Cristina Odone, writing for The Telegraph, has taken aim at absent fathers in a piece titled “London riots: Absent fathers have a lot to answer for.” As an American, I fully expected this development, and it is why I knew that trying to score a political point against feminists with the riots was doomed to failure.
Odone is something of a conservative who has been critical of efforts to portray the rioters as members of a disaffected community, but as a devotee of contemporary Christianity she cannot bring herself to view single mothers as anything but hapless victims.
One of the biggest problems men have had in Western society is that they have been sandwiched between two opposing world-views that demand contradictory roles. On the one hand, there is secular liberalism, which advocates for equality of outcome, and on the other there is the conservative Judeo-Christian point of view, which advocates for men taking greater responsibility and having authority over the family. So while the liberals will push to empower women at the expense of men, conservatives will demand that men fulfill their duty as head of household. It’s a catch-22 that your average guy can’t adequately cope with, and this is what’s behind the increasing trend of fatherlessness.
The danger currently facing British men is that linking the riots to fatherlessness will prompt American-style child support laws, which are brutally enforced without regard to circumstances. There will be more talk about how the riots are a result of broken families and mothers on the dole, and people will start to demand that fathers step up and fulfill their responsibility. This responsibility will, naturally, be reduced to cash. Additionally, the laws will be applied evenly across the country, so men in communities that had nothing to do with the rioting will suddenly find themselves facing the same draconian laws meant to solve big city problems.
In a comment on my previous article concerning the London riots, Keyster made the point that the system we have in the US is essentially applied eugenics, and I agree. Unfortunately, it is a very harsh measure that punishes a lot of perfectly innocent people, the overwhelming majority of whom are men. There is something to be said for holding a guy who sires bastards with various women accountable, but the law is just as harsh on men whose wives simply left them to pursue some fancy. So, in practice, the US child support enforcement system punishes both cads and the merely unfortunate. Typically, the unfortunate end up paying more.
Britain will likely see calls for welfare reform emerge as a consequence of the riots, and men will have to be extra vigilant about preventing the burden of funding the legions of single mothers from falling on fathers. It will be a difficult fight, because politicians will find it both expedient and popular to blame fathers, but there are so many unmarried fathers in the UK at this point that with some effort they can be spurred to take political action to prevent this from occurring. First, they will have to argue that having an absent father is no excuse for mass criminality (the logical conclusion people draw from such an opinion is that the absent fathers are therefore the real criminals), and then they will have to demonstrate that men who have more residential time/visitation with their children offer them not only more guidance and stability, but more financial support as well.
A more humane approach to welfare reform in the UK would be to offer all single women under 40 the option of receiving cash for taking Depo-Provera shots on a quarterly basis, and providing more benefits to households where the father lives with the children than otherwise.
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It’s the fault of fathers for not being there, yet the system bends over backwards to push fathers out of the picture. Schizophrenic public policy at its finest.
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The ultimate solution is to toss both tradition and liberalism for — in hegelian terms — a new synthesis. The barrier to that isn’t just old habit, liberal habit now being as effectively old as tradition, but getting rid of the people in power who push either. That is the real problem of any social improvement: depriving vicious, dangerous parasites of their way of life.
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After WWII, there were a number of single mothers due to women being widowed, I don’t remember those children turning into louts…..how lax the mother is disciplining the children has nothing to do with it, nor these women’s poor choice in men, oh no, it’s all men’s fault.
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I’d say the ultimate solution is to go one’s own way … It’s too fucking late to pretend shit will improve … The ship’s sinking the fuck down … Grab a life jacket while you can …
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As I posted on the False Rape Society, in reference to Nasty Dildo / DSK…
The wimminz say that wimminz “…need not be perfect in order to be believed…”
But the wimminz, and white knighting niggerz, also say about accused men, that even the slightest imperfection is proof that X is a slimeball and probably did it and even if he didn’t he did do something else so he deserves all he gets anyway…
fuck em all… the financial crash is now so bloody close, September or October 2011 for sure.
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Bill says
“There is something to be said for holding a guy who sires bastards with various women accountable,”
ex-fucking-scuse me Bill…
Since men have precisely ZERO say in female reproduction, why the fuck should any guy be held accountable for any female reproduction?
YOU are supposed to be on OUR side dude…..
shows how deep and insidious the brainwashing is….
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I read the Telegraph article and was heartened to see some of the readers comments which show many folks have their feet on the ground unlike the article’s dumb-cluck authoress.
A precis of the many comments I warmed to can be represented by this one short comment on the reader’s comments thread –
“You hit the nail fair and square on the head with this one sentence….
For 40 years or more this country has waged outright war upon the family and fatherhood – and NOW you want to whine about “absent fathers”?
Exactly so. “
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Here’s another of the reader’s comments -
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Spot on Jimjay, excluded fathers is the correct term. A tiny percentage of fathers get custody of their children. A very large percentage of women make maintaining contact as difficult as possible, effectively using the child as a weapon. Courts may grant the father a contact orders but will never enforce them. Judges never fine the woman (sorry parent with custody) for breaching a contact order as this will adversely affect the child and of course will never imprisonment the mother. If society wants men to be part of the solution then they first need to start treating men as equal partners. So Cristina perhaps you would care to start the process of including fathers with an apology for the appalling assumptions implicit in your article. ”
Well said that man!
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No one likes to preach to a hostile congregation. So it won’t be fun trying to tell men who don’t want to listen that they have relatively few rights in our feminized era.
Better, then, to triage (…to mix metaphors).
There are guys too far gone to help. They are either too deeply wounded by feminism or are proud manginas. Let ‘em go. Or let the saints/saps among us tend to them.
Then there are the “walking wounded” who MIGHT be worth talking to…assuming they finally “got” that a gender war is raging…and it’s fight-or-die. The danger is they will become apathetic and/or tune out our words by turning on TVs. They can be prosletized by those with sufficient hope and patience.
Finally there are the newbies. They can be single guys of any age, or married men with sons. If they have open minds, this group is our last great hope. ESPECIALLY guys in college. They have time, energy, and passion. They can afford to get in feminists’ faces. Hopefully there will be enough college females who dislike feminism. Otherwise, non-mangina dudes might bury their insights, the better to get into female pants/thongs. They are at an age when getting laid can often trump any sense of justice, etc. That is until they get falsely accused of rape, harassment, DV, etc.
Every man must find his activist niche. That can be difficult. The temptation is to do it all or do nothing. Also, to expect quick results. But ours is a task that will take an army. Everyone needs to find a place in it.
Another metaphor: we’re trying to turn around an aircraft carrier pirated by feminists. It is going full throttle in the wrong direction. We need to first seize the controls, then get the ship back on course.
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Prime Minister Cameron, et alia, me-thinks you are blaming the victims: Sires, willing to be fathers, who were rejected by “single mothers” who do not wish to share power with a man.
Feminists used to use that phrase “blaming the victim” rather often. They can dish it — can they oppose it when it is women who are being “outed” as the real culprits?
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Western societies have bent over-backwards to eliminate fathers (and men) from children’s lives with fiscal policies, welfare policies, and of course the family courts system all stacked up against the family. So who do you blame when you end-up with a generation of fucked-up fatherless kids? Fathers of course! Wow! Talk about blaming the victim! Will the man-bashing ever end?? I swear sometimes I feel like a jew in Nazi Germany in 1935…
Let’s be clear, over 80% of fatherless children are so because of the mother’s own CHOICES (choices that the father never had any say in):
- half of British kids are born out of wedlock: that is mom chose to have sex before marriage, not use protection, not get an abortion and keep the baby
- the other half are born to married couples, but a divorce happened: in the overwhelming majority, the mother initiated the divorced (typically, to “find herself”).
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Good point, but you have to admit that one way or another we pay for this kind of thing, and it’s hard not to get frustrated with both sides of the equation when you deal with the fallout (heh) on a regular basis.
@ Crella
I’m sure others have thought of it already but your post made me think. Indeed there were a few very famous louts that were born and raised soon after WWII. They were called hippies.
I’m mean the original baby boomers. I suppose these were the result of single parent households and the disaster we see around us is the result of these now 60 year olds destroying a family they never had as they raped our culture and plundered first colleges, then board rooms and now retirement accounts.
We see what their daughters are doing to the western world, these are now 30-40, the “you go” girls, sex in the city, defined single motherhood. Now their daughters are teen moms.
So yeah, the single mothers of WWII were a problem.
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So while the liberals will push to empower women at the expense of men, conservatives will demand that men fulfill their duty as head of household. It’s a catch-22 that your average guy can’t adequately cope with, and this is what’s behind the increasing trend of fatherlessness.
That pretty sums up the American sexes. Brilliant.
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There is something to be said for holding a guy who sires bastards with various women accountable,
There’s nothing to be said for that because it is the female sex that gets pregnant and the female should take 100% responsibility for birth control. Just as there are things that effect only men and that they are responsible for.
First, they will have to argue that having an absent father is no excuse for mass criminality
During wartime in the past most able bodied men were away and the females had to run most things at home. What’s wrong with females today?
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File under get to know your enemy.
Born in 1950, Harriet Harman while not a product of a broken household, was the product of those that hated family and this must have come from ideas around before WWII. Harmans sister is Sarah and mother was a lawyer who attempted to get elected then in her 50′s returned to law. She had two daughters.
“She was very anxious that we shouldn’t have the same pressures to be married and to be conventional, that we should have the opportunity to have careers. I think that was her motivating force behind getting us a very good education.”
So we see female education is the wall built to exclude marriage. Very unethical immoral people, Harriets sister was forced to stop practicing law because of immoral and unethical use of her sister Harriet to let women found guilty of child abuse off:
” Having first sought advice from a barrister, Sarah forwarded documents – the names removed to conceal identities – to her powerful younger sister Harriet, then solicitor-general and now deputy leader of the Labour party. When Kent County Council, the authority that had taken the child into care, found out, they went “absolutely mad”
Interestingly she credits FRA with changes in the family court:
“Since then, demands for greater transparency, which started with noisy protests by fathers’ groups, have grown steadily louder”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/31/sarah-harman-harriet-family-courts
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I’m mean the original baby boomers. I suppose these were the result of single parent households
Rocco you sound like a kid, a very dumb kid, who doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about. There were no single parent households in the baby boomer generation and i can’t remember one family that didn’t have a mother and a father. I suppose there probably were a few widows and divorcees but I didn’t personally know of any and if a female was divorced it was pretty much kept quiet and she was almost always remarried.
“Hippies” were like 1% or less of the pop. and were still pretty conservative by today’s standards with the females doing the traditional female things. There were also few benefits so if you wanted to be a hippie you still had to figure out a way to support yourself and there were still taboos about unwed females getting knocked up and females were careful to use birth control.
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This is a well-written article.
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Men are to blame, even when they aren’t present.
That is female logic for you. Because women, being thick b*tches, don’t reason that if they drive out one half of the parental influence in a family it might be harder to bring up good children.
Feminism is to blame, not absent/absented fathers.
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There is only ONE GROUP that’s socially acceptable to profile in the negative and that’s the male. You can’t even delineate between classes and cultures (rich or poor, black or white), so you simply exclaim “men are the problem” and everyone’s fine with that.
The government then reviews “studies” and attempts to socially engineer change using the lowest common denominator of man as it’s baseline. ALL men (and sometimes women) are then subject to draconian laws and rules based on the behavior of the lowest rungs of society.
Much like airport security frisking little old ladies and fondling children they know aren’t terrorists, out of some distorted sense of fairness or “equal” treatment put on display for all to see….some working middle class guy just trying to get by, is treated like a thug in the hood, because a deadbeat is as a deadbeat does.
If liberals (and Democrats) want equality for women and minorities than why are they so insistent on neatly catagorizing each identifiable group by there particular needs and wants? Votes, that’s why.
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OK I want all of you fags and losers to watch this. That’s the attitude that you need
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WCcKIkMp8Y
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http://standyourground.com/forums/index.php?topic=12415.0
But what part do you play Mr. Politician, Mr. Journaliste, Mr Probationer and Mr. Police in institutionally driving a wedge between boys and fathers, whilst interfering with their hitherto happy family lives ? This year alone across the western world, all manner of nasty legislation has been passed to further diminish the status of men as husbands and fathers in their homes and every where else. Does this not impact badly on boys whom if you don’t know now, will be tomorows men ?
You too Mr. journalist, Mr. Social worker and Mr. Jailer you freely incriminate fathers and sons for consequences of problems, the causation of which brings you emmense riches and decent employment. What part do you play in the destruction of young boys eh ? That is, alongside Judges, lawyers, police and other middle class theives who have mined private relationships between fathers, sons, wives and daughters for every last worthy thing.
You mention failed council estates at home and failed states abroad being dominated by violent teenaged boys and young men unrestrained by their fathers. Once again Mr. Polititian and Mr. Journalist, what part have you yourselves played in creating this state of affairs at home and abroad ? Did not state interferance in peoples homes bring about anarchy and violence in society you now decry as it did bring about internecine, religious and ethnic violence in other peoples countries.
Then as an afterthought in order to hide your complicity and profit in the destruction through interfearance in other mens families, yourself and other aspiring intruders cast about for excuses and justifications. You freely tout the panacea of schools, youth clubs, enforcing child support, father responsibility laws bla. bla, bla bla bla etc, etc. That is, as if any of these institutions or officials were adequate replacements for husbands and fathers at home
Oh yea political elite, why not quit fooling yourselves or telling such obvious lies and accept the natural position in the home of fathers and husbands and in short butt out !!!.
The state, even a democratic one, has never and will never be a better friend of women and children than their own husbands and fathers respectively. And you interfearers and intruders , will do well to recognise this principle in the homes and lands you freely intrude in with the aim of spreading democracy if you similarly wish to avoid the failed state of rioting bastards. That is one dominated by violent and disaffected youths you so describe.
Everyday events and official reactions show just how extensive is the grip of anti-male bigottry and genderism in our society. A mass social-psychosis under which a multitude of male lives are deliberately destroyed but over which many others including males are dubiously enriched.
In the above article alone you see an attempt being made by journalists and bureaucrats to associate violent criminality to fatherlesness in boys. But with no attempt being made to connect fatherlessness in boys to rampant genderism and misandry.
Indeed today, many an elite man in this genderist society has grown rich and fat, judicially depriving young boys of their fathers. Not disimilar to the other men who have also grown rich and fat, politically, bureaucratically and editorially mislocating the violent criminality of sons to the wilfull absence of their fathers. That is, instead of to societies’ rampant misandry from which they continually grow rich and fat !.
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Mr. Price: “This responsibility will, naturally, be reduced to cash.”
Isn’t that all men have ever been in wimminz eyes?
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Waging war via letters to the editor is a good baby step – but in the internet age, it’s passe. You’ll need a lot more than that to get results.
We here in the USA have free speech; we’ve been writing “strongly worded letters ” to the editor for over a decade. Obama, Pelosi and yet more government intrusion and regulation of men are the result. That’s because… ta-da…the status quo establishment isn’t intimidated by letter-writers.
Baby steps are fine, but when the baby is fifteen – it’s a sign of retarded development. You can’t keep the training wheels on forever.
I expected someone choosing a name like yours to use more analysis, especially on obvious crumbs thrown to gullible reading masses.
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I see this in a slightly diff light. I think this is more of a “class war”. If you keep the less wealthy distracted, the governing body can pass laws that will effect us without us blocking the laws before its too late and the law passes. That was the reason for 9-11 and the reason for 9/10ths of the distractions out there. This riot in London will prove to have been arranged ( yes arranged! ) for the same reason. That is the true crime here!!
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Another inconsistency and case study in the pervasiveness of ‘doublespeak’ in our culture. Reminder that doublespeak is a singular expression composed of contradicting parts. This is a good example, riots caused by fatherless homes (true), lamentations from feminist blaming the lack of dads when they caused the problem and aggressively/openly promote female only families. ??? Put another way; incomplete nuclear families helped enable riots (says the leftist feminist) and in the next sentence nuclear family is oppressive and must be destroyed? It’s these incidents of blatant contradictory statements that must be exposed and revealed. Culture and society can simply not sustain with such lunacy afoot. Clearly its coming home to roost.
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I am one of those father – slaves. Slavery comes in many different forms and has been practiced for thousands of years – forced parenthood – (18 years of financial responsibility for someone else’s choice – pay or be caged) – makes slaves out of men who become fathers. The new slave class are fathers who have no choice about parenthood. I was forced into parenthood 25 years ago. I thought I was in love with the woman and wanted to marry. She was in love too – but not with me. She took my DNA and used me as a bank account while taking my child with her into many other relationships and locations throughout western USA. Every time she relocated I was sent a bill from the local DA where ever she decided to live. I sought legal assistance to achieve some sort of equity but the family court systems would not recognize me as anything more than a criminal myself. I was 25 years old when feminism took my child, my money, my pride, my optimism, my hope…. I can see how this socially engineered slavery is now permeating throughout the world; corruption at all levels of government and corporations, financial collapse, Federal / corporate looting of world economies, foreclosures, homelessness, poverty, middle classes completely gone, high unemployment… Once again – Slavery – lack of rights, options and choices, one class of people legally superior to another is now a method used to make entire countries enslaved. I am a ‘man who went his own way’ and ‘lived to fight another day’. I saved what I could of myself and am now enjoying a very healthy relationship with my daughter… but I am not the man I had thought I would be.
Once again I feel like my life is slowly falling apart as the equity of my home and property has been stolen in the same manner as my first child. The Jobs have been removed as well… the value of our monetary system is on the edge of collapse, economic and racially motivated looting and violence, anarchy is becoming common place… – I am not surprised. Slavery is lucrative for the few. Feminism assists with the enslavement of our population –
I am looking forward to the day when feminists get a dose of their own shit… decades of disappointment, resentment, failure, loss, guilt, shame… It’s no wonder to me why men aren’t standing up to our current level of corruption and greed, cultural and economic collapse. Even as it steals the value out of our homes and property; men have nothing to fight for – our children, women, homes, property and money have been stolen from us for the past 50 years… the only difference is that now the corruption and theft is effecting women – and now men don’t care to help them.
My .02¢
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Bill says
“There is something to be said for holding a guy who sires bastards with various women accountable,”
Say feckin WHAT ?
Now that really has my alarm bells ringing. That’s the sort of talk I would only expect from a 100% total mangina, the type willing to serve any others mans nads on a silver plater to some bint for the hint of her approval.
Get a feckin grip man !!!
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It’s more than just mere “feeling” – the reality is it has fallen apart. No one will help you or take the risk; it’s up to you.
Sadly, all true. Now, what do you do about it. Answer that in your head.
Sadly, with the status quo of today’s males, your dream will not happen.
No more so than if you just “looked forward to the day” of your first job, instead of actually going out and making it a reality.
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Yes. Let’s be totally fair and let OTHER MEN (aka “society”) pay for the privilege of providing lifetime welfare for generations of other men’s bastards.
That should work out great, if only we could try it for half a century.
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Let’s be honest. Most women today in the West are either married in the truest sense of the word either to their job which pays them money and possibly other benefits or if failing that are married to the government for welfare benefits. Being Married to a woman today is really only a Love affair as it was of olden days, but with you the man signing a marriage license. In other words the corporations(or jobs) and the government have replaced men as true marriage partners for women. Men are only romantic love interests and not true marriage partners of women as it is commonly understood today. Being maaried today is only a love affair which will end any time she wants it due to no fault divorce. Impregnating or marrying a woman today is a fools’s errand because you as a man essentially have no rights to your children or assets while you are enslaved to pay for it. Woman have all the reproductive rights and men have none and only responsibilities. Our elites created this mess and blame the victims which are men.
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@Skeptik: You said, “If society wants men to be part of the solution then they first need to start treating men as equal partners.”
WHAT?!
Men and fathers must be regarded by society and the gov’t as implicitly superior to women and mothers. Otherwise you maintain a man’s status as household eunuch addled by an inability to reason.
Women make babies; Men make sense!
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@ Firepower –
“Waging war via letters to the editor is a good baby step……….I expected someone choosing a name like yours to use more analysis, especially on obvious crumbs thrown to gullible reading masses.”
I think you’ve missed the point I was stating.
I’m simply pointing out there is a groundswell of opinion and mood for change reflected in those ‘baby step letters’.
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I thought we all knew who was responsible for the rioting (as in every other British Riot in the last thirty years) but I have looked at this Blog’s Commenting Policy and fear I may be in breach of Rule 3 if I explain further. It is noticable that in England during the 1930s depression when people were genuinely in financial difficulties, there was no rioting, but if I explain further I will again breach Rule 3.
As for Ms Odone, a product of a Union between an Italian and a Swede, so she is not in my view English, even her former boss – when she edited the Catholic Herald – the late Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster called her ‘the od(d) one’.
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OT but good news…the CAF site is now the #1 search result for “crimes against fathers”
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=22&gs_id=a&xhr=t&q=crimes+against+fathers
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Welmer,
it is worth reading the comments of the men on the article now it has been there a while..680 comments and they are overwhelmingly from men critical of the courts.
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Doclove & Highwasp,
I regret I have but one green thumb to give for my sanity…major thumbs up
Firepower is talking sense too (which has me worried).
Yes you’re right F-P, I haven’t gone over the top, nor will I – MGTOW. I wish those with greater stake and problems luck – been there, did what I did, paid my price, learned my lesson, and fuck ‘em (feminists / white knights and manginas), but I an not sacrificing more when society is FUBAR beyond what I can do.
(I hope) YMMV
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Does anybody still care anymore?
This article confirms what I said in another post: If you think you want to marry and have children, then do it OUTSIDE what is called the “West”.
I have South America in mind…
Let this be a lesson for the young guys who are still single and childfree: you just CAN’T win at the game being played in our society.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. WHATEVER you do, you are guilty by default.
And-there-is-NO-CURE-to it.
No cure!
Guys, it’s game over in the West.
Our society is poisoned. It is now highly toxic to men.
My suggestion is: FLEE while you can. The world is big and filled with opportunities: such ARE DENIED YOU in the West and will ALWAYS be denied.
There is no going back. Au contraire, things are still getting worse.
There will be other riots. And fathers will be increasingly accused, maybe even condemned to life in jail. And don’t tell me I’m exaggerating…
Just think back about how things were five years ago, ten, fifteen… do you see how much worse it has become?
Do you think that there exists even the smallest hope that our future might look a little less grim???
Pffffffft!!!
All hands abandon ship.
Join the millions of men who have “gotten it” and have left the Anglosphere never to return.
And let the women reproduce between themselves: after all, are they still a part of the human species?
Tell me honestly: do you give the smallest speck of shit about women now??
I don’t.
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Yep. When you reach 25 – I’ll be a genius.
When you’re 30 – I’ll be a God.
When you hit 40 – you’ll wish I was still the fuck around.
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I rarely miss a point. What I am doing, however, is reading between the lines.
You need to comprehend that editorial “awareness” of our “plight” has been crystal clear for a decade – even much longer.
You need to understand that writing letters only gets you so far.
And, that is here. Today.
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Firepower (PAN )
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Bill says
“There is something to be said for holding a guy who sires bastards with various women accountable,”
Say feckin WHAT ?
Now that really has my alarm bells ringing. That’s the sort of talk I would only expect from a 100% total mangina, the type willing to serve any others mans nads on a silver plater to some bint for the hint of her approval.
Yes. Let’s be totally fair and let OTHER MEN (aka “society”) pay for the privilege of providing lifetime welfare for generations of other men’s bastards.
That should work out great, if only we could try it for half a century.”
Yes, lets start by rounding them all up and having them castrated or maybe we could re introduce the stocks from the days of olde englande ? I wonder who would turn up to throw rotten fruit/veg ? Given your level of misandry and rage towards men. I strongly suspect you would be a ticket tout for such events, with a side line in rotten fruit sales.
Pfttt, your too easy wench, out of your league. Can’t you go find a nest of rats to pester and leave the adult men to talk ?
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crella August 25, 2011 at 03:35
“After WWII, there were a number of single mothers due to women being widowed, I don’t remember those children turning into louts”
Many of the men who were my fathers contemporaries were such orphans Crella. My dad was born in 37.
They reported to me that in their youth other men were there for them. There was a very common term used…..we called men close to our family but not in the family “uncle”. It was one of the highest honours a man could be given by a family to be treated as and called an “uncle”. The only two men who held that honour in my family was my fathers best man. It was only when I was about 10 I found out he was not a “real uncle”! LOL!! And, as I have mentioned here, my step-grandfather was called “uncle frank”.
When I was a lad those boys I knew who did not have fathers always had other men interested and willing to assist. One of my cousins had a “bad dad” according to the mother. He was constantly invited to other families to hang out with the other boys and the other fathers. He was a bit of a “wild one” but it was clear that these experiences were good to him. It was clear to me, even as a kid, that he missed having a father. He was more moody than other boys and prone to getting himself into fights. Even more than me!
I was talking to his mum, my aunt, when I was last at home. The tragedy is this. All this life he had wanted to one day be the father he felt his Dad let him down on by not being. He’s not a scholar by any means but he is a hard working man who does the best he can. He is as honest as the day is long. He is what we would call something of a rough diamond. Like so many men. He waited and waited and waited until he thought he found the “woman of his dreams”.
Sure enough…she popped out the pup and and then took the child support money and kicked him out. I think he lives in a caravan or tiny apartment. I am not sure. My aunt was telling me that at least once a week he calls her crying on the phone how all he ever wanted to be was the father that his father was not…and now this chance is taken from him. He’s the same age as me. Apparently he was taking it very hard because such a long held dream is taken from him with no fault on his part. And with child support and what not there is no chance any other woman will be interested in him….hypergammy and all.
His mother was bitching about the woman blah, blah. blah. We were at dinner at my dads place.
I was INFURIATED at her bitching about the woman. I said to her words to the effect.
“You know who is muchly to blame for this case with xxxxxxx? Women just like you. You are 70. You have the age, the experience and the moral authority to denounce women like this and call them the bitches and sluts that they are. To call them the child abusers that they are. To socially ostracise them and tell them that it is completely unacceptable to kick a man out who is being the best father he can be to his child. You know xxxxx is going to love that child to bits. You know as well as I do he has looked forward to this all his life given the situation with his father.
Yet what do you do about this? Nothing. Nothing at all. You just moan a bit.
Just look how everyone stayed silent when my children were kidnapped. Men and women alike. Where were the older generation who would say to Jennifer
“You are a complete bitch and a child abuser for kicking out a good husband who has done no wrong…..and to use lies to do it is even worse!! Peters children should be with the honest and honourable parent. Not a lying criminal woman like you!” ?
They were nowhere to be seen. Indeed. People, even my own father here, criticised me for “complaining” that my children were kidnapped.
Now you see the results of your silence with your son.
Women just like you being silent. That is why your son is calling you traumatised and depressed over the loss of his child. ”
And members here can imagine just how bluntly I said that.
My father immediately tried on “don’t you dare speak to your aunt like that” in white knight mode. I shot back “women have been claiming to be equal to us men for 40 years now. She’s 70. She’s an adult. I will speak to her how ever I feel like and you will not defend her from mere words. Let her speak for herself.”
He was most perturbed I spoke to him so sharply. My aunt said it was ok…..I was actually correct and she could see that now.
When I dropped her to her house we spoke again for more than an hour. I explained to her the Illuminati desire to drive a wedge between men and women, to create conflict, to create trouble by giving the women unbridled power to alienate the kids.
I put it to her that the silence of her and her generation, the last decent generation of wives, in the face of actions like Jennifers or the partner of my cousin was a key factor in the women like Jennifer feeling that they are free to commit crimes, they are free to abuse children, they are free to lie about fathers and denigrate them to engender hatred in the children for their fathers. They are free to break up families and go on welfare.
Sadly. I do not think she ever did anything with it.
This week? All my aunts, and MANY women in the “around 70″ range, will attend my mothers funeral. That they have stayed breathlessly silent in my case? That they have stayed breathlessly silent these last 30 years?
Well what do they expect is going to happen to their sons? What do they expect is going to happen to their grand sons?
It will be their grand sons setting the fires.
And it will be their silence that was a key factor.
That women have been silent in 99.99%+ of these cases is a total and utter disgrace Crella. And I put every single one of my aunts in that category. They have been total and utter disgraces in my case, my cousins case, and the many other cases of divorce in my generation of our family.
My father said to me once that he had hoped his eldest son had done more in life. He never married, never had kids, quit working at 35 after being the highest paid programmer in the country for some years.
I said to him.
“You mean like work his arse off at uni, work his arse off at his job, rise to one of the top people IN THE WORLD in his profession, renovate two houses, marry, have two kids and be the sole income earner for his family giving them opportunities you never dreamed your grand children would get…….then only to have the whole thing stolen, destroyed, taken away, his very children kidnapped and even his own father no say one word to the criminals who did this?
You mean you might have hoped he did THAT with his life?”
My father was suitably chastised in that statement that he did not bother to answer the question. He knew that no answer was possible.
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Don`t worry if the guv tries to bring in US style child support laws there will another massive riot. Half the rioters are probably dads with single moms themselves.
One other thing what is a Judeo-Christian? I think it`s a religion found only in the US and perhaps the UK. One could either be a Jew (belief in Old Testament) or a Christian (belief in Christ), you couldn`t be both.
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Haha, maybe the Futurist’s predictions are coming a little sooner in England than he previously thought (from his initial thoughts on America). I too would run as far from that country if I saw any laws passed to further steal what I earn.
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Firepower,
40+ and I AM glad you are around. Just don’t always agree wih your level of criticism of others.
We all start in different places, we have suffered different issues, so…we all have different levels of rage / levels of action for which we are willing to risk.
I agree that these WSJ wankers are late to say a fucking word, but it is progress. The more to gain these scum see to come from climbing aboard (and claiming credit) the more we gain…but they are cunts
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As usual, you exaggerate a valid point into Straw Man or Slippery Slope, instead of defending your actual point.
Which is: other men should pay for other men’s wildly flung seed.
YOU, are the liberal Labour champion of placing responsibility at the feet of anyone …but those responsible.
Your laughable “view” that your beloved london riot wogs are justified in their violence of blaming society, women and Maggie Thatcher is the same excuse women use for prosecuting men for past sins.
As far as old england – at least you perfumed socialists had balls when you had a Navy.
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Highwasp August 25, 2011 at 09:25
“the only difference is that now the corruption and theft is effecting women – and now men don’t care to help them.”
I have been saying since June 2008 that the purpose of FC is to drive a wedge between men and women so that when the time comes to kill the women and girls the men will intervene on their behalf FAR less than they would have otherwise done in previous times.
This happened in Russia. As the famines from the refusal of men to work spread the men took the food they needed to survive from whoever had it. Go read about how many “women and children” died in the famines of the 20s across Russia. All sorts of stories are propagates as to the cause of these famines. But if you read between the lines about the MILLIONS of fathers who simply refused to work, walked away from farming because their kids were stolen and the state stole any money they earned? You will understand what really happened.
Depopulation happened.
And it was so bad that STALIN was the guy who revoked the no fault divorce and high child support payments. STALIN as an MRA, eh? Makes you wonder just how bad it was when STALIN is the man who comes to your “rescue”, eh?
We are also seeing in the UK men OPENLY stating on newspaper blogs that they will not assist women who are being assaulted in the street.
When you combine a few million poor teen boys or 20 something men with the fact few men will defend women in the street? You get what we are seeing taking off in the UK. You get kids willing to kill old ages pensioners for the contents of their purse. The same 70-somethings like my mother who stayed silent these last 30 years. They are going to be beaten and bashed, often killed, for the contents of their purses.
How much easier it would have been to speak out.
Now they will die for their silence in increasing numbers.
My fav#4 was bitching to me one time about “everyone needs to pay their taxes”. I asked her why. She said “If boys do not get a good education, if they can not get a good job, they will steal from who ever they can steal from. If everyone does not pay there taxes you will end up with young men robbing people in the streets because that is the easiest thing to do.”
I replied…. “That’s fine, I shall buy a gun and take care of myself. Much cheaper than 20 years of income taxes.” And her next words are prophetic, she said “That’s all right for you, but what about me?” meaning that she is not confident to carry a gun and protect herself. She needs a safe society to live in.
Well? She has one in Germany. But the UK is going to get much more violent very soon now.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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If you’re wondering if Price is off is rocker, just remember he’s NOT an MRA, he’s a fucking so-con! Religious collectivism takes precedence over men.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Firepower ( PAN )
You are away with the fairies !
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Denis
If you’re wondering if Price is off is rocker, just remember he’s NOT an MRA, he’s a fucking so-con! Religious collectivism takes precedence over men.
Denis, forgive my ignorance. What exactly is a so con ?
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@Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)
So the sword is changing hands now?
It’s been “open hunting season” on men for long enough.
Just wait for women’s turn as the target.
I don’t know how many men have lost the sense of protection but it seems that there are lots of them.
It began in Montreal’s Polytechnique: all the guys walked out of the class with the full knowledge that the women were about to be shot.
None did the slightest thing to prevent that.
And now, men say it out loud and openly. Were I a woman, I would be very scared, knowing that there is no one in the street who will attempt to protect me.
Personally, I wouldn’t risk being accused of “harassment” for something as trivial as trying to save a woman’s life. Just not worth it.
Laughs best who laughs last… did I get that right?
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Thanks for that Acksiom, the term so con is a little clearer.
Me being from the UK a conservative is a conservative a bit like a feminist is a feminist no matter what other label they attach to the word.
Sort of explains Mr Prices views on many MRA issues.
Rebel. I believe it is; He who laughs last, laughs longest.
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@Firepower –
“You need to understand that writing letters only gets you so far.
And, that is here. Today.”
Nope.
But what I do understand is that as more and more men and women write letters expressing their disdain at the cultural misandry they experience the closer comes the day when the misandry bubble bursts. That’s why I’m encouraged to see an INCREASING number chorus of men (and some women too) writing in chorus what are essentially MRA messages in response to articles on major webzines.
As others here have noted our message is thus seeping into the mainstream media and mainstream consciousness.
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Why does any man need a (marriage) license for a ROMANTIC LOVE AFFAIR? He doesn’t and shouldn’t need one! Gentlemen, Just don’t get married and don’t impregnate her, and I’m not saying that all of your problems or potential problems will be solved with women, but it will significantly reduce them. Impregnating her will only get her TRUE HUSBAND which is the GOVERNMENT to extort money from the SLAVE which is YOU, MEN.
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Oddsock, I am not a socon.
Here’s a real socon denouncing The Spearhead.
Some guys are angry that I am not a rigidly dogmatic MRA, but that isn’t my style, and never will be.
Belief in change depends on age and what country you’re from. Here, even bans on the comparable Affirmative Action – taken all the way to the Supreme Court – are sidestepped and watered down into ineffectiveness by the Liberal Ruling Class. Regarding feminism and male discrimination, this same tactic of Liberal deception will be employed on GREATER levels on a dozing population too jaded to enforce it.
Encouragement never replaces advancement. For example: While I may feel encouraged that others are winning at a particular Blackjack table, it does me no good if I don’t play. If I don’t act.
Of this, it is I WHO am the skeptic. If you have a strong stomach like Price, read the New York Times. We may win certain small battles, but we are losing The War.
Massive government forces and social institutions – all with REAL penalizing, lethal power – are arrayed against you and us
and all we have
are letters to the editor.
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@ Peter
There is no strong leaders, the voters (also known as females, fear them), only strong corperations. They are reinventing the company store, us prols are never out of debt, and enjoying the destruction of organizations from families to labor unions that could stand in their way.
It will be interesting to see if things get as bad as in Russia. I never thought I would see what we have today. Things could easily go as you say.
I agree, with the baby boomer women, men die before retirement, raping their way to retirement, I think their grandchildren will be the biggest worry. These harridans hated men so much they encouraged their daughters in hatred, now the grandsons are very very angry with no hope of a carreer, relationship or family.
The elderly are at 13% of the population expected to rise to 30%, a number based on current birth rates, so, propably and underestimate because birth rates are dropping world wide like a stone.
In 2010
65-75, men 45% of population
75-85 men 39%
85-95 men 29%
http://transgenerational.org/aging/demographics.htm
Boomer women are about to drench the world so they can keep their Jimmy Cho’s and eat, pray, f@ with taxes paid by young men.
The competition will be between old women and young men.
Pass the popcorn.
I wouldn’t lift a finger to help these women.
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Some guys are angry that I am not a rigidly dogmatic MRA, but that isn’t my style, and never will be.
I may be nearly alone, but I’ll shout out the fact that I enjoy the diversity this blog provides to the greater MRA scene. It’s a little different from, for example, the MGTOW/Happy Bachelor blogs, and different again from the In Mala Fide type sites (I enjoy both those too); but contributes as much to pro-male thought as these other sources do.
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Mr Price
First off. It matters to me not one jot if you are a So Con Druid or Jedi Knight. It’s your site. I understand you do not have the same views as myself on MRA issues but I will take you to task if I believe you unfairly attack men. My stance is quite simple really. I will support almost any man providing he is not a feminist or a total mangina. I will even support a recovering mangina, being one myself. My aproach is to simply keep raising awareness. I have done my stint on the front lines, now its you younger guys turn to pick up the baton.
Interesting site link you posted. Full of the usual cloaked misandry.
Hey firepower. Do you own that site ? It’s full of contradictions and has more twists and turns than a bag of worms.
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The perfect example of a “movement” with some applicable power is the Tea Party.
They have even elected adherents to real live actual public office.
The result?
Despite protests – a deficit ceiling raised.
And, organized MSM hatred and propaganda…
to the point of actually affecting the Tea Party’s popularity in polls.
Smearing “them” as villains.
A good start? Yes.
Way more work to do.
And the enemy will try every vile, dirty cheating trick to defeat, destroy or even kill you.
You all have much work to do cleaning out a stable where every pile of shit has been swept under the hay for decades.
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Oh, and don’t feel encouraged, empowered or even emboldened about cleaning out those Augean Stables
just do it
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@oddsock:
A socon or so-con is short for “social conservative,” most typically someone who adheres to Judeo-Christian ideology; most typically is a Republican or member of the Tory Parties; and generally rejects Marxism. They proclaim to be very pro-family within the “traditional” construct of family (i.e., the man is the primary breadwinner). So-cons of this era include Sarah Palin (despite her claim to be a feminist), Michelle Bachmann, Margaret Thatcher, R Reagan, etc.
I’m no authority, but that’s a general description.
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Firepower
oddsock
I just simply used it to enrage you further, with great effect, don’t you think ?
No. Rage in incongruous and unconnected to rage in the intelligent thinker.
You are quite a good writer, hopefully my posts will awaken you further and stop you trying to shit stir on topics of race and open your eyes.
That’s like telling a robbery victim his funds are going to “those more in need.”
This is an MRA website.
Perhaps, once. NOW, it’s a place for boys to rant about women, vent – and do it all over again. It’s a children’s tattletale fest. A circle jerk of griping.
You will find no joint activity amongst the inactive-activists who’d rather close their eyes than hear the awful truth.
Not the best place to start trying to cause division lest you be branded a feminist troll or an MRA website destroyer.
Been here already a great deal longer than you.
Heard the same feeble threats from several of your predecessors who could not refute my statements and so resorted to ad hominem attacks on my “motives.” Will be here longer than you.
Fine. “It’ll all be better when we finally take over like we should!”
Many of your posts especially about race had the potential with often veiled and sometimes direct insults aimed clearly at the black members
Screw the blacks.
You seem determined to elevate those who invest more effort destroying your country than they do building it. Funny, I see more blacks tearing down england (little “e”) than I do building it.
Even with your Fascist Liberal State Propaganda Media that seems to have subdued YOU…quite well.
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Firepower ( PAN )
There is no point in me addressing anything you have written above simply because (a) you display the standard characteristics of someone with an abusive personality disorder as perfectly described by Erin Pizzy e.g The emotional terrorist ( b) From experience and keeping with the views of Erin Pizzy. There is nothing to be gained by trying to negotiate or reason with an emotional terrorist. Thus, my reply is for the benefit of the younger less experienced guys.
You see Firepower, You have continually made reference to things that I did not say, you argue from one view point and then totally contradict it in another post to someone else on another thread. It’s almost like you are arguing with yourself and then giving answers to questions that you imagined or thought I said. This is why I say, you write and argue like an (abusive ) woman. As many of us know only too well, it is a futile exercise in even talking to such a person.
Again, I still stick with my view that you are full of rage/anger and I suspect you are very closely related to PAN.
Finally, as regards your comment ” screw the blacks “. Well, apart from it being a really sick and sad comment. You lose yet again. You see, any guy that is really starting to see reality will have a similar view as to myself. My concern is for all (awakening ) men, regardless of colour or religion.
What men face today there is no place for child like attempts at shit stiring or racism. Unless of course your a feminist troll ?
As you Americans say; You just had your ass handed to you on a plate, again.
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@oddcock
Don’t you have some more of Price’s works to interpret for us?
You know, so we get his “real” meaning and whatnot?
Wouldn’t want you to spend your time crafting anything like a defensible statement of your position. I’m guessing, bottom?
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Thanks Zorro
Sort of explains the Reagan Thatcher relationship.
Anyway, regardless of the names, I am a politcal athiest. They are IMHO nothing but corporate puppets, but become very wealthy puppets for their troubles. E.g ” Tony Bliar “
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@oddcock
“Don’t you have some more of Price’s works to interpret for us?
You know, so we get his “real” meaning and whatnot?
Wouldn’t want you to spend your time crafting anything like a defensible statement of your position. I’m guessing, bottom?”
When you can describe to a blind person what the colour red looks like, get in touch with me and will explain things to you. Until then you are just flapping your lips.
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And these are the lads who will be rioting next.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029847/GCSE-results-2011-Record-results–boys-fall-girls.html
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my comment to the newspaper? Which reflects many other mens comments.
Only extremely hateful people would celebrate the unlawful and immoral abuse of boys in schools which is leading them to be disinterested in school and thereby leaving the space open for girls to “outperform boys”.
I am 47. When I was 6 I knew female teachers were useless having had one in kindergarten. School is about turning out compliant drones of similar standards. The LAST thing schools are about is education. I managed to educate myself DESPITE attending school.
By the way? I was top of my high school and won the only national scholarship for physics in Australia….and turned it down. I am now top 20 in the world in my profession DESPITE my schooling.
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The fool battles with everyone else’s ego the sage battles with his own.
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oddsock August 25, 2011 at 13:18
Hey Oddsock….FP is nowhere near where I am. He is his own man and has his own opinion. But I am directly taking on four national governments in my own name.
Australia, Ireland, Germany and UK.
How many people have written in their own name to 4 national leaders and gotten responses from 3 of them? The ONLY national leader I have not got a response from that I have written to is Australia…….and there is a good reason for that….I am going to ask for the death penalty for both Rudd and Gillard.
That Rudd disgraces my small home town of Uranqunity by being a blatant criminals is beyond the pale. (And yes, I do actually know where that came from.)
The only OTHER so called “world leader” who has not responded to me is ban ki-Moon. This is over the issue that I have TWO letters from the German guvment stating that the UNs Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not legally binding on the german guvment.
If you are a German man here? You might want to write to Angela Merkel and ask her why she says that the UNs UDHR does not apply to Germans. Are they not human? Are they not of this universe?
By the way…all the German men I have asked as t o whether they would like to translate my documents into German to present onto Angela Merkel and her fellow criminals have run a mile. If any German man here wishes to translate my documents into German and work with me on the World passport in Germany so our brothers in other parts of the world can come to Germany, wonderful country that it is, and establish new lives here? Please contact me on peter.nolan@peternolan.com.
I am proposing that our brothers who are so under the thumb in the west might be offered the opportunity of asylum in Germany and learn to integrate into this great nation that I have come to enjoy and call where I want to live. After all? With the collapse of birth rates in Germany? You could do with a few extra men around here.
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Newest census date shows that in 2009 trad cons have higher divorce rate then northeastern liberals:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/08/25/divorce.bible.belt/index.html
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The rationale according to CNN is that more southeners marry, or in other words, northesterners marry later or in other words……que Dalrock….
the marriage strike is having major inpact on marriage rates?
@ doclove
I agree with your conclusions, dating today is like sleeping with one of the governments harem, marriage…please…spend money….why?
Their lucky they get let out of the cubical at 5pm.
Win, MRM.
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oddsock August 25, 2011 at 13:18
One other point….I am a welcome vistor on Erins facebook…though she does rather disagree with my strongly stated sentiments.
Erin is something of a hero of mine….and she reminds me very much of one of my grandmothers…..very strong willed women my grandmothers….and very forthright and very honest. Also of Irish descent.
True story…I know I have put this here before but we have many new readers since then. So old timers can tolerate this as it is instructive to the lads to know there are good women….it’s just that they are not with us in the west any more.
In December 1996 I was doing the Landmark Forum again. In a break on the saturday our homework was to call someone who was important in your life and acknowledge them for what they had done for you. My nanna was in Royal St Vincents in Sydney which all sydney siders know is not that far from Oxford street.
I determined to run and get a cab and go see my nanna who was in for chemo and it didn’t look good.
When I arrived two of my aunts (her daughters) were there. I felt embarrased but I was determined to say my piece.
She was sitting quietly so I determined I would kneel on my haunches before her to place myself below her in a respectful position, the grandchild acknowledging the grandmother. I went on to tell her who she was for me. How she taught me so much. How I loved her so. How I would keep her with me for my life. How I would teach my kids the lessons she taught me. I have never so thoroughly acknowedged anyone in my life…..not even my mum and dad.
At the end she simply smiled and said “thank you”. Even now I have tears as I remember that moment. My aunts were weeping openly when I finished….they commented they had never heard anyone speak like this in their lives.
The upshot was that she died not long later. Dad was the eldest son. For some reason I was asked to give the “grand childrens eulogy” despit the fact that it was tradition that this was for the oldest grandchild to give. I worked so hard on that speech.
At her funeral fully 1,000 people were there from a town of only 40,000 or so at the time. Some had driven more than 100 miles to be there. Many football teams sent delegations to form the guard of honour. The church only sat about 300-400 people and there were loud speakers strewn outside to carry the proceedings to the crowd that had turned up.
The old men told me that they had never seen the like of it in their lives.
It was the most honoured speech, and most difficult speech, I have ever delivered.
I cried in the delivery which was an honest reflection of how overcome with emotion I was in burying my grandmother.
Later. After the burial. My Dad and I were walking together. We were both very sad. He stopped and said to me.words to the effect.
“I am sorry that you were asked to give that speech. I thought you could handle it.” He was referring to me crying during the delivery of the speech.
At that time we were walking together. I put my hand on his shoulder to stop him and turn him to me. I said.
“Do you not yet understand that that speech was perfect?”
He said nothing. He just nodded in agreement.
At which point we put our arms around each other and we walked to the cars. Father and son bound by respect for the loss of a loved one and in a new understanding that the boy had become a man of some standing.
It grieves me that I must use the death of my fathers wife to point out how far my family has fallen from the times when a woman like my nanna was the matriarch.
She sure as hell would not put up with the shit women go on with now.
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– Uh-huh. In some cases that accountability that catches up to them happens to be maintneance payments or child support.
Yes, there are two people involved with recreational sex leading to procreation, and, yes, the one who bears children should be vigilant with pre-caution, but the one who is cavalier in his practices should put a sock on it, already.
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I have a solution British Government. Here it is fund and expidite a male birth control pill. Charge a good price and double down on the misandry on any man that fathers a child out of wed lock. Start there and the men will handle the rest.
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OT…win compensation because you can’t put up with strip lighting you empowered grrrrrrls.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030066/Charity-worker-wins-21-000-compensation-fluorescent-office-lights-crippling-headaches.html
Hey…..Fred….pass me that bomb disposal equipment….I don’t want this bomb I am defusing to go off….
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my comment which will surely be censored.
So how would this grrrrrrrl go in a bomb disposal unit?
Or how about working down a coal mine?
Let’s make it easy, deep see fishing, or maybe working on an oil rig.
Yeah….you grrrrrrls are so equal you need to get a payout for “headaches” from strip lighting.
Is it any wonder us men have no respect for you?
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A good friend of mine, a street wise type fellow, is a staunch Republican. He boasts about how his wife has been on unemployment for the past 4 months and it doesn’t cost him a thing. He also boasts about his criminal daughter getting all this service, housing and counseling from the county, says it doesn’t cost him a thing. But yet, constantly complains about high taxes, Democrats, Obama, etc. This is a typical mentality.
Connecting the dots of such an enormous, unwieldy system is beyond the scope of the average citizen to comprehend…and that’s JUST the way politicians like it.
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Girl fight. The NY urban elite feminists are pissed that German moms take off for their children so we have women forcing other women to work, nice:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/world/europe/24iht-letter24.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&src=twrhp
Sisters are doing our work for us…you go grrrrrl!
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‘I’m sure others have thought of it already but your post made me think. Indeed there were a few very famous louts that were born and raised soon after WWII. They were called hippies.’
How many cities did they torch? Did they overturn cars and burn them when their teams won matches? Did they randomly beat people on the street? Perhaps they were the same as these London-burning louts, but it’s that the sheer numbers of fatherless children due to maternal choice has caused the lout factor to reach critical mass…
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OT….
wah, wah, fucking wah…
I forgot to have a baby and never met Mr. Right.
And just look at the comments….scathing…
Suck it up sweetie….good luck with those cats!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2029765/Im-childless-I-havent-Mr-Right–hurts-infertility.html
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OT…my comment which will surely be censored…but I invite other men to come over and say similar….
“You women have stolen the children of men and destroyed their lives in your millions. Now you “cant find Mr. Right”.
Gee. What a surprise. Only a man who is an imbecile and certifiably insane would marry in the UK.
You women made your bed. Now sleep in it.”
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@ Crella
The radicals burned parts of cities, like Watts, did bombings, bank robbery and murder, which is worse than what happened in the UK.
But I agree with you the scope of fatherlessness is staggering. But many think it’s no big deal, even the host of this site is not convinced that FRA aren’t blowing smoke with all this talk of needing fathers. Feminists are currently cranking out study after study “proving” what you postulate is false.
I don’t know, I’m just a dude trying to get by. But I think we will find out in about 10 years.
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@ Rebel:
“I have South America in mind…”
As do I, good sir! How could we get together and compare notes?
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crella August 25, 2011 at 16:57
The lout factor is not to do with the number….it is to do with men being denied their normal and natural role as moderators in society.
When I was a kid ANY adult man could give me a clip on the ear for mis-behaving. I recall one time I was walking home and scuffing my school shoes…I must have been 5. Some man I never met whacked me behind the ear and said
“Show respect for the shoes your father worked for”
It is the first time I can remember someone wacking me that I didn’t know….and I got hundreds more of them as a kid. Every man was quite free to clip a kid who was not showing due respect to other men, boys and what his parents had given him.
When I was 16 my industrial design teacher was showing my physics teacher and really interesting diagram laid out and printed on a large plotter device. These were rare and I was keenly interested to see what they were talking about….so I looked over the arm of the Industrial arts teacher. He ripped his elbow back and wacked me in the jaw….he simply turned to me and told me “let that be a lesson. do not be rude and look over someones shoulder”…
I never did it again…..ever…….
40 years ago….even 30 years ago…..men were totally, completely, and utterly dominant….if a man told a lad to jump he would jump and ask how high on the way up and apologise if he went too far….
It was tough…but it was fair….men understood….lads who are not socialised to act in the best interests of the community will tear that community apart…
Hence…to destroy western civilisation all that is needed is to remove men from the upbringing of boys……let women raise children? The nation is destroyed…it is that simple….
As I pointed out. After only 20 years of “feminism” russia was so destroyed that MRA STALIN re-introduced hard to divorce laws.
This is how stupid woman are…..dumb as rocks.
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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) August 25, 2011 at 17:09
WOW! That was published!! They have NEVER allowed a post like that from me before…..either it was automatic at this time of night or some man was on the moderator button!!
Cool!
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This got through too!!! This article is on automatic…step in lads…say what you have to say..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2029765/Im-childless-I-havent-Mr-Right–hurts-infertility.html
“The old misandrist cow spent 2 decades rejecting MANY good men. She can cry us a river. – Bob Knows, Mytown, USA, 25/8/2011 17:13″
“Amen Bob. And women are so stupid they vote you down for telling the truth.
After my 5% vs 95% divorce? I will never marry again. And many a lad I have spoken to will not marry either. Only stupid men marry now.”
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“Only 14 percent of women return to full-time work after having one child, and only 6 percent after Baby No. 2.”
Looking around where I live? I can’t believe this is even close to true.
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The propaganda machine will not stop. Don’t expect feminists to back down while our society is disintegrating. It is the psychopathic dark side of women that controls our society and it is evil in its purest form.
Feminists will prefer to see society collapsing than admitting they were wrong. Their solution to everything is even more insane policies. That is what the Left always does, when its policies are failing they are calling for more leftist policies. Same thing happened in the USSR, its economy was crumbling due to decades of failed socialistic policies yet the Politburo was arguing that the solution was more socialism, the strengthening of the public sector etc.
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Apparently it is “news” that women use their sex appeal to get ahead at work.
“I use my sex appeal to get ahead at work… and so does ANY woman with any sense”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2029781/I-use-sex-appeal-ahead-work–does-ANY-woman-sense.html#ixzz1W5nJzR2g
Oh…and please don’t miss this quote….
“By the age of 30 I had a three-quarter-of-a-million-pound house, a Mercedes convertible (and a Mercedes estate for when I took my dogs out), a walk-in dressing room crammed with clothes that Carrie Bradshaw would be envious of — oh, and I had a generous six-figure salary and a high-ranking position in my chosen industry.”
Any fathers out there feel just a little pissed off abut this?
Oh…that’s right….just be a little miffed and have another drink and go to sleep in an alcoholic stupor on some cheap booze while women laugh at you and tell you just exactly what they think of you and your stupidity in the press.
Of course…it this bitch got pregnant it would be all the MANS fault so he would have to pay, pay, and double down and pay again.
And of you men getting pissed off yet? Or do you need your nose shoved in the shit women are feeding you some more?
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OT;
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/mar/10/tennessee-supreme-court-considers-alimony/
Is there any man who wants to live in Tennessee? Think about it. This IS a woman’s state.
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The state of Tennessee is considering forcing men to pay alimony…..for life.
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I used the screen name MAD. I invite all of you to state your thoughts.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/nashville-tn/TBE3K3CBF9FMME19B
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“Erin is something of a hero of mine…”
We need to get back to proper English. Heroes are male, heroines are female. Guys are men, etc.
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@PAN
a small correction. It didn’t take Stalin 20 years to become General Secretary, He was more or less the head of the USSR since 1922 when Lenin became ill. He, indeed as you correctly pointed out, abolished all anti-family- feminists laws. He moreover brought back all the czarist laws against homosexuality, he promoted modesty and traditional ethics and stopped the wild sexual orgies Bolsheviks were routinely engaged in. Basically Stalin saved Russia from a total societal collapse.
Despite his unbelievable crimes Stalin understood that no society can survive without patriarchy.
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@FIREPOWER
“and all we have are letters to the editor.”
All you have is your determination to fight. Fuck the letters and fuck the editors! We don’t need those fuckers.
Just fight.
If you win your battle, you will owe your victory to no one but yourself: that’s where grandeur is. Life is a battlefield.
And if you lose your battle, at least you have fought like a warrior and died on your feet. And that’s what life is about.
Men are not women! Men need nobody. Men fight.
Men, NOT women, will conquer the universe. It’s our sacred mission.
The “letters to the editors”? Christ! They can be rolled real tight and inserted into a my dog’s asshole!
Of the hundreds of billions of living beings on this planet, only 3,5 billions enjoy the supreme benefit of being MEN.
Let me share a little secret with you: the Y chromosome bears God’s signature. ( I hope you like my imagery).
It is the magic element that pulled us from the ape state to what we are today. The Y chromosome is responsible for man’s evolution.
It carries God’s signature. We are the only species that accomplished this “tour de force”.
A man is Nature’s highest achievement. The female is an attachment.
What was that again about some letters and some stupid editors?
Mmmm?
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Nothing against FP but notice “Y” does not appear to have it’s legs out as “X” does.
Also, I have no children and I have never been married. Why do I give a fuck about Father’
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Nothing against FP but notice “Y” does not appear to have it’s legs out as “X” does.
Also, I have no children and I have never been married. Why do I give a fuck about Father’
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Nothing against FP but notice “Y” does not appear to have it’s legs out as “X” does.
Also, I have no children and I have never been married. Why do I give a fuck about Father’s/ex husbands rights?
Because Fathers’ and ex husbands are men.
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Also, Men are humans. Men more than deserve to be treated as humans. Men deserve to be treated as creators/constructionists/innovators/people/ thinkers/doers/ considerers/ positive human beings.
Both feminists and their ilk MUST STOP TREATING AND VIEWING US AS CRIMINALS. We have had more than enough of the harassment that HAS been levelled against us.
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We are changers, shakers, motivators and so much more beneficial than society and political/politicized windbags realize.
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Whatever one does or doesn’t do- it’s still the man’s fault – so do whatever you see fit, except marry.
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“She was very anxious that we shouldn’t have the same pressures to be married and to be conventional, that we should have the opportunity to have careers. I think that was her motivating force behind getting us a very good education.”
So we see female education is the wall built to exclude marriage.
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this is a very important point. They see education as a route to social engineering, not self-reliance. Education is the last edifice that has yet to be knocked out, and unfortunately until it is knocked out it will hold up the false promise of (pretended) equality. Women and men will always be dependent on each other, the best is trying to have to make due with what nature gave us. Anything else is moonshine.
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I agree with Firepower. This yackety yack about writing letters to elected officials/editors of news outlets is useless. It has been the SOP of baby-boomer MRA’s since the Baby-Boomer MRA’s started complaining they weren’t getting their fair share of crumbs from the equality pie.
Although, on the other hand, I do believe there is some usefulness in writing on the web… some usefulness.
The MRM seems to go through phases. For several years, they will sit around and console eachother, and give eachother pats on the back for “giving men a place to vent and talk.” This is the weak phase of the MRM – when men behave like women.
But, every once in a while, someone comes into the MRM with a belly full of fire, and actually starts researching things, and relaying them to other men. Then conversations become based upon these new theories, and the MRM – or rather, men in general – advance to some degree.
Zenpriest is such a man who does not come around to whine, but rather to philosophize, and thus, unlock chambers in other men’s minds. Roissy, as well, with his game theories, has unlocked many minds.
So, I agree. Writing letters, posting URL’s at urinals, voting in a certain way… etc. etc., will have little effect. This has been the MRM mantra for 30 years now, and each year, thousands of more injustices keep getting foisted upon men. Some success!
However, if men stop frickin’ whining all the time, and start forming some solid theory, hopefully it can make some impact on other men, and someday we can hold the key to unlock the bitches from mad-hatter county, and send them to their demise in the firey furnace from whence they came.
In other words. If all we are going to do is write, then at least let’s use our brain power to write about theory instead of being whiny little biatches who emulate women.
The Spearhead used to have several “theorists.” Sadly, none of them are around anymore.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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http://www.fredoneverything.net/UnderclassLetter.shtml
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Hello Jeb:
What you label “whining” is actually the construction of a critical theory of society. It’s a means to illuminate problems, and thereby weight them down to collapse beneath their own dysfunctional structure. “Whining” is nothing more nor less than a sociological lever, by which we might change the underlying structure of the society we criticize.
The Spearhead used to have several “theorists.” Sadly, none of them are around anymore.
I disagree. I see a ton of theorists, all presenting theory (often competing but usually to the same ends) which promises improvement in the status quo. By improvement I don’t mean a courtesy lounge, where every man will get milk and cookies for eternity, but a critical stake by which men can unite and work toward their own liberation.
A theory achieves criticality when it ceases to be affirmative. Ironically, the more “mainstream” the MRM gets (and it is getting there) the less critical it will be, and as a result, we will need to make our revolution permanent. Eventually, the so-called leaders of this movement will self-declare a need to “work within the system” (and a couple of big names are already doing this) which will signal to the rest of us that they have been co-opted by the same establishment they pretend to criticize.
The strength of this movement is, paradoxically, in its disunity. The MRM is a post-modern, decentered force which can not be overcome from without, since every man is seemingly going in a different direction, and the goal is so broad that individual members can not be easily identified. Our uniform is our sex, and our desire to destroy that which is is our only strategic rallying point.
Regards, Boxer
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Yeah, there are lots of guys who like to “theorize” within their own noggins.
There are only one in a hundred who could be bothered to “look it up!” and provide something truly useful.
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For example: The URL’s at Urinals campaign has been discussed in the MRM now since God knows when. Sure, TFH thought it up originally… along with dozens of men before him. They also thought up sticking bookmarks with URL’s in library books at universities, and also, thought up simply writting URL’s on dollar bills, and letting them go through monetary circulation.
It’s all been done before.
And it simply gets done over and over again. With the same results. The average lifespan of an MRA is three years. Do you think they have any inkling of what went on a decade before?
While it might not be firepower (heh heh, pun intended), one might, after a few decades ask why these tactics don’t work, rather than just rallying the troops to keep failing at a failing cause. Perhaps, when theorists delve deeper down, some solution will arise. So far, the most poignant, has been MGTOW – in its original, not bastardized, form. That is not to say that it is the only solution – but merely a stepping stone to future solutions.
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I notice that the guys who accuse MRAs of nothing but “whining” aren’t ever in the news for taking action. Most of them want someone else to do something.
Is calling for someone to come up with a “theory” taking action?
Right now you do what you can do bit by bit however small. That’s how a critical mass is formed. Unless the “action” that is bemoaned is a lawsuit it’s likely to result in negative propaganda and excessive retaliation. Small choices and insignificant seeming actions are usually not worth a public response or comment.
Is a judge going to get even with you for not getting married? Do you really suffer when you ignore a rude female? That’s largely the level we’re on right now.
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GYOW.
Get the fark out, go to ground, cover your back, seek greener pastures, warmer climes and tranquil settings.
Let the bastards and their bitchin’ breeder cows eat each other.
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To update JFK: Success has a thousand mothers, failure has a thousand fathers.
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PAN, I’m sure you noticed this feminist’s comment;
I have spent the last four years trying to gain equality for women in the workplace, it’s these sort of women who are an embarrassment to women. They are practically prostituting themselves.
- NM, UK, 26/8/2011 11:57
My comment which more than likely won’t pass the filters;
It’s working out for you really great huh? Just think; If/when her sex appeal doesn’t work, she can always threaten a man with sexual haraasment (something she is guilty of NOW). Don’t complain, women/womyn/wimmin here in the U.S. pull the same BS. It’s womyn/wimmin like you who empowered other wmyn/wimmin to do what this woman is doing. Remember ” womyn’s lib”? All of you built the monsters, NOW deal with them.
Do not blame any men except those who assisted you in your creations.
Grrrl power! LMAO!!!!!
There is this;
God, I hate this woman.
- Lorna, Nottingham, 26/8/2011 11:47
Don’t hate just congratulate. She IS excercising GRRRRL POWER!
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
I prefer to know that I have gotten to where I am in my professional life through hard work and perserverance rather than clevage or mini skirts! I look forward to the day when you employers realise that your skills dont go much further than choosing what to wear in the morning – and think of all the hard working genuine women you have left in your wake! Nice one, congratulations on setting women back a few decades!
- harriette, Spain, 26/8/2011 10:28
Be careful NOW, you are sexually harassing this strong, independant and “liberated woman.” After all, she IS demonstrating her body, her right and her choice; though it might not be what you prefer her to do. By the way, how are your cats?
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Rebel@
“Let me share a little secret with you: the Y chromosome bears God’s signature. ( I hope you like my imagery).
It is the magic element that pulled us from the ape state to what we are today. The Y chromosome is responsible for man’s evolution.
It carries God’s signature. We are the only species that accomplished this “tour de force”.
A man is Nature’s highest achievement. The female is an attachment.”
Don’t disagree, but can you give us some information and sources for this?
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Yes, sometimes Price does bend over backwards to be fair and “see both sides of the issue”, to a fault. It’s probably due in part to his Scandinavian DNA, as we can from looking at Northern European feminist hellholes. I don’t mean that as an insult to Price, I’ve personally suffered from the same Scandinavian problem, although long cured.
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@Jeb
Funny how the only ones whe make a point of anything we do not having any real effect, are the same ones not doing anything, otherwise they’d notice what’s BEEN going on.
True, years ago a few letter to the editor would trickle in and if one got actually got published there’d be a celebration. What’s happening now is email boxes are being stuffed with hundreds of responses, comments and complaints, and it IS having an effect , because men never complained before. Have you noticed a decided LACK of misandry in the MSM
compared to 6 or 7 year ago?
Look at what S.A.V.E. is doing. Look at what we’re doing to Mary Kellett in Bangor, Maine. Sharon Osbourne APOLOGIZED! I could go on and on about inroads and effect a few hundred activists “doing nothing but writing” are having.
So this begs the question; if writing is and always has been ineffective, why are you even bothering to do it here today? Isn’t this a bit like attending a football game and doing nothing but complaining about how you hate football to everyone around you?
It’s exactly your kind of attitude that, up until now, WAS WHY the MRM never really got off the ground. Always criticizing and nitpicking others efforts, but never doing anything yourself. That’s the Old School MRA defined…Zed’s circular firing squad.
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>>We here in the USA have free speech; we’ve been writing “strongly worded letters ” to the editor for over a decade.
Well, yes, I’d say that is correct. I started in 1978, which is certainly over a decade. A total of one every two months till 1993 when I decided it made no sense to defend men who refused to stand up for themselves, and started making plans to GTHO.
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@ Keyster.
Hallelujah!
Spot on comment about letter writing brother.
Brilliantly spelt out. Thankyou!
Phew! Someone else gets it.
It’s such a ***king simple idea too!
I get the impression some folks think if you aren’t charging around with a placard, or throwing flower bombs at politicians or some other action other than writing that you are somehow not an activist.
That strikes me as frustrating and frankly dumb-asssed snobbish thinking which is condescending in the extreme and unduly demeaning of the MILLIONS of collective man hours men and women writers put into spreading the MRA message.
One only has to look at the power the written word has had over many millenia (Bible, Koran, Tao, Mein Kampf, Communist manifesto, The female eunuch, The writings of Angry Harry and Zed etc bloody etc!!!) to understand writing IS very definitely political activism!
Bejesus! Try telling Professor Larry Sommers that his writing wasn’t seen as political action for starters!
Can we move on from the circular firing squad Keyster so fittingly mentions to do our own chosen ACTION, be it writing, or whatever else that’s MRA now?
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“Can we move on from the circular firing squad Keyster so fittingly mentions to do our own chosen ACTION, be it writing, or whatever else that’s MRA now?”
Sadly to some out there, complaining about the ineffectiveness of the MRM is “action”. Who am I to judge what constitutes it? To these types self-immolation on the steps of a family court house is nothing more than the waste of a good match I suppose.
And to all the grissled veterans who did something (and still are), even on a local level, consider yourselves intensely prophetic and wise. The timing wasn’t right is all. It still might not be, but you must admit this internet contraption is a paradigm shifter toward awareness and organization on many levels.
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I agree letter writing works, but only if a lot of men do it. My own letters, 90 of them in 15 years, were good, and were militant enough. The problem is with only one man doing it, it matters now how correct they are. It is easy to ignore one man as a nutcase. The other name for One Man Army is cadaver. You can’t do that when comments are filled with pissed off men.
It makes everyone, not just feminists and evil judges, nervous when men speak out in large numbers. That is not supposed to happen. Men are supposed to be docile, and content with their miserable fate, glad to be enslaved and abused. I compare large numbers of men speaking out, to a 3900 pound Holstein bull broken out of his pen and on a rampage.
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It makes everyone, not just feminists and evil judges, nervous when men speak out in large numbers. That is not supposed to happen. Men are supposed to be docile, and content with their miserable fate, glad to be enslaved and abused. I compare large numbers of men speaking out, to a 3900 pound Holstein bull broken out of his pen and on a rampage.
Absolutely right. Much of the present system is based upon illusions, and the survival of the system is dependent upon the vast majority buying into the smoke-and-mirrors game. Unfortunately, the money is fast running out, and people tend to lose “faith” (LOL) when they start going hungry.
There is a rather horrible day of reckoning coming, and a lot of bloody upheaval. I hope all the men around these parts are keeping a list of the worst offenders in their local areas, because when the smoke starts rising, it’s going to be up to us to dispense justice and get payback for those who didn’t survive to get their own. Remember that poor guy up in the northeast USA who burned himself to death? All the cops and judges sat around taunting him while he did it, on the steps of the courthouse. I hope there are some decent brothers who will wipe out those faggot pigs and mangina judges just for decency’s sake.
Enough said.
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That’s great, Mr. Buddha. It explains why you never back up your arguments
and instead
engage in furious
mental masturbation
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Bingo.
The theorists have moved on after discovering their audience is millenials and children raised on the Ritalin ADD “timeout for Jeremy” mentality. I fear such weak foundations; the fundamentals of Manhood were brainwashed out of them. That, was not their own doing and they are blameless. But, they bear full blame for not awakening.
I can show you the stupid. I can show you the proof.
When accused of having zero accomplishment, they use distraction tactics and smokescreens. Then, provide no evidence.
It all turns into a Kindergarten class whining about teacher not giving them nap time.
It’s like a maestro being forced to listen to a grade school recital.
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Firepower
oddslot
The fool battles with everyone else’s ego the sage battles with his own.
That’s great, Mr. Buddha. It explains why you never back up your arguments
and instead
engage in furious
mental masturbation”
Why on earth would I even try to enlighten you? You are clearly a very angry person and at the moment you need to engage in doing battle with other adult child ego’s. That is not an insult by the way, it is reality.
I am a little intrigued though. I was going to ask you who exactly are you angry with ? I mean what group? Is it simply men in general or perhaps just the men that may come under the banner of MRA ?
It doesn’t really matter about your anger etc as I and many others, I am sure, will have had the same rage once we really started to grasp how badly we ( men) had been shafted. Anyway, I am genuinely curious, I would really like to hear your proposals for mens progress, assuming that is what you want and why you are on spearhead?
You have my word, I will not try and play down make fun of or point score anything you suggest, infact, I will more than likely ask where why and how of your proposals and by who and when, if you get my drift ?
Go ahead, let your guard down, lose the ego for a while. I am all ears. Er,, eyes.
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Go ahead and fight amongst youselves. I am still doing whatever I can, under the threats of feminist and government retalliation, to build the army against feminism and it’s ilk.
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“It makes everyone, not just feminists and evil judges, nervous when men speak out in large numbers.”
Yes, there’s a critical mass that you seem to have to reach. A dozen or so “nut cases” has now gone to at least several hundred, some more active than most; so we’re now safely in the “lunatic fringe” realm.
One or two letters in the mail has morphed into maybe 100 emails, partly because of convinience. And then there are the comments sections on articles. Who are all those guys? That wasn’t happening 5 years ago.
AVfM internet radio gets a few hundred live listeners at a time, but the recorded “podcast” version gets well into the thousands for each show.
Trying to be as unbiased and removed as I can be, there seems to be something happening out there. Elam (and SAVE) is now issuing genuine press releases on the wire for Christ’s sake! Can you imagine one getting picked up by the NYT or WSJ or the Birmingham Gazzette on a slow news day? Might be another year or two, but a national breakthrough into the MSM is emminent…then we ride that wave of momentum and so forth.
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Letter writings do get the attention of the recipient(s). We know the theory – one letter to a politician’s office allegedly represents one hundred people (or thou) thinking the same but not communicating the same idea.
And, as it’s been alluded to already, one lone person’s letter is deep-sixed as irrelevant. But 50 or 600? The vote hungry, those in guv who want to extend their lucrative pension awarded employment eventually start incorporating the language and ideas of the people writing. (That’s another matter).
But do we want to further the careers of those who brought such misery to everyone by them adopting our ideas? (I have no answer to that, yet). Developing our own idea stance to the point of irrefutability
can catch the guilty off guard and then whammo – fire or vote out the whole sordid lot of them who ignored our position. Everyone in the room noticed the pachyderm but them.
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@Rocco
Great link! That story linked to a census report with the data I’ve been looking for for quite a while.
There are a couple of things going on in that article. One is that divorce is much lower for high IQ people. The Northeast states have higher average IQs than the south. They also mention age at marriage. This tracks with IQ some as well, but there is another component they don’t bring up. Divorce rates are highest when women are young and have high SMV. Contrary to popular belief, women generally don’t just want to divorce; they want to divorce and remarry. Divorce rates taper off as women go through their 30s and 40s, and drops dramatically after that. I’ve never seen anyone else address this, but I just did a post sharing the data from both the UK and the US which proves this.
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@rocco
about that German motherhood article, I knew something was wrong, and of course the woman taking action in the story was… Polish. No german girls who grew up there could even think that way. Poland is much more traditional & catholic, as I can attest, from real-life experience.
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OT…
Woman child abuser starves and beats girl….mans fault for not doing anything…surprise, surprise. Gents? Want to go over and comment?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030631/Stepmother-starved-beat-girl-8-professor-husband-did-nothing.html
My comment was.
“What, exactly, is the husband supposed to do? Raising your voice to a woman is “domestic violence”. Laying a hand on her is “domestic violence”. You women are all messed up. You won’t allow men to even protect our children from women who are child abusers any more.
When my children were little my wife had a habit of striking them to the head when they were “moving too slowly for her liking”. Striking a small child to the head is obvious child abuse. Yet what could I do? All I could do was “talk to her”. I did that for a year which was how long it took her to stop hitting the children. Yet in FC her word that she had an “abusive husband” is believed without question.
It is about time you women started showing us good fathers and husbands the respect you so much demand for yourselves.”
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PS…note the husband was NOT the father of the child. He has NO LEGAL RIGHTS by which to defend the child yet he is jailed when there was absolutely nothing that he could do. If he went to the police and reported the child abuse he would be divorced and ruined.d
How f***ed up is it that a man is jailed for failing to do something when no one can actually tell you what, exactly, he might have done.
You western women?
You really, really disgust me. And you deserve it.
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Anonymous age 69 August 26, 2011 at 08:42
“A total of one every two months till 1993 when I decided it made no sense to defend men who refused to stand up for themselves, and started making plans to GTHO.”
Yes Anon….I too am very much of the opinion that there is no point helping men who refuse to help themselves. I am MORE disgusted with western men than I am with western women.
Western men let politicians, cops, lawyers AND women walk all over them with complete impunity. Too afraid that “the guvment will get upset at me” if they defend themselves. So the men just go and off themselves.
I came close to offing myself….but I chose to dis-own my former children and deal with these criminal scumbags and all those criminal women. I had thought that other men would join me. But as you can see. The “barbers cats” and “marshmallow men” of the MRA are do not have much fight in them.
The idea that men speaking out is like a raging bull is laughable…..the analogy is much more like a baby kitten mewing in anger that its milk was taken away but it is too small and weak to actually do anything about it.
MRAs are no more dangerous to anyone than a 4 week old baby kitten.
If anyone has any evidence to the contrary? Please present it.
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It looks like the UK is where it’s at right now. They are so feminized that they are starting to see the end results of such a perverse ideology. What happens next over there should be interesting and I am more interested in men’s issues in the UK right now than I am here in the U.S. It seems like the U.S. is still a ways away from the societal decay that the UK is experiencing but I wonder how long it will take for us to get there.
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Hmmmm.
I managed to get a group of wealthy folks on men’s side. Combination of internet and action. Of course they are primarily Christian of a Calvinist variety. Yep they are sick of it too.
Tried to send them here. They didn’t see any reason to fund folks who think they can actually beat something with nothing. Dalrock and Elam though…..they have some wealth and influence.
Ah well, enter the flame warriors.
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Very simply put – “damned if you do and damned if you don’t.”
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@ Dalrock
@ Rocco
Dalrock, don’t forget your last article, “THE CHILD SUPPORT CATASTRPHE”, posted here on The Spearhead. You posted that of all the women in the USA between the ages of 50-59 who had were divorcees at least once in their lives, Hispanic women divorced at 27%, Whites at 39% and Blacks at 38% while of the ever married women it was 30%, 42% and 48% respectively for Hispanics, Whites and Blacks. I only say this because the South(east) Bible Belt is more heavily Black and not very Hispanic than the rest of the USA. Although the South may vote heavily Republican(Conservative) party in the USA more than other regions, the Blacks are the ones throughout the nation to vote Democratic(Liberal) party including in the South. It’s the majority of Whites especially in the South who vote Republican, but there are many more Democratic districts because of the Blacks in the South than many foreigners and even American might be led to believe. The Republicans are typically thought to be the more religous and Christian supporting party.
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Robert,
Illinois makes men pay lifetime alimony even for short marriages. Check out some cases in super corrupt cook county.
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@Dalrock
@ Rocco
I may add that the South is the most heavily leaning Republican Party along with the Mountain and Plains states in the USA. This is because the majority of people are still White in the South. Also, White Southerners tend to be more heavily Republican Party supporting than other Whites in the Country especially than the Northeast which has the highest percentage of Whites supporting the Democratic party and the lowest percentage of non-Whites especially Blacks than other regions of the nation. It seems that closer proximity to non-Whites in greater numbers encourages American Whites to Vote Republican Party. Tragicly, politics like war is virtually always local and tribal.
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@Jeb
“Funny how the only ones whe make a point of anything we do not having any real effect, are the same ones not doing anything, otherwise they’d notice what’s BEEN going on.” — Keyster
How would you know what I have done or not done? Just as I have no idea what you have actually done… but one thing I have noticed in my years around the MRM is that those who are the first to fire off “what have you done,” are actually the ones that have done jack shit except hang out in comment areas going “what have you done.”
“True, years ago a few letter to the editor would trickle in and if one got actually got published there’d be a celebration. What’s happening now is email boxes are being stuffed with hundreds of responses, comments and complaints, and it IS having an effect , because men never complained before. Have you noticed a decided LACK of misandry in the MSM
compared to 6 or 7 year ago?” — Keyster
Men have been complaining for a loooooooong time now. And for just as long, MRA’s have been encouraging eachother to write “calm, reasonable letters.” It was actually people who did research on successful political movements and engaged in theory who started saying maybe we should be angry as hell, and screech and holler and be unreasonable because every “movement” that has been successful was so not because they were “reasonable”, but because they scared the frickin’ bejeezus out of the powers that be. See the homosexuals and the way they bullied the American Psychological Association away from declaring homosexuality as a psychological deviation. They were certainly not “reasonable,” and they certainly weren’t writing polite letters. Btw, it was Angry Harry who started theorizing about this, and actively encouraged MRA’s not to apologize nor distance themselves from the Mack fellow who shot his ex-wife and the judge a few years back – despite severe admonishments against him by the likes of Glenn Sacks. Notice that AH was theorizing and presenting a good case, not whining and moping.
“Look at what S.A.V.E. is doing. Look at what we’re doing to Mary Kellett in Bangor, Maine. Sharon Osbourne APOLOGIZED! I could go on and on about inroads and effect a few hundred activists “doing nothing but writing” are having.” — Keyster
I simply claimed that if we are going to write, we should be theorizing and not whining. I am a great believer in writing – and have done more than my fair share of it. But there is a difference between actually looking something up, and making a point/theorization of it – which educates others, and simply finding yet another story in the MSM, about say, a female teacher sleeping with a male student, to post a blurp about, and then whining and biatching about it. Yes, we know this is happening, and we have all known it for years now. What is actually more useful than simply pointing out another one of these stories though, is when someone actually delves into the subject deeper and starts discussing why things like this are happening. That will convince more people than another whine-fest. Roissy, for example, goes into great theoretical detail about why things are the way they are, and people benefit from it greatly.
Btw, also, recently, there were articles published called “The End of Men” and “America is a Woman’s Nation.” Cherry picking victories in the face of ever-expanding misandry does not make the ever-expanding misandry disappear.
“So this begs the question; if writing is and always has been ineffective, why are you even bothering to do it here today? Isn’t this a bit like attending a football game and doing nothing but complaining about how you hate football to everyone around you?” — Keyster
Again, I stated that if all we are going to do is write, then we ought to be theorizing – explaining why things are the way they are, and why patriarchy existed the way it did, and why women didn’t have dominion over men… rather than simply pointing out the story of yet another bitchy woman, and then we all gather around claiming she will grow old with cats.
It’s exactly your kind of attitude that, up until now, WAS WHY the MRM never really got off the ground. Always criticizing and nitpicking others efforts, but never doing anything yourself. That’s the Old School MRA defined…Zed’s circular firing squad.
The circular firing squad was started off by you, my friend. I am merely giving a valid criticism of the MRM – it seems to me that the MRM moves forward (ie. MGTOW, and then Game), and then stagnates and reverts back to its whining and moaning form which most of the forums consisted of in the past, and mostly still do today.
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To those who put down others who say writing letters isn’t helping :
Been there, done that. All those letters will end up in the trash. Not one letter of mine was published or replied to/acknowledged. Nada. Zilch. As for the government, they’re apathetic at best. One man writing a letter is neither a a large voter base nor a threat – a helpless kitten, as someone put. At least , in the UK it seems men are waking up, judging from the comments in a few news articles I have read. No such luck here, I see barely 1-2 demonstrably pro-men posters on local sites out of thousands of comments. While I haven’t got to self-immolation yet, I’m trying to poke and prod any active brain cells men might have not yet brainwashed. I use SNS , I get a few “likes” and comments, but not sure how many fuses I have managed to light. All I can hope is to light as many fuses, and they light more, to get a chain reaction of ticking bombs ready to explode. Without sufficient numbers, critical mass – we are toast. One man army is a cadaver, as Anonymous age 69 puts it.
There’s a Hindi proverb, and its malformed translation : “the ghost of the kicks not listen to the talks”. Put properly , it means you can’t reason (talk) with retards/demons, you have to bludgeon them into submission.
I can’t foresee any peaceful ways of this quagmire; MGTOW is great for the short term, but eventually I fear they will come after us wherever we be on this planet armed with new laws that blur boundaries – that I think is the aim of the one world/globalization strategy. Words do not pierce these heartless corrupt souls who want to shred every bit of respect, honor, pride and happiness of men. They have to be be tackled with a stake thru the heart, or a shotgun blast up the cunt. They are willing to torture us and cut us apart, we aren’t. We always have the mangina police goons ever poised to defend the same wimminz who’d laugh as they ripped their gonads out. That’s why they are winning. If the mens’ movement is to succeed, we have to get the mangina drone army out of the way before attacking the queen bee.
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Thanks or informing me being called an angry child was a compliment in England.
So, to answer your questions:
The major political difference of an American (me) posting on an American site is the misconstrued meanings of a shared, but uncommon language.
An englishman can never comprehend the American resistance to tyranny because we hold an ace: a Revolutionary Spirit backed up, quite simply, with guns.
Your society is much older than ours and so, gives Americans an idea how we will end up when our country has run its course and reaches the end. This infuriates those of us who love freedom and our disappearing American values. We see, in you, what happens when a once-mighty nation declines and falls into helpless decay because of citizens’ inattentiveness to the State’s encroaching Socialist dominance and then, citizens fall into apathetic inaction.
This is seen in your hating me, more than those who burn London and Manchester et al.
America can still be the greatest country in the world. In all honesty, only Great Britain or Switzerland were close seconds. But, we have fallen. Sadly, the only reason we maintain our Greatest Nation status is that england has fallen even farther.
I realize if we fail to act with and teach our youth, there will be no one left to maintain, then inherit Freedom, but a useless bunch of brainwashed, dissolute XBox libertines.
I look at my country, our voters – and the White House – and I fear it is already too late.
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Firepower
Ok fair comment and keeping with my word will try and make sure you I do not say something that you will take as an insult.
“Thanks or informing me being called an angry child was a compliment in England.”
Regarding the above. I did not say it or mean it as a compliment just simply an observation of reality. You see, and please don’t take this the wrong way. Most people, especially on sites like this communicate with each other from one and sometimes a few of whats called the ego states. Most people communicate adult child to adult child when there is a disagreement. It is quite difficult for most people to accept this. The aim is to communicate adult to adult, unfortunately and again it is quite difficult to reach and almost impossible to maintain, especially when the topic has so many soft spots or flash points.
Again, please dont take this the wrong way. let me give you an example. You see when you and a few other posters start off by making some excellent well written posts with some valid points, it becomes ruined by adding insults and trying to appear smarter than the average bear.
That is your adult child talking down to others, some instinctively recognise it as adult talking to child and respond accordingly. Others also recognise it and will let their true adult either ignore you or simply tell you that you are wrong or out of order etc, which in turn infuriates you/others, and off we go on a merry go round of ego battles. As I did say, lose the ego and I am sure you will find posters more inclined to listen and take your points more seriously.
Hope that helps and no I am not trying to put you down, just talking as an adult.
Regarding America and Great Britain England Sweden et al. I don’t think there is much point in debating the points you raise, some I agree with but I suspect, and with respect, you are like most Americans, naive, which is understandable given its young age and I suspect your’s too.
Not sure why you think I hate on you ? Perhaps you think its because your an American ? Nope, I try hard not to hate anything or anyone, it gives away ones power. Having said that, I detest the American foreign policy.
Ok, and finally. I know the American public is armed but the PTB have most of you well and truley duped. The only time I suspect there will be any rioting is when the food runs out and the living standards drop dramatically. Your government is doing a grand job of keeping the American people fast asleep. I suggest you are just waking up to reality and therefore probably way ahead of the curve. I fear that if there is a blood bath it will have little to do with revolution and mainly about families and groups taking what they need from weaker groups. The PTB will be long gone and leave you to fight it out.
The Dollar has already lost over 90% of its original value ( look it up ) and it will soon lose its position of reserve currency. Countries around the globe are just playing pass the Dollar hand grenade. Last one holding the most will be blown to feck. If and when this happens will be the time to really worry.
P.s. What shocked me the most was how many Americans were ( still are ) totally unaware that the Federal Reserve is not and never has been owned by America. It is more to the point, America is owned by mostly very powerful European families, the UK Royal family being one of them. The one thing that really enrages most Americans is when it is pointed out to them that the revolution was no more than a change of bankers/owners. Perhaps it was ok for a few years but then the banks took over and lead you all on a merry dance.. Don’t believe me? Think I have my tinfoil hat on ? Look it up. You was conned big time.
PPS. Please don’t tell me you are one of those Americans that really believe your government story about 9/11 and jet fuel with two aircraft bringing down three buildings? I hope you don’t and if so, however painful, at least you will understand why so many people around the globe think Americans are so naive ?
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Although very off topic, it’s unreasonable to conclude that a “conspiracy” with three crash sites that results in military morass in both Iraq and Afghanistan and near total economic/fiscal collapse was the grand design of omnipotent Illuminati brainiacs.
On topic, the mrm is composed of those who only care about the issue because they were abused in a divorce or child custody battle. Were it not for those with a personal interest, nobody would care. I do not have such concerns, yet understand their wrath.
What is not understood is the feminist agenda’s link with all liberal plans. This can be seen by whom the feminists seek to control and bleed – males. Specifically, white males; they have all the money.
The white male is the same targeted enemy of minorities, feminists, big government Obama Fascists and gays.
To ignore our total enemy is folly. It would be if WW2 England only focused on the Japanese threat in the pacific, and ignored Germany.
To defeat feminism, men must destroy the entire hierarchy of Fascist Liberalism. At present, America’s greatest threat lies in Illegals pumping out bambinos one inch over the border – and the black and its racist FlashRob assaults.
When women start killing in organized cadres like Mexicans and the black, then defense must be applied for survival. As of now, the only organized, socially MSM sanctioned violence against men is the Mexican and the black.
Each three must be eradicated. If not, take today’s status quo and multiply the future violence against males.
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In case the links are edited, here is THE site for violent racist black flashmob attacks on whites.
http://violentflashmobs.com/
I see no such assaults by women. Their assaults NOW happen in the courts – because men were so complacent they let women move from Bobbit-style street revenge into the protection and sanction of the legal system.
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@Keyster :
“Sharon Osbourne APOLOGIZED”
Oh yeah, getting away with a slap on the wrist. Not even that. If you’re in a the vicinity of a woman being raped and do nothing, you’ll likely be held as accomplince/accessory to the crime. Here’s a man who’s lost his privates due to a crime which was ostensibly encouraged by misandric comments from Osborne , hate speech to be precise, and we’re happy she apologized ? We should be baying for blood , eye for an eye. Yeah , it makes the whole world blind , but the enemy knows no compassion and won’t stop until we’re blind, deaf, dumb and completely in pieces. We need to pay them back in kind. Until we do, the assaults will continue.
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Firepower
Interesting points and I agree with some however, to say that three buildings brought down by two aircraft and not forgeting the alledged attack on the pentagon by a third aircraft etc etc is ” unreasonable ” is sadly, stunning plus revealing but no less than I suspected. With respect, very naive and typically American.
The reason I made reference to 9/11 was to find out if you are truly aware of the real position of the USA and the globe. The aim of the ensuing wars is to spend money and create instability. Perhaps you have heard of the famous highly decorated USA Marine that coined the phrase ” war is a racket “?
Firepower, I do not say this lightly or with any malice. America is finished, simple as that. There will be much turmoil globally. Problem reaction solution.
You are correct about women feminism and the potential for flash mobs violence from other groups. At least you have the means to defend yourself in the USA. We do not. The only people with guns in the UK are the army the police and the thugs.
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America is finished only if we continue as we have.
One need only look at the MTV Music Awards ( and “Lil’ John’s” performance in particular) to realize that, yes, we intend on heading over that cliff:
http://www.mtv.com/ontv/vma/2011/
It is not the critique of culture and politics that help the common man, but reaction and response to the critique.
America will purge itself with violent catharsis only millions of guns can bring.
England, disarmed and helpless, has only the descent of the jackboot of Socialist Government to look forward to. America will be John Dillinger, and England the nameless, helpless hunger-striker lapsing into coma in some nameless prison.
In both cases, sadly, the two true beacons of the West will be extinguished and replaced with crippled shadows of their former glory.
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Firepower
The only reason I cannot agree 100% with your post is simply because there are too many unknowns.
This is simply my guess so take from it what you will.
Regarding the USA. I believe the true figure for its total indebtiness is 0ver 200 trillions dollars. If this is true and I have no reason to doubt it and as history repeatedly shows. All fiat currencies crash, eventually. For me it is the eventually part and how sudden is the most worriesome. If it is fast then I would expect much blood shed, especially in the USA. This is for two reasons. (1) obviously the public are heavily armed (2) The USA has had without doubt the highest standard of living ( 200 trillions dollars in debt explains why ) Therefore, the public have the highest to fall. I believe the shock to most Americans will be immense.
For everyones sake I hope the collapse will be slow.
Your opinion ?
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I want the collapse fast.
Slow collapse leads to protracted, complacent rot – like Rome. Or, like here, where in this very spot – nobody reads a thread over 2 days old.
Fast collapse produces change like the French, Russian and American Revolutions.
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Hmmm. I understand what you mean, however I am suspicious about such a fast collapse. Who and what will replace the current systems? Has it been planned? If it has been planned, is there already people in place or being trained for any major bloodshed ? Like I said, so many unknowns.
You see firepower, although I understand your anger and frustration it does not change how most men will behave or react. You, I and every fecker else can call men names and throw out insults etc but they will not budge. Just look at this and just about any other male friendly/MRA website for much evidence of this.
The only thing we have really managed to achieve ( via the internet etc ) is to raise awareness among men globally and allow them to chat. This is a first in history. Sadly while we are all just getting use to this new phenomina and still arguing over who has the biggest dick etc the PTB including feminists are laughing their arse off while they make further plans. The only time you will see any movement from men is when the house of cards comes falling down and even then it will be individuals v individuals or perhaps small self interested groups.
This is why I do not like to see pointless arguments and insults on sites like this.
Given the above it is MHO that while we still have the opportunity, at least we can share ideas and offer support suggestions on how to best protect ourselves. Society in the west, as we knew it, is history.
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If the best effort that males (as described in your third paragraph)
can produce is our current state
the intelligent man MUST ask himself:
What virtues do they have worth saving?
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Perhaps it’s not a case of “what virtues do they have worth saving” ?
Maybe its more case of discarding the old ways ( virtues ) for new ?
It has been said many times on here and other MRA type sites that the unintended consequence of feminism has been to free men. What path each man takes will depend on what he knows or wants to know, if you get my drift?
Some of the great mystics/spiritual leaders often tell us that we only grow when we drop something, like our illusions, not by adding or keeping them.
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The old ways are the best. That’s why they’re old.
One does not suddenly value a third eye simply because it’s new.
Courage, virtue, honesty were long-established qualities visible in mankind as early as stone age campfires.
These qualities, along with the mysticism and spirituality you mentioned, are so long and deeply buried today that whenever they emerge, they appear alien.
There are no new virtues – just a rediscovering of the past. Like Renaissance artists re-learning how to sculpt and make glass.
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Interesting. I can see what you are getting at however I believe the only way we can ever get back to such virtues is by removing our own blinders first.
Here is a video that you may find interesting ?
The Illusion of choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_wjQtfhZQ&feature=player_embedded
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Interesting.
Here’s a better one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f0GStBCeUU
The problem is not the discussion, it is the uneducated disinterest.
A gnat’s attention span – witnessed here, in which all but us have left…long ago.
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A very wise and talented man. Such a loss.
The views he expressed in the video are more or less what we say on here. Ok there is disagreement on many things but the general thrust is simple observations of a society/system in collapse. IMHO many can’t see the wood for the trees simply because we are in the middle of it happening.
Perhaps he could be considered one of the true MGTOW ? He was basically in the same postion as you and I. He chose to observe and let it all collapse. Begs the question. What do we do and how ?
I suppose, slightly off topic but certainly related. I have posted below an email that was sent to Max Keiser website. You see firepower, I am often quite shocked at how little the average American knows about global issues etc etc. I understand some of the reasons of this insular behaviour but I now wonder if it also has more to do with a lack of real info from the MSM ?
The problem we Europeans seem to have is a lack of interest.
The email is obviously from an American guy. You might find its contents revealing ?
“I am aghast at the lack of shows like the Keiser Report on the air in the Unites States itself! I am vacationing in Europe over the next month and as I am “thumbing through” the channels I came across your show, I was taken back by the honesty and “in plain sight” viewpoints expressed by foreign press in regards to the U.S. economy and fiscal policies. I was doubly taken back when I realized that I don’t see these viewpoints expressed in mainstream broadcast in the states. While some are savvy to such scandals and corruption set against us, the vast majority of people in the United States don’t get their information from any but the most base of sources. Indeed, many mainstream news sources inside the U.S. at best glaze over these topics, and at worst demonize any thoughts other than complacency.
It’s exactly this complacency that threatens the livelyhood of the American People, bred by a complete lack of information. It is a smokescreen of ignorance that is choking us at home and our destroying our image projected around the world. I applaud your show, RT News, and I hope that one day, in a nation founded and based on the idea of Freedom, free speech could once again be exercised and criticism be analyzed instead of swept aside by the monopoly of thought that is the U.S. media.”
Thank you.
-Al
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