Male Suicide Rates and Causes

by Featured Guest on April 19, 2011

By Szebran

In the US, the suicide rate for men is four times that of women. Suicide is the eighth leading cause of death for all U.S. men according to National Center for Injury Prevention and Control. According to German blogger Simon Rierdon (or at least I think he’s German) the number of men committing suicide is up in every non-third world country.

He quoted PR Newswire “Between the ages of 20 and 29 suicide is three times as common in men as in women and the number of attempted suicides amongst young men has doubled in 10 years across most developed countries” Simon also notes that he has seen stories about how German men are committing suicide in record numbers but the suicide rate among young women is not rising.

No country has bothered to address the problem of male suicide. Kerry L. Knox, Ph.D., director of the Canandaigua Center of Excellence for Suicide Prevention of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs stated “Men in the overall U.S. population just haven’t been the focus of a lot of suicide-prevention efforts.”

Based on studies by Professor John Macdonald, Co director of the Men’s Health Information and Resource Centre (MHIRC) in Australia and Thomas Joiner, Ph.D, a professor of psychology at Florida State University, it appears the two primary reasons causing the vast majority of male suicides are modern marriage (sometimes called marriage 2.0 on The Spearhead) and unemployment.

Joiner estimates that “romantic disruptions” and other relationship issues trigger depressive episodes in about 75 percent of men between the ages of 20 and 40 who commit suicide. Macdonald stated “Many men are overwhelmed by social problems like unemployment, family break-ups and not having access to their children. When a number of these social factors come together, they can be enough to send a man over the edge and contemplate self-harm,” Additionally, MSNBC Health (‘Male Suicide’ 2008) states “Data going back decades shows that, like clockwork, economic downturns push more men over the brink — a fact that should concern us all now. Men draw much of their identity from their careers, and when unemployment rises, that underpinning falls away.” Lastly, Lisa Firestone, Ph.D., a suicide expert stated “Especially in their early 20s, guys can think, ‘This one person was right for me, I’ve lost her, and it’s all over’ … they lack the perspective that they’re going to have other relationships, maybe even better relationships”

Simon Rierdon quoted an article by Michelle Beaulieu (Reuters Health, 2000) “In addition, divorce or marital separation more than doubled the risk of suicide in men, whereas in women, marital status was unrelated to suicide.” Dr. Augustine Kposowa from the University of California suspects that this difference is related to the social networks men and women form outside their marriages, which may be stronger or more meaningful in women than in men. “Women have better ways of communicating,” Kposowa told Reuters Health in an interview. “They may have more social support networks, friends and relatives that they talk to, whereas men donít have social support networks.”

As stated in this post, these studies appear to indicate some men need a more realistic outlook about modern marriage. They still have obsolete notions of marriage being everything. Being divorced or single is viewed as the end of the world.

At one time, having a wife meant having a companion. Someone who would care about you and help you in life. Those days are gone. Today, modern marriage is centered on the wife. Partnership is discouraged in women’s literature As emphasized by Parenting Magazine (Mad at Dad 2009) & repeated by many women’s websites, husbands are now expected to do – at minimum – 50% of house chores. However, wives are not be expected to help husbands with housing repairs, auto maintenance or other similar tasks. These are deemed the “husband’s job”. Additionally, as emphasized by women’s literature, house chores and husband’s jobs must be completed according to the wife’s time schedule. Her husband’s viewpoint does not matter.

Any wife that helps her husband or considers his opinions is criticized in women’s literature as subservient. Additionally, she will also be the target of peer pressure from other women to change her behavior toward her husband.

Also, in modern marriage, husbands are used as baby sitters so the wife can have her weekly ‘girls night out’. This is especially true if she wants to stay out late clubbing. However, boys night out is frowned upon. This is especially true if he wants stay out late clubbing. He will be considered a deadbeat.

Lastly, if a late night girls outing results in an extra marital affair and pregnancy, its tough luck for the husband if he discovers the child isn’t his. Nearly all states have laws supporting paternity fraud. The hapless husband must raise & finance the child. The sleazebag other man will have no obligations. I’ve been told this is also the law in Britain.

Modern wives are taught to view their husbands as living room decorations.

More men should be educated about modern marriage. Letting ex-husbands tell their personal stories is one way to accomplish this task. No names or pictures are necessary. Men can simply explain how they were treated during their marriage and how the family court treated them during the divorce. Ideally, these stories should appear on popular men’s websites. But how many websites would be willing to let ex-husbands tell their stories is questionable. Nonetheless, the stories would be educational. They would prompt very fundamental questions: Why have a “modern” wife? What purpose does she serve? What value is she? What benefit is modern marriage? Admittedly, men have previously received a health benefit from being married. However, research by Hui Liu and Debra Umberson (Journal of Health and Social Behavior, 2008) show, today, there is little difference in health status between married and unmarried men.

Eroding the idea a man must have a modern wife in order to have a meaningful, healthy life can have a significant impact on the male suicide rate. Being divorced or single will no longer seem the end of the world. In fact, a better life is staying single, having a series of girlfriends & joining a biking, hiking, swimming, astronomy, history or religious club. Men should join whatever organization interest them. Thousands of these groups can be found by searching the internet. Yahoo groups is one place to start. Being divorced / single is not unique. In America, 48% of the adult population is unmarried (Population Reference Bureau, 2009).

The second reason for male suicides may be more difficult to tackle. Male unemployment is due largely to lack of education. Millions of jobs requiring only a high school diploma have disappeared. In the US, a college degree or at least a degree from a technical school is now necessary for many good paying jobs. The Bureau of Labor Statistics show that since 1970, the unemployment rate for college graduates is half that of high school graduates. It also shows college graduates, on average earn nearly twice what high school graduates earn. Approximately 50% more women earn college degrees than men. This is the primary reason why, in most American cities, young single woman aged (22-30) earn more money than men of the same age group (New York research firm Reach Advisors, 2008). The situation is probably similar in other western countries.

Men have trouble obtaining higher education. In America, this is because the education system is mostly controlled by two feminist groups. One group, the American Association of University Women (AAUW) has blocked every single attempted school reform designed to help increase boys performance & interest in school. They insist girls should remain the focus of education. Another group, The National Women’s Law Center (NWLC), is responsible for the anti male culture throughout the school system. Boys as young as 4 have been charged with sexual harassment and suspended. The NWLC demands all schools be financially liable for incidents deemed as sexual harassment. Since schools have no money to defend themselves against NWLC lawsuits, its easier to suspend little boys for any reason. Ultimately, boys learn to become detached from school.

Finally, there is the problem of financing. Because of AAUW pressure, big corporations such as Walmart, Home Depot and Starbucks, donate money to college grant programs with the stipulation the student cannot be male.

Together, the AAUW and NWLC significantly degrade and derail boys education thus making them less likely to advance into college or trade school. There are probably similar feminist groups in other western countries who control the education system thereby hindering boys development. Changing this situation requires directly challenging feminist power. Also, a man must realize the national economy is beyond his control. Sometimes, unemployment is unavoidable regardless of education background.

Adjusting men’s perceptions to a realistic view of modern marriage and challenging feminist control of education could have a significant impact on male suicide rates in the West.

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Hedgewolf April 19, 2011 at 10:08

What women want in a man, and what they say they want, are two different things.

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Lonely Winner April 19, 2011 at 10:18

“Women have better ways of communicating,” Kposowa told Reuters Health in an interview.

This is utterly false. Women do not have a better repertoire of the English language than men and they certainly don’t aim for precision of meaning when they speak. The real reason women have “better ways of communicating” is because there are going to be other females and a horde of emasculated men willing to listen to their problems and whining from sun up to sun down while repeating “it’s not your fault honey, he’s a selfish pig”

Whereas if a man dared to share his bitch problems or share his feelings of being mistreated, with friends or other women, he would be soundly rebuffed and called a “wimp” and told to suck it up.

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Cagefighter April 19, 2011 at 10:31

I went through two bouts of suicide attempts — albeit half ass attempts– once in grade school and the other with my second divorce. One good thing out of those mental storms is that death became something of a positive notion rather than the christine negative one. I did die with those attempts, just not physically. I have to say, authentic near death experiences, be it self-inflicted or from without, does change you radically in ways all the modern pharmaceutical and clinical psychological approaches only wish they could penetrate.

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Rebel April 19, 2011 at 10:35

Men care way too much. They have to learn to care for themselves first and foremost. All else is less important.

The Red Pill IS the remedy.
Once you’re off the grid you don’t need all that much money to live well.

Life can be beautiful but we must take our minds off the stinking hole: it’s just a hole with bad smell. Really not worth dying for…

Unplug from the matrix, study philosophy. Nobody is worth dying for.

Men must wake up and realize they have been set FREE: this is cause for celebration, not for death.

I’m truly sorry to see all those men taking their own life: it’s a terrible waste. In years passed, men would die for their “country”- the fools. Now they die for a meat hole -the fools.

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SingleDad April 19, 2011 at 10:37

I think this should be one of the first priorities of the MRM, nice job.

OT:

It seems that a woman in NY may make some money off some dead guy if the presumption of the father, even if cuckolded by his wife is the father is removed.

So, since one single woman can benefit, of course, the law may change.

Good news for the MRM:

“The decision by the New York courts about whether to delete Giuseppe Viola’s name from the old birth certificate could help reshape one of the most rigid rules of American law: the presumption that infants born to married women are the children of their husbands. The law often changes slowly to catch up with ideas about family, and Mrs. Montepagani’s challenge offers a snapshot of one case that could help erode a rule that dates from a long-ago world. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/nyregion/ny-court-fight-may-have-millions-of-ripples-in-italy.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

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Nico April 19, 2011 at 10:42

In France, there was an increase in the male suicide rate that started right when the women’s lib movement took off, in the sixties.

Those who lived through the two world wars were less prone to commit suicide.

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Lonely Winner April 19, 2011 at 11:10

Imagine how many hidden suicides there are in the form of car accidents. Men kills himself at an even higher than widely reported 4x the rate of women. If men really were the more violent/aggressive sex as feminists widely claim, wouldn’t there be a lot of murdered ex-wives too?

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Leenucks April 19, 2011 at 11:17

It sank in Germany in the past 10 years, from a 4.7:1 ratio to a 4.3:1 ratio (male:female of course) and the numbers actually went down (779 – 622 male), but that’s about it.

> Men all over the world just haven’t been the focus of a lot of suicide-prevention efforts.

Fixed that for you :/

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Rebel April 19, 2011 at 11:31

“Ultimately, boys learn to become detached from school.”… and from the indoctrination that is so pervasive in academia.

I predict that in the future it is MEN who will be the free humans while women will be rounded up for forced labor.

Consume, consume, consume… isn’t that a feminist mantra?
Aren’t women the ones polluting the planet with their outpour of gender bending estrogens, their makeup made out the bodies of aborted babies and their megazillions of crocodile skin shoes?

Makes you wonder why the numbers are not reversed, doesn’t it?

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MWPeak April 19, 2011 at 12:21

From the teenage years, I struggled with suicidal tendencies and a whole host of severe emotional problems. Now at the age of forty I have set aside my tendencies and invested my efforts in understanding why maturity and personal liberty took so long to come to me.

I would say that primarily, I was raised with a view of women as social queens, to be revered and pleased by men. My failure over the years to fulfill feminine expectations (which I now understand is genuinely impossible) contributed to my sense of perpetual failure and futility.

Secondary, I saw men in mostly subservient and submission positions. To avoid the storm of emotional controversy inevitable if they asserted themselves, they worked, brought home the paycheck, allowed their wives to manage the family and did whatever was needed to keep the peace. It was not a good example for me to follow.

Szebran is right that men need to realize that marriage in the traditional sense of men settled down to take responsibility for a family, making men the primary focus on the family, is gone. Marriage is now about feminine expectations and the never ending need to fulfill womens’ emotional needs.

I am forty, single and working on furthering my education in pursuit of some sort of rehabilitation from my feminazi past, refusing to bow the knee to the silliness in sex relations today. I intend to work for myself and my personal interests, no longer needing to marry or to pursue some outmoded idea of marriage and sex.

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Ken April 19, 2011 at 12:32

“I’m truly sorry to see all those men taking their own life: it’s a terrible waste. In years passed, men would die for their “country”- the fools. Now they die for a meat hole -the fools”.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes. Much of it is peer-pressure from other men:
“What, you not gettin’ any?! Dude, I get me a piece of @ss every damn night….you ain’t queer are ya bro?”

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Opus April 19, 2011 at 12:37

One of the great evils and stupidities of egaliterianism is the notion that men and women are the same, yet you do not have to live long to realise that the end of a marriage never mind being ditched by your girlfriend or even emotionally abused in the form of prick-tease causes men considerable emotional hardship, whereas women seem to be able to get over such events very quickly. For a woman to divorce seems to be when not a fashion statement at least ‘empowering’, but when a man gets divorced he feels like a total failure and usually goes to pieces.

I have never known any woman have any empathy for a divorcing man. It is always the fault of the man – if you were any good she would have stayed,- just forget her, and similar half-baked statements from both men and women fail to grasp the pain.

I have no idea what the answer is because in the long run one realises one is infinitely better off without the bitch.

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Angus McQueen April 19, 2011 at 12:44

Men need to turn off the sports and television which have turned their brains and bodies into mush! If men would get out and exercise their bodies and their minds, they would have a higher overall health rate and would be better able to cope with stressful events in life that drive some to the brink of suicide. Engaging in some kind of physical activity will burn off excess energy and testosterone which will enable one to control the libido. Men also need to engage in an intelligent hobby of some sort which doesn’t involve watching television. This helps the mind develop focus and creates positive thought patterns that occur when something useful is being created. Additionally, don’t alienate yourself from your family. Don’t hold grudges and let bygones be bygones. Don’t waste your time with people who aren’t going to be there when you need them. It’s better to have one good friend that will be there through tough times, than 100 “fair weather friends” that will only be around when the going is good.

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greyghost April 19, 2011 at 12:48

Leenucks we had an article and discussion on germay here once. A conclusion I gathered was that the german culture was turning to a MGTOW type. With single men getting vasectomies, expat, marrying foriegn women and just not marrying period. The numbers were very high, high enough to get a female politician to make a public comment which was the bases of the article. It is also noted in other articles from Germany on some areas having negative population growth do to low birth rate. Do you think men turning away from marriage and the lie that it is has had an effect on the german male suicide rate? would be real interesting to see.

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Lovekraft April 19, 2011 at 12:49

Taking the red pill, unplugging from the marriage 2.0 matrix involves a period of isolation while one educates oneself in shaming language, purpose outside of feminism, and developing a new filter for viewing the world.

In Mala Fide currently has an article shaming we MRAs as whiners, and I would, a year or so ago, feel that the author has some valid points. But now, I and many others have put his argument among the trash pile, as it has been established that the MRM has valid points and that feminism is long overdue for a realignment/redressing of grievances.

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Rebel April 19, 2011 at 12:53

““What, you not gettin’ any?! Dude, I get me a piece of @ss every damn night….you ain’t queer are ya bro?”

Queer?
Don’t worry, I’m just as straight as you say you are.
Sex is a two way street and I’m not gonna bend over for a piece of ass.

Never did. Never will.
You never have to.

You see, I’m not what you could call “obedient”.
I always do things on my own terms. It’s MY way or nothing.
And I admit I have dictatorial tendencies.

But I grant you freedom of speech.

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greyghost April 19, 2011 at 12:53

Szebran your description of marriage is the best of any I have seen of what day to day life is for a married man.

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Aharon April 19, 2011 at 12:57

OT:

‘Dad: Girl, 12, tried to rob store to save house’
His daughter was arrested last week for attempted armed robbery

The father told Local 4 he and his wife are going through a terrible divorce.

“Her mother told her that I was taking away the house that they live in, which is absolutely false and she was trying to get money to pay for the house is what I heard. It’s terrible,” the father said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42667269/ns/local_news-detroit_mi/

—- The article was very poorly written. It almost makes the dad seem like he was the supervising parent and was excusing the behavior which he wasn’t.

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SingleDad April 19, 2011 at 13:05

When my wife left and kidnapped my son I had the very real sensation of having my arm cut off.

I would say that getting into relationships, the constant drama and then divorce/breakups is the major cause of the disparity in suicides between men and women.

Men are more likely to commit suicide during a divorce and woman have no change in suicide rates during divorce:

“Men more likely to commit suicide after divorce, study finds

March 15, 2000

Divorce, however, doesnt seem to lead more women to commit suicide a surprising finding considering the popular wisdom that women suffer more than men after a divorce, according to the study, published this week in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.

We now need to look at the possibility that divorce negatively affects men, too, said study author Augustine Kposowa, Ph.D”

http://articles.cnn.com/2000-03-15/health/divorce.suicide.wmd_1_divorce-higher-suicide-rate-women-attempt-suicide?_s=PM:HEALTH

Ya think???

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SingleDad April 19, 2011 at 13:15

I have to add, for you younger guys. As I start looking at retirement, it’s all mine. If I were married, someone else would own half my income for my elder years. If she chose, on the slightest whim to divorce me, I would have to work an additional 10-15 years to make up the money.

Plus retirement as a single guy means a pretty low cost of living. I don’t have to keep re-doing the kitchen, etc.

I was married for 4 years and had to hand over a chunk of my retirement.

Don’t get married, put yourself at risk for suicide.

Don’t get married, retire early.

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LaughOrCry April 19, 2011 at 13:15

“Male unemployment is due largely to lack of education. ”

Male unemployment is due to women moving into the workforce, and to outsourcing overseas.

My father left high school with no qualifications whatsoever; he walked into a professional job that would eventually allow him to support himself and a family – he learned on the job.

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phil white April 19, 2011 at 13:21

“Any wife that helps her husband or considers his opinions is criticized in women’s literature as subservient. Additionally, she will also be the target of peer pressure from other women to change her behavior toward her husband. “

Too true.

“Lastly, if a late night girls outing results in an extra marital affair and pregnancy, its tough luck for the husband if he discovers the child isn’t his. Nearly all states have laws supporting paternity fraud. The hapless husband must raise & finance the child. The sleazebag other man will have no obligations. I’ve been told this is also the law in Britain. ”

Yes, and something needs to be done about it.

“…In fact, a better life is staying single, having a series of girlfriends..”

But this sounds like Frankfurt school style anti-white agenda to promote non-marriage and an even more disastrous American and European negative population growth rate (our planned genocide.)
Frankfurt school style “Cultural Marxism” has succeed far too well in turning our women against white men. Now we are going to assist them in their campaign to destroy what’s left of Western culture???

Who is this Szebran person??

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LaughOrCry April 19, 2011 at 13:31

…to add to my earlier post, modern “education” is actually credentialling. Since boys and young men don’t do as well as women in the feminized “education” system (that is, the credentialling system), not having the credentials for a job is a convenient way of excluding men and thus reducing the competition for women.

Of course, according to the modern narrative, boys and young men have “only themselves to blame” for being lazy whiners at school and not applying themselves like the diligent girls.

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Poiuyt April 19, 2011 at 13:33

Causes of Male suicide in genderised societies where maleness is considered bad and threatening but femaleness good and welcome:

1.
The Law, which forces a man at the point of a gun to cover all the expenses of his and his childrens official extortion by institutions and third parties, and to in addition continue paying non-stop, for an unfaithfull woman long since an ex-wife and therefor a total stranger.

2.
The procedures of the Law which makes a man a de facto, and indeed, a de jure criminal and outlaw for being male, for being a father or for being a husband. That is … in circumstances where a more sympathetic system would have correctly and rightly regarded and treated the man in question as being a victim.

3.
The political and social culture of the land that seeks at all costs to isolate one man from another man and all men from themselves. That is, so much so that not only the law and the procedures of the law, but a mans fellow men themselves come to be recognised as the willing tools, implements and weapons targetted at isolating males purely for their maleness.

4.
The malicious, systematic and deliberate isolation of multiple generations of sons from their fathers on false, untrue gainsayings and parrottings surrounding childrens best interests, but never isolating daughters from mothers on similar grounds. And in this case again, it is males themselves unquestioningly spearheading these professional activities agsinst boys in the service of a gendered ideaology.

5.
But worst of all, as a cause of the sky roketting rate of male suicide in this genderised society, is an internalised mal-identity by males of both high and low birth and social status, that the very purpose of males existence as male, is something to be construed and manipulated by others.

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Rebel April 19, 2011 at 13:51

@ Poiuyt:

You are describing a society that turned on against itself.

Clearly in “self-destruct” mode.

It’s there for all to see, yet few are aware.

Fascinating, isn’t it?

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Keyster April 19, 2011 at 13:59

“…whereas men don’t have social support networks.”

Yes they do, right here.
Say what’s on your mind.
You won’t be judged or insulted or threatened.

Once the cultural status of marriage to a woman is diminished to nothing among other men, it won’t matter. The pressure we feel from family, friends and employers must be ignored. Single men are WINNERS. Married men are resentful and envious.

Other then occasional sex, a housemate to help with bills and chores, the socially acceptable appearance of being “coupled” or being able to say “my wife this” or “my wife that” and not feeling awkward at dinner parties…what honestly redeeming value does a woman have to a man today? Even her ability to converse on topics other than gossip or fashion is very limited.

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Szebran April 19, 2011 at 14:22

phil white
“But this sounds like Frankfurt school style anti-white agenda to promote non-marriage and an even more disastrous American and European negative population growth rate (our planned genocide.)”
“Who is this Szebran person??”

I am – as you say – a white person. This has nothing to do with race. The idea that modern marriage is bullshit applies to all men regardless of color.
But if U feel U want to get married.. well.. I cant stop you.

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Szebran April 19, 2011 at 14:25

RE: greyghost

Thanks

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classic Joe April 19, 2011 at 14:30

“What benefit is modern marriage? Admittedly, men have previously received a health benefit from being married. However, research by Hui Liu and Debra Umberson (Journal of Health and Social Behavior, 2008) show, today, there is little difference in health status between married and unmarried men.”

Exactly. I figured that had to be true. The health benefits cited are usually that married guys live longer but since the guys in the study have to be dead they must be, on average, really old. This is barely the same planet as the one those guys got married on.

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oddsock April 19, 2011 at 14:35

Keyster

“…whereas men don’t have social support networks.”

Yes they do, right here.
Say what’s on your mind.
You won’t be judged or insulted or threatened.”

Well said Keyster. Also one of the reasons why I cringe when I see guys on here get into a handbags at ten paces hissy fit with each other over nonsense.
We just don’t need it, for fecks sake ! We have enough of a shitty time of things without having to deal with plant pots and child like ego battles. It’s so simple. If you dont like what someone posts, say so and forget it. It’s what adults do. No need for insults or put downs, thats what women do. ( unless its me thats doing it. lol )

Slightly off topic.

A few years back Lee had an excellent site, MGTOW II. It really was one of the best. A huge credit to Lee and it’s members. Over time we all sort of got to know each other and decided that Christmas and New Year was possibly the worst time for newly divorced or just plain lonely single guys. We or should I say, they ? The computer anorak type dudes managed to set up a chat room for the holiday period. Now get yer head around this; it was manned 24 hours a day. Global. We all took a few hours each to man the site, just so the guys on the site, even the lurkers could pop into the chat room and vent or chat or discuss. We done this two years running until the site went tits up. Who said men can’t support each other ? We did and right across the feckin world.

Just for info. A repost. It’s not mine and I have changed the title from Self Esteem to Self worth. The reason being, self esteem is the same as ego. Too much ego is the cause of many problems in this world.

The Ten Commandments of Self-Worth

I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee feel bad about thyself.

II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of crazy behavior.

III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more dysfunctional than thyself.

IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

V. Thou has permission at all times to say “NO,” to change thy mind, and to express thy true feelings.

VI. What is not right for thee is also not right for thy brethren.

VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the days of thy life.

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classic Joe April 19, 2011 at 14:45

Great article. I think your assessment of the problems with education are superb. Your understanding of the difficulty men have with perspective when it comes to marriage and relationships is great too.

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scot April 19, 2011 at 14:53

A little off topic, but was just reading that the proposed ban on certain sports like tag, dodgeball, ect, ect, that the gender-raunch burocrats in new york wanted to impose (gender-Raunch don’t like sports), just got thrown out.
“Gender-Raunch” don’t like sports..they want all children to be slothfull, fat, perverted, and on drugs.

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oddsock April 19, 2011 at 14:57

Not wishing to hijack the thread ( again)

Here is the link to the full article from the book. Emotional Terrorist by Erin Pizzey. IMHO this is vastly underestimated/unreported. The majority of guys have no idea what is or has happened to them. I certainly wasn’t. We forget. Most men are quite direct. Women are sneaky lying two faced shite bags that could cause a fight in a phone booth and walk away smiling.

“Through the subtle creation of perpetual turmoil, this terrorist may virtually drive other family members to alcoholism, to drug-addiction, to explosive behavior, to suicide. The other family members, therefore, are often misperceived as the ‘family problem’ and the hidden terrorist as the saintly woman who “puts up with it all.”) ”

http://www.ejfi.org/DV/dv-10.htm

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Geography Bee Finalist himself April 19, 2011 at 15:00

NWLC= Nasty Wrongfully Legislating Cunts

AAUW=Arrogant Association of University Witches

What’s wrong? Male Geography Bee finalist (NGB is probably still a sausage fest, to both organizations’ obvious chagrin, without any complaints from the aforementioned feminazi groups groups regarding the tuna fest that privileged demographics overwhelmingly are) disagrees with your policies? Going to run to some chick-with-a-dick mangina?

Good luck when the tide turns against all your your asses.

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Zeebom April 19, 2011 at 15:40

Mike, you really are the national geography bee champion from 1993, courtesy of a google search. what brought you to the-spearhead and are you still good at geography and educating your fellow geographers in feminist hypocrisy?

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Traveller April 19, 2011 at 15:41

The fact most jobs today require an higher instruction level than in the past, simply means the schools of today are worse than the ones of yesterday.

Soon, college graduates from feminist schools will be analphabete, provided they have the correct race/gender.

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Keyster April 19, 2011 at 15:56

“We have enough of a shitty time of things without having to deal with plant pots and child like ego battles.”

The fact that there are quite a few men who behave like children in the Men’s Movement oddsock, is just another indication that fatherly strength, maturity and wisdom in our society is so lacking. A generation of mutated masculinity.

I say this as a man who was flawed (and still is) in this regard.
I understand why men act like women and children at times when angry or frustrated. Like me, they’ve had poor examples of manhood through out their lives. This is gonna change one day however.

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Paradoxotaur April 19, 2011 at 15:57

AAUW= Awful Association of Ugly Warthogs

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forweg April 19, 2011 at 16:13

Men commit suicide because if they show any emotion or dare to voice the slightest complaint about their lot in life, they are shunned as whiners, pussies, and babies.

On the other hand, if men show little to no emotion, they are creepy, weirdo psychopaths.

I applaud all of the brave men who have chosen to end their own lives. It’s the ultimate fuck you to this sick society.

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Nemo April 19, 2011 at 16:31

Marriage doesn’t make men healthy or wealthy.

This is a deliberate reversal of cause and effect by feminist propagandists.

Women rarely marry seriously ill or poor men, ergo the men they do marry are dispoportionately healthy and wealthy.

A parallel may be made with studies of WWII vets that showed that combat vets who were not wounded or otherwise disabled had a lower mortality rate than other men of similar age.

The reason is that the healthiest men (draft classifaction 1A) made up most of the combat and almost all of the elite combat troops (airborne, Rangers, Marines) simply because unfit men could not compete effectively for those positions during training. The 4Fs (men not wanted by any service) died later at higher rates because they started out in much worse shape.

Getting shot at by strangers does *not* magically improve your health.

Getting married to an American woman also does not not improve your health, or your wealth.

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piercedhead April 19, 2011 at 16:31

“I understand why men act like women and children at times when angry or frustrated. Like me, they’ve had poor examples of manhood through out their lives. This is gonna change one day however.”

It’s changing already Keyster. I’ve lurked on several men’s forums over the last few years and learned a great deal about the masculine mode of exchanging views (after being over-exposed to the feminine). It’s something that can only be propagated by example.

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RMM April 19, 2011 at 16:33

@Cagefighter

“””I have to say, authentic near death experiences, be it self-inflicted or from without, does change you radically in ways all the modern pharmaceutical and clinical psychological approaches only wish they could penetrate.”””

Too true. I don’t think is so much “change” as some switches in one’s head effective going to the “off” position, so to speak. I’m not sure how it is for the guys that seriously contemplate (or attempt) suicide – as for me it was illness -, but in my case, after literally giving up at one point and doctors still managing to bring me back on my feet, that’s how I felt.

That’s the only way I can describe it really, I didn’t really gain much, I lost some, and I’m quite glad I did I may say.

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Charles Martel April 19, 2011 at 17:20

Great article.

There’s nothing worse than having an itch you can’t scratch. We are evolved, designed if you prefer, to seek the attention and approval of women. Men are reluctant to talk about this because we don’t like to admit our weakness, but women are the itch we can’t scratch. Women are not this way. They are the blossom, we are the bee.

The whole thing sucks.

“Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little.”…….Samuel Johnson, 1709-1784

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Enlightened Ape April 19, 2011 at 17:40

Hello all,

long-time reader but first-time poster here.

I haven’t had the need to post here because I generally agree with most of what is said here but one thing bugs me here. Its been pointed out before.

The ridiculously stupid statistic that “married men are healthier” as if this somehow means its because of their great wives.

As someone pointed out, the line of causality runs the other way. Healthy person = desirable person = more likely to get married. I mean how many women go out of their way to marry unhealthy, or dying, or homeless/very low status (thus more likely to live shorter lives) people??? Saying marriage makes men healthier is like saying it makes them taller or richer – you will find a correlation there was well but the causality runs the other way.

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TomJW April 19, 2011 at 17:49

phil white April 19, 2011 at 13:21

Who the hell are you?

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phil white April 19, 2011 at 18:33

“I am – as you say – a white person. This has nothing to do with race. The idea that modern marriage is bullshit applies to all men regardless of color.
But if U feel U want to get married.. well.. I cant stop you. ”

Unmarried men are, last time I looked, much more suicide prone than family men. Course there is a question of how much of that is due to unstable men being unable to marry.
I suppose Rev. Jim Jones could have told his parishioners at the last “Well if U want to continue living in this world, I can’t stop U, but U’d be better off to drink my cool-aid”

http://ehehr1955.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/v14_jonestown_lf.jpg
The Jonestown Massacre
February 2001
By Rick Ross

On November 18, 1978 912 followers of American cult leader Jim Jones (“Peoples Temple”) died in a remote South American jungle compound called “Jonestown” in British Guyana. Some members were shot, others were forced to drink poison, but most willingly participated in what Jones said was an act of “revolutionary suicide.”

Why would you want to oppose family formation? Don’t you know fathers are necessary in children’s lives?
Check out the Frankfurt school and social Marxism and Feminism.

University in Toronto, Canada (which is really the only bastion of left/critical theory in political science in Canada these days) Prof.Asher Horowitz offers a graduate course every other year called “The Critical Theory of the Frankfurt School and Benjamin.” In terms of Herbert’s works specifically, the course covered “One-Dimensional Man”, “Eros and Civilization”, “Counter-Revolution and Revolt,” as well as “On Hedonism.”
The listing can be found by scolling down on this page at York: http://www.yorku.ca/grads/cal/pol.htm.
The following course is also listed on that page: Political Science 5091: “Marxism, Feminism, Poststructuralism. This course explores some of the important theories put forward by Marxists in the twentieth century including those of Lukacs, Marcuse, and Althusser. It also examines challenges to Marxist theory posed by feminism and poststructuralism. Integrated with the undergraduate course Arts Political Science 4091″

http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=marcuse+feminism+%22eros+and+civilization%22&n=10&va_vt=any&vo_vt=any&ve_vt=any&vp_vt=any&vst=0&vf=all&vm=p&fl=0&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=marcuse+feminism+%22eros+and+civilization%22&d=4924476543798659&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=b6c51ea1,5eacec98&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=w15gb.__uemwlE0d6YCLww–

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Geography Bee Finalist himself April 19, 2011 at 18:42

Zeebom,

Yes, I did represent New York (whose capital of Albany is an anagram for “by anal”, how any NY resident takes it when residing in that state), and I found the-spearhead.com independently online.

I’m still good at geography and although the competition may still be a sausage fest in the 2010′s, I do not know how much the other male NGB competitors support/hinder the MRM. I do assure you that I succeeded in geography in spite of public education, not because of it.

I would also say that any success I had in life was in spite of a mangina father and mangina younger brother and a mother and older sister who whored out their female ancestors’ “powerlessness” and thought that males owed them everything accordingly.

That would be like me pimping out ancestral female middle children and gay-pimping out ancestral male middle children over a middle-child birth order grievance and saying that only children, elder children (of two siblings), younger children (of two siblings), and eldest and youngest children owe me the whole fucking universe.

I would need good luck with that, especially in Africa, where the fertility rates per woman would suggest that a supermajority of children (even when we do not allow for half-siblings and stepsiblings due to polygamy) would harbor the same grievance.

Remember that white feminists (wherever they may be) only give a rat’s ass about black African women when they need them. This is a pathetic attempt to refute the idea that feminism is racist to the core with black African women at the bottom of the pecking order.

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phil white April 19, 2011 at 19:29

RE: TomJW April 19, 2011 at 17:49
phil white April 19, 2011 at 13:21

“Who the hell are you?”

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Phil White
2012 Gardenview Road
Sebring FL 33870

Graduat Sebring High School, 1960
Discharged from 6th Inf 1965
University of Florida, Physics, 1971

Divorced white male, former step father, Age 68. Raised by a better generation in a two parent home thank the Lord.

And who are you baby man?

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codebuster April 19, 2011 at 19:29

Male unemployment is due to women moving into the workforce, and to outsourcing overseas.

No it’s not. It’s due to affirmative action. I’ve got no problem with equal opportunity. What I have a problem with is where just about every job vacancy where physical strength is not a requirement (efforts to lower the bar for women in the military, police, etc notwithstanding), there is either an explicit quota system favoring women, or there is an implicit public-relations pressure compelling firms to favor women over men to make them look good. The unspoken biases are the most insidious, because they create the reality that is hard to substantiate in statistics.

Outsourcing is happening to a large extent as a practical response to the effects of affirmative action.

Affirmative action as state-sponsored sexism against men, biases choices in favor of women for “career” progressions that women are, for the most part, ambivalent about. AA is quite the outrage, because every man must work to survive, and biasing against men in this deliberate way is preposterous.

Which leads into my next point. Generally, I guess it’s fair to say that for men, suicide is not a lifestyle choice. It’s not a “cry for help”, so much as the harsh requirements of reality bearing down upon you. If you don’t have an income, you die… well, sooner rather than later, anyways. For women, if they don’t have job, they have an escape-hatch… a chump who will provide for her. That’s why for many women, suicide is more inclined to be a lifestyle choice… a self-indulgent cry for help that attracts attention and wins friends.

Unlike for women, for men, working is not a hobby. It’s not something you do if you like, something you do if your fancy takes you. It’s not an opportunity to network with friends and chat about your favorite soap.

All these references from talking-heads spouting their psychobabble shed no light on what’s really going on. Women “communicate” better? lol Let’s nip that li’l fairytale in the bud right now. It has more to do with how reality’s requirements bear down upon men while supporting and protecting women. Why commit suicide when the worst that can happen to you is you have to put up with some chump when he comes home between shifts? You can get fat and lazy on bonbons and tv soaps, to ride that freebie to the grave, without ever feeling the pressure to end it all.

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WGMOW April 19, 2011 at 19:58

How can anyone state with a straight face that females “communicate better”??? That is a complete falacy, as anyone with two ears and one brain can tell you. The language spoken by females is remarkably imprecise, usually gobbledegook about feelings or gossip about people, accompanied by much hand-flabbing and dabbing at the eyes. Females also don’t know how to stick with a subject: they go around and around, so that your discussion about politics in the Mid-East ends up being about why you think her ass is big. Lastly, they don’t know how to hold a conversation; they all talk at once and try to talk over each other, a la that execrable TV show “The View.”

As for men committing suicide: I despair for the loss of good lives. But I must say that suicide takes a certain amount of courage. To face your own end and know that you will cease to exist in a few moments, and still act, is an act of courage as well as desperation. Females do not commit suicide as they have no courage. All their attempted suicides are not attempts at all, just staged events to gain attention.

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Izzey April 19, 2011 at 19:59

Need some voices here. This is a joke.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04/18/n-y-domestic-violence-registry-proposal-met-with-big-concerns/

Thank you in advance.
Izzey

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Depravo April 19, 2011 at 20:41

The article did touch on the way you are more likely to tie yourself in knots over failure to get ‘the girl’ the younger you are. The closest I ever came to true depression was largely as a result of not bagging a particular girl back at university. A few years down the line and even if my wife, who is awesome, left, I’d be cut up, but would get over it and move on fairly soon.

At some point you realise they’re all basically interchangeable. Not a pleasant realisation, but at least it relieves you of the impulse to make an idiot out of yourself over some flirtatious skeeze.

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Wulf April 19, 2011 at 20:50

Phil White knows what he is talking about. Feminism is straight out of the Frankfurt School of Marxism.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/30205

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Keyster April 19, 2011 at 21:10

There’s a certian honor in suicide that only a man could grasp.
Not as an act of self-pity, but one of sacrifice to whatever is the higher power.
The old indian that goes off to die, knowing it’s his time. The Samurai Seppuku on a desolate beach.

Woman is sacred because she gives life, and for only a short time.
Man is life, but common and expendable by comparison.
You can’t blame either for their natural standing.

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codebuster April 19, 2011 at 21:52

You can’t blame either for their natural standing.

There is indeed both courage and tragedy associated with suicide irrespective of whether the one suiciding is a man or a woman. Anyone, man or woman, who is serious about suicide, is certainly not out to win friends and influence people.

One of the problems with trying to be deliberately provocative (as I am sometimes inclined to do) is that the real cause goes unidentified. So for the sake of clarity… Within the context of this current topic, the real cause comes down to AA, feminism and the “men” in power (e.g., Joe Biden) along with the male sycophants and assorted chumps more interested in wallowing in approval from women than living authentically. For the most part, women are just opportunistic bystanders enjoying the spoils of a culture war.

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Rebel April 19, 2011 at 22:10

The reason fewer women commit suicide is that they know they will get all the help they need.

The reason men commit more suicide is that they know they will receive scorn, not help.

Offer men the same help women get and the suicide rate of men will equal that of women.

Who can prove that wrong?

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Tyranosaurus April 19, 2011 at 23:01

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LaughOrCry April 20, 2011 at 00:13

codebuster -
“Male unemployment is due to women moving into the workforce, and to outsourcing overseas.” [LaughOrCry]

“No it’s not. It’s due to affirmative action. ”

Regardless of the reason(s) why women have moved into the workplace, my point still stands.

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Wobbegong April 20, 2011 at 00:28

@ Ken…

Yes. Much of it is peer-pressure from other men:
“What, you not gettin’ any?! Dude, I get me a piece of @ss every damn night….you ain’t queer are ya bro?”

That can’t be a married man talkin!

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codebuster April 20, 2011 at 00:46

There’s nothing worse than having an itch you can’t scratch. We are evolved, designed if you prefer, to seek the attention and approval of women. Men are reluctant to talk about this because we don’t like to admit our weakness, but women are the itch we can’t scratch. Women are not this way. They are the blossom, we are the bee. The whole thing sucks. “Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little.”…….Samuel Johnson, 1709-1784

I disagree, Charles. Let me explain by way of response to Keyster and peircedhead:

It’s changing already Keyster. I’ve lurked on several men’s forums over the last few years and learned a great deal about the masculine mode of exchanging views (after being over-exposed to the feminine). It’s something that can only be propagated by example.

Example is the keyword. Paul Elam’s post questioning whether Jesus was a mangina is relevant. I have my own interpretation based on regarding Jesus as a cultural alien (introducing alien concepts from another “culture”) and I will have more to say on this later. Suffice it to say, for now, examples are crucial to understanding how we might rise above our basest instincts. Women are not the blossom and we are not their bee. We are not designed “to seek the attention and approval of women.” This is one of the most pernicious aspects of the genocentric interpretations that seem to be favored by the EP crowd (evolutionary psychology). There might be genetic predispositions predisposing us to certain motivations, but there is no genetic blueprint that accounts for our behavioural trajectory from conception through to old age. There is no “program” in the “brain-as-computer” that can explain your motivations or your desires. The truth (that debunks genocentrism) will indeed set you free.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 00:59

Gents,
This is my #1 hot topic.

I am a man who has had one failed suicide attempt (thankfully) when 17 and was suicidal during the period I disowned my former children. I know what this is like. Men suicide in divorce at about 8x the rate of women who have been genuinely raped. Further a colleague of mine suicided in 96 during an acrimonious divorce. I have spoken to LOTS of suicidal men in the last three years.

When I speak to them I share fearlessly and openly my suicidal time and how I felt. I then share how my closest friends helped me save my life and then how I went on to recover, discard the useless beta-mangina-father-husband-loser persona I had and created my ‘globalman’ identity. I share with them how much I love my life and how much I enjoy being with my closest friends.

I give them what ALMOST NO OTHER MAN WILL GIVE THEM. HOPE.

MANY of these men tell me the SAME THING. And that is ‘no other man has ever spoken to me like that in my life before’. You men want to ask ‘why is that’?

I can tell you that MEN spurn and criticise MEN who are or have been suicidal. When a man is suicidal there is no support. NONE AT ALL. Indeed. Men are brainwashed to ‘go it alone’ when they are most upset and most need support.

It is up to MEN to be prepared to spot the signs. It is up to MEN to be prepared to lend a hand. It is up to MEN to work on networks and associations to create jobs for MEN so they do not kill themselves. And if MEN fail MEN then those MEN can take the blame for the MEN killing themselves.

I started my little crusade against the Illuminati to save the lives of the MEN and the BOYS who are slated for being killed. I have asked MEN to assist me. How many MEN have assisted me? Almost none as a percentage. You MEN here? Every single man who kills himself anywhere in the world because of the abuse of the fem-nazi system? If YOU are not doing ALL you can then YOU are part of the problem.

Deep down the VAST MAJORITY OF MEN don’t give a flying f*** about anyone but themselves. It is a plain hard truth that MEN need to shove down the throats of OTHER MEN until it makes them want to puke.

I was over on the Irish Free Man site for 18 months or so? When Kev proved himself to be a mangina I left. It is well to note that in that time another man, DaveKey, also posted MANY posts about how many young men are killing themselves in Ireland. No one wanted to talk about it. So I f***ing BEGGED men here to come over to the Irish Free Man site and talk openly about the deaths of men from the abuse of FC? How many came? Three that I recall. That’s f***ing pathetic. Now I am on http://tnsradio.ning.com/ and I f***ing BEG men to come over and talk openly about the suicides and ‘murder by proxy’ of the family courts? Nope. That’s too much f***ing trouble for all you ‘arm chair activits’.

I have f***ing BEGGED you men to help me with the world passport to give men a way out of their country should they be attacked? Nope. Too much f***ing trouble. Well? I have on my desk now a letter from the legal department of the World Service Authority addressed to Angela Merkel with the ultimatum that should I be denied travel on the World Passport the German government will be require to show proof of the legality and lawfulness of doing this.

I have spent 3,000 hours and about USD500K total costs (including the loss of my house). This does NOT include lost income that could have been earned in that 3,000 hours. I BEG men to assist me. And you f***ing won’t.

Well? Every death by suicide? Anyone just sitting around and f***ing talking about it? YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Not the women. Not the feminist. Not the guvment.

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

Why? Because you can’t take your head out of your arse long enough to educate yourself and then educate the next man.

You can’t take your head out of your arse long enough to spot the suicidal men and assist them.

You can’t take your head out of your arse long enough to help me and the tens of thousands like me re-establish the rule of law across the English speaking world.

I am disgusted in women, sure. But I am MORE disgusted in MEN.

There is not a single regular reader of this site that does not know the remedy exists to live free in a fem nazi world. Your excuse for NOT acting on that remedy is simply because you are too stupid and pig ignorant to be bothered to educate yourselves and you wrap that up with ‘I do not believe you’. Well Einstein has something to say to YOU MEN.

“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.” —Albert Einstein

And that pretty much includes 99% of the men who read this comment.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums.aspx

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 01:16

‘This one person was right for me, I’ve lost her, and it’s all over’ … they lack the perspective that they’re going to have other relationships, maybe even better relationships”

The perspective they lack is that these ‘relationships’ are not worth having. I have ‘relaxionships’. They are worth having.

“In addition, divorce or marital separation more than doubled the risk of suicide in men, whereas in women, marital status was unrelated to suicide.” Dr. Augustine Kposowa from the University of California suspects that this difference is related to the social networks men and women form outside their marriages, which may be stronger or more meaningful in women than in men.

It couldn’t POSSIBLY be related to the FACT that women get away with perjury, kidnapping, extortion and theft in their criminal ‘legalised’ abuse of the man. Nope. That can’t have ANYTHING to do with male suicide.

It couldn’t POSSSIBLY have anything to the with the theft of his children, his house, his assets and his future income.

It couldn’t POSSIBLY have anything to do with the fact that EVEN HIS OWN FATHER WILL BLAME HIM RATHER THAN LISTEN TO THE TRUTH. Nope. Couldn’t be anything to do with the fact that EVERYONE WILL HATE ON HIM if he ‘complains’ about these crimes against him. That NO ONE WILL HELP HIM REMEDY THESE CRIMES. Nope…can’t be anything to do with all these things. Must be that women are ‘better communicators’. What a stinking pile of SHIT that is.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 01:17
Anonymous April 20, 2011 at 01:48

Szebran April 19, 2011 at 14:22

phil white
“But this sounds like Frankfurt school style anti-white agenda to promote non-marriage and an even more disastrous American and European negative population growth rate (our planned genocide.)”
“Who is this Szebran person??”

I am – as you say – a white person. This has nothing to do with race.

End quote.

Right,but it just so happens to lead to increased relational dysfunction between white men and women(in majority white country).

As Phil rightly points out,people who desire only the very worst outcomes for my racial group(of whatever racial origin) have found many different outlets for this anti-white “sh**-stirring”/family destruction.Just look at all the bltantly anti-white MSM.

So not only do we have:

Africa for the Africans,Asia for the Asians,White countries for EVERYBODY!

we also have:

White men and women must hate each other!

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bryers April 20, 2011 at 01:50

Szebran April 19, 2011 at 14:22

phil white
“But this sounds like Frankfurt school style anti-white agenda to promote non-marriage and an even more disastrous American and European negative population growth rate (our planned genocide.)”
“Who is this Szebran person??”

I am – as you say – a white person. This has nothing to do with race.

End quote.

Right,but it just so happens to lead to increased relational dysfunction between white men and women(in majority white country).

As Phil rightly points out,people who desire only the very worst outcomes for my racial group(of whatever racial origin) have found many different outlets for this anti-white “sh**-stirring”/family destruction.Just look at all the bltantly anti-white MSM.

So not only do we have:

Africa for the Africans,Asia for the Asians,White countries for EVERYBODY!

we also have:

White men and women must hate each other!

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Kris W April 20, 2011 at 02:27

Some of you are beginning to piece the puzzle together(about the Illuminati), but your looking at it from the wrong angle.

Blow back from the femnazi agenda would culminate in their(Illuminati) destruction. Leaving so much energy around would be foolish no?

Their end goal isn’t communism but fascism. They can control a fascist state but a communist state would be their own undoing. Can feminism produce a fascist state directly? No.

Women aren’t nor where they ever angry enough, and aren’t strong enough. Any totalitarian state created from their energies would fall too quickly for the Illuminati’s needs.

But the blow back from feminism would be strong enough to form a very powerful fascist state. Basically the Illuminati are trumping up women and persecuting men, so one day men will be in the position of the average German after the first World War and women will be in the position of the affluent German Jew after the first world war.

But here comes the monkey wrench, men are beginning to release who is at fault. So now they have to dissipate. The only way they can do that is by creating a disaster (08 Depression), creating hype about them (2012), let the hype come to nothing and the depression lessen.

But the depression will only really lesson for men, creating a slight pivot wobble where things will seem to get better for us at women’s expense. Women will be slightly outraged which will cause the politicians to come down on us hard. Because of the education gap women will win out in the end leading to a gigantic number of unemployed and underemployed men that will get really really angry.

Putting them back on track for their fascist one world order. It is all about the movement and placement of energy.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 04:35

OT…but this looks like an interesting book….I have asked a friend if he can find a copy. But if anyone else can find an online copy? Please share. Note the publishing date. 1983.

http://www.amazon.com/Ball-Breaking-Robert-Spicer/dp/B001R9POVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1303259290&sr=8-1

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The Trend April 20, 2011 at 04:59
Charles Martel April 20, 2011 at 05:43

@codebuster

We are not designed “to seek the attention and approval of women.” This is one of the most pernicious aspects of the genocentric interpretations that seem to be favored by the EP crowd (evolutionary psychology).

You’re a genome-mapper (codebuster) that believes in the primacy of free will, no? I’m close to the opposite end of the spectrum. Even the actions you believe are the result of free will are the manifestations of fragments of your DNA. You don’t have to look further than the various studies of separated identical twins to get a mountain of evidence for this point of view.

The arc of my life has been dramatically affected by my interactions with women. Even the fact that I live in the USA and not in Europe is primarily the result of the effects of one relationship. Oh, how much easier it would have been to be the flower and not the bee.

Denial of this is just one more version of “man up!” and I’m tired of hearing that.

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phil white April 20, 2011 at 05:44

“this difference is related to the social networks men and women form outside their marriages, which may be stronger or more meaningful in women than in men.”

Good Morning Vietnam!
Under the historical male bonding scenario, actually mens support can be even stronger than womens. That comes in combat situations (which some of you younger guys may be involved in coming years) or perhaps in the old male hunting groups preparing to cut out a bison from the herd.
A documentary 15 years back on a Bill Moyers PBS program was about a group of veterans from a Texas division on a bus tour in Europe.
One of the old guys being interviewd, and I’ll be paraphrasing here, said “I can’t make my wife understand the bond that I feel with these men.”
Now consider this. Think of two people, one of whom you are dependant on for the satisfaction of your sexual instinct and the other of whom you are dependent on for the satisfaction of your survival instinct. Now, of these two people which one do you think is going to be emotionally more important to you?

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phil white April 20, 2011 at 06:01

“When I speak to them I share fearlessly and openly my suicidal time and how I felt. I then share how my closest friends helped me save my life ..”

Well I guess Pete’s comment above should be added to the short list of male crisis bonding situations.
Question Pete: What is this slated to be killed remark refer to? I’m thinking you are talking about courts denying coustody of children and other legal predjudices of the legal system?
The only time I seriously contemplated suicide was during the divorce, for about 10 seconds. I was sitting with my Dads 22 on my lap in a paranoid state that the wife and other man were going to show up to kill me.
I’ll try to read some of your links now.

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 07:37

Just in case anyone is wondering how western countries are going to be destroyed.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/42415

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 07:44

phil white April 20, 2011 at 06:01
“Question Pete: What is this slated to be killed remark refer to?”

Phil.
The Illuminati say that 6-7B people is too many. Maybe they are right and maybe they are wrong. But they have set their target for the world population and that is 500M people. The interim target for the UK is 30M and the interim target for Australia is 7M. Those are two numbers PUBLISHED by the respective guvments as “wouldn’t this be nice” to see who noticed them and to see who pointed them out as a ‘proposal to see who responded’.

Of course. Both little announcements went by with barely anyone awake enough to notice what they meant.

Personally? I’ve come to the conclusion that I can see no reason why any MAN who does not choose to be a sovereign and free should not be killed off by the Illuminati just like we kill off sheep and cattle. Those who sit around and say “Nah, that can’t be true”. When he is about to be killed and he pleads ‘will no-one help me’? The answer will be “we tried to and you spurned us. Now it is time to pay the price for your willfull ignorance.”

“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance”. This is why men are slaves. Let those who will not use the book presented to them be slaves.

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oddsock April 20, 2011 at 07:48

Peter Andrew Nolan

“just like we kill off sheep and cattle”

Whooooa! What have sheep done wrong ?

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 08:04

oddsock April 20, 2011 at 07:48
Whooooa! What have sheep done wrong ?

They weren’t pretty enough so they had to be made into lamp chops. We only keep the pretty ones for…..well….personal use… ;-)

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Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) April 20, 2011 at 08:12

Gents,
I am doing my bit to end the male suicide as well as to stop all those fatherless kids out there having more join them. I posted to this place my lawful notices to the federal MPs in Australia as well as the NSW state MPs. All have been accused of being accessories to mass murder and they will all stand trial for their crimes. NONE of them have denied these crimes. Those scumbags know they are guilty as hell.

I was about 5,000,000% sure none of them would turn up last Friday and admit their crimes and join us to re-introduce the rule of law in Australia. But they had to be made the offer.

Since none turned up? And since most young men don’t read any more? I spent my entire weekend creating videos of all these notices as well as an introduction, a video on my ‘awakening’ and the book explained in more detail.

This pretty much concludes a few months of frantic activity in this area. Men will either choose to use the book and free themselves or they will not. What they CAN NOT DO is to claim they don’t know it exists. Every man here would be well advised to pass around the link below if they want to do their bit to stop the male suicide that is occurring in all the western world. Every man here is well advised to read the book and learn how to ‘live free in a femnazi world’. If you do not read this, use it and then teach the next man? YOU are part of the problem.

This book was created for men so that they could live in freedom. But freedom is only acquired by conscious choice. Slavery is acquired by being unconscious. These videos each contain links back to the source documents and the source documents now contain links to the videos.

This is as much as I can do on this front. Up to other men to step up to using this and passing it along.

We are now going to concentrate on the court cases. They may take a while to get done. But there is not that much work in getting them done.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/104/scope/threads/Default.aspx

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TomJW April 20, 2011 at 08:31

phil white April 19, 2011 at 19:29

“And who are you baby man?”

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Thomas J. Walsh
1015 Smithfield Ave Apt 12
Lincoln, RI 02865

Graduat Holy trinity High School 1973
SUNY University at Buffalo BS Civil Engineering

Divorced white male, father, Age 56.
Raised by the best two parents who could not concieve of society as it now exists. This leaves me, and other men, scrabbling to adapt.

I don’t need to hear your nonsense of questioning facts because you can’t recognize them. You certainly proved your assuptions are wrong in your post.

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codebuster April 20, 2011 at 09:23

You’re a genome-mapper (codebuster) that believes in the primacy of free will, no? I’m close to the opposite end of the spectrum.

Thanks for the pigeon-hole, but it doesn’t fit.

Even the actions you believe are the result of free will are the manifestations of fragments of your DNA.

According to what theory? References please.

You don’t have to look further than the various studies of separated identical twins to get a mountain of evidence for this point of view.

Twins studies have yielded mixed, contentious results. I side with the findings debunking them. You side with the findings supporting them. How much time do you have? How far do you want to take this?

Just to clarify… this is the era of feminism. Would you trust any culture that allows a movement as idiotic as feminism to impact on politics and education, with how it conducts its “sciences”? I don’t. Would you trust a thief with your credit card? Culture is a whole. What you will find is that the one disease affects the whole. I don’t trust any of the garbage churned out from the Anglosphere. Do you want to argue with that?

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phil white April 20, 2011 at 09:57

“If you want sex with attractive females then it’s like anything else in life, carve out your niche (suicidal girls) and become the master of your own domain.”

Not to be approving of the over all tone of
Tyranosaurus post (it’s a testament to the nobel natue of most men here that it wasn’t popular) but there is a bit of truth to it.
I was not a good looking guy, some what below average. Also on the short side.
Several years ago looking back on my life, I realized that every woman/girl I manged to have hang aroud at all for any length of time, including my one wife, wore corrective vison devices.
My conclusion was their lack of perfect vision softened my less than perfect apperance to them.
If I’d realized that thirty years ago I’d have spent more time hanging around the Pear Vison store in the mall, hoping to bag some one. : )

Pass this on to any homely short young men you know. Try to be diplomatic.

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oddsock April 20, 2011 at 10:05

Interesting article. Further confirmation of what Erin Pizzey said.

Excerpt.

‘TUESDAY, April 12 (HealthDay News) — Men who are victims of domestic abuse by their female partners can develop psychological trauma, such as post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression and suicidal thoughts, new research finds.

Researchers looked at a group of 302 men who sought professional help after experiencing what the researchers called “intimate terrorism,” which refers to high levels of violence and controlling behavior by female partners.

Another 520 men took part in a telephone survey that asked about their relationships. Sixteen percent of these men said they had experienced minor acts of violence and mental abuse during arguments with their female partners. This type of abuse was referred to as “common couple violence.”‘

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_110899.html

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oddsock April 20, 2011 at 10:09

Phil White

Inflatabe sheep don’t wear glasses. Just saying

Come to think of it, I have never seen a real sheep wearing glasses either.

Maybe you are just too fussy about where you poke your love truncheon mate ?

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phil white April 20, 2011 at 10:10

Peter Andrew:

I read a couple of your links. I’m not a lawyer but if I were you I’d consult one as to wether it’s wise to leave them up without any change. You might be in for a nasty libel suit.
Also, as to warning the general public, mainly men I suppose, about Jennifer, it’s not likely to be a problem.
You were together 23 years and she already had two children. Therefore it appears she is likely now well past 40 years of age. Trust me. There are going to be few men who are going to become romatically involved with her.
Since she is not likely to be able to hurt another man the way she did you, it may well be a better bet for you to do a little careful editing of your on line expose of her. Don’t give her a chance to file a libel suit.
I know that when people suffer a tragedy as you did, it is an almost unviersal response that they try to warn others of the particular danger. Mothers agains drunk driving was founded by a woman who’s child was killed by a drunk.
I think your work to change the laws against fathers is very worth while and also helpful mentaly to you.
Good luck.

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Charles Martel April 20, 2011 at 10:13

Thanks for the pigeon-hole, but it doesn’t fit.

I’m not trying to pigeon-hole you, I’m genuinely interested. Do you write software or is it genetic code that you’re busting? From your various posts you seem more like a genome guy.

I had the privilege to take a course with Eric Lander in business school. He was teaching an advanced course in probability and game theory just for fun. I’m very smart, but Eric made me feel like a dummy. It was nothing Eric did either, he was a true gentleman, just comparing his intellect to mine left me feeling highly inadequate. He’s probably the smartest guy I’ve ever met.

Anyway, greetings from the gene-machine corner of the universe!

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Reader April 20, 2011 at 10:41

Codebuster,

What is your explanation for why almost all women seem to respond to the same subconscious motivators?

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phil white April 20, 2011 at 10:43

“We are now going to concentrate on the court cases. They may take a while to get done. But there is not that much work in getting them done.”

Peter: Hope they are hanging tribunals. :)

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keyster April 20, 2011 at 10:56

“For the most part, women are just opportunistic bystanders enjoying the spoils of a culture war.”

Women are and always have been opportunistic bystanders. Other than being gestational carriers of our progeny, there’s very little that they contribute to society vis a vis men. Men design, build, innovate, discover, fix, grow and defend with their lives everything that sustains civilization…and women are the beneficiaries of our efforts.

We are woman’s slave, and we’re so manipulated and brainwashed into believing we’re not, that we just keep serving her…and now we even bow down to her in deference, and help her compete against us…at her own peril.

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Tom Barry April 20, 2011 at 11:52

Men need to abandon women as their center of gravity. The way it is now, a man’s entire worth depends on how he serves women. Men don’t identify with their career as much as they do with the money they earn. It allows them to serve and please women. This does not benefit men, it benefits women and society. If men shifted their center of gravity from women to themselves, they would not be so burdened. Ask a woman what a “real” man does and she will tell you what she wants men to do for her. It’s not some lofty ideal. It’s manipulating you to serve her wants and desires.

Reject society’s ideas of masculinity and make your own. Your worth is not in how well you provide for women, how much you are willing to die for a society that views you as expendable or how much pain you can take. It’s better to be a free man than a “real” man. You don’t owe women or society anything.

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oddsock April 20, 2011 at 11:53

Reader

Codebuster,

“What is your explanation for why almost all women seem to respond to the same subconscious motivators? ”

Apologies for butting in. Have any of you considered ” memes ” as a major influence in human behaviour ?

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Reader April 20, 2011 at 13:28

Oddsock,

You mean like when sheep suddenly started wearing Batman costumes? :-)

The concept of memes would be related to my question to Codebuster in the sense of: “what would make one group, but not another, susceptible to a particular meme?”.

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maal dweb April 20, 2011 at 18:28

“Male unemployment is due largely to lack of education. ”

WRONG!

Male unemployment is the result of the switching of the western economies from mining, farming, construction and manufacturing to the so-called Service Industry. The former are traditionally male fields, the latter is a field which overwhelmingly favours women. This is also the reason why Western economies are in such a tragic mess, we are producing less and less but we have gigantic service sectors and countless of useless government jobs mostly done by women. This is true in all EU countries and from what I read in US as well.

When feminist “academics” and journalists (AKA propagandists) claim that women do better than men in higher education, they always speak about women earning university degrees in idiotic useless subjects such as Psychology, Women Studies, Ethnic Studies, African Studies and with modules in the development of the African hair-cut in post-colonial Congo and modules in the evolution of gay marxist thought!

Don’t regurgitate feminist propaganda please !

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codebuster April 20, 2011 at 18:39

What is your explanation for why almost all women seem to respond to the same subconscious motivators?

1) Female physiology and biology provide the same predispositions, for the most part. And within any one culture, women will be predisposed to share culturally specific female interpretations of how things are;
2) Associationism. Associationism is important because the people that we associate with become a part of our narratives (associations), and thus we become the cultural collective that shares in one understanding in how the world works. That’s what culture is. Refer to my link below, to Daniel Kahneman, for more on associationism.
3) Memes? Very good, oddsock. It was the high priest of genetic determinism, Richard Dawkins himself, who introduced the concept of memetics to explain how ideas spread throughout culture. But there is a more sophisticated interpretation available based in semiotics.

In order to understand why this stuff is important, consider Roissy’s interpretations of female psychology. I know that Roissy alludes to evo psych often (to his detriment), but he’s not a scientist, so he’s applying street-smarts to derive a more realistic interpretation that no nerd in a labcoat can ever hope to compete with. Now I don’t agree with everything that Roissy says, and certainly not his agenda. But his interpretations are on the ball. And he hasn’t even got a degree in psychology or biology. Formal academia just cannot compete with him, either in theory or in practical application. The interpretations derived from within the feminist/chivalrist Idiotsphere just cannot hope to compete.

But there is hope, signs that an alternative interpretation is on the horizon. As Daniel Kahneman suggests, there are some recent developments in the cognitive sciences that allude to general principles, or “laws of mind”. Norman Doidge and Stefan Molyneux know that culture impacts on cognitive processes and how the brain is “wired”. They know, albeit from a rather clinical perspective, that our experiences and the choices we make shape our personalities.

Of course genes and DNA are important. What is at stake is not their importance, but how they work. Again, more cutting-edge stuff from biophysics and quantum biology.

What am I suggesting? Does this dearth of paradigm for a compelling life science not provide us with an opportunity to make our own mark on history in the most compelling and forceful way possible? All this comes together under an interpretation that makes sense of a lot of things, including some of our world religions. A crucial question is how we “know how to be”. Genetic determinism is toxic because it is blind to this question. Not even interested. A realistic theoretical foundation will address this question with the realization that we take our cues from our ecoystems. For humans, our ecosystem is culture.
Anyways, enough for now. Looks like TS has moved on to other topics.

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codebuster April 20, 2011 at 19:05

Do you write software or is it genetic code that you’re busting?

It’s just a name I cobbled together out of the blue. It’s not computer code that I’m busting, nor genetic code that I’m engineering. Rather, it’s genocentric myths (as in genetic “code” as THE all-singing, all-dancing theory of life) that I’m busting. :-)

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DevilDog April 20, 2011 at 22:07

If it was Women killing themselves at the current rates there would be big conferences and billions of dollars involved to immediately put a stop to this. It’s funny, because Women don’t care. If they cared, they would’ve worked to solve the root problem that causes so many Men to end their own lives.

Tells you a lot about Women. Inherently selfish and fickle creatures. Now, I don’t think they’re actively evil, just actively incompetent. Clueless of their own idiocy.

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Ronin April 20, 2011 at 22:09

@ Tom Barry

“Men need to abandon women as their center of gravity. The way it is now, a man’s entire worth depends on how he serves women. Men don’t identify with their career as much as they do with the money they earn. It allows them to serve and please women. This does not benefit men, it benefits women and society. If men shifted their center of gravity from women to themselves, they would not be so burdened. Ask a woman what a “real” man does and she will tell you what she wants men to do for her. It’s not some lofty ideal. It’s manipulating you to serve her wants and desires”

Mr. Barry, there is a certain book entitled “The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar. It’s the red pill in book form.

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phil white April 21, 2011 at 04:08

“You don’t owe women or society anything.”

Master Barry : (Master because that’s what I was c alled when I was your emotional age) I do owe society something. I owe my existance to it.

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phil white April 21, 2011 at 04:10

Hey guys, I’m new here. What’s the red pill??

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phil white April 21, 2011 at 04:43

@ Code buster

“we become the cultural collective that shares in one understanding in how the world works. That’s what culture is. Refer to my link below, to Daniel Kahneman, for more on associationism.
3) Memes? Very good, oddsock. It was the high priest of genetic determinism, Richard Dawkins himself, who introduced the concept of memetics to explain how ideas spread throughout culture.”

It seems to me culture is a collection of tools that enable a tribal group to survive. The concept of a 12″ foot is a tool. It enables me to measure a piece of wood to a specification my neighbor wants me to cut it to for him.
Thus culture serves a particualr biological.
Also it seems ideas spread through a cultural group in the same way a new gene spreads through a biological group.
Genes spread because they enhance survival of the individual and the group.
Ideas spread because they enhance the survival of the individual and the group.
I think the spreading of ideas works by the same mathematical rules as does the spreading of genes, but ideas time constant is a lot shorter, that is they spread a lot faster than genes.
Cultural and biological groups usually over lap to a great extent. The culture of “The West” overlaps with the northwestern branch of the Caucasoid race.

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Common Monster April 21, 2011 at 07:31

One aspect of the suicide data which is telling is that before about age 10, boys and girls commit suicide at the same (very low) rate. It’s during adolescence and young adulthood that the rates differentiate themselves by sex, the male rate increasing much more rapidly than the female rate (though both go up by a lot). By ages 20-24 the male rate can be as high as 6 or 7 times the female rate, depending on the dataset and methodology. [This applies to other subsets as well - I know I've seen studies which show the male rate increases a factor of ten times, rather than just two, during divorce...] Even by age 14 the male rate can be double or more the female rate.

Neither the romantic relationship breakup idea nor the loss of male identity through job loss idea can explain what’s happening to cause suicide to start spiking among males at these young ages.

People should keep in mind it’s clear that whatever is happening is starting to happen well before breakups or unemployment could possibly have much if any influence. These might be proximate causes later in life, but the youth data point to something deeper about the constraints imposed by society specifically on males (along with the privileges granted only to females), which is starting to be grasped during the ages when suicide starts to show up on the radar screen, as being a more fundamental cause.

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Carnivore April 21, 2011 at 09:01

@phil white
“Hey guys, I’m new here. What’s the red pill??”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill

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crypter27 April 21, 2011 at 09:14

Another reason for high sucide rates in men is because the west has become a womens hypergamous playgroung,thus it leaves allot of men lonely.

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Jay Hammers April 21, 2011 at 09:35

Phil-

Feminism destroys society as it destroys the family.

Thanks largely but not solely to feminism, many young men have no reason to value creation of a family or society as a whole.

This will lead to a bursting of the “misandry bubble”. You can Google it. Whether this will be an all-out collapse or just a severe depression of sorts, I’m not sure.

Until this occurs, don’t expect young men to slave away for women and a society that hates them. Instead, many are dropping out.

After the collapse perhaps there will be a reason for men to participate again, but if we haven’t learned anything by then it will just happen all over again.

At this point, to encourage young men to marry and have kids is akin to having them walk the plank in the middle of the ocean and telling them to swim back to shore.

Just say no to Marriage 2.0! (You can Google that too.)

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crypter27 April 21, 2011 at 09:41

A guy once asked me what I’m going to have for dinner,I told him soup he said he’ll be having pussy & I thought to my self what an idiot,& how sad. That he measues his manhood by how much pussy he gets!

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) April 21, 2011 at 15:35

phil white April 20, 2011 at 10:10
“I’m not a lawyer but if I were you I’d consult one”

I would NEVER consult a lawyer. They are all scumbag criminals.

You might want to read the book written through me.

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Seamus the Classicist April 21, 2011 at 19:20

Yes, recent an aunt of mine lost a nephew to suicide. He killed himself after an ex-fiancee from years ago reappeared in his life, divorced with kids. He was 35 and wanting children of his own, a simple thing she denied him. I don’t condone his action as being a weak choice not fitting to men, but what other way does he have.

However me and mine are further along, we categorical reject women and feminized society. Lately I have considered taking myself and my education into a monastic type of lifestyle, because I am almost thirty, unemployed, and unable to start a family (as opposed to taking on a modern women and supporting HER.) This has lead me to look to the past when civilization collapsed before, to the dark ages when communities of celebaate men preserved the works of antiquity in monestaries.

I have found such an opportunity through an Irish Nationalist Catholic contact who knows of a start up community of Anchorite Monks (i.e. monks who live in a hermit style but take the sacraments together,) in England. They are seeking a Latinist to teach them the ancient Church Langauge. And I think I will take the ultimate MGTOW way.

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Chevy Chase April 21, 2011 at 20:35

@Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) April 21, 2011 at 15:35

Why would you publish that stuff with your ex wife’s details? I can see why she divorced you. You are nothing but a dirty lowlife coward hiding behind your keyboard in Germany and masquerading as a man. Hang your head in shame dude.

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Maal dweb April 22, 2011 at 15:34

@Seamus the Classicist

“They are seeking a Latinist to teach them the ancient Church Langauge. And I think I will take the ultimate MGTOW way.”

Monastic life can be hard but you will be able to dedicate yourself to your studies. More importantly you will free yourself from the cultural matrix feminists, neocommunists and liberals have created for us and destroys our lives and souls.

By the way there is an interesting book called How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization. The chapter on the immense cultural and technological contribution of the monasteries is available online for free http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/middleages/howthemonkssavedcivilization-ch3.pdf

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antichoice January 5, 2012 at 20:49

Join me in the “anti-choice” movement.
I’m not pro-life there are way too many people on this planet.
I’m anti-choice. I have no reproductive rights and until women stand up for my rights with the same ferocity I’ll fight them.

Make abortion illegal and charge women who have had them with murder. (if they can give retroactive immunity to the telco’s for illegally wiretapping millions of Americans phone calls then they can retroactively change the law that allows women to murder children)

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bca October 15, 2012 at 17:06

my ex wife verbally and physically tortured me for 5 yrs. when my 5 yo daughter told me about her affair i snapped and failed at commiting suicide. 6 months later i barely see my children, lost everthing in the divorce and am forced to work in the same place of employment where she makes a mockery of me. i am unable to find another job and mentally drained at this point. i feel hopeless see no end and have lost hope. i dont know what to do anymore. medication and counseling are not helping.

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Mansoob December 29, 2012 at 03:45

I totally agree with Dr. Augustine Kposowa from the University of California. One should be sincere to his/her life partner and be a cooperative. If a person is sincere and just think only about his partner,the life would be successful. One should not think about others.
This is what i wanted to say.Thanks

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diago February 18, 2013 at 01:36

Someone in my family committed suicide from a bad divorce. He was a policeman. He had a house, kids, everything. The wife literally took everything in court. I’m not saying it wasn’t his fault but she wouldn’t work with him at all after the fact. One night he got wasted and shot himself in his car on a bridge not even a mile from where I live. No one won. He had 2 girls both under the age of 10. Poor bastard.

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Bob March 5, 2013 at 22:01

As someone who will be commiting suicide soon, I think I know the real reasons guys do it. It is way off of what women think it is. If the last two guys on a desert island are Hitler and Ghandi 100% of all women would chose Hitler. Caring affectionate guys refuse to live in a world with such evil uncaring women any longer.

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Bob March 5, 2013 at 22:03

How many times do I have to type it before the webmaster accepts it? The reason I have to commit suicide (having to keep typing it brings it sooner) is that if the last 2 guys on a desert island are Hitler and Ghandi all 100% of women would chose Hitler. I refuse to live in a world where women are so cold, evil and unfeeling.

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PsychoEconomist March 13, 2013 at 09:49

Do a simple thing.Let men have the children, disappear, deny women the right to see them, ask woman to pay child support, and jail her if she does not. Women suicides increase

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Resist Stance April 13, 2013 at 04:18

Unfortunately, Phil White’s breakdown is near enough exactly how it is.. “Frankfurt School Style, Anti-White Cultural Marxism”..

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Resist Stance April 13, 2013 at 04:25

Bob March 5, 2013 at 22:03

Don’t do it Bob.. we’ll win the battle yet.. ;-)

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Daniel Smithson April 20, 2013 at 07:43

“There’s nothing worse than having an itch you can’t scratch. We are evolved, designed if you prefer, to seek the attention and approval of women. Men are reluctant to talk about this because we don’t like to admit our weakness, but women are the itch we can’t scratch. Women are not this way. They are the blossom, we are the bee.”

No. Not a good analogy. Study the behavior bees. They only allow male bees to inseminate for reproduction with the fat queen. Then the worker bees, all female, kill the male bees. This pretty much sums up gender behavior across species. Once a woman becomes fat, she hates to lose it, because, like the queen bee, she becomes the dominant female, and like bees, human females prefer other females. They love to hate men, wish they were dead or would go kill themselves, love to tell them no, which is their main joy on dating websites, but they’re afraid of men, which is why short women don’t prefer short men but instead prefer men taller than average, because they’re paranoid. I wonder why the suicide statistics don’t report the statistics with gender and height. I hypothesize that most male suicides are males of shorter stature. The main thing guys if your wife divorces you and takes the kids and lies to the courts about domestic violence so you cannot communicate with her or the kids such that you’re no longer their father except on their birth certificates is to remember that you succeeded in passing on your DNA to the future. You’re not a dead branch on the tree of life. And guys who haven’t become fathers yet, pray to God for a wife or a girlfriend to have babies with and keep trying. I did. I married a pregnant seventeen year old, took her to an abortion clinic and made five kids with her before she left me after twenty-three years of too much sex, then my three of my four daughters became adolescents and turned their mother against their father, and together they chased me away. I’m only 5′ 4.75″ and if I can do it so can you. Darwin was right; only the strong survive. Make the bitch have babies. She’ll love you, at least temporarily, for doing it. The whole thing about life is more life, so make babies and don’t be disheartened if she spurns you. Keep trying and try some holy magic, prayer. But just keep trying to make more babies. That’s why your given the ability to make sperm years after women become sterile. More power to you! To hell with the old woman and being her friend, go for the younger ones that can make healthy babies. It’s not over ’til the fat lady sings. That’s what she does at child birth delivery. Ouch!

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The Winner August 3, 2013 at 16:58

Hello! Well, recently divorce and attempted suicide once. Wow! The thoughts of suicide have faded in the past, but they are back again. Hard to imagine it at this point in my life. From what I can understand about the suicidal thoughts is that I am no longer in my kids lives. Three beautiful daughters. Divorce has sent me on a spiral downward. I have many days of feeling worthless to the world including my children. Being divorced from a sociopath is somewhat of a relief. The article above indicates that it is about the woman in the relationship. This is exactly what I had experienced in 10 years of marriage. Oh well, what the hell can you do.

On another note, if I do commit suicide in the future…it is not about the divorce…it is about the lost contact and time that I had in the past with my kids. With that time reduced to 12 percent of a year…I am at a loss. Paying exorbitant amounts of child support to my ex wife of whom her parents are in fact millionaires…they support her in her new business startup. Me…left with 60 plus thousand in debt and a menial job that pays very little. How in the hell can I picture a life on the street dealing with this type of situation? One may say…”Oh, everything will work out for the better” or “All will be good in the future” or “WOW! I cannot believe that you are even hanging on!” Well, the latter is the truth. Hanging on by a thread of absolute loneliness.

It has been about 1 year since the divorce started and ended recently in July of 2013. I have met a few women, but all have baggage and some are really screwed up including that of the ex wife. lol. Anyway, I am a traditional type of guy who lost a great job in 2009 and I have since to return to my profession. Who the heck is going to hire a man that is in his mid 40s and has been out of the field he once worked in for over 4 years. You got it…not many organizations will take the risk.

I am a risk to no one but myself in this world. The demons come out in many ways and my brain is so conditioned to side with the post traumatic stress as a result of divorce. The stress of trying to live like a friggen robot…walking the earth with absolutely no purpose…with an ex wife that does not even have my kids call me and when I try…I get nothing on the other end…and no return call. With a marriage that had no fighting, abuse, or anything that will provide for a complete picture of the problem…I am at a loss. I am past the emotional side of this. Just tired of being assaulted by my emotions of saying good bye to my kids…moving to a different state and trying to start a new life without the guilt and shame that follows.

My kids have changed. My eldest shows signs of depression. My 6 year old doesn’t listen anymore and my 5 year old is ok. The 5 year old is too young to know what is going on. I have been pushing my kids out of my life for a few months now due to the fact that I have to work to pay rent and my bills. I only see them about once in every 2 months. The gap has widened. I will leave behind some beautiful little girls. I have no parents left…2 siblings that have lives outside of dealing with a divorced man.

Overall, divorce is the worst thing that I have ever dealt with outside of my mother being murdered when I was 1 year of age. With a divorce that had all the excuses from a woman to quit and run on with absolute selfishness is pretty much an ass in so many ways. I am better off without such a POS woman, but to be involved with this person through children is such a waste of a good man’s time. I have told my story to so many men and women and the women especially cannot understand why a man like myself had to go through such emotional turmoil. Women that I have met run away for they are confused. Such a good man put to the streets in July of 2012 of who had no job and was a stay at home father. It all comes down to the father of the child…a woman that lacked communication skills to foster a good marriage. A woman that reduced a man to nothing…I rode in the trunk for many years…lol…a woman that put me down in front of her friends and family…a woman that is so self centered and enjoys nothing in life but herself…and a woman that had all the elements to steal my kids away from me due to my upcoming financial woes.

Well, if I do decide to commit suicide…I will be at peace. I will save my kids the emotional turmoil of seeing a father of whom is so disconnected and of who has become nothing but a disney land dad. Sorry, disney land fatherhood is not for me. Never was. I was a good dad and took care of my kids the best that I knew how.

So, with my eldest daughter dealing with depression and with her serving her dad when I see her. My middle daughter now looks at me with evil eyes. Eyes that I have never seen before. My youngest never wants to be with her Dad. She only waits until the weekend is over to see her mom again. I am done with my kids. The days are over and abandonment is not a choice that I wanted, but with the court system that plays to the role of the woman and places exorbitant pressure on a man that cannot take care of himself…the court system has created nothing but a deadbeat dad.

When the money runs out…I will run out. I will not live on the street. I will not end up in prison…I will not live like this. Walking the earth as a dead man that I am today. To rise up from the ashes of divorce and a childhood of hell. I am tired. Spent and above all dead to society.

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Kell-meister November 30, 2013 at 04:09

My ex wife has moved my kids a 5 hour commute from me, quit her job to go back to university for yet another degree, has hounded me in the courts and used state agencies to bring me to the brink of bankruptcy and suicide. But that’s OK because not only is it legal, it’s based on the advice she has been given by her solicitors! Wow! Imagine the consequences if I chose to refuse to work, went back to school and basically kidnapped my children. Then these fools wonder why men consider suicide. What do I have left to live for when she has, aided and abetted by the state, taken everything I love and care about and subjected me to a life of slavery?
My choices are as follows:
Submit and try to make more that I have to pay and slowly rebuild my life. This is the usual route for men in my position as there is the possibility of having a meaningful relationship with your kids in the future.
Give up and jump in front of a train (and be another meaningless statistic that is buried hastily by the state and corrupt judiciary).

Refuse to comply and go to jail whilst being ladled a deadbeat-dad.

Go postal and hope to bring some attention to the matter in the media, though we all know that the media will use it as evidence that you’re the monster, not the system that left you with very few other alternatives. Wow, what a legacy to leave behind for your kids.

Leave the UK and move somewhere where it is hard to find you and extradite you. If you have an online business this can work well, but if you’re a wage slave, you’re stuffed.

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