Risky “Sexual Marketplace”: Beware Loathsome STDs

by Davd on October 21, 2011

Wake Up to Risk:
The Sexual Revolution has Badly Fouled its Nest
by Davd, 2011

To invent a name, let’s call her Linda. She’s at least half smart, lively, and [as the name Linda implies] good-looking. You and she meet at a public event of some kind, and discover two or three common interests. There is an ambiguous ring on her third finger, left hand, which might or might not indicate that she’s married. Accordingly, though you’re single and she’s attractive, you’re merely friendly.

Not so Wally: He is what the Latinos call mujerigo and the Anglos of the 1980s called a lounge lizard. He doesn’t care if she’s married, he does care that she’s good-looking; and so he invites her out that very evening, while you go home to cover the tomato and cucumber plants against a risk of frost.

Three weeks later, you and Linda are in a task group together, working on one of those common interests; and you find out she’s widowed. You meet for lunch, and you ask what came of her date[s] with Wally.

“It was a fun weekend but I knew there was no future in it,” she replies. “Does that mean you need some STD tests in another five months?” you ask. It isn’t the most endearing thing to say-far from it-but it is the most practical. If she had repeated intercourse with a man you estimate to have had 200-500 ‘partners’ in his 20 sexually active years, then to rush into a similar intimacy amounts to nonviolent Russian roulette.* There’s no point in pursuing “courtship” until after those STD tests, unless and until you’re convinced she either did not become intimate with Wally, or that condoms were rigorously employed if she did… and that what she and Wally “did” was of such nature that condoms constituted adequate prophylaxis.

“It was a fun weekend”, since 1980 or earlier, implies intercourse. “But I knew there was no future in it,” implies availability. The “epidemiological risk environment” of the 21st Century, implies danger.

My point is not to complain; rather to warn: I’ve been sexually abstinent for eight years now and i will quite likely remain abstinent for life: I’m not in the game Linda and Wally were playing; and while at my age that’s an easier choice, one powerful motivation for abstinence is that it’s a far more dangerous game than it was in 1970.

The STD risks that four decades of “the Sexual Revolution” have generated, add up to substantial reason to be monogamous or abstinent. During the same two generations that civil “marriage” has become more of a trap and far less of a promise, promiscuity has become dangerous not just for “pregnancy extortion”, but also for risk of ugly, painful, often deadly disease.

If that “fun weekend” was indeed ‘sexually active’, it has spoiled Linda’s legitimate chances for a more-than-fun relationship until she’s sat out six months and “passed the tests”-unless, of course, Linda’s lifestyle resembles Wally’s and she was “dangerous fun” before tangling with him. (In that case she had little or nothing to spoil-and she’s still unsafe for sexy-dating unless and until she waits out the months and passes the tests. There are more tests to pass today than there were in 1970, too.)

AIDS, Hepatitis, Herpes, HPV-and even gonorrhea and syphilis, which naughty Aunt Laura told you penicillin would cure-are dividing us into the prudes and the promiscuous. The middle ground is turning to quicksand. The “Venereal Diseases” of 1970, which penicillin could cure back then, have evolved into the “STD”s of 2010, which are resistant to penicillin and which include the carcinogenic “HPV” and an especially insidious viral disease, AIDS, whose existence hadn’t even been documented in 1970.

In 1965-75, it may have seemed to many young adults-and even some “experts”-that STD risk was comparable to the risk of catching the ‘flu or a mere common cold. Penicillin was standard treatment for syphilis and gonorrhea and usually it worked. Herpes was an annoyance, and not that common; hepatitis and HPV were very rare; HIV was not even known to exist.

“Liberal” sexual habits formed on the basis of what was known then were minimally dangerous then; today they are quite dangerous: It turns out that the sexually “free”, are not and were not free from the processes of epidemiology, and their fun spread STD germs-including drug-resistant strains-raised STD infection rates, and decreased the treatability of those STDs.

The dangers of the “Sexual Market Place” are not all emotional and financial-and they are much greater than they were when sexual “liberation” began-directly because of all that “liberated sex”. “Prudish” attitudes and habits that were ridiculed on the basis of what was known then are wisely prudent now. Devout religious people who held to the old wisdom of faith rather than trust in the medical treatments of the time, have some cause to say that their old wisdom is more trustworthy than the medical assurances. More precisely, the medical assurances turned out to be quite transitory-the treatments mostly worked then, but not now. Monogamy and abstinence still work.

Most revolutions last months or years rather than decades; and the “sexual revolution” was already longer than most political revolutions by 1990. Most revolutions end-up more like they began than like “the height of them”, and the “sexual revolution” – we may hope – is doing the same. To continue the promiscuity of the peak years, will entail a lot more misery and early death.

It’s much more than a mere shame, that Feminism has done monogamy so much damage. There are public health reasons as well as fairness reasons, why the law should support lifetime marriage promises and discourage divorce and adultery.

And those men who “shop in the sexual marketplace” need to keep in mind, that whether they think goods or services are on offer, an unknown percentage-a much higher percentage than two generations ago or even one-are infected with dangerous, loathsome diseases. Becoming infected yourself will not make you a better nor a happier man.

 

* Russian roulette really existed: During World War II and perhaps earlier, Soviet-Russian soldiers would put one live round in a 6- or 8-chamber revolver, spin the drum, point the muzzle at their heads just above the ear, and pull the trigger. Allied troops who saw this done were flabbergasted.

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cybro October 21, 2011 at 10:55

No if you just have enough Game, if your Game is tight enough, bla, bla, bla then you don’t have these problems. Because Game fixes everything and if it doesn’t then you just don’t have enough faith in Game.

Two things PUAs never seem to talk about. STD’s and false rape.

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oddsock October 21, 2011 at 10:59

Inflatable sheep are the future !

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Uncle Elmer October 21, 2011 at 11:35

Herpes, gonoreaha, syphilis, Human Papilloma Virus, granuloma, chlymidia, crab louse…I’ve misspelled them all.

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Rhahael October 21, 2011 at 11:38

Very good game can avoid false rape claims, sometimes not even condons can avoid std risk.

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Jack October 21, 2011 at 11:40

Hepatitis can also be spread by directly sharing eating utensils. It can also be spread by someone moving their used eating utensil from their mouth back into the shared food to bring more to their plate or directly into their mouth. Afterwards, another person uses the serving spoon bringing the infected food from the serving dish to their plate. You can catch it this way too. Be careful.

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Anonymous Reader October 21, 2011 at 11:45

1965 – 197? would be the glory years of the Boomers – the leading edge, anyway.

I’m reading of varieties of gonnorhea found in Japan that are resistant to almost every antibiotic known to exist, and the one and only that works is expensive & can have some nasty side effects. I’m reading that maybe 40 to 50 percent of women under 30 in the UK have chlamydia, many don’t know it, and if untreated it can damage the reproductive system making them sterile. And of course the spreading of HPV in the US is gonna be “fixed” by a vaccine that has a 30% failure rate.

I can hear the tradcons warming up. So here’s a pre-emptive strike: a whole bunch of your good, Churchianity girls are just as slutty as their non-Churchianity sisters. Oh, some of them are “virgins” because they’ve never had a penis in their holy vagina – but plenty of oral and anal action kept them happy and popular. So don’t even stand up on that soapbox, it will collapse under the weight of your hypocritical nonsense.

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Anonymous Reader October 21, 2011 at 11:47

Jack, I’ve been thinking I probably should get the Hep vaccine just because all it takes is bad practices, or some dishwasher who doesn’t completely wash up one time before handling silverware, to spread it. You just confirmed it.

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AfOR October 21, 2011 at 11:50

Don’t cross the road chicken little, if the falling sky doesn’t kill ya, you’ll be run over by a bus, sure as shit.

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 11:55

A lot of bros who learn game go completely crazy, making up for lost time, and end up with pock-marked genitals.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TSNH_enUS417US417&aq=f&gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=hpv+tonsils

There are some pretty nasty diseases out there, and getting a blow isn’t safe any more either. Use condoms. Latex are the old standby, but I’ve tried the polyisoprene variety recently and they’re not half bad. If you’re considering rawdogging anyone, just google some photographs of the end result of hpv, herpes etc. and think again. No matter who she is, she sure ain’t worth it…

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TFH October 21, 2011 at 11:56

Two things PUAs never seem to talk about. STD’s and false rape.

PUAs underrate the chance of FRAs, and MRAs overrate it.

In reality, the chance is about 2% per woman.

Hence, Game is better practiced in a way that leads to 2 concurrent LTRs with highly attractive women, rather than a notch-count metric that increases the chances of FRAs and STDs. Having sex with 40 women can and will carry high risks.

But the chances are NOT high enough to not have relationships with attractive women altogether.

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Quartermain October 21, 2011 at 11:56

The sexual revolution like the French and Russian Revolutions promised Heaven on Earth but delivered the opposite.

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Firepower October 21, 2011 at 11:57

Females have been encouraged by the media – and FULLY “Oprahized” – to indulge in anonymous sex…free from even the smallest duty of responsibility.

If a man indulges in sex without responsibility and has a kid or gets the clap – the femedia blames the man.

When a woman indulges in sex without responsibility and has a kid or gets the clap – the femedia blames the man.

Oprah (and all that shit that women followed with all their soul) was all about vengeance. Not responsibility.

Today, we reap the whirlwind.

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Jim October 21, 2011 at 12:08

The greatest generation begets the worst generation. The worst generation begets the serf generation. The serf generation begets Obama.

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Uncle Elmer October 21, 2011 at 12:10

Jack October 21, 2011 at 11:40

Hepatitis can also be spread by directly sharing eating utensils.

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That would be Hepatitis B, for which you can get a vaccine. Hepatitis C is transmitted through exchange of body fluids, like HIV. It is deadly and there is no cure, nor is there a vaccine. Eventually you will need a liver transplant.

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Tharkas October 21, 2011 at 12:15

TFH October 21, 2011 at 11:56

Ye ah, I do agree with this. It’s not as if highly attractive women aren’t far more likely to cheat because their options are unlimited, and when you come to terms with the fact that most of the ugly and average women are whoring themselves to the Alpha males and to the guys who are paying for it; you can be confident that ‘game’ can nullify any std in a woman.

Don’t forget that the tighter the ‘game’, the less women turn into Alpha male harems.

Yap.

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Uncle Elmer October 21, 2011 at 12:27

Anonymous Reader October 21, 2011 at 11:45

1965 – 197? would be the glory years of the Boomers – the leading edge, anyway.

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Herpes and clap exploded in the U.S. when vets returned from SE Asia, which in some areas has a herpes rate of about 50%. The same thing happened after WWI with syphilis, though at the time they had the arsenic-based drug “salvarsan”. For an idea how pleasurable a salvarsan treatment would be, take a look at this :

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/objects/display.aspx?id=5630

During the American Civil War, venereal disease was rampant, and treated with injections of mercury compounds into the urethra, with mixed results.

The English adventurer Sir Richard Francis Burton, who translated The Arabian Nights and Kama Sutra, among countless other intrigues, supposedly was cured of syphilis during a bout of high fever, which kills the bacteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Francis_Burton

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continent October 21, 2011 at 12:46

@ Anonymous Reader,
I was not aware that there was a vaccine for “Hep” as you put it and how easily it is transmitted.
But my understanding is that there is no cure for HPV but there is a vaccine with some side effects.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/Index.html
There used to be a saying “Love lasts livetime, but Herpes are forever”.

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anonymous October 21, 2011 at 13:02

Rooshv made a post titled, “go down on a girl and get oral cancer”. So we can assume that he is no longer into licking snappers. However, it seems like a woman’s mouth would be just as polluted as her snapper, if not more so.

Game blogs seem to focus on the bar and club scene, and approaching over and over. I somehow doubt the gamer’s are pulling from a random selection of women. Most likely their “game” works best on a subset of women who are highly social, promiscuous, and put out fast. When the gamer scores one of these, he pats himself on the back for having “tight game”.

The 80/20 rule probably applies to women as well. 20% of the women having 80% of the fast hookups. So in effect, the gamers are cashing in on the dirtiest 20%. Then they get jaded, and complain that women are dirty. Sexual liberated women may be dirty by historical standards, but not nearly as much as the fast 20%

Hep B vaccine isn’t 100%, and it has a limited effectiveness, maybe 5 years. Even if the woman has an active case of this, and transmits it, your odds of you catching it, and the disease going chronic are still relatively low. Still, if I thought a woman had Hep B/C, I’d avoid her like the plague.

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manufactured statistics October 21, 2011 at 13:24

Ariel Levy wrote a book about women and the rise of new “Raunch culture feminism”.
Women have objectified themselves to a degree that would make the old 50′s patriarchy blush.
One recent example that epitomizes the new American ” gender-feminist Raunch culture” is the event that happened last year where a university professor took a dildo strapped to the end of a saws-all to a womens vagina, as a class project.
“Professor Raunch” was only sanctioned when conservatives challenged the university president and said that this might be a little to raunchy to be a college course.

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manufactured statistics October 21, 2011 at 13:33

My buddy gets more ass then a toilet seat, and yes he’s caught many diseases from these women.
In a way, I envy him, cause he’s good at getting down womens pants, and then “”they”” decide they don’t want him because he’s irresponsible and doesn’t work. Bottom line is He can bone these girls, and because “”they”” decide they don’t want him, he gets to bone them and than they walk away from him.
On the other hand, a guy like myself with assets to lose can’t just bone these women, because if you do, and they want to keep you because “”yer a good provider”””, they might say you raped her if you break up with her.
No joke folks, the only ones that can get a piece of ass at a bar these days is guys with nothing to lose. Kinda makes me want to quit my job.

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anonymous October 21, 2011 at 13:56

@manufactured statistics

yes indeed. If you have income and assets, and are into “game”, that oops can quickly turn into a million dollar baby.

Sex is mostly cheap and meaningless, so I think we should redefine roissy’s “alpha” metric as he who produces the most offspring. The uber alpha is the NINJA, no income, no job, no assets, and yet the woman is still eager to have his children. Your average beta has to stay continuously employed at a reasonably decent job to motivate the woman to have one or two children with him. It doesn’t take much talent, ambition, or status to die childless, whether they have “game” or not.

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Rocco October 21, 2011 at 14:07

@ Firepower

You yelled at me for launching this anti snooch snorting campaign and I’m telling you it’s go viral (pun intended).

Wow, you guys need a refresher in VD. You mostly have it right. I’d be happy if I say something wrong and someone has a reference. Otherwise, this is a public service announcement, my opinions and not Prices.

VD in order or danger:

HIV, 50,000 new cases a year in the US, steady rate, in the US and Europe mainly IV and gay, hetero catching up fast.

With the new anti-virals it’s no longer a death sentence, look at Magic Jonson if you want to see test subject A…..he’s doing great, so are most HIV positiive people….the key is get started early on treatment before you get a disease that damages your permanently.

HPV

Because it’s so common….most sexually active adults should be considered to have it….you can’t see it, it’s flat, sometimes raised, but only with vinegar does it come out….that’s what they use at the ob-gyn with the colposcope (a magnifying glass for cervixes).

Important points on HPV: only a few subtypes appear involved in carcinogenisis and it occurs at the squamo-columnar junction or where mucuous membranes meet skin like…..cervix, anus, mouth.

Charleys Angels star whats her name died of anal cancer from hpv.

There is no reason to go down on women, your finger is more sensitive then your tongue and has more dexterity……really try to tie a knot with your tongue…..take this advice guys….it’s for real and we don’t know how bad it will get.

MRM to Feminism: No more cunnalingus…….now get the boys vaccinated for HPV….your in charge right.

Hep-B

Deadly, there’s a grea vaccine…..this is one of the most common causes of death in asia….get the vaccine.

Hep-C

Potentially lethal….like alcohol and Hep B causes cirrhosis of the liver…..Pamela Anderson used to be hot….now she’s just infectious for Hep-C……alot of women are and they won’t necessarily know enough to tell you about it….were a condom.

Hep-C is on the rise fast….there is no vaccine.

Herpes used to be what we worried about in the 70′s….it was 1981 when AIDS made it’s presence first known and I think it was named in 1983….that was the end of the sexual revolution.

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Jaego Scorzne October 21, 2011 at 14:26

It’s just like Venture Capitalists who take advantage of traditional social mores to make a killing – and in the process make a mess and ruin the health of their employees. Just so, the fun of the Loundge Lizards and Party Girls was based on centuries of healthy habits and a carefully channeled sexuality. A few doing it doesn’t ruin society, but when it becomes a pop imag that people have to live up to, the end comes quickly.

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Firepower October 21, 2011 at 14:27

Rocco

@ Firepower

You yelled at me for launching this anti snooch snorting campaign and I’m telling you it’s go viral (pun intended).

I want you to make contributions as valuable as the authors’ efforts.

Only englishmen and other socialist foreigners have an excuse to act the mong.

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manufactured statistics October 21, 2011 at 14:31

My buddy guestimates he has around 20 children.
He’s good at telling women what the women want to hear ( many women like to be lied to, no joke), he blows his load in them for a few weeks, and then “””they””” decide hes not a “good provider” and “””they””” walk away. If the women walks away from you, yer safe, on the other hand if you walk away from her, a women scorned may just say you were beating and raping her.

Women want to f@#k the irresponsible male slut, then they want to find the broken eunuch provider male, so she can dominate him, and have him put his pay check right on the kitchen table where she told him to put it.
Many women love violent males, and will breed with the violent males, and again will have the “Broken eunuch males” to be yolked into the provider role to raise the other mans children.
I read somewhere that privileged roman women would pay big bucks to go into the bowels of the roman prison system to be serviced by violent males. As another example of women seeking to be near violent men is, We also now have legions of women getting into the “corrections psychology field” in order to go into our nations prison system to be near (and sometimes f@#k) the violent males in the prison system that they crave.
Its the bureaucratic, (mostly democrat) eunech male providers that are willfully ignorant to womens true nature.
In order to return the rule of law, society may need to overthrow the “Allied eunuchs” that run many of our nations burocracies, and who are willfully ignorant to the legions of nasty violent women going into our nations prison systems to f#@k the violent guys on our taxpayer dollars.

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Rocco October 21, 2011 at 14:48

@ Firepower

This from someone who confuses castigation and contribution.

One drives people away the other brings them here.

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Firepower October 21, 2011 at 14:53

Rocco

@ Firepower

This from someone who confuses castigation and contribution.

One drives people away the other brings them here.

If you want to play The Piccolo of Stupid, and be the Pied Piper enchanting every doofus worthy of cannonfodder – be my guest.

But, it appears (what a surprise)
you yet again fail to see
your musical notes are
in themselves
repellent to the wise

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Things are bad October 21, 2011 at 15:57

Do not get the HPV vaccine, it’s dangerous and useless.

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Anonymous Reader October 21, 2011 at 16:07

continent
@ Anonymous Reader,
I was not aware that there was a vaccine for “Hep” as you put it and how easily it is transmitted.

There is a vaccine for both Hepatitis A and B
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_A_vaccine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_B_vaccine

As Elmer pointed out, no vaccine for HepC yet and no cure for it.

But my understanding is that there is no cure for HPV but there is a vaccine with some side effects.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/Index.html

The problem with the HPV vaccines is they protect against a small number of strains that are implicated in the majority of uterine tumors – however, about 30% of cases are caused by virii that the HPV vaccine doesn’t protect against. So any woman who has more than one sexual partner should get a PAP smear anyway. I wonder if HPV isn’t involved in other tumors, besides the oral cases that are showing up now.

Basically the probabilities of catching some disease are geometric, and ramp up amazingly quickly. When you have sexual relations with a woman, you are indirectly exposed to every man who was ever in her, for a start. Cheerful thought, isn’t it?

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Will Penny October 21, 2011 at 16:12

The future of the human race is laid out in the Unibomber Manifesto. You’re all going to be doped-up drones of the state, enslaved by technology. Enprisoned by socially enforced feelings of inadequacy, not able to give your life a sense of purpose, let alone having control over it. Your days will be occupied with what Ted calls “surrogate activies.” That is, mindless, useless things to keep you busy and your mind diverted from your biological urge to reproduce, dominate a woman, and so forth. College and career are “surrogate” activities.

Take it from Ted, he was the ultimate man going his own way. What with the cabin in the woods and all.

Destruction of pristine Montanna forests, and his favorite walking trail are what pushed him over the edge.

That said, I don’t condone killing people.

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Avenger October 21, 2011 at 16:18

My point is not to complain; rather to warn: I’ve been sexually abstinent for eight years now and i will quite likely remain abstinent for life:

And then you will die. There are thousands of non sexual diseases that can kill you in life but people like David are obsessed with the sexual ones, perhaps as some sort of rationalisation for not being able to get a female (other than some whore) If sex was as dangerous as people like neurotic sex starved David believe the human race would have never survived. He even deludes himself into believing that people are more promiscuous today than in the past.
David, you should really fix your house up like the Bubble Boy’s and wear a suit when you go outside so you’ll be fully protected from all of those “dangerous, loathsome diseases” lol

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Taqman October 21, 2011 at 16:39

What happened to the up/down voting?

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 16:45

David, you should really fix your house up like the Bubble Boy’s and wear a suit when you go outside so you’ll be fully protected from all of those “dangerous, loathsome diseases” lol

I agree with you that there’s a middle ground. I don’t buy the idea that all women are rancid, disease carrying whores either; but, the risk is very real, and people like David should not be bashed for spreading the worst case scenario.

I know one brother (still a teenager technically, 19) who learned game, went from virgin to playa in one summer. He’s now contracted herpes and it’s too painful to have sex. He tells me that his penis is so covered with lesions during an outbreak that it looks like ground hamburger and is constantly painful, itchy, etc. Until (unless?) his outbreaks subside he is celibate and the way he talks he can’t even masturbate.

The risk is real and men should know the risks so that they can take full responsibility for themselves. Use condoms (latex or polyisoprene, not the natural lamb skin type).

Most of us have hobbies and lifestyles that are relatively risky. It’s best to look at condoms in the same way you look at seat belts in cars or helmets on motorbikes. No one expects to get a disease, but you’re an idiot if you don’t minimize risk to yourself. Sex can be a fun part of adult life but the fun will end if you do it irresponsibly.

The brother who warned about kissing women was right on too. I don’t deep kiss any woman and I don’t stick my dick in any orifice without protection. If you can’t get off with a condom, have her use her hands while she blows you. Condoms not only minimize risk of disease transmission, but they hinder women from inseminating themselves later and hitting you with a child support bill. (Don’t laugh, this has happened and has been covered in the media.)

Have fun but play it safe brothers.

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Rocco October 21, 2011 at 17:00

OT

I guess if they do make work camps for men, if money get’s tight so will the supply of food, and this in the most wealthy nation the world has ever seen:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/texas-prison-system-goes-to-two-meals-to-cut-costs_n_1025893.html

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Jack October 21, 2011 at 17:02

Sex is great yet I think it is over-rated. Men are brainwashed into associating our sexual drive and frequency of sex with where we rank up there on the totem pole. More than ever, sex is a somewhat risky (STD) activity whether it is casual or even in a supposedly monogamous marriage. Then there is the risk of a false-rape accusation and perhaps equally as frightening the possibility of the woman sabotaging the birth control and making you her financial slave for the next twenty years.

The gun control nuts state how that there are three gun homicides per 100,000 people and they demand banning guns as a result. How many mens lives have been destroyed per 100,000 women?

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W.F. Price October 21, 2011 at 17:10

What happened to the up/down voting?

-Taqman

I think it’s been causing some problems with the server, so I turned it off to see.

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greyghost October 21, 2011 at 17:52

This topic reminds me of this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30tzMRv4MA

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Avenger October 21, 2011 at 18:06

Boxer-half the people carry herpes and HPV. For all you know you may have been infected in kindergarten when you touched that kid with a cold sore and the virus is dormant in your body. And HPV does not cause cancer, it’s only certain strains of it that MAY lead to cancer. I believe that there are only about 3k deaths from cervical cancer in the US and there’s no way of telling how many were related to HPV so it’s a very minor problem. Besides, even if you were infected the body clears the virus within 1-2 years in most people.

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anonymous October 21, 2011 at 18:29

@manufactured statistics

much is said on game blogs about how to “game” the women. But little is said about how to go from woman to woman. Your buddy unlocks the mystery. If a man beds a woman, and she gets the idea that he is good provider material, she will cling like saran wrap. Break ups will be painful. However, having the woman do the walk away makes things much easier and facilitates going from woman to woman.

the man with income and assets is probably best served by remaining chaste while dating. Many women out there will either be incompatible or of low quality, and it may be difficult to know that until hanging out with them for a couple of months. By remaining chaste for a period of time, its much easier to catch, and then release after learning there is some problem, such as excessive debt, shady sexual past, strange medications, unwillingness to cook, drinking too much, etc.

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 18:34

Avenger:

I’m not a physician and I doubt you’re one either. Now that that’s out of the way, I’m glad you pointed out that many cases of Herpes and HPV are asymptomatic.

The versions of HPV that cause cancer are different than the wart kind, and can be shed without any symptoms until… bang, you’ve got cancer of the pecker (or for you fellas who eat pussy, of the tonsils and vocal cords).

You are wrong about Herpes. It lies dormant in the nerve cells even after antibodies clear it from being active. Infected people continue to shed the virus from nerve endings even without symptoms, for the rest of their lives. Should their immune systems become compromised, the virus is able to flare back up and become active again. This is why people have outbreaks years after they pick this shit up. It is literally the gift that keeps on giving.

That sweet girl you met, who may be a virgin, may have picked up Herpes from kissing her mom and dad as a kid (as you correctly point out). So, she never had an outbreak, and some brother falls in love and starts knocking boots, and suddenly his cock looks like this:

http://www.xherpes.com/herpespictures-male.php

On the other hand, he can get a condom and not have to worry about this shit. Ultimately, the choice is every man’s for himself to make.

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Tharkas October 21, 2011 at 18:34

Boxer is a known PUA from the mgtow forum. He has stated on the forum that he had been banging a trailer park trash(that happened to look good) with a condom, only receiving oral sex if she used a condom on him, and he went as far as refusing to kiss her, afraid of what pollution she had floating around in her colgate’d mouth that sadly, no industrial-sized toothpaste can eradicate.

Take whatever a PUA says with a strong as hell grain of salt. This guy claims to have banged more than a 100 females in his short life, but was heart-broken when his girlfriend confessed to have gone to bed with some guys – prior to meeting him, I think.

He’s probably just another keyboard jockey. Nevertheless, he might be a true PUA, which only goes to prove that PUA are hedonists and that their only roles in the mgtow community are those of entertaining us with their adventures of baseline pursuits, and as examples of what men can become if the follow ”’game”.

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 18:38

“Tharkas”: Another sockpuppet making shit up. HAHAHAHA!

Keep dancing, bitches… :p

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Tharkas October 21, 2011 at 18:39

http://www.prolife.com/CONDOMS.html

Condoms efficiency; that lie that keeps on feeding the pockets of Trojan, durex and Control.

Bro, I am not shaming you. I rather think that we need PUA’s to protect the good men from women and from the state.

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 18:44

Bro, I am not shaming you. I rather think that we need PUA’s to protect the good men from women and from the state.

I’m not a PUA and never claimed to be one. I am honest in that I’m unable to be celibate, unlike many of the MGTOW/Happy Bachelor brothers. I simply don’t have the self-discipline.

Condoms efficiency; that lie that keeps on feeding the pockets of Trojan, durex and Control.

That’s right. Some people who use condoms correctly still come down with bad stuff; just like some people who use seatbelts still get killed in auto accidents. I might come down with the creepy crawlies too, someday; but so far, the condoms have saved my health (not to mention my wallet… I’d hate to be hit with a paternity suit in North America).

It’s all about minimizing risk, taking responsibility for your own health, and enjoying life along the way.

Regards, Boxer

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Tharkas October 21, 2011 at 18:51

Boxer October 21, 2011 at 18:38

you pua’s have short memories. you’re even using the same forum avatar.

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Rocco October 21, 2011 at 18:52

No Avenger HPV causes cancer and the rates are going up.

http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v2/n5/abs/nrc798.html

You see every cervical cancer had hpv in it. This is what I did as a grad student, ground up the cervical cancers we’d been storing up for years to do southern blots for hpv dna, in 1985.

The story was interesting because we knew it had to be VD that was causing the cervical cancer because nuns almost never got it and prostitutes got it the most.

But back then, we thought it would be herpes because of EBV causing some cancers. But when we looked, all the cervical cancers had hpv dna, and most subtypes 16 and 18.

HPV is the cause of main cause of cervical cancer, it is now reaching epidemic proportions of oral cancer, and, IMO will overtake smoking as a cause of lung cancer.

This is something only discovered in the last 30 years, don’t believe me? jump in a lake.

And 3K deaths per year is not a minor problem, not that I trust those numbers.

What would motivate someone to lie about a potentially curable cancer? The mind boggles.

Well 5 years ago only 2.5% of women knew why they went for their pap smears, HPV, and one wonders why the US is so fond of discrediting experts, the general population is soooo informed.

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v97/n5/abs/6603927a.html

The mixture of truth with falsehoods in your post is actually amazing.

btw:

Cold sore: Herpes (also a virus that causes cancers but mainly the epstien barr virus subtype, mono to all you high school studs).

Wart: HPV, same they used to say you got from masterbating and they were probably getting the chicken and egg screwed up…lol.

It’s going to have to be the kind of thing you have to say again and again until reality sets in for some people.

Do I worry about hpv? Yes I do. Did I have it? Yes I did, from my first wife, my second sexual partner. Where they high risk, yes, she had pre-cancer at age 24. Did I get em burnt off with liquid nitrogen, sure did, did it hurt, it stung.

Did they come back? Hard to say, you need vinegar and a magnifying glass and alot of experience to see them I’m told, you need to be a urologist.

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 18:57

Dear Tharkas:

you pua’s have short memories. you’re even using the same forum avatar.

I must have really kicked your ass all those months ago to have you still following me around, socking up and making shit up about me…. Still stung, eh?

Good. :)

Now join Firepower and keep dancing…

Regards, Boxer

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 19:03

Rocco:

HPV is the cause of main cause of cervical cancer, it is now reaching epidemic proportions of oral cancer, and, IMO will overtake smoking as a cause of lung cancer.

Yeesh… I get the oral cancer part, but how does it cause lung cancer? Aspiration or metastatization? Both?

Glad to have a medical type here to clear up the confusion.

Also, what is the difference between HPV that causes cancer and HPV that causes warts? Are they totally different virii, or just caught in different places?

Thanks, Boxer

Boxer

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Firepower October 21, 2011 at 19:13

Tharkas

Boxer is a known PUA from the mgtow forum. He has stated on the forum that he had been banging a trailer park trash.

LOL put up links to some of his bigger whoppers gems. It’ll bring the lolz.

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Boxer October 21, 2011 at 19:16

LOL put up links to some of his bigger whoppers gems. It’ll bring the lolz.

I second kooky firepower’s proposal. Go ahead and link to anything you want, kook. Unlike you two losers, I don’t change sockpuppets every two minutes and I stand behind what I write.

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manufactured statistics October 21, 2011 at 21:06

Eventually as the internet develops, there will develop a site that is a sort of “Ring type” situation where bloggers like Boxer and Firepower can enter the ring and verbally cage fight.
The audience (which will be us) will all have ringside seats and will observe and comment on each punch (or post). Sounds like a good fight, as both Boxer and firepower are no slouches , both seem in the intellect heavy weight division. Folks, i would pay good money to see this intellectual cage fight.

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Avenger October 21, 2011 at 21:24

Boxer October 21, 2011 at 18:34

Avenger:

I’m not a physician and I doubt you’re one either.

M.D.-Univ. of Edinburgh ’75.

While it’s true that I practised very little and spent most of my life in the financial world I can still interpret statistics and understand what I’m reading as far as diseases.

@Boxer
Also, what is the difference between HPV that causes cancer and HPV that causes warts? Are they totally different virii, or just caught in different places?

There are over 200 types of HPV and perhaps 20% of them are transmitted sexually. There are only 2 types of HPV (that I know of) which if not cleared by the body within 2 years MAY lead to precancerous lesions of the cervix in perhaps 5% of the females which may lead to invasive cancer after 20 years.

I really don’t know anything about Magic Johnson but from what I understand he tested positive for HIV. Now, it may be possible that treatment helped but even without treatment he may have not gone into full blown AIDS.
Regardless of the disease there are always people who manage to survive. If for example you had disease X and it was fatal for most people within a year, there are always people who make it in decreasing %’s to the 3 year mark, 5 year etc and some who live and die from another disease.
HIV is very difficult to transmit and there have only been a handful of cases where a man has contracted it from vaginal sex and we can’t be sure even of that. There are 12k new HIV positive females a year with perhaps 2k being Caucasian. The chance of encountering one is slim and the chance of contracting HIV from one is close to nil so this is not even a concern and that’s not even taking into consideration the fact that a certain % of Caucasians are immune to HIV(delta 32 mutation) Most gene mutations are harmful but not this one. And as far as I know, all gene mutations are harmful among the African Negro people and the mutation causes diseases worse than the disease the mutation tried to protect against eg. malaria>sickle cell

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Attila October 22, 2011 at 01:20

All that trouble and worry for just a few SECONDS of low-chakra pleasure, no thanks!

Have you ever seen men when they have an orgasm? They look like they are in PAIN, not pleasure.

Pleasure without hangover is found in singing, meditation and prayer. Plus, they are FREE.

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 02:40

@ Boxer

HPV is a very old virus and has been around for a very long time.

It causes skin cells to divide out of control and that is what a wart is.

Your skin has mechanisms coded in your dna to tell cells to stop growing and when this machinery either breaks due to radiation like sunlight hitting the dna and causing the ionization of one hydrogen or the machinery to repair dna is damaged itself leading to a cascade of genetic damage, this last mechanism is the most likely cause of full blown cancer it is currently thought. The disease is really simple to understand, it grows out of control eventually eating more than you do and you waste away and die.

Cancer is always forming and always being killed, or so theory goes, it’s a new theory, we only know about dna for 55 years and look at all the trouble we’ve been causing with the little knowledge it gives us overbrained monkeys.

In cancer immunogenetics we’re guessing alot right now.

The human papilloma virus has numerous subtypes but subtype 16 and 18 are so much more frequently associated with cancers that you can predict the cancers outcome by knowing the subtype of hpv, and I’m generously over simplifying and speaking of what is “thought” to be true.

So, the papilloma virus gives you a wart then it goes away because your immune system fights it and kills it, this we call spontaneous regression. But the warts can be flat and are frequently multiple so you really can’t see them, you just have to accept this fact.

A recent study showed a large percent of those infecting others had no observable warts.

But up to 80% of women will get them at some point and if only a small percent progress we have alot of precancers. In women the PAP smear is for finding the precancers of HPV. That is the only purpose. Could you imagine the waste if HPV didn’t cause cancer?

So, if the PAP smear is positive a biopsy is done and if there is precancer it is burned off with something very cold or shaved off with an electrified loop called a LEEP cone biopsy.

When they do this LEEP biopsy if full blown cancer is found, full blown radiation therapy and massive surgery is the only way to save the womans life. If she’s lucky.

This helps preserve a womans fertility, a cervix that’s had it’s hat cut off sometimes won’t hold in a baby and so the woman is infertile…..and you know how angry women get about stuff like that.

It seems that the cells that have a choice…..become skin or “mucosa” are at the highest risk for cancer. Mucosa is your mucous membranes that are wet and don’t have a scaly cover to protect from moisture loss, like the inner cervix, lung, and mouth.

In the mouth little glands have these squamous cells and columnar cells that can go either way….these are the ones that become cancerous.

The viral particles are on the vulva in the skin and penis in the skin, they flake off like dandruff, are aerosolized and inhaled. We’ve been noticing these warts on th uvula and larynx for years that were identical to cervical warts. Now DNA testing is available in most hospitals and the warts are definitely hpv.

We used to think that smoking caused all these oral, laryngeal and lung cancers, certainly men smoked more than women and smoking damages the lung and has carcinogens but now that we have made the mental leap to even consider HPV, we are starting to test all lung tumors and are shocked at how much HPV we are finding.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/cancer/articles/2011/04/04/hpv-might-be-linked-to-lung-cancer

I suppose one of the things driving this is that lung cancer rates are not falling as fast as we expected with the draconian anti-smoking laws we have.

Science is two steps forward one step back.

The story of HPV is just being written imagine, a wart that we can immunize against that causes a variety of cancers, we live in truley amazing and wonderful times.

The only thing I as a scientist really believe in is reality…..testing repeated then proven…..and that’s why I will always be an arch-antifeminist MRA.

But I do believe that cunnalingus should now be made a public health concern and the feminists have made it very clear that they own the media and will not help us men at all with anything, so we have to do it ourselves.

Sorry for the long post, there are so many many studies now that this is considered proven, although a scientist never says never.

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 02:53

OT

Good news, dates just got cheaper….now if someone would just import some women worth dating….forget it I’m going there….sooner rather than later it may seem.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/cheap_dates_EnfcHi7NwBAkD3RYMUWv6I?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsite

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AntZ October 22, 2011 at 05:09

“… include the carcinogenic “HPV” …”

There is a (so far) 100% effective vaccine against HPV related cancers, a drug called Guardasil. Guardasil is equally effecitve protecting women and men from this STD and from the cancer that this STD causes.

Our medical establishment knows this. However, in order to burnish their platinium credentials as man-haters and bigots, America’s doctors only perscribe Guardasil for women. There is no medical reason for this at all. The vaccine is equally effective for both sexes, and equally free of side effects for both sexes. However, only women have the opportunity to benefit from this life saving medication.

Why?

Because they are women, of course. We men are all lice infested beasts already afflicted by every manner of STD — there is no reason to protect us from infections that we already have. And boys are just vile, so no reason to protect them either.

Women, on the other hand, are virtuous godesses and must be spared no expense.

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AntZ October 22, 2011 at 05:15

@Rocco

There is very significant evidence that cunnilingus poses a threat of esophageal (throat) cancer:

http://www.destinationsante.com/Throat-cancer-fellatio-and-cunnilingus-pose-a-greater-risk-than.html

I have seen no credible evidence cunnilingus is commonly involved in lung cancer of non-smokers. It may be that smokers who also perform cunnilingus are at very high risk for lung cancer, though.

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 06:06

@ Antz

I just linked a popular press article stating that the medical community is serious starting to consider that HPV is a cause of many if not most lung cancers in non-smokers.

We’re just starting to look for it. Evidence that points to HPV as a cause of one of the most common types, squamous cell carcinoma is the kind of cancer usually caused by hpv (although cervical adenocarcinoma is caused by hpv), but lung squamous carcinoma’s occur centrally or where some type of particulates would stick to the mucous lining of the wind passages.

Lung cancer isn’t going down fast enough, the smart bet is HPV for alot of pulmonary squamous cell carcinoma’s but we’re just starting to check.

Other than the feminist trend started 30 years ago to prove your pussybegger cred, there’s no reason to put yourself at risk for oral cancer.

btw: The HPV is inhaled and strikes the back of the throat, it’s technically called oro-pharyngeal cancer. Esophageal cancer is considered lower down. The epidemic is in posterior tongue and oro-pharyngeal cancer in men only.

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 06:15

I know I’m going to sound really stupid here but years ago I proved my pussybegger cred and took a bunch of tantra classes over here is Malibu, it’s what crazy trim in LA requires other than fancy meals and trips.

There I learned women prefer fingers. The fingers are more dextrous and last longer, it’s easier to hit the spot…..men need to tell other men this stuff.

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Anonymous October 22, 2011 at 07:54

According to the US Government Center for Disease Control, there are racial disparities in sexually transmitted infections.

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Anonymous Reader October 22, 2011 at 08:05

AntZ, Gardasil does not provide 100% protection against HPV, it is effective against 4 strains only. About 30% of uterine cancers are caused by other strains. So Gardasil is 70% effective. Not 100%.

The only thing that would be 100% effective against HPV: only have sex with one person. Back in the 70′s and 80′s, studies on uterine cancer turned up extremely low rates within the Orthodox Jewish community. So for a time, it was claimed that circumcision somehow had a preventative effect on uterine cancer, it was pure correlation that was assumed to be causation. But the real story was simpler: Orthodox women in the 1920′s, 30′s, and 40′s were much more likely to be virgins when they married. They were much less likely to be exposed to HPV, and so their rates of uterine cancer were lower than the general population. Once again, what “everyone knew” in medical science turned out to be an assumption, a correlation that demonstrated a different causation. Scientists are people, just like the rest of us they can succumb to group think.

Rocco’s providing real useful information, here. It shouldn’t be a surprise that medical science has only recently started looking for virii in throat/esophagus/lung tumors, because for years “everyone knew” that those tumors were caused by smoking and/or alcohol – so why bother to look for a virus?

I’m reminded of the “story” of stomach ulcers. “Everyone knew” that they had to be caused by organic, internal stressors – because “everyone knew” that no bacteria could survive the acid. The guy who proposed a bacterial cause (H.Pylori) had to endure professional attacks, personal attacks, even death threats, because he was proposing a cause for ulcers that “everyone knew” was wrong. Only when he infected himself with H.Pylori, developed ulcers, then cured them with a carefullly administered course of antibiotics – only then was there grudging acceptance of the hypothesis.

It’s totally possible that aspirated HPV is causing the tumors in question, and that this fact is news to medical science. There’s a whole lot we don’t know about the human body because nobody’s yet asked the right question in the right way.

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Norm October 22, 2011 at 08:57

Antz
You say gardasil is 100 % effective. You should type in Gardasil Deaths in your search engine. This like the flu shot etc. are a waste of money and do more harm than good. My niece had a gardasil shot and passed out. She was lucky. You remember Rick Perry tried to make gardasil mandatory as did Communist governer Gerry Brown. No one can force this on anyone.

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Boxer October 22, 2011 at 09:11

Thanks to Rocco and Avenger for their succinct, informed and helpful commentary. This is one of the most valuable conversations I’ve seen on any men’s rights blogs anywhere, despite my two spankards’ attempts to derail it.

Best, Boxer

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Boxer October 22, 2011 at 09:19

Dear Manufactured Statistics:

Eventually as the internet develops, there will develop a site that is a sort of “Ring type” situation where bloggers like Boxer and Firepower can enter the ring and verbally cage fight.

There is no challenge in verbally fighting with halfwits like Firepower and Tharkas. It is amusing to note that in the latter case, Tharkas is still apparently smarting after I interacted with her briefly on a completely different site, which I haven’t visited in several months. Even now she is compelled to take a completely different name, and to make shit up about me for my amusement. She is my bitch, and will be my bitch forever.

This is also the destiny of Firepower and Keyster. Eventually I will grow bored of the discourse on the-spearhead, and will wander away to talk to other people. They’ll all desperately seek me out, taking various new sockpuppets (Firepower was outed as someone who needs multiple identities here back in July, IIRC) in a desperate attempt to get my affirmation.

I own these bitches, body and soul. I always will. I am the focus of their consciousness, and they think about me, apparently on a daily basis. Nothing pleases me more than this, as it places us all at our inborn levels on the totem pole. They have proven themselves worthy of no other title than that of “public toilet”, for me to use and discard as I see fit.

Regards, Boxer

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Troll King October 22, 2011 at 09:37

Hey, WF Price and Others. Have you seen this?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/she_plans_to_stray_awhile_opuo0dDOjE39dfRDdUZ1sM

Free empathy and a empathy table…lolz. I have been wondering what this OWS thing is actually about, and the more I see of it the more I am perplexed.

The article is about a woman married to a banker who abandons her family to run off to the OWS protests and now she is not going back.

She even compares herself to a soldier who abandons his family. My money is on her fucking the hippy dude she is hanging out with.

Typical Ameriskank.

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Boxer October 22, 2011 at 09:42

Typical Ameriskank.

Good. I hope she divorces her bankster husband. It’s about time some of these wealthy assholes who buy and sell, while producing nothing, get a heavy dose of the “female empowerment” they’ve so long pushed on the working class men in this country.

It’s doubtful he’ll want her back, after a couple of weeks of getting cornholed by the hippies and std-addled layabouts in that crowd.

Regards, Boxer

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 09:43

@ Anonymous Reader

You get it very well. Science is a process. Feminism is the opposite process. In science we are happy and excited that something goes faster than light….yeah! we’re completely wrong! We can learn something!

The issue with stomach and H. Pylori bacteria is being considered for a Nobel Prize….now do you know what we think that bacteria causes? Somach lymphoma called MALTOMA (mucosal associated lymphoma).

But imagine how wrong we were, spectaculary wrong….how many couples broke up over a bacterial infection that causes stomach aches and ulcers…..amazing really, and all in my lifetime.

A triumph of science over the vested financial interests, they slow us down but the truth wins out….until title IX stabs it’s stake into the heart of the search for knowledge and makes it into a 4 H club for nerdy queen bees.

Having seen so many cases of cancer in smokers including my own father and am convinced it caused at least some of the lung, laryngeal, mouth and lip cancer but only when you remove all the variables….like I said…..and my patients give me high marks on clear explanations of cancer subjects……we don’t know everything but right now, cool it on snorching the cooch.

Snorching the cooch leads to losing the range boys, I know it makes us seem submissive, and they use it as a litmus test to see if we’re feminized but is it worth your tongue and think of it like this, if 4000 men die of this a year and 4000 are cured that’s 8000 men or almost as many as die in car accidents per year that get this ugly form of VD.

37,000 die in car accidents that’s a quarter off all the car accidnents for perspective.

I have two goal with this campaign…..100% male HPV vaccination…volentary….and alot of pissed off feminists that the mrm stopped men frm doing the risky business for little return….have you ever read what women think of mens snorching ability…….they prefer women so let women set up snortching salons filled with tonguless fem-prostitutes….I’m sure they’ll relable it lingular labial massage and make it legal….pervs.

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Davd October 22, 2011 at 09:51

Looks to me like the message was read and many of the comments are filling in details (though some remind me of the old Pentecostal joke “you ain’t confessin’, Brother, you’s braggin’.”)

I’ve gained quite a few useful facts and details from all these comments — thanks.

(btw, i recently read that the population of Africa is much more diverse genetically than the rest of the world. Be that so, any sweeping statements about mutations in African populations would be dubious–they might apply to some but it would take a huge amount of replication to assure they applied Africa-wide.)

My abstinence is not so much from fear of infection–i know how to buy and put on condoms, avoid cunniling[/ct]us, and to some extent estimate how risky a woman’s history is–as it is from age ["pushing 70"] and some social influence by fellow Christians. Then too, the women who are within 15 years of my age might not turn out exciting enough to make it easy for an old man to maintain an erection in a condom. ..

… and the prospect of sharing a home with one, is less appealing than a “monastery of action before chanting” with 5-20 good brothers. I spent three weeks in a Benedictine cloister [not the guest house], liked the experience, like men’s company, and if i ever had a distracting need for sex, it was back when i was the age my sons are now.

One reason living with a woman doesn’t appeal to me is divorce theft and cohabitation analogue–once bitten, more than twice shy. Anyway, after that “theft”, i have lived quite frugally, so most women would prefer a man with more money and different spending habits. And i would rather go out in the woods with my dog Fritz, improve the forest, pick a few mushrooms for the kitchen, maybe bring back a little firewood, than go shopping or to the kind of Tea Party that the phrase means outside the USA.

My main education, since others have mentioned theirs, is in experimental and statistical sociology [PhD 1966, U/Washington-Seattle], and self-learnt eco-forestry. Epidemiology could be considered a subset of statistical ecology, so i find most epidemiological writing fairly easy to understand. I know quite well that we can’t get really high quality statistical estimates of infection rates without testing a probability sample [and all of them, to be rigorous about it] which i doubt even 80% of the sample would consent-to. What we have are educated guesses, with some data “behind them”.

Good thing success in life isn’t measured in “pussies” [nor dollars].

Rocco October 22, 2011 at 10:03

@ Anonymous Reader

Now I make a huge effort to ape our sisters and only concern myself with mens heath issues but the uterine cancer story is interesting again because how we get here tells you how sure we are about what we know and how to learn to read articles more critical manner.

The theory is that uterine cancer develops in two main conditions. One in which eggs don’t pop, multifollicular ovarian diseases, or a scar on th ovarian surface which keeps the eggs from popping.

Before the eggs pop the cells around the eggs make all that estrogen we here about. Once it pops the estrogen goes down and progesterone up so the process of a menstral cycle, a failed attempt at making life occurs.

If the egg is fertilized the egg encourages the uterine cells to become a placenta with makes lots of estrogen.

So a drop in estrogen is essential for the menstrual cycle to kill the lining cells then have these shed off….along with any precancers.

If a woman doesn’t have babies she sheds less and never sheds vigourously like during birth. Obese women or women taking estrogen have very high risks of uterine cancer. A childless feminist is likely to die of uterine cancer.

Here is a very nice and complete fact sheet from the National Cancer Institute that tells you all about the subtypes….remember it’s simplified and written for the lay press and is encouraging vaccinations:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV

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Tharkas October 22, 2011 at 10:13

I’m probably not worthy of addressing the guy who uses sex as his rope to an ego that is both demonstrative of how limited and hypocritical he is, but he is also incapable of realizing that he’s the one being used, not the females he’s remotely having sex with. You don’t kiss them; you gotta treat the sexual interaction as a quarantine to what you know they harbor, and I suspect that you’re probably the hub of many a std that clinical test failed to detect.

Maybe you should consider utilizing a radioactive suit during your endeavors with the females who bang any guy with ‘game’, whereas your self-respect and your manhood is defined and derived from being a woman’s pussy-beggar(albeit in a more advanced stage of the infection that pussy-addiction), the females look at you as their boytoy and as nothing more than a walking dick.

I wasn’t aware that my nickname, based on one of the major characters from the barsoom franchise was a clear indicator of my status as a member of the female gender. I must have confused this guy, the originator of my modified nickame

hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tars_Tarkas

With this gal;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejah_Thoris

You’re a funny kid. You think you know anything because you’re having sex with 20-something women and you’re also pumped up by the retardations of being in your early 20′s. Yet, the majority of the men in this blog are double your age and they know what they’re talking about.

Who do you think new readers are going to listen to? The kid who is a toilet seat infected with undiagnosed stds – that would be you – who is also incapable of distinguish male posters from female posters and who is obsessed with women?

I’m sorry that your brilliant intellect has obfuscated your selective memory and your imagination; you didn’t interact with me briefly on the now-dissolved mgtw forum because I was a lurker. I just happen to have a near-perfect memory and I remember your endless posts about being a real man, for you have slept with this and that woman.

I reckon that you must be the son of a rich daddy , if you have time to sleep with more than a hundred females in your 2 very short decades of life , or maybe you’re a stray sheep from the sosuave forum, a keyboard jockey with nothing more to do than creating out-stretchering fantasies of what a real man is.

The irony in all of this is that you assume that every celibate is not in his ”’predicament” by choice. I must beg for your understanding. My inferior brain doesn’t permit me to understand the concealed motivations of a kid who;

1)is in his early 20′s
2))Intercourses with single moms who’ve had dozens upon dozens of sexual partners
3)puts his life’s integrity on a sheet of latex that was created not to provide sanctuary from stds, but to make as much money as possible
4) argues on a forum for men above the age of 16 that he’s a superior male.
5)has laid more than a 100 women who’ve more likely than not slept with hundreds of men, a hundred penises, each woman is likely to have had.
6)Is clearly out of his environment.

Thanks for the chat. As a young man almost your own age, I need to find myself some role models of what not to be – you are everything that I abhor.

Godspeed!

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Boxer October 22, 2011 at 10:21

Dear Bitch Tharkas:

I guess you couldn’t find any of those conversations to link to, where I supposedly boasted about all this nonsense, eh? So much for my other bitch Firepower’s challenge.

Thanks for the chat. As a young man almost your own age, I need to find myself some role models of what not to be – you are everything that I abhor.

Hatred is a form of worship, bitch. You are proving my ownership with each new spewing of frantic fabrications, in lieu of any real argument. You are my bitch, truly, and I own your soul. As you are today, so will the bitch Firepower be tomorrow. It is only a question of time. Your worship brings me mirth, bitches, and I am pleased that you know your inborn role.

Godspeed!

You are not going anywhere. I own your sorry ass. LOLOLOL!

Regards, Boxer

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 10:32

Well risks is risks and it there’s no risk it probably isn’t worth doing. But I believe in knowing your risks and taking precautions.

When, not if but when, I soon move to Thailand and Rio part time, I will let you know my own personal study on the risks of promiscuity with young hot women.

Do you know what they teach us in med school? We’re all gonna die….I want to die happy. Die in my sleep with Mia on one side and Pong on the other….MGTOW are such a sad lot…..lol.

btw: Home HIV kits work great, if you meet a girl get you both tested for less than dinner out and then you know the most important thing is cool.

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Tharkas October 22, 2011 at 10:36

Boxer October 22, 2011 at 10:21,

the entirety of the mgtow forum was deleted when the feminists closed it. Your ramblings didn’t warrant safe-keeping as that was a forum dedicated to men who wanted nothing to do with women and I saw nothing useful in recording the words of a male-slut.

Does your hatred for human beings actually breeds success with women? I have never met a guy who, when confronted, resorts to emotional outbursts of owning this and that as if we’ re 8 year old kids measuring our penises. I shouldn’t be so harsh. Prolonged interaction with women gives birth to the metro-sexual male.

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Common Monster October 22, 2011 at 10:40

FWIW, one of my sisters is an MD, and specializes in infectious diseases, not really STDs now, though she has worked w/HIV-AIDS patients in the past. She’s told me, from casual conversations with her cohort of fellow lady MDs she’s known over the years, that about a third past the age of about thirty have difficulty conceiving, to some degree or another.

Whether this is from falling fertility, STDs, or simple genetic incompatibilty w/their current partner (this used to be a major cause of divorce back during the days of Marriage ~1.0), she couldn’t say — because this is not an aspect of the increased attention to “women’s health” which has, well, gotten very much attention.

It’s only one very fuzzy datapoint, but it’s something. More and better quantitative info in this area should be part of the MRA
platform — and response to the “man up and get married” crowd. Can they reasonably certify the fertility and disease-free nature of their widdle angels?

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Boxer October 22, 2011 at 10:40

Dear Bitch Tharkas:

the entirety of the mgtow forum was deleted when the feminists closed it. Your ramblings didn’t warrant safe-keeping as that was a forum dedicated to men who wanted nothing to do with women and I saw nothing useful in recording the words of a male-slut.

Thank you for admitting that you made all this shit up about me.

Does your hatred for human beings actually breeds success with women? I have never met a guy who, when confronted, resorts to emotional outbursts of owning this and that as if we’ re 8 year old kids measuring our penises. I shouldn’t be so harsh. Prolonged interaction with women gives birth to the metro-sexual male.

The forum you’re describing was closed over a year ago, by my count. I don’t even remember any of the people I interacted with there.

If you are still butt-hurt after a year, then I do own you. That’s not a statement of egoism, but just a simple fact. You will nurse your impotent grudge until the grave.

There are others of your type here. Meet Firepower and Keyster. Together, you three will dance for my amusement, just as you are doing now. I’ll enjoy it, as will the spectators.

Regards, Boxer

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 11:53

@ Common Monster

The facts of conception after 25 are dismal…..sorry, it’s bad for estate planning but if you want your shit to stay in your family men will have to force their wives to get involved in actually helping pimple face pick the woman who has the right and power to ruin his life.

Young boys need help desperately. I fear only bringing back arranged marriages will stop the fleecing of the most productive americans before they even get started producing…..and I’m a libertarian……I hope these guys eat, pray and screw to their hearts content….it’s never been safer in the history of man.

Remember: Antibiotics are only a century old.

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Migu October 22, 2011 at 12:10

The irony in all of this is that you assume that every celibate is not in his ”’predicament” by choice.

I understand your sentiment.

It is a waste of time, and a waste of thought. Nobody will ever understand it is by choice unless they make that choice.

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Anonymous Reader October 22, 2011 at 13:31

Rocco, I can’t help but wonder what long term effect hormonal birth control has on all that fancy plumbing. The endocrine system is not some simple videogame. Does dosing with estrogens, some of them synthetic, in the most fertile years have a long term effect on, say, uteral lining? What effect does “pretend pregnancy” have on the breasts after 20 years? And so forth, and so on.

Given the known mutagenic properties of certain strains of HPV, I wonder if anyone has spent any time poking around in prostate tumors looking for signs of HPV in there. Yeah, it’s a long hike up the urethra, but is that a total barrier? Or is it, like everything else, an issue of probabilities?

I did not mean to imply that breathing in a bonfire every day would not cause cancer, but merely was trying to point out that when medical science is convinced it has the culprit in a disease, it often stops looking and thus other culprits may get away. So it appears with the various head/neck/lung tumors – if “everyone knows” that booze and tobacco and maybe industral stuff causes them, who would bother to look for HPV? I’m just glad someone finally is, that’s all.

So if oral cancers due to vaginally aquired HPV are increasing, it is only a matter of time before cunnilingus starts dropping off of the menu for single guys. Now that I understand your point, Rocco, I’m all in favor of it.

Never been to Thailand, used to know some folks who did go there. Away from Bang-cock, it is supposed to be a pretty tolerable place. However, the Thai are quite ethnocentric – a farang like you on the one hand is exotic and will get attention in good ways, but also you will pay top price for everything from a piece of gum to a house, because you are farang. It’s not just white people, Thai are the same way about Chinese. I thought that HIV testing at home still had too high of an error probability to be useful?

Thanks for all the links. Useful stuff.

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Nico October 22, 2011 at 14:04

If MRAs need inspirational characters, few would be as deserving as this heroic father, Andre Bamberski, who finally managed to have the killer of his teenage daughter condemned for his crime:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE79L1WG20111022

Information on the case and a picture of this fantastic man:

http://mandrillussphynx.blogspot.com/2011/03/bamberski.html

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Boxer October 22, 2011 at 17:09

this heroic father, Andre Bamberski, who finally managed to have the killer of his teenage daughter condemned for his crime:

That is a stand-up guy. No doubt.

I think it’s humorous and awesome that he dumped him, alive and well, in front of the courthouse. I think most would have just killed him and buried him or something.

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Avenger October 22, 2011 at 18:15

David writes ‘(btw, i recently read that the population of Africa is much more diverse genetically than the rest of the world.’

So you read something somewhere and you just accept it as a fact? First of all, I was referring to the Africans that we classify as Negro and the topic was genetic mutations that protect against diseases. These mutations were just random and are not an adaptation to thousands of years of being exposed to certain diseases anymore than they were in Europe. When there were plague epidemics in Europe a certain % of the people were immune because they just happened to have a mutation that did not effect their health in any way but protected them from the plague. The survivors with this harmless mutation went on to reproduce so that if you have 2 copies you’re immune to plague (probably also smallpox and HIV as well) and if you have only 1 copy you may get these diseases in a mild form.
As I said before, genetic mutations are almost always detrimental. African Negroes also have random genetic mutations but all of them have been shown to be harmful. The chance mutation that just happened to make you immune to malaria causes sickle cell anemia if both parents carry a copy.
Diversity? I have no idea how diverse the Negro sub Saharra population of Africa is. Genetic science is in its infancy and wasn’t even admissible in court 20 years ago, and even today it’s just used to exclude. They made a big thing about DNA in the OJ case but that genetic profile could have also applied to his son if he were the suspect. My guess is that the people living on the Euro-Asia landmass are the most diverse because for the last few hundred thousand years they have been migrating back and forth while 10k years ago the Negro race was a handful of people clinging to the west African coast and just spread from there. We are also aware of the diversity in parts of Africa. Remember Rwanda and the Hutu and Tutsis? Well there are racial differences between the two groups. The Tutsi are a Negro Hamitic group while the Hutu are Bantu. The Hamites of course are from the family or clan of Ham, one of Noah’s sons and were Caucasians who lived in the middle East. That clan later colonised areas in East Africa and this is probably how the myth of Ham’s descendant’s being cursed and turned black began. That Hutu-Tutsi war was really a race war.

@Monster-and how is this alleged infertility in females in their 30′s connected to sexually transmited diseases? Any proof? I could just as easily claim that the fact that 5x as many females are fat today than in the past and that their yo-yo dieting is causing fluctuations in hormone levels and that’s the cause. Or that the 90% reduction in fat consumption (you need certain fats for reproduction) over the past 30 yrs. is causing infertility. Or that reduced fat and sugar consumption which have been replaced with other chemicals and substances are causing infertility. Or that sperm counts are lower than in the past and the infertility is caused by the male (actually the cause of infertility historically has always been 50/50 male/female) I think that a lot of people on here just want to blame the female for everything.
There are people on here like Welmer and a few others who really did have big problems with divorces, courts, law etc ;BUT you also have complete losers who could never get a female due to some defect they had, could never succeed at anything or make any real money and they are just bitter and mad at the world and use females as their scapegoat.
Now watch the losers accuse me of being a female or mangina lol

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Rocco October 22, 2011 at 20:55

OT

This peace is the very definition of pussy begger which even feminists like those above are the most detestable low lifes that no woman would want to fuck and every guy would like to fuck over:

I give you…..the Pussybegger Extreme:

http://www.groin.com/parasites/

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Migu October 22, 2011 at 22:55

Good point avenger.

Seems to me the women are a symptom of a greater problem

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E October 23, 2011 at 01:36

Quartermain

The sexual revolution like the French and Russian Revolutions promised Heaven on Earth but delivered the opposite.

I think the more bold the promises then the more likely it will fail. For example if I said I have invented a new ideology that promises universal health care, free college education, and an end to poverty well damn now that’s going to be an impossible promise to keep.
but
Instead if I said I have an ideology that will deliver prosperity to 75% of society while the other 25% will just have to get left behind now that’s a promise that can be delivered.

Of course this is common sense, but what is the basis of Liberalism (which btw the sexual revolution is a subset of)….why yes of course making very BOLD promises. Trying to explain to a dumb person that they really don’t understand as much as they think they do can be a thankless job. It’s much easier to just relax. Let the fools rush in and get what they deserve.

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oddsock October 23, 2011 at 03:41

Boxer

Thanks for your support over on the Paul Elam website. I think I upset firepower keyster and a few other manginas. lol. I am sure you can make your own connections

Sadly, I was very wrong about Paul Elam and his website/radio. I had suspicions but ignored them. It is simply a scam to extract money from the pain of men.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 03:44

Oddsock,

Wait what? Are you being sarcastic?

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oddsock October 23, 2011 at 03:59

Migu

Sarcastic?

Hmmm. No. I could be wrong about Paul but I doubt it. If I am wrong then I can only suggest his site has been compromised by sock puppets. Then again I still remember only too well Pauls totally bizare out burst he had a while ago. He went totally postal on here at a guy that had simply refused to make a money donation but offered some technical support. It was very similar to the outbursts we see from Keyster firepower. Bizare out of context and totally un needed.

Simply my opinion. If you think otherwise? Fine.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 04:41

I usually only read the articles.

I must’ve missed something. I don’t believe in a free lunch, but I hate a manipulator.

Can you point me to where you see it? I’ve donated there and hear, if its money into scanners scheme I’d like to know.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 04:42

Blame autocorrect. I hope you understood that post.

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oddsock October 23, 2011 at 04:50

Migu

It is admirable you contribute to any MRA website. I myself try to make a few small donations here and their. I am simply choosy about who I will support. Paul Elams is just not one of them. Simply a personal choice.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 04:57

I’m not trying to start a fight. I’m curious. You see I’ve thrown money after garbage before. Been thoroughly duped. I haven’t given anything in a long while due to my own suspicion. Perhaps I’m not the only one. Just trying to see if my suspicion is my own, or if it is shared.

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AfOR October 23, 2011 at 06:06

Oddsock is talking about me.

my take
http://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/pull-up-a-chair/
and
http://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/its-all-a-matter-of-perspective/

Purely by coincidence I could then post the most innocuous stuff, eg “Thanks for the effort Bill” and it would get red arrowed.

Site like the Spearhead and indeed MGTOW forums etc all basically cut into the audience share of places like AVFM, and as soon as sites go commercial that means cutting into their income.

Plus, AVFM supports NAWALT, which is a crock of shit, and has pet cunt contributors.

As Bill has said many times, actually running a site complete with domain and hosting and bandwidth costs can be done well for less than 100 bucks a year, where the money goes is time spent editing a site and not out earning a living, Bill is honest about this and holds his hat out.

AVFM isn’t, IMHO

YMMV etc etc

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 07:02

@ AVFM

Thanks so much for coming here. I support both sites as well as mens reddit. To me, continuing the path of great MRA internet activists starting with Fathermag.com then Stand Your Ground, for a while Mens News Daily.

But I have alot of respect for oddsock, and it’s not just because all my socks seem to never really match, the only true way living with a woman improved my life.

I sense oddsock sees the mrm in a similar way that I do. Now Paul Elam, who I assume AVFM is, if it’s not you Paul, you should do it because we will be forced to judege his or her statements as being those of your site, which, like it or not, is a “faction” of the MRM and will differ.

Just as any political movement goes through stages we are in a novice stage with some divisions being set up. IMO, having 17 years in labor organization experience, these divisions should be worked out amoungst the principals……Paul and Welmer on the phone…..for the greater good of the movement.

I fully support AVFM. Paul brings his psychological training to this making him both effective, difficult to counter, bold and fair in his assessments…..I heard him speak publically and his manner and credentials are as big or bigger than Kimmel….his main nemesis….a social worker and so completely incompetent to over rule Paul with his degree and experience in the recongized superior and more mature fieild of psychology.

As far as theory goes, the aestics at the Spear-Head can’t be beat, sorry Paul….if you don’t like it….up your game and start some cross polination.

My goal is a cohesive movement. I don’t care about the details of philosophy that is adopted, some one has to win and someone lose for us to gain the increased politcal traction to effect change.

We have credibitity now that canot be purchased or removed. We said feminism sucked way before anyone else, a group of lone lonely outcast fathers and men who cared enough to scream on the intenet under psydomneyms for fear of our lives, livelihoods and loss of family and freedom.

The very worst thing we can do is publically bicker. We are all in this together, solidaritiy is our strongest weapon……

We are winning and will win, but we need to tranistion now to an group that assists men so men will join us. Let’s use our vast knowledgs of how we got here to help men who are confused by the blue pill and be men about it.

And tell someone to fuck off if they need to be told to fuck off……the world is hungry for us to stop pretending to be politically correct.

And they both fear and lust for internal conflicts…..the only thing that can stop us now.

btw Paul: Their all like that…..it’s the law that’s like that, we need to change the law. I think legalized taxed prostitution is a concept whose time has come, right now, with the budget crisis.

Polotics is the art of timing……the time for action on revenue generating ideas is now you politcal leaders you.

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Mr. J October 23, 2011 at 07:05

If Paul Elam is providing something people see as valuable, why shouldn’t he be able to make a living at it and not be working at some other “job” somewhere???
Should Jay Leno be able to “make a living” at what he does?

If so, then why shouln’t Paul???

The same with this site.

THINK a little.

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 07:13

I have givien it alot of thought and I think the up and down buttons must remain, they are essential for understanding how to improve writing and communications skills and in obtaining straw polls much like social movement gatherings under tents that have probably been going on for about 25,000 years now give or take 10,000 years…..but we have the internet and can do this with the leaders from China, Britain, USSR, Israeal…………….

But please put back the buttons (it’s also critical for troll patrol).

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ahamkara October 23, 2011 at 07:13

The worst STD of all is the legal system. That is a weak segue but I could not resist posting a link to this article, where a woman complains about support and all these divorced guys come out of the woodwork to tell her what the real problems are. It is great to see these guys out there telling it like it is. Yep one of them is me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgialee-lang/5-support-arguments-that-_b_1014865.html

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 07:24

I’m sorry, I missed something…..is this about money….

I think the MRM should make the world pay to learn what they need to know to get control over these young ferel children the “State” has now raised.

If they want our help, generous donations to our political out lets like A Voice For Men, or The Spear-Head would be nice.

I mean, simply legitimize them in your vast media empire idiot.

Tell your editors to feature them then buy them like you did Ms. Magazine.

Or are you too cheap and unwilling to help. Well, if you think those womens studies grad students on wall street were a riot…..just wait….those are the riot pretend crew……and yes……we all have guns……count them……more than your paid for police.

We will march through your wall street and the shame of all those young men marching without jobs and without hope for the very basic human need of a family will be on you and it you were half the men your forefathers were we wouldn’t need our hunting rifles, you would jump from your window in shame……but you have none, you sold it to your wife and lesbian daughter…..now what would have happened if those men hadn’t jumped?

Mobs burn newspapers first.

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Ted October 23, 2011 at 07:25

oddsock October 23, 2011 at 04:50
“… Pauls totally bizare out burst he had a while ago. He went totally postal on here at a guy that had simply refused to make a money donation but offered some technical support.”

Yeah, I remember that. Seemed to me that the guy could be seen two ways: as making a genuine offer to help; or as one of those armchair critics whose “assistance” is worse than doing nothing. Paul chose the second option. He very likely was stressed out. The radio show comes around every week… what are you going to give us this week? We are all sitting here in our armchairs ready to pass judgment…

A couple of times he has pointed out the show schedule is four weeks on and one week off. It may be my imagination, but I think I hear some relief when it’s the week off.

AVfM, Register-Her, the radio show, other activism… he has a couple of times remarked about the effect on his health and I can well believe it.

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Ted October 23, 2011 at 07:42

@AfOR October 23, 2011 at 06:06

“… NAWALT, which is a crock of shit, …”

Yes, AWALT, given the right circumstances.

But things are more complicated than that. Sometimes, in some circumstances, you are better off with women. Your site, for example, seems to be mostly about how you just can’t seem to get away from women.

In a non skank ho example, take a jury trial for rape. It’s often been said that women jurors can be harder on the poor sobbing victim than the men – they are not distracted by her tits. I’ve sat on such a jury and I can confirm this.

Men and women are not equal. Men are better at some things. But… women are better at some things too. It would be good to take advantage of those things. However, the way things are now, that’s difficult and generally not worth the risk. Nice trick if you can manage it, though.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 08:06

I don’t see any comments by an AVFM.

I was honestly curious as to why some guys would be pissed at Paul.

I’ve been reading his content for a few years. I like it and if it was a newspaper I might even subscribe.

I can tell something was deleted above. So to clarify……

I cut all charitable donations recently. I have my own reasons and they don’t have anything to do with the character of the people providing services such as the Spearhead or AVFM.

Thank you AfOR for answering my question.

And just to be clear. A gift is a gift. I don’t expect anything in return not even a thank you.

Personally I wouldn’t accept a donation from someone who said “If I donate I get…….” That is what an investor does.

If any one of these guys pull a salary from what their donations bring in, I could care less.

To be honest I would’ve already incorporated a website like this if I had the talent to keep it going. I would draw a salary from the revenues. There is nothing wrong with that IMO.

When you provide a valuable service people pay you. If you are volunteering, people give to you. Each one will allow a salary and/or a means to live.

The other alternative is to take from others. That never turns out very well.

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 08:07

Dear Oddsock:

Thanks for your support over on the Paul Elam website. I think I upset firepower keyster and a few other manginas. lol. I am sure you can make your own connections

Keyster/Firepower has already been outed as a feminist plant. Think man boobs pretending to be an MRA and making a fool out of herself, in an attempt to fragment the movement. The comments here are a good example:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/07/28/false-alarm-roissycitizen-renegade-online-at-heartiste-wordpress-com/

She used to go over to in mala fide and bash the contributors and commenters here (she called Welmer “dadgina” and she had other names for some of the rest of you guys, you can google it easily enough).

I did/do have sort of a problem with the fact that you brought it up under Izzey’s article, and I’m not white knighting, I just saw it as unfortunate. If a male rape victim had written such a post I’d feel the same way, but that’s something we can discuss in private or further in this thread if you’d like.

I don’t think Elam is purposely evil, he’s simply too busy to judge character. I’ve seen him fly off the handle as well, and I’ve seen his underlings (not firepower/keyster, but another one) slam people. One of them was a student I referred there after he came back from the Iraqi war to find his wife shacked up with a new boyfriend. I’ll never donate money to AVFM nor do I refer men there any longer. There’s often decent content there though, and I think (despite the suspected infiltration) it still serves a useful purpose for men. Keyster/firepower is pretty destructive mangina, but she hasn’t been able to totally derail the site.

All this is just my opinion, though. Do as you will, my brother.

Regards, Boxer

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oddsock October 23, 2011 at 08:11

AfOR

Not quite about you mate. Although it was pretty close. In a nut shell I made a comment on the rfecent article written by Izzy on her bad experience and love of her father. Nothing negative I simply stated how it was a sad and interesting article but I added that I found equally interesting many of the comments that had been left by white knights and how sad it was that they cannot offer such kind words and support for men. Many of them were puke worthy. As I expected, I was attacked by the resident manginas for committing the most holy of holy sins. I dared to take the focus of attention away from the praise giver (woman) and call them out on being white knight manginas. Which many of them proved beyond all doubt.

Anyway, it has confirmed my instincts are correct, at least about the site and some of it’s members. Not my cup of tea. I will not be supporting it.

TED

I hear what you are saying about Pauls health. IMHO it’s simple really. If it’s affecting him so badly then he needs to stop it or change his committment level or techniques. However, for me, there is just something that does not feel right about the whole set up. Just a gut feeling, if you get my drift?

Rocco

I do not deserve your respect mate, I suspect I am just the same as you and many others. I am a recovering mangina trying to figure out where and what I should/could be doing to help myself and other men.

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oddsock October 23, 2011 at 08:27

Boxer

No problem. I share very similar views on AVfM.

IMHO It is always a bad deal to allow a woman onto an MRA website. Conflict is a cert.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 08:34

Keyster/firepower is pretty destructive mangina, but she hasn’t been able to totally derail the site.

I missed all of this.

I’ve tangoed with both Firepower and Keyster. I’ve heard Keyster on the radio. Was that not him?

You are saying Elam, Firepower, and Keyster are all on the same team?

Is there really this much backstabbing going on?

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 08:39

No problem. I share very similar views on AVfM.

IMHO It is always a bad deal to allow a woman onto an MRA website. Conflict is a cert.

My traditional suspicions aren’t with Izzey, but with the woman named “Dr. T.”, who, if you’ve seen her prices, is making a whole lotta dough off the backs of abused men. Strangely enough, I don’t think she’s an evil person either. She’s just taking advantage of an opportunity and probably providing a service in return. It’s capitalism and all. But. Well. It just looks strange, as you said. Something I can’t put my finger on.

I had never brought this up over there, because, well, it’s Elam’s site. He’s paying the bills so he can have whatever friends or associates do whatever he wants there.

Best, Boxer

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AfOR October 23, 2011 at 08:45

@ oddsock, now you mention it I remember that too…

@ Ted

if you go back to the thread in question you’ll see I stated specifically that I have a lot of hands on experience of streaming radio stations on the net, and I offered that for free, which is in reality seeing as it is my trade offering US$10k worth of consultancy for free, what I got was basically “Fuck off, we are doing it our way, now give us money or fuck off”

Unlike Elam and some of the others here I have been the victim of a double false rape accusation, I don’t take kindly to “people” who basically haven’t walked in my shoes telling me I am the fucking armchair general and I am no use to “their” movement unless I open my wallet, which is what bitches do.

Like oddsock I have formed my own opinion.

Elem et at do not speak in my name.
No “person” who so openly consorts with wimminz on forums for men who have suffered badly (and I do not speak of myself and my FRA and losing my kids, plenty other men have had it FAR fucking worse than that, EP for one) and who supports them more than men can go and fuck themselves.

So can anyone who defends them.

This is NOT a fucking political movement or ideology, this is guerilla warfare prior to the outbreak of real warfare and economic collapse.

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 08:46

Migu:

I’ve tangoed with both Firepower and Keyster.

Really? Post a link. The only interactions I’ve had with you were when you were helping them fabricate lies about me. (I’m a communist, remember?) Sorta like you did up above, with your supportive comments for “Tharakas”, the “new” contributor for the spearhead. Apparently I’m a PUA now, who has fucked hundreds of white trash women, ostensibly including Tharakas’ mom and sisters.

Keyster and Firepower certainly do collaborate to do plenty of damage to this site. I don’t care, because, (as with AVFM) I don’t pay the bills here. Welmer can let them raise hell here if Welmer wants. I enjoy kicking their asses and watching them squeal when I have some spare time, so it’s a win-win.

Regards, Boxer

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 08:55

Yeah I remember boxer.

It was about Jeb and Gramsci if I recall.

See now I’m confused. I’m starting to think this all a big scam, aside from Shannon, Vilar, and the old greats like Schopenhaur.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 08:56

I wasn’t supporting him, but I’ve chosen celibacy. Game exhausted me.

That is why I only quoted that part.

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oddsock October 23, 2011 at 08:59

Migu

AVfM experience is of no major importance. Perhaps it will develop into something of real value to all men? Lets hope so. I still suspect it has been infiltrated.

Regarding firepower. I find her tactics quite amusing and I do find it difficult not to tease her.

Her technique is quite basic really. Very similar to that used to great effect by the emotional terrorist to cause confusion and conflict.

She will write a really good post, often very supportive of men. That’s the bait. The switch comes when she is asked a very simple and polite question. The poster is then given a broadside of insults etc leaving them angry and confused while at the same time de railing the thread.

To add further potential for conflict she will often make clearly racist comments or a slight against a particular religion. Again, this is the bait, she then sits back and hopes for yet another derailment of the thread and hopefully internal conflict.

You can see the pattern very clearly. She also sock puppets and posts under different names. If Keyster is not one and the same she/he has a very similar style/tactic.

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 09:00

See now I’m confused. I’m starting to think this all a big scam, aside from Shannon, Vilar, and the old greats like Schopenhaur.

Are you getting something out of it?

That’s really the only relevant question. No one else can answer it for you.

As for me, I get plenty of laughs out of the dullards featured on register-her dot com (they put ol’ Jessica Valenti up there and she screeched for weeks – it was hilarious). I’m a bit more moderate than many, so I enjoy parts of Elam’s work. I think he’s an old school guy who may be a bit naive about females in some cases, but parts of his work pay for themselves many times over.

But, that’s me. I also think every man should judge for himself and seek out places with which he resonates. What I find useful, oddsock might find totally worthless. In the end, that’s not only ok, but exactly as it should be.

Best, Boxer

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 09:01

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/03/05/the-american-wife/

I got into with firepower here. There are others but I really don’t feel like searching. I just remember that one because It’s mine.

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 09:06

Migu:

That’s cool. I apologize for misjudging you. I have a tendency to hold grudges, and do that sometimes… possibly a manifestation of my anima (feminine side) as Freud would say. Gramsci would probably say something about it too, but I know not what. ;p

Best, Boxer

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 09:08

I think thier saying that Keyster and Firepower are the same person and that Paul Elam is a great guy who’s over worked and doesn’t know that Keyster/Firepower is the same person and really working against mra’s.

I see this through the view of politics. I treat it like political theatre which is what poltitics is…your lying but we call it theatre.

In truth if Paul wasn’t tired he’d be wierd, thanks Paul, your a tsunami that just hit the mrm you go boy.

If Firepower or Keyster are plants their damn competent at rousing the troops with great messages so they may be helping us more than hurting us……hahahaha last laugh on you keyster/firepower (I don’t believe that, but it was fun to say).

Sorry oddsock….you know too much we need you your respect from me was earned

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oddsock October 23, 2011 at 09:19

AfOR

Hear hear mate. Well met. I share the same feelings.

Boxer

I don’t have any issues with Izzy. I simply don’t trust her. Perhaps I am too jaded? I did cringe though when I listened to that Dr T A women operating as a Shrink for men ? To Pauls Elams credit he did explain quite a few things to her very well indeed. Alarmingly though not surprising. She appears clueless as to what why and how men have been affected. Feckin scary and exactly why I left counselling. It is full of these women.

P.s

Having a degree in or having psychological training has little bearing on counselling. Empathy is the main tool and to have true Empathy you need to have experienced a similar pain. I mean the pain felt by men. Expecting a woman to have this essential component is the same as expecting them to understand male bonding on a soccer pitch or battle field. If you get me drift ? I suspect it is a shrewd business move on her part and will no doubt get quite a few male clients from Pauls website.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 09:25

coxer

(Firepower was outed as someone who needs multiple identities here back in July, IIRC) in a desperate attempt to get my affirmation.

oddsod, rocco et al

You are liars.
Dumb ones, too
I’ve been here since the first week the site was up.
Longer than all of you combined.
At roissy’s, too.

Your paranoid ramblings,
drooling rants and thoughtfarts
rife with slobbering internet paranoia are the deeds of fools.

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 09:31

Sorry AfOR

Got confused there, but the Keyster/Firepower puns were too precious for me to contain.

I love your blog and read it all the time, I enjoy the links you put to pertanent articles.

Yes, this is a gorrilla war, luckily the otherside taught us the personal is political and I, as I know from reading your site, see eye to eye with you on the way in which woman want to be treated.

They seem very confused about how to behave socially.

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 09:32

Hey Oddsock:

Thanks for explaining, I understand better now.

I don’t think it’s my job to tell you that you’re “too jaded” or otherwise wrong. You could just as readily describe me as “too naive”.

I mainly see Izzey as harmless. She’s a literary type who writes well. When she’s among us she tries to be supportive (from my perspective, of course).

You and AfOR have had different experiences which inform your perceptions, and which I respect. I’m glad I haven’t been put through the wringer like others have and try to learn from brothers like yáll two. :)

In a strange way, this tends to validate the number of places available for men in this stage of the evolution of the movement.

Peace, Boxer.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 09:34

This makes sense to me. Women tend to see men as men see firewood.

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 09:35

She will write a really good post, often very supportive of men. That’s the bait. The switch comes when she is asked a very simple and polite question. The poster is then given a broadside of insults etc leaving them angry and confused while at the same time de railing the thread.

This???? HTML blocked now too?

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 09:38

Firepoodle rants:

You are liars.

http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/05/07/the-spearhead-home-of-free-minded-open-hearted-girls/

Here’s one of the many places you bashed Welmer and the contributors to the spearhead, my little asslicker. Far from being a liar, I can back up everything I say about you.

I already posted a link to the comments section of the roissy thread, in which you were outed as a feminist plant.

Do keep dancing, my little bitch. I am seriously, and quite literally, laughing out loud here. You are such a simple minded little muppet to control.

Regards, Boxer

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Migu October 23, 2011 at 09:56

Wow.

I swear to God more bullshit is revealed every year of your life. Most of this really is a scam.

Forget the American Dream, live your own dream.

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 10:08

@ coxer

Ahhh, so YOU’RE one of inmalafide’s little sockpuppet toybois, tenderly giving ferdi backrubs in the imf hottub to assuage his hurt.

He must tolerate the ranting drivel you post to up his dwindling post count.

Do you use an English name on roissy, or your illegal immigrant one?

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 10:16

Forget the American Dream, live your own dream.

That’s the way I see it too.

Get a job you like. Find the lifestyle that works for you. Make your existence a work of art.

We’ll all be dead soon (50 years ain’t very long in the grand scheme of things) and it’ll all be for nothing, but while you’re here, make it good.

Regards, Boxer

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 10:25

@ coxer

Thanks for reminding everybody (with a link) your Idol ferdi wrote an article entitled
“The Spearhead: Home of “Free Minded, Open Hearted Girls”

I’d hate to have my little old comments interpreted as bashing in an article with a title like that lol

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 10:47

Firepoodle whines:

I’ve been here since the first week the site was up. Longer than all of you combined. At roissy’s, too.

What a pathetic loser. The only things about which you can claim are the lengths of time you’ve wasted fighting people on the internet.

Do you use an English name on roissy, or your illegal immigrant one?

Unlike you and your sisters (Tharkas, Keyster, etc.), I don’t use sockpuppets. I’m boxer here, there and everywhere. If it makes you feel better to imagine that I am the Mexican gardner who shagged your mom last night, feel free.

In the mean time, here’s more butt-hurt whining from our favourite feminist troll, for the amusement of the readers of the spearhead, who Firepoodle bashes elsewhere:

http://m4monologue.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/a-town-called-malice/

Regards, Boxer

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 12:02

Coxer

The only things about which you can claim are …

…Actual facts lol – like verifiable dates.

Instead of juvenile name calling about my gender or mommy’s sex partners.

Unlike you and your sisters (Tharkas, Keyster, etc.), I am the Mexican gardner who shagged your mom last night

Tell “lil’ ferdie”
he still bears rich gifts.

While you transparently try to ingratiate yourself to management, I’ll just stay with the facts.

It is to Price’s credit that he evaluates reasonable criticisms of the site – and still links to imf in spite of ferdi’s derogatory article…

While ferdi brooks NO criticism: he bans all who oppose him! Rooting out The Evildoers! Seize them! BAN them!

One is a man, the other, a child who only links here to get hits. Even with the naked poontang pics to lure kj nerds, imf is a FAR inferior imitation of Spearhead. The commenters give that away by typing.

Here, it’s a splendid campus pub, there – a 3rd grade boy’s recess.

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Boxer October 23, 2011 at 12:19

The scummy feminist troll Firepower pulled an anonymous cock out of her mouth and started whining…

Tell “lil’ ferdie” he still bears rich gifts.

It appears you’re still whining about being banned from in mala fide, all these months later. I’m sure Ferd finds his ownership of your ass amusing, as I do.

http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/05/07/the-spearhead-home-of-free-minded-open-hearted-girls/

Here’s the full text of Firepower insulting the readers and participants of the-spearhead, in case someone missed it.

Keep dancing, bitch,

Boxer

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 12:54

Coxer

anonymous cock out of her mouth and started whining…

Actually, it was you who brought up lil’ ferdi.

Didn’t happen to see your name there as “coxer”. Guess you must have been one of the little sissy’s sockpuppet buddies. Or, you use your mexican name?

Don’t see your name much at roissy’s either. Nor, your Grande Expose.
But, it is nice of you to keep showing ferdi’s sensitive nature, and how he’s a banner. The poor fellow: he never fought his battles on his own site, now he sends cursing trolls to fight for him.

A real
Sockpuppet Army
has he

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Firepower October 23, 2011 at 13:50

More to the point, The Spearhead is a Coach’s and Owner’s conference room where adult strategy is discussed

while imf is the player’s lockeroom
where so, so, so damn much
is accomplished by
Big Talk
about opponent’s moms
and dick size

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Ted October 23, 2011 at 14:30

@AfOR October 23, 2011 at 08:45

“This is NOT a fucking political movement or ideology, this is guerilla warfare…”

… and to give yourself a chance you need every advantage you can get.

Be sure to know your enemies. Standard advice.

So who are the enemy? Women? Or those that enable them? A bit of both, I think. We need to get it right.

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Ted October 23, 2011 at 14:42

@AfOR October 23, 2011 at 08:45

“I don’t take kindly to “people” who basically haven’t walked in my shoes telling me I am the fucking armchair general …”

No-one would. Trouble is, there are plenty of armchair generals around and you can’t really tell who is whom without some investment of time and effort. All we are are words on a screen. The discussion above on sock puppets and false flag artists illustrates that.

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Rocco October 23, 2011 at 15:08

It stops being a discussion forum and instead it’s a Firepower insult tirade against us……

When your being abused and go back for more….it’s your own fault.

I will be heeding this advice.

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Gru October 23, 2011 at 16:41

Don’t forget anyone who has ever had chickenpox carries a herpes virus….

So herpes is very very common. But then there are over 100 types of herpes.

Gru

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CorkyAgain October 23, 2011 at 18:52

@ Boxer

Re AVfM Radio:

Yeah, my suspicions were raised after listening to “Dr. T” on an episode where she interviewed some other female shrink. It was pure female coffee klatch and I couldn’t help but wonder how the hell it belonged on an MRA podcast.

I still download and listen to the podcasts, but any of them involving “Dr. T” get deleted immediately without being played.

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Avenger October 23, 2011 at 19:27

Gru October 23, 2011 at 16:41

Don’t forget anyone who has ever had chickenpox carries a herpes virus….

So herpes is very very common. But then there are over 100 types of herpes

That’s incorrect. “Chickenpox” is caused by the varicella zoster virus . You never really get rid of it and it remains latent in the spinal ganglion. It can be reactivated years later not as chickenpox but as herpes zoster which is not related herpes simplex despite the similar sounding names.

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Gru October 23, 2011 at 21:36

Ok my post with links went to the bit bucket.

When I did a search on it again. Wiki, Ny Dept of Health and WebMD all have articles relating Chickenpox as being in the herpes family. They should all be changed then……….

I’m not a Dr. I just read stupid crap.

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Firepower October 24, 2011 at 09:20

Ted

So who are the enemy? Women? Or those that enable them? A bit of both, I think. We need to get it right.

I’m starting to suspect that mrm will never “get it right” in discovering who the reaal puppeteers are. mrm is turning into a bunch of Rainbow Warriors wanting to give a sloppy liplock to Diversity; kind of an OWS Fest, but with sweat lodges and “Down With Girls!” protest signs.

Not for justice – there’s more impetus for blind, enraged, vengeance; it appears mrm is willing to lie down with dogs to get it.

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Avenger October 24, 2011 at 12:41

When I did a search on it again. Wiki, Ny Dept of Health and WebMD all have articles relating Chickenpox as being in the herpes family. They should all be changed then……….

Yes, they should because it is misleading when a layman reads it.Alphaherpesvirinae is a sub family of herpesviridae. When you wrote that everyone was infected with the herpes virus under a topic about sexually transmitted diseases it gave a very wrong impression. Chickenpox is an air borne disease.
HSV-1 and HSV-2 are not limited to oral or genital areas as was once believed either because they can cross over which is why I mentioned acquiring herpes in kindergarten from some kid with a cold sore can lead to genital herpes even if you remained a virgin your entire life.

I’m not a Dr. I just read stupid crap.

A little learning is a dangerous thing.

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Avenger October 24, 2011 at 16:32

That would be Hepatitis B, for which you can get a vaccine. Hepatitis C is transmitted through exchange of body fluids, like HIV. It is deadly and there is no cure, nor is there a vaccine. Eventually you will need a liver transplant.

That’s not correct either. There may be no vaccine but chronic cases can be treated with interferon or ribavirin

A good % of infected people also clear the virus during the initial acute stage and may not even know they’ve been infected since there are few or no signs.
Of course it’s better if you know you’re infected initially because treatment is 90% effective in the acute stage while when the disease has become chronic it requires a much longer treatment.
Untreated chronic cases May lead to cirrhosis but even here in 1/3 of the patients the damage to the liver is so slow that they do not die from it and the rest take 20-30 years before their liver is shot. But remember that these patients who do develope cirrhosis are those whose body did not clear the virus initially and who never had any treatment.
So basically it’s not as bad as you believe and is not a death sentence.

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