USMC veteran Paul Gonzalez, representing himself in court, had just heard that he would be ordered to pay Catherine Scott-Gonzalez, his wife and the mother of his children, ages 1 and 3, child support and follow a restrictive visitation schedule. He walked out of the courthouse quietly, but something made him change his mind about leaving, upon which he rushed into the courtroom, knocked his wife out with one blow, and began to pummel her mercilessly. The beating continued until police stormed in and tazed him twice, at which point his wife lay crumpled on the ground in a pool of blood with multiple facial fractures.
The wife had attempted on a couple prior occasions to obtain a restraining order against Mr. Gonzalez, but he had apparently never laid a hand on her before, so it was not granted. Nevertheless, there will doubtless be more calls for even easier restraining orders, despite the fact that in some cases it appears these orders actually provoke rather than restrain people.
In looking over the ABA article concerning the attack, I noticed that the comments make a lot of hay over Gonzales being an “abuser,” repeating the same crap that is gospel to those who want to justify their pecuniary interest in perpetuating crazy American family law. Here’s an example:
Absolutely nothing to do with child support guidelines provides even a remote justification for what happened. And what happened here is that this spousal abuser reacted to being systematically stripped of power and control by his spouse with the help of the court by trying, however briefly, to reassert his dominance by physically battering his wife.
Gonzales was not an abuser until he attacked his wife in front of the court, and attempting to explain the rage of a man who had just been ordered to pay his wife a large chunk of his take home salary and have restricted access to his children by saying it was only to “reassert his dominance” is patently stupid. Obviously, he attacked the woman because he felt the order was unfair, and he reacted as warriors sometimes do in response to provocation — violently. In fact, it’s a miracle that so few men react in this manner, and lawyers and judges know this well (there’s a reason metal detectors in courthouses followed right on the heels of Bradley and VAWA).
What likely happened in that courtroom is that Gonzalez, representing himself, got the shaft. That’s what happens when you don’t know your way around court rules. Lawyers will eat you for lunch. We don’t know what the child support order was, but it was probably pretty hefty (as usual), and the visitation quite meager. Add to that the fact that his wife was already living with another man, despite having so recently given birth to Mr. Gonzalez’s daughter, and the situation must have seemed absolutely upside-down to the former marine. It was upside down. His wife is obviously a little tramp who has no problem swinging from one dick to another even while raising two babies, and there she was about to get rewarded with an upgrade in lifestyle while the chump father loses his kids and wallet. That’s why Mr. Gonzalez lost it.
Here she is blubbering in front of the camera.
Now, beating your wife is always a bad idea. Even if it weren’t for over-the-top DV laws, grown-ups should know a lot better than to attack people in their family. And in the above example, the divorcée gets to go on camera making herself out to be a poor, innocent little victim. I highly doubt this woman is innocent. It seems pretty clear she left her husband for another man; how could it be otherwise if their daughter is only one and she already has a new boyfriend before her divorce was finalized? But now how does it look? She looks like the victim and these scumbags in the DV industry get to use this as propaganda for more laws that treat divorcing husbands and fathers like garbage.
So, men, if you face something like what caused Mr. Gonzalez to snap, don’t lose your cool. Don’t attack the woman; don’t go after the judge. Keep yourself out of jail and fight back intelligently. It’s hard at first, but in time you’ll learn how.
However, I’m afraid that more and more men, like Mr. Gonzalez, won’t get the message that there are other options until it’s too late.
Paul Gonzalez is currently in jail with bail set at $1 million (!), and faces years behind bars for a felony domestic assault charge.
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Good for him. It took a while but I finally stopped feeling sorry for women. I hope he gets a slick lawyer and beats this rap.
I suspect it’s time for guys like gonzalez and welmer to name names. You dont’ have to do it here but you gotta do it somewhere. If you can’t do it anywhere than I don’t think there’s anything anyone can do for you.
Excellent message!
If I recall correctly, the last time I saw a victim of spousal abuse on TV it was Tiger Woods passing in and out of consciousness. Apparently the fact he was an adulterer removed all guilt from his wife.
It’s pretty clear to all of us that men get shafted in courts if facing a wife, no matter how low her character. Gonzalez may well have been overwhelmed by the realization that being innocent of all his wife’s false accusations made little difference to this fate – he still got treated as if he was worthless. In that case, might as well match the penalty with the appropriate deed…
If the courts won’t dispense justice, someone else will – it’s a law of nature.
So what happens with the child support order? It continues to add up while he’s in jail? Anything left of value which he owns will be taken? Or, will the tramp not get anything while he’s in jail?
” In fact, it’s a miracle that so few men react in this manner”
What this guy did was stupid, self-destructive, and criminal. That said, the quoted ABA article comment is asinine. Obviously, the guy felt that he got jobbed by the court and reacted foolishly. A more reasonable response would be to ask “did he get jobbed”, rather than falling back on platitudes about how unfavorable court decisions don’t justify violence.
As for “systematically stripped of power and control by his spouse with the help of the court”: his spouse didn’t do anything except invoke the power of Big Daddy Gov’t to rob this guy of his money and his children. (I point this out just to highlight the incessant promotion of the lie of the Strong Empowered Woman, who strangely often seems to hide behind government and live off the seized wealth of men.)
Sad. When the public reads about this all they will see is “Gonzalez . . . Marine . . . beat wife.”
If you stuck your nose in far enough, you will probably find that she moved in with “Jody”. Ask any soldier or Marine about what happens behind the scenes when they deploy.
Another example of why no man should ever get married.
I need to send that guy a prison christmas package. He was getting screwed and struck out. To bad he never heard of the spearhead. If about 10 to 15 percent of crapped on fathers did this kind of thing with some murders mixed in there the talk about fathers would sound a lot like the talk when the subject is islam.
Hm, never heard that term “Jody.” Looked it up and found a salty song I think I’ll post.
Thanks for the tip.
If this woman already has another boyfriend and she has a 1 and 3 year old then I would say that qualifies her as a whore. Frankly she deserves to get thrown out on the street with no child support and no children.
I bet she was attracted to him because he is kind of violent, she just didn’t like it when it got turned on her.
Any woman that has a boyfriend before the divorce is even finalized is getting divorced for the obvious reason that she wants to have sex with another man. No matter what she says that is the reason.
A sad tale indeed. Why this guy opted to defend himself I don’t know, but I guess it’s something to do with a warrior’s instinct for dignified self-reliance.
And that I suppose illustrates just how utterly (and deliberately) emasculating most western countries’ family court systems are.
Strip a man of his dignity and what else is there left?
In France: Woman (39yo) has two daughters with husband n°1 (age 8 and 10)
She left the first husband some time ago and found a new partner (48yo) with whom she had two more daughters (age 2 and 5). The guy was a good father, including with the daughters who weren’t his.
One month ago, the woman ousted the father from the house to make room for another man she met and fell in love with.
Two days ago, the discarded father, who was depressed, snapped and killed the mother and her new partner.
@ W.F. Price – Sure. I once had a captain call me “fucking inappropriate” for singing a Jody cadence. He’ll never know how ironic he was being . . .
This post is partly written in response to an article in the-Spearhead on 4-17 called Female Solidarity, an additional aspect of NAWALT. I think there are points where it may be pertinent to this article!
Hey ladies–and the men(?) who agree with them–Not All MEN are “like that”!
Not all Marines are “like that”! Not all husbands and fathers are “like that”!
Is there ANY women–or mangina–out there who is reminding the feminist lynch mob out to skin poor Mr. G alive for getting violent when his family was being stolen from him, going to remind our Bar Associations, family “courts”, so-called “domestic relations” counselors, and the other apparachiki of the divorce industry that “NOT ALL MEN ARE LIKE THAT”? Who and when?
Is anyone even going to remind that industry–and the feminist profiteers off of it–that not even Mr. Gonzolez was “like that” until he was pushed to the wall?
I didn’t think so!
“NAWALT”? Give men a break!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
This was posted on another fairly conservative site. The comments were running 50/50 for and against the guy with lots of white knights and women attempting to shut down the guys that weren’t buying this tramps crap.
I’m always amazed at how many men there are that will automatically rush to the defense of some woman no matter how badly she behaved or how much she deserved what she got.
This does show how emasculated men in our society have become though in that this appears to be fairly rare and as one poster pointed out if as many as 10% reacted with mayhem and/or murder to this kind of injustice you would see the same react that you see when someone burns the Koran. Instead of fear and desperate attempts at appeasement we get condescending statements from feminists and the threat of even more oppressive and biased laws against fathers/husbands.
“A North Carolina man has been charged with murdering a pregnant Fort Bragg soldier, police said Tuesday.
Fayetteville detectives arrested Edgar Patino, a fellow soldier”
Didn’t find all the details. This was June 2008. As I recall she was his mistres and he was married.
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-29/justice/nc.soldier.dead_1_fort-bragg-fellow-soldier-fort-drum?_s=PM:CRIME
If the story is accurate (a big IF with liberal journalist) beating your wife unconscious in front of courtroom security cameras no less, is pretty much an affirmation that she would have been pretty much on track to ask for a restraing order, changing her name, phone, address , car, job, geting a dog, shot gun and maybe a glock.
There is a saying of Prophet Muhammad that states that most women will go to hell (apparently in greater percentages than men). For years, I struggled with that statement, especially since Muhammad gave no clarification as to why this would be the case. It is this website and stories like this that make the reasoning behind this crystal clear.
The good thing about tis is that the wife with the now messed up face won’t get a new man and the husband will not be paying any alimony
Giving the woman a beating is short-sighted. He should have given it to her lawyer.
He’s a brave man and a hero.
There will be more and more of these incidents and it will be a long time before women are seen as responsible for them — which they are.
Women and judges. Judges are lawyers and they use family court to set up people for further litigation to keep in good with their buddies in the profession. Rewarding women for divorces means more divorces and more money for lawyers. Children in divorce are statistically more likely to have problems and hence make money for lawyers.
And of course there are the judges who put killers and rapists on oarole so they’ll go right out and kill or rape someone else so lawyers will make more money.
In both cases we are dealing with people who don’t care about society and don’t care about people.
It will be men who can’t take it any more who will ignite change.
I found the reason. But to self-correct, it says that most of the inhabitants of hell will be women, not that most women will go to hell, although both could be true.:
Sahih Bukhari, The book of Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 28:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
The Prophet said: “I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful.” It was asked, “Do they disbelieve in Allah?” (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, “They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, ‘I have never received any good from you.”
This is betrayal rather than empowerment.
He trusted his wife and she betrayed him.
He expected justice from the courts and it betrayed him.
The country that he worked/fought for that was suppose to offer protection betrayed him.
Betrayal is never as devastating as when it is unexpected.
If he had expected or thought these betrayals were possible, there would have been a different outcome.
He might have had a different job…
He could be more disconnected with his wife and children. I’m not saying that this is a good thing, but just a solution to work within certain societies.
I am surprised that more men don’t do this too. Women see men as sperm donors and walking wallets, relationship objects and status symbols, dildos and emotional tampons, and beasts of burden and canon fodder.
In other news. I am watching the news and apparently Lindsey Lohan has been sentenced to 120 days in jail and service at a WOMENS CENTER due to a probation violation…say wut????
Then I also saw this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/lesbian-custody-battle-vermont/story?id=9686772
Apparently a pastor/priest is about to get arrested or has been for helping a custodial lesbian woman defy custody orders and take her kid, against the wishes of the other lesbian, to south america.
Maybe the link can help you in your situation welmer.
I don’t know whether to laugh at karmic justice or rage. What does it say about a society where lesbian women can pick out genetic traits from a sperm bank as if they were shoe shopping? Sperm banks are the ultimate commercialization of hypergamy.
OT:
Here are some girls beating a possible trans woMAN inside a mcdonalds and they actually give her a seizure.
I hope, but doubt, they get brought up on attempted murder charges. A downward kick to the head is seen as attempted murder by police because ‘curb stompin’ is a well known gang move.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
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“They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, ‘I have never received any good from you.”
Reads like how my mother treated my father.
He was a veteran, he comes back home and he is served a divorce paper. Add to that some mention of restraining order, no wonder he snapped.
He fought for the freedom of the tramp and judge who stripped him of half his income for life. And she is a bitch who was deserving of all the beating she got and then some. No doubt they will give him a hefty sentence insted of trying to correct the problem with family courts. And this shit will go on and on and on.
He wasn’t PC enough for Princeton.
A vicious campaign to end the unblemished 10-year career of a popular but often politically incorrect Princeton teacher left him so despondent that he took his own life, brokenhearted pals said yesterday.
Spanish teacher Antonio Calvo, 45 — who stabbed himself to death in his Chelsea apartment on April 12 — believed at least two graduate students and another lecturer were behind a poisonous political maneuver that robbed him of a contract renewal, two friends told The Post.
The Spain native’s departure from Princeton meant he’d be required to leave the United States within one month because his visa was sponsored by the Ivy League university.
Antonio Calvo
“He knew that something was happening,” one ex-colleague said. “He commented to a couple of friends that some people at the school were trying to ruin his reputation.”
Another pal said, “Those people didn’t want his contract renewed. The campaign was led by graduate students who teach Spanish who were essentially under Antonio’s supervision, and a lecturer also teaching there.”
At least two un-PC incidents were among complaints about Calvo during the review of his contract — although his department supported the renewal.
Calvo once raised his voice in a meeting with a female graduate student, who interpreted the confrontation as “aggressive behavior,” the pal said.
Another incident apparently involved a grad student whom Calvo chided, “You’re spending too much time touching your balls. Why don’t you go to work?”
“It was interpreted as sexual harassment, but it’s a common expression in Spanish,” the pal said.
“Some people saw him as politically incorrect, but it was just the way he was — his personality.”
There was no hearing for Calvo to respond to the complaints. He was escorted off campus on April 8, several colleagues said.
A university spokeswoman said Calvo was “on leave at the time of his death,” and declined to speak about “matters of personnel, which are not public.”
Just days after his ouster, Calvo sent a message to a close friend.
“The letter mentioned Princeton and was very strange, very weird, and his friend felt the need to go to [Calvo's] apartment,” a pal said.
Calvo’s body was found with self-inflicted stab wounds.
Additional reporting by Amber Sutherland
[email protected]
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/plot_led_to_prof_suicide_friends_ozxaIIM2KpiuL51Zbybi3K#ixzz1KJRkw2HK
I enjoy your perspectives as a Muslim woman Ms_Fu.
With all those women in Hell, how will there ever be enough virgins in Paradise for those that martyr themselves?
Seriously though, the teachings of Islam emphasis accountability for men over women, as it was and should be. Be aware, this is not always an ideal situation for a man to be in. Most men would prefer to not have to be THAT responsible for his wife’s actions.
Hmmm… I thought I read somewhere else that the woman is/was also a marine. Women are strong, empowered and equal but yet, she couldn’t defend herself? Yep… women will do great in combat.
Stupid tw@t – She should have known better than to fuck over an ex-Marine.
I count a few of these guys as friends of mine, and (trust me on this) do NOT fuck with them — you do *not* want to get on their “bad side”. They are trained killers.. with or without weapons.
Honestly, I don’t know why more men don’t have their ex wives assassinated. It would be much better for them, plus they could make sure they have an alibi.
Maybe feminists would have rather he took this route:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVUHalR8P0I&feature=player_embedded
The real crime here is that people will not look behind the scenes, they will not investigate the reasons why this guy acted so violently. They will instead just chalk this one up to “men are violent,” and “women are victims,” and other cliches that only support feminist policies and thinking. Where are the investigative journalists who have the guts to publish something that reveals the pain that modern American men go through during a divorce, when they are separated from their children, when they are financially raped by the courts, and when they are disrespected for their many contributions?
Keyster said:
“Seriously though, the teachings of Islam emphasis accountability for men over women, as it was and should be. Be aware, this is not always an ideal situation for a man to be in. Most men would prefer to not have to be THAT responsible for his wife’s actions.”
If you are talking about the social consequences for the husband of a misbehaving wife, I certainly agree. Any woman who is clear-headed and with a conscious should certainly sympathize with her husband’s predicament. However, most of us are too self-centered in our world views.
I think about my own parents as I write this. Any action my father took to prevent my mother from making a mistake was seen as ‘controlling.’
OT.
http://dailyiowan.com/2011/04/22/Metro/23049.html
Link contains a story about a woman being arrested for chewing on a mans dick. From the article.
“Lucinda Kinder, 32, Coralville, was charged April 20 with domestic-abuse assault without intent of causing injury.”
WHAT. THE. FUCK! Domestic abuse WITHOUT intent of causing injury???
OORAH DEVILDOG!
I’m proud of him, even though I do agree it was shortsighted, but you gotta admit she just deserved that serious ass whipping. Ideally he should have waited another day and bashed her head in while wearing a mask. Violent, extreme, and aggressive? Yes. That’s the Marine Corps way.
F the court system, it’s a piece of crap. Sometimes you gotta dish out justice yourself, with your own fists.
surrogatcy…vs…marriage…Hmmmm…
eh… a terrible and tragic destruction of human capital all around (particularly for the children), due to feminism.
Note, however, that in prison, he will cost the state $60,000 a year. Suppose as a ‘free’ man and taxpayer, he was generating $20,000 in taxes.
So that is a loss from +20K to -60K, for a total of $80,000 net reduction in government intake.
This is how feminism collapses in on itself.
I’m going to give this guy a job when he gets out. It’s obvious that he’s brave and won’t take being wronged by anybody. I bet he was a very good marine.
What did they think would happen when they tried to turn a soldier into a slave?
Like I said before, the catalyst will be an epidemic of this behavior. When enough violence takes place and the women need someone to stand and protect them, there will be few men willing to stand against the horde to defend the system as it now stands.
Did anyone notice that the solution to the ‘Yale’ problem was to pass a bunch of new laws? It didnt make any sense to me because the problem was ONE university and how they handled reports of alleged sexual harassment. Changing the laws wont solve the problem. The way that problem is solved is by addressing the instances where they crop up. Everyone else was towing the line and now they made said line even heavier to bear (and on shoddy research). When did we get to a point where the problem solving solutions are to pass even more stringent laws without first looking to where the current rules simply need to be shorn up?
Sadly, I agree with Welmer. This is just going to be fodder for more laws. The propaganda machine is already feeding its faulty message to the masses and a man who is pushed to his breaking point has been branded a habitual abuser. I know where chivalry went,(good riddance, btw) but what happened to honor?
If they can do what we can do equally, then why not show some honor? When more men begin to react like Mr. Gonzales, they will start to see what equality truly is.
Glad I stayed single!!
Its already happening. Go out at night sometime. You’ll see a woman get her ass beat once a week. More importantly you will see men laughing at her, telling her she deserved, but most often you will see them shrug and continue about their business.
“Red Baron April 22, 2011 at 19:31
This is betrayal rather than empowerment.
He trusted his wife and she betrayed him.
He expected justice from the courts and it betrayed him.
The country that he worked/fought for that was suppose to offer protection betrayed him.
Betrayal is never as devastating as when it is unexpected.
If he had expected or thought these betrayals were possible, there would have been a different outcome.
He might have had a different job…
He could be more disconnected with his wife and children. I’m not saying that this is a good thing, but just a solution to work within certain societies.”
One of several meanings of “empowerment” is “betrayal”.
Hopefully it will become less and less unexpected as men see what women really are and why stable societies control them while expecting men to control themselves.
At the risk of upsetting many here….
This guy Gonzales and Raul Moat etc, they are not Men.
They are assholes who weren’t strong enough to bend and be tempered, they broke, and handed the enemy the perfect tool to punish all Men further with.
Killing individual wimminz is like killing individual police is like killing individuals soldiers in Helmand, it is fucking pointless and counter-productive and gets used to underline all the arguments against us.
Individuals are not ever the enemy.
It is the faceless machine that is the enemy, feminazism, police stateism, military industrial complex.
Individuals are not ever the enemy, the faceless machine cares about them less than us, they are easily replaceable and frankly make great martyrs for the state.
it is the faceless institutions that are the enemy.
http://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011-04/who-is-the-enemy-of-men/
I can’t believe it. Lara in her own special way made three comments on this article. And I agreed to each one. She must have saw the “dear woman ” video and got scared to the truth. Self interest of the female mind, she saw a world of the dear woman men and saw an end to all of her present and future orgasms.
Chris Titus Love is Evol
Check out how he responds to the judge about his false DV accusation. Part 4 at 2:00 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrxB7lkezZo
Old link above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWOJJOmTWU&NR=1
Part 5 at 2:00 min
“Your honor, can I have 5 minutes to make her NOT a liar?”
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AfOR April 23, 2011 at 03:57
it is the faceless institutions that are the enemy.
I disagree. It is our women who are the collaborators of the enemy that we need to deal with. The real enemy is MEN at the top of the pile manipulating the women. I’ve pointed this out many times.
This guy is a true hero. so many other marines would have cowardly blown off an unarmed iraqi man’s head with their massive caliber weapons in an act of misguided pent-up rage.
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This whore of a ‘wife’ wanted to be ‘equal’? Well she was treated as an ‘equal’ by the man. And her ‘equality’ was put to the test. She failed and he beat the shit out of her.
Indeed, it was only because MAN-HATING, WHITE KNIGHTING, MANGINA APOLOGISTS…..those most disgusting of scumbag criminals of ALL…the POLICE…who are sexist and discriminatory and COWARDS who assaulted the man exercising his free right to test the claim of equality that saved the ‘strong’ and ‘independent’ grrrrrrrlll with all that power.
This is nothing than the crime of VIOLENCE BY PROXY for the man. The police officers? Well? Welmer does not like me talking about what should be done about vermin scumbags cops like this. The woman is nothing but a criminal who used violence by proxy on an innocent man. Period.
I, for one, have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with men beating the shit out of ANY WOMAN who has NOT completed and registered one of these.
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/threadid/586/scope/posts/Default.aspx
I take the position that in the west women have claimed ‘equality’ without being willing to qualify what they mean by that. Well? Surely it means ‘equality’ in the violence and ability to defend yourself, right? Are women denying they are smaller and weaker and incapable of defending themselves thereby needing special protection from men around them? Nope. I don’t see them claiming that. I see them claiming they are ‘strong’ and ‘independent’ grrrrrls.
Women talk about ‘hit a man today and fight the patriarchy’? Well why do men not say ‘hit a woman today and fight the matriarchy’?
I, for one, and perfectly willing to hit women now having been a defender of women all my life. And I, for one, am perfectly willing to deal with these corrupt cops in courts of law or otherwise and needs dictate. Until more men are willing to do the same? You men are going to see more of your brothers get put away for a long time. And shame on you for allowing such. All this ‘there is nothing we can do’ bullshit is just that….bullshit. How many of you men here are willing to sit on juries? How many of you have learned how to make accusations under common law? How many are willing to form small cells of 6 men and to defend other mens rights? Oh…that would be right. Pretty much none of you. Yet you wax lyrical about how you would like to ‘help’? You don’t want to ‘help’. You just want to talk about wanting to help. Big difference.
Sure…there are a few who are actually doing something useful so they will know this is not directed at them. But there are MANY more who are doing nothing. In the absence of the rule of law? Men are well advised to go seek out men like this BEFORE they snap and let them know that, if needs be, they will take care of the problem. In MY case FOUR men offered to ‘take care of my problem’ with my ex. Well? If someone had offered that to this man he would have his two kids, his whole salary, a bright future. The only difference would the woman would be dead. And I would grieve over her the SAME WAY women are so obviously grieving over this man. Not at all.
It is MEN being indifferent to the fate of MEN to the extent they will take no action that is the problem.
“Don’t attack the woman; don’t go after the judge. Keep yourself out of jail and fight back intelligently.”
How exactly? I’m curious.
I’ll concede though that this battery was the wrong decision in the sense that it gives fodder to feminist propagandists and enables that whore to portray herself as a victim.
Jos April 23, 2011 at 10:26
Who cares what the wife did? Violence is always wrong.
Typical woman. it does not matter what the wife did. By the way? If violence is always wrong? Then the police should not have tased him right?
And women claimed ‘equality’ so she made herself the target. Why attack the judge when the woman is the criminal.
I despise you western women. I really do. You are disgusting and disgraceful people. And I am prepared to say so in my own calling in very public places. You western women of today do not have the class of a toe nail cutting of my grand mothers.
It is because I know what good women are like that I know to despise what the western women of today have chosen to become.
Half baked April 22, 2011 at 18:00
I’m always amazed at how many men there are that will automatically rush to the defense of some woman no matter how badly she behaved or how much she deserved what she got.
This is why we must attack the manginas. We stop the manginas from white knighting? The women are going to find out all about ‘equality’. I am doing my bit with my mangina hall of fame. Of which ChristianJ is a leading light.
I no longer tolerate manginas in my online presence. I put them over here.
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/57/scope/threads/Default.aspx
Since we’re being somewhat multicultural today, I’m reminded of an allegedly old Chinese saying I’ve not seen in circulation around here:
Society creates the criminal, the criminal creates the crime.
Well, that and old Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus’s choice quip from 131 B.C.:
If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do without that nuisance.
We’ve gotten better at surviving without wives as they’ve become more and more of a nuisance, as tragic incidents such as this one unfortunately remind us.
Actually, if they dialed it back so far that they were now merely a nuisance it would be a vast improvement, though my take is they’re still trying to max it out in the other direction, since that’s what strong independent yada yada yada women do.
Anybody else wonder if eruptions like this might be tied to the guy’s suspicions that the kids aren’t his?
Common Monster wrote:
Anybody else wonder if eruptions like this might be tied to the guy’s suspicions that the kids aren’t his?
If they aren’t, it underscores the truth that the law is only a useful deterrent against people who have something to lose. Once you have enough men who don’t have anything to lose, guess what’s going to happen?
Jos wrote:
Who cares what the wife did? Violence is always wrong.
If that’s true, I can only wonder why we have guys around with ‘Marine’
as their job description. Or what we have the police for.
I notice this “warrior” didn’t have the courage to assault the judge
The judge may have been next on his list. It’s hard to beat the shit out of more than one person at a time.
Jody was the imaginary guy who screwed our girl friend when we got drafted. He also ended up with our car, and lived in our apartment. Got our job. When our two years were up, we’d sing about Jody just got drafted, and we were not only going to tap his girl-friend, but maybe his mom, too.
>>Don’t attack the woman; don’t go after the judge. Keep yourself out of jail and fight back intelligently. It’s hard at first, but in time you’ll learn how.
WTF. There is no way to fight back against court orders without violence. None. Except in the imagination of a few mentally disturbed individuals who imagine a piece of paper can take down the government. That is what the Declaration of Independence was all about. Having tried everything, the Colonists said, no more, we fight.
Yes, the main solution is DON’T GET MARRIED. Though I personally believe it is better to GTHO.
You can be sure he will not be paying any child support, ever. When he gets out of prison, if he gets out of prison, he will not go to work and send money. It will not happen. IF he gets out of prison, his work is not done. As one writer said, it doesn’t take many men willing to live outside the law which enslaves them to take down the system.
As far as not appropriate to take her out, there is an old legal principle. I forget the Latin, but it means: The cause of the cause is the cause of the effect.
Her decision to betray him is the cause of the presence in the divorce court, not the judge. She was the cause of the effect.
My racist brother once said something that really pissed me off, because I happen to hate racism. Something about living in a multi-ethnic household most of my adult life.
But, after some thought, I realized what he said was absolutely true, racist in tone or no.
He asked why they made slaves out of African people.
Answer: Because they could. Put irons on an Apache and tell him to chop weeds in the cotton field, and the next morning, they will find you dead with your testicles cut off and shoved down your throat, and your throat cut, and the Apache will be gone.
They make slaves out of us because they can. The Great American Wimp is such a docile and obedient and hard working slave!
The first time a stupid judge (but I repeat myself) announced an adulterous wife got the house; the kids; the car; child support; and alimony, nearly 40 years ago, if we were Apaches his courthouse wouldn’t have been there when he came to work the next day. We did exactly nothing, so now we are slaves. Enjoy.
This was a premeditated act. He isn’t so dumb that he didn’t know the judge would be ordering child support and suddenly “snap” in the courtroom.
Joint custody after divorce. End the violence, end the profit, end the corruption, end family court.
Where the hell did YOU people come from- there are MANY battered women out there- ones who are good, decent, faithful and do their damnedest to be fair to the dickheads who abuse them. I know- I was one. I begged to allow liberal visitation(EVEN OFFERED TO HELP HIM FIND A LOCAL JOB) and allow us to set up child support based on what he could afford- I didn’t want him to be beggared to take care of our children!
I offered joint custody- he turned it down.
Welmer publish the troll’s IP address so that she doesn’t show up here again.
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T April 23, 2011 at 18:31
This was a premeditated act. He isn’t so dumb that he didn’t know the judge would be ordering child support and suddenly “snap” in the courtroom.[/quote]
What’s your point, T?
Welmer is correct in advising men to be smart and keep their cool when dealing with divorce, because divorce lawyers have one and only one motivation: to squeeze as much money as possible out of the husband, and if he slips up, they can use it to their advantage.
My belief re female entitlement is that they are essentially children in adult bodies who have been given the keys to the candy store. What we in the MRM must hammer home is this:
JUST AS MEN ARE REQUIRED TO BE CIVIL AND TO RENOUNCE VIOLENCE, SO SHOULD WOMEN RENOUNCE THE FEMALE EQUIVALENT OF VIOLENCE: NAGGING, DECEIT, MANIPULATION.
Of course, one will argue that slapping a woman is ‘different’ or that I am condoning DV, but this is furthest from the case.
I am simply arguing that the MRM needs to frame women’s behavior away from ‘expressing one’s feelings’ and look at their destructive behavior as abuse.
This idea will take a while to gain momentum, and will be resisted vociferously by the Left, but it is time.
– Ma-a-a-n, Polly want a cracker, or what? Still parroting those same old unchallenged paradigms from the 1970s and 80s. Those ideas were novel when first uttered back then but are standard industry now. That “dominance/control” routine hasn’t really stood the test of time well.
“Stripped of power” and “reassert dominance” – what power or dominance does only one man have? Regular man-o-sphere readers know that individual men, or men as a collective, do not really have that much power, or power as accurately envisioned by feminism.
What man has, or which men have, “power” in contemporary divorce courts, anyway? Zero to not many. The modern feminaut strove for and achieved a reversal from the days of when the man kept the home, the children and the income when a divorce occured. The female left the union and the home economically uncertain. During that period the breadwinning spouse was considered the more stable.
With feminism, seeking delusional revenge for the past, the man today looses much of what he worked and cared for yet still obliged to contribute to those things forcefully taken from him.
Powerlessness might be a more apt description of a man’s lot in divorce courts today.
Gonzales may have felt like he had nothing further to lose, powerless, hence the physical attack on his ex.
And, like most other he/she said exchanges bandied about in public discourse today the man’s side is usually ignored, minimized and/or suppressed.
There is more to this story than what the msm reports as nearly every other modern day divorce tale where the man is honed and shafted.
A man just doesn’t suddenly lay a beating on his ex-wife without prior provocation. Especially in a judge’s chamber, of all places! Contrary to feminism’s assumed trump card (in a house of cards), boys were raised into men to never lay a hand on females.
No, there is more to this story than the tired old hypothesis of a man’s power and dominance. That power and control may very likely just be something that the ex-wife exerted over her ex-husband and the courts itself.
One lone female can bring a court to its knees and the public under her domain. Now that’s real power, control and dominance.
Of feminauts, the harbingers of this unearned power? Launch them into outer space where there are no government agencies to favourably sustain them.
I read the news article.
Their big answer is to tag all males with GPS tracking. Like animals. Fuck marriage, fuck the feminists, and fuck their mama’s mama!
LV,
Lawyers help to destroy father’s personal lives & reputations for profit. Fuck them too.
“It’s only when you’ve lost everything … that you are free to do anything.” ~ Tyler Durden
so when a man’s wife fucks around on him, dumps him for this other guy and then her bad behavior is thus REWARDED by being able to THEN ass rape him in court and reduces his contact with his own children down to 4 days a month, this actually actually makes a man angry?!? NOOOOO, you don’t say! How SHOCKING. I went and read all the news stories on this and all the comments- NO ONE even entertained the fact that the so-called ‘family’ court system is to blame for pushing this man over the edge.
You would think we lived on some other planet. When you provoke someone well, they have a tendancy to get violent. From the looks of things and the mainstream attitudes out there – I don’t see any sanity coming anytime soon from the court system or from society in general- I don’t see it happening in our lifetime. Of course I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think so.
Remember the guy who went in shot up the women’s gym class a few years back. I was on a message board and I made the suggestion that maybe women should be nicer to men and this sort of thing wouldn’t happen.. the reaction was absolute outrage! the women were “absolutely NOT” I don’t have to nice to men” – like it was COMPLETELY out of the question. it was just bizarre- but that’s the women think on the whole – they see men as just another utility to exploit.
“I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.” –Gandhi
One of his lesser known quotes, but one that needs to be remembered.
That Marine isn’t stupid. There’s more than one way to get revenge and not pay a dime. Punching her a couple times in front of a judge is one of the best I’ve seen.
Look at it this way: He won’t be paying his wife to cheat on him in front of their kids while he’s in jail. He’ll be living in what to a marine is the lap of luxury, with three squares a day, and nobody around worth being scared of. He’ll be doing so entirely at the expense of the same Communist government that tried to help his cheating wife rob him. Win. Win. Win. Who says he needed a lawyer? He just played these fools like a fiddle.
The good news for our Marine is that he’ll be decently able to defend himself while behind bars, so he might well survive his sentence. Now, look at who really loses out. The ex-wife gets no alimony as he has zero earning power in jail. In fact, if the judge awards arrearages, he stays cooped up longer because the arrearages are impossible to pay off. Society loses out as he no longer pays taxes and now $60K/year is wasted on his containment. If he kills someone in self-defense he becomes a lifer dog. She NEVER gets a dime! And she has a disfigured face to boot. The outcome is nearly as effective as that of a divorce car bomber blowing up the house with the ex sleeping in it.
It’s all fine and dandy to say “don’t get violent, control yourself, use the
system to seek justice…..” and other BS crap.
The problem is that there is no justice, there is no fighting back against
the courts, there is no effective legal means of recourse for fathers and
husbands who end up in front of a family court judge. They are totally
at the mercy of the blackrobed pirate sitting on the bench. And history shows that 99% of the time that blackrobed pirate does his best to destroy the man.
There is one and only one solution to this problem. The laws aren’t going
to change. The courts aren’t going to change, and the women using the
system to loot and pillage society are not going to change. The only
solution that will bring about change is to make the process as painful
and dangerous to the other side of the equation as it is to the men being
brutalized.
If enough men go Darren Mack on enough Chuck Wellers and do it right
the system would change……or go extinct as no one would ever be willing
to sit on a family court bench.
Mr. Gonzalez only made one mistake and that wasn’t that he resorted to
violence. It’s that he resorted to violence in an ineffectual way.
@Dan
I’m guessing you’ve never been hoofed in the sack by a 5 year old.
A wife is family. You’re allowed to hurt ‘em till they learn better. Hurt but not harm. This guy hurt her, prevented her from getting what she wanted, and then left her on her own to figure out what’s what. Perfectly done. BZ.
Google “Allan Dwayne Schoenborn” to see a less happy ending.
You’ve got people here advocating battery and murder for women. What kind of show have you got running?
What kind of excuse is she’s “family. You’re allowed to hurt `em till they learn better”? That’s similar to the incestuous man going after his kids: he’s teaching them how to have sex. Dad’s gotta break `em in.
Apart from asking any of these stout warriors if they have actually behaved this way to wives, girlfriends, partners, sisters, cousins because I think they’re bad people mouthing off, letting the ones who actually do it think they have a right, I’m just plain sick. Adults–women and men–are supposed to take responsibility for their families and their acts.
And isn’t the point of military service to teach personnel *discipline?*
No sane woman gets involved with “military men” – ever. I hope this “hero” gets pounded in prison six ways till Sunday.
The current military is where life’s losers go to get a paycheck; along with their skanky cheatin’ wives.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
–President John F. Kennedy
Women, generally speaking, have no honor and not all men have it (judges?). If your surprised by what this woman did to this man then you need to re-read the previous sentence. This guy should have gone through the motions while in the courtroom and then took his kids and left the country.
I wonder, if you were to ask him, would he say it was worth it (as in that scene from “The Longest Yard”)
Also, the article mentioned that several facial bones were broken. I wonder if her newly acquired disfigurement will run off the new boyfriend?
Speaking on the financial aspect only, now this guy gets three hots and a cot instead of having to pay through the nose.
Give Islam credit for understanding the nature of women, mistreatment notwithstanding.
My lawyer was going through a divorce while he was representing me in my divorce. He was a good guy and a good lawyer. He said there’s not a man in the world that doesn’t understand why O J Simpson did what he did…not condone it but understand it.
Well look see what this stinking pig of an abusive nd violent woman did to her kids, when she imagined that she was about to loose the power, the control and the dominance she exercised over her poor family members at the point of her divorce.
Look again at the downgraded prosecution and downgraded sentence she got from the authorities whom are shown feverishly falling over themselves in making up excuses for her murderousness. On top of all of which, there is absolutely no mention of her domestic violence or her now exposed abuser tendencies.
Would the berieved father of the children have gotten a restraining order against her if he asked for one to save his and his kids lives ? NO is the answer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-13208067
“””A mother who admitted killing her three young children at their Edinburgh home has been jailed for 16 years.
Theresa Riggi, 47, had pleaded guilty to a charge of culpable homicide on the grounds of diminished responsibility. She was originally charged with murder.
Her eight-year-old twins Austin and Gianluca and their five-year-old sister Cecilia were found dead at their flat in Slateford Road on 4 August 2010.
They were found with stab wounds after a suspected gas explosion at the flat.
The family had moved to Edinburgh from Skene in Aberdeenshire following the break-up of her marriage to the children’s father, Pasquale Riggi.
In a statement, read out by a spokesman from Victim Support Scotland outside the High court in Glasgow, Mr Riggi said: “The horrific manner in which my children died will leave an indelible mark on the rest of my life. As a father, my natural instincts were geared towards safeguarding my children from the dangers of this world.”””
As usual, the best way to understand these situations is to reverse the genders. A woman is being robbed blind by her husband in divorce court. He is taking her house, her car and all her money. He gets custody of the kids plus massive child support and alimony. She goes berserk and breaks every bone in his body in front of the judge. The media immeditely snivel that her actions were an understandable reaction to financial rape.
As to white nationalists like me automatically taking the woman’s side of every issue, I suggest you read Roger Devlin’s article on ‘Sexual Utopia’ in the Occidental Quarterly. It seems to me there is a great similarity between the “Chosen Sex” and the “Chosen People”. Both pretend to be victims of persecution while taking over everything in sight. Or, as I put it it another one of my essays, woman is “The Natural Born Jew of the Universe”.
Re: “What kind of excuse is she’s “family. You’re allowed to hurt `em till they learn better”? ”
It’s not an excuse. It’s a fact. Traditional family life is violent, and it isn’t just the men either. So long as no genuine harm is done this is a good thing. The Hegelians (left and right) have made a false idol of Violence. By ‘idol’ I mean an abstract notion to which sacrifices are demanded, either to keep it or to destroy it. The War on Violence has resulted in legions of spoiled rotten unspanked brats left utterly defenceless and easy to push around by the anti-bullying campaigns. As often happens, the actions to ‘end Violence’ have created a lot more violence. Little kids that want a quick spanking are getting tasered. Husbands and wives are shooting each other, and are just as ill-behaved as the kids. It is madness. Absolute madness. There are times in life when failing to hurt the ones we love does them genuine and lasting harm.
Re: “That’s similar to the incestuous man going after his kids: he’s teaching them how to have sex. Dad’s gotta break `em in.”
Rape is harm. H-A-R-M look it up in a dictionary some time. Trust a writer to fail English Comprehension. I’m assuming that was deliberate. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Be careful in Toronto. Nobody there believes rape claims anymore. Not since they lowered the standards of evidence, removed the presumption of innocence, and opened up the courts to a flood of obviously false claims. It’s a few years behind Detroit but is caught in the same downward spiral.
So the USMC did their job trained a good warrior sent him to war ( I assume) no Doubt there is some Post traumatic stress disorder and all this guy wants is his kids at the least because his disloyal cheating spouse in her psychotic affair brain, thinks her kids will be better with another man.
How does the legal system expect a trained weapon to react when they corner him like a wild animal and take away all that is important to him and I am sure one of the bedrock reasons that got him through the day if/ when he was deployed. Ungrateful female!!!!
Divorce courts mistreat vets all the time. I came home too and found a man living in my house after being deployed for 8 months. I finally divorced the hore, but with a price too