is a lie. It’s a distraction to cover up the inconvenient truth that feminists desperately do NOT want men to know about and that is being / staying single is a pretty good way for a man to live his life.

Lets play devil’s advocate here and assume the lie “women are out-pacing men” is true. Well if that’s the case then why don’t women subscribe to WGTOW – women going their own way? Why don’t women just use their money to live the good life and buy a home. They can spend their free time watching the food network channel and throwing fancy dinner parties inviting their girlfriends over. And if that’s not enough they can also watch HGTV (home and garden TV) to come up with new ideas to remodel their house. That seems like a pretty hot and sexy way to live a life. Whether there’s a shortage of good men or not would be irrelevant if women were so smart so successful they can provide everything for themselves already.

The only logical conclusion (despite what mainstream media is trying to brainwash us into believing) is that women are not really out-pacing men. It’s all a lie.

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Aharon December 28, 2011 at 01:14

“When was the last time you saw a woman actually solve a problem?”

About four years ago I had a female roommate who rubbed a little olive oil on a door key so it wouldn’t stick in the lock. It worked!

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oddsock December 28, 2011 at 02:35

Hey but NAWALT. There are some good women out their ! My big hairy feckin arse !

“‘A new student in elementary school who was bullied by classmates hanged himself in class and his teacher “grabbed her phone and began taking pictures” and didn’t help him down until she said, “‘Now that’s the picture I want,’” the boy’s grandmother claims in City Court.”

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/12/23/42513.htm

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Opus December 28, 2011 at 03:23

“A woman doing a man’s job is competitive, both sexually and economically” Blake Edwards – The Great Race (1965)

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DCM December 28, 2011 at 03:47

“Boxer December 27, 2011 at 19:06
…………
I like talking to feminists. Get them alone and start their hamster wheels spinning and see what I mean. The answer I got from one feminist (who is otherwise quite cool and insanely smart) when I asked her what she was going to do when Islam started taking root in her town, was to answer that “Oh, North American men wouldn’t let us be burqad up — they love our beauty too much”.
……….”

That is, she simply assumed that we’d all come riding to her rescue, and when we did we’d willingly knuckle under to female spite and abuse all over again.
They just don’t understand the change they’ve caused.

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aussieguy December 28, 2011 at 04:56

E said…

The only logical conclusion (despite what mainstream media is trying to brainwash us into believing) is that women are not really out-pacing men. It’s all a lie.

Its not a lie. Its the resultant affects of Governments encouraging and supporting women at the cost of men…

* When he is young. He is fed pills so he can be molded into a female oriented education system. (Notice how female teachers no longer discipline children, rather they just suggest he may have ADHD, because its easier and convenient to manage kids this way.) …All the kid needs is a good role model to look up to, and an education system that understands him. Not more bloody pills based on non-qualified medical advice.

* He has to attend some nonsensical “educational seminars” on how to treat women…Which are taught by feminists or feminist approved manginas. (I see it in the US military as well. I know most soldiers see these as a joke and waste of time; when they should be spending that time and taxpayer’s money on training and mastery of the weapons issued to them. The objective is to not come home in a box.)

* He is belittled if he doesn’t fit into the societal mold and declared “special” or treated like an outcast. As in the case of the Japanese herbivour man. (An odd concept for the western gyno-centric media: What if men no longer comply to women?!)

* His pain is played down as inconsequential in a gyno-centric society. Apparently, only women feel pain. Men don’t feel anything, despite being the other half of the human species. We’re human, but we’re not treated like one.

* His health is secondary to women’s health. How many breast cancer fund raisers do you see compared to prostate fund raisers? In Australia, we have Pink Ribbon Day. (Breast cancer focused fund raising. It earns AUD$4 million to AUD$5 million per year.) …A breast is more important than a prostate. What happened to fighting all forms of cancer?

* He is given little or non-existent support, especially in a domestic violence situation. Based on the flawed “women can do no wrong” theory. (The real world demonstrates a different story.) …And what about scholarships for college and university? Sorry, you have a penis. You have to work for your Degree.

* He is looked down upon if he doesn’t bow down to the appeasement of women and put them up on a pedestal…Then when he becomes a “Nice Guy”, he gets rejected by women in the real world! (As they go banging the “Bad Boy”.)

* He is nothing more than a disposable organism that is analogous to a walking money and sperm bank. He really is only wanted when women hear their biological clock tick too loud to bare. After that, he’ll be thrown out again thanks to a legal system that enables women to pursue this behaviour.

* He is labeled/portrayed as a rapist/pedophile/child-porn consumer by selectiveness of the news media. (In 2010, the Aussie news media was very focused with online child porn news and arrests in order to help the Govt with its Internet Filter support. It failed…So they went back to normal news.)

* He is accused, while women get excused by the legal system. (A female pedo is a troubled woman who needs counseling. A male pedo is a monster that should be locked away forever. He doesn’t need to be understood why he did it. He just needs to be removed from society.)

* He is labeled a pig.

* He is labeled a dog.

* He is portrayed as a bumbling moron on TV/movies. The elder males are treated like a retarded child. His life experiences doesn’t matter. The young are restless and troublesome. (Just look at The Simpsons! Lisa and Marge vs Bart and Homer.)

* He is pushed/shoved in all sorts of directions with the endless number of useless advice given to him. Because females keep changing the rules to suit their mood. (Ever kick a soccer ball and the goal posts keep changing?)

…And most of all, he is expected to bend over and take it up the butt under the “Man up!” or “Step-up!” mantra.

How many times does a modern male need to be kicked in the balls before he realises society doesn’t want him, but knows it needs him? (Its sick passive-aggressive behaviour.)

No more. They created this mess they’re in. Let them deal with it. Let them crash and burn in their own excuses and justifications. Women will never admit fault until they experience it personally or someone bluntly tells them the truth. (Don’t bother with the latter unless you’re a radio jocky like Tom Leykis.)

The biggest flaw with feminism is that it believes it can impose change without consequences. Its analogous to trying to place a drop of water into a pond and not expecting any resulting ripples from the action. But complain when it does produce ripples! Sure, you can freeze the pond with nitrogen, but that means you’ve changed the pond itself. Its no longer the same!

Feminists can’t grasp Newton’s 3rd Law of Motion:
=> For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

When women change something, men will react accordingly to the change. They can’t complain when men react in a way that isn’t desirable to their ideals or theories. MGTOW, ghosting, MRAs, man-child, etc are examples of this. This is the price one pays for being ignorant, delusional, and downright clueless of how the world really works.

It seems like the only way to teach women about feminism’s impact is to outright turn your back on them in terms of marriage, kids, and long term relationships. Just bang them and move on. Never tie yourself down or let them move in order to get a free ride out of you.

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Norm December 28, 2011 at 05:48

Now the trough is running out of money, women are telling me to “man up” for females benefit of course. The chickens have come home to roost girls, and men are more in tune than they were in the past. Feminists years ago said women don’t need men. Time has proven they do, but men aren’t buying.

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Rapses December 28, 2011 at 06:15

The gist of the attempt by feminists to control the discussion on manhood and masculinity is that women on the instigation of their feminist sisters have violated the old social and psychological contract with menfolk and they fear that men would no longer honor their part of contract which would be very discomforting for them. Ladies you have not paid your bill and power company would cut off your electric connection. It is the fear living without electricity in darkness which is scaring them off. They are just trying to reform their consumer contract so that they can get power for preferably free, lower rates or at least some subsidy from big G.

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MRA December 28, 2011 at 06:29

Women don’t care about what happen to men until it affects them, the amount of “man-up” articles surrounding the media in the last 5 years is a example, women don’t give a rat ass about men getting a raw taste in divorce court because it benefits them and men still kept marring but now men are rejecting them (toxic women, divorce court, alimony, child support industry) they PRETEND to care about men shame them during the process.

I remember the article posted here about essentials workers were overwhelming men in Minnesota, it is clear who really is good at keeping the ship from sinking.

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Ken December 28, 2011 at 06:36

“Build an inner social circle with a broad and varied skill set. Get a decent (but not too flashy) house or apartment and decorate it to your own tastes. Pay your taxes and keep your lawn mowed and you will largely be left alone. Rebuild wider society? For what? Call your house “the autonomous masculist republic of Jim” if you want. Don’t let any of your bitches move in and you’ll stay in charge of it until death. Indulge in your own hobbies and study things that interest you in your spare time. Live well”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

BINGO! :)

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Eric J Schlegel December 28, 2011 at 08:02

For the first time in history, fathers are literally teaching their sons to NOT protect and support a woman. My son wishes to be a married man, but I beat it into his head every day to DO HIS HOMEWORK first so that he has no illusions going into it. If I can just keep him single until he’s at least 25 he’ll have a chance.

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universe December 28, 2011 at 08:12

Demosthenes XXI

Feminism is touting itself as being the gatekeeper of gender re-examination for both sexes (1) and quite a bit of evidence demonstrates that there is a significant opposition against men taking the same steps toward rediscovery that women did — especially without feminist supervision.
I posit that the above articles illustrate and typify a significant feminist viewpoint about men reexamining and redefining their idea of masculinity, as well as rejecting the traditional feminine expectations.

– One current problem with contemporary culture is that a certain amount of the populace takes feminism seriously and actually listen to them as though they were some authority. Eventually, those outside of men’s blogs will come to know the score. We just have to keep on having a dialogue among ourselves, collecting data, and preparing it all for public disclosures.
(1). There are no bounds to this arrogance.
As a result of men spending half their time in the work-force, churning out standards of living for their families and excesses for the public purse, a wholy parasitic movement’s ideology went un-examined and un-challenged for 50+ years.
Parasitic is an accurate word to describe those in the women’s movement – “a person who lives at the expense of another or others without making any useful contribution or return” (Webster’s New World Dictionary), except, useful only for advancing the life of the life-sucking organism.
Now these meddling stupid phuchs want to set limits on and define the conduct of men while casting off limits from themselves. This is like having the nagging wife without actually being married to it.

Feminist assholes can not even get their own issues straight. Their assertions are deconstructed here and at other blogs quite regularly.
What, with all their nationally financed subterfuge, obfuscations, false allegations, misleading data plus outright lying at public social expense they continue to assert their own over-inflated sense of self-importance from 50 + years of challenge free monologues and now wish to speak for or redefine men? One just knows that these jerks are going to mess up and get men’s issues as wrong as they’ve presented their own.

Feminism will continue to exist when vote hungry quisling (traitorous) men (and now females) continue throwing public money at parasites to destroy the public. Feminism will continue to exist when no counter arguments are presented. When enough gathered factual data counter to the parasitic regime is presented to Congressmen, Members of Parliament (MPs) and respective Senators publicly the aforementioned will be forced to do an about face and we will see the deserved main end of parasitic feminist existances.

Through a link provided here from another thread I watched a YT vid of one Tucker Max stagebound and about to deliver some sort of presentation. The college age audience shouted down the antics of their retarded fellow feminist minded colleages. That is what is going to happen with our influence upon the culture. (Only we are going to dredge the names of those who brought so much misery and chaos to good nations around the globe and hold them accountable. This can be done quite effectively without huge financial back-up).
Onward toward the new year.

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Jim December 28, 2011 at 08:25

OT

Sinead O’Connor gets divorced for the fourth time after a 17 day marriage.

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Jim December 28, 2011 at 08:25

OT

Sinead O’Connor gets divorced for the fourth time after a 17 day marriage.

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Charles Martel December 28, 2011 at 08:28

Eric J Schlegel
For the first time in history, fathers are literally teaching their sons to NOT protect and support a woman.

Yes. One of my high school friends moved to Germany and for the last 25 years has had an endless series of mid-twenties girlfriends. Twenty years ago I wondered if this was a cover story and he was secretly gay. Ten years ago I thought his lifestyle was vaguely immoral. Today I think he is a visionary and thirty years ahead of his time.

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MRA December 28, 2011 at 10:53

The second wave is or almost living in retirement from their gov jobs, the 3rd wave couldn’t get the same peace of the cake, in the 70s the gov was better of course that is why feminist were so successful, because there was money and men were still the working class but now after making women and children dependent of the gov but its doesn’t have money as it used to they come back crying help.

F*ck you

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keyster December 28, 2011 at 11:54

Of course women want to know what men are thinking, as they have a vested interest in it. This is why feminist’s banished Men’s Clubs from society, because this is a place they believed men (patriarchy) conspired against them.

“The Good Men Project” is a reaction to the momentum the REAL Men’s Movement was gaining. There was limited response from feminists towards MRA writings other than the usual ad hominem attacks, because they couldn’t rationally and logically defend an ideology based on lies any longer. The GMP was an alternative for questioning young men who may have found the MRM too abrasive and misogynist. It’s a repackaging of the feminist concept for men.

This is similar to marxist Herbert Marcuse’s repackaging of the complex and theoretical “Das Kapital” into the more culturally appealing, philosophical and softer “Eros and Civilization”, the holy bible of the 60′s counter-culture progressive movement; a combination of Freud and Marx or “eroticized Marx”. Feminists loved Marcuse and he loved the feminist movement.

Feminists love the GMP, as long as they don’t waiver too much from feminist dogma. The grrls will keep the site operators in check. Yes, sometimes the warden needs to correct the guards. Keep the propagandists on message, “men bad/women good, you will submit”.

What’s important to note is that the positioning keeps adapting, but the goal remains the same; female political, economic and social control over men through whatever means necessary.

We here are the pesky insurgency.

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Common Monster December 28, 2011 at 12:41

Harvey Mansfield never gets a mention around here…

“The woman’s movement wanted above all to liberate women from any definition of woman.”

Equality = The Same Frikkin’ Thing For Men.

Now what about that don’t some people get?

He goes on to argue the essence of masculinity is in mastery of ones environment. In spite of all the dire statistics in those articles mentioned, men are going to do the mastering-the-environment thing regardless of how crappy feminism has made the environment.

For example, if colleges are now hostile environments for men, they’ll head for friendlier climes. Duh. Men don’t seem to go looking for trouble the way women do. The behavior of men is not a problem, as most are managing to adapt and weather the storm somehow, the environment is. That why the focus of the “crisis in masculinity” crowd is always off, why they come across as nothing but nags. Changing conditions to be more male-friendly never seems to be on their radar screens. For the most part, the crisis is theirs, not ours.

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Boxer December 28, 2011 at 12:48

“I don’t want a wife and I don’t want kids. I’m 36 and if I met a woman of my own age and married her, I’d also be marrying her former life, her past. It might be OK for some people – I don’t want to judge it or anything – but it’s not for me. It would destroy my creativity.” -Henry Rollins
http://www.nyrock.com/interviews/rollins_int.htm

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Rocco December 28, 2011 at 12:48

@ Common Monster

It’s just that their letting their voting majority, pussy power to limit men choices to prison and don’t recognize the concept of fatherhood….oh, and they don’t like kids too much and like to take mens money by force of imprisonment, a soft form of slavery.

Other than that, I agree.

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oddsock December 28, 2011 at 13:13

Keyster

Don’t make a bigger tit of yourself than you did with your feeble response to the video of the controlled demolition of WTC 7.

If you want guys on the spearhead to at least read and consider your political stance then I strongly suggest you stop trying to bull shit people. You are behaving nothing like someone that is supposed to have the best interests of men at heart.

Its very simple. The left right paradigm is an illusion and you are still trying to dupe men into believing in it plus the 9/11 tragedy was a false flag. They are quite common and in case you don’t know? Far greater false flags have been carried out and by all sides. E.g. Look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident. This is what took you, the USA into the Vietnam war killing millions of men. ( De classified as a false flag )

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Aharon December 28, 2011 at 13:15

The news story below is hysterical! Only women would be so insecure. Men would mostly laugh if a male bear was named man of the month. Ironically, the panda is more attractive than some of the women pictured. Ha!

BBC’s panda choice as a top face of women sparks uproar
Tian Tian, the female panda bear also called Sweetie, looks out from her enclosure Dec. 16 as members of the public view her for the first time at Edinburgh Zoo in Scotland. The panda was named Wednesday as one of the 12 female faces of the year by the BBC.

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/28/9775821-bbcs-panda-choice-as-a-top-face-of-women-sparks-uproar

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will December 28, 2011 at 14:04

The documents of the powers that be that created feminism:

http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-on-the-full-spectrum-biologicaleugenics-assault-against-humanity/

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Angelguy December 28, 2011 at 14:13

“More and more men are seeking out their own paths to transcending the traditional bindings that have been placed upon us and that many of these feminists are trying to keep on us.”

This is the quote I relate too and remember most from this article.
Men( me included) are rejecting the traditional bindings.
Masculinity is not in trouble, it is just changing.

As for those that are struggling with unemployment, that has nothing to do with being ‘less’ masculine. It is just life, we all go through those periods.

Feminists are going to have to wake up and realize that the Traditional mindset of Men supporting women is coming to an end.
They are going to have to start taking responsibility for all of the things Men used to do for them. The finger of blame will not be on Men anymore, it will be on themselves.

Angelguy

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will December 28, 2011 at 14:16

To fight against feminism man must eliminate exposure to emasculating bisphenol A present in plastics, clothes and printer paper. If you want to know how to eliminate or reduce BPA toxicity:

http://www.naturalnews.com/033993_BPA_protection.html

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oddsock December 28, 2011 at 14:18

Thanks Boxer

Can’t say I have ever read any Marcuse. I tend to find those sort of books all sort of run along similar lines ie, collectivism, left right and middle. The parts that are usually of interest are the personal background and life history of the given political author.

I did note Keyster saying he was employed by the government and give him the benefit of the doubt and perhaps a reason why he refuses to see and accept the obvious on WTC7. But to continue with the political drive for people, men especially, to vote for the opposing party as some sort of method for them to end the widespread misandry is stunning, absolutely stunning. Can’t remember who but did someone not define the same thing as “Insanity” ? Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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Miroslav December 28, 2011 at 14:24

Aharon- some of us are too old to be fooled by your answer regarding Jewish representation in the media.

Citing this vernerable website as a counterexample is a lame attempt — one swallow does not make a spring.

Why don’t you cite NPR? ——— seems like every other story in their flagship All Things Considered is about Israel, Hitler/Holocaust or simply issues of Jewish interest. The Hanukkah Blitz in December is simply ridiculous. Lisa Mullens’ show The World is also full of Judeo-centric stories- no matter how obscure. If they could find a Jews in Antarctica – they would do a story about them!

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oddsock December 28, 2011 at 15:19

Thanks again Boxer

” He’s unique in that he labeled the USA and the USSR as functions of the same repressive structure. He called it “advanced industrial society”.

Now that peaked my interest. I will look it up. It appears he was aluding to the collectivism already mentioned in this thread, just a different label.

Must admit, I am more along the lines/views of Gerald Celentie. A political athiest. As he says, anyone that believes in this politcal nonsense needs to grow up.

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Rocco December 28, 2011 at 15:28

OT

A famous writer for SNL and producer of Kids in the Hall commits suicide, mush of his blogged suicide note could be written by many of the posters were and echo our predictions and concerns eerily:

http://qualityshows.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/if-this-were-y0ur-last-day-alive-what-would-you-do/

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confused December 28, 2011 at 15:36

“Men are great exactly the way we are! Look around you. Everything, all great works of art, literature, music, invention, philosophy. Everything is built by man.”

Thats the high end. But even in the middle and at the low end…I call for a service – plumbing, mechanic, handyman, painting, appliance repair, protection, computing – generally anything truly productive – its men who answer the call the vast majority of the time.

How Anyone could seriously ask whether “masculinity is good” is seriously delusional.

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Boxer December 28, 2011 at 15:54

Dear Aharon:

As an atheist, I think all religion (including Judaism) is extremely silly, but I am disheartened by the number of people who want to turn this place into kook central and alienate brothers who would otherwise make valuable contributions here.

There is a strong Jewish presence in the media yet they do not own it literally or in their overall influence. Many Americans overall to include those in the media have pro-Jewish pro-Israel beliefs and values.

Pro-Jewish and pro-Israel beliefs are a mark of the right wing conservative manginae, who sit around praising Israel all day. This is only understandable when one realizes that Israel is a colony of Anglo-American capital. It’s there in the middle east to serve as a cultural bulwark of feminism and crass consumer capitalism and it does its job admirably. We (people in the west) get cheap oil from Arabs who are too distracted by this nuclear enemy in their midst to come together and oppose the plunder of their resources. Feminism among Jewish women (both in Israel and the USA) is very strong, and there are surely millions of Jewish brothers who would resonate with this site. For example, in Israel, it’s common to revoke the passports of fathers who owe child support, simply on the mother’s say so. The man doesn’t even have to be in arrears. This is something that is so audacious, even the USA and UK doesn’t do it.

As far as the media in the USA: Miroslav and others are on the internet. They can start a blog and become the media, and no one will be able to say anything about it. If Jews were some shadowy, unified cabal of censors that were in charge of everything, sites like stormfront and others would cease to exist.

Boxer

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keyster December 28, 2011 at 16:05

“Just a couple of days ago Keyster boasted of being on the payroll of the USA federal government. This admission, combined with his long history of sowing discord and acting as apologist for his feminist state, puts his “work” for men’s rights in ever more appreciable context.”

This is an example of where your “misappropriation of the facts” regarding me is evident. I do not work for the USA federal government and never said that I did.

The problem here is not your promotion of Communism and Che Guevera style Marxist revolution, hatred of the USA and so on. Everyone is entitled to have a political belief system. The problem is you’re left of left AND you hate feminism and women…which is kind of like saying, “I’m a big football fan except for the kicking part and the kickers.”

And to say that Khrushchev had feminists tortured and killed in the 60′s, while inferring that feminism originated as a secret American plot, is so far out there it’s staightjacket, rubber room crazy. Khrushchev actually liked women (unlike yourself), and was a big proponent of International Women’s Day, started by Lenin and later adopted by the anti-US/pro-Socialist UN, that we’re forced to endure now every year.

These are exactly the kind of statements, along with Sock’s “info wars” conspiracy theories (and Peter-Andrew Nolans ramblings), the average person points to when exclaiming Men’s Rights Activists are all insane. There’s a few that truly are not dealing from a full deck of cards.

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Jaego Scorzne December 28, 2011 at 16:45

Most of our Foreign Policy is made by American/Israeli dual citizens. But their allegiance is not dual at all. If we don’t resist them, they are going to get us into a war with Iran.

The whole Globalist Agenda is ridiculous and sinister since we are the ones who expected to sacrafice to make it a reality. All men are not going to become brothers – that’s the real “kooky” lunatic fringe thinking.

Once the War with Iran starts, then anything they don’t like will be considered a threat. If they want to close down the internet or strictly control it, they will do just that. If you don’t want all that, vote for Ron Paul – probably the only one of them who might be at last partially his own man. The rest of them are Neo Cons or Israel worshipers. Obama is Neo Liberal – it’s the same as Neo-Conservatism but markets itself to a different target audience.

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W.F. Price December 28, 2011 at 16:57

OK guys, I’m going to start deleting sectarian posts here if you can’t all calm down. All men who are concerned with men’s interest are welcome here, regardless of religious, ethnic and political affiliation.

This means that conservatives and liberals, religious or non-religious, whatever ethnicity, are all invited to engage in civil discussion. “Civil” is the key here.

Hope everyone is having a nice holiday, let’s have some goodwill and enjoy the yuletide cheer. :)

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Aharon December 28, 2011 at 18:00

Boxer,

Thanks for your reply. I too would prefer an MRA site to focus on the MRM that we can all directly relate too.

I agree with some of your responses on matters relating to religion, politics, and history and I disagree on others. No big deal. I’m intentionally avoiding a detailed response since this is not now here the place for it, and to keep the peace and respect goodwill among men as Pierce wrote.

Yes, Jewish men in Israel and here in America are also suffering and being victimized by feminism. Too much respect granted to women in the culture/religion has evolved into something akin to a female Frankenstein movement. I could have fun with that one.

I’ll probably vote for Ron Paul. I’m not a libertarian and no one can fix the huge and diverse problems and it is going to take a long time even when doing the right things. My vote for him will be a vote against the establishment ie big corrupt government, police-nanny state, the ‘evil’ bankers, gun control nuts, etc.

You wrote: “It’s a silly religion and not much more”. Obviously you have never had noodle koogle, latkes (potato pancakes), Jewish chicken soup, Jewish brisket, and french toast made with challah bread.

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Rocco December 28, 2011 at 19:30

@ Price

I fully support you keeping this site on track. Beyond becoming a cohesive political force by showing the lack of fairness and even logic in feminist policies, and while political forces of the PTB certainly contribute to feminists daily operating budgets..

…it’s the heats and minds of men and women that is the purpose of this site and has been the strength of this site.

Please guys keep in mind that there are many wrongs in the world, here we are focusing on the way feminists have broken society because we are just starting to get the message out.

There are many sites to discuss communist issues etc.

Thanks for stepping in Price.

This is not the place to discuss highly theoretical conspiracies when we have daily published conflicts of interest, we have feminist leading attorneys assaulting men in public on camera.

Do more research guys, less personal atttacks, you all great writers and people and I’m convinced we are having a major impact due to the unique analysis of feminism here that was previously political suicide to discuss.

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Rmaxd December 28, 2011 at 19:35

@Aharon

Yes, Jews control a majority in the media, but most ppl just go into anti-jew hysterics when acknowledged

It’s not really worth discussing, as while race effects men, its still a minor issue to MRA’s

The elites’ve made it clear, they dont care about race, it’s all about power, whether its through feminism, or the kkk, or the massive epidemic of female paedophilea in todays schools, the results are the same

Women swallow the lies as blindly as they have always done, while men create the grass roots for the truth, the truth as always a call to arms

Morals are nothing without the morality of the truth & the strengths it affords us

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Rmaxd December 28, 2011 at 20:18

Crosspost from my comment on another blog …

The rules is alot worse then you think

It’s all about the appearance of good advice, which is what makes The Rules so dangerous to young women

They never acknowledge how dangerous women are for men in a relationship

This is at the root of the problem with marriage & relationships

If a man commits to a woman, without acknowledging the real dangers of a woman, she will tear him & the marriage apart

A woman’s ability to fall out of love, without her ability to self correct her falling out of love, is probably the greatest danger a man faces from a woman

His inability to correct her falling out of love, eventually leads to her destroying him irrespective of the number of years, or the feelings she might have had for him

This inability of a woman to prevent herself from falling out of love, is simply a fraction of her immense need for an alpha to stabilise her

This is why carousel riders who settle for beta’s, are damaged goods & mentally scarred, they’re simply trying to stop themselves from falling out of love with the beta’s they settle for, failure is not an option

As they try & reconcile the cognitive dissonance of their biological need for a alpha, they become increasingly irrational & unable to face any given truth

Remember with scummy carousel riding women who settle for beta’s, it is not the truth, or the facts at question here, it is her settling for a beta & her need for a alpha, that is at question

As when women fight the truth, they never really fight the truth or the facts, they are really fighing theyre own cognitive dissonance for settling for a beta, & their inability to mate with an alpha

Instability & irrationality, are always the result of a cognitive dissonance of a womans biological imperative & need for an alpha

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Aharon December 28, 2011 at 20:23

Rmaxd,

You’re right,. It’s not really worth discussing. The elites behind the scenes are all about power. It was the women vote that swept into power Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. One of the senior Soviet leaders once said that without the support of the women they could never have stayed in power for so long and gone on for as long as they did. Then as now in America, those states made partners with their women. Men died in prisons and on the battlefield. Women bought the story how government was determined to build a happy safe prosperous utopia that all women will be proud to raise their children in….

“Morals are nothing without the morality of the truth & the strengths it affords us”
— I really like that statement.

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Rmaxd December 28, 2011 at 20:50

This very same cognitive dissonance, effects women in single mother, ie bastards out of wedlock, a single mother is not a family …

A girl without a strong alpha male as a father, will always try & reconcile her need for her beta father, or her single mother, & her biological need for a strong alpha

By trying to reconcile the two, she creates a cognitive dissonance which she resolves by sleeping with thugs & bad boys …

The vast amounts of men she sleeps with, satiates her cognitive dissonance, ie her need for a beta, or her single mother, even though she knows she wants an alpha to replace her need for a single mother …

Women never really get over the fact, it was a beta father, or a single mother who provided for her, instead of a strong alpha father

Of course she creates a need for a beta, or a need for her single mother, or a need for feminism, or a lesbian man hating lover

But the cognitive dissonance of her biological craving for an alpha, a womans irrationality & bitchiness are basically her trying to rationalise the missing alpha males & alpha fathers in her life

Women know if they ever tried to face the devestation of the lack of masculinity in their lives, they would have to acknowledge all the men theyve destroyed in their own lives, & the opportunities of men who would’ve acknowledged a womans biological need for them

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Rmaxd December 28, 2011 at 21:41

@Aharon

Yes it was the women, but you have to realise WHY Hitler focused on race & nationalism

The women, werent just women, they were white …

Most guys dont like hearing this, but it was also white women, who voted the suffragettes in

it was also white women who voted for feminists, it was also white women who voted for welfare, it was also white women who voted for liberalism & affirmative action

In stark contrast, you’re seeing resistance to feminism in places like india by women

It is also no suprise theyve waited so long to push for American style divorce courts in third world countries, such as india

Feminists could never fight on two fronts, Western culture & Indian Traditionalism

It is only now, as india becomes more westernised, to the point of consumer wage slaves, & an indians way of life turned into a commercial, an advertisement for the loss of their way of life

Feminists’ve basically reached saturation point here in the U.S. & Europe

Theyre looking to expand … broaden their market …

Feminism is first & foremost marketing, their methods of advertising are CIA, or local intelligence backed agencies, infiltrating communities in third world countries

Feminism is a governmental response to masculinity & the ability of man to compete with government, & our ability to dictate the direction of society

While feminism is a cultural response, it’s the mass embedding of feminism & hate of masculinity, through film, media, advertising, tools of delusion which do the real work

The feminist’s could never wage mass broadspectrum warfare on their own

Feminism & race & liberalism, are always linked

As it is women & their need for safety, & their inability to define their own strengths which leads to atrocities

It’s the abstraction of strength, the inability of a woman to trust their own masculinity, & the masculinity of the men around them, over team woman, which ultimately defines the atrocities a woman creates against men

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Rocco December 28, 2011 at 22:50

OT

Submissive sweet little Asian female, you know the kind that we find so friendly compared to our Anglo sisters.

Check it out she is caught on the subway telling her timid boyfriend he’s nothing without money.

Just in case you believe anything feminists ever say……and this is an improvement over our women, believe me, to Anglo women money isn’t enough.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/videos/a-man-without-money-is-garbage.html

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Taqman December 28, 2011 at 23:11

There really is no Jewish conspiracy, any more than there is a Catholic or Mormon conspiracy. Jewish men get fucked over in family court, same as us. Jewish boys die in pointless wars by the thousands. If being a Jew meant some sort of elite status, I’d convert tomorrow just for the perks. It’s a silly religion and not much more.

The successful nature of the Jews was the result of strong family bonds forged in societies that were hostile to them. They banded together and were very serious about learning marketable professions so that they could survive in communities where they could get jobs that were normally available to Chrisitians.

It will be interesting to see if this “elite status” diminishes as feminism destroys their families.

When I was studying for my PhD, I worked with quite a few childless spinster jew women who had the benefit of growing up in tight nit communities but who will leave no legacy behind after they are gone.

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KARMA MRA MGTOW December 28, 2011 at 23:13

Like the song by the late Willie Hutch says: “Brothers gonna work it out! Brothers gonna work it out!”

Brothers have to get over the denial first, and we need women free spaces.

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Somehow Somewhat December 29, 2011 at 00:25

OT

A science lab class work results into discovery of paternity fraud. Man is to be compensated.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/students-class-on-blood-t_n_1172994.html

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Jaego Scorzne December 29, 2011 at 01:32

Traditional Cultures are stronger than modern. Our only advantage is technology. So when the Mexicans and Muslims get our technology and still have their women under control, the advantage is all their’s. But their is a window: they have to conquer us before their women get corrupted by Feminism. They realize this and are proceeding.

Yes Israel is a Western Country and the people there are afraid. They just gave up a thousand Palestinian Prisoners to get one Israeli soldier back. Wow – they’re finished. Just a matter of time.

Someday the Jews will violently disavow their leading role in Feminism and Third World Immigration, as they now do their leading role in Communism.

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oddsock December 29, 2011 at 02:34

keyster December 26, 2011 at 12:44

“Keyster

“If I’ve learned one thing working for Government the last several years is that while corruption and all manner of political skullduggery exists at all levels, they are also mostly inept and incompetent”

And

“This is an example of where your “misappropriation of the facts” regarding me is evident. I do not work for the USA federal government and never said that I did.”

Now maybe it’s me but the above two statements by Keyster seem to contradict. Unless of course when he says “If I’ve learned one thing working for Government the last several years” and “He never said he worked for the USA federal government “. He means he is working for the government but only as something like a traffic warden or public toilet attendant ?

It’s the sort of tactics feminists and women use everyday. The sort many of us are familiar with. Say something then totally deny they said it and into the bargain tell us we are mad or not playing with a full deck of cards because we called them out. They continue with this even when the evidence is placed before them.

Keyster, as I have said previously, you do, on occasion make a few good comments regarding MRA stuff but other than that, you are away with the fairies. WTC 9/11 was a false flag attack and you know it. Stop your BS.

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oddsock December 29, 2011 at 03:00

Rmaxd

Excellent comment but you need to be careful. You are showing clear signs of being awake and not falling for the bull shit governments churn out to dupe the sheeple. You will be called a tin foil hatter next or accused of not playing with a full deck of cards by those that are desperate to cling onto their belief system !

Whenever I read painfully pathetic posts by people in total denial that despite the overwhelming evidence that WTC7 was a controlled demolition, it reminds me of the story of a wife caught by her husband giving a blow job to another man. Her response; it was only a BJ what are you getting so upset about ? No harm was done.

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DCM December 29, 2011 at 03:11

“oddsock December 29, 2011 at 03:00
………….
I read painfully pathetic posts by people in total denial that despite the overwhelming evidence that WTC7 was a controlled demolition……”

Do you also insist that William Shakespeare didn’t produce the writings of William Shakespeare? That the Great Pyriamid at Giza is actually a multidimensional space-time transformer built by aliens? That the moon landings were staged by Hollywood?

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oddsock December 29, 2011 at 03:16

DCM

No. I simply insist the evidence WTC7 was a controlled demolition is overwhelming.

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E December 29, 2011 at 04:20

Here is a list of the world’s top 20 most in debt nations.

Ireland is “number 1″ meaning they are most in debt.
The USA is least in debt at number 20
Notice the large number of European countries on that list.
Despite having a very negative reputation for being mindless consumers (we’ve all seen videos of those crazy shoppers at Walmart) Americans have displayed greater fiscal responsibility than our European cousins as evidence by our lower debt to GDP ratio of only 100%
Compare that to say France at 250% or Switzerland at 400%
I think one of the major contributors to Europe’s indebtedness is its generous social welfare programs which of course we can thank feminists for.
100 years ago Europeans ruled the world

A lot can change in less than 100 years when you let feminists / women have their way.

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oddsock December 29, 2011 at 04:38

E

Interesting although it is from CNBC and I take your point regarding feminism and debt.

Here is probably a far more accurate list of the debt to GDP ratio for many countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

I would like to add that if we take into account the whole financial sector, City of London etc of the UK when we calculate the UK debt to GDP ratio. We find the UK is number one and would/should be running at around 1000% ratio. The USA and the EU are in second/third spot. Who exactly is anyones guess ?

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oddsock December 29, 2011 at 05:38

Anyway, I am going out now. The January sales have started early here in the UK. I doubt I will find a Stetson, for some reason they seem to be quite rare over here. Not to worry, I will just buy myself a new tinfoil hat.

Good will to all men.

Hmmm, wonder where I can find a full deck of cards ?

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Migu December 29, 2011 at 06:05

I’ve got a green number 5 uno card, and a get out jail free monopoly card. Is that a full deck?

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Boxer December 29, 2011 at 08:05

Dear Aharon:

OK: conceded the Hebrews eat a lot better than I do. Your tastes seem to run to traditional Ashkenazi fare. I’m sorta partial to hunting up falafil at an Israeli deli someplace.

Just to keep this marginally on topic, I’d like all the brothers here to take some cues from this woman, right here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8yfEJ7axE&feature=related

Not all women are the same. Some are skanks, and some are even skankier.

Regards, Boxer

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Boxer December 29, 2011 at 08:18

Dear Oddsock:

For the record, I agree with Keyster’s latest confession that he was lying when he claimed to work for the government. Before this he described himself as both “self employed” and “a professional writer”.

He’s probably just some random, jobless male feminist who thinks he’s doing the sisterhood a good turn by disrupting this blog.

I also love the fact that someone downvoted Price. Don’t have to wonder who that was. Laughable and pathetic.

And now I’d like to interrupt the usual fun and games to encourage all you young brothers to get married to whichever lovely girl you are seeing. Marriage is a wonderful institution which has many benefits for men. Tom Leykis will explain in more detail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqZic6pCy0Q&feature=related

Regards, Boxer

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oddsock December 29, 2011 at 08:55

Boxer

Actually, I don’t mind Keyster Fartpowder etc trying to cause upset on here. It gives me a chance to breakdown and highlight the tactics they use for the younger guys to see. Chances are, they will come across the same in most dealings with modern women. Emotional terrorism is the usual modus operandi of such people and can be difficult to spot let alone deal with. It can be so powerful, as Erin Pizzey say’s in her book ” The emotional terrorist and the violence prone”. It can drive the victim to drink drugs and suicide. Obviously they hate being uncovered and will try every trick in the book to discredit anyone that calls them out. Even on here, as you are aware, they have now had to resort to usin plenty of sock puppets appearing as new members to cast downvotes against anyone that does not believe their bull shit. Quite amusing though.

Totally OT

Remember the recent discussion regarding the new law that had been put forward in the USA? The indefinite detention without charge including any American. The issue in question being Subtitle D of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) ? I believe Obama has already signed it into law ? I can’t confirm this but it does, so far, appear to be true.

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Aharon December 29, 2011 at 09:18

Rmaxed,

That was a profound reply.

“Most guys dont like hearing this, but it was also white women, who voted the suffragettes in”
— I thought it was the suffragettes (almost sounds like ‘suffer-gate’ another political corruption) who protested who women to get the right to vote.

“Feminism is a governmental response to masculinity & the ability of man to compete with government, & our ability to dictate the direction of society”
— well said.

Your replies are very thought provoking and clarifying to me of many own my own ideas on these issues.

Have you ever watched any of the videos created by Man Woman Myth? I think they do a good job of communicating to people what is going on under the surface. They have helped me to better understand the puppet masters behind the scenes by following the money trail and to following the power trail.

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Aharon December 29, 2011 at 09:29

Boxer,

Falafel is good. So are gyros, and lots of other Israeli and Arab food. I think Persian food is also delicious. I think there’s been a Hummus War in the middle east with Lebanese businesses trying to copy write the name ‘hummus’ since Israeli firms have marketed and sold lots of hummus around the world. I guess its better than a shooting war.

:) Yes, I grew up on Ashkenazi Jewish Russian food though going back 500+ years my ancestors lived in Spain. They were kicked out in 1492 with at least one ancestor being burned at the stake. After that they journeyed across France, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and into Russia over the next few hundred years. My grandparents came to America in 1906. Prior to Spain, I suspect they lived in what is now Turkey some hundreds of years.

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keyster December 29, 2011 at 09:35

I work as a consultant for county governments. I do statistical analysis for property assessement purposes. I am self-employed and I never claimed to be a professional writer.

You’re absolutely correct Sock. It’s the Free Mason’s who really control everything; Democrats and Republicans, the IMF, the UN, the Arab League, the Vatican, Scientology, the Mafia, GE, Apple, McDonalds and the MSM.

I’ll probably be “dealt with” for exposing them but we have operatives everywhere. I was recruited to infiltrate the “Manoshpere” to monitor for extremely intelligent yet suspicious people such as yourself and Boxer. (If you’ve downloaded the app “Angry Birds” onto your iPhone, we know what your thinking.) It’s guys like you that question the illusion we’ve set up to maintian our control over the “sheeple” that we consider to be our biggest threat.

Listen to Lady GaGa’s hit song “Bad Romance” backwards at half-speed and what really happened to WTC7 will be revealed. Yes, she is one of us. Now you know.

If suddenly I dissapear from the internets you’ll know why. You and Boxer’s personal insults, ridicule and shaming finally broke me down and I felt it was important to tell the truth once and for all.

Attention Paul Elam, Amanda Marcotte and Master Cheney!
“The barking dog howls at the moon.”
I repeat…
“The barking dog howls at the moon.”
This will be my final communication.
Signing off…your humble Sock Puppet Keyster.

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Boxer December 29, 2011 at 09:36

Dear Oddsock:

I tried to find a link, but supposedly that rider did pass. The feminist congresswoman Nancy Pelosi introduced a reversal of some sort, but only for USA citizens and residents, leaving the possibility of indefinite detention on the table for non-citizens outside the USA.

Bear in mind that the criminal scumbag Obama won the election with all sorts of lofty promises about ending all these stupid foreign wars and closing that hell-hole the Americans have at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. This law and his signing of it has effectively proven him a liar. This bill authorizes it to stay open and operating for ever, with more people rounded up and held without charges for years and years.

A few years ago there was a scandal in which a Canadian citizen child (15 or so) was rounded up in Afghanistan, and held at Guantanamo for a couple of years, tortured and interrogated for years. CSIS (Canada’s secret police – like the CIA, KGB or MI6) helped to torture him.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/07/15/khadr-csis015.html

Such are the standard practices of the feminist police state and all the establishment political parties approve.

Regards, Boxer

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Smith December 29, 2011 at 12:57

@Aharon

Suicidal female poet lays it out for you:

Not God but a swastika
So black no sky could squeak through
Every woman adores a Fascist
The boot in the face, the brute
Brute heart of brute like you.

-from “Daddy” by Sylvia Plath 1962

Every woman adores a fascist

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Rmaxd December 29, 2011 at 12:58

@Keyster not wanting to get in a spat with you, but most people who interact with government agencies, even on a county level, tend to talk the exact same way you do

We get it, you have a vested interest in not wanting to see how the government actually operates

Unfortunately how the government operates, whether its through the forced media embedding of feminism in every single film, tv show, sitcom, or the deliberate confiscation of video & surveillance footage of 9/11, effects the MRA

As it’s men who ultimately died in 9/11, everyone from the rescue teams, to the search & rescue squads, to the firemen, & response units, to the workers on the ground

Every single one of those men, they may not be dead, but make no doubt, they are the walking dead

The hideously toxic materials we use to construct our buildings, to prevent microbacteria & plants from taking back what the cities took from them, has turned the men who turned up to help into the walking dead

We see the same thing happening in third world countries, where the local economy is swamped with bleached poisonous white bread & hideous obese causing carbohydrates, such as cereals & corn based fructose syrup drinks, as addictive as heroine or crack & just as deadly

Remember all of the above is marketed to children

Whether its the Masons, or elites, or the rich upper class, the results are the same, men are diverted from a better society, as we work to better their mistakes

The truth, whether its the masons, or the CFR, council on foreign affairs, or the NWO, the truth is all that matters

We cant afford to resort to mainstream stereotyping of the truth

The fact is it’s already too late, we simply dont have the luxury of believing what society tells us as the truth

That luxury died with feminism, & the surveillance camera’s on every street I walk down on, & the harrassment I receive from the secret police, posted at most bus stops, who follow me sometimes in pairs into shops & supermarkets, as I try & do my daily shopping

I’m in London btw …

Raise your voice in public, protest, & you will get placed on a list & harassed & followed by what’s known as the European Police here in Britain

The European Police commisioned by the E.U & Nato, have whats known as diplomatic immunity, they can come into your house without a warrant & put you under surveillance & harrass you without any warrants or court orders whatsoever

I genuinely wish the conspiracy theories of police states, mass surveillance, massive abductions of political dissenters, were just that … theories …

The fact is, the conspiracy theorist’s, theyve been right for the past 30 or so years, everything they spoke about

Everything the conspiracy theorists, remember George Orwell’s 1984 was a conspiracy theory for how many years now?

Everything the conspiracy theorists warned us about has come to pass

As we’re now living & breathing in a conspiracy theorists nightmare …

It’s only going to get worse, dehumanisation & oppression never stops, unless there is direct opposition by men

The truth, regardless of its context, social construct or social stigma, is all that matters

Know everything, believe nothing, destruction & warfare without belief & indiscrimination, it is the masculine way …

Fight what needs to be fought, instead of fighting beliefs & social engineered ideology & stereotypes, you cant win in a world you dont create

Control & practise & create your rights, food, water & energy, or someone else will create & control them for you, on their terms, not yours, & at your expense ie taxes …

A societies survival is dictated by its ability to create its future

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American December 29, 2011 at 13:06

The regression of American society, can be directly attributed to the perversions of different institutions that have served to falsely “empower” Gender; Gender-Raunch style feminism.
30-40 years ago, it was “Equality” feminism; then it regressed into “Gender” feminism; and now over the last 15 years our society is balls deep into what Ariel Levy describes in her book as “Raunch” feminism.
I personally have never experienced any kind of “Equality” feminist rhetoric, but anyone who is not deaf and dumb can see the “Gender, Gender-Raunch” rhetoric and propaganda most anywhere.
Ariel levy did say that neo “Raunch” feminism was going to be the straw that broke the camels back.

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American December 29, 2011 at 13:12

The main tool for “Empowering” the American Gender, Gender-Raunch community has been the perversion and manufactured statistics of American law enforcement. These federally funded protocol perversions and semantics games that have served to “manufacture” empowerment rhetoric for Gender-Raunch, are not only a perversion, they are un-constitutional.
The American Gender-Raunch community will continue with whatever “agenda” they want; as long as they got a law enforcement system that will continue to pervert shit to “Empower” Gender-Raunch.

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keyster December 29, 2011 at 14:03

“We get it, you have a vested interest in not wanting to see how the government actually operates.”

On the contrary, I’ll tell you all about it.
They’re self-serving, corrupt, incompetent idiots who couldn’t organize and pull off a grandiose plan, and without anyone else finding out about it, if they tried. Trust me on this, the government does not attract the best and brightest. It attracts the stupid and sometimes greedy.

“Everything the conspiracy theorists warned us about has come to pass
As we’re now living & breathing in a conspiracy theorists nightmare …”

I would think that’s actually the conspiracy theorist’s dream. The nightmare is that there is no broad conspiracy by any group to do anything. It’s just tribes of people (countries, races, etc.) trying to get by without killing each other off or dying too young. If you get to scrape a little piece of the pie up along the way, you’ve made it in life.

You guys are watching too many movies. We’re not Harrison Ford or Mel Gibson or Matt Damon fighting a moral battle against an evil mysterious all encompassing force like Dr. No or Goldfinger. I mean we had a combined secret service effort that honestly believed Saddam Hussein had WMD’s and nuclear capability. That wasn’t a plot or grand lie to get their oil or make Bush and Cheney rich; it was a $500 billion/45oo lives idiotic f*ck up. THAT my friend is our government.

“Control & practise & create your rights, food, water & energy, or someone else will create & control them for you, on their terms, not yours, & at your expense ie taxes …”

Then you should go do that. It’s possible to live off the grid. It’s not an easy life but you can do it. Dick Proenneke did this in Alaska.

If you’re paranoid about government surveillance , the Patriot Act, the TSA and other things we needed to do to adapt to the tactic of terrorism, then the terrorists have one. I personally have nothing to hide, other than my long standing association with the Free Masons. Now if you’ll excuse me I have men in dark suits and sunglasses waiting at my door.

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Rmaxd December 29, 2011 at 15:47

lol now we need” government surveillance , the Patriot Act, the TSA and other things we needed to do to adapt to the tactic of terrorism”

Wth …

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Rmaxd December 29, 2011 at 15:50

“If you’re paranoid about government surveillance , the Patriot Act, the TSA and other things we needed to do to adapt to the tactic of terrorism, then the terrorists have one”

Seriously get your head out of your ass keyster … lol

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mgtow December 30, 2011 at 08:38

@Zorro

Kay Hymowitz is a feminist, the social conservative type.

Those kind are worse than the bra-burning, pro choice, liberal radfems, because the conservative feminist, whether it is by hypocrisy or obstinacy, always fail to address the key problem (feminism screwing over boys and men), and instead prefer to dole out the tiresome ‘grow up and man up’ shaming language to get men back into the plantation called Marriage 2.0.

At least the radfems are more honest with their misandrist intentions. But, no, not those of the Hymowitz ilk. They will mask their hate by appealing to men to step up, marry and do it for the ‘good of society’.

Do not be fooled by them.

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Joe December 30, 2011 at 14:03

Oddsock was referring to:

Senate bill 1867, or the NDAA, permits indefinite military detention of US citizens without charge or trial. This is of huge concern for US men in general and MRAs in particular, because feminists in high places e.g. Hilary Clinton, Janet Napolitano (recently yammering on about the danger from “lone wolves”!!!) will not hesitate to label MRAs as 7err0r1sts, if they feel like it.

There was a real scrap over this Bill in the Senate, Rand Paul got Amndt 1274 zapped – which would have allowed indefinite detention of people by the military AFTER they were ACQUITTED by a civilian court. No, really, that was on the table.

Diane Feinstein managed to get an exemptive amendment into section 1021 (if I recall correctly) for US citizens, but section 1022 remained unaltered in the final Bill and certainly provides enough leeway to disappear any inconvenient opponents of whichever regime is in power at the time, without charge or trial.

This link breaks it all down. http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/singleton/?mobile.html While reading it, bear in mind that all powers will be abused to their maximum extent, (the only uncertainties are when? And to whose profit, exactly?). A “7err0r1st” will be anyone the existing regime doesn’t like, and in the abscence of a fair trial the accused will never have the slightest chance to show they’re innocent. N.B.: you’ll notice that this law works on PRESUMPTION of GUILT!!

Two Marine Generals eloquently protest Bill 1687 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/opinion/guantanamo-forever.html

NDAA also contains provisions for the “rendition” of US citizens to anywhere in the world http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/did-congress-just-endorse-rendition-americans

Basically this is the Weimar Republic moment for the US. The POTUS has effectively accrued dictatorial powers. Any and all dissenters may now be disappeared without any accountability at all.

Apparently Obama was going to veto the Bill (because he didn’t feel it gave him enough power to arbitrarily detain) but has now changed his mind!

Unless this is overturned it’s the last gasp for freedom in the USA. :(

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Explore Nature January 3, 2012 at 01:20

People know these things well, but the gender hypocrisy does not allow people to accept the truth about sexuality and the society.

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Doc January 3, 2012 at 07:15

I learned long ago, that the only person I have to respect and who matters to me, is myself. As long as I can look myself in the eye, and know that I have behaved in a way keeping to the values I hold dear, that is all that matters.

So, I really couldn’t care less what women think or say. They are usually lying to themselves anyway – so if they will not be honest with themselves, why would I worry that they cannot be honest with anyone else?

Now, I love women – everything about them, in public and private – but when it comes to business, all of that gets turned off. I have seen too many men raked over the coals by some woman who is uncomfortable, and angry that their lives are a mess. So they look for someone else to blame, other than themselves. It’s sad – but the way of the world. So only outside of business can I be myself, and I still date women in their 20′s even though I am pushing 50. Why would a 20-year-old go out with me? The reason is simple – I do not kow-tow to them, I am who I am, and don’t play their games. To me, she is a woman and as such her role in my private life, is to make my life better, and to do everything she can to keep me happy. That is NATURAL for a woman, and they crave this simplicity. So given the choice of being with a boy who will bend to her whim, or a man who will hold her to his standard – they want to be measured against what it means to be a woman.

I see this as why there is so many women lamenting the “lack of men” and it really is a lack of “MEN”. There are so many men to attempt to be women, that it’s sickening. If I could say one thing to the present generation of men, it would be to be a “MAN”. And not the feminist concept of being a wimp – it is to be what being MALE is all about. Hunt, fish, play – as your ancestors did, and women will love you for it – or you can play their worthless games… That is a choice that men make – and they they have to live with.

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