There’s been some controversy over what exactly is going on with Swedish/Scandinavian feminism, with some claiming that it’s worse than the Anglo version and others claiming that, actually, men have it better over there than in Anglo countries. I tend to favor the latter position, possibly because I’m a father and I know that Scandinavian countries are not nearly so punitive toward fathers as the legal regimes in the Anglosphere. However, due to the extremely broad definition of rape in Sweden, some claim that it is akin to fundamentalist Muslim regimes.
I’m not sure the rape hysteria in Sweden is entirely a feminist creation, however. It’s more likely that it’s a reaction to a trend that has been ongoing since the Swedes, in their infinite wisdom, imported a very large Muslim community, which has, to put it mildly, very different sexual norms from the native Swedes. In Islamic countries, a woman who sleeps around, bares her skin, dances at clubs, etc., is a whore. According to Islamic (and earlier Christian) custom, rape does not apply to whores, ergo Swedish women are free for the taking. When one combines this attitude with extreme cultural relativism as practiced by Swedish “enlightened” liberals, there are bound to be some misunderstandings.
My take on it is that Swedes have attempted to legislate Swedish cultural norms surrounding sex as a response to this problem. For example, a typical Swedish man would not assume that because a woman shows some skin and acts in a sexually provocative manner she is consenting to sex. In Muslim countries, men assume exactly that. Therefore, the rape laws are instructive in nature, designed to “civilize” the Muslims into the norms of a sexually libertine society. Feminists may have supported these laws, but the impetus for their passage likely derived from outrage native Swedes felt about their women being used by foreigners. This is an entirely normal feeling, but naturally Swedes don’t want to seem xenophobic or restrictive, so they dress the laws up in feminist language and thereby retain their progressive aura.
However, child support and custody in Sweden are handled far differently than in Anglo countries. Joint custody is much more common, and men are never thrown in prison for inability to pay child support. In fact, if a man can’t afford child support, the state will actually help him. Fathers’ rights are taken seriously, and fathers are given leave to spend time with children along with mothers. Men are almost never killed by the police for their wives or girlfriends, divorces are less expensive and usually not very acrimonious, and marriage is neither demanded nor punished as it is in the Anglosphere.
Evidently, the situation is even better in Finland. The national government in Finland takes men’s rights seriously, and fathers are given a great deal of consideration.
So although we see that feminism is real, and sometimes annoying, in Scandinavia, it isn’t as much of a threat to the average man as it is in Anglo countries.
Why not?
I think it has something to do with the Anglo form of government, which is based on an adversarial relationship between the government and the people. From the Magna Carta onward, English speaking people have sought to define themselves apart from their rulers. Americans enshrined distrust of government into our Constitution, and to this day we remain extraordinarily suspicious of government power.
In Scandinavia, the people – including men – feel that their government is for their benefit rather than opposed to their interests. They are not only less suspicious of it, but less inclined to see themselves as at odds with it. Their government is also less inclined to view the people as a threat.
Our governments, on the other hand, have a tendency to exist in an uneasy state of truce with the people. This creates a lot of opportunities for special interest groups to ally themselves with the government against the people. Feminists instinctively understood that they had a willing ally in the state against the men the state taxes and rules.
As women entered the political world, they began to see the state as a very powerful tool for extracting concessions from men. The result was a very aggressive form of feminism that has proven over and over again its willingness to support the most punitive confiscatory regime the United States has ever had, under the guise of protecting women and children of course. Additionally, feminist family law has provided a great many constitutional loopholes, rendering any man who lives or works with a woman – that is, the vast majority of men – defenseless against civil rights abuses.
The question this raises is whether Anglo-style democracy can long survive following women’s empowerment. I’d argue that it probably cannot, and that our democracies will degenerate into something closer to Latin regimes, where votes are simply bought and sold and rule of law is tenuous at best. In such a scenario, women’s status will necessarily decline, as tax revenues will shrink to levels that can no longer support the police state required to keep them “equal.” Companies that don’t want to pay women higher wages will simply grease the palm of some official, and women’s complaints will be in vain. Police will stop regularly responding to DV calls, as the money to arrest, prosecute and incarcerate women’s lovers over domestic fights simply won’t be there any longer. Child support will be reduced as more and more men, the elderly in particular, end up on welfare (when many divorced men, made poor by their ex-wives, are old and unemployed they will be an enormous social burden).
When seen in the context of the traditional Anglo antagonism toward government, it’s pretty clear that feminists are, for all intents and purposes, allies of the state against the people. It is akin to a symbiotic relationship between two parasites feeding off the same host; something like the relationship between the mosquito, the plasmodium parasite (malaria) and the human being.
Perhaps we’ll have to accept that the very structure of our society and the nature of our ideals contained all the elements necessary for their eventual collapse. If the adversarial relationship between ruler and ruled – the state and The People – becomes a characteristic of the relationship between our men and women, and our brand of feminism gives us every indication that it has, our society in its current incarnation is doomed.
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Note that the two cultures— Anglo-American and Scandanavian— have common cultural heritages. Both descend from a common cultural root and both underwent a puritanical religious reformation at the end of the Middle Ages. That puritanism broke the gender polarity in both cultures.
You’ll also notice that feminism has never taken a strong hold in any culture where this element of puritanism has been absent. It’s not strong in the Christian/Catholic/Orthodox nations; nor in Islamic/Judaic, or Asian religious cultures.
Puritanism and feminism are inextricably linked; which is why, today, there is also no essential difference between Social Conservatives and Radical Feminists when it comes to pedestalizing women and disempowering men. Feminism is just as puritanical; with its speech codes, elsastic definitions of ‘inappropriate behavior’ and ‘rape’ as social conservatism is with its sexual stringency. Social Conservatism isn’t the ‘Fourth Wave’ of feminism so much as it is a reactionary movement; bringing feminism back to its own cultural roots.
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Correct. Liberals and their allies are the puritans of today. This is hard for people to accept since liberals have appeared to be in favor of looser legislation regarding what have been considered vices. In fact, feminists seemed to promise more sex for more men — the fantasy that you don’t have to be more than the person you are for females to fuck you.
Nevertheless it’s mostly an implied empty promise. People the left “helps” are made dependent and thus controlled. Women are “looser” but no less searching for alpha thugs or rich guys and they compensate by making “rape” whatever a female says it is.
But this is all the more reason to distrust and despise government. Government is the instrument of leftist and feminist enslavement of normal people.
Possibly a “Latin” type system with men largely in control is the default successful Western political culture because few persons in government can keep moral standards.
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This a brilliant explanation for question I’ve long had.
An excellent piece.
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“Evidently, the situation is even better in Finland. The national government in Finland takes men’s rights seriously, and fathers are given a great deal of consideration.”
Interesting. I spent fourteen years with a woman of Finnish extraction. She was the first “MRA” I ever knew. While I was still a radical feminist during the eighties she was telling me that men were treated like shit in our culture.
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> In fact, if a man can’t afford child support, the state will actually help him.
Hmm, I don’t mean to nitpick, but I don’t really see how the Swedish state helps the man in this case. If the man fails to pay child support, the state (via Försäkringskassan) pays the woman and bills the man for it. If the man doesn’t pay the state back, his wages can be garnished, property seized, etc. Admittedly he can’t be thrown in jail, but it seems to me like the state mostly helps the woman.
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I forgot: the manosphere often talks about how fathers have been replaced by the state. This has been taken to quite an extreme in Sweden, where there is a per-child subsidy ($155 per month at present exchange rates) paid directly to the mother – regardless of the custody arrangements…
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I don’t see it that way. For me, the most important fact is that the whiter the state/nation, the more liberal, tolerant, and the more it treasures diversity.
White places are “boring” or “vanilla.” We need to spice things up! So strange and new causes are introduced, like feminism, or multiculturalism. Naturally, these causes destroy the host area, just as the Californians who left to escape the Mexicans are now infecting the Northwest. New Yorkers are doing the same for the South.
Feminism is an indulgence. We thought that success came for free, like manna from heaven. So we begin novelties that undermine that success.
There are many examples of this way of thinking. Detroit was “enriched” in the 50s and hasn’t recovered. South Africa, Zimbabwe have done it. The result is always the same.
I would be bold to say that you have caught the multiculturalist fever. You use the word “Anglo” instead of white. It has been passed onto you from the liberals at the universities. Since many people consider mexicans white, you have to cook up a new term to describe whites.
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A few years back, I visited Sweden. The country was clean, prosperous, highly cultured, and physically beautiful. I got a clear sense that the men felt that they were discriminated against and that they weren’t free to openly speak about it; nevertheless, the men and women that I met got along very nicely overall. The women didn’t carry the chip on their shoulders that Anglo women carry (yeah, yeah, NAAWALT). I even met an attractive woman who spoke out openly against radfems. On the whole, I found the Swedish women pleasant, in good shape, and even charming. What a difference from the Anglosphere!
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Good read.
Your prognostication near the end:
– is similar to that of many others found here. And those who write as such are likely preparing for the future worst.
Collapse will happen when it does. Yet when or if this current state does succumb to the dead weight of bureaucracy and corruption we will at least know some reasons of why and how it did and make sure it doesn’t repeat anytime soon.
Perhaps humanity has already been warned by portions of what is recorded in scripture and proven by worldly history.
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Intresting article. I am a MRA writer and men’s equality researcher from Finland.
You are right – the biggest difference between USA and Finland is propably the law. Laws everywhere are against the men, but in Finland we don’t have many prisoners and maximum sentence is 14 years of prison. And for that you have to murder bunch of people.
What I have read, sentences in USA are ridiculously long. You could ge easily behind bars for 30 years or for some sex crime (that you didn’t even do). Here in Finland it’s hard to get in the prison.
1. Not paying child support doesn’t get you to prison.
2. If you are first time offender with rape, pedofilia or other sex crimes, they don’t necessary get you in the prison.
3. We don’t have “sex offender lists”.
4. Police don’t use much violence.
And yes, father’s position in Finland is much better with joint custody as the usual choice after divorse. And we don’t have alimony.
On the other hand we live in “state feminism”, where the equality politics are dominated with feminist hegemony. Men’s organisations have no say in equality politics.
[If you are intrested, I can write article for the Spearhead about equality in Finland.]
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Sure, I’d be happy to publish it.
“Perhaps humanity has already been warned by portions of what is recorded in scripture and proven by worldly history.”
Like that Jesus bloke who kicked the money changers out of the temple?
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Nice article, I can’t really think of anything to add.
I guess I could point out that Islam isn’t that stricct in most Muslim countries, they were being modernized along with western countries on roughly the same timelines but in different ways. Egypt actually had one of the first Womens Rights Marches in the early 1900s.
Islam also gave women various rights and privileges hundreds of years before christian women gained some of those same rights….or muslim feminists have claimed to me. I am fairly curious whether this is true or not due to how I now refuse to believe the feminist herstory narratives.
As far as various nations goes, I think it is a bit simplistic. Cultures are fairly different and that is minor compared to other things, like how you point out the government models, like population density or whether or not the population is homogenous or just the number of people in the country.
I may be wrong but I have been told by a few people who have visited Sweden(I think it was Sweden but I might be wrong) that every single man is considered part of the army??? Arent they the ones where every man has to register with the military and when they buy a house they are given a lock box to put in their basement with guns, ammo, uniforms, and what not and once a year they have to have it inspected by the government? I remember a former roommate also telling me that most of the bridges and roads are also mined or rigged with explosives so that if they got invaded they could easily destroy them while building up their army???
I may be thinking about a different country….hmmm. Just wondering if that maybe plays a role into some of the lesser evil misandry and destructiveness of feminism.
Then again, I have heard from Swedish MRAs that men and women really don”t get along in any way and mostly segregate themselves but are forced through social and legal customs to interact in various ways.
I read a blog entry by a feminist college girl studying abroad in Sweden and she was complaining about guys not talking to her, or helping her with heavy boxes or opening doors for her or even hitting on her in the bars and clubs.
I have heard that type of thing from several places, especially the men huddled around by themselves in bars and the women being forced to buy drinks and do the asking out.
Then again, this is the country that was forcing boys to sit down to pee while also removing male oriented stuff from their kindergardens.
So????
Another thing I remember about Sweden is that they got the daddy-leave implemented by setting penalties against men who didn’t take the appropriate, or any, parental leave.
So, even if they are marginally better than America they still believe in the forced outcome model of feminism instead of the equal opportunity model we MRAs believe in.
I can’t really get behind that.
I know that the only reason feminists and women want men to be pushed into the female role is to create some slack for the choices and responsibilities due to those choices that women made.
Quite simply, it isn’t because they care about single fathers or men who want more time parenting children or anything to do with what will benefit men.
They only care because it will benefit women.
Women have the choices but few of the responsibilities and now they are realizing they can’t have it all. Google some of the essays about how working women really jusst wish they had a wife.
Working 60 hrs a week and trying to fulfill the male role and then coming home to a household full of dishes and dirty kids or let’s just leave kids out of it and what happens? They realize there just isn’t enough time in the week to get everything done and still be able to socialize or focus on their self.
I saw a quote awhile back that described, paraphrasing here, feminism as a woman ontop of her pedestal who then reached over and kicked the man off of his pedestal and stood with one foot on both pedestals while the man hung off of his perch with one hand.
So today men are aimless peter pans and women are overburdened and burning out by 30.
This is, in my opinion, why feminist like Steinem claim that the next phase of feminism is to put men to the same test that it put women to.
As she said, paraphrasing again, : We have proven that women can do a mans job, now we need to see if men can do a womans job.
So, it really isn’t about equality but instead about switching roles and using this invisible male privilege and power over men, once women acquire it. Or so it appears to me and even though I don’t think men ever had power over women or privilege, atleast not to any real degree, I do think that women will create this power and use it against men.
I think a feminist society, even if it looks good on the outside, will always trend towards what you see in femdom porn. Especially in countries with scarcity.
Remember Sweden and outher countries in its region don’t really have to worry about being in danger and they are fairly socialistic and well off compared to other countries like America, Canada, or Britain.
I do think they are trending more towards us than we are towards them though. It wasn’t long ago that whats his face shot up the camp and the MRM was tarred and feathered with acusations that he was a MRA gunman.
Anyways, here are some OT links:
Man ordered to pay wife for lack of sex….or basically married men don’t have the right to withdraw consent…thanks feminists:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/the-other-side/man-ordered-to-pay-wife-for-lack-of-sex/story-e6frfhk6-1226210391795http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/the-other-side/man-ordered-to-pay-wife-for-lack-of-sex/story-e6frfhk6-1226210391795
I lol’d at this one. Man forgets to tell wife about vasectomy= Bad. Wife intentionally stops taking BC pills and don’t tell husband to trick him into fatherhood=good. The best part is that they are married to each other….lollololololololozzzzz
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/28/oops—-husband-forgot-to-disclose-vasectomy
This has probably been linked and discussed here before, but I haven’t had steady internet access in the last month and recently just saw dalrocks response to it which I thought was funny:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/8654/?single_page=true
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@ Anti Idocy
I’m sure Julian Assange felt the same way…..and that the women were very friendly.
Which is exactly how feminism creeped into the US culture, riding on our d@cks.
I’ve been around a long time and it is well known that feminism started and spread from one country, Sweden.
It was said by Assanage, a civil rights leader and a person who put his own freedom above our right to know that it is the Saudi Arabia of feminism.
Now you say, how can this by, a country with 10 million people and very homogeneous.
Well, it was also very friendly to Germany and I believe eugenics are very much behind this movement.
Ever wonder, Price, why you don’t have a natural right to your child?
I read 26 years ago…..1975…..a Swedish beaurocrat speak of all of this.
She said that sexual relations had been all worked out except the kids….we are still fighing over the children but, as we can see above, women are paid to procreate……like cattle.
How romantic.
Don’t fool yourself, feminism’s headquarters is sweden, they test policy there, and implement in the Anglo countries, but that’s only 50 years of experience talking.
btw: That they have some work arounds created like, they don’t imprison men, wow, how female of them.
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I’m sorry but just like women, Governments are the same in all countries.
Their priority is their own welfare. Everything else is secondary and to maintain status quo. Don’t be fooled by varying flag designs. A racehorse owner may treat its horse better than an average cowboy but its because of what it can get from it.
It does not matter what concession or benefit men get from the State, we must never accept its interference in family no matter how good of an intention it says it has.
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Dear Henry Laasanen November 30, 2011 at 14:07:
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[If you are intrested, I can write article for the Spearhead about equality in Finland.]
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Yes, please do.
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I believe the current trend is to say the divorce is not friendly enough for mom so dad looses his kid, you know, she says she’s scared or crys.
This has been implemented this month in Australia and here we see an American famous person thumbing her nose, the real rule of thumb, at the family court…….don’t they know she’s aristocracy.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/11/30/missing-persons-report-filed-for-country-singer-mindy-mccready-five-year-old/?test=faces
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Used to be that way. When you turned 18 you had to turn in for basic training. But we stopped doing that a few years ago, and now we barely have an army at all instead. In case of war men will still be drafted and used as cannon fodder but as our defense is so shitty our government won’t last more than a day if someone attacks us so that’s not going to happen. That’s basically our defensive strategy: Survive for a day and pray that NATO saves our asses by then. Pathetic.
Nope. Sounds more like the Swiss.
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Here in Finland we have conscription for every male, because we live near Russia. Sweden don’t have conscription.
We don’t have dating culture. We don’t date, but rather hook up. Couple meets in the bar and then comes sex. If someone goes on the date, the bill is usually shared. There is no pressure for the men to pay for the date.
Finnish men are taught to be passive with women, because everything (except silence) can be sexually harassment. Often men don’t do anykind of moves to pick up a girl. We don’t do small talk.
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@ Henry
So you could use the english expression, around woman you “walk on egg shells”, true?
I’ve never been more happy to be single and I am saddened that my early teen sex idols come from the country of shrews, Shrewden.
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Henry:
When I visited Finland I found people almost painfully shy. It isn’t just the men, but the women too. It’s amazing to me that people hook up there at all. I remember people being reserved, but in their own way, Finn men are very masculine. They drink a lot and take pride in doing a good job at work. Finn women are not warpig beasts like American hoes and seemed much more feminine also.
Interesting though, your linguistic cousins, the Hungarians, take the cake in the pick-up game, and aren’t shy at all.
Regards, Boxer
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Is there anyway I can get my comments non-moderated?
My old computer broke and I am using a new one and that is why I haven’t been posting for awhile. I am the real Troll King though.
That aside, damn women are evil. This is somewhat offtopic I guess, but damn.
I just came across this, had it opened for awhile in my browser cause I found it on another site while doing my MRM catching up, and this is just…damn. I am so glad I am not married and have sworn off LTRs.
I would like to think that this is fake, but I have known women who acted so similiar that I believe it is real.
The contempt they have for their husbands is palpitable.
http://www.truewifeconfession.com/2011/09/true-wife-confessions-42-ultimate.html
Read ‘em all. Might make a good post too.
I also thought this was a interesting read:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/juliet-jeske/dating-after-divorce-the-_b_979989.html
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@Swede.
Aaah, that is it. It is the Swiss. Sorry, haven’t really been to that part of the world since I was about 8 or something and it has been years since I was told about that.
Would you say that Sweden is male friendly? How about compared to Britain or America or Canada? Have you been to other countries in the region?
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Nevermind about the comment moderation comment. It doesn’t seem to be doing it anymore. Maybe I had my email typed in wrong or something…
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Yes, we are shy in Finland. Here are no pick up culture in public places – you can’t talk to a stranger in the street (which is part of advice in pick up guides) or in the library.
But when you get yourself drunk enough, things start happen. Or trough internet dating, where half dates ends in bed.
I have read, that many American women are wery obese, which is much rarer problem here. I also have read often, that American women are “bitchy”, which might be difference compared to finnish women.
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@ The Troll King
I’d say that Sweden is pretty hostile to men and even more hostile to boys, but in slightly different ways. Our laws may not be as punitive against males as for example marriage laws in the anglosphere, but our society is very determined to turn you into a castrated beta. Male sexuality is extremely vilified. And our standards of rape are… well…
There’s a known problem with boys being discriminated against in school and given lower grades than girls even though they score higher on the national exams, but the official position is pretty much that they only have themselves to blame. Any time the state’s involved you can suspect that men are either officially or inofficially discriminated against.
I’ve only been to southern Europe, but I hear Norway’s in bad shape too.
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i I may be wrong but I have been told by a few people who have visited Sweden(I think it was Sweden but I might be wrong) that every single man is considered part of the army??? Arent they the ones where every man has to register with the military and when they buy a house they are given a lock box to put in their basement with guns, ammo, uniforms, and what not and once a year they have to have it inspected by the government? I remember a former roommate also telling me that most of the bridges and roads are also mined or rigged with explosives so that if they got invaded they could easily destroy them while building up their army???
You are describing Switzerland.
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RE: The question this raises is whether Anglo-style democracy can long survive following women’s empowerment. I’d argue that it probably cannot, and that our democracies will degenerate into something closer to Latin regimes, where votes are simply bought and sold and rule of law is tenuous at best. In such a scenario, women’s status will necessarily decline, as tax revenues will shrink to levels that can no longer support the police state required to keep them “equal.”
Guess again. The police state will be the absolute last thing that will be cut. Even if manpower is reduced, it will be compensated for by increased surveillance and more brutal tactics. For example, I expect we can look forward to an explosion in the use of drones on American soil very soon.
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Thanks for this, WF.
Our country (USA) will collapse in my lifetime, most likely by 2030. My hope I that it will then break up like Russia rather than be metabolized by NWO psychos control freaks. (Or rather, again like Russia, some of both.)
I’ve accepted it now. I’m no longer mentally resisting the post-American future. Instead, I’m simply weighing my options and making the best plans I can.
You guys too?
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I have read, that many American women are wery obese, which is much rarer problem here. I also have read often, that American women are “bitchy”, which might be difference compared to finnish women
Henry, the US is very diverse and divided along class, race, ethnicity, regions and a lot of other factors so it’s hard to make a generalisation about 300m people. And what you see in films and the media may have no relationship to real life.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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And the answer is … because Anglo-Feminism is competing with Judeo-Feminism.
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I forgot to add- it’s a HAPPY day when Attila doesn’t have to run into/deal with hard-core Anglo-Saxons, but especially Anglo-Saxon Women (instant depression!).
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Thanks for this, WF.
Our country (USA) will collapse in my lifetime, most likely by 2030. My hope I that it will then break up like Russia rather than be metabolized by NWO psychos control freaks. (Or rather, again like Russia, some of both.)
I’ve accepted it now. I’m no longer mentally resisting the post-American future. Instead, I’m simply weighing my options and making the best plans I can.
You guys too?
Almost…Almost
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Off topic:
S.1867 now introduced by Levin and Mccain
repeals posse commitatus,the military will be authorized to arresst and etain american citizens indefinetly,effectively declaring the USA a war zone.
Ron Paul has introduced amendments to restrict this to non-citizens only, those amendments begin voting on tonite!
Contact your senators to support the amendments!
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I tend to agree with you on this one. North korea is as broke and desperate as it gets and the government is still there in charge. Due to the second amendment we may get an “american spring” kind of thing.After that the constitution is officially gone and we will have a system of cronyism. Kind of like the Nazi’s or the communist where only people in good standing with “the Party” will get a position in the government. We’re there parcially now with ggovernment salaries over double the private sector average.
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Mr Price, I will always respect you heaps but about Sweden etc you are off the mark in many ways (as male posters from these countries write).
Watching a doco from Swedens men things are very bad, education, politics, laws, all feminised & boys forced to default to females. Men have NO say in ANY policies in programs for equallity..zero. Two men had their children removed from all contact with their dad for no other reason than the mother felt uncomfortable now that they were no longer together. So for a country that only allows school girls to learn self defence while schoolboys are taken away to classes that tell them how bad they are..why arn’t women conscripted to front line army duties for ……equallity? Sweden is very bad place for any males.
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“Ryu November 30, 2011 at 13:48
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You use the word “Anglo” instead of white. It has been passed onto you from the liberals at the universities. Since many people consider mexicans white, you have to cook up a new term to describe whites.”
“Anglo” means white people who are basically British in ethnic origin or whose culture is based on English culture. In the US and elsewhere they can actually be largely Irish or Welsh or such in physical descent. Being white and participating in an English based culture are the definitive traits.
Nobody uses “Anglo” simply to mean white people. Russians are white. Basically, Arabs are white for that matter. The term is for a specific group and developed for countries where there’s more than one race.
Mexicans are largely Indian though many of them are or seem purely European. There are various terms since “Mexican” means a citizen of the Republic of Mexico. How long it takes them to become participants in US culture varies. “Tejano” refers to hispanic persons who have inhabited Texas for centuries and have a distinctive culture. I’d guess a similar term applies for the same elsewhere.
But it is true that leftists flee their deteriorating homes and then proceed to try to make their new homes exactly like the old. That is, ruin them.
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White Nationalists, whether rightly or wrongly, consider all Europeans White and therefore Brothers. Arabs, Afghans, Berbers, Hindus – all Causcasian but not White. They are Cousins. Obviously Southern Europe has absorbed alot of Arabic genes, but culturally they are still compatible with us – as are Arab Christians. Mexicans are mostly Mestizo with a large Indian population in the South. The Elite are largely White – being of Spanish extaction with some Irish, German etc.
Please captialize White as you would Black. Learn to love yourselves.
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From Katherine Heigl, is that Swedish?
“Unfortunately I can’t cut the nuts off human men — yet,” Heigl, 33, quips in the video. “So I’ve dedicated my time to the neutering of dogs because that’s legal.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/katherine-heigl-stars-i-hate-balls-psa-funny-die-promote-spay-neuter-animal-campaign-article-1.984483#ixzz1fFGKJWYI
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Dear Jaego Scorzne November 30, 2011 at 18:01:
Please captialize White as you would Black. Learn to love yourselves.
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True, thanks. Whites are the men of the races.
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@ Ryu
Your comment is really stupid.
“Anglo” is not a substitute for “white”. “Anglo” means English-speaking, or descent, or influenced by English-speaking cultures. There’s a reason why no one refers to Poles or Swedes as “Anglo”. Distinguishing among white people is right and important. Ask the current denizens of the eurozone if there is one “white” race—the Germans will tell you they are nothing like the profligate Greeks & Italians, and so on. There is not one “white” race—that two world wars were fought over this should settle it.
And how on earth you can introduce black people and Mexicans into this conversation is beyond me. The Magna Carta was signed long before “multiculturalism” was ever imagined. English-speaking people have always always been suspicious of their own gov’ts.
But it’s all about the blacks with you. Because when all you have is a hammer, then every problem must be a nail.
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America the way it is now is unsustainable. Of course some people will laugh at that, (feminists and liberals) but I fully expect in my lifetime to see America maybe not hit rock bottom, but become a country where anybody with any sense is going to try and leave.
You have to many worthless women pretending to be something they are not. These are not super women that will lead us to greater and greater heights. But just a bunch of loud, obnoxious, brats who are trying to convince themselves that they are the key to a better America. I have to say, it doesn’t really look like it’s going to happen ladies. Of course you can just blame men when this shaky house of cards finally comes tumbling down.
To many men don’t give a shit, (for good reason) and this is the other major factor why this country will eventually fall.
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WF Price,
The question this raises is whether Anglo-style democracy can long survive following women’s empowerment. I’d argue that it probably cannot,
I am sadly coming to the same conclusion, something I would never have even contemplated 3 years ago.
Democracy has a life-cycle, after which it is inevitably followed by a short-term feminist police state. This is because women vote for what benefits women only, while men vote for what benefits all people.
Also, the institution of Marriage 1.0 simply *cannot* survive several decades of women having the right to vote. The two are just not compatible to survive simultaneously for more than a century or so.
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Draw a chart with two axes. One for ‘duration of women voting’ and the other for ‘duration that the society has been prosperous enough to provide basic needs’.
In the upper-right of the chart you will see the Anglosphere countries.
Countries high on democracy but low on prosperity include India. Countries high on prosperity but low on duration of democracy include Spain, Germany, etc.
Now, note how the upper-right countries have the most misandry.
Countries high on any one, but not both axes, have some misandry here and there, but nowhere near critical mass (yet).
Countries on the lower left of the chart are undesirably places, of course, despite the lack of misandry.
But it is clear that neither the upper-right nor lower-left of the chart is a good place to be.
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Nobody uses “Anglo” simply to mean white people. Russians are white. Basically, Arabs are white for that matter.
Actually, it goes further. From 1923 onwards, the US Supreme court ruled that some Caucasians were not white, namely Persians and Indians.
Thus, all Census forms until the 2001 census showed ‘White/Caucasian’ as the only racial choice for all whites, Arabs, Persians, and Indians to check off. There were no other options for Persians and Indians to choose.
Look carefully at old Census forms. It is never ‘White’, but rather ‘White Caucasian’.
And yes, this is why Sperm banks (and egg banks) group all white, Arab, Persian, and Indian sperm/eggs into the same bundle, without distinction. They are merely following US Census guidelines, and there is no choice in the matter. A sperm or egg donation has a lot more implication than a college admissions form or a driver’s license, but this is what happens when a SCOTUS decision guides the census for decades, which then percolates into ALL forms where ‘race’ is asked.
Anyone who doesn’t like this has to take it up with the SCOTUS.
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@ Craig Himself,
Been there for a while………not only have I accepted it…I welcome this development…….what the US has become, from the magnificent place it was, isn’t worth perserving anymore.
@ Attila,
You nailed this one……..that is all that needs to be said……..see above comment.
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If the U. S. did collapse into fifty-seven (previously the fifty states, D. C., Puerto Rico, Guam, the U. S. Virgin Islands, the Northern Mariana Islands and American Samoa and who knows what will be done with DOD installations in a hypothetical breakup; fifty-seven students contested the Geography Bee when I did) independent countries in 2030 (the year I would turn forty-nine), I would have to say that outcome would be only mildly disappointing given my namesake.
However, when it comes to the U. S. treatment of what remains of male success, including but clearly not limited to the still sausage-fest but now renamed National Geographic Bee, plus the possibility of my still home state of New York having no more ability to whine about shedding U. S. representatives after federal censuses (after every census almost the whole state of New York is mad about lost U. S. House seats), the fact that my home state would likely flounder as a Nicaragua-sized country surrounded by Canada and also independent Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont and the possibility that antifeminist states will no longer be accountable to the Supreme Court, a U. S. breakup circa 2030 sounds like a winner to me.
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Having been to Sweden twice, I can say that while the myth of all women being beautiful is not true….
…It is certainly true that they do not have the obesity present in US women, nor do they dress poorly as many US women do.
So the percentage of women who are acceptably attractive is high…(even though 9s and 10s are rare as with anywhere else). In other words, there are fewer women below the ‘floor’.
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Talking about Europe:…. a new law in Belgium:
In Belgium, as of today, the man can be banned form his home for up to 10 days, when accused by his wife or girlfriend or verbal or physical violence.
The man cannot make any contact with his family during these 10 days, and can get up to 1 year in prison should he try to do so anyway.
Within these 10 days, the case will come before the family court (vredegerecht), which will take further measures.
As if this was not enough, Minister of Internal Affairs (Annemie Turtelboom) wants that the house will be searched, and any weapons inside the house will be confiscated, when a woman makes a complaint about any physical or verbal violence. There goes your precious collection.
Any man who lets a woman live in his house is a total fool.
All she has to do is pick up the phone…
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Belgium has also an extremely broad definition of domestic violence:
“every form of physical, sexual, psychological, or economical violence between spouses or persons who are living together or have lived together, and between who there exists or has existed a durable affective and sexual relation”.
( iedere vorm van fysiek, seksueel, psychisch of economisch geweld tussen echtgenoten of personen die samenwonen of samengewoond hebben en tussen wie een duurzame affectieve en seksuele band bestaat of bestaan heeft )
Sexual, psychological, or economical violence???
Why not also include “virtual” or “imaginary” violence? That would make it complete.
It is clear that this definition is especially designed to include as many as possible situations and subjects.
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Well, actually it is simple. The answer to the title that is.
Women hate men, they see us as sperm donors and walking wallets and status objects and dildos and emotional tampons and so on.
They don’t love men. They are incapable of loving men.
They FALL in love with men and then FALL out of love with those same men. This is ofcourse after they have squeezed the poor fellow of his possession and broken his spirit or used him as a sperm donor to extract even more resources from him.
The difference between the west and the rest of the world is that in other places women still go by the more traditional female facade of manipulating a man through non-sincere displays of affection.
Remember that femininity is a PERFORMANCE! Feminists themselves even admit to it.
Women caring about men and boys and maleness is about as real as movie guns that hold 5oo bullets per magazine that are capable of blowing up gas tanks. Or CGI, yep it is about as real as CGI.
Here is what the average woman thinks of men:
http://jezebel.com/5863621/woman-lets-matchcom-dates-pay-for-all-of-her-dinners
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“When seen in the context of the traditional Anglo antagonism toward government, it’s pretty clear that feminists are, for all intents and purposes, allies of the state against the people”
Agreed. But it’s not only women who are aligned with the government at the expense of the people. Any group which benefits from big govt, like blacks with affirmative action, are also allies of the state against the people.
I’ve been to Finland twice for powerlifting, and didn’t think the folks shy at all. In fact I thought they were friendly and welcoming. Guess that had more to do with powerlifting then the Finnish culture
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Look carefully at old Census forms. It is never ‘White’, but rather ‘White Caucasian’.
That’s only because the terms were used interchangeably and not for the reasons you’re giving. You could probably classify people into hundreds of “races” if you wanted to and in the past people would refer to people as the French race or English race etc.
So these races are really just very broad categories. For the purposes of the census, a Caucasian or White is someone who traces his ancestry to Europe, W Asia and N Africa.
There has been so much migration and invasians between areas of the world that all you can say about “race” is that you fit into one of the broad categories more than you fit into another category.
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Enjoy everyone’s comments here, and this is my first time adding my 2 cents. Yeah, it looks like women’s power has gone viral worldwide. Hate to read all these stories which I know are true about the abuse guys go through everywhere.
I’m married and hate my wife, but unfortunately I’ve been married for over 20 years and know that she would clean me out in family court if I filed for divorce. Checked already with a lawyer, and lots of comments about the special rights of women is really true. All that I’ve read on this blog through the many weeks are not hyperbole at all.
Best thing is for young men to be schooled in the traps women lay out because it can really save their life.
If I had it to do over again, hell, I’d rather be gay than be married.
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@greyghost: To be fair, North Korea is nowhere NEAR self-sufficient. Do you seriously imagine the combination of people as badly starved as the general population of North Korea and a military which is only good for abusing its population being an efficient agricultural state? Its pretty much only the general army being fed with supplies receive from other nations that’s stopping the army leadership from deposing of the current regime. Why would evil sociopaths like the ones in North Korean Government be geniunely loyal to him or his offspring?
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What? Two world wars were fought to determine who is and who is not racially White?
I am of the view that two world wars were fought to establish communism as a European power and then to consolidate it as a world power.
The only people who won in BOTH world war 1 and world war 2 were the international finance capitalists who were in bed with their cousins, the international communists.
WW1 was supposedly to make the world safe for democracy, at its conclusion a third of the population of Europe (Russia) was under communist tyranny and communist movements were exported across the world.
At the end of WW2, what I consider “the great war against Christian and Nationalist regeneration” 0r “the war to make the world safe for communism,” thanks to a coalition of creeps, Churchill, Roosevelt, etc, all in the pocket of the elite bankers, Stalin was given a free hand to directly take-over half of Europe and then spread communism into Manchuria where the forces under Mao took over and used it as a stronghold to expel the Nationalists from mainland China.
At the beginning of WW2 communism was a problem in the sense that it dominated the Soviet Union, at the end of WW2 communism was a problem in the sense that it dominated HALF of the world. Thank you very much greatest generation, thank you very much FDR, thank you very much churchill, thank you very much suckers and saps who voted those creeps into office and kept them in office.
The greatest generation willingly destroyed the only nations that dared to rise up and say “NO!” to domination by communists, bankers, finance lords, and then they came home and sat on their asses while their daughters went off to college to learn about being whores and hating men. The greatest generation like to point their fingers at the boomers and the flower power types, the hippies, the feminists, those are their children and grandchildren! Who raised those failed generations? The “greatest” generation did!
World War One was fought to allow communism to establish itself with a national level base. World War Two was fought to make Europe and the world safe for communism.
Germany, Italy, Japan, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, they stood in the way of global communism, they had to go…
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Regarding the relationship of state, family and individual in Anglo and Scandinavian countries:
http://www.jonworth.eu/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Screen-shot-2011-02-11-at-17.03.37.png
Taken from “The Nordic Way” and specifially a swedish paper “Pippi Longstocking: The Autonomous Child and the Moral Logic of the Swedish Welfare State”
“I’m not sure the rape hysteria in Sweden is entirely a feminist creation, however.”
With opinions(official facts?) above, I don’t think that the muslim immigrants(or Somalian or other) have had a large part in creating the rape hysteria. I remember reading about how they ‘whitened’ the blurred criminal pics that appear in the newspapers to make it look like that it was someone from the native population.
And considering that they have a political party called Feminist Initiative that tried to contest in national elections but a documentary “The Gender War” that revealed its extremist views made people distance themselves from it.
Jane Fonda and Eve Ensler went on its election tour in 2005.
http://old.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200602220826.asp
“Fathers’ rights are taken seriously, and fathers are given leave to spend time with children along with mothers. ”
I don’t know about sweden, in norway it’s kinda forced. And not because they care about father-child bond, but primarily because it helps women in their quest for wage-equality and,
From an article in The Economist titled:
“Britain and the Nordic world
The strongest girls in the world”
(that is the same paper I referenced at the start)
And then they condescendingly say that it helps to forge the father-child bond and this improvement is visible in that now more men demand custody rights for their children!!
“In Scandinavia, the people – including men – feel that their government is for their benefit rather than opposed to their interests.”
Besides the homogeneity, the public schooling there is much more effective.
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I think that pussy worship is an important part of what makes anglo feminism so virulent. Look at Game for example. For all of the PUAs’ denials, it really does boil down to putting women on a pedestal. It’s exactly the same as chivalry. For all their pretend toughness and pretend not caring about women, at the heart of it all they really do care, and they care a great deal. They need women to validate their shallow existence. They define their identity and purpose by what women think of them. It’s the reason why women are so much easier to connect with beyond the anglosphere. They’re less likely to have to groan under their breath “oh no, not another pussy beggar!”
And of course when men place women on a pedestal, they are surrendering their power. Feminism is about grasping that power to their own advantage.
Feminism in Sweden, however, might seem like a paradox. But as a couple of writers both here and at AVFM have pointed out, there are historical and political precedents that provide some explanation. These explanations have been enlightening.
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I have my doubts about this theory of corruption of rape law being a result of multiculturalism rather than feminism. Muslims are far more likely than Swedish men to commit unambiguous rapes where the traditional definition will suffice. Indeed, rape as defined by feminists keeps getting used as an excuse my multiculturalists to “prove” that Muslims aren’t so bad after all, since the way the law defines it, the vast majority of rapes are committed by natives. That’s certainly how it is in Norway, and I would guess Sweden is similar. Thus you have the absurd situation where nearly all rapes of the unequivocal type where a woman is attacked by a stranger in the streets are committed by (mostly Muslim) immigrants, yet feminists are still able to argue that our own men are no better. Rape law reform would be just as odious without Muslims, and is almost entirely directed against the rest of us.
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Using the Muslim moral yardstick, Swedish and Norse women are far worse than whores. Whores, at least, ask money.
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IMO, finnish culture is not feminist at all.
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Female economic parasitism is natural allied to ‘government’ parasitism i.e. institutionalized tax-collection. Women will also side with security over freedom every time and are dogmatic zealots of ‘majority think’ propaganda which is whatever the top despots say it is. So much for our ‘better halves’ post-1984.
I agree with Eric Wolf and Greyghost. With a monopoly on violence and the printing presses, the ‘government’ will be the very last thing to go.. and if it does go (eg Egypt or France 1789) it will be quickly replaced by a less decadent team of ‘experts.’ Our only hope is that an adequate number of future ‘slavers’ has been adequately exposed to the principles of Men’s Rights.
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Arpagus
I agree with you in the idea, that muslims are not behind tightening of the sexual laws.
Feminists just want to give more power and options to women and less movebility to men. That’s why laws of rape and sexual harassment in feminist speak are defined in a manner, that crime has been committeed, if women FEELS that she has been violeted sexually – in a way or a other.
Zero tolerance agaist sexuallharassment are promoted here in the Finland. Yet nobody has bees succesful at defining sexual harassment. Feminist just say, that “every sane people can tell difference between harassment and appropriate behavior”.
Feminist just want women to have the possibility to accuse a man, if man has somehow insulted the woman – as it was in the Assange case.
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Ryu
If feminists had common sense they would advocate building a 2000 mile fence along the US – Mexican border and pray to God the USA never becomes Mexicanized. Hispanic values are NOT complimentary to feminist values. In some ways they can be extreme opposites. Hispanic culture is a traditional culture that emphasizes (more so than Anglo) that
1. men are men
2. women are women
You are expected to act your role and there is much less tolerance for anyone who dares to deviate from these norms. This reminds me a story about a Latin American expatriate that got a professional job in America. His first great culture shock was when he stepped into a typical office building in corporate America, all the women were crossdressed (according to Hispanic standards)! Back in his home country women had their nails manicured, their hair and make-up was kept pretty. They did not look like they just jumped out of the shower and spent less than 5 minutes throwing their clothes on to get fully dressed in the morning. That was a privilege that only men were allowed to get away with.
1. Hispanic culture demands that females should at least try to put some effort into looking pretty.
2. Anglo culture demands that men treat all females as princesses simply because they were born with a vagina.
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Oh I don’t know… sounds to me like hispanic culture has the princess syndrome etched into the genes, it’s just that they’re too impoverished, disorganized and self-interested to make it all happen for them the way that the anglos have. I don’t know about this “men are men and women are women” thing. Sounds to me like grist for the white-knighting mill entitling paper-alphas to go around telling men to “man up”.
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Arpagus has it right.
the new definition of rape will not cause the slightest increase in vibrant rape since they are usually in the assault/gang rape category.
The reason for these vague laws is either a feminist move on their western male hatred (since I do not see feminists rising against any issue that includes a vibrant male, I conclude the hate is towards westerners only); or it is a move to get more westerners branded rapists under the new laws, as to hide the fact that majority of assault/gang rapes are committed by vibrants,
To wash the bloody hands of the multiculti priests.
Tying that to the will to catch more “real” rapists would me misleading, as the feminists have been silent, very silent, about the Scandinavian rape epidemic that has close to none western man involved.
Will be eagerly waiting for Henri Laasanen’s piece as it will be a refreshing view compared to the day in day out cryings of the MSM about “women earn less than men”; next week, “Polls show men have more free time” (where in actuality the data they present has men working way more than the women); and “We need to make sex ed immigrant friendly”; and the president last year declared “women and children are the main sufferers of war and conflict”.
In this topic, once again, I want to say that the blogger Whiskey has the best analysis on the topic of immigration, besides the treason of the elites.
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Henry,
The cases here may not be as bad as in the States and the UK, but I have made it a habit to never close the door when I got a student coming in for a meeting. Even a female colleague that I know will not be with me in the same room alone, even if we at the university are quite friendly and get well with eachother.
Btw, we are in the Little Christmas Party Season, and it is well known for women claiming rape when they get wasted in the party and forgot to go home and instead went and shagged a coworker or some stud from the venue.
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Off topic:
Singer Ushers ex-wife is trying everything in the book to squeeze more money out of him,… using the children, of course.
http://uptownmagazine.com/2011/11/usher-stands-to-lose-custody-of-children/
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Just another example of how having children, as a man, can make your life a living hell.
Because you love them.
The person you once loved, is now your enemy for life, en devotes all her time and energy to manufacture new plans to hurt and destroy you.
And she knows her strongest weapon, and she’s not afraid to use it: custody over the children.
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I am somewhat sure that “Anglo” is not a university liberal thing. When I am in the States, I live in southern Texas, and that term Anglo is in common usage. And, actually, they do use it to refer to all whites.
DNA samples estimate that 2/3 of Mexican male ancestry is from the Iberian Peninsula, that is, European. And, 2/3 of female Mexican ancestry is indigenous.
My son lives in a Muslim dominated nation, and he says while on the street, men rule, in the home, women rule the roost, and it is per Muslim law.
I live in Mexico, and I assure you sex roles are much more sharply defined.
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@ Craig Himself November 30, 2011 at 15:51
I agree. There is a godamned finacial shit bomb coming to this nation and I think the grrls know it. But I no longer care. Soon, the currency will be worthless. All the sinecures women enjoy will be wiped out. When SHTF there will be bedlam. Thanks to the decay of masculinity, the people are so dumbed down and entitled they will be cannibals in a matter of weeks. This is no exagerration. Just picture the hurricane katrina aftermath times fifty or sixty. I will not stick around to be fed the meat grinder for a society that scorns boys and men.
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“”My son lives in a Muslim dominated nation, and he says while on the street, men rule, in the home, women rule the roost, and it is per Muslim law.””
So men, effectivly rule NOWHERE (unless you’re the king or a boss you don’t rule the streets). Is there anywhere that men rule the home and the streets? ANYWHERE? ANY FUCKING RELIGION OR SOCIAL SYSTEM?
Since the muslims are pro-woman and want to chop off mens’ limbs etc, should we get rid of the muslims?
They even let women divorce at will (kulah)
“”I live in Mexico, and I assure you sex roles are much more sharply defined.””
No one has ANY idea what you are talking about. Do men rule everywhere there? No? Just the “streets”
Explain yourself
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” … Scandinavian countries are not nearly so punitive toward fathers … extremely broad definition of rape in Sweden …”
The problem with Sweden is not family court (which is less unfair towards fathers than in the US).
The problem with Sweden is not criminal court (which is more unfair towards accused men than in the US).
The problem with Sweden is the systematic dehumanization and humiliation of boys in K-12 public school.
Here is Pelle Billing describing the fascist outrage:
http://acatalogueoflies.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/manboobz-and-supporters-give-tacit-approval-of-radical-feminist-anti-male-hate-propaganda-scum-being-taught-to-high-school-children/
School children are forced to attend a performance of SCUM, a feminist manifesto that calls for the elimination of all men and boys. The boys are forced to sit on wooden benches, while the girls are given soft pillows and candy. The boys are then harassed and condemned by their teachers, while the girls laugh at them. This is what passes for “education” in the nightmare state of Sweden.
Sweden is a fascist nation in the grip of a feminist hate campaign against men, boys, and fathers.
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Sweden seems to have a large number of rape complaints, yet rarely are there convictions. This seems to show the high possibililty that what you have in Sweden is a large number of false rape claims.
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Ryu just like others love to bring up racial issues in what is suppose to be a mens forum. Ryu loves to be very selective of the examples he makes. Stemming from gerrymandering of data.
OK Ryu, you bring up Detroit as an example. What about the minority majority states of Hawaii and New Mexico?
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I agree with you, buggeroff11. While fathers’ rights are an important part of mens’ rights, there are so much more issues to be pondered when it comes to the quality of mens’ lives. The Scandinavian coutries are certainly among the least desireable for any male to live in.
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Always funny to read this sort of thing coming from outsiders. Some of it true, some of it… less so.
Sweden (and other Scandinavian countries, to which group Finland does not belong, btw) are in a bad way with feminism, if with a slightly different way than Anglo-derived cultures. Divorce laws are not quite as insane as they are in the US, and divorce is less painful, but rest assured it’s painful enough. Fathers have less rights than mothers, but not no rights at all, like in the US. On the other hand, feminist state propaganda is overwhelming, to an extent you can’t even begin to comprehend in America. And the rape laws… well, let’s just say that between feminism and the rabid official denials of any problems with multiculturalism, we’ve ended up where the Duke Lacross team outrage would be the best this legal system could hope for.
So ultimately the flavours of the feminist hate ideology and it’s societal expressions are somewhat different. But overall, the failure modes are the same. We are both being eradicated from the Earth as cultures and people, replaced by those who haven’t bought in to neither feminism nor liberal guilt.
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Feminist application of statistics (to villianize the male half as a group), very carefully avoids dividing the numbers across racial and/or socio-economic lines. As a matter of fact, it’s rare the researcher herself even bothers to question it.
Much like ethnic Muslim oriented domestic violence, rape and sexual assault in Sweden is never broken out, low income whites and identifiable minority groups in the US are never distinguished in “reports” presented to the government to elicit funding. This presents the “male control problem” as one that cuts across ALL racial and class lines, because we must not discriminate based on race or income…only, in making the case for disparaging men as a group, gender.
If Bubba’s wife hurts herself falling over in the trailer during an argument, Bubba is hauled off to jail. If Amanda calls the police from her McMansion in the burbs and says her husband frightened her, he’s hauled off to jail. Both cases are treated equally, because they both involve men with women and domestic violence statute declares it so.
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@ AntZ
Can you, and others, please stop using the term “fascist” as a generic slur for a bully or an authoritarian regime. Historic fascist governments lauded the virtues of masculine behavior and often enforced gender roles.
Fascist refers to a specific political/economic doctrine, it should NOT be used as a generic term to mean “controlling and authoritarian regime or system of control.”
Sweden is NOT a fascist nation by any measure. By all standards it is essentially a socialist/communist/marxist nation.
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Dane here. My perspective, somewhat simplified, is this: We lag behind. It is still safe, so far as legal action goes, to be a man in this country. But we are becoming increasingly feminized. Women are acting like men and becoming fatter and fatter, and men are as weak as women, both in body and mind. The Scandinavian fertility rate is higher than the rest of Europe (which is at 1.4 on average – meaning we are missing a third of the next population) but we are still below replacement level, and even if we were above it there are simply not enough of us to lift the rest of Europe.
In the recent election the red block won (we have several dozen parties with different agendas that make alliances and backroom deals to get policies pushed through and… it’s complicated. But they still form into two camps, red and blue or communists and capitalists. The communists won). What this means is that we have more “Wallstreeters” than honest working people. In fact less than half of the country works, the rest are on some form of welfare. Which, as we know, is destructive to the male spirit.
The Danish economy is still solid, compared to the rest of Europe. But if these people remain in power, and they just might, then it won’t last. They are horrible at managing the economy, their idea of economic growth is to push ever increasing taxes on the general population. A fat tax was recently introduced. A sugar tax is in the works. More green taxes, to the point of putting entire corporations out of business. The tickets for minor traffic violations will be tripled in a few months. And on and on. The state is fine economically this way, but the money is being taken from ordinary people. It will work for a while, especially as we are not a rebellious people, but the nation itself is not making money on it. We are just redistributing money from those who earn them to those who do not.
So far as immigrants, we are in a pretty good position. We tightened immigration rules years back and we have no real problems with them aside from being a drain on our resources and a bit of petty crime here and there. Sweden however is a lost cause. They are too open and undemanding of their immigrants, and I hear stories of cops standing idly by during violent encounters between immigrants and the natives.
On the whole this is probably one of the safest countries to live in in the world at this time. Immigration is more or less under control, the economy will hold longer than the rest of Europe and we are not dying out quite as rapidly as the big European countries. But people are dead on the inside. Safety is safe, but it kills the human spirit. Our fertility rate will probably plummet down to the level of the rest of the western world in due time and when the coming bankruptcies and conflicts erupt around the world we will not have the military might to defend ourselves.
The only remaining question is, where should I move to?
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http://satwcomic.com/robots
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Rixstep (good site for news on the Assange case) has translated Swedish MRA Pär Ström’s book “Six Feminist Myths”.
http://rixstep.com/2/20111117,00.shtml
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– Ultimately, yes. However, a short time later, 3 days?, he was a gonner, though.
Just adding a little commentary GW but I’m sure you know about the following.
Usury through private agency is somewhat involved with governments’ publicly enabling the feminist crutch. Billions have been borrowed from banks and spent toward almost anything imaginable for females to benefit from (at the expense of all men, mind you). Private institutions of lending are merely offering a service but that comes with an attached added contractual price.
It’s not the banks’ fault that feminism continues to exist as banks are out to do business. But culpability of feminist enablement lies within governments who then have to raise taxes to pay back principle plus interest to pay for all the out-of-control programming that feminists demand and gravitate toward. Like one big mad shopping spree with two sugar daddies – the men collective and big guv. – paying for it all. These assholes think nothing of using other people and their bodies for aspects of their own short-sighted gain at the expense of all others.
Then there is Paul who advised that women be separated within the synagogue church – that is, not seated next to each other – and to be silent and modest. Obviously little of that is ocuring today.
What Paul advised for a spiritual understanding and a culture based on this understanding feminist chicks probably revel in being contrary to. Now that more and more men are keeping better track of what’s going on female behavior cannot be blamed on men. Excepting the white knight hidden bureaucrat. Female influence upon a culture will finally be revealed for what it is.
People in Paul’s time didn’t have plumbing and computers, etc., but this doesn’t mean they weren’t capable of insight and observation.
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Can anyone who lives in sweden or studies it closely explain to me how their economy hasn’t blown up yet? As an outsider who hasnt studied it closely, it seems like a socialist-feminist welfare state with a huge housing/credit bubble….i.e. disaster waiting to happen.
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@ Bryan
No. That two world wars were instigated and fought largely by Europeans should be more than enough evidence that there are deep, serious and intractable differences among the various groups of “white” people. Ryu talks about the “white” race as if it all one group—hence his dislike of terms like “Anglo”.
It’s moronic.
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Then why do anglo feminists almost universally fantasize about living in what they perceive to be the Scando welfare state?
In the anglo state, they have to provide sexual favors to the betas they want to enslave through no-fault divorce.
In the scando state, they can go straight for the bad-boy-alpha-who-will-not-be-a-good-father, get impregnated by him, and then have the state send the bill to all the betas.
The scando state seems nicer simply because they allow women to cut out the unpleasantness of having to sleep with a beta.
Plus, the scando state is completely untenable w/o racial homogeneity. The adversarial relationship between state and subject quickly rears its head when betas discover they will be paying against their will for lots of kids that don’t look like them at all. The fascist parties of Denmark and Sweden are 100% correct that their welfare states and their way of life that is inextricably linked to it cannot survive with immigration.
Before someone screams “racist!”, I’m just stating how little I think of the welfare state.
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“Anonymous December 1, 2011 at 15:53
Can anyone who lives in sweden or studies it closely explain to me how their economy hasn’t blown up yet? As an outsider who hasnt studied it closely, it seems like a socialist-feminist welfare state with a huge housing/credit bubble….i.e. disaster waiting to happen.”
Huge amounts of oil under the North Sea and a small population.
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Wow the situation in Denmark sounds similar to the situation in Germany. Half the population works full time in a non government capacity. The rest are students, children, unemployed/perpetual welfare, disabled or the elderly. We are also far below replacement rate population wise and it’s mostly the Turkish immigrant underclass and the poor that reproduce – Germany imported many Turkish “guest” workers in the 60ies for non-skilled labor. These guests stayed and reproduced and their assimilation was avoided completely on the ground of multiculturalism. Criminal justice is a joke as long as it’s only petty theft and roberry and you can proof a difficult childhood or some minority background (just don’t let them catch you evading taxation). There are adolescents running around with 30 prior convictions who never served jail time.
Net real taxation is probably around 50%, every other Euro is going through the governments hand, this of course depends on your income, if you earn double the national average you are in the highest tax bracket and pay ~30-42% income tax in addition to 40% payroll tax, 19% VAT and various taxes on energy.
Of course, feminism is rampant as well here. Gender Mainstreaming is a policy adopted by most ministries and a declared goal of the ministry for women, family, youth and seniors (note who’s missing?). This mainstreaming of course means, you can be any gender you want as long as it’s female. As for divorce, you can get out unharmed up until two years, after that you’ll have to pay alimony for a certain amount of time, up to 40% of your income (the combined income of husband and wife is divided by two, the side with the higher salary has to make up the difference), you can keep 10% more than the ex wife so as to “encourage” you to keep working (cynical). All assets acquired during marriage are split 50:50. Child support is tied to your income level, additionally you have to pay alimony to an unwed mother for 3 years after the child is born. I think divorce rates are pretty similar to the English speaking countries.
I think if the more left (there is no real conservative party here, the only parties that could be considered right are usually close to national socialists) Party and the green party are elected again we’ll also see Swedish style rape laws with the “negligent rape” clause if you fail to get consent and the de facto reversal of burden of proof.
Seems like it’s bad everywhere. I mean what’s left is Asia and Africa and maybe eastern Europe but those places are not that great if you value freedom and democracy… Well this place is great so as long as you are not the only remaining minority that can legally be discriminated against: Male, white, single, christian or atheist and heterosexual.
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You want to drive a fembot crazy (is that possible?) —just tell her that you support abortion on demand unconditionally – including the trend of sex-selective abortion as it is practiced in India, China, and many other nations. It’s like offering “free ham” to a very serious practitioner of no-pork religions….LOL!
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I don’t believe that’s true. The second world war was stirred up by mad men for economic reasons and as a direct result of the first world war (which was so completely stupid it’s unimaginable). I think in almost all wars you’ll find an economic background, the racial hatred is just dialed up to hide that it’s really all about real estate. Hell the Europeans have been at it for hundreds of years, just imagine if Germany attacks France some of the Frenchmen they fight might be their ancestors from 2 generations ago. Same goes for Poland. These lands were changing hands several times every century. It takes a lot to summarily hate a large group of people enough to want to risk your life to kill them, and those people are usually batshit crazy. The Roman legions at least got land and slaves.
Another example: Christmas night in the trenches between France and Germany during world war one the opposing sides even sang songs together and exchanged gifts after days fierce battle, which of course recommenced the next day. The soldiers don’t give a shit, why kill someone you don’t even know for a piece of land you have no interest in? It’s just the madness of crowd at work, stirred up by the psychopaths in power.
Another counterpoint is the long-standing peace now achieved in Europe, although they are fighting out the battles economically instead of attempting to build a union for mutual benefit (much like modern marriage).
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“Huge amounts of oil under the North Sea and a small population.”
I believe you are referring to Norway, not Sweden.
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Henry Laasanen.
Are you a feminist, MRA, gender-neutral researcher or what? Your writings in your link to Uusi Suomi (New Finland) are ambivalent about
feminism.
Also, do you research your articles accurately? Quoting you,
“3. We don’t have “sex offender lists”.
About dozen years ago a man had an argument with his girlfriend. He drove out and picked up a hitchhiker. He had sex with her and was convicted of rape and sentenced to 6 months in prison and required to register for 10 years. He moved out of Helsinki to a virtually deserted island in the interior. He build a shed and later modified it. After 10 years he moved back to Helsinki
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Native Swede: ” Fathers have less rights than mothers [in Sweden], but not no rights at all, like in the US. On the other hand, feminist state propaganda is overwhelming, to an extent you can’t even begin to comprehend in America. ”
It’s same here in Finland with state funded feminist propaganda. In the USA individual masculists and masculist debate, but in Finland the state debates for the feminism. Masculists can – of course – debate back in the internet, but we have no real power against the state feminism.
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continent: “Henry Laasanen. Are you a feminist, MRA, gender-neutral researcher or what?”
I would classify myself as a “gender liberal masculist”. By masculism I refer to paying attentention to men’s problems as researchers position.
I am certainly not feminist, but somewhat gender neutral – allthough anyone does not classify me as gender neutral.
I have currently 4 different blogs. My oldest blog is (currently a link blog)…
http://ihmissuhteet.blogspot.com/
There are more than 3500 posts, tens of thousends links (half of them in english and the blog have had 1,7 million wiewers.
And there is old blog “Female sexual power” about my book…
http://nsvalta.blogspot.com/
It’s not updated, but there may be links on interest in english
http://nsvalta.blogspot.com/2008/01/aiheeseen-liittyvi-tutkimuksia.html
And here in references for the book starting with letter “B”
http://nsvalta.blogspot.com/2008/02/ennakkokritiikki.html
The I have my blog in Internet Newspaper Uusi Suomi (New Finland), which I get more publicity. There I write currently on men’s equality problems.
In the sidebar is a link “Most important writings” [Which I can translate to here if here I people that are interested]
http://henrylaasanen.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/47575-keskeisia-kirjoituksia
It’s divided in writings about “Mating market” and Men’s eguality.
There are writings such as “The discourse coalition of feminists and concervatives”
http://henrylaasanen.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/61286-konservatiivien-ja-feministien-diskurssikoalitio
Men’s 10 most important equality problems
http://henrylaasanen.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/32605-miesten-tasa-arvo-ongelmien-top-10
…and The evolution of men’s movements (with diagram)
http://henrylaasanen.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/39832-miesliikkeiden-kehitysvaiheita
The fourt blog is currently not working (it will be back soon) because criminal activity:
http://www.huoltamo.com/blogit/kaikki/henry-laasanen/
There are more “classy” writings of develoging further the theory female sexual power and the theory sexual market value theory.
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continent: “Also, do you research your articles accurately? Quoting you,
“3. We don’t have “sex offender lists”.”
I was trying to say, that we don’t that kind of sex offender lists (as in some parts of USA), that prevents sex offenders living in certain addresses. I have read articles about sex offender (17 year old have had sex with her 16 old girlfrend) lists in the USA. After that the “offender” is forced to live under the bridge, because he is not allowed housing near children.
We sex offender lists, that prevents sex offender working in childcare etc. but it’s more understandable.
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@AnitIdiocy:
“A few years back, I visited Sweden. The country was clean, prosperous, highly cultured, and physically beautiful. I got a clear sense that the men felt that they were discriminated against and that they weren’t free to openly speak about it; nevertheless, the men and women that I met got along very nicely overall. The women didn’t carry the chip on their shoulders that Anglo women carry (yeah, yeah, NAAWALT). I even met an attractive woman who spoke out openly against radfems. On the whole, I found the Swedish women pleasant, in good shape, and even charming. What a difference from the Anglosphere!”
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Give it about twenty years. In addition, the men get along with the women because the women WANT to get along with the men. The men don’t have a choice at all in the matter.
Much like with abortion.
But if all the women in Sweden were to decide to get pissed off like OUR women, those men will be feel no more at peace than we do.
And so it goes.
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Anon at 15:53 says
It is common knowledge that the overall tax rate in Sweden is VERY high. Taxes take up 50% of the nation’s GDP, while compared to other countries like say Singapore it is only 13% of GDP. In the USA it’s less than 30%.
However the devil is really in the details. In Sweden the tax burden falls on consumers not corporations. In fact Sweden actually has a very friendly pro-business tax policy. Swedish manufacturing companies can compete because they are NOT taxed to death. It is the consumer aka Joe Sixpack that is taxed to death with income taxes and VAT taxes.
Sweden is a friendly place for corporations.
Sweden is not a friendly place for individuals with financial aspirations to climb up one step higher.
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Farkgetabout sweedone. With any luck, global warming will drown the place. Ergo, use more energy and burn more stuff.
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“The national government in Finland takes men’s rights seriously, and fathers are given a great deal of consideration. ”
Um, sorry, but no. Situation in Finland may not be as bad as in Sweden, but IT IS BAD.
Men’s rights are a joke in Finland, government definitely doesn’t take them seriously, and fathers are not given any more than token consideration.
Men are certainly treated like whiners when they even mention that they should have some rights as well (Finland is a country that worships ‘real manly men’, soldiers, war, etc. partially because of a relatively recent wintertime war – Sweden lacks this kind of history).
Feminists rule Finland with an iron grip, fathers are mocked and shamed during ‘father’s day’, and women are rewarded just for being women. The official ‘equality’ board has one profeminist-mangina man and the rest are women. Finland has a chicken-brained, man-hating, “womens euro is 80 cents”-lesbo-feminist woman as the president. Military is mandatory for men, but voluntary for women (in other words, women can come to play in Military if they want to, but no one forces them to – it used to be so that women couldn’t join even if they wanted, but this was ‘inequal’ of course.. – men being FORCED to join (or they face immediate jail – there’s the option of being a civil cervant, which usually means 13 months of slavery (wall-washing being one of the tasks) in a gloomy institution in the middle of nowhere with minimal ‘pay’ (in practice, men are forced to get themselves in debt during this period because the money is almost nil).
Feminists are found in every place of power in Finland. They are always given as much free time, voice and space in all media, especially the written media, like newspapers etc. MRA’s are censored in the electronic media, their comments are removed, and so on.
Finland is a nightmare for a MRA. This is a factual truth, ask anyone who is a MRA and lives in Finland. I am sorry to break your illusions and ideal views of Finland, but the truth is more harsh than many people dare imagine.
- Vortac
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Sorry, my run-on-sentence didn’t get the proper finish. I meant to say that men being forced to join in military is not seen as inequal (because ‘women give birth’ – I know, it doesn’t make any sense, but that’s what you encounter here if you try to question it), while women not being able to join was seen as inequal.
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Yes they always name Sweden and other Scandinavian countries as an example for a working society because the divide between rich and “poor” isn’t as wide as in other countries. Of course there is no way to get rich and independent with those levels of taxation you still have to rely on the government to fund your retirement…
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“When I visited Finland I found people almost painfully shy. It isn’t just the men, but the women too. It’s amazing to me that people hook up there at all.”
Your observation may have been colored by your own cultural background. I don’t think finnish people are exceptionally shy, but they just do not have a ‘small-talk-culture’, so they don’t know what to say to strangers in a situation where americans would be chatting away with no problem.
Finnish people are more like .. ‘silent’ than ‘shy’. What you perceive as shyness is more like a ‘I don’t have anything to say at the moment, so I am not saying anything’-kind of a thing, possibly.
It has been said that in USA, the longest time that people can bear to be silent when there are other people around is 28 seconds (I might remember the number wrong but it shouldn’t matter). After that, someone just HAS to say something. In Finland, it’s not like that. Finnish people do not have a ‘necessity to talk’, they are comfortable in being silent even if there are other people around. Finnish people could easily go anything from half an hour to hours without speaking to each other.
Small-talk seems pointless and useless and in Finland, people simply do not really do it – they wouldn’t even know how. However, in your next visit, try to find an interesting topic that you know the people will be genuinely interested about – or the individual you are talking to – and you can see that Finnish people can talk a lot when they really get into a topic.
Another problem that might have prevented people from talking with you is the language barrier. Finnish people can generally speak english relatively ok, I suppose (at least compared to countries like Japan) – but they might not be sure if their english skills, and there are lots of people who don’t practically understand much of it. In invididual groups you might encounter a lot of this type of people – who might want to talk, but can’t understand or speak english well enough to understand everything, and to figure out what to say.
People hook up in Finland using the power of alcohol, I reckon’. The alphas and the PUA’s always hook up easily anyway, and the rest just use alcohol and hope they can approach women when drunk enough. Some get some kind of results this way.
I would say that it is a problem for a lot of men in Finland to hook up with women – there’s never good enough excuse to go talk to a stranger-woman, because Finland lacks the superficial smalltalk-culture, and even if someone manages to do it, they don’t know what to say next. So, without alcohol and hormones, I am sure finnish population would greatly diminish quite quickly.
So, culturally, it feels weird to a Finnish individual, if a stranger is talking to him, especially if he’s not seemingly saying anything relevant. It seems like “Why is he talking to me? What is wrong with him? Why isn’t he getting to the point? What does he want from me? Is he trying to scam me? I wonder how I could just get out of this situation”
Of course if the talking happens in a ‘strange’ language, like english, it’s even more suspicious a situation.. but then, maybe Finnish people are shy after all. I just meant to show you some other possible reasons for finnish people seeming shy to you. There are others, like people don’t like prying into other people’s business or asking intimate questions, and they don’t like when it’s done to them, either. That’s why most people just stare outside the window in a bus, silently, even if the bus is full – trying to look like they are braindead zombies without capability of life and facial expressions.
Another point; why would it matter that the women are shy? Women always get hooked up, no matter -what- they are or -how- they act (except maybe more extreme cases). So women have no need or urge to get rid of shyness. But if you try to pick up women in a bar without PUA-knowledge, as a finnish man, you will quickly notice that they are not so much shy as they are hostile and mean. Certainly not shy to say what’s on their mind in such a situation..
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“Yes they always name Sweden and other Scandinavian countries as an example for a working society because the divide between rich and “poor” isn’t as wide as in other countries.”
Are you an architect by any chance?
Anyway, just a small note: Finland is not a Scandinavian country. Finland is in Fennoscandia.
- Vortac
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“IMO, finnish culture is not feminist at all.”
Tell me, how long have you lived in Finland?
- Vortac
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“Male sexuality is extremely vilified.”
This is a big problem – I think someone could write a very interesting piece about this topic. It’s a problem in all west – and I dare say in some or many parts of the east as well. I have seen signs of this vilification in Japanese culture, for example, and it worries me. If they are already getting the east to repeat the feministic method, how long will it be until the whole world is feminazised?
- Vortac
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“For all of the PUAs’ denials, it really does boil down to putting women on a pedestal. ”
This is essentially true. The PUA guides always remind that YOU (the man) are at fault at every situation, always, amen. No exceptions. It’s always the man’s fault.
- Vortac
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Anonymous age 69: “I am somewhat sure that “Anglo” is not a university liberal thing. When I am in the States, I live in southern Texas, and that term Anglo is in common usage. And, actually, they do use it to refer to all whites.”
Agreed. I grew up in South Texas, and was part of the minority Anglo class. There were “Anglos” and “Hispanics,” and we referred to ourselves and each other as such. “Mexicans” were people from Mexico, and “white” simply referred to skin color. Many upper class Mexicans are of purely Spanish or German descent, and are white but not “Anglo”.
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DNA samples estimate that 2/3 of Mexican male ancestry is from the Iberian Peninsula, that is, European. And, 2/3 of female Mexican ancestry is indigenous.
@69 That’s no surprise because the white European Conquistadors and bureaucrats who ran the country had a limited supply of females so they were shagging the native girls. And that statistic you mention is an average because in Mexico there are about 10% people of just European background as there are pure Indians.
The people of European background still run all of these S American countries whether they are a small % of the pop. or are 99% (Argentina) or 88% white (Uraquay) or Ecuador( with only 7%). Chile is basically white too(white and white-Amerindian 95.4%) ,white-Amerindian there just means somene who had an Indian in his family tree sort of like some Americans being 1/8 Cherokee or something. Even in Peru (Amerindian 45%, mestizo (mixed Amerindian and white) 37%, white 15%, black, Japanese, Chinese, and other 3%) most people are white or white-Indian.
The only reason that I’m listing this stuff is because most people in the US don’t realise that most of S America is mostly Caucasian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBTqgeMZ0s
That’s more White than 90% of Europeans, except for perhaps some Icelanders lol
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“Anglo” – Descending, historically, from England. Does not = white people in general.
Go to Ireland and refer to an Irishman as an “Anglo” see where that gets ya.
These distinctions may be forgotten in Texas, but not on this side of the pond.
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Few men in the scandinavian countries realize the extent to which the are being used by the state. Ignorance is bliss.
The fact is that the average danish man pays about 200 thousand dollars more to the state over a lifetime than he gets back. Women on the other hand receive almost 400 thousand dollars (yep – Denmark has a large deficit) more from the state than they give up.
In other words, the state takes from men and gives to women making them “independent”. Of course this destroys family life and complementarity between the sexes and birth rates among original populations are plummeting. Not sustainable.
Scandinavian State Feminism is just as virulent as anglo, but the animosity is less obvious to the casual observer.
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“In other words, the state takes from men and gives to women making them “independent”. Of course this destroys family life and complementarity between the sexes and birth rates among original populations are plummeting. Not sustainable.”
The state gives women money to have babies, so the birth rates in the Nordic countries are higher than in most other European countries. And for some reason women born in Sweden to immigrant parents actually have fewer kids than women born to native Swedish parents, so in the long run immigrants are not outBREEDING native Swedes.
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http://www.scb.se/Pages/PressRelease____294760.aspx
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@Henry Laasanen,
Thank you for your clarification. You certainly are a prolific writer looking at the blogs you listed. I briefly glanced at them and one listed you as “sociologist”
“Taiteilija ja ex-pornotähti Rakel Liekki ja sosiologi Henry Laasanen kyselevät “Paraneeko nainen vanhetessaan?”
You offer interestig insight into Nordic gender issues. The explanation of sex offender registry Finland vs. draconian USA policy also is informative. Please keep posting more.
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@Lavazza
Immigrant women in Europe have fewer children for 1 reason: given a choice between minimal options (patriarchy per country of origin) and excessive options (matriarchy per current country), they’re going to choose the “I can have the world” option (doubly so if their families are especially restrictive.) When I lived in Germany, there were a dozen promiscuous Turkish girls/women for every wife/mother (IOW, the majority of the women were riding the PUA-penned “cock carousel” for as long as possible.) Most of the African born and raised women who I met in Norway, Germany and Sweden had no problem (IME) with using their exoticness to get male attention (then going to the clinic to take care of oops pregnancies). Of course, when the time comes for them to become mothers, their teenaged/youthful mistakes catch up to them quickly. The best example that I could think of at short notice was in Trier: out of 50 African women, 10 married African men, the rest married anything besides their “own”. The women who married Africans produced (no joke) 11 children, the ones who married non-Africans produced 30 children (because, you see, the men who wanted their “exotic” brides weren’t even considering children. The women who married Africans tended to do so after burning thrlsgh their fertility.) As with latina and Asian women, the Africans were colorstruck to the point of obsolescence (as I mentioned above, most of them were either literal whores or flagrant sluts, a situation that made the idea of becoming *mothers* seem ridiculous.) They chased after and monopolised White Europeans, refused to procreate with all but the most “alpha” of the crop, then settled for “beta” at the end of their fertility. Ergo: few to no children produced.
But hey, they got to live out their “pretty blond movie star-type guys” fetishes, so alps well that ends well.
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After socializing with educated Russians, Germans, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, Turks, Georgians/Kavkasians, Arabs and Iranians – I have lost all interest in socializing with so-called Americans (USA) and Canadians, except French-Canadians.
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No I just pretend to be one on the Internet
Thanks for clearing that up. In my defense I didn’t mention Finland, but I’m nevertheless geographically challenged.
Wow that’s insane, almost half a million. I just calculated, if I keep paying taxes at the current rate I’ll have paid 1.4 million EUR in income tax alone when I reach retirement age. And I’m by no stretch of the imagination wealthy. Add to that the 540000 EUR state mandated retirement account, of which I’ll get 300.000 EUR back if I only live to 77.
A men’s right group in Germany also did the Gender Budgeting calculation, they found that men pay 91b EUR in total (social security insurance including health + taxes) more than they receive. That comes down to about 2200 EUR a year per man, assuming he dies at 77 he paid ~170k EUR. For me it’s more like a million Euro. One million given to women to which I am not married.
So while the state is the husband to many women he’s more like the ex wife to most men: Useless and Expensive.
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Somewhat on topic, a thoughtful Euro perspective on the sinister alliance that is mentioned here frequently,
“Lubricious puritanism: The alliance of US feminists and the religious Right in the DSK affair.” – By Pascal Bruckner
http://www.signandsight.com/features/2161.html
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I think some of this is exaggerated on average, there are extreme cases of course. However around here there are plenty of deadbeat dads that don’t pay child support and aren’t thrown in prison. To escape the law all they have to do is move out of the state.
The law is on the woman’s side, and in domestic disputes they will take the male away with no evidence whatsoever just based on her statements. Had this happen to a guy I knew. The woman was hitting him and he called the police, but she told them he hit her and they took him away, terrible. Innocent until proven guilty my ass.
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Canada is worse than any of the Scandanavian countries when it comes to father’s rights. Heck, I have an opposite problem – I can’t get anyone to legally recognise me as my daughter’s father. There’s no state coming after me, no agency seizing my pay – nothing. It’s like I don’t exist at all.
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Conversely, I was talking to a divorced man with two boys over 20, who still pays alimony – $4000.00 a month!! Thank God I never married, I’d be screwed!
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Anglo-American liberalism is heavily influenced by a narrative of evil, and revolution against that evil, which is derived from the American revolution itself.
Scandinavian-style liberalism came later, and is more bureaucratic and administrative in nature.
Both are miserable in that while a man may have more rights in Sweden, he is still deprived of the ability to have a sane relationship with a woman in order to raise a family.
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Because, Anglo men do nothing effective to accomplish its defeat.
Posting online
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Ah, yes – troll mimics using lowercase tricks. And sloppy spelling. And, shitty grammar.
Good Job.
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Because they are either suffering from Pre-menstrual Syndrome or perhaps Post-menopausal Syndrome- or whatever other Syndrome that may have been labeled as such.
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Because, the dumbed-down males of the generation taught in feminist education systems thus believe in fantasy of the coxer/oddsod variety of “IF only government was goooood and treated men fairly and gave them nipple-rubs and kept women down and lowered taxes blah bla”
Instant solutions for
instant morons
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