Man-Bashing On The Road to Serfdom

by Elusive Wapiti on September 22, 2011

Selwyn Duke postulates the theory–misandry leads to authoritarianism–thusly:

[W]hat would you do if you wanted to grow government? I think you would try to remove any hope in women’s minds that they could find security through a husband. You do this by destroying the man. You need to make him look weak, ineffectual, feckless, and buffoonish.

Here is how you would proceed: Portray men in sitcoms, movies, and commercials as inept, foolish, and pusillanimous. Make sure these overgrown Hollywood boys are always outshone by the female characters. Also ensure that there are at least as many female characters in action roles as men — and don’t neglect to make them as hard and as tough, if not more so, than the fellows. And definitely show them beating men up as much as possible. Then men certainly won’t seem very strong.

This perception is far easier to instill if you can actually bring men and boys down. To this end, make sure you feminize the curricula and atmosphere in schools so that boys receive neither the stimulation nor the discipline they need to succeed. And when these little outside-the-box male creatures’ (boys are more likely to be revolutionary-minded, for good or for ill) energies are misdirected due to this lack of discipline, you can pickle their wills in psychotropic drugs such as Ritalin. The idea here is to lower boys’ grades and college-graduation rates so that they’re less capable of being a family’s breadwinner. And then they certainly won’t seem very intelligent.

There must also be institutionalized discrimination against the lads. So be sure to have affirmative action, quotas, and set-asides for women. For instance, you can have government aid for female-owned businesses but not male-owned ones; if this is done right, a situation might even arise in which women start four times as many new businesses as men do [Ed: they already start twice as many]. The idea is to, as much as possible, work towards a point where men aren’t very wealthy or powerful.

By sexualizing everything in society and presenting girls as objects of pleasure, we can instead make the boys more predatory. Then they will leave a trail of broken hearts in their wake, ensuring that girls’ hopes of bonding with a man are crushed; this causes women to harden their hearts to avoid being similarly hurt again, which reduces the chances that they will ever truly bond with a man.

The result of all this will be men who seem weak, powerless, and unintelligent, and who are poor. Women must feel that the only reliable source of security and resources in their lives, the only strong man, is Uncle Sam.

In other words, misandry is functionally the same as hating freedom. If you love freedom, then you fight misandry wherever you find it. If you love liberty, then you labor tirelessly to restore and protect the position of men as fathers and as patriarchs of their families. If you crave independence, then you work to foster durable marriage and ensure interdependence between husbands and wives.

On the other hand, if you welcome the yoke, if you want your sons and daughters to be serfs, if you enjoy the boot heel of authoritarian rule pressing against your neck, go ahead and suppress men, masculinity, and dispose of patriarchal marriage and family.

I’ve argued before that while women are the center of gravity of a civilization, it is individual men operating within a framework of other men who transmit the technology of civilization from one generation to the next. Reading Mr. Duke’s line of reasoning, it seems I need to extend my argument a bit and claim that it is the male-led family structure that enables freedom and liberty and that the female-led family drives a society toward tyranny and serfdom. A society based upon the female-headed family fails to bring men into the fold of marriage and family, fails to secure their investment into their children, and fails to direct men’s surplus energies toward socially productive ends sans the use of government force.

It is this failure to capture male investment that makes Mr. Duke’s observation about sexually predatory boys and hard-hearted girls especially salient. For our society is increasingly failing to efficiently capture male investment while at the same time establishing a moral ecology wherein evo psych and game theory justify the despoiling of the womenfolk…making them progressively poorer candidates for marriage with each happy roguring.

Speaking of marriage, Mr. Duke also had this interesting observation about how the marriage calculus has been stood on its head by all this man-hatin’ going on:

[W]omen have been sacrificing liberty for security for thousands of years — in an appropriate context. This context was marriage, when a woman would accept a man’s protection and his headship (with today’s hen-pecked Western man, it’s different; upon getting married, he sacrifices liberty for insecurity) [Emphasis mine].

So on top of the postulate that misandry leads to tyranny, we see, through several degrees of separation, that all this bustin’ on the guys has had the effect of negating the marriage contract for men. It still brings a (temporary) security for women while failing to secure for men what it used to. But it’s worse than that, for it is not only a lack of security, men who marry face an insecurity, a negative security…they risk more by marrying than by not. And by not marrying, they feed into Kay Hymowitz’ SYM stereotype, which in turn begets more misandry and so forth.

Thus does misandry circle back around in a self-sustaining spiral down into chains. The message is clear: a free society that makes a habit of disrespecting and suppressing and repressing its men won’t remain free for too much longer.


About the author: EW is a well-trained monkey charged with operating heavier-than-air machinery. His interests outside of being an opinionated rabble-rouser are hunting, working out, motorcycling, spending time with his family, and flying. He is a father to three, a husband to one, and is a sometime contributor here at Spearhead. More of his intolerable drivel is available at the blog The Elusive Wapiti.

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Fourmyle of Ceres September 22, 2011 at 08:03

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Taqman September 22, 2011 at 08:33

And obesity is a focuse of mine, so I can tell you we know very, very little about how to lose weight successfully over the long term. If we actually had answers in that department there wouldn’t be a new diet fad every other week.

Men invented a pill to prevent pregnancy in women, and men can invent drugs / treatments to fight obesity. However that kind of risk-taking research is impossible in the current regulatory environment.

Read this segment from “After America” by Mark Steyn, as it nicely explains how the state prevents innovation particularly in the field of medicine.

After America

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Kyo September 22, 2011 at 08:35

I live outside the US and don’t get much exposure to American TV anymore, but yesterday I saw a few episodes of the crime/humor(?) series “Chuck” yesterday, and those first few paragraphs could not possibly be more accurate. Geeky guys being shown up both intelectually and physically seemingly every few minutes by “strong” women.

If this is what humor is like these days, I shudder to imagine what’s coming next. Is all of television like this now?

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Anti Idiocy September 22, 2011 at 08:39

Perhaps a little OT, but maybe not.

The war against men, which in part has resulted in the mancession, has certainly been successful. A Bloomberg article today on consumer confidence states:
“Sentiment among men slumped to an all-time low.”
and
“The Bloomberg weekly comfort index fell to minus 51.3 among men, and approached all-time lows among whites, homeowners and people with a high-school degree.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-22/u-s-consumer-comfort-gauge-falls-to-lowest-since-recession.html

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Rebel September 22, 2011 at 08:39

“a free society that makes a habit of disrespecting and suppressing and repressing its men won’t remain free for too much longer.”

True enough.

That’s why going expat is a mighty fine way to avoid it.

What I mean to say is that no man (or hardly any) is stuck in one place with no escape.
There are many a place in the world where such a political situation does not exist. My thoughts are: If you don’t want to live that sort of situation, move elsewhere. Do not stay in a place where you are considered third or fourth grade.

No one can make a slave of you without your consent.

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keyster September 22, 2011 at 08:45

The whole idea behind freedom is that each man is the leader, his own governing body of his land, home and wife and children, (citizens). He makes the rules because he provides sustenance and comfort. He is judge and jury regarding disciplinary measures. The actual government will guard it’s sovereign borders within which his “land” resides, and also provide some infrustructure and guidelines so he can better thrive and produce for his family.

Now masculinity is bad, male leadership (patriarchy) is bad, and women want freedom from dependency from the individual man, so that they can instead depend on the collectivist State. They still want the individual man’s financial support without the actual man around, and her government to act as the Father Mediary, the collector and redistributor.

Today’s individual man is disenfranchised, disconnected and without purpose, stability or roots. Woman doesn’t want or need him, the media ridicules him and the government betrays him. He’s the oppressor, she’s the oppressed; or so the enemies of freedom would have you believe.

Subjugate and control the individual man; politically, socially and economically and you open the door to socialism at first, and then tyranny. It’s a slow march to the New World Order of an idealistic government enforced “egalitarian utopia” and we’re being marched into it right now.

I just hope the federally issued clothing they make us wear (so no one can “appear” any better than anyone else) isn’t too drab.

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Ryu September 22, 2011 at 08:47

Okay. Now close the loop.

Who controls the media? Who is it that is portraying men as dolts, idiots and sods? Who? Who runs hollywood? To what end? Have they done this before? Where?

This exact method has been tried before. Down to a T. In Russia about 1917. The same group did it there as did it here.

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Kyo September 22, 2011 at 08:48

OT: Any baseball fans out there?

Gleeful Yanks fan serves Red Sox pitcher with child support papers

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Gleeful-Yanks-fan-serves-Red-Sox-pitcher-with-ch?urn=mlb-wp20240

An employee of the Massachusetts Probate and Family Court, Tom Cabral, bragged about how he was going to serve child support adjustment papers to that day’s Boston starting pitcher. He goes to Fenway Park in a Yankees T-shirt and serves the papers to Boston pitcher Erik Bedard, who, perhaps rattled by this unexpected jolt, then gets shelled by the opposing batters, leaves the game for a relief pitcher after just 2 2/3 innings, and the Red Sox lose.

Note that Bedard wasn’t behind on any payments, wasn’t denying paternity, and hadn’t done anything wrong. The only reason these papers were being served was that his ex saw that his salary had gone up, and wanted more child support money. And the ex wanted the papers served right before Bedard was due to pitch.

(Note also that Cabral — a representative of state court! — performed his official business wearing not a jacket and tie, but a T-shirt. Is this what passes for decorum these days?)

From Cabral: “My position was, my client [Bedard's ex-girlfriend Courtney Roberts] wants it served today, and that’s what I have to do.”

How is it that Mr. Cabral can refer to only the ex as “his client”? If they’re both party to this agreement, why does only one side get to dictate when papers are being served? And why would the ex want to have them served in a way that would harm the work performance of the man she wants money from? Isn’t it in her best interest that he continue to pitch well? Or has she not thought that far ahead, and just wants to humiliate him?

(Maybe she has thought that far ahead and knows that if he stops pitching well and his salary plummets, the court will be much less diligent about adjusting the payments downward, so why not grab the money and embarrass the guy?)

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Firepower September 22, 2011 at 08:52

Ryu
Okay. Now close the loop.

Who controls the media? Who is it that is portraying men as dolts, idiots and sods? Who? Who runs hollywood?

Those darn Pacific-Islander entertainment moguls must be eliminated – or, is that racist?

The Polish – who control the US financial system too!

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Uncle Elmer September 22, 2011 at 08:53

“…with each happy roguring…”

My work is complete.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan (c) September 22, 2011 at 08:56
Peter-Andrew: Nolan (c) September 22, 2011 at 08:58
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Ken September 22, 2011 at 09:01

When determining who truly controls a society’s media and government, just ask one simple question: “Who am I not allowed to criticize?”

In the words of the late comedian Rodney Dangerfield:
“I assure you it aint the Boy Scouts!”

:) ~

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan (c) September 22, 2011 at 09:02

OT..

one more good reason to not act as an unpaid bodyguard any more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040345/Tim-Smits-attacked-standing-bus-passengers-again.html

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keyster September 22, 2011 at 09:06

“…from “After America” by Mark Steyn”

What most conservatives already know, and all liberals need to know.
A worthy, enlightening and prophetic read.

We currently have President so immersed in his own ideology, so sworn to his base of supporters, that he’s lost all sense of pragamatism about what needs to happen NOW, before its too late. He won’t LEAD because male leadership is threatening and might offend his feminist/single female cunstituency. He doesn’t dare come off as too angry and edgy, because it might upset Sasha and Malia to see daddy so upset. He’s calm, cool, sexy and composed…with a talent for soaring oratory. He’ll “lead from behind”.

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Travis September 22, 2011 at 09:10

@Keyster,
Truly an excellent post…

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Rocco September 22, 2011 at 09:16

I just found out about the German Pirate Party, very intersting. They’re about internet law favor privacy and want public input on data policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/world/europe/in-berlin-pirates-win-8-9-percent-of-vote-in-regional-races.html

With regard to women:

“Pirates are the only political party in Germany opposing gender quotas on the grounds of ‘postgenderism’. We don’t care whether you’re male or female. Thus, our gender structure reflects our formation history with few women in the movement. Haven’t seen many women when demonstrating against data retention laws and internet censorship back in 2009.”

The co-founder is posting on mens reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/knqbc/pirate_party_enters_berlin_parliament_few_women/

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Uncle Elmer September 22, 2011 at 09:23

“And obesity is a focuse of mine, so I can tell you we know very, very little about how to lose weight successfully over the long term. ”

The experts should ask Elmer.

The cure for obesity is :

1. Stop eating so damn much.

2. Get some exercise.

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Craig Himself September 22, 2011 at 09:56

This is incredibly hot shit! Thanks!

Somehow-related:

A gaping logical hole in all the Evo-Psy and Game business that I’ve never seen addressed anywhere is simply this: Men have a need for children too. We need sex, sure, but we also need children. Not to be “genetically successful”, or whatever, but simply to be happy and healthy.

It is this, right here, that explains to me just why and how Game, and using it to get sex in a misandric ghetto wasteland, is mal-adaptive and won’t lead to any real happiness, at least not for me.

And it’s when a baby is born, that’s when they’ve really got us. This is still America in that we have property rights to land, patents, copyrights, all kinds of material things like that. But DEEP down where it really hurts, when it comes to our children, it’s Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia all at once. Schitzo.

I’ve heard the term “weaponized sex”, and I’ll never forget it.

But how about “weaponized children” or “weaponized reproduction”?

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Rocco September 22, 2011 at 10:05

@ Craig

That’s right, our wives and children are using our love for them against us.

You don’t get more perverse than that.

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Craig Himself September 22, 2011 at 10:09

@Rocco

Word up. It the ultimate hook, the ultimate liquidation, hijacking the state in order to attain Middleman Powers that no one should have. ‘Might as well sell away all the air while they’re at it.

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Towgunner September 22, 2011 at 10:15

@ KYO,
Is all tv like this? Yes and yes. Media is the primary tool to control the masses and for feminists. They have a new trend now, super model waifs, <100lbs, killing, fighting, cops, vigilantes – the most recent being charlie's angels which looks like three girls that just came from some club dance floor. Ultimately this speaks to the inferiority and weakness inherent to women because…they believe this. So do men. But who is watching most of tv nowadays? And who tends to be the less gullible sex, men of course. Indeed, the gullibility of women is why the media tactic works so well. I may expat too, but in the meantime gentlemen, please heed my humble advice – stop watching TV. The other day I felt a sense of liberation as I gleefully anticipated a new episode from…(no not some bullsh*t tv program) but dayjoborchestra. DJO are a couple guys from Canada that will make you laugh your ass off and you will not have to endure the constant undertone of political correctness and feminist/socialist/gay agenda forced into everything such as thirty rock. The point being the internet's a great substitute for the bile on TV and its original not some engineered entertainment meant to emasculate you. Disconnect, expat, fight back by being your best.

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Rebel September 22, 2011 at 10:18

“But how about “weaponized children” or “weaponized reproduction”?

“weaponized sex”,

Hilarious (alt. spelling: hillary us).

Somehow, I picture a clit that shoots bullets or stings you with deadly poison.

Do you realize that there is another animal on this planet (besides human females) that displays the same functions?

It’s called the Black Widow.

How fitting.

Now there are two: the BW (Black widow) and its sister, the AW (yes, that one!)

Recap: Is the AW worse than the BW?

Probably.

LOL!!!

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oddsock September 22, 2011 at 10:21

Excellent post Keyster although I fear we are already in a tyranny all over the west and not just being marched towards it.

Correct Rocco. This is probably the most painful part of the red pill for men to swallow. As I have mentioned previously, men grossly underestimate women as master manipulators. This is also why I believe so many men refuse to see the putrid nature of it all and just carry on regardless.

Slightly off the subject but this is also why mothers will never explain fully the true nature of women to their sons.

Rocco

@ Craig

That’s right, our wives and children are using our love for them against us.

You don’t get more perverse than that.

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Rocco September 22, 2011 at 10:33

OT

Talk about balls, this lady has them.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/florida-teacher-who-pleaded-guilty-to-having-sex-with-boy-asks-judge-to-reduce/?test=latestnews

Debra LaFave, hottie for the 14 year old crowd, after raping a young boy and getting off with house arrest and probation is now saying probation is boring and wants a judge to reduce it for her, besides, the pedo is mom and has twins.

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keyster September 22, 2011 at 10:36

Feminist’s needed to first infiltrate the minds of women; foment discontent with their lives, along with mistrust and enmity towards men, for women to then take this new found “enlightenment” back into the home with them. Brainwashed women were merely the vehicles that delivered the feminist poison through the doors of the traditional arrangement.

Feminists are getting women to fight a proxy war in the home of the individual freedom loving man towards their ultimate goal of a gender egalitarian Marxist style socialist state. Because without government mandate/enforcement there can never be equality of men and women, and to achieve this, individual man MUST first be subjugated and controlled into complete compliance. He must be slowly transformed through social engineering and media messaging to start behaving more like a female, so he can no longer be a threat or hinderence to women “appearing” more equal.

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Uncle Elmer September 22, 2011 at 10:37

The experts should ask Elmer.

The cure for obesity is :

1. Stop eating so damn much.

2. Get some exercise.

—————

I forgot :

3. Take a massive dump at least once a day.

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Seamus the Classicist September 22, 2011 at 10:56

Well Uncle Elmer I do eat TWO apples a day, and flush the GI track once a week with fibre and lots of water.

Needless to say, I have a kettlebell, and dog to run with me. Life is good, if somewhat boring and pointless right now. But I am a man, and realise (unlike silly females) that most of life consists of plateaus and valleys.

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Eincrou September 22, 2011 at 11:28

Craig Himself: “A gaping logical hole in all the Evo-Psy and Game business that I’ve never seen addressed anywhere is simply this: Men have a need for children too.”

The only gaping hole here is in your knowledge of game. What you mention has not only been addressed, it has been addressed 1000 times, but that never stops the ignorant from thinking they have a brilliant new critique.

Game is applied female psychology. Whatever proclivities and desires men may have, they have nothing to do with game’s body of knowledge. Do not make the elementary mistake of believing game and PUA to be synonymous.

If a man wants children, and he wishes to stay in their lives despite the adverse legal environment, game can assist him in doing that!

There are a number of blogs to assist men in doing exactly this. Athol Kay, Dalrock, and Hawaiian Libertarian are a few examples of men describing how to use game within the context of a long term relationship.

If you really stand behind what you’ve claimed is a logical error (even if it were an error, it’s wouldn’t be a logical one), then take your critique to Dalrock’s and make your case there.

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Rocco September 22, 2011 at 11:35

OT

Well I did live to see it, about the new fall TV line up, it reads like it was written for The Spear-Head:

“TV’s women of fall, on the network sitcoms especially, are vain, selfish, shallow and controlling – a generation of “Mean Girls” grown, not surprisingly, into mean women.”

Some of you talented writers really should try to branch out. I don’t think this as as good as a Spear-Head article because the author lacks the expertise and experience describing misandry.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/21/mean-women-milquetoast-men/

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W.F. Price September 22, 2011 at 11:49

OT

Well I did live to see it, about the new fall TV line up, it reads like it was written for The Spear-Head:

“TV’s women of fall, on the network sitcoms especially, are vain, selfish, shallow and controlling – a generation of “Mean Girls” grown, not surprisingly, into mean women.”

Some of you talented writers really should try to branch out. I don’t think this as as good as a Spear-Head article because the author lacks the expertise and experience describing misandry.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/21/mean-women-milquetoast-men/

-Rocco

Wow. Good find, Rocco. This is about as critical an article (of misandry) as I’ve ever seen in the MSM — and written by an apparently unapologetic man as well.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan (c) September 22, 2011 at 11:49

Craig Himself September 22, 2011 at 09:56
” But how about “weaponized children” or “weaponized reproduction”?”

If you listen to my interview on TNS Radio you will hear that I talked about “weaponizing family relationships”. This was more than a year ago.

All those who wish to call me a “looney” can take a listen to the interview. It is two hours long and you will find that I am a very articulate man when talking.

Many comment that I do not sound “so angry in the interview as I do in posts”. Well? Where is the “anger”? Its a figment of the imagination of the readers who read my posts. A few people like Oddsock might listen to this interview. It would point out the folly of thinking I am “angry”. Anger is a very wasteful emotion. So is being bitter or upset and all those other things people are so fond of lying about me.

Men complained they were getting criminally abused in the FC. I created the remedy for you. Yet men are too stupid to use it, preferring to believe the web of lies than an honest men. So who’s the loser in THAT equation, eh? Not me. Sure. I spent a LOT of money creating the remedy. But that was my money to spend and I will get a LOT more where that came from. Money is easy to go out and get. But all those men that men here REFUSE TO HELP?

Well? Who’s responsible for the ignorance of men in this place now? Certainly not me.

Who’s responsible for NOT spreading the word? Certainly not me.

I have done all that is humanly possible to explain to MRAs what their remedy is. They refuse to use it. So why would I care about men killing themselves who refused to educate themselves? You can not help those who ill not help themselves.

MRAs are about as stupid as drowning men being thrown a life vest that merely needs the string to be pulled to inflate it and refusing to pull the string because “someone else should pull the string for me, how do you expect me to learn to pull the string while I am drowning?”.

That is about how stupid MRAs look to me right now. Except for the bit of calling the man who threw him the life vest a “looney” because everyone knows that a deflated life vest won’t help you.

If it wasn’t for the little boys these MRAs leave behind? I would have quit my now.

http://www.peternolan.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=tns_globalman.mp3&tabid=538&mid=1230

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Firepower September 22, 2011 at 11:53

Elusive Wapiti

On The Road to Serfdom

Dood, what DO you mean “on” the road?

We’re already in the ditch
because the tires rotted off.

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Ken September 22, 2011 at 12:02

EXCELLENT PIECE OVERALL~ :)
“Serfdom” is making its circular return to modern history and if we’re sleeping at the switch for much longer men overall will wake to find themselves endentured to a society that hangs on by a totalitarian thread.

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Craig Himself September 22, 2011 at 12:29

@Eincrou:

“The only gaping hole here is in your knowledge of game. What you mention has not only been addressed, it has been addressed 1000 times, but that never stops the ignorant from thinking they have a brilliant new critique.

Game is applied female psychology. Whatever proclivities and desires men may have, they have nothing to do with game’s body of knowledge. Do not make the elementary mistake of believing game and PUA to be synonymous.”

OK OK you’re right, and I appreciate your making the distinction. I was being sloppy. I should have been more specific.

I actually have Athol Kay’s book, and I believe every word that I’ve read so far. It’s just that I’m still in this scared-shitless phase of refusing to read the latter 2/3rds because I don’t trust that I can actually DO it sufficiently well to keep someone from dumping me. Sad but true, and I feel the need to admit that here so that you know who you’re dealing with.

So. What I should have said was more like this: I see the fact of my need for children as a hole in the argument that all I need to be happy is to use Game to be a good PUA and get all the sex I need, making sure to never impregnate anyone. That alone won’t do it for me.

So while PUArtistry as a life path may not be helpful for making ME happy, you’re right Game is simply a science that can be applied or ignored, but there’s no arguing with it because there’s so much evidence that it’s about reality.

Eh?

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Firepower September 22, 2011 at 12:31

oddsock

I fear we are already in a tyranny all over the west and not just being marched towards it.

Let’s do the English solution, ditch Wales and Scotland and import more Pakis.

As I have mentioned previously, men grossly underestimate women as master manipulators.

What’s your solution to get men to accurately assess female manipulation? More online forums, perhaps?

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Rocco September 22, 2011 at 12:38

OT

It seems the women want us back to work.

I agree game is to women what professional psychology is to men, a means of manipulation.

That’s why I interpret this as, memo from team women, men are OK for work and we need to start encouraging them. I no longer harbor any hope that truths can be realized in the offices of psychologists.

Here we have academic psychologists re-discovering what we here know well which is that men cooperate better than women and women need a man as leader in a group or they don’t cooperate with the female leader, the queen bee.

The studied 272 studies with 31,000 participants.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-09-men-women-cooperate-equally-common.html

Feminist fraud: Females are better at working in groups and have greater emotional intelligence.

Status: Debunked.

This urban myth should be with us another 50 years until the broads that believe it die off.

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Rocco September 22, 2011 at 12:42

@ Craig

You might want to reconsider your position in light of this fact, if you want children you don’t need a woman in your life at all, just some money.

Hire a surrogate and be happy.

Why don’t you do it? I believe men have a romantic notion of wife and family.

That has been a very nasty bit of fraud perpetrated on men for over a century.

You do not need a wife, a wife today is a major liabilty, like having cancer (and this is a serious analogy, think about it, a growth of cells that consumes, does not contribute, then, if your lucky is painfully removed leaving you injured for life).

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Towgunner September 22, 2011 at 12:50

@ Rocco
Per that article you posted.
Wow! I couldn’t get through 2 paragraphs of that sh*t! I am so glab I cancelled my cable subscription. That is flat out sexism. I mean, just looking at the titles of some of those shows, its f*cking blatant, they’re not even hiding anymore.
We should organize a boycott of all media; declare women the new sexists of the modern era.
Wow, getting really angry, none of that sh*t they are trying to portray is true. Its all an engineered agenda!
Here is one for you feminists; I want independence too, from this oppressive system, from draconian marriage laws, from culture engineers, from this hive-like collective of automaton drones you created and most of all from all women. You are unbelievable selfish, vindictive and flat-out psychotic. Your actions only prove why it is necessary to NOT let you run anything. Maturity level is grade school at best. Back in the kitchen…NO all of you into the padded room for an extended stay, at least a generation. Us men will clean up your mess.

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Towgunner September 22, 2011 at 12:56

@ Rocco:

Here we have academic psychologists re-discovering what we here know well which is that men cooperate better than women and women need a man as leader in a group or they don’t cooperate with the female leader, the queen bee.

I’d like to highlight “re-discovering”, this is an example of the regressiveness of feminism. Like, oh we didn’t know this already? Real progress occurred eons ago when we knew this and designed society accordingly. Today, due to all of the “progress” from feminists we waste energy and resources over discussing issues like this that were settled long ago. Progress?

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doclove September 22, 2011 at 13:03

I agree with this post. Patriarchy precedes and is a precondition of civilization. Civilization will deteriate without sane rational compasionate patriarchy. Here’s a link to learn more.
http://fisheaters.com/garbagegeneration.html

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Anonymous September 22, 2011 at 13:06

@Rocco: “You do not need a wife, a wife today is a major liabilty”

Over the last few years I’ve done quite a bit of studying demography and the collapse of fertility rates. The breakdown of the traditional family and of male-female relationships in general has led to a significant part of the decrease in birth rates (that’s in fact been a two way street, with relationships with no children being especially fragile). But there have been other contributing factors. One of the most important of these is the fact that children have gone from being an asset, especially for farms and family owned businesses in which a great deal of manual labor is required, to being a significant financial liability.

Men are coming to the realization that committed relationships with women, especially marriage with children, are very often a huge financial liability. As this realization spreads, we will probably see men increasingly abandon such relationships, just as women, and to an extent couples, have abandoned having children.

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Anti Idiocy September 22, 2011 at 13:10

@Rocco: “You do not need a wife, a wife today is a major liabilty”

Over the last few years I’ve done quite a bit of studying demography and the collapse of fertility rates. The breakdown of the traditional family and of male-female relationships in general has led to a significant part of the decrease in birth rates (that’s in fact been a two way street, with relationships with no children being especially fragile). But there have been other contributing factors. One of the most important of these is the fact that children have gone from being an asset, especially for farms and family owned businesses in which a great deal of manual labor is required, to being a significant financial liability.

Men are coming to the realization that committed relationships with women, especially marriage with children, are very often a huge financial liability. As this realization spreads, we will probably see men increasingly abandon such relationships, just as women, and to an extent couples, have abandoned having children.

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Eincrou September 22, 2011 at 13:13

Craig Himself: “What I should have said was more like this: I see the fact of my need for children as a hole in the argument that all I need to be happy is to use Game to be a good PUA and get all the sex I need, making sure to never impregnate anyone. That alone won’t do it for me.”

Yep, that’s all fine. In fact, that would be exactly my view on it as well. I have no interest in the PUA lifestyle at all.

As far as having children goes, pay heed to what Rocco has told you. It’s possible to have a high quality surrogate mother for a fraction of the likely costs of conventionally fathering a child. It’s far from ideal for you or your child, but the current legal realities are even further from acceptable.

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Eincrou September 22, 2011 at 13:25

Anti Idiocy: “One of the most important of these is the fact that children have gone from being an asset, especially for farms and family owned businesses in which a great deal of manual labor is required, to being a significant financial liability.”

Yes, this aspect often goes under-weighted in importance. There are many factors going into why children are a complete liability, some are natural like your example, but many are artificial.

1) Extension of childhood far beyond historic norms.
2) Laws preventing child labor.
3) Government promises to care for the elderly, reducing the need for successful children.
4) Children get in the way of women’s careers.
5) A man encumbered by support payments for a child no longer in his custody is less able to manage a new family.

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Craig Himself September 22, 2011 at 13:42

@Eincrou and @Rocco:

Word word word. Surry’s up, brides down.

It’s funny. Surrogacy means I’d be a single Dad, which surely come with all sorts of stresses and hassles, but it also takes away the Thousand Pound Monster Uber Stress of child support risk.

Further, I know there’s a business model waiting to happen of helping men organize, contract and manage not just the surrogacy, but also all the necessary domestic help, kid clothes, etc. It won’t be cheap, but for a high-enough-earning guy, it’s cheaper than divorce risk.

I gotta tell you though. Today, I’m not there money-wise, nor would I be ready to go that way today even if I were rich. I want my kids to have a Mommy, what can I say.

Which means, therefore, that I gotta put up or shut up about expatriating. ‘Deez bones ain’t gettin’ no younger.

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universe September 22, 2011 at 13:54

Good lead article. Lots of points woven together making the central idea convincing. Unabated negative consciousness manipulation.
After a while some people are prone to believing the fiction they succumb to on TV or elsewhere. Slower solution to the portrayed misandry? Defy the popular media entertainment scam characterization of men/males by just being who you are in the manner in which each individual is accustomed to in real living and by, kvetching aside, the forthrightness found by many commenters here. The easy invisible middle finger is raised unawares to the entertainment dupes by simply acting naturally contrary to what is media portrayed and by speaking up.

Firepower: What’s your solution to get men to accurately assess female manipulation? More online forums, perhaps?

– In short, perhaps yes. This blog’s increasing readership is being viewed by many types including those not up to the speed of many writers here. The novices will eventually absorb the content and someday be confident enough to relay to others what is found here.
Where else can men speak openly about sex roles, feminism and men’s issues? There’s always…uh…hmm, running out of ideas here. Oh yes, by taking a chance with actually talking with other men about matters more important than sports, alcohal and scoring (game). (Tough go, I know, but one valid starting point is transmitting ideas through blogs such as this and fearless personal initiative).
We already know that most men likely don’t give a hoot about their own and men’s collective social welfare but if the issues are framed to their level what we collectively know here can impact.

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Jim R. September 22, 2011 at 14:36

Historically, when looking at an overthrow, in most cases all it took was complacency, indifference and lack of awareness. In general, men presently appear to be in this state of mind. Unfortunately, it’s going to have to get much worse before men finally get it and by then its probably too late for those who happen to be around at that time should we find ourselves in such a state as in “serfdom”. Of course this is not to imply that whatever unpleasant status imposed on us will remain permanent but more so indefinite, which all depends on how much further degradation by others are men (as a group) willing to take. My hunch and as bleak as this sounds will probably be for a very long time given our high tolerance to pain. Only then after much suffering and abuse will we “snap in rage” and act out collectively. Hopefully never to the point as in the “Galician slaughter” but one can only worry because as it appears now, what once was referred to as the “Black experience” in time may very well regenerate itself into the male experience.

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Paradoxotaur September 22, 2011 at 16:57

@Craig Himself: “Surrogacy means I’d be a single Dad, which surely come with all sorts of stresses and hassles.”

The stress is far, far less than the stresses (both economic and emotional) of living with Mommy Dearest and I think, based on what you’ve written, that you’d find the “hassles” to actually be a lot of fun. Kids are a blast (and then they turn into teenagers). Actually, teenagers can be great, too, as long as they’re not yours. :-)

“I want my kids to have a Mommy, what can I say.”

How about: “I am an idiot”?
Or as they say in Scotland: “I’m a complete fookin’ idiot!”

Remember, until only ~150 years ago women died in childbirth all the time, and the fathers were left to raise the children. A significant portion of humanity has been raised by single fathers.

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Paradoxotaur September 22, 2011 at 17:04

Opps, almost forgot- as a single Dad you’d be free to hit that strange pretty much any time you wanted, whereas if you lived with Mommy Dearest you’d be singin’ the blues to Rosie Palm. Honestly, American women seem to take pride in the fact that they’re marriages are sexless. Listen, do yourself a favor- ask ten married men whether their marriage is better than they expected, about what they expected, or worse than they expected. Ask them how great it is to have a live-in sex partner. Ask them how great it is to have that second income releiving him of having to work so hard, so that he has plenty of free time to focus on the activities that interest and fulfill him. Try to ask men you don’t know, as ones that do know you might anticipate some blow-back if his comments get back to the lil’ misses, and thus colour their response to you.

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fmz September 22, 2011 at 17:34

They’re not the centre of civilization, unless ya define the centre as a breeding project. Many critters on this earth run breeding programs, yet aren’t what we would call civilised.

No Masculine Minded Man, then… No Civilisation.

The centre of civilisation is Reason. ie Masculine Consciousness.

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Mr. J September 22, 2011 at 17:49

Jim R.- Exactly….Most men are still too preoccupied with stupid shit like “superbowl”, etc., to pay attention to anything else.
Complacency and indifference to truly important things, as you pointed out, still rule the day with most men…..Maddening and sickening.

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Lingam September 22, 2011 at 18:40

If one-third of the US population turned off the various IDIOT BOXES available – there would probably be major social unrest as people start to wake up from the media dream/nightmare.

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LovetheDesert September 22, 2011 at 18:49

The way to hurt these f**kers is to not buy anything!

Vote with your wallet.

They have no use at all for white men! None. Zero. Zilch.

Therefore, don’t spend a mother f**king dime on these bast**ds.

Don’t contribute to their livelihood. Don’t put food on their table by giving them your money. Give them nothing.

Spread the word. Not only boycott marriage. Don’t spend a f**king dime on anything that makes them rich. Because all the money we spend goes into the pockets of greedy corporations that see you as nothing more than dirt.

DON’T SPEND YOUR MONEY AT ALL!!!! Horde your money.

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Chevy Chase September 22, 2011 at 20:24

@PAN

“So who’s the loser in THAT equation, eh?”

Nolan you are always the loser in every equation. PAN=zero. Why don’t you stop the shaming language you deluded lunatic? You got nothin. No family. No friends. Just your fellow loony internet buddies and your pretend courts. What a fucking loser. Listen to this maggot at your own peril. Get a job Nolan.

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Elusive Wapiti September 22, 2011 at 22:36

@ Craig Himself:

“Men have a need for children too. We need sex, sure, but we also need children”

Yes. I think a good many men have a deep desire to have children and to be a father. We may not feel it as acutely as women do, what with all that ticking biological clock driving baby rabies, but that doesn’t mean the drive isn’t there, under the waterline.

“It’s funny. Surrogacy means I’d be a single Dad, which surely come with all sorts of stresses and hassles, but it also takes away the Thousand Pound Monster Uber Stress of child support risk…I want my kids to have a Mommy, what can I say.”

In such a way do you, Craig, underline a key difference between men and women, at least as far as I have observed. Men fundamentally recognize that the optimal solution for children is to have both a mother and a father…thus we are much much less likely to embark on woman-not-included parenting.

Granted, it is much more difficult for us to have kids sans mother, so that is a factor too, but it seems to me that the opinion expressed above…that we want our children to have a mother too…is much more prevalent in the minds of men than in women. Morevoer, this “mother and father” conviction underlines to me which sex is the most civilized.

Single parenthood happened in the old days. It happened a lot. And despite my bias in thinking that single fatherhood yields superior outcomes to single motherhood (after all, God is the first single dad), it doesn’t mean that the two-parent family isn’t the preferred target.

@ Firepower:

“Dood, what DO you mean “on” the road?”

I don’t think we’ve hit bottom yet…much much longer way to go down. It’s bad today for men, women, for society in general. But it could get much much worse. And I think it will get worse.

Elusive Wapiti September 22, 2011 at 23:18

fmz September 22, 2011 at 17:34

They’re not the centre of civilization, unless ya define the centre as a breeding project. Many critters on this earth run breeding programs, yet aren’t what we would call civilised.

I’m not saying women are the center of a civilization, I’m saying that they are the center of gravity. A bit of a difference, a difference that is explained in the article I linked.

evilwhitemalempire September 23, 2011 at 00:44

“I’ve argued before that while women are the center of gravity of a civilization, it is individual men operating within a framework of other men who transmit the technology of civilization from one generation to the next.”

It is like this.
Beta men are the builders of civilization.
They are strong and aggressive enough to keep the female in check but (unlike the thuggish alphas which they overthrew by strength of numbers coupe) peaceful enough to cooperate in large groups.
They have THREE fundamental enemies:
1 The deposed residual alphas.
2 The females.
3 The gamma/delta men.
Of the three the greatest threat is actually number 3.
The gamma/delta are an effeminate class of men dependent (even parasitic in some cases) on the relatively luxurious environment that civilization and it’s technology affords. They easily perish without it.
As they multiply they eventually take over the media, the courts, law, education, etc. and use them against the beta male. They aren’t just sucking up to the females here. They’re using feminism as an anti-male grenade to bring down the better man.

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Travis September 23, 2011 at 02:24

@Rocco,
That Washington Times article was great. I strongly encourage everybody here to click the link and and leave a comment showing your support for one of the few men in the mainstream media with the balls to tell the truth in the face of political correctness.

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Ken September 23, 2011 at 09:18

“Most men are still too preoccupied with stupid shit like “superbowl”, etc., to pay attention to anything else. Complacency and indifference to truly important things, as you pointed out, still rule the day with most men…..Maddening and sickening”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

With the idiocy of spectator-sports being the primo “gladiator games” these days, yes…most men will be too preoccupied watching foosball to see the ax falling.

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Craig Himself September 23, 2011 at 10:19

@Elusive Wapiti:

“In such a way do you, Craig, underline a key difference between men and women, at least as far as I have observed. Men fundamentally recognize that the optimal solution for children is to have both a mother and a father…thus we are much much less likely to embark on woman-not-included parenting. ”

No shit. I NEVER noticed that. Dude. Call me “doofus.”

Just to not lose my sanity completely, in realizations like these I mentally refer to my high school girlfriend, who’s now a A-grade suburban Christian house-momma of three. She admitted to me, straight up, that if she died, her husband could replace her with a new woman rather easily since he’s such a solid guy.

Craig: “Why do you say that?”

Her: “Because I do a lot of work here, I really do, but it’s simple and straightforward.”

Craig: “‘Just surfing the wave.”

Her: “Right. I’m just surfing the wave.”

Craig: “But your husband? Could you replace him as easily?”

Her: “Ooooooh no.”

Craig: “Why not?”

Her: “Because he’s…. he’s the head… he’s the BRAIN.”

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Firepower September 23, 2011 at 11:47

Travis

That Washington Times article was great. I strongly encourage everybody here to click the link and and leave a comment showing your support for one of the few men in the mainstream media

Respectfully, you’d better get your facts correct before some Liberal tears you apart: The Washington Times is emphatically not MSM. Nor is Human Events or Media Watch.

In fact, if you called a Washington Times writer “msm” he’d challenge you to a duel.

Do not create false courage on a erroneous presumption; if you saw a NYT or MSNBC “writer” suddenly stand up for white hetero males, THEN you could make such a claim.

Be sure of the facts.

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W.F. Price September 23, 2011 at 12:20

Respectfully, you’d better get your facts correct before some Liberal tears you apart: The Washington Times is emphatically not MSM. Nor is Human Events or Media Watch.

-Firepower

Corrected. I tend to think of print as mainstream, but evidently the Times is in a different category.

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CorkyAgain September 23, 2011 at 14:21

Isn’t the Washington Times the one owned by the Moonies?

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bruno September 24, 2011 at 02:02

The media are showing all that man-bashing crap because they know women are watching, and women love to see it.
If women would be really treated equally, they would have to get up from their lazy asses, and do some real work, instead of taking a free ride on men’s back, by living off privileges, alimony and child support

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Migu September 24, 2011 at 03:20

The Washington times is considered tabloid by the MSM. Like the daily fail, or Die Bild. A bit above weekly world news or the Enquirer.

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Anonymous age 69 September 24, 2011 at 16:27

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Common Monster September 26, 2011 at 02:48

“Feckless” is one of those interesting words which really doesn’t have an antonym. At some point the womenfolk are going to have to admit and own up to their own fecklessness.

My mom’s generation went to finishing and charm schools to learn how to attract a better husband, but today’s women – lots of ‘em at least where I live – seem to have gotten the message that every man’s fantasy is the tattooed woman from the freak show at the circus. Or, if I need to do some neck exercises, I can look at a few profiles of women on some singles site; tonight’s gem was 40, overweight, divorced, w/kids – and she comes across like a prima donna, even dictating all the terms of the man’s complete and unconditional surrender in advance. It’s unreal. You couldn’t pay me enough to suffer through going on even a date with one of these deluded surplus women sporting full-blown Cinderella Syndromes. (This where women want relationships and love and commitment, but won’t actually do anything to get those things.)

The point is, all the pro-marriage people have a big problem with the woman quality issue. I’ll keep my indepence et al by continuing to observe the Golden Rule (they leave me alone, and I return the favor back).

There are plenty of much better and more interesting things to do in life than anything women have to offer. Lots of guys learn that by about age fifteen, and trying to stick them with some woman via marriage (even 1.0) isn’t exactly doing them any favor. All men are different, all husbands are the same. The marriage down-cycle is good in promoting more masculine diversity, so don’t buy into the misandric propaganda about men (and society) all going down the tubes, and if we could just yoke men back into marriage happy days would be here again.

Anyway, I don’t buy that part about marriage being the way to freedom. I do not want what I have not got.

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Tolpuddle Martyr September 28, 2011 at 03:51

Hi Rocco,

What society anywhere on Earth would allow a woman-hating psycho like you to hire a surrogate to raise a child on his own?

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