Comment of the Week

by W.F. Price on April 27, 2011

Editor: we’ve been seeing a lot of criticism here from White Nationalists lately, probably due to someone linking PMAFT’s “White Knight Nationalism” post from some time back. I wasn’t sure whether a response would be worth it, but commenter “John” left a comment to PMAFT’s post that I thought roughly sums up my own views on the matter. Perhaps some of the White Nationalists coming around can read this comment and engage in a little reflection. If you really care about your ethnicity/race/religion, it might pay off to clean up your own house first. That goes for all of us, of course.

By John

The “female” commentators on WN sites are at least as shaming and self-righteous as those on lefty-feminist sites, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if half of them had some sort of moustache getting a bit out of control on the upper lip and hairy armpits. In truth, the majority of their comments are disgusting to read, and that’s if you are lucky(?) enough to be able to decipher what they are trying to say because of their almost universal lack of analytical thought process and woeful grammatical skills. I keep thinking “old doublewide trailers” halfway through their first paragraph and simultaneously envision that old hag up on the mountain during the first part of the movie “Rob Roy” presently sitting in front of a computer.

And look at this gem from the article above – “Once again, fellas, the onus is on YOU to please women. Not the other way around. Ghetto Negroes have better wooing, and flirtation skills, than so many White males.”

Here we have a supposed W.N. self-imagined “White Goddess” who has experience with being wooed by “Ghetto Negroes” and she expresses admiration for their flirtation skills. Got her thing tingling, I see. Maybe that “tingling” was satiated a few times by one or more of those “Ghetto Blacks”, yet some “Bush” swilling W.N. “White Knight” will draw his sword and proclaim, “I will defend this sluts honor to my death!”

Yeah. “Git-R-Done” and all that, Jackass.

Insofar as the WN men go, I’d have to agree that the majority of them are likely bunion-rubbers, drink the cheapest of beer, fondle their Chinese SKS nightly, and do whatever the “Old Lady” tells them to do while they strut around in front of their friends and the mountain of aluminum empties like little Bantam roosters. Almost as a universal, they hold up the WN females as godesses in spite of the fact that 99% of those “ladies” have had their holes punched and left full of biological waste by more men than there are oil companies that have ever drilled wells in Texas. Frankly, it’s pathetic. “Yup, I got me a good one down at the used lot! Low mileage but ridden really hard. I like ‘em that way. We even goes to church now! Naw, them’s her kids from one of them other fella’s, I think.”

Got an American’ flag hanging in the yard over near the pickup, and when properly drunk they sing along with Lee Greenwood, mumbling “and I’m proud to be an American, because at least I know I’m free.” Is this a great country or what?

Are W.N.-types correct when they posit that other outgroups are to blame for what has happened in this country? Yes and no. The zeitgeist is the zeitgeist, and indeed powerful and convincing forces are behind it. Yet, no one forces anyone to be a direct participant. Anyone can opt out. There is no “rule” that posits that women must be self-centered, rationalization hamster whores nor does one exist which mandates that men should be layabout cads who “pump and dump” to prove their manhood to themselves. As the Knight Templar stated in one of those Indiana Jones moves, “He chose poorly”, and so do women in droves.

I happened upon one of Professor Kevin MacDonalds books, “Culture of Critique” some time back, and this superb work – peer reviewed and footnoted beyond belief (given the topic, a grand idea), left me with absolutely no doubt that what has happened to this country is no accident, but rather by planning and design. Nevertheless, free will is free will, and people chose the immoral and degrading path that was and continues to be followed. Evil forces are indeed hard at work, but as I argued earlier, no one forces anyone to chose evil over good.

Are there “good women” who are also blessed with high intelligence who are ethnically conscious. Assuredly, whether they are White, Black, Asian or Mestisto. I’ve got no problem with people being proud of their race and culture, and if anything, am chagrined that because of “political correctness” it is almost impossible to express pride in the white race without being instantaneously labeled a racist. Nothing like a pejorative to end an intelligent discussion.

Nevertheless, the few times that I have come across W.N. websites, given the general lack of intellectual consideration demonstrated in the writing, the vitriolic garbage spouted by the little goddesses with the worn-out D.N.A. receptacles, as well as the almost moronic defense of today’s white women by the “White Knights”, I am not overly compelled to return. In general terms, outside of the superb work at “The Occidental Observer” (with generally poor commentary), I am not compelled to return. There’s simply no “There, there.” Pro-active solutions are absent, and what you have is just keyboarded yelling by the men and senseless, self-promoting, male-shaming bitching by the bitches.

Insofar as the W.N. men go, they are almost their own worst enemies. The W.N. women? You may as well go over and hang out at feministing. For a good time call 1-800-BITCH. As a rule they are disgusting hypocrites and beyond disappointing. Hell, the best description is repellent. Yes, repellent.
R-E-P-E-L-L-E-N-T.

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sestamibi April 27, 2011 at 11:15

Bravo!

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Rebel April 27, 2011 at 11:18

I know that this is not directly related and I certainly don’t want to derail this thread, but there is this site I tumbled across this morning that I die sharing with you.

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2011/04/americas-collapse-causing-depression-in.html

And then there is yet another one that may interest many here:

http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html

Pls forgive me if you think this is inappropriate.

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Ken April 27, 2011 at 11:26

“To each his own, but I just warn against buddying with radicals of any persuasion as they typically do not appear to be 100% what they espouse!
I once knew a guy who was overtly a White Supremacist and wouldn’t get into it at work, but off-duty he was way too angry to be cool. I also discovered that for all the race talk he did, he had on his video shelf a collection of X-rated videotapes….ALL of them of “interracial” theme!
Seems the dude liked watching black men with white women, despite all the WS talk he blathered on about….like I said, be careful about “radicals”!”>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Above is from my post the other day here on Spearhead and so regarding this issue on WS’s , I think it’s appropriate to re-post it because it is a 100%true story and makes the point of “buyer beware” when dealing with ANY kind of “radical” prosletyzer (left or right) as they, in my observation, are rarely 100% what they claim to be and oftentimes hypocrites and never-do-wells who want attention and more “converts”. There may be even some great points made by an angry radical at some time but “buyer beware”! just the same :)

The above article puts it into perspective I think! Bravo….

“Though I may not agree with everything yous say, I will defend to the death your right to say it!”

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Stonelifter April 27, 2011 at 11:29

W. N.’s sound like leftist because they are leftist. Which is why I’m a White Separatist

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phil white April 27, 2011 at 11:36

@Stonelifter

“W. N.’s sound like leftist because they are leftist. Which is why I’m a White Separatist”

Congratulations.
What’s important is for white’s to not be afraid to be pro-white.
That can be hard in certain times and places and that will be so for the next few years, but only for a few more years.

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Richard P-Man April 27, 2011 at 11:44

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Firepower April 27, 2011 at 11:47

@John

How novel, a white dispensing venom more upon his own race, than those that commit crimes, fill prisons, and engorge on social service bucks in greater disproportion to their population percentage.

You, are a fool.

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Ryu April 27, 2011 at 11:49

I can answer that.

You’ve pointed out the general lack of pro-active solutions. WNs just haven’t got anything real going on – it is true for the most part. However, it is not the only movement lacking solutions. The main MRM solutions are game and MGTOW. Essentially – look out for number one.

As Globalman has pointed out time after time, for several years now, most MRAs are keyboard activists. They will not help and cannot be bothered. They believe in miracles. In this and in many other ways, the MRM and WN are very, very similiar.

It goes further than that. Most men know what feminism is about. They also know what multiculturalism and what immigration are about. There is alot of racial awareness out there – under the name of “white flight.” Most of the liberal refugrees fleeing California would never call themselves WNs – yet, they move to areas that are majority white. I for one certainly do not defend feminists, or all whites – exactly in the same way that you would not defend a white knight.

I understand there is to be a MRA conference. Jared Taylor has held similar conferences – it will be interesting to see if the antifas and feminists show up at yours.

I would go so far as to say that the MRM and WN share all the same real issues. In both cases, the issue is that things are still too good right now. Men can still run to the Phillipines or Thailand to get a wife, whites can still move to Utah from CA.

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Traveller April 27, 2011 at 12:18

I agree with Firepower. Not I had imagined that before.

That description of WN is never relevant. Every time we see a video of a white being beaten or kiled by not whites just because of skin color, many and many will open their eyes on the race problem. At least I hope.

And there will be always someone calling them racist or WN.

So did you see the President released after years his birth certificate? How much time finding a crack for Photoshop.

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ahamkara April 27, 2011 at 12:47

I don’t agree with white nationalists or separatists or supremacists or whatever you want to call them, but at the same time I think it is unproductive to call them trailer trash and such. It only provokes them, as can be seen in the comment thread.

For me, it is enough to say… I don’t think that way about race, and I don’t think the two movements have anything to do with each other.

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W.F. Price April 27, 2011 at 12:56

I don’t often get into personal details much, but the only man who voluntarily involved himself in the case on my ex-wife’s behalf after I filed for divorce was a committed white nationalist. This despite the fact that my ex characterized me as, among many other things, a racist bigot.

Kind of hard to forget those things…

Augenblick April 27, 2011 at 13:00

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wondermonkey/2011/04/cannibalism—what-is-it-good.shtml

Bonobo Cannibalism, can anyone have a teory that differs from the inocent “cientists”.

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Gilgamesh April 27, 2011 at 13:01

I get the feeling nearly all of those “Aryan princesses” secretly prefer black dick.

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David Linton April 27, 2011 at 13:28

In my experience with White Nationalism, it is primarily the religious white nationalists that are the most pussy-whipped of the bunch. I’m talking Christian Identity, Christian Kinism, and any sort of Norse paganism. And though some of them aren’t white nationalist -that whole neo-Confederate crowd as well (by which I mean the League of the South, Vision Forum, Christian Reconstructionism, etc.)

Some drifters in those circles may be clued into women, but the majority are the very sort of men Esther Vilar rightly derided as slaves and workhorses, conditioned in infancy for dependency upon female admiration and praise, and serving her to the detriment of personal growth in later life. If you’ve ever been in one of these fringe circles for long enough to get to know the people in it, it probably amazed you to discover that, for all his tough talk, the white nationalist husband is completely hen-pecked and at the mercy of his wife, who, due to his engendering her with children/hostages, becomes increasingly emasculated and trapped in bogus religious presuppositions (presuppositions which, if he had remained single, would have been examined further and promptly discarded). Their pride may prevent them from owning up to that fact at first, but I’ve known more than one who confessed to being trapped.

So many of these right-wing guys will convert to some sort of religious ideology in their youth, invest their time and resources amassing books, writing articles for publications, and making contacts and friendships. Then, if they’re “lucky”, they’ll get a little honey-hued treasure of their own, get marriage 2.0 underway, and proceed to “settle down” on a farm somewhere in rural Tennessee or Virginia.

It simply does not occur to them that marriage is not what it used to be in terms of the contract itself, and that you can’t have a “traditional marriage” living in the United States. But then again, living in a fantasy world of religious idealism is the only consolation a white nationalist/far-right man has. Since his world-view has made life on earth miserable for him, he has to console himself with the idea of heaven (ironically, the same heaven that was first preached to Jews -streets of gold; what purpose does gold have in eternity? Ah, but Jews love money!). The truth of the matter is, conservatives are the losers of history -and always have been. And we are at the end of Western Civilization -you can’t fight death, it’s some thing we all have to face.

Make no mistake about it, right-wing cults and churches exist to continue propagating patriarchal fantasies, when the reality is that women conquer men and marriage is a gynocentric fairy tale. These cults/churches/homeschooler cliques raise obedient work-horses for the system (and thus for women) -witness Erik Prince, former CEO of Blackwater. Religious institutions are good for the daughters of married (and unmarried) men -not sons. The tightly-controlled communal atmosphere and neurosis-creating dogmatism can potentially keep that hymen intact for a little bit longer than typical of the average American slut, but it only makes their sons fodder for MATER-ialism and the MATRI-x.

Eccentric young men that want to try and “save the white race” should first 1. Read Oswald Spengler and move away from pop conspiracy research in favor of geo-politics and world-historical pessimism 2. Realize that things like the Confederacy existed in the past, and the past is where they shall forever remain 3. Read this website, Pook’s Mill, and MGTOW Forums to understand that “family values” are a joke, and that white nationalist movements are primarily led by married men that made a stupid decision as Nice Guys in their youth, and are trying to create a safe breeding environment for their daughters, while simultaneously justifying their own enslavement to, and amongst, themselves.

Whatever you do, don’t get married. Instead, if you’re a skinny nerd like I was, learn Game, start eating a high-protein, low-carb diet, join a gym, and get buff. It will increase your testosterone level and make you feel more like a man -thus boosting your confidence and gaining female attraction. Read “The Moral Animal” by Robert Wright, “Sex and Character” by Otto Weininger, “The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar, and, “The Joy of Not Working” by Ernie Zelinski. If you’re out of your parent’s house, and before a wife, than you’re at a vital time in your life where the potential is unlimited. Don’t get wrapped up pursuing a lover -enjoy her company, and leave it at that.

Scrap the meaningless chivalry of yesteryear, and concepts like “honor” and “masculinity”. It is ‘masculine’ to be a hard worker (for whom? Wal-Mart? A corporate tech job?). It is ‘honorable’ to always be nice to women (and women won’t respect you if you are nice). It is ‘masculine’ to join the Marines or the Army (which now exist to spread feminism around the globe). Cast “honor” aside -women don’t have any, and only make use of it for their own gain.

It is true that living in America is like living in Disney World. But what’s the point of bitching if you’re at Disney World? You might as well just enjoy the ride -some thing bitter right-wing hubby-wubbies only come to realize after the fact.

By then, if they have children, it’s too late.

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scot April 27, 2011 at 13:38

Im not interested in white nationalism, but one could say ( and be fairly accurate) that most of the new “gender-raunch community” who have “constructed” the organized attacks, and have perverted Americas law enforcement, are white middle class “gender-raunch”.
The matriarchal underclass need a basic education, and “gender-raunch” who develop and dominate American public policy “give them condoms” instead.

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Rebel April 27, 2011 at 13:45

@David Linton :

Well said, sir. And great choice of books.

My hat’s off to you.

+10

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scot April 27, 2011 at 13:51

The matriarchal underclass where a clear majority of societal violence is coming from, need a basic education. so what do the white upper-class gender-raunch community, who dominate American public policy do to address this issue.. ” give them condoms”.

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greyghost April 27, 2011 at 14:01

I’m a black man and I welcome whole heartily white men acting like men. You don’t have to bash other races to handle your business and a hard man of non PC character knows it. Pussy worship is the biggest threat to all men. As mentioned before some white saying she was raped by a black man and then a bunch of white knights lynch a black man after a few are killed black and white. Only to be explained away as racism. Just Like enforcement of VAWA locking up black men is seen as racism rather than misandry.
I don’t want to sound like I’m on his jock , but I will say Welmer has a good attitude on the subject. BTW that was one hell of a posted comment from John.

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Reality April 27, 2011 at 14:06

yes, I’ve tried to get on those White Pride Sites and immediately started discussing how fucked up the modern white female is and was INSTANTLY banned! I was actually shocked. I thought it would be a no brainer that WN types would (OF COURSE) not want white women to be complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over- I mean how you hope for the white race to make a ‘comeback’ if the white family is falling apart?!? One of the very reasons whites are so demoralized and broken politically and culturally is EXACTLY because of the modern American female. It’s just bizarre- these guys really are idiots (at least in this regard).

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ck April 27, 2011 at 14:12

Funny, I rather love my own people as do the NAACP, LULAC, LA RAZA and the rest of the other races love their own. As they should. Why is it wrong for the “people of the west” to advocate for their own well being and survival as well? I don’t live in a trailer, don’t smoke. don’t drink out of a can. I speak well, run a business, I am of southern heritage and can read and write. I drive a BMW not a pick up. I shoot often and well. Spent over a decade in the service of the former United States. I could go on and on. Whites compose less than 7 percent of the globe now, Yet we created the entire modern world and it’s improvements and tech. White males are portrayed as moronic fools and beta males by our “betters” now. I seek not the servitude of other peoples but the survival and liberty of my own, nothing more. I am tired of being the whipping boy for all the worlds ill’s, past, present and future. If we are bred out of existance, the world be a dark, bitter place. “Stand and fight with me now or die alone later”.

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Tom936 April 27, 2011 at 14:34

The “White Knight Nationalism” article needlessly provoked a conflict that does us absolutely no good. I don’t believe most WNs are seeking a fight with us.

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Keyster April 27, 2011 at 14:40

“…in greater disproportion to their population percentage.”
VERY politically incorrect for you to say so sir, very.

Caucasians have slowed their breeding to virtually nil, the last 20 years or so. Hispanics are taking over in not just immigration, but family power. They will easily be the majority race in the USA before the 2nd half of the century.

Not saying its good or bad, but it’s eminent.

Feminism drove a wedge between men and women, established American culture and the nuclear family, and it ain’t comin back.

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Opus April 27, 2011 at 15:05

Welmer

It has never occured to me that you were a Racist Bigot.

I would very much like to see a Racist who was not Bigoted and a Bigot who was not Racist – it must be possible but they tend to go together like Tom and Jerry.

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W.F. Price April 27, 2011 at 15:15

Welmer

It has never occured to me that you were a Racist Bigot.

I would very much like to see a Racist who was not Bigoted and a Bigot who was not Racist – it must be possible but they tend to go together like Tom and Jerry.

-Opus

Oh, they’ll throw every bit of dirt at husbands and see what sticks in divorce cases here. In the meanwhile, the husband is frowned upon if he trashes his ex.

The process would be a funny joke if it didn’t involve one’s children and livelihood.

Phil April 27, 2011 at 15:23

Keyster- Feminism has almost destroyed the European family. Feminism was used as a ethnic weapon against Europeans. Feminism was about destroying the European family- that ideology convinced European women that they shouldn’t marry young, shouldn’t be a housewife, and shouldn’t have 4 or 5 kids. In the Soviet Union in the 1920′s, state-promoted feminism was destroying the Russian family, until Stalin took power and changed family law. Feminism told European women that their main goal in life is to have a career- husband and kids are optional.

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phil white April 27, 2011 at 15:32

“Comment of the
Week”

If you can’t discredit the message, discredit the messenger.

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namae nanka April 27, 2011 at 15:38

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1300

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/05/devils-bargain.html

Once the wifey has neutered her hubby, it doesn’t matter if it’s the neighbor or a bum invited as a guest on her own whims.
What’s the point in putting up a castle first, when her nagging will chase him out and into the “brothel”, and then she goes touring the world for “love”?

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Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech April 27, 2011 at 15:40

@Gilgamesh

I don’t know if the” aryan princesses” really prefer black dick as much as enjoy playing” let’s you and him fight”. White nationalism is good for that.

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Classic Joe April 27, 2011 at 15:40

Good lord, without all the trailer/pickup truck/cheap beer comments that thing would be about 3 sentences. To be fair you should post an article about crackhead ghetto negroes eating watermelon, fried chicken, and hanging around all day on the street corner with forties. It should go on and on with this sort of thing because it’s very important and also original and in need of lots of repeating. Then we need something about a 500 square foot house with 40 mexicans living in it. There are always some old guys sit out in the front yard who come on to every 12 year old girl they see. I wanna write one about the irish. It’ll be a sad story where an oppressed people long thought to be trash get an opportunity to prove the stereotypes wrong but turn out to just be trash. What a bummer. I’ll go on and on about what a remarkably high percentage of them look like circus freaks and how the men are a bunch of ridiculous fragile little girls. I’ll probably mention a bunch of times that research out of ireland has the average irish iq closer to blacks than whites. Bringing that up always makes me smile.

I couldn’t care less about white nationalism but this is really just very unoriginal and unfunny. It’s not funny, not clever, I didn’t learn anything. I might as well be a feministing

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David F. April 27, 2011 at 15:51

I need to clarify some terminology. “White Nationalism,” strictly speaking, is a pan-European or pan-Aryan racial nationalist movement. It may be left wing politically (i.e. national socialist), and discounts national identity in favor of racial identity. The Occidental Observer and Counter Currents tend to favor this approach. White Nationalists are often very hostile towards orthodox Christianity.

White Nationalism should not be conflated with the pro-white/racially aware movements that derive from the Old American Right. These include the paleoconservatives, Southern regionalists, and the new “alternative right” which emerged from paleoconservatism and is best covered by the website of the same name. These movements are explicitly right-wing, and their worldview tends towards a pre-modern appreciation for hierarchy, a classical/medieval Catholic cosmology, fixed gender roles, etc.

“White Knight Nationalism” ignored Locklin’s superb (and hilarious) critique of American women in favor of focusing on the most silly comments. The “shaming language” is the product of a hypergraphic quasi-troll who has made herself a fixture at the site under a number of different names.

I find it downright bizzare to use comments on Alternativeright.com as an example of misandry in the WN movement. First, Alternativeright is not properly WN. Secondly, if one thing characterizes the site overall it would be the total rejection of feminism and its allied social movements.

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Gilgamesh April 27, 2011 at 16:08

@pro-male True, but I was going from the “racists have a closet desire for interracial sex” angle.

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Herbal Essence April 27, 2011 at 16:11

I understand the need for a tribal identity, and the joys of celebrating one’s culture. But we’re best served by being open to the contributions of all like-minded men and women, regardless of race. To make the men’s movement about skin color would be really self-defeating.

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Sean April 27, 2011 at 16:16

Seems like all the major dividing points are on the table these days:

race
sex/gender
social class

So, as a white, working class man I can pretty much look in any direction and shout “Fuck You!” and not worry about friendly fire. When you think about it that kinda makes life a bit more simple.

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Unamused April 27, 2011 at 16:25

Shaming language: it’s not just for girls anymore.

This post is trash.

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Taltos April 27, 2011 at 16:36

I’ll just leave this here:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/02/romantic-commitments-part-1-2/
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/02/romantic-commitments-part-2/
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/02/romantic-commitments-part-3/

This is the ultimate written endurance test not too different from the conscious men video. I made it till the half of the first article skimmed the rest. How would the average White Spearhead reader fare? I consider myself a race realist but shit like this just makes me lose all hope in any WN movement. Stormfront is not much better either in this regard.
Probably the best solution would be to let society organize itself according to Austro-libertarian principles. Let the races freely associate among themselves and exclude anybody they want and make women fully dependent on men and family again due to the absence of a publicly funded social safety net.

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greyghost April 27, 2011 at 16:39

“I understand the need for a tribal identity, and the joys of celebrating one’s culture. But we’re best served by being open to the contributions of all like-minded men and women, regardless of race. To make the men’s movement about skin color would be really self-defeating.”
From Herbal Essence
He has a good point and I will add just plain stupid because it will allow misandry to pass falsely as racism. And guess what the misandry will get away free because the charge of racism will truely be false. There are a lot of non white men that read and post comments to this blog. Would be interesting to see how many .

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TFH April 27, 2011 at 16:44

When I asked OneSTDV point blank whether the dropping white birth rate was more due to a) feminism of white women, or b) colored people, he unhesitantly answered b).

He actually thinks colored people are the reason white women have fewer children than WNs would like.

I categorize both OneSTDV and Obsidian as more similar to each other than different. They are both ‘race obsessed’ people, and cannot believe that others might not be race obsessed. At least Obsidian also writes abotu Game. Comments I have seen WNs write include :

1) That Turk Roosh just uses ‘Game’ as a front to hide his real goal, which is to bring Sharia law into the West.
2) Lilgrl married Epoxy in order to miscegenate with him to harm white genetic purity (until they found out that Epoxy is only half-white).
3) TFH is so obsessed with obliterating the white race that he became a sperm donor.
4) Ferdinand Bardamu is a race traitor for saying some colored women are attractive.
5) Bhetti, like Roosh, seeks to impose Sharia law in the West. Being in Med school is just a ruse.

Yep, they think everyone is driven by urges comparable to their own. In this way, WNs are identical to feminists, as far as assuming the ‘other’ is an enemy to be exterminated, and most of what they see is projection.

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TFH April 27, 2011 at 16:47

Note that the present cover of Newsweek is yet another misandric story about the ‘mancession’, gloating that men have it bad.

But it cleverly talks only about WHITE men (implying that colored men are not similarly disenfranchised).

By cloaking misandry in racism, it will allow misandry to get a free pass.

Just like the Duke Lacrosse case (where misandry was cloaked in an attempt to create a racism narrative).
Or the OJ Simpson case (where racism was used to obscure the real story, that of oppressive alimony laws driving a previously non-violent, famous man to snap).

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Avenger April 27, 2011 at 16:48

Welmer wrote, ‘This despite the fact that my ex characterized me as, among many other things, a racist bigot.’

Even if that were true what relevance does it have to a divorce proceeding?

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Anonymous April 27, 2011 at 16:49

I once had a coworker who was a white right-winger. He had good company with the other whites in that workplace except for me. He (and the rest) were married, drove, lived in the suburbs and were homeowners. I was none of the above. The fun part was they all noticed I was happier than them as I was _free_ instead of going home to be a house slave.

That one right winger had this habit of “playing Monopoly with real houses” and kept moving farther and farther each time any minority member moved into his neighborhood du jour. He would complain endlessly about the workplace being Black Majority. Me, I’ve had more problem with the whites than any other group. For example, the whites would bug me about “when are you going to buy a house?”, “when are you going to buy a car?”, and “when are you going to get married?”. With the last one, my answer was NEVER.

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sestamibi April 27, 2011 at 16:53

greyghost, I wish I could vote up on your post at least a dozen more times.

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AfOR April 27, 2011 at 17:40

I think we should adopt Duke Nukem as the Mascot of our times.

http://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011-04/bitchin/

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Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech April 27, 2011 at 17:48

1) That Turk Roosh just uses ‘Game’ as a front to hide his real goal, which is to bring Sharia law into the West.
2) Lilgrl married Epoxy in order to miscegenate with him to harm white genetic purity (until they found out that Epoxy is only half-white).
3) TFH is so obsessed with obliterating the white race that he became a sperm donor.
4) Ferdinand Bardamu is a race traitor for saying some colored women are attractive.
5) Bhetti, like Roosh, seeks to impose Sharia law in the West. Being in Med school is just a ruse.

TFH, if you think that’s nuts, here is what a white nationalist said on my blog not that long ago:

I hope Sabrina and Kate both successfully trick you with multiple oops pregnancies, PMAFT, if you’re all white. You have lots of money and power. White men like you should have children and if you refuse with your MGTOW mental degeneracy your white goddesses should force it on you. It’s your duty to the white race. PMAFT, I know you don’t want glorious white children but you will understand why having white children is important after having them.

You should be excited at the possibility of reproducing with multiple white goddesses. You have the opportunity to be more evolutionary successful than the losers of this so called manosphere with their lack of reproduction or minimal reproduction with one woman. That is being a white alpha.

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Avenger April 27, 2011 at 17:51

HeyJoe, you’re right. Ireland has an avg. IQ of 93 lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations#National_IQ_estimates

OK, I don’t know how accurate that table really is and there are a lot of factors to consider. Many countries are diverse and a nationality is not the same as an ethnic group or does it take into account class divisions. And places like Hong Kong and Singapore are irrelevant because today they are magnets for the more upper class (the smartest).
These so called “white nationalists” are Generally just bitter lower class poorly bred and uneducated losers. If every Negro and Mexican suddenly disappeared from the US these people would still be at the bottom of the heap. Or do you believe they’re all going to become rocket scientists just because the non Caucasians are gone? And most of the race mixing they complain about is almost entirely done in the lower classes. Their fat fugly looking females are the ones who go after non Caucasian men. I’m afraid that these “white nationalists” live in their own little world at the bottom of the class ladder (and btw, they can live in the country or even in the city) and they only see what’s immediately around them. How can the Caucasian race be dying out when 99% of Whites, above the lower class trash ones, mate with other Whites and have kids with them? If a few upper class white men mary an upper class Asian, or whatever, this is like a drop in a barrel and doesn’t even effect the Caucasian race.

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Omega Man April 27, 2011 at 17:53

@ Stonelifter
“W. N.’s sound like leftist because they are leftist”

They’re probably former leftists reacting to the political correct b.s. and white male guilt tripping that the feminists and their mangina comrades been pushing.

@Anonymous

I tend to be a lone wolf because it seems that the first thing out of some people’s mouth is “What do you do for a living?” instead of something interesting.

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Jeb April 27, 2011 at 18:01

I don’t know if the” aryan princesses” really prefer black dick as much as enjoy playing” let’s you and him fight”. White nationalism is good for that. – PMAFT

Actually, once one gets out of the false binary terminology of only Alpha & Beta, and begins to include Omega & Zeta the whole white girls like black boys comes clearer into focus, and it certainly is based upon racism and stereotypes.

First, since the Alpha & Beta terms have been so horribly abused, and now made even further confusing by Vox’s ridiculous notion of creating terms out of thin air like Delta & Gamma & Sigma, here is brief definition of what I am talking:

Alpha: The top male. He does not get laid like a fiend, although he could get many women. He gets the best chick and she beats off all the other chicks with a stick. The Alpha is the “10″, once the chick has the ten, who does she hypergamously “trade up” for? He gets social proofing not by screwing dozens of chicks, but rather from dating the best chick. All women know who the best chick is, and should the Alpha become available, all the other girls will rush to be his new girl because that means she will then rise to the social position of “best chick.”

Beta: Most males. They are not weak-willed losers, but they are merely the men who are not number one. There can be only one. When younger, Beta males usually get more sex than alphas, as they sort themselves within the socio-sexual hierarchy, and date and break up serially before they settle down of suitable socio-sexual status. You can’t have twenty-five star quarterbacks. One alpha will always rise above the rest, who become betas. The best PUA you know would quickly become a third-place beta if he hung out in Brad Pitt & George Clooney’s social circle.

Omega: The criminal and scum class. Evil men, drug dealers, bad-boys, gangsters, scoundrels, sexual deviants, cads, have multiple sex partners, can’t form stable relationships…

Zeta: The weak-willed male. He rarely gets laid and when he does he gets viciously exploited by females.

In game circles, where only the false binary terms of Alpha & Beta are used, Alpha & Omega traits are often confused/lumped into one, and Beta & Zeta traits are similarly confused.

What is going on with the whole “white girls like blacks” is based upon the bad-boy, chicks love thugs thing.

Women really do like low-quality badboys, assholes, criminals, cads, and so forth. In other words, they are attracted to Omega traits – mostly because like attracts like, and women are low-quality themselves.

When white women say they like blacks sexually, what they are referring to is the racially stereotyped black bad-boy that is part of a gang. They certainly aren’t interested in decent black men wearing suits and going to their boring office jobs as accountants.

It shows the racism of white women, because she stereotypes black boys with “criminal class”, and women are highly attracted to evil.

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Lovekraft April 27, 2011 at 18:18

Firstly, I must commend Mr Linton for his insight. Glad for your input. I will bookmark Pook’s Mill and, btw, in the definitions of men, I am a former nice guy, currently a ‘loser’ and always an idealist.

As for this article, I commend you Welmer for delving into those sites and bringing back a summary. Same reason I appreciate those who stomach feminist sites. I refuse to either provide my insight, or stoop to mocking.

In Mala Fide has recently presented similar articles on this theme. Threw me off at first as, being in a pc-dominated culture, I am wary about how outside observers would perceive it. But, since this seems to be the end times for the Anglo-Saxon, I say ‘what the hell, let’s push back.’ If PC can advance an environmentalist/homosexualist/feminist morality on us, then we can advance our own.

That said, I believe that race is one of the core definers of our identity. Sure, there’s many, many nuances (French, English, Aryans, Dark, urban, rural etc), but this is the way it is. Religion, ideologies like liberalism/socialism try to divert this truth, and is able to only partly deal with racial affinities.

But man is a biological entity and with his eyes and the blood flowing behind them he recognizes kin.

What can move us beyond and above these primal instincts and create true brotherhood?

Christianity. Intelligence, humility and above all, art. True art that peers beneath the human condition to reinforce Christian ideals of love, mercy and brotherhood.

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Lovekraft April 27, 2011 at 18:26

things like The Burning Man festival should be examined in that they try to move culture beyond racial identity.
But then it became corporate, charging for water, pushing leftist themes.

I wonder if there could ever be such a movement that incorporates left, right and everyone in-between.

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scot April 27, 2011 at 18:42

New gender-raunch feminism is more of a threat to America than white nationalists.
Society will soon reach a point where heterosexual white women will become so disillusioned with what gender-raunch has done to higher education in America ( purging hetero-males); that they themselves will start to “break the Alliance” with the more “anti hetero male gender-raunch” wing , of feminism.

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Anonymous age 69 April 27, 2011 at 18:42

>>So, as a white, working class man I can pretty much look in any direction and shout “Fuck You!” and not worry about friendly fire. When you think about it that kinda makes life a bit more simple.

Hee, hee, a great one!

@TFH, I think you need to go back and study the OJ murder case again. She was murdered a couple weeks after he was served with court papers, petitioning to have his parental rights taken away.

It was obvious to me based on my work with divorced men that she deliberately provoked him by giving BJ’s to men in front of her living room window while his kids were in the house. He would punch her..So, did she shut the drapes on those windows, or hire security to keep him out, with all that money she got from him? No, she wanted him to hit her until she has a solid case then get rid of him but not his money.

And, I am also convinced her sisters and mother were coaching her to accomplish this goal.

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Classic Joe April 27, 2011 at 18:50

Another thing that’s bugging me a little is that when it comes to practical discrimination against blacks in the states the one doing the discriminating is far more likely to be an urban catholic than a hick. Hicks are a very mixed bag when it comes to racial attitudes. Some are prejudiced but many are not. On the other hand, in my extensive experience almost all urban irish and italian catholics are prejudiced against blacks and will discriminate against them. These people also like to make fun of rural whites. They don’t typically know any hicks so they like to resort to very worn out cliches and stereotypes like this comment of the week does.

Where I work right now is a good sized office in a chicago suburb. Of the 75-100 people exactly 0 are black. The leadership is pretty much all catholic, mostly italian and irish. There’s another office in a large southern city and I’ve seen several group pictures and that office is clearly very racially integrated. The leadership is mostly or all protestant and is far more likely to have typical hick roots. I occasionally suffer through the massholes I work with making comments about the southern whites being crackers or something. One time some guy made a comment like this and I pointed out that when you look at the group pictures in the aisle, there are lots of blacks in the cracker office and none in the catholic one. It’s not subtle.

I know I’m a little off topic and I don’t know squat about white nationalists but I think something that is relevent to the topic of race relations has been ignored in this discussion so far.

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Donn April 27, 2011 at 19:12

“I would go so far as to say that the MRM and WN share all the same real issues. In both cases, the issue is that things are still too good right now. Men can still run to the Phillipines or Thailand to get a wife, whites can still move to Utah from CA.”

I can assure you that me and WN have .zero. in common. Least of all skin color.

My memo to the numerous white supremacists on this site:

1. I don’t give a shit about you shouting white pride worldwide, I wouldn’t give a damn if you had a white pride day, you can have it right with other outmoded celebrations like Black History Month.

2. You pussies go on and on about blacks/groids/coons needing to be exterminated, what’s stopping you? Instead of just whining and making internet bullshit plots, go string up your local black neighbors if you’re so serious. Hell, go to a predominately black neighborhood, considering us negros are a subhuman race you should have zero problem cleaning up shop.

3. Spare me your fucking sob stories, between being looked at as an ape by white idiots and being relegated as an uncle tom by black thug idiots(which is an automatic imposed celibacy by their hood-rat cohorts) there’s plenty of shit I could sit at my keyboard and whine about, but it’s easy to talk when you have net-courage brought on by anonymity.

Basically, Shut the fuck up. Use your real names, and actually start doing something.

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John April 27, 2011 at 19:38

The day that “Whites” think that we are above criticism or reproach from our own (and when I refer to “own” I’m not referring to those Whites who chose the Blue Pill and liberalism in its modern context) is the day everything is truly lost. We’ve got to clean our own house, period. And it will be a cold day in hell before I idolize Adolph Hitler and or buy into that “National Socialism” tripe. Note the last word – socialism. I don’t want White people on the dole any more than Blacks or Hispanics, and socialism axiomatically means Big Government. And how did Mussolini describe fascism? “It is the blending of government and big business, better described as corporatism.” Well, we’ve already got that. Fuggetaboutit.

And what does “Firepower” want? Congratulatory rhetoric directed to the Bush Beer crowd for not being as criminal as their Black and Hispanic counterparts? For not having as high of a percentage of single white female “mothers” on welfare and living in government assisted housing as do Blacks and Hispanics? Congratulations, Firepower! Well done! Really, I’m so damn proud of my kinsmen and kinswomen!

Another thing Firepower, are you telling us that you haven’t noticed the incessant “shaming language” coming from those harpies on the W.N. blogs? Have you become “immune to the stuff, oh yeah?” You and the rest must have, because if you were really listening to them all of you would have already gone out and started your very own race war! Someone earlier wrote something about the old “Let’s you and him fight” thing, and that exactly what those broads are doing. In terms of constructive ideas from them there’s maybe one well-thought out with pro-active content for every one hundred of the “Save the country of your forefathers! Act like a man and go out and kill those (insert here)!” It’s pathetic!

So what’s the response to that sort of idiocy? “Well dear, I’m sorry. I really can’t do that because I need at least 120 million rounds of ammunition and I have to go to work tomorrow. Maybe I can get to it next weekend after I get the lawn mowed and take the trash out. Okay? (snivel, snivel)”

A wise man once said to me, “John, don’t ever catch yourself comparing yourself to the worst for then you will always perceive yourself as better than them and shall see no need for improvement. Rather, compare yourself to the best and then strive to be his equal.” Well there Firepower, I’m glad you and yours are doing far better than the Black criminal class. Now, what are “we” going to do to raise our own level and what are we going to do to bring our womenfolk back around the being our “helpmates” instead of our vitriolic competitors? I’m patiently waiting for the answer just like Dalrock did while he waited for those Churches who preach against frivolous divorce to notify him of their efforts.

He’s still waiting. I’m still waiting.

White Separatism is a grand idea, but that won’t change a thing unless “we” change as well. Doing an “all white” thing is meaningless without the re-adoption of the culture and philosophy that made European civilization as it was before it was rent asunder during the Enlightenment. There are “all white” neighborhoods located all over this country that exhibit every social malady possible, and they are discussed in the M.R.M blogs as well as the W.N. and Separatist Blogs. Adultery, fornication, abortion, drug use, alcoholism, theft, violence, suicide, rampant feminism, divorce at horrific levels, kids dumped at day care, careerist women, latch key kids, shall I go on forever and ever, amen? Sorry for criticizing my own and all, but what the hell? Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away and neither does a 12 pack of Bush. So what are “we” going to do to turn it around?

I’m waiting.

As things deteriorate economically, I predict that it will become far easier to make a cogent argument for a “White State” as the generally one-sided level of inter-racial violence climbs exponentially. With that increase, the typical SWPL-types will finally begin to realize that this social experiment was pure idiocy and will seriously consider the fact that separation is the only “safe” recourse. Want to repel a natural ally – your kinsmen? Go all Hitler, yell “National Socialism” and start waving the Swastika in their face. No, we must re-adopt the philosophies and arguments of the “Old Right” and re-establish what was once known to all who witnessed it as good. You know, be that “Light unto the world” instead of a damned sinful embarrassment.

On a note of fairness, I think it an imperative that some form of communication be established with Blacks of like mind. Yes, believe it or not, there are actually a number of very good Black people out there who need to be and want to be leading their own kinsmen in the right direction, and their names aren’t Sharpton and Jackson. Blacks need good men to lead them no differently than do Whites, and unfortunately at the moment, the wrong ones are sitting on the top of the political heap for both races. Insofar as the Mestisto’s go, the same argument applies. It would be best if this idea could be broached before our government completely swamps the ship of state and all hell breaks loose. No one asked for any of this. It was thrust upon each and every person as well as the ethnic groups involved by “Others”, and they are evil by nature.

In the meantime, pray and pray hard…

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TFH April 27, 2011 at 19:46

hope Sabrina and Kate both successfully trick you with multiple oops pregnancies, PMAFT, if you’re all white.

Ugh. So an unwanted baby created only to draw child support (and government resources) is still a net positive for these people.

I see many similarities between WNs and the transhumanist misandrists. Then again, that comment is so over the top that it could very well be a shill seeking to make WNs look bad (an effective tactic). On a related note, I advocate the same tactic of pretending to be an extreme feminist, to make feminists look bad (when average guys see that other feminists and manginas are not condemning statements like ‘the male population needs to be reduced’).

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Ryu April 27, 2011 at 20:24

@ John,

I wrote an article on the parallels of WN critics and MRM critics.
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/04/09/how-to-argue-like-a-multiculturalist-the-catalogue-of-anti-maleanti-white-shaming-tactics/

Constantly refering to the Nazis doesn’t help your cause. I don’t call everyone on the MRM a bunch of woman-hating psychopaths, because it is unproductive and it is untrue.

I’m not going to detail every word written on what WNs should do. The Internet has many great search sites. You are not the first man in history to ask these questions. If you will only search a little bit, you may find the answers you are looking for.

Here is just one of thousands of articles:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/06/17/white-nationalism-can-win/

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DevilDog April 27, 2011 at 20:24

The Mens Rights Movement is about all Men, of all colors and backgrounds. It’s not only young/middle-aged White Men who are hurting in this climate, it’s all Men. Let’s not polarize ourselves and shoot ourselves in the foot.

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knuckledragger April 27, 2011 at 20:43

You have no interest i “racial matters” and “don’t really notice” about the race of other people?
Maybe you should; if you are White, there are a LOT of people off other races taking notice of YOU.
Worried you might be “trailor trash” or not familiar with the 5-dollar words that separate those with opinions from those who should pipe down? THAT DOESN’T MATTER; being a common laborer doesn’t mean you deserve the White Guilt that the “enlightened” like to dish out; these college kids need a shot in the mouth more than they need to decide who is allowed to have an opinion.
As for me, never owned slave, never met a slave, and not going to live like a slave… get your sympathy somewhere else.

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Herbal Essence April 27, 2011 at 21:13

knuckledragger-”As for me, never owned slave, never met a slave, and not going to live like a slave… get your sympathy somewhere else.”

Dude, every commenter I can think of on The Spearhead is enthusiastic about ending wealth redistribution and the welfare state. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

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Jay Hammers April 27, 2011 at 21:13

Thank you for those links Rebel. Great stuff.

As I just mentioned in another thread, I am disappointed as a man who wants to create real value but lives in a world where it pays better to deal in bullshit: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/04/25/book-review-conquer-the-crash/#comment-87375

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Lee Raconteur April 27, 2011 at 21:25

To make the Men’s Movement about Race would be tragically self-defeating.

There are three secret demographic weapons that MRM sites have:

1) 50% of the membership is under 35
2) 30% of the membership is Black
3) Some of the membership is Gay

When women or feminists weigh in and accuse us of being old, bitter, middle-aged white men, then those who are not quickly silence the critics.

To repeat:
Leave race out of this.

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ICW April 27, 2011 at 21:35

As a rule, one should probably avoid dating any woman who evinces a strong ideological bent, regardless of its direction.

I agree with the post; WN women are the worst, using shaming language and all of the rhetorical standards of far left feminism, but pinpointed at the very men who care about the future of the European peoples.

One piece of advice I got off Occidental Observer (and here, I disagree with the OP; there are some great commenters over there as well as Alt.Right) is that WN men should keep their ideology as a passion for the public sphere. Pick a woman who is good, decent and family-oriented. Women will slowly take on the moral and intellectual outlook of a man if he shows leadership. Used to be, white women knew how to be pro-white without turning it into an ideological display for attention-getting purposes.

Most of the so-called WN women are third stringers who’ve pulled an Amy Grant of sorts. They go for Nashville instead of L.A. because Nashville is an easier nut to crack; having then padded their resumes, they usually make a switch at some point down the road — going mainstream, where money and recognition lie. This usually involves some sort of religious conversion to multi-cult. A lot of this is going on with WN women, who are finding that the competition for publication and speaking engagements is too fierce for their own liking in the mainstream, so they carve out a niche in the backwaters of WN. And really, there aren’t that many WN women anyway.

I think WNs are sorely misguided when they talk about getting more women involved in the “movement.” Certainly, there have been many great white women who’ve advanced European civilization, but they did so almost oblivious to any ideological purpose.

WN women are no different from their lefty counterparts. I found a real woman overseas and have spent the greater part of the last six months reveling in true white womanhood. I would never for a moment consider any white American woman for dating/marriage material.

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assman April 27, 2011 at 22:28

People forget that there is a strong relationship between “white knighting” and racism. The fear of the racists was always that the black man would fuck their woman. Lynchings were typically because of sexual crimes. I agree that tying racism to the men’s movement is a big big mistake.

The real truth is that southern racism is just another manifestation of manginaism.

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E April 27, 2011 at 22:56

greyghost said…
“I’m a black man and I welcome whole heartily white men acting like men. You don’t have to bash other races to handle your business and a hard man of non PC character knows it.”

Awhile back when Obama’s universal health care plan was being hotly debated there was a question as to whether illegal immigrants should also be given universal health care. My opinion was an unapologetic, NO. Obviously Latinos would be the beneficiary’s While people would be picking up the Lion’s share of the costs. I saw that as unfair. A Lefty Liberal shot back at me, “You racist!” (yeah now that was a real original comment. I never saw that one coming. *sarcasm*)

Why is it racist for white people to defend their economic group interests by not wanting to pay for another group’s benefit? Oh but it’s perfectly okay for Latinos to expect Whitey to pay for their benefit?
I could go on all day listing a dirty dozen other examples where the Liberal establishment basically expects Whitey to just shut up and open his wallet.

Are you ready to take the red pill?
To understand why Liberals cannot see the hypocrisy of their position we need to look at the fundamental basis of their holy trinity of (multi-culturalism, diversity, tolerance). It is not about respect for all cultures but instead HATRED for white men. Yes folks that’s what it’s about. It’s all about stealing the white man’s money and trying to shame him into submission (by using dirty words like racist or bigot) so he doesn’t resist. White men need to learn that the other races basically sees him as a walking ATM machine. White people need to learn, unless they wish to become marginalized, there is no shame in defending their racial group interests by not wanting their money to go to other racial groups. Hey Blacks and Latinos do it all the time.

to greyghost:
I have nothing against other races. If I was a Black or Latino man and White society was dumb enough to give me free benefits then sure why not! My beef is with white Liberals who sold out their own race.

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Donn April 27, 2011 at 23:22

“When women or feminists weigh in and accuse us of being old, bitter, middle-aged white men, then those who are not quickly silence the critics.”

Absolutely, I wish a feminist WOULD say I oppressed her gender, I’d remind her of all the men, women, and children that were hanged from trees because of a woman’s false rape bullshit so fast that it’d make her break her neck from her head spinning so fast. I’ve made sure to use that as a silver bullet in any argument I’ve had with a feminist/chivalrist.

@E: and why, please tell, do you think those “free benefits” are being given? Hmmm? Oh, it’s because of the collective white guilt those in power feel for oppressing the minorities of the world right? They just want so badly to right those wrongs of the past right? fucking please, they give out all those benefits to bring about a shiftless, lazy population that won’t challenge anything the govt says in order to keep the bread and circuses going. Sure why not try and do anything about the numerous of us in jails, many whom lost the right to vote for being a felon, or tackle gangs and drugs problems when we can get money/housing/food for “free”. Here’s a clue for you, nothing is EVER given for free, those people didn’t sell out YOUR race, they sold out everyone so they could have more control. Shit, if I had the cash to just dole out to people to get them completely dependent on me and unwilling to question anything I’d do that’d be one of the soundest investments I’ve ever made, and if I could take from OTHER people to do the same thing without spending any of my own cash the answer becomes even more obvious.

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ben April 27, 2011 at 23:53

Any group that isn’t feminism should be considered an ally. White Nationalist, and black power groups, Muslim groups etc etc. Feminism is the big threat to our sons, not the other fantasists.

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Donn April 28, 2011 at 01:20

@ben: Disagree, especially on the WN tip for reasons I’ve already stated above. While I’m at it, I’ll say black power groups are an equally big joke, instead of intimidating voters and demanding to live free of taxes, why not go to a hood and do something productive. I have yet, and I may be wrong so feel free to correct, to hear anything about the “NBPP”(itself a misnomer as the REAL BPP has continually disavowed any connection with them)doing anything positive on a grand scale. Just because they’re not feminist doesn’t mean we should give them any kind of undue importance just for that fact.

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Robert in Arabia April 28, 2011 at 02:27

Since there is an ethnic group that trains professional trolls. it isunwase to let your SWPL prejudices do your analysis for you.

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Robert in Arabia April 28, 2011 at 02:27

Oops, unwise.

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stonelifter April 28, 2011 at 04:48

for the record, because some is a White / Southern Separatist doesn’t imply they want to wipe out non-Whites. It means you want to be left alone, to live in a place that honors your values, traditions and cultures

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 28, 2011 at 05:02

OT..Major Slut Spill. Hysterical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nijVBbTdcec

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Ken April 28, 2011 at 05:23

“I don’t often get into personal details much, but the only man who voluntarily involved himself in the case on my ex-wife’s behalf after I filed for divorce was a committed white nationalist. This despite the fact that my ex characterized me as, among many other things, a racist bigot”. >>>>>>
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Good point W.F.! :) THAT is exactly the form of hypocrisy I am talking about and have seen for myself regarding “radicals” claiming to be WNs etc. And the 2 females I have met of that philosophy were raunchy sluts who were soaking other men for child-support etc. So that world doesn’t offer this guy any solutions other than maybe meeting a hot female FBI Agent as she conducts surveillance! (haha) Seriously, you’re spot-on about these folks….FEW men and even FEWER women truly adhere to a ’cause’ and are narcissisitic like 90% of the populace anyway….so why waste time with them? “Radicals” oftentimes have something INSIDE them that needs fixing and so they reach out to a ‘Cause’ to blame others and feel better about their own selves.
Besides, being labeled “racist” or “bigoted” is way too easy nowadays…. and how does one really “prove” he or she is not racist, bigoted, etc.? That’s the rub, it is an accusation that sticks as soon as it’s spoken. Blah-Blah-Blah….give me the day when it doesn’t work in Court anymore! :)

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Ken April 28, 2011 at 05:52

“New gender-raunch feminism is more of a threat to America than white nationalists. Society will soon reach a point where heterosexual white women will become so disillusioned with what gender-raunch has done to higher education in America ( purging hetero-males); that they themselves will start to “break the Alliance” with the more “anti hetero male gender-raunch” wing , of feminism”.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bingo, Scot! Yes, the war against Hetero Sex will spark massive backlash from straight women in time…question is, would it be far too late by then?

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Aharon April 28, 2011 at 06:22

“… if you are lucky(?) enough to be able to decipher what they are trying to say because of their almost universal lack of analytical thought process and woeful grammatical skills”.
““Once again, fellas, the onus is on YOU to please women. Not the other way around”.

That was a good one. Thanks for the early morning laugh :)

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Depravo April 28, 2011 at 07:21

They even have a name for it – WNC – White Nationalist (Political) Correctness. I have noticed a lot of it in those circles.

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Aharon April 28, 2011 at 08:11

“White Nationalist (Political) Correctness”

Normally I would say that is an oxymoron type of statement sorta like a communist-capitalist or a vegan meat eater.

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yfr April 28, 2011 at 08:16

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Lovekraft April 27, 2011 at 18:26

things like The Burning Man festival should be examined in that they try to move culture beyond racial identity.
But then it became corporate, charging for water, pushing leftist themes.

I was thinking of going, so that sucks.
Think there’s still value in going for someone that hasn’t gone b4?

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Poester99 April 28, 2011 at 08:34

their minds, the Spearhead moderators should simply ban anyone suspected of white nationalist thoughts.

I’m glad Welmer’s more capable of handling “unpleasant” opinions and ideas than you are.
I’m grown up and prefer to get my information un-sanitized, or for delicate sensibilities.

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Firepower April 28, 2011 at 10:24

John

The day that “Whites” think that we are above criticism or reproach from our own (and when I refer to “own” I’m not referring to those Whites who chose the Blue Pill and liberalism in its modern context) is the day everything is truly lost.

You mistakenly hold the Modern belief that self-criticism is naturally virtuous.

Yet, I recall no twisted self-inflicted angst in Patton, Caesar, John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton – or any successful conqueror. There is surely none in Obama, either.

Also, Black leaders are never so foolish as to even criticize their “people” when they deserve it – when the black fills prisons in disproportion to their population percentage.

Then you totally lose control and start off on wild exaggerations imagining yourself being compelled to “idolize Adolph Hitler” and indulge in orgiastic anti-Bush fantasies.

I do not read WN blogs.

You are a self-loathing white male.

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 11:11

To bash white nationalists/separatists is the easy thing to do and it also gives you credit with the current cultural/political/ideological dictatorship (re: cultural marxism-feminism). Feminists, blacks, liberals will love you and you will feel politically correct so you won’t get trashed much by the systemic forces. Moreover you don’t even have to present any serious arguments to counter their claims, you just yell : “trailer-trash”, “fascist”, “racist” and it’s over (pretty much the same terminology liberals/feminists use to bash MRAs). So no real credit goes to all these lemmings (white or non-white) who jump on the “lets bash those evil WNs”-train.

Lets clarify something. If you are a white nationalist (or any kind of nationalist for that matter) you care about the future of your race, which means you want women to make babies (i.e. stay at home), thus you want patriarchy re-instituted as the only form of societal organisation which can sustain a thriving civilisation. So it goes without saying that if you are a WN you are by default pro-MRM and an advocate of patriarchy.

It is true that many in the WN community pedestal white women or care too much about their safety since in the multi-culti hellholes which we live white females are the main target of minorities and especially of black males (who in my experience their sole purpose in life is to have sex with white girls, for fun and for extracting revenge upon the “whitey”). Moreover, white women are specifically targeted by the media to have interracial relationships and sex, and since women are naive and fashionable they are easy targets. 60 years ago a white woman having sex with a black would meant a status similar to that of the “untouchables” of India (the lower caste in the Indian caste system) for her . Nowadays it is trendy. What did it change since then? The female mind? the female anatomy? Did blacks became more successful? Not much… Females are pretty much the same as they used to be and blacks are the same, maybe a bit more animalistic in their behaviour (in US I think it has to do something with the election of Obama). The factor which changed everything was the brainwashing of the fashionable white females by the media.
So what a WN individual can do? He goes against the whole world and tries to convince with arguments irrational beings (re: women), because at the moment he cannot do anything else. He knows that the key for the survival of his race are the females and that’s why he tries to protect them, mainly from their own irresponsible and dangerous actions. A desperate cause you might say. It probably is, no wait let me correct that, to convince a woman with arguments is DEFINITELY a desperate cause.
Desperation is rampant among WNs, but they are in a far better situation than the idiotic hedonists. Because WNs have a struggle to fight, a struggle which exceeds their personal lives and life-spans. At the end that’s the important thing.

Talking about hedonists…It is obvious that within the MRM there are many who have converted to the religion of hedonism-individualism (and yes it is a form of religion). Of course once you are converted to this religion nothing can really satisfy you. You become a slave to your own passions and libido. These sad creatures sooner or latter became depressed since their penises lose their stiffness, their hair fall and their belies become round, so the quality of women who can attract sinks rapidly. there is nothing funnier or more sad (depending on your perspective on the subject) than a 70 year old hedonist (most of them also don’t have any beliefs about an afterlife so they become even more depressed as the end approaches).

In this world and regarding the issue of feminism there are 2 kinds of people, smart and dumb. The smart people understand that for several decades there has been an organised plan to destroy the white family and western society. A key weapon against the white family is feminism. Feminists simply don’t care about the black rape culture, black violence against women and children, nor do they care about the “plight” of islamic women. Simply because they have a different target (re:whites) and they understand that islamism and blacks may not be friends and honest allies but they share a common hatred against whites and the western civilisation.
The dumb people of this world simply don’t understand that. I might add a third category, those who choose to ignore the aforementioned war.

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Ken April 28, 2011 at 11:26

Safe to say there is a common enemy we face…..
even if there are differences in our personal world-views on other matters :)

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 11:43

@John
“how did Mussolini describe fascism? “It is the blending of government and big business, better described as corporatism.” ”

It is one thing to use sentences out of the context, another to misquote. You did both. Anyway…
Mussolini never meant that corporations should run the state. The whole idea behind corporatism and the corporate state is not that wealthy capitalists will use the state for their benefit as you believe. Do some research on the subject plz.
Anyway, better leave fascism alone and even better don’t mimic the left which defecates on fascism and then describes as a fascist everyone it despises (i.e. anyone who isn’t a registered Democrat and a hardcore feminist). Fascism is a distinctly European political ideology and NS is solely German. You white americans could do well with a whites-only republic based on free enterprise and some form of democracy (not mass democracy of course and certainly not one where women will have the right to vote). Fascism and Caudillism aren’t for you, you don’t have the necessary strong catholic tradition, your culture is based on Calvinism and individualism. National Socialism is not for you either, since you lack the necessary German qualities and you despise socialism (not that NS Germany had anything to do with the socialism you imagine (i.e. soviet-style socialism)).
Better read O’Meara’s Toward the White Republic.

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andybob April 28, 2011 at 11:50

“I’m grown up and prefer to get my information un-sanitized, or for delicate sensibilities.” Poester99

Like Poester99, I want uncensored exchange of views and information. We are a not Victorian maidens swooning with attacks of the vapours if someone doesn’t like or agree with us. Some of the most insightful comments have occured in the heat of angry debate. We don’t need to like or agree with each oter all the time. This isn’t fucking “Glee”. Shutting down dissent is a feminazi tactic. Mr Price has worked hard to ensure that The Spearhead remains above that. This gives TS edge.

However, the MRM needs to be inclusive of all men who have seen the beast of feminism up close and been repulsed by its putrid breath. White supremacists are a bit thin on the ground in Australia. But my impression of them from their Net presence is that they don’t give a shit about men. They’d throw the lot of us under the nearest combine harvester if the vagina owners they worship cammanded them to. Talk about whipped.

They are attracted to the MRM like evil spirits to a ouiji board. They see that we are critical of one of the groups they purport to hate (females). Then, the WN’s get pissed because the MRM won’t hate on their other targets (just about everyone else: non-whites, non-christians, gays, non-Americans etc). On this thread alone, white supremacists have shown themselves to be quite womanly in their tactics. Notice how any white man who disagrees with them is accused of hating themselves and their culture? Reminds me of critics of feminism being accused of misogyny. This is just dishonest. Might work in Bubbaland, but not among the educated men of the Spearhead.

For the MRM to gain any traction in western societies, we need to distance ourselves from white supremacists. In the words of Lee Raconteur:

“There are three secret demographic weapons that MRM sites have:
1) 50% of the membership is under 35
2) 30% of the membership is Black
3) Some of the membership is Gay”

This fact would cause our little zieg heilers to suffer total meltdown (can we watch?). Our diversity is one of our key strengths. The fact is, the MRM is not an “angry, middle-aged, white-guy”movement. It is a Men’s Movement. This includes all different kinds of men. WN’s seek to undermine this strength. The exclusionary nature of these nazi trolls is what condemns them to anachronistic irrelevance. They are a menace to us.

I want white supremacists to voice their uncensored opinions here. The more they express their views, the more they reveal just what a hindrance they are to our goals. They condemn themselves. Thank you Mr Price for allowing me the uncensored chance to direct these klanspersons to goosestep over the nearest cliff and leave serious men’s business to the grown-ups.

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 12:00

“I once knew a guy who was overtly a White Supremacist and wouldn’t get into it at work, but off-duty he was way too angry to be cool. I also discovered that for all the race talk he did, he had on his video shelf a collection of X-rated videotapes….ALL of them of “interracial” theme!”

lol
Everytime I read a sentence starting with “? once knew a guy..” I know it will another pathetic attempt to generalise an anecdotal case, real or imaginery (mostly the latter).
How about you turn off the TV for a while and you stop watching Hollywood trash? I think you’ve already had too much propaganda swallowed.:-)

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 12:02

will be*

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Ken April 28, 2011 at 12:33

Cliche phrase yes, but real story nonetheless.
My point was…having known someone of the WN viewpoint who was a hypocrite after all his talk, I keep that guy’s hypocrisy in mind so I never become two-faced like that.

“Your enemies, now our enemies….not an end, a beginning!” :)

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 13:04

@Andybob

I enjoy your sheer desperation (camouflaged in your message as sarcasm and irony) that white nationalists have a voice here. Your feeble attempts to present your opinion as a general consensus obviously failed.
However! you shouldn’t get disappointed, keep on trying. It is obvious you have some perverted (but genuine) artistic vein.
It has been said that the language someone uses to describe his enemy (or his perceived enemy) most likely shows something about himself. Well I guess all these rantings about evil spirits and ouiji (sic) boards give a clear picture about your mental condition. Additionally, let us not forget the “diversity is our strength” (sic) slogan which you successfully parroted and tried to apply to MRM.

I also thoroughly enjoyed the unsourced statistics that you quoted in your message. I am compelled to ask: which ass did you use to pull them out?

PS BOO!

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Firepower April 28, 2011 at 13:30

andybob

“There are three secret demographic weapons that MRM sites have:
1) 50% of the membership is under 35
2) 30% of the membership is Black
3) Some of the membership is Gay”

Wowee. Care to share any other rainbow coalitions that achieved something of substance – or are you just listing the membership makeup of the Democratic Party?

btw. It’s easy to elect an Obama. Or be a rainbow coalition-loving Democrat. Just promise the stars – with a hugg, too!

This fact would cause our little zieg heilers to suffer total meltdown (can we watch?). Our diversity is one of our key strengths.

And, thank you Welms, for providing the rope for yet another Peace n’ Luv type to spew New Age Drivel – and hang herself.

A modern Rainbow Coalition like you break down above couldn’t even de-weed Lexington Common today, much less capture it.

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20thLevel April 28, 2011 at 13:59

All of the white power, white separatist, white nationalist bulls*** going on around here is derailing a perfectly good cause. Please take that noise over to Stormfront so that we can get back to trying to figure out the best way to halt the government sanctioned extortion of the male gender in the Western world.

Brofist to the non-haters.

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John April 28, 2011 at 14:05

@ Firepower

Whatever “firepower” you possess is without a doubt “sub-caliber”, like the whopping .177 as an example. That’s probably how you “pump it up!” It’s indeed interesting that you gave yourself a real “macho” moniker, and there’s no doubt that it’s just little more than a mask to hide what is an obviously insecure, under-educated, pathetic excuse of a man.

Come forth little boy, and let us re-examine what my initial commentary was about – “White Nationalist” blog commentary, the general quality thereof, and in particular the pedastalizing of “White Princesses” by White Nationalist males.

In the original article to which I commented, the author reprinted a rather lengthy incoherent diatribe sent him by one of these charming “White Nationalist” females. A “Proverbs 31″ woman she is not. In spite of her pathetic usage of grammar and substandard mechanical skills, she managed to indicate that she was of the firm opinion that white males exist to serve white females, period. Further, having myself visited a number of “White Nationalist websites over the years, the fact of the matter is that the male authors and commentors indeed put the above described women on pedestals undeservedly. Perhaps you should have ventured back to the original article where her full plate of vitriolic talents were on display so you might have had a bit of a clue as to what you were commenting on?

Is this subject a “Men’s Rights” issue? Of course. Is the fact that even though many of the articles posted on White Nationalist sites are generally thoughtful and well-written, that most of the commentary is intellectually subpar and much of that which is posted by the females does in fact tend to urge white males to both pedestalize them as well as go out and commit acts of violence relevant to discussion? Of course. And do the “White Nationalist” males tend to pedestalize the females on said web sites? Yes.

Quite properly and expectedly discussion then ensued and you came with criticism, as is your right. But was any of it valid? Let us take a quote from your last posting: ” I do not read WN blogs.”

Again, to quote “Firepower” – “I do not read WN blogs.”

That is an interesting admission. What was the subject we were discussing? WN blogs.

The subject at hand was the content and commentary associated with “White Nationalist” blogs, particularly that related to the male-female dynamic in that particular community. This sorry little twenty dollar “Red Ryder BB Gun” who calls himself “Firepower” attempts to dissect my commentary on the subject while simultaneously admitting that he doesn’t even read W.N. blogs (the subject), and then refers to me as “self-loathing” because I commented on a subject that I am familiar with and he is not.

Little “Red Ryder” boy, what I loathe as should everyone else is willful ignorance and stupidity. By your own admission you clearly stated that you are completely unfamiliar with the subject(s) delineated above (willful ignorance) and then in an exercise of gross stupidity decided to both comment on the subject and then followed that grand exercise of failed intellect by libeling an observer writer who is.

Well, “Git-R-Done”, Jackass.

Now go pop open a cold one, Red Ryder. You are simply an ignorant fool. And “Don’t shoot your eye out!”

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David F. April 28, 2011 at 14:07

My impression is that the most important points that a WN/paleocon could make to the MRM are already fairly well accepted at the Spearhead.

1. Feminism is strongly animated by a unique hostility to white, middle-American people and the social order they created.

2. The demographic decline of whites is one of the consequences of the collapse of the patriarchial social order.

3. White demographic decline will likely have very negative consequences for anyone below elite status in the United States, as Western standards of civility and rule of law are replaced with the corrupt ethnic politics and nepotism common to multiethnic third world nations.

None of these points imply hostility to other races. Black society, in particular, has suffered terribly from the destruction of patriarchy under the influence of welfare and feminist social engineering. Black men are a natural constituency for the MRM.

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Lovekraft April 28, 2011 at 14:13

@ John:

you are pretty much wasting your time with Firepower, for he has run out of anything relevant to say and is now reduced to female-type insults.

Hopefully he will go away, do some learning and come back with a fresh perspective.

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 14:23

David F.

I agree with most of what you said. With one exception, your point about black men being a natural constituency for the MRM. I believe we should be extremely careful with this and what kind of behaviours we condone and support. Because if black males love to impregnate black females and then refuse to be responsible toward their offsprings, as it is the rule among the black community in the US. That cannot bet an MRM issue and it should never be.
MRM is about the rights of men, not the “rights” of irresponsible thugs.

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 14:41

@John

in a reply to firepower regarding that moronic female commenter in altright you wrote:

“Further, having myself visited a number of “White Nationalist websites over the years, the fact of the matter is that the male authors and commentors indeed put the above described women on pedestals undeservedly”

This
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/the-magazine/the-case-for-open-borders/ is the article and the commentary of the article you were talking about. Please provide us with evidence which supports your opinion that WN males pedestalise that kind of moronic female. She was not even supported by the other female commentors (which comes as a surprise since we speak about women)

Anyway, I will be waiting, take your time.

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Classic Joe April 28, 2011 at 14:45

All this talk of whiteness has gotten too stupid for me. I’m definitely not someone who thinks that every type or person on earth can or should live together with every other type but the idea that the sole criteria for compatibility is whiteness is retarded. Any kind of separatist or nationalist movement needs some less superficial criteria to use to decide who they want to be. If you got an aquarium would you expect that any fish that were white could live together? See if you can figure out how to get a white bass and a great white shark to live in harmony in the same tank. It’s total nonsense, you need something more substantial.

There’s nothing inherently inhumane about people wanting to live with people like themselves. It doesn’t make you a hater or any other nonsense term like that as long as you go about building your nation in a humane manner. You shouldn’t just go to Rhode Island, kill everybody there now and declare it Crackerstan. I’ve thought for a long time that the USA needs to split up into a few different countries. People are too different and attempts to mix everyone together and pretend to like it won’t end well I don’t think.

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John April 28, 2011 at 14:54

Moldyweb –

Get off your duff and go find some W.N. sites yourself. My points have been made and they stand as correct. Enjoy the show.

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 15:03

@john

Your failure to provide evidence to support your point (hell I even posted the link to the article you have been ranting about to make your work easier) and your cherry-picking strategies (e.g. out of 4 female commentors you chose the one truly misandric) proves my point.

However, I quite enjoyed your funny attempt to “discredit” me by trying to ridicule my nickname. :-)

You wrote “My points have been made and they stand as correct”

Well, In time you may realise that self-proclaiming your points as correct doesn’t do the trick in debates.

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John April 28, 2011 at 15:08

Moldy-

A debate with what? You?

That article isn’t even off a W.N. site. Grown up, get off your ass and do your own research, just like Red Ryder didn’t.

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Firepower April 28, 2011 at 15:17

John

@ Firepower

Whatever “firepower” you possess is without a doubt “sub-caliber”, like the whopping .177 as an example. That’s probably how you “pump it up!”

Lady, you are an insect – a squawking parakeet.

An alleged white dispensing venom more upon his own race, than on the blacks and Hispanics that commit crimes, fill prisons, and engorge on social service bucks in greater disproportion to their population percentage is a self-loathing SWPL fool.

All you other retarded diversity lovers need do is turn off CNN, put your money where your mouth is and move to downtown Philly, Detroit or LA to volunteer for Habitat Fo’ Humanity. Maybe, go with Madonna on her next adopt-a-boon shopping spree.

Then, you can keep a journal of all the warm fuzzy feelings of gratitude…to melt our hearts!

huggz and sparkles!

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Maaldweb April 28, 2011 at 15:24

@John

As I demonstrated several times here, you have failed to backup your argument with substantial evidence. Thus your argument is invalid. Your attempts (rather funny and pathetic) to discredit me by using Ad hominem attacks simply cannot change the aforementioned.

Since you have demonstrated a gross lack of debating skills allow me to post here a definition of the term .

Ad hominem:
1.
appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.
2.
attacking an opponent’s character rather than answering his argument.

pro-tip, check out 2.

Come back again when you can provide evidence to what you say.

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Firepower April 28, 2011 at 15:33

Lovekraft

Hopefully he will go away, do some learning and come back with a fresh perspective.

Lovegash, all I’m going to do is continue putting a hot pepper up your ass whenever I find you intruding on MY webspace – like here.

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David F. April 28, 2011 at 17:24

I think this conflict is a tempest in a teapot.

First of all, white nationalism is filled with all sorts of cultists and eccentrics who have no real influence on anything, and concerning onself with their support for men’s issues is pointless.

Secondly, WN is not a robust movement and is likely to continue to decline. The reason for this is that their racial concerns have been assimilated into the regionalist/paleo/alternative right spectrum.

Many of Welmer’s editorials could have been published on Alternativeright.

The general attitude towards women on the racially pro-white right is that they should be modest, virtuous, and devoted to the domestic arts and the rearing of virtuous offspring. The only aspect of the MRM that is unpopular is Game.

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Stonelifter April 28, 2011 at 17:28

What am I doing to change things? Just aranged my whole life around it. The music I listen too, finding a place where myself and my brothers could work and own land, withdrawling from most of what the world has to offer, raised my childern to value what I value, mentor the White men who are ready etc etc.

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Phil April 28, 2011 at 17:45

Question for David F,

Are you the same David F. who has posted at Philip Weiss’s site mondoweiss?

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David F. April 28, 2011 at 18:20

@Phil: Yes! :)

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Donn April 28, 2011 at 18:28

@Firepower and now Maaldweb: I’m still waiting for the lynchings to occur. Just like you people say, “put your money where your mouth is”. I’m still waiting for the violence. Maaldweb you say white nationalists are so fucking desperate to protect their women right? Then kill as much as possible, go to those same neighborhoods Firepower mentioned and get started. I’m still waiting for the opening salvo from you pussies.

And considering the widespread acclaim you two idiots have gotten I think it’s high time The Spearhead tore off its veneer and fully announced itself as a white pride world wide website. As I have made quite clear, I don’t give a shit about you white nationalist fucks, but do not hide and cower while putting forth a “innocent” face. Actually get off your fucking computers and start something.

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Joe Taylor April 28, 2011 at 18:40

David Linton,

Since you mentioned Vision Forum, you may be interested to know that Peter Kershaw exposed much of the corruption that was going on there with his website Ministry Watchman, which, after being taken down by him for fear of an porn impending lawsuit on the part of Doug Phillips, was re-posted in its entirety on wordpress. That can be found here.

http://www.facebook.com/l/b0d43HNhJzlXc1e14zvsnmyEWLg/mininstrywatchman.wordpress.com

The MRM may find it interesting, as it chronicles a lot of things talked about by critics of Christian patriarchy. David, you especially would find it highly interesting I think, given Peter Kershaw and Jennifer Epstein both seem to hint-around about Doug Phillips being somewhat subservient to his wife Beall.

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Phil April 28, 2011 at 18:52

To David F.,

Good! Great to see you here. I do have a question for you. On mondowiess, you left a comment about something Prof. Paul Gottfried had said. You wrote that Gottfried said that many of his co-ethnics in the Civil Rights Movement weren’t really involved to help blacks. What his co-ethnics really wanted was to hurt Southern Whites. I printed out your comment, so I have it somewhere. Could you tell me where Prof. Gottfried talked about this? Was it in one of his books? I still remember that post you made from a few years ago.

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Robert April 28, 2011 at 19:14

The WKKK:

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug97/blues/klan2.html

Perhaps manboobz could write an unbiased article about this.

This?

http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/archive/resources/documents/ch34_02.htm

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Robert April 28, 2011 at 19:16

Perhaps they could write a book concerning the quotes of both: radical and “non” radical feminists and their quotes.

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Robert April 28, 2011 at 19:38

As far as I am concerned, there is only one race: the human race. I have encountered both: racism and reverse racism (racism by those whos’ skin color/ethnicity is the same/close to mine) and I AM TIRED OF IT! Rip the skin off of every man/woman and guess what? You will see the same thing(s) amongst them. There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve heritage just make sure your preserving of your heritage does not interfere with the desire of others desire to preserve their heritage. Pride? Pride comes before a great fall. Pride also, mixed with hatred, causes deadly blindness. The wise amongst us know this. An unaided blind man/woman can die (survival of the fittest). I have stated this before: skin colors cannot talk or communicate. Only the man/woman can do such.

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Robert April 28, 2011 at 19:42

Get a fucking clue. Those who sit in seats of power could give a fucking shit less if the color of you skin is the same as theres’. They love to divide and conquer. This IS how THEY WIN!

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Robert April 28, 2011 at 19:49

I hate those things that divide and separate people. We ARE on the same planet that revolves around the same star. If I said that my skin color was the color of glass what would it mean? It should mean nothing. Can glass, on/of its’ own accord speak?

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Robert April 28, 2011 at 19:57

This site IS NOT a color/race-based site. It IS a site where Men (regardless of race/skin color can speak/communicate as Men. Let us stop the quarelling among ourselves. If you possess a penis: feminism IS your enemy. If you possess a vagina: feminism IS your enemy. Feminists only care about conquering us ALL.

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Robert April 28, 2011 at 20:01

The “SCUM Manifesto” , “The Red Stockings Manifesto” nor, did the quotes of radical/non radical feminists (male and female) exclude one “race” or any others.

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Donn April 28, 2011 at 20:15

“This site IS NOT a color/race-based site. It IS a site where Men (regardless of race/skin color can speak/communicate as Men. Let us stop the quarelling among ourselves.”

Are you sure about that? I mean obviously this is merely white heterosexual males, I mean it’s not like people like Margaret Sanger wanted to exterminate the black population, no it’s purely just white heterosexual males in the cross fires while the rest of us loot/pillage/burn.

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David F. April 28, 2011 at 21:42

@Phil,

That discussion is from an excellent interview Prof. Gottfried gave on *The Political Cesspool* on 1/17/2008. You can stream it on the show’s website. I highly recommend it.

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David Linton April 28, 2011 at 22:25

Robert, if the color of the skin doesn’t matter -why does the shape of the genitals?

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Phil April 29, 2011 at 01:47

Thank you David F.

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Russ April 29, 2011 at 07:02

Articles like this create a false division. The harm to both men and Whites has the same root and are both part of the same plan for global hegemony.

As both a committed WN and MRA I’ve often noted that about 30-40% of MRAs are pro-white and roughly the same number of WNs are pro-men.

The solution to our problems will not come when all Whites unite (because women are too much a part of the problem and therefore can’t be a significant part of the solution), nor will our problems be solved when all men unite (because non-Whites are too much a part of the problem and therefore can’t be a meaningful part of the solution), the solution will only manifest when a critical number of White men unite.

This doesn’t have anything to do with hate. It’s simply realism. White men are the most creative, most fair, and best administrators. Societies only reach advanced levels and maintain them, when we’re running the show. It is in everyone’s best interests to remove women and non-Whites (at least in White countries) from positions of influence and authority.

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20thLevel April 29, 2011 at 08:11

@Russ

Your little race war fantasy ain’t gonna happen. Now THAT’S realism.

Now what?

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Robert April 29, 2011 at 08:27

Donn April 28, 2011 at 20:15
“This site IS NOT a color/race-based site. It IS a site where Men (regardless of race/skin color can speak/communicate as Men. Let us stop the quarelling among ourselves.”

Are you sure about that? I mean obviously this is merely white heterosexual males, I mean it’s not like people like Margaret Sanger wanted to exterminate the black population, no it’s purely just white heterosexual males in the cross fires while the rest of us loot/pillage/burn.

This site, as I understand it, was not created or intended to be a site about race/color. It was created so men could discuss and share thughts, opinions and, information regarding men’s rights, as well as other subject that concern men. Margaret Sanger. I still speak of her with disgust and derision as I do Mary Daly.

“no it’s purely just white heterosexual males in the cross fires…”

I have stated many times it is not just white men who are in feminisms’ crosshairs; it is all men, even those deluded enough to follow/suscribe to feminisms’ BS.

“while the rest of us loot/pillage/burn.”

Who is “the rest of us”? Streotypes; either believe in them and live them or, break free from them and destroy them.

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Robert April 29, 2011 at 08:29

David Linton April 28, 2011 at 22:25
Robert, if the color of the skin doesn’t matter -why does the shape of the genitals?

The shape of one’s genitals do not matter. I read somewhere that not all women were feminists and not all feminists were women.

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andybob April 29, 2011 at 08:53

“It is obvious you have some genuine artistic vein.”

Thank you Maaldweb. I have to cocede that at least some of your words are more insightful than others. Andybob

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20thLevel April 29, 2011 at 09:41

To anyone that gave my reply to Russ the thumbs down, I’m curious to know your reasonng behind it.

This oughtta be good…….. (Takes a sip of water, rubs hands together, leans back in chair)

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blert April 29, 2011 at 11:07

Modern Feminism is not a sui generis political movement.

It is but in the first rank of Active Measures — run by the KGB/SVR.

It was well understood decades ago that Feminism MUST work to destroy the American family.

Such disruption would necessarily lead to lower births — especially of boys.

Thus, at every turn, the KGB enhance the profile of EVERY famous Feminist you’ve ever read of.

The process is slow — decades long — but it grinds fine.

The best way to think about Active Measures is to think what would happen if someone placed a magnet close by a ships compass? ( After it’s been ‘boxed.’)

Such a ‘control influence’ would cause the captain to veer off course. Out on the open sea it would not be apparent until the ship was way, way off course.

Other Active Measures are used to enhance social turbulence generally.

Gay rights
Civil rights
Womens rights
Illegal immigrants rights
Labor rights

What they all have in common is social disruption and endless opportunities for conflict since the appeal is ALWAYS to the emotions and wrapped in victimhood.

Moscow never permits ANY of these trends for Russia. Gay rights in Moscow? What a joke.

Moscow does not care in which direction the Feminists march — it’s enough that they are marching. The KGB/SVR is an agency of empowerment for radicals — it is entirely unnecessary for Moscow to lead or control anything.

The more ‘natural’ the flow of politics the better it is for Moscow. The entire gambit only works because it’s so deniable. Like the magnet to the compass — the enemy holds up his hands and declares: “No strings, see.”

Famous KGB fronts from history: the PLO and Arafat. Trained in Moscow and totally funded/launched by the Communists to stir up the Arab street.

Moscow was and is totally involved in Syria and the Lebanon Civil War. Not surprisingly Arafat took up shop there and then.

In that civil war Moscow, using cut-outs, sponsored multiple factions in such a manner as to keep the conflict on the boil.

It is the distant dream of Moscow to trigger a similar civil war in the West — America in particular.

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ICW April 29, 2011 at 12:03

Predictably, there are a lot of voices here claiming that skin color doesn’t matter.

One thing separating WNs from everyone else is a recognition that racial differences are more than skin deep. Blacks have always functioned as matriarchy; black culture was broken before Arabs and Whites showed up to colonize Africa. Children didn’t know who their fathers were, there was no written language, there was no system of weights and measures… one can go cataloging the cultural poverty of Africa. I think all of these failures can be chalked up to the fact that blacks have had a separate evolutionary development for the past 50-100K years; leftists and Creationists sound the same when they start complaining about the fact that evolution is a fact that shapes human life.

Recognizing that black men are not the same as white men is important; European civilization is a product of of millennia of natural selection for certain traits, including creativity, intelligence and individuality. Monogamy was widely practiced even before the arrival of Christianity. All of these traits and behaviors were necessary for life in a much harsher climate. Not surprisingly, Scandinavians have an average IQ of 106. Stupid men were not selected for by women because they likely of survival for offspring would’ve been much lower.

Blacks will continue to have out-of-wedlock children at a far higher rate that whites. It is simply not in white interests to ignore centuries of consistently reported behaviors. Continuing to fund blacks with tax dollars is bad.

What are the origins of Game? They’re black. In matriarchal societies, Game works as a reproductive strategy and anti-social alpha behavior is rewarded by women. This is *very* different from the West, where civilization, science and spirituality attained far greater heights because of beta virtues. Beta is usually used as a curse word, but in fact, it accounts for much of the joys of being a white European living in an advanced civilization.

When Game theorists talk about acting alpha, they are recognizing that the U.S. is a matriarchy and that criminal/anti-social/disruptive behavior is a *short-term* solution to the shortage of women, a way of attracting females for short term sexually purposes. No different than any black ghetto in the U.S. or village in Africa. No one sane though would say mimicking alphas is good for civilization. Let the blacks have their Game; whites must focus on getting back to a single white society where our own evolutionary tastes can thrive. The cruelest thing anyone can do is pretend that blacks and whites are the same in every way; blacks are hurt because they will continue to lag cognitively and emotionally behind whites while whites will continue to be targeted for punishment by government and affirmative action programs.

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Classic Joe April 29, 2011 at 14:50

ICW – There are many very different kinds of white people. Skin color may matter but what you don’t understand is that it isn’t the only thing that matters. It just hit me today that the reason rural and white nationalist go together is because rural whites are so profoundly ignant that they think whiteness is enough. It’s gonna take me a few weeks to modify my belief system to account for this.

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Classic Joe April 29, 2011 at 15:02

@20thLevel – because he never said anything about a race war dumbass. If whites decided to go their own way and didn’t do anything to harm anyone else there wouldn’t be a war and they wouldn’t have anything to be ashamed of.

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20thLevel April 29, 2011 at 17:36

@Classic Joe

Russ:
“when we’re running the show. It is in everyone’s best interests to remove women and non-Whites (at least in White countries) from positions of influence and authority.”

Now how do you suppose one would go about doing that? By asking nicely?….not gonna happen.

By force then.

Sounds like a race war to me.

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Classic Joe April 29, 2011 at 17:59

@20thLevel – that’s more hypothetical. He means that whites are better at running things than blacks. You don’t have to agree with him. Yes, that could involve violence but it doesn’t need to. Whites could just declare some midwestern states to be whiteyland and vote out chicks and coloreds. I think it depends on what he means by white countries. The US has lots of blacks and of course it’s not their fault their ancestors got imported as slaves. It’d be immoral to try to disenfranchise blacks in the US but if some white people wanted to start a whites only country somewhere and went about it in a humane manner it might be the best thing for everyone.

Lot’s of things happen that weren’t foreseeable at some point. They aren’t all bad.

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20thLevel April 29, 2011 at 18:24

@Classic Joe

You still haven’t refuted my original statement AT ALL. His entire post was based on some “realist” bull**** and now you’re already backing up into “hypothetical” land. Hypocrisy, contradiction and false claims of innocent intentions hidden behind semantics are the breakfast, lunch and dinner that White Supremacists try to feed themselves and any sucker dumb enough to eat it up.

Go ahead and try and “remove” a non white from anywhere so that they can make room for your dumb ass. Just make sure you duck first.

“Hey guys! I’ve got a great idea!…Lets end feminism and misandry by starting a race war!”

Is it something in the water? Lead paint?….please tell me you weren’t actually born this stupid.

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yfr April 29, 2011 at 18:34

‘I’m glad Welmer’s more capable of handling “unpleasant” opinions and ideas than you are.
I’m grown up and prefer to get my information un-sanitized, or for delicate sensibilities.’

Welmer isn’t handling anything unpleasant – he’s re-framing it into something he considers pleasant.

Maybe that proves Welmer is a master of re-framing and manipulative rhetoric, but it doesn’t prove that he’s considering any external information. Welmer is indeed protecting his own delicate sensibilities in his own intellectually dishonest way.

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Classic Joe April 29, 2011 at 18:46

@20thLevel – he really thinks that whites are better at running things than non-whites. He really thinks that non-whites and women are a problem. Neither of those things require a race war.

If there was a race war, and the winner was determined based on something other than a slam dunk contest, whites would beat blacks easily. Blacks aren’t significant or powerful enough in any way for a large percentage of whites to ever get motivated to have a fight with them. If you want to understand what happens when whites fight each other rent saving private ryan or something. What black country could fight any white country? You can’t win a real fight with a big dick and game. There are a bunch of white and asian countries that could, if they wanted to, kill every human in africa without breaking a sweat. Are you planning to chuck spears at a nuke? What’s gonna happen?

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20thLevel April 29, 2011 at 19:13

@Classic Joe

“If there was a race war, and the winner was determined based on something other than a slam dunk contest, whites would beat blacks easily. Blacks aren’t significant or powerful enough in any way for a large percentage of whites to ever get motivated to have a fight with them. If you want to understand what happens when whites fight each other rent saving private ryan or something. What black country could fight any white country? You can’t win a real fight with a big dick and game. There are a bunch of white and asian countries that could, if they wanted to, kill every human in africa without breaking a sweat. Are you planning to chuck spears at a nuke?”

And this helps to end feminism how exactly?

It doesn’t…AT ALL.

What it does tell me that you , and when I say you I mean “you” personally…as an individual Classic Joe, along with Russ are either too dumb, too weak or both to compete out in the world on your own, so you wish to gain preferential treatment because you have the same skin color as someone who has actually done something noteworthy in this world. Hence the contradiction and hypocrisy of someone who all day everyday claims to want to eliminate unfair advantages and preferential treatment because they will succeed on their natural superiority alone.

In layman’s terms…go fu*k yourself and die in a fire because you are just as bad as the feminists. You are weak, and you hurt our cause like a plague.

I hope this clears things up a bit….cheers.

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migu April 30, 2011 at 04:50

$5.00 foam fingers available in the following varieties.
Wail on whitey
Nix the nigger
Gut the gook
splatter the spick
jail the jap.

Pick a side make me rich.

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Russ April 30, 2011 at 12:24

@ 20thlevel,

There’s no need for a race war any more than there is for a “gender war.” Simply re-leveling the playing field will return things to there natural, healthy state (i.e. no more affirmative action and other social oddities that favor women and non-Whites).

As for why folks are down-voting your posts, I think it’s because they recognize that you’re an idiot.

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Russ April 30, 2011 at 12:26

The above should have read: “return things to their natural, healthy state . . . .”

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Classic Joe April 30, 2011 at 13:33

@ 20thLevel – I think it’s possible that the best way to end feminism is for various groups who experience harm from feminism in somewhat different ways to fight it as groups rather than all people who are opposed to feminists fighting all feminists. This could mean that blacks opposed to feminism would devise a strategy for combatting it in the black community and whites opposed to feminism would devise a strategy for combatting feminism in the white community. I’m sure there are some areas where it would make sense to join up on a particular issue and fight together but it might make more sense to decide to do this on an issue by issue basis rather than force everybody together all the time. Mashing everybody together may result in there never being any agreement over what is important. Too much diversity might result in endless squabbling.

As far as race wars go, you brought that up. I don’t think anyone but you is interested in that. The dumb, weak and uncompetitive thing is typical lazy ad hominem nonsense that I’m not gonna be able to muster the motivation to respond to.

Russ says:
“when we’re running the show. It is in everyone’s best interests to remove women and non-Whites (at least in White countries) from positions of influence and authority.”

and

“It’s simply realism. White men are the most creative, most fair, and best administrators. ”

20th level says:
“Now how do you suppose one would go about doing that? By asking nicely?….not gonna happen.
By force then.
Sounds like a race war to me.”

and

“You still haven’t refuted my original statement AT ALL. His entire post was based on some “realist” bull**** and now you’re already backing up into “hypothetical” land.”

Russ didn’t specify a method. His use of the word “realism” is related to his believe that whites are better at some things than women and non-whites. His post is general in nature and it’s absurd to say you can tell how he wants to go about accomplishing his general goals since he didn’t say how. You’re the one who’s fixated on a race war. I guess the original statement I’m supposed to refute is your claim that Russ wants a race war. The refutation is that you said that not him. duh. He didn’t say how he planned on doing anything.

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Migu April 30, 2011 at 22:00

Funny. I just want to get rich of you race war fans. Whats the big deal, would be better if I put Go Steelers on the foam finger?

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Firepower May 2, 2011 at 11:15

huggz!!

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JamesinUSA May 3, 2011 at 22:36

It’s obvious that these people on the Left hate sterotyping, generilizing, profiling and yet, that is exactly what they so often do with White people, who want really nothing more than to be ‘free’, to advance themselves and their own people on the same level and to the same degree as other racial groups are doing in this country.
If one should agree with me, than I would appeal to them to join the American Third Party today!

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Ray Manta May 4, 2011 at 01:21

Firepower wrote:
I do not read WN blogs.

Why not? If you’re not there what are you doing here?

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