There’s an uproar in Pima County Arizona over the SWAT killing of a USMC vet who may or may not have been involved in marijuana dealing. Jose Guereno Ortiz, a copper miner who served a couple tours in Iraq, was riddled with 22 bullets (out of 71 fired) seconds after SWAT officers battered down his door. According to the police, he confronted officers with a gun after the heavily armed SWAT team broke into his house.
An ordinary morning was unfolding in the middle-class Tucson neighborhood – until an armored vehicle pulled into the family’s driveway and men wearing heavy body armor and helmets climbed out, weapons ready.
They were a sheriff’s department SWAT team who had come to execute a search warrant. But Vanessa Guerena insisted she had no idea, when she heard a “boom” and saw a dark-suited man pass by a window, that it was police outside her home. She shook her husband awake and told him someone was firing a gun outside.
A U.S. Marine veteran of the Iraq war, he was only trying to defend his family, she said, when he grabbed his own gun – an AR-15 assault rifle.
What happened next was captured on video after a member of the SWAT team activated a helmet-mounted camera.
The officers – four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 – moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting “Police!” in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.
And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20-feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet…
SWAT tactics have become increasingly common since the 1980s, when they were used in minority “ghettoes” to deal with populations that were resistant to ordinary policing. They were a feature of the “War on Drugs,” and accompanied the rise of the American police state that saw extremely high rates of incarceration and heavy handed tactics become a feature of American law enforcement.
By the 1990s, SWAT tactics began to be used in the context of domestic disputes, and then in school incidents. Some of the enthusiasm for SWAT operations has been scaled back in cities, but SWAT teams continue to be a common feature of policing.
In another era, such routine state incursions into citizens’ homes would have been unthinkable, but something has changed a great deal in the American character. Years of vilification of the American male, ideologically-driven campaigns to equalize people, and the idea that family business is also state business have opened the door to the strongarm tactics that resulted in Jose Ortiz being shot to death in front of his four-year-old child.
Whether Ortiz was a marijuana dealer or not is not really the point here. Even if he were, why couldn’t the police have arrested him at work and simultaneously served a search warrant on his house? That may have been difficult for his wife and child, too, but it wouldn’t have involved traumatizing the boy for life. Serving a warrant with a battering ram and heavily armed SWAT team shows the judicial process to be a farce, and a very dangerous one at that.
We ought to ask those who support unlimited state intrusion into people’s private lives whether they think these kinds of incidents are acceptable “collateral damage.” Do feminists, for example, believe that police should be allowed to invade Americans’ private homes as though they were raiding insurgents in Afghanistan to investigate a domestic disturbance? Do anti-drug crusaders think suspicion of marijuana smuggling justifies it? What is worth suspending our constitutional rights to security in our persons and property?
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That’s just murder. They created a situation that looked just like a home invasion, and when he reacted they killed him.
It should be no defense that it was in the course of their duties. The marijuana charge, if it’s true, doesn’t justify it.
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Woman, by nature, is basically anti-social ergo she does not have an understanding of what is law. To her (and most people today) “law” has become synonymous with “order” and “power.”
Ask the average man today “what is law” and he will answer “prohibition.” Perhaps he may have a sense that it also entails something with the rights of the governed and obligations of the government. But to the average woman anyone with the most force will be the “law.”
Hence why most people can’t understand that we in fact live under a state of lawlessness (i.e. anarchy) when no rules apply except the rule of individuals. Feminists do not care because the woman is ruled by the tyranny of her own being (emotions, self-interest) and cannot comprehend causality outside of the basic ’cause-and-effect’ continuum. For example, note how liberals for decades now have been unable to comprehend the ‘slippery slope.’
Whether this ignorance is willful or deliberate depends on who you ask. But look at the understanding of law and society, when both were more patriarchal: good authors to read are; Plato, Cato, and Cicero who explored the causes of justice and the purpose of law.
“Multi committunt eadem diverso crimina fato: ille crucem sceleris pretium tulit, hic diadem.”
“Many commit the same crime and face a different fate: that man gets the cross this one the crown.”
-Juvenal, Satire, XIII (he is most noted for Satire VI, On Women.)
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I’ve said it in other places, and will repeat here. The correct nomenclature for a unit such as this is ‘state run extrajudicial death squad’, or ‘death squad’ for short. I find it odd that media organisations do not use the correct adjective in such a situations, and would suggest that their failing not be repeated here, where objective truth is held in somewhat higher regard.
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Chances are they made a mistake and they will lie to the grave. They will also if the wife keeps up with being upset about her husbands killing they will say she is involved and threaten to take her kids.
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What has changed is that America has become a matriarchy, where jutice is swift and approximate. Often unwritten.
Under matriarchy, justice means repression and forced obedience.
The cops worked under orders: no punishment in sight for them because they are obedient servants of the matriarchy.
The man signed his death warrant when he grabbed his gun.
Is this a frame-up? Probably.
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…..And how many men who read about stuff like this will forget about it entirely as soon as the next “superbowl” or “worldseries” comes around…..
……….DISGUSTING
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The cops are as guilty as John Demjanjuk, the Nazi death camp guard.
When you bring a SWAT team you intend to use a SWAT team.
They could have done some police work, but killing fathers makes us all stay in line.
I hope young men are reading what your country thinks of your service to it.
It is never OK to carry out an unethical order and don’t tell me these cops were afraid of anything more than a letter in their file.
I’ve seen these mangina cops, these are militia death squads just like in the middle east and south America.
How long until a woman just has to point a finger?
Ans: We’re already there.
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Ours is a violent society. What goes around, comes around.
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@Turbo the Drycleaner :
Yours is a valid point of view… to a point.
They dug a hundred bullet holes into this man. Was it necessary to transform him into hamburger meat?
Were the cops so terrified of this man that they had to cover him with grape shot?
And why not shoot him with missiles?
Anybody with an ICBM to help the cops cope?
This was an overkill (sorry, no puns intended this time)
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The article doesn’t give all the details. His wife called 911 and the paramedics arrived a couple of minutes later but were held back by police for 1 hour and 14 minutes.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/87937.html
In any event, Jose’s story raises a good number of points:
1. Men are expendable. Do you think this would still be in the news if he didn’t have a widow?
2. Why do men volunteer to “serve” the empire that thinks this much of them when their service is completed?
3. The first result of giving women the vote was Prohibition. The war on drugs is another example of mangina and white knight politicians pandering for the female vote.
4. The war on drugs locks up yet more men who haven’t harmed anyone except, or maybe not even, themselves. But that doesn’t matter because of #1 above.
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@Mr. J
…..And how many men who read about stuff like this will forget about it entirely as soon as the next “superbowl” or “worldseries” comes around…..
No doubt immediately after watching the latest episode of “Cops”, “Extreme Chases” or some other reality cop show while rooting for the cops.
And regarding those shows – if someone ends up innocent, those shows don’t run a follow-up.
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And what other ways do our little delicate petals kill?
How about consuming a man to death?
This guy got between a bunch of hungry ameriskank consumers and their discounted garbage and got stomped to death for it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/27/black-friday-target_n_1115372.html?ref=mostpopular
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This is horrible. Fuck this. I’ll be under my bed browsing Orbitz.
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It won’t be enemy nations or terrorists that destroy this country. It will be the “war on drugs.”
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Carnivore: “2. Why do men volunteer to “serve” the empire that thinks this much of them when their service is completed?”
For many macho bravado for many more though, desperation to escape poverty. There’s a reason the military machine does most of the recruiting for its cannon fodder in low income neighborhoods.
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There’s zero reason for these no-knock warrants. If he’s a drug dealer, turn off the water to the house and knock on the door like a normal policeman. He won’t be able to destroy a large amount of illegal substances in a few minutes. Breaking into someone’s house in the middle of the night is forcing a confrontation.
I’ve always worried about these kinds of situations. I own firearms that I keep within reach of my bed. If I’m roused by loud noises but don’t hear any police identification, I can see being shot by trigger-happy cops.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tfMY–ztuG8
This woman gets awards for the 400 DUI she gave in one year! Over 170 more than the next cop..in the nation. Now she is getting caught out of control…
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@Welmer
While this is a notable story and one worth consideration, it is pretty old news to those of us who have been active in the 2nd Amendment rights community. If I recall correctly, the story is over a year old.
For a few of us, and it is a strange mix no doubt, the discussion of SWAT tactics in the ‘War on Some Drugs’ (you’re almost getting the libertarian perspective Welmer) would eventually encroach in the firearms ownership area as well – and it has. It was a minority opinion, but one that has borne out over time. It is through progressivist thinking that it will eventually come to dominate the gov’t approach to us mundanes in all ways, slowly through incrementalism.
Like yourself (though not quite to that extreme) I’ve experienced the ‘official response’ to a whiny woman screeching about a man with a CWP and my own small collection. Fortunately, ‘officer friendly’ saw right through her bullsh@t straight away.
Your question is not quite correct though: ‘We ought to ask those who support unlimited state intrusion into people’s private lives whether they think these kinds of incidents are acceptable “collateral damage.”’
What we need to do is define the boundaries that are acceptable and and beyond which the gov’t MAY NOT exceed. The original mission of SWAT teams, life in imminent jeopardy, is appropriate but it isn’t sufficient for every po-dunk PD to maintain one and get the fed dollar$ that come with it. As such, mission creep is inevitable. The only solution is to strictly define the parameters when it acceptable – and protection of gov’t costumed isn’t a priority.
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@3D,
This was some months ago, but certainly not a year..
But from this story, can there be any doubt whatsoever that there is a virtual WAR being waged against MEN, right under our noses ???
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@ Joey Z
This is about teaching men about what is happening to them. They don’t know, they live their lives thinking the laws are fair and on divorce they realize that 10 years before they’d been voted out of the family by Pelosi.
This is rabble rousing we are not going to solve all the problems but we can at least identifiy and speak about the ones that affect us.
It seems to be working, the MRM is now taken for granted, we are now here to stay.
Now we need some leverage to negotiate.
But the police state is an abomination and should be dismantled immediatly.
We simply can’t afford a SWAT team for every pissed off wife who isn’t happy with her castle and prince.
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Do the chinese send in paramiltary militia’s to gun down families in the middle of the night?
Well this article says China will surpass the US and Europe economically very soon but we won’t like their culture.
I think alot of MRA like prefer the culture that matters, family to the US.
“Families, unprotected by rule of law, fend for themselves at the expense of individuals outside the clan. ”
What a truley horrible sentiment….families are evil because they don’t allow enough government control……this is from the Fluffington Pissed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-doctoroff/a-chinese-century-not-qui_b_1117446.html
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Well said, Seamus.
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@Survivorman
There is definitely a war against men going on – men are just the latest subset of the population who can be popularly demonized (WoSD – Ronnie Raygun, Gun owners – the Clintoons, WMD – shrub; it’s SOP).
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some people here raise a good point about the Big Daddy state serving its female client base, and I think that’s part of it for sure.
I live in a small Canadian city, and every day when I’m driving to work or getting groceries, I see at a minimum 4-5 police cruisers a day. This is in a small town with practically no violent crime. So what’s the reason?
I think part of it is the aging of the population. The baby boomer generation has gone from damning the man to damanding the man. They feel weak and afraid and they need the psychological security that comes with an overpaid knight class patrolling the streets. The fact that more women than men survive into old age doesn’t help matters either.
The War on Drugs fits into the narrative as well. Women very well know that most men would rather live minimalist lives, play video games, and smoke some nice green rather than help support a society that doesn’t have their interests at heart. The aging population also looks at the young men with alarm and sees a lack of willingness to support them in old age. Hence the heavy-handed drug laws and enforcement – I think the idea is to violently force men to be productive serfs toiling against their interests. Of course, this won’t work – you either turn men into corpses or lifelong inmates at state expense. But it makes people feel better, and that’s all that matters.
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For a more extensive discussion of this incident see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting
@ Rocco – Agreed, men are getting terrible deal these days in America. The laws are not fair to men, no question. And the tactics used by the domestic police are looking more and more like the tactics used by the Army. The pepper spray incident at UC Davis is a good example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4
This case appears to be a civil rights issue (search and seizure, probable cause & search warrants), independent of gender. Laws and regulations about illegal immigration, drug dealing, and terrorism may also be a part of this story. But I’m missing the gender angle on this. Yes, men are the more aggressive gender, and therefore are more likely to be both the aggressors and aggressed upon. But how is this case revealing a gender issue any more than the pepper spraying of the UC Davis students? If it were a woman defending the house with a rifle, wouldn’t the SWAT team still shoot her in self defense? And breaking down the door with such a brief period of warning, that isn’t really a gender issue. Returning fire when the police thought they were being shot at, that’s not a gender issue either.
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blame the policy makers. blame the people who decided SWAT tactics were appropriate, blame the people who make this situation happen all across america, but dont blame the policemen.
Sure, they were only following orders
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I’ve always worried about these kinds of situations. I own firearms that I keep within reach of my bed. If I’m roused by loud noises but don’t hear any police identification
Erm, what’s police identification? You mean like you wake up after hearing something and yell “who’s there” and the burglar replies Oh it’s just me the policeman? lol
Cops should not even be permitted to enter a house even if they have a warrant without first knocking on the door and having their ID out for inspection and also the search warrant.
And seach warrants should only be issued by judges in rare cases such as cases where someone has bought a ton of fertilizer and there is Credible evidence that he’s planning to destroy the neighbourhood.
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@ Joey Z
So when they come in my house. And they’ve been in my house 4 times in the last 5 years…..I was a single father.
So when they come, I go with the kids to the closet and Svetlana has to defend us from crazed home invaders with shots being heard and, because I happen to read about it at the time, it was a bad neighborhood.
Well, Joe. Their not sending too many swat’s when Cindy has a breakdown and threatns suicide with a gun.
But an adult male with possible marijana possesion gets swat…..it’s wrong and smells like a stereotype.
This same thing happened in Kalifonia. This nice old man was a sleep and SWAT broke down the door and rushed in. There was no proof of a gun, he just stood up.
He was 78 and they shot him dead.
So when the cops come I’ll be sure to obey them, any disrespect seems to be dealt with harshly if your a man.
I don’t want to die because I pointed the remote at a nervous cop.
We have to end this police state.
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It is not just SWAT that is a problem, the police now have a so called ‘shock and aw’ policy. If you give the police any lip or resist arrest in any way they will body slam you, smash your car and drag you out, bust your door down screaming there lungs out. All part of the confuse and intimidate the enemy tactic.
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The Making of a Prison Society
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w237.html
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The police have to become much more aggressive. Look at the changes in the racial composition of this country. They have to control a population of mexicans and blacks, while many whites become more passive.
Alot of people are stuck comparing today to the police tactics of an all white America of 1950. Other countries are struggling with this too, like Norway, Great Britain, Sweden and Germany. You cannot police a multicultural nation that same way that a monoculture would be.
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Yesterday I spoke to a 90 year old lady and grandmother.
She had recently spent a day in court trying to get access to her grandkids.
She was one of 5 siblings who fought for “this country” in WW2.
She said “All I could see was lawyers trying to make sure they earned the maximum amount of money possible, a judge who was clearly in love with the sound of her own voice, and a mother, enabling all of the above, in what should have been a serious and profound environment, giggling at the back of the court with her family lawyer.”
She also said, “most of the people involved were female, and none of them apparently owned a comb”
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And regarding those shows – if someone ends up innocent, those shows don’t run a follow-up
Actually they don’t even show the shows where this happens so we don’t know what % the cops are fucking up. Even that to “Catch a Predator” with the creepy Chris Hanson only shows the ones where the cops catch someone and even here the charges are reduced to something minor most of the time.
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I was recently at a family gathering in the UK. I tried to gently introduce the topic of the war on men. The general response was that I am some kind of nutjob loser. My brother responded with blue pill and white knighting, my female cousin with a wholesale regurgitation of The Narrative.
The only person who got it, immediately, was my mid-80s aunt, who has been told by her ex daughter-in-law she will never see her cute blonde granddaughters again. This is cruelty beyond reason.
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@ Charles
I recently told my 80 year old mother, who threatens and sometimes does hang up on me when I tell her what’s what, I told her that only women, women like her could solve this problem.
She knows what happened my mother is brilliant……and very guilty.
But how could she know.
What I blame her for is failing to acknolwledge the truth like your aunt did. When mature women start to acknowledge the truth feminism will begin to crumble……the herd follows the leaders.
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The women or OWS are funded….by their daddys and mangina’s so continue fighting.
Now Wall streat itself is economic abuse against women who even they now admit spend the 70%, so you know it must be 90%, of the money that goes to Wall Street.
“Wall Street is violence against women. Corporations get nearly 70% of their profit from women workers who earn $2 a day. In the U.S., women make as low as $0.52 for every dollar a man makes. Women of color are 70% of the global poor. More than 15 million of our children live in poverty in the U.S., the richest nation in the world.…We are not cheap labor, sexual objects or people to be disregarded!”
http://www.af3irm.org/2011/11/wall-street-violence-against-women-dismantle-it
Men must stop funding women.
MRM to feminism: GET A JOB
The only economic abuse is that men are kept like indentured servants to a class that has cut off their access to biological funtions.
What if some illegal society decided to stop collecting the trash, now long could a city hold out before capitulating to demands……
……ask the Mafia.
Well our Pink Mafia has a stanglehold on sexual relations by making prostitution illegal and unsafe.
It’s time to stand up to these criminals…..first they took our piece of mind we said nothing…..then our money…….now our children.
Next they want our sons imprisoned. Better that than marriage to an Ameriskank…..and I mean it.
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@Carnivore
The Eighteenth Amendment (Amendment XVIII) of the United States Constitution established Prohibition-ratification was certified on January 16, 1919.
The Nineteenth Amendment (Amendment XIX) to the United States Constitution prohibits any United States citizen to be denied the right to vote based on sex. It was ratified on August 18, 1920.
Yes, it was the women’s suffrage movement that pushed prohibition, but it was before they got the vote. The fact they pushed it through without voting shows that they didn’t need the vote to push their agenda.
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As sad as it is to see what apparently was a solid brother getting murdered, in the big picture this is the story of a nation which is dying.
America was always a fountain of evil. Feminism started there and was exported everywhere else. Conspicuous consumption and imperialist wars and entitled, fat single moms dragging around their thugspawn: these are the memes by which we know America.
It might last as a police/prison state for another decade, but it’s collapsing as we speak, and will soon be gone. So, America is dying. Let’s have a party. It won’t be missed.
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@Wulf
True, but don’t forget both issues (women’s suffrage and prohibition) were not just these one-time events. That settled it on a national level, but there was much local build-up before then.
As you note, the women’s suffrage movement was heavily involved with prohibition, but many women were able to vote before the amendments were ratified. For example, women in Illinois were able to vote for presidential electors already in 1913. No doubt, many male politicians started to consider the future female voter in current policies so as not to cut themselves short when women finally did get the vote.
What I find interesting as well, is that there were actually two issues involved: allowing women to vote and allowing women to run for office. Of the latter, it was trumpeted that women should be allowed to hold political office and enter government in order to “purify” it. That is, men are evil brutes while women are pure angels. Self-pedestalization to a t.
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@ Joe Zamboni:
“But I’m missing the gender angle on this. Yes, men are the more aggressive gender, and therefore are more likely to be both the aggressors and aggressed upon. But how is this case revealing a gender issue any more than the pepper spraying of the UC Davis students? If it were a woman defending the house with a rifle, wouldn’t the SWAT team still shoot her in self defense?”
The reason there is a gender issue is that the scenario you offer (woman defending home/family) never happens. The reality is, when things go bump-in-the-night, the wife wakes her husband up to go deal with it. That’s why this ends up being a man’s problem (like everything else.) That’s where the “gender angle” comes from.
GS Jockey
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@ Joe Zamboni:
“But I’m missing the gender angle on this. Yes, men are the more aggressive gender, and therefore are more likely to be both the aggressors and aggressed upon. But how is this case revealing a gender issue any more than the pepper spraying of the UC Davis students? If it were a woman defending the house with a rifle, wouldn’t the SWAT team still shoot her in self defense?”
The reason there is a gender angle is because the scenario you offer (a woman defending home/family) never happens.
In reality, when something goes bump-in-the-night, the wife wakes up her husband to go deal with it–and in this case go get shot. That’s where the gender angle comes from–things like this don’t happen to women. When was the last time you saw or read about a woman putting her life on the line to defend her husband? (You don’t read about men doing it that much either, to be frank, because after all, that kind of behavior is merely “expected” from men anyway. Man up! and all that shit.)
GS Jockey
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Sorry about the double post! (I wondered where the first one went to…)
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If there was no previous history of violence from the guy, why would you simply not send two uniformed officers to the door during daylight hours? Knock on the door, show the warrent. If there is any resistance, then SWAT could be called. Seems odd to go with maximum force before trying anything else.
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Excellent post WF Price.
We white men are greatly negatively impacted, at least potentially, by having a so almost universally left wing press. Even much vilified by the MSM Fox news isn’t very rightist on gender or racial issues at all, only MSM approved two party political ones.
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Rocco November
The cops are as guilty as John Demjanjuk, the Nazi death camp guard.
No, unlike Demjanjuk they are actually guilty of something.
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Ryu
The police have to become much more aggressive. Look at the changes in the racial composition of this country. They have to control a population of mexicans and blacks, while many whites become more passive.
Alot of people are stuck comparing today to the police tactics of an all white America of 1950. Other countries are struggling with this too, like Norway, Great Britain, Sweden and Germany. You cannot police a multicultural nation that same way that a monoculture would be.
Sigh. Didn’t take long for a WN to blame on on non- whites…And your wrong the police state was always part of the NWO agenda. A WN should know that.
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Joe Zamboni
This may be an abuse of state power, or perhaps not — we don’t know. He could legitimately be a terrorist (although I doubt it). There are certainly too many unknown and unrevealed factors to pass judgement at this point in time.
That is one of the problems with this discussion format. Only brief situations can be described, and then quite a few readers have some serious emotional reactions based on incomplete information. Some of those get posted. These unjustified and posted emotional reactions, then trigger more emotional reactions. When such scant information is available, the format of The-Spearhead doesn’t appear to be a constructive or useful way to go about having a grounded discussion. Perhaps it is a good way to measure mob consciousness, revealing what people respond to most at this point in time, and the ways that people can get whipped up into an illogical emotional frenzy…
Thanks for that wisdom, but they are operating on the information we currently have. Or perhaps you think they should until the MSM gives them more?
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SWAT team invades mothers home because she didn’t feed her child psychoactive pharma pills
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377178/SWAT-teams-10-hour-siege-mother-Maryanne-Godboldo-Detroit.html
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I have no issue with them shooting him 22 times. It’s what you do when you have to defend yourself. Just like the marine should have but multiple holes in whoever invaded his home. 22 hits out of 71 shots fired is pretty decent numbers, around 30% which is better than average for cops.
Those cops should face charges. Not just the ones who pulled the trigger but the whole department. I cannot begin to tell you how many times I’ve not pulled the trigger at work. And my rules of engagement are ( or where) looser then LEO’s. From what I can tell, they killed a man because their intel was wrong, their policy on handling things like warrants suck and their judgment flawed. Justice will be served. In this life or the next. Most likely the next.
race and crime statics back Ryu. SWAT teams, gang task forces and the like didn’t get formed to deal with the White crime problems. But it’s easier to” shout him down” than deal with the hard truth.
For me, volunteering to serve the “empire” was about me and what it says about me and the things I honor, living a life of adventure etc and not a positive statement on the govt . Men join for a variety of reasons and combinations of reasons
and I’m pretty damn sure feminism started in eurpoe. that’s the way things seem to go. leftist ideals gain ground over there and then get planted over here.
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“In reality, when something goes bump-in-the-night, the wife wakes up her husband to go deal with it–and in this case go get shot. ”
That’s because you guys insist in being gentleman despite there are no ladies anymore.
My wife once woke me up at midnight as somebody was tinkering at the door (it was her mother coming late lol) but I said “wait a minute” and went on sleeping. She tried to wake me up again but was useless, I just was asleep for good. So she had to go and check herself.
I am all for equality!!
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These things do happen to women. This year, there was a mother in Detroit who had her daughter taken away from her by a SWAT team because she was reluctant to give the girl psychiatric medications. A couple years ago an elderly woman in Atlanta had her house broken into by police in a drug raid. She was shot to death. If I look, I could almost certainly find more examples.
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Sorry – now that I’ve read the entire thread I see that my post was redundant.
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Anna, I’ve left a link to the Detroit woman’s tragic case above. She won in court but they STILL kidnapped her daughter and are keeping her. WTF? How is it that the government can kidnap people’s children from their own homes? And that too because they don’t want to give them questionable medicines that make their children sick? How did we get to this point?
I’d appreciate a link to the case of the old woman who got killed by SWAT. What is her name? Where did it happen?
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I looked it up, and her name was Kathryn Johnson.
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Thanks, comrade.
Nothing like a foreigner giving his little opinion about America.
gee! A foreigner hating on America! How novel.
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They had the warrant. How would you suggest they serve the warrant to someone who has an AR-15? Should they send two plain clothes officers to knock on the front door without backup and if they were burying two officers today and he was on the run, what then? Here’s a thought. Look outside. If there are bunches of people in police uniforms coming out of police cars, they might ne police. When someone shouts police and waits several seconds after kicking down the door, you might not want to have an AR-15 in your hand. That could be a bad thing. My martial arts instructor taught me to mark my target, which meant know who and what your striking. I would hope for the sake of our soldiers that the Iraq veteran was taught the same. Here is a thought, maybe he was and knew exactly who he intended to shoot at.
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Because SWAT teams look as fierce and fight the enemy like soldiers in Irag and Afghanistan, they deserve generous pension istead of unemployment line like former soldiers.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-co-drop-payouts-20111201,0,6965211.story
Some Baltimore County police retire with $500000 payouts …
http://www.google.com/search?q=swat+team&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=frreTtOIIcL10gG8w_2bBw&sqi=2&ved=0CE4QsAQ&biw=800&bih=419
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Because SWAT teams look as fierce and fight the enemy like soldiers in Irag and Afghanistan, they deserve generous pension istead of unemployment line like former soldiers.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-co-drop-payouts-20111201,0,6965211.story
Some Baltimore County police retire with $500000 payouts …
http://www.google.com/search?q=swat+team&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=frreTtOIIcL10gG8w_2bBw&sqi=2&ved=0CE4QsAQ&biw=800&bih=419
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i have been smoking marijuana for 10 years.
i feel the facts show it is better then alchohal in several ways
obviously you take them for different reasons, of course. they have different effects.
my point is. i could die if i drink to much alcohal…. i wont from marijuana…. at least not any time soon.
i feel marijuanan should be legilized in a country like america.
if alcohal is legel. marijuana should be legel.
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