How the Female Sentencing Discount Works

by Elusive Wapiti on October 23, 2011

Is starts just like this…with loaded, presumptive language that casts females as weak victims-in-waiting and men as perps:

A cashier at a McDonald’s on West Fourth Street in Manhattan was captured on video savagely beating two female customers with a metal rod on Oct. 13, 2011.

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – A McDonald’s cashier jailed for beating two irate customers with a metal rod says he was only trying to defend himself.

Rayon McIntosh was arrested Oct. 13 after a wild fight inside a McDonald’s in the Greenwich Village neighborhood in Manhattan. Video recorded by a customer showed two furious women vaulting a counter to attack McIntosh after some sort of dispute. McIntosh grabbed a metal bar and fought back with savage force, continuing to deliver crushing blows even after the women were incapacitated on the floor. McIntosh, 31, was arrested and charged with two counts of felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon while the two women were charged with menacing,
disorderly conduct and trespassing.

Note the tone and diction of the headline and first line of the story. “Cashier who beat customers claims self defense” and “Cashier…savagely beat…two female customers with a metal rod”. If you didn’t read any further you might conclude that this fellow started whaling on two (don’t forget female…ergo the beat-down was extra-special bad) customers for no reason whatsoever, and is cravenly using the legal refuge of the violent
scoundrel: the claim of self-defense.

Only those who bother to read further discover that these two female customers initiated the entire episode by vaulting over the counter and attacking a McDonald’s cashier, after which he proceeded to strike them with a metal rod. Even then the loaded language continued: “grabbed a metal bar and fought back with savage force”, “deliver crushing blows”, etc.

Now perhaps I’m reading into this a little bit, but it sure seems as though the article, the way it is worded, goes out of its way to paint the cashier as the aggressor and the two women as victims, despite their aggressive and threatening behavior (key mitigating facts we do not discover until later).

Now I’ll grant you that one’s right to self-defense stops as soon as your assailants lack the ability to continue the attack, and this fellow apparently, allegedly, kept whacking away after his two attackers fell to the ground, but as a commenter to the article pointed out, that legal precept has been shown to be a bit flexible as there are many cases where police officers continue to use force after the subject is down *cough* Rodney King *cough*, are not effectively resisting, and are let off the hook. Perhaps his actions–allegedly continuing to swing away–after they allegedly fell to the floor and posed no further threat, explains the disparity in charges.

As for me, despite this fellow’s prior criminal record which at this moment appears to have no bearing on the present case, these two females had it coming to them. If more hood rats of either sex had their offers of violence matched with equal and/or greater violence, I daresay there would be less of it, for they would suffer the consequences of their breaches of the peace.

It is also interesting to consider how the pass our society grants to female violence only leads them inexorably to greater violence…and this time their violence was met with equal violence by a male mentally and physically prepared to dispense it.

Last, I hope this case goes to a jury trial. For if the comments to this article are representative of the attitude of McIntosh’s peers, he’ll walk.


About the author: EW is a well-trained monkey charged with operating heavier-than-air machinery. His interests outside of being an opinionated rabble-rouser are hunting, working out, motorcycling, spending time with his family, and flying. He is a father to three, a husband to one, and is a sometime contributor here at Spearhead. More of his intolerable drivel is available at the blog The Elusive Wapiti.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 09:12

Elusive Wapiti

If* more hood rats of either sex had their offers of violence matched with equal and/or greater violence, I daresay there would be less of it…

“If?”

Whenever a cop tackles a fleeing 6-time convicted felon too “roughly” there’s punishment alright – for the cop. Howls of “police brutality!” rise up from the Limousine Liberals’ TV rooms ensconced miles away in safety in the ‘burbs – and them “Innaciddy” folk, too.

No, you’ll find no Brash Justice given out in retribution by an America too timid to even call the cops on their neighbor’s barking dog.

What you DO get, however – will be more stories…like this one.

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Elusive Wapiti October 23, 2011 at 09:21

Firepower – I had other citizens in mind when I wrote this…not police. When it is other citizens stomping out BS like this, I suspect it will tail off quickly.

What needed to happen in this situation is, rather than the fellow in question being charged, would be the fellow in question being feted.

Instead, the authorities came down hard on this guy for doing their job. Sad. And so counterproductive…because the citizens are watching to see if the right of self-defense will be honored, or if that right will be another casualty of left-wing “rights stripping”.

AfOR October 23, 2011 at 09:33
Rocco October 23, 2011 at 09:46

If you so much as disagree with a female stranger for any reason you are risking your freedom, the police know this very well as Fireposer so accuratly and effectively stated.

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TDOM October 23, 2011 at 09:47

Very sensible article EW. When I wrote about this at my blog the news anchor on the video actually referred to the cashier as the “attacker” stating that he had attacked the two women. The video was shown as part of that same report and clearly shows that the reporter misrepresented what actually happened. the women attacked him. The result in this case mirrors what social science research has told us about domestic violence (this was not DV), the one who initiates the violence is the most likely one to suffer injury. This is because initial force is often met with greater force. if women understood that dynamic, it might reduce the amount of violence they commit. But the DV industry suppreses that information or denies it altogether, and that places women at greater risk. This, of course, promotes DV which keeps the money flowing.

TDOM

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Seamus The Classicst October 23, 2011 at 09:49

The right to defend oneself is a basic human right. However most people who don’t understand Western Jurisprudence, think that it must solely be a hidden a reserved thing (i.e. only being able to strike when being struck.) However everyman has the right to not be menaced and assaulted, and giving fair warning is part of that.

In this case, he may have seemed to have overreacted, IN HIND SIGHT! At the time he did not know if they were jumping over the counter to draw a hidden knife, and he had two attacking him from two different directs (which to an informed observer indicates at least prior experience in violent assault on the female’s part.) Was it overreactions, perhaps, but if had gotten a knife in the kidney would this be national news?

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 09:49

@Elusive Wapiti

There’ll be no “citizens stomping out BS like this” for quite a long time. That’s why males are too afraid to fight back against blackflashmobs or even tiny little females.

Laws are enforced NOT to protect citizens, but the desires of The State.

Last, I hope this case goes to a jury trial. For if the comments to this article are representative of the attitude of McIntosh’s peers, he’ll walk.

If this case does go to trial, by then, everyone will have forgotten it.

The present day yearning for that sweet, quick justice (and its satisfaction) will die like all others before it – when replaced by fresh daily injustices too numerous to remember.

And on it goes
until that ugly day
when the clock strikes

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 09:55

sorry: accident: Firepower was what I meant to type.

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 09:56

Firepoodle:

Please quit derailing the thread by making it a race issue.

Your misandric hatred for non-white men is off topic here.

Thanks, Boxer

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Elusive Wapiti October 23, 2011 at 09:59

@ TDOM, Thanks for your comment.

“The result in this case mirrors what social science research has told us about domestic violence (this was not DV), the one who initiates the violence is the most likely one to suffer injury. “

This is absolutely true. Strauss found this in his landmark studies on IPV, in that women initiate DV more than men, and due to the escalative nature of violence, were very likely to end up badly injured when the bigger, stronger man they were battering struck back.

And good point about the DV industry–and it is a profitable rent-seeking industry, no doubt about that–suppressing data such as this, so as to keep DV culture going and their coffers fat.

Boxer October 23, 2011 at 10:03

the DV industry suppreses that information or denies it altogether, and that places women at greater risk. This, of course, promotes DV which keeps the money flowing.

I remember the very day when I put this together (with the help of someone like you).

Following those government dollars (borrowed from China) explains everything.

McIntosh (the man who only wanted to work and mind his own business, and who was attacked by two screeching whores) has a defense fund. I contributed a couple of bucks through western union last week. Google it and help him out if you’re so inclined… nobody else will.

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Alcuin October 23, 2011 at 10:09

A male McDonald’s employee was verbally harassed for doing his job of examining the notes given him by 2 unruly female customers. The vicious women escalated the situation, one slapping him violently. One of the women then jumped over the counter, the other going through the side door, clearly looking to attack and hurt the man. The man, fearing for his safety, began to defend himself and the restaurant, heroically, as the women kept charging at him. He fended off their brutal attacks, clearly instructing the violent females to cease their unwarranted attacks.

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Paul murray October 23, 2011 at 10:13

“and this fellow apparently, allegedly, kept whacking away after his two attackers fell to the ground”

Not what happened. Watch the video. When the atrackers were on the ground, he stopped. And then started again. Why? Don’t know – they were out of camera shot. But I’ll bet anything that one of them started fishing in her purse for something.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 10:22

Coxer

McIntosh (the man who only wanted to work and mind his own business, and who was attacked by two screeching whores)

Sorry pedro, this isn’t a simplistic case of totality where one is right, the others wrong – no matter how easy you need it to be to comprehend it.

Using a metal bar is considered a weapon of deadly force when so armed, against unarmed attackers.

If the bitches invade your home – different story. You don’t have to retreat.

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sharp October 23, 2011 at 10:25

In a reasonable world the article would have been written the way Alcuin said it, but instead we’re surrounded by fools and conformists who take comfort in being spoon-fed lies, and the rest of us have to suffer with this intelligence insulting mainstream media.

I don’t read it. I let them use their resources to do the reporting, then I go on line to read a weeding of the “facts” and a more accurate and honest analysis, such as what Elusive Wapiti has done. Keeps me sane.

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American October 23, 2011 at 10:32

The American academic Gender-Raunch community stand fully behind these two crack whores right to jump behind the McDonalds counter and attack the cashier.
“Gender-Raunch journalism” in main stream American media, spin this attempted robbery by two violent beast women, and a man defending the store, as violence against women.
Me say “Gender-Raunch journalism” dominates main stream American media.

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sharp October 23, 2011 at 10:33

This is less about who was 100% right and 100% wrong, that can be nit-picked. It’s about how the media frames the story to make the man the savage attacker and the women poor fragile victims, the fact that he was initially defending himself is treated as an oh-by-the-way.

It’s the women-as-victims narrative that gives comfort to the weak-minded and plays to the default societal ideology of feminism.

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American October 23, 2011 at 10:38

With the internet, “Gender-Raunch journalism” will be called on the carpet, as it is right now.

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sharp October 23, 2011 at 10:45

Of course this doesn’t pass the Double Standard test. If the sexes were reversed the retaliating women defending themselves would be celebrated as “empowered women fighting back!” or some other nonsense. The charges against them would probably be less than what the man has received. Basically everything would be reversed. This is what’s known as “equality” in “progressive” America.

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Elusive Wapiti October 23, 2011 at 11:02

@ Paul,

You are correct and my words were imprecise. A re-examination of the video shows a couple of the blows being aimed a couple of feet above floor level. Then a pause, and then blows that appear to land at ground level.

The bottom line is that all that action was behind the level of the counter, so we don’t know what was going on. Putting myself in his shoes encourages me to give the fellow the benefit of the doubt right now.

keyster October 23, 2011 at 11:17

If a man instigates a violent response from another man, “he had it coming”.

If a woman instigates a violent response from a man, he should have better controlled his emotions and galantly taken the abuse, you know “like a man”.

We have a society that wants to make it illegal for men to exploit their physical advantage to better control women, while allowing women to use any means possible to provoke a reaction. We’re biased against men because of their propensity to “do more damage”, which justifies allowing women to do whatever they want…because they’re weaker and incompetent at fighting (although we won’t admit this).

This young man at McDonalds, just trying to make it, was never conditioned socially (or through our education system) to treat a threat any differently just because it was coming from a woman or women. He had no “feminist prism” or filter to view it through. He was not about to suffer the chivalric mangina’s fool. He was all about equality of the sexes. He is a truly “organic” feminist!

It doesn’t matter who instigated the fight, if an “aggressive, violent and angry man” ends up winning (or controlling hysterical women through physical means), he’ll go down for it. He should have known better; that women aren’t held accountable for violence against men. When men do it to women it’s “a HORRIFIC crime”. When women do it to men, “he probably did something to upset her and therefore deserved it”.

Women have been given carte blanche to ridicule and abuse men without threat of any inkind physical response, and they know it and they use it. The young McDonald’s employee was heroically “breaking the paradigm”, created by our feminist society and chivalric legal system. Either that or he was simply not gonna let himself be “dissed by a coupla nasty lil hoes”.

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Elusive Wapiti October 23, 2011 at 11:25

“This young man at McDonalds, just trying to make it, was never conditioned socially (or through our education system) to treat a threat any differently just because it was coming from a woman or women. He was all about equality of the sexes.”

Interesting point, Keyster. McIntire should be celebrated by feminists for not recognizing his assailants as female and therefore soft-pedaling his reaction to their attack.

Fat chance of that happening, I know, but his reaction was the most egalitarian, equalitarian one.

Firepower October 23, 2011 at 11:44

Elusive Wapiti

The bottom line is that all that action was behind the level of the counter, so we don’t know what was going on.

That is not the type of irrefutable evidence worthy of attaching an MRM name to.

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Nico October 23, 2011 at 11:45

As Belfort Bax noted, feminists want to have it both ways. When it suits them, they want to be “equal”. But in other circumstances, they like the benefits of chivalry (especially in a court where they will be seen as helpless manipulated creatures).

But the man has too short a fuse and seriously lacks self-control. I am not surprised he was convicted for murder. He is a danger to other men too.

IMO both sides are to be blamed.

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Jaego Scorzne October 23, 2011 at 11:56

There IS a parallel: Blacks abuse Whites because they know they can get away with it. The State will come down like a ton of bricks on any White effectively defends himself against them.

One of the few people to get arrested during the L.A riots was a White who threw a brick at Blacks attacking another White. The Blacks who brutalized Reginald Denny were given a slap on the wrist. Most of them have been in and out of the system ever since. One of them is now a murderer.

Once you awaken from any system of Totalitarian Conditioning, it becomes easier to recognize and awaken from any other such system. The Blacks as eternally righteous victims is such a system, complete with a system of Goverment rewards and a whole private industry. And White Women and Blacks have united in the past against White Men – though that is begining to fray. It can only fray more in the years to come as resources dwindle and there is no more White Middle Class Men to loot. When you are at the bottom, there sky’s the limit – if you have intrinsic quality. All things move in our favor. Wind and Weather are our allies now. Just lay low and watch them fall. Just be prepared to pick up the pieces when the women and minorities give up and begin to squeal in terror.

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Bob Smith October 23, 2011 at 12:04

How is vaulting over a counter to attack somebody “menacing” and not “felony assault”? The charges against the women could all be misdemeanors, while he gets all felonies. It looks to me like the DA was looking to get the women off and was hamstrung by the video, so minimum charges were brought against the women.

I can’t help but wonder what a more honest charging policy would do to the “male violence” numbers feminists crow about all the time. Crime statistics must be terribly contaminated by the sexist rules DAs use to decide what charges to bring (if they bring charges at all).

Note the charge stacking too. Defending yourself with a bar is “criminal possession of a weapon”? What is it with liberal areas and their fetish for victim disarmament?

If there was no video, it wouldn’t have surprised me to see the women not get charged at all, like the women in the private investigator story a few days ago.

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keyster October 23, 2011 at 12:21

On the STEM front, women are making strides!
You go GRRLS….WOOOOOEEeeeeeee!

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Women-making-slow-sure-strides-in-science-math-2231189.php

Because if we say it enough it might actually come true one day…
…the day the Kardashians say “science and math is hot!” in a Cosmo feature article, or Oprah has a show about Physics Theory on her network. “Don’t marry and have a baby girl friend, study science and math and prove we’re smarter than the guys! WOOOEEEeeeee!”

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American October 23, 2011 at 12:23

The protocol perversions and semantics games that American law enforcement are now engaged in, come to you Via “Gender-Raunch activism”, mixed in with federal “pork to pervert” dollars.
The rest of the world is slowly understanding what happens to a society that lets their law enforcement engage in the “Manufactured statistics business”, using federal “Pork to Pervert” dollars.
The Gender Raunch community have become cultural super-powers because American law enforcement are usinf protocol perversions and semantics games to manufacture their empowerment rhetoric for them.

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namae nanka October 23, 2011 at 12:24
Robert October 23, 2011 at 12:36

The two female customers, aside from being “empowered princesses of entitlement (“the customer is always right”), were wrong to get angry when the man questioned the currency they handed him. If it were counterfeit and he accepted without question, he would have to accept responsibility for it and compensate the restaurant accordingly. The way I see it the women attacked the man and he was excercising his right to defend himself. What would any of you do if you were attacked by these or other women?

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Lyn87 October 23, 2011 at 12:37

This story made me sick when it broke a few days ago. My first exposure to it was when I saw the video clip – all of it – not the heavily redacted version that a lot of newscasts showed. The entire video clearly shows a guy doing his job and being set upon by two angry, drunk, and possible armed, ghetto-trash hoochie-mommas. They could have avoided a beat-down by simply not initiating an unprovoked assault. But one slapped him and vaulted the counter while her companion started going around the side to assist her in continuing the assault. At that point they still could have avoided a beat-down by simply not continuing their unprovoked assault.

He had no way of knowing if they were armed, but it was reasonable to assume they were given their over-the-top aggressiveness. He was legitimately in fear of great harm. Cops routinely get away with harming people with far less provocation than Ray McIntosh faced.

So now our man is facing two opponents, who have wildly and unexpectedly escalated a routine transaction into a two-on-one assault with the real possibility of deadly consequences. He gave ground and retreated to the back of the store to arm himself with something solid. The assailants STILL could have avoided a beat-down by simply not continuing to assault a retreating man who had done nothing to them. But they wanted to keep attacking him even then, so a beat-down became inevitable at that point, as they were drunk women assaulting a fit and sober man who was obviously not schooled in the “Never hit a woman… ever” mantra. So the victim, faced with two assailants in the close confines behind the counter, used his make-shift weapon to neutralize the threat with a reasonable amount of force given the circumstances. Obviously he did not use excessive force because their injuries are pretty slight under the circumstances, and they kept coming at him even after he dropped them to the floor.

How do we know they kept coming at him after they were on the floor? Simple. He stopped hitting them when they dropped from view behind the counter and he told them to stay down…

… Pause…

He swings again and repeats his command that they stay down…

… Pause again…

Then he swings again and tells them to stay down again, and presumably that time they figured out that continuing their assault was just going to result in more pain for them.

To recap: the assailants had at least five chances to prevent or mitigate what happened to them:

1) Not start the assault in the first place.
2) Not go behind the counter to continue the assault.
3) Not follow him as he retreated from the counter area to go to the back of the store.
4) Not attempt to get up and continue the assault after the first time he had to knock them down.
5) Not attempt to get up and continue the assault after the second time he had to knock them down.

And HE is the one they arrested on felony charges, while the assailants get minor charges? And most news reports make HIM out to be the assailant?

I thought feminists are always spouting off about how it’s always wrong to “blame the victim.”

Un-Freaking-Believable.

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American October 23, 2011 at 12:49

American law enforcement get to “Pork Bloat” their budgets by fostering and enabling womens violence.
By using the catch and release program for violent women, American law enforcement understand that these violent women they release will go on to breed more and more overall violence into society.
Folks don’t understand the full implications of the now institutionalized perversions that have rooted into American law enforcement. All for the federal pork bloating dollar.

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Lyn87 October 23, 2011 at 12:51

Firepower October 23, 2011 at 11:44

Elusive Wapiti

The bottom line is that all that action was behind the level of the counter, so we don’t know what was going on.

That is not the type of irrefutable evidence worthy of attaching an MRM name to.

EP is correct and you are not, Firepower. This has become a criminal matter, which is what the article is about. In criminal law if you cannot know that what he did was wrong beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant is rightly judged not guilty. Considering that the main action is outside of the camera’s view, we don’t know what was going on is very pertinent.

Nico October 23, 2011 at 11:45

But the man has too short a fuse and seriously lacks self-control. I am not surprised he was convicted for murder. He is a danger to other men too.

First, he was not convicted of murder. He was convicted of some sort of wrongful death, which is a lesser crime. As for his alleged lack of self control, what gives you that idea? I saw nothing in the video that would lead me to assume he did anything but what was required to stop himself from being assaulted by two opponents until they ceased their attempts to injure him. What would you have done differently if two people came at you and tried to get up even after you knocked them down and told them to stay down?

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Ryu October 23, 2011 at 13:00

The issue of race has been introduced by EW’s implication that Rodney King was innocent, and by not mentioning that the man, the women, and all the people there were black.

Here’s Rodney King, high as a kite, leading police on a 90 mph chase down LA’s freeways. Resists arrest! And then it’s a police brutality issue.

I would challenge anyone to find a story of a white man at work who beats two women half to death. No – this crime has black written all over it. The savagery of the man, the gall of the women, the lack of manners, stinks of the black underclass.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 13:14

Lyn87
EP is correct and you are not, Firepower.

If you think you can use a weapon against unarmed aggressors – I’m glad I don’t hang around you. If you want to latch onto a cause where unseen events happen “behind the level of the counter, so we don’t know what was going on”

Feel free.

Parolees sign a condition of their release that prohibit them using weapons of any sort. Being Convictedman ™, Guardian and Defender of McDonald’s just doesn’t cut it.

Law usually states:

if after having taken such proper precautions, a party should be assailed, he may undoubtedly repel force by force, but in most instances cannot, under the pretext that he has been attacked, use force enough to kill the assailant or hurt him after he has secured himself from danger

Seems to me, this case is prime bait to lure out all the kooky wannabe cops here.

Oh, and a police officer also can’t use a steel bar to beat people just to make them “stay down.”

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 13:25

Yea police use aluminum or carbon composite bars to make people stay down.

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Rebel October 23, 2011 at 13:25

@Lyn87

“Then he swings again and tells them to stay down again, and presumably that time they figured out that continuing their assault was just going to result in more pain for them.”

In the end, he was lucky to have been dealing with two particularly intelligent assailants..who understood the outcome.

lol!

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DG October 23, 2011 at 13:29

Even on the Huffington Post, running the inflammatory headline, the comments are almost uniformly in favor of Rayon McIntosh. In case one wonders if this is a “bombing” by johnny come latelies, most of the commenters agreeing have badges/fan indications indicating they’ve been on the board and a part of the Huffpo community a while.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 13:30

Ryu

The issue of race has been introduced by EW’s implication that Rodney King was innocent, and by not mentioning that the man, the women, and all the people there were black.

I would challenge anyone to find a story of a white man at work who beats two women half to death.

True, by not mentioning a pertinent fact that all parties involved were engaged in the typical “hood juztizz” outburst, we fail to grasp one salient fact: both parties are animals who got what they deserved – who cares what happens to any of them. I don’t. I’m watching football.

I’m just shocked – shocked – there wasn’t one of our usual, typical local SWPL Dudley DoRight DoGooders to “step in” and save them from themselves. Stop the Violence! ™ *sniff*

Then, we could read about him getting his brains bashed in. He, too would’ve gotten his just desserts. Never get between rats fighting over a piece of moldy cheese. The cheese ain’t worth it. Nor are, the rats.

BUT – let this have been a white male bashing on two ghetto sistas, and we’d see our little rah-rah section here quickly deem this event some sort of concocted “racial” issue.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 13:38

Migu

Yea police use aluminum or carbon composite bars to make people stay down.

I thought were you’re from, they use rattan canes.

Care to show any USA cities whose police haven’t been neutered and sensitized by outlawing such tools?

But, maybe in the orient, where it’s ok to run over protesters with tanks, your cops can still beat on compliant arrestees.

You, were behaving so nicely, too.

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Nico October 23, 2011 at 13:55

OT: Raging bull doesn’t give a shit about chivalry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjXhOj-GFs

This vid illustrates how women want to eschew all responsibility for the stupid decisions they take.

A woman wanted to “participate in a rodeo” along with men. “A girl’s dream”. She decided to play “poker bull”

Whoever stays seated the longest wins the pot.

“it never crossed my mind at that time that there would be any danger involved, especially if they asked people to volunteer from the audience”

Just when she finishes that sentence, you see the infuriated bull entering the ring like crazy. Hilarious moment. (0:46)

This woman clearly wants to live among men who take huge risks, while remaining in the cocoon women are used to live in.

Had she been hurt, she would have sued those who organized the rodeo.

A man was seriously hurt trying to protect her.

If you want to protect women, you should remind them that they are women, not men.

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Lyn87 October 23, 2011 at 13:56

Firepower October 23, 2011 at 13:14

You’re still wrong, of course. Mr. McIntosh was not carrying a weapon: he found himself suddenly and unexpectedly under violent attack by two assailants in close quarters and used whatever he could grab first to improve his odds. Also, you have no idea whether the two assailants were armed – and he certainly had no way if knowing in the mere seconds between the initiation of the assault and his defensive response after they pursued him as he retreated. It’s not like he was carrying a bazooka in his pocket – he grabbed the first object within reach as his assailants pursued him. The weapon charge is completely bogus, as is your presumption that he should have known they were not armed.

As for you being glad you don’t hang with me – trust me, I’m glad too. But the fact is that I generally carry a weapon or two all the time, so you would actually be safer with me around if something bad happened.

As for your bit about “after he has secured himself from danger” – it is equally bogus. His first swing was when they were in the process of hitting him in the head, at which point they went down. He clearly paused then and told them to stay down, and then he swung again, at which point he told them to stay down again. Then there was another pause before he swung the final time, which indicates at least the strong possibility that the assailants were either trying to get up or possibly reaching for weapons.

And Migu is right, “Yea police use aluminum or carbon composite bars to make people stay down.”

If you have never worked in a “use of force” line of work like I have you probably have no idea how fast things can go from Condition White to Condition Black. The entire incident lasted mere seconds, and you seem to want to throw the key away on a man for the crime of defending himself against two screeching, drunk, harpies intent on doing him bodily harm.

This is less a case of “Seems to me, this case is prime bait to lure out all the kooky wannabe cops here” and more a case of a keyboard lawyer-wannabe second-guessing the second-by-second reaction of a guy who was being attacked and flanked by multiple female assailants.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 10:22
Coxer

McIntosh (the man who only wanted to work and mind his own business, and who was attacked by two screeching whores)

Sorry pedro, this isn’t a simplistic case of totality where one is right, the others wrong – no matter how easy you need it to be to comprehend it.

Using a metal bar is considered a weapon of deadly force when so armed, against unarmed attackers.

If the bitches invade your home – different story. You don’t have to retreat

“The bitches” are under the “legal” protaction od VAWA.

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JeremiahMRA October 23, 2011 at 14:47

Until the women were actually incapacitated, they were still a threat. They weren’t unconscious and were likely trying to get back up. Still self-defense.

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JeremiahMRA October 23, 2011 at 14:50

Look at the comments at the article: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/22/nyc-cashier-who-beat-customers-claims-self-defense/

A lot of people appear to support the guy despite the media’s bias.

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Lyn87 October 23, 2011 at 14:57

@ Firepower,

At the risk of violating my personal reluctance to argue with random people on the internet, I’ll respond to you this once.

1) No, I’m not a chick – are you?

2) He used a normal, non-weapon, object as a weapon because he needed a weapon and didn’t have one. If some corrupt DA thinks that picking up the first object at hand to defend against multiple assailants in close quarters counts as “possession of a weapon” than the law is too broad to be meaningful.

3) I didn’t lose my le job (what does that even mean?). I retired from the military.

You know, yesterday when I saw you getting owned in the forums over and over and over and over I was feeling a little bad for you, because your opponents were mostly writing nonsense too, and you occasionally write something worth reading, but lately you just can’t seem to stop lashing out at all and sundry.

So I have no desire to join your critics from yesterday: I can’t take anyone seriously who constantly addresses other people as my bitchez just because they disagree about something.

This is why the MRM is not a force to be taken seriously, and won’t be for a very long time: infighting.

Everybody thinks they have THE answer. The PUAs, the MGTOW’ers, the guys who want to focus on law, the guys who want to focus on society, etc. Everybody is doing what he thinks is right, but it’s almost all at the tactical level. Few people are working at the operational level besides Father and Families and almost nobody has scored any actual victories at the strategic level since the Eagle Forum derailed the ERA in the 1970′s.

As a result there’s a lot of “You’re a mangina,” and “You’re a White Knight,” floating around the manosphere over every disagreement about tactics. Guess what: feminists doesn’t need to seriously deal with the MRM, because the MRM is no threat to them as long as it’s just a bunch of factions who all want to toss out anyone who’s not ideologically pure enough as they see it.

For example: I’m a married TradCon, and I don’t feel the need to wave my e-peen around to prove I’m against feminism. For me it’s personal: my brother chose unwisely and married a skank and paid the price. But there are plenty of guys here and elsewhere in the MRM that have been OWNED – by the women they chose to be with – who would gladly disparage me for being a TradCon and for my life-choices because I’m living proof that men CAN exercise some mastery over their choices, and I’m not in lockstep with the “all the wimmenz be bitches” meme.

Fine, I say. I Went My Own Way: my way was to marry the best woman of my generation I have ever known, and I did it by trying to be the best man I know. After a quarter century of marriage she is no more likely to run off with the pool boy than she is to wake up tomorrow speaking perfect Mandarin. I wish half the men I have known in my life had half her integrity. Yet if the up/down feature was not turned off now I would be massively downvoted for pointing out the obvious: there are some women with integrity and some men without it.

I know, I know: BURN THE HERETIC!

Whatever. I’m outta’ here.

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 15:33

I think Firepower drank too much firewater.

Not until every man who even upsets a women is immediatly fired and put in jail will women be happy.

Sound like the way they might treat slaves? Well that’s because humans having slaves is very natural and you evo-psych guys and work that one out but having a slave for honey to do her work came before the washing machine….it’s just that now all men are in the slave category.

Some just like to abuse other slaves like Firepower.

But it’s a slavery of our own making because we are reluctant to use our laws to protect ourselves.

I am no longer afraid to file sexual harrassment law suits against places like malls that don’t protect their workers.

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Ted October 23, 2011 at 15:41

keyster October 23, 2011 at 12:21

On the STEM front, women are making strides!
You go GRRLS….WOOOOOEEeeeeeee!

Yech. Three pages of delirious happiness about the girls. Buried in that, without comment, was:

“With two-thirds of all undergraduate degrees and 60 percent of master’s degrees now going to women, many believe it’s only a matter of time before that trend influences the upper echelons of the STEM fields.”

This is irresponsible feminist filth. America, you are doomed.

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Uncle Elmer October 23, 2011 at 16:34

Something I mentioned on another thread, forgive me if someone here observed this.

The video, taken from the customer sitting area, starts rolling before the altercation. It is not a McDonald’s security camera video. Was the person taking the video part of the altercation setup? Does this imply premeditation on the part of the assailants to either pass a counterfeit bill or attack the law-abiding young man who is just trying to do his job?

Hope this guy opts for a trial and follows up with a civil suit. Also curious to see how far McDonald’s Corporation goes to support this man and defend their employees from attack, both physical and legal.

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criolle johnny October 23, 2011 at 16:39

Have ANY of you writers ever worked in a commercial kitchen?
Do you have any idea how many things can be used as weapons in a commercial kitchen?
The number of items that can be swung, poked, thrown or used to block are staggering. Hot grease, knives, metal pans, frozen meat are all weapons in the hands of two savage women who think they have been “disrespected”.
Put them down.
Keep them down.
Never hit a lady, knock a bitch out.

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greyghost October 23, 2011 at 17:01

That is not the type of irrefutable evidence worthy of attaching an MRM name to.

As soon as that first women hit the guy and then both of them jumped the counter to go after him he is the victim period.WTF Firepower. This was a stranger attack and it is a story because of the pussy pass that you and the blue pill brain washing media is pushing on this guy and every one else. BTW MRA’s are not the only ones calling on the bullshit, it is mainsteam http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/shock-video-savage-attack-at-manhattan-mcdonalds/ fuck the story it is the usual,check out the comments.

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Avenger October 23, 2011 at 20:11

There’s something you should notice about all of these media articles where comments are permitted. The comments by the readers are completely opposite from the tone of the article with almost everyone supporting the guy. The media is completely out of sync with the attitudes of the general public.
And btw, aside from the fact that these females may have had a weapon and may have been intending to rob the place, there are plenty of other ways they could have harmed the guy and the customers. Like grabbing that boiling oil ( a favourite ghetto weapon with females) and throwing it at the guy and any nearby workers and customers.

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crella October 23, 2011 at 20:50

“The video, taken from the customer sitting area, starts rolling before the altercation. It is not a McDonald’s security camera video. Was the person taking the video part of the altercation setup?”

Who knows? There was a YouTube video taken on a bus that went around for a while, a punk went after an old man on the bus after being encouraged to do so by the skanks he was with, who were operating the camera. He got his arse handed to him, but I wonder how many of this type of incident is precipitated by a dare?

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Jean Valjean October 23, 2011 at 21:11

Bitches had it coming. I’m glad so many people can see with their eyes that this man was defending himself and then compare what they see to what the media is saying. It’s misandry and people are noticing.

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Reece October 23, 2011 at 21:16

This all reminds me of George Orwell’s book, Animal Farm. To paraphrase a couple of passages: “Vagina good, Penis bad”, and, “Everyone is equal but some people are more equal than others”.

If you haven’t read Animal Farm, here’s a short essay: Animal Farm As A Social Criticism

Women are so “equal”, that blatant criminal behaviour is not interpreted as such. Only one person can claim self-defence and the media has already claimed it on behalf of the women. I expect the court will follow suit, unless doing so will cause too much controversy.

Either way, the women will probably get a weak punishment like community service, which is almost no punishment at all. Arresting and charging the perpetrator of a crime and then not punishing them, is tantamount to saying there was no crime to begin with.

In common law, it is said: “No victim – No crime.”

Since, society thinks that men are expendable, it shouldn’t be a surprising development when men are considered to be not capable of being victims. And, if they are never victims, then their involvement in any crime can only be in the capacity of the perpetrator of said crime. If they are found not guilty, then there must have been no crime, so there is no reason to punish any women that might have been involved. It’s obvious that both the media and courts share this view, which is why excuses abound, when women commit crimes, and a manhunt ensues, to find someone to blame.

This reminds me of something that occurred to me earlier today, and I suppose it’s relevant here. Have you ever noticed that politicians never point at people with their fingers? They are advised not to do that as it isn’t considered, “preferred behaviour”. I think I can guess why; pointing can be used to assign blame and blame confers accountability. The last thing that any politician wants is to be accountable! However, it is the first thing they do when it comes to crime. They are so quick to point the finger at men, but never women. Politicians have even embarrassed themselves by ignorantly bashing a man, when it turns out he was the victim, not the woman! If only they would blame themselves, then our countries wouldn’t all be slowly turning to communism.

See this:A Layman’s Look at the Communist Manifesto

Communism may seem unrelated to this topic but communism is the preferred doctrine of the ruling class because that is the only way of taking wealth and property from everyone without having to fight them. What does the West and Russia have in common? They’re both pretending that they’re not communists. Those two links should provide enough information as to why we should be resisting communism: Liberty and Communism are mutually exclusive.

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Jack October 23, 2011 at 21:27

I met a 39 year old woman today. She told me that she’s been widowed for three years. I’m getting so jaded with western women that I almost half-jokingly asked her if she had killed him to keep all their assets. Yeah I know it sounds terrible…

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Jack October 23, 2011 at 21:42

“A lot of people appear to support the guy despite the media’s bias”.
**That is my observation too whether the media site is liberal or conservative.

“Not until every man who even upsets a women is immediately fired and put in jail will women be happy”.
**Women will never be truly happy regardless of how much political power and wealth they achieve over the masses of men who ever upset a woman which is probably all men.

Do not lose hope. Society will collapse before a matriarchal dystopia arrives. The male back blast against females is just recently starting to begin. While enjoying their degrees and money, women as a group are increasingly upset with the quality of their relationships and what has happened to men. It is not that they care about us for our own sake as the women care how it simply applies to their lives.

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Nico October 24, 2011 at 05:16
BeijaFlor October 24, 2011 at 05:38

I’d still like to know if they recovered the $50 bill. Was it indeed funny money?

When a fighting-drunk customer swarms over the counter into the “employees only” space of a store or restaurant – with obvious mayhem in mind – isn’t that TRESPASSING? If not, why not? Same for a customer who comes through the “employees only” door and heads for the fight. These customers were in a space where they don’t belong.

If someone strikes the first blow, isn’t that person right then and there guilty of assault? Does the term “aggravated assault” cover the person who strikes the first blow and keeps coming to throw a second?

You have two drunk-and-disorderly customers in “employees-only” space. They are physically assaulting an employee, whose only “offense” – toward the customers – was to squint too hard at a $50 bill they’d tendered; maybe holding it up to the light to make sure of the security strip. And we have an accomplice – I believe – who took a video of the whole thing, starting BEFORE the first slap.

McDonalds should have given Mr. McIntosh a medal, not the boot.

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Reece October 24, 2011 at 05:53

Somebody said:
“And we have an accomplice – I believe – who took a video of the whole thing, starting BEFORE the first slap.”

Could this be a “happy slapping”gone wrong?

I still can’t get over this guy’s name: Rayon McIntosh. Not only is he named after two man-made fabrics, McIntosh is a distinctly Scottish name. This whole case is messing with my head.

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Uncle Elmer October 24, 2011 at 07:49

Avenger : And btw, aside from the fact that these females may have had a weapon and may have been intending to rob the place, there are plenty of other ways they could have harmed the guy and the customers.

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Our friend Mr.Rayon grew up in the hood and spent 10 years in prison. When those beasts attacked him he reacted on instinct, and fully expected them to be followed by a swarm of males as well. The first thing a criminal will try to do is disarm you mentally so you drop your guard before they take you out, sometimes referred to as “a sucker punch”.

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crella : He got his arse handed to him, but I wonder how many of this type of incident is precipitated by a dare?

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Probably more than a few young men have died in combat when they realized the cameras were rolling, rather than keep their ass down like they should.

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Anonymous Reader October 24, 2011 at 08:43

While never a sworn officer of any sort I do know something about US laws on use of force, the force continuum, and other relevant facts. I have viewed the vid multiple times and see the same things Lyn87 does, in particular the order “Stay down! Stay down!” given by the counterman. Therefore, I agree with Lyn87′s assessment due to my knowledge and my observations.

There are two things I wish to add: first, multiple attackers even when unarmed can create was is called “disparity of force” simply by numbers. Two young women with clear violent intent entering an area where knives are likely laying out for the grabbing IMO created a disparity of force situation. The counterman was smart to place himself where his attackers were channeled into a “funnel” so that they could not flank him or get behind him, because that reduced the usefulness of their disparity of force.

Second, the counterman quite possibly was copying what he had seen prison guards do, i.e. take down an attacker and order the attacker to “stay down!” until others arrive to take the attacker into custody. He actually showed restraint, quite a bit of it, in stopping his energetic defense when his attackers were down, and only resuming it when required to prevent them from getting up. Because the first step for them to resume the attack is “get up off the floor”. Therefore, by keeping them on the floor, he prevented them from continuing their attack.

And yeah, the camera that someone brought in to record some kind of event is very interesting. The counterman’s attorney ought to have slapped a subpoena on that camera immediately – it would be very interesting to see what other recordings are on it, and who is in those recordings, because it could provide a motive for the actions of the two females.

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Anonymous Reader October 24, 2011 at 09:04

PS: I forgot to mention, the counterman showed a measured response. If he wanted to kill those two attackers he could easily have done so. Since they are not dead, he clearly showed self restraint / self control. Therefore the press portrayal of him is not accurate, is not true, because if he was the raging animal claimed then both females would have been Dead Right There (DRT).

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Firepower October 24, 2011 at 09:05

Lyn87

1) No, I’m not a chick – are you?

It’s that name of yours.

2) He used a normal, non-weapon, object as a weapon because he needed a weapon and didn’t have one.

Brilliant.

If some corrupt DA thinks that picking up the first object at hand to defend against multiple assailants in close quarters counts as “possession of a weapon” than the law is too broad to be meaningful.

Pure speculation. Not even an educated guess.

3) I didn’t lose my le job (what does that even mean?). I retired from the military

LE = law enforcement; standard terminology.

You know, yesterday when I saw you getting owned

That’s what that discharge for blindness was for. Now I know how come it took you guys so so long to find UBL.

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American October 24, 2011 at 09:09

Modern “Gender-Raunch feminism” isn’t yer mothers “Equality feminism” of 30 years ago.
For example; 30 years ago if a college proffessor takes a saws-all with a dildo strapped on the end of it to a womens vagina as a class project, it would be considered “objectifying women”. But in todays “Gender-Raunch culture” students are lining up for the “Gender” classes, cause they know they will see the Raunchiest shit that they could imagine.

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Firepower October 24, 2011 at 09:11

Cocco

Some just like to abuse other slaves like Firepower.

I am no longer afraid to file sexual harrassment law suits against places like malls that don’t protect their workers.

Your courage filing lawsuits against shopping malls you frequent is a brave step.

greyghost

As soon as that first women hit the guy and then both of them jumped the counter to go after him he is the victim period.WTF Firepower.

Our Hero. With paroled killers defending McDonand’s
the Big Bad World
can finally be made safe
for mrm marchers.

At least, we’ll have a large pool of bodyguards.

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Alan B October 24, 2011 at 09:34

Look, this happened in NYC.
1. im not 100% sure about this particular MCDs, but most of them have a $20 bill limit. these women passed a $50. it could have been funny $$, or they guy might have just said, look, i cant take the $50 without a manager approval, since i cant pull out that kinda change from my drawer. of course, the closer you get to Wall St, the more $$, they will take. i believe the MCDs on Wall St, will take up to a $100.

2. this dude is straight from the hood. been locked up for what, 10years? i will assume that in his experience, women that are gonna commit crimes, especially when they act aggressive USUALLY have a guy or 5 waiting in the wings in case some shit pops off. he secured an excellent location (chokepoint) to drop the 2 women, and in case 5 guys came streaming in, he could handle them 1 at a time, as long as he went with an overhand swing.

3. Self defense laws in urban areas are a real friggin CRIME against people claiming self-defense. in NYC, EVERYTHING is/can be classified as a weapon. If you use it as a weapon, it IS a weapon.

4. as with everything, stacking charges, is 2 fold. 1, if we cant get him for THIS, we will get him for THAT, or THAT or THAT. In many cases, the jury has no choice but to convict on certain grounds because the judge/DA will point out the law demands it. (ie. he picked up a stick, hit someone, that is weapons charges regardless of anything else he did.)

5. As for the video rolling before the altercation, i will just guess many people here haven’t seen the passive-aggressive nature of the urban black on display. There is probably a GOOD chance that there was a few minutes of loud bravado being displayed by the 2 black women, and as soon as it went above a loud “talk” the camera started rolling. (urban blacks will usually “say” something to antagonize someone into “stepping up” to them, then they use the fact that the person “stepped” to them as an excuse to attack.)

6. i dunno if the mcintosh dude heard of what happend at another MCDs, but
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/04/mcdonalds-fires-employee-who-recorded-brutal-beating-of-transgender-woman/

in this episode, a couple of black girls beat the snot out of a TG woman inside a MCDs. One of the employees videotaped it (while making shitty commentary) and got fired. the other employees, that didnt video, didnt laugh, but also didnt help defend the TG woman may ALSO get fired.
Perhaps McIntosh heard about it, and didnt want to lose his $7.35/hr job. Perhaps he thought once these 2 women, intimidated him and backed him up, they would go after the customers, the registers and the kid working the fryer?

Now that the precedent is somewhat set that MCDs can fire employees for not “helping”, my guess is that if shit goes somewhat badly for McIntosh, he could probably sue MCD’s for not having security personnel around so he wouldn’t HAVE to beat some bitches ass for getting out of pocket!

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Rocco October 24, 2011 at 10:09

So finally it’s out, Firepower, IMO is a plant and is a troll to me.

@ Alan B

You said something very important here. I grew up in the Bronx and bad neighborhoods were blocks away at all times.

Each of those women had a blade hidden somewhere every one of them and if you don’t believe it you don’t reach age 17 in those neighborhoods.

That stick was to protect from the blades because they were on the other side of the counter and were within blade distance. Those chicks are experts at “accidentally, in self defense” plunging that blade directly into the carotid artery and killing you or poping your lung….it’s what they do, I grew up with them.

When you walk around NY you assume everyone has a blade and if their beligerant….likely a gun.

He’s just lucky they or their boyfriends didn’t shoot him but even hood rat mangina’s are wisening up.

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American October 24, 2011 at 10:27

Most of the loud mouth “Gender-Raunch community” dominating Americas universities grew up in an orderly patriarchy, as very few from the matriarchal underclass get an education, due to the perverted propaganda coming out of the mouths of Gender-Raunch.
American Gender-Raunch are stripping public schools of male teachers, which Further shores up the power of “Gender-Raunch” by turning the majority of American society into a broken, uneducated, violent, helpless matriarchy.

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American October 24, 2011 at 10:34

American Gender-Raunch shouldn’t complain with their mouths full of federal “Pervert Pork”

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Rebel October 24, 2011 at 10:54

It looks like this board is under the control of one single entity: the one that wants to bomb the whole world.

I wonder how many readers and participants are being driven away.

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W.F. Price October 24, 2011 at 11:56

OK, I’m back to work, and I’d like to see fewer personal attacks, as per comment policy, so cool it FP.

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Rocco October 24, 2011 at 12:00

OT:

We need the down buttons at least, you forget how tiring it gets but not for me, I just ignore like there was a down arrow, so guys don’t take my unresponsivness to FirePower as anthing other than not trying to engage a troll.

@ Americans, that’s right we are not even a very well educated third world country, we just consume alot because our women were taught to make a fast buck by hustling love lorn guys and it became a better deal than marriage…..sex in the city….we have arrived. Poor children.

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Rebel October 24, 2011 at 12:02

“you’ll all soon forget”.

That’s not the way the mind works.

Boxer you said?

????

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W.F. Price October 24, 2011 at 12:08

We need the down buttons at least, you forget how tiring it gets but not for me, I just ignore like there was a down arrow, so guys don’t take my unresponsivness to FirePower as anthing other than not trying to engage a troll.

-Rocco

Yeah, I might put them back up. I was trying to see whether they were causing the memory spikes, because the plugin uses ajax and that has given me trouble in the past, but I just got another one, so probably not. Guess I’ll have to check the others now.

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Rebel October 24, 2011 at 12:28

@W.F. Price October 24, 2011 at 12:08

Yeah, I might put them back up. ”

On the other hand, I have seen no problem since you removed them.
The system seems to work better. There are pros and cons to thumbs.

Perhaps your decision to control (comment policy,) will suffice.

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BoxANT October 24, 2011 at 12:36

“Utah mom pleads guilty in virginity sale case”
A 33 yo “mother” tried to sell her daughters virginity. Sick and sad.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_VIRGINITY_FOR_SALE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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Avenger October 24, 2011 at 12:53

I’d leave the thumbs up and down off. I’ve seen total crap being given a lot of thumbs up (probably by the person who wrote it and has nothing else to do all day) and very good stuff getting thumbs down. And besides, it shouldn’t be a popularity contest;you also have some of these shutins with no lives arguing and attacking each other all day.

You may want to limit the number of posts per day too unless you want guys like Nolan taking up 90% of each thread with his usual garbage.

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Rocco October 24, 2011 at 12:58

@ Price

To politicians reading this the math is statitstically trivial. The up and down votes are a marketing bonanza to those who would assists us even if it means a profit, which, I’ve gone on record, should be everyones goal.

Think of how you could sell the data on the voting to manufactureres of cars to political parties…..many industries do this, it’s called marketing analysis and a savey way to sway politics.

But back the votes, best thing you ever did. And a platinum post for the one with the most votes of the day…give us something to compete for.

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oddsock October 24, 2011 at 12:58

Avenger

“You may want to limit the number of posts per day too unless you want guys like Nolan taking up 90% of each thread with his usual garbage.”

Does that include inflatable sheep ?

Rebel

Just before Mr Price has a clamp down on name calling. I just want to say.

Your a feckin grumpy old foreign goat . But I still love yer !

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Rebel October 24, 2011 at 13:49

“Your a feckin grumpy old foreign goat . But I still love yer !”

Thanks! That was the best compliment I got in a while.

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Rebel October 24, 2011 at 14:00

@Firepower:

“Out of respect, just to point out any misunderstanding, actual name calling began here:”

If you step on a wolverine’s paw, intentionally or not, the animal will keep on attacking you as long as it will live. Once the process has begun, it can’t be stopped.
You seem to be much like that.

I find it mildly bothersome.

Are you sure there’s nothing you can do about it?

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mananon October 24, 2011 at 16:35

You may want to limit the number of posts per day too unless you want guys like Nolan taking up 90% of each thread with his usual garbage.

Avenger

I almost hesitate to ask but what happened to PAN? Has he finally got fed up here, or has he been banned?

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Boxer October 24, 2011 at 18:53

Rebel writes:

Boxer you said?

????

huh? lol

glad to see that firepower and keyster have spent literally all day (on a weekday, no less) obsessing about my comings and goings. lololol

no problem girls, those of us who have real lives will kick you some extra vig in your welfare cheques. keep dancing…

boxer

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Rebel October 24, 2011 at 19:36

@Mananon:
“I almost hesitate to ask but what happened to PAN? Has he finally got fed up here, or has he been banned?”

PAN was the Greek god of something or other. Used to drop in unexpectedly. No one would dare speak his name…

SShhhh!!!!!

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Brando October 24, 2011 at 20:46

So when are you guys going to stop the same old bickering as if you’re in high school? It’s stupid, disagree and move on already. Everybody reading rolls their eyes at your petty little internet feud.

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American October 25, 2011 at 05:37

The Gender-Raunch quackademics who dominate American universities have alot to gain by calling the matriarchal underclass of poor, desperate, violent and un-educated, broken people…A patriarchy.
The paradigm shift, or reconstruction of the “Pevert construction” that now dominates American Universities may come from academics outside the American academic “Pervert curtain”.
A huge, maybe the hugest win for mens and fathers equal rights and equal protection under the law; will be when the violent uneducated and desperate American uderclass is called what it really is “The Matriarchy”, but it may take academics outside the American Pervert Curtain to do it first.

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Timothy October 25, 2011 at 06:17

How typical, Ryu and Firepower turned this into a race issue.

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Firepower October 25, 2011 at 11:34

Timothy

How typical, Ryu and Firepower turned this into a race issue.

And, how typical that Timmay
didn’t have teh balls
to whine sooner
about it

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Deucalion October 25, 2011 at 17:56

And how typical of you, Firepower, to act like a juvenile.Seriously, cut off your man parts and go join the feminists, your antics are far more fitting of their ilk, not ours. Seriously man, get over yourself.

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Boxer October 25, 2011 at 21:31

And, how typical that Timmay didn’t have teh balls to whine sooner about it

I’m sure he was hard at work, paying the taxes to fund the welfare programs that enable your bad behaviour here, at all hours of the day and night.

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Firepower October 27, 2011 at 12:10

Boxer October 25, 2011 at 21:31

And, how typical that Timmay didn’t have teh balls to whine sooner about it

From the timestamp of your post, you were still yet more bravely later.

Besides, what does America’s social welfare state concern you, a foreigner with communist leanings.

That’s the kind of stuff you support. Better not let the Commentariat detect your defection.

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