Law student Jay Batman has recently challenged the readers of the “anti-authoritarian” blog Gonzo Times in a ballsy debate about feminism. He calls himself an “anarcho-misogynist” in this seminal essay:
Why I am an Anarcho-Misogynist
His posts and defenses contain some of the most lucid and inspired writing on contemporary gender conflict I’ve seen this year. Many of his co-authors and readers seem to be white-knighting him and regurgitating a lot of the received and unquestioned feminist ideology that is a given on the radical left. Jay Batman identifies as a libertarian, and as a lot of Spearhead readers seem to be libertarian to some degree, I think you’ll find a lot to like.
Further, as still more readers—myself occasionally included—tend to take a “break the system and start over” approach to what appears to be Western decline, his interactions with left-anarchists will be educational. One follow up comment I found particularly interesting was this one, by the site’s editor PunkJohnnyCash (who has a real spiffy moniker and avatar that I approve of):
I made a post back in October asking why it seemed our ranks are full of mostly white males.
Comically, this is also a frequent topic of discussion on the far right. The simple answer is that the immediate interests of women–at least as most women perceive them–are being served by the status quo. Women were radical when they wanted radical change for themselves, but women pretty much got what they wanted. Most companies have anti-discrimination policies and females make up more than 50% of the work force. In fact, aside from a relative handful of ideological purists, women from Hanna Rosin to Oprah Winfrey are declaring victory everywhere. Rosie the riveter has come a long way, baby.
The popular complaints from feminists these days are that men aren’t providing them with enough support, that men aren’t committing fast enough, that men spend too long in “guyland” or that their men cook too well, or that their men have become “kitchen bitches.” It is now men who are falling behind in many ways, and men on the far left seem to have trouble keeping up to date with their feminism. They’re rushing to the defense of women who make more money than they do, using scripts that haven’t changed since the 1970s. While I’m sure the anarchist left probably attracts more female participants than the radical right, it seems like they still feel like women aren’t as interested.
Fewer women are interested in bringing down the system because more women like things just the way they are. They believe they have more to gain from a big government (free or affordable healthcare, entitlement programs, cheap and easy access to birth control and abortions and the means to force men to provide for their offspring through child support or welfare) than they do from toppling a state that offers security and promises them the opportunity to enjoy a nearly unprecedented quality of life. The glass ceiling doesn’t much matter to everyday women with average IQs. The average woman is living higher on the hog in the postmodern, globalist, feminist, multiculturalist West than she ever has. The chaos of revolution puts all of that in jeopardy.
You say you want a revolution…
Yeah…well, women don’t.
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Below are links to the ongoing discussion.
The intent here is not to send a bunch of Spearhead readers to harass the readers of Gonzo Times. In fact, my personal preference is that they work through their own debate without some kind of external ideological conflict stoking the fire and putting everyone on the defensive. I just wanted to draw attention to this development and to Jay Batman’s highly quotable writing. If anything, write him to show your support. He’s obviously a smart guy, and not just because I generally agree with him.
On Gonzo Times
Why I am an Anarcho-Misogynist —by Jay Batman
Less Anarcho, More Misogynist—by ScottF
The Smell of Condescension in the Morning: A Response to Less Anarcho, More Misogynist – by Jay Batman
Less Anarcho, More Creepy—by Mopowell
On The Recent Gender Dispute —by PunkJohnnyCash
Takedown of an Anarcho-Misogynist—by Jad Davis
On JayBatman’s blog, Screed of Momus
Anarcho-Leftists and Echo Chambers: Thoughts on Gonzo Times
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Of course women do not want to “bite the hand that feeds them”….
and the white-knighters defending such entitlement that strips money and resources from men will always be there to try and knock MRM guys out of the argument~Mike Huckabee comes to mind~
One more reason I look forward to the theatrical release of
ATLAS SHRUGGED next month….a story that needs to be trumpted.
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The reason women are trumpeting on about men not marrying them and being perpetual manchildren in guyland is because they either conciously or unconciously know that our current dynamic is unsustainable. To simply pay off the US debt as it stands would cost 2x as much per household of what the current household earns. If we were to pay it off now, according to the numbers I have seen, each household would have to pay 80k and the average american household only brings in about 42k per year….so????
I know many in the manosphere want to clean up our image and language and what not but I think we need to go the other direction. How can anyone look, with a clear head or even a drunk one, at our current situation and not see female stereotypes play out. Women gain control of the purse and now we are in debt to our eyeballs. It is comical. It really is.
As a country we have given the credit cards to our shop-a-holic wives and said “yes dear” and I am getting fuckin pissed.
The baby boomers and their feminism are literally trying to destroy us.
Let’s put this into perspective. Women got the vote in the early 1900s. They immediately start drinking and partying and free loving it with the flapper girls…or about half did. The other half of the women liked their freedom but didn’t like their husbands having access to booze and free pussy and they started the temperance movement while all the women, and many men, spent us into a depression. The government grew and crime spread. The more crime spread, the more women got fearful and voted and demanded more protection from the government instead of their husbands.
Then, to get us out of debt we went into ww1 and ww2…although mostly ww2 because ww1 was due to other countries and their female/feminist driven socialism and so was ww2. Germany was ahead of the bell curve on feminism and this is what started much of ww2.
So, while men are dying in the pacific and western fronts women got jobs and got to fuck all the men they wanted. Then, the men came back and fucked their wives and created a baby boom. Those same boomers looked towards their mothers example and took it even further. Now, the boomers had half as many children as their parents and have ramped up costs to higher levels than their parents while their parents live longer and so do the baby boomers.
It is really fucked up how the boomers sold out their own children for their eat, pray fuck ego fest fantasies…or the women did…the men sold out their sons for some strange. Now gen y has to listen to boomers talk about how we are lazy and what not but at the same time I had 2x or 3x more life experiences than my parents did by the time I was 18. My mom and dad didn’t have a knife put to their throat in 5th grade…but I did by some punk of a single mom who was trying to figure out how to be a man.
So women of my generation want us men to grow up, along with boomers, so we can work to death as slaves to pay off the debt of their spending and healthcare…wtf. Fuck that, I would rather play video games until the power goes out or the city is on fire. I haven’t even mentioned obamacare and how 20 yr old guys will pay a higher price for it than 20 yr old gals and even 50 yr old boomers…do they really think this is gonna work? Do they really think they can put the burden on young men and not young women and expect the young men that they have treated like shit our entire lives to pull the weight for women our own age and our mothers age???????
I guess the good thing about this all is that men will wake up sooner or later and when they do they will learn what women really are….not what women say they are. Women see men as beasts of burden, sperm donors, walking wallets, human shields and cannon fodder, status objects, emotional tampons/rent-a-psychologists and tools and so on. The evidence is all around us, all you have to do is open your eyes and look and ask yourself this, “are you going to believe what women tell you or what you see with your own eyes?” They won’t be the same thing, that is for sure.
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I have read recently (i think it was David brooks new book), that the current generation of American taxpayers have in effect “sold their childrens futures into financial slavery overseas”, to a degree that surpasses all prior generations of Americans.
Its not Even a left or right issue anymore…Democrats have been “buying middle class white womens votes” for years with more and more bloated pork-ocracies. Basically one can coin the campaign “Pork for Votes”.
And this countries???right????; have let perversion, irresponsibility, and wanton criminal greed Run Amok and unchallenged.
The pork-ocracy , and the “construction” that framed the American pork-oracry is collapsing..
Half the problem with American law enforcement is they too want federal pork dollars…and will do nearly anything to secure it.
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And…don’t forget the “Saps” (men who aren’t white-knighters but epic-fail to see the cards stacked against them) They are just as much a difficulty for us if not moreso. *Case in point: My buddy Johnson has gone thru two divorces in the past 8 years and both wives utterly SPONGED his $130,000 per year income dividends, three houses, and retirement accounts in the divorces which he had to get a loan from his parents to get one ex-wife off the house mortgage before she bankrupted him in court subpeonas to make him get her off the loan….after which Johnson incessantly trolls dating websites for his next “one and only” (because he cannot stand to be without a girlfriend for even a week~ i.e. co-dependency) and after all he’s been thru and the financial ruin he’s met at the hands of two ex-wives in less than a decade the geek remarked to me: “I like women better than you do and I need one with me !” as well as my favorite line of his: “I’m a p*ssy-getting motherf**ker!” (yeah, a hooker wouldve been a hell of alot cheaper, pal) After being soaked by his two ex-wenches, three houses he financed for them, retirement accounts GONE and $130,00 a year shelled via income-redistribution to his ex’s…..boy has alot of nerve saying such a thing doesn’t he? And that’s the rub…men like this are as bad as white-knighters because they are slaves to the very women who abuse them.
SAPS are sapping America just as much.
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*Urban Dictionary definition of SAP >
A fool; someone who is prone to being taken advantage of, or who has been taken advantage of, usually in a situation that is easily perceived by others as foolhardy.
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It’s long been understood that civilization is a constant struggle to balance security and freedom. With women generally favoring more security and men more freedom.
Our overlords realize that women will happily trade a man’s freedoms, for their own sense of security. Women are never revolutionary. The “feminist” movement, like the larger “Civil Rights” movement, it is a part of, has been, and will continue to be, completely scripted by our overlords. Read Drue Lackey’s book, Another View of the Civil Rights Movement for more on that.
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scot makes a very good point about the middle class white women selling their votes to the Democrats, but it actually goes much deeper than that; a good friend of mine once said that the unproductive people in this country- those who do not work and live off of the largesse of those who do work- have only 1 thing of any value and that is their vote. So the politicians cater to the parasites in hopes of getting from them the only thing of value they have- their vote. And then we end up with these bloated entitlement programs like Obamacare, and those who produce are told “well we have to make sacrifices” while the parasites continue to live large (with no consequences) and the only sacrifice they make is that of their vote. I hope Ken is right, and that the theatrical production of Atlas Shrugged is not so watered down that its message reaches more people (and that more people realize what is happening) before it is too late.
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Thanks for linking to this Jack. Batman has easy prose and writes quite well. As a religious fundie and patriarchalist, I disagree with some of what he writes, but as a minarchist libertarian, what he proposes is quite appealing in many aspects.
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Hehehe… this is now one of my favourite quotations on this site.
I’ve always understood women’s suffrage in the following way: the rise of industrialization in the 19th century coincided with the creation of industrial-scale alcohol production. The masses of hard working men were being so ground down in factories, so worn out from their work, that they felt life had little to offer them besides work and early death. It was a pretty crappy deal for them. So they would rather drink at the end of a shift rather than bring home the money to their families, who had to go hungry.
Feminism was born as the early temperance movements, which morphed into women’s suffrage movements as women needed the vote to push temperance through. Feminism was from the beginning a movement to make sure women extracted resources from men – in this case, because the men were pissing it away. The main difference from today is that early feminism still gave men something in return: marriages and families. Or, more correctly, early feminists still believed marriage and families were the optimal method of extracting resources from men.
As an aside, this is why I think PMAFT’s characterization of Palin and Sommers and Shlaffy and the rest as feminists is correct. They are simply 1st wave feminists. By contrast, todays feminists main tools of resource extraction from men are police batons and wage garnishment, with a side of shaming language, and nothing in return for the men’s troubles.
Anyway, the death of a large chunk of the West’s men in WW1 allowed most countries to push through women’s suffrage, and right on its’ heels, prohibition. The flappers were the masses of young women who had to hypercompete sexually for the few men left. Most gave up on marriage, and went c**k crazy like the cougars of today after their Wile E. Coyote moment.
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“White Guy” is the new “Black”.
And you know what?
I’m tired of getting hassled by “The Man”!
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Wrt “kitchen bitches”…
They complain we don’t cook.
We buck up, put on a chef’s hat, and kick ass at cooking.
Then they complain that we’re cooking too well.
What. The. Hell. This is proof they don’t know what they want. Guys, tell them what they need.
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Who gives a fuck what the wimminz want, or think, or feel?
Pandering to these cunts is like those skank mummies who offer a fucking 6 year old a fucking menu with 6 fucking choices from breakfast, and do the same thing to the next kid, and the next, and end up nuking three different meals, and then wondering why the fucking kids are out of control.
What the wimminz NEED is to be kicked back into the gutter, use of your cunt and you cleaning skills is worth a day under a man’s roof.
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Troll King: “Women see men as beasts of burden, sperm donors, walking wallets, human shields and cannon fodder, status objects, emotional tampons/rent-a-psychologists and tools and so on.”
When are you finishing your book? I’ll take a hardcover.
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Ofcourse women don’t want a revolution…they are winning.
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/03/24/modern-men-and-suicide/
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Get used to it, empowered women. You made it clear you didn’t need men and we are finally listening and going our own way. Fend for yourselves, men are done providing/supporting you!
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Feminists don’t need a new revolution; they’re already in the midst of one. They’re already in the middle of taking over everything; colleges, companies, households, the government. On paper, women are looking pretty good.
The problem lies with the fact that while outwardly women are moving on up, inwardly their minds are still those of women. They’re emotional and dependent. So while they’re becoming more and more independent, aggressive, sexual, and overpowering in the outside world, they’re still having conflicting thoughts of home, husbands, and babies on the inside. And they want to have everything both ways; they want to make more money but have a man pay for everything, they want to have children but have someone else take care of them, they want to get married *now* but want “mature” men who will be slaves to their every whim.
Realizing that it is impossible to have it both ways makes feminists angry. Thus, they begin to complain about anything and everything. Men are stronger, boohoo. Men cook better, boohoo. Men won’t commit, boohoo. Men don’t respect us, boohoo. They’re creating their own problems, and then whining about them.
Feminists spout these ideals of “equality” but in fact, they want anything but. They want themselves to be above men. And then when they find that it is lonely at the top, they get pissy and upset.
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Alcuin….I am working on it..I keep having set backs. I am looking to setting up my own webiste and server and when I do that I will publish it.
I am also working on other books that aren’t MRM related. One about my grandfather and the draft and ww2 and concentration camps. Another is more existential and focuses on philosophy and various arguments made into characters….I even wrote a great feminist character that talks about phallic nature and then rants on about mother earth and how we need to band together in a commune for the benefit of mother earth and moon and community prosperity….the main character then goes on a rant about how everything in nature is phallic, and talks about trees and grass pedals and particles and just puts her in her place but the book isn’t so much about feminism or politics but instead about philosophy…for example, there is a gambler called pascal and he gambles with not his life but all life and even more with the souls and their destination….pascals argument…get it.
If you don’t know, pascals argument goes like this….you are a gambler and you gambe whether or not god exists…it is 50/50 and then broken down based on whether or not you can win. You don’t win anything if you lose or are correct, that is if you are a athiest. If you gamble that god doesn’t exist and then win…what do you really win? You cease to exist. If you gamble that god does exist and win, what do you gain? Do you gain a old testament god? A god of wrath or a god of peace and love?
I am still trying to figure out whether or not I want the main character to be a kant or a descartes or a wittenstein or….maybe a socrates, now that I have put it off for so long I might make it into a shopenhaur type character or maybe a combination of all of the above…still not sure…I need to work on it.
I have been thinking much more lately about my other books that I want to write. I swear I am going to write a book called, “every feminist argument evar” and it will probably be the easiest of them to write. I was just reading something by manboobz and he used the….women are just bitches that are lazy and sit around eating bon bons….first, what the fuck is a bon bon? Really? I am not sure I even know. It is some kind of chocolate right? What I don’t understand and find kinda frightening about feminists is that they don’t change their arguments one bit. They could atleast switch it up and use reeses pieces or m&ms or something….????
I do need to work on them more….I tend to be kinda ADD. I get distracted too easily and I yearn for info and the internet just provides too much. It is kinda too much overload on a mental level. It gets a little addictive. But I think I will work on this today…I don’t have much else to do but look for a job and try to scrounge up some money.
I also want to write one on hypergamy and female nature and I haven’t really written anything on it but I have studied even more and it is just scary. Everywhere I look I see hypergamy manifest in female actions and………….well, it is just demoralizing in so many ways.
I got into a conversation with a physicist engineer the other day, my brother to be specific, and he was complaining about how he doesn’t really know anything about anything other than what he has read in books. My problem, and I really realized it in the conversation, is that I am the opposite. I am not good with dates like he is when we talk about history. I have a little more problems with details and working through problems and I realized something. I realized that I yearn to UNDERSTAND something instead of simply regurgitating it or gaining knowledge through memorization.
OT, off topic….I am watching or listening to the news right now and they are reporting that this has been the most violent or worse decade for police in history. They are talking about how it doesn’t have anything to do with crime because crime is down but crime against cops is up….geee, wonder why???? The police state can’t exist forever and especially can’t exist at its levels forever without ending up like the middle east….look at the middle east. Times are a changin.
Anyways, I think I will work on my books today. Maybe atleast get a pdf version of a short book out in the next couple of days. I have been wanting to write about several things but stopped my blog because it got deleted and I got paranoid but fuck google. I think I will go to wordpress for the time being.
One thing lately, I have just been spending a shit ton of time with my grandma. She is a lady like they don’t make anymore. She, unlike my feminist mother, actually raised me and fed me and she has dementia today and that just fuckin sucks ass. I went to take her to church last weekend and I thought she was having a heart attack and had to deal with EMTs. who were almost all male and awesome with how they acted, and then had to deal with doctors and tests and have spent the last week watching over her cause my mom and aunt are a little too lazy. The good thing is that it is fascinating to just look at the differences between generations. I especially noticed this at a recent funeral where a family member who was 90+ died and she was a feminist in every sense of the word and she only had one kid and he was grown and moved out and had one kid who had moved out and all the family members there that I hadn’t seen in 10 yrs or so, since I was a kid, were mostly divorced or childless or not speaking to each other. It is weird to look around at different families and realize that my arab friends have 80 3rd degree family member show up at gathering while I have 5.
One of the things that really strikes me about my grandma is what annoys the fuck out of me at the same time. She grew up during the 1920s and she is too damn stoic. I know she is in pain but when I ask she won’t admit it. When I try to help, she claims she doesn’t need help…wtf. This is a woman of values and strength and so much more and just looking at her and comparing and constrasting her with modern women makes me realize so clearly how fucked modern women really are….they are just so fucked up in so many ways. I should make a list or something.
But anyways, sorry for the rant and I will finish up my books soon…hopefully. When I do, I will send you a hardcover or a soft cover or atleast a link with a password.
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You can’t treat feminism as a separate entity from racial equality or multiculturalism. They were all hand-crafted to destroy white males. The people supporting each movement are the symptoms, the tools, NOT the disease itself or the purpose. The method of the enemy is the same across each front in the war. As long as democracy is the rule, and females and nonwhites have votes, White males will continue to decline toward oblivion. There is nothing you can do about it within the system; they will not stop until the back of the Great White Male is broken, and his body is rotted through with worms and creeping buggers, and his soul is overcome by whatever vices he crawls to for respite before the abyss.
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Oh there’s a revolution coming but not from most of us. Just look to Europe and how the Muslims treat western women. Or better yet, how they rape them because as one Lebanese politico said, women sleep with 10,000 men and their kids don’t know who there fathers are. But sexually liberated women are nothing more than sex objects and you know what, the Muslims are just giving them what they’ve become.
Viva la revolution.
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I especially liked his comments on pregnancy and the unequal responsibility forced on men simply by a woman’s choice.
Great article.
Of course women don;t want a revolution, even those women who loudly proclaim they are not feminist sure use every advantage they have been given to the detriment of a male every time it is needed to boost their living standards.
It is past time to “Go Galt” withdraw take a minimal job, play your video games and prepare yourself. Remove any and all verification you can from the system. I know I often fail at withdrawing completely but I keep trying.
Eventually they are going to bring the whole thing crashing down on themselves.
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Good post, I’ve read some of the comment thread and it is enlightening.
Women seem to get very angry when the tenets and natural results of Anarchy are applied to male-female relations.
It’s all good until it personally affects them they instantly morph in angry matriarchal statist cheerleaders without a hint of irony or introspection.
Good, it’s refreshing to see blatantly “outed” hypocrisy once in a while.
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I haven’t read atlas shrugged but one thing I know is what I have seen. The worst thing for men, and probably to a lesser degree women, is to be lazy.
If you don’t have to work and even worse if your ability to work is taken from you then that is just horrible. It is demoralizing. I know it is a cliche but the greates thing about work isn’t what you do but instead is knowing you did a job well done. I have dated girls, and in HS so many of my friends came from these types of families and I have seen it in my own, whose families were 3rd or 4th generation welfare….meaning that no on in their family had had a job in that many years but instead collected benefits.
Working in a grocery store I saw the scammers all the time. They would pay for the allowed food with food stamps and then pull out wads of money and use it for beer and smokes and junk food(nothing wrong with any of that in my opinion except that I shouldn’t have to pay for it with taxes) and they usually had thousands of dollars in tats (a sleave costs hundreds if not 1k minimum and again, I have nothing against tats) and their kids were always filthy and malnourished looking.
Unlike a lot of the guys here, I don’t have kids and I am not divorced. I simply realize that you need certain things to survive. You need, water, shelter, and food in that order. 500$ in body art shouldn’t ever come before the food for your child or even your dog…that is just fucked up.
I know that some of these people had literally thousands in tats…probably 5k$ in many cases but their kids were under weight and dirty and they were on food stamps and sliding their state granted debit card.
That being said, it is completely possible that some of those folks were former tattoo artists who were out of work or close their business and needed the help. That is the problem with these arguments. We don’t have a metric that we can use to differentiate between the very real freeloaders and those who simply need help. On one hand, I am reminded of a saying that relates to being taken advantage of by a “homeless” bum or false beggar….how do you know if they aren’t taking advantage of you? If they need it so much then I would rather not need the good will…or to put it another way…If they need that 2$ so bad, well I could use something more valuable in the afterlife…and I don’t need those 2$ that bad but they might need someting more valuable in the after life.
I think one of the main problems we all have is that our generousity is taken advantage of. I don’t mind giving a homeless guy some food or money or buying him some food or even giving him some change even if I know he is going to use it for drugs. My problems has always been that they tend to prey on people and even more they lie. I remember one guy telling me about how he just needed a few more bucks so he could get his kid or grandma or mom out of the hospital…I kept running into him and he always used the same technique but had a slightly different story….I am not stupid. The hospital doesn’t kidnap your kids/family and make you pay to get them out. If anything they kick you out for not paying. Guys that tell me shit like that piss me off….and come to think about it, that is basically the state of mind of 90% of the women out there, especially the feminists.
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The women involved in the Tea Party movement (95% older, white, middle-class, married) seem to understand the spending and debt problem. Younger, single, multi-culty,…think we should just tax corporations and the rich more.
Atlas Shrugged the movie (out 4/15) is going to be a trilogy and there are no Hollywood stars participating, all unknowns, and privately financed. Doesn’t fit the narrative in those circles. You can bet the reviews will be horrible if there are any at all.
http://www.atlasshruggedpart1.com/?gclid=CJ378YCO6qcCFSVa7AodojDPaA
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I very much disagree with what I see here.
If you really want the return of Western Civilization, the task is simple, but not easy. It has nothing to do with women, or black men, or asian men, or mexican men. None of those groups have the ken to do what my group can.
Civilization and progress will return when the white male realizes something. Our sense of group identity, racial identity has been stripped away. We have become bits of yeast in the ferment, flecks of dust floating aimlessly around the cosmos. No direction, no ideas, no morals. Empty.
The great problem is a spirtitual problem: What does it mean to be a white man? What is my place in the Universe? What is the meaning of my past? How should I relate to other white men?
A new mode of thinking is needed. A manifest destiny, an enancipation proclaimation. I do not believe that we are leaves rushing about in the stream, with no purpose, no reason, no tie to the other white men in the world.
This is the issue. Women will fall into line after the men, as always. There is no need to fight feminism. What the other races do is not my concern, as long as they don’t harm mine. I don’t hate, or even care what they do.
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On the cooking thing:
I think men generally have a strategy of either do it well (mastery), or do it quickly (with minimum fuss). The entry of men into the kitchen marks a change from a minimum fuss to a mastery strategy regarding eating.
You can see a change from do-it-well to do-it-quickly strategy with finding a partner. Marriage 1.0 rewarded men that did it well (provide income etc.) while marriage 2.0 rewards men that take the efficiency strategy (“guyland”).
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Too bad blacks, Mexicans, Hispanics, Red China and Muslims aren’t for humanism.
But, you still get to keep your A+ in fantastical thinking.
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@Jay
Maybe you love this guy’s “quotability”
because he writes so many words.
Bound to be a good passage
in there somewhere…
Hot debate. What do you think?
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@Keyster,
Are you Canadian?
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I understand the frustrations expressed by today’s young men.
The “men” of my generation have really screwed things up big time.
But the damage is done now and we have to make do with what we have got.
Women don’t want a revolution? Ha! How nice!
They will have the revolution shoved down their throats just the same.
Men’s anger reminds me of the megavolcano at Yellowstone: the more it will take for men to revolt, the harder it will be contain them.
I have much more faith in the younger generation of men than in my own.
I fully agree that what we need is a revolution, an uprise.
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Isn’t the word left-anarchist itself an oxymoron?
It seems to take a lot of cognitive dissonance to maintain that position.
The human mind is certainly amazing.
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Off Topic.
Look at this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12771938
These feminists want total control…over everything.
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I do like the discussion.
Sadly, since it’s on an “anti-authoritarian”, libertarian, and mostly white site, Jay Bateman is going to lose the debate unless he can also pull in the definition of ‘alpha male’ in particular and the whole HBD thing in general. (Know Game and you can still be pulled under by charges of racism. Know HBD and you can still be pulled under by charges of anti-feminism. Know both and you can predict and stop the attacks hiding in the clouds of PC-bullshit long before they arrive. The intimidation and confusion this causes in those who would attack you are wonderful to observe.)
Send him support, in the language of the site’s anti-authoritarianism! Send him Jung’s essay on how the practices of the slaves filtered up to their masters! Send him Roissy’s best posts! Send him the most subversive Steve Sailer quotations you can find! We who have accumulated the wisdom of the centuries can not afford to keep it from the battlegrounds of the budding intellectuals of the future! Let them not backslide into the false consciousness of their academy!
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@Ken
Absolutely! Saps are the worst. I guess some guys will never learn.
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Women won’t stop or do anything righteous until western men end up like Russian men after communism and feminism, broken, tired, hopeless, reckless, uncooperative and inflicted with alcoholism, at that point instead of helping their men, they’ll just whore themselves out to the men of the current superpower. Women don’t fight for righteous causes or revolutions, they standby and wait for a winner.
Women don’t matter in revolutionary matters, they’re insignificant and are only a liability.
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Rebel. I always like your comments and I didn’t mean you in my comment. I really didn’t. Infact, any man reading the spearhead who is of the boomer generation isn’t the enemy or culpible in my opinion.
I grew up with feminist parents. Before I knew what sociobiology or evolutionary biology was I heard my dad call my mom, on a regular basis, the alpha or alpha mom or alpha female of the family….think about that for a moment. I sure have. He still refers to her as the alpha dog of the house.
Now, I look at my past gfs and I realize that a few were good but most were dominating and abusive and controlling and doesn’t that encompass most women….????
I kmow it does if we go by feminist definitions of abuse, and I don’ t agree with most of those definitions. Yelling at someone for cheating on you isn’t emotional or psychological abuse but is instead social manipulation and control….which could still be considered abuse..IDK…I don’t know…
What I do know is that I have had to deal with having my mind deconstructed because to do other wise would mean I would become a “patriarchal oppressor.”…or something.
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No they don’t want a revolution. People who are comfortable rarely want things to change even if there is room for it. Unfortunately for these status quoists there are a lot of people, mostly men, who aren’t happy with the current state of things. And that will lead to self-interested steps like taking your assets off shore and otherwise removing the proverbial shackles that the state uses to control you. I don’t care one way or the other if there is a revolution. I’m looking out for myself. The first step is contributing nothing to women. The state can suck on that for a while. The gravy train has stopped with this guy.
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“@Keyster,
Are you Canadian?”
No.
I’m a Constitution thumping US citizen.
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Stop apologizing all over yourself and wearing Mangina like a crown.
Get UP off your knees, be a man – then show all these young men you have “wronged” how to avoid the mistakes you made. THAT will make up for your abrogation of duty more than any simpering apology.
Enough.
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HBD??? Really guys??? Does this mean Human Bio Diversity????
If it does then well, guys…Grow the Fuck Up…GFU.
HBD is thinly veiled racism but I do get it. Humans are herd based animals and we all need markers of reference. This is why we side with our own. We instinctually are drawn to others like us…birds of a feather flock toghether…
Human Bio Diversity arguments are the same as creationism and intelligent design. I kinda like the ID or Intelligent Design arguments but still.
I understand that HBD comes about through playing, “let’s you and him fight” from a female perspective. It is the same tactic or strategy they use with PCism or the whole civil rights debate(to put it into republican/conservative debates)….feminists uphold and propagate concepts that divide men on racial lines and then they use racially based arguments to prove inequality/inequity.
Race/ethnicity is determined on just a few small genes. The amount of melanin in your skin is literally determined within a few small genes and those genes don’t mean shit compared to the androgen and chromosomal differences found between men and women. The hundreds of different of types of testosterone found in men and males and also progesterone and so many other androgens that we are barely beginning to understand, these create the diffeerences between the sexes….not a few genes that determine my eye shape or my skin shade.
Now to be fair, there are differences between women on the basis of race just like there are between men…but not all black men are tall and not all white men are short..same with asians and hispanics or arabs and so on.
Populations evolve, not peoples. One thing that always amazed me was that when I lived in Egypt I could tell the difference between coptic christians and muslims due to their facial structures and skin color…this had to due with them intermarrying and the social customs that revolved around shame based on marrying outside of ones own group.
If you talk to a black dude about white guys he will tell you that all whites look alike…or wil joke about it…the same is true about whites lookin at blacks, asians, arabs, indians, etc…..
The same tihng is true from their perspetive. ….I have seen Koreans talk about how whites all look the same…and arabs too.
The real thing men need to do is not fall for the feminized herd mentality. We need to unite on the basis of our Y chromosome. To this degree, let me say this: I have more in common with a black man, a arab man, a asian man, a hispanic man, a gay man, a indian man, a native american man, a british man, a portugese man, a eskimo man, and a smurf man….this is due to chromosomes and androgens and genes….Not skin color…Not long ago there was a african guy who was on the John Stewart show and he was ther because he is a genius and he helped his community, he went from scratch and created a amazing system that helped his people….he remarked on stewarts show about google and how he really wished he had known about it and how it would have helped him….my only point is that we could all have been born romans or tribesman.
Us western men have the internet and we have a obligation to use it to its end, it will help us and other in the short and long run and why not??? It has nothing to do with race but more to do with environment and scarcity. I talk a lot of shit but the truth is that I don’t really want to see America burn, I would rather see all the white women get deported…….along with all other feminists. Then men will truly be FREE!
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@ Dave in NYC
Your friend is very astute. The struggle in society over resources does not only involve those who produce it.
One reason feminists have a harder go at it in the US vs. Western Europe where there is cradle to grave welfare is that we do not have a proportional representatave government. It is not that there is a lack of surplus mouths here. We have far more checks and balances which slows down the ability of the parasites to take from others at will. And thank God.
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Yes. Ken. That guys like Phil Collins and John Cleese don’t wake up a little earlier is very surprising. I nearly bought ‘wife 2.0′ as well.
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Devil Dog-
Women won’t stop or do anything righteous until western men end up like Russian men after communism and feminism, broken, tired, hopeless, reckless, uncooperative and inflicted with alcoholism, at that point instead of helping their men, they’ll just whore themselves out to the men of the current superpower. Women don’t fight for righteous causes or revolutions, they standby and wait for a winner.
Well put Devil Dog. I spent a couple weeks in Ukraine last October – and truly what you describe is what exists there…. Feminism will lead the USA into just such a societal breakdown – and it is coming sooner than we think.
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Yep…my fav1 is from the Ukraine and when we first met she bitched up a storm as to how ‘bad’ the men were. When I pointed out to her that it was the WOMEN who betrayed the men in communism etc she was a lot more silent about it.
The eastern european women I talk to? When I explain to them that feminism and communism is the same thing and what they do is emasculate the man and steal his children or make him ‘wifeys whipping boy’ so they simply give up? They get it in under half an hour. Never had one not get it.
They are also devastated to realise its happening in the west now. They know they are chasing a rapidly reducing number of ‘good men’ to pay for the babies. They don’t like it one little bit.
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@Keyster,
Thanks. I thought I heard you on ‘AVoiceforMenBlogtalkradio’ and say you were attending the ‘U of T’…(university of Toronto)…maybe you said ‘U of P’…(university of Pennsylvania)?
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“I understand that HBD comes about through playing, “let’s you and him fight” from a female perspective. It is the same tactic or strategy they use with PCism or the whole civil rights debate(to put it into republican/conservative debates)….feminists uphold and propagate concepts that divide men on racial lines and then they use racially based arguments to prove inequality/inequity.”
You do men like Steve Sailer a great injustice, sir. It is NOT race that’s the greatest divider in society. It’s IQ.
Nevertheless, because races are, in fact, partially inbred extended families, and because such families in most places other than America will concentrate race and IQ characteristics among them, there will always be racism.
But trust me, having some of Sailer’s arguments on hand will do a lot more to effectively blow the minds of the callow collegiate opposition than a general attempt to unite among men.
And it’s not because the HBDers are racist. (If they are, then everyone in the whole damn world is racist.)
I came to welmer’s blog and the entire MRM FROM the HBDsphere, and those guys are not to be intellectually or scientifically trifled with.
Matter of fact, the reason the HBD arguments NEED to be supplied in this instance is because that’s exactly where the argument is going to go next. A liberal who can’t win on the facts will always always always ALWAYS retreat into accusations of racism. I can see it now:
“Look at how women have it in Africa! Look at how their men treat them! IS THAT HOW YOU WANT IT??? BECAUSE IT’LL TOTALLY HAPPEN THAT WAY IN AMERICA IF WE LET YOU MEN TAKE OVER!!!!”
An HBDer would laugh this off and cite a few relevant IQ studies. An MRA who’s chosen to limit himself to non-HBD-related questions is going to have a much tougher time of it.
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I tried to comment but it needed a Facecrap or Shitter account. They’re gay.
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@Firepower
“THAT will make up for your abrogation of duty more than any simpering apology.”
Abrogation of duty?
Simpering apology?
Save your ammunitions for someone else, friend. Chose your target more astutely. Shooting your own troops is… unwise.
You may have misunderstood my statement: I don’t apologize for anything and I stand by everything I’ve done in my life. My duty is to my son and I made a strong man out of him. He is a free man.
Don’t bother telling me what to do: I’m a big boy now.
Don’t call me a mangina again.
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‘Ladies’:
the revolution has begun and in fact has always been going on. The fact is that you have just been cowering in your little caves the whole time. Hold on tight, it’s going to be a bumpy ride, for the souls of the aborted are screaming for vengeance.
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I notice they’re trotting out the old “women were property” bullshit over there again.
Gents, do me a favor, the next time you see this tripe, ask the feminists to produce a bill of sale for white women who were “owned as property”. Here’s one for black people sold as slaves in 1835:
http://www.teachingushistory.org/tTrove/documents/MurphyOBryanPapers.pdf
You would think, in the “thousands of years” that women were “owned as property” you’d be able to find one receipt for women,one bill of sale for women who were traded as property because they were women and not because they were black or hebrew or egyptian or what-have-you.
I can show you ancient cuneiform clay tablets with receipts for goods and bills of sale written in Assyrian for goats or rice, where is the evidence of women traded as property?
There is none.
Tell them to produce a bill of sale.
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Kinda off-topic, but this and more examples of growing anti-feminist sentiments show that we are living in interesting times. Look at the Arabs. One by one, each country has tens of thousands of people protesting in the streets, risking death. Tunisia and Egypt have been liberated, Libya is on its way.
Now look at the MRM. Some of you may have not noticed, but it’s growing fast in the Youtube community, as more and more men and women shun feminism. In fact, a YT feminista posted a hysterical 41-minute rant about US, the imperialist state, that sponsors rape and uses South East Asian countries as rape resorts. She also went around the tubes calling dissidents rapists and imperialists. This prompted an angry and pitying response from dozens of YTers (some high-profile) concerned about her frivolous use of the word ‘rape’. They all agreed that rape is a serious word that should not be used without real justification. Men, women and genuine rape victims all spoke out against her.
Things are changing rapidly and drastically, all we need is optimism. Let’s hope the status quo changes in the West so that the whitewashed Western bootlickers here at home can blindly comply with the changing tide.
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OT
Maybe they have found 250,000 year old porn:
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5167/a_100000yearold_civilisation.html
Did Neanderthal woman get all jealous of his moon goddess statue?
Was this the first N GTOW?
Maybe the war of the sexes is far older than we realize.
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“Maybe they have found 250,000 year old porn:”
Far more likely than that “moon goddess” shit. I follow this topic with some enthusiasm and from what I’ve seen the idea that the “Venus De Milo” and other such carvings of fat chicks were in any way related to religious worship has been somewhat debunked.
I believe that the truly religious carvings are the ones that depict half-human, half-animal spirits and the vast symbology that ancient man employed as a quasi-mystical alphabet,notably, recurring themes such as the sun cross, the lightning bolt, the swastika (it was a religious symbol for about 10,000 years before the nazis picked it up) ,the arrow,the spiral and the circle. You will find these symbols all over the world and throughout all cultures,across all time periods,from the Mayans to Dutch architecture. It seems much more likely to me that these symbols embody the sum of early man’s spiritual knowledge and that only later was this knowledge connected to primarily human features in the form of the gods we know,via astrology and astronomy.
The paintings or carving depicting female figures may have been made simply for aesthetic pleasure like the statues of nudes from 350 b.c. to the present day.
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It’s a rare piece of writing that gets my blood boiling with anger like this essay did – and I thought I’d read all this before. Kudos to the guy who wrote it.
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Yup, a revolution is coming, although the exact form and timing of it is up for debate.
Historically, though, revolutions often end very poorly for all involved since they usually have an eventual call for a strong man to restore order. That’s when the dictatorship starts, or continues, as the case may be, often worse than before. And let’s not be too sure about the revolutions in the Middle East. The dust hasn’t settled yet.
Unfortunately, I don’t see any other way. As the title says, “Women don’t want a revolution” and the white knights and manginas will do all they can to preserve things as they are. Our ruling elite seem to have truly taken a “Let them eat cake” attitude and are truly oblivious to anything outside of Imperial DC.
Sort of OT and speaking of revolution, people are thinking of the American Revolution when talk of “revolutions freeing people” comes up. What was really revolutionary about the American Revolution is due to one man – George Washington. He truly was a man of character who can rightly be admired by all peoples of the world. Not because he was the first President – that’s political crap. Because after Britain surrendered, he resigned his commission as Commander of the army. He figuratively laid the army at the feet of the Continental Congress, instead of using the army to establish himself as dictator which had been the usual end result of victorious commanders throughout mankind’s history. Would that we could have men of his character ruling us today.
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“Jay Batman has recently challenged the readers of the “anti-authoritarian” blog Gonzo Times in a ballsy debate about feminism.” That’s something of an understatement – it looked more like a firefight to me, as I followed the comments and the links from reactions to rebuttals to shrill screaming-fits to ad hominem rants.
I found some of what he said disagreeable, but it was eclipsed by the frenzied shame-and-blame vituperation of the more rabid of the nay-sayers in the comments thread.
Thank you, Jay, for sticking your ideas out on the firing line that way. I believe we need to cross-pollinate our ideas, our views, our beefs if you will, out into the broadest possible range of political chat and bloggery. Is it presumptuous of me to say “you took one for the team”?
Exceptionally well done!
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Of course what they have conformed to in NOT anarchy.
I haven’t reed a paper, book(not really), magazine or seen a TV episode through in years –since early 90. (My TV isn’ t even cable-ized) Meanwhile the “anarchists” are reading from a college hand book. Might as well be bible of our day.
I guess I should say that there.
And anarchy won’t lead to the outcome they think it will (because they don’t think much at all). They are one click away from “golden age of the past” (which is a matriarchy o past wing) –ie world without war and caste victories etc.
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It’s a spirited volley, but he kind of loses steam along the way.
Even I didn’t expect catholic men to fair so well, comparatively speaking. Maybe the social PSI is higher than average? LOL. Makes the next statement stand out:
Now we’re talkin… stupid virgin worshipers!!!
Oh wait.
The Catholic Church has been critizied for not allowing women in the hierarchy and therefore excluded from participating in any of the Church’s pronouncements on anything since Christ. Maybe we’re talkin about attendance and/or the music programs?
No, it’s the schools and all the crusty nuns and angry housewives!
Wait it can’t be their fault all the schools are closing down… stupid pedophile priests!!!
That’s right! Religion causes people to suppress their sexuality and in turn transforms them into uninhibited child molesters!!! Suppression leads to wanton indulgence, as we all know that the only reason people do evil things is because of their parents.
Stooopid boomers.
For those of you still seated, the blame collection basket will be passing through. We accept scapegoats, poorly understood history, general whining and emo posturing. Thank you.
Can’t help but wonder if they’re on to something when they say too much sex feminizes men. Sure, the testosterone peaks during the act, but they fall well below average for much longer afterward. I mean, if you’re so busy messing around, you’re not exactly working on the Sistine Chapel or a Symphony 41 are you?
The cost for men isn’t too many kids and/or responsibilities, it’s loss of drive and accomplishment. Many people of great genius didn’t sleep all over the place because they were literally consumed by the push to create. Sure they might have their affairs, but nowhere near the volume some of you guys go on about.
Maybe this is the real reason why decadent cultures fail. Men get too distracted from really making a difference.
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@Troll King (HBD)
Race is NOT the same thing as skin color. I can’t understand how this misconception persists. Race is a collection of differences across a range of characteristics – including intelligence, aggressiveness, reaction time, self-control, etc. It has profound, relevent implications for the MRM. Even if feminism were 100% defeated, the West would still fall in the next few decades because of the invasion and proliferation of non-Western races in Western lands. People are loyal to members of their own race not from some backwards animal ‘instinct’, but for the same reason anyone is loyal in any situation: members of their own race share their INTERESTS. Everyone wants their own race and people to prosper, but we live in a world of SCARCITY, so there will ALWAYS be conflict as long as races exist. If they cease to exist (seemingly impossible), humans will simply fracture along different, perhaps finer, fault lines.
Western men have the internet because they CREATED it!!! It has everything to do with race. Take a hard look at the history of invention. Anyone that concludes it is unrelated to race is examining the data in bad faith. Feminism is an important issue, but from the perspective of Western preservation it is a far second to racial issues. White women, no matter how corrupted, still give birth to White men, when properly inseminated. Blacks do not. All Western countries are WHITE countries, because civilizations are the reflections of the people composing their citizenry. In other words, feminism can be reversed, but racial integration cannot be (without genocide/expulsion). Men of all races are NEVER going to unite and have a circle jerk while singing kumbaya, despite your communist fantasies. All you can do is understand WHY, or ignore the issue and flail at the wind. The MRM is the product of disenfranchised ‘angry white males’, to the same degree that the White Nationalism movement is.
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New Gender-Raunch feminism, which is the dominant form of feminism on American campuses today, has very little to do with womens equality, and the majority of the rhetoric is centered around “sexual preferences” and “professors taking saws-alls with a dildo on the end of it” to a womens vagina in front of his class of students.
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Who stole feminism??? Feminists of 30 years ago would have been appalled and would have demanded the professors resignation for taking a saws-all with a dildo on the end of it to a womens vagina, as a class project.
Neo gender-Raunch feminism sees the sexualisation of students as a form of “Empowerment”.
Show students how to take a saws-all with a dildo on the end of it to a womens vagina seems a fairly harmless college course, and perverts know this is just a first step to debauching and perverting them into more “Hard core gender-Raunch” to come.
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It’s easy to blame everything on Baby Boomers since they are now the largest surviving older generation. I just missed being in that generation by being slightly too old, so you can give some credence to what I say. What I say is that the so-called “Greatest Generation” was the definitive influence on the Boomers and they are the outcome of the latter’s hopes and aspirations after the Great Depression and a vicious war we weren’t sure we’d win.
Just for one example of the problem, I remember hearing year after year from the adults how war was bad and nobody should ever do it and then having the same adults become enraged and hateful toward their children’s opposition to the Vietnam War.
You’re attacking persons brought up in prosperity and confusion.
I’m not defending their feminism and their behavior about it but I am pointing out that it was an adjustment (“well-adjusted” was the psychological term for being “mentally healthy” in the 1950s, not “creative” as in the 1960s attempt to resist mental coercion) to a lack of real values and confusing behavior.
It all has to be resisted and overthrown. Neither spend your lives fighting a generation your kids will scarcely know nor following their wishy-washy values; come up with an alternative that works.
Also:
If she did he’d just knock the crap out of her and make her shut up and render her appointed services.
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Interesting thought. Similar to The Cage although only one diversion.
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I dont think we should drop out of society totally. We should drop out of the feminist middle class feminazi nightmare. We should try to become self-employed, and enter partially the underground economy. Everyone should have a “hustle” of some sort. If it wasnt for drugs and prostitutes there would be no reason for getting up in the morning.
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Troll King is either lying about his youth, or he’s a genius. My guess is that he’s probably a genius. As for anarchy? The sooner it happens, the better. Most of the problems with today’s women result from the fact they are too protected by the state. They’ve stretched it so far, that most women actually need to have their asses kicked and then fucked hard. After that, they might actually show us a little respect.
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@Troll King
It’s a hell of a stretch to take the modern situation of womens’ irresponsible behavior, protected by rampant state entitlements and sanctioned by warped social mores, and extend it back a full century. I’m sure you could find statistical up-ticks that correlate, and of course there’s ideological overlaps, but not every problem plaguing western civilization (past and present) is the root fault of feminism and not everything is part of a Master Plan(tm).
Obviously we can trace the evolution of modern feminism (which has morphed into female supremacy) back to early feminism (primarily concerned with equality before the law). But even if you could wave a magic and wish away their right to vote, we wouldn’t be left in some kind of just and prosperous utopia. You might as well say “Hell, representative democracy period was a mistake; we didn’t have these problems when when it was just lords and kings governing unbeholden to any demographic interest group.”
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@DevilDog right on! My second wife was ass and elbows out of here when my business tanked and the going got tough. She found a rich pussy wiped ultra beta who thinks that the crack of her ass NEVER stinks.
And did I succumb to the woman’s tactics? Nope! That’s why I was “unchangeable” and she was “unhappy.”
I’m 34. If there is one thing I learned in life that I know to be true, it is that today’s Western zeitgeist is a sham — total fucken stab in the back to every born Western male. The whole colossus needs a good run through the furnace of absolute fury to burn off all the shit we picked up since the “Enlightenment.” And fuck it! If the Islamist do it, we can only blame ourselves!
Oh shit! That sounds like extremist speech, a forerunner to (shudder… you nut less pc cretins)”Hate speech.”
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Yes. When you write pap like:
And don’t include me in the men of your generation when you describe them as such lame screw-ups that their betters are today’s generation of XBox hypnotized GameBoys.
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@ Golden Fetus,
It’s great to see that at least one man understands.
Even if feminism ended tommorow, the multicultural problem will persist. Probably 9/10 of the men here are white, but don’t seem to grasp this yet. They imagine that race is a social construct, and it means nothing. They even quote the line “it’s just pigmentation.”
However, there is hope. Contradictions can’t exist, and when it observed that the MRM doesn’t yield the proper results, they will go looking for answers.
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@Ryu,
Don’t expect the MRM to become a bastion of white nationalism. Sure there will be some guys into that (especially in places where whites are becoming a minority in their corner of the globe), which is all fine and dandy; but the main focus should be issues related to that fact we are men, brought into being in a world that hates men — and that horse shit needs to change! When and where we can, all men should stand TOGETHER and smash this moral leprosy called feminism and their mangina useful idiots. Yea I know easier said than done. But where it can be done, it should be done.
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Feminists almost won the White House when Walter Mondale, a Democratic nominee for Precident proclaimed “I’m a feminist” at the height of feminist hysteria.
Now the Drudge Report that his partner for VP has passed away. Link;
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Geraldine-Ferraro-Dead-at-75-118706824.html
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Brandons and Justins just simply “believe” in Diversity – the way whiteknights believe in chivalry.
PC feminism de-balled 20-somethings back in the cradle. In front of the TV.
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The parallels between feminism and racial equality are so strikingly obvious that it’s difficult for me to understand how any honest man can be awake to one and not the other. If you don’t bow and scrape before females or if you dare to suggest gender differences exist, you’re a misogynist. If you won’t deny racial differences or if you speak out against black privilege, you’re a racist. Feminism is designed to destroy males and make sure they don’t speak assert their own interests. Racial equality is designed to make sure whites don’t. They use the same irrational approaches, the same specious arguments, the same shaming tactics, and they’re pushed by the same people. They ARE the SAME thing: attacks on White males because they are White males, out of penis envy and resentment, jealously. Because White males created just about everything of value in the modern world, and this just makes blacks and women butt hurt.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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“Even if feminism ended tommorow, the multicultural problem will persist. Probably 9/10 of the men here are white, but don’t seem to grasp this yet. They imagine that race is a social construct, and it means nothing. They even quote the line “it’s just pigmentation.””
You know that back in the day CIA agents broke up all kinds of revolutionary groups using the exact same shit that you guys are talking about.
If you make this a movement about the interests of Western,white,males, it isn’t going anywhere. It’ll never go anywhere. A subversion campaign by Central Intelligence operating with an unlimited budget couldn’t fuck the men’s movement up any more than making this about Western white males will.
I am a Western white male. I am proud of the achievements of people of my race and culture. I know white males have certain issues, and black males other issues, but there is enough overlap to achieve an overthrow of feminism, if you White Nationalists actually want that.
If you don’t, keep making it about race until the MRM goes belly up. Then the government won’t have to spend any time or effort doing it later when we’re too big for them to control.
Stop the racial bullshit unless you want to continue paying 18 years worth of child support to see your children 4 hours a month.
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I hear your Nergal, I really do. I just don’t think this matter is so simple, or that uniting males across racial boundaries will have the effect people are expecting. That sort of thinking is like defending yourself against the left arm of a thug while his right hand plunges a switchblade into your bowels – you may be successful, but you’re still dead. White men and Black men, for example, DO have common ground and common interests. They CAN stand together on certain issues, but in all likelihood the friendly black man that stands by your side at a Men’s Rights rally has no problem voting for affirmative action, welfare, and other black privileges or supporting the NAACP when he’s not standing with you. The interests of White men and White women have far, far more overlap than the interests of White men and Black men. The divide between men and women is social and WILL subside. The divide between the races is biological, and CANNOT subside. This doesn’t mean I hate nonwhites or cannot get along with them, but it does mean that I recognize relevant differences and act accordingly. I desire and demand a world where people are treated according to their merit rather than their existence, by reality rather than wishes. The system we have now demands and receives massive subsidies from White males to females and nonwhites. White males are receiving much less than they produce, have limited rights, and are demonized constantly. Until this changes, I believe the situation needs to be addressed as it is, without ignoring any piece of the puzzle, or any weapon they use against us.
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goldenfetus wrote:
The interests of White men and White women have far, far more overlap than the interests of White men and Black men. The divide between men and women is social and WILL subside. The divide between the races is biological, and CANNOT subside.
The genetic differences between men and women rival the differences between a male human and a male chimpanzee, or a female human and a female chimpanzee. Sex differences in the human genome swamp all other levels of human diversity. So on what basis do you say that the differences between the sexes are ‘social’, while racial differences are ‘biological’?
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I’ve given serious thought to answering this myself, and my snap decision is that today’s tender whiteboi is physically afraid of blacks, but not females, of course.
It’s the VideoGame “warrior” mentality.
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Nonsense.
White males didn’t need blacks to defeat Germany…AND Japan.
White males didn’t need blacks to build the Great American Cities – that blacks destroyed.
Hell, white men didn’t even need blacks to free the fucking black slaves.
Please.
Quit with the PC platitudes.
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Don’t expect the MRM to become a bastion of white nationalism.
Some people may try to, either because they think white nationalism is more important than gender issues, or because they’re trying to undermine the movement through a divide-and-conquer strategy. Both types need to be put in their place and told to take their agenda elsewhere.
Sure there will be some guys into that (especially in places where whites are becoming a minority in their corner of the globe),
Speaking as a white man, I’m all in favor of them, and wish them the best of luck. They have as much right as any other race or ethnic group to practice identity politics.
but the main focus should be issues related to that fact we are men, brought into being in a world that hates men — and that horse shit needs to change!
I remember PMAFT posted an article about White-Knight Nationalism. There was a link to a white nationalist site where this middle-aged white woman was spouting off about how all the men had better get with the program and bow down and kiss her ass. None of those badass white-power dudes had the cojones to tell her to STFU and get back in the kitchen or get lost. It didn’t do anything to make me believe those guys had what it takes to rescue Western civilization from the abyss.
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Oh! Now THIS is such a sweet little philosophy. It’s actually, tender even!
It hath warmed the heart even, of mean, nasty Firepower, so
I’d like to give Jay a big cuddlehugg and tell him, with a name like his, he should promote his refreshing Peace and Love Aquarian view…
in Iran.
Peace…
Love will make it happen!!!
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Plenty of white males on the entitlement rolls, and always voting for more. Plenty of white male manginas all too eager to back the matriarchy to the hilt. Plenty of white male thugs shaking us down and sporting gang colors (white collars and neckties; hell, at least the hood rat only takes the couple bucks I got in my pocket).
‘Women are more natural allies for white males than non-white males’? Horseshit. Jamal doesn’t shit test me, Raj isn’t going to take me for half my assets in court, and Murata isn’t going to deny me access to my kids.
I’m sure people can and will post data that proves that blacks, hispanics or green martians are statistically more likely to do this, that or the other thing. So what? Trying to base any kind of practical movement off that is doomed.
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“Nonsense.
“White males didn’t need blacks to defeat Germany…AND Japan.
White males didn’t need blacks to build the Great American Cities – that blacks destroyed.
Hell, white men didn’t even need blacks to free the fucking black slaves.
Please.
Quit with the PC platitudes.”
You’re sniping at the wrong guy, Firepower.
I’m about as Un-PC as they come. But if you think white people can have any success in a movement for and about white people,just look at how far the Aryan Brotherhood and the KKK have come in 100 years. Even in prison,they’re a minority and a joke.
Look at it from a practical point of view. These Neo-Nazis and redneck cross burners can’t even get their own “superior” white females to stop fucking other races long enough to produce the white babies they’d need for their little all-white revolutionary army.The reason why is obviously because they’re idiots and they don’t know where their priorities are.
The first step to accomplishing their aims would be getting their women under control,yes? Can’t have a white uprising without the majority of whites onboard,right? And who are they going after instead? The minorities that their women CHOOSE to reproduce with in DEFIANCE of them and of their precious White Nationalist beliefs.
In military strategy, when you’re outnumbered,you isolate your enemies and pick them off one by one. These idiots are so fucking retarded that they keep charging against superior numbers with their own women stabbing them in the back every step of the way and then they come here and tell US that WE’RE doing it wrong.
White Nationalism isn’t going anywhere, the MRM MIGHT have a chance if ya’ll will can the racist bullshit.
The end result is the same, a better standard of living for white men. And of course blacks, latinos and asians and “racially-impure” mixtures of all of the above will get the same rights but I’d like to think that even a cross-burning ignorant racist fucktard can see that getting a piece of the same pie that blacks,latinos,and asians get is better than no pie at all which is what you’re getting right now.
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As I said on the discussion at inmalafide: http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/03/26/the-life-of-the-mind/
Race may matter, but not for the reasons you might think.
I don’t know anything about human biodiversity (HBD), but I can guess. Just as women on average are shorter than men, and have a bell curve that clusters toward the middle, and just as Ashkenazi Jews have higher average IQ scores than your average white person, it may be true that members of one race have a different average intelligence, and even a different bell curve shape, than members of another race. We evolved, and there’s no reason to think that distribution of intelligence, height, strength, or any other characteristic for any arbitrary group need be equal.
And sure, you can say things about any arbitrary group. You can say most men are more likely to get into a car accident (because they drive more often than women), but that doesn’t mean that I personally am more likely to get into a car accident. I’m an awesome fucking driver. You can say women tend to be hypergamous, and almost every single one of them is, but there will be exceptions, unique individuals. What I’m saying is we are all individuals. You might be able to statistically represent differences in various races and sexes, but it really shouldn’t matter. We are individuals who will succeed or not succeed in a free market system based on our own merit.
But we are not in a free market system, because people keep mucking it up. It’s our nature. So when I say that race may matter, it is only because people insist on it. They insist that they are not individuals, that they are part of a group, and that that group’s needs outweigh the needs of other groups. Whites with plenty of money and power and white nationalists are both guilty of this to varying degrees. Whites with plenty of money and power don’t care about all whites – no, they care about other whites with money and power, people who are “like them”. White nationalists also care about people who are “like them”. And being “like them” can really mean anything. Race, sex, job, interests, whatever. We naturally want to promote other people like us because we tend to want to perpetuate people who are like us – it’s just another form of human competition.
So the only reason race matters is that people make it matter.
I know next to nothing about HBD, but I’m guessing some have suggested we could put together IQ tests for voting. I have thought about this in the past. After all, allowing everyone to vote certainly hasn’t worked out very well. But it wouldn’t work, because, just as we have already seen with the biasing of IQ tests toward women, the people in power and in control of the IQ test will make sure that the results end up in favor of whomever they please. If IQ tests for voting were implemented, they would, over time, favor those already in power more and more, perpetuating inequity of opportunity.
I’d prefer to let each individual fend for themselves and succeed based on merit. And not only on merit of themselves, but on their families, because that’s really how it is. If you are born to a well-off family, your opportunities vastly outnumber someone born poor without a father. Survival of the fittest means not only the fittest DNA, but the fittest upbringing, the fittest family knowledge passed down to the next generation, which really is an indication of just how fit your DNA is. Affirmative action is a futile attempt to fight against survival of the fittest through discrimination, to interfere with success based on merit.
Humanity evolved in a competitive environment, and so we compete. It will always be thus unless we change the very nature of humanity. The fittest will always have a better chance of surviving – and the fittest are not the nicest people, they are not the best people, they are just the people who are able to succeed. And the fittest will have no qualms about ensuring that people like them remain the fittest, by implementing policies that favor themselves and people like them. Who’s to say they aren’t the fittest, then, if they are the ones who succeed at doing so?
This talk about race is interesting, but I am an individual, so is my fiancee, so will my child be if I ever have one. I think we’ll all be pretty damn exceptional, regardless of our race. We have to remember, though, that most people will help others who are “like them”. It’s human nature, but I don’t think there’s anything intrinsically “good” about it.
Over time, the human race will not become “better”, because being “good” is not the criteria for being successful: the criteria for success is putting yourself, and people like you, above others. We are a competitive race, and unless you change our nature, we always will be.
(there’s much more at the link)
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Hey nergal,
Calling European American people “racist” isn’t going to continue to work. Take your race hatred elsewhere.
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The bottom line about race is that other than whites, other races are working for their future interests, which are detrimental to the interests of whites. So, if whites don’t work to protect their own interest and nobody else does either, (while working for their own) whites are doomed. About the women dragging white males and whites down in general? This is happening. This is a key reason why white survival is in doubt. Regardless of how promising a two front war is for white males, (or anyone else for that matter) a two front war is the only option. Fight both or die. Fight both or die. Fight both or die. But, against such odds against them from their women, other races and our governments, there is only one thing that I think will make white males fight the way they need to fight. They must feel the immediate fear and pain of having their backs up against the wall as the government falls apart. This is why the sooner this country breaks up into pieces, the better. I imagine thirty scared people in a room in the rural “America” talking about what they must do to survive. A man makes a suggestion, a woman starts to put him in his place and she is knocked unconscious. The remaining women are requested to leave and they wisely do. Only when the shit hits the fan will this necessary step be taken. Every man fucks his woman or a woman that night and we are reborn.
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My family’s from Ireland,fuckwit.
But you’re right,after all. I should go elsewhere. I wouldn’t want to stand in the way of you guys accomplishing for the MRM what you’ve accomplished for white people in general, jack-diddly-shit.
Go ahead and tank the only shot men have at getting a fair deal. I just hope you like paying women half of everything you busted your ass working for to divorce your retarded ass.
You can listen to these guys if you want to, but when the feminists are doing their next expose on the MRM on MSNBC with pictures of toothless hillbillies in klan robes, don’t say nobody warned you.
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Shaming language.
Anytime someone says something pr0-white, they are member of the Nazis, and the KKK. Any MRM is a hater of women and has issues. Is this the sort of MRM we want here? He uses the same techniques of the feminists!
Are you guys beginning to see? The feminists and multiculturalists are one. Same techniques, same ideas, same end result.
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No,I’m saying that’s how it will be interpreted because the people you are fighting are the ones with the news desks and the tv cameras telling the people who don’t know about it what to think.
I never said I was a multiculturalist, what I said was it’s retarded and a LOSING STRATEGY for people to make the MRM about white people. They will put you up on the news with a few select quotes taken out of context next to a picture of Cooter from Bumfuck Auto Repair and 99% of America will be laughing at your ass by the six o’ clock news broadcast.
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V10 March 26, 2011 at 15:48
Plenty of white males on the entitlement rolls, and always voting for more. Plenty of white male manginas all too eager to back the matriarchy to the hilt. Plenty of white male thugs shaking us down and sporting gang colors
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I would love to see a breakdown of what races and genders pay in taxes and the amount of government services each use. We need to start using the most violent and disgusting rhetoric to defend our interests as white males, unfortunately, the culture will not allow this. I suggest something called “Open Source Satire” where would could post anonymous stories turning the agenda of the feminists and multiculturalists into a comedy.
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I’m outta here.
My objections to the whole let’s-make-the-mrm-the-training-grounds-for-the-aryan master race comeback idea are recorded.
I’ve no interest in defending against charges of racism and misogyny at the same time.
Good luck fighting a war on two fronts,it turned out pretty good for Napolean,Hitler,and everybody else who ever tried that strategy.I’m just gonna shuffle my eggs into another Men’s Rights-related basket and hopefully accomplish something by the time you get around to capsizing that effort as well.
I agree that Affirmative Action is unnecessary today and that whites are demonized in the media, but making the MRM about white guys is a guaranteed fast track to epic failure. It isn’t going to help either group,white nationalists or MRAs,it’s going to cut men’s balls off before we ever get a chance to fight back. You’re bending yourselves over and sticking the dick up your own asses with this one.This is the absolute best way to go if you DON’T want things to improve for white men;you couldn’t be making a bigger fuckup if you had planned to do so.
Don’t take my word for it,though. I want you to see for yourself. You won’t hear another fucking peep from me on this issue. In fact, I’m done here for a while. I’ll come back in about a year if this site’s still here and see how your little bedsheet brigade went.
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‘Women are more natural allies for white males than non-white males’? Horseshit. Jamal doesn’t shit test me, Raj isn’t going to take me for half my assets in court, and Murata isn’t going to deny me access to my kids.
The day I see a brotha’ from the ‘hood report me for sexual harassment for staring at his low-cut top is the day I’ll believe I should give higher priority to racial issues than gender issues.
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I agree. We’ve already addressed this dozens of times but it keeps coming back — it’s a constant issue. Just keep in mind that this is one of those things I have to deal with on a consistent basis, and I’ve had to take some time off over the last few days, so this is why it’s become an issue just now. But it’s temporary.
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America in it’s height was never multicultural, it was a melting pot, immigrants came here and were expected to assimilate. They did. A melting pot is much different from a multiculturalism society. If you look at Europe, they were pushing that crap awhile back, now all of them are saying it doesn’t work and they the immigrants are destroying their countrys culture. Multiculturalism is bullshit that doesn’t work, melting pots work to a degree, as long as the country’s dominant citizens (White people) stay dominant. I’m not a white nationalist but I believe my observation holds true.
Its not a fucking crazy idea to say that white people should remain dominant and the majority in their own fucking countries. Socially engineered diversity is a recipe for disaster, and is inherently anti-White male.
White folks’ birth rates in America is going down, feminism plays a big role in this. While white people have less children, Hispanics are having more, white people will be minorities in their own fuckin country by 2040. Leftists tout this as diversity, it’s not fucking diversity, it’s one group replacing another.
Like I said, whites must remain the majority in their own damn country, or else there’ll be some big problems. Nothing wrong with that, you think of white people flooded mexico or some Arab shithole or some county in Asia and started to outbreed their people in their own countries they’d standby and clap for diversity and multiculturalism? Lol fuck no, theyd get hostile.
Such is life in the human kingdom, hell look at the russians, communism destroyed their birthrates and now native Russians are being replaced, and they’re pissed, extremely racist and xenophobic, that’s to be expected though, when you see your people losing power and dominance in your own country and see others outbreed you to a point where you’re a minority in your own ancestors country, yeah you’re gonna be pissed off. Territorial nature in humans will always exist.
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Sorry bout the typos, fuckin iPhone keyboard sucks.
Oh and multiculturalism isnt “we can allocd together, sing Kum ba ya and appreciate cultures”
It’s the alienation of whites in their own damn countries.
White folks are the only ones in western civilization who are lowering their birthrates and willfully giving up dominance, everyone else is breeding like mad and trying to attain the top spot.
Boy i tell ya, leftist social engineering plus white guilt is a motherfucker, an effective strategy for self destruction. I can truly see western civilization fall and go through the same shit the poor ruskies went through after communism. Communism and feminism go hand in hand. And they both bring suffering and destruction wrapped up and presented as enlightenment and advancement.
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OK guys, if you’re a white male I understand what might be pissing you off about some things. I’m kind of pissed about some of that stuff, too.
But if I see any more bitching about non-white men or suggestions that it’s their fault that we’re in our current fix, I’m going to shut it down. That’s because while I’ve had plenty of minorities treat me like shit, ultimately the boss man who gave them the green light to do so is some white guy in almost every case. There’s a lot of blame to go around considering how terribly men have been treated, and there’s no way I’m going to let the white scumbags who deserve their fair share of that blame get off easy because some people can’t see past the end of their nose.
Furthermore, if we can’t hold our own accountable, we have absolutely no justification for criticizing those of other races.
Nationalism has its place. I’m a white guy with white kids. I have no desire to see white people punished for being who they are. In that sense I’m “pro-white,” just the same as black men are pro-black, Asian men are pro-Asian, etc. But we’re dealing with men’s issues here. Not bitching about the fact that some white slut is banging a guy with dreadlocks. Who cares about that?
For heaven’s sake, this is just such petty shit. Plays right into the hands of the leftists. Restore the rights and dignity of men and it will be a peripheral issue.
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Yes, yes, yes. We know there’s black lobby groups and hispanic lobby groups and oriental lobby groups, we get it. Yes, we know they’re racially-biased towards their niche of the population and it’s blatant double standard, we get it. We. Fucking. Get. It.
And yes, I’m sick of having my culture’s contribution to the world dismissed as Evil White Men. But every time someone tries to lay out the philosophical, technological and economic bounty that European-descended men have brought the world, the White Power mouth-breathers crawl out from under their rocks to cheerlead, poisoning the debate. Sad part is that most of those cheerleaders, that’s all they’re good for. They contribute fuck all to the advancement and prosperity of white civilization, save maybe breeding cannon fodder and grunt labor.
But whatever. Let’s waste our time fighting with the blacks and hispanics and asians over the crumbs that fall from the table.
@ jimbo: So the foundation for the renewal of civilization is not based on rule of law, meritocracy, or any pansy shit like that, but Thunderdome? Ya, that’ll work. What happens if a woman beats the snot out of you, by chance? Does she become ruler of Bartertown?
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Point made wf, guess at the end of the day were all getting fucked by the same enemy, who desires to keep us pinned against each other as a distraction. I can dig it. I suppose making the mrm only about whites would be dangerous to our cause, which is righteous. At the end of the day plenty men of different creed have been fucked over by feminists. Mrm should be about all men, what’s good for all men, not just what’s good for all white men, that’s what the feminists did, its great for white women, but all the other women seem to have been forgotten by feminists. MRM for all men, were in this together, if feminists and others win the battle and drown us with their ignorance, all men suffer.
I apologize and stand enlightened. Mens rights for all Men, that’s what it’s all about.
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The thing is that none of this matters. People who think that you can make headway and and gain sympathy if you just package this the right way and cater to the political sympathies of the media are kidding themselves.
There will not be a monolithic men’s movement that changes everything once the “message” is presented just the right way. This is not feminism 2.0.
The MSM will deal with groups of angry men when they have to. They will demonize them when they really start to threaten a status quo that the men’s movement can’t even begin to challenge financially.
De-legitimize the “experts.” De-legitimize the MSM. De-legitimize the status quo.
You can beg for fair treatment from the MSM and hope for table scrap coverage, but the reality is that they will always call men who criticize feminists “misogynists” and “sexists” and “reactionary extremists.”
@Ray Manta
I’m talking about differences in INTERESTS, not genetics. People organize along fault lines of self-interest. White men and women have a much greater overlap of interests, and the current divide between them is socially created. There may have always been competition between the sexes, but in the end they had always complemented each other, before feminism. If they continue having children there will come a generation when the enmity disappears. The divide between the races is biological. That is, the genetic differences between the races are severe enough that innate ethnocentrism ensures they will always have different interests. I’d be interested to see what you’re using as the basis for your claim about differences versus chimpanzees – I haven’t seen that claim before.
For the record, I am NOT advocating excluding anyone from the MRM. I am pointing out, in good faith, that you cannot ignore the issue of race. If it is not addressed in some way, the movement will fail. Anti-male and anti-white sentiment and legislation have the same source, methods, and purpose. Shutting down discussion of this risks alienating a significant portion of the white MRM base. I believe that the issue is both relevant and can be discussed in good faith – even between the races – and that it therefore should be.
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Remember none of us know who all the posters are, and there are plenty of folk out there that want to see us fail. When there’s something as predictably destructive as bending the message into a race war, don’t be surprised if the posters don’t sign themselves as Catherine, Mary or Andrea.
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Anarchism (non-government means of organizing human society) may well have a lot to offer us about the Men’s rights movement as it(s)–0r they–develop in the coming generations. Governments are plainly the enemy of (most) men! It kills and maims us in their wars, it enslaves us with their barbarous and parasitic taxation (some figures indicate that more than 50% of income earned is stolen through various levels of taxation), government makes male prudence, thrift, and self-responsibility almost impossible through their abominable policies of debt-driven and coiunterfeit money, eroding our earning capacity year by year, and ensuring an old age dependent upon a callous, pro-female, and greedy bureaucracy; government enslaves us to families we can no longer control, no longer educate, and no longer have any opportunity to take pride in, which may be lost at the merest whim of the female, while keeping us 100% responsible for their material well-being and support, it further degrades us AS MEN in their endless ridicule of, and debasement of the masculine virtues (when they are permitted to be shown at all) in their wretched ‘publik skoolz’ and their idiot box entertainment–absorbed mostly by women and children in any event–and further castrates us by interfering with our rights to keep and bear arms, firstly to defend ourselves, our homes and property, and our businesses, and secondly, more importantly, to resist government tyranny! Men at this point need government like we need cancer, and for much the same reasons! Government, whatever its value in the distant past, is now a pernicious, toxic, and pathogenic element serving only the criminal elements of the male population in Wall St. and Washington DC at the expense of everything (and almost everyone) else!
Government has a day to day interest in keeping us weak, confused and divided among ourselves (pace the racial issues among some posts here) because the figures most closely associated with such an “establishment” know very well that once we regain ourselves and our world, the only place for the Alan Greenspans and Ben Bernenkes, the Barry Obamas and John McCains, the the Kochs, Soros, and Rockefellers, and Kennedys (what is left of them) and the rest of such an incompetent, corrupt and worthless elite foisting such political, military, and judicial vermin on their betters–who all look down their noses at US, by the way–would be on street corners with little tin cups!
They fear men and the rediscovery of our masculinity the way cockroaches fear the insecticide and for the same reasons!
My apologies to the cockroaches.
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
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Good comment by TrollKing as usual. I agree with almost all of what he says except for that gen y men are waking up in some record numbers. TrollKing is brilliant as is essentially all of the serious supporting young men of MGTOW and the MRM but thing is MGTOW and MRM is not for morons. Most young people both men and women are stupid. Lets face it.
Most young men (outside of like minded ones) in particular, will toss you under the buss for a piece of ass. 2 Young guys in particular stood out for me in observing this. One was an ex-Marine and another a pro athlete who got me in trouble to pander to some worthless bitch.
I doubt young guys are waking up. I think most of them are about the same as the white knights before them. I just had to clear that up. Most people here seem to think that gen y is starting to wake up but I don’t think so.
Times change in life though so if I’m proven wrong in the future one day, and it’s obvious then I’ll see differently. Like the saying goes “I’ll believe it when I see it”.
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Point is, if a young ex-marine and near state champion High School wrestler won’t stand up for his fellow man, what do you expect from young men with half the backbone? Just something to think about.
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W.F. Price March 26, 2011, at 20.02
“…if I see any more bitching about nonwhite men, or suggestions that it is their fault that we are in our current fix, I am going to shut it down…”
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
There ARE other blogs and websites where racial differences and their associated injustices and iniquities can be discussed (even from a pro-White perspective) along with possible answers and responses which are male positive. Spearhead just isn’t one of them, and frankly it shouldn’t be! We have enough on our plate dealing with women (of all races) along with the poisonous and thoroughly disagreeable creatures they have become, to say nothing of the spawn from hell that they are allowed, or even encouraged to saddle us with by the government–see above post– and its laws (Okay Peter Andrew-Nolan, statutes) at everyone’s expense but their own!
The sooner we can discuss and reason, LIKE MEN, how to reclaim our manhood, our liberties, and the keeping our justly acquired property, the sooner we can–with the help of women worthy of the name, women who love and honor us, build a new a better world! Race and its attendent issues, while interesting in its own right, does NOT contribute to Men’s issues intelligently or effectively! Men, of any race, religion, or color, who want to contribute their ideas to current racial or ethnic issues or controversies should make themselves welcome on blogs and websites discussing those issues!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
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I understand perfectly.
The-spearhead is a specialist site. We have one and only one issue: men’s rights. Larger concerns are irrelevent.
We are the entymologist who studies the ant colony while the forest around it burns.
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I just told you…you did NOT listen, so I will repeat:
White males didn’t need blacks to defeat Germany…AND Japan.
White males didn’t need blacks to build the Great American Cities – that blacks destroyed.
Hell, white men didn’t even need blacks to free the fucking black slaves.
You’re actually comparing victory in WW2 and the building of America and England to prison gangs? Apples and oranges to the nth degree even…
But, if you want to go on that path…blacks and Hispanics ARE majorities in prison because the commit most crimes. You want to imprison MORE whites to win a numbers game…in prisons? OK, lets make whites the majority in prisons and see who wins. My guess is it’s ANY group with the numbers. You make a totally bizarre point, btw.
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goldenfetus wrote:
I’m talking about differences in INTERESTS, not genetics.
When you say the differences between the sexes are social while the differences between the races are biological, that’s not exactly clear to me.
People organize along fault lines of self-interest. White men and women have a much greater overlap of interests, and the current divide between them is socially created.
Wrong. Past history suggests that it’s far more than socially created. It doesn’t explain why other societies have ‘gone feminist’ (and declined/collapsed as a result). It also doesn’t explain how or why feminism is being currently exported around the globe. All of those phenomena contradict your starry-eyed vision of men and women being happily reunited when the racial fault lines are corrected.
That is, the genetic differences between the races are severe enough that innate ethnocentrism ensures they will always have different interests.
I am not a denier of racial or ethnic group differences. And I don’t think most of the men who post on The Spearhead are either. But there are only so many battles you can fight at one time.
I’d be interested to see what you’re using as the basis for your claim about differences versus chimpanzees – I haven’t seen that claim before.
Go to http://www.slate.com/id/2112570/ and http://www.wired.come/medtech/health/news/2005/03/66919 . The Slate article is the one that draws the conclusion about the genetic differences between men and women while the Wired article quotes a researcher who believes that effectively there are two human genomes, not one – male and female.
The conclusions are based on the results of the Human and Chimpanzee Genome Projects. It’s revealed a cornucopia of information about who we are as a species. Below is another link that shows evidence that humans have acquired a vast number of sexual dimorphisms in the brain during the course of evolution.
http://www.education.com/reference/article/gender-differences-expression-genes-brain/
The overall findings show low genetic diversity for humanity on the whole compared to our primate relatives such as the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan. That’s likely due to our recent arrival on the scene (about 200,000 ago) plus a possible bottleneck about 70,000 years ago when humanity may have been reduced to as few as 2000 surviving individuals worldwide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2975862.stm
For the record, I am NOT advocating excluding anyone from the MRM. I am pointing out, in good faith, that you cannot ignore the issue of race
I never have myself, and from the way Obsidian was tarred and feathered after pushing his anti-white agenda on the Spearhead (and now on Mala Fide) neither do most commentators in the MRM.
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Maybe, that’s because it’s an important issue. An important issue that needs settling – whether you discuss it here or not; I guarantee – it will be discussed someplace.
Intelligent people like to talk about important, relevant issues – such as this. Morons are the ones who like to talk about unimportant stuff and last years issues, like The Olsen Twins.
That’s pretty much what you get when you publish an article – literally – about Revolution. Unless revolution has been wimped down to mean something like a hemline change on the catwalks of NYC.
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This is never going to happen but I am personally amazed at the intelligence of the people here, I think if a bunch of us got together we could make a hell of a lot of money.
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Batman is an pointless frustrated idiot. What kind of societal endgame does such a philosophy produce? What kind of family life would one have? Look, it is reasonable to bemoan the bill of goods that is feminism, but the whole point of being a man is to ignore the stupid post modernist feminist goop and to confidently be a real man, a good man, a good father and a good husband. To be strong, stoic, dutiful, loving, and, with self assurance, lead one’s family. as a Judeo Christian father/ husband would. Let us cast away self doubt and as well as the moronic nabobs of the NAGS and be not afraid.
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Femmynutty whiminz dont want what they dont want.
Who knew.
GYOW.
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Right on Taglini, right on. A society needs children and good mothers as well as good fathers to raise them. How playing the field until you’re almost dead is going to address that, I really don’t know. What we need is to reverse the misandrist trends in society and seek out fair and just treatment. This also means holding women to much higher standards.
To all those who get caught up in the racial discussion, remember this:
When you don’t have anything in your life to be proud about, you will look for the one thing that has always been there and cannot be taken away.
If we judged the great art simply on the materials used, it wouldn’t be art anymore. Greatness demands application. We have to avoid those crutches that would allow for mediocrity.
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Original gonzotimes link now defunct. I don’t know if anyone else saved the article but I did:
http://deansdale.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/why-i-am-an-anarcho-misogynist-jay-batman/
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@Ray Manta
To be fair, the sentence immediately before that explicitly stated I was talking about interests:
“The interests of White men and White women have far, far more overlap than the interests of White men and Black men.”
I’m not sure what you mean here. Males and females biologically complement each other. Feminism is not genetic – it’s a social construct. Besides, the primary issue, to me, is anti-male legislation and formal special privileges for females that come without responsibility. This is clearly social. And feminism is being exported globally through Western media dominance and the international global elite. I didn’t realize this was mysterious.
I know you disagree with me, but really? Starry-eyed vision? What have I said that makes you think this? There will always be competition between the genders because of differing optimal mating strategies. That conflict alone – without feminism – is not a threat to Western civilization, while invading anti-white races ARE. Unless White men are going to give in to solipsism and roll over and die quietly they will need to reproduce themselves. The simple and obvious fact is that White women are the only women on Earth capable of producing new White men, and then only if the fathers are also White.
I disagreed with you before about the chimp statement, but I took the time to review your sources. I do not think they support the idea that White males are genetically closer to Black males than to White females. That is, in fact, totally absurd. I would wager that no credible scientist or researcher in a genetics/biology field has ever made any statement remotely supportive of that claim. Take this statement, for example:
“at least 50 genes were more active in the developing brain of one sex than in the other”
This indicates that the sex differences are not caused by differences in the genes themselves, but by differences in their activation. A White female, then, would still pass those genes on to her offspring, activated or not, and is still genetically similar to White males. And there’s the issue of the fact that males and females reproduce sexually, and therefore exchange genes – that all new White people (males AND females ) are created from templates provided by their parents. All genetic differences between the genders exists on part of the single chromosome they do not share, while humans and chimps do not even have the same NUMBER of chromosomes (one fused, on humans). Differences between the races exist across all chromosomes, and, as an example, blacks differ from whites by as much as 0.5% of their genetic material. Considering that all the differences between humans and chimps are explained by a 1-2% difference, this is especially significant. There is also the fact that all non-black races have some degree of Neanderthal intermixture. Neanderthals had larger brains than homo sapiens, and at least some had light hair and eyes. This might explain why blacks have smaller brains than the other races, and why light hair and eyes are found exclusively among Northern Europeans and their descendants. Either way, I do not think any rational argument can be made to the effect that gender is a great divide than race, in terms of interests OR genetics.
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Golden Fetus wrote:
I’m not sure what you mean here. Males and females biologically complement each other. Feminism is not genetic – it’s a social construct
Then why has it appeared time and again in previous cultures such as in ancient Rome? Bloggers such as Elusive Wapiti and Fifth Horseman have suggested that it’s a side effect of human mating strategies. Here’s the capsule summary :
(1) Humans, unlike most primates, practice a mating strategy where the males stay with their extended family groups, while the females disperse and marry outside. The male ‘herd’ is successful to the degree it can work together and bond for mutual protection.
(2) During historic times, advanced civilization required the weakening of the ‘male herding’ instinct. Examples of peoples who never made it to this step include the xenophobic Beduoin tribes (Lawrence of Arabia tried and failed to integrate them), the Pashtun, and countless other tribes.
(3) Unfortunately, the weakening of the male herding instinct leaves men essentially defenseless against the female herding instinct. Women are far more adept then men at cooperating with unrelated individuals for their mutual self-interest. Since men have no ‘male herd’ to counteract female herding behavior, women end up giving themselves power and privileges at the expense of almost all males except a small elite of ‘alpha males’ who they’re attracted to (women are hypergamous and wired to mate up, not down).
Fifth Horseman has noted that no society has survived more than about 100 years after women’s suffrage. If we go by his clock, the US has less than 10 years left.
So that’s the reason why I don’t see men and women dancing together happily into the sunset if we just remove this aberration named feminism. The seeds of it (and societal self-destruction) are wired into who we are as human beings. And all this business about ‘race realism’ is just plain missing the point. Until we address the sexual problem, the same cycle is just going to repeat again and again.
I disagreed with you before about the chimp statement, but I took the time to review your sources. I do not think they support the idea that White males are genetically closer to Black males than to White females. That is, in fact, totally absurd. I would wager that no credible scientist or researcher in a genetics/biology field has ever made any statement remotely supportive of that claim.
I quoted you a source, didn’t I? And it was taken from calculations and conclusions made by MIT researcher David Page. So unless you’re going to provide me with evidence that he isn’t a credible source, you’ll lose your wager. There’s also the Wired article where another researcher states that there are really two human genomes, not one. Feel free to post information or sources directly refuting their claims.
As to the differences between races, whatever they are, they’re of fairly recent origin. Spencer Wells work shows a Y-chromosome haplotype coalescence point of 60,000 to 70,000 years ago. Cavalli-Sforza genotyping work also shows shallow ancestral lineages, not the deep ones that we see with chimps, gorillas, and orangutans.
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Welmer Price is right about that racial bullshit. Race is an issue but it is not the issue here at the spearhead. Some here would be amazed at the level of misandry applied to the so called minority communities is foolishly passed off and rationalized as racism. Also be aware that a large number of MRA types are not white and are blackmen. The movie Diary of a Tired Black Man is basicly a documentary of male female relationships in the modern black community. Many commenters here or non white and will and have defended whites in general from ridiculous racist comments (Obsidian comes to mind).
Mens issues are universal. And believe it or not, we beat down misandry as a universl cause and the socialist use of race to divide and pit us against one another is weakened also.
BTW Nergel was dead on about the white nationalist types talking that pussy whipped white goddess shit,are no different than the black leaders pussy worship with the nubian princess talk. All of them justify the (the worshipped pussy included) oppression of there “own people” to some bullshit racist arguement. The misandry these guys feel and live with is real but unknown for what it is due to pussy worship. “So it has got to be race.”
Hang tough Welmer and don’t let any one make your site into something it is not.
greyghost blackman MRA commenter.
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Ray Manta,
I’m ignorant concerning the specifics of feminism outside the 20th century, so I can’t comment directly on your historical references. I admire some of the work of both bloggers you mention, but I disagree with the narrative delivered. When talking about ‘natural’ or ‘evolutionary’ human mating strategies, my impression is that even the foremost anthropologicaal experts (many of whom are motivated politically by Marxism) are generally ignorant. Since the bulk of human evolution occurred in prehistory, there is simply no solid basis for making claims about default human behavior – it’s all speculation and inference based on what is known about us over the last 5,000 years or so.
“Since men have no ‘male herd’ to counteract female herding behavior, women end up giving themselves power and privileges at the expense of almost all males except a small elite of ‘alpha males’ who they’re attracted to”
I think it’s the other way around – alpha males are the source of power, not the beneficiaries. They benefit from female ‘empowerment’ by herding them into the work force to drive labor costs down and emasculate their beta male counterparts who become unable to impress the hypergamous females they are in direct competition with. The alphas are the ones offering special privileges and legislation to females, and though sexual utopia is not going to emerge when this is reversed, the situation will certainly improve markedly. Females, unable to compete with males based on merit, will be forced again to offer value to men in exchange for survival or prosperity.
I agree with you that female suffrage is a significant problem that needs to be reversed, but it’s still a SOCIAL problem, not a biological one. The things you have pointed out may follow naturally (in cycles) from human biology, but they are not fundamentally biological – they are social derivatives of biology. Make two baby female clones and give them different conditioning and you can turn one into a rabid feminist and the other into an agreeable, supportive wife. Race differences are biological. No matter how much conditioning or social engineering the libs employ they will always exist. There can be, and has been, peace between the genders – they can complement each other and work together lovingly – but there never has been peace between races. The most you can hope to do is submerge racial tension. The races can still work together to some degree when their interests overlap, and I personally support self-determination for each race, but they cannot occupy the same TERRITORY peacefully.
I don’t necessarily object to the content of the sources you provided, but I do not see how they support your claim that White males are closer to chimpanzees or men of other races than to White females. Maybe males and females can be looked at as having different genomes, hypothetically, but those genomes are nearly identical. The differences may be of recent origin, but the point is that the differences exist and are significant. A lot can happen in 70,000, or 110,000 years. Depending on what pressures ancient human populations were subjected to, it’s enough for significant divergence. And when you consider interbreeding with a totally different species (or subspecies, depending who you ask) with its own lengthly genetic history, it sets the stage for understanding modern racial differences.
greyghost,
As for me, I’m talking about race because it was specifically mentioned in the article. I believe my comments are relevant. I respect Mr. Price’s territory, and in this case I believe he allowed the article to be posted. It doesn’t seem fair to allow a post addressing white males in the MRM and to then shut down responses made in good faith. Most of what I’ve seen from Obsidian – notably his recent IMF post – has been antagonistic to Whites, contrary to your claim. Racial divisions are innate, biological, insurmountable.
Loving females is not pussy worship. I oppose misandry, and love females, but I do not pedestalize them. We live in a misandric environment, yes, but the answer is not misogyny.
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Horseshit: if THEY don’t like it – let THEM form a protest group.
What, blacks and Hispanics suddenly DON’T form protest groups at the drop of a hat?
You are blind.
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Sometimes Firepower you really get things wrong. It is protested just not for what it is, misandry. The spearhead deals in misandry. The minority types think everything is race when it is not that was the point. And your desire to be special keeps you from seeing the point.
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Taking a little soil test of these shit fits, I note the following prose:
‘Even something as frou-frou as cake decorating is dominated by a goateed Baltimore thug—Chef Duff from Ace of Cakes—who is at best a lovable jerk. Women, meanwhile, are left holding the cupcakes.’
It has the spicy note of being a little high on testosterone oriented wit for a girl. If you don’t see problems down the road with one like this… well, I have seen enough female hand writing to look for feminine doodlings, xxxoooos, and dotting an I with a circle to see a problem here. Yet it falls short on the final assembly because I am left with a forced literary device “cup cakes”. I would have said left holding the pastry bag. That is because my device needs something more logical like a play on a cliche` rather than the mental doodle of a bakery item.
Its the sort of thing someone with confused gender identity would write. Sarcasm and sardonic wit, along with the implied contempt for things feminine by the use of “frou-frou”, should be enough to see the source of her problem. Her references to support her argument are as empty as a pot of cast iron after a day of rustling on the trail . Men have been cooking for a very long time.
“With such studly role models, it was inevitable that men would start to see the home kitchen as a place to settle in.”
Ever hear of a chuck wagon sweetie? Not invented by feminism.
http://www.cowboycooking.com/chuck-wagon-cooking.html
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Pussy worship is another way of saying pedestalizing women. Who the hell mentioned misogyny as a solution to anything. You are projecting a lot here.
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Fine. Whatever. We can argue about genetic, biological and statistical data, science and pseudo-science until we all die of old age.
It’s all a wonderful academic debate, but so what? What does it mean in terms actual social and legal policy? Because without a plan, all your facts and figures are just mildly interesting trivia. We don’t live in a carefully controlled and sealed laboratory.
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goldenfetus wrote
I’m ignorant concerning the specifics of feminism outside the 20th century, so I can’t comment directly on your historical references.
Then perhaps you have nothing more to add to this discussion.
Since the bulk of human evolution occurred in prehistory, there is simply no solid basis for making claims about default human behavior it’s all speculation and inference based on what is known about us over
the last 5,000 years or so.
No it isn’t. Human mating patterns (men stay put, women disperse) is written into our genetic signature. The data we have in that regard sticks out like a sore thumb.
I think it’s the other way around alpha males are the source of power, not the beneficiaries.
Whatever. I say po-tay-toe, you say po-tah-toe. My entire point was that advanced societies could not be undermined by feminism without female herding behaviors. Whether alpha males egg them on or whether females themselves initiate the behavior is something I’ll leave to others to figure out.
I agree with you that female suffrage is a significant problem that needs to be reversed, but it’s still a SOCIAL problem, not a biological one.
The function of an effective society is to provide social solutions to biologically-based problems. So you’re engaging in meaningless hair-splitting.
I don’t necessarily object to the content of the sources you provided, but I do not see how they support your claim that White males are closer to chimpanzees or men of other races than to White females.
I wasn’t the one who made the original claim. Reread my references. If you want to argue the conclusions of the MIT geneticist quoted in the Slate article, take it up with him.
Maybe males and females can be looked at as having different genomes, hypothetically, but those genomes are nearly identical.
Effectively, they’re not. According to this Wikipedia article,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosome#Genes about 2% of the total DNA in the cell of a human male is on the Y-chromosome. Also, in the wired.com article, geneticist Huntington Willard reported extensive variation of gene activity on the X-chromosome which never occurs in men. Extensive gene activity has been found in women’s Barr body, which was previously thought to be inactive. That’s the basis for his claim that there are effectively two human genomes, not one.
Race differences are biological. No matter how much conditioning or social engineering the libs employ they will always exist. There can be, and has been, peace between the genders they can complement each other and work together lovingly but there never has been peace between races.
I’m no open-borders advocate, and understand that people that are too different tend not to get along too well, but I’m not sure why you’re bringing it to a gender-issues forum.
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There is nothing in the above paragraph that I would disagree with, but while true, I think it’s still a deadend.
1. In the last forty years, white males (at least in America, which is all I know much about) have a lot of reason to be distrustful of African-Americans. Whites, especially men, have been repeatedly screwed by the so-called ‘civil rights movement’. If you don’t know that you haven’t been paying attention.
2. But so what? Where has all this reverse racism gotten black males? Absolutely nowhere. In fact, while black women have benefitted somewhat from institutionalized racism, black men are quickly becoming totally irrelevant in American society. In America black men are in existential crisis.
3. And guess what? Though we are doing better than blacks, white males are becoming irrelevant too. Feminists are already dancing metaphorically on our graves, though I believe prematurely.
4. The MRM cannot and will not be successful as a white-only movement. It can never gather enough support if it becomes a racist movement. That is a simple fact.
5. White men and black men need to come together as men’s rights advocates. We need each other. We don’t have to love each other, and we don’t even have to completely trust each other, but we sure as hell have a lot of common interests. Each of us brings something important to the table.
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@greyghost
When you equate revering women with pussy worship (pussy whipped white goddess shit), and with consideration to your word choice, it comes across as misogynistic. Also, do you even know what projecting means? I don’t hate women, and I don’t see that anything I said can reasonably be interpreted as misogyny.
@Ray Manta
Does failing to pretend to know everything disqualify me from saying anything? Seriously??
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I don’t accept that “men stay put, women disperse” IS the natural human mating pattern, but if you will provide sources I’m interested to read them. We only have written records of anything for the last 5 or 6 thousand years – which is a relatively short piece of our history as a species – so I don’t see how you could possibly corroborate any claims about what humans did prior to that. And most of what we know even about the last 5,ooo years is incomplete, speculative, and/or debated.
It’s not meaningless at all when taken in context. My point is that males and females CAN complement each other and have mutually-beneficial relationships and DO require each other. I am contrasting this with races – which CANNOT share territory and a common culture and DO NOT require one another.
As for the genetic issue, here is the original article the slate article referenced for the chimp statement:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70E1EF93A5C0C7A8DDDAF0894DB404482&incamp=archive:search&pagewanted=2
There are very few genes on the Y-chromosome, and any X-chromosomes can have male or female sources (for females from either parent, for males from mother or maternal grandfather).
The statement that doctor made seems to have been intentionally deceptive for sensationalist purposes. I’m inferring this from the article:
That logic doesn’t even pass the common sense test. The genes, activated or not, are still part of the genome. You can’t exclude or include them from a genome based on their activation – which would only affect the phenotype of the organism in question. The point is, males and females have VERY few differences on genes themselves, but perhaps large differences caused by gene activation, hormones, etc. Correct me where I’m wrong. I should also note that his hypothesis seems to still be controversial.
@V10 and buck swamp
I believe the most important lesson is that races cannot live together in peace – that one race will eventually subjugate or overwhelm the other. As Thomas Jefferson put it:
“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. ”
Blacks have been and are growing as a percentage of the population of America. It’s not easy to see immediately because Hispanic growth has also been astronomical, and Hispanics are counted as White, but if you compare census statistics for nonhispanic Blacks and Whites you’ll see what I mean. The problem is that eventually Whites (excluding Hispanics) are going to be a minority in their own country. Since the other races are biologically disinclined to maintain Western civiliation – and are perhaps incapable of it – if the population trends are not reversed through policy Whites will cease to exist in the long run. So the situation we have is one where Whites are technologically, culturally, and economically funding their own extermination. Nonwhites in White countries pose an existential threat to Whites. Feminism does not. It may impact the birth rate, but it could never get to the point where no new White children were being born.
Race is a far more important issue than gender. The genders are two halves of a whole, while the races are natural competitors for territory and resources. Allies must be chosen based on their net impact – their net affinity or enmity. In almost every case the interests of black men and white men are more opposed than they are aligned.
It is feminism in collaboration with racial integration that will destroy the West. One is designed to decrease the number of Whites, while the other is designed to increase the number of nonwhites. For any White man, ignoring the obvious fact that these two movements are fronts in a single war that exists solely to destroy him is suicide
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““Even if feminism ended tommorow, the multicultural problem will persist. Probably 9/10 of the men here are white, but don’t seem to grasp this yet. They imagine that race is a social construct, and it means nothing. They even quote the line “it’s just pigmentation.””
You know that back in the day CIA agents broke up all kinds of revolutionary groups using the exact same shit that you guys are talking about.”
Correct. The thing is that the anti-multiculturalist neo-con crowd don’t actually care about anti-feminism. They simply want to make anti-feminism an arena for picking up supporters for their cause, for spreading their half-baked and opportunistic ideas.
There are plenty, plenty of arenas for the neo-conservative, “saving western civilization”, “anti-multiculturalism” stuff. In recent years it has encroached on the core of political debate itself.
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“It is feminism in collaboration with racial integration that will destroy the West.”
This is neo-con nonsense. Trying to equate feminism with “racial integration”, the same way they try to equate feminism and socialism.
Once again, these neo-cons don’t care about anti-feminism; they are not bothered about lying. For neo-cons, anti-feminism is just another platform they have to try and make themselves relevant to (e.g. say feminism = multiculturalism, so if you fight “multiculturalism” [their agenda] you fight feminism).
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And why should we care about “the West”? Feminism and “the West” are synonymous.
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And again, so what?
“Whites are being outbred”. OK. Fine. We heard you the first time. Your population data is unassailable.
What. Is. The. Fucking. Plan?
And don’t try to sidestep with some BS about ‘awareness raising’ and ‘spreading the word’. You’ve already established that we’re facing racial armageddon, that drastic action is needed, right now. The President (we’ll pretend it’s not Obama) is standing by to declare martial law and enact your proposal to save us. So what is it?
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I’m not a neo-con, and you haven’t offered any reasons this is nonsense. Feminism, racial integration/equality, socialism, multiculturalism, fat acceptance, gay ‘rights’, anti-imperialism, etc ARE all faces of the same thing – fronts in the same war. They operate the same way, have the same supporters, and the same goals. The serpent-tongued ones go to each group that has traditionally been ‘marginalized’ (because they produce less or are less capable) and tell them the source of their trouble is the ‘oppression’ of White males. At the heart of every one of these movements is hysterical wrath towards straight white males and their imperialist/patriarchal dominance. White men have given the world almost everything of value in modern times, so the jealous groups who cannot share in this heritage fill their hearts with resentment and lust for Western desolation. I consider this self-evident.
Well, I don’t know who you are, so how can I answer? Not everyone should, as not everyone is served by the West. Let all peoples determine their own fates free of outside aggression or parasitism, including Whites and males, and there will be no problem. I am a White male, so I DO care about the West. I realize it’s an abstract concept, but I also think we all know what it means. And I think that any White males who do not care about its preservation are suicidal fools. It is their heritage, an extension of their nature, and the only civilization on Earth they belong to. When it’s dead, Whites are dead.
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What exactly was the benefit in being a white male before multiculturalism?
Back in 1914 when white males ruled the world, a bunch of white alphas started a war that destroyed the lives of millions of other white males, most conscipts, under the most hellish conditions imaginable. Great Britain loved it’s white men so much that it sacrificed over a million of them in four years, ostensibly to guarantee the independence of fucking Belgium!
Although America had no vital interests in Europe at the time, America eventually had to get in on the fun, too, losing almost two-hundred thousand white male lives in less than two years of fighting. (My own grandfather was gassed in that stupid war and lived the rest of his life as an invalid on a meager pension.
And guess what? Twenty years later the alphas did it all again.
I say: Fuck misandric white western culture! Instead of being white or black, from now on let’s just be men.
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“Feminism, racial integration/equality, socialism, multiculturalism, fat acceptance, gay ‘rights’, anti-imperialism, etc ARE all faces of the same thing – fronts in the same war.”
That’s the whole point, they’re not. Though neo-conservative types pretend that they are, for their own reasons.
Ever hear of feminist neo-cons?
Neo-cons want anti-feminists to think that feminism and multiculturalism are the same thing, so that we become supporters of their agenda. E.g. by opposing multiculturalism/socialism, say – whether it actually makes sense and benefits anti-fem or not.
Feminism, “new leftism”, trade unionism, socialism, multiculturalism, racial integration are not all the same thing and the same trend. It’s simply neo-con opportunistic polemic to suggest that they are.
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I see no reason for an anti-feminist to give blind allegiance to a crazytrain western civilization – that seems positively counter-productive and nonsensical actually. Regardless of who is “responsible” for western civilization. Anti-feminism isn’t the movement to save western civilization, even if neo-cons want to make it so (note that there are already a multitude of platforms for such an agenda). Anti-feminism is simply that – anti-feminism – critique of feminism, deconstructing it, stopping and preventing it [note conflict between anti-feminism and pro-western civilization]. Feminism is opposed not because it keeps the “wrong company” (or used to) – because it supports anti-war, anti-imperialist, new left types [which btw is less and less true if it ever was true in the first place]. Feminism rather opposed as a problem in and of itself.
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This is my favorite paean to our western civ heritage:
Did they beat the drum slowly?
Did they play the fife lowly?
Did they sound the death-march as they lowered you down?
Did the band play the last post and chorus?
Did the pipes play “The Flowers of the Forest”?
–The Green Fields of France by Eric Bogle
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While I’m sure the anarchist left probably attracts more female participants than the radical right, it seems like they still feel like women aren’t as interested.
I would not be so certain about that one. I have had some dealings with anarchists (admittedly of the punk rock variety) and they do seem to be mainly young men. There is some lip service about ending sex based systems of hierarchy or whatever, but when it comes down to it, these punks seem to be pretty much doing what young men do in any alienated society, which is to form warrior bands. I suspect that if they were to be approached correctly, they could be pointed in a MRA direction. There is already a sector called National Anarchists which promote anarchy from an anti-PC tendency.
As things continue to disintegrate in the Western world, expect to see more along these lines. If we can provide a little leadership and a little ideological direction, we may be back in the driver’s seat.
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Screed of Momus: Anarcho-Misogyny, Revisited http://t.co/YxQfMEt
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‘Women do not conspire against tyrants; and they are of course, friendly against tyrannies since under them they have a good time.’
Aristotle
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Anarcho-Misogyny: Confronting Hypergamy http://t.co/HZOd0Nh The latest on the topic is up…read and let me know what you think!
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I agree with the posts criticizing the ones against so-called ‘multiculturalism’? Yes liberals and leftists tend to be anti-white but not all black, brown etc. males are. Many of them are cool. Of course they’re going to be against racism but not all believe that white = racist as leftists do. It’s just more divide and conquer tactics if you ask me. You want a men’s rights movement it has to be open to ALL men.
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If the open-to-all-men Democrat Party is a diseased failure, WHAT makes you think a tiny MRM depends upon total inclusion?
Peace n’ Love, man.
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Women are “winning”?
Yay! Women are winning! Women are Winning! Today the USA..Tomorrow Space.. Yay! You guys better watch out here we come! We got vaginas and everything. Yay!
The ridiculousness of my post mirrors the ridiculousness of the comments that women are somehow “winning” some imagery man vs. woman battle.
This blog is a real trip.
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There is NO reason that race can’t be discussed. As long as the topic stays relevent to the thread there should, by rights, be no disconnect between the MRM and the predicament of white men in the West.
ONLY YOUR PROGRAMMING PREVENTS YOU DISCUSSING RACE.
Again: ONLY your programming makes the issue of race so terryifying to you younger guys. To those of us old enough to remember society pre-PC it was once OK to carry on a civil discusssion about anything. You kids today are so terrified of stigmatism that you all just lock up at the mention of how closely the MRM dovetails with the plight of white men. It should, since “white men” are a sub-set of “men”.
In different ways feminism affects black men just as adversely as it does white men. Black men, AND THEIR ISSUES, are yet another subset of the “Men’s” part of “MRM”.
Running scared just b/c the race issue is discussed IN THE CONTEXT OF MRM is just as weak and whiny and effeminate as ignoring the plight of men in general.
I don’t think it’s wrong to discuss white men’s issues here as long as the brown and purple and green and orange and fuscia men can discuss THEIR specific issues too.
If it’s about men, it’s MRM.
As long as ad hominem and vulgarity and generally hateful and any directly exclusive stuff is avoided/policed why should the issue of race(in the context of MRM) be totally ignored?
Because a bunch of cunts might say bad things about us? Too late.
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As an addendum to my last post:
No- the MRM doesn’t need to be a white male movement. It just needs to be. And to avoid becoming anything but what it is.
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?”women do not conspire against tyrants; and they are of course friendly to tyrannies since under them they have a good time.”
-Aristotle
“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.”
-Plato
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breast-feeding is hard! …
… starbucks is easy!!!
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Gallup polls say “African-Americans” are “optimistic” concerning the future of America.
Seems women are no more eager to change things up.
Why! It’s almost like the two have something in common, women and “minorities”.
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