Single Mothers vs. Single Fathers

by W.F. Price on May 10, 2011

A few readers took issue with yesterday’s post suggesting that single, 30-something women were lucky in that they still had access to a pool of decent men — divorced fathers. A couple readers thought I was suggesting that divorced men should take on single mothers, so perhaps I should make myself clear:

Single childless women past 30 may be appropriate for divorced fathers, but single mothers are a big liability these days.

Why is this? Well, let’s start with the obvious. Single mothers are overwhelmingly so by choice. Aside from the small number of widows and women whose husbands ran off on their families, single women with children made the conscious choice to put themselves in that situation. This is a choice that has been celebrated at least since Murphy Brown decided to become a single mother on TV back in the early 90s.

Single fathers, on the other hand, are overwhelmingly victims of circumstances. Men have no control over female reproduction, so they cannot abort their children. Men who run off from their families are subject to confiscatory measures on behalf of the mother, and most of them know this and avoid doing so. Women overwhelmingly file for divorce, especially when children and custody issues are involved.

These circumstances exert strong pressure on men, forcing them to stick by their families through thick and thin. Men will put up with a great deal before divorcing their wives.

Since the late 80s, women, on the other hand, have choices every step of the way. They can terminate their pregnancies, they can leave their husbands with some guarantee of custody and support, and they are very often recipients of welfare (e.g. WIC — Women with Infants and Children).

Therefore, single mothers are overwhelmingly women who have:

a. Left their children’s father

b. Subjected their children’s father to state confiscation

c. Deprived their children of a father figure

d. Relied on others to involuntarily support their choice

Why on earth would a man want a woman like that? Only a fool would think such a woman was a safe bet. Even leaving aside the problems inherent in mixed families, what guarantee is there that she won’t simply repeat what she’s already proven herself capable of at some point in the future?

Single and divorced fathers, on the other hand, are men who have proven loyalty to their children, have “done their duty” despite the fact that the orders and judgments were unfair, and are not generally responsible for the demise of their marriages (most divorces are filed for “irreconcilable differences” – not abuse or infidelity – by the wife).

Given these circumstances, it doesn’t matter much whether men or women are different — the realities of contemporary law have created an imbalance that clearly puts men at a disadvantage in divorce and custody. When such an imbalance exists, those who take advantage of it, i.e. single mothers, have demonstrated their own low character, whereas those victimized by it have no reason to feel ashamed.

Today, there is no equivalency between single mothers and single fathers, and men would be well-advised to avoid single mothers in all but exceptional circumstances.

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Hadamard May 10, 2011 at 12:25

Don’t kid yourself, there are no exceptions to the no single mothers rule. At best they are a risky pump and dump candidate.

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Opus May 10, 2011 at 12:35

I am happy to say that I have never ‘fallen’ for a single-mother – or for that matter a Cougar, or even a currently married woman, however I have dated a few single-mums (but in my Gigolo days – just providing a public service) and I mention this as there is one aspect of single-motherness I then noticed and which Welmer has not mentioned, but which might make any man pause before taking on a single mother.

It is this: The male children of single-mums are frequently quite out of control. Their mothers cannot deal with them. As an example – only yesterday – I passed a women (arabic) and her mother in the shoping mall. They were shouting at their five year old boy for about half a miniute. For what reason I could not say. I am sure the father would have sorted the matter quietly whatever it was in seconds – and without raising his voice. The male children are out of control because the women too are out of control. Small male children need fathers (generally); in fact they need families, but with breathtaking hypocricy and self-righteouseness the state panders to the worst of female self-centeredness and justifies it’s destruction of families as being in the best interests of the children.

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Eric May 10, 2011 at 12:37

Off topic, but I thought some of the readers here might appreciate several of the illusions about women being shattered in a post on Cracked.com

A sense of humor is a potent weapon.
Stay funny my friends.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18760_6-things-everyone-knows-about-women-that-arent-true.html

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Denis May 10, 2011 at 12:41

I don’t see the difference between single women and single mothers.

Marriage to either is a road to slavery. Don’t marry, get a vasectomy, don’t live with them and fuck whomever you want.

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Denis May 10, 2011 at 12:41

I don’t see the difference between single women and single mothers.

Marriage to either is a road to slavery. Don’t marry, get a vasectomy, don’t live with them and fuck whomever you want.

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HurleyHacker May 10, 2011 at 12:42

Wow everytime I read about predatory (single)-mothers I feel a little more sorry for myself. You cannot train a Feminist much less a single mother. Study a cat and then apply to single mothers.

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Libor Plus Two May 10, 2011 at 12:48

As a 30 something, successful, single, high net worth father I can with tell you the expectation is for us (single fathers) to settle and except any woman that wants a relationship with us and

1) not question her motives
2) take into consideration any part of her past
3) ask anything about her past that she doesn’t want to talk about (we’re all supposed to magically know what those questions are) and/or
4) make any judgement/comments about her past.

There’s even more pressure and shaming from church, family and friends when we don’t get involved with poor helpless single mothers.

Single fathers and mothers are in the positions we’re in because of the people we’ve chosen to get involved with. I just chose moving forward to not risk my capital, assets and peace of mind making that same poor choice again and recognize the absolute and definitive tell-tale signs of a doomed future relationship:

Women with children my another man/men.

Many a pushy person has said “Libor, you’re a single dad…you should be involved with/not pass on a single mother.”

My reply “I don’t want to have anything to do with my own’s children’s’ mother. Why the hell would I want anything to do with somebody else’s!?!?!”

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Rebel May 10, 2011 at 12:59

A friend of mine is the single father of two boys. They are grown ups now.
It was hard work for the dad but he didn’t meet much resistance in getting acceptance in society.
As he was super assertive, few cared oppose him in any way.
In his case, the judge gave the father full custody with visiting rights to the mother. No cs was required from the mother, though. She was an addict.

It was better that way: the mother was taken off the picture completely.
Not his doing: it was the will of the boys. They despised her too much.

A consequence of his sole custody was that he could never find a girl friend because of the kids. Women don’t chose single fathers, contrarily to what many men do.
Most of the single women that I know practice serial monogamy.
With a single mother, you will never be better than number two. That, too, is to be considered.
(and that’s if there’s no dog in the house…)
… then third place is your lot. (lol!!)

Now, who’s got it worse: the mother or the father?

It’s a strange phenomenon but it seems to me that dads get very positive attention. At least in my region. A single mother is very common but a single dad is a rarity and looked up to if he is deserving.

Fathers have become a rarity but those who want to claim paternal rights are now more welcome. I guess a 50% drop out rate with boys scares everybody now. The causes for the rise of youth crime has been identified among the general public: single motherhood.

Is that some kind of victory?
No.
The truth cannot be hidden for very long.

Women are more miserable than ever.
Men are most carefree than ever.
…and then Atlas shrugged.

I wonder who’s winning..

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LoneWolf May 10, 2011 at 13:17

I’m still fascinated by the continuous delusion that ANY WOMAN – no matter how they’re classified – is a “good deal” for a man. I don’t care if they’re single, divorced, with children, with pets, with vaginal stimulation utensils, with herpes, with a billion dollars sitting in an off-shore bank account, with the key to immortality, or with the ability to provide a man the most stunning sex he’s ever experienced. The fact is, they’re all emotionally deranged, tumultuous, nonsensical and undisciplined. All of them. It matters not their age, intellect (cough, cough), maturity (hack, hack), or life experience. They’re ALL crazed nutjobs.

If you men already know that NAWALT is a bunch of crap, then why are you deluding yourselves into thinking that the next one won’t be as bad as the last? Go on gentlemen, stress yourselves out by purposefully choosing to associate with these filthy scum. Then you can all return here and post incessantly about how you’ve been fucked over.

It’s as if you men willingly stroll onto a notoriously dishonest and unethical used car lot and see all of the run-down, worn-out, featureless, valueless crap on the lot and say to yourselves, “How bad can it be? I think I’ll buy one.” And believe me, buy one you will.

You want solutions? Check out of the eff-ing hotel already. A woman asks you the time of day; answer by telling her to go fuck herself. A woman greets you with a cheery “hello”; politely tell her to blow it out of her ass. A woman begs you to have sex with her (like it ever happens in real life); nicely tell her that you’d rather spend that 3 minutes taking a shit with the heat blasting and the windows sealed tight.

Men willingly gave women their entitled, princess, cunt mentality by illustrating how insipid and insecure men truly are; coddling women, protecting women, shielding and sheltering them, providing them with freebies and perks — and for what? Because you think you’ll get a piece of ass? How terribly weak and foolish. You think you need to insert your penis in something THAT desperately, then go home and jam it in a meat grinder. At least you’ll spare the next potential episode of handing your balls over to some deranged skank and further providing collective entitlement power to these eff-ing whores.

The only solution I see is total and complete rejection and abandonment of these scum. Entitlement power would be immediately wiped out. Overblown sense of self-centered egotistical value would be completely obliterated. These cunts would have no clue how to act (as if that’s not the current case) if they no longer had gushing male attention, free drinks, free dinners, access to sperm for their sorry collection of brats, and the Holy Grail of marriage along with the inevitable divorce jackpot that you men seem to line up voluntarily to provide these whores.

Problem is – since about 90% of men have already handed their balls over to some out-of-control skank, there simply aren’t enough balls left to stand up for Mankind and reject these pigs.

Really, gentlemen? There’s nothing of value in your pathetic lives that it must be filled up with female-driven stress, angst, tumult, chaos and financial ruin? Please.

We brought it on ourselves, but we’re too pussified at this point to reverse course. Look at yourselves for the answers because the solution is NOT in legislation, or in “rights” groups (there is no such thing as “rights” for men, if you haven’t figured it out already), or in convincing women to modify their behavior. Get real. The answer is within you as individuals – in your own beliefs and convictions – if you feel they’re worth protecting with personal enforcement.

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Denis May 10, 2011 at 13:20

You’re fooling yourselves that young childless women are any better and less likely to stab you in the back.

They are more often demanding princesses and expecting that YOU will fulfill all their dreams.

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 13:56

Rebel

Excellent post,,,,, old man.

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Roland3337 May 10, 2011 at 14:05

I was something of a worst-case scenario. I married a single mother, without having any children of my own.

In order to bear witness to something Opus wrote: “The male children of single-mums are frequently quite out of control.”

In my experience, this is absolutely true. The child of this woman was indeed out of control: Stole money, set at least one fire, used kitchen knives as toys, and was the most vindictive sort I ever came across.

And as a non-biological father, I had no say in discipline.

The mother was pretty hot, which is why I involved myself with her. Probably a 9 before she hit 30. But she was ABSOLUTELY NOT WORTH IT.

I was lucky to escape when I did.

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misterb aka misterbastard May 10, 2011 at 14:10

A good number of people in my generation were raised by single fathers While growing up, in aboriginal communities, single fathers often refused child support from their ex-wives, they considered that their money (ex-wives’ money) is vile as they are.

A very few single fathers can make someone cave in. Via intimidated by a single father put his foot down. I suspect that few men still have that bone in ‘em.

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Lysander Spooner May 10, 2011 at 14:23

I am a single father who obtained custody of my twin sons, who are now 21.

I was divorced when they were 10, yes the X filed, yes she raped me financially, I lived in my car for awhile, but fought back and got them when they were 13. They wanted out from under her, she was a bible thumping hypocrite, and frankly they can take about an hour of her now. When they come home to visit they stay with me still, we are very close.

I have dated single moms, one in particular was a train wreck. Selfish, narcissistic, with out of control kids, but wanted to be the boss of me…lol. Her house was a mess, her friends and family were a mess, and I believe she resented the fact that my kids were well behaved, responsible, respectful, good looking and smart. I truly think she viewed them as ‘being in the way’. Needless to say, I did the Duran Duran and ran. I dated a 30 year old single woman, never married, no kids, didn’t recognize it at the time why she was such a lunatic, until I arrived here and other MRA sites. She made statements like: “All I want is equality”, “I’m ok with marriage, but I am keeping my name, because I will not let a man run my life”, “All I want to do is have fun”, blah, blah, blah. Interestingly, both were on ‘Psych’ meds, both were lunatics and I am happy to say I got away rather unscathed.

If I were to advise anyone from my own experience, with or without kids can be ‘crazy’, but the kids definitely added another layer of chaos and male down grading. I kept hearing “My kids come first” from these single Mom’s, as if it were a badge of honor. When I hear that tripe, I usually don’t comment, it really means “You will never be first”, and usually the dog/cat/Mother/sister/friend all ready have a firm grip on seconds, so get in line bud because with a single Mom that is where your place in line will be. I also wonder if that were true then why did they wreck a family, it certainly wasn’t because “My kids come first”, such Barbara Streisand.

Gentlemen, keep reading, keep coming and supporting the MRA sites and ideas, keep trying to do the ‘right thing’, there is reward in it.

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TomJW May 10, 2011 at 14:26

misterb aka misterbastard May 10, 2011 at 14:10
“A very few single fathers can make someone cave in. Via intimidated by a single father put his foot down. I suspect that few men still have that bone in ‘em.”

I have to agree with you there, for the most part. Most things don’t seem important enough to fight the world, or a small part of it on. But I can remember a time my son blew off a homework assignment that seemed very important to him. He didn’t want to go to school and tried to get out of it. I rode him until I could drop him off in the parking lot and then he walked in the opposite direction of the school. I got out of the car and verbally raised hellfire on him. He he was only my height at the time) actually asked me what I was going to do. Then I told him that I didn’t know, but I would change from trying to raise him to making his life a living hell every day. He went to school. The undone assignment was no big deal. I avoided strangling him and stayed out of jail. (I understand Homer Simpson.)

Yeah, just be feared more than anything else.

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Rebel May 10, 2011 at 14:33

@ oddsock May 10, 2011 at 13:56
Rebel

Excellent post,,,,, old man.”

Thank you. That was nice of you . What wasn’t was the added word….err…mmh.. old?

Been young for longer than you is all… eh?..lol!!

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 14:48

Rebel

Your a fossil. A wise one though. lol

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Rebel May 10, 2011 at 15:02

Oddsock,

Flattery will git yo’ nowhar.
Furthermo’e, thet was a double edged swo’d, warn’t it?

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Bohemian Rockstar May 10, 2011 at 15:12

….as I commented yesterday, I’m a single dad. Thankyou for your post and it’s true. I hope you keep writting on this subject.

To my comrades out there, I’m Fully responsible for my choices, but your fears are my reality. I came to all this “after the fact”. I hope this stays on the radar.

And another interesting point, after the divorce, she was shocked that the tables had turned from her to me. She thought she’d pick up where she left off.

And my girlfriend is over 30 with no kids. It works well and better than being married as I’m not looking for a mother for my kids but a partner.

As for single mothers, I have never and will never date them. They hate me for the double standards and the fact that my boys and my previous long term marriage do not really hinder me.

Keep up the good work.

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 15:12

Rebel

Nah, no double edged sword mate. Just a compliment.

I think you need to improve on your English accent though, It’s crap lol

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misterb aka misterbastard May 10, 2011 at 15:14

The reason why single mothers only produce hoodlums and thugs. is that they lack direct among other things. A hoodlum aka a dumb ass.

if you take in pregnant young woman and gave her a temporarily place to stay. Let’s say, no good deed goes unpunished.

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AfOR May 10, 2011 at 15:16

I was IM’d by one tonight…

She was 39 (I’m 50) reasonable body and face, and as usual (read my internet dating advice, click the link that is my name) as soon as it get to IM or SMS the talk gets to sex.

I tell her I like sex, a lot.

How much is a lot, she asks.

Every day, I say.

Wow, she says, she has had a hip replacement so her legs go after sex, so she can only do it once or twice a week.

What about anal, I ask.

She doesn’t do anal, she says.

What about blowjobs?

She doesn’t swallow, gag reflex, so she can’t deep throat either… oh, and she has to be in the mood.

“So…” I say “… let’s make sure I have this right… you don’t take it up the ass, you can’t give a decent blowjob, and you can only handle it in the cunt once or twice a week….”

She closed the IM window…. lmfao

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Bohemian Rockstar May 10, 2011 at 15:18

When such an imbalance exists, those who take advantage of it, i.e. single mothers, have demonstrated their own low character, whereas those victimized by it have no reason to feel ashamed.

Thanks for this comment.

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Simon May 10, 2011 at 15:19

I have to agree with you there, for the most part. Most things don’t seem important enough to fight the world, or a small part of it on. But I can remember a time my son blew off a homework assignment that seemed very important to him. He didn’t want to go to school and tried to get out of it. I rode him until I could drop him off in the parking lot and then he walked in the opposite direction of the school. I got out of the car and verbally raised hellfire on him. He he was only my height at the time) actually asked me what I was going to do. Then I told him that I didn’t know, but I would change from trying to raise him to making his life a living hell every day. He went to school. The undone assignment was no big deal. I avoided strangling him and stayed out of jail. (I understand Homer Simpson.)

My old man would have taken his belt off and whipped my ass right there. And if I thought I was too big for a whipping, then he would have fought me. I’ve seen him fight my older brother. He ruled with a fair, firm, but iron fist inside a leather glove.

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SingleDad May 10, 2011 at 15:29

@ Tom

Seconded. With teen boys it’s fear. Only bare knuckle, he thinks your crazy, can’t predict what your going to do next, fear.

You can’t be friends, buddies, good dad. They will take advantage of you….quicker than a women’s studies major goes down on a frat boy.

My son is a very well respected A student after his little independence display….then mine.

He plays his mom like a fiddle and she really does give a damn. I feel for boys that are raised by no one, aka, single moms.

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Opus May 10, 2011 at 15:31

How times have changed. My father told me that when he was a young man, there was a female known to him and his friends who was illegitimate. Not her fault of course but neither he or his friends would take her seriously as marriage-material. Her background was wrong – how much more, therefore, is there wrong-background with these single-mothers – and I have rarely heard (personally) any explanation from any woman as to why her ex was so dreadful that was in any way convincing. Perhaps – on reflection – we SHOULD be supporting the slut-marches: We think you ARE sluts – and are just NOT interested!

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greyghost May 10, 2011 at 15:33

@ Lone wolf
You sound like another man that has it figured out. Most of this talk about this woman or that women is better than that woman stuff is just death throws. I’ve been reading and posting on this subject for 2 plus years. I started out thinking I was doing something wrong and wanted to see what I could do. There is nothing to be done. Then I started to find out how to find a “good woman” . This one one took longer and required studying game and spending a lot of time on married and happy blogs. What I found out really got me down and angry. There is no “good woman” The thing that is truely great about “game” is not the ability to raise the gina tingles in a female. It is the knowledge of real world female psychology. It took me a while but fairly recently I have fully realised women are no good today, woman have always been no good. Also there is no race or place on earth where women are better. Women are very self centered,the term solipsism is a very good term to use in reference to women. It is a female characteristic. That part of female character is not a flaw it is normal. The rationalization hamster is real. Once I fully understood that truth the next conclusion makes perfect sense. Women don’t have the capacity to love. That right there was the most depressing thing I ever said in my life. After a while it will explain a whole about feminism and how the laws are written and enforced. Look at abortion, look at how a woman can cut a baby out of a pregnant woman and take the child. Look at the total lack of empathy for victims of false rape. Look at the at the whole idea of the slut walk. ( women feel they have an absolute right to live in perfect safety and not have the slightest responsibility for it at all) Some guy here post a link in his comment to an article about a woman hitting a man over the head with a frying pan for not getting her a mother’s day gift. The comments on the article from woman were typical and matched exactly what I just described.
With the laws and social standards,and lack of religious standards it is impossible for a woman to be of any real value other than for her uterus to develope a fetus to a child. And it has always been that way. Only thing different was society had rules and laws that made selfish behavior more civil. Marriage 1.0 worked for men because it was in a womans selfish interest. Look how women treat their children when they become a liability to them and not an asset. They make nice tools to punish the beta slave they are tired of. They can be killed if an opportunity for something better in the future is in jeopardy. Anytime along the way a mother can drop a child off at a fire station no questions asked. The only reason children live is that they are a source of income and housing, and a symbol of status and exemption from responsibilty for a women. Look at the scholarships for teenage moms that if she never had the child she would never be on her way to college. That is just a couple of examples that I wanted to share but the principles of game can be applied to women in any situation. One more thing logic is not to be used the hamster eats logic to survive.
Maybe I can right an article to give an idea i have to break this up on our initiative instead of a calamity or calapse.

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 15:54

AfOR

Interesting technique you have.

I have a different approach.

Whenever I got a few IM or SMS I would start to ask about their bedroom furniture. One or Two would close the window straight away.

If they remained I would then ask if they thought their bedroom furniture would take my weight? A few would ask why but still close the window.

A few that still remained I would ask them how they felt about me wearing a bat man costume in the bedroom ? Some might close the window on this question?

I would usually be left with One or Two so I would then ask them how they felt about me leaping from the top of said bedroom furniture directly onto them lying naked on the bed? Quite a few closed the IM window here.

Occasionally I would be left with One so I would then ask them how she felt about me leaping from the top of said bedroom furniture while wearing me bat man costume, directly onto them lying naked face down arse up on the bed and did she have any KY jelly?

If she still wanted to chat I would close the window because she was obviously raving feckin mad!

We just have different selection methods mate.

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Rebel May 10, 2011 at 16:00

@Greyhost:
“The only reason children live is that they are a source of income and housing, and a symbol of status and exemption from responsibilty for a women.”

Your observations are very accurate.

This development has cast mankind back to prehistorical times. Before the acquisition of consciousness. At least, that’s what I felt reading your post.

I find it rather scary.
Specially since things are not getting any better with passing time.

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SingleDad May 10, 2011 at 16:04

Sorry, correction, that was “she really doesn’t give a damn”.

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 16:12

Rebel

@Greyhost:
“The only reason children live is that they are a source of income and housing, and a symbol of status and exemption from responsibilty for a women.”

Your observations are very accurate.

This development has cast mankind back to prehistorical times. Before the acquisition of consciousness. At least, that’s what I felt reading your post.

I find it rather scary.
Specially since things are not getting any better with passing time.

Rebel old man Pardon me for butting in. I suspect that what you observed in greyghost Dennis Lone Wolf and no doubt quite a few others is evidence of mans great spiritual awakening I have mentioned elsewhere on this site. You can see it on many other MRA/MGTOW websites. It is not meant to be some great crusade against feminism or a way for us to fix societies ills. Feminism was just the cataylist. A few men will awaken many will not.

As many mystics tell us. Most people are asleep. Most people marry divorce work have kids and even die asleep. To wake up is a little painful at first. Many get angry if you try to awaken them when they wish to stay asleep.

By the way, I am not making fun of or belittling being asleep. It’s the way most of us are and prefer to be.

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SingleDad May 10, 2011 at 16:26

OT

Turning lemons into lemonade, looks like 20% of men have learned how to get off the grid and put their women to work.

20% of men in their prime are not working:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/opinion/10brooks.html

It’s lower than any other G7 nation and scaring economists to death. They have figured out these guys are never going back to their death mills.

And NOW is scared women will have to “work till they drop”:

http://www.now.org/issues/economic/social/050311WorkTilWeDie.html

Oh, how the worm has turned.

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knuckledragger May 10, 2011 at 16:27

Adding children to the equation only serves to magnify the differences between men and women.
For a single Dad, it means “I got knocked on my ass, but I’ll get to my feet because I’ve got this kid to look out for.” By the time the kid is nearly grown, the Single Dad is still earning, alot wiser, and can only be regarded as one stable sunnuvabitch.
For Single Mom on the other hand, the prescence of children means “I just fucked someone over and have no intention of providing for myself.”
Her looks wil keep fading, her body will get sloppier, ad any conversation you’re unfortunate enough to ber involvd in will revolve around how good she imagines she still is.
Oh, and as for the idea that Game is somehow limited by womens’ self-centered tendencies, that’s acutally the only reason it works. If women thought for a second that the world didn’t revolve around them, you’d just be a guy making remarks about her hair color, not the guy who’s gonna bottom out at the back of her throat an hour from now.

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Jeb May 10, 2011 at 16:35

Greyghost,

Great comment. And you are correct – there is no “cure,” only painful realization. What is amazing is how men have been discovering this over and over throughout history, and then the female medusa shows her serpent hair and frightens society back into ceasing discussion of her so that they resume loving her again. It is an endless cycle.

Monstrous Woman

Now you can see how foolhardy it is to take a wife. What will your response be? What is the point of your studying the matter? Don’t get married, have mistresses. If you are weak by nature, it will be safer for you to have a hundred of them rather than devote yourself to one; treat them as if they were no more important than a straw. And if you are strong, take my advice, don’t plunge yourself in the mire or frequent either one woman or many – I forbid you to have anything to do with them, for in the garden lurks a snake; and no one approaches it without regretting it afterwards.

Now I should like to rest for a while. for whoever sets out to expose the evils of the female sex, finds her poisonous acts too numerous to relate. Nature shows and teaches us that every woman is a real monster and that she is quite happy to put up with her own faults. There is no shortage of proof of this, or demonstration of how monstrous she is. It is said that woman was conceived without nature’s consent. A philosopher testifies to this quite clearly in his works, saying that nature, having embarked on creation, was shocked when she contemplated her mistake and blushed as she became aware of it. Woman is a monstrous hermaphrodite, proving to be a chimaera with horns and a tail bigger than a peacock’s or pheasant’s. Thus she bears the marks of a monster, as this treatise informs you.

And if anyone were to say that women in general are slandered without taking account what each individual woman might do, and that some, who are specially favoured, deserve our respect and praise, I would venture to say that this would be an unnatural thing and that there has never been such a great miracle. For their sex in no way prepares them to be virtuous or to do good, indeed they are predisposed to do the very opposite. — Mathieu of Boulogne, 1295 AD

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Herbal Essence May 10, 2011 at 16:45

SingleDad: “20% of men in their prime are not working:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/opinion/10brooks.html

This is an interesting article, mainly because of who wrote it. David Brooks is a huge mouthpiece for the ruling class and I take this column as a sign that they’re seeing the writing on the wall in regards to disenfranchised men and their precious welfare state.

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 16:54

Here are some texts that illustrate how Buddhist texts portray women as temptresses:

Why can’t women embark in business/court? Buddha said: Women folk are Uncontrolled, envious, greedy, weak in wisdom, Ananda. (Anguttar Nikaya II.81)

Monks, a woman’s heart is obsessed by form, sound, scent, savor and touch of a Man…Womenfolk end their life unsated and unreplete with two things: sexual Intercourse and childbirth. (AN II.2)

Monks, I see no other single form so enticing, so desirable, so intoxicating, so binding, so distracting, such a hindrance to winning the unsurpassed peace from effort, that is to say, monks, as a woman’s form…Whoever clings to a woman’s form-inflated, greedy, fetter, enslave, enthralled-for many a long day shall he grieve, snared by the chains of a woman’s form. (AN II.67)

Monks, if ever one would rightly say: it is wholly a snare of Mara-verily, Speaking rightly, one may say of womanhood: it is wholly a snare of Mara. (AN III.67)

What to do when faced with the snare of woman?
-As if not seeing them, Ananda.
-But if we should see them, what are we to do?
-No talking, Ananda.
-But, if they should talk to us, Lord, what are we to do?
-Keep wide awake, Ananda. (Mahaparinibbanna Sutra D II. 141)

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LoneWolf May 10, 2011 at 17:01

@ greyghost (et al)

[As I use the word "you" here, it doesn't necessarily mean you personally -- rather, men in general]

There isn’t much in life that I’ve truly “figured out”; except the possibility of knowing precisely who I am as a Man, what I believe in and what I’m willing to tolerate from people, women or Men.

Now, I don’t want to give Spearhead subscribers/readers the wrong impression of what I’m talking about – albeit my comments are usually terse and fairly definitive. I just know that the entitlement mentality is exasperatingly common in Western culture, at least. I truly don’t know about the rest of the world. And there seems to be only one way, in my view, to combat it.

Men, no matter how collective a “rights movement” we hope to develop, will never change the feminist belief system innately germinating within the infantile minds of women (passed now more insanely feverish between generations), or within the guilt-riddled manginas who support them. Furthermore, the media absolutely thrives on male-bashing and can’t wait for the next opportunity to cast Men as heinously ignorant buffoons who can’t tie their own shoelaces without the empowered strength of a true goddess to guide them along. Simply put, we are never going to ease this anti-Male assault, even in the slightest, let alone reverse its ill affects on relations between the sexes.

I’ve thought about this for a long time – ever since I can remember being remotely interested in females. I am now 44 years of age and have never been married and have no children of which I’m currently aware. No one infested my mind with anti-female rhetoric. No one influenced me with anti-feminist propaganda. All I needed to do was measure what I saw in women against what I believe in my heart and soul as a Man.

I come from the slobbering, panting, groveling collection of typical hounds in the pound. I used to believe that that’s what it took to get attention from women – you know… go fetch, roll over and play dead in order to receive the slightest scratch behind the ears. Once in a while I’d get a pat on the head and I’d wag my tail and drool because I knew my “master” was satisfied.

That’s when I was 16-19 years of age.

My behavior around that time did not resonate with what I truly believed – and I began to perform a LOT of introspection and self analysis to determine what path I was going to travel: stand for my beliefs as a Man, or sit in the pound with the rest of the hounds; drooling and panting and licking my balls while I wait for another pat on the head.

Since that decision, I have dated and copulated with tons of women from many different regions of the U.S., from many different economic hierarchies, from many different educational backgrounds (one of the most ignorant women I’ve ever met had two masters degrees), and encompassing many different feminine shapes and sizes. I’m not claiming to be an authority on women at all… I’m claiming to know precisely my own personal experience. Based on what I see under sheer common sense deduction – ALL women are fucking worthless pigs.

I often ask myself to what value I personally give women that motivates me to associate with them? What is it about women that brings value and happiness to my life? What happiness do I derive from interacting with women? Answer — ZILCH. Most men don’t ask themselves these questions at all.

Why did we give gold and silver bartering and trade value? Who deemed gold to be valuable in the first place? Why didn’t we choose olives, or snot-rags as our eventual monetary standard? Here’s what I know from a meager human perspective — men bestowed value upon gold and silver. And it is men who bestow value upon women.

Personally, I can’t see any value in women in the least. “But, but but… what about sex, man. I can’t go with out that – I gotta have it, dude….” Yes, and that’s where the pathetic measure of value in women is revealed. If this is what men believe – then this is most certainly the shameless value men have bestowed upon women; and it is the commodity that women will gladly use against men to their demise. If men actually tried put worth in a woman’s companionship (I’m obviously being immensely facetious here), intelligence, humor, etc – then men would see there really is no worth in women at all. The fact of the matter is, I can find better companionship with my dogs. I have never known a woman to be intelligent, or funny. So, what’s the value? That’s right… the almighty vagina….. and you’re being controlled against your own beliefs and convictions with it.

Game? Please… complete nonsense. In my view, since women are nothing but worthless crap… then “game” would be like wasting my precious time trying to understand fecal matter and how it “thinks” so that I can successfully lie to it in order to insert my penis in it without resistance. You’re still dealing with horrifically smelling waste; I don’t care from which ass it was jettisoned.

Oh yes… I’m absolutely saying that the solution is to completely avoid women, treat them precisely in the manner they see us (worthless scum) and become immediately abstinent. Again, in my opinion, this would shift the power and solve ALL issues in an instant… but that’s just not realistic.

So, what is a man to do? Well… it all comes down to value. Stop with the eff-ing drooling and panting over these eff-ing whores already. Show some god-damned self respect. Quit treating these cunts like precious metal, to the point where you’re sitting like Gollum in some dank cave thinking about some chick and reciting, “My precious”, over and over and over again. Stop handing over freebies and perks to these undeserving whores simply because you think that that’s the quickest route to inserting your penis in one of her orifices for 3 minutes. You want to get laid? Fine. Do it on your terms, not hers. You’re the one with the penis – start wielding it. And that means controlled and purposeful copulation — not this ridiculous juvenile need to put another notch in your pathetic fuck belt. Force women to illustrate that they truly bring value into your life BEFORE bestowing value unto them. Stop fixing their houses, cars and LIVES unless you get paid accordingly for your physical work (ask them if they’d expect to pay a general contractor or a mechanic… so why not you?).

There’s just too many things I’d wish men would stop doing altogether – but they won’t. For every whore I reject and send on her way, unfortunately, there are 50 hounds lined up with tails wagging, waiting to go fetch her something. It’s maddening.

I agree – women are worthless.. and that’s precisely how I treat them unless they go completely out of their way to prove otherwise (which never happens).

It’s time to start asking yourselves what you personally value.

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greyghost May 10, 2011 at 19:25

Looks like the group of guys that are aware is getting bigger. I thought I was really different and kind of out there on my own. Jeb I thought I was uinique and you find a guy that said the same thing 700 years ago.
Well I’m a mechanic and maintenance technician type of guy and I think we can fix this. The key is the full understanding of the wicked selfishness of woman. Two things need to happen one we need to get a divorce to occur between women and government. I haven’t thought it out but the government may just dump the burden of women by going broke. We need to really push MGTOW and “game.” The two go hand in hand both are neccesary and involve the same man at different stages in his life. ( Lone Wolf just discribed the actual mechanics of it in his last comment.) Some things to enhance MGTOW (the true purpose is to save men the hassle and to deny access to women of male slaves) are a male birth control pill,and any kind of surrogacy so a man can have his own child without the child being the property and right of a woman. Too many women are having children outside of marriage the marriage rate needs to go down and the single mom by choice rate needs to drop 60 to 70 percent. Nothing needs to be said to women at all. Feminism is going into madness now. The previous article shows that and now even advocates of feminism are starting to see. So the young men will give the feminist brainwashing “Dear woman” and will be rejected and laughed at by women. (maybe even accused of rape) He learns “game” which by default will teach him about women. Over time he will see them as “worthless pigs”. That same man will now be ready for MGTOW. He’ll be about 30 at the time. Now the carousel riding lady will be about the same age looking to get off. A tall dark and handsome man of indifference will be there waiting for her.
Well that is a start. It is going to be hard as hell for me but I’m going to try and write a full article. Believe it or not what really removed all doubt and let me know there is no hope in women ever being any different than what we have today. And also the way they have always been , has been regularly reading roissy Citizen Renegade for the last couple months. It all started with the articles on game. So I started regularly checking it out.

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demirogue May 10, 2011 at 19:38

Did anyone spot the USA Today article on the declining birth rate of white women? Seems that they are the only group consistently losing out and that’s exactly what feminism is mostly proud of.

Stupid women.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/parenting-family/story/0//white-women-more-likely-to-be-childless-census-says/46992416/1

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Bohemian Rockstar May 10, 2011 at 19:39

Lone wolf and grey ghost, you need your own posts, your comments should not just be hidden in this section, haul them up to the front page.

And thanks oddsock. I’ve been a Buddhist for over 20 years, and the fact that he had this to say about women always annoys them. I’m also a Freemason, there’s a reason why it’s men only, you should see what they say about women’s ability to be “enlightened”.

Yep, women think it’s just like that awful movie “eat, pray and live”.

Thanks gentlemen.

Good karma for you.

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demirogue May 10, 2011 at 19:40

More from the USA Today article and the census findings:

“Even more marked differences in childlessness by race and ethnicity are reflected among women who have never married. Among unmarried women by age 44, whites and Asians were much more likely to be childless than blacks or Hispanics. Of unmarried white women, 69.5% were childless; 65.8% of Asian women were childless. Among unmarried Hispanic women, 36.4% were childless; 27.8% of unmarried black women were childless.”

•Women with a college degree are experiencing what the bureau calls a “delayer boom” — they’re having babies at later ages than other women and having fewer children overall.

•More than half (55%) of women who had a child in the past year were in the labor force; 34% worked full time, and 14% were working part time.

•Almost one-quarter (23%) of women who gave birth in the past year reported living in households with family incomes of at least $75,000; 21% of those with a birth in the past year reported living in households with incomes under $20,000, the lowest range.

•By age 44, foreign-born women were more likely to have ever had a baby (87%) than were native-born women (80%).

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Herbal Essence May 10, 2011 at 19:42

Feminism can make grown women into infants. When she cries, they can give her money, shelter, and a group consciousness to join. But when she wants a man to love her, that is something that only men can provide. And slowly but surely, men are losing their love for women.

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Anonymous age 69 May 10, 2011 at 19:43

I married a single mom in 1975. Her daughter to date is the best single thing that ever happened to me in my entire life. Bar none. And, yes, my wife of 35 years well knew I married her to get her daughter.

Lest you think I am supporting marrying single moms, let me finish the story.

In ten years, I counseled an estimated 1,600+ divorced men.

I never once encountered a man who was able to say his step-daughter was anything but the worst thing that ever happened to him. False sex abuse charges, all the goodies you think of with step-daughters.

I bonded with this girl when she was still a small child. Some day I will write what it means to be bonded with a little girl. Most men will never experience it.

So, unless you think you can win the odds of 1,600 or more against bonding with a step-daughter, don’t do it.

If the odds were stepping out of your house were 1,600:1 you’d be shot and killed, well, then you understand what a step-daughter would mean in your life.

DON’T DO IT!!!

I call myself blessed by God. I should have died under a bridge or in prison, instead of living in my little Mexican paradise. I did everything wrong, and prospered. The odds are great you won’t do as well.

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 19:46

Bohemian Rockstar

And thanks oddsock. I’ve been a Buddhist for over 20 years, and the fact that he had this to say about women always annoys them. I’m also a Freemason, there’s a reason why it’s men only, you should see what they say about women’s ability to be “enlightened”.

lol. I know. But I was always taught to be cautious with the word.

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Ecclesiastes May 10, 2011 at 19:56

I was/am the single father of 3. There is NO equivalence between single mothers and single fathers. I am a sworn enemy of single mothers. Their values are antithetical to my own. I hate those values and all acts based upon them.

Single mothers are forgiven anything if they ‘try their hardest’. The non-custodial father owes her support (money) for all she does to raise the children. The children will incessantly hear how hard she has to work for their care, what a burden they are to their mother, how expensive they are because their father never sends enough money.

Single fathers are only tolerated if they DELIVER a first class home for their children. They almost always PAY child support to the mother for the privilege of raising their own children, so that she will just go away. Children hear how light the load they are, how easy it is to have them, how cheap it is to pay their mother for the opportunity to cook their dinner.

Single mothers lure in men to be scapegoats for their parenting problems and faux ogres so those mothers can bond with their children against them.

Single fathers can’t compete with exciting, fun, and utterly worthless alpha studs for women’s attention. They can hardly afford the risk of meeting even the ( proclaimed ) rare unstable bitch who would give the courts the chance to take the children from him.

Yeah, I said alpha men are utterly worthless. Blow me. They are flash and noise, smoke and mirrors. I am a father and they are as nothing. They scurried as cockroaches from my daughters at my my footfall. Every woman who I lost to one deserved everything that happened to her.

I thought to mention all this just in case their were single fathers reading this who were being polite.

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Bohemian Rockstar May 10, 2011 at 20:09

Yep, you know what women say about Buddha’s attitude about them? He was not “culturally aware” and not “in our time”. I don’t think they get enlightenment, and that it’s seeing things as they truly are, their true natures. Very telling. ….

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 20:14

I wonder what the widows son would have said?

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Bohemian Rockstar May 10, 2011 at 20:29

Not much, the door just remains closed and business as usual running the world ….and it’s like grey ghost and lone wolf were saying, they teach loyalty, honor and fidelity, maybe that’s why they can’t join….

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Bohemian Rockstar May 10, 2011 at 20:31

….. Women, that is….

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Michael May 10, 2011 at 20:44

I dated a girl who didn’t tell me she had a kid until the third week. We were hooking up and going places, having fun, etc. I find out she has a kid who has made repeated false abuse accusations against family members.

I ended the relationship immediately and told my attorney what had happened. He warned me: Any woman with a child is an extreme danger. You can lose everything, including your relationship.

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Peter May 10, 2011 at 21:03

Since the late 80s, women, on the other hand, have choices every step of the way. They can terminate their pregnancies, they can leave their husbands with some guarantee of custody and support, and they are very often recipients of welfare (e.g. WIC — Women with Infants and Children).

This is by no means an exhaustive listing of women’s reproductive options. Men have two choices to avoid children: sensation-killing condoms every time you have intercourse, and lifelong sterilization.

In addition to the above options, women can choose any number of hormonal birth control pills, in any number of formulations that make them more or less crazy. If they’re too lazy or stupid to take a daily pill, they can get a once-a-thre-month injection, or a ring, or subdermal implant. Plus the barrier methods like the sponge and diaphragm. All of these methods can be sabotaged, lied about, or neglected, with no consequences for the mother should they result in pregnancy.

Then there are the single moms who were never married to begin with. They have the further choice of never telling the fathers that they were pregnant, having a baby, and dropping it at an old-fashied safe haven like it never existed. They still have those.

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fmz May 10, 2011 at 21:18

Single muvvas.

Do you care?

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@oddsock May 10, 2011 at 20:14 May 10, 2011 at 21:45

“I wonder what the widows son would have said?”

He would say women lack the capacity to meet on the square and part on the level.

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Bohemian Rockstar May 10, 2011 at 23:03

Yes he would.

I love the fraternity and the brotherhood.

I also believe that men would benefit greatly from what we teach.

I would like to do a post on it.

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DevilDog May 10, 2011 at 23:10

I would never date a single-Mother, no sir, never. NEVER.

I don’t even think about it, it’s not even an active decision, it’s just instinctual. I am just naturally repelled by single Mothers. I’ll be talking to a Woman and as soon as she brings up the fact that she has kids, it’s done, any attraction, completely gone.

I’m not some chump who’s going to take care of another Man’s child, some single Mothers say they don’t want a daddy for their kid, but they’re lying through their teeth. ALL single Mothers date to find a beta Male to take care of her kid.

I’ve never dated a single Mother, never banged a single Mother, and never EVER will be in a serious relationship with one.

It’s just instinctual.

Oh and speaking from the outside looking in, I think there’s a huge difference between single Mothers and single Fathers, I know A LOT of Women who’ll get into it with a single Father, but a lot of Men who’ll run at first contact with a single Mother. I think it has something to do with evolution and sh!t, I really don’t know, but I do know there’s a significant difference between the two.

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Lavazza May 11, 2011 at 00:04

I think the discriminating factor is the relation with the ex. Most fathers acknowledge that it is normally beneficial for the children to have good access to both parents, wheras a sizeable part of single mothers want the father cut out of the children’s life. Single mothers who have a good relation with the father should not be a worse bet than single fathers. My sister is remarried to a childless man who was in the same circle of friends. I don’t know exactly why her husband left her, but it seems to be that he wanted to be alone to resolve issues with his father, who had been absent when he was growing up, whic resurfaced when he became a father him self. I also think that his father became sick and that that also caused emotional turmoil. Anyway since she was just in her early thirties, good looking enough, working as a consultant in the STEM field and has a 50/50 arrangements with the ex-husband, she did not seem like a bad bet to him and they really have a successful relation (I have lived with them for up to 12 days when visiting).

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E May 11, 2011 at 00:09

Opus said…
“I mention this as there is one aspect of single-motherness I then noticed and which Welmer has not mentioned, but which might make any man pause before taking on a single mother.

It is this: The male children of single-mums are frequently quite out of control.”

Bring a single mother into your life and you might also bring this into your life. Are there any takers?
*big toothy grin*
fighting over some noodles

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Bohemian Rockstar May 11, 2011 at 00:51

From a voice for men…..

Do Not Get Involved With Single Mothers

A single mother is a woman who in most cases chose to have, or to raise a child without a father. This demonstrates terrible, selfish values. It also shows that she thinks of men as sperm donors and child support payers, NOT husbands & fathers. If you get involved with her, you are the next human cash dispenser, for somebody else’s kid.

In addition, unless she’s mentally unwell, her child will always take priority over you. This is just fine as long as you buy into the idea of men as exploitable utilities and yourself as a disposable appliance. If this is you, stop wasting the bandwidth of this site, moron.

The kid, by the way, has nothing invested in you, but may decide a good path to personal celebrity victimhood is accusing you of molestation. The reward to the child is huge, and the penalty to the child minimal, even in the event of discovery.

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oddsock May 11, 2011 at 01:01

Bohemian Rockstar

“I would like to do a post on it.”

Do you know the story about the forget me not flower ?

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Porky D. May 11, 2011 at 03:16

The only single mother even close to being worth the risk is a widow. Providing of course that she isn’t a self made widow!

Really, just don’t get married. Regardless of who she is, you’ll never know if she’s the kind who will abuse her power over you until she has that power – and then it’s too late.

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greyghost May 11, 2011 at 03:23

Really, just don’t get married. Regardless of who she is, you’ll never know if she’s the kind who will abuse her power over you until she has that power – and then it’s too late.
From Porky D
She will abuse you because it is legally possible. It is always been that way just not legally enforced by the government the way it is now.

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Carnivore May 11, 2011 at 03:27

demirogue May 10, 2011 at 19:38
“Did anyone spot the USA Today article on the declining birth rate of white women? Seems that they are the only group consistently losing out and that’s exactly what feminism is mostly proud of.
Stupid women.”

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but “stupid women” indeed. And how ironic? The ONE thing that women can do that men cannot, they fail at and feminism considers that a victory.

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The Trend May 11, 2011 at 05:02

@ AFOR
“let’s make sure I have this right… you don’t take it up the ass, you can’t give a decent blowjob, and you can only handle it in the cunt once or twice a week….”

you forgot to add

” and for that you want 1/2 of my earnings and assets in perpetuity?”

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Lara May 11, 2011 at 06:04

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Sedulous May 11, 2011 at 06:14

@Anonymous age 69

Is that you Irlandes??

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AfOR May 11, 2011 at 06:18

@ The Trend

No exactly mate, fact is the only thing a wimminz has to offer me is free kinky sex.

My point was, there are enough wimminz out there who will do free kinky sex with no holds barred, that a woman who can only take it up the cunt once a year has NOTHING to offer a man only interested in sex, and only if she is a generous cash multi-millionaire does she have anything to offer a man interested in more than sex… yeah babe, I’ll fly to Bali for a month with you on your ticket… if you pay for my partying too… a deal that no wimminz will offer anyway.

So in effect my point was this particular wimminz is at the bottom end of the market anyway, single mum, 39, kids, no money, fucked hips, and not content with that she seeks to LOWER her value still further by being crap at blowjobs, not into blowjobs, not into anal, and only taking it up the cunt once a week.

DIY trepanning with a road drill is more interesting and attractive.

But, like all wimminz, she doesn’t get it.

She cannot ALLOW herself to get it, because with the realisation would come a required action to address her non status as a human being.

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anonymous May 11, 2011 at 06:19

“Aside from the small number of widows and women whose husbands ran off on their families, single women with children made the conscious choice to put themselves in that situation.” “These circumstances exert strong pressure on men, forcing them to stick by their families through thick and thin.”

There is a demographic group of men in the USA for which this is not the case. Overwhelmingly not the case. Can’t talk about it in polite company not the case.

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Rod May 11, 2011 at 06:49

An off-topic post, but here is a joke that has been circulating. I think you might like it:

On the first day after his divorce was finalized, a man sadly packed his belongings into boxes, crates and suitcases.

On the second day, he had the movers come and collect his things.

On the third day, he sat down for the last time at his soon to be old dining room table. He cooked himself a small going away feast and dined on a pound of shrimp, a jar of caviar and a bottle of beer.

When he’d finished, he went into each and every room and deposited a few half-eaten shrimps dipped in caviar into the hollow center of all the curtain rods.

He then cleaned up the kitchen and left.

On the fourth day his now ex-wife took possession of the house and moved in with her new boyfriend. At first all was bliss.

Then, slowly, the house began to smell. They tried everything; cleaning, mopping, and airing-out the place. Vents were checked for dead rodents and carpets were steam cleaned. Air fresheners were hung everywhere. Exterminators were brought in to set off gas canisters, during which time the two had to move out for a few days. In the end they even paid to replace the expensive wool carpeting. Nothing worked!

People stopped coming over to visit.

Repairmen refused to work in the house.

The maid quit.

Finally, they couldn’t take the stench any longer and decided they had to move. But a month later, even though they’d cut their price in half, they couldn’t find a buyer for such a stinky house.

Word got out and eventually even the local realtors refused to return their calls. Finally, unable to wait any longer for a purchaser, they had to borrow a huge sum of money from the bank to purchase a new home.

Then the ex-husband called the woman and asked how things were going. She told him the saga of the rotting house.

He listened politely and told her that he sort of missed the old house and that if she would be willing to eliminate his alimony payments we would consider buying the house back from her.

Knowing he could have no idea how bad the smell really was,

she agreed on a price that was only 1/10th of what the house had been worth…but only if he would sign the papers that very day.

He agreed and within two hours her lawyers had the completed paperwork.

A week later the woman and her boyfriend stood smiling as they watched the moving company pack everything to take to their new home. To spite her ex-husband, they took everything in the house…even the curtain rods!

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oddsock May 11, 2011 at 07:11

Sedulous

@Anonymous age 69

Is that you Irlandes??

@Sedulous

How many half Micks living in Mexico that counselled 1600 divorced men do you know ? lol

So now we have two of the grumpy old goat trio on Spearhead. I bet the third one is lurking somewhere in these posts ?

Sedulous! Are you the third of the grumpy old goat trio ?

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djc May 11, 2011 at 07:18

Lone Wolf nailed it. I’m done with them too.

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Dehbashi May 11, 2011 at 08:02

“demirogue May 10, 2011 at 19:38
Did anyone spot the USA Today article on the declining birth rate of white women? Seems that they are the only group consistently losing out and that’s exactly what feminism is mostly proud of.

Stupid women.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/parenting-family/story/0//white-women-more-likely-to-be-childless-census-says/46992416/1

The sad part is that the white women who are childless are bragging about it showing how selfish they are. One talking about letting her siblings do the “dirty” work of childbearing, some talking about careers and themselves are so much more important than having some kids. They talk about their own happiness as if kids will only make you miserable. Some make it sound that trying to be Captain Planet is so much more important than children.

I shouldn’t be surprised. I remember reading an article about a woman blaming the human race and overpopulation on global warming, climate change, global climate disruption, or whatever it was called at the time (I can’t say that without snickering). So her response was not to have kids to do her part to stop global warming. So she went to the doctor to get herself sterilized to prevent herself from getting pregnant. But as we know with global warming hypocrites such as Al Gore and Harrison Ford, she was bragging about how she took jets all over the place a few times a year for vacation. So we all know it was for her own selfish desire. So yeah, if anyone doesn’t want to have children, most of the time it’s because according them, everything should be about me, me, me, me. Pathetic really.

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BeijaFlor May 11, 2011 at 08:09

I can say from personal experience that there is at least ONE son of a single mother who grew up okay … never got in trouble with the law, never spent a minute in jail, got a decent job, lived within his means, and took care of his by-then-elderly mom until she passed on.

But enough about me. I’m a wildly aberrant exception.

I have never dated single moms. In fact, the only single mothers I’ve bedded were prostitutes, who I paid at the going rate.

I would trust a single mom, especially in these days, about as far as I could throw a fit.

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Sedulous May 11, 2011 at 08:13

“Sedulous! Are you the third of the grumpy old goat trio ?”

No, I’m pretty new to these waters.

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TomJW May 11, 2011 at 09:21

OT

Here’s an interesting article on women’s judgement:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-bytes/201105/why-do-you-trust-him

Too bad I couldn’t find a comment section and just tell them women are stupid.

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TomJW May 11, 2011 at 09:24

oddsock May 10, 2011 at 15:54

Can I borrow your batman costume?

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SingleDad May 11, 2011 at 09:54

@ Ecclesiastes

I agree. So called “Alphas” are nothing more than dressed up irresponsible women in men’s clothing. Nothing dominant or even substantial about them.

Of course, I think that women are projecting again. Women today don’t want a dominant male. Women today are trained to only hear submissive pussy men. The want a faux dominent male, that’s what I see when I see “Alpha’s”. They look, act and dress the part, but, as you put it, run from the “footfall” of a man in control of his life and family.

Also, I very much agree that single women today are the opposite of what you want around your children. And I will add they are all like that.

And yes, having a relationship with women today for any man raising children would be giving society the right to take your children. A western women is the equivolent to a loaded gun left lying on the table. They are very unstable, dangerous and you never know when they will go off.

I have learned this by experience. Men raising children today are in uncharted waters. Best to stay safe. Avoid a relationship, marriage or co-habitation with todays women. And if you love children, don’t allow an single Ameriskank mom into your life.

This is in the best interest of the children and men.

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Dehbashi May 11, 2011 at 10:05

TomJW May 11, 2011 at 09:21

It was at the bottom. It wasn’t easily noticable.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-bytes/201105/why-do-you-trust-him/comments

Also, some of th0se samples questions and answers to test the men are terrible.

“I liked school.” (true)

What if the reason you didn’t like school was because it was hyprocritical and a feminazi craphole. It’s one of the reasons why less males are going to college for example.

“I can honestly say that I do not really mind paying taxes because I feel that’s one of the things I can do for what I get from the community.” (true)

What happens if all the money goes to those welfare leeches, who never worked or pay taxes in their life, and you, the hardworking man, gets jack?

“When I get bored, I like to stir up some excitement.” (false)

That is so vague. If you are breaking the law, then yes, that’s a problem. But if you are on a date and trying to keep it interesting, then that’s no problem.

But their general premise works. Why in the hell are they putting their trust with someone who shouldn’t be trusted? As we all know, trustworthiness, which is simple and not exciting, doesn’t make a woman’s vagina tingle.

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oddsock May 11, 2011 at 10:55

TomJW

oddsock May 10, 2011 at 15:54

Can I borrow your batman costume?

Of course you can mate. It has a few ,,, er,,, stains on it mind.

Are you the missing grumpy old goat ?

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 11:03

SingleDad May 10, 2011 at 16:26
Yes SD. Men are figuring out that they can get by on MUCH LESS work nowadays. I do.

Just look at the Ukraine and Russia to see how much less work men can get by on. My fav#1 told me one of her friends had to go to work with her husband because if she didn’t he would skive off to get drunk with his mates!!

THAT is coming to the west.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 11:04

It is quite amazing how ‘welfare for women’ started out as the ‘thin edge of the wedge’. In those days (early 1980s) to be a single mother on welfare was to be VERY poor. You got a pretty crappy council house and barely enough to live on. No woman with kids left a husband unless he was REALLY bad. Us men all felt pretty sorry for women who married the ‘bad men’ and we quite readily agreed that women should be given a way out of a violent marriage. They did exist and in the age of no divorce options for women some women did get beaten up. An aunty of mine being one of them.

So the whole ‘divorce + welfare’ thing was sold to us as ‘there is a need to protect women and children from physically violent men’. Not many men are going to object to that sales pitch because it was well known to be true. This is also how it was sold that the kids had to go with the mother. The ONLY reason a woman would leave a husband was that he was beating her and the kids. This was taken as ‘gospel truth’. A woman with kids had almost NO CHANCE of ever remarrying in those days. Women who were widowed with kids almost NEVER managed to marry as no man was willing to pay for some other mans kids. A man who would take on a woman with kids was actually praised as ‘heroic and courageous’. I know because I was told that many times in my life. I had no end of women tell me what a great thing I had done rescuing Jennifer from her situation. Funny how those same women hated on me in divorce.

Since that time the welfare offered to women has become completely ludicrous as per the newspaper article I linked yesterday. All being ‘paid’ for by mens taxes. Far from being ‘victims of violent men’ divorced women are welfare princesses now. They have certainly thrown any claim to ‘victim’ status. The victims are the men in the overwhelming majority and the women know it. That’s why they hate on men like me so much in divorce. They want to shut men like me up. Well? That’s not going to happen.

The simple remedy is for men to simply refuse to participate. Stop paying taxes to subsidise these women who make a lifestyle choice of being a single mother on welfare. Simple as.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 11:25

A bit OT but interesting.
A prospective contract came up yesterday and I was talking with the agent for this work today. She had a Russian first name but an English last name. So when she called I asked where she was from. Turns out she is Russian and married an English guy.

It was a business call but I told her “I never met a Russian woman I didn’t like” and we joked a bit. Even though it was a business call she chose to be friendly and ask a bit about my background because the contract involves a lot of travel. She wanted to know if I was married with kids because of my age and was I free to do the travel schedule of the job. (By the way the same question asked of a woman applying for a job is illegal in Europe.)

I told her I was divorced etc and so she asked a little about that. I told her how I was kicked out of the country, my company destroyed etc and how my ex was given citizenship while I am still refused. She was shocked. So then I told her the 5% vs 95% bit and told her my children were kidnapped and relocated and how a Russian woman had supported me in those difficult times. Which is why I like Russian women so much. She was even more shocked. She told me she had not aware it was as bad as that. She was genuinely sorry for my treatment and told me that it was extremely wrong.

I told her there was a good reason English men were marrying Russian women more now. It’s because our western women really hate us and abuse us in the courts stealing our kids and our houses. She as very genuine in her concern for me.

I dated three western women after separation. Two with no children and one with a child. They were all thoroughly brainwashed with the ‘entitlement’ syndrome. I do not believe it is worth talking to a woman who did not grow up under communism. I have not had a ‘friendly’ conversation like the one I had today with a western women since November 2007. Not one. If I say to a western woman my children were kidnapped and my ex given 95% of the money they say I must have ‘deserved’ it. Gee. Thanks. There are so few ‘good women’ in the west that it is not worth even looking for them. There are plenty of spares in Russia.

Just look at the hatred displayed by women towards me on this thread below. These are comments made by women on a web site dedicated to gaining justice for a little boy murdered by ‘child protection services’. And this is how they talk to a man who was criminally abused. And I was even removed from the site by these ‘angry women’.

If any man tries to tell you that there are ‘good women’ out there that you should ‘try to find’? Tell him he is a complete idiot and give him this thread.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/109/threadid/350/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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confused May 11, 2011 at 12:05

With regard to the general statements regarding western female entitlement mentality…i’m interested to know if anyone has ever heard of ANY woman not accepting child support or paying back the child support to the ex husband.

I would think if NAWALT was true there would be significant anecdotal evidence of it. I’ve personally never heard of such an occurrence.

This indicates to me that they truly believe, no matter what the circumstances, that the man owes them money for having married them.

I even saw a woman in court request $1600/month from the ex husband who earned 40K/yr less than she did. this when he had ~40% custody time. the immoral judge gave her $1000/month.

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Rumour May 11, 2011 at 12:12

@ greyghost
“What I found out really got me down and angry. There is no ‘good woman’ … It took me a while but fairly recently I have fully realised women are no good today, woman have always been no good. ”

The essential character and behavior of women has never changed, but their sphere of influence has.

Two quotes from the Aeneid (20BC):

“Woman is ever a fickle and changing thing.”

“… the knowledge of what woman can do in madness …”

Patriarchy works!

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SingleDad May 11, 2011 at 12:13

@ Peter

I will be joining my brothers off the grid in a few years. If you have any ancedotal stories of how it works in Russia, other than the constant anti-male, “they drink alot” stuff, I would love to hear about truley equal relationships.

Ones where cupcake works while Boris stays at home this time.

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mike May 11, 2011 at 12:35

First time comment:

I was a single father for many years. My wife died leaving me with full time care of four children, the youngest was 3. Let me tell you that no single woman, with or without kids has any interest in a single dad that is actually raising children.

I was on a date one time with a single mother (divorced 3 kids under 15). She was African (from Burkina Faso) who had been married to a white US diplomat she met in her home country. She was proud to be showing her ex that she could do without him (red flag 1). She was thin and extremely good looking. We had met at a dance place that I had gone to with my sister (red flag 2). Her (white) girlfriend tried to cock block (red flag 3). We had a nice dinner at a place that does Latin music. I dance Latin dances so we were having a good time. We got a little frisky in the booth. She groped my crotch while we necked. All things looked good to go.

While driving her home she asked about my kids. She knew I had some. Specifically she asked how often I had them. This is when I let her know that I was not divorced, but a widower, and that I had my kids 24/7. I got a hand shake upon dropping her off and never got a response to a call to her again.

This was typical. This was repeated so often that I learned not to say anything about my kids until after closing the deal. Then it was a sure and easy way to break up; just drop the bomb that I actually had kids, not just periodic visitors from their mother’s house. Even single moms have no interest in a man that is actually raising children. She wants only a man that will be 100% invested in her and her children. Many men I know are, or were, raising some other man’s children as part of the single mom they were living with or married to. In almost every case the men were very emotionally attached to the kids. I have never seen a woman get emotionally attached to another woman’s kids, period.

There is a huge double standard. No surprise to this audience. But this should be one of those truths about women that are just not true: women love children. They don’t. They love their own children because they look on them as extensions of their own body. Children of other women could go to hell for all any woman cares.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 13:02

OT….another lawyer makes my mangina hall of fame…here is his facebook page and his comment for men who are criminally abused is ‘get over it’. Feel free to tell him what you think of him.

http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/mid/1087/threadid/751/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 13:13

SingleDad May 11, 2011 at 12:13
My fav#1 is a good example. Her brother is 32. She is always on about how he has NEVER had a job. She actually sends money home for HIM too.

In the Ukraine/Russia if the woman wants her husband to stay and raise the child she generally has to work for him as well. MANY men simply refuse to work. It’s not a majority but it is a lot. She tells me MANY of her friends WANT the man to stay and help raise the boys especially but the men are no longer interested. Many were raised by single mothers in the first place. The men have to be given state apartments because otherwise they will just kill people and squat in their houses. What are the cops going to do?

She tells me, and many others have said the same, that if you want a man in the house then you know you have to take real good care of him as in cook, clean, and sex three times a week minimum. If he doesn’t get what he wants he will leave and there will be no alimony or child support. And if the woman kicks up a fuss about him leaving then she will be beaten and not infrequently killed if she really makes a fuss.

Quite simply? The police will not interfere because they know it is WAY too dangerous to do so. The story that I get from all over eastern europe is that if a husband hits his wife and she complains about it she will be told not to aggravate him so much. PLENTY of women have told me that the police simply will not attend a domestic dispute. Not their problem. And it isn’t either. Domestics should NEVER have become police matters.

There is a ‘legend’ that one of only TWO sexual harassment cases brought since the fall of communism ended in a pregnancy. The judge threw it out of court because ‘russia needs the babies’. I’m not real sure I believe it but it is very funny.

Women report that they have to have sex at a job interview 30% of the time to be considered for a job.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 13:19

confused May 11, 2011 at 12:05
I would think if NAWALT was true there would be significant anecdotal evidence of it

NAWALT is TRUE. Trust me.

And she is living in a monastery in Tibet! ;-)

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mike May 11, 2011 at 13:45

The metaphor I liked was:

Yes, NAWALT. But the ones that are not like that are the three tootsie rolls in a pile of dog turds. It is very hard to tell the difference from any distance, and looking close means pawing through a lot of shyte.

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SingleDad May 11, 2011 at 14:50

Very interesting, thanks Peter. So it seems that one of the likely outcomes of this will be women working and men being paid to pay any attention to them.

For me, I have the means so no amount of female income would make having a relationship with them worth it.

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TomJW May 11, 2011 at 15:05

oddsock May 11, 2011 at 10:55

I guess shipping to USA would not make it worthwhile. I’ll find something locally.

Actually, after dropping my girlfriend this past January I seemed to have developed an allergy to psychotics.

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Avenger May 11, 2011 at 15:45

@ Nolan- some of those things you wrote are not really correct. There is child support in Russia (1/3 of the man’s income) but if the guy has no job then she gets nothing and besides it’s hard to enforce just as it was in the UK and US years ago.. It’s also a myth (probably spread by feminists) that Rusian men beat their wives and are drunks. And btw, although Russian girls drink I have never once seen a girl drunk.

Women report that they have to have sex at a job interview 30% of the time to be considered for a job

I don’t know if that’s true but it should be 100%. After all, you have to be sure the girl is qualified :)

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Avenger May 11, 2011 at 17:33

mike wrote, ‘They love their own children because they look on them as extensions of their own body. Children of other women could go to hell for all any woman cares’

Females are just baby making machines. They are attached to their kids because during and after pregnancy they undergo chemical changes in the brain that makes them attached to this thing that just came out of them. They breast feed it because that is what they are programmed to do by Nature and to get some relief for their milk engorged tits. If a farmer doesn’t milk the cows at 5am they get pretty uncomfortable.
The 10% solution where the male pop. is only 10% would be the best thing to happen. The females would not be competing with the men but cutting each other’s throats to get a man to pay some attention to them. And since they’d be 90% of the work force they would not be voting for anything to benefit another female or her kids since they’d have to pay for it. Females only like free stuff when a man is paying. They still wouldn’t vote a female into the highest positions because they don’t trust other females and can’t stand to have another female above them in status. The men would do most of the real thinking jobs and the females would do the mindless no responsibility drone work which is what they like anyway. At present we have the opposite situation that I’m sure is not natural. There’s a shortage of females if you disregard the useless (to men) ones over a certain age.

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imnobody May 11, 2011 at 19:09

“Very interesting, thanks Peter. So it seems that one of the likely outcomes of this will be women working and men being paid to pay any attention to them.”

Any matriarchy is a primitive society where women work and men slack (or go to war). The patriarchy of the last ten thousand years managed to make men work by attaching them to their children. The effort of millions of men working for their children created civilization.

The last 100 years distroyed the patriarchal family, making the mother the owner of her kids. This has been aggravated by divorce, child support. The outcome: men lose their incentive to work, women have to pick up the slack and the society returns to the primitive matriarchy. Or, as a friend of mine put it, “the day will come when women will bring the house and we will be paid only to be their lovers” (in some countries of Latin America, this situation is popular).

See some examples of primitive matriarchies in this paper (translated from Spanish, please excuse me for the bad translation).

http://findesemana.libertaddigital.com/la-division-sexual-del-trabajo-1276238966.html

“”
There were many societies where men did not lift a finger. For example, the Papuans of New Guinea spent several years making three wigs. The iatmul spent their time cutting the heads of their enemies and preparing complex theater plays. The Mundugumor were devoted to the noble task of warfare, the same as the Comanche, who lived in an eternal competition to show their bravery. The men in the Meru region in central Kenya, “spent their time chewing miráa, a hallucinogenic weed”. All these activities provided great prestige to the men. And the women? Well … winning the bread like crazy.

The men of the Dani village in the Grand Valley (who didn’t establish contact with the outside world until 1938), watched closely how women worked hard to cultivate potato fields. Meanwhile, the men killed the boredom chatting, warring and, above all, giving pumpkins the characteristic elongated shape that covers their penises. If this is not slacking, I’ll eat my hat.

A Chippewa chief manifested in 1930:

Women have been created to work. One woman can carry as much cargo as two men. In addition, they pick up our tents, they make and mend our clothes and they keep us warm at night (…) We couldn’t travel at all without them. They do everything and they don’t cost a lot because, although they must always cook, they are satisfied in times of scarcity with just licking their fingers.

“”

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 12, 2011 at 00:32

Avenger May 11, 2011 at 15:45
@ Nolan- some of those things you wrote are not really correct. There is child support in Russia (1/3 of the man’s income) but if the guy has no job then she gets nothing and besides it’s hard to enforce just as it was in the UK and US years ago.. It’s also a myth (probably spread by feminists) that Rusian men beat their wives and are drunks. And btw, although Russian girls drink I have never once seen a girl drunk.

I didn’t say there wasn’t child support legislation in place in Russia. I said if the women wants to keep the man in the house to help raise the child then she will be good to him. I am also told that women do not make a fuss in divorce because it’s a very dangerous thing to do.

I never said Russian men beat their wives in any large number. I said that it has been reported to me by MANY women that if the husband hits his wife and she calls the police she will be told to stop aggravating him. Please read what I write and don’t make up fantasies. That is a very womanly thing to do.

I have seen EEW women drunk PLENTY of times. Very, very occasionally one will get a little belligerent as well…but NOTHING on the scale of western women who can be very horrible and belligerent while totally sober. EEW are much better than WW but they are still just people. My fav#4 said something ‘narky’ to me one day and I did the alpha bit and came down pretty hard on her. Her comment was “remember, I am just a normal women, some days I will be nasty to you. You can’t expect otherwise.” I thought that was a very honest comment to make. ‘Nasty’ by her standards was simply making comment. Not lying, hitting or stealing.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 12, 2011 at 00:53

SingleDad May 11, 2011 at 14:50
“Very interesting, thanks Peter. So it seems that one of the likely outcomes of this will be women working and men being paid to pay any attention to them.”

SD. This is what is happening in quite some large numbers across EE/Russia. This has been dealt with here on spearhead before. You may have missed it. I made quite a few comments on this. Link below.

What seems to be happening at the lower end of the social scale is that the men simply refuse to work and they drink a fair bit. Of course there are no hard and fast ‘rules’. We are talking about 300M people or so.

Men know that the woman can walk out with their child at any time so they are not attached to their children much at all. VAST numbers of men did not have a father around so they see that there is no point in fatherhood. My fav#1 tells me it is VERY common for men (and women) to be drunks by 20 in the Ukraine. She told me her ‘boyfriend’ before she married was drinking vodka at lunch at work when he was 17. I asked her why she could possibly be surprised he was a ‘drunk’ by 20. She was another one who got ‘accidentally pregnant’ to get away from a domineering mother. But by marrying a man who would not work and not pay for HER and HER baby she was forced back into the relationship with the ‘domineering mother’. She came to Germany for work because prospects are so bad in the Ukraine.

She scrimped and saved for years to send her son to University. What did he do? He refused to go. Why would he want to go to university? There’s no point. He has never had a father around. He will have seen the devastation of the men and the learned helplessness. He threw away his mothers EUR4,000 university fees for the year. A FORTUNE for her. My guess is that would have represented a whole YEARS worth of savings to her.

She was apoplectic about this and was asking me ‘how do I make my son want to go to university’. The answer is obvious. You can’t. It’s already too late. That he felt it was ok to lie to his mother and waste her very hard earned money? That’s a pretty clear statement by the lad.

This is what it’s going to be like in the west soon enough.

Are you starting to see why it is so easy for men here to find an EEW? The devastation in the relationship game in Russia is massive according to the women.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/10/13/latvia-land-of-single-mothers-and-suicidal-men/

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 12, 2011 at 01:07

SD.
PS. Despite my fav#1 having had one ‘bad marriage’ and being a single mother and getting her son to 18 only to have him refuse to go to uni? And having worked her pretty little fingers to the bone these last 18 years? She STILL wants more babies. The desire of women to have babies in the mid thirties is unbelievably strong. You can hear the ticking clean across the room. Because I make so much money all she had to do was agree to no babies and she could have lived free for the rest of her life. I wouldn’t even notice the cost of keeping her.

Women want babies. Really, really, really desperately by the time they are nearing 40. You can’t blame them for that. We are seeing more and more of these stories of women regretting never having had children. We were at a big party recently just as friends. She wistfully looked around the room at all the single men and said “Look at all these men. I could get a baby from any one of them.” And I noted “Yes, you can, but you won’t find a single one of them is willing to pay for that baby for the next 19 years.”

Her face fell and she was very moody the rest of the night. She knows she is looking for a man-slave in competition with the women and she knows that there are fewer and fewer men willing to buy that deal because it sucks. I’ve seen the future of the USSA/USSK.

It’s the present in Ukraine.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 12, 2011 at 01:18

imnobody May 11, 2011 at 19:09

Correct….when you don’t find a mechanism to make men work? They stop.

I’ve been ‘slacking’ for three years now. Before my divorce I had to work REALLY hard. Now? I can pay for myself on 300 hours work a year. Anything over 300 hours is ‘cream’. That’s two months. The only reason I am getting down on cash now is that I spent so much on lawyers etc and have been donating so much money to needy men and donating money to help re-establish the rule of law in Australia.

But since those men who would BENEFIT from my efforts don’t seem to even want to pitch in their time let alone money. I am back to work now and they will need to pay me for my services. Hence I even bothered to respond to a job opportunity this week. We had a deal with a telco that we were very confident we would win. But we lost that one. So it’s time to go and get the next deal. We already put two more into the hopper in the last 4 weeks. Our usual deal size gives me 6 months work plus software. This is enough money for me to live for THREE YEARS.

Yep. I have been slacking. And I need to stop! LOL!! And since men really don’t seem to want their freedom, as pointed out to me in December 2009, there’s not a lot of point spending my time on them rather than writing new software.

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oddsock May 12, 2011 at 06:21

TomJW

oddsock
I guess shipping to USA would not make it worthwhile. I’ll find something locally.

Actually, after dropping my girlfriend this past January I seemed to have developed an allergy to psychotics.

Don’t worry mate. NAISALT but the Orange ones can be a little psycho.

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mike May 12, 2011 at 08:32

Lara,
You do not understand, or are unwilling to acknowledge, your own genders issues. You replied to me with:

“The fact that you are a widower will work in your favor. A woman might feel sorry for your kids and bond with them easier because of that.”

and,

“I would prefer a man who had full custody of his kids even if it gave us less time alone together just because there would be no bitchy ex wife to contend with.”

I got many comments from women about how courageous I was to raise my kids. My feeling at that time was, “What are you smoking?”. This is what all parents have always done since the start of time. There is nothing courageous about it. What was I going to do; leave them to die in the street?

However courageous those American women thought I was, none were interested in any romantic attachments to a man that would not put them first. But they all demanded that any man they associated with accept that their kids would always come first. Double standard.

I will say that having the children after my loss was a huge factor in my getting through it. This is why women recover emotionally from a divorce in half the time it takes a man to do the same; because she has her kids around her. I came to recognize that no matter how I missed my deceased wife, I was glad that I now lived a life where my children were mine, and no one could take them from me on a whim. Married men all know that this is not the case for them. It may be buried deep, but it is always in thir mind, especially when the bit…wife reminds them that she can divorce him and take everything he has including his kids.

My youngest is now 17. His 19 year old brother is moving away to college next month. I have one more year with a teenager in the house full time. When he leaves it will be the first time in about 20 years I have not had a teenager in the house. But I won’t be an empty nester. My much younger than me Asian wife wants a baby of her own (she is hitting the biological clock limit hard). My deceased wife was 9 years younger than me, and should have outlived me by 20 years, so you never know. Tomorrow is given to no man (or woman).

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imnobody May 12, 2011 at 09:46

“This is why women recover emotionally from a divorce in half the time it takes a man to do the same; because she has her kids around her”

Nope. They recover quicker even if they have no kids. They don’t love us as much as we love them. And they are creatures of the present. As long as they have a replacement, you are history and she won’t devote a thought about you anymore.

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silent May 12, 2011 at 11:15

SingleDad,

Just nit-picking here:

“A western women is the equivolent to a loaded gun left lying on the table. They are very unstable, dangerous and you never know when they will go off”

I’ve had a cocked and locked 1911 on my table for a few months, and it’s quite stable. Still dangerous, but it is not going to fire until it’s out of its holster, the safety is disengaged, and someone pulls the trigger.

I still understand what you’re trying to say though :)

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Timothy May 12, 2011 at 17:33

Even if you find a woman who is a single mother by circumstances beyond her control, why would you settle for her when there are younger women with less baggage (kids)? I will admit it must suck to be a widow with small kids, but women don’t care if life decides to screw you over.

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mike May 13, 2011 at 14:08

I have to agree. The main point of imnobody and Timothy is that women just do not care. I would add, and never have.

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Dj May 14, 2011 at 11:00

I would like to add my own predicament to support some of the sentiment on this thread. My daughter just turned 1 at the beginning of the month. Her mother got pregnant and I was out the door, not of my choice, but she turned so crazy that I couldn’t take it anymore. She still refuses to acknowledge me as the father, and when my daughter was only 6 or 7 months old, her mother had already found a mangina and moved in with him.

I took legal steps and got access 3 days a week. The only reason I got access and avoided court was because she lied to the welfare authorities. and told them she didn’t know who the father was, or that I fled the coop. She was also living common law with the mangina who made good money. So basically, she either had to admit to the authorities that she lied, and was living with a fella who had a full time job or allow me access. I never married her, never lived with her and I don’t even pay child support. She also lost custody of her previous child so it’s in her best interest to avoid a second go around in the family courts. I’m reasonably certain that she is engaged to the mangina too.

This is how women operate in the western world.

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Babydaddy72 May 19, 2011 at 19:50

Hi. First post here.
To Andrea, generalizations are sometimes not a good thing, but there is no other way to pinpoint trends or resolve social ills without generalizations. I work with a few women who have divorced and either remained single or remarried, and those women have told similar stories about working an equitable divorce out with their ex spouse, as well as telling the bad guy/cheater story. Of course that is the outlier exception, but what purpose does it serve to point out such rarities? This is not unlike saying, “9 out of 10 cars built by manufacturer X will have transmission trouble within a year, but they get lucky 1/10 times, so don’t grossly generalize!” Simple truth is that our government has created a family crisis and men are left shat upon by family courts. I’m an outlier in my second divorce, in that I got custody (domicilliary) of my toddler son. Only because she is an addict, and that took $15,000 to “prove”…even though proof enough was there in her medical records that were subpoenaed, the judge AND BOTH lawyers danced around for a year to give her every opportunity. She literally had to defy court order and remove a monitoring bracelet for me to get custody, AND EVEN THEN it was only because she gave up the fight. I personally have sworn off marriage. Never ever again. And I will say that having a child to love and keep you company is a great motivator, it removes all insecurities. It’s easy to go bonkers sitting at home alone with no family and a strained budget because of child support. With the kid there, even with the worries and struggles, there is motivation. I think the courts traditionally award mothers custody NOT because they are more fit, it’s because they are less emotionally fit to handle being alone with no children. Women are already stark raving mad, consider a bunch of childless mothers walking the streets!!

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George May 25, 2011 at 19:38

I’ve only known one sane single mother. She’s not single by choice, her ex is an alcoholic and she knew her son deserved better. That is one of the most well behaved/well mannered 6 year old kids you’d ever meet! Now I do agree that most single moms are absolute whack jobs and you better watch your ass, but I have seen proof that there are (though few and FAR between) non-crazies out there… somewhere.

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Melissa May 28, 2011 at 14:55

George May 25, 2011 at 19:38
I’ve only known one sane single mother. She’s not single by choice, her ex is an alcoholic and she knew her son deserved better. That is one of the most well behaved/well mannered 6 year old kids you’d ever meet! Now I do agree that most single moms are absolute whack jobs and you better watch your ass, but I have seen proof that there are (though few and FAR between) non-crazies out there… somewhere.

- Seriously?- MOST single Mothers didn’t get pregnant just so they could leave their other half and do it alone and why would they? With this kind of mentality to face in the outside world! No wonder so many women hold onto abusive and unfaithful men, if this is what is left after a break up it doesn’t look promising. I was a single Mother and like most people (i.e. ALL of you men on this thread) I had issues with trust etc because I had been burnt. I didn’t set out to be a single Mother, just so happens the guy I was with was nothing more than an abusive druggie jerk. I met my current partner as a single mother and he is freakin awesome! I thank my lucky stars we found each other cause god forbid I happened to come across any man that thinks like any one of you! And you call women crazy! Maybe you need to go over your posts just so you realise how scorned, selfish and pathetic you all sound. And generalisations like that don’t do ANY good, its a cop out because your past relationships didn’t work out and now you need someone to blame.

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Melissa May 28, 2011 at 14:57

Oh and nothing I write gets posted, GUTLESS MEN TOO! surprise surprise!

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Melissa June 18, 2011 at 11:38

u need to choose better baby fathers….Bad choices – women -up ………………………The Boyfriend is a sucker.

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newb July 11, 2011 at 16:21

lots of terrible things said about women here…

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PROUD SINGLE MOTHER August 28, 2011 at 23:46

Not only is this post antifeminist to the core, it shows disrespect to the self-esteem of many single mothers out there. To say that single fathers are more accepting at everything and overall better then single mothers, is utterly ridiculous. I grew up in a household where I was raised solely by my mother. Now, I’m having a baby with a deadbeat dad that does not seem to know the difference between his head and his arse. Its not always the women’s fault when a relationship just so happen to not work out, nor should it shun a woman for not choosing to abort. We have that option, yes, but maybe you should’ve chopped your balls off before committing to a sexual relationship. Who would want to be with a single mom?? Who the hell would want to be with any baggage? Get off your sexist judgements.

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single mom to 2 not because I planned it October 17, 2011 at 10:57

Wow! I know there are a lot of bad women out there, why bash all single mothers. I can understand not wanting to deal with her baggage from before. Believe me I wouldn’t want anyone to have to deal with the 13 year old she-devil I am raising. I had my head busted open by her father before we knew I was pregnant. Yes, maybe me becoming emotional after finding out he was cheating on me with my so called friend and that she had drugged me for their own fun, oh lets not forget the hormones that I was clueless about at the time caused the crazy bitch syndrome. I became a single mom by circumstance, not choice. Move on 12 1/2years and dating for the first time( had sexual relationships none ending in a child) BUT DATING. Found guy he had an ex & two girls one my daughters age and bam I become pregnant. WE had choices to make and a time frame to make them in. He and I had the choice to obort, adoption and take care of the child ourselves. REMEMBER HE HAD A SAY! Well needless to say 3 months in- times up on the first option(laws in state don’t allow after certain time). My daughter and family knew WE were going to be parents and live together(this was his idea) and HE decides he doesn’t want the child after talking to ( insert who ever here) Fine I told him I will deal with it no more option to give child away. Raised first one on my own, no support from her dad and I will deal. Throughout the pregnancy he flip flops from seeing a lady older than us and me- I deal. MOVE forward to the birth( by the way I gave him the sex in all way shapes and forms, I gave him my devotion, I did all the right things you men are bitching that women no longer do) he was there and the second day when I am going down for surgery due to complications he calls to ask if the other women could come and see our baby. BAM!!!!!!!!!!!! I gave the man a ear full. Time and place for everything and that was not the time. Go forward to the child being 5 months old- we are friendly and sometimes friendly——— DNA test confirms I wasn’t a cheating whore and I wasn’t a liar. He decides that a schedule instead of court order visits is to much for him. So now he pays suport and does claim he has son. I didn’t ask for the money, I might need help from the government for a time, But I am not one who sits on her ass and doesn’t work. I work full time now and always and supported my daughter with little to no help. I am going through a rough patch and I pay plenty of taxes too. I do put my children first after my health and yes when comes to my children I am a pshyco, but I am the same for all children which the boys father finds weird. So when you bash single women remember not all of us wanted to be here and not all of us want you to rescue us, not all of us are useless lazy bitches and not all of us are after you to be a daddy. WE are doing a damn good job overcoming the BS given to us. To you men that have mean manipulative females in your lives or in your past. Hang in there! And remember Shit happens and life goes on. Life is what you make of it………………make some cookies.

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Oh Lookey A Single Mother! December 24, 2011 at 06:27

I personally wouldn’t introduce a stranger (potential rapist) into my child’s life. I am happily raising her with joint custody. Her father is still alive and well. He loves her very much and is a wonderful dad. Just because we are not good together, this does not mean he isn’t good for another woman or I for another man. :)
Much love, may your ignorance fade x

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lovelost February 4, 2012 at 21:49

Today, there is no equivalency between single mothers and single fathers, and men would be well-advised to avoid single mothers in all but exceptional circumstances.

even in those exception circumstances men need to think trillion times, before making the decision.

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Allie April 24, 2012 at 20:15

So let me get this straight…. If a man is a single father he is a saint and must of had no say in the matter, if a woman is a single mother she is doing it to get welfare and did this horrible thing to herself…

First of all lets not ignore the fact that just because there are less single fathers that makes them great human beings. This would actually only show how selfish they are. Most men do not step up to fatherhood and as much as you bitter ignorant people want to think it is not because the woman.
Second, a single parent home is not “broken” nor is it a negative thing. In order for something to be broken there has to be a model for fixed. There is no model, a nuclear family is just an idea that men, churches, patriarchs use to control women and society the way they want.
Third, to “pump and dump” a single mother just because she is a single mother is disgusting and only ads to how uneducated and ignorant you all are.
Fourth, Not all single mothers rely on welfare and others to take care of them. I am earning my Masters currently and I am a single parent with a dead beat father no where to be found. I dont rely on anyones paycheck but my own.
Fifth, I would rather have a child grow up with one educated, honest, hard working, caring, loving, responsible, confident parent then to grow up with a parent that has the backwards ideas and values as the men on this site do.
You men on this site that speak anger and hatred for women are bitter and jealous of the contribution women have to the world. you all have mothers and I ask that you think of her next time you say such disgusting and ignorant comments.

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Nali June 7, 2012 at 22:42

It’s clear they hate women as much as some women hate men.

Where is the love in this world? Things don’t have to be as they say. People who speak with generalities are too fearful to look within and at themselves. Don’t you see how blind you are to humanity? They are blind to what’s good and pure. They are jaded and bitter. The world isn’t that bad.

Holding such hatred in one’s heart isn’t healthy. Everything done is a choice with consequences. Being a single mother, I have nothing. All I wanted was his love. Men like you are why most men aren’t capable of loving.

There are bad humans no matter where you look. Welfare is to keep anyone off the street commiting crimes. It keeps us safe. Refuse to pay taxes and people will steal what they need.

Also, with a kid to take care of, what if a woman has no job or prospects? Who will watch her child? Common think, you imbeciles. -rolls eyes- nevermind it’s pointless. Welfare is a need for some. Some take advantage, but so what. I think safety and those that really need the help are worth that.

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Jay January 14, 2013 at 11:21

I’m still searching for answers. In my situation, my ex-wife asked for a divorce for irreconcilable differences. We had the American dream (house, car, dog, picket fence), but had a period of newly wed bumps in the road. Now she gets child support and fights for whatever aspects of the past marriage she wants when she needs it. It is unfair. I never physically cheated on my ex-wife, and I’m a good father. I ask God why this happened to me, and I’m still searching for the answer. To anyone looking to get married and have children, think twice about it. Women know what they are doing and will love you one day and destroy your world the next.

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Krystin September 17, 2013 at 05:23

I find the attitudes on this website appalling. I am a single mother of three. I work twelve hour days as as a registered nurse, I own my own home and vehicle and rely on no one but myself to contribute to my children’s upbringing. I have no problem finding single men to date, I dated a single dad for a short time and would not to it again. Men who are raising children on their own are doing it for the same reason we women are: because of the poor choices we made in choosing a mate.In regards to the man I mentioned previously,he had no instincts when it came to parenting and his son and daughter were both very disrespectful to him. My boys and my daughter are all very respectful to me, my oldest is fifteen and he attends a program for gifted children.I do not need a man to provide for myself or my children, financially or otherwise. In the future, perhaps you should be less inclined to assume that all single mothers are looking for someone to take care of them. Some of us are content with our lives as they are.

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angel September 21, 2013 at 03:56

This is exactly the attitude that has keeps single mums single. I was one of those so called few who was widowed at the age of 30 years old. My husband was a lovely lovely man who embraced my single parenthood when we met. I already had 3 children and we went on to have a child ourselves. When he died in a sudden accident I was then left with 4 children to raise alone. I have not met a man since who is willing to take on a single mum with 4 children. I am in my 40′s now and the children are grown up and all but the youngest left home. I have long made my peace with being single having found the only men willing to date me are those who want something extremely casual and the older I get the less interest men show in me at all, even though my children are flying the nest. I look at the world sadly wondering what happened to people getting to know people and then loving them for who they are? Instead I see people judging people on the outer trappings of worldly achievements.

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james May 29, 2014 at 14:18

i am a single dad 4 4 years old , i have a girl 12 and a boy 9 thier mother left us and returned to florida and relapsed on pills and boose , she has very little contact with us , now when i try to date , it dont work out , women in thier 40s are done raising kids and rather not have more responsibilities to contend with , and seem sorta selfish and lazy , younger women in thier 30s still think they are hot and keep dateing the younger men younger then they are , so im caught in the middle somewhere and to think starting a family at 32 was a good idea ! i consider myself a great dad better then most single moms , i find many are to self centered and find hair dye seems to be more imoportant then family , both of my kids have learning dissibilities , and this keeps me very busy , both are also very active in sports , with me spending at least 60 % of my total income on sports related spending , our winter sports keeps us at the rink 5 seprate days a week and sometimes a 30 min drive plus gas money , i have no social life cause i cannot afford one , and because i dont seem to be a big spender , most of the women go for the ones working out west with the big bucks , so ….. hear i sit single for 6 years now , im not a bad looking guy and im very physically fit , and still no luck ! so what does that tell you ??

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Holly June 1, 2014 at 20:14

It is sad to me to see the comments. My ex ran off with several women, and I finally divorced him. He was not that person for several years, but I am a dumb women for getting into a relationship with him. I always have worked, and we put all of our money together, I spent almost everything I had to help him start his own business, because it was for our family, and I thought that was how it was. He would leave town with a high paying job, and eat steak dinners while we had bologne, he thought it was his way and there was nothing I could do. So I got divorced. He married the mistress, and pays child support. How wrong of me it is to file for child support though. I feel tired of being seen as a bad guy. I do not need a Dad for my kids, they have one. I wouldn’t mind sharing financial responsibility with a man, because it is easier in two income households, but I can understand that if he makes more money, that he can do with his own money what he wants. I see more guys interested in me to spend money I make on them. At first the idea did not bother me, because I knew I did not want to be in another controlling relationship, but it is just a form of being used. Is it being used the other way when a women expects a man to pay for everything? Yes it is. Now I am considered a feminist because I think equality is nice, but then I am a hypocrite if I let a man buy me anything. Then there is the situation with a man not wanting to raise another man’s kids.. and the kids coming before them. It was not your fault that the woman had children, and they may not respect you or you may not know what you are supposed to be to them. I get that. It would make things harder, but not impossible. All relationships have challenges, and I am a human who tried, failed, and got out of a bad marriage. It was both of our faults, and we were too young. I am a grown woman now, not a teenager. I had barely turned 18, and I think so much about how silly and simple the decision to have kids was. I loved him, he wanted kids and I wanted to make him happy. I did not think about what being a mom actually meant. It was a simple thing, you fall in love and have kids, then you have a family and live happily ever after. Marriage meant that a man swore to you that he loved you and would be loyal. I did not think about it as being something to hold over a guy so I could later hurt him. I could care less about marriage now, because it is not taken seriously by most, and is hard to get out of if things fail. I do like the married lifestyle though. Now the big one, the kids come first. They are kids, they cannot take care of themselves, and if I had to choose between the two because a man wanted the kids to be with my ex so he did not have to deal with them..then ya I will be with my kids. The same problems exist with everyone who has any family. People usually have problems when the man or woman’s parents don’t get along. The family you are born into was there first, before the boyfriend or girlfriend arrived, and in most cases is at least in the beginning more important. I think that after a woman with kids is in a relationship with a man for an extended period that the man does become as important as her kids. It is taboo to say that though. I love my kids, but they will grow up and have their own life. I would like to have someone by my side, and it would be cool if he knew my kids, because they are an important part of my life. What is wrong with that? My kids are 11 and 14. Not a very long time till they are grown, and they are much better behaved than your average kid. My ex worked away from home alot, and I have pretty much always been raising my kids by myself, so that makes little difference, and even my ex has always said I am a good mother. My only concern is that my boy should be learning about welding, cars, and manly things that I know only bits and pieces of. His grandpa works with him some, and I taught him to check oil, antifreeze, air up tire, and barbecue.. His dad has worked with him some on the welding, but chooses to not come because he is focused on his new family. He wanted to start over because he felt he had been a failure as a father because he was gone so much, so he fell for a woman who was pregnant. He told me.. lol he felt that if I would get pregnant that having another child could save our marriage. I was too mature by this time though, and knew that was a bad reason to have another kid, and I pictured myself with two kids and a baby alone, trying to make a living. I always thought he would divorce me. People get smarter sometimes. All single moms are not gold diggers, look at people on an individual case, and understand that people are human. Maybe I will just be alone forever and looked down on, because I had kids and my marriage didn’t work. What if the single mom had her husband die? What if she was raped? What if, what if… Are those of us who have kids not worthy of giving and recieving love from another man? You do not have to get married, you do not have to have more kids..then what can the evil soul sucking financially draining single mother do to you? She can’t take half your stuff, or file child support then. As far as sharing her love with both you and her kids, that is the only benefit of dating a single childless mother. The fact is though that when a child comes into the picture, whether you made it, or someone else..the love is then shared, and the kid out of necessity must come first, and then you are actually expected to do more because it would be your kid. If you never plan on having kids..almost everything I wrote does not apply to you at all.

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Holly June 1, 2014 at 23:09

single childless woman..or woman without kids..ive been exhausted and just noticed how i had wrote that..

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Stacy G June 6, 2014 at 10:17

first of all the points you listed about why not to date a single mother are not correct for ALL single mothers and there are a lot more quality single mothers out there than you would ever know..

a. Left their children’s father: MY HUSBAND LEFT ME.

b. Subjected their children’s father to state confiscation: I GAVE HIM OUR BEAUTIFUL HOME, WE SHARE JOINT CUSTODY OF OUR SON. I PAY FOR HALF OF ALL OF HIS CARE.

c. Deprived their children of a father figure. MY SON SEES HIS FATHER 3 NIGHTS AND 4 FULL DAYS AND ANY OTHER TIME MY EX WANTS TO SEE HIM I WILL ALWAYS SAY YES. VACATIONS, ETC.

d. Relied on others to involuntarily support their choice. I’VE BEEN TAKING CARE OF MYSELF FOR 12 YEARS POST DIVORCE HAVE BEEN IN ONLY TWO VERY SHORT RELATIONSHIPS AND SPLIT ALL THAT TOO.

I AM OFFENDED BY THIS IDEA THAT YOU MEN THINK WE SINGLE WOMEN ARE NOT WORTHY OF LOVE AND IT HURTS. NO WONDER I’M STILL SINGLE WITH THIS MIND SET AND I’M AWESOME!! (BELIEVE IT OR NOT)

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