Fourth Wave Feminism

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by Jack Donovan on December 11, 2011

When Cynthia Cockburn and Ann Oakley wrote about the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women this year, they decided to skip writing about violence against women.  Instead, they criticized the “culture of masculinity”—and men, generally—for perpetuating all forms of violence.

Feminists have nursed a perverse obsession with what men think and do for decades. They’ve had to, because the success of the feminist program has always been completely dependent on what bell hooks called “the will to change.” The female strategy has always been to nag and manipulate until men stop doing what men want to do and start doing what women want them to do.  Men caving and giving women what they want is as natural as salmon swimming upstream. It’s painful to watch but almost everyone does it eventually.

Industrialization, birth control, globalism and a First World shift to managerial and service economies allowed women to push past old boundaries and upend the balance between the sexes.

First Wave Feminists marched for the vote and property rights.  Feminists love marches, walks, and long candlelight vigils on the beach. Second Wave Feminists shouted “I am Woman” and stomped around for more exciting employment opportunities and the Gaia-given right to kill their babies.  Third Wave feminists stripped off the polyester pantsuits of yesteryear, got painted up like trash and went genderqueer.

Forth Wave feminism, already well underway, is a female coalitionary effort to control male behavior through public policy while wielding the threat of state-sponsored violence.

Feminists have long dreamed of a gender-neutral world of peaceful security, pleasure and plenty.  For years, they held to the idea that men and women were essentially the same and that traditional ideas about gender were as “lightly linked to sex as are the clothing, the manners, and the form of head-dress that a society at a given period assigns to either sex.” Patriarchal male culture could be blamed for all of the evil in the world, and our ancestors were all peaceful goddess-worshipping pansies.

Now that St. Margaret Mead has been all but discredited, only pink-haired stoners believe in peaceful prehistory, and “SCIENCE” keeps validating both tradition and common sense, feminist gender theory has run aground on the rocky shores of reality and punctured the hull of her Big-Boned Barbie cruise ship.

Feminists have needed to change directions to stay afloat, so they have slowly been conceding that men and women are, in fact, different. Today’s feminists brag about the things women do better than men.  The traveling sisterhood of the New Girl Order is proud that women have the kinds of traits that 21st century employers say they want.

Cynthia Cockburn and Ann Oakley want to you to understand that women are more peaceful than men, and men are more violent than women.

Men aren’t always content to march with candles; men are more likely to riot and loot. Oakley and Cockburn noted that 92% of the UK rioters this summer were male, and all of the rioters charged with violent offences were male. Cockburn and colleague then reported that men were responsible for 87% of traffic offences and 81% of speeding offenses. Citing prison statistics, they suggested that if men committed crimes leading to custodial sentences at the rate women did, their nation could save about £3.4 billion every year.

Cockburn and Oakley concluded with some conflicting commentary about testosterone and violence.

First, Cockburn and Oakley explained that, according to SCIENCE, testosterone is associated with status-seeking, but not necessarily with violence.

I’ve read the same studies and this may in fact be true. They failed to address the logical progression of status competition. As I’ve written, violence is golden because while it may not be the only way to resolve a given conflict, it is a definitive way to resolve a conflict. Violence beckons from the end of a path of escalation. You can beat me at checkers 30 times in a row, but somewhere in my frustrated gut I know that if I stand up and shoot you in the face, I win.  Game over. Violence is “the nuclear option.”

Violence is not merely a criminal or “anti-social” action. The use of force against criminals is merely the violence of the many against the one, disguised by the pretense of “justice.”

The same logic of escalation plays out in state vs. citizen conflicts. Even the most soft-spoken regime must carry a big stick. For instance, a gay liberal mayor can ask some protesters nicely again and again to stop camping in the park, but if they refuse again and again, eventually some kind of physical action—however “non lethal”—will be required to restore order.  Likewise, if kids are going to sit in the road and block traffic, eventually you have to break out the pepper spray and “negotiate” more aggressively.

There may be more chemical links between maleness and violence, but since Cockburn and Oakley are willing to accept that testosterone increases status competition, one could simply say that:

Male violence is the continuation of status competition by other means. (h/t Clausewitz)

After saying that testosterone doesn’t have to increase violence, for good measure Cockburn and Oakley suggest ways that male testosterone can be influenced.

Here’s the whole quote:

Testosterone, the male hormone, the “metaphor of manhood”, is portrayed as driving men inexorably towards aggressive behaviour. Yet studies show that testosterone is related to status-seeking but not directly to aggression. Many other factors are influential. Testosterone levels are increased or diminished in both males and females by diet, activity and circumstance. The opportunity to interact with guns, for instance, appears to increase testosterone, while men’s testosterone levels fall when they are involved with the care of children.

The case we are making is that certain widespread masculine traits and behaviours are dangerous and costly both to individuals and society. They are amenable to purposeful change. The culture of masculinity can be, and should be, addressed as a policy issue.

Some researchers believe that the average man’s testosterone level has plummeted over the past 20 years.  According to the MAYO clinic, normal testosterone levels help men maintain healthy bone density, fat distribution, muscle strength and mass, red blood cell production, sex drive and sperm produc tion. Testosterone can be increased naturally through weight training, and while most men experience a gradual decline in testosterone after age thirty, evidence suggests that weight training can help men can keep their levels higher for longer and possibly stave off some of the negative effects of aging. Unusually low testosterone levels in men are associated with coronary artery disease, aortic atherosclerosis, metabolic syndrome, obesity, diabetes, and depression.

Policy initiatives aimed at pacifying men by lowering male testosterone are a kindler, gentler alternative to castration, with the same net effect.  Men will have lower sex drives, lower sperm counts, and they will more often be fat, depressed and diabetic.  Feminist dreams of sleek, gender-neutral utopias will inevitably lead to more doughy bonobos and chunky Chaz Bonos playing out their endless manic-depressive melodramas in a big bean-flicking circle of sterility, sickness and desperation.

As far as I can tell, we’re half way there already.

It is true that Cockburn and Oakley did not state outright that male testosterone should be reduced as a matter of public policy. After addressing sex differences and testosterone, Cockburn and comrade slid back to the safety of Second and Third Wave feminism and recycled, blank slate rhetoric about changing the “culture of masculinity.”

However, if feminists recommend policy-based cultural and behavioral changes that lead to reduced testosterone, they achieve the same sickening, emasculating end. Fourth Wave feminism is about wielding the principal’s paddle—state power—as women attempt to mother males into helpless and obedient second class women. The feminists of the 1970s made moralistic arguments and pleaded for fairness and equality, but as women came to power their impatience with maleness and the reality of sex differences was evident.

The changes Cockburn and Oakley seem to recommend have already been made. The average man in the UK is not armed, and has probably never fired a handgun. In America, any hint of male interest in violence is frowned upon in the classroom. Christina Hoff Sommers brought an institutionalized anti-male bias in education to national attention over a decade ago, but little has changed. Males who show what in Mark Twain’s day would have been seen as a normal interest in fighting and combat are recommended for counseling or flagged as problem children. Boys with high energy are routinely diagnosed with “ADHD” and drugged. 8 year-old boys are suspended from school for possessing 4-inch toy guns made for action figures. A 7-year old was recently accused of sexual harassment for kicking a bully in the nuts. Professional feminists like Cockburn and Oakley are paid to advise schools and speak to young people about sexism and sexual harassment. Public and private universities run “My Strength is Not For Hurting” campaigns and seminars. Feminist Jackson Katz is even paid to teach the freaking Marines about “toxic masculinity.”

If men already have far lower average testosterone levels than they did a few decades ago, and males still act like males, how much more enforced cultural retraining will be necessary for feminists to be satisfied?

In light of obvious and persistent differences between the sexes, will feminists simply give up on their dream of a gender neutral world, and work towards a cultural harmony of the sexes instead of an artificially imposed “equality” of apples and oranges?

Not likely.

If men and women are different, the new feminism will simply conclude that men must be “fixed.”

For feminists, the answer to any problem with feminism is always more feminism.

 

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DCM December 11, 2011 at 03:23

Females will be the losers if testosterone levels decline since feminists depend on the time tested ability of females to get men to fight each other for females’ benefit.
This is essentialy what feminists do, since judges and cops are simply more powerful men than most fathers and husbands and feminists get the legal system to “protect” females by attacking less powerful men.

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Muk December 11, 2011 at 03:38

” Feminist dreams of sleek, gender-neutral utopias will inevitably lead to more doughy bonobos and chunky Chaz Bonos playing out their endless manic-depressive melodramas in a big bean-flicking circle of sterility, sickness and desperation.”

Lmao! Fucking GOLD

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AmStrat December 11, 2011 at 03:47

The other effect of testosterone is that it increases fairness.

In a double blind study, it was found that women who took testosterone acted more fairly, however, when they KNEW they were taking testosterone, real or placebo, they started to act unfairly.

The idea that testosterone = violence/I’ll take what I want is so strong in people’s minds.

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Carnivore December 11, 2011 at 04:04

And so soy milk is touted as ‘healthy’, soy protein is being put in tons of food, and feminizing hormones are in water.

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Pirran December 11, 2011 at 04:47

The Grauniad (as usual) producing the same old nauseatingly sexist rant complaining about the very nature of men. That it would be completely beyond contemplation to even think about discussing the nature of women in the MSM in the same way is hardly worth mentioning. These people really are vile.

As for the old shibboleth about a “crime dividend” from controlling the eveel patriarchy, I simply re-iterate a post I made here on that feminazi “comic” Gina Barreca’s similar observations:

“Of course, as any statistician will know, these asinine arguments can be dismissed with ease. How much of the said taxes is spent on cleaning up graffiti as opposed to, say, spending on government benefits (the vast majority of which goes to women), or child benefit, or Medicaid, or Medicare, or business grants for women only, or public sector employment (again, mainly favoring women)? Don’t even get started on the legalized man-theft that is the pension system.”

“Let’s propose a “gender hypothecated” tax amendment where men’s taxes (who disproportionately work in the private sector) could only be spent on men and women’s taxes (who disproportionately work in the public sector) could only be spent on women.

Any guesses at to how much men’s taxes would drop and women’s taxes would rise? We could even name it the Barreca amendment in her honor…”

God, how depressing that we can have to re-visit the same hypocritical nonsense time after time after time….

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Opus December 11, 2011 at 05:00

Last night I heard some shouting in the street, shortly after I had returned from the pub, (where I had been accosted by some woman on the pretext of her searching for a jacket – as if I was hiding it) so I felt compelled to see what was happening. I observed a group of six, divided into four woman, and separately a man and a woman. The lone female was successfully pushing the lone male away from the four women. When there was about fifteen yards distant between the two groups, the group of four women – led by the smallest and noisiest of them – charged the man and woman. On reaching the man and woman, the vociferous woman in the larger group threw a cup of coffee over the man, who did not respond. That was the end of the fracas, yet Friday was I think International Violence against Women day, again. I have still to see an attack on a woman by a man yet male-on-male and female-on-male violence as in this incident is common enough.

By the way (I don’t know about America) but yesterday was Muff March Day in London where a group of women marched to protect their muffs, (not on display – whilst of course at the same time drawing atttention to them). These must be winter-slut-walks, as it is cold here now and those girls really should be wearing their muffs (fur).

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Eincrou December 11, 2011 at 05:03

“International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women”

How dumb can they get? ELIMINATE violence against women, GLOBALLY?

What’s the time frame on this? Do they hope to eliminate violence against women for an hour? A day? FOREVER?

Don’t sell yourselves short, ladies. End violence for the rest of humanity!

If you had the magical powers to make this come about, and you were a self-righteous idealist to the point of agreeing with the above insanity, why not just go all the way?

Surely any arcane magicks which could eliminate violence against women, globally and forever, could easily have their enchantments rewritten to end violence against men. Then the violent victimization levels of men and women would be EQUAL at zero.

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AfOR December 11, 2011 at 05:04

Not sure I but into the nth wave stuff, just same old same old…

however…. you and everyone else keep talking about the wimminz, and seem to forget the niggerz…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072687/Men-control-partners-targeted-domestic-violence-crackdown.html

It ain’t just wimminz seeking power, it is niggerz seeking power…. some of the “stats” in that article are insane… a quarter of all wimminz will be abused, presumably this is not the same 25% of all wimminz who will be raped, if we can only find something the next 25% of wimminz suffer from, perhaps being unfuckably ugly, then the remaining 25% of wimminz can have jobs for life…

..oh, that was the idea all along of this “feminism” thing?

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Annonymous December 11, 2011 at 05:19

Efeminisation of males by their emasculation brought genderist societies the illusion of unlimited profitability, the illusion of economic expansion and the illusion of double digit growth year on year.

But it was all an illusion. No different to the illusions of communism, fascism, socialism etcetera. A system that does not and cannot pay for itself, because it is unsustainable from the onset, is an illusion.

And by the way, for all the male emasculation and effeminisation that this genderist system of ours deems it necessary to entrench, it still relies heavily on masculine brains and masculine hardmen to guard, to protect, to maintain, to develop and to enforce its very survival.

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JohnX December 11, 2011 at 05:35

The question to ask is to what extent females are causing the male violence. They certainly don’t help by sleeping around with dominant assholes and shunning sensitive nice guys. They are in effect rewarding and encouraging those traits. With sex, which is a very powerful motivator.

Not to mention all shit they (especially feminists) subject men to all the time.

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Zorro December 11, 2011 at 05:37

…and here was me remembering when men said “You can’t put a woman in a position of power because they get their periods and go crazy for four days every month” and were laughed at.

Now they blame testosterone. What retards women have become.

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Jim December 11, 2011 at 06:43

I can’t wait for this ship to crash.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself December 11, 2011 at 06:49

“The other effect of testosterone is that it increases fairness.”

I thought testosterone also improved, in part through increasing fairness, a man’s grasp on both logic and reality as well as limitations to improving fairness.

No wonder most K-12 and increasingly undergrad teaching faculty should be kicked to the curb; most only have X chromosomes, be it the typical XX, one X Turner’s syndrome females or XXX females (a female can also have three X chromosomes).

Why is all-X used for female chromosomal composition and Y is used for male chromosomal composition?

Because cunts always feel entitled to come before males, even in the alphabetical position of the letters used for sex chromosomes. I guess estrogen increases entitlement.

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American December 11, 2011 at 07:08

I was just reading an article about rising hermaphrodism in western males. When folks say they were born genderless, and or mixed genders, folks guess what, they might be telling the truth.
But science tells us this hermaprodism is not a good thing for any species (including humans).
The article stated that rising levels of estrogen in the water tables of western countries that are getting into the water through womens use of the birth control pill is f@#k in with sexual genders in the species that are ingesting the elevated levels of estrogen.
Folks, hermaphrodism is going to be the crises of the future.

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Rocco December 11, 2011 at 07:10

My memory began when in around 1965 and while I remember that quote Zorro as being something the news talked about, I never ever heard anyone actually say that in real life.

All of these waves of “feminism”, a 19th century social movement, are phases of women disengaging from men.

I don’t think this is about other men pushing some men out.

If you read between the lines one thing is for sure, women hate men, in all cultures, at all times.

Womens role = fool men into paying for stuff

Mens proper response = drop off grid (we made the grid so it’s not so hard)

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American December 11, 2011 at 07:13

Folks, elevated levels of estrogen leeching into the water tables of western countries is a biological disaster. We are only witnessing the beginning of widespread hermaprodism in American males.

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Rocco December 11, 2011 at 07:53

OT

Here’s an article trying to convince us that letting women get away with murder isn’t increasing murders of men and that the fact that women no longer even feel the need to make an excuse to kill their husbands isn’t an escalation of the violence being done legally to men every day now, but, probably without reading carefully there is this:

. “Among women charged with homicide in 1993, 71 per cent of the victims were related to the offender domestically, compared with 24 per cent of the men.”

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Special+report+women+kill/5843265/story.html#ixzz1gF2w5gGO

So men are 3 x more likely to be murdered at home by their wives than they, if they are going to commit murder, murder their wives.

Or seen another way: It is women who are the domestic terrorists.

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Eric J Schlegel December 11, 2011 at 08:04

Q-If men already have far lower average testosterone levels than they did a few decades ago, and males still act like males, how much more enforced cultural retraining will be necessary for feminists to be satisfied?

A-”The meaning of Power is a boot stomping on a face forever”

Also, has anyone here made use of an over the counter drug called DHEA? I have, and I was wondering if anyone else here has had any results with it…

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Charles Martel December 11, 2011 at 08:05

……feminist gender theory has run aground on the rocky shores of reality and punctured the hull of her Big-Boned Barbie cruise ship.

Big-Boned Barbie! Hilarious, Jack. Comic genius!

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Beltain December 11, 2011 at 08:49

Incarceration and crime stats mean nothing to those of us in the know. How many men are incarcerated due to biased laws and unequal enforcement?

As for the traffic violations it’s the women that are the ones given an alternative breathalyzer tube and a quick get out of jail move.

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Jaego Scorzne December 11, 2011 at 09:15

How did the Police used to respond to two men fighting – say outside a bar on a Friday night? There seems to have been a change to zero tolerance for brawling, but I’m not sure exaxtly how it changed or how they used to deal with it. And even in the case of assualt, they often don’t seem to care that you were just defending yourself. And what do your rights mean if you don’t even have the right to defend yourself? And part of that may entail going on the offensive and injuring the other party.

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LJ December 11, 2011 at 09:18

“[...] men’s testosterone levels fall when they are involved with the care of children.”

Put men back in the family, problem solved.

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Aharon December 11, 2011 at 09:49

good piece Jack.

“… a gay liberal mayor… ”
— would that be as one example; Sam Adams mayor of Portland?

“The opportunity to interact with guns, for instance, appears to increase testosterone, while men’s testosterone levels fall when they are involved with the care of children’.
— That is hysterical. I can only imagine the response to the above if I posted that on one of the pro gun blogs on the web with many of those guys being white knights.

“… certain widespread masculine traits and behaviours are dangerous and costly both to individuals and society. The culture of masculinity can be, and should be, addressed as a policy issue”
— (sarcasm on) Let’s ignore the costly feminine traits and behaviors that are damaging to the individual, families, and the nation…

“Feminist Jackson Katz is even paid to teach the freaking Marines about “toxic masculinity.””
— Feminists are the modern day version of the snake oil peddler promising a cure if you buy her magic potion.

“For feminists, the answer to any problem with feminism is always more feminism”.
— The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over that repeatedly causes failure and an undesired result again and again.

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MRA December 11, 2011 at 10:25

“Men aren’t always content to march with candles; men are more likely to riot and loot. Oakley and Cockburn noted that 92% of the UK rioters this summer were male, and all of the rioters charged with violent offences were male. Cockburn and colleague then reported that men were responsible for 87% of traffic offences and 81% of speeding offenses. Citing prison statistics, they suggested that if men committed crimes leading to custodial sentences at the rate women did, their nation could save about £3.4 billion every year.”

What about most of these men (specially teens and young) coming from unwed moms household raised without any male role in their lives? what about mayor sentence men face for the same crime that women just for being men? if men could commit a crime and go way with like women the nation could save X3 3.4 billions every year.

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MRA December 11, 2011 at 10:40

Feminist and women in general believe they can categorized violence, always when it benefit them of course, when their feels are hurts they demand violence from a man to make revenge, these same feminist are the one demanding policeMEN to protect women from sexual assault, demand federals laws for special FE-privileges, “it is violence but I the one who can tell what it is and what it is not” it what they try to say then coming demanding men “be a man” bull shit.

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DCM December 11, 2011 at 11:02

“American December 11, 2011 at 07:13

Folks, elevated levels of estrogen leeching into the water tables of western countries is a biological disaster. We are only witnessing the beginning of widespread hermaprodism in American males.”

This wasn’t planned, as some may think. It’s the result of female medications, including birth control pills, being flushed and excreted into wastewater and was first noticed in disproportionate numbers of female fish and amphibians.
Most rivers and lakes in developed countries are treated sewage, which is better than raw sewage as in times past and places undeveloped, but the original of treatments in use now were devised in the 1800s when disease organisms were the main danger. By the 1920s people were becoming aware of poisonous industrial waste in water, which is now being dealt with.
When I retired from the water treatment field about 10 years ago they were begining to be aware of the dangers in hormones and looking for treatments. I don’t know what’s been done since then because I haven’t kept up. Probably legislation that will cause further problems.
You can likely get rid of chemicals, including hormones, by distilling the water — boiling it and condensing the steam. This will certainly kill all bacteria and viruses and other disease organisms. Just keep your equipment clean.
Maybe the liberals will make private distillation illegal along with incandescent bulbs.

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Boxer December 11, 2011 at 11:12

Excellent writing, Jack. I always enjoy your contributions to the spearhead.

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keyster December 11, 2011 at 11:24

They envy men for being more physically capable and mentally competent at carrying out violent acts. Much like men are better at sports. If women were as physically strong and as adept (or interested) in combat and weaponry, they would be just as violent, if not more so.

Seeking government control of men, is feminism’s answer to the physical inequality that they can’t deny. The government is the woman’s proxy physical equalizer. Other fronts, such as Affirmative Action quotas and Equal Pay are the competence and work ethic equalizers.

Gender Equality in it’s purest sense is every feminist’s worst nightmare, because they know that innate inequalities would then be exposed. That’s in part the strategy of 3rd wave feminism’s march; exploiting traditional chivalry to protect her flanks. This is when many 2nd waver’s (such as Friedan) dropped from the movement altogether. Using sexual power to keep momentum defied feminism by definition, but it’s what 3rd wave feminists saw was appealing to women and necessary to adapt the movement to the times.

The other prong of 4th wave feminism is “The Good Man Project” and other ideologically liberal organizations and authors that seek to indocrinate more young and impressionable men into feminism, or accepting their guilt and helping exalt women as pure equals, if not superior beings.

Not surprisingly, they remain silent when “family values” social conservatives tell men to “Man-up” and take (patriarchal) charge of their families, by assigning the wife financial dependence on her husband.

Anything that’s good for women is good for feminism, regardless of what it does to men, boys and society in general. That’s the bottom line.

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Mickey T December 11, 2011 at 11:43

I wonder if the girls considered the effects that lowering men’s testosterone levels would have on their livelihood of being “sex workers”.

If it weren’t for the irrepressible instinct men have to care for, and “save” women, it would have been gratifying to watch them self-destruct a long, long time ago.

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Jaego Scorzne December 11, 2011 at 12:45

Front page article in Britain claims that 37% of the people raped in the US Army are men. Are they lying about it? Or is the article wrong about there being a problem to begin with? I think having gender equality in the Army is insane and that it might well lead to all kinds of problems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military

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Lara Zhivago December 11, 2011 at 12:53

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perhaps December 11, 2011 at 13:20

A common feminist theory of men is that they are driven and turned on by violence and rape, and irredeemably so, and therefore that all men are potential rapists and criminals is the standard line.

Then only the threat of guaranteed punishment makes most men try to control their urges to hurt and degrade women.

Thus the usual assumption that men have it coming: every rape accusation must be true at least “objectively” because every man would enjoy raping given the opportunity, every domestic abuse accusation must be true at least “objectively” because every man would enjoy being abusive given the opportunity.

Men are considered by many women (and quite a few manginas and white knights) as dangerous, feral beasts who are always on the verge of exploding into vileness, and who even enjoy just just actual attacks, but even the terror that every woman feels for their potential attacks, terror that is well justified by their everyday experiences of abusive and harassing actual attacks from men.

Therefore there have been very explicit proposals to solve the problem at the root: either by aborting all male fetuses save for a few to let grow to maturity in secure compounds where they would be isolated from their potential victims and made to produce for sperm banks, or to castrate all men chemically or otherwise after they have deposited at puberty a sample in a sperm bank.

As the SCUM story shows, there have been rather more radical proposals too.

This is little more than an extension to men of all skin colors of the logic behind the past lynchings of dark skinned men who threatened with their gazes light skinned women, or of the logic of the “burqua”.

The goal is always to improve the world by removing, one way or another, the fear of the bestial hunger that men are assumed by many women to have for violating and degrading women.

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Tom936 December 11, 2011 at 13:24

Cockburn and colleague then reported that men were responsible for 87% of traffic offences and 81% of speeding offenses.

Which they simply take at face value. As if every traffic offense resulted in a ticket. As if they never heard of a traffic cop letting someone off with a warning.

When traffic cameras were installed to automatically catch and ticket speeders, the proportion of females ticketed tripled. Tripled. It wasn’t just a few very pretty girls flirting their way out of tickets. It was wholesale favoritism.

The habitual use of this sort of sleight of hand has completely discredited sociology.

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RMM December 11, 2011 at 13:40

@Lara

“So, until he acts with more honour and integrity, would it be fair for me to read what he writes to be nothing but vitriolic drivel?”

You can do whatever the hell you want, really. Why should we care?

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Gilgamesh December 11, 2011 at 13:47

Men aren’t always content to march with candles; men are more likely to dump crates of tea into the Boston Harbor. You follow?

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Lara Zhivago December 11, 2011 at 13:59

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Aharon December 11, 2011 at 14:04

“… is too petrified to hold an honest conversation with a feminist whom does not fit his definition of feminism…”

There goes another boring feminist using the old shamming tactic attempt to control a man. We’ve heard it many times before that so and so named man is scared of this, petrified of that, terrified of blah blah blah. Boring. While it is true that there are more type, school of thought err emotional behavior, or definition of feminism it is also true that feminists are generally incapable of having an honest conversation on most issues. The reason is that their religious ideologies are based on a distortion of the facts, hysteria, an attitude that any ends justify the means to achieving their feminist supremacist utopia, an ignorance of men/women/human nature, irrational reasoning, and well you get the idea.

Lara, please use a napkin to wipe up your drivel. It’s gross.

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poester99 December 11, 2011 at 14:10

Why are you all on such a pity party,

hmm… relationship advice from a feminist…
Yep.. Sounds legit..

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Aharon December 11, 2011 at 14:16

“Who is ‘we’?”
— We Lara are the men of the Men’s Movement and more specifically the MRA at this site. Obviously, as a feminazi, you are not used to men sticking up for another man especially when another crazy female is barking away.

“Anyway, no worries, my apologies. If he enjoys his victimhood, thats fine!”
— There you go again with your attempts to shame, humiliate, and manipulate a man to doing what you want. Your public posting here fools no one. It is obvious you are trying to play the victim here so you can now stop trying to top from the bottom.

Wipe up your drivel and run along.

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Aharon December 11, 2011 at 14:25

“Why are you all on such a pity party, when you could simply choose to be more honest, more forthright and get more sex, based on fully informed consensual agreements, that benefits you and the woman?”

OMG, another crackpot feminist. That post was hysterical. These feminists and their stories. You guys notice how Lara keeps mentioning others needing to be honest and have an honest conversation? I can smell the feminist bs coming from my computer screen when I read her posts.

Hey men, I’m outa here to go for a long walk. Later.

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Mr. Freeze December 11, 2011 at 14:28

Lara said:

“Interesting. I am a feminist; whose definition of feminism, and actions in according to her definition of feminism do not fit any of the descriptions of behaviour of Mr. Donovan’s feminists; to the contrary.”

Maybe that’s because Feminists seem to be unwilling or unable to honestly examine their motives and methods in a way which might question the logic that All Women Are Innocent.

Their self-absorbed, image-obssessed double-standards and blatantly opportunistic hypocrisies, coupled with their willful cognitive dissonance and over-inflated self-esteem, have rendered them incapable of any sort of honest introspection.

Though granted, Feminists don’t hold a monopoly on such assholism …

But they sure as hell have perfected it.

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Mickey T December 11, 2011 at 14:35

” If women were as physically strong……….they would be just as violent…”

About 1.2 million unborn babies are hacked up, dismembered, skulls crushed, rendered brainless by suction tubes……..and discarded as medical waste every year in this country by women. That’s 3,200 EVERYDAY of the year. They didn’t physically slaughter the babies, but they are responsible for it. Would we say Hitler wasn’t “violent”?

Look at Cleopatra, she had her own brother and sister killed so she could keep her throne. Look at Margaret Thatcher….Indira Ghandi…….Eva Peron……….

Give them the opportunity, and they may just prove they are MORE violent than men.

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JFP December 11, 2011 at 14:41

“Why are you all on such a pity party, when you could simply choose to be more honest, more forthright and get more sex, based on fully informed consensual agreements, that benefits you and the woman?”

Until such time as it benefits the woman to lie about making a fully informed consensual agreement with said beer belly bro. Coyote ugly for women is not scrambling home and during the walk of shame swear to never drink again. Its a walk of shame that days/weeks later ends up at the police station claiming “rape” to avoid the fact that they just might be a slut who slept with a ugly/low status guy.

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evilwhitemalempire December 11, 2011 at 14:45

women attempt to mother males into helpless and obedient second class women.

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The only way they can get above us.

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Mickey T December 11, 2011 at 14:45

I forgot:
Let’s not give them a cop-out by saying “IF women……”
Anyone who intentionally causes a violent act, IS VIOLENT!

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Jack Donovan December 11, 2011 at 15:05

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Highwasp December 11, 2011 at 15:08

Lara

“Why are you all on such a pity party, when you could simply choose to be more honest, more forthright and get more sex, based on fully informed consensual agreements, that benefits you and the woman?”

Uh let me think on this for a second – oh yeah how about said beer belly having no procreative rights if she gets pregnant? consider 18 years living with the option of funding her decision or living in a cage… yeah that makes me want to propose sex up front – oh wait then there’s the risk for accusations of sexual harassment, back to the cage – not to mention rape or false rape charges if she decides he didn’t meet her requirements…

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Anonymous Reader December 11, 2011 at 15:24

DHEA is a very important steroid hormone. Here is a protocol that has much information.
http://www.lef.org/protocols/metabolic_health/dhea_restoration_01.htm

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b-nasty December 11, 2011 at 15:25

@Eric J Schlegel

On DHEA:

I’ve been taking 50mg/d for about a year, and I finally got around to a full blood test that included DHEAS and estradiol levels. Turns out, my DHEAS level was about double what it should be, and my estradiol level was high as well. I assume since my T levels were decent (midrange free and serum) the DHEA was hitting the estradiol pathway instead.

Since I don’t want to start liking ‘The Notebook’ and growing tits, I cut the DHEA supp. Though it’s touted as a miracle supplement for those low in DHEAS, I would highly recommend not adding this unless you know you are deficient (and probably older than me: 31).

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RMM December 11, 2011 at 15:26

@Lara

We were having a conversation. And by “we”, since apparently you need clarification, I mean everyone who was posting before you arrived.

We’re interested in honest conversation. We just not interested in talking with you, as it’d be a waste of time.

Got it yet?

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Robert Marsh December 11, 2011 at 15:42

It made me laugh at the irony when I read that one of the females was called Anne Oakley! Annie Oakley was the famous female sharpshooter that toured in the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show in the late 1800′s. The play “Annie Get Your Gun” is loosely based on her life.

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Jack Donovan December 11, 2011 at 15:47

Lara is hilarious.

poe December 11, 2011 at 16:09

Jack, that was a wonderful article. I see you’re getting the attention of professional trolls, please keep it up!

Vortec spewed:

I am shocked.

you are certainly a paragon of cognitive dissonance.
First of all, how do you commune with nature without noting that death is an important aspect of life, including the taking of life for sustenance. If you are dead set (no pun intended) against that you also have no respect for nature.
Secondly, a fetus is not a real person until some sort of silver cord, first breath bullshit? That throws medicine completely on it’s head because there are all sorts of situations where people not able to breath, or live on their own without the help of machines, but are still considered people.

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poester99 December 11, 2011 at 16:10

Please correct the posting name of the above posting from “poe”

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Muk December 11, 2011 at 16:16

She sounds like a nutjob to me…

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poester99 December 11, 2011 at 16:21

Since I don’t want to start liking ‘The Notebook’ and growing tits, I cut the DHEA supp. Though it’s touted as a miracle supplement for those low in DHEAS, I would highly recommend not adding this unless you know you are deficient (and probably older than me: 31).

Eggs (for cholesterol) and butter, reasonable amounts
Brazil Nuts (selenium)
Vitamin D 5000IU
Cod Liver Oil
cold showers (as cold as you can stand, for as long as you can stand)
and big muscle group weight training (Squats)

http://www.4hourlife.com/2011/03/11/testosterone-four-hour-body-sex-machine-cheat-sheet/

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poester99 December 11, 2011 at 16:25

Lara Zhivago December 11, 2011 at 15:22
@Jack
Nice cliche Jack! ..

Now correct me if I’m wrong, but I think she likes you…

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Avenger December 11, 2011 at 16:50

‘Cockburn and Oakley concluded with some conflicting commentary about testosterone and violence’

This is all bullshit and they’re just making all of this stuff up. Do you really believe that there was ever any “study” where they took a large sample of men, measuresd T levels and then after the men took care of kids measured it again and it turned out to be lower? It’s all bullshit and disinformation.
T levels like other lab tests are measued in a range of what is considered normal. The normal range of T is 200-800 in lab tests. The man who has 200 is normal and the guy with 800 is normal and no the guy with the 800 level is not more “manly” than the other because the norm for each individul and how their body handles the T is different.
Lab results really don’t mean very much in the absence of signs of a disease.

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b-nasty December 11, 2011 at 17:03

@poester99

Thanks for the link. As an avid zero/low-carb-er, I’ve been doing most of those things. I also take Mg and Zn supplements on occasion, though I try not to get too much zinc.

@Avenger

That’s only partially true. Even the pretty conservative Life Extension Foundation thinks T levels should be in the upper 1/3 of the ‘normal’ lab range (http://www.lef.org/protocols/male_reproductive/male_hormone_restoration_01.htm) ‘Manliness’ may not result, but T is extremely important in men, helping to prevent atherosclerosis, weight gain, diabetes, muscle wasting, and of course, bitch-tits.

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Venom Froggy December 11, 2011 at 17:26

@Lara Zhivago:
QUOTE:

@JohnX

I know a brutally honest nice guy – with a beer belly – who happens to attract women to him due to his simple brutal honesty. He doesn’t play bullshit manipulative games, doesn’t lie about wanting to spend forever with them; just is brutally honest: he is attracted to them, and would like to know if they are interested in sex. If not initially, he is not offended, he says: let me know if you change your mind. He’s slept with over 500 women, many of them considered by other men to be ‘status fucks’.

Do you think his brutal honesty and avoidance of mindfuck passive aggressive manipulative bullshit works; cause women know where they stand, and can make a fully informed decision; and subsequently enjoy the sex, without strings, and being totally spontaneous?

Why are you all on such a pity party, when you could simply choose to be more honest, more forthright and get more sex, based on fully informed consensual agreements, that benefits you and the woman?

UNQUOTE

Well, Lara, the reason why most of us don’t engage in the brutal honesty you women claim to desire is because you ladies are full of shit.

Most of you claim to want us men to be honest with you, but when we are, you want GAME. Only a small minority of men are able to get away with the audacity this fat fellow was able to display.

Also, there’s the little fact that women absolutely hate male virgins and/or any male who doesn’t deliver in the sack.

If he fails or if he turns out to be a fake bad boy, that woman will have NO REMORSE turning him over to the cops for “raping” her.

But do you ladies care? No.

So what good are you and what good is your touching little story about this fat fuck at the bar who happens to be the EXCEPTION instead of the RULE? None.

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Pops December 11, 2011 at 17:42

“I know a brutally honest nice guy – with a beer belly – who happens to attract women to him due to his simple brutal honesty.”

You allegedly know such a guy. Of course, if such brutal honesty actually worked, men would utilize it widespread. But it is common for femists to argue points by citing alleged personal experiences and treat such alleged experiences as proof even if actual professional research says otherwise.

They then label references to professional research to counter their alleged personal experiences as “gaslighting”. But I seriously doubt that you know such a guy and you yourself, in an attempt to prove a point, are not being honest.

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Muk December 11, 2011 at 17:45

@lara:
Lmao! I love it!!
You get a great green thumb up from me with that response

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Rmaxd December 11, 2011 at 18:19

@ Lara Another feminist tests the waters on a mra site, before sending her hordes of eunuch’d single moms …

Oh yea, Lara your gender studies were wrong … theres no such a thing as lesbianism, its just mutual masturbation, just like marxism & feminism …
women cant even get masturbation right, they need cancer causing bpa filled plastic toys & braindamaged women posing as homosexuals …

Lesbianism = entitled chick too brainwashed by feminism to satisfy a real penis …

Feminism = Retarded lesbian worshipper, the gender politic version of creationism … gets owned by every known field of science daily … & then some

Radfem = White women who hate white nationalists & mangina’s equally … we thank radfems for being too retarded to co-opt white nationalists & other pussy worshipping cops & judges … actually we thank them for being too stupid to co-opt any allies …

4th wave feminism = Women stupidly Enabled social engineers to screw over our education system, & usher in strip searching TSA agents & a brutal police state filled with pussy worshipping cops & judges

Thanks for outdoing Orwell’s brave new world, hordes of muslims & spear throwing africans will eventually wipe single moms as they destroy our communities

Fortunately for us the vast majority of whites are still farmers, & retain the agarian cultures of our ancestors

It is they along with men everywhere who will stand against the hordes of social engineers & their manginas

& rebuild our societies

Ok so the french revolution was an artificially engineered event, but the conditions behinds its success are the same today, the sheer brutality of the unjust

Lara hope you enjoyed your gender realist lesson … now go beg for some seed … ask your brain damaged homosexuals for directions

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Geography Bee Finalist himself December 11, 2011 at 18:56

Cynthia Cockburn’s last name sounds like a nasty venereal disease to me. I can’t picture too many guys putting it in that snatch with that last name and her idiocy.

If Cockburn is a maiden name retained after marriage, she deserves all the derision she gets for this decision to retain her maiden name. What a retard.

If she threw away her maiden name like a used-up diaphragm (we all know chicks who want to move closer to the beginning of alphabetical order but who can’t get an “A” or a “B” at the beginning of the guy’s last name will settle for a “C”), then I hope it was more than worth it given the derision she deserves. Remember that females are probably statistically less likely to downgrade alphabetically after marriage than upgrade, because women are more alphabetist than men.

My mother threw her maiden name beginning with “V” in the dumpster in 1977 in exchange for a last name that begins with “L.” I don’t think my mother would have given a more-alphabetically-challenged man than she was during her formative years the time of day back then.

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buggeroff11 December 11, 2011 at 19:23

Lara Zzzzzzz ……omg you lost us at ‘I am a feminist’ If you were anything like you say you are, the LAST thing you would be is a feminist! you would be ‘a woman’ with zero need to be propped up with falsehoods & nowhere near that male hate and hypocrisy that IS feminism.

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Anonymous age 69 December 11, 2011 at 19:40

Here in Mexico you can buy testosterone without a prescription. It comes in a gel, which you rub into your skin once a day. The instructions show where to rub it, and it is not on the genitalia.

In the US, they (correctly) sell it for older men who have reduced energy and ambition, and other issues, as well as reduced libido. In Mexico, it is advertised and described only for erectile problems, knowing their macho market.

I bought it. A two week supply, a small envelope a day, costs around $40. I tried an envelope the first day, and worked frantically cleaning the house until midnight, proving the stuff really does give energy.

To understand this, you need to know I DO NOT CLEAN HOUSE, PERIOD. My wife and I have a division of labor agreement. If she wishes to clean the house, she has my permission; and I watch while she does it.

So, now I take half an envelope a day, which means the package for around $40 lasts a month. I have more energy, but I don’t do stupid things like cleaning the house. It would make more sense if I took estrogen, no?

It does help with libido issues. Normally, without it, (see my age) I “peter out” (pun intended) after 3 or 4 minutes with my wife, same age as I am. With it, I get the job done.

I think I need to try a double blind experiment to see if I need testosterone to get the job done with a young chick. Heh, heh.

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andybob December 11, 2011 at 19:41

I know a brutally honest nice guy…just is brutally honest…his brutal honesty… – Lara Zhivago

If only Ms Zhivago were aware how easily feminists like her condemn themselves. I have no doubt that the thug-hungry females of her aquaintance have lined up to spread for this brutally brutal brute

Of course, no-one at The Spearhead would ever doubt that it is because he is a really nice guy.

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Avenger December 11, 2011 at 20:30

@poester99 and nasty

Medical conditions and diseases are almost all the result of aging and there’s mot much you can do about it. There are no hormones, vitamins, or drugs that are going to turn you into a potent 18yo. If you take T then your body will shut down it’s own natural production and you’ll also be more prone to cancer which is why doctors don’t fool around with it except in cases where a man is really becoming feminised and even here the underlying cause has to be found eg. pituitary tumour, cancer etc and even when no cause is found you have to weigh the pros and cons of giving T.
You’ll find a million things on the internet where people claim (usually hucksters trying to sell something) that a certain chemical will cure this or that but none of this is science where you have to actually prove something and it must be reproducible. You have to prove efficacy and safety, at least within acceptable levels.
Alternative medicine? It’s called alternative because none of it has been shown to be any more effective than a placebo and is usually dangerous. Anything that really worked and was relatively safe would have been incorporated into mainstrem medicine as a treatment or cure. Even in China the doctors practise mainstream western medicine and only rarely throw in something from traditional medicine. That traditional stuff is sold in shops much like the vitamin stuff is sold in the US.

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Bob Smith December 11, 2011 at 21:06

“Citing prison statistics, they suggested that if men committed crimes leading to custodial sentences at the rate women did, their nation could save about £3.4 billion every year”

This is grossly in error: men get custodial sentences at a much higher rate than women do. If women got custodial sentences at the rate they should, they’d cost the UK’s prison system billions of pounds a year. The US, btw, shows the same skewed sentencing.

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Charles Martel December 11, 2011 at 21:09

Avenger
……Anything that really worked and was relatively safe would have been incorporated into mainstrem medicine as a treatment or cure.

Well, I’ll have to disagree. Mainstream medicine – big pharma, etc. – is all about making money. So…..“Anything that really worked and was relatively safe and profitable would have been incorporated into mainstrem medicine”

The problem with alternative medicine is that it does not get tested by clinical trials and so it’s not possible to know if any particular treatment actually works.

But – and it’s a big but – any alternative treatment that shows promise but can not be made profitable never will be tested.

Just one example. Statins, possibly the most profitable class of drugs ever developed, may be nothing more than analogues of Vitamin D. But you can be damn sure that no-one in mainstream medicine will ever test this hypothesis. Doctors tiptoe around this idea as they know it’s a career-ender.

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Rocco December 11, 2011 at 21:09

@ Avenger

I agree, I spoke with a specialist in this, a urologic endocrinologist and he told me the testosterone craze is a craze. He said it’s rare that sexual function is as simple as increasing testosterone and you are correct, the feedback cycle would shut the testicles down.

One thing is for sure, testosterone makes prostate cancers grow faster. One of the main treatments for inoperable prostate cancer is bilateral orchiectomy.

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Avenger December 11, 2011 at 22:15

Well, I’ll have to disagree. Mainstream medicine – big pharma, etc. – is all about making money

There are problems with big pharma and of course it’s a business. Medicine is too and like any business there are always doctors who will push a certain drug if the drug co. gives them some money but this doesn’t mean that all of the drugs they produce are junk and the stuff your local witchdoctor brews up is better.

“But – and it’s a big but – any alternative treatment that shows promise but can not be made profitable never will be tested.”

Then how would you know it’s of any use outside of the claims of some doctor running a clinic in Bangledesh? If something really worked even big pharma can’t ignore it.
Medicine is conservative and moves at a snail’s pace probably because so may things in the past looked good at the time and turned out to be useless or harmful. But big pharma is not the only one doing research so if anything looks promising it will eventually be noticed. Big pharma is just the business end.
In the 80′s a doctor in Australia claimed that he had proof that ulcers were caused by bacteria. It was ignored for a long time but eventually it became accepted in medicine and now the treatment is antibiotics.
All of those drugs produced to treat ulcers by big pharma based on controlling stomach acid had to be abandoned. These drugs are now not prescription drugs and are sold OTC as antacids. The drug companies lost this business when cheap antibiotics cured the ulcer in a few weeks.

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Bob Smith December 11, 2011 at 22:34

“the feedback cycle would shut the testicles down”

That’s no different than what happens to hypothryoid people when they take thyroid supplements: their natural thryoid production shuts down completely in the presence of supplements. They are still better off with proper thyroid levels, albeit artificially maintained, than they are suffering from low natural thyroid levels.

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Jack Donovan December 11, 2011 at 22:37

@Geography Bee Finalist himself

“Cynthia Cockburn’s last name sounds like a nasty venereal disease to me. ”

I used the name as many times in the article as possible. I had to look her up to make sure I wasn’t reading an Onion satire. Her name is Cynthia Cockburn. OF COURSE SHE IS A FEMINIST. It was her destiny from birth.

And OF COURSE her writing partner is named Ann(ie?) Oakley. It’s so perfect I couldn’t even make it up!

Geography Bee Finalist himself December 11, 2011 at 22:47

@ Jack Donovan

I apologize for your need to shout at me. No hard feelings. My youth hometown in upstate New York from 1981-1999 is, in fact, Menands or MEN AND “S.” Another coincidence.

I can take any joke about my last name, at least. Feminists can’t take a joke about anything.

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Jack Donovan December 12, 2011 at 01:07

This is actually getting good.

This is a special kind of crazy.

I guess 5th wave feminism is all about paramilitary Amish sadomasochism.

Feminism 5: A film collaboration by Bruce La Bruce and Takashi Miike

Migu December 12, 2011 at 01:47

Lara may be sock puppet for a troll named frieda.

She was at the NiceGuy’s a few weeks ago

Same style and grandiose stories.

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Migu December 12, 2011 at 02:21

Hmmm you’d think I’d know those guys. Then again I was just a Sapper.

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andybob December 12, 2011 at 02:36

Every now and then, a feminist descends upon us. She often declares that her aim is honest and fair debate – but somewhere along the line, she reveals that her opinion of us was formed long before she arrived. It is usually our ‘failure’ to gasp in awe at the wisdom emanating from her Golden Vagina that ends the charade.

Ms Lara Zhivago has been delivered by an MRA god to remind us never to underestimate the gaping maw of feminist narcissism and depravity. We urge newbies not to step too close. It takes a bit of experience to deal with borderline princesses – especially when they begin ranting about the Pentagon (and its dependence on her expertise in regard to Amish zombies and broodsows).

A few points:
a) The sky is blue, water is wet, and our guest feminist issues foot-stomping demands that she alone sets the parameters of the discussion.

b) The attempts to convince us that eridite, rapier-witted Mr Jack Donovan, published author and long-time Spearhead contributer, would back away from debating a mentally fragile hysteric for any reason other than it’s sheer pointlessness.

c) No woman spends a year in prison for failing to give evidence unless she is refusing to testify against her crack-dealing pimp thug-daddy (and only then if she tried to knife the judge). So, I think we can safely dismiss the ‘testimonial’ about her ‘honour’.

d) It is achingly typical for a feminist to denigrate the concept of men’s rights by making some irrelevant and utterly obtuse reference – such as Prince Charming with the beergut.

e) Note how easily Ms Zhivago makes dark allusions to being poorly used by Mr Donovan in some murky, unspecified way. Beast.

f) The obscure reference to the hunting knife foreplay is where I knew for certain that Ms Zhivago is another sad creature that feminism has undhinged. The Pentagon enquiries clinched it.

If only Ms Zhivago and her ilk knew just how much the good men and women of The Spearhead really do long for an honest and logical debate with a feminist. Sadly, we are subjected to nothing more than the peurile rants from cretins like Ms Zhivago who offer nothing more than illogical feminist hatred, entitlement and lies. That is something we already knew.

As I wrote earlier, feminists comdemn themselves so skilfully that it is sometimes difficult to understand how they manage to maintain so much sway over our world. Another excellent article Mr Donovan. You anger feminists so much that some of them come undone. Now that is genuine talent.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself December 12, 2011 at 03:09

“Ms Lara Zhivago has been delivered by an MRA god”

You sure she wasn’t delivered by a feminazi she-devil instead? We all know that hell is supermajority female. Trying to get laid in heaven by a chick is going to be tough, as women have worse moral character than men. Ms. Lara Zhivago has adequately proven that point of mine.

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Bsimpson December 12, 2011 at 04:03

On a sort of aside but still connected to the fourth wave, I have seen the media pick up its attacks’ on the “mom’s can do it all” front.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ny-times-takes-a-look-at-successful-newswoman-and-mom-megyn-kelly/

Catalogs how Megan Kelly does it…. long story short with a stable of other, assuming, women to do all the other womanly things that should be done. She has a nanny.

It’s fun to note that the article in question implies that moms don’t have to choose. I guess having a nanny isn’t a choice now.

Also noteworthy, I love the little snippet of the hubby quitting a career, as a Doctor, to become a novelist and referring to Megan as “Ms. Kelly”. Completely dropping the Mrs. for Ms. is an error I would expect my 4 year old to make, so I’ll take it as intentional. Separately, they seem benign, but together they give in an insight into the mind of the “journalist” who wrote it.

In all the hub-dub I forgot to see who wrote the original NY Times article… I bet it was a woman, let me go see.

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Transhuman December 12, 2011 at 04:04

The few, not all, of Lara’s posts seem to be desperate self-justification. I wonder why she is concerned that men might speak amongst themselves about matters that concern men, and not take a feminist’s opinion as being truthful or terribly relevant.

I skimmed over her copious use of attempted shaming language, I really think she has no idea how she appears in print. The “knights of honour” made me chuckle though. No Lara, there will not be any white knights coming to your rescue. They belong to an era when women had responsibilities and took them seriously and, in turn, men would make sacrifices for them. Educated men of the 21st century know better.

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Bsimpson December 12, 2011 at 04:06

PAMELA PAUL is who wrote it…. hah…surprising…

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Lara Zhivago December 12, 2011 at 04:19

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Anonymous December 12, 2011 at 04:20

Lara seems to be stuck somewhere in the crossfire of 2 differing generations of feminism.
The “Equality” feminism of yesteryear has been paved over with angry Gender, “gender-Raunch” feminism.
The Real perversion lies in the fact that American law enforcement is re-defining what the meaning of is, is, and using protocol perversions and semantics games that serve to manufacture Empowerment rhetoric for the Gender-Raunch community.

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Opus December 12, 2011 at 04:23

As I seem to recall Lara in Zhivago was a slut who put out for Komarov. That Julie Christie was cute though, so you can hardly blame my dear friend Omar…

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Anonymous December 12, 2011 at 04:23

If women were held equally accountable for their violence, and were arrested every time they hit someone in the face, the end result would be womens prisons would explode, and Gender; Gender-Raunch empowerment would come to a grinding halt.

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Aharon December 12, 2011 at 04:25

“A while back some generals at the Pentagon wanted to know what my thoughts were on, shall I call it Amish feminism”.
— The generals consulted Lara because they are naturally worried about a potential insurrection leading to a second American civil war originating from the heartland led by Amish Feminists.

“Don’t believe me: ask my husband”
— The odds are higher that Lara is a single forty-year old virgin living in her parent’s basement. It’s obvious that she is enjoying all the attention from men that she is getting at the Spearhead. Obviously, she does not get much attention in real life. Most likely, Lara is a good physical match with that three hundred pound Don Juan she knows.

I’ve read estimates that ten percent of women suffer from having a Borderline Personality Disorder. I suspect that Lara is way in beyond the border. Feminism is obviously a mental disorder.

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Lara Zhivago December 12, 2011 at 04:32

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Migu December 12, 2011 at 05:17

Sgt Martin huh?

He is famous sniper. Died in the 19th century.

Magistrate Meyer. I guess its all in the family

Who was the hinting knife Guy again. Daniel B?

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Avenger December 12, 2011 at 06:05

That’s no different than what happens to hypothryoid people when they take thyroid supplements

Yes, but you still have to be very careful giving T even to men with hypogonadism and T’s track record is not very good over the past 60 or so years it’s been used. Also, the T used to get the levels up is not exactly like the type produced by the body and there are a lot of adverse effects.
Same problem with thyroid and it’s hard to get the levels right.

@69-I’d be careful with that T gel, it may shrink your balls and bring on impotence. And don’t be surprised if your wife starts growing a beard (if she doesn’t already have one :) ) because that stuff is rubbing off on her and females are very sensitive to even tiny amounts of T.
Just because something makes you feel better for a short time or a few weeks doesn’t mean it’s good longterm. Doctors used to treat depression with amphetemines and the patients would feel better for a few weeks until they built a tolerance to it or it just stop working and then they would crash.

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freebird December 12, 2011 at 06:24

Attempts to incite violent replys to your alleged lust for hunting knives=big fail.

Now just go away troll.
No one here gives a flying fuck what you have to say.
You are successfully wasting time and energy,by acting in bad faith.

Typical fourth waver!
(nut job)

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dragnet December 12, 2011 at 07:47

@ Lara Zhivago

At the risk of feeding a troll, I’ll give my take on things.

Sure, many people here think you are a nutjob, a crazy troll and tireless harridan. And they’re onto something.

But I read your exchange with Jack on facebook and your comments here—you aren’t all nutjob. I think you ask, at times, some valid and pointed questions.

But that’s not why you cut no ice here. You’re being ignored because the type of feminism you espouse doesn’t have any institutional power. To take on your particular, personal brand of feminism is a useless endeavor that, 1) just proves that feminism is really what any particular women believes at any particular time, and 2) makes it clear that your brand of feminism isn’t driving public policy.

The feminism that actually does wield power in the Anglo-American world is exactly like what Jack has described: the ongoing attempt to control male behavior and exploit male disposability to transfer resources and power to women, using the threat of state violence as needed. If you want to be included in the discussion and taken seriously then you must engage the debate on those exact terms because that this our reality at this point in time. If you cannot do this, then there is no space for you here.

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Charles Martel December 12, 2011 at 08:15

Avenger
There are problems with big pharma and of course it’s a business. Medicine is too and like any business there are always doctors who will push a certain drug if the drug co. gives them some money but this doesn’t mean that all of the drugs they produce are junk and the stuff your local witchdoctor brews up is better.

I think anyone who works on the services delivery side of the medical business has at least a small streak of idealism and wants to believe that what they are doing is altruistically motivated. The people on the business side of big medicine have a different motivation.

The truth, unfortunately, is that many widely-prescribed drugs are no better than placebos . If you work for Merck, for example, pointing this out makes you less popular than the proverbial turd in the punch bowl.

90% of Western diseases would disappear if Western populations stopped eating industrial food, controlled their weight and spent two hours outside every day.

Here’s an interesting comment on the Wired article I linked to above:

“Great analysis. I research the health benefits of solar ultraviolet-B irradiance and vitamin D. Emerging science indicates that vitamin D at higher doses (1000-5000 IU/day or serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels of 40-60 ng/mL (100-150 nmol/L)) significantly reduces the risk of at least 14 types of cancer, infectious diseases such as influenza, septicemia, pneumonia, cardiovascular diseases, dementia, diabetes, autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis, and adverse pregnancy outcomes. New findings are announced monthly. In my opinion, all drugs should be compared to an appropriate dose of vitamin D. Doing so would probably eliminate a number from the market.”

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Geography Bee Finalist himself December 12, 2011 at 08:18

@ anyone noticing

notice that this troll is calling herself Lara zHIVago. Feminists like her are the HIV destroying everything around them. Yes Lara, you walked right into this one. Please choose your next name to troll under more carefully and stop choosing ones that include embedded within them an abbreviation for a virus that destroys human lives and the African continent the way feminism destroys anything it touches.

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Mickey T December 12, 2011 at 08:33

“Cockburn’s last name sounds like a nasty venereal disease”??

I hear better jokes here than some of the comedy shows.

But, I thought it sounded more like a some kind of feminist protest rally. They’ll have a gleeful old time burning all sorts of phallic symbols in effigy.

I think we should stage a “Pro Female Circumcision” rally. They get enough from us through sex. Why should they get sexual pleasure as well?

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Mickey T December 12, 2011 at 08:47

If I understand the definition of “troll” correctly, one can only “troll” (verb) if we let them.

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Mickey T December 12, 2011 at 08:48

If I understand the definition of “troll” correctly, one can only “troll” (verb) if we let her.

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Mickey T December 12, 2011 at 08:50

Not sure how that happened.

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Rocco December 12, 2011 at 09:02

@ Charles

It doesn’t matter. Doctors are becoming “health care providers” and medicine is rapidly feminizing.

Only the drug companies will run health care because don’t you know that corperations are people too? And who are we to say they can’t make a buck.

And you know how women like to make waves at work.

Medicine will become like public schools.

And good doctors will only take cash.

And they’ll mainly be men.

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Mike Diver December 12, 2011 at 09:09

I have Hypogonadism due to a pituitary gland tumor and have been treated by T for about 15 years. It does help in all the areas mentioned, however it does cause sterility and other side issues. I get frequent screening for prostate (I am high risk due to family history and due to my age as well as due to taking T.)

Currently I am off the T and looking at a more “nuanced” endocrine based solution. I may go back on the T if things do not improve. It takes a long time to test endocrine solutions as the body is very slow to take up and adapt to the treatments. I have been off T for about a year and am still considered as being in an experimental dosage and treatment plan.

I would not mess with T with out a good endocrinologist supervising.

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keyster December 12, 2011 at 09:12

“You’re being ignored because the type of feminism you espouse doesn’t have any institutional power.”

In other words, if you disagree with the current brand of feminism, what it espouses to be feminism today…take it up with those feminists, rather than trying to make a point of it in an MRA forum.

No one here cares about you’re particular views of feminism.

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Mike Diver December 12, 2011 at 09:16

Why is the focus of this thread becoming responses to Lara. Just ignore her comments and lets get on with business. Negative attention is still attention.

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dragnet December 12, 2011 at 09:47

@ Mike Diver

I thought it worthwhile to respond to Lara because individual feminists often seek to derail MRA threads by browbeating guys into debating their own, quixotic brand of feminism—and those guys need to know how to respond to that.

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Rocco December 12, 2011 at 10:32

OT

Well it’s official, Krugman of the NYT’s says we’re in a depression, duh!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/opinion/krugman-depression-and-democracy.html?_r=2&src=tp

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keyster December 12, 2011 at 11:34

“Well it’s official, Krugman of the NYT’s says we’re in a depression, duh!”

They combine different economic systems under one currency; some countries more socialist (government centric) than others. The Eurozone falls like dominos in socialist succession, and Krugman is sounding the alarm that “right-wing extremist groups” are rising.

Yeah, well no kidding.
He conveiniently leaves out the fact that the socialist party in Spain was just kicked out of office in favor of the “right wing” conservative party.

Why Paul Krugman still has any credibility at all, other than with the Manhattan Elite, is a mystery.

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Anonymous December 12, 2011 at 11:52

@Charles Martel: “any alternative treatment that shows promise but can not be made profitable never will be tested.”

Dear Charles, the rabbit hole goes much deeper than that. Continuing on with the example of vitamin D- a few years ago a study was sponsored to evaluate the effectiveness of vitamin D. 400 IUs a day (that’s the dosage recommended so that children don’t get rickets, whereas adults wishing to maintain a serum level >40 often take thousands of IUs/day or 10′s of thousands of IUs once a week) were given to subjects with basically no restrictions on the control arm (i.e., whether they consumed multi-vitamins, fortified food, etc.). The vitamin D was given in white-pill form (as opposed to dissolved in oil in a caplet, which is much more available to the body), and no serum levels were measured. That’s the kicker. It would have been trivial to have measured serum levels, but they chose not to. The astonishing conclusion was that vitamin D supplements didn’t improve outcomes between the trial and control arms.

Now, when someone points to the overwhelming mountain of evidence supporting vitamin D, there’s always some idiot/liar who will say “Yeah, but there’s evidence on the other side, too.” Junk science with a capital J.

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Charles Martel December 12, 2011 at 12:12

Rocco
It doesn’t matter. Doctors are becoming “health care providers” and medicine is rapidly feminizing.

Women are the perfect customers for big medicine. Uncritical, voracious consumers of the snake oil du jour. Women love authority and if a Doctor says “take this drug for the rest of your life,” then they do. Me? The last time I saw my Doctor I told her (ugh – have to get around to finding a new PCP) that I’d read a good part of the Framingham Heart Study and that the link between serum cholesterol and atherosclerosis was not clearly established, imho. Her response to this kind of stuff is usually to tell me to drop ‘em as it’s time for a testicular cancer screening. I think she just likes feeling my balls – LOL. Which is why I haven’t been back for about four years.

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Charles Martel December 12, 2011 at 12:53

A downvote! Must be Firepower checking in from (another) vacation. LOL.

Either that or a lurking cardiologist.

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Mickey T December 12, 2011 at 13:27

Women have one, and only one way of living:

*Expecting (and getting) special treatment from all
*Putting in effort when it’s convenient (lazy)
* Taking little, to no responibilty
* Taking no accountability for their actions or lack of actions
* They are ruthless, uncaring, selfish and greedy
Etc ,Etc ………..

These things are true from the floor mopper to the US Sec’y of State.
And that includes doctors!! I can tell stories which probably amaze a lot of you guys. Perhaps in another discussion I’ll get the opportunity to do so. My advice to you all is to NEVER, EVER use a female doctor if it is possible.

@ Charles Martel
How is a guy like you had/has a female doctor??

@ Rocco
Krugman has credibility with his Liberal elitist cronies, and those who share his twisted ideology, as well as the ignorant and gullible. No mystery, look at who lives in our White House.

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Charles Martel December 12, 2011 at 13:47

Anonymous
The vitamin D was given in white-pill form (as opposed to dissolved in oil in a caplet, which is much more available to the body), and no serum levels were measured. That’s the kicker. It would have been trivial to have measured serum levels, but they chose not to. The astonishing conclusion was that vitamin D supplements didn’t improve outcomes between the trial and control arms.

So this study was actively sabotaged by supplying the vitamin D in a less bio-available form and by not collecting the data that would have led to an inconvenient conclusion. Surprise!

I remember when I was younger chuckling at the poor benighted Victorians who exiled Tuberculosis sufferers to distant sanatoriums. The astonishing truth is that this was a highly effective treatment. The TB patients were effectively quarantined from the general population and many of them actually recovered as their Vitamin D-boosted immune systems fought off the mycobacterium causing their disease.

Now, when someone points to the overwhelming mountain of evidence supporting vitamin D, there’s always some idiot/liar who will say “Yeah, but there’s evidence on the other side, too.” Junk science with a capital J.

Science is dying, murdered by corporatism and cultural Marxism.

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Charles Martel December 12, 2011 at 13:53

Mickey T
How is a guy like you had/has a female doctor??

I ask myself the same question. The answer is I rarely see a Doctor and when my PCP left the practice I wound up on her patient list. It’s on my to do list.

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nugganu December 12, 2011 at 13:55

Hey, who let the white feminist c*nt on here?

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hf December 12, 2011 at 14:00

Lara is plain, batshit insane.

@Martel and @Anonymous and @Rocco

How about HgH? Ive heard that can work some wonders, and was curious if you gents had any insight…

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Rocco December 12, 2011 at 14:02

@ Charles

One thing I can share with you that is a true area that the medical community covers up is in the area of alcohol.

Now, I’m not a big drinker and alcohol is very dangerous and should be avoided.

But that being said, alcoholics almost never die of coronary artery disease because the fact is that alcohol is the most effective treatment for atherosclerosis there is.

But, because they don’t trust the public they serve to act responsibly with alcohol, as Europeans do all the time with a bit of wine each day, we in the medical community hide this stuff.

Other than that I don’t see doctors caring much about money but I work in a public sector teaching hospital.

One of the things I do see is physicians treating patients because they’re worried about law suits. Every medical decision is now a legal decision, as it is now with personal relationships.

In the hospital, Vitamin D is all the rage right now.

I’m wary of trendy medicine.

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woggy December 12, 2011 at 16:25

Lara hooted:
“The evidence is published at my blog; and has been deleted from Mr. Donovans page. Comment that included links to other evidence was also censored on this page. None of Mr. Donovans mob of savages had any objections.”

If the so called evidence deleted was as insane and disjointed as what we’ve been treated to here, I can see why he deleted it. I’d expect nothing less, as a matter of fact; allowing your brand of delightful nonsense to persist is like letting the inmates run the asylum.

A hunting knife as a sex toy?
Try a hand grenade for real excitement, but make sure you enlist the expertise of the Marine, he’ll know what pins to pull and when.
Leave fatso at the bar.

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Boxer December 12, 2011 at 17:47

But that being said, alcoholics almost never die of coronary artery disease because the fact is that alcohol is the most effective treatment for atherosclerosis there is.

This is pretty interesting. I’ve heard stuff about red wine for years. You wouldn’t have a journal article would ya?

Substituting olive oil for canola/corn/whatever else is supposed to be good for your heart also, though I use it mainly because it tastes better.

Regards, Boxer

P.S. Lara Zhivago: Shut up, whore; nobody gave you permission to speak.

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Avenger December 12, 2011 at 18:20

@hf
How about HgH? Ive heard that can work some wonders, and was curious if you gents had any insight

You don’t ever want to use growth hormone after you’re bones have fused because it will cause acromegaly, some people get this naturally from natural overproduction usually caused by a pituitary tumour. You’ll end up looking like this;

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=altavista&sz=all&va=acromegaly

HCG will stimulate the Leydig cells to produce testosterone but I’m not certain in what conditions it’s indicated or if it will work with everyone.

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Avenger December 12, 2011 at 18:49

@rocco
But that being said, alcoholics almost never die of coronary artery disease because the fact is that alcohol is the most effective treatment for atherosclerosis there is.

That’s becayse they never make it to the age where they would have atherosclerosis :)

But, because they don’t trust the public they serve to act responsibly with alcohol, as Europeans do all the time with a bit of wine each day,

I wouldn’t be too certain about that, France has a high rate of alcoholism. And Italy is probably not low esp. in the north where they drink a lot of hard liquor. There’s a reason people fall into the canals in Venice :) A lot of that wine is distilled into brandy or grappa And they certainly make their own whisky and vodka from from grain not to mention beers.
A lot of these things like being able to drink withut any really bad effects on your health may just be genetic. There are a couple of towns in Italy where no one has ever died from heart failure or circulatory diseases (of course they die of other things) There’s one town up in the hills and surrounded by a wall where the average age at death is 95.

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E December 13, 2011 at 00:17

Boxer

P.S. Lara Zhivago: Shut up, whore; nobody gave you permission to speak.

Lara fails to understand a simple concept:
The right to free speech is NOT the right to have an audience.
Having an audience is a privilege that must be earned.

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Rocco December 13, 2011 at 00:56

@ Avenger

You say you are a doctor and you really don’t know about alcohol and coronary artery disease?

Plenty of alcoholics make it to old age, then they have autopsies.

That’s how we discovered the link.

http://www.fsijournal.org/article/0379-0738(95)01776-3/abstract

That’s not true about Italy or France.

Nothern European nations have much higher rates of alcoholism and corresponding higher rates of feminstic laws and customs.

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-1/95-109.htm

And without data, calling Italians and French alcoholics is pretty exteme, perhaps racist, but on the spearhead, we have more and more of this racism, I don’t like being associated with it.

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Prof. Woland December 13, 2011 at 04:14

I learned this in a college class on wine sensory evaluation about 25 years ago. The Italians consume more alcohol per capita but have a lower rate of alcoholism. They tend to drink with food (regularly scheduled meals not constantly stuffing their face) and have a tendency to drink to excess less. It is probably more of a cultural thing than genetic. I still remember that.

The Northern Europeans are “ambivalent” drinkers they have a love / hate relationship with alcohol. Being a grain based culture they tend to make better beer and whiskey. It is hard to grow nobel grapes that far north.

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Prof. Woland December 13, 2011 at 04:15

should have read: Italians v French

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Quiet Riot Girl December 13, 2011 at 07:45

Hi all
I posted this on my article but you may not see it so here it is again.

Sorry for the delay but Mark Simpson’s Male Impersonators has now been released on Amazon Kindle.

http://www.amazon.com/Male-Impersonators-Performing-Masculinity-ebook/dp/B006K5ZMNE/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1323791026&sr=1-1

It is well worth reading!

QRG

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Mickey T December 13, 2011 at 09:33

@ Woggy, Boxer, hp, hugganu etc

Good job in showing how humorous the truth can sound.

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Avenger December 13, 2011 at 14:55

@Rocco -you’re really going to have to become more sophisticated and not believe everything you read on the Net. Anyone can set up a website and publish anything they want.

“And without data, calling Italians and French alcoholics is pretty exteme, perhaps racist, but on the spearhead, we have more and more of this racism, I don’t like being associated with it.”

I didn’t realise that the French and Italians were a separate race lol If I said that the Russians had a high % of alcoholics would that be racism too? And I suggest that you actually go and see the world rather than relying on the nonsense you read on the Net or in newspapers.

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Avenger December 13, 2011 at 15:25

And Wolland, you’re another one who really needs first hand experience.

“The Northern Europeans are “ambivalent” drinkers they have a love / hate relationship with alcohol. Being a grain based culture they tend to make better beer and whiskey. It is hard to grow nobel grapes that far north.”

So I guess that the Egyptians ever further south weren’t a grain based culture either lol They may have even originally gown that grain for beer and not bread. And btw, Franch and Italy do produce grains.

Grapes used for commercial trade are grown to the 50 degree north in Europe (the Rhine vineyards) and incidently the Germans drank wine before beer. Grapes do grow further north and you’ll find them in the most unlikely places(there are vineyards in England and they were bigger in the middle ages) but we’re talking about commercial trade here where they have to compete with more productive vineyards to the south. At one time wine was the #1 commodity shipped, and even till today a ship’s capacity is measured in tonnes ( a large wine barrel 225L)

“It is probably more of a cultural thing than genetic. I still remember that. ”

What’s the difference? People came first and they developed certain customs and practises they we call culture.

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Chevy Chase December 13, 2011 at 21:08

And the stupid keep arguing with the stupid.

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Prof. Woland December 13, 2011 at 22:16

Avenger,

My first hand experience is that Germans & Brits make good beer and mediocre wine. Never had Egyptian beer or wine before. Perhaps you can tell us if it is any good.

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Avenger December 14, 2011 at 08:41

Woland, I don’t drink it but merely said that they made a lot of it in antiquity. And obviously the ancient Egyptians took it seriously and knew what they were doing because amphoras have been found and they were labelled with the year and exact plot and vineyard from where it came.
I have drank English wine and it’s very similar to a German Rhine wine. When they acquired Bordeaux they just used that wine which was sold from the barrel in taverns and was consumed young. Although wine was bottled or put into amphoras in antiquity it wasn’t for a long time and was only bottled as we know it for the last 300 years or so.
I can recall Samuel Pepys writing in his diary that he had drank some Ho Bryan wine and that it was very good. Of course he was referring to Ch. Haut Brion. So wine was drank quite a bit in England and all sorts of wine not just Bordeaux. Sherry. Madeira and Port were practically invented by English wine merchants and many others when they were at war with France.

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SMC December 21, 2011 at 00:01

Nice article.

But

Fighting feminist who attack male violence is no win agenda. (We ourselves don’t actually advocate male bullies.)

Fight feminism by proving that equality does not equal equality. It equals the exponential rise of female led infidelity, deceit and manipulation. (And that rise is biology based.)

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SMC December 21, 2011 at 00:07

Also state that as male violence decreases female violiner will rise and fill the vacuum _ala hyenas._

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imnobody December 24, 2011 at 04:59

I have said it some years ago. The fourth wave of feminism will be like that:

ASSUMPTIONS

1) Men and women are different (the equality myth has outlived its usefulness)
2) Women are better than men (more compassionate, more collaborative and so on).

(The second assumption has always been part of feminism but it was contradictory with the pretenses of equality. Now the contradiction is solved).

CONSEQUENCES

3) (Derived from 1 and 2) Women are entitled to privileges that men don’t have. This will be the use of evolutionary psychology, which is quickly replacing “gender theory” as the mainstream ideology in our society. Women are more valuable: the survival of the race depend of them. They have to be treated as a precious asset and being given resources.

4) (Derived from 2) When women don’t succeed at the same rate of men’s success, there is a discrimination so the government must intervene.

Again, there is nothing new in 4). Even 3) has been pursued for the last forty years in an hypocrite manner: claiming for equality and demanding privileges. Now the contradiction is solved. Women can demand privileges in the open, can be bold in demanding more and more. After all, they are more valuable than men, they need more, they are different, they are the ones who are biological worthy and so on.

Feminism has always been a “female supremacism” movement, like social conservatism. But it used equality as a tactical tool. This has put it into contradiction.

Now the contradiction is removed and you will see a radicalization of feminism: women demanding privileges at the same time that resources to finance these privileges dwindle. The more these resources decrease, the louder the scream of women will be.

The fifth wave of feminism will be the burka (at least in Europe).

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Jean Valjean December 30, 2011 at 15:06

Not only is testosterone not highly correlated with violence but what we find is that status is a much greater predictor of violence.

The lower on the totem poll a man gets the more likely he will be a perpetrator or victim of violence. One reason is that men become more desperate at the prospect of falling lower in rank and since they are already at the bottom they may not feel like they have much to lose–many don’t.

Add to this the fact that women are already put on the poll ahead of all men and they are competing unfairly in a marketplace that punishes males who compete (and succeed) against women and you create a double pressure to seek “alternative” means of status advancement. That usually means entering less that legal markets and distribution such as selling, transporting, or manufacturing dope (a convenient prohibition boom industry that was created after the onset of second wave feminism).

Add to all this the fact that men must protect themselves as well as women but women are never expected to protect men and often not expected to protect themselves and you create a necessity for many men to learn violence. And when you look into an abyss does not the abyss look into you?

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WomBats January 27, 2012 at 23:14

@ImNobody
Ive heard that factions of the feminist movement now consider refusing to perform oral sex on a menstruating femonazi an act of misogyny. Thats just plain sick. But were the twisted perverted rapists. More femtacular logic at work.

Seriously doing that or taking it up the azz is a rough choice either way I reckon.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 5, 2012 at 02:38

I disagree on some points.

First, it ‘s often INSUFFICIENT testosterone that causes violence. It’s comparable to an insecure guy being more likely to throw a punch than a martial artist. Of course, the question is why someone lacks sufficient testosterone. For that there are probably many causes. Being both soma and psyche, we can change chemically if we experience certain external realities.

“9. Estrogens have multiple effects including behavioral effects such as increasing anxiety, irritability, hyperactivity and aggression.

13. Estrogen itself may compete with thyroid hormone at the thyroid hormone receptor site – creating a virtual hypothyroid state – perhaps also contributing to anxiety – despite normal thyroid hormone levels.

23. Testosterone usually has a calming effect. This may not occur if tolerance occurs to testosterone.”

http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/doctors-anyone-please-testosterone-134239779.html

Also, violence only “appears” to resolve issues. There’s always an aftermath. Shoot the guy playing checkers with you and his relatives will seek you out. Vendettas are reactions to original harms.

Besides, why would anyone “want” to be violent unless they, themselves are threatened or abused? Happy people want others to be happy.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t know how to protect ourselves. Just that everyone I’ve ever known who lauded violence was either severely damaged as a human being…or had never experienced harm personally. The latter are exemplified by armchair warriors who send others off to fight and die.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 5, 2012 at 03:19

> “Oakley and Cockburn noted that 92% of the UK rioters this summer were male….”

How many of those “violent” males were raised by loud-mouthed, lard-ass, non-working, unskilled single-Shaniqua on-de-dole mamas? How many of those young men were raised by mothers who shamed them for being male? How many of the boys grew up hearing how bad men were, feeling helpless around a female who was a “giantess” compared to them when they were young, dependent, and impressionable boys?

Maybe those males finally raged against a society that didn’t protect them and considers them useless.

As for females being non-violent, anyone who’s spent a day in Family Court knows females can be heartless and vicious when they know they’ll win (and/or have guys protect them). When in doubt, they will employ proxies (white knights, manginas, and PBs: “pussy beggars”). Or be covert, knowing poison kills as effectively as knives and bullets.

Also, how many “killer” soldiers were raised to blindly protect Mama and her country?

It’s high time we fight back, gents. Refuse to be fodder, cannon or other-wise, for anyone!

Take lessons from Newman (about 2:04), betrayed by a woman who’d also shamed him for being a “loser” and “coward”…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RzF4FlTwak

…and Cagney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4R5wZs8cxI

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Auntie Pheminizm February 5, 2012 at 04:01

Lara-the -Loon wrote:

>”Why are you all on such a pity party…”

This from a member of the tribe that’s been bellyaching non-stop for 50 years about everything from the unbearable torture of the “male gaze” to not being able to dress like sluts whenever they want. Oh, but those are all veddy-veddy SERIOUS grievances. What, after all, does it matter that men died forming unions. What really counts is the horror women in comfy offices face getting paper cuts.

Now who said there are no great female thinkers?

> “you could simply choose to be more honest, more forthright and get more sex…”

Honest, direct dude: “I want to fuck you.”

Feminist: “You pig! Not on your life. Who do you think I am?”

Compare:

Manipulative, user male: “I like your hair, honey. Where’d you buy it?”

Feminist: “Oh please, please, please: give me a facial when you’ve finished pounding my anus! And thanks for showing me the true meaning of ATM.”

> “based on fully informed consensual agreements…”

Signed in triplicate, no doubt.

In her entire life, Lara will never -ever -EVAH take the risks to meet a male that a junior high boy in Kansas will in one night trying to get a prom date.

Feminists are cowards. They expect men to do what wimmin never do. They’re like the bozos who mock the fear of public speaking. Until, of course, they have to orate. Then they whimper, pooping their pants.

So, Lara, listen up: Stop peddling your shite here. We ain’t buying. And we’re not going away. In fact, you will notice more and more MRAs speaking out publicly and on comments pages.

Also, we don’t listen to what women SAY they want sexually. From much experience we’ve learned it has little correlation to what they respond to. So STFU! We do what we do because YOU reward it.

If you don’t like it, change. Because YOU teach men how to treat you. If all the guys around you are assholes, it’s because you’re an AM: asshole magnet.

(“I’m a feminist, therefore I…AM!”) :>)

You can give all the advice in the world you want. It won’t trump truth or reality.

Plus we all know wimminz don’t take one -zillionth of the risks they expect men to. They harrumph about being soldierettes, for example, when huys will know gals met lesser standards and never fight.

So good luck when the economy tanks and you dial a plumber. You’ll find a female answering the phone, no men in sight.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

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Auntie Pheminizm February 5, 2012 at 04:10

> “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.”

Except, of course, the betrayed man who righteously beats the living shit out of her.

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Cecil March 19, 2012 at 13:46

Of course more men are forced to resort to violence to make things happen. No one is going to hand it to us in return for having a vagina.
I figure the ops will censor this again.
This still boils down men cutting each others throats for female ‘gifts’, falsely equating individuality, ignorance and greed with masculinity.

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Cecil March 19, 2012 at 13:52

What happened to Lauras post?
censoring anything that disagrees with your viewpoint is kind of a feminist thing to do.

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Jean Valjean April 8, 2012 at 13:48

Violence is not a product of testosterone nor is it a “masculine” trait.

Violence is an act of desperation committed by a male who perceives himself dangerously low in the male hierarchy.

Low status males, which are born by the hundreds of thousands in poverty stricken areas of the country rightly perceive that they have more to gain through violence or criminality than through an education system which had already discounted and marginalized them before they started their first day.

There are two kinds of males. Winners and losers. Fail to win often enough and you find yourself in the loser category. Once there you are a target for bullying, violence, robbery, and perhaps most salient in the minds of young men, contempt from females of the same cohort.

Today women compete against males in every sphere using affirmative action and preferential treatment in hiring and admissions. Males are born into gladiator pits that we call “inner city” or “rural slums” and as a people we are more than happy to allow these males to fight it out and die or become incarcerated so long as we can privilege females in a way that males have never been privileged.

Violence is not a product of masculinity or testosterone. It is a product of neglect and contempt for males and a willingness to allow them to fail in catastrophic ways. It is society’s indifference to that failure which constitutes the real violence that we should all be concerned with.

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Jean Valjean April 8, 2012 at 13:53

The most dangerous man in the world is one who has nothing left to lose.

Feminism, and the preferential treatment and unfair competition fostered by it ensure that there will be many more men with nothing left to lose.

Whatever patriarchy was it was far more moral than feminism. Patriarchy empowered men so they could provide for women and children. It worked fabulously.

Feminism empowers women so they can provide only for themselves and men are rarely the beneficiaries of women’s labors. In a world where there aren’t enough jobs and resources for everyone feminism is immoral and will only lead to injustice, poverty, and eventually societal decay.

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