Is There Hope for Single Women Past 30?

by W.F. Price on May 9, 2011

It’s curious to see how so many women complain about men’s “extended adolescence” when so many of them put off marriage and children until the very last minute. For a woman, growing up has even more to do with marriage and childrearing than it does for a man. However, as usual, the blame for women’s extended period of screwing around in school, some corporate job or whatever they chose to focus on instead of family falls on “immature men.”

A lot of these women could easily have settled down with some decent guy in their twenties and put off the graduate degree and career for long enough to have a couple kids and raise them to school age, when she can go back to work. For a typical woman in her mid-20s, she could accomplish this quite realistically by her early 30s, and then, if she wants, she could go back to work, get that higher degree, or start some small business. In fact, a lot of what people (men and women alike) do in their 20s is a wash in many cases anyway, so it would probably at least guarantee she did something productive during that period.

But there are no do-overs where age is concerned, so we find a large pool of single women in their 30s suddenly deciding that they want the family that would have been best started some ten years earlier. These women are staring the “game changer” right in the face, and finding that although they thought they could hold out for something better, it is now the men of similar age who have that option. Hence all the endless whining and complaining about men being “afraid of commitment” or “immature.”

This is the root of all these complaints — the women making them are upset about the fact that men will not commit to them, personally. Ironically, the same men would have been much more eager to do so some ten years prior, but things have changed.

So what is a potential solution for these women facing a ticking biological clock and a much more difficult mating market? Unfortunately, for many of them there probably is none. Too many guys over the age of 35 have grown cynical, know that the pickings are easy, and are far from excited about the prospect of settling down with a harried wife and chaotic children. Young men are idealists, and really clueless. I was one at one point. I loved the idea of family and children, and could only imagine happy times with kids and domestic intimacy as some kind of heaven on earth. The reality turned out to be far different, but I still wouldn’t change things — kids have a very strong pull on one’s heart.

This idealism wanes fast for men. Those who haven’t had kids by 40 are not likely to ever do so, so what is the career woman in her 30s to do?

I don’t know that I should even give women any advice on the subject, because the issue is fraught with danger for men, but the word will get out there one way or the other so might as well.

For women who have aged out of the prime mating market and are approaching the game-changing event that occurs in the mid-30s, there is still some hope, but it involves a betrayal of feminist principles as well as setting aside some of her youthful expectations.

There is one group of men out there who are more likely to look favorably on the idea of a more mature woman with a career, and possibly having a kid or two with her. Given the financial, emotional and practical realities of divorce and custody issues, divorced fathers are a relatively easy catch for a woman who is past her prime mating and marriage years.

Men in this situation have generally proven that they are willing to be parents, settle down and give it a go. Some have rejected the idea entirely, but by no means all. They are also more likely to value a woman who can support herself and will be much more hesitant about getting involved with another young, unproven woman. Most will be emotionally and financially damaged to some extent, but if they survived the divorce onslaught and managed to keep it together they’ve proven themselves fairly resilient, resourceful people.

A lot of women dislike the idea of getting involved with a man who already has children, but such a man is nowhere near the liability a single mother is. Although single mothers are almost universally made out to be victims in mainstream culture, these days the opposite is generally the truth — they have victimized some man in their life with no regard for him or even the children she had with him. Men rarely do that, and they are prevented from doing so by the law in any event, so a single father is not much of a risk in that regard.

Finally, the guy already knows how to handle kids. He won’t be starting from scratch. This makes a big difference, and if he does go along with the idea to have another kid, it’s going to be much easier than it will with a childless man of equivalent age who has already become rather set in his ways and habits.

So, for the women who are complaining about men who “won’t grow up,” the problem is that they haven’t considered that there are plenty of men who already have, and got burned for doing so. These women actually have an opportunity that is better than fair, and gives them a break they never would have had in days past.

Like so many other things today, the field is tilted in favor of women even when they’ve missed their first chance. So, next time you hear some woman whining about how men won’t commit, remember that there’s absolutely no reason to feel sorry for her. Due to the reality that divorced men face today, she still has plenty of options, and if she still can’t figure that out then, really, who’s the one who hasn’t grown up?

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The Trend May 9, 2011 at 14:08

These are the same women who spent their college years “slutwalking” and “taking back the night” and “clothesline projecting” and every other iteration of man hating who are now wondering why they are not married. I love it….

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AfOR May 9, 2011 at 14:15

As many of you know, I have written about internet dating and wimminz (click my name above) and I am here to tell you this.

There are basically three categories;

1/
Wimminz over 30 with kids over 13
2/
Wimminz over 30 with kids under 13
3/
Wimminz with no kids.

In reverse order, group 3 often have fertility issues, sure, there are a proportion of late starters, but this whole group is quite small, making up perhaps 5% at most of the total wimminz out there on dating sites.

Group 2 usually don’t want any more kids, but at least their kids are young enough not to act as cock blocking contraceptives.

Group 1 never want any more kids, and the ones they have, unless they have left the nest, are very effective cock blocking contraceptives

NONE OF THEM genuinely want to take on a man with kids, PARTICULARLY a man with kids and an ongoing legal battle with the ex…..

NONE of them want a man who has never had kids, because he is going to want to…

ALL of them are ideally looking for a man who has kids, but doesn’t see them and isn’t involved with them and isn’t involved in any ongoing legal battles.

Basically, the point here is that there is a vast gulf between a wimminz wanting to spurt kids out of her cunt for her own reasons, and her wanting to spurt ANY SPECIFIC MAN’s (such as you buddy) KIDS OUT OF HER CUNT FOR HER REASONS.

No wimminz ever had a kid for a man………….

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Traveller May 9, 2011 at 14:15

Uhmmm strange post.

Searching for a new wife?

Good luck.

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Paradoxotaur May 9, 2011 at 14:16

A never-married woman in her mid-thirties or older is:
empowered,
independent,
successful, and
strong.

A never-married man in his mid-thirties or older is:
immature,
afraid of commitment,
shallow, and
probably gay.

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Anonymous Reader May 9, 2011 at 14:18

This is very sensible advice, to the women it is intended for. However, as noted it requires giving up some feminist notions. It also means the woman in question is likely putting herself at some risk of possible anti-Family court actions, since as Welmer and others can testify there is always a possibility of a divorced woman bringing up some action involving children.

So I do not think very many women will take this advice. Those who do will have to put away their feminism, eat some humble pie and put themselves a little bit at risk of the dangers of anti-Family court. They will be women who will be a bit more interested in the rights of men, too.

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Opus May 9, 2011 at 14:19

America must be very different (unless it is me) because I do not recognise the above scenario. I have never been shamed by a woman to grow up, in fact I can’t think one has ever wanted me long-term. Most women seem to have no interest in marriage (unless it is hypergamous). Those that want children do not, like my next-door neighbour, want a husband; and so they get some fly-by-night boyfriend to father their child. Those over forty, single and childless seem to have no trouble picking up young guys to sleep with as required.

All my married friends are bored and envy me.

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AntZ May 9, 2011 at 14:23

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AntZ May 9, 2011 at 14:31

Just to be clear, what I mean is this:

Technology will allow men to develop into the next step in human evolution. Men will embrace replacement and enhancement of our bodies by technological devices that increase our physical or intellectual capabilities.

Women will reject these improvements because women will strongly desire to retain physical beauty and the power/influence that physical beauty gives them. Men will evolve beyond the human species, and likely beyond planet Earth. Women will be left behind, admiration themselves mirrors as their world decays around them.

It is just a matter of time.

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AfOR May 9, 2011 at 14:36

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Dehbashi May 9, 2011 at 14:36

Well, if you got women like this then no.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/mother_daze_for_pop_after_lover_wbLBC2SIsneFCjL5ubv5GM

She bothers him at 7 in the morning about a gift and when he says he doesn’t have one she assaults him and is proud of it.

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Seamus the Classicist May 9, 2011 at 14:40

What you are describing is the trouble I had with my ex-fiancee, she was afraid of marriage and children and thinks she has a career as a SWO (Navy Surface Warfare Officer, a delusion for several reasons I won’t reiterate here.) So I was trying to convince her that the best thing for our lives would have been to start the family as soon as her Naval Commitment was up. Young and idealistic I underestimated how really commitment-phobic she is (truth is settling down with one person and living a life with no family is not a commitment.)

She thought because of my idealistic desire for a family would lead me to be a ground down beta-provider, but I was (and still am) unwilling to settle for a BS job disregarding my education in order to be with some woman. Needless to say when she saw I was unwilling to bend to her and her parents’ wills she broke off the engagement on facebook and told me to have no further contact (this is not unusual for my age group of 20-30.) In the end I came to the conclusion that she was an emotional unstable spoiled brat with delusions of grandeur (she really couldn’t tell that the Navy was stringing her along to maintain on paper a number of female officers, hell the one time I went to one of her Naval functions one of her senior officers came up to and emphatically told “don’t marry this girl.”) Basically I wasn’t becoming a Navy wife so she could get a Master’s of Social Work. And I had suspicions of her long before she broke it off.

But the truth is with the PC sex-discrimination in the work world today, most of the men of the Millennial generation are becoming MGTOW. We are noticing the reprehensible natures of the female starting in High School, and acting accordingly: many young men don’t bother dating except once in a blue moon, we consider long-term relationships an exercise in masochism, and we no longer listen to the prattling of female shit-tests.

Hence things like the Slut-walk and take back the night. I guess many of my fellows are telling them we hate their behaviour and loath their mentality.

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Janus May 9, 2011 at 14:42

It will be interesting to how things play out in ten years when these women are pushing 50, still single, and all the cushy government, NGO, and human resources jobs have disappeared. I can tell you there is very little chance I’m going to “man up” and pay a farthing in support of any of them. May their marble counter-tops keep them warm at night.

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Eric May 9, 2011 at 14:46

More typically, the women put off marriage until their 30s, because they’ve had kids with some abusive thug and need a responsible, hard-working man to support them. After a few years, though, she invariably divorces him and fleeces him down to the skeleton for alimony and child-support. That finances her new evolution as a 40-something ‘cougar’; going after the same kinds of louts she was chasing in her 20s.

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Eric May 9, 2011 at 14:52

AntZ;

I hope that a lot of women read your posts and feel really proud of themselves for creating a relationship scene so dismal that men are starting to prefer androids, virtual sex and artifical wombs to them. Not that your ideas don’t have some actual merit; but that men are even contemplating such things are a real sad commentary on the state of modern women.

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TFH May 9, 2011 at 14:56

For women who have aged out of the prime mating market and are approaching the game-changing event that occurs in the mid-30s,

Defined as the….

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TFH May 9, 2011 at 14:57

That is why that fish-faced Kay Hymowitz is a dumb hypocrite.

Dr. Helen specifically called her out on not even mentioning the unfair FC system as a reason men choose not to marry. But that fact merely went in one ear and out the other of Kay Hymowitz.

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oddsock May 9, 2011 at 14:58

“Eric

AntZ;

I hope that a lot of women read your posts and feel really proud of themselves for creating a relationship scene so dismal that men are starting to prefer androids, virtual sex and artifical wombs to them. Not that your ideas don’t have some actual merit; but that men are even contemplating such things are a real sad commentary on the state of modern women.”

And Orange inflatable sheep.

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Dalrock May 9, 2011 at 14:59

The thing that women aren’t considering as a group is that aside from their declining mmv as they get older, they are also influencing the choices of the men their own age. For every additional woman who decides not to marry in her 20s there is a man who is likely to do one of the following:

1) Drop out of the dating/marriage market.
2) Become a player.
3) Feel less motivated to push for career success and financial independence since forming a family appears to be off the table.

Then the women hit their thirties and a significant percentage of the men they would have otherwise married aren’t interested or eligible for marriage.

Plus they always have to be weary of the bear.

Lastly, there is the problem of them changing the kind of man they are attracted to (as I wrote about on my last post featured here).

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fmz May 9, 2011 at 15:07

“So what is a potential solution for these women facing a ticking biological clock and a much more difficult mating market?”

Simple.

IVF, surrogacy, adoption and they can marry each other or themselves.

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Herbal Essence May 9, 2011 at 15:08

They were told that they could “have it all” by Feminism, and that’s what they’ve been given for the most part.

They snapped their fingers and got scholarships and/or help from Mommy and Daddy to go to college. They snapped their fingers upon college graduation and got a job in Government, Education, Health Care, or some other field that discriminates against men. They snapped their fingers and got top-shelf penis or a solid Beta to amuse them whenever they wanted.

They got to play Fabulous Career Girl thinking “Oh, I’ll just snap my fingers again when I’m ready to marry.” They waited until the Baby Rabies could no longer be ignored. And now they’re snapping their fingers, and no Mr. Mister Provider is magically dropping out of the sky. Their expectations are still too high, and, there are fewer and fewer men willing to do such a thing anyway.

When these women were younger, they should have been showing some TLC to men of comparable status. But no, Hypergamy and Entitlement ruled the day and they mistreated their potential mates.

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Herbal Essence May 9, 2011 at 15:16

Also, someone mentioned Single Mothers above:

I have been a member of online dating sites off and on for 15 years and I am stunned how many single mothers there are now. In some cities, the Majority of profiles are single mothers. Sometimes with two or three kids. And I’m using a dating site which is normally not the one for charity cases. Best of all, many of the women say something like “Yeah, I have a kid. Deal with it.” in their profile which shows they know that lowers their market value. Oh well girlie, sucks to be you!

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Opus May 9, 2011 at 15:17

It has occured to me why the situation here may be rather different to the United States, if I may share it with you.

English women are dreadful and I gave up on them years ago, however we live very close to Europe and there is a constant influx of attractive, slim, personable, pleasant (English women take note being pleasant is possible – not every man who even has the temerity to speak to you is a stalker or rapist – amazing but true!) females who being a bit foreign are also a bit interesting. (Have a look at Krauser PUA’s blog – if you want an idea – and by the way I think his technique is terrible! yet even so he clearly scores a lot). Then again (if you must) there are the former Soviet Union territories not to mention South East Asia and they have women desparate to get into Britain.

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Herbal Essence May 9, 2011 at 15:34

Opus “English women are dreadful and I gave up on them years ago”

I have seen and heard enough horror about British women (through friends and my time in Europe) to think they may be worse than American women. Or, as bad in different ways.

My condolences.

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Paradoxotaur May 9, 2011 at 15:47

“So what is a potential solution for these women facing a ticking biological clock and a much more difficult mating market?”

Who cares? Or more particularly, why should any of us care?

“she still has plenty of options”

Really? Seriously? I would say it’s the divorced fathers that have plenty of options. Revisit Lori Gottlieb’s “Marry Him!” screed, and take a look at her. Honestly, who would settle for her? Yet the ceaseless drumbeat from all sides is that women have the options and aren’t we men lucky that they allow us to buy them dinner.

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Troll King May 9, 2011 at 15:49

AfOR.

I think you are correct in many ways.

I have noticed this.

If a woman says she is not going to have sex tonight because you have known her for 45 minutes and spent 2 hrs chatting her up on facebook….then she walks directly into my bedroom and takes off her clothes and we fuck.

If a woman says that she just met me and I shouldn’t expect to get any after I have spent two hours drinking a few beers and strategically making sure that I drink more of each pitcher that I buy while also drinking more of each pitcher she buys, as we alternate rounds, then we get in the car and she blows me on the spot.

If I meet her at a party or a friends house and chat her up and we go back to her house and while walking I make light touching and she says that she just met me and she doesn’t hook up on the first date….then, she walks into her bedroom and strips naked and I fuck her in the ass.

If I hang out in the bar and buy HER some drinks and she talks about all the porn star like sex she is going to give me after I give her a ride to her roommates house……wait for it……..she pulls out her cell phone and calls her ex and fucks him.

I cant speak to single mothers. Almost all the girls I knew and were friends with in high school are now single mothers and most had their second kid by the second guy by the time they were 18 or 19 and some of them have 3 or 4 or 5 kids today by 3 different guys. I haven’t talked to any of them since I was 22 or 23 and even then it was rare for me to talk to them. I only know about it now because of facebook and occasionally running into old friends from HS when I go home to visit my grandmother.

I stay away from single mothers like I stay away from the plague. If a woman has a kid and isn’t married or isn’t with the guy who fathered the kid or even if she is single and I have heard her joke about sperm donors or tricking a guy…..I DON”T TALK TO THEM. I have literally come to the point that a month or two back I was talking to some girl and she mentioned her kid and I stopped and turned around and didn’t talk to her again. She got pissy but first she was kinda shocked. I didn’t stay at that bar long because she was being bitchy and trying to talk to me. I simply removed myself and went to party elsewhere. I even got my brother to stop talking to one of his female friends who is a single mother by choice because all she was doing was using him as a emotional tampon and source of attention and a wallet. I used those words, he told me he had paid for her abortion and was bitching about how she had bought a playstation and I told him to man the fuck up because it aint his kid and he has no moral obligation to it or her and he has stopped talking to her.

Maybe it is age difference or maybe it is the white trash town and school I went to and lived. IDK. I do know that before I was 21 I knew a handful of guys, one who was drunk when the child was fathered and couldn’t have consented, who were fucked over one way or another by some girl who wanted a baby but realized she didn’t need him. Watch teen mom and realize that I have literally known a girl like each and every one of them. I was friends with a few of them, hell if you changed the names and change the hair of a few of them then I have dated their near clones and all before I turned 21.

Single mothers by choice are a blight on our once great country. I wish I had the link handy, maybe someone can find it and post it. I first saw it on one of the MGTOW forums. It was about the stages of dating a single mother. It talked about how at first she has a cabal of single mother friends who pool their resources, so from your perspective it seems like she has her life together because she is well dressed and the apt is clean and the kid is taken care of. It talked about how she will use the kid to form a emotional attachment with you to get you hooked and so on. It is a must read for any men in my honest opinion.

Now, onto single women in their 30s…..WHY?!?!?!?!?!

Look, if you are a family oriented man and are ok with being number 99999999 in her sexual history and you realize that she won’t form anywhere near the sexual attachment to you than she did the yoga instructor that she fucked last and if you make less money and want to be a stay at home dad so that when she does divorce you then you will get the kids and she will pay alimony….and and…go for it.

What guys really need to wake up to is the fact that she and 99% of the rest of womankind picked you LAST! She only wants you know because you are a easy mark that has what she needs. She won’t love you or cherish you or care for you when times are rough. She may see you as highly valuable at first but shit a quater is valuable to someone in a 3rd world country. The truth is that you are only valuable to her because her value has dropped so much.

The real thing to realize is that you have always had more value than her and her friends, you just thought that you had less because THEY told you that you had less and then you acted like that. She will shit test you just like they shit tested you before and now that you are older and have wisdom you might pass them at first. The thing is that she is on the cusp on her reproductive ability. This means she will kick into overdrive as a last ditch attempt to weed out faulty genes or uncompatible genes.

This means she will shit test you even worse. Once you fail those tests. Once you want love without having to prove yourself worthy. Once you hit a streak of depression because your dog died or your mom died. Once you hit a rough or stressful path at work and need a partner. That is when she will see you with disgust and scorn and label you a loser.

If you guys want to go that route, then great. Arm yourself the best you can and weather the storms. I would rather storm proof my life than hide in a female run house and hope the tornado doesn’t rip the roof off.

Take care of numero uno first.

I really can’t understand why a 35 yr old guy would want to date a 32 yr old woman. I guess it depends on the woman but very few of them are even all that hot at that age. IDK, I am not even 30 yet so maybe I will change my mind.

I doubt it though. I do remember being attracted to a few milfs when I was 18 or 20 but they weren’t all that old. The oldest one was 30 maybe and she didn’t look like the typical 30 yr old or maybe she was 35 but still, one was a former model and cheerleader and was a dance coach with a smoking body but she still had some wrinkles and one of the hottest parts was her desperation. I could tell, it just radiated from her, that she hadn’t been fucked in a long time and I was fuckin my gf 3x a day when I was flirting with her.

I did almost hook up with one milf but that was because I was really really drunk and she tried to get me and a bud to run a train on her…lulz. We thought about it. We even went to her house and drank a shit ton of her beer. She got naked in the hottub and we were both too shy and kept our boxers on and were mainly drinking her beer. Then we were talking to her and she mentioned that she was married and her husband was a engineer and was apparently home upstairs and she said we had to be quiet. We got freaked out and grabbed some beers and left wearing our cloths…lulz, thinking back on it, this was like 4 yrs ago, it must have been a funny site me and my bud walking out with beers in our hand wearing soaked boxers that then soaked out clothes while drunk as shit and stumbling all over the place. Lolz. That could have ended up bad…REAL BAD.

Anyways, what would I want with a 35 year old skank? They are worth less than a 25 yr old skank and I can get laid by some hot ass 23 yr old skank strippers for 100$ if I wanted to. Literally, that is how much one propositioned me for. I didn’t, it is one thing to get a lap dance but I don’t want no fuckin herpies.

I used to think it was sad but now I don’t give a fuck. I used to think it was sad how fast womens beauty fades. I have known some girls, and this fits several of my ex gfs, who went from being 10s at 17/18 yrs old to 5s at best by 21. They didn’t even have kids. Nothing makes me believe in the genetic and biological differences between the sexes than how quickly beer and cigarettes and even light drugs like weed can completely destroy a womans looks withing two or three years time. Awhile back I got nostalgic about one of my first crushes.

In 6th and 7th and 8th and 9th grade, I moved schools during this time but I still had it hard for her, I had the worst crush on this girl named stacy. It crushed me when I went to the local football game and saw her making out with a guy a few years older. Picture the typical hollywood bullshit of a boy sitting in class and having time slow down and she is the only thing in focus and the slow music comes on and yadda yadda. I had it bad.

When I moved back after getting kicked out of HS I found out that she had transfered HS too and I never saw her again. I heard some rumors about her from people I knew were friends with her and kept in touch but I didn’t have her info. Awhile back I got nostalgic and got on facebook and myspace to see if I could find a picture of her and see what had happened. Maybe even get intouch with her, who knows right???

I browsed through picture after picture and even got out my yearbook to see if I had the middle initial right. I couldn’t find her. I then came upon one pic and said….wait, that looks like her eyes and mouth but, no, no….NO…NO….that can’t be…wtf, let’s look at the HS info and OMfuckingG….what. the. fuck. happened to her?!?! This hot girl who was on the dance squad, we had both cheerleaders and dance squads, and was hot as all hell….well. She had ballooned up by atleast a hundred pounds and I had literally clicked past various pics of her a dozen times before I saw that one pick and remembered the way her mouth looked when she gave me that bewitching smile.

At 24/25 or 25/26, I don’t remember now how much older I was than her, I looked at her older pictures and my pics and it was like look at a car wreck being documented over the course of 10 years. She was one of those girls who blossomed early and I wasn’t exactly a late bloomer but no where near a early bloomer physically. By the time I got to the most recent pics it looked like she was dead inside and she looked like a completely different girl. She looked like something you would see walking around walmart in sweat pants in the middle of the night. Why would I want that at 35, even if she got lipo and cosmetic surgery…eeewww.

I figure the best case for me, and I think men need to do this too especially if you already have kids and are in your 30s and don’t want more kids, is that I will get a vasectomy and not tell a single girl or anyone. I will do this around 33 or so. I will then find as many childless women around me that I can and I will string them all along and fuck them like crazy. I will talk about how one day I want kids and I want to travel first and I will get her to take me on vacations to nice places and pay for it all and then I will tell her that I don’t want to ruin it and I think I need a little space since we just spent a week together and then I will have my other girl take me on a vacation and rinse repeat. I will string as many of them along as possible for as long as possible.

I will then dump them when their bioclock has run silent. I will laugh. When I was 10 yrs old I watched all the girls my age and most of my female and even a few male teachers laugh their asses off about this woman named Lorena Bobbit. Fuck the women my age. I don’t give one shit if they lose out on having children. The amount of bullshit I have had to put up with women my age as a gen Y guy will not be forgotten. Even at my worst and most assholish moments, all I ever really wanted to do was love them and be loved by them.

They have waged war on us men for as long as we have been alive, why show them any mercy?

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Paradoxotaur May 9, 2011 at 15:57

Oh, forgot to mention . . . check out Women looking for Men personal ads in this age bracket sometime and tally up the things the women say they are looking for/expect/demand in a man, and compare the tally for the things they offer in return (I mean things a man might actually be interested in).

One of my favorites started off saying basically “I’m not pretty, I’m fat, and I think oral sex is disgusting” and then went on to list 143 REQUIREMENTS that any man presuming to approach The Goddess MUST have (many of which were mutually exclusive). I wonder if she’s still available.

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theforest May 9, 2011 at 16:14

30 year-old womenz can marry some South American-Mexican douche who lathers them with attention in exchange for citizenship. Then once they get married and she finds out that she’ll be living just below the poverty line for a good ten years at least, she’ll get all bitter and stuff and then they’ll get a divorce. And nobody would’ve seen it coming.

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SingleDad May 9, 2011 at 16:15

Is There Hope for Single Women Past 30?

No.

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Simon May 9, 2011 at 16:35

This is the first time I have disagreed with Mr. Price. You are a single father so you know how hard it is dealing with children. Now imagine some other woman’s children whom you have NO control over. And imagine her having no final say so or control over your children. You wan’t chaos? You got chaos! The brandy bunch is TV fiction Mr. Price and you know it.

As a single father who has been though the ringer, most men are hesitant about jumping through that ringer again.

Also as a father you know how you feel about you’re children and you know you will never feel the same way about hers. Fact. Oh, you may try to be fair and balanced, but deep down you love your kids more.

Also, do you really want to deal with Baby Daddy Drama. I personally brought the baby daddy drama when my Ex’s new boyfriend was not treating my daughter right. I told him (and rightly so) “I pay half your rent, so I run your house, you do as I say or spot me back a grand a month”. No man wants to be in that situation, and he rightly hates my guts. But he was the one who signed up for this, not me.

The only woman a single father should date is a single woman, or a widow. Fact.

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W.F. Price May 9, 2011 at 16:40

This is the first time I have disagreed with Mr. Price. You are a single father so you know how hard it is dealing with children. Now imagine some other woman’s children whom you have NO control over.

-Simon

Simon, perhaps I should have myself more clear, but I did not, and would not, recommend single mothers to single fathers. I’ll post on that tomorrow.

Simon May 9, 2011 at 16:44

Simon, perhaps I should have myself more clear, but I did not, and would not, recommend single mothers to single fathers. I’ll post on that tomorrow.

Point taken. Still. Why should a divorced man who has to provide resources for his own children provide resources for someone other man’s child? Unless you mean the divorced man with no kids of his own. And at that point he’s a single man and should be after single women.

Really you should just tell the truth to these women. Go after chumps. The guys you don’t want, the ones who repulse you. They want you and they are good enough for you, you don’t deserve better. The rest of us with a clue avoid you, which is why you are single.

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TFH May 9, 2011 at 17:13

Regarding Welmer’s own situation, I still find it odd that his ex-wife’s other man wants custody of Welmer’s children.

Why should he want another man’s children? I would think that in most situations, both the other man and Welmer would want Welmer to have custody of Welmer’s children…

Or is it possible that he is just giving in to what Welmer’s ex-wife wants? If so, perhaps Welmer can, if at all possible, work with the other man to ensure that Welmer’s kids are with Welmer (something both men want).

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scot May 9, 2011 at 17:15

Another trend is gonna be the older / barren, gender feminists who are beyond their baby making years are gonna start “baby snatching” other womens babies.
Right now these older / barren women can pay some heroin addicted crack head girl to have a baby for them, but the older barren women who can’t afford that may “baby snatch” from another mother.

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Herbal Essence May 9, 2011 at 17:45

Lara- Single mothers are a horrendous risk. Steady boyfriends are often made the legal father by the court if he’s dated her for a sufficient length of time. Also, big risk for an “oops” pregnancy if she feels she’s hooked a good ($$$) catch.

Single mothers should be shunned from the dating pool. If we subsidize something, we’ll get more of it and men need to stop subsidizing single motherhood.

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Commander Shepard May 9, 2011 at 17:52

Women start life happy, end bitter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wsEBdbH6uw&feature=related

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fmz May 9, 2011 at 18:03

“It will be interesting to (see) how things play out in ten years when these women are pushing 50, still single, and all the cushy government, NGO, and human resources jobs have disappeared. I can tell you there is very little chance I’m going to “man up” and pay a farthing in support of any of them. May their marble counter-tops keep them warm at night.”

In countries like USA, it prolly means higher DIRECT taxes and more DIRECT transfers from producer class to consumer class. In countries like Australia with its deep resource base (mineral and agricultural) it looks like more INDIRECT transfers, starting with a resource rent tax. Another possibility is to invent a tax out of thin air, much in the same way as banks do with credit creation, with for eg. carbon tax. These indirect taxes will filter thru increased cost of living, which wont be a problem for those with those who can keep up (minority). The direct transfer model likely in the USA will hit the middle-class especially hard. There is already a defacto transfer under way thru the depreciating dollar. l think in the USA the govt is gonna come after the producer class, mostly men, and ramp up its pro-femzy electoral base with more entitlements. Solution for da menz over there is to shift to the underground economy (like vast ‘black’ economies of italy and russia) or literally get out.

Its prolly too far gone to reverse. l guess there is s lim chance of turning the titanic around.

l do see a broadly expanding entitlement mentality fueled by us/them and have/have not type thinking, which will put everyone at risk on some level. Especially those that are seemingly happy and can provide for themselves. For this reason l like combining low-profile/under-the-radar approach with GYOW.

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AfOR May 9, 2011 at 18:04

My grandfather had a saying, and to give an idea of age he went to the USA and worked for Henry Ford….

“Why should I look after another man’s child?”

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Avenger May 9, 2011 at 18:07

Is There Hope for Single Women Past 30?

Who cares? lol

But I do think that these spinsters serve a purpose. We should keep them around as an example for young girls as to what their future will be like. They also serve another purpose which will sometimes be to a man’s benefit. At some point they are going to give up on the idea of having kids and getting married. and will spend their lives as “career women”. Sure, they’ll spend money on themselves and may even have a fling as a cougar and get taken for some money but in general females are cheap and like to hold onto their money.Some of them become so neurotic and insecure that they live like misers. Eventually they’ll get old and die and some lucky nephew will get their property :)

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Omnipitron May 9, 2011 at 18:07

“A man who is willing to accept a single mother may get a higher quality woman than he would be able to otherwise.”

That’s a big may, a really big may. I’ve done it and it worked out for me, but I’m the exception, not the rule. Advising men this particular approach is like advising couples to use the lottery as a retirement vehicle.

Some win, most don’t.

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ZenCo. May 9, 2011 at 18:23

Single moms? Women over (especially) 35?
Fuck ‘em. Literally.
We all have to grow up sometime ladies.
Fuck ‘em and then forget ‘em. They’re probably just overgrown children who want one more ride at the carnival except the carnival is closed.
Just keep reading your moronic women’s mags instead of listening to ACTUAL MEN. Idiots.
In old age you will need men WAAAAAAAY more than men will need your sorry, stretched, and smelly asses.
Too many women think it’ll be pink unicorns and rainbows forever.
Just like spoiled, delusional children…

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Avenger May 9, 2011 at 18:25

“A man who is willing to accept a single mother may get a higher quality woman than he would be able to otherwise.”

Listen, to get anything high quality you have to be pretty high quality yourself. Single mothers are not high quality anyway with the possible exception of a few young widows and if they have anything of value to offer in addition to their looks they are certainly not going to go for some ordinary loser.

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Carnivore May 9, 2011 at 18:33

“But I do think that these spinsters serve a purpose. We should keep them around as an example for young girls as to what their future will be like.”

If they wake up a few girls, they will have served a purpose. Believe it was Vox who said something along the lines of – a girl and her parents will spend an untold amount of time prepping, planning, investigating and searching for the perfect college so she can get a degree and have a career. Yet, they expect the perfect husband to drop out of the sky at the flick of a switch when she decides “it’s time to get married”. And which is more important to her long term happiness?

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Avenger May 9, 2011 at 18:40

The Jews cut Hillary out lol

This ain’t kosher!

A Hasidic paper in Williamsburg digitally erased Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton from the instantly iconic photo of the White House Situation Room as President Obama and his staff watched the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound.

The paper, Der Zeitung, also removed Director for Counterterrorism Audrey Tomason from the photo in its Friday edition. The Jerusalem Post speculated “many conjectured that it was either because of concerns about immodesty, or strong feelings that women should not be in positions of power.” It also noted that the White House banned news organizations from having the pictures “manipulated.”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/hillary_vanishes_2I660iaI25j2wzaluqyXnN#ixzz1LuWMomCx

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imnobody May 9, 2011 at 18:43

Well, I think this post is far-fetched, Welmer. Most women during their thirties are still able to get a thirty-something beta provider without kids who has not awakened from his pedestalizing dream. The one that has been rejected once and again during his twenties and has no social skills. Millions of these marriages occur every day (and are followed by millions of divorces some years down the line).

The marriage strike has not gone that far, as Dalrock proved. It will eventually get there but it will take some time.

Your advice is more applicable to the forties crowd. For the thirty-something women, the advice would be to find a clueless beta/omega who hasn’t learnt Game and marry him. Easy but not likely because thirty-something women don’t stop being picky.

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imnobody May 9, 2011 at 18:46

“A man who is willing to accept a single mother may get a higher quality woman than he would be able to otherwise.”

I just spit coffee all over my screen while reading that. So clueless. Please, next time put a disclaimer “PLEASE, DON’T READ THAT WHILE EATING”. Thanks.

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knuckledragger May 9, 2011 at 18:55

This is what i love about sites like this. My charming ex-millstone informed me a little over two years ago while I was overseas that I would be “needing to find another place to live” when I got home. After getting accustomed to the bi-monthly as-hammerings I’m taking in the form of over half my income being legislated away from me every month, I had just started to notice that I seemed to be getting targeted by a vey specific section of the split-tailed demographic.
Yep, this article is talking about me all right. And as always, these parasitic bitches are a step ahead in looking to get theirs.
At first i thought it was kind of all right that these chicks who were obviously hot at least at some point in the last decade would be thowing me ass in spite of my…modest living conditions.
This article does line it out nicely though; these twats fucked around an screwed themselves out of getting a draft-pick during the first round so the figure they’ll scout a few free agents and see who’s got a season or two left in him.
Shitty spot to be in, it’s hard to run a strong game on a 20-somthing piece of ass while I’m sporting a t-shirt and sneaks and still pissed bout having to cover the rent…meaning my own AND the that of the charming woman to whom I was blissfully wed… And it’s hard to say no to some desparate 30-something with he tits in your face. It seems unlike the “fairer sex”, I may be able to bullshit them but have harder time bullshitting myself when the chips are down. And make no mistake, in the single Dad scene, the chips are always fucking down.
When all is said and done though, it is good to know it’s no “just me” and that every other “oppressive asshole of a man” getting milked for the last remnance of his self-respect is right there along side me. Besides that, and I think it was mentioned earlier, maybe the most reasonable thing to do is treat them badly just to see the look on their not-as-hot-as-before faces.
-yeah, fuck ‘em. Easier just to rent.

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scot May 9, 2011 at 18:58

I think the younger generation of girls are gonna see the old angry gender-raunch warrior women, as say “screw you” gender-raunch, we want a family and have children instead of a houseful of cats.
The gender-raunch constructionists have been extremely effective over the last 25 years in their attacks on the weakest link of the family unit (the heterosexual male), as witnessed by the hetero-male purgings in American universities and in state and federal bureaucracies. American gender-raunch leaders and constructionists may face an ever growing dis-enchantment from younger generations of women who look around universities and say “where are all the men”??, and why have gender-raunch chased them all away??

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chic noir May 9, 2011 at 19:05

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BobbyL May 9, 2011 at 19:06

No single mothers, no exceptions.

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Seamus the Classicist May 9, 2011 at 19:48

I like Dalrock’s “Bear” analogy. See the bitch broke of the engagement on Facebook after giving me Herpes, and not to mention that she gave me a lot shit in the meanwhile, in the interim year since she disappear I had my jaw broken by some little jerk with a wide right sucker punch. I am afraid that all the misandry and “shit-on-you-I’m-okay-you’re-not” has twisted me into a pretty sadistic jerk.

See because of the incurable nature of Herpes and the fact that prophylactic methods only reduce transmission by about 30%, I am reduced to trying to find a date on an STD dating site. Needless to say having an incurable STD from riding the Alpha Cock Carousel hasn’t changed any of these women, the site still has more men than women (considering the statistic that women with Herpes are 1 in 4 and men are 1 in 5 there should be more women than men,) which means that a lot of women play the “H-bomb” game (waiting to tell the guy and hoping that he will accept them “because”) and they are still as difficult to approach and engage in conversation. As many members here have put it, “their friends and family still tell them that they will find that magic someone,” instead of acknowledging that the problem is the female.

So back to my sadistic streak that is coming to the fore, I will occasionally engage these desperate Herpes Whores (and believe me because of their condition and lack of dates they have steaming thighs) in conversation and butter them up, make them think they have found a special guy (which they have, just not in the way they think) then drop them cold. Talk a few times, get their hopes and then dash them.

And that makes me happy, my ex-finacee’s problem was she needed a regular reaming out and couldn’t control herself like a man, so I use that knowledge of women to emotionally hurt them.

It is mean, it is cruel, but it’s right. After years of empowerment and adulation let them learn that the one thing they will not take for granted is us men as men.

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Seamus the Classicist May 9, 2011 at 19:54

“The marriage strike has not gone that far, as Dalrock proved. It will eventually get there but it will take some time.”

It takes time to develop an effective political action strategy. I mean the marriage strike thing can only go so far, because once you have decided to not do it the action is done.

However there are other things you can do. For example, my cousin is getting married this Fall, this about the only time my family gets together. And I can tell just from the description of this girl (I’ve never met her) that she is gaming like my ex-fiancee, when she is around my cousin’s sister and mother, she is quiet. That can only indicate one thing: she doesn’t want to reveal her hand to females that will side against her.

Needless to say I will not be attending the wedding.

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Bohemian Rockstar May 9, 2011 at 19:59

Thanks for pointing me out.

I’m divorced and have two children and when my ex decided that “she loved me but was not in love with me” it was over.

The funny thing is, she thought the dating market would be like the golden years in her 20s and got a big shock. I thought the same thing and the tables had turned. I had no trouble getting dates and am now in a ltr with a woman with no kids.

So you a right from my experience

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ZenCo. May 9, 2011 at 20:09

Here’s something else from a member of the Over- 40- Crowd: I’m 44 and there are NO women my age without kids. The good news is that these kids are graduating high school/starting college. The bad news is that these women are all over 40. They all fart during sex and are beginning to get that putrid old-age home smell about them. If that doesn’t take the bloom off the rose nothing will.
Yes, the smarter ones wise up and act more concilatory, but by then it really is way-too-fucking-late.
I hope some of our feminist lurkers are reading this. I really don’t mean to be cruel; I’m just giving you snotty young women a taste of YOUR future reality. I’ve been there, done that, and seen just about everything by now.
Why are you American women so hollow inside? So empty and cold?
To me those are the real questions.

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Bohemian Rockstar May 9, 2011 at 20:11

Sorry forgot to add, I never have or will date single mothers and I don’t want any more kids.

I don’t need a mother for my boys where single mothers are looking primarily for a dad and male role model/provider.

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Rebel May 9, 2011 at 20:47

“Herbal Essence May 9, 2011 at 15:34
Opus “English women are dreadful and I gave up on them years ago”

I have seen and heard enough horror about British women (through friends and my time in Europe) to think they may be worse than American women. Or, as bad in different ways.”

Funny you say that. It reminds me of , a long, long time ago, the current myth was that anybody who would marry a British woman was soon to be turned into ice. Brit females were described as sexless.
I want to add that I find British women particularly unattractive and unsexy. By gosh, they are ugly!
It’s a wonder there are still people reproducing on the island.

All my deepest sympathies for British lads.

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Gilgamesh May 9, 2011 at 20:55

False rape society recently ran an article about a young man who was forceably tattooed with the word “RAPEST” and shocked in the genitals with a stun gun after some girl said he raped her. Who give a fuck about women who can’t find a man?

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Andrew S. May 9, 2011 at 21:30

I’m having a good old time watching my aunts, who are all above 50, have government jobs, but have no men in their lives and no prospects, suffer.

Yes, they are my family, but they have done nothing but shit on me when I needed them. Anyways, these women were never much to look at in the first place and it just shows how delusional women are. Instead of being nice to the men in their lives and treating these men with respect, they were selfish and cared mostly about themselves.

I agree and disagree with this article. A smoking hot woman in her forties with children (the few there are) is still going to have options. The insanity of our cultre is that you have a lot of average looking to below average looking women, who didn’t have all that many options when they are young, and fewer and fewer as they age who bought into this empowerment bullshit. These women should be treating men well and not rocking the boat. Instead they act like bitches, and when the well finally dries up its hillarious to watch.

That’s the problem with feminism. Mediocre women start to believe they have options, and always will, just like their more attractive friends or the women they see on tv. But in the end it doesn’t quite work out that way.

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Anonymous age 69 May 9, 2011 at 21:32

>>The marriage strike has not gone that far, as Dalrock proved. It will eventually get there but it will take some time.

The only thing Dalrock proved was he isn’t very good at math. And, by saying he proved something, you have also proved you aren’t very good at math.

One of the most basic rules of math is any time you change the rate of a formula, you change the result. There is a marriage strike, period.

Dalrock is right on a lot of things.This is not a blanket attack on him, but several of us have suggested he talk to someone who knows basic calculus, and he just keeps bleating his nonsense based on a total lack of math basics.

Number of Marriages per 1,000
Unmarried Women Age 15 and
Older, by Year, United States:

1922 99 (found on Web)
1960 73.5
1961 72.2
1962 71.2
1963 73.4
1964 74.6
1965 75.0
1966 75.6
1967 76.4
1968 79.1
1969 80.0
1970 76.5
1972 77.9
1975 66.9
1977 63.6
1980 61.4
1983 59.9
1985 56.2
1987 55.7
1990 54.5
1991 54.2
1992 53.3
1993 52.3
1995 50.8
2000 46.5
2004 39.9
2007 39.2 (Rutgers 2009)
2008 37.4 (Rutgers 2009)
2009 36 (UVA 2010; project moved from Rutgers)

He uses some mumbo jumbo about how many women are married at age 40. Alas, that age bracket were marrying back in the 90′s, look at the drop in marriage rates in that era vs. today. Women of the average age of marriage today by the time they reach 40 will show a different picture.

His, and your, failure to understand the basic math involved does not mean there is no marriage strike.

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TomJW May 9, 2011 at 22:05

AfOR May 9, 2011 at 14:36

I always enjoy your subtility. (Not sarcasm. Just my way of expressing things.)

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Norm May 9, 2011 at 22:05

These are the same women who spent their college years “slutwalking” and “taking back the night” and “clothesline projecting” and every other iteration of man hating who are now wondering why they are not married. I love it….

These are the woman Tom Leykis was mentioning on his radio show. They put up personal ads that they are ready to settle down after having their “fun” in their twenties. He went on to say they put out for every thug, but not for the poor sucker who marries her.

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Maaldweb May 9, 2011 at 22:06

Early 30s here! I can tell you unmarried women of my age are INSANE and DESPERATE at the same time! Something happens to their brain sometime between 31 and 33. There are bitches who wouldn’t even consider looking at me for more than 2 secs back in the university years and now they are all over me!

Now that the tables are turned they even sit patiently listening to my anti-feminist rants biting their lips (you need to see it to believe it!). I am consciously as provoking as I can without insulting them directly (that would make them leave and it would spoil the fun) and at the same time throwing a few compliments at them to ease the pressure and perpetuate their belief I am interested in them . Most of the time the “dates” end up with a nervous breakdown for them. And my Coup de Grâce always is “anyway I am not in a hurry to marry. I think I need to enjoy life more, after all there are immigrant eastern european girls in their mid and early -20s who are interested in me. True they don’t have university degrees, MAs and fancy jobs but those things mean nothing to a man as long as the woman is young, pretty & traditionally minded.”.

There is also the case of those who still remain “proud”, but I avoid that category until they finally break a few years after. They are the most stupid of all of course because by trying to save face they even refuse to go out with average joes of similar age who are genuinely interested in them. These girls simply cannot accept that until a few years ago they had handsome successful men at their feet and now their only option is the guy next door.

BTW W.F.Price I give them the same advice, their best option is someone in his mid 40s or early 50s preferably divorced. Well at that moment they explode and they usually reply “do you think I am that old?????” to which my response is a silent “yes you are, sorry…”-expression. :-D

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TomJW May 9, 2011 at 22:37

Seamus the Classicist May 9, 2011 at 19:54
“…my cousin is getting married this Fall, this about the only time my family gets together. And I can tell just from the description of this girl (I’ve never met her) that she is gaming like my ex-fiancee, when she is around my cousin’s sister and mother, she is quiet. That can only indicate one thing: she doesn’t want to reveal her hand to females that will side against her.”

Talk talk talk to them all. Send them here or any men’s site that will give them the truth. Save your cousin.

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Jack May 9, 2011 at 22:44

As a guy in my 20s, women come no-where close to what the internet can give, to start with you can just walk away and you don’t have to spend any actual money.

Second I would rather have a scientifically made boy, who was designed to be healthy than something made from an inferior female organ.

Women don’t know what loyalty is, I’ve been thought 8 girls (just causal) and none of them have been able to last 1 week (let alone 3 years) of non-slut activity before I even considered dating them.

Women are pathetic emotional wreaks in my eyes, when was the last time you ever saw a group of girls who where actually friends, bitching behind their back the moment one has gone to do something.

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TomJW May 9, 2011 at 22:44

Hope for women over 30? Don’t care.

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Roland3337 May 9, 2011 at 23:16

There’s one thing that has not yet been mentioned in this thread: The idea that a woman with an education and a career, is somehow a better, more attractive option than a woman that does not have either.

I trust that I speak for a great many men when I say…:

LADIES…WE DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR RESUME!!! NEVER HAVE– NEVER WILL. WHERE IN THE BLUE FUCK DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT WE DID???

That last bit was rhetorical. I know where you got that idea: Feminism.

Sorry grrrls. You’ve been lied to.

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I'm a creep; I'm a weirdo May 9, 2011 at 23:22

See, here’s what I don’t get. According to the societal narrative, as an early 20s college student, when the hot 20 year old girls aren’t interested in me, I’m expected to simply live with it, because that’s how life is, and who am I to feel entitled to incoming attraction from the most desirable girls? They simply aren’t attracted to me; that’s their prerogative. Well, fair enough, but why is it that, when men (and I, once I get to this point) revel in the idea of, for once, having the upper hand in sexual matters (i.e., when men can be generally dismissive and still get laid anytime regardless), they are viewed as callous and sociopathic? I’ve noticed that, even among commenters whose sentiments I agree with, there is a tendency for men to accept the societally imposed role of the bitter, sadistic predator (not like there’s anything wrong with that :) ), in spite of the fact that they are simply playing the game by the women’s rules.

In short, men who treat most women with disregard, only occasionally deigning to use them for hedonistic purposes, are doing precisely what women, when they are young and pretty, do without any calculation–no malice, no bitterness, no vindictiveness–and, therefore, I think that men should resist the pejorative characterization imposed upon them by feminists and manginas. Women don’t have any problem being capricious when they have the power, so why should men even acknowledge anything beyond (as all desirable young women do): “well, I can’t help how I feel, stop trying to control me, etc.” When I’m 30, and all of a sudden the roles are reversed, my plan, which involves no calcuation beyond this mantra, is simple: do what feels good, and fuck you if you don’t like it. No reflection, no remorse.

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Jeb May 9, 2011 at 23:24

Women live past thirty?

Huh! How about that? Can’t say I ever recall seeing one. I guess they become invisible.

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demirogue May 9, 2011 at 23:27

No. This society has pretty much produced women that for all intents need to die out.

There’s no changing my mind now that western culture. and how is indoctrinates its women especially, is evil. I simply cannot and will not put my faith into any woman from the west. Period.

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Maaldweb May 9, 2011 at 23:29

@Roland3337

Hey, I’ve already mentioned that in my comment!:-)

None gives a f*ck about a woman’s uni degrees or salary. Somehow women think that getting a ph.d. in post modern art or sociology makes them more attractive to men since they are “successful”. lol
Why women think a man would prefer a wrinkled 35 year old female with a ph.d. in some useless field instead of a 23 year old Mcdonalds employee with a tight ass and smooth skin is beyond me. :-D

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Jeb May 9, 2011 at 23:57

Why women think a man would prefer a wrinkled 35 year old female with a ph.d. in some useless field instead of a 23 year old Mcdonalds employee with a tight ass and smooth skin is beyond me.

Plus, the McDonalds chick can bring home something after work that a man actually wants.

Women are projecting their own sexual desires onto men with the work & owning their own house thing. (Although, from a rational perspective, it does make them lower risk if they have more assets & income). It’s the same thing as chicks thinking their hideous tattoos are sexy. Tattoos on men represent “bad boys” which girls are attracted to, so they go out and tat themselves up like a biker bitch thinking that men will find it attractive too. Nope, sorry toots. Men are attracted to purity and innocence, not biker bitches. Some guys might find tattoos on chicks not too bad, but for me, I won’t even fuck one – or at least, if she’s got a big ass-antler tattoo, she’ll only get sex from me missionary, if I’m slumming. No man ever found a woman undesirable for not having tattoos, but many like me are disgusted by the women who do. Women don’t seem to get it. They make their dating pool enormously smaller by doing it.

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E May 10, 2011 at 00:01

>>The marriage strike has not gone that far, as Dalrock proved. It will eventually get there but it will take some time.

I have read Dalrock’s “Marriage strike?” and the only thing he has proven is math is obviously not his strongest point. (in all fairness he is a much better writer than I am) Anyways, the jist of his argument is that there is no real marriage strike, just people marrying at a much later age thus if we look at the percentage of men who have ever married we find that the overwhelming majority of men have married. For example according to the chart 89% of White men have married by the time they reached age 54. Or to put it another way 11% of men have not.
here’s the chart

While it is true 11% does not equal a massive strike, Dalrock has failed to realize an obvious point. A man who “have ever married” does not necessarily mean still currently married. (especially considering toady’s divorce rate) There’s a lot of men who have gotten married, got burned in divorce court and told themselves, “NEVER AGAIN”

These men count as “have ever married” but they are now single men and will remain so for the rest of their life. So yes there is a marriage strike because there’s a seizable fraction of men within society who are now single and they plan on keeping it that way. A more useful statistic that would prove / disprove the existence of the marriage strike would be one that shows percentage of men currently married at each age bracket, unfortunately none exists. Therefore we can only make an educated guess. I say yes.

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Roy May 10, 2011 at 00:14

This so-called problem can be explained with a simple sine qua non – don’t bother.
Women past the age of 30 will have to wake up to the fact their sell-by-/expiration/biodegradation date is stalking them like an implacable huntress, and she WILL catch them.
Do we care? Should we care? I speak for myself and the answer is an emphatic “NO!” Given the entitlement princess/empowerment mentality of women today (and please don’t even talk to me about NAWALT!), the post-30 woman is a liability and simply not worth it. ‘Nuff said.

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 00:24

excellent analysis Jeb!

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108spirits May 10, 2011 at 00:28

“Is there hope for single women over 30?”

Why a rhetorical question?

Come on now, don’t be that sadistic!

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andybob May 10, 2011 at 00:55

“So clueless. Please, next time put a disclaimer..”

He did. It was called “Lara”.

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fmz May 10, 2011 at 01:39

“She may see you as highly valuable at first but shit a quater is valuable to someone in a 3rd world country.”

OUTSTANDING.

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fmz May 10, 2011 at 02:20

“While it is true 11% does not equal a massive strike…”

The relevant factors are;
1. the rate of change (in this case increasing and accelerating), and
2. critical mass (in this neck of the woods, prolly around 30%, +/-5%).

At the current pace of change, critical mass isn’t that far away. At most a few decades.

Damn, the explosion its gonna be ugly and bootifool at the same time.

l do feel bit sorry for the flat-earthers. Only outta selfish concerns.

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Avenger May 10, 2011 at 02:30

Maaldweeb wrote, ‘Why women think a man would prefer a wrinkled 35 year old female with a ph.d. in some useless field instead of a 23 year old Mcdonalds employee with a tight ass and smooth skin is beyond me’

Is that your only choice? How about some 23 yo who already has an advanced degree? In some places like Russia many girls begin Uni at 16-17 and they do not have useless degrees.
And I doubt that you’re going to find any “hot” 23 year olds working at MickyD’s. Smart good looking females at 23 don’t work at loser’s jobs at a poverty level wage. Someone like that wouldn’t even quality as a fuck buddy let alone a girlfriend.

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Avenger May 10, 2011 at 02:48

Maaldweeb, you’ve obviously been nowhere if you believe “I think I need to enjoy life more, after all there are immigrant eastern european girls in their mid and early -20s who are interested in me. True they don’t have university degrees, MAs and fancy jobs but those things mean nothing to a man as long as the woman is young, pretty & traditionally minded”

Every girl I know from the East has at minimum a Uni degree at 22-23. (it’s 5 yrs there too) They all have jobs too. And “traditionally minded” is obviously some myth you have in your head because it never existed. Females have always worked albeit not too much in men’s fields.

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Lavazza May 10, 2011 at 02:58

To me it seems that “finding a man who will marry them and give them kids” will be the rule to around that age or slightly earlier and being the exception after that. But around me I see a lot of women who beat the odds and I know very few single and childless women around 40. But this situation might be history and women who are now single at 29-33 might stay that way as a rule. We will see. The current trends, as described by Dalrock, are clearly against them anyway. I saw a figure that 25 % of 45 YO women in Stockholm are childless, but that includes women who are sterile or whose partner is sterile, couples who have decided not to have children, women whose partner already have children and who is done with that and so on.

I am a divorced dad in my late forties. When I was still looking in my early forties most women who were interested in me were childless women around 29-33 and all of them lost interest when they saw that I did not want any more children. Now my idea is to go into semi-retirement (taking the winter months off to go to the tropics) when the kids are off to uni in my early to mid fifties (I might start doing that earlier with the help of my ex-wife). I will see what the LTR market looks like at that point and if there are any women around 40 (with grown kids or who have finally given up having kids of their own) I find interestering and what their attitude is. An acquaintance who is a 60 YO grandfather now has a childless 40 YO GF. So it might work out.

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 03:14

@Avenger

Firstly, my point regarding young eastern european (EE) immigrant girls is what I say to women of my age to piss them off. Did you even understand what I wrote in my comment? Secondly, most immigrants from Eastern Europe who live in Western European countries don’t hold university degrees. The young EE girls I was referring to are second generation immigrants (i.e. their parents came to work in w.europe and remained here) who most of the time have working class jobs.

If your knowledge of EE women is limited to dating sites in which all Russian women have university degrees then you might get disappointed the day you find that they usually lie. If you believe what you read on these sites, you are simply an idiot.

Better start reading more carefully the comments you want to comment upon. Moreover, realise that the word is not limited to US, there are several of us here from Europe and the situation in Europe might be a bit more different concerning the EE immigrants. You see for an EE to come to US (s)he needs to get a green card which implies some skills. On the other hand for an EE immigrant to come to western europe he only needs to jump a few fences….

Of course judging by your previous comments (the one on the silver market) in a different article I assume you are just an argumentative troll.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 03:34

OT. Gents. I posted yesterday about uke Borusiewiczs facebook page. I suggest those who wish to support Michael in the loss of his son join his page and add his voice to the call for whoever murdered this boy to brought to justice.

As I mentioned? The women did their usual shit in going ballistic when I even made the SUGGESTION that perhaps a woman might speak out in support of men.

Well? The wimminz have campaigned successfully to have me banned from the site. How about that?

If any young man reading this is in ANY DOUBT that women are a total disgrace in the western women today? Click below and remove all doubt.

And Gents? I’m not going to bother to ask you to spread this far and wide because you’ve already shown your lack of willingness to do anything I ask that is so onerous like cut and past a web link into a few places. Pardon me for asking you do to something so burdensome, eh?

The MRA area gets nowhere because so few of you will DO ANYTHING PARTICULARLY USEFUL. Now. I wonder how many men here will take it on themselves to cut and paste this link into a few places.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/38/postid/378/scope/posts/Default.aspx#378

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 03:58

@Peter Nolan

The MRM is still in its infancy, western men experienced a huge shock with feminism and for years they didn’t know how to respond. In fact a lot are still ignorant of the subject.
Unlike women and minorities, we haven’t developed a strong collective identity as western men, because never before in our history we were under attack as a group. So don’t get disappointed if most here refuse to help other men at the moment or they don’t know how to fight back. Things will change fast when we will finally understand that solidarity is the weapon of the underdog and we are the underdog in the modern feminist-socialist shithole we have been condemned to live.
When we finally wake up and understand that feminists have declared war on us and they’ve hijacked our governments, all hell will break loose and men will retaliate. And if we know something from the wars western men have fought is that they simply pulverise everything that stand against them.

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 04:02

stands*

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 04:04

“Young men are idealists, and really clueless. I was one at one point. I loved the idea of family and children, and could only imagine happy times with kids and domestic intimacy as some kind of heaven on earth. The reality turned out to be far different”

Yes. Welmer. The reality was VERY different from what I was sold. I too thought that ‘happiness requires a permanent woman in my life’. Nope. It doesn’t. Temporary onese will do just fine. I never knew this before. The first time I realised this it BLEW MY MIND. It really did.

Where I am there are PLENTY of women out there who really want a shot at ‘babies and money’ and finding them is pretty easy. I guess it’s not so in the USSA/USSK/KA-NU-DUH.

It is very difficult to get over to young men just how bad being IN a marriage is and how it is EVEN WORSE to go through the process of giving up your kids to allow them to live with a child abuser and to be hated on by women and PLENTY of manginas for standing up for you rights. I tell every young man I meet and I make it very hard for him to walk away and claim ignorance in the future. I have put my story out there. I really hope the lads take note. There is no way they can deny things like my exes court documents and perjury that have been put online. There is no way they can ignore the 5% vs 95% split. I really do hope the lads take note and don’t be so stupid as to think ‘my cupcake is different’.

I have gone to GREAT LENGTHS to gather up evidence that the VAST MAJORITY of women approve of criminal women and will hide them and support them. There is no excuse for any young man who reads these two links to continue to believe his cupcake is different. They are all like this under the surface. Or at least so many as to make it statistically a suicide act to live with a western woman now.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/80/threadid/337/scope/posts/Default.aspx
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/80/threadid/347/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 04:13

One other comment Welmer. I was one man who was the epitome of responsibility. At 23 I had a house with two kids in it. I renovated that house over a period of 5 years and got the second house by the time I was 29. Our second house was in one of the best locations in Sydney. How many men manage to buy their SECOND house in one of the BEST locations in a major city by the age of 29 while paying for two children? Not many. I went hungry MANY days to do that. Indeed. By 1993 I was so ill that a social worker we took my former son to told me to my face that if I did not stop what I was doing I would not make 40. She told me she had NEVER SEEN a man so washed out by the age of 30.

By that time I had established my career at IBM. In one area I was top 10 in the world. And in this new emerging area of Business Intelligence I was learning as fast as I could. I was the ‘go to guy’ for very large DB2 systems for data warehousing with clients like the National Australia Bank and Standard and Chartered Bank. I even invented new data modeling techniques that were used in MANY companies in Australia and around the world.

The very ‘epitome’ of ‘responsibility’.

Now? I spend a LOT of time reading and relaxing. I drink FAR more than when I was married. I eat out most nights. A friend asked me how my weekend was and I told him that I am so happy I even piss myself off!

Yep? I am one of these ‘man-boys’ that the women really hate on. At 47 I am having more fun and enjoyment than I have had since I knuckled down to ‘do good with my studies’ as a 16 year old. I was ‘responsible’ for nearly 30 years. Where did that get me? Broke and hated on by pretty much ALL western women. My life, laid out bare, stands in testimony as to what young men SHOULD NOT DO.

My life now? I’d recommend it to anyone and I know 9,999 out of 10,000 would swap with me in new york minute.

My advice to men who are being hit on by these 30 somethings? Have a good time but do NOT allow the woman to move in with you. She will move on soon enough when she realises you won’t pay for HER and HER children. There will be another one along shortly. Since April 2008 when I re-met the woman who went on to become my fav#1? I have only had the last couple of months without a ‘fav’. And my new fav#5 and I met in October. It’s taken the 6 months or so for her to make it to fav status. In each case it takes 3-6 months for a woman to make it to fav status. For a guy overweight and 44-47? I am really impressed. It’s not like I am a Roissy or Roosh picking up lots and lots of women as a young man. But to go from one woman for 23 years to having two mid term favs and another one turn up as well? I’m happy. I recommend the same. ‘The Better Beta’ had a really good site talking about exactly what I am doing.

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DCM May 10, 2011 at 04:14

“TFH May 9, 2011 at 17:13
Regarding Welmer’s own situation, I still find it odd that his ex-wife’s other man wants custody of Welmer’s children.

Why should he want another man’s children? I would think that in most situations, both the other man and Welmer would want Welmer to have custody of Welmer’s children…

Or is it possible that he is just giving in to what Welmer’s ex-wife wants? If so, perhaps Welmer can, if at all possible, work with the other man to ensure that Welmer’s kids are with Welmer (something both men want).”

The female has probably convinced him to, meaning that he likely has much more wealth than the father and thus will be forced to support the kids and her in better fashion when she gets her next divorce.

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spreefab May 10, 2011 at 04:25

What a good number of them do, seeing that the good prospects are no longer attainable, they find themselves quite literally a ‘sex slave’ from the ghetto or asylum. The highly visible percentages of this insanely anti-social mating strategy can be witnessed on playgrounds from Budapest to Los Angeles.

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Avenger May 10, 2011 at 04:28

maaldweeb-I’m been in Moscow and Russia in general numerous times over the past 10 years.
And Russia is not part of the EU. A girl from Russia still needs a visa to enter the UK. I’ve never bothered with dating sites but I have looked at some of the Russian ones and observed that many of the women are older and usually divorced and have a kid.Female physicians have always been common in Russia so that’s not unusual there.
And kid, I’ve lived in England in the 1960′s as a child. As far as silver, I mentioned that the Hunt Bros. ran the price up to $48 an ounce in 1979 and in dollars that were worth 5-6x as today’s. So even at what you believe is a high $35 is still very far from a high and can still tumble at any time. That $48 an ounce dropped 1/2 its value in less than a week in 1980.

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MWPeak May 10, 2011 at 04:53

“So, for the women who are complaining about men who “won’t grow up,” the problem is that they haven’t considered that there are plenty of men who already have, and got burned for doing so.”

The whole idea of men getting burned because they grew up is sorely missing. In general a man would be considered stupid for stepping into a situation that would do him great hurt. Yet, we expect men to “man-up” and endure the heavy damage for the sake of “maturity” when true maturity would know the difference between a good and bad life decision.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 04:58

Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 03:58
“The MRM is still in its infancy”
Only because those who are in it are stupid and willfully ignorant. If men in the MRM had half a brain to rub together between them then they would have already achieved everthing they claim they wish to achieve.

Men in the MRM are mostly just whining sissies with no balls and no backbone. I video recorded the FIRST instance of a magistrate commiting crimes in a family law matter in November 2009. Just as spearhead was starting up. To this date NO OTHER MAN HAS DONE THIS.

I have published family court documents and transcripts PROVING the crimes I allege. NO OTHER MAN HAS DONE THIS.

I have lawfully noticed all federal politicians and NSW State politicians that they are accessories to MASSIVE crimes and that I shall put them on trial. NO OTHER MAN HAS DONE THIS.

I have lawfully noticed all police officers in Aiustralia of the fact they have NO POWER OF INCARCERATION and that they will be held accountable for any false arrest or kidnapping from April 1. I have advised them that income tax, alimony and child support are voluntary and the may not interfer with any man who rescinds consent to pay these extotionate amounts and all such men will be protected by our new courts. NO OTHER MAN HAS DONE THAT.

I have now done LOTS of things that NO OTHER MAN HAS DONE. I’ve asked for assistance from men in the MRM? Guess what? Almost non-existent. I am currently working on getting the world passport to work, a key element in being free, and noone in the MRM area is helping me.

Some people here don’t like me calling men STUPID and WILLFULLY IGNORANT and a bunch of PUSSIES and COWARDS. That’s fine. If they can show me evidence that those labels are not appropriate for MOST MEN in the MRA area? I’d be intereted in seeing it. SOME MEN like anon69 have done all they knew to do so I can’t fault them for that.

But NOW men know that the guvments, courts, lawyers, cops are ALL in on the game and are a criminal conspiracy as a cartel? They have NO EXCUSE to not be issuing lawful notices like I am issuing and creating their own courts like Roger Hayes is doing in the UK, Sam Kennedy in the US, John Wilson and many others doing in Australia. No excuse at all.

The MRM is in it’s ‘infancy’ because it’s populated by a bunch of BABIES and MEN are very rare.

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 05:00

To Avenger troll

You wrote: “a girl from Russia still needs a visa to enter the UK”

It may come as a surprise to you but the UK is not the only Western European country and last time I checked I never said I am British or that I live in the UK… Additionally, Eastern European immigrants are not always Russians (there are Poles, Hungarians, Moldavians, Bulgarians, Romanians to name but a few). You are obviously unfamiliar with illegal immigration in continental Europe (actually you seem pretty ignorant of the issue of illegal immigration in the UK as well). Furthermore, you don’t seem very strong in European geography either.

Please stop trolling.

PS I don’t give a flying f**** about what you think regarding silver. I don’t buy silver or gold. I prefer to spend my money on my gun collection. Guns>anything (except food) in a SHTF scenario.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:01

Dalrock.
http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/hypergamous-arms-race-revenge-of-the-nerds/

A good point. I was talking to my fav#4 one day about this very point I told her words to the effect.

“The ONLY thing that protects women from men who lie to them is other men. Us good men, when we see a ‘player’ who is conning a woman that he wants ‘wife and children’, we tell you women he is a player so you can know not to date him. But now that your sisters have lied to us so much and stolen our children so much? I see a LOT of men who are no longer warning women of ‘players’. Indeed? I have been honest with you and told you I didn’t want children. But if I had lied to you and told you I did? You would have no way to know I was lying because of my track record of ‘wife and children’. This is the danger you women are now in. You are in the danger that men will NOT warn you about ‘players’.”

You should have seen the look on her face when I explained this to her. Such a mixture of shock and horror you can barely believe it. She ‘got it’ right away.

I like the anaology of ‘the bear’.

And pleeeeaaaasssseeee. Does ANY man here have any real objection if men lie to women about ‘yes I really do want a wife and children, I just haven’t found “the one” yet’. Give me a break. After all the perjury women have supported? I would NEVER criticise a man for lying to a woman ever again. They lied to us first and were unrepentant about it.

Opus May 9, 2011 at 15:17
“English women are dreadful and I gave up on them years ago”
Yep…I can vouch for that. And there is so much competition by men for the few hot eastern women around I decided it was not worth the effort. You english guys pay your foreign women WAY too much attention and give them WAY too much money. German men have got that one all figured out.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:03

Opus May 9, 2011 at 14:19
“America must be very different”

Opus. The child support benefits are MUCH higher in the UK meaning that it is MUCH more likely a woman in the UK will get the baby from ‘some guy in the bar’ because she knows full well in the UK that the state will rob you blind for your ‘taxes’ and give it to her to live a very comfortable life.

Here is what is possible in the UK. This is not possible in the US.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1318028/As-families-face-benefits-cuts-Kelly-Marshall-spent-4-500-BOOB-JOB.html

AntZ May 9, 2011 at 14:23
“2) Artificial womb technology. This makes gender irrelevant to reproduction.”
Actually there is no need. Men could, today, ring fence some women as ‘breeders’ and sterilise the rest of them so they are really ‘equal’. After all? Men can not produce babies. So women who are ‘equal’ must be sterilised so as not the be able to produce babies. Now? Hands up all you women who want to be THAT equal?

Angry Harrys article on ‘men have bred dogs and cattle, why not women’?

You know what I see happening? I see that once men realise that prostitution is lawful and they explain to the cops that they will defend their right to have sex with any woman who agrees the price? The whole current social order is going to collapse. The hot women are going to realise they can make their living in 10 years or so from prostitution and then find some beta loser at a later date.

The women who do NOT want to have sex for money will have to pretty much give it up on the first date because the man can get sex from a hot prostitute for what will become a nominal fee due to the massive supply that will come onto that market. That is if men allow it to be voluntary. Men might decide that they have had enough of all this shit and decide that they will ring fence some women as breeders, some as hookers, and the rest as workers. What are the women going to do? Fight back? LOL!!

If men every realise, as a large group, that ringfencing women gets the men everything they want? They will do it. Who is going to ‘defend the women’? Not me. Not you. Not the next guy either.

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Sedulous May 10, 2011 at 05:07

“Is There Hope for Single Women Past 30?”

Until no-fault divorce, Family Court and false DV laws change…

NO.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:07

Avenger May 10, 2011 at 04:28
“A girl from Russia still needs a visa to enter the UK. ”
I’ve been working in Russia as well. The Illuminati are making it VERY easy for a woman from Russia to get a visa to come the west now. All part of the integration into a single world government. Russia and the EU are about to be ‘integrated’.

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Carnivore May 10, 2011 at 05:08

@Jeb
“It’s the same thing as chicks thinking their hideous tattoos are sexy. Tattoos on men represent “bad boys” which girls are attracted to, so they go out and tat themselves up like a biker bitch thinking that men will find it attractive too. Nope, sorry toots. ”

Tramp stamp. Bitch bar code.

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Guy May 10, 2011 at 05:22

“Dehbashi May 9, 2011 at 14:36
Well, if you got women like this then no.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/mother_daze_for_pop_after_lover_wbLBC2SIsneFCjL5ubv5GM

She bothers him at 7 in the morning about a gift and when he says he doesn’t have one she assaults him and is proud of it.”

Lol. Top Commenter (I shit you not):

“He looks like a deadbeat. I’m glad she did it. Message to deadbeat. Its Mothers Day, because your baby is 8 months old, its your job to make the babys mother feel special once a year on Mothers Day. Here is a good way to avoid the pot next year, wake up early, make her breakfast in bed, flowers, or balloons, and you do alll the chores for the day. If its a nice day outside take her and the baby for a walk in the sunshine. Do this until your child is old enough to make mom feel good about being a mother once a year theirself.
That’s how you do it. Ithe story about dinner and balloons, We’re not buying it. Where’s the card?”

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:23

I guess she’s showing Arnie who is boss around here. Isn’t this the woman who crowed so loudly about how women are now the head of the household and the leaders in amercia? Hmmm????

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1385396/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-wife-Maria-Shriver-separate-25-years-marriage.html

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 05:25

@Nolan

You wrote: “I video recorded the FIRST instance of a magistrate commiting crimes in a family law matter in November 2009″

I am pretty sure that is illegal in the EU. At the moment you cannot ask people to commit illegal acts.
In every struggle there are those who will be always a step ahead. You are one of them. You are a pilgrim and I am not exaggerating at all, others will follow your steps, but most of us haven’t reached the boiling point yet. Why? Because firstly we haven’t personally experienced what you have experienced and secondly because (as I mentioned earlier) we haven’t learned to help other men nor to expect help.

It took the feminists more than 1 century (with heavy support by the banker elite) to change the laws in their favour and they were helped by the historical process (WW1 & 2 ruined Europe and made European men weak and susceptible to liberalism and marxism) as well. How long have the Spearhead, the AVfM radio been out? 2-3 years?
I learned about the MRM a few months ago and by accident. Previously I thought I was the only man on earth who had reached the conclusion that feminism is all out war against men. I knew nothing of the laws against fathers passed by the feminist-neocommunist coalition. In fact I still know very few at the moment since I haven’t been married or divorced. Every time I speak to friends about the whole issue they look at me with distrust, I have managed to turn some but to undo the feminist indoctrination is a long process.
Give it a bit time. I am a pessimist by nature, BUT this is the only subject I believe things will improve. Men will wake up eventually and when that happens heads will roll…!

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:32

OT….woman stands up to robber…..and is beaten to a pulp? How can this be? After all she’s ‘equal’? How could he possibly beat her to a pulp? I just can’t understand it!

/sarcasm off

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385471/Woman-40-left-shattered-face-railway-muggers-brutal-attack.html

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Danger May 10, 2011 at 05:35

You can opt out of the single mother plague that has hit the US, but only to a point.

Like it or not, your $$ and labor will continually be harvested from taxes to social programs so that you may support them and their bastards.

Liberals call this “the right thing to do” and that it “takes a village”.
Conservatives call this “helping women who have been taken advantage of by thugs”.

A person who sees through the matrix calls this what it really is, slavery. Vote accordingly.

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SingleDad May 10, 2011 at 05:39

Arnold isn’t even out of office for a year and Maria doesn’t need him anymore so he’s out.

It would be funny but they had 4 kids.

The terminator terminated by a grandma, he won’t “Be Back”.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:48

Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 05:25
“I am pretty sure that is illegal in the EU. At the moment you cannot ask people to commit illegal acts.”

It is illegal in Australia too. But you are stupid and ignorant and don’t know the difference between illegal and unlawful despite the fact I reiterated it AGAIN just yesterday. I really do wish stupid and ignorant men like you would READ before you open your mouth and reveal your stupidity and ignorance, eh?

‘Legal’ referes to LEGISLATION which is NOT LAW and does NOT APPLY to human beings.

‘Lawful’ referes to LAW which DOES apply to human beings.

I video recorded this court meeting LAWFULLY.

NO LEGISLATION of ANY COUNTRY applies to me. If you don’t know how to do that? Then read this book. I am REALLY SICK AND TIRED of STUPID AND IGNORANT MEN here refusing to learn the difference between LAW and LEGISLATION.

You men are ‘sick and tired’ of me TELLING you the difference? Well how do you think I feel about how STUPID AND IGNORANT you are that in the 18 months I have been here on the spearhead telling you this barely ANY of you have bothered to learn this very simple fact.

“Legislation only gains the force of law by the consent of the governed”.

If you choose not to be governed the legislation does not apply to you.

Nope. Too willfully ignorant to learn even that one sentence.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/1/threadid/223/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 05:51

PAN.

Before you get totally carried away with your own work and efforts. (and yes it is admirable, to a point ) You are increasingly coming across as a ” destroyer”. Perhaps you forget? You would not be posting on sites such as this if it had not been for the incredibly brave spade work of the pioneers such as Angryharry.

Cool yer jets man. A lot of what you have done is interesting and probably ground breaking. However, much more and very important work has been done by giving us all the foundations and infrastructure to develop. With respect, long before you started on your journey. Continual insults at men does nothing for your sales pitch. Infact, it will simply turn them off and make us older MRA types highly suspicious of your true motives.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:55

Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 05:25
“Men will wake up eventually and when that happens heads will roll!”

We are already going to put every federal politician in Australia on trial.

If other men are prepared just just sit there with their head up their arse waiting for ‘other men to wake up and then head will roll’ you go ahead and be my guest. Me? I’m not prepared to wait because in Australia an estimated 4,000 men kill themselves every year. You also seem to not know the Illuminati want to reduce the global population down to 500M people. If not stopped heads will roll all right. 90% chance yours will be one of them.

Now? You want to sit there and do nothing waiting for the cull to come? Or do you want to act proactively and attempt to stop the killing of 6 billion people?

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/97/threadid/196/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 06:00

Hey Avenger

You seem to have so much knowledge on finances, especially Silver.

Can you tell me and others again why the US Dollar is not a Fiat currency? Please ? I am still grinning from the last time lol.

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 06:14

@Nolan

You don’t have to be aggressive, I am on your side. I hope you will get that eventually…

As for the Illuminati conspiracy argued by Makow, I think he has legitimate interest to ignore the fact that the banker elite is exclusively made of jewish supremacists, since he is ethnically jewish himself.

I don’t think there is a plan for population reduction atm. If that was the case then India and China would be the first targets of feminism. The only population the jewish banker elite wants to eliminate is whites(hence the unleash of feminism upon us).

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Wulf May 10, 2011 at 06:14

A woman’s high status career means nothing to men who are not gigolos.
-Roissey

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 06:28

Maaldweb

I noticed from one of your earlier posts that you are very new to this scene?

You will soon learn and be able to figure out which posters are genuine and which are here for alternative reasons. You will develop a sort of sixth sense. Try and keep in mind that there are quite a few trolls and disinfo posters that, for whatever reason, want to cause upset and splits on sites such as this. Some posters are just angry confused guys some are very angry and rightly so. Sadly a few are just full of BS and like to appear as something they are not. You will eventually be able to spot the trolls just by a quick quality analysis of what they said in previous posts.

Learn to trust your instincts. They are never wrong. We have just been trained to ignore them or turn them off.

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AfOR May 10, 2011 at 06:30

Sigh…

PAN is, sadly, one of either two things, he is either great troll, or he is certifiable…

If there is an illuminati, then they would “disappear” troublemakers like him, all it takes is a false rape accusation, a spot of DNA evidence planted, and job’s done.

If he is not disappeared, then there is no illuminati…

Recording video or audio in a UK or EU Court is wildly illegal, you’ll go to prison, and your “evidence” being illegally obtained is legally inadmissible when you try to get the Judge nailed…..

ANY CUNT can put people on notice that their rules do not apply to me.

_______ENFORCING_______ it is another ball game entirely….. lacking the US Military as your pet security force you are shit out of luck.

I have BEEN imprisoned, I have met people who have tried to do what PAN waffles about as far back as the 70′s, and if I was older I doubt it was new then, and as soon as they became sufficiently annoying, into prison they went.

It used to be referred to as being “processed”, basically it went like this;

1/ take away your liberty, you didn’t have to be sectioned or convicted, remanded would do.

2/ observe “difficult” and “worrying” behaviour on your part, section you.

3/ when sectioned, you undergo a barrage of tests, basically you are given a dose of every drug going, once a day and monitored, never tried heroin and opiates and coke and ludes before, you will have now, back to back.

4/ prescribe chemical cosh and possible electrotherapy.

I KNOW MEN THIS WAS DONE TO PERSONALLY, my mate Grant went in an ace intuitive natural mechanic, he came out three months later with an effective IQ of around 70, on lifetime mental disability, and if he is boarding the bus and getting his fare ready and you distracted him by asking him the time he had to get off the fucking bus and wait for the next one.

He was scarily similar to PAN, before, banging on about how the Magna Carta was not signed and the fucking illuminati and masons were out to fuck up society and manhood.

You yanks who go on about gun ownership want to listen to Ritchie Pryor, he shot his fucking car, and as he said, cops have guns too, and they don’t shoot cars, they shoot niggers, Ritchie went off to joliet for a short stay…

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 06:38

@Oddsock

Thanx for your comment. Indeed I am really new to the whole thing. I discovered inmalafide by accident a few months ago, then I found The Spearhead.
I can understand the anger of some people who have been beaten to pulp by feminism. I just don’t get the anger toward those who are on their side:)

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DirkJohanson May 10, 2011 at 06:40

It seems like a lot of single women in their late 30s manage to haul-in omegas with money, or at least a good job, and even lower betas, if the woman has a good job, too.

Good luck to those guys. I’ll keep spending less on banging PFP hotties in their 20s.

Maybe I will end up settling down with one of those 30-somethings – but not until I’m at least 60.

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oddsock May 10, 2011 at 06:53

Maaldweb

@Oddsock

Thanx for your comment. Indeed I am really new to the whole thing. I discovered inmalafide by accident a few months ago, then I found The Spearhead.
I can understand the anger of some people who have been beaten to pulp by feminism. I just don’t get the anger toward those who are on their side:)

No problem. As you know, we will find disagrement and misunderstanding in everyday life but on sites like this the anger can blur and confuse the thoughts and often times the message of a post. Like I said, trust your instincts and don’t get drawn into ego battles and who has the biggest dick type arguments, they are mostly designed or set up by a troll or destroyer. They then sit back and watch to see if it will cause the split and ultimate destruction of the site.

Support others, do not insult without good cause and if you dont agree just say so and perhaps why then move on. Or just ignore the post. Very simple.

Welcome to the first bite of the red pill. Enjoy !

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Aharon May 10, 2011 at 07:14

Maaldweb wrote: “The only population the jewish banker elite wants to eliminate is whites(hence the unleash of feminism upon us)”.

(sarcasm on) More conspiracy proof is how Israeli society is being hit hard by feminism with Israeli Jewish men and children suffering as do men and children in the West (sarcasm off).

The West, including America’s, own Jewish population is also being chewed up and greatly reduced by feminism. That means lower Jewish population and less influence in politics. More than anything else, feminism is destroying Jewish unity and traditions. Feminism is the enemy within the gates of the Jews. Get real.

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scot May 10, 2011 at 07:17

Ive been getting some shit from friends of mine by suggesting that the “manufactured statistics Alliance” between American law enforcement and the gender-feminist community, that is “Empowering” the American gender feminist community, is unconstitutional.
Ive suggested that when American law enforcement engage in “protocol perversions” and “semantics games” to in effect feed gender-feminists their “Empowerment rhetoric”, that is an act that is beyond the duties that the US. constitutions “policing powers clauses” allows them to engage in.
I went on to comment that there are many perversions that rest upon this solid foundation of the “first perversion”.

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Rumour May 10, 2011 at 07:17

A little off topic, but here’s a “tragic” story of about a woman losing custody of her kids.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385143/Alaina-Giordano-loses-custody-children-breast-cancer.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Can you imagine an article like this for a father?

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Dehbashi May 10, 2011 at 07:45

“I guess she’s showing Arnie who is boss around here. Isn’t this the woman who crowed so loudly about how women are now the head of the household and the leaders in amercia? Hmmm????

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1385396/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-wife-Maria-Shriver-separate-25-years-marriage.html

Peter, It’s not surprising. As Single Dad said,

“Arnold isn’t even out of office for a year and Maria doesn’t need him anymore so he’s out.

It would be funny but they had 4 kids.

The terminator terminated by a grandma, he won’t “Be Back”.

He isn’t useful to her anymore since she can’t get all the free perks as being the governor’s wife. And she can’t get any higher on the political pole especially US president since he’s not a natural born US citizen. So she rolled out on him.

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 07:46

@Aharon

Cut the crap please. Feminism was essentially a jewish movement. All major feminists were jewish especially the 2nd wave feminists (Dworkin, Steinem etc).
Cultural marxism the twin sister of feminism (in fact all feminists were essentially cultural marxists) was the product of the Frankfurt School which was solely jewish (Marcuse, Adorno, Horkheimer etc)
How about you do some research? Kevin MacDonald’s books are a good start, especially The Culture of Critique.

Of course if you are jewish yourself I don’t expect you to ever admit it.

If some jews have been affected by the feminist poison as well, that means nothing. Communism was as well an essentially jewish movement nevertheless Ben Gurion (a socialist-zionist himself) was an ardent anti-communist and persecuted jewish communists in Palestine. Moreover, nowadays the communist party in Israel supports the Arabs. Such irregularities exist in history but say nothing about the primary motives and movers behind an ideology.

How about you get real?

PS Learn to distinguish between the liberal jewish bankers of NY who are essentially followers of Spinoza from the zionist Jews of Israel. Despite their common hatred toward Europeans, they act differently sometimes.

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Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 07:53

@oddsock

“Support others, do not insult without good cause and if you dont agree just say so and perhaps why then move on. Or just ignore the post. Very simple.”

I tend to be really strong-minded most of the times, but I know that pretty much everyone here is on the same side.

“Welcome to the first bite of the red pill. Enjoy !”

Thank you!

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Dalrock May 10, 2011 at 08:21

@E
While it is true 11% does not equal a massive strike, Dalrock has failed to realize an obvious point. A man who “have ever married” does not necessarily mean still currently married. (especially considering toady’s divorce rate) There’s a lot of men who have gotten married, got burned in divorce court and told themselves, “NEVER AGAIN”

I’ve mentioned this several times but it seems to bear repeating. A man who marries an older, less hot woman who then divorces him isn’t a marriage striker. The whole point of divorce theft is to marry and then extract the wealth. Once that is done, it is done. From the point of view of the potential divorce thief, each man taking the hit once is all they need.

There does however appear to be a remarriage strike , which I have also detailed on my blog.

I have read Dalrock’s “Marriage strike?” and the only thing he has proven is math is obviously not his strongest point.

If I’ve gotten the math wrong, why not help me out by showing me my math error?

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Dalrock May 10, 2011 at 08:41

@Anon age 69
One of the most basic rules of math is any time you change the rate of a formula, you change the result. There is a marriage strike, period.

Dalrock is right on a lot of things.This is not a blanket attack on him, but several of us have suggested he talk to someone who knows basic calculus, and he just keeps bleating his nonsense based on a total lack of math basics.

Number of Marriages per 1,000
Unmarried Women Age 15 and
Older, by Year, United States:

The problem with the metric is it is strongly influenced by the percentage of adult women who are unmarried at any given time. If over time women marry later and divorce sooner this creates an expanding pool of unmarried women. So the # marriages per 1,000 unmarried women can decline dramatically even if the population and the number of weddings each year remain constant.

This is in fact most of what the change in the metric has measured. The Marriage Project folks state on P. 64 of their report that they pulled this data from the Census. The table they pulled the bulk of their data from shows the number of weddings per year was actually increasing slightly while the rate per 1,000 unmarried women was dramatically declining. I’ve explained this in greater detail with links to all of the sources on my post Driving a stake in the heart of the US marriage strike myth.

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SingleDad May 10, 2011 at 08:44

@ Maaldweb

I am not jewish but believe that feminism is hurting Jewish people in the US, where I live and know that numbers, more.

The reasons I disagree are below, but more importantly, does it do the MRM any good to be sidetracked by attacking different cultural groups and ethnic groups? I don’t think so. As a matter of fact I think it is harmful to show our divisions so publicly.

Men will always have predudices and concerns of things like nationality, race etc. It’s probably inevitable that men will have different allegiances but what we need to concentrate on is our similarities in issues regarding fighting feminism. I would love to feel confidant my son will get a good education, free from sexual harrasment and be able to get a job, even if it means little princess doesn’t get one. If he is more qualified.

But I don’t feel like that today. All men should feel this way because the stated goal of feminism is world hegemony. They have the powers that be on their side, the force of the UN and the largest military machine the world has ever seen.

And we bicker about jews, or whites or gays. It doesn’t matter. At least not here, IMO.

With regard to population control, I absolutely think this is about population control.

Population control did start in China, as you predicted it would. I know you know this so I am confused about your statement. China has a very feminist one child policy and forced baby killing, abortion.

In the US we have volentary baby killing and it is poor catholics that are having the bulk of children. On the news this morning it was made clear that white women are not reproducing. They are having less children and having them later in life.

In the US, Jews are considered white and I think the above applies to them so indeed, feminism is killing the already small jewish population.

Total christian pop us, 1990: 151 mill, 2008: 173 mill, jewish 1990: 3.1 mill, 2008: 2.7 mill:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0075.pdf

I don’t think US Jews will do well producing generations of retarded Hannah Rosens:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/

Look at the video. She is the poster girl for sheeple, training her daughter to hate men openly televised and documented. And a womans study professor to boot….a pig amongst piggies.

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Ken May 10, 2011 at 08:49

Excellent article that is true to form on the subject.
As a lifelong bachelor myself this hits the nail on the head!
A man with children is far less a liability than a woman with children from someone else. There was once a stigma on out-of-wedlock child bearing (on single womens’ part) and maybe it was there for a good reason? :)

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misterb aka misterbastard May 10, 2011 at 09:06

Given what goes on in a woman’s head. She would cheat on her … friend aka tango partner.

All ready feminists had made revisions in regards to common law marriage. They introduced misandric laws, same sex marriage, to destroy the gender barriers. After the gender barriers collapse things gone down hill after that. They introduced gender neutral bible, promote hateful laws that would enslave the future generations.

Is there hope for single women past thirty? It aint gonna happen.

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misterb aka misterbastard May 10, 2011 at 09:18

There is one type that sexualizes dominance over others.

I noted that some in the MRM don’t take kindly to weakness. And weakness deserves no mercy Long as feminists and their moles exists man would be in deep shit.

if you don’t understand the meaning of the word feminist, take your head out of the sand.

A feminist is a feminized man. 1 Basically a feminist is a man with with boobs, internal reproductive organs. 2. A man is a self professed feminist.

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Denis May 10, 2011 at 09:20

I have to agree that there is no hope for single mothers over 30.

However, personally I have several good friends (with benefits) who are single mothers over 30. Sometimes we get together with our kids, sometimes we bang. If they become a bother then they can GTFO.

I don’t feel sorry for them, they know that they are at the bottom of the barrel.

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Dehbashi May 10, 2011 at 09:27

“Rumour May 10, 2011 at 07:17
A little off topic, but here’s a “tragic” story of about a woman losing custody of her kids.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385143/Alaina-Giordano-loses-custody-children-breast-cancer.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Can you imagine an article like this for a father?”

There was one. A woman was trying to move from Ireland, where the dad was, to Australia with their 2 daughters for her own selfish desires. The dad obviously fought this saying it would be better to stay in Ireland. The mangina judge sided with the mom saying the dad could always use Skype to talk with them. And of course, the wimminz sided with you know who.

So sorry, women. It got turned on you guys so get used to it.

And we all know that this story is bullshit. Look at how she is taking shots at the judge not only for her ruling, but whether Nancy Gordon had her “qualifications” to be a family court judge. That tells me all I need to know that she is lying that her husband was abusive.

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Dehbashi May 10, 2011 at 09:33

“Here is what is possible in the UK. This is not possible in the US.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1318028/As-families-face-benefits-cuts-Kelly-Marshall-spent-4-500-BOOB-JOB.html

I love the links you bring up since it brings up the bullshit and arrogance about women.

I love the fact in the article how she talks about how she deserves all the stuff she has gotten even though she hasn’t work jack in her life. She even mocks her mom for working and paying off taxes. Must be because she was playing the victim status like you, whore.

She doesn’t have any shame.

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TomJW May 10, 2011 at 09:46

Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 10, 2011 at 05:32

What? A ‘petite’ women couldn’t beat up her assailant?

Maybe she should sue movie producers for giving her false expectations – lol.

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van Rooinek May 10, 2011 at 10:04

“…In the US we have volentary baby killing and it is poor catholics that are having the bulk of children. On the news this morning it was made clear that white women are not reproducing. They are having less children and having them later in life…”

I see vast hordes of white kids at church. Not catholic or poor, either; mainly middle class evangelicals. I hear that LDS and trad-cath whites are similar. Simply put, religious whites are reproducing at a high rate.

It’s only the white liberals that are contracepting, aborting, and sodomizing themselves to extinction. And good riddance.

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Benjones May 10, 2011 at 10:45

Older woman are smarter… But not by nearly enough.

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Quartermain May 10, 2011 at 12:10

@TomJW

“Maybe she should sue movie producers for giving her false expectations – lol.”

I would love to see that. In fact I would to see massive lawsuits and boycotts against the Hollyweird propaganda establishment until they are bankrupted never to be able to produce anymore of their crap again.

Okay, it’s not probable but it’s a thought that puts a smile on my face.

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Quartermain May 10, 2011 at 12:13

http://www.henrymakow.com/sexlove_as_a_complex_control_s.html

Though I might throw this out to whoever maybe interested.

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misterb aka misterbastard May 10, 2011 at 13:36

If you decide to go into a relationship with a woman who is in thirties. Bear in mind that you cock-cold her former below the belt grinding partner, or a divorcee. She would talk shit about her former … hip grinding friend below the belt. Not to mention the consequences that would soon follow, false Domestic Violence accusation and hundred others.

In addition she would mooch off you.

if she lives in nice place, kids spoiled rotten. red flag is raised. Alimony paid for her creature comforts. Mooching off from child support

Today’s women want to screw around like a hooch looking for a bitch in heat. They don’t know what they want. A particular woman could have issues, she could be a narcissistic psychopath. or a number of reasons, or perhaps could be a one screwy woman, with too many screws loose.

if you’re a have extra dough in your bank account. The moment she catches the whiff of it. The flabby slob become sultry as a belly dancer. If you’re an average schmoe, she would blow on your pipe

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Eric May 10, 2011 at 13:45

Dalrock:

I don’t think it ultimately matters whether there’s an organized Marriage Strike or not. Men are being driven to a de facto strike simply in the interests of their own self-preservation. I myself dropped out of the US relationship market about six months before I ever even read an MRA blog. I know of a lot of men who are participating in a ‘marriage strike’ without even knowing that sites like these exist.

Women’s own attitudes and actions are forcing men to seek alternatives to relationships with them. Did you read AntZ’s post extolling technological alternatives to women? I’ve read some of the ‘fembot’ websites and can truthfully state that a typical American male would be hard-pressed to come up with any reason why a relationship to an American woman is preferrable to one with a robot. That women have sunk to this level is really disgusting.

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fmz May 10, 2011 at 21:21

Is there any hope for woeminz over 30.

Hope is all they have.

Who lives in hope, dies in dispair.

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E May 10, 2011 at 22:45

Dalrock said…
“If I’ve gotten the math wrong, why not help me out by showing me my math error?”

Using year 2009 data,
you are trying to suggest that because 89% of men “have ever married” therefore there must be only 11% of men out there who are choosing to be single. That’s not true. The number is much higher because of divorce rates.

Furthermore it’s important to note not every divorced man gets completely cleaned out. There’s plenty of divorced men who have been able to recover. Sure it may cost them 5 years of their life to get back to the financial position they had before, but they got back. These men count as “marriage strikers” because of their strong financial position they are eligible bachelors but they have no intention of marrying.

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W.F. Price May 11, 2011 at 01:09

WF Price

Single women don’t want you as a partner because you are a dad, they dislike you because you have nothing decent to say about women and are generally a creepy kinda a guy.

There is hope for single women, but not for you maybe?

-Kave

Kave, you are a pornographer and/or prostitute. It’s kind of laughable to see you calling people “creepy.” Perhaps I should look into what you’re up to in Victoria, eh?

lol

Avenger May 11, 2011 at 06:09

Dad, I can tell you that those statistics are wrong.
Total christian pop us, 1990: 151 mill, 2008: 173 mill, jewish 1990: 3.1 mill, 2008: 2.7 mill:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0075.pdf

First of all, I don’t recall the census forms even asking about religion or requiring that you answer it. You’ll also notice that there are 30 million listed as no religion and another 12 million who did not answer. You can be sure that many of these people are Jews.

Just in NY State with a population of 20m, 10% are Jews. That’s 2 million right there.
And btw, Jews are classified as an ethnic group in Russia and the East where most of them lived. They are Khazar in origin and from a Caucasian area of Western Asia. W Asia was one of the original Caucasian homelands along with Europe and North Africa but of course areas have changed over the past thousand years. The Khazars were Shamanists who converted to this old Hebrew cult about 1000 years ago when countries like Russia became Christian and those to the South, Muslim. And btw, The Talmud written by the Rabbis are their main books not the Old Testament. The average redneck Baptist knows the Bible better than the average Jew. Those loose collections of clans and tribes referred to as the Hebrews in the Mid East are not related to Khazars and were just descendants of the Old European group that lived in the southern areas like Egypt, Babylon, Persian, Iraq etc etc which also changed over time. What holds the Khazars (Jews) together is ethnicity reinforced by their cult and the control of their leaders (Rabbis) This is why you can be an atheist or Buddhist and still be a Jew(Khazar) and in fact Israel goes by ethnicity not religion although of course they’d like you to be part of the cult too and follow the rules but it is not necessary. Most people are confused about this because they think in terms of religion and don’t understand that the term Khazar and Jew became synonymous in the past till eventually the name Jew became dominant and Khazar forgottten.Religions don’t hold people together but ethnicity will especially when you are foreigners in the places where you live and are only thinking of what benefits your group and have no kinship to the local people and may even want to weaken and destabilise the dominant populace.You can be very sure that every Jew knows exactly who he is even if he calls himself an atheist and has never set foot in the Temple.

And btw, over 10% of the US Congress are Jews and 13% of the Senate as well as half the other gov’t positions and those are only the ones who admit it and are not hiding their identity. Remember Kerry? The guy is 100% Jewish so was Albright. No reasonable person would believe you didn’t know this about your grandparents lol

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 09:36

oddsock May 10, 2011 at 05:51
PAN.
Before you get totally carried away with your own work and efforts. (and yes it is admirable, to a point ) You are increasingly coming across as a ” destroyer”. Perhaps you forget? You would not be posting on sites such as this if it had not been for the incredibly brave spade work of the pioneers such as Angryharry.

Hi Oddsock.
AngryHarry and Zed and MANY other guys have put in a HUGE amount of work that I openly acknowledge. Same goes for guys like Robert Menard, John Harris, Paul Verge and MANY others. Stephen Baskervilles book is also a masterpiece.

However, what really caught my attention was that NO-ONE seemed to actually want to create a REMEDY. Pretty much ALL MRAs focus on ‘we have to change the system’. This is very clear if you look at what MRAs are doing. Indeed? I went down that path as well early on. I even created web sites etc down that path and was readying them for ‘going public’.

But unlike ANY other MRA I shut my mouth and opened my eyes and read and watched everything I could about ‘feminism’ and ‘guvment’. I spent about 1,000 hours doing so. At that time I also started posting to the Sydney Morning Herald relationships blog to propose open debate on the topic of the anti-male laws in what is the leading newspaper in Australia. This was the ONLY place I used my real name. So imagine my surprise when the Illuminati sent a stooge to offer me a job inside two weeks. At that time I didn’t know they existed. I was still in ‘that is all too fantastic to be true.’ But when they offer you job and use the words “We need people like you to help bring in the New World Order”? Well? That’s good enough for me.

That incident ‘pinged’ me to the fact the newspapers were completely controlled by the Illuminati. It also pinged me to the fact that they knew what I was proposing to do and they felt that making me an offer might distract me from taking them on. It meant that they felt I was worth distracting. That was July 2008. So I thought if the newspapers are completely controlled by the Illuminati? What about the guvment and the courts? Hhhmmm? So I read more and more about law, legislation, statues etc. It was finally Rob Menard who provided the key idea that I needed and that was that we are free to choose to rescind consent to be governed. Slavery is not lawful.

That’s a bit of a mindblower for most people OddSock. You can see how resistant men here are to that idea. The idea they can simply complete a claim of right and tell the guvment they no longer wish to be governed and this works? Most men simply can’t believe it to be true no matter how many times they are told. They are brainwashed. Wilfully ignorant.

There is a good quote on Henry Makow today. Link below. When men are this brainwashed how is it that you can actually get them to understand the truth? Well? As Bezmenov notes. No amount of information will work with such a man. There has to be a different approach. And that approach is to ‘smack him between the eyes’ hard enough to interrupt the programming. That’s all I am doing. Those who are brainwashed and don’t want to come out will see being called ‘stupid and wilfully ignorant’ as an ‘insult’ and be ‘offended’. Great. Have a good life. Those few who want to come out? Who want to be free? THOSE few might just be knocked out of their trance for long enough to realise:

“If I want to be free all I need to do is choose to be free and then tell my slavemasters I’m walking off the plantation.”

How many of these men are there? I’m thinking it’s about 0.01% now. I used to think it was about 5% of men would want to live in freedom. I was wrong. Men LOVE to be ruled. Why hasn’t AngryHarry bothered to choose to live in freedom? Because he actually likes his slavery and he is very likely fearful of the guvments response if he becomes a ‘disobedient sheep’. The same is true for nearly ALL MRAs. Deep down they want to be ruled.

I was talking to a man about 55 about all this in late 2009. Just after I flew to Australia and proved my remedy. I was talking to him about what might be the best ways of getting this information out to men who wish to be free. He made a comment to the effect:

“Now you have done all the hard work you might be surprised to find that nearly all men want to be ruled. They want to be told what to do. Saves them from thinking too much. I’m pretty sure that almost no men you talk to will actually use what you are giving them because deep down they don’t want to be free. We shall see how you go.”

Of course. He is correct. Wise man. So when I post here and in other places I’m not actually trying to communicate with the 99.99% of men who deep down wish to be slaves which is why they are slaves. I am communicating with the 0.01% of men who wish to be free. In most cases it is the younger men who wish to be free as the older men are well and truly domesticated and enslaved. As Aldus Huxley said: “The technology exists to have men love their servitude”. He knew because he was a part of it.

It’s not a difficult concept. Declare your freedom and then communicate it to others.

So the reason men refuse to do is exactly as described in the link. And they actually want to be slaves.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/38/threadid/379/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 09:58

AfOR May 10, 2011 at 06:30
“PAN is, sadly, one of either two things, he is either great troll, or he is certifiable…
If there is an illuminati, then they would “disappear” troublemakers like him, all it takes is a false rape accusation, a spot of DNA evidence planted, and job’s done.
If he is not disappeared, then there is no illuminati…”

Afor. Ever heard of John F Kennedy? John Lennon? Those who speak about the Illuminati who have the ears of MILLIONS are routinely killed by them. They might actually wake too many sheeple up. The normal weapon is ‘lone gunman’ which is almost always an MK-Ultra mind controlled slave like Mark Chapman.

For the rest of us who point to the truth? Ordinary men who become aware of the truth? Even the David Ickes, Alex Jones, Michael Tsarions of the world? They rely on your wilful ignorance to ignore such men. And 99.99% of men will ignore the clear evidence that the Illuminati run the world and have done so for thousands of years because you don’t want to admit that you are a sheep and that you are not willing to actually do anything about it. No amount of evidence will persuade a man with a closed mind. A mind is like a parachute. It only does it’s job when it is open.

This is why I do not call for ‘changing the system’. The ‘system’ is working fine and it’s necessary to stay exactly the way it is for 99.99% of the population. It’s the 0.01% of the population who want to be free that I am speaking to. The Illuminati know that most people love their servitude and wont free themselves even if offered. But they don’t want anyone too famous calling for people to choose to live in freedom. That might just upset the applecart.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) May 11, 2011 at 09:59

Maaldweb May 10, 2011 at 06:14
I don’t think there is a plan for population reduction atm. If that was the case then India and China would be the first targets of feminism.
China 1 child policy.
India. Birth rate has halved in 30 years.

China became a feminist state in 1949. India is being feminised at a very rapid rate but had a cultural background that made it a little more difficult to do without a revolution.

Perhaps you should read much more than you should write. All you need to know is right in front of you. But instead you choose to be ignorant. It’s not a good choice for a young man in my opinion.

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oddsock May 11, 2011 at 12:12

Peter.

As per usual you make some excellent points and observations. I agree with a lot of what you say. IMHO I think the main difference is quite simply speed of progress or development. The MRA movement is but a baby yet.

Slightly off topic and perhaps of little more than slight interest ? I am aware of a sect of Buddhist Monks, I believe in Tibet, that cause all sorts of problems for authorities/governments when they travel. I am not sure if they travel by air but I do know they cross quite a few borders in their work and travels. They do not and will not carry any papers of any kind e.g passport personal ID etc. They simply smile when asked for it. You see, apart from any spiritual reason they may have they also know what a nonsense it all is. Borders and countries and papers etc are all man made.

Ok. Regarding your observations. I can’t speak for the likes of Angryharry or others but consider this. Perhaps they are just content ? Perhaps that is where they are supposed to be ? Same applies to us all. Yes I understand the work you have done, very interesting indeed and I must admit it does appeal to me, especially the freedom bit. However, I have a slightly different view on freedom as I am sure so do many others. Yes, I would love to break free of governments control etc but I try to follow a different path. I haven’t got the balls or courage as yet to become a hermit or Monk etc I am still very much trapped in the material side of things. Maybe that is exactly where I am meant to be? My idea of freedom is more spiritual, or at least thats what I would like to believe.

Regarding your technique of awakening people to your views or new findings. Well, yes, to a point I can understand your frustration but as I mentioned above, because it is right for you does not mean it is right for everyone else. Insults will not work. But, consider this. The “smack between the eyes” I have no doubt is going to come but from a major change in society and living standards than from insults. Society and the financial system is collapsing all around us and still we have so many fooling themselves that all is well ( lets not forget the internet is full of disinfo shills) even on here.

Peter, the best you can do is just continue to raise awareness. IMHO trying to save anything just now is akin to trying to bail out the Titanic with an egg cup.

Overall, what you suggest will probably only be of any significance or value to men once this whole mess has gone through a major reset. Depending on just how many of us are still alive?

I still say cool yer jets man.

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Eric May 11, 2011 at 12:30

Kave:

If Price really was a creepy guy, you women would be begging him for dates.

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Venom Froggy May 11, 2011 at 12:31

@Eric:

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AntZ;

I hope that a lot of women read your posts and feel really proud of themselves for creating a relationship scene so dismal that men are starting to prefer androids, virtual sex and artifical wombs to them. Not that your ideas don’t have some actual merit; but that men are even contemplating such things are a real sad commentary on the state of modern women.
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What we are witnessing here is the rise of the modern-day Pygmallion. And by Pygmallion, I’m talkin’ about the Pygmallion of the ORIGINAL story written by Ovid.

Anyway, the story goes like this, frustrated with the haughty Entitlement Princesses / WHORES of his day, Ovid decided he wasn’t interested in women any longer. However, he ended up sculpting a female statue so realistic and so fair, he fell in love with it. He prayed to Venus to make the female statue into a real women for him to marry and she granted his wish, even though he was too bashful to say his wish out loud.

Anyway, the two got married and lived happily ever after. In later versions of the story, the girl was named Galatea.

Now what does this have to do with MGTOW?

Plenty. Today’s men are Pygmallion. We are becoming sick and tired of women’s conceited Entitlement Princess mentality and reckless whoring, their scathing contempt for all but the caddish of men.

We have decided, like Pygmallion, we are no longer interested in pursuing real women.

And much how Pygmallion fell in love with his Fantasy Female, so countless men have fallen in love with the women that can only be found in the confines of their imaginations.

Pygmallion found the company of Real Women so disgusting and so abhorrent he actually preferred his Fantasy Female infinitely more preferable.

This is what’s happening here. Men are finding “statues” to replace women.

Fictional females, pornography, and cyber sex are the statues.

The advancement of virtual sex, androids, and any and all technologies which can simulate both real women AND real sex is the form of “Venus” answering our silent prayer to bring our fantasy females to life (or at least as CLOSE to life we can get without supernatural means). These are the Galateas to our Pygmallion.

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Venom Froggy May 11, 2011 at 15:35

@Eric:
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Women’s own attitudes and actions are forcing men to seek alternatives to relationships with them. Did you read AntZ’s post extolling technological alternatives to women? I’ve read some of the ‘fembot’ websites and can truthfully state that a typical American male would be hard-pressed to come up with any reason why a relationship to an American woman is preferrable to one with a robot. That women have sunk to this level is really disgusting.

UNQUOTE

Amen, brother.

Actually, I would also add more to this. Women’s endless shit stream of shit tests have also made popular among men ANOTHER form of imaginary females.

One less expensive and far less-into-the-future than an android yet no less a phony female than the sex bot.

I’m talking about, of course, the T-GIRL!!

Sick and tired of shooting their fucking load into their hands, sick and tired of waiting for the goddamned FUTURE to hurry the hell up and give them their sex robots, sick and tired of simply being all by their lonesome because they don’t want to turn GAY and chase after dick, many straight men have decided on a COMPROMISE.

They figure if they can’t enjoy a REAL female, they’ll go enjoy a FAKE one!!

All they have to do is find the most feminine looking t-girl they can find, and just make sure she never sheds her female persona if she’s a pre-op.

Then, just ignore the package and/or pretend it’s a pussy. Problem solved!

It’s an appraoch that is still excruciatingly difficult for many straight males to take, but believe me, it is gaining ground very, very, VERY quickly.

Which only serves to condemn women all the more. If a straight male is more willing to get female lovin’ from a MAN instead of a woman, what does that say about today’s changing woman?

It says alot, and most of it ain’t good, lemme tell you!

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BobbyL May 12, 2011 at 08:42

Rainbows and Lollipops is using a variation of the standard shaming tactic. “You can’t get laid.”. Nice try. You forgot to say we have small dicks, we’re losers, we have mommy issues, we can’t handle a strong woman (code for castrating witch) etc etc blah blah. NEXT PLEASE!

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Dehbashi May 12, 2011 at 10:13


-So now, because “nice guys” have faced some rejection because of chasing “hot girls”, that means all of womanhood deserves to be “punished” and live lives of unloved destitution.

Maybe you guys need to look up the word “rejection” in the dictionary. Because there is nothing in “rejection” that says it’s just something men experience.
Sometimes you don’t get rejected. They will say sure but string you around and use you. If women actually rejected guys right away in a respectful way, I may add, then there would be no problem. But nope, they taunt and ridicule the guy who had the “nerve” to ask them out or not give a rejection thinking you may have hope and then they screw you in the end. True story. I was a nice guy who did things for girls. Carry stuff, open doors for girls, berating my older brother for being an ass to women, you name it, the shining white knight in armor. Of course, the male students and teachers called me a player because of this but that’s for another time. There was a girl who I met as a junior in high school that I really liked. I confessed to my feeling for her on the day of our graduation. While she didn’t say yes, she didn’t outright reject me making me believe I had hope in going out with her. She went out of state for college while I stayed in the same state I lived in. But we kept contact and I visited her a few times over there. If one of us were busy, we didn’t meet up. We went out for my birthday which was good since it had been a half a year since we had seen each other. I admit I thought it was strange but I chalked it up as I was also busy during part of those times as well. And it was not we were in an actual relationship at this time. But something nagged on me that whole night. So when we were leaving I asked her if she was seeing someone. Part of it was knowing how for this relationship was going to go. It was only then she told me she was seeing someone she liked but she never told me exactly when this started. She knew I liked her but probably never would have told me unless I asked. Seriously? She knew I will probably have given her my blessing to go ahead and move on. But she didn’t. It was as if she wanted to use me. I think that was the first time a part of a MRA popped up inside of me. My personality changed for a couple of minutes startling her. I was screaming or talking loudly at her. But I was pretty angry at the time. But when I cooled off after coming home (so you won’t think I’m an ass), I text her an apology for my behavior from that moment. She replied that she understood and I replied can we still be acquatinces. Maybe I thought there was some hope. But that didn’t matter. I tried to call her a few times afterwards which she didn’t reply toThen after I figured this out is when she started to refuse answering my calls. I knew it was then over. I blamed myself for what happened for a while lashing out at people at times. My stepmother confronted me about this wondering what is going on. I finally told her the whole story (my family never knew anything about this, since I didn’t know as a Muslim family, how they would react to it.) I remember what she said that day. It wasn’t my fault, her exact words were. She was using you this whole time. She knew you liked her and who you are and still she did this to you. I wasn’t convinced at the moment but that experience changed my life. There are other stories to tell which add to this but those aren’t as important to this point of yours Rainbows and Lollipops.

You need to understand that some people were also in relationships who screwed them over. It has nothing to do with just reaction at all.

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Kris W May 13, 2011 at 01:50

Let them reap what they sow. They benefited from misandry and helped to expand upon it so let them suffer. Until they earn forgiveness they shouldn’t be granted it.

That is the problem with a lot of guy’s, yous don’t see the big picture.
In person to person dialogue we should remain civil, polite but truthful. We shouldn’t talk about how “omg women are so evil”, no that wouldn’t go to well.

What would go well is blame the Judges, blame elected officials. Blame the bureaucrats, blame the system.

There is some truth in “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”.

So why not put it to good work?

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burnov May 13, 2011 at 13:22

Rainbows and lollipops is a huge caterwauling, castrating, entitled bitch trying to masquerade herself as a “nice girl”.

I’m currently with a fantastic young woman, she’s attractive and considerate… she does not behave in any way, shape or form like this miserable trout.

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Venom Froggy May 14, 2011 at 15:51

@Rainbows:
Like most women, you have absolutely empathy for men at all.

And that’s why we men consider you our ENEMY.

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Venom Froggy May 14, 2011 at 15:58

@Rainbows:
Aw, fuck, I made a mistake.

You have absolutely NO empathy for men at all.

There, THAT’S what I meant to say.

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E-sizzle May 15, 2011 at 15:15

“that hated for for the simple fact she was female and had needs and desire of her own that you as a man selfishly didn’t want to meet or felt she wasn’t allowed to have because you didn’t see her as a person. ”

Listen to yourself lollipop. A man is *selfish* because he can’t meet some woman’s needs and desires? You have obviously never been in a relationship with a woman. Alot of them have an infinite, contradictory needs, that men are expected to meet, for which they often get nothing in return. So some men are a little frustrated with ingrateful, demanding, hostile women? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Really, the bit about being rejected by hot chics is a lame analysis. Where’d you get that, from your gender studies class?

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Mook May 28, 2011 at 14:58

I think single women in their late 20′s to early 30′s are getting a rude awaking and realizing that they can’t be too picky cause of their biological clock ticking. Also that superficial “Perfect Alpha Male that has the so-called everything.” Never ever ever exists!!! Single women got that idea from when they were younger in those BS books like Jane Austin or whatever there called and it’s amazing how many women actually believe that BS. Single women are only fooling and only hurting themselves by believing that it exists and getting all pissy when people tell them reality that it never exists and it goes in one ear and out the other. Then these women that take it so far and constantly try to believe that it exists, refuse to listen to people telling them that it doesn’t exist these women become the bitter old maids/ the cat woman that every man fears :) !!

Awe but the table are starting to turn in Men’s favor when it comes to divorce these days. Women that have jobs or had jobs and show to the courts that they can make a decent living the courts are now starting to say to the now divorced single mothers they don’t need any support since they can sufficiently provide for themselves and their children and in turn and it’s becoming more common for the courts to force the women to pay the husband support. Awe Karma’s a bitch sometimes :) !!!

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Sin Nombre June 22, 2011 at 03:28

I just discovered this site, and I really like it. Not being charming or cunning, I was not particularly successful at dating—basically, I always found myself sitting through excruciating interviews with rude, egotistical women—and never married, and after seeing the way that divorce can ruin a man’s life, I feel lucky. My romantic life really began when I left America. I saw that women could be different, and some of the difference I saw flowed from differences in family law. No-fault divorce has ruined personal relationships in America. In the past, as a man, you could divorce for constructive abandonment if your wife alienated you for a long enough time, but now, I don’t think that a court would seriously consider such a claim. As a result, women can demand an equal division of community property in a no-fault divorce because if a man is even able to refuse to cooperate, the woman can simply constructively abandon him, wait for him to stray, and file for divorce on grounds of infidelity. The legal system is just so different in many foreign countries. The differences bring me to my second observation.

@Opus: Between living outside of America and my experiences in travel, I’ve realized a few things. I’d like to make one point about your observations on the differences between English and continental women. I don’t know if the prostitution is legal in the United Kingdom, but I suspect that some of the difference can be traced to the legal status of prostitution. In America, women maintain a sexual monopoly, and I really think that many men marry imagining that marriage will end the time-consuming a frustrating search for sexual partners. Unfortunately, marriage is no guarantee of sexual companionship. I’ve seen many, many sexless relationships. In places with legal prostitution, any man who is willing to treat his sex life as his own business can expect to have sex his whole life without submitting unreasonable marriage terms. I places with legal prostitution, I think that women understand that they have less leverage over men, and in continental europe, while pimping isn’t legal, I think that prostitution is legal in a lot of countries. Even in countries where prostitution isn’t de jure legal, like in China, it’s de facto legal.

And to anyone reading this blog, I suggest that if you want to change America, you remember that even if you’re married or in a relationship, there are parts of your life that you have a right to keep private, in particular, how you vote. Vote to change the system, vote to change family law, vote to legalize prostitution, and just tell your mate that you voted exactly as she demanded.

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In the minority July 19, 2011 at 21:44

I don’t know when the last time you’ve talked to a women that doesn’t live in an urban area, but there are vast majority just looking to go on a date where the man treats you like a lady, pays for the meal, and isn’t just plain rude. Feminism has done a major disservice to a large population of woman. Some of us are over educated ruralites with no options. ie I haven’t been on a date in 10 years and I’m no ogre.

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A July 27, 2011 at 06:10

Thankyou for your article,……dont forget that when girls are in their twenties, that some are still very naive and innocent so can be taken advantage of by ‘the wrong man’..,who takes advantage of women in their 20′s,…..sometimes because they are just plain cruel, and heartless,- but if your very lucky you could score yourself a good man in your 20′s who will be a gentleman and want to marry you, take care of you and not take advantage of you. So as you can see, some of these poor women who have a bad/ bad experiences with men in their 20′s, should not be entirely to blame if they find themselves still single by 30. ……And i also think if your meant to be with someone, you will, regardless of what your age is- i have heard of people getting married in their 30′s, 40′s and beyond!……because if you are soul mates with someone, they will love you unconditionally, regardless of the past, or your age, etc…………nobody should be judged negatively, as everyone is learning and growing and everyone wants to be loved and deserves the love that is suitable for themselves.

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cristina September 14, 2011 at 05:56

Guys, you are so wrong.

My first relationship was at 25. And that is because at the age of 20 when I had my first boyfriend (not sex, just kissing) my father was absolutely against it saying that this could end up in foolish love and compromise my college education (as in getting pregnant and leaving school). Anyway, at 25 I had a relationship of 2 years and didn’t work out. Next, another relationship of 4 years – the guy did not want children – and here I am at 32.
I never pulled off marriage, at 25 I did want to marry and later on, too.
I am beautiful, with a body of a 20 year old and a face of 23 year old and you give me the bad news that its either nothing for me or a divorced man with children.
So unfair.
Anyway, it’s good to know what men think.

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W.F. Price September 14, 2011 at 06:07

am beautiful, with a body of a 20 year old and a face of 23 year old and you give me the bad news that its either nothing for me or a divorced man with children.

-Cristina

Aside from the child support they pay their exes, divorced men with children are a pretty good deal. They already know how to deal with kids, they have learned from previous mistakes, and they have a realistic appraisal of family life. If you find the right one, you’re lucky. It’s either that or roll the dice with a guy your age or older and try to turn a long-time bachelor into a family man.

Linz October 25, 2011 at 14:29

What about a 33 year old woman with a big heart and a lot of love to give who never, never wanted anything in life other than to settle down, be a good, loyal and loving wife and a mother?

Oh, wait, but she’s 50 pounds overweight. She struggled and struggled and struggled to lose weight throughout her 20s. Now she’s 33, and she’s still too fat to be dateable.

We women aren’t all “players” who are fickle with men and then suddenly change our minds in our 30s! A lot of us are good people who just want to love and be loved. We spent our twenties hoping and praying to be chosen by a man, and no man wanted us! You men have so much more power than you even realize. I don’t understand how you can even complain about rejection from women — no man ever has to be single if he doesn’t want to be. Trouble is, you wouldn’t even think of getting into a relationship with someone less-than-devastatingly attractive. You guys do all of the choosing, you have all of the power. All a woman can do is make herself as pretty and attractive as possible and hope that she gets chosen.

It’s hard to accept that I’ve reached the age of 33 without being chosen, without being wanted. I’m ignored by men, I’m rejected by everyone I approach. It’s a hard thing to swallow. If you’re thinking most single women in their 30s are career women who never wanted to be married, you’re dead wrong. I think most of us are the plumper, less-attractive women who were simply passed over and not wanted. I’ve gone too long without becoming attractive enough to a man to have him want me, and now I’ll probably be single forever. You’re right, there is no hope for some of us.

Looks. Youth. The only two things any man cares about. Doesn’t matter how faithful or how loving I would’ve been. I can’t offer a man the most important thing that he desires: a slender body. Don’t pretend that men care about slender bodies more than they care about any character traits. If you’re a woman and you can’t provide the attractive body that men desire, then you will not be chosen and you will not be wanted and you will be single at 33.

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Linz October 25, 2011 at 14:35

Also, I wanted to say, I never wanted an Alpha-Male man. All I’ve ever wanted was a **nice** man. All I’ve ever wanted was a man to like me, period.

What are those of us who are unwanted by ALL MEN supposed to do? It’s so hard to come to terms with the fact that I’ll probably never be married because I’m so ugly.

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Linz October 25, 2011 at 14:49

If all you men who keep on bitching about how “cold” and slutty and awful women are, MAYBE YOUR LUCK WOULD CHANGE if you gave women who were less-than-totally-gorgeous-and-slender the time of day for once.

You know how many times I’ve tried to approach average, normal, friendly looking men with a friendly smile and a warm “hello” only to be totally rebuffed and rejected?

There are so many good, nice, kind, loyal single women in their 30s who’d love you and be faithful and who have the traditional values you’re looking for. Trouble is, none of that matters to you as much as the hot, slender body. That’s why you just ignore and reject all the good-hearted and kind women who’ve approached you, and then you go to sites like this and cry “Oho! All women are cruel, cold-hearted bitches!” when the woman with supermodel-calibre beauty rejects you.

Newsflash: Those Type-A alpha males, and those Class-A, model-calibre beauties you’re all going for all have a lot of options. An average woman like me probably can’t get a Type-A guy and she knows it. A normal, average guy like you isn’t getting a Victoria’s Secret model. Instead of railing against all women because the Victoria’s Secret Model doesn’t want to date you, why not just give an average woman a chance for once? You pass over good, kindhearted women who truly would’ve been good, faithful, and loving wives.

It is simply not true that we’re all feminist bitches who have some sense of entitlement and some fairytale picturebook image of what Prince Charming has looked like. I know you’ve never tried to date me, because I never would’ve turned you down so coldly. You aren’t interested in dating me, though. You want the girl who looks like the Victoria’s Secret model.

You still have options if you’re a 33 year old single man. You still have hope. I don’t have any hope. I hoped for years to meet a nice man who wanted to love me, and now all my hope is gone.

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John November 1, 2011 at 00:06

I’ve just spent the past hour or so, reading down this page at the comments and opinions. I’m a male, 33 years old, in the UK with a good professional engineering career, my own home, two cars and a good education. I have to say, I am in agreement with 99% of the male opinions on this page. I have been rejected and messed around by women all my life and now I have just thrown them off completely. Who cares if they are in trouble because of their previous pickyness and foul attitudes!? I certainly don’t. I am secure, happy and living my life as I always planned. At one time, I would have indeed snapped up a woman to be my wife but all I got was foolish messing around and silly expectations. Nowadays, I am absolutely clear that I am better off on my own as I have my own expectations of myself and am perfectly able to meet them. The last thing my life needs at the moment, is a woman to upset that with her sillyness. As far as I’m concerned, they have pushed their luck and pushed themselves, along with the small minority of decent women, out of the market. I was that guy in his 20′s that would have married and done the whole family thing for the right woman – I really did want to. They didn’t want to though and now that phase of my life has passed. Am I gay? Am I a Mummys boy? Am I weak? Am I unwilling to commit? NO! I am CONTENT and HAPPY!

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Alli November 11, 2011 at 23:15

Yeah, thanks dude…I’m not quite 30 yet (I just turned 28) but in case you haven’t noticed guys in their twenties aren’t exactly looking for marriage. It’s true that I am pursuing a career, but I’ve always been open to love. I don’t know who these unrealistic singletons are, but when it comes down to me and pretty much all of my single girlfriends, we don’t care what car you drive or what you wear, we just want someone we can hang out with and talk to (also, hot sex is nice!)

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Fury Tye November 13, 2011 at 09:18

Great comments on this site, lets cut the BS folks. First of all the fat women on this site -Linz -complaining no man ever wanted them. Get over it and improve yourself. Boo freaking hoo, its critical that a man is aroused. Love and all that is fine, but no man wants to see rolls and an out of shape body, STOP IT!.
Second of all, it is refreshing to sell so many men have seen the light. Men, live for yourselves, use women for sex, because most women want to be treated that way. Start listening to Tom Leykis – he makes alot of sense. To all the pigs who complain about men, get a life. To all the men who have been wronged by women – I salute you and live for yourself!

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Disappointed March 19, 2012 at 09:38

Most of these opinions are copouts posted by men who would rather find a scape goat in the opposite sex than try and compromise. You’re just as bad as the women you describe. You all, the women who fit your narrow world view and yourselves, deserve to be single.

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simone May 14, 2012 at 04:32

The one who wrote this article probably hates women. Its sounds like women have to choose something but not the best….And you know why they don’t choose a man, because they can’t trust them. For a man there is not reason to commit really, after she delivered kids he will find a new fresh young girlfriend and leave you with the work. Men choose always the easiest option for themselves. And when this goes on the human race is doomed. Because women see now how men always walk in the comfortzone and have other reasons to be with a woman. Or WHY he chooses for one and no the other one. It is all about BEAUTY nothing more or less.

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SW June 11, 2012 at 11:04

I liked the honesty about how there may well not be a solution. However, as per divorced guys. First of all most of them are “out of jail” and the current meat market of dating is their candyland. They want young women for looks, to make them feel young and reclaim those years lost to marriage, they enjoy their freedom and for those who may have actually loved their first wives, those men do not want to risk getting hurt again. Men are much more sensitive when it comes to their emotions and are much bigger control-freaks regarding their feelings and bonds. Besides, after a guy has been through the arduous journey that was marriage, after the trials and tribulations of divorce, after the loss of investment–both in money and time–he’s generally too tired and drained from it all to really want to get back into that all-consuming monotony of monogamy (his thinking of course, not mine). At this point their lives are relatively settled they’ve “been there done that” when it comes to the family thing now they have their job routine, their friends, their vacation home, their hobbies etc. Everything is very neatly compartmentalized and routine. They don’t need to nor want to get involved in a heavy committed relationship esp with an “older” person (it’s sad 30 is considered “older” but I’m going by today’s dating standards). Furthermore now that he’s older and more settled in his life he has more wealth which means more power and less reason to ever “settle” down again especially with someone over 25. As per the his having kids and being able to handle kids comments. Actually, most divorced guys I’ve met and dated, use their kids as props–to make them look like the guy who wears all the hats and fulfills all the roles: superman (nice loving dad b/c he spends one day a week of his bachelor’s life with the kid, senior position in his firm, works out at the gym or whatever are his hobbies, etc. Like guys who bring babies or pets to the park. These men use their kids to feign emotions and the ability and desire to commit. They use this tactic with younger women to whom they think may want babies; they use the family-facade to appear stable and settled when really they just date for sport.

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ChiDiva August 26, 2012 at 17:40

Okay, the person who wrote this is obviously devoid of human emotions, completely disregarding the emotional side that goes into finding a mate. If most women are like me, we have spent most of our adult lives waiting for the guy(s) we love to want to bend down on one knee. But when women say men can’t commit, it means just that — men can’t commit. The reason 20-something-year-old women turn into single 30-something-year-old-women isn’t because we put the job or finances first, or that we’re in search for the holy grail of men. I think we get it, we’re not perfect, no one is perfect. But, the reason we turn into single 30-somethings is that odds are, that guy never dropped the question, or bailed when we asked why he wasn’t dropping the question. How many of us women sat and wasted years of our 20s on that guy (or two) who fed us soothing words but couldn’t say THE words we wanted to hear?

And, more importantly, there’s no reason to settle for the guy that you don’t want only to suffer through a messy divorce ten years later.

Finally, sadly, because of soaring divorce rates, we live in a world in which women need to think about setting the foundation for financial independence, because there are absolutely no guarantees that the kids we have in our 20s will hit school age before Mommy and Daddy divorce.

So, really to sum things up, dude, wake up and step into the new millenium.

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vanessa October 15, 2012 at 16:03

One more thing, I dated men in my 20′s, got to know myself and what I wanted (without stepping all over men in the process), finished graduate school and incorporated a business. I am now 35, I look like I’m in my 20′s and YES I am just got married. I don’t regret a thing! I found my soul mate and didn’t settle for less because “I was suppose to marry at a younger age” My husband is not divorced with children either. But so what if he was? I am super happy! And I don’t think any woman in her 30′s should give up on finding love. Make the best of your life until you do, learn from your mistakes and stay positive :)

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Anonymous November 10, 2012 at 16:19

I hope it’s not too late for any of you to see this, but:

I think generalizing is not good, regardless if one is male or female. I am 24 and spent ages 18-22 in a toxic relationship and had two failed dating experiences afterward due to having a very low self-esteem. I missed out on a wonderful young man because I had zero confidence and, throughout our four months of dating, did not know how to properly express myself. I was not a “sl_t” who slept around; the only person I slept with was the boyfriend of 3.5 years.

Here I am, 24, and the dating pool is nonexistent (at least where I live). It’s saddening to see men just peg all women into the same category just because they are single and a certain age. What if I can’t find a good man and end up still single in my 30s? Do you think, from what I’ve just said, that I deserve all that hatred?

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cazz December 15, 2012 at 20:06

this piece is genuinely infuriating and so obviously written from a sexist male point of view its unbelievable! as a single woman aged 32 I know I picked a career and my studies ahead of settling down but I don’t regret that decision at all. I own my own home and business, have great friends and a great family. Ok I don’t have a husband or kids but I have had several long term relationships and the reason I chose not to settle down with any of these guys is that they cheated, lied, betrayed me or abused me. You will probably say thats my own fault and its the type of guys I pick but believe me my only fault was being too trusting and trying to see the best in people. I don’t judge all men by what has been done to me so judging all women by your narrow minded views is frankly outrageous! The very idea that I should have put my life on hold for the last ten years to have babies and my own dreams and aspirations come after this is nothing bar insulting. I have plenty of friends getting divroced from “decent guys” they settled down with in their 20s is this a better way to be because they don’t seem any happier for it? For a man deciding to have a family means little change to their lives, the woman quits work for maternity leave, carries the child and looks after it in most cases. It’s a much simpler choice knowing this. And in your final paragraph you say nobody should feel sorry for us? no woman i know in similar circumstances to myself is looking your pity, we know the choices we made and i personally stand by mine. you find who you’re meant to be with regardless of age or career and this frankly ignorant article is so offensive I’m surprised i spent this long writing a reply

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LB Anderson January 15, 2013 at 21:42
Ivan March 3, 2013 at 10:10

No !! There is not !! Men are smart now . We are not like our stupid pussywiped wallet fathers anymore . ok. Men know that women over 30 can’t get pregnant the natural way and have a lot of baggage . Older women are to much drama . Ladies get your shit together fast ,act like a lady ,stop listening to Feminists like Hilary Clinton and Oprah and learn to cook good . Even a single mother is better then no kid . Well your kid is going to be angry and a bum but that’s a different story .

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Wao June 16, 2013 at 10:55

I think we can learn MORE from reading the comments than this article…Women and Men fearing about getting together with each other because of “age” or “pickiness”…Measuring all relationships with the same ruler.
Women and Men commenting angry about each other, blaming & judging women for using their 20′s, mid-20′s & the end of her 20′s to make a decent living, study & to learn more about themselves as individuals and achieve the maturity necessary to commit & to be ready to raise a family…

And the the question is: Is it possible to do “THE career+study thing” PLUS getting married, be pregnant, give birth to children, get fat, be thin again, feel good, be good, give good, take care of those little people, of your husband, of a house ( if you are LUckY enough to have one) and EVEryTHING that comes with the package of raising children with all their material & physiological needs covered and being FORTUNATE ENOUGH to find and BE a stable partner that helps to HANDLE all that.

An-ha of course Totally possible!!! Oh YES BABY!! ( I have friends that did it, that are happy, others that got depressed, had divorces, others still together happy or not…And deal with a hell of changes for making those decisions in such an early & YOUNG stage of their lives, factor in COMMON if you ask around MANY if NOT ALL wish they could start a bit later to feel more secure and better about themselves) because the time to achieve “Career, job, entrepreneurship plans etc…” was sacrificed or simply didn’t happened because they chosen to procreate & their partners provided as much as they possibly could ( with the exception the rich ones that did it all because LOVE, money & youth worked together very well)

That conduct of giving away your youth to a man & children has been the “CORRECT, LOGICAL & SMARt ONE” for many generations. The TRUST and RESPONSIBILITY of men was to SUPPORT ECONOMICALLY the consequences of the life choices of those women that made staying at home raising their children a priority in order to create the “ideal families” in exchange of her time to study, travel, learn etc…

And since the reality is that you either put on hold your career and life to raise children MUST of those women we Know given up their lives to take care of themselves before making the decision of having a family…

I see it a simple: The LACK OF TRUST IN MEN that are REALLY committed to WORK and Give the FRuits of all the WORK they do to a women that chooses to sacrifice her youth for a family is not the same or SMART way to go anymore, the REALITY CHECK that marriages don’t last forever Kicked IN!, the reality that IS OK TO GO TROUGH a failed Marriage, THAT IS OK to re-marry & get divorce again, That the “traditional” family picture has changed and there are NOT ONLY mom’s & dad’s …

Women that are in her 30′s today have seen the consequences of solely depending on men in your early 20′s in order to be able to have a family, women that are 30+ today have learned from their mothers & grandmothers the moral, legal & sentimental consequences of putting your life on hold in order to give “THAT MAN & THE SOCIETY” the joy and satisfaction of children in the peak of your youth…

Women are being asked, questioned and push to be married and HAVE CHILDREN as a mandatory thing even BEFORE they know what they want in life, advertising and media STILL IN THESE TIMES condemn women who are no longer wanting to spend their youth pregnant, fat, at home & “happily raising children” for a man that is achieving and “getting it all” out there and of course there are those hero women that “DO IT ALL” but that’s NOT the majority AND IT’S OK if you are not a
” That Hero”.

Society keeps on judging and showing on and ON to women reasons to feel GUILTY for not “taking the time to be pregnant in your younger years” What kind of CRAP is that? , WHY feel guilty for wanting a MAN that is loving , faithful, Provider & also somebody you can love and count on, THAT “S NOT A FAIRY TAIL people, those ARE the simple details that can make a relationship worth of COMMITING to create a a family with…

Unfortunately, NATURE-BIOLOGICAL clocks keeps on ticking, and if a woman doesn’t find THAT man in her 20′s who is willing to take responsibility with her about family etc… she won’t simply do it.

Is sad how the article and MOST of the comments describe “this thing of women NOT getting married or procreating in her 20′s” as her fault, her lack of vision or perspective about how to use “WISELY” her youth & best years.

WOMEN there are MAN out there Single ones with or without children that are willing to love, live & Have a family with a 30-38 years old woman, YES there IS, but first make it a priority to find THAT man & don’t join groups were they simply say THEY DONT EXIST. GIVE MEN A CHANCE & ignore the Fucking society that says you Are WAY PASSED your time. That’s BULLSHIT.

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Positive June 19, 2013 at 11:05

I agree with Wao’s comment above. What society says that us women over 30 have missed their chance at love and family because they did not choose to settle in their 20′s. As for me, personally, I always thought it was a good idea to be financially stable myself then get married and have a family. I believe we are all equal and should do our part within the family. As we learned from out mothers and grandmothers, they never had the money to do anything. They stayed home with the children while the husband worked. Would you want a wife who can bring in just as much income for the family as the husbavh can? Two incomes are better than one. You can give your children a better live and live better when there is more money involved. I didn’t choose to not marry in my twenties, I just did not think I was ready to handle all the stress of raising a family, going to college, and taking care of children and finding a good job in my field. I wanted to take, one step at a time. I see plenty of women who are in excellent physical and mental and financial shape that will knock the socks off of any man who would have the courage to just take to her and get to know everything she had to offer. I think men need to step up to the plate and realize that us wonen are just as equal as they are. Or maybe they are scared that we are better at life than they are.

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Positive June 19, 2013 at 11:56

I agree with Wao’s comment above. What society says that us women over 30 have missed their chance at love and family because they did not choose to settle in their 20′s. As for me, personally, I always thought it was a good idea to be financially stable myself then get married and have a family. I believe we are all equal and should do our part within the family. As we learned from out mothers and grandmothers, they never had the money to do anything. They stayed home with the children while the husband worked. Would you want a wife who can bring in just as much income for the family as the husbavh can? Two incomes are better than one. You can give your children a better live and live better when there is more money involved. I didn’t choose to not marry in my twenties, I just did not think I was ready to handle all the stress of raising a family, going to college, and taking care of children and finding a good job in my field. I wanted to take, one step at a time. I see plenty of women who are in excellent physical and mental and financial shape that will knock the socks off of any man who would have the courage to just take to her and get to know everything she had to offer. I think men need to step up to the plate and realize that us wonen are just as equal as they are.

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Absurd July 5, 2013 at 03:16

I hope this article and many of the comments do not actually reflect how mot men think. Some of us women who had given the guy who didn’t have money a chance as we also had traditional views…..ended up losing or ending the relationship because we had been abused or had to be the ones to provide for the man while the man continued to create hardship. We are the women who tried to hold on to commitment and trying to help someone become better person and we are the ones left as divorced mothers. Women like me never had the intention of using a man for his money or using a man at all and spent out 20s working our way up from poverty wage jobs (and yes some attractive women do this……I turned down men who had much more money than I had or who said I would never have to work jobs like those again because I was not going to date man based on what he could offer financially or be projected as a woman who would), going to school, and improving ourselves to be taken advantage of and now judged as though we are single because of false reasons.

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Jo July 28, 2013 at 18:24

I find it very hard finding men as I love deep conversations and is a very deep sensitive person. Finding a man who likes that is hard. Im nearly 31 soon and also look younger than my age. I have no idea where to find a man who likes deep conversations? I just find small talk can only go so far.

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PoP September 11, 2013 at 15:58

Agree with a lot of this article; it’s refreshing to see these views put forth. Would add that from my observation, a lot of the single 30+ women are ones who keep cohabitating with men without marriage. I think it’s a stupid mistake they keep making over and over because they can’t be on their own long enough to get a man who’ll make a legal commitment tot hem.

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Brownie November 16, 2013 at 13:20

Sorry for my typos, but my biological clock is ticking so loud. Plus I’m typing this in a hurry.

Wow. Just wow. I never in my life seen so many angry 30 something men in my life. I mean, the anger you have towards 30 something women is crazy. Like, the whole message board is angry for no reason.

Calling women sluts because they had kids…with men.
Calling single moms terrible because the men left them.
The generalizations

I mean you guy hate us! The rage , the baggage, the broken dreams you have is being taking out on women your age you never even met.

Look, if you guys want the date 20 year olds , do what makes you happy, but just because you prefer them over us doesn’t make us 30s women bad or less than. You guys remind me of a discussion I had with a black man about black women. This black guy loved dating white women. But he would go on and on and on about how black women sucks and how we are stupid and fat and dumb. Now, mind you, we were on a college campus surrounding by smart, thin, no kids, fun black girls, but he didn’t want to see that, he wanted to sit around with other black men that loved white women, bashing black women. But my thing is if you like something, date it, married, no one really cares. Okay, you may run in a few 30 something women that feels some type of way about it, but why focus soooooo much on what they say? Why is there a whole message board and even websites bashing us 30 something women? If I don’t care about a certain of people I don’t even think about them, I don’t comment about them. I feel indifferent. You’re like that poor rednecks in the south, that hate poor blacks in the south. The poor racist rednecks are the first to point at the poor blacks and what they are doing wrong like, they ain’t got no jobs, they on welfare, they this and that. And the poor rednecks are poor, no jobs, and on welfare also. Both doing nothing to improve their lives.
Back to my point ( whatever it was ). My point is get rid of the hate you have for us 30 something women. Just whatever you think, let it go. It’s not even wroth it. If you like younger women, get off the computer and go get them! Don’t let us stop you, and we won’t, because most of us don’t care. Stop thinking about how much you hate us. Hate is a terrible thing. I read every comment on here and the only thing I thought after reading one angry post after the next was, why do these guys think about us so much?

Maybe instead of making message boards bashing 30 something women you should make a board talking about how much you love younger women and why, without bashing us. You don’t have to put one group down because you love other. Just love the group you love. Because at the end of the day as a 34 year old women I still love myself. The love I have for myself is not based on how you see me. I’m sure if I was to ever met any of you men, we would have a great time over drinks and convo. You may not what to date me, but that doesn’t make me bad, just got for you.

Well, God bless and good luck on your happiness guys. No hate.

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Ted G. December 2, 2013 at 17:02

Most of these bitter bitch ass men who’ve commented don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about! They keep this bullshit “career woman” narrative going to assuage their guilt for being douchebag players all throughout their 20s. Many of the single women I know in their 30s have bent over backward for men who didn’t commit, while their careers suffered because they were focused on trying to find a REAL, loving relationship. Some of you men need a serious reality check. You sound as bitter, hurt and dejected as any single women I’ve EVER met. Pathetic!

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Anonymous December 30, 2013 at 23:53

Wow! You guys are bitter. Hate to hear that. Hope things turn around for you.

I’m in my early 30s. I don’t look it. I actually think I look better than I did when I was younger. I’ve given plenty of guys chances and it just hasn’t panned out. Hope one day it will, but if it doesn’t. . . we can survive without marriage. I read somewhere that single women tend to be happier than married women. I believe in marriage and I believe in men (despite a lot of overwhelming evidence to the contrary). (I’ve also seen awesome guys). I’ve never rejected a good guy (well past my teenage years) for invalid reasons. The relationships just simply have not worked out. I don’t know how much longer my body will be nice. (I still think it looks great considering my advanced age of 33. Seriously, people always think I’m half my age. But hopefully, true love beyond what I look like does exist. I hope so. If not, life is full of plenty of other beautiful things.

Wish you all the best.

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Nas January 26, 2014 at 05:55

Well, the above post cannot be generalised.
I am 30, single woman, and Im single due to lot of responsibilities I had to take care of as I had three deaths in my family including my brother and my father. Hence I was the bread winner and also myself needed time to come out of the trauma. Hence I did not want to hurry into a relationship before sorting my life out and putting someone elses life in mess.
I personally believe that when an article is written, a thorough research needs to be done and not just write based on what you see or feel.
peace.
Best regards,
Nas

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Maren April 24, 2014 at 03:15

This the most ridiculous article I have to say. Women that aged out of their prime mating time and more comments like that I wouldnt even want to repeat. Instead of discrimination women past 30 or even more so 35 and older is a very easy way out. If medicine would approach the topic the way they do with men when it comes to possible infertility with age, we would not have that problem of a ticking clock in the first place. If women are given hormone replacement therapy by the age of 30 they can extend their fertility up to when they are in their 70s, much like men. But medicine would not do that/slash hides the idea because men fear women being equal and women being competitive. ALso, paharmaceutical markets make the most profit by selling anti aging and anti depressing and menopause treatments, so why would they even consider making a change to this situation. If medicine messed with mens fertility like that, there would have been changes a long time ago. But because women do not complain loud enough, they rather stay lonely, depressed and discriminated past 35 if that is the case even. So I suggest that women should get out there and complain loud enough and fight for the maintaining of their feritlity because it makes more sense that being discriminated by 35 and depressed by 50. Also loss of fertility is a state of danger for any human being, ask any doctor, they will confirm this.

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Gareth June 15, 2014 at 02:33

Very good article. I am a male, currently 35 and tried the whole settling thing down in my mid 20′s.
Ironically now I am nor over concerned at all regarding settling down, and besides now their are plenty of woman who suddenly hit 30 and are so available and these are the same ones who would sleep with every guy in their 20′s….lol
From my perspective only, I feel women in general should calm down when they younger, when they hit 30+ they suddenly just fall into the category of “good for one thing” and sadly, me included here, no one wants a piece of meat that everyone’s had a bite out of.

I am not sure if anyone else has noticed this but some women hit 30+ and then start flaunting themselves sexually, pics on facebook, excessive flirting etc…..as if almost they are trying desperatly to “trap” some guy so they can settle, when in reality, what are the guys supposed to think if a woman does that? “Then they turn and complain that they were used, guys are only after one thing and the whole hate cycle starts.

Simple solution, women don’t be so slutty when your younger, the tables are going to turn, also even if your married now, the divorce rate is so high that the tables are still most likely to turn one day and then you’ll probably have kids which will work more against you.

Just my 2 cents.

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