Bieber Scandal Demonstrates Absurd Nature of Child Support Laws

by W.F. Price on November 7, 2011

Mariah Yeater, the 20-year-old tramp who claims to have given birth to Justin Bieber’s child, probably has no idea who her baby’s father is. Perhaps she had a fantasy that the baby is Bieber’s, and has managed to convince herself it’s the truth. Given how often women are wrong about the true identity of their child’s father, this sort of thing is likely a common occurrence. However, it is conceivable, although highly unlikely, that Justin Bieber is in fact the baby’s father.

If this is the case, Yeater will be set for at least the next 18 years. Given Bieber’s wealth, she will have an upper-middle-class income without having to do a lick of work — all for seducing a 16-year-old boy. If Bieber’s career stalls, as often happens with child pop stars, he will find it very difficult to reduce child support. He may end up in debt, crushed under a burden he cannot afford. Yeater, like most women, will not have an ounce of pity for him. In her mind, she will have earned every penny of the support she receives. “30 seconds,” as she claimed, will translate to millions of dollars. She will have hit the jackpot. The common logic is that it’s the male party’s fault — the stock response from feminists (and almost all women, actually) is that he “had a choice.”

A grown woman who seduces an underage boy shouldn’t be entitled to anything, but under current law she will receive child support no matter how she got pregnant. Teachers who slept with students have been awarded child support. Vili Fualaau, who impregnated the infamous Mary Kay Letourneau at the age of 12, probably ultimately married his former teacher to avoid having to pay child support. In other words, the working class Samoan kid had no choice (other than grinding poverty, that is) but to marry a woman over twenty years his senior — I wouldn’t believe for a minute the ridiculous stories about “eternal love” between the unlikely couple.

Does anyone really believe that women will not abuse the law as it stands today? That they will not try to seduce and entrap hapless men and boys? Because there is absolutely no disincentive, and because of the sham “best interests of the child” doctrine (if this were really the issue, women would be forced to stay in unhappy marriages), it is inevitable that some women will do exactly this. The easier the victim the better. Rich youths, like Bieber, make good targets. Overpaid athletes with questionable intellectual capacity are easy marks, too. As obvious as it is that these women are predators, our courts still place the blame on their prey.

But perhaps something good will come out of this latest tabloid story about Justin Bieber and the woman who claims she caught his sperm — at least Bieber’s underage fans will know a little more about the harsh reality of family law than previous generations of children. Better the boys learn early – before it’s too late – that they can expect no mercy if and when they father children.

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Jim November 7, 2011 at 14:41

The worst part about this is that everytime I think it can’t get worse, it does. And the fact that I continue to be shocked is cause for concern. Do I need to take more red pill to be desensitized?

By the way, I love that quote in a previous thread….

Women’s virtue is man’s greatest invention.

Smart!

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Uncle Elmer November 7, 2011 at 14:48

This is nothing. We had a case here a few years back of a woman accusing David Letterman of raping her through television thought control.

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Boxer November 7, 2011 at 14:49

Hey Jim:

The answer is to look at the status quo the way Thomas Paine, V.I. Lenin or Che Guevara looked at the societies they successfully overthrew.

The worst part about this is that everytime I think it canít get worse, it does. And the fact that I continue to be shocked is cause for concern. Do I need to take more red pill to be desensitized?

Worse is better. All those guys above published that sentiment in their day, and we should see things that way too. The worse things get for Joe Blow out on the streets, the more apt he is to come over to our side in the months to come.

Those of us who are serious about men’s issues should consider ourselves revolutionaries who are working in an enemy camp, and keep revolutionary discipline. Those who are worthy of joining us will. Those who aren’t, will get what they deserve through their allegiance to an untenable system.

Of course the losers who sit around waiting to be rescued by establishment political parties (conservatives – LOL) will fall into the latter camp, but they were never our friends or allies to begin with, and we shouldn’t worry too much about them.

Regards, Boxer

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CorkyAgain November 7, 2011 at 14:59

It used to be that a mother would tell her children that they owed her because she was pregnant with them for nine months (not all of them as miserable as she claimed). That nine months in the womb incurred a debt so large it could never be paid off.

Now a woman gets an even larger return on thirty seconds of her time. (Thirty seconds, btw, that she probably enjoyed too.)

This is what feminists call “progress”.

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b-nasty November 7, 2011 at 15:03

This lady, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0162fc348af1970d-pi, is 20? Man, she has had a rough life. About the most used-up looking 20y/o I’ve ever seen.

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Firepower November 7, 2011 at 15:06

Boxer

The answer is to look at the status quo the way Thomas Paine, V.I. Lenin or Che Guevara looked at the societies they successfully overthrew.

Looks like one of those names doesn’t belong with the others – the one that didn’t liquidate entire populations for the ‘crime’ of counterrevolution.

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Lovekraft November 7, 2011 at 15:40

What I wonder is what goes through the minds of the white knights who hear of these stories. Does the truth set off subsequent awakening, or are they so numbed and controlled that they just ignore it?

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GT66 November 7, 2011 at 16:08

So here’s Bieber at the top of his life, with fame and money and that’s the best skank he could scare up? Part of the problem with men really is men themselves. We really do this shit to ourselves sometimes. To quote George Carlin, “how about being a little more fuckin selective next time?”

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Anonymous November 7, 2011 at 16:26
Anti Idiocy November 7, 2011 at 16:27

@GT66 “We really do this shit to ourselves sometimes.”

I agree about men; we really do often screw ourselves over by not keeping the dick in the pants, when it oughta stay there. But Bieber was apparently 16 when this tryst happened. I’d cut him more slack than I’d cut a 25 year old.

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Anti Idiocy November 7, 2011 at 16:31

Not really off topic, so much as related topic. Here’s an essay that you all really ought to read. One of my favorite books on the economic collapse, which I read when it came out about 8 years ago, is “Financial Reckoning Day” by William Bonner and Addison Wiggin. Bonner is a well known analyst and commentator, who has some fine insight (he foresaw the mess that we’re now in, when many were claiming that the boom would go on and on.) He has an essay today on his “The Daily Reckoning” website. Dayamn! Wait’ll you read the ending…
http://dailyreckoning.com/printing-money-to-combat-a-global-depression/

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keyster November 7, 2011 at 16:45

Don’t forget accusations are becoming retro-active.

If you upset a woman 15 years ago, Gloria Allred will find her and make a spectacle out it.

Since the Lily Ledbetter Act was signed into law there’s no time constraint on a woman deciding she was discriminated against for equal pay.

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Renee November 7, 2011 at 16:45

It’s not enough that at 19, she slept with a 16 year old. It’s that when Bieber was 16, he looked freakin’ 12! As a matter of fact, he STILL looks 12….

How could a 19 year old find that attractive, unless she really was in it for the money.

And believe it or not, while watching an entertainment news show, a commentator did mention how this whole paternity thing can possibly result in her being charged with a crime.

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tom47 November 7, 2011 at 16:52

OK, so if he was 16 at the time why isn’t she being charged with rape.
OT just a little.
This afternoon on CNN they had a good laugh at the fact that 19% of men 25 to 35 still lived with their parents. The gay looking host on the left couldn’t stop from laughing between “get a life” comments and the female “co anchor” commented that they “probably weren’t very good with women” Two total pieces of shit having a good laugh at our expense.What’s next, stroke victim jokes? It really was disgusting. Don’t think by the way I tuned into this shit station, it wason in the company cafeteria.

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unlucky man November 7, 2011 at 16:52

Great quote on Bieber story in MSM comments. “every male pop star gets accused of rape”

So true. Can you think of a pop star / major athlete who has not been accused?

Or a man in a contentious divorce who isn’t accused of being violent?

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keyster November 7, 2011 at 17:05

@Boxer

Yeah I see what you mean; Thomas Paine, Lenin and Guevera had SO MUCH in common. One argued for autonomy from government, the other two argued for autonomy OF government.

Once your revolution over the establishment political parties occurs, what system do you propose to take it’s place? (Or do I even need to ask?) Surely you must have written an argument against the American system of governance for your favorite professor that perhaps you can share here.

Once this revolution of clear thinking men is over, we’ll be depending on your leadership and guidance to build a new.

Regards in Solidarity,
Keyster

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Anti Idiocy November 7, 2011 at 17:08

@tom47 “This afternoon on CNN they had a good laugh at the fact that 19% of men 25 to 35 still lived with their parents. The gay looking host on the left couldnít stop from laughing between ďget a lifeĒ comments and the female ďco anchorĒ commented that they ďprobably werenít very good with womenĒ Two total pieces of shit having a good laugh at our expense.Whatís next, stroke victim jokes?”

Take a look at the article that I linked to above.

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DCM November 7, 2011 at 17:11

She probably picked Bieber to accuse because he has the most money of anyone she’s been around. She may not have realized that paternity can be definitively pinpointed these days or she may be confident that the judge will nail Beiber because he has more money than the alternatives. You can never tell what those bastards will do.

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Boxer November 7, 2011 at 17:21

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Boxer November 7, 2011 at 17:27

She may not have realized that paternity can be definitively pinpointed these days

It’s actually a pretty common scam in some places to list someone as the father in the hopes that enough time will pass to make disputing such a thing impossible under the law. It wouldn’t surprise me if this looney tunes thought she could get away with such stuff.

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Firepower November 7, 2011 at 17:31

keyster

@joxer

Once your revolution over the establishment political parties occurs, what system do you propose to take itís place? (Or do I even need to ask?)

He’ll let you know,
as soon as he finishes
Animal Farm

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zed November 7, 2011 at 17:34

DCM said

She probably picked Bieber to accuse because he has the most money of anyone sheís been around. She may not have realized that paternity can be definitively pinpointed these days or she may be confident that the judge will nail Beiber because he has more money than the alternatives. You can never tell what those bastards will do.

It would be kind of funny to watch some judge try to nail Bieber for child support even if it turns out to not be his child. With as much money has he has, little Justin might turn out to be an MRA conscript – if some judge does try to soak him just because he does have money.

I can’t believe that his handlers would have let a skeezoid like her get close to him. I think she is probably nuts, and once the media has a field day with the story it will go on to the next new big scandal.

The thing I think his lawyers need to be worried about is that DNA tests can be falsified – they are all the time. Whoever does this paternity test needs to have oversight breathing down their necks.

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Anonymous November 7, 2011 at 17:55

Price why do you let Boxer and Firepower shit repeatedly on every single thread with the same idiotic nonsense?

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tom47 November 7, 2011 at 18:34

@Keyster
“If you upset a woman 15 years ago, Gloria Allred will find her and make a spectacle out it.”
Just saw it happen on the news!
@Anti Idiocy
If any thing I blame the Republicans more than the Democracts. As the conservative party they’ve failed to maintaine the system, and as the party that gets 56% of it’s votes from men they do nothing for us. I guess that’s because for 99% of the male population we live in a male dominating society and not a male dominated society. That’s the true nature of patriarchy and always has been.
No it’s not rooted in nature but in a subtle corruption of nature. In nature a hierarchy is rooted in reproductive privilege, not just social privilege or power. It’s like junk food that satisfies the urge to eat but not the reason for the urge.

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Renee November 7, 2011 at 19:03

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TFH November 7, 2011 at 19:36

Does anyone really believe that women will not abuse the law as it stands today?

Bill Bennett and most SoCon probably believe that women never abuse the law.

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Avenger November 7, 2011 at 19:57

This is the girl Bieber is shagging

http://tinyurl.com/79xan3c

She’s 19 too. Just throw them both in jail for corrupting the morals of a minor

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Avenger November 7, 2011 at 19:59

So true. Can you think of a pop star / major athlete who has not been accused?

Charlie Watts? :)

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Avenger November 7, 2011 at 20:25

Itís actually a pretty common scam in some places to list someone as the father

Boxer, that means nothing in a court of law. How does putting some name on a birth certificate mean anything? Or prove it’s even the same person. Putting a name down eg. John Smith means nothing because there may be a million of them and as far as I know there is no other identifying marker on a Cal. birth certificate.
You can’t just collect child support by claiming someone is the father but must get a court order which means the person will have to be served with court papers and service must be shown with an affidavit. You can’t just drop the papers on someone’s doorstep.
Many people here cite cases where some innocent guy has a judgement entered against him eg. he was in the service or out of the country or the summons was just left at his old address etc etc and I’m sure there probably are cases where some stupid judge didn’t verify service but this is rare and is something that could happen in any civil case not just child support.
What does he do if a judgement is entered against him and unknown to him until a few years later? Just file an appeal, which would stay any action on that judgement; and also include a motion to toll the statute of limitations based on fraud and defective service.

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Factory November 7, 2011 at 20:31

Things are really shaping up, actually. We have a populace increasingly fed up with the lack of prosperity they’ve been promised, you have the Bill Bennetts and Kay Hymowitz’s of the world saying ‘let them eat cake’ in modern parlance, you have increasingly obvious social injustices like this one (hard to make the inconsistency invisible with a pop star, no?) that the Media can’t gloss over or hide, and a movement dedicated to exposing these injustices growing in leaps and bounds.

Sounds to me like we’re nearing the End Game soon. Combine this with the LSE lawsuit (which I think is pretty damn big in ramifications), and the increasing disparity in income and career prospects between men and women (and the attendant lack of response by Government), I’ll say the Mens Rights Movement hits the mainstream within 12 months.

And yeah, I’ll bet a beer on that one.

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Boxer November 7, 2011 at 21:31

Dear Avenger:

You’re wrong (much as I wish you weren’t).

As I understand the scam, the wee lassie fingers a father and gives the appropriate state agency a phony address for him. He is then “served by mail” at the phony address, and after a few years the state starts attaching the poor fellow’s wages. All the while, the dear girl has been collecting welfare goodies and wailing about how she has been abandoned.

This is, of course, the first time he has heard the claim that he has a kid someplace. He will customarily demand a paternity test, but o wait, the law only gives him a fixed amount of time to do so (in California it’s 2 years, as I understand things) and the time is up. “But I never knew!” he shouts. “Oh,” the state replies, “we served you by mail at your last known address….”

And another fella gets the shaft.

Regards, Boxer

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Boxer November 7, 2011 at 21:44

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Avenger November 7, 2011 at 21:54

Boxer, you apparently didn’t understand what I wrote. Have a lawyer explain it to you.

And I’m well aware that there is fraud which is what I adressed in my comment, as well as the identity issue.

If the social service dept. just picks some guy with the same name and freezes his bank account because they don’t give a damn then it’s time to sue them all in Federal Court.

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Rocco November 7, 2011 at 22:07

@ Factory

And the MRM is now unstoppable, not by them, not by us.

And not by the idiots fighting in the background providing a Laural and Hardy sort of humor to the whole affair.

This is what a grass roots movement looks like. This is not a top down movement like temperance or feminism. This is more like Unionism where people come together to stop getting shit on and right now that’s all men. This movement will grow fast I think. In 50 years may be as big as feminism is today. I hope we achieve more than they did.

What did temperence achieve or feminism, the few laws it made will clearly be whipped away as they are undeniably biased and unfair. The light is on, we see the elephant.

Feminist scientific studies show girls prefer boys over nucler physics.

Eventually feminism may be seen to be a fad of a guilded era in the US after Industrialization and the trauma us previously mainly rural human species.

Country girl becomes Sex in the City. Well, I watched an episode of that movie they have out and those chicks are hags…damn.

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Rocco November 7, 2011 at 22:32

OT

Thank god, here’s a sensible article of HPV and men which is really boys….and I promise it’s a positive story.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/11/07/142030282/why-hpv-vaccination-of-boys-may-be-easier?sc=fb&cc=fp

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Rebel November 7, 2011 at 23:18

@Rocco:

I don’t trust vaccines at all.

Maybe I should tell this one:

The only time I had a vaccine (after the childhood vaccines) was the H1N1 flu vaccine. (3 years ago)

I took it because my doctor said I should, even though I had never caught flu in my life. Not once.

Ever since I had the vaccine, I’ve been hit with the flu about twice a year: never have I been so sick in my life. I think I have been administered a slow kill. It can’t be in my mind, I’ve truly been sick.
My health has also been on a steady decline for three years now, since I had that shot.

Think twice before you get yourself shot.

I can’t pull the poison out of my blood now.
I should never have had that flu shot.

Don’t trust the government with your life. You are cattle to them. And nothing more.

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Matt Strictland November 7, 2011 at 23:23

16 is y old enough in either direction and if a man can sleep with a 16 year old and have it be moral (though not legal everywhere) , the reverse is true as well. A 16 year old man is after all a few scant months from being allowed to serve in the military in the US or drive.

However I suspect this is BS and given that Beiber is famous, wealthy and has good lawyers, she won;t get a thing which is good on him. Would it be the same for the other men

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Depravo November 8, 2011 at 00:04

I don’t hold with abortion, but while it, and adoption, and over a dozen forms of birth control and the morning after pill besides are there, we can take it that every child that is born in the West now is born with the mother’s express consent. Why then is the father liable in any way for its support if she chose to exclude it from his life? I thought that was the whole point of legalising abortion in the first place – choice – that and making it easier to get would magically reduce its occurrence. But the tart has reasons the mind knows nothing of.

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Traveller November 8, 2011 at 00:11

The main problem I think is, these gold diggers are more than fleas on a street dog (with less dignity).

So even if he is found innocent, what prevents another of those parasites going up and demanding the same?

Should he take paternity tests for the rest of his life?

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Firepower November 7, 2011 at 17:31
keyster

@joxer

Once your revolution over the establishment political parties occurs, what system do you propose to take itís place? (Or do I even need to ask?)

Heíll let you know,
as soon as he finishes
Animal Farm

*****************

Heh, if thats the case he’d better pay close attention to the fate of the character that shares his name.

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WebbBH November 8, 2011 at 01:14

Tom 47,
IF by some minute chance Beiber had sex with Yeater, statutory rape amounts to jack shit in the state of California if the minor is a male.

In the case San Luis Obispo v. Nathaniel, the court ordered a 15-year-old boy to pay child support to his 34-year-old rapist. Despite the charges against her, the court concluded that the boy could not be considered a victim of sexual abuse as he “voluntarily” engaged in sexual intercourse with the woman effectively negating the entire legal concept of age of consent.

If by some chance Beiber turns out to be the father, his age will not matter to the state. Of course, if he lacked a penis, it would be a much different story.

In reference to your comments about CNN, fuck ‘em. Let them laugh. For every misandric comment made by MSM trolls or attempts at shaming by the likes of bill “richard cranium” bennett (no caps for shitheads) and feminists alike, the message is getting through that men do not want relationships, marriage, and all the risk they assume by virtue of being male and it scares the shit out of them.

So what if the male version of a “warm bath and a good book” is mom and dad’s basement and video games?

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Ken November 8, 2011 at 04:55

My first thoughts upon hearing about this story was
“Hey, Bieber’s not such a punk after all!” :)

But…the 20 year old woman should be arrested for stat rape!

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Rocco November 8, 2011 at 05:26

@ Rebel

There was a time we didn’t trust electricity…doesn’t mean it’s not real, you just don’t understand it.

I’ve been doing this for a while. I don’t work in vaccines but the evidence is in vaccines work, minimal side effects and very very effective.

Just because some people are lying to us doesn’t mean we hide our head in the sand about things that can really help us.

It doesn’t matter. You can see from the article getting vaccinated is the new….I have a condom in my pocket for boys….yeah!

We should be able to collectively get our head out of our butts to stop a easily stopped carcinogenic virus for which we have an effective vaccine.

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bobsutan November 8, 2011 at 05:28

It looks like I’m starting a non-profit for the purpose of providing paternity tests for those that cannot afford it. If anyone is interested in helping out please stop by and post your thoughts:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/m3x8j/paternity_testing_psa/

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Avenger November 8, 2011 at 05:56

It looks like Iím starting a non-profit for the purpose of providing paternity tests for those that cannot afford it

And why is this necessary? If some fmale accuses you of knocking her up and takes you to court to get some money then she has to prove her case. The defendant (the man) doesn’t have to do anything. If she believes she can prove you’re the father and a judge agrees to order a DNA test then the female should pay for it and your time.

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V10 November 8, 2011 at 06:14

“But perhaps something good will come out of this latest tabloid story about Justin Bieber and the woman who claims she caught his sperm ó at least Bieberís underage fans will know a little more about the harsh reality of family law than previous generations of children. Better the boys learn early Ė before itís too late Ė that they can expect no mercy if and when they father children. ”

Considering that the bulk of his fans are girls, I doubt that they’ll learn the RIGHT lesson. Yeater may well become a role model. Hey, she’s famous, she’s getting all kinds of attention, she’s linked to celebrities, she stands to collect millions… What’s not to like and emulate?

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Boxer November 8, 2011 at 06:33

Avenger where do you live?

In the USA, the ideal situations that you describe are not the norm. Women routinely get away with perjury here, social workers help them do it, and judges seldom (if ever) punish them for it.

I’m sure you mean well, but your advice suggesting brothers man up and go to court and trust the system hasn’t worked out very well for many men, past and present.

Regards, Boxer

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Avenger November 8, 2011 at 06:34

Boxer, I know that females believe they can get away with fraud but I was just saying that there are ways to deal with these criminals..
I believe that the topic was cases where social services were going after a man’s money. This could be because the female named him as the father but this must be unlawful because what’s to stop a female from just naming some random guy. If she did get some court order then there would have to be some proof that the defendant was served according to law whether by having it served by someone and submitting an affidavit or in some jurisdictions the court clerk serving it by registered mail with a return receipt. If fraud was involved then it nullifies all court orders.
And as I said, that 2 year period which I guess is under Cal. law as the statute of limitations for these sorts of cases can be tolled. You first file a notice of appeal with the court where the order was entered and under reasons enter fraud on the part of the woman and her lawyer. Then get the case file from the court clerk and write your appeal and brief. You inclide the case file as an exhibit and show that there is no proof of service in it and that you were not aware that there was even a case against you. They will not use the normal statute of limitations but from the time you became aware of the matter. The appeals court will reverse the order and now the female will have to start all over and you’ll be able to defend yourself. If it really isn’t your kid she will lose on the DNA test. Of course you’ll also get a court order to serve on the director of social services to remove your name from their records.

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Avenger November 8, 2011 at 06:52

Boxer, nothing you have said is constructive in any way. So you’re saying just do nothing. OK then, just pay 18 years of child support for a kid who isn’t yours.

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Boxer November 8, 2011 at 07:15

Boxer, nothing you have said is constructive in any way. So youíre saying just do nothing. OK then, just pay 18 years of child support for a kid who isnít yours.

That’s a nice straw-man argument, and funny, coming from the guy who is lambasting the other guy who wants to start a non-profit to help financially disadvantaged men.

I support people like bobsutan. In a perfect world, where everyone could afford competent attorneys and the courts worked as they were originally intended, he’d be the deserving object of your scorn. As it is, men need to network and think outside the box. The system, as it exists, only serves one side of the equation, and that’s why many of us are here on the spearhead.

As for your endless nitpicking, it’s irrelevant. If you’re a masochist who delights in hostile banter, you’ll find yourself comforted by the usual spankards, and I might condescend to amusing myself at your expense when I have more time. That doesn’t have anything to do with the topic at hand, though it is a pastime indulged in by many here on this site, and I’ve given up trying to change it.

Regards, Boxer

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Avenger November 8, 2011 at 07:20

Tom47-you’re right, neither party does anything for men mostly because men don’t make enough noise about things and just take the abuse.
You really need men like Dr Paul because although I have no idea what he would do, if anything, at least he wants to cut government money. And without the money they can’t operate.

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Avenger November 8, 2011 at 07:31

Thatís a nice straw-man argument, and funny, coming from the guy who is lambasting the other guy who wants to start a non-profit to help financially disadvantaged men.

Poor men have no assets. Are you so naive to believe that by sending some guy on the internet $10 that that will guarantee you a lawyer if you need one? You’d be better off buying some legal liability insurance.

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Boxer November 8, 2011 at 07:34

Poor men have no assets. Are you so naive to believe that by sending some guy on the internet $10 that that will guarantee you a lawyer if you need one? Youíd be better off buying some legal liability insurance.

So, who is it that’s telling men to “do nothing” exactly?

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keyster November 8, 2011 at 08:42

@Factory
“Iíll say the Mens Rights Movement hits the mainstream within 12 months. And yeah, Iíll bet a beer on that one.”

I’m not taking you up on that bet.
It might be a year or two or three, but no doubt it’s imminent.
Not just wishful thinking either; the signs are all there.

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ParatrooperJJ November 8, 2011 at 09:10

Actually in this case it work the opposite way. He was 16 when they allegedly had sex, that’s a crime in CA. She would be convicted, Bieber would get custody, and she would have to pay child support to him.

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van Rooinek November 8, 2011 at 09:11

We really do this shit to ourselves sometimes.

…we really do often screw ourselves over by not keeping the dick in the pants, when it oughta stay there. But Bieber was apparently 16..

Maybe Bieber DID keep it in his pants. There is, as yet, not the slightest shred of evidence to suggest that the encounter ever occurred at all!!!!!

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Firepower November 8, 2011 at 09:28

coxer

I agree wholeheartedly. I think Price oughta ban me, Firepower and Keyster permanently.

That’s a pretty good false flag/sabotage strategy: create a new combative sockpuppet character, troll a site – then get a two-for-one ban just like you did on IMF.

Well, ferdie may have been too stupid to figure out your scheme, but he’s only a kid.

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Malcolm James November 8, 2011 at 09:30

Assuming that Bieber has never had sex with this woman and therefore cannot be the father, there must be some man out there who realises that he DID have sex with her at around the important date and may be the father. If he had wanted to be a father he would have come forward, so very possibly the true father doesn’t want to know.

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Factory November 8, 2011 at 09:50

@keyster.

12 months baby. 12 months and we’ll have mainstream exposure regularly.

Of course, it is only a beer, but ask Paul about my beer bets….I’m Canadian, and we take that beer shit seriously. :)

Of course, you probably already knew that..

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Anti Idiocy November 8, 2011 at 11:12

@ Rocco: “Iíve been doing this for a while. I donít work in vaccines but the evidence is in vaccines work, minimal side effects and very very effective.”

Ever since I was a child, I got the flu annually and often had a relapse. I’d be sick for weeks with a high temperature, muscle aches, the works. I’ve had pneumonia twice and bronchitis that became so severe it nearly killed me; every one of those were complications from the flu. Then, about 15 years ago, I started getting flu shots. Since then, I’ve gotten the flu only once, and that year I got it early in the season literally a few days before my scheduled vaccine appointment.

Rebel did write, “Think twice before you get yourself shot.” No harm in that. I’ve thought about it many times, and, especially since I’m in two high risk categories (history of complications from the flu and age), I’ll keep getting shot.

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universe November 8, 2011 at 11:52

Avenger November 8, 2011 at 07:20
Tom47-youíre right, neither party does anything for men mostly because men donít make enough noise about things and just take the abuse.

– Nailed it on-center.
Hopefully men start working together before the next occuring world war.

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TFH November 8, 2011 at 12:49

I am more and more coming to the conclusion that full Democracy rather quickly destroys the institution of marriage.

Monogamous Marriage existed in many different cultures for centuries, following a formula that had restrictions on both men and women, but was an equitable deal for both.

However, as soon as women get the right to vote, they immediately start to dismantle the marital contract in order to have women receive the benefits without any obligations on the part of women.

Draw a chart with two axes Ė how long a society has allowed women the right to vote, and how long that society has been prosperous enough to meet basic human needs.

In the upper right corner of the chart will reside countries like the US, UK, Canada, Sweden, etc.
Guess which countries have the worst laws pertaining to marriage, and in which the institution is in the worst condition? It is amazing that it took only 90 years of women voting to destroy an institution that worked for centuries prior.

Countries like India, Germany, Japan, Spain, etc. will be high on one axis, but not the other. Hence, they have some elements of misandry, but not to the US/UK/Canada degree. Japan, for example, has very few out-of-wedlock births.

Men vote in a way that benefits all people, whereas women vote in a way that benefits only women (in the long run, this harms women, as women donít understand cause and effect very well). Thus, the natural progression of any democracy is to eventually devolve into a feminist police state.

Conservatives think they are both pro-Democracy and pro-marriage. They donít realize that the two cannot coexist for more than a few decades, as allowing women to vote dismantles the institution of marriage in mere decades.

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Rumour November 8, 2011 at 13:01

@ W.F. Price “Does anyone really believe that women will not abuse the law as it stands today?”

Where there is incentive to do wrong … wrong is often done.

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Szebran November 8, 2011 at 13:39

As I remember the Mary Kay Letourneau story, she actually threatened violence against Vili Fualaau for looking at girls his own age. I cant help wonder if she simply dominated him like a puppet.

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Matt K November 8, 2011 at 13:47

“I am more and more coming to the conclusion that full Democracy rather quickly destroys the institution of marriage.” …and liberty, TFH.

“Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess [sic] out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”

Author unknown per…
http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html

Majority being a disproportionate number of women and members of the divorce and child abuse industries, and the largesse being appropriated before it even gets to the public treasury.

The next question, of course, if that’s correct, is what to do about it. Emigration would seem to be the solution for an individual, but of course each person arriving at–and acting upon–that conclusion merely hastens the demise, reducing the proportion of net contributors in society and thereby both tipping the balance of the remaining voting power ever further in favor of the extremists and increasing the load on those net contributors who remain, so inducing yet more to leave. In short, democracy is inherently unstable. The Founding Fathers knew that of course, which is why America is a Constitutional Republic ad not a democracy.

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TFH November 8, 2011 at 14:20

Matt K,

Yes, exactly.

Men will leave to find a better life in countries that are either newer democracies or non-democracies, and eventually women will follow voluntarily. A golden age of a few decades will be enjoyed, until that new society also accumulates the stresses of a mature democracy. The cycle repeats.

One thing to look at is how skilled immigration to the US is actually dropping quickly. Skilled immigrants have long been the fodder to keep the US running, and have been taken for granted. Now, they are less and less interested in coming here, hastening the death spiral.

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Boxer November 8, 2011 at 15:03

Firepower: How like a woman you are, blaming others for the fact that Ferd spanked your sorry ass off that blog.

It really burns your piss that you were banned from all these different blogs, doesn’t it?

Good.

Regards, Boxer

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W.F. Price November 8, 2011 at 15:55

OK, let’s give it a rest, guys. Endless flame wars are unbecoming.

Anonymous November 8, 2011 at 16:03

@ TFH “Men will leave to find a better life in countries that are either newer democracies or non-democracies…”

Take a look at this and note, “America Wave’s Bob Adams (a Business Insider contributor) found that single people, political conservatives and men were more likely to be in this group.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/more-americans-moving-abroad-america-wave-2011-11

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Anti Idiocy November 8, 2011 at 16:09

I tried to post this and it seems to have disappeared. Sorry if this is a double post.

@TFH “Men will leave to find a better life in countries that are either newer democracies or non-democracies…”

Take a look at this and note “America Wave’s Bob Adams (a Business Insider contributor) found that single people, political conservatives and men were more likely to be in this group.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/more-americans-moving-abroad-america-wave-2011-11

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Eric November 8, 2011 at 19:06

The mere fact that women swoon over limp-wristed losers like Justin Bieber speaks volumes in and of itself. In the first place, he doesn’t look virile enough to father children.

But he’s a specimen of what appeals to the Amerobitch; either boy-toys like Bieber or thuggish punks. Both types need a ‘strong woman’ or they couldn’t survive. And that fact is why such males really appeal to women: women, educated under feminism, MUST feel superior to a man at all times. They can’t tolerate real men for the same reason they pursue this kind of male dreck—it’s a self-serving ego issue and nothing more.

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Firepower November 9, 2011 at 08:36

coxer

blaming others for the fact that Ferd spanked your sorry ass off that blog. It really burns your piss that you were banned

Nope. It’s actually kind of sad:
Since that time, all the intelligent posters/writers fled IMF for here, when they saw how bravely ferdie ran and hid behind a sockpuppet

…on his own blog.

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Gilgamesh November 13, 2011 at 17:31

Eric, you may have a point, but I think most thugs are a step above women. But only because women are one step above animals.

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skadhi_the_raverner November 14, 2011 at 10:46

They’re both teenagers having sex for gods sake, of course no one corrupted a minor. But I do expect that the hope of snaring him for child support a reason this girl had unprotected sex with a pop star in the first place lol. That’s if she isn’t just after some limelight for herself.

But *if* they did have sex, he was old enough to know that unsafe sex creates kids, but he didn’t abstain from sex or use a condom to protect his right *not* to have a kid.

If the girl lied to him about being on the pill then no one can ever know that for sure, unless someone taped what they were saying in the room, but its more likely he just didn’t care about the consequences, or he’d surely have used a condom anyway to prevent the risk of catching a disease from some casual sexual encounter. And besides, the pill fails sometimes anyway, both parents have consented to the risks of sex and its not the kids fault.

That’s why the kid’s welfare must always comes first, not either the so-called ‘rights’ of either men or women once a pregnancy is involved. So if he really is the father, then he should at least support his offspring… like a man.

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happy one November 15, 2011 at 14:43

Anonymous November 8, 2011 at 16:03

Take a look at this and note, ďAmerica Waveís Bob Adams (a Business Insider contributor) found that single people, political conservatives and men were more likely to be in this group.Ē

http://www.businessinsider.com/more-americans-moving-abroad-america-wave-2011-11

While expating is a nice fantasy, a more realistic prospect may exist in this article by Gary North, “Moving How Far Out?” in which he makes the point that America is a bug country and it may make more sense to simply relocate within its borders in a better place. Maybe somewhere with local laws that are more friendly?

See it here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north936.html

Be sure to read the companion article listed at the end!

(Yes I am aware that it is a bit old, but nevertheless still insightful–maybe even more so now that even more of the bottom has fallen out since it was first written?)

–happy one

PS: Not sure if HTML code is to be used for quoting or bbcode, so am guessing and hoping for the best…

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skadhi_the_raverner November 20, 2011 at 19:31

Its funny I get one neg for my last post, when all I was doing is pointing out that, as birth control isn’t 100% effective, sex implies *consenting to risk*, and that the child comes first and *neither* parent who just wanted a cheap shag. Just as a woman doesn’t have a right to ‘get rid of it’, or to mistreat a kid she didn’t plan, so Bieber doesn’t have the right *not* to pay if he really did have sex which left consequences. (I don’t care whether or not it was statutory rape she never forced him did she?)

Nothing I’ve said is contrary to real conservatism – abstinence outside of a stable relationship, and responsibility. And it makes me wonder who negged it lol.

All I’m saying is *if* Bieber is possibly the dad he should have the DNA test, and if he really is, then he should do something to support the child.

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