By Ken Knight
Who doesn’t overtly (or covertly) notice the lives of others around us from time to time in detail enough to “learn” from what is seen or draw conclusions that may influence how we as individuals handle and conduct our own lives? It has been said that this life is a “learning experience” in and of itself, so watching others and learning from them may be a little better than memorizing some text book or listening to a cloistered professor in the halls of Academia (who really doesn’t know shit about how the real world operates).
How much of your adult life-learning has been gleaned from the deeds, wins, losses, and experiences of other around you, and how much have you learned by simply watching and listening, not to mention “game” people around you so as to benefit yourself later on?
On the subject of marriage, an associate of mine I’ll call “Davis” for this article’s sake, likes to remind me how he’s been married twice (and divorced twice) in the past 10 years, that he’s had three big-ass houses in the past 10 years, as well as two successful children and gets women thru online dating sites by lying to them about how much of a “war hero” he is. Nearly ¾ of his gross financial worth has gone to the two divorces and as a six-figure salary man right now he’s tight as a snare drum because of divorce court rulings against him….though he likes to refer to himself among his single and less-financially-ruined buddies as a “p*ssy gettin’ m#therf*cker” because he bangs single moms met on internet dating sites. Good ol’ Davis enjoys reminding MGTOW guys like me that he has kids by saying shit like: “My DNA will go on~blah-blah-blah….” I sit back and look at my friend saying to myself: THAT IS NOT A LIFE I WANT! And I remember the experience of my pal Davis and how he was taken advantage of and unceremoniously dumped-on over just a ten year stretch when he could have avoided it!
As a lifelong bachelor, I have gone through many married friends, and I say “gone through” because after awhile married people eventually stop inviting single friends over and leave them off their rosters for block parties, birthdays, etc. Of all the married couples I have known in the past 20 years or so, I have seen more nasty divorces, infidelities, and stranger stuff such as one guy who enjoyed watching his wife getting hammered by another man (no, I was not one of them! haha) and one guy I was in the Army with indulged the “swinging” lifestyle with his hot wife although that ended when the wife discovered she wanted to be with one of the other swinging husbands full-time!
Other examples are of men I know whose wives take on a “mother” role with them in almost every way except the fact they’re sleeping together, then there is one man I used to work part-time with who knew his wife was cheating on him and did nothing about it, saying it was “cheaper to keep her” (but he was screwing someone on the side himself anyway so he just let it go on for years until they divorced over his gambling problem).
I have also seen numerous friends and co-workers locked up in jail over false assault accusations, child-neglect allegations, and failure to pay child support, their lives ruined in more than one way due to the choice they made in getting married and having a family like one is “expected” to. Seeing the trials, tribulations, failures, and fallacies of other people around us (as well as their triumphs!) has and continues to be a valuable learning experience and I cannot stress how important it can become to remember what you see in other people so that you may avoid making the same damn mistake later on in your own personal life.
As a lifelong bachelor who has no children, I cannot tell you how many married and engaged friends, associates, and family members have chided me over my single lifestyle, and one remark from a “happily” married colleague of mine stands out: “You’re living outside the Shop Window of life, looking in through the glass while the rest of us are inside”. Yes indeed, I see the “life” of most married people I know and they’ve all convinced me that I have not missed out on a damn thing and by doing so, have dodged more than one bullet. Another friend of mine remarked this past Father’s Day weekend to me saying “Happy Bulletproof Day” in reference to me “dodging bullets” of marriage and child-rearing. These days, it is not worth going there unless you’re willing to take an awful risk. Don’t believe me? Just sit back, relax, and watch your friends and neighbors for awhile and you’ll see for yourself. As for “Davis”? Oh he stills considers himself better than me because he has kids and Match.com (looking for wife #3). Since he is trapped inside the “Shop”, I’ll wave at him from outside the window just before I drive off in my new car.
MGTOW: the time has come.
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I happily started my MGTOW 3 1/2 years ago. Life has never been better.
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You better rethink that Ken. In this latest edition of ShameStream media, you are seriously running out of time. You had better act now before it’s too late :
“Ms. Jennifer” lays it down for you, complete with celebrity references :
What’s That Ticking Sound? The Male Biological Clock
Men are also at the mercy of age when it comes to having kids
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303936704576400161673484394.html
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Interesting article Uncle Elmer, but for confirmed MGTOWers like me (and I suspect Ken Knight) the biological clock is an irrelevance. I can see how this would matter to those men contemplating having a family but me, well all I can say is ‘meh’.
Oh, as an observation, didn’t that in the WSJ sound just a little like a ‘Cougars’ Manifesto’, with the unwritten message “line up outside your local high-school sisters, get ‘em while their sperm’s viable enough”.
(For the sake of the children you understand!)
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Interesting article Uncle Elmer, but for confirmed MGTOWers like me (and I suspect Ken Knight) the biological clock is an irrelevance. I can see how this would matter to those men contemplating having a family but me, well all I can say is ‘meh’.
Oh, as an observation, didn’t that in the WSJ sound just a little like a ‘Cougars’ Manifesto’, with the unwritten message “line up outside your local high-school sisters, get ‘em while their sperm’s viable enough”.
(For the sake of the children you understand!)
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“p*ssy gettin’ m#therf*cker”
haha that made me laugh!
However, if that dude is banging trashy single-moms while surrendering most of his 6-fig salary to the “family courts”, he is more of a “dumpster-diving broke loser”.
Had he dodged the bullet, he would be filthy rich today, probably retired, and banging multiple 20-yr old models at once.
I think this perfectly illustrates the dilemma that alpha-males face in the matriarchy: they can either pass their genetic legacy but destroy their own life in the process, or live a glamorous life surrounded by the hottest women but at the expense of not leaving a generic legacy. Tough choice!
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Oops double-posted that one. Apologies. Please delete that one W.F. Price asap.
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I would post a comment mananon, but WSJ banned Elmer Elmerson when I made untoward comments in their recent “women still earn less than men” thread.
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Re: The Male Biological Clock
I read that article and the bald-faced agenda behind it is to shame older successful men into accepting barren middle-aged women as their wives and to try and stop them from chasing after younger game.
Young women hold all the cards and call all the shots, yet they frequently play their hand terribly and end up old and single.
Older single women can’t stand the inherent unfairness of the dating game when it turns on them even as they enjoyed all the advantages it gave them while they were younger.
A classic example of women trying enforce equality when they are at a disadvantage while continuing to maintain their privileges
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The function of feminism in the Marxist attack on the West is the obliteration of the Western birthrates. This is evident across Europe, Australia, and North America – we are not breeding quickly enough to replace ourselves. The existence of nuclear weapons means no more world-scale conflicts, so they’ve decided to defeat us demographically. Now that the prospect of reproducing with a Western woman is equivalent to imbibing a slow-acting, fatal poison, there will be no new generation to cherish and continue the Western tradition.
Your points – which I consider valid – are observations of the means of our destruction, but don’t address the purpose or the remedy.
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Uncle Elmer: “I would post a comment mananon, but WSJ banned Elmer Elmerson when I made untoward comments in their recent “women still earn less than men” thread.”
Those ‘untoward comments’, they didn’t include the word ‘rogering’ at all did they?
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I dodged the marriage bullet. I never wanted kids, so I didn’t see any good reason to get hitched.
I’ve done the long-term co-habitation thing too and realised that it just isn’t what I want.
If I can get women with Game for hook ups that’s great. If I can’t – that’s not the end of the world. I’m happy with myself and perfectly content in my own skin
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Is my father content to see his progeny live on after him?
No.
He’s buried deep in the cold ground, somewhere in upstate Pennsylvania.
If the only legacy a man is obligated to leave behind is a life well lived, then I’ve succeeded. I’ve had lots of sex with fine women, which is great pleasure, but food, water, shelter and freedom from societal expectations will always take precedence.
If you judge life success by whether your married or have ever been married with children or how many women you’ve screwed, you’ve led a very empty existence; one fraught with endless drama and sacrifice with little reward. But if meeting society’s expecations of what a man SHOULD be is your life’s goal, may you die a content man.
Stop being altruistic and start being selfish, and never concern yourself with what others think. All that matters in life is you. Giving yourself to a woman is like investing in a diminishing asset, that can turn around and sue you at anytime.
That it’s like this is not your fault; they’ve gone and done it to themselves.
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Amongst a number of the men I know, there is an erroneous belief that it’s either one extreme or the other. Either we men go the traditional way, get married, have kids, get divorced, get financially raped through the courts, pay alimony, lose the house, etc. Or, on the other hand, we don’t associate with women; we “go our own way,” and steer clear of them completely. The analogy used in this article, looking in from “outside the shop window,” reaffirms that simplistic duality.
There are in fact many legitimate intermediate stops along the spectrum of relating to women. For example, we men can date and have fun with women, perhaps even be in a monogamous relationship with a particular woman, but still refuse to get married, refuse to have babies, and refuse to live together. That is a legitimate and defensible position to take, and the one I have personally pursued for the last 15 years.
Nonetheless, in the eyes of many people, because I’m not going the traditional way, I am in the lonely MGTOW camp, where I am “outside the shop window.” The implication being that if I’m not in the shop, then I’m missing out. But I’ve been married twice, and paid alimony, etc., so I know what it’s all about, and thanks… but no thanks.
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I like the shop window metaphor, because it brings up the fact that marriage has a fundamental marketing problem.
Despite what some may want us to believe, men are the “buyers” of marriage. In this day and age, men bear a profound amount of risk by marrying. Still, pro-marriage factions of the population use different marketing strategies to get us in the store.
Mainstream women: “Men should get married because I think marriage is wonderful! And if men don’t, they’re a creep!”
Married beta males: “There are some fundamental problems with marriage. But men should get married because its the normal thing to do, and there’s something queer about a man who doesn’t.”
Feminists: “Men should get married, because women are so freaking special and precious. If she divorces him, it’s his fault anyway.”
Conservative Feminists: “There are some fundamental problems with marriage. But men should marry because women want to get married, and marriage is good for society.”
White Knights & Traditionalist Women: “There are some fundamental problems with marriage. But men should get married because it’s your duty, and it’s good for society. And if the marriage goes to pits, it’s because you weren’t enough of a man.”
Antifeminist Traditionalists: “Acknowledged there are huge risks for men in marriage, and it is largely the fault of women. But men should get married, because it’s your duty, and it’s good for society. Marry the right woman and she’ll make all your 1950′s homemaker fantasies come true.”
Women have a lot of selfish reasons to want to marry, and stand to gain tremendous benefits from it. And they’re not the “buyers” of marriage.
But only the antifeminist traditionalists are even asking themselves “How can we sweeten the marketing proposition for men?” And none of the groups are working to reduce the risks borne by the male, with the exception of a few antifeminist traditionalists. However, that group still demands that men ignore the risks that exist and get married anyway.
Ultimately, every group, even the antifeminist traditionalists, are still operating on the default setting that a marriage and a wife is inherently valuable to men. Until they drop their default setting, they will never truly be an ally of men. What they need to realize is that a marriage and a wife is NOT inherently valuable, it is only valuable when it brings more value to the man’s life than risk.
Compare all these pro-marriage marketing strategies to marketing strategies we see for other products or services. Would you be enticed to buy any product or service that was marketed this way? Especially one as costly as marriage, and keeping in mind there was a greater than 50% chance the product would make your life a living hell?
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Keyster I like waht you say there. Men need to start being selfish for a few generations. When the 2-5 year old girls today get to see a world of poor and or homeless feminist skanks from the boomer generation and the current momma grizzly bunch all having full AA careers dying alone and poor. Maybe the childish self interest of the female mind may then allow politeness to be restored. MGTOW is the only hope for men and the western world.
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I think by the time I get too old to have a kid I’ll probably also be too old to care.
At any rate, I don’t think there is ANY good time to become some woman’s property.
Young or old I plan on being free.
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When a friend gets married, bid them farewell because wifey won’t like no matter what.
Not only will I not be in the shop, I won’t look in the window and won’t even come near the shop.
Another thing to consider. Don’t listen to the idiots who push having as many friends as possible.
Quanity fair weather friends can’t be trusted.
It’s better to have a few quality friends that you can trust and respect than many you can’t trust or respect.
Here’s a vid that touchs on Ken’s Lone Ranger thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lNAbhiKdp8
The guy’s name is Steve Hoca, but it’s on my youtube channel, feel free to flame the vids.
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” one remark from a “happily” married colleague of mine stands out: “You’re living outside the Shop Window of life, looking in through the glass while the rest of us are inside”. ”
He knows he’s happy because she told him so. That’s her opinion he’s regurgitating. It’s absurd, he wants it to be true and he’s trying to convince himself it is. Married guys are forever doing this. I never see a married guy with his wife and think I could trade places with him. They’re usually scared to be themselves and seem like miserable people trying to hide their misery. They make a big deal about sex because that’s all they’ve got, even if they really don’t.
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@Tom:
“I think this perfectly illustrates the dilemma that alpha-males face in the matriarchy: they can either pass their genetic legacy but destroy their own life in the process, or live a glamorous life surrounded by the hottest women but at the expense of not leaving a generic legacy. Tough choice!”
I have never understood why it is so important to have my DNA continue after me. I don’t see my DNA, can’t touch it, can’t smell it: what on earth is the big deal?
I think it’s all bull shit.
Fifty years ago, nobody even knew about DNA, let alone understand how it works. And then, all of a sudden, it becomes important to let it propagate, just about when feminism raises its ugly head! What a coincidence!
I think this is a new way to get men to commit (aka: die) to wife and state.
And what’s the difference between banging a medium-priced whore and a high-priced non-whore? (besides the price?).
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The Shop Window metaphor re married life is excellent. Just think. Those inside looking out are stood where they are, mute with no voice of their own, forced to wear ‘nice’ clothes, and at permanent risk of losing the very shirt off their backs.
Those outside looking in are free to browse at will, with the best option being to rent, not buy.
I know where I’d rather be…
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“Those ‘untoward comments’, they didn’t include the word ‘rogering’ at all did they?”
Can’t recall, but I probably did. What pissed them off was my questioning the gender of some “male” commenters who were vociferously arguing the feminist viewpoint. After I posted Elmer’s Meme (1. women are competing for jobs but not creating them, 2. though men insult me, only men provide me opportunity, 3. women only insult me and deprive me of opportunity) they kicked me out for good. That one really makes them apopleptic. I got death threats on Salon for posting that observation. No logical counter-argument though.
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“When a friend gets married, bid them farewell because wifey won’t like no matter what.”
True dat.
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Like a formerly commited single friend of mine told me, “Don’t ever regret not marrying and having children, it ain’t all its cracked up to be.”
“MGTOW is the only hope for men and the western world.”
It’s a damn shame it has to be this way isn’t it? Men are adapting to the feminist definition of male/female relations, but not in the way they thought they would. It seemed to be working at first, but as each new generation of young men approach commiting to the westernized female, more and more resist or refuse to comply.
Many are still deluded with feminist fantasies of “equal partnering”, deferring to her and submitting to her will, because that’s what “good men” do to “work at” relationships today. Eventually she get’s disgusted and bored with him and goes all “Eat, Pray, Love” on his sorry ass. He was young once and quite naive. He didn’t get the memo. No one told him or he didn’t listen if they did.
With every generation the fall-out multiplies itself.
The women get ever more self-absorbed, entitled, resentful and righteous towards men, and the men turn away from it. The lure of sex and social pressure is no longer a strong enough incentive. She doesn’t need him and he doesn’t want her if she did. The tipping point is now.
Thank you feminism and thank you all the women who couldn’t resist buying into it, regardless of what it’s done to men and gender relations. It worked. Your daughters and grandaughters are “empowered and independent”, free from the oppressive shackles of patriarchy.
Now what are you going to do?
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“keyster June 26, 2011 at 10:35
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Men are adapting to the feminist definition of male/female relations, but not in the way they thought they would. It seemed to be working at first, but as each new generation of young men approach commiting to the westernized female, more and more resist or refuse to comply.
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Feminists expected that men would continue forever to behave as that had into the 1960s — mostly mannerly, chivalrous, controlled by lust for sex and food, deferring always to females, etc. — but we haven’t. They are baffled and angry, not least because the feminists didn’t predict that despite their own changes and females can’t really figure out what to do.
I don’t entirely like the comparison but it’s similar to the scientists and doctors, who understood evolution, dousing the world in antibiotics for a couple of generations and then being somewhat astonished that bacteria developed strains resistant to them.
Perhaps more apt to the situation, as though marxists who believe in dialectic materialism — a circumstance, or thesis, gives rise to it’s antithesis, which results in a resolution, or synthesis, which is simply a new situation — are shocked to find themselves as a mere part of the same progression. Which they are and so are feminists.
Feminists, ultimately, are unable to do much more but men are, as always, the creators of the new
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@Uncle Elmer
The more I think about Elmer’s Meme the more I like it. It drives the fembots crazy because it’s an irrefutable rebuttal to affirmative action.
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“The more I think about Elmer’s Meme the more I like it. It drives the fembots crazy because it’s an irrefutable rebuttal to affirmative action.”
Thanks, I forgot to add : Only men take the risks that create opportunity.
So here it is :
1. Women are competing for jobs but not creating them
2. Only men take the risks that create opportunity.
3. Though men insult me, only men provide me opportunity
4. Women only insult me and deprive me of opportunity
5. Women can only serve as functionaries in man-created organizations
6. When an organization becomes feminized, it changes from efficient and profitable production of goods and services to creation of rules to ensure the comfort and security of women
7. When men have been driven out of an organization, it becomes a static bureaucracy; it has ceased to be a living, adapting, risk-taking entity. Ossification and death are inevitable.
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Good article, Ken.
Your friend Davis, like most people, has a loose grasp of natural selection. Yes we’re gene machines, but the genes know nothing and care less about the individual organism that carries them. Natural selection is a probabilistic process, measuring the cumulative effect of reproductive favorability across large groups of individuals and many generations. (The opposable thumb doesn’t appear suddenly in one superior individual – sorry, Davis). Davis’s genes are carried by many other people in his population group and will be reproduced whether he has children or not. This goes for all of us.
Davis should be more concerned about what kind of people his children are. I have kids and all it has cost me is everything I’ve got. There are times, however, when it is very much worth it. I took my son to rent a tux for his junior prom recently. In the store were a couple of basketball players renting tuxes for a wedding. It’s a little disconcerting when you’re used to being the tallest person around to run into a couple of men who are 6′ 7″ tall.
My son is a historian. As we’re driving away from the tux rental store, I asked him, “do you know the first thing I thought of when I saw those guys?”
“What?” he said.
“Zulus.”
My son erupted into laughter and told me he had the same thought at the same moment. The two of us laughed hysterically, connected by the knowledge that we share the same brain. These moments make all the sacrifice worthwhile.
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@Uncle Elmer
The short version is better. Points 2 and 3 have a wonderful logically elegant symmetry. It’s a masculine logic bomb, an exploding cupcake with point 1 the delicious “fuck you” icing on top.
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Here is a vid that kind of elaborates on Uncle Elmer’s points.
I have been a victim of this more times than I care to remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFtVaP1Ql9I
I don’t know if what this gentleman recommends can work, my advice (good or bad) is to avoid such work places.
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is it just me, but this whole thread / subject I have been unable to comment, because running through my head is the refrain…
“How much is that doggy in the window….. woof woof”
sung by a little girl…
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“I don’t know if what this gentleman recommends can work, my advice (good or bad) is to avoid such work places.”
I doubt if it works (keeping a record of abusive behavior). I have encountered this behavior from men as well. The only effective thing you can do is walk away from it, and that’s difficult for a man who has invested years in a company. The moment you start putting up with emotional abuse it never ends.
However, he rightly points out that a female employee can easily ruin a small company financially. Hire a woman, hire a lawsuit.
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@ Herbal Essence;
Feminists: “Men should get married, because women are so freaking special and precious. If she divorces him, it’s his fault anyway.”
Actually Feminists are quite pleased with the plunging marriage rates and say so. They say it hurts men, but hurts woman more. No discussion about the long term ramifications. Simultaneously, they want to end ‘porn culture’ so that the boys get interested in the chase again.
The cohabitaters have been getting off light but I can’t believe the family courts are going to continue that. There will be a creeping common law even in those states that do not have explicit common law statutes.
I am learning to let go to. It’s a process. I still have that salmon urge to swim up the river that will kill me. The only real option is to make my money here and retire to Cambodia or some place off the beaten path. If I were young and free I would have left for eastern Europe already.
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AfOR June 26, 2011 at 13:57
is it just me, but this whole thread / subject I have been unable to comment, because running through my head is the refrain…
“How much is that doggy in the window….. woof woof”
sung by a little girl…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-gtcd8Ot0k
Okay the girl is not so little.
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@Elmer
I would also recomend that after walking, spread the word about the bad company. Hopefully the word would spread.
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That claim that older men produce defective kids sure sounds like another convenient feminist hoax, to go along with hundreds of other hoaxes. I have seen other medical figures which while showing an increase, is much, much lower rate of defect than they claim here. Another desperate attempt to shove equality into anything that puts down women, as loss of fertility does.
I have been observing feminist hoaxes for nearly 45 years. If you see a “new” statistic touted to put men in a negative light, it is probably a hoax, period. After 45 years of trashing men, all bad things about men have been well known for a long time. So, if they discover something new, assume it’s a lie and you will probably be correct.
And, you are correct about the reason. Hypergamous women, not re-programmed by feminist hoaxes, will be very happy to have babies by an affluent, responsible older man who stays home nights, and can provide stability and an inheritance. We can’t have that.
I live in Mexico. My estimate is that somewhere around 5%, maybe more, maybe less, of young women left to themselves would happily marry much older men. Not just gold-digging, although that does also exist, but because they like responsible, older men who treat them better than younger men do. In the US, they year from birth that older men who want younger women are sick perverts. Yet, last week, a 16 year old married a 51 year old man.
The Rich Old Bastard in this village lost his wife a couple years ago. He is 78, and his pregnant live-in is around 22. No one makes bad jokes or ugly comments. They realize both the man and woman are getting what they want, so all is well as far as the neighbors are concerned.
I am not as wealthy as he is, so if I were widowed, I probably couldn’t have more than 45 years difference.
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@Herbal Essence
Selling marriage to men today is like marketing an allergy drug with side effects like stroke, hemoraging, heart failure and death. As Jeff Foxworthy says, “I think I’ll just have itchy watery eyes.”
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At least the Femborg has so overreached in what they take and don’t offer anything in return that MGTOW becomes an easy choice.
I also love your thesis Elmer. It is one of the reasons I think the MRM cannot have females in it. For one we would be wasting our time on someone who never really contributes.
Remember: Thomas Balls immolation, he died for your children.
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In my lifetime, I have known a couple of women who acted like that.
First of all, they are spotted very early on and therefore, they cannot pull their trick more than a couple of times.
Secondly, they collapse very quickly if you face them with what I call an “unbending intent”: that is to say be not defensive but offensive, face them straight on with hard facts and by being totally logical and businesslike. If you stand your ground and are well prepared, you shall prevail.
But that’s not enough!
Once you have overcome, you now must work a plan to destroy them.
Beware of such individuals indeed, but be known for the quick and swift way you retaliate. And then you will see if they want to continue playing their little game.
When faced with an opponent who will simply not back off, such women fall back in line rather quickly.
Don’t ever back off when you are under such attacks: it’s your freedom you’re fighting for. Millions, if not billions of men have died for freedom. You have a moral obligation to fight for your freedom, lest the sacrifices of these legions of men be in vain.
You can take my word for it. I wasn’t loved very much by such harpies at work but no one stepped on my feet and wasn’t sorry afterwards.
Not one of them ever dared cross swords with me.
Crazy Belgian…
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“Feminists expected that men would continue forever to behave as that had into the 1960s — mostly mannerly, chivalrous, controlled by lust for sex and food, deferring always to females, etc. — but we haven’t.”
“As we approach a new century–and a new millenium–it’s the men who have to break through to a new way of thinking about themselves and society. Do bad women can’t do it for them, or go much further without them.” – Betty Friedan in the 2001 edition of her book, The Feminine Mystique
In other words, women are oppressed and men are the ones who need to change. The only way to eliminate female oppression is to change men and society, to create a world that’s more fair and just for women.
THIS is the third wave gents, the final battle front.
Michael Kimmel, The Good Men Project, Guy Garcia, etc.—-get (feminist) men to indocrinate and change other men.
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“In other words, women are oppressed and men are the ones who need to change. The only way to eliminate female oppression is to change men and society, to create a world that’s more fair and just for women.”
I don’t really see it that way, SD.
She says: “it’s the men who have to break through to a new way of thinking about themselves and society.”
She says that women have changed. And she adds that men have to change, too. But she didn’t say that men must accomodate women.
What’s implied here, imho, is that women have changed no matter what men said or did: now it’s men’s turn to change, no matter what women say or do.
To me, it’s more like MGTOW of thinking.
What say you?
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@Keyster
It’s also the laziest form of social activism and so thoroughly feminine that I am reading it causes me to not be concerned about the future of feminism, there is none, I am now only concerned that my son avoid all contact with these life force sucking cesspool dwellers.
Remember: Thomas Balls immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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mananon wries ‘The Shop Window metaphor re married life is excellent. Just think. Those inside looking out ……..’
Ben Franklin wrote that marriage is like a mob;those who are out want to get in, and those who are in want to get out.
I can understand exactly what he meant. Someone sees a mob and it looks like something fun and exciting to get into but once they’re in it’s whoa! what the hell did I get into here.
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“You’re living outside the Shop Window of life, looking in through the glass while the rest of us are inside”.
All I would say to this 2x loser and fucker of fugly unwed mothers is this, you see this Mecedes showroom we’re passing?
Well I can go into that shop and buy anything I want and pay Cash. Let’s walk a little further down to the used junk car lot. You can buy one of these clunkers if you get approved for a loan haha
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@ Rebel
I think she clearly states that she has expectations of men and also admits that without partcipation of half of the relationship feminist progress grinds to a halt.
She wrote this in 2001 and MGTOW was started, it’s hard to imagine a feminist theorist was unaware.
She seems to grasp the tenuous gains women had made but failed to address the lack of any gain to be had by men, other than those patronized by women like Kimmel.
Getting on with life is enough to completely foil the most destructive social experiment of the 20th century, Mgtow is our duty as thinking members of our society.
Remember: Thomas Balls immolation, he died for your children.
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Of course I would hate to leave the p@ssey beggars, the good boy project, the get access to the stank taco.
Remember: Thomas Balls immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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For us MGTOW, we can still enjoy “The Thrill of the Cunt”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGBhn0fd0HA
Remember: Thomas Ball’s immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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@SingleDad:
She said that in 2001?
By golly, I thought that scavenger had croaked many moons ago.
I guess carrion dies hard, don’t it?
Any idea when that harpie is gonna pop up then?
I’m sure the maggots will find her flabby slushy fat quite tasty.
Her procrastination is definitely undelicacy, for she keeps men painfully awaiting her passing…
It’s MY oxygen she breathing!
She has bad manners indeed…
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I personally think if we leave reading this article with a sort of “bitter sweet” notion, it may be most likely because many of us are offspring of a time when a man had a good shot at having a happy family life with a contented wife that showed a deep respect for her husband and yes to all you feminists out there, actually obeyed her husband. The “bitter” part is maybe holding some ashes of hope that the notion that this kind of societal family infrastructure still has some skeletal remains kicking around somewhere. Well after two flushed marriages I have to admit I was more trying, I think, to impress my father who has been married almost 50 years (and experienced sadly not at all the bliss he or my mother had hoped for), but six kids later they endured. As a boy growing up, taught to grow up and be a “man” like him I did everything I possibly could even be a better husband than I know he was to my mother, yet unfortunetly didn’t succeed in both marriages because I now know I was working against a “stacked deck”. Back in the early 1950′s feminism did not even have it’s baby teeth yet compared to the fangs it has today. Well, I can only best speak for myself, and say that the more I chew on my conclusions about this article and about the day and age we live in, the more “sweet” my personal assessment becomes. I have to be careful not to construct my future with the past. Current articles like this in Spear Head help keep us in tune with the present. Yes, as keyster, said, thank God for feminism, for now we can be truly free of it cancerous destruction by seeing clearly it’s intention to use our blood, sweat, and tears for women’s selfish pleasure and domination. Are we in the “third wave” and will we live long enough to see victory? And what is that victory going to look like? Let’s take great care to show that, though deeply scarred, we are not out for revenge but rather to pursue a process of absolute equality where every discrepancy between the sexes is an issue that is solved by mutual compliance and respect. Is this just a utopia that only by inhaling opium one can visualize? I’m not yet convinced. It’s obvious how some days, in the trenches, in the progress of things, time seems to stand still, especially when forcibly contrasted with some urgency for justice we may be experiencing in our personal lives. Yet know that I am with you my brothers and each day is another win as we march forward with our evidence and inborn virtue.
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OT…
and if this were a MALE TV star we all know he would be a pervert paedophile who was looking for a child to molest or a woman to rape.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2008482/Doctor-Who-star-Karen-Gillan-naked-riotous-New-York-party.html
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OT..sadly..nothing unusual here.
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=17172
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OT..by the way? He died….and notice the lie.
“A police source said the the man was suffering a mental illness and the incident did not appear to be related to any ongoing court matters. ”
Nah..he just decided to set himself alight outside the court building by co-incidence.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/man-dies-after-setting-himself-alight-20100608-xr4p.html
Remember the immolation of Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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It’s cruel really, only letting 20 percent of the guys in and then berating the other 80 percent for not being inside.
MGTOW
Remember the immolation of Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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Crystal meth is a bad drug Peter.
She’s the current female lead in Dr Who, her very current character plays a woman who leaves her husband mid wedding to eat pray love with the doctor and baby brained cuckolds tags along, gross.
In one segment, that reveals female thinking, he only exists if she remembers him.
The only saving grace is that the Dr appears to be mgtow.
Remember: Thomas Balls immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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SingleDad June 27, 2011 at 06:12
“Crystal meth is a bad drug Peter.”
I have no idea what her circumstances were. I just commented that if a man who was a relatively well known TV actor was found in exactly the same position for exactly the same reason he would be a ‘rapist and a paedophile’ and we all know it.
Remember: Thomas Balls immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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I think we should refer to all dumpster-diving-3+wives manginas who consider themselves “better” than single men w/o children :
“THE BETTER DAVIS SOCIETY”
in honor of my buddy the “I’m a p*ssy-gettin’-m*therf*cker” dumpster diver extraordinaire named Davis.
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Herbal Essence June 26, 2011 at 09:32
Great post…basically lays it out for the lads.
The comments here are getting better and better with the downvoting and disappearance of womens comments. Seems it has only taken 18 months to realize that women have nothing useful to say and that we are best advised not to respond to them.
Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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Joe Zamboni June 26, 2011 at 09:09
“ Either we men go the traditional way, get married, have kids, get divorced, get financially raped through the courts, pay alimony, lose the house, etc.”
“ For example, we men can date and have fun with women, perhaps even be in a monogamous relationship with a particular woman, but still refuse to get married, refuse to have babies, and refuse to live together. That is a legitimate and defensible position to take, and the one I have personally pursued for the last 15 years.”
Correct. As a man who did the former and now does the latter I can give my testimony as to which is better. After my divorce, on my first new business effort I made well over six figures in euros for my six months of work. That money was used to pay off debts to those who supported me while my bank accounts were closed and to sustain my lawful battle against those who committed crimes against me.
In that time I’ve had 5 favs. Fav#5 just coming to that status. Two were short lived but two others were 2.5 years and 1 year respectively. I have enjoyed my life in the last three years like never before.
One of the things I really like doing is talking to men who are really down and out from FC and the abuse they have had. I give them what others seem to not give. I give them hope. Hope of a better life in the future not so far away. I am the living expression of just how well off a man can be post divorce.
I am pretty broke just at the moment as I have spent most of the money I earned in the last three years on supporting myself while going after the scumbag criminals. But we will have our court cases soon. I have actually bet a friend I will have in excess of EUR1M in my bank account by the end of this year. I have a very good chance of pulling that off.
Since my fav#1 was not agreeable to ‘no more children’ I have chosen now to never have another woman living in my place. My fav#5 is a very independent woman who does not want children and does not want to be married. We just like each others company. She is intrigued by all that I have recently taught her about the control grid and she’s smart enough to ‘get it’.
For the remainder of my life I will tell young men that having been a great husband/father for 18 years and with one woman 23 years? It is not recommended and the alternative is FAR better. And if you are so hung up on ‘spreading your genes’? That is an entirely different prospect than being a ‘father and husband’.
Women have destroyed the institution of marriage and fatherhood. I, for one, believe that men are better off for the destruction of these ideas. I have no problem living in a less civilized society. I have had guns pointed at me many times over for many years now. I do not need all the ‘creature comforts’ of ‘safety and security’. I can look after myself. But women can’t. And that is now their problem. Not mine.
Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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“Getting on with life is enough to completely foil the most destructive social experiment of the 20th century, Mgtow is our duty as thinking members of our society.”
This is what keeps the SoCon women up at night. And yet rather than take feminists head on, what do they do?…they shame men for being so selfish, just as selfish as the modern feminist woman..because men respond to shame and feminists rule the narrative.
Feminists said, “It’s about YOU and YOUR identity apart from a man, a husband and a family!” Men are adapting to this by realizing, “Hey, feminists are right.” Slavery to a spouse, home and children works both ways. The difference is that women get praise and adulation for it, and men get shame and ridicule for it.
So, “blue pill” men (indocrinated thru the media and academia) succumb to social pressure and try to FORCE a relationship and marriage to a feminist woman inflicted with baby rabies…which eventually fails miserably as there is no “man of the house”, just two complacent women, one of whom has a dick, the other legal authority to steal.
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@ Peter
I obviously have no idea either, but for young men today it’s important that they know how dangerous crystal meth is. It’s huge right now and said to be one of the most dangerous and most addictive drugs ever.
Many cases of child abuse, especially child neglect to the point of death, are caused by Crystal Meth.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/104148-effects-crystal-meth/
Remember: Thomas Ball’s immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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@ Peter
One thing I found interesting was that she knocked on doors and no one would let a naked actress in to help her.
Is the fear of sexual assault charges leading to people avoiding helping women? The comments blamed it on heatless American’s. I think the assault on men’s dignity and the ease of trumped up charges of sexual assault, especially in NY Hotels may also be on peoples minds.
Remember: Thomas Ball’s immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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OT…..
If you buy what is in the store? This is what you end up with.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2008603/Kirstie-Alley-slips-slim-figure-skin-tight-Roland-Mouret-dress.html
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@SD,
correct. A man would have to be INSANE to allow a naked woman into his hotel room. When she screams ‘rape’ he’s going away for 10-15.
Women wanted the ‘right’ to commit perjury. They are so stupid that they have never listened to the tale of ‘the little boy who cried wolf’.
I have been over on the Australian Sovereignty Party facebook this week pointing out how stupid women were to take the kool-aid of ‘no penalty for perjury’. Of course a few women had to claim I am a ‘woman-hater’ and one even claimed I am a sociopath based on no evidence at all. (link below)
Well? What does this ‘right to lie and have innocent men put in jail’ look like?
It looks like when a woman who is in REAL trouble calls for help she will be ignored more and more frequently. And how will women respond? Will they respond with ‘well we had better offer men the protection of the law from perjury then’?
Nope. They will hate on us MORE…How do I know? Because they hate on us ALL THE time for no reason at all.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_202699683093973&ap=1
Remember: Thomas Ball’s immolation, he gave his life for your children.
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When I was younger,I thought about getting married but when I did research on modern marriage I changed my mind & joined the marriage strike. And disvovered MGTOW,but I’m glad I didn’t & life is beautiful!
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Hey guys,
This ought to be good.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008713/Bristol-Palin-claims-fianc-Levi-Johnston-stole-virginity-aged-15.html
She, as a woman, doesn’t take any responsibility for her actions and accuses Levi of some outlandish things.
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After 45 years of trashing men, all bad things about men have been well known for a long time. So, if they discover something new, assume it’s a lie and you will probably be correct.
I’ve found just in my own personal experience that the females I’ve known who have had fathers who were much older men when they were conceived are all much more intelligent than average. Sperm may actually become better with age.
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Consider the following terms: rebel, lone wolf, rugged individualist, entrepreneur.
Which sex do you associate these with?
Men define themselves by asserting their individuality.
Women by contrast seek to belong to the collective.
Black sheep are shunned by the female herd.
From the female vantage point a man who lives by a code of self sufficiency and independence will always be perceived as looking in from the outside.
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As if having your DNA ratified by an ameriskank is some great accomplishment.
Quite the contrary, I’d venture to say, because the Bristol Palins of the world are inherently incompetent at this most basic of basic things. As they are at virtually everything else. Some woman wanting to have your baby is NOT a Good Thing.
Ken, I hope “The Better Davis Society” meme sticks. It’s a good one.
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My comment….
“Yes gents. There is no end to the ‘victimhood’ of women. And if this is how well Sarah Palin controls her daughter? Do you REALLY want that woman near any buttons that launch nukes?”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008713/Bristol-Palin-claims-fianc-Levi-Johnston-stole-virginity-aged-15.html
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Re: The Male Biological Clock
Did not read the article, considering the title, and that it is the WSJ is enough for me to assume what is in it.
what is not in it is this:
So if men have a biological clock, this means his abilities to father a child diminish over time, unless there is a fertility kill switch at age XX;
This also means that if a less fertile man wants to father a child his best bet will be a overly fertile 20 something; not a almost barren woman at his own age.
The cougars are again left in the cold by science/feminist rhetoric/shaming/wishful thinking.
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“Happy Bulletproof Day”
I like that! It’s a nice counterpart to Father’s Day and IMO it should be an unofficial, yet celebrated holiday of all single childless men like Steak & Blow Job day.
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69- a 56 year difference is too much. A man should not be anymore than 50 years older than the female
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Can you Thomas Ball lovers change your ‘siggie’ from:
Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Please,
Thank you, dears!
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Single mothers. Scraping the bottom of the barrel. “Davis” is pathetic.
Barring any global catastrophe, the human race will not die out. “Davis’” unremarkable contributions to the gene pool are nothing to shout about. There are better and more efficient ways to leave your indelible legacy to future generations.
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Women have a biological clock. Men don’t. Life is not fair, get used to it.
A woman’s biological clock’s alarm goes off every month: menstruation. It is like a reminder. Gradually the alarm goes softer over time, and at menopause, the alarm does not ring anymore. And no, you cannot repair it or replace the batteries.
Suppose there is no female biological clock. What then? Women in their 80s and 90s will be squirting out kids right and left. What a horrendous sight! Similarly, if people cannot die, the planet will be overpopulated and descend into chaos.
Menopause, just like death, is God/Mother Nature’s regeneration mechanism: out with the old, make way for the new. Do not try to fight it.
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“Women in their 80s and 90s will be squirting out kids right and left. What a horrendous sight! ”
I won’t be able to sleep tonight, thanks to you
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I am awaiting the arrival of the Billy Joel-like person who stands ready to loft a brick through the window of this particular “shop” …
(The album cover, for those of you who are wondering what this means: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Billy_Joel_-_Glass_Houses.jpg …)
As for those Ken Knight refers to as “trapped”, I refer him to the second track on the “Glass Houses” album — “Sometimes a fantasy … is all you need!”
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I prescribe to the MTGOW lifesyle of still socializing with women but won’t marry or even live with them. (Never been married lived with a few. I use game without being utterly evil and ruthless about it and I concentrate on making and keeping what I earn for myself. (More $$$ to play and by grownup toys with) For guys like me its an utterly flwless and perfect plan…..EXCEPT with one huge glaring flaw. What if you actually WANT to have kids?
Luckily for me I already have one and having seen my child graduate grow up and go to college is worth more to me than all the riches in the history of the world.
I got lucky on that point plain and simple.
But I don’t think I’d be willing to roll the dice again in the future knowing what I know now. And above all else THAT’S the true crime in all of this
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@Ms. Jennifer – Re: The Male Biological Clock
You Wish Grandma !!!!
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