Now that boys have fallen well behind girls in college admissions and completion, you’d think they’d give the assault on them a rest, but efforts to shove them out are still going strong. In the 1980s, standardized testing came under attack for favoring boys, because they generally do better on the SAT than girls, especially on the math section. Girls, who are more obedient and detail-oriented, tend to get better grades, but boys still test a little better. The first measure taken to eliminate the male advantage in college admissions was to make grades more important for admission and lower the importance assigned to test scores. Later, the SAT itself was changed, with an essay added and a “renorming” of scores designed to take away boys’ advantage.
The results were predictable. Girls began to be favored in college admissions, and overtook boys by the 1990s. The reasons for this are not at all mysterious; there was a concerted effort to give girls an advantage, and it worked. The hand-wringing over “problems” with boys is disingenuous — there was a deliberate policy to handicap them. There really isn’t a problem with boys, rather, institutions created problems for them. This is precisely why females dominate today’s college campuses.
Now, a new book – SAT Wars – has come out suggesting that the anti-male policy hasn’t gone far enough. The author, Joseph Soares, declares “the SAT and ACT are fundamentally discriminatory.” The reason? They favor white males (actually, they favor Asians more). Although parts of the book deal with racial disparities, much of the research focuses on male testing advantages. Soares argues that the math in SAT tests is fundamentally sexist:
In another chapter of “SAT Wars,” Jay Rosner, executive director of The Princeton Review Foundation, addresses the gender gap on the SAT. Mr. Rosner asserts that the math portion of the test is “male-leaning,” citing data from 1998 and 2000 which found that men performed better than women on 97 percent of math test questions whereas women performed better than men on only .8 percent of them.
Mr. Rosner suggested that the composition of questions is unfair, and that the percentage of questions skewed toward men versus those skewed toward women is unnatural.
Is it really “unnatural,” or is it simply nature that has made boys better at math in general than girls? Of course, in today’s academic environment to suggest the latter is career suicide (ask Larry Summers), so perhaps the question is rhetorical.
But how about another question: If girls make up nearly 60% of college grads, why are we fussing over a test that gives boys an advantage, however slight it may be? The only answer can be that it is tolerated – even encouraged – to discriminate unfairly against boys.
Let’s be clear about the “problem with boys” — it is a purely manufactured issue, and one for which certain bureaucrats and ideologues are personally responsible. People don’t tend to take feminists all that seriously, but they’ve certainly done a lot of damage over the years, and they still do.
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The author feels (note use of that verb) that men and women are pretty much identical from the neck up.
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Not so. Male and female brains are wired differently, giving different abilities to each. This has been reported for many years, yet from your comment one can see that it hasn’t percolated through the consciousness of the masses.
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It’s just another turn of the never-ending wheel of ridiculous.
Honestly, it makes more sense for a kid to join a gang nowadays than it does the workforce.
Study hard, go to school? Why, for constant hardship, an education that does nothing to educate but only to indoctrinate, and a degree that isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on?
No seriously, gang members are a whole lot smarter than a dude taking a degree in English in today’s world.
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With any luck they will continue to make most college education functionally redundant, in the main. With males either going into STEM or avoiding college entirely by going into vocational areas with sound employment opportunities and with marketable value. Wiyh males effectively segretating themselves into places of learning that are useful with long term relevance. The colleges can simply become glorified finishing schools for da fems. It would be interesting to see what they would say if and when less than 25% of college grads are male (with 95% of them being STEM).
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PeterTheGreat – I think The Private Mind is commenting on the author of the book, not stating his personal view.
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Mr. Rosner suggested that the composition of questions is unfair, and that the percentage of questions skewed toward men versus those skewed toward women is unnatural.
How can a mathematics question be “skewed”?
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It can’t. but you already knew that.
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Notice how boys beat girls 97 to 1 in math on the SAT, this is a cold hard fact that can’t be disputed. Now on the other hand girls tend to better in English class, a very subjective field. In English you must write so it appeals to the grader. 85% of teachers are women and I would venture to say that the way girls write probably appeals more to the female teachers who are the ones grading papers. So boys win where the rules can’t be tampered with and girls win when they have a huge advantage. Sounds fair to me.
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I remember grammar school being hell for me. The girls could do no wrong and the teachers had very little patience for the boys. Even as a 12 year old, I could see something was wrong.
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This doesn’t trouble me as much as judicial misandry.
Mainly because colleges, in betting their whole existence on misandry and general leftism, are quickly digging their own grave.
The higher education bubble is for real, and colleges are in trouble. If colleges make themselves unattractive to men, colleges will deservedly die.
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Asians also have higher IQ on average (behind ashkenaze jews)
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I used to regard much I read as conspiracy theory bullshit. But having reviewed this “boy problem” stuff and the history of how education has changed in America, I now firmly believe that there is a cabal of feminists in both academia and the gov’t that literally wants the male population to collapse.
We won’t collapse, bitch. But we will turn into something horrific. I am totally convinced that this country is on the cusp of something that can lead to nothing other than civil war. What is transpiring, as this author notes, is beneath contempt in the mind of any decent, justice-serving human being.
The academic failure of men and boys is absolutely intentional and pre-planned. This could not possibly have occurred by accident.
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TFH writes:
“The higher education bubble is for real, and colleges are in trouble. If colleges make themselves unattractive to men, colleges will deservedly die.”
Definitely, but, fortunately for us, higher education only knows it’s in trouble, not that it will take male students to make higher education mean something. Note the recent Obama announcement to reduce interest rates/combine loans/perhaps forgive some loans, etc. College admin knows their gravy train is in trouble. This is ideal. Obama should take an additional step and say everyone deserves to go to college and the government will pay with grants, not loans; then make the admissions even more biased against males and, while we’re at it, address the “discrimination” in STEM classes and programs. The nation’s existing STEM capabilities will tank even more resulting in even less tax revenue and more women with useless degrees graduating to be hired by the government. Let’s put even a larger strain on the system so it comes crashing down even sooner.
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Zorro-
You need make no apologies about conspiracies. There is nothing unbelievable about ultra-rich and ultra-powerful individuals and groups manipulating things behind the scenes. Everyone tries to get things to go his way. If you put wealth and power behind it, one is more likely to succeed. Take that and add a dose of psychopath plus ego minus any morals, and you will arrive at our current situation. Make no mistake – it goes beyond just feminism.
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Interesting article, and right on.
The odd thing is, when you get into academia, many of the female students don’t like the bias either. I suspect that it’s because female students go to school to find a willing male sucker, er, chump, er, prospective husband, yeah, that’s it. Many of the female students show up at university to get a degree in art history or some similar nonsense, thinking that it’ll be chock full of good looking men from the upper echelons of American social order. Which it is, but women prefer a much better ratio than 1:1 (and many schools are less than this).
Of course I have my own bias, and I’m sure a few women might have principles or lofty ideals about equality, but I’d bet the vast majority of them swing toward wanting to get their bills paid and not finding a suitable pack mule waiting for them on campus.
Regards, Boxer
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Dear Jim November 9, 2011 at 15:23:
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I remember grammar school being hell for me. The girls could do no wrong and the teachers had very little patience for the boys. Even as a 12 year old, I could see something was wrong.
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When I was in Grade 1, it was obvious to me that something was wrong as per the accountability agenda of the school. [However, with a class of 37 students, there were no real discipline problems (100% of the students were legitimate and the mothers stayed at home).]
One boy would talk out of turn, even repeatedly (in the 1960s, “repeatedly” meant anything over once). Whenever HE did (perhaps once a month), the female teacher ordered him to the front where she ceremoniously told him to present her with the palm of his right hand. She struck it about five times with her wooden ruler. He cried and then returned to his desk.
After each monthly or so incident, each of us students just concluded the fact that he deserved what he got. Period.
In contrast, there was a girl who sat right in front of me in the row in which I sat (the offending boy sat right to my left in the next row). WHEN she spoke out of turn, even three times so, SHE NEVER was ordered to the front and given the same treatment. As a six-year-old, that was notable to me.
As students, we never discussed such things, ever, not at school nor at home. We just accepted the verdict of the authority.
I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again, “What we need for girls are programs of ACCOUNTABILITY EQUITY and for boys (although not in this case–the boy did deserve what he got), we need programs of PROTECTION EQUITY.
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Dear Boxer November 9, 2011 at 16:39:
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The odd thing is, when you get into academia, many of the female students don’t like the bias either.
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When I was taking two different courses in Women’s Studies (spelled, “Education”), the SEVERE hate and incompetence of ALL of the women as students and on staff (and the only one nonwoman on staff) was ALWAYS in SEVERE evidence.
I could write a book on it, and, in part as per the, “education” problem, I am.
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Dear gender foreigner:
I could write a book on it, and, in part as per the, “education” problem, I am.
I’ll look forward to reading it.
Regards, Boxer
Hot debate. What do you think?
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It seems like we’re hiring women teachers intent on turning our son’s into a permanent underclass.
They justify it as reparations for their slavery in marriage or as my ex said…after that many bl@w jobs….
It seems appropriate to the vindictive nature of our lillies of the field, the tender rose of American womanhood.
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Being near 11 November, the Women’s Government Schools have been/are big on, “Remembrance.” Here are a few observations.
The teachers have been declaring that the observance is about the many, “WOMEN and men” who died in war. (In Canada, those killed by way of having been in our armed services over the last 120 years have been numbered as: 116,000+ men and boys: fewer than 30 women and no girls.)
The United States, along with the rest of the allies, (but the USA in particular), is condemned for killing all those children in Japan as per Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombs. No mention of Japan’s war crimes is given nor the fact that Japan started the war with the USA (Japan got some of what it deserved).
(Somehwhat off-topic–but only somewhat)
As an update to my submission about a year ago about honor killings of Violence against Men, my reading of the War Crimes Trials as per Japan revealed that whereas (approximately–I have the EXACT figures in my photopies of the evidence) about 3% of prisoners of war in German custody died, in the case of Japan, approximately 37% died. And why, because of the commitment to the fact that, “To die for the Emporor was the greatest honor.”/(to surrender to the Emperor was the greatest Dishonor–hence all that violence against men–government policy to kill surrendered men–there was a trade of women–but they were not surrendering per se, not having been in the FIGHTING forces of their corps, just the UNIFORMED services thereof).
Students are counseled by the pagan women/Feminist women as to why wars were worth fighting. Student responses include:
1. To save MOTHER EARTH,
2. To save the Environment,
3. To make the world safe for ANIMALS,
4. To make the world safe for, “Women and children,”
5. etc.
That’s right. INSENSITIVITY TRAINING as per the subhuman gender, the male is the essence of the whole exercise. God does not existy (HE’s patriarchal after all anyway) as men (and boys, and male babies are, too).
That war continues to be unabated VIOLENCE AGAINST MEN (and BOYS) just doesn’t matter in the Criminal Women’s Government Schools, the Hitler Youth of Women’s Crimes.
Enough said.
On to Berlin.
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“I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again, “What we need for girls are programs of ACCOUNTABILITY EQUITY and for boys (although not in this case–the boy did deserve what he got), we need programs of PROTECTION EQUITY.”
Rather, your story illustrates that small children should be taught by a stay-at-home mom. When boys reach a certain age (8? 9? 10?), they are best served in an all-male student group with a male teacher. “Co-ed”, whether grammar school, high school or college, is an idea which most accept as standard as if it’s been around for centuries. It’s actually a modern concept which has never worked well. With today’s educational climate, it’s a disaster.
Home schooling *may* work, but the father has to be extra attentive with his sons lest they fall too much under the mother’s influence.
Our current school establishment has become a joke and a vast make work camp for women with useless degrees who can do little else.
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Dear Rocco November 9, 2011 at 17:02:
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It seems like we’re hiring women teachers intent on turning our son’s into a permanent underclass.
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We are. No, wait. THEY are, the Seig Heil Feminazi Gender Criminals who need to be_____________________________________.
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Egalitarians will stop at nothing until their struggle for complete gender parity is reached. It matters not to them whether boys need to be neutralized or overall standards lowered, as long as there’s demonstrated equanimity.
They’re astoundingly oblivious to the fact that girls as a group require preferential treatment over boys to do just as well because they do, and not because of some cloaked patriarchal bias. That’s the affect of feminism on our education system and why its failing boys.
What happened to Larry Summers 6 years ago sent a clear and powerful message; don’t even imply girls aren’t as smart as boys or you’ll humiliated and punished. Let the social scientists do their work, even if they have to rig the system to make 2+2=5.
Some how, some way, if they can just manage to slowly tweak a few guidelines here and there without appearing too obvious,
– grrls will rule and boys will drool.
omen who fought for individual rights against government power, and struggles to get special privileges by means of government power. (Ayn Rand, “The Age of Envy,” The New Left . New York: Signet, 1975. p. 173)
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Dear Carnivore November 9, 2011 at 17:05:
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Our current school establishment has become a joke and a vast make work camp for women with useless degrees who can do little else.
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Your understatement is noted. Today, in one of the Women’s Government Schools, I was in Music with about 15 students Grade 1-3 and such required the supervision of three staff members, two women and I was the substitute girl. I could go on. But I won’t for sake of SEVERE brevity.
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Given it’s Remembrance Day, I’ll state a few other comments.
Each year in Commonwealth countries, a, “Silver Star Mother” is selected for ceremonial purposes (A Silver Star Mother is one who lost at least five SONS in armed service).
There is no such thing as a, “Silver Star FATHER.” As per the pain of the Father being remembered or the sons themselves per se, the message each REMEMBRANCE Day is: FORGET it.
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I agree with TFH. The colleges are self-destructing, and it doesn’t bother me one bit. They’ve dug their own graves.
Young men should follow the advice in previous threads and go to a community college, trade school, or union apprenticeship program to learn skills that travel well and that will still be needed after the current system collapses.
Let the girls congratulate themselves for cornering the market for useless liberal arts degrees. Even if they do manage to leverage them into some kind of employment, it will no doubt be the kind of job that is doomed to disappear — because, as per Elmer’s Law, it won’t be the kind of productive work that adds wealth to the economy.
The host is dying and the parasites will starve. It’s just a matter of time.
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One will recall the Canadian Army’s Lieutenant Colonel John McRae, “In Flanders Fields.”
As per the Criminal Women’s Government Schools, we must also remember and response as per 1918 US Professor Moina Michael who published her response to, “In flanders Fields,”: “We Shall Keep the Faith.”
In Teachers’ Fields
by gender foreigner
In Teachers fields, the boys blow
Between the aisles, sitting row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The legislature, parliament, congress and UN still bravely singing, fly
Scare heard are the boys and men amid the curriculum below.
We are the Boys. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we die,
In Teachers fields.
Take up our quarrel witht e foe.
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though girls grow
In Teachers fields.
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Nico @
“Asians also have higher IQ on average (behind ashkenaze jews)”
But Northern Europeans (Nordics) have larger frontal lobes which is where imagination and creativity reside. Hence greater ability to create and advance a civilization.
And remember, IQ tests have been skewed also.
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@keyster: “That’s the affect of feminism on our education system and why its failing boys.”
I think you mean effect.
Sorry…couldn’t resist.
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So the boys do better in the math section of the SAT. How are the scores distributed in the English language portion of the SAT tests?
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Aside from the essay, boys still score better on verbal, but not by much. It’s a much bigger difference in math.
Patriarchy is not what “American Gender-Raunch quackademics” define it as. Patriarchy is order, civilization, education, security, ect, ect.
Matriarchy is not what “American Gender_Raunch quackademics” define is as. Matriarchy is disorder, violence, Broken-divided, ignorance, ect, ect, ect.
But see, As most if not all American Academic Gender-Raunch who now dominant American universities have received an education, and hence come from the true patriarchy…these Quacks and perverts have no problems breaking the patriarchies of the other Americans.
The Gender-Raunch Elite are the patriarchy, (as i defined above; order, education, ect, ect); and its these folks that are the thinks tanks that are manufacturing the matriarchal underclass of violence, poverty, addiction, ect, ect.
There is alot of power in the perversion (or semantics games) of calling the left a right, up is down, and patriarchy the matriarchy.
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Oddly enough, if you take white females out of the equation white and Asian SAT scores are much closer. The gap between white males and white females is substantially larger than that between Asian males and Asian females, whose scores are close to even. Seems there’s more neurological sexual dimorphism in whites than in Asians, but perhaps it’s something else. In any event, white females drag the mean white SAT score down considerably.
Links that could be of interest:
http://www.amazon.com/WAR-AGAINST-BOYS-Misguided-Feminism/dp/0684849577
http://www.pbs.org/opb/raisingcain/
http://www.amazon.com/Raising-Cain-Protecting-Emotional-Life/dp/0345434854
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W.F. Price November 9, 2011 at 18:27
Asians also have higher IQ on average (behind ashkenaze jews)
-Nico
Oddly enough, if you take white females out of the equation white and Asian SAT scores are much closer. The gap between white males and white females is substantially larger than that between Asian males and Asian females, whose scores are close to even. Seems there’s more neurological sexual dimorphism in whites than in Asians, but perhaps it’s something else. In any event, white females drag the mean white SAT score down considerably.
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Patriarchy is associated (“causes”) the highest level of delayed gratification. As such, the more patriarchal a society, the greater a society’s exercised ability to delay gratification.
Couple the above with the Economic facts that the concept of Payback Period (the length of time it takes to recover an intestment—aka, break even–it’s all profit after that) and that of Net Present Value, and one reveals greater connection.
Net Present Value assessment is associated with the Greatest Economic Returns of all means of discernment (NPV simply put is the revenues of an investment over the lifetime of that investment minus its costs = profit). Combine NPV discernment (maximum discenment) with maximum patriarchy and one has the greatest society economically and socially (all other things being equal).
Asian societies are so patriarchal that they trace their patriarchal lines back hundreds and even thousands of years. Such is even characterized by ancestry worship which is particularized (they who their patriarchal-line holders are, fathers, grandfathers, greatgrandfathers, etc.).
On an intellectual basis, the cultural is capable of sticking with problems much longer than other intellectual cultures (it’s no surprise that silvaculture–farming trees–long-term-investment strategy–has taken off in China–Chinese forests have grown about 15% since 1950–a great contrast to the shrinking forests of the matriarchal Amazon).
Studies of mathematical pursuits of Asians show that Asians stick with mathematical problems much longer than others and, as a result, come up with mathematical solutions which the more matriarchal and less patriarcal miss.
Historically, the rice culture is consistent with such as the labor intensity of rice agriculture requires sticking with it en masse as whole ethnic societies.
The NPVization of all things Asian is in evidence. The creativity of the northern Europeans combined with the stickwithitness of the Asians should result in their societies surpassing the Western ones in a generation or so. But, after that, the Feminist problem will halt such advance as those societies sucumb to the same disease of the West in its fullness of time.
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Since the U.S. has fallen, from pretty much #1 across the board in math, hard sciences and reading, what’s changed? Keep in mind the U.S. wasn’t surpassed in all these fields, the grades/innovations actually fell dramatically. The only thing to change has been the style of teaching, the grading method, the courses offered and the actual material included for each subject.
These aren’t, “failed policies.” These policies have succeeded brilliantly. The gang at the top has everything they need. What better way to discourage independent thought is there than rewarding a childs obedience and compliance? Better to fill everyones heads with indoctrinated fluff pieces and conformity. The last thing the folks at the top of the pyramid need/want is a bunch of intelligent, independent thinkers running around.
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Followup to: gender foreigner November 9, 2011 at 17:20:
“Silver Star Mother” should read, “Silver CROSS Mother.”
Sorry for the mis-step.
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So maybe universities, and the ETS offices in Princeton NJ, should have their entry doors painted pink?
That pink warning imagery, i realize, is “radical”; and it means we should be working on reforms to or replacements for the biased “institutions.” Those who commented on the other thread assuming that boys would continue to go to pink doored schools in pink buses, missed my main point: Pink is a warning to men and boys–This ain’t a good place for you to be.
It’s interesting that Glubb, in _The Fate of Empires_ wrote that when societies went decadent, they built _more_ universities (and accepted feminism.) Bigger body count, smaller brain education per body.
When Rome fell, i read somewhere, the monasteries and the estates outside the Metropolis, were where decent subsistence was still almost reliable, and knowledge relatively well preserved and transmitted. Perhaps commenters like Rebel mean something similar when they write about “survivalism”. I call it “self-sufficiency”[autosufficance, mais pas apres S Graham].
I live where land is still affordable, according to what i have heard this year. Suppose i somehow find 3-10 men who want to have a winter retreat here in the relatively low income area where French and English meet in NB, and we buy up an empty house [plus there are two empty bedrooms in my house]. Those who are still motivated come springtime, start a farm or a furniture shop or a pellet-fuel [factory / usine], etc. to begin producing subsistence goods and a little money income.
Imaginably, we could have a cloister and a frugal “estate”, co-operatively owned by the group in each case. We could “work our keep”. We would be a circle of men thinking about, designing, test-piloting our future. We would be part of the reformation of genuine scholarship.
Who’s got nothing better to do this winter than replace some of what’s wrong with “modern society”? I’m drafting a post for everyman.ca, where i have an author email, and i’ll try to have it sent to the webmaster by the weekend. Then i’ll probably put a url to that post, in one i submit to this site.
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Who cares? It’s not like we need more sociologists and diversity co-ordinators. The vast majority of those girls at university are hoping to get into some sort of government make-work project, minding other people’s business. This at a time when the trillion dollar student loans bubble is about to pop and the welfare-state they all want to work in is effectively bankrupt. The fewer boys wasting time on a Marxist “education” the better.
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@Davd: I’ve been working with my parish priest, the vicar and hopefully soon the Bishop of Halifax on just that. In Hunt’s Point, NS for now, running a taxi service and auto salvage business to bring in money and as an excuse for stocking up on tools.
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WF Price,
Oddly enough, if you take white females out of the equation white and Asian SAT scores are much closer. The gap between white males and white females is substantially larger than that between Asian males and Asian females,
Recall that I wrote a couple of times in the past that the workplace performance of Asian women lags that of Asian men by a much smaller margin than by which the performance of white women lags white men.
I have seen this first hand many, many times.
Many Asian women do analytical jobs, in finance, STEM, etc. I just don’t see white women doing them, despite the preposterous government boost that they receive.
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@ Gender Foreigner
The survival rate by the end of the war for Russian POWs who fell into German hands in 1941 was less than 10%. The Nazis may have treated their “racial near-equals” such as the British and French with relative correctness, but they had a deliberate policy of working “subhumans” such as Russians to death.
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Except for trivia and everyday chores- I find talking to 95 percent of women to be draining and demoralizing. The only ones that I can hold a conversation with are usually highly educated Europeans, perhaps because they haven’t been indoctrinated by Tel-Aviv-Vision/Hollywood. No offense meant, but in general, I avoid Americans, period.
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There’s a movement to use Title IX, the US law that was meant to make college athletics more “balanced” between the genders, to force a quota of 50% women in the Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) colleges.
If you suggest that the same law and the same legal arguments sohuld be used to force a quota of 50% men and 50% women in *all* subjects at college, then you can watch and see a feminist’s head rotate 360 degrees and then explode.
It’s perfectly reasonable to argue that this basic feminist inability to correctly apply simple percentages to real life is proof that women really are bad at math.
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Related:
Here is an article from a student, obviously a male feminist, who is denouncing Movember because when privileged people get cancer, it doesn’t matter.
http://thelinknewspaper.ca/article/2139
The response from a female is interesting, the thrust of her argument is that human suffering is still human suffering:
http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2011/11/09/apparently-men-with-prostate-cancer-are-%E2%80%9Cprivileged%E2%80%9D/
Still, she misses the point, which is where the topic of this thread comes in. The best argument against the mangina feminist is: in what way can it be argued that men are privileged? I mean, students know very well that men are the minority on campus now, and as this thread shows, that is largely due to socially engineered discrimination. If campuses ban fundraising for a disease because they think it affects mostly white men, then that goes to show you how bigoted these social justice turds really are. And how men are lacking in privileges these days.
As an aside, I knew feminists would come out against Movember soon. A hallmark of initial feminist moves against a new enemy is that they send in waves of their light infantry to skirmish- useful idiots like Futrelle and this loser. That way, if there’s some initial pushback, they can claim these, ahem, men aren’t real feminists.
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“Of course, in today’s academic environment to suggest the latter is career suicide (ask Larry Summers)”
I don’t think he did that. He merely said that there are more male geniuses than female, not that there is a big difference in the average men and women or that these men are better than women, just that their numbers are higher.
And the whole deal wasn’t about students, but who get the monies and facutly positions. So that makes it even farther out on the bell curve (of course assuming that only the best get the job)
They got a female harvard president and 50 millions to redress the issue of diversity at Harvard.
As for the female MIT professor Nancy Hopkins who threw a fit at that conference(and others like her)
http://www.isteve.com/2005_Education_of_Larry_Summers.htm
The same drive of getting female faculty in MIT now receiving blowback:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/03/intended-consequences.html
as it does to students. Just look at their numbers
http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1319665&postcount=39
And the dean of admissions who was ousted in 2007 for faking her resume, (was hired in ’79 to increase number of women) even noticed:
“You don’t see the kind of wild innovation from individuals you used to see,” Jones said over lunch during a recent interview. “You see a lot of group and team projects overseen by professionals, but you don’t see the kind of rogue, interesting stuff that we used to see at MIT.”
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There were no women in my brother’s programming class. I asked him whether there were some at the beginning who could not keep up with the pressure, and dropped out? There weren’t any then either.
I guess computer languages are sexist, and need to be dumbed down too.
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“The gap between white males and white females is substantially larger than that between Asian males and Asian females, whose scores are close to even. Seems there’s more neurological sexual dimorphism in whites than in Asians, but perhaps it’s something else. ”
Maybe because the test is not hard enough to separate between them(and from white males). Like shown here:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/math2.htm
There was a feminist study(Hyde et al) that purported to show how the gender differences have disappeared. It mentioned that above a certain SAT maths score boys outnumbered girls by 13-1 in the 70s, now it’s down to less than 4-1.
They don’t mention that the tests aren’t same. The maths portion is easier so that it’s harder to separate the bright from the brightest, the english part is difficult(compared to maths).
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“There’s a movement to use Title IX, the US law that was meant to make college athletics more “balanced” between the genders, to force a quota of 50% women in the Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) colleges.”
The law wasn’t meant for athletics, it was for education that then went into who gets federal grants. Because girls were already doing better in education. The latter part is right, check out this:
http://www.academia.org/title-ix-conquers-science/
btw There’s a comment in moderation that shows the hypocrisy of statement:
“But women aren’t favored in college admissions — men are.”
another look at who gets the favors in education
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/bias-against-men-expands-education-gap/
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also that women usually get better grades for the same SAT scores than men:
http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/satwainer.htm
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Nico November 9, 2011 at 15:32
Asians also have higher IQ on average (behind ashkenaze jews)
Nico, 60% of the world’s population is “Asian” and the term can mean anything
(behind ashkenaze jews)
That’s nonsense too
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Ariel
“But women aren’t favored in college admissions — men are.
Check out these articles:”
Do you think they would publish anything if it was the other way round?
http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1319665&postcount=39
From arguably one of the best university. What is that? “Great strides for gender equality”, “women are making progress” . ooh lala. Bring on the plaudits. (for the now disgraced dean of admissions, though not for “gender-equality”, that’s absurd)
http://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/marilee_jones_in_the_news_1
I suspect most of you are against affirmative action. What would you describe this practice as? Letting men in with lower grades, fewer honors and extracurriculars, in favor of making higher education more gender-balanced?
This practice is corruption of standards. Since girls can’t make it on standardized tests, call them discriminatory, include a writing section to make it more “gender-equal”; girls get better grades, give it more weight, girls don’t play as much video games and can be more easily swayed to do extracurricular activities that look better on the resume. A student who wants to work for the whole humankind and animalkind needs to show such resolve from an early age!
The whole gender-balanced thing is retarded, first let in women who make history – “first women to graduate from so and so” “first woman valedictorian”, then letting in more females by calls of sexism while they get the reputation of the institution that men built up.
The creeping up of female percentage as a mark of progress and more calls for women and change of standards to bring more of them in while crying about lowering of the same “standards” for men.
“If there were no affirmative action for men and college admission were based purely on merit”
Yes that merit thing was why the standardized tests were brought aobut, rather than grades in school exams(and which is now grades based on coursework). British GCSE dropped coursework and boys went ahead after decades of lagging behind girls in maths.
Poor girls were victimised by the stereotype effect!
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If I were in charge of college admissions, I hope I would have the academic and educational fortitude to admit that our school systems are preposterously biased against boys and so would level the playing field by lowering the bar for them.
Fuck equality or gender parity. I’d do it strictly out of simple human decency.
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bingo!
Take a look at the OWS crowd. A good chunk of them are unemployed female college grads making interest payments on that credit card they used to buy a cheese pizza back in their freshman year. Who wants to join their fate?
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“But Northern Europeans (Nordics) have larger frontal lobes which is where imagination and creativity reside.”
Creativity doesn’t ‘reside’ in any ‘lobes’.
- Vortac
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You are caught in the socialist keeping up appearances game. We are men here talking about education. The best and most effective long term way that truely makes a community stronger is to raise the ability of the targetted group. Example, I want more black men in collegs learning engineering. So I have deamed myself leader of black men and I have two approaches. First I can count heads and claim blacks a being discrimminated against and force a quota. Or check out engineering schools find out where their grads are and what qualities they look for in new students. Go back to your community of black males and get to work raising the abilities and qualifications of your community so they can qualify for entry in the great schools. No matter what happens if you succeed or not you will still have a bunch of highly or more higher qualified and capable blackmen. (you don’t have to win american idol to get the record deal, just develope a marketable talent) That is how it is done.
As it stands right now I’m a MGTOW,PUA kind of guy and this garbage feminist and manginas are doing to american schools gets a you go girl from me. Let them cunts fight over the six guys they let into college. Lets fully encourage the women studies bullshit and the you have worked hard to get and education and shouldn’t settle. I want that empowered bitch single childless and working at 38 looking like a worn out carousel rider that she is. As an MRA I want to make the goal of as many men as possible to make voluntary or involutary childless sprinsterhood a terrifying norm for enough women to panic the herd. For all here thinking manginas and whiteknights will save the day. Well that panict herd will stampede anything in its path. You go girl
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Dear Nemo November 9, 2011 at 21:02:
Agreed. My point was as per the comparison made by prosecutors of (some of the) Japanese war criminals in the immediacy of the aftermath of WWII.
The outright extermination of the Soviet prisoners is well known (notwithstanding Feminist denial which is virtually everywhere). Of course, despite the Feminist Affirmative Action and the like, almost 100% of the exterminated Soviet prisoners of war were men.
Being temporally close to events has its up side. Being temporally distant from events has its up side. Given the Soviet-war-crimes-denial commitment which was only painfully obvious as per the official denial of the United Nations alliance, (and even the outright complicity of the French state in them–delivering target groups for extermination and the provision of much skilled labor for German factories), many extreme crimes were overlooked on the OFFICIAL RECORDS. You mentioned one.
My point was as per honor killings. There were very few of such in the case of Germany and many in the case of Japan. The extermination of Soviet prisoners of war were not technically included in the death rates because such had not been delivered into POW camps per se.
In fact, the matter of the Soviet exterminations had occurred to me while reading the war-crimes records (and certainly there were murders of them in POW camps as official policy also).
Indeed, there is wisdom in many counselors. A book written by a USA journalist about, in effect, “the missing men,” (I forgot the book’s name–but I have a hard copy which I read about three years ago) particularized how American and British Empire POWs had been forsaken by their various governments in order to maintain some manner of cooperation from the Soviets, even after the obvious confirmation of the Cold War. Most of those men were left to die (be worked to death, mostly). But again, such were not honor killings: they were complicit criminal-negligence-to-protect killings in which femocentric governments just said substantially, “To hell with the men.”
Thank you for your submission.
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Dear Nemo November 9, 2011 at 21:02:
Agreed. My point was as per the comparison made by prosecutors of (some of the) Japanese war criminals in the immediacy of the aftermath of WWII.
The outright extermination of the Soviet prisoners is well known (notwithstanding Feminist denial which is virtually everywhere). Of course, despite the Feminist Affirmative Action and the like, almost 100% of the exterminated Soviet prisoners of war were men.
Being temporally close to events has its up side. Being temporally distant from events has its up side. Given the Soviet-war-crimes-denial commitment which was only painfully obvious as per the official denial of the United Nations alliance, (and even the outright complicity of the French state in them–delivering target groups for extermination and the provision of much skilled labor for German factories), many extreme crimes were overlooked on the OFFICIAL RECORDS. You mentioned one.
My point was as per honor killings. There were very few of such in the case of Germany and many in the case of Japan. The extermination of Soviet prisoners of war were not technically included in the death rates because such had not been delivered into POW camps per se.
In fact, the matter of the Soviet exterminations had occurred to me while reading the war-crimes records (and certainly there were murders of them in POW camps as official policy also).
Indeed, there is wisdom in many counselors. A book written by a USA journalist about, in effect, “the missing men,” (I forgot the book’s name–but I have a hard copy which I read about three years ago) particularized how American and British Empire POWs had been forsaken by their various governments in order to maintain some manner of cooperation from the Soviets, even after the obvious confirmation of the Cold War. Most of those men were left to die (be worked to death, mostly). But again, such were not honor killings: they were complicit criminal-negligence-to-protect killings in which femocentric governments just said substantially, “To hell with the men.”
Thank you for your submission.
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Get a load of Penn State. Not a whole of hope for the future. Guys smoking the sports opiate going on a rampage for a coach who may or may not have perjured himself.
How about turning over cars and tearing down lampposts to protest the biases of the Women’s Studies dept. or for some male student who was falsely accused of rape?
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Have you ever seen the math books that are used in schools in this country? My son is now several years ahead in math, and takes the highest level of advanced placement available; he tests out at the 99th percentile on national standardized tests. But just a few years ago, he was thinking of quitting math altogether! He was repeatedly frustrated by homework assignments. I sat down with him and his math book, and found the problem immediately. There was hardly any math in it!
First of all, these books are huge. My junior high school math books were about 7×9 and had maybe 225 pages, and were completely focused on mathematics. Today’s math books are 10×12 and 1000 pages. Why the increase? Because they are designed to make girls succeed at the expense of boys. These books are full of irrelevant words and pictures. It’s almost impossible to find the math in there; no wonder he was frustrated. I scored in the 99th percentile on the SAT for verbal and math back in the day, and I was frustrated by these books as well. So I got him some tutoring to replace his public school math classes, which is what everyone does now.
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@ Taxi Driver — me-thinks we should correspond offsite about this. You probably know what Taizé is; think of a Taizé of forest restoration, perennial crops, and local governance. That’s as well as i can quickly phrase it.
@ W.F. Price, please give “Taxi Driver” my e-mail address.
Thanks,
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Bill:
“Have you ever seen the math books that are used in schools in this country?”
Man, that’s the truth. When I took AP Physics in high school (all boys high school), we used the standard, single volume, blue cover Halliday & Resnick text book, about 5″ thick – NO color pictures and only simple line drawings to illustrate points. The text book was available in two volumes, but no guy would be caught dead with the skinny volumes. Carrying around that thick text book was a badge of honor. Text was tight and in a small font. The latest edition from what I see on Amazon has been “modernized” – probably dumbed down.
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The Spartans sent their boys to the Agoge where they were trained by men to be noble and courageous.
Americans send their boys to government schools where they are trained by women to be passive and compliant.
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http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/11/real-life-good-will-huntings-and-class.html
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Carnivore – I know because I used the same book for AP physics in HS, and I’ve purchased a 1960′s edition for my son’s use when he takes it. I’ve also purchased a 1960′s edition of the Thomas calculus and analytic geometry text that I used to learn calculus, just to make sure.
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Of course women suck at math- just look at the ridiculous rape stats they come up with.
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I must admit – that is pretty original: girls wanting their bills paid – by using a campus as a hunting ground. You should call it like an “MRS degree” or something like that.
Help the mrms that obviously support your daring views -start puttin’ down all that original thought on your blog and show them the way through innovative thought.
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Nice to see Firepower and Keyster are back to troll the comments, after the admin asked us all to stop.
Regards, Boxer
Hot debate. What do you think?
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The schools from elementary on up to college haven’t improved since I was a kid that’s for sure! The “anti-bullying” crusade in the news nowadays is also a bonafide JOKE! Who are the real bullies in schools? the teachers! ~ if you’re not female or a jock, the female teachers have nothing for ya, and that’s a fact.
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Who are the real bullies in schools? the teachers! ~ if you’re not female or a jock, the female teachers have nothing for ya, and that’s a fact.
That’s true at the uni level as well. Some of the vilest and most reprehensible bigots on my campus are the tottering old skeezers who like nothing more than the artificial “authority” their positions give them in the eyes of nubile young female students. I’m thinking of one female (dyke) and a couple of males. The females get the best grades, just by showing up. Male students get sweet FA from these characters.
On the upside, that generation is dying off pretty rapidly, and will soon be replaced by fellas like my own bad self.
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Gee, boxer
I give you a heartfelt compliment on the depth of your reasoning
and best wishes on spreading your revleations all around to mrms
and you get nasty.
Don’t be so guilty about the quality of your writing
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Even if boys and girls are ‘pretty well identical’ from the neck it is still feasible for boys to dominate at the top end of the spectrum. When you are talking about Harvard professors and Nobel prizewinners, as opposed to the nearly men and women, a very small advantage is all that is necessary.
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“I guess computer languages are sexist, and need to be dumbed down too.”
ie garbage collection
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So, wasn’t Obama who said USA need more engineers? What’s unclear, does he want serious and competent engineers, or affirmative action women ones?
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While spot on content wise, maybe this wasn’t the best title to use given current events. Men or males might have been better.
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Gender-Raunch quack-ademics who dominate American universities, now have the full backing of American media, and the full funding of the federal pork dollar, to re-define what the meaning of is, is; to say up is really down; left is really right; and matriarchy is really patriarchy.
These my friends are the “Foundational perversions” that the neo gender-Raunch constructions are built upon.
America will need academics outside the pervert curtain of American Gender-Raunch hegemony to call the patriarchy a patriarchy, and the matriarchy the matriarchy.
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The differences in math ability are small at the median by large as one goes up in IQ.
In overall IQ there are twice as many men as women with IQ at 120 or above, and 4 times as many at 140 and above. There are 30 times as many with IQs of 170 or above.
The ratios are even more pronounced in math abilities on the right tail, and somewhat less so in verbal abilities.
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Nico–
NE asians have slightly higher IQ’s than whites, all on the visiospatial side of math. The have somewhat lower verbal and logical IQ’s than whites. Other Asians have considerably lower IQs than whites, intermediate between whites and American blacks by and large, with India lower. It’s just that almost the only Indians we get/let in here are smart high caste ones though H1b visas, etc.
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Doug, many American asians grow in a solid patriarchy, and that is a main factor in education or non-education.
American Gender-Raunch think they can overlord over a broken and divided matriarchy…But that will not be the end result.
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America is a lost cause. Complete, utter, hopeless, futile, lost freakin’ cause.
Can’t people see that in the future this cuntry is only going to get worse?
I believe this country should NEVER, EVER, in a million freakin’ years, EVER get involved in another foreign war, unless American soil is attacked first. We shouldn’t be involved in “humanitarian” wars or anything like that, nothing. No more American troops on foreign soil, ever the hell again. Never. I don’t care if there’s genocide going on. We didn’t cause the genocide, so why the hell should we get involved? Europeans are much smarter in this regard, since they already did the whole colonialism thing, and watched it crash and burn and get thrown back in their face for the last 100 years. Why is America so stupid as to take on the role of World Police? Is that nothing more than colonialism again? Economic colonialism. Military domination. At the expense of the broke and hopeless American taxpaying slaves.
Complete, utter, isolation is the only logical action for a nation. No terrorist could ever accuse America of being the “Great Satan” if we’d keep our freakin’ troops on our own damn soil. Then, none of this guilty conscience crap would destroy America, like it has in the last 40 years with feminism (men are evil), civil rights (white people are evil), “equality” and all this other B.S. which is nothing more than a sign of a royally screwed up cesspool of a country. The root of all this politically correct, nation-destroying B.S., is the guilt-ridden social programs and historical “revision” at the expense of “evil white men.” And you know, us white guys are never, ever, in a million years going to live that down. Never! So why bother with America, it’s DEAD! F#ck it, let it die.
Time to start over. And learn from the mistakes of the past, and never repeat them, and never lose our own country from under our noses ever again (it’s mostly our own fault). Because if anything, America was lost form right under our noses. It’s being lost to Feminism, multiculturalism, Imperialism, greed, Wall Street, you name it. It’s gone. It was a good country for a while. And we tried to fix it’s un-fixable problems by treating everybody “equally,” but somewhere along the way, it got kidnapped by the republicans (no new taxes on the rich), and the people who founded this country are now looked upon as “The Great Satan.” And I must say, after getting involved in so many foreign wars (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) and toppling so many governments (Libya, Iran, etc. etc.) how can you not blame us? We have too much blood on our hands. Even if we thought the cause was just. But I think we should just hunker down and say, screw the rest of the world.
Nobody hates Canada. Obviously because they don’t go around the world sticking their noses in people’s business.
Oh and, to finally get on topic. The war against boys will never end in this sick society. EVER. Because white history is “evil.” It’s nothing but “genocide.” Even though my ancestors were from sweden and never owned a slave, because they didn’t live here then. But it doesn’t matter, I’m white, which automatically means my ancestors committed some form of genocide or another against the Native Americans, the Blacks, or any other “fill in the blank” race who hates white men.
If I could, I would move to Iceland. I’d want to live in a place with my own kind of people, and not have to deal with multiculturalism. I know it’s evil for white people to say that. And that’s why America can go screw itself.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Will penny…Its not Gender-Raunch thats fightin the wars, so Gender-Raunch put up a fickle opposition to wars in order for their pervert media to report “Gender-Raunch is against all wars”.
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American Gender-Raunch quackademics say up is down, left is right, and patriarchy is matriarchy; and the reason they are believed is because they have their fellow gender-Raunch in control of American media, and they are all getting federal “pork to pervert” dollars.
The truth is stranger than fiction!!
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@lion
Math is sqewed towards men because it’s logical….women are incapable of logic.
If you want to see Math that is skewed towards women go to Family Court…..
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As a sidenote: the number of male students has dropped also in Europe, where there are no SATs. Perhaps even more than in the USA.
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In Iceland and Scandanavia the People are utterly PC and guilty as well. In each White Nation the rationale given for extinction is a little bit different. Having a history of colonialism isn’t necessary – just being White is enough. Complete rejection of all Liberalism and a return to National and Racial Pride are the only thing that will save us. It is no sense arguing with them – they are Mad and intend our demise.
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Folks must understand…Not all patriarchies are being broken equally. In fact If one was to use the non-gender-Raunch perverted definition of “patriarchy”, which is what i prefer to use, it means; order, thrift, cultivation (husbandry), and education. Now using this definition of “patriarchy”, its the American Academic Gender-Raunch community that live in our universities, where there is order, eduaction, ect, ect,
Its this Gender-Raunch patriarchy in our universities that is constructing the paradigm that is now creating and manufacturing the legions upon legions of the un-educated, broken, violent matriarchal underclass.
They should be real proud of themselves!!
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@GraniteSoldier: they’re even more challenged by abstract thinking, IME.
I think it’s important to point out ALL the standardized tests (including IQ) go back about a century, to the time when women were pushing for the vote (equality), and so from the beginning they’ve been rigged to show little or no difference between the sexes, since they were first dreamt up by people who took that as a given.
One does this by simply throwing out any question where there is a difference, thus confirming the gender-neutral bias one has built in from the start. The tests don’t measure anything but ones ability to take easily administered and scored tests. Or at least it’s not clear what it is they do measure.
WRT there being less sexual dimorphism in (some) Asians, this is what you’d expect from a more monogamous/patriarchal mating system. When both parents make almost identical investments in offspring, the sexes can be difficult to tell apart. With less male-male violent competition for mates, made possible by such an orderly system, the males don’t have to be so “masculine” by our standards.
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Not to point out the obvious(or atleast should be obvious):
They are only talking about raw percentages =useless data without proper context.
I remember in High School the Guidance Councelors pressured every gal into taking the SAT. While I can’t remember a single person(Guidance Counselor or Teacher) who suggested to us guy’s to take the test.
So in the end the only guy’s who are taking the SAT’s are the ones who are scary smart. Hence the huge drop off in SAT scores and the illusion of male superiority in the SAT.
The writer who came out against the SAT just exposed himself as an epic idiot for failing to take that one crucial factor into account.
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Depends. Janet Hyde and her study about how girls and boys don’t differ in maths(significantly) had this as one explanation for why boys still scored higher than girls.
“So in the end the only guy’s who are taking the SAT’s are the ones who are scary smart. Hence the huge drop off in SAT scores and the illusion of male superiority in the SAT.”
Doesn’t explain
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/10/huge-gender-differences-persist-on-sat.html
“Despite being better prepared academically by many different measures, both overall and for mathematics specifically, female high school students score significantly lower on the SAT math test, and the 30-point differences in test scores favoring males has persisted since Richard Nixon was president. “
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Depends, Janet Hyde in her study about how the “maths gap” has all but disappeared, mentioned this as one factor.
“So in the end the only guy’s who are taking the SAT’s are the ones who are scary smart. Hence the huge drop off in SAT scores and the illusion of male superiority in the SAT.”
Doesn’t explain:
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/10/huge-gender-differences-persist-on-sat.html
Despite being better prepared academically by many different measures, both overall and for mathematics specifically, female high school students score significantly lower on the SAT math test, and the 30-point differences in test scores favoring males has persisted since Richard Nixon was president. At the high end of math performance, high school males significantly outperformed their female counterparts on the 2011 SAT math test – for test scores of 750-800 there were more than 183 males for every 100 females achieving at that level.
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>>> If I could, I would move to Iceland
world’s highest rate of of outside-of-matrimony births. Higher than Africa.
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