The Flipside of Feminism: Relief for the Discombobulated Woman

by careyroberts on March 15, 2011

American women out-vote, out-spend, and out-live their male counterparts. They enjoy an unrivaled array of lifestyle options.

But the fact remains, females have become a decidedly unhappy lot. As a National Bureau of Economic Research report explains, “As women have gained more freedom, more education, and more power, they have become less happy.”

How do we come to terms with this modern-day malady that has no name? The Flipside of Feminism, authored by Suzanne Venker and conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly, incisively diagnoses the problem, prescribes the common-sense cure, and above all, instills hope.

Think of it as a long-awaited reality check from your older, wiser sister.…

The advent of the feminine malaise can be tied to a historically unprecedented gerrymandering of gender roles, with its inevitable biological consequences. As journalist Anne Taylor Fleming once uttered in her maternal cri de coeur:

“I belong to the sisterhood of the infertile. I am a lonesome, babyless baby-boomer now completely consumed by the longing for a baby…I am tempted to roll down the window and shout, ‘Hey, hey, Gloria, Germaine, Kate. Tell us, how does it feel to have ended up without babies, children, flesh of your flesh. Was your ideology worth the empty womb?”

Over the past 30 years, American women have been swayed to believe they have been getting the short end of the stick at the hands of their patriarchal tormentors. Feminists “know it’s easy to get people to succumb to victimhood,” counsel Venker and Schlafly.

The process begins with women’s studies courses that parade themselves as “a training course for radical feminists in radical feminism.” Women’s magazines “are based on telling women their lives are too tough for them to handle and they should feel very sorry for themselves,” recounts former Ladies Home Journal editor Myrna Blyth.

The result is a hydra-headed social-political movement rooted in Marxist theory with a decidedly narcissistic twist – feminism is “inextricably linked to the individualist message,” reveals Dr. Jean Twenge in Generation Me.

The book’s juiciest revelations center around arch-feminist Betty Friedan and her childhood traumas. In Life So Far, Friedan reveals how her mother made her feel “messy, clumsy, inadequate, bad, naughty, ugly.” But rather than getting the psychological help she desperately needed, “It was easier for me to start the women’s movement than to change my own personal life,” Friedan incoherently boasts.

The specter of liberated women blaming men for their personal neuroses would become a leitmotif of American feminism. This pattern would soon evolve into a “full-scale assault on the American male,” as Venker and Schlafly put it.

In their chapter on The Expendable Male, the authors document the contemptuousness that defines modern feminism. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd once wrote, “Now that women don’t need men to reproduce and refinance, the question is, will we keep you around?” And Jessica Bennett crowed in Newsweek how women will one day “rule the world.”

Venker and Schlafly end their adumbration of feminist misandry with this sober warning: “no society can thrive – or survive – when half its members believe they’re oppressed and the other half are told there is no reason for them to exist.”

For women accustomed to advancing their agenda by reflexively embracing their inner victim, The Flipside of Feminism’s prescription begins to resemble a 12-step program:

“Recognizing that feminism failed in its mission, that it is based on faulty assumptions and arguments, and that it drives a wedge between men and women and even among women, is the first step to recovery.”

And it’s up to sensible women to bring an end to it all:

“If change is going to come, it will have to come from women – they are the ones who changed the nature order of things. Moreover, men aren’t the ones who kvetch about their place in the world – not because they have it so great (contrary to feminist dogma), but because it’s not in their nature.”

For the die-hard ideologues, this may be the hard part:

“We must stop talking about women’s rights, women’s needs, women’s problems, and progress for women. We must stop talking about girl power and female empowerment, and about overturning a patriarchy that doesn’t exist. When we frame the debate in feminist lingo, we foster a war between the sexes. It’s time to end the war between the sexes.”

Over the past 30 years, feminism has sought to expunge from women the primal delights of conjugal partnership, of nurturing motherhood, and of familial constancy. Now, Suzanne Venker and Phyllis Schlafly are courageously calling on women to take a stand against feminism, or risk losing the goose that laid the golden egg.

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The Private Man March 15, 2011 at 08:55

Women have been empowered to be unhappy.

As for Betty Friedan, she openly admits that she refused to change herself but rather changed the world to suit her needs, astounding.

Give women exactly what they want and they still want more.

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Uncle Elmer March 15, 2011 at 09:00

“As women have gained more freedom, more education, and more power, they have become less happy.”

All they really need is a good roguring.

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Ken March 15, 2011 at 09:00

The end is the beginning….is the end! :)
Reap what you sow, Sisters of Marx.
Alas, we cannot fault you for not possessing a “crystal ball” to see what the end result of your revolt from nature would entail, but surely there are just a few among you whom secrely desired it this way and at this particular end,
for there always are a very distinct clutch of people whom cannot be satisfied until all the world around them has burned to a dark cinder .

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Rebel March 15, 2011 at 09:04

“But the fact remains, females have become a decidedly unhappy lot.”

Not a bad outcome: unhappy people tend to work harder as compensation.

There is also the question of the bed that was made…

Nice try, ladies, but this will have the same effect as a fart in the wind.

And as they say: Ask me if I care…

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Evil Penis March 15, 2011 at 09:17

As more and more literature surfaces about the evils of feminism, especially that written by women, all of the power they (feminists) have will dwindle and eventually return to the dark cesspit it came from.

Then maybe we can all be happy.

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 09:20

Women’s magazines “are based on telling women their lives are too tough for them to handle and they should feel very sorry for themselves, …the authors document the contemptuousness that defines modern feminism… “Now that women don’t need men to reproduce and refinance, the question is, will we keep you around?”… are courageously calling on women to take a stand against feminism, or risk losing the goose that laid the golden egg.

American women, especially educated white liberal career women, having tough lives and to feel sorry for herself – the thought is hysterical. Modern western women do hold men in much contempt. I wonder how many men realize that truth? Either way, thousands more men do acknowledge that daily. Hopefully, the women will decide not to keep men around or bring men around in the first place actually doing men a favor. The golden goose in terms of men’s ongoing long-term support and ongoing social cohesion and economic stability are already being cooked away thanks to feminism, PC culture, and the resulting big-government.

Question is, are men going to be willing to trust and come to the aid of women in the future after what we have experienced in society and from women?

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meistergedanken March 15, 2011 at 09:23

Well-written article!

Unfortunately, I don’t know who listens to Phyllis anymore – her heyday was 25 years ago. It’s not an easy thing to regain cultural relevance in the eyes of the MSM. Perhaps Venker has more pull…

“We must stop talking about women’s rights, women’s needs, women’s problems, and progress for women. We must stop talking about girl power and female empowerment, and about overturning a patriarchy that doesn’t exist. ”

How about you cover all the bases and just stop talking, period?

A sandwich would be nice, too.

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Keyster March 15, 2011 at 09:26

I have that book on order. Suzanne Venker appears to be taking the torch of SoCon woman who criticizes feminism from Schlafly as her life winds down. A man would and could NEVER openly say what they say.

http://www.suzannevenker.com/default.html

FYI – http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen is going to cover False Rape Accusation tonight. We’ve got some police audio of a false rape accusor you’ve gotta hear. Listener warning! This might be pretty traumatic for some people. Mr. Elam is gonna hit the subject hard. If you don’t get goose bumps after this one, you’re not human.

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dawn March 15, 2011 at 09:27

I am Free!!! I have thrown off the chains of feminism. I am so happy that there are women out there who understand the bondage that women have been under since feminism has gone mainstream (for lack of better word). I believe that there is a movement going on now that is really wanting to free women from the HEAVY yoke of feminism. And I know from experience that it is a yoke, a bondage, a prison. When I realized a few years ago that feminism was satan’s idea to ruin the world, I made every effort to get away. This is a prison that is very hard to leave, you don’t realize that some of the ideas that seem so good are really subtle feminist ideology. Like the Israelites out of Egypt, God led them in the wilderness for forty years to get Egypt out of them, So it will take a while to get feminism out of us.

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SingleDad March 15, 2011 at 09:28

Feminists have been 5 steps ahead of men for my entire life and probably well before that.

Don’t count them out. Where are our big victories?

It’s like telling unionized workeers that their union is a bad idea. Do you know who they have to rely on, the union, they are the only ones who will fight for you at work.

Feminism has fought hard and one female supremecy. Hitlary and Hardwoman from England are having international meetings right along side the G8 meetings.

Sending us a message are they? I think so.

Women are unhappy humans. Most of you guys have been married. Don’t you know this?

To say feminism is making women unhappy and then they look at sex in the city and think, you guys are me a bridge….I want sex in the city.

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Eric March 15, 2011 at 09:28

Two points jumped out at me from this article.
1. “Over the past 30 years, American women have been swayed to believe they have been getting the short end of the stick at the hands of their patriarchal tormentors. Feminists “know it’s easy to get people to succumb to victimhood,” counsel Venker and Schlafly.”
-This supports what I have have always felt about the feminist movement; that it is merely the most acute symptom of a larger disease, an obsession with victim-hood status, plaguing modern society. In this sense, feminists are no different than racial minorities blaming the white devil for keeping them down, or religious nuts with delusions of persecution. They are merely more prevalent because their brand of victimhood crosses ethnic, racial, and economic boundaries.
2. “For women accustomed to advancing their agenda by reflexively embracing their inner victim, The Flipside of Feminism’s prescription begins to resemble a 12-step program.”
- Let’s hope not since 12 step programs have a 90+% failure rate.

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Old Guy March 15, 2011 at 09:41

They are preaching to the choir. Feminists and the MSM could care less what any book with Phylis Schlafley’s name on it says.

They are all Progressives/Democrats first and Feminists second. Feminism isn’t about liberating women, it’s about getting them to reliably vote Democrat. Just like Civil Rights isn’t about liberating Black people, it’s about getting them to reliably vote Democrat. Immigration reform isn’t about rights for illegal immigrants, it’s about getting them to reliably vote Democrat.

I could go on through the laundry list of causes, but you get the picture. Whenever one of their protected victims gets in the way of the plan, they get thrown under the bus. If any member of a certified victim group strays off the plantation, they are attacked until they are driven off the stage. Clarence Thomas and Sarah Palin come to mind. Bill Cosby saw what the response was when he simply proposed a different path to saving Black people.

These people are going to have to be thrown out of power. Like a weed, they have huge roots set into the system and feed off of everything. It is amazing when you think about it, but the US Left is only 20% of the adult population, yet they are the ones who set priorities in almost every area. All dialog on the direction of our country and culture happens using their terminology. It is only with their utter political defeat that we will see an end to the various manifestations of Progressive Cultural Rot.

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demirogue March 15, 2011 at 09:44

The term NAWALT underscores just how ridiculous modern women are viewed and have become because of THEIR OWN ACTIONS. Every time it’s mentioned, does that not show us all just how low they’ve really sunk? NAWALT my ass.

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HerbN March 15, 2011 at 09:45

In the end I think I’m a prime example of the fundamental damage feminism has done that dooms any attempt to change course.

I don’t give a shit about the future of our society. As a 44 year old childless male with no real hope for companionship or children why should I. I’m betting we have enough cultural momentum to see me through to my death (about 30 years) and doing my own thing to make sure I can survive if I’m off on my bet about five years.

For most of this decade I’ve been saying I’m the most dangerous thing for a society: a mature male with no long term investment in it. Feminism has worked very hard to create a generation or two of men where men like me are the plurality if not an out and out majority.

Now Gottlieb, Hymowitz, and so on want men like me (or more to the point my younger peers) to man up because they realize that when a quarter of the population has no investment in the future there will not be one.

Women can 100% change tomorrow but having poisoned two generations of men they are relying on the same cultural momentum I am, but their bet is on much longer odds. I need it to survive enough to not have our coming Muslim overlords burning my house and shooting me. As a single white male of the book they’ll just make me pay a tax most likely. Women are betting on getting a generation of men to resist that final thrust and save them.

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Rebel March 15, 2011 at 09:47

Women will have to fix the problem they have created. Nobody else can do that for them.

Even if they try hard, it will take two generations at least to get the poison out IF women work VERY hard at fixing THEIR problems.

Don’t hold your breath, brothers: they will blame men instead. So much easier that way.

The only positive thing I could see here is that women in other countries will see what has happened to Western women and decide to opt out before feminism grabs their sould.

Other than that, Western women are pretty much a complete write-off.

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Rebel March 15, 2011 at 09:47

Sould= soul.
Sorry: typo again.
Grrrr!

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Phil March 15, 2011 at 09:50

Feminism is marxism applied to the sexes. Instead of the capitalists oppressing the workers, feminism says that men and the traditional family unit are the “oppressors” and that women are the “oppressed”. A housewife is, according to marxist feminism, a separate and “oppressed class”. Housewives/Women can “liberate” themselves from that “oppression” by becoming a career woman(separating themselves from the oppressive men and family). Teenage girls are now taught to prepare themselves to be a career woman, not a housewife.

The results of feminism on an ethnic group are a drastic decline in birthrates and hostility between the sexes.

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dragnet March 15, 2011 at 09:52

In some ways, Schafly and her co-author are right on the money regarding the overreaches and abuses of feminism…However, in my opinion a lot of solutions are really just a socially conservative version of misandry. She basically wants men to go back to being tethered to complaining wives and mewling children, reprising their former roles as the pack-mules of civilization. For instance, she talks about the “right” of a woman to be supported by husband. Is she serious??

We live an era where a many of the same jobs can be done by men & women. The issue isn’t so much that women can finally support themselves, the issue is that we have a feminized public education system and gov’t legislation that are bestowing unfair competitive advantages upon women & girls at the expense of men & boys. This regime is backed up by tax dollars and an array of moneyed interest groups which further excaberates the problem. The solution to this isn’t to force women back into the kitchen and force men to go to back working 12 hour days to support them only to drop dead at 55 from heart trouble and exhaustion. The solution is to unwind the feminist, gov’t complex that suborns the advancement of one gender at the expense of the other, and permit full, free and fair competition.

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Mickey T March 15, 2011 at 09:53

Oooh, they ate too much candy and got themselves sick.
But they never cared who they hurt or killed on their fulfillment binge.
Will men just say (as they expect), all is forgiven and take them back as before?
Or will men momentarily put down the hot wings and the Bud Lite, turn off the plasma big screen and smile saying “how sweet it is”.

But next comes the part where men are the fault because they let them do it, of course, making their unhappiness the responsibility of men

Phyliss Schlafly is a rare gem. She is woman worthy of great respect. ALL men should read her website, “The Eagle Forum”.

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demirogue March 15, 2011 at 09:53

I agree with Herb. I’m close to 40 and I’ve not only lost my faith in women, I’ve lost it in my country. And I really don’t care what happens to it.

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Gendeau March 15, 2011 at 09:56

it’s up to sensible women to bring an end to it all

Wow, now I know that society is in deep doodoo.

Bit late ‘ladies’,
there’s a generation or two of wimminz out there that are entitled and childless, and NOW you’re going to tell them that the bleedership’s pet theories are worthless and they should start giving their privileges?

Men’s trust and illusions of women have taken a hell of a battering, you think that we’re going to forgive and forget? Don’t expect a rush to marriage too soon

Note to self:
need more beer and popcorn, it’s going to be interesting watching from a distance.

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BeijaFlor March 15, 2011 at 09:58

‘American women out-vote, out-spend, and out-live their male counterparts. They enjoy an unrivaled array of lifestyle options. But the fact remains, females have become a decidedly unhappy lot.’

I have to echo Rebel’s remark about the bed that was made….

Right, gents: The grrrls wanted equality; our forefathers ceded them equality. The grrrls wanted support; our courts gave them support. The grrls wanted, and wanted, and wanted, and we gave, and gave, and gave.

And they’re still unhappy. (Sarcasm mode on) Poor widdle things. They want evewyt’ing the boys have, plus their dollies, plus their entitlements, plus equawity of oppo’tunity, plus equawity of results, plus ‘the lifestyle to which they wanted to become accustomed’ … (Sarcasm mode off, I’ve had enough of writing baby-talk with an Elmer Fudd accent.)

And now the State and the Courts have given them all they wanted. And they’re still unhappy. Pity-party, everyone … Awwwww! Poor baby!

Poor dears. You’re down in a deep hole that you dug for yourself. If you hadn’t been so adamant about chasing the men away and blaming us for it all, we might be there to help. But now you’re just going to have to dig yourself a staircase. Hint: Like the mule in the well, shake off the dirt and step up.

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djc March 15, 2011 at 10:04

Like Rebel, I no longer care. It’s too late for me. I love my life more now that I am free of women. Why would I want to mess up such a good thing by involving myself with another psychopath? Ain’t gonna happen.

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AfOR March 15, 2011 at 10:18

I don’t want a recovered, repentant, born again, ex feminist.

Fuck you all, as a sex.

I want you all eradicated from the gene pool, and all your get.

I will however allow you to suck my dick, if you get on your knees.

The wimminz will have to discover that like the manginas that caved in and undermined Men, there will always be enough women who will cave in to suck my cock to undermine the wimmins.

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Uncle Elmer March 15, 2011 at 10:18

I am outraged! Google( Bali’s Kuta cowboys ).

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dragnet March 15, 2011 at 10:22

@ AfOR

Women generally go with the flow—they pick whoever seems to be winning at the time. Right now, most are going along with the abuses of feminism because they’re in vogue. As soon as the tide turns they’ll flee the USS Feminism like rats scurrying off a sinking ship.

Most women (and most people, generally) are sheep. It’s just a fact of life. No sense in being pissed at the masses.

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BeijaFlor March 15, 2011 at 10:35

Following some links on the Suzanne Venker website (cited above), I ran into this – I re-post it here for mutual enjoyment:

“I never have understood this. Majoring in engineering prepares you for a career as an engineer. Does majoring in women’s study prepare you to be a woman? Same question for black studies. What if you are a white male and DOUBLE major in women’s studies and black studies? Does that prepare you to be a black woman the rest of your life? This is very confusing.”

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Russ March 15, 2011 at 10:42

If change is going to come, it will have to come from women – they are the ones who changed the nature order of things. Moreover, men aren’t the ones who kvetch about their place in the world – not because they have it so great (contrary to feminist dogma), but because it’s not in their nature.

The above quote is the fatal flaw in the ladies’ argument.

Women are too entrenched a part of the problem to be a meaningful part of the solution.

If this problem is to be solved, the solution will have to come from those of us men who have been most harmed by feminism (and all the other evil “liberal”-isms) banding together and fighting back.

The Spearhead is, well, the spearpoint of this movement.

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meistergedanken March 15, 2011 at 10:49

demirogue:
“I agree with Herb. I’m close to 40 and I’ve not only lost my faith in women, I’ve lost it in my country. And I really don’t care what happens to it.”

I’m another one who is right there with you. In fact, I turned 39 today. Am taking steps to not be caught offguard WTSHTF….
I recently purchased my first firearm, and am buying as much physical silver as my disposable income allows. Next item: a generator.

In a kingdom of blind men, the man with one [good] eye is King.

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Royce Geist March 15, 2011 at 10:49

Men aren’t needed eh?

Just wait till we come out with some good vr and sexbot tech then we’ll see, we’ll see.

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Confused March 15, 2011 at 10:50

“I belong to the sisterhood of the infertile. I am a lonesome, babyless baby-boomer now completely consumed by the longing for a baby…I am tempted to roll down the window and shout, ‘Hey, hey, Gloria, Germaine, Kate. Tell us, how does it feel to have ended up without babies, children, flesh of your flesh. Was your ideology worth the empty womb?”

This is the viewpoint you have when everything is someone elses fault. I’ve found this lack of accountability to be pretty common amongst the softer sex. Fine, be angry at folks who pushed an idiotic viewpoint. It was still your decision to follow them and hence your responsibility not Gloria, Germaine or Kate’s.

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Confused March 15, 2011 at 10:53

New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd once wrote, “Now that women don’t need men to reproduce and refinance, the question is, will we keep you around?” And Jessica Bennett crowed in Newsweek how women will one day “rule the world.”

On the other hand we have…
“If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts”
Camille Paglia

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CM March 15, 2011 at 10:53

Good summery of the events… I recently had to read a article for my english 102 class (a class i’ve already taken but my university decided to not give me credit) by Maureen Dowd, her writing was a epitome of post modern editorial essay drenched with “you go girl” incantations and maternal emotionalism “backed up” by statistics and personal anecdotes. It had a pretentious title, and started off with the feminist adorned credentials awarded to her by the “alpha male” vagina worshippers. It was featured in our text book, and the piece itself would have been better handed over to a 6th grader to write for respectability.

“If change is going to come, it will have to come from women – they are the ones who changed the nature order of things. Moreover, men aren’t the ones who kvetch about their place in the world – not because they have it so great (contrary to feminist dogma), but because it’s not in their nature.”

Who ever said that is somewhat on the right track. Men generally keep the order of nature. Women however are their worst enemy. They always venture into inappropriate places, and therefore are force of chaos, as men are the force of order.

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Sedulous March 15, 2011 at 10:59

Well, the fish said they didn’t NEED a bicycle, now they’re crying because they don’t HAVE a bicycle. Go piss on Betty Friedan’s grave.

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Mark Trueblood March 15, 2011 at 11:04

I’m sure I would agree with most of what they say in the book, and I appreciate the effort. Best of luck to them.

But with all due respect, they’re trying to glue back together a vase they dropped on the floor decades ago.

Too little, too late.

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Evil Penis March 15, 2011 at 11:09

I found an article by the author of ‘The Flipside of Feminism’, Phylis Schlafly…

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2011/feb11/11-02-11.html

Sorry if it has been posted before.

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 11:10

Feminism has worked very hard to create a generation or two of men where men like me are the plurality if not an out and out majority.

Men’s trust and illusions of women have taken a hell of a battering, you think that we’re going to forgive and forget? Don’t expect a rush to marriage too soon

I’ve not only lost my faith in women, I’ve lost it in my country. And I really don’t care what happens to it.

The solution is to unwind the feminist, gov’t complex that suborns the advancement of one gender at the expense of the other, and permit full, free and fair competition.

You guys are brilliant! My own predictions is that while women are survivors, skilled at letting men take the bullet for them, this time it’s different with men refusing to take the bullet or the bullet being too powerful to stop. Society and women have become too morally corrupt and men are now too unsure of themselves and too passive to stand up and fight back in a direct manner. Women are becoming more disgusted with feminism on the surface yet are more entitled, spoiled, and immoral than ever. Men are MGTOW, ghosting, and more yet will it be enough?

Society has become so toxic and something unknown is needed to come in and sterilize the house. There are dark days ahead.

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Redpill March 15, 2011 at 11:17

I’m very skeptical of this whole idea of women discarding feminism.

Let me get this straight, women are leaving hardcore feminism because its not working for them? Its the same old same. Me me me. Jumping from one ideology to another as convenient. Dumping feminism not because its bad for men, but because its bad for women. I’m not impressed.

What if someone comes up with a version feminist idea that does actually works for all women but is bad for men? Would they still ditch it? No way.

The way I see it, there are very few hardcore feminists and most other women just jump back and forth between feminism and anti-feminism as convenient at their particular stage in life.

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Firepower March 15, 2011 at 11:18

careyroberts

American women out-vote, out-spend, and out-live their male counterparts.

Then that means “game over, man.”

They’ve won.
And shall continue to flex their POWER in the practical field of application.
Remember who voted in OBAMA.
Imagine who comes after.

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Mickey T March 15, 2011 at 11:21

“I will however allow you to suck my dick, if you get on your knees.”

I don’t think you are aware of how much pleasure most women derive from giving oral sex to men.

I think we should dispense with such suggestions when used to degrade.

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buck swamp March 15, 2011 at 11:26

Feminism is making women unhappy? So what? Who cares anymore how women feel?

Schafly is just another conservative female supremacist, anyway. Been there, done that; have no intention of going back.

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BeijaFlor March 15, 2011 at 11:27

Place my vote with meistergedanken, demirogue, and Herb.

When I was younger, I felt sorry for myself that the women around me seemed to want nothing to do with me. Now I realize how lucky I was – and am: I had no one to “fall out of love with me” and divorce me; no children were taken away from me; there was no child support to impoverish me; no one to spend my money for me and kvetch that there isn’t more to spend; what I have, I earned myself, it’s mine and I still have it, and no one has a “legal excuse” to take it away from me. (Well, barring taxes.)

I take the “NAGs” rhetoric (check the “MahaRUSHi”) at face value. Women are strong, capable, and don’t need men? Fine. I’ve learned how to take care of myself, too. You want my job? A woman took over my post when I retired, two years ago, and welcome. You want what I’ve got? Earn it for yourself, as I did.

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Sedulous March 15, 2011 at 11:30

Then that means “game over, man.”

They’ve won.
And shall continue to flex their POWER in the practical field of application.
Remember who voted in OBAMA.
Imagine who comes after.

No, the game isn’t over. Not by a longshot. Keep striking/boycotting/ghosting and educating the younger men.

The unfortunate developments in Japan and other places serve as a reminder that women don’t build or repair society, men do. All they do is occupy cubicle farms and create more bureaucracy. Men are the innovators.

Boys who can’t seem to excel in feminized public schools are writing new apps for the iPhone. I gave up my plans for a Masters degree in favor of self education and experience.

Chaos is where male leadership really shines. Hanna Rosin is going to eat her words.

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Mark Trueblood March 15, 2011 at 11:34

Redpill- “Let me get this straight, women are leaving hardcore feminism because its not working for them? Its the same old same. Me me me.”

Better yet, these women want to wave the memory eraser over our heads and pretend like none of it ever happened.

From the article- “If change is going to come, it will have to come from women – they are the ones who changed the nature order of things.”

This callously presupposes that men haven’t changed in response to the last 40 years. Schlafly and Venker are just assuming we’re all waiting by the door, with our suitcases packed, ready to travel back to the 1950′s.

I’m not. I don’t want to have anything to do with that.

“One cannot turn a pickle back into a cucumber.” -Zed

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 15, 2011 at 11:34

dawn March 15, 2011 at 09:27
“So it will take a while to get feminism out of us.”

Dawn. We don’t believe you and we don’t trust you. Now go away. Us men are fed up with women who claim to be ‘ex-feminists’. We prefer women who never were feminists in the first place. There are PLENTY of them.

SingleDad March 15, 2011 at 09:28
“Women are unhappy humans.”

They sure are. My wife was miserable a LOT of the time despite having a life 99 of 100 women would KILL for. I’m so happy to be rid of her.

HerbN March 15, 2011 at 09:45
“For most of this decade I’ve been saying I’m the most dangerous thing for a society: a mature male with no long term investment in it.”

Almost correct. An EVEN MORE DANGEROUS man who HAD children but was stripped of them and fully intends to balance those books one day. One of the more remarkable transformations I went through due to the desensitisation I experienced when suicidal and dis-owning my children was this. I realised about a year later I can quite easily kill without remorse or conscience. Now. Who the HELL wants to create men of wealth and commitment that can kill without remorse? THAT is the most dangerous man there is. I know I am in the category of ‘most dangerous men’ and I’ve met a LOT of other men who feel the same. It the old “No one gave a shit about me when my children were kidnapped and abused? Well? I can return that favour.” I think a lot of the guys who were early into the mill who are coming to their 70s might just ‘balance them books’ now they are old men without much else to live for than the cold comfort of justice done right.

As far as ‘time to change’? The remedy is men hold women accountable for their actions, lawfully, in courts of law. If men do NOT do this? Then don’t complain as your society goes down the shitter. Men can defend themselves from the criminals in the legal fraternity by creating our own courts and backing them up with force.

Women WANT men to be in charge. Every single EEW I have met desperately wants a husband. THAT is why they talk to me. I look like I might be a prospect. And they are so desperate that even when I am NOT a prospect they talk to me anyway. A woman without a man to tell her what to do is aimless and often childless as well. Just check out the declining birth rates in Russia/Ukraine.

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Survivorman March 15, 2011 at 11:43

“..calling on women to take a stand against feminism, or risk losing the goose that laid the golden egg.”

There was a time when I may – or may not – have been that “goose”.

But make no mistake, they have well and truly *lost* me and whatever “golden eggs” I may have been capable of laying. Forever.

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buck swamp March 15, 2011 at 11:45

Venker and Schlafly end their adumbration of feminist misandry with this sober warning: “no society can thrive – or survive – when half its members believe they’re oppressed and the other half are told there is no reason for them to exist.”

Notice that, according to Venker and Schlafy, women believe they’re oppressed. Men are just passively being told there is no reason for them to exist. They’re too dumb to feel oppressed.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 15, 2011 at 11:56

Sedulous March 15, 2011 at 10:59
Well, the fish said they didn’t NEED a bicycle, now they’re crying because they don’t HAVE a bicycle. Go piss on Betty Friedan’s grave.

My take exactly. Fish? Bicycle? Go away and play with your bicycle. We don’t want you. We’ve found a good supply of women elsewhere who are not infected with your poison.

I used to be called ‘Mr. Relationships’ in the late 90s. I spent VAST amounts of time assisting people in relationships because I saw them as very important and very valuable. 12 years later? LOL!! The way I have been treated can never be remedied. I mean to say “What remedy is going to be given me for the kidnapping of my children and the ensuing child abuse?” Really? Is my ex going to be hung, drawn, quartered, and have her hear stuck on a spear in the town center as a deterent to OTHER women? I don’t think so. And even if she was? That would not be punishment enough for her abuse of my former children. I have a saying “cat food in a caravan”. This is how my ex is going to live out her days. I shall see to it.

So it hardly matters WHAT women say or WHAT women do. Men have left the building. We will no longer walk into the trap of ‘marriage’. I am going to tell young men my story, and back it up with the evidence, until I die. I am going to tell young men that the BEST of husbands and fathers was abused. That ALL BAR ONE western woman I knew was quite happy about that. That (almost) NO western women would help me. That life is MUCH better turning your back on ‘women and children’ and living a life of relative luxury and freedom. Young men are listening. It is not that hard to turn the ear of a young man when you tell him “I was given 5% of the proceeds of my earnings for 25 years. Here is the transcript.” Young men take notice of that. LOTS of them.

The manginas in their 40s like I used to be? They are a bunch of spineless whimps. 99% of them. Those manginas have rushed to the ‘defense’ of their women these last three years. Well? I have some news for the manginas. I am MORE disgusted in them than the women. And guess what? When I hammer a man as a mangina lackey? The WOMEN don’t feel the need to ‘leap to his defense’. How about that?

And I am now starting to point out to the young men the manginas. Below is a link of an example of me doing this. The Free Man area has it’s credibility in the balance now. The manginas refused to engage in the discussion about mens rights while pretending to be for ‘common law’. Darrell is promoting the ‘common law society’ in Ireland. Only problem is he refuses to answer the question as to whether women are to be held accountable before the law. If you want to go over her and mention how I have been trying to explain the free man ideas and common law to the MRM area for you only to see so called ‘leaders’ openly refusing to state women will be held accountable before the law? Feel free.

It is now time to attack the mangina lackeys like Darrell. If MRMs were not willing to cross over to share their stories of crimes to enroll the men in the Free Man area into MRM? Maybe you will be willing to cross over and call a mangina a mangina. Who knows? Men in the MRM area don’t like to do much of anything mostly. Just like men in the Free Man area. My overall disgust with the inaction of MEN is MUCH higher than my disgust in the crimes of women and THEIR inaction towards their other women.

http://tnsradio.ning.com/forum/topics/open-and-public-question-to

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SingleDad March 15, 2011 at 12:11

And women in other countries are so abused by their spouses we must put out a UN Action alert and send in the troops.

Their so unhappy that they divorce their husbands an order of magnitude less than Westen women. These numbers are so revealing:

Divorce rate per 1,000 population:
Thailand: 0.58
China: 0.79
Singapore: 0.8
Korea: 0.88
Finland: 1.85
Canada: 2.46
Australia: 2.52
New Zealand: 2.63
Denmark: 2.81
United Kingdom: 3.08
Russia: 3.36
Puerto Rico: 4.47
US: 4.95

http://www.divorcerate.org/divorce-rates-in-singapore.html

Honestly my worst nightmare would to still be married to an Ameri-skank and have to be considering my future according to her whims.

Bullet dodged.

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Mickey T March 15, 2011 at 12:11

@ buck swamp

Phyliss Schlafly is about as anti feminist as one can get. And she’s been DOING something about it for many years.
Doesn’t sound as if you’ve read her website or have seen her debate much. She has exposed more feminist wrong doing than I can remember.
Did you read the book, or are you making your assertions based what is stated here?

And Sir,
I believe know as much about treating your allys, as AFOR, with his “women can suck my dick” remarks, does about treating his enemies.

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Ken March 15, 2011 at 12:16

Just a little car~vs~grrl for your amusement…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePpNvzY218

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keyster March 15, 2011 at 12:23

Go piss on Betty Friedan’s grave.
Grave found here.

Don’t forget to take a picture of it.

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TFH March 15, 2011 at 12:24

The solution is simple :

1) Work less and pay less taxes.

2) Run Game on women until they have both a high partner count and are too old to get the same man they could have gotten at their peak (Wile E. Coyote moment).

3) Post flyers to get other men educated and aware, so that they may do the above two actions.

Feminism will thus collapse just as the USSR did. The process has already begun.

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buck swamp March 15, 2011 at 12:25

Mickey T said: Phyliss Schlafly is about as anti feminist as one can get. And she’s been DOING something about it for many years.
Doesn’t sound as if you’ve read her website or have seen her debate much. She has exposed more feminist wrong doing than I can remember.
Did you read the book, or are you making your assertions based what is stated here?

We need to all understand that someone can be both an anti-feminist and a female supremacist. I’m old enough to remember that Schlafy led the opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment. Her objection was that, while women should have all the rights of men, they should also have special choices (privileges) not available to men, should be protected by men, and should not be subject to the draft. That is what I call a female supremacist.

I realize that a lot of people will disagree with me, which is fine, but I oppose female supremacism as much as I do feminism. In fact, feminism is the ugly daughter of female supremacism.

Personally, I don’t want to go back to 1912 and men being shot to keep them out of the life boats. Schafly does.

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 12:27

The way I see it, there are very few hardcore feminists and most other women just jump back and forth between feminism and anti-feminism as convenient at their particular stage in life.

Women are opportunists even more so than the male gender. Whatever our faults, and we have them, men as a group or gender have a better sense of fair play and honor.

Remember who voted in OBAMA.

The same gender (females) that overwhelmingly voted more than men for the German Nazis and Italian Communists, and offered more ongoing support for the Soviets.

This callously presupposes that men haven’t changed in response to the last 40 years. Schlafly and Venker are just assuming we’re all waiting by the door, with our suitcases packed, ready to travel back to the 1950?s.

We’ve read a review of the book. I could be wrong yet I have some trouble believing that those women imagine western men will just forgive and forget, and they know things can never go back as too much has changed from gender relations to demographics etc the world is a different place. Back in the 70s, Phyllis called out feminism for what it is and how good women had it. She’s no idiot.

I’m not. I don’t want to have anything to do with that.

I’m the same as you. I have no intention of trusting women or caring about going back. I’m a pickle now.

Notice that, according to Venker and Schlafy, women believe they’re oppressed. Men are just passively being told there is no reason for them to exist. They’re too dumb to feel oppressed.

I didn’t get the impression they are suggesting that to their readers. They wrote: “no society can thrive – or survive – when half its members believe they’re oppressed and the other half are told there is no reason for them to exist.” They seem to be IMHO saying, especially to women, a warning that women and society must change simply to survive as society cannot continue with women playing and believing the poor-me victim charade while women and society continue misandry discounting men’s value and contributions.

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HerbN March 15, 2011 at 12:27

Almost correct. An EVEN MORE DANGEROUS man who HAD children but was stripped of them and fully intends to balance those books one day. One of the more remarkable transformations I went through due to the desensitisation I experienced when suicidal and dis-owning my children was this. I realised about a year later I can quite easily kill without remorse or conscience. Now. Who the HELL wants to create men of wealth and commitment that can kill without remorse?

I may have to give you that one.

Historically societies have tried experiments in removing long term connection to the society from a plurality of their men and it’s ended in collapse as men quit giving a shit. Smart societies, therefore, have always found ways to ensure the majority of men had such connection.

I cannot, however, think of a society that actively destroyed existing long term connections that already existed for men. It is one dangerously stupid thing to create a large class of men who won’t have children or an institution (such as a business) that inspire them to work to build a future for after the man’s own death. It is quite another to allow men to form such connections then steal it under cover of law and expect a good outcome.

The former leads to slow collapse as there are too few productive individuals. The later might easily result in a fifth column that hastens the end when the barbarians are at the gate and the former insures the gates are insufficiently manned (or are womanned instead).

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TFH March 15, 2011 at 12:35

The way I see it, there are very few hardcore feminists and most other women just jump back and forth between feminism and anti-feminism as convenient at their particular stage in life.

As I have said many times, the order of misandric zeal is :

Radical feminists > manginas/pedestalizers > average women.

Memorize that well.

Average women just want to side with whoever is winning. The influx of women into the cause of anti-misandry is a reaction to the momentum we have gained.

There is INSUFFICIENT anger towards manginas here. Manginas are a bigger threat to your well-being than the average woman is.

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Lovekraft March 15, 2011 at 12:39

@ Singledad: I don’t quite get your stats on divorce. 4.95 out of a thousand? But the divorce rate was around 50%. Please explain. Shouldn’t it be 495 out of a thousand?

The nature of the woman is best explained in Esther Vilar’s book “The Manipulated Man”. It, like the essay on Marriage 2.0 and the Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics (hyyp://mgtow.net/ipbforum/index.php?showtopic=926) are required reading for anyone entering the Mens Rights movement.

Basically, there is something so ingrained in female nature that any semblance of a sustained sense of social order between the sexes seems optimistic. A fluctuation between female hegemony and male control, but any attempt to establish rigid order will not last.

A return to some semblance of justice, respect and ‘place’ is definitely needed, but my hope is that any improvements be permanent, with constant oversight to prevent slipback.

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 12:43

HerbN,

Very interesting post.

Historically societies have tried experiments in removing long term connection to the society from a plurality of their men and it’s ended in collapse as men quit giving a shit. Smart societies, therefore, have always found ways to ensure the majority of men had such connection.

Can you please provide some examples?

The former leads to slow collapse as there are too few productive individuals. The later might easily result in a fifth column that hastens the end when the barbarians are at the gate and the former insures the gates are insufficiently manned (or are womanned instead).

Figuratively writing, maybe western men will choose to support Sharia Law over living in grass huts under matriarchy and being force-fed the Goddess Religion.

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SingleDad March 15, 2011 at 12:49

I find mangina’s easy to deal with. They just want poon tang, they don’t want to fight with independent men.

The “I’m not a feminist” women I find are far more dangerous.

As I’ve said before, when a woman tells me she’s not a feminist, I check to see if my wallet is in my pocket.

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buck swamp March 15, 2011 at 12:55

I said: Notice that, according to Venker and Schlafy, women believe they’re oppressed. Men are just passively being told there is no reason for them to exist. They’re too dumb to feel oppressed.

Aharon said: I didn’t get the impression they are suggesting that to their readers. They wrote: “no society can thrive – or survive – when half its members believe they’re oppressed and the other half are told there is no reason for them to exist.”

True enough, they’re not suggesting it. But it is assumed within the parallel construction of the sentence. Women believe. Men do not believe, they are being told.

In fact, a lot of men do believe they are the one’sbeing oppressed. I just thought it was interesting that the authors failed to acknowledge that.

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The Private Man March 15, 2011 at 12:56

Go piss on Betty Friedan’s grave.
Don’t forget to take a picture of it.

You know, that would make one hell of a collection of hilarious photos. It would also be a serious news story, too.

Men’s Online Magazine Urges Readers to Urinate on Betty Friedan’s Grave

Quite the headline, that.

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TomJW March 15, 2011 at 13:08

buck swamp March 15, 2011 at 11:26
“Feminism is making women unhappy? So what? Who cares anymore how women feel?”

It’s called schadenfraude. (Although I called it poetic justice.) Join us with a beer as we watch them suffer.

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Redpill March 15, 2011 at 13:08

TFH March 15, 2011 at 12:35
“Radical feminists > manginas/pedestalizers > average women.”

How about:

Manginas/pedastalizers > Radical Feminists > average women

In my view Rad Fems are completely enabled and a product of the manginas of the society, both in power and those supporting them. The manginas hate men more than even Femisists do.

The real tragedy is going to be the MRAs celebrating victory when women jump ships and make nice with men because fluff jobs have dried out. I don’t see that as a victory, just more exploitation and manipulation.

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SingleDad March 15, 2011 at 13:23

@ Loverkraft

I don’t know the veracity of those figures that’s why I posted the link. So folks can assess for themselves.

Here’s an interesting quote down near the bottom of the page, regarding Asian cultures and divorce:

For all ethnic groups, the most common source of marital breakdown was the inability or unwillingness of the husband to contribute to maintaining the household. This sometimes led to desertion, which was the most common ground for divorce.

http://www.divorcerate.org/divorce-rates-in-singapore.html

So, across all cultures, women marry for money and when the money runs out they run out.

Why buy the cow when it will most likely just wander away?

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 13:29

True enough, they’re not suggesting it. But it is assumed within the parallel construction of the sentence. Women believe. Men do not believe, they are being told.
In fact, a lot of men do believe they are the one’sbeing oppressed. I just thought it was interesting that the authors failed to acknowledge that.

Fair enough :) I’m one of those men who believe that us men are being oppressed. True, in the review we did not read a quote of the authors acknowledging that man men feel oppressed. It might possibly be in the book itself. Maybe not.

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 13:31

“Feminism is making women unhappy? So what? Who cares anymore how women feel?”

A great bumper sticker slogan! The other day at A Voice for Men someone posted the slogan: ‘Take Back the Knight!’ A lot of MRAs are talking about putting that one on a T-shirt.

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greyghost March 15, 2011 at 13:32

The most priveledge class of people in world history and they are still unhappy. Take one of these skank bitches and lockem up for 30 years for a crime they didn’t do. Them give them the woops and we are not sorry at all and be thankful we are letting you out. Let them have what men have and then lets talk. Other than that it is the culture of MGTOW and fuck you bitch.

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Traveller March 15, 2011 at 13:33

I had to Google “discombobulated” :-)

I agree with all who said it is another move from females for females. Feminism does not work in enslaving men anymore? Change tactic, but the goal will be the same.

They think the massive destruction of societies infrastructure, the huge national debts, the pain and anger of so many men, the fake law and order, can be removed on a whim?

They believe to press ctrl + alt + canc on a society to reboot it. Laughable.

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Mickey T March 15, 2011 at 13:38

@ buck swamp

What Phyliss Schlafly may have, or may have not, said years ago, and I don’t concede to your representation of it, has no bearing on how she spent many years, with many accomplishments, in fighting feminism and helping men and children.

“life boats’? “back to 1912″? Phyliss?

What do you base this statement on today, here as we speak?
Please, spare me the drama.

I urge you to read the book and read her website (The Eagle Forum).

You are mis characterizing what she stands for, as you are doing to her in this book.
You say in her book, which you havn’t read, that she implies men are too dumb to know they are oppressed. If she did, which I doubt, I would agree. When I first noticed something in the male/female relationship was amiss (about 50 years ago) virtually NO men knew it. I was considered a little odd etc. til about 15 years ago………………..

Are you a Democrat?

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BeijaFlor March 15, 2011 at 13:42

Venker & Schlafly wrote: “(No) society can thrive – or survive – when half its members believe they’re oppressed and the other half are told there is no reason for them to exist.”

buck swamp said: “Notice that, according to Venker and Schlafy, women believe they’re oppressed. Men are just … being told there is no reason for them to exist.” (Edited for emphasis)

To press the point: We have “Society” (actually Radical Feminism) telling us there is no reason for us to exist. And yet a hefty and ever-larger share of our productivity is what props up Society; by our labors; by our taxes; by our earnings that are spent by our – dare I use the word? – “dependents,” those who live off the sweat of your brow. And, finally, by “Family Law.”

John Galt was right.

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HerbN March 15, 2011 at 13:52

@Aharon: The classic example is Rome which was arguably barbarian a century before Odoacer claiming the crown of a city which had last seen kings a millennium earlier. By 400 the army was mostly barbarian due to a lack of men willing to join the legions. The traditional reward of service, a plot of land, was given to these barbarians prior to service (and in large amounts to entire tribes) in the late imperial period. Thus was Rome not only failing to encourage men to service with a major reward if they were successful, they were having to prepay the foreigners they hired.

Ironically, the culture Rome displaced in central Italy, the Etruscans, are know for their practice of sexual equality.

The current middle east is also an example, especially if we look at Turkey contrasted to the others. Turkey, despite it’s lack of the huge oil resources of the Gulf states, outstrips most of them in economic growth. The 2010 CIA fact book puts Turkey at 7.3% while the Saudi’s are at 3.8%. In Saudi Arabia polygamy puts a large number of men out of the marriage pool while Turkey maintains laws against it. In fact, one could argue Islam’s end as a force for cultural advancement came when it could no longer funnel it’s unattached males into cannon fodder.

Figuratively writing, maybe western men will choose to support Sharia Law over living in grass huts under matriarchy and being force-fed the Goddess Religion.

However true that would be it doesn’t change the fact that Western Civilization would have fallen. If Rome had been conquered by Persians from the East instead of Germans from the north it wouldn’t have mattered much in terms of the continuation of Roman culture.

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buck swamp March 15, 2011 at 13:55

Mickey T asks: Are you a Democrat?

I can take an insult pretty well, but now that’s just below the belt!

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TFH March 15, 2011 at 13:56

More ‘pay gap’ idiocy at Forbes :

http://blogs.forbes.com/jennagoudreau/2011/03/14/jobs-where-women-earn-more-than-men/

They have a whole section devoted to just this now, and comments now require a login (they did not before).

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 15:01

HerbN

Thank you for your reply. It was a good read.

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James March 15, 2011 at 15:06

“Interview with a Womenfirster: Phyllis Schlafly

Jack Kammer: What if I was the kind of man, like a lot of men who have confided to me, who is sick to death of the corporate world and in a heartbeat would stay home to take care of their kids because they love them so much and they know the business world is a crock?

Phyllis Schlafly:… That’s their problem. As I look around the world about me, I just don’t find there are many [women] who want the so-called non-traditional relationships.

– a radio interview, WCVT-FM (now WTMD), Towson University, Maryland, January 5, 1989″

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Katie March 15, 2011 at 16:12

Of course feminists are unhappy these days. They literally want the entire world, and then complain when they have to take the entire world. They want to work, have kids, ditch the husband, have time for their girlfriends, stay young forever, recruit new feminists, cure cancer, eradicate rape, tear down men, and “have it all.” Then they complain about being tired, or aging quickly, or the lack of “decent” men, or some other nonsense. One of the great things about having two separate genders that are good at separate things is that work load can be shared. But when feminists insist on doing all the work the balance is messed up, and then they complain.

As my dad likes to say, “Quit yer bitchin’.”

Guys should just continue to use ‘em and lose ‘em and move on (properly protected, of course, don’t want to get stuck paying for feminist progeny). There really shouldn’t be any time spent on these women out of the bedroom, in my opinion. Nothing a guy can say or do will make a bitch stop her bitchin’, so don’t even try. Be on the search for the few (but not non-existent) good women left in this country and save your time, money, energy, love, and support for them.

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mananon March 15, 2011 at 16:22

@Lovekraft

I wouldn’t presume to speak for SingleDad, but I imagine the figures reflect the *annual* divorce rate ie in every year out of every 1000 married people an average of 4.5 will be divorced.

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The Private Man March 15, 2011 at 16:25

I have a variation of “Take Back the Knight”

“End Chivalry – Take Back the Knight”

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Porky D. March 15, 2011 at 16:35

Roberts lost me with Phyllis what’s her face. I saw video of this woman on Fox in which she complained that the ERA would have been bad because it would subject women to the draft!

Female privilege sucks and its defense should not be tolerated, whether by the left or the right.

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Mickey T March 15, 2011 at 16:40

@ buck swamp

“below the belt’?

I’m beginning to think people here up-vote by considering drama and wordsmithing meritorious. Nevertheless, I’m glad to hear the substance of your answer. But the question was asked for a reason.

You use the “Conservative” as a character defect of some kid when describing Phyliss. Why? Do you think ALL Conservatives have nothing but “bad thoughts” and want to keep all men in bondage? Well, this Conservative has been speaking out about the unfair treatment of men probably longer than almost everybody here. And I’ve taken a lot of heat, insults, done without and spent some money through the years. Phyliss was very helpful in my learning the truth about the Dem party and I’ve changed many a vote, hundreds possibly thousands.

You are basing your opinion on something you heard about Phyliss several years ago, while it doesn’t appear as if you are considering the overall position she has taken and her accomplishments. People listen to opinions on very important matters and come to conclusions on these matters without ever verifying them. When an opinion is worded to suit the cause (provocative) people are even more accepting.

Phyliss Schlafly is a damn good ally, and a good women.
If anyone here cares enough about it, RESEARCH IT!

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mananon March 15, 2011 at 16:52

In the US men get ‘selective service’, while women benefit from ‘selective equality’.

Neither feminists or conservative women such as Phyllis Schlafly want real equality – this says a lot to me.

Real equality – that of opportunity – would entail the ending of all quotas, equality legislation and other female privileges. Very few women desire this. The MRM of the future must fight for genuine equality of opportunity. Who then could oppose us and at the same time claim to fight for ‘fairness’?

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SingleDad March 15, 2011 at 16:57

OT:

This is too funny. Snake bites skank, snake dies: Snake bites womans breast implant and dies of silicone poisoning:

It was another trip to the Garden of Eden cut short for one legless reptile.

Israeli model Orit Fox was attempting to lick a snake during a publicity stunt for radio DJ Shmulik Tayar when the lucky serpent, presumably aroused, lunged forward and bit Fox’s fake breast, sending witnesses into a frenzy.

Fox, who is rumored to have the largest bosom in all of Israel, was hurried to a hospital outside Jerusalem where she received a tetanus shot and was later discharged.

As for the snake, puckering up with a supermodel proved to be the kiss of death. The creature succumbed to silicone poisoning shortly after the incident.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/14/snake-dies-of-silicone-poisoning-after-biting-models-fake-breas/

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 17:00

I have a variation of “Take Back the Knight”
“End Chivalry – Take Back the Knight”

That works too. The play on words is of course meant as an offer/directive to western women to hand over to them our last remnants of knighthood since we don’t want it.

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Mickey T March 15, 2011 at 17:01

OK- I read some of these posts about Phyliss, and it sounds as if some may be taken out of context-

On the About Us page from the website under:

” Eagle Forum exposes Radical Feminists

We oppose the feminist goals of stereotyping men as a constant danger to women, while at the same time pushing women into military combat against foreign enemies.”

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Tim March 15, 2011 at 17:04

Very honest post, Herb. It’s appreciated. And on that note, I have an announcement to make. This is very good news.

I am going ghost. I am 41, turning 42 this year, and have made the decision to become a full time student, and rely entirely upon government loans. I will max them out until I reach $80,000 Canadian. No marriage, no kids, no home ownership – ever. You’re not alone, Herb. We are a plurality. When the ropes are swinging from the rafters after this society collapses you may find me in the Philippines, absconding from my loans. I will work as little as possible -just enough to eat and pay rent -month to month. This is my decision.

This is simply fantastic news. Gents, stormclouds are gathering on the horizon, but this is not the end of men. It is the rearrangement of men.

Abscond.

Abscond.

Abscond.

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James March 15, 2011 at 17:16

Tim, you make me proud!

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James March 15, 2011 at 17:32

By the way, am I the only one who notices that a comment from a female at the spearhead, which supports male rights, is automatically up-voted into oblivion?

Hestia, Laura Grace Robbins, et. al. are virtual PORN STARS on this site! (You bunch of groupies!) They do no wrong, and if they show a bit of cleavage, they get 50,000 votes up. Hell, a little man praise gets them 500 up-votes too.

The problem isn’t just “them” – the problem is also “us.”

Even TFH, and even Welmer himself, has often supported the idea of putting women -friendly-to-MRA-issues upon the pedastal. To “socialize them”

The problem is not “them,” alone. The problem is also US (That’s US you yankee centrified neanderthals!) – not being willing to see our own women-folk as the children which they are behaving like.

The boomer crowd, stilling crowing tabula rasa and “EQUALITY”, don’t seem to have grasped this as firmly as the younger generations.

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SMC March 15, 2011 at 17:33

Mr Roberts, was “seneca falls” rooted marxist theory?

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Carnivore March 15, 2011 at 17:51

Brother, where to being with this. Perhaps at the end:

If change is going to come, it will have to come from women – they are the ones who changed the nature order of things.

No way, no how, for a couple of reasons:
1. Women follow the herd to the best watering hole. They are not going to change anything as long as things are sitting pretty for them. If things get really really bad (collapse of father-government safety nets), then they’ll change and latch on to a man who can provide.
2. Humans generally stay the course and resist change, especially if the current path has been propagandized for decades and since childhood. And they’ll stay on that path, against all logic, even if it means dragging everything down with them. Think of it this way – despite the bankruptcy of the nation, despite an apparently endless war against a concept, “terror”, there are plenty of Americans who want to invade Iran and who want to invade Libya. It would seem that even $100/gallon of gas would not deter them. After all, it’s been beat into us since we’ve been children that the USA is #1, right? We wouldn’t love our country if we were, gasp, #2 or #20! So, too, with feminism. Women have had it drummed into them for decades – since childhood for many women – that they are oppressed, men are stupid and useless, grrlll power, and the rest. They won’t give it up because it is such a strong belief, even if going down this path brings down the walls and roof on top of them.

While I do not doubt Schlafly’s good intentions and give her credit for speaking up for decades, she doesn’t go nearly as far. She makes the mistake of believing feminism was OK until it got derailed. That is, women got the vote – good, women can apply for any job – good, women get preferential treatment – bad. More to the point, she’s pro-women’s choice. Her take is something along the lines of Rosanne’s sister on the Rosanne TV show. Remember? One week she’s a yoga instructor, the next a police officer, the next a herbalist and the following a bricklayer. She can find herself and do whatever she wants. Men on the other hand. forget it. Men are only allowed the traditional male path. She wants to turn the feminist clock back to some nebulous point after which feminism got derailed. That’s a false plan because feminism is one continuum. It was bad from the start.

If the Schlafly’s of the world want men to provide for women and children, fight the wars with an all-male military, and all the other traditional stuff – OK…. but, then, women can give up the vote, stay at home and raise men’s children, please their husbands and males should be given preference in hiring and certain jobs should be closed to women. Ain’t going to happen – that’s why we’re going to continue on this path of decline.

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James March 15, 2011 at 17:53

@ Mickey T.,

Your problem is you still believe in the old lie “Not all women are like that!” and you desperately want it to be true.

I, and many other men here are the same, or have been the same.

The thing you don’t realize yet is that WOMEN don’t share your views. They believe something like “whoever gets the most powerful man wins!” And, we are playing their game, not ours!

Phyllis Schlafly, the old dear, still views men as TOOLS – a stick for her to pick up and beat the world with! Her sisters ALSO view us as tools/sticks, to pick up and use to beat the world with.

Women view us as tools, not humans. This is the sick, sad truth that society is trying to hide from us. That girl you lived with for ten years who left you for the biker… nope, she didn’t REALLY like YOU – she like your STATUS – and now the biker next door’s status has exceded YOURS, so, bye-bye beta boy with a mortgage! VROOOM!

He was a bigger “stick” than you, sob!

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TFH March 15, 2011 at 18:03

Even TFH, and even Welmer himself, has often supported the idea of putting women -friendly-to-MRA-issues upon the pedastal.

It is not a pedestal. Not by a long shot.

The reality is, manginas/whiteknights are a large part of the problem. A major problem.

Therefore, what is the MOST effective weapon against manginas/whiteknights?

A woman who SHAMES THEM for being manginas!

A woman who writes against misandry rarely adds much to men who already know about it.

But they are the most potent weapon against manginas.

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buck swamp March 15, 2011 at 18:15

Mickey T,

Phyllis Schafly has been writing and speaking publicly for over sixty years. Her views are well-known, a matter of public record, and she has never been shy about expressing them (nor should she be). She is a social and political conservative, an anti-feminist (mostly because she believes feminism hurts women), and a traditionalist. She believes that women should have choices about careers and marriage, but men only have responsibilities. She believes that a man’s highest responsibility is to protect and defend women at all cost.

Personally, I gave all that up years ago.

As an anti-feminist Schafly is, I suppose, sort of an ally of the MRM. But I believe most MRA’s have a different vision than Schafly on what come’s after feminism. I know I do.

I say let women have real equality, just like they claim to want.

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James March 15, 2011 at 18:20

Whose gonna clean my toilet, eh Phyllis?

That’s what I want to know!

I mean, the flippin thing ain’t gonna clean itself, and here you are, all unemployed during the day, while the kids play on the swing set I built…

But still, WHO is going to clean that shit stain on the toilet bowl, Phyllis?

The girls are coming by in an hour for their Koffee Klatch, and you know what they would say about a shit stain on the bowl!

Oh dear!

Get the brush… I’m sooo oppressed!

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BeijaFlor March 15, 2011 at 18:23

@Tim:

“I have an announcement to make … I am going ghost. I am 41, turning 42 this year, and have made the decision to become a full time student, and rely entirely upon government loans. I will max them out until I reach $80,000 Canadian. No marriage, no kids, no home ownership – ever…. When the ropes are swinging from the rafters after this society collapses you may find me in the Philippines, absconding from my loans. I will work as little as possible – just enough to eat and pay rent -month to month. This is my decision.”

Do study something that will help you get along in the Philippines. The languages, the cultures, agriculture and soil science, that stuff. Your stated goals seem to write off prosperity, but I hope you thrive!

I don’t know if enough of us will ghost to make a difference to society, but I do believe that LIVING FREE will be a wonderful, liberating difference to each of us who does “softly and silently vanish away.” This is why I’m learning celestial navigation and advanced boat-handling, crewing on larger boats, and saving up for s/v BeijaFlor II … soon, I hope.

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Mickey T March 15, 2011 at 18:23

@ James

Do I write as shallow as your comment?

Guess I’ll have to go back to school.

Sorry old man, you don’t what you are talking about.
I’ll explain later. Be sure to keep an eye out for my post.

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Jameseq March 15, 2011 at 18:34

What venker & schlafly want is a return to the victorian uppermiddle class masculine and feminine ideals. Where the woman stays at home eating bonbons, while the man works as in the 60s usa tv show bewitched – im in the uk.

This was a soft/ indirect matriarchy-with a man as beast of burden

The difference between these women and feminists, is feminists want to rule us DIRECTLY.

Those masculinities might suit other men, But not me. people can organise their life as they wish. i want true equality

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Tim March 15, 2011 at 18:36

@ BeijaFlor,

Wow, this is interesting. I am actually what is known as an AB – Able-Bodied Seaman. I possess a Merchant Mariner Credential, and ship out of Seattle. I only mentioned the schooling and the student loans because I’m tired of the shipping industry. It pays well, but it is indeed a life of solitude. In fact, ghosting is really not new to me – I’ve been at sea for the last 12 yrs.

But since reading this site and others like it, I did finally make my decision to ‘consciously’ ghost only recently. It’s never been official until now. I’ve had it. I’m officially dropping my chivalrous obligations and living without the traditional house, family and mortgage payment.

I can’t be the only one to find this startling. Imagine a society of men like myself, going to school well into their 40′s and accumulating loans which they have no intention of repaying. If women will leech parasitically off the system, so will I. Hahahahahaha!!!! Payback is a mothafucka!!!!!

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Lord Viktor March 15, 2011 at 18:38

Don’t kid yourselves, gentlemen. The minority of women speaking out against feminism are only teaming up with us because they see the gravy train is about to go off a cliff.

Believe me, if it was only we males in danger of being destroyed in the resulting crash, these very same ladies would gleefully shovel more coal into the furnace to make the train chug even faster into the abyss.

Make no mistake, these girls don’t care about our well-being, only their own. They are defending us because their own survival is at stake. Their motives are completely mercenary.

Don’t ever forget that.

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buggeroff March 15, 2011 at 18:52

Katie, your post is fine with excellent points.
But again the ‘finding a good woman’ in current western society is a non-event either to 2.0 marry or de-facto relationships.
Why? because the Laws that govern them have nothing to do with fairness or equality. It matters nought that she Might not use them but the fact that she can,at any time destroy a man’s life & is given the resources & encouragement to do just that.
Untill the legal system & everything else that goes with it gets rewritten smart men say bugger that…

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James March 15, 2011 at 18:58

@ James

“Do I write as shallow as your comment?

Guess I’ll have to go back to school.

Sorry old man, you don’t what you are talking about.
I’ll explain later. Be sure to keep an eye out for my post.”

I’m waiting… for a good debate.

And yes, you do comment that shallow.

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James March 15, 2011 at 19:09

***Gets to play a “game “with Mickey T***

Clap, clap clap!!!

I can’t wait!

Btw – my underpants are staying ON!

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DevilDog March 15, 2011 at 19:35

Ex-Feminists who’ve become enlightened? That’s like me trying to find a virgin, but finding a whore, but she tells me she’s an ex-whore, she’s a virgin now though. Illogical, nonsensical.

Young Men, and Old Men, are both becoming more apathetic towards Women, society, and everything else in between. Hedonism is the focus for them. Nothing wrong with that, just a natural reaction towards 40 years of being attacked and disenfranchised, wondering what the hell’s going on and why they’re being attacked.

Boys&Men just wanna have fun!

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The Caliph March 15, 2011 at 19:45

@Rebel March 15, 2011 at 09:47

The only positive thing I could see here is that women in other countries will see what has happened to Western women and decide to opt out before feminism grabs their sould.

Other than that, Western women are pretty much a complete write-off

Lol, dont hold your breath on that one. Woman are the same world wide.

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Rusty March 15, 2011 at 19:57

“If change is going to come, it will have to come from women – they are the ones who changed the nature order of things.”

That will never ever come to pass. Women obviously don’t have desire, courage, or intelligence to do change. Ergo, men must put an end to the current insanity, this big “test” that the women have been putting us to.

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greyghost March 15, 2011 at 20:00

buck swamp

As an anti-feminist Schafly is, I suppose, sort of an ally of the MRM. But I believe most MRA’s have a different vision than Schafly on what come’s after feminism. I know I do.

I say let women have real equality, just like they claim to want.

You are absolutely right. I have no feelings at all to protect women from a damn thing. That part of me is long gone. The guy I’m most jealous of is the guy that commented about going ghost. That is the western man’s future and present culture. Japan has it’s herbivores, Germany has a birth rate so low that some towns are depopulating and the rest of western society will dump western women also. As more men realize what is going the culture of MGTOW will become the norm for a man. Ole Schafly is in for a rude awakening if she thinks men will ever be the chivilrous knights she thinks men were before feminism.
No matter what is said or how supportive females get the laws are still in place and more are coming. Every day some politicians is talking about some oppression some woman is facing, what the hell do you think this article about female unhappiness is about? Get ready men a new way to punish men that have contact with women is coming.
From the church, to the government,magina’s and whiteknights have along with women embraced femminism and the hatred of men. The government even made and enforced laws that contradicted the constitution and all participated thinking it was in thier interest. All have convinced themselves men are pure in human evil. (we are all rapist and wife beaters you know even the toddlers will grow up to rape ,they themselves tell us every day) Now the ones on the edge are starting to see that they fucked up. That is where all the man up bull shit and all the christian family crap and everyones favorite NOWALT is coming from. The rest think they just need to double down and stick it to men a little harder and all will be well.

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greyghost March 15, 2011 at 20:13

Make no mistake, these girls don’t care about our well-being, only their own. They are defending us because their own survival is at stake. Their motives are completely mercenary.

Don’t ever forget that.

Lord Viktor is goddamn right on that.

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fmz March 15, 2011 at 20:46

How do WE come to terms with a bunch of inherently unhappy and miserable femmynasty tards?

BAWAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

and

LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Who gives a fark.

Dont be the company that misery loves to keep.

Go Your OWN Way.

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universe March 15, 2011 at 20:52

Evil Penis March 15, 2011 at 09:17

As more and more literature surfaces about the evils of feminism, especially that written by women, all of the power they (feminists) have will dwindle and eventually return to the dark cesspit it came from.

Then maybe we can all be happy.

– Hopefully, yes.
But, there has to be an accountability sometime.
Of the observations about females over the years I have noticed that many are obsessed with avenging real or imagined slights against themselves. Making public their plight and oppressor. Then steadfastly working toward achieving their justice or cudjoling others to do it for them. And, there are plenty who want to help.
Now it is getting closer to the time to see if the wimminz can tolerate their own value of vengence that many hold so dearly. To us it may be better called accountability. And I am holding out for it.
Of all the collective willful fraudulence, costing our culture millions of murdered infants, legions of wrongly accused and imprisoned men, stolen resources, enormous wasted tax finances and general societal upheaval there has to be a reckoning, a balancing of sorts.

There is a huge paper trail leading to the perpetrators and many are only too happy to make themselves publicly known. When the feminist house of cards folds in upon itself there will be a record of who wanted it and worked hard to make it happen. The eyes of the world will then be upon them. The very vengence they desired on men and the fabled patriarchy to be wreaked upon themselves.
We are going to hold you accountable for your crimes against humanity like any man would, collective feminist. You asked for the same equality to that of any man and thus it shall be upon you.
Only, I suspect your just rewards will not be meted out as they should. But a good world-wide public shaming would be a good start.

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Anony Mouse March 15, 2011 at 20:54

Too little, too late. Most of us men like things the way they are now. Easy sex, no need for commitment, no need for the rat-race, and women who are so desperate for our attention they’ll pick up the check.

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Awed March 15, 2011 at 21:01

I’m with the guys who now care little about this country because of what it has become. As for anti-feminist opinions from women? Every time I have ever heard one, there is always at least one glaring and fatal illogical component of them that erases any logic they might have otherwise put into their opinion. My opinion? Bottom line. The acceptance that the sexes are equal in any way other than the eyes of god or that both sexes are necessary is death.

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Anonymous March 15, 2011 at 21:12
“As women have gained more freedom, more education, and more power, they have become less happy.”

All they really need is a good roguring.

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Is this a straw-poll on the number of women reading this article?
I’d say about 17+. Well done

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Poester99 March 15, 2011 at 21:13
“As women have gained more freedom, more education, and more power, they have become less happy.”

All they really need is a good roguring.

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Is this a straw-poll on the number of women reading this article?
I’d say about 17+. Well done

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Epoche* March 15, 2011 at 22:07

Figuratively writing, maybe western men will choose to support Sharia Law over living in grass huts under matriarchy and being force-fed the Goddess Religion.
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There have been recent attempts to pass laws making the practice of sharia a felony. Lets make it known to mainsteam media sources that many of us who are not islamic would prefer it and why. They will not know how to respond to it.

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fmz March 15, 2011 at 22:57

“Now that women don’t need men to reproduce and refinance, the question is, will we keep you around?”

GYOW says… NO, men won’t keep you. Around.

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Kyo March 15, 2011 at 22:58

Poester, I think the down-votes come from people who are tired of Uncle Elmer’s use of the word “rogure” in seemingly every post. I think his goal is to inform us that we shouldn’t spell it “roger”. Thanks, Elmer; that’s useful information — but I can see why some people are tired of hearing it so often.

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by_the_sword March 15, 2011 at 23:31

Now that more and more women are abandoning the sinking ship of feminism, will this mean that we men will have to go back to shoveling the fuckin’ gravel?

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andybob March 16, 2011 at 00:27

When the feminist house of cards folds in upon itself there will be a record of who wanted it and worked hard to make it happen.

Universe
If this ever comes to pass, Phyllis Schlafly will walk free, with a well-deserved medal pinned to her chest. I am a harsh critic of women, so praise from me is hard-earned. Feminism in the 70′s was a crazed beast voraciously eating everything in sight. I was a young dude in far-away Australia at the time when the E.R.A. was a sure-fire bet in the USA . Nothing seemed to stand in its way. A fact trumpeted so loudly that it reached across the pacific. But even I remember that it was Phyllis Schlafly who stepped up to the plate and called bs on aspects of the proposal that many (including most men) hadn’t even considered. She was the voice of reason which snatched victory from the jaws of the over-confident bitterati.

And didn’t she ever cop an avalanche of vengeance from the leftie femloons? The virulence of their attacks aganst this woman was a disgrace. I had never seen that kind of naked hatred before, so it made quite an impression. It must have taken some mettle to stand up to that. Good for her. This was a woman who did not follow the herd. She stuck to her guns and debated the issues so convincingly and logically, that her stance convinced many and prevailed. I have not read “The Flipside of Feminism” and know nothing of the co-author, but the admirable Sclafly deserves a fair hearing. She’s earned it.

You are basing your opinion on something you heard about Phyliss several years ago, while it doesn’t appear as if you are considering the overall position she has taken and her accomplishments.

There are very few individuals who can be in the thick of the political landscape without taking some stance/action/comment you don’t entirely agree with. Phyllis Schlafly is no exception.

Mickey T clearly knows his subject and I agree with his point. Schlafly has actively worked against feminism for decades. She’s done her bit. Save your attacks for the swamp of manginas that tried to drag her down.

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Epoche* March 16, 2011 at 01:22

most certainly not, it will not be time to play nice when they realize we are serious. remember afterall, the personal is the political.

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migu March 16, 2011 at 01:33

Venker is on her second husband.

She cleaned out a well to do new Yorker the first time.

What’s with the italics

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piercedhead March 16, 2011 at 02:50

The best revenge is to live well.

If entire generations of women are getting progressively more unhappy, and we men are going our own way, free of their miserable presence, looks to me like we’re getting all the revenge that it’s decent to get.

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dawn March 16, 2011 at 04:01

Peter Andrew Nolan,
I totally understand why you don’t believe me, men have been through a lot with feminism. I have never been a feminist, yet the culture at large is very feminist thinking. You are SO antifeminist you are totally on the other side of the spectrum. I am trying to throw completely off the influence that feminism has brought to our culture, and it is hard with it in your face everyday.
I understand your disbelief in what I am saying, feminism has been so much more than a yoke around your neck. I believe it wants men out of the picture entirely. You are fight for your right to exist, as you should. I really am on your side, women are the pits sometimes worse than the pits. But there are women out there who do want men in the picture, not to do our bidding and not to be turned into some version of a female with a dick. we want real men who will say “this is how it is going to be”.
I am hoping that men and women will one day come to a middle ground (Not one that accepts feminism!!!!) where we all realize that men and women compliment each other and that we are not against each other.
I am raising boys and trying to raise them to not put up with women who spout feministic ideas. Men are precious and they have been vilified for far too long, hopefully sometime soon women will wake up and realized they have shot themselves in the head with feminism.

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Sedulous March 16, 2011 at 04:14

You know, that would make one hell of a collection of hilarious photos. It would also be a serious news story, too.

Men’s Online Magazine Urges Readers to Urinate on Betty Friedan’s Grave

Quite the headline, that.

No doubt. But just for the record — in case the issue gets enflamed beyond comprehension — I was advising angry, frustrated feminists to do the pissing, NOT men.

Men have more important things to do.

There, I guess that should cover us legally now.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 04:49

OT but something for the young men to know because this is how disgraceful women are now. One of the ‘empowered’ and ‘liberated’ and ‘equal’ women from the International Womens Club of Ireland sent me this response.

Perhaps you should read up on data protection laws. It is illegal to send unsolicited email in Ireland it is also illegal to deny a request to be removed from a targeted mailing list. Im sorry you had a bad experience but it is neither my problem nor concern. Any further contact will be reported to the Data Protection Commissioner and if necessary the gardai.

If course, my response was this.

Perhaps you should read up as to how I have noticed the Prime Minister and President of Ireland that they are accessories to criminal acts by the judiciary and will be removed from their office once I have the support of more patriotic Irish Men.

Your little girl attitude of ‘running to big daddy guvment’ is pathetic. I call it the pathetic effort it is.

You women claim ‘equality’ but when the truth is shoved down your throats about the crimes you are condoning the first thing you try and do is ‘shut him up’ by running to ‘big daddy government’.

And by the way? The legislation of Ireland does not apply to me.

And by the way? You want to run like a little girl to ‘big daddy guvment’ over something like ‘unsolicited email’ but you are MORE THAN HAPPY to stay silent over a woman who has committed the crimes of perjury, kidnapping, extortion and theft.

I will tell all the young men I know about your priorities when it comes to ‘equal before the law’ for women and men.

Thanks for giving me more evidence in writing. It will be posted to http://www.the-spearhead.com.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 04:59

dawn March 16, 2011 at 04:01
“You are SO antifeminist you are totally on the other side of the spectrum.”

Dawn, here is a good reason I don’t believe anything a western woman, especially you, says. Why? Because I am NOT anti-feminist. You will not find an ‘anti-feminist’ comment from me ANYWHERE. That’s just a lie you made up. The truth is not ‘anti’ anything. The truth is just the truth.

I have, for three years, stood in the possibility that: ‘women who claim equality should be treated as equal before the law as in same crime same remedy’.

Guess what? Women and their mangina lackeys HATE me for taking that position because it exposes them for the liars and hypocrites they are. There is nothing ‘anti-feminism’ about ‘equal before the law’.

I don’t like liars. I don’t like hypocrites. I don’t like criminals. And I don’t like people who condone crimes once they have been made aware of them. That this is virtuall ALL western women and not a small proportion of men as well is not MY problem. I get to choose who I don’t like and who I refuse to associate with.

Those who are liars and hypocrites seem to think I have some obligation to ‘like them’ or listen to them or talk to them. I don’t. I’ll call them the liars and hypocrites they are. I will expose them. And I will keep doing so until they STOP being liars and hypocrites.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 05:33

HerbN March 15, 2011 at 12:27
“It is quite another to allow men to form such connections then steal it under cover of law and expect a good outcome.”

Yes Herb it is quite another thing. It is a very, very dangerous thing to do. I am a good example of that. I will do whatever it takes, spend whatever it takes, suffer any ‘slings and arrows of outrageous fortune’ to ensure that men have it well and truely explained to them that, should I fail to re-introduce the rule of law into Australia/Ireland that the men are ‘on their own’ and must take the law into their own hands should they desire justice.

Welmer doesn’t want much talk of what ‘take the law into your own hands’ looks like here and I can appreciate that. But, by my having spent so much time and effort documenting to men my case and how the guvments and the judiciary and the WOMEN are complicit in these crimes? I will get across to men that they live in a lawless land where they are being plundered by women and pirates and if they want to do anything about that they’d better start doing it.

If I fail, and I don’t plan to, the result will be a lot of dead women. If I succeed? The result will be that men and women will have the opportunity to live in harmony as ‘equal before the law’ or those women who choose it can be ‘chattel property’. Its all in the book. There’s no excuses any more.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 05:41

SingleDad March 15, 2011 at 13:23
“So, across all cultures, women marry for money and when the money runs out they run out.”

And THAT is what women do NOT want you to know. Of course, in the west, the system is that the money is transferred to the woman so the man has ‘run out of new money’ so she dumps him as he is now socially and finanically below her. She got her 70-80%…or, as in my case 95%.

And SD. Notice how few women here are commenting that 95% to the woman is an obvious crime. THAT should ALSO tell young men all they need to know.

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Aharon March 16, 2011 at 07:09

There have been recent attempts to pass laws making the practice of sharia a felony. Lets make it known to mainsteam media sources that many of us who are not islamic would prefer it and why. They will not know how to respond to it.

I’m not sure that I understand your response. In Great Britain, I understand that Sharia Courts have been created to handle issues such as divorce (which many non-Muslim men are turning to use also) though not allowed (yet) anything to try a case such as an alleged murderer. In America, how can they pass a law against practicing Sharia Law if it does not exist? Are you referring to a private practice of using it among Muslim Americans?

A few months ago, a female congresswomen (democrat I believe) called for the banning of teaching Islam in the American prison systems. I guess she sees how fast it is spreading and how it is a threat to her liberal feminist values and dreams for America. Anyways, after that one day announcement it was hushed up and nothing said further. That is an example of PC coming back to bite the hand that feeds it.

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dawn March 16, 2011 at 07:48

Peter-Andrew: Nolan (c)
I am sorry that I miss labeled you, sincerely. And I agree with you about equality. Women on the whole can NOT do the same things that men can do(equally) I am not as strong as a man, I can not think as logically as a man. If I have a job I better do AS WELL as a man to get equal pay. I would do my best but if I fall short and I probably will my pay should reflect that shortage. I as far back as could remember believed equal pay for equal work.
I must say that I am an anti-feminist, because I am tired of all the junk that is beyond equality. We shouldn’t have children , we shouldn’t want to be housewives, we shouldn’t want to be married to a man, men are the evil ones we need to eradicate. I want to get rid of those ideas. Women are not oppressed, they are selfish and immature and I know this because even though I am not a feminist I can be very selfish and immature. Then My husband tells me to stop and act like a grown up, when he does that am I oppressed? NO I am held accountable.
And laws need to change. But how, in what way that would be fair to every one. I really do want to know clearly what men want to happen. The anger I hear in the men on here is totally understandable, maybe it is too soon to ask that question.

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Anonymous March 16, 2011 at 07:52

Moderator,

Please close the italics in James March 15, 2011 at 18:58

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RVT March 16, 2011 at 07:53

The average woman has been complicit in the injustices created by feminism, but the people who took the most advantage of it will still suffer the consequences. Women guilty of divorce theft will be impoverished when the family court system is destroyed and they no longer receive alimoney. Single mothers who mistreated their children and leeched off of the taxpayer will be forced to fend for themselves once the safety net disintegrates. The arrogant, female-chauvinist career women will hit the wall and find themselves barren and miserable. The only group who really gets off scot free are the pedestalizers, who allowed feminism to take root in the first place. Maybe the shattering of their illusions will be punishment enough. though.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 08:05

Poester, I think the down-votes come from people who are tired of Uncle Elmer’s use of the word “rogure” in seemingly every post. I think his goal is to inform us that we shouldn’t spell it “roger”. Thanks, Elmer; that’s useful information — but I can see why some people are tired of hearing it so often.

“Roger” sounds ridiculous, like some jolly butt-pirate. It does not contribute to the overall credibility of the men’s movement, whereas “rogure” lends a genteel, sophisticated tone to what otherwise would be an offensive rabble.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 08:06

Damn those infernal italics.

I wrote :

“Roger” sounds ridiculous, like some jolly butt-pirate. It does not contribute to the overall credibility of the men’s movement, whereas “rogure” lends a genteel, sophisticated tone to what otherwise would be an offensive rabble.

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Renee March 16, 2011 at 08:34

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buck swamp March 16, 2011 at 08:35

Dawn said: And laws need to change. But how, in what way that would be fair to every one. I really do want to know clearly what men want to happen.

Dawn,

You sound like a decent person and I don’t want to be ugly, but the answer to “what men really want” is: we’ll let you know when we figure it out.

The way I see it, the MRM is a still-developing struggle between men to decide what kind of world we want to live in. Women are really kind of peripheral to the discussion. Pre-feminist culture sucked for most men, but it was created and enforced by men. Feminism sucks even worse for most men, but it too was created and is being enforced by men. Culturally, women can do nothing on their own without the sufferance of men.

The MRM is men deciding that they want something better for them. Women will always try to make it about women, but it really isn’t.

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buck swamp March 16, 2011 at 08:41

The MRM is men deciding that they want something better for them.

Should have been The MRM is men deciding that they want something better for themselves.

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Nergal March 16, 2011 at 08:58

“we want real men who will say “this is how it is going to be”.”

Easy with the Realmannspracht,darlin’. In the first place, only a man gets to decide if he’s a “real man”. In my opinion,if you have a dick and testicles,you’re a real man. A “fake man” is a feminist wearing a strap on,or maybe perhaps,a mangina.

Also, we know what you want, maybe better than you do. We have a discipline built around it. It’s called Game.

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Nergal March 16, 2011 at 09:03

You sound like a decent person and I don’t want to be ugly, but the answer to “what men really want” is: we’ll let you know when we figure it out.

Shit,I’ve figured it out. Burn the feminists out of their holes. As far as the whole shape of the future for men thing, that’s a subject for post-feminist men to discuss. What the Men’s Movement should be about is expelling feminism from our government.media, and universities. Once we remove that roadblock,deciding how men are going to govern themselves will be possible. As long as feminism still has a foothold,though, we can’t even discuss men’s issues publicly with men.

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Anonymous age 68 March 16, 2011 at 09:04

>>Friedan reveals how her mother made her feel “messy, clumsy, inadequate, bad, naughty, ugly.”

She made her feel that way because she was messy; clumsy; inadequate; bad; naughty and ugly. There, that was easy, wasn’t it?

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Nergal March 16, 2011 at 09:10

It’s not a bad thing for women to have their own funds in their savings to fall back on and be on her own until marriage (if she gets married). 1), her parents can finally enjoy focusing themselves, and 2) she’s learn how to take care of herself, whether it be through cooking, washing clothes, paying bills and taxes, etc. If she has cash saved up and/or she’s a working wife and/or mom, she won’t be utterly dependent on her husbands salary since she has her own cash to use. Now don’t get me wrong, I too think that a mom working full time and managing the household can be stressful, but there is a thing called part-time work, and it can also be a sort of hobby for her if it’s within her interests and talents. Not to mention the little extra cash on the side.

The thing is that as long as women have those things,and I agree, it sounds fair and like a good deal, but if women have them you can kiss civilization goodbye.

In any country where women have “careers”,not jobs, birthrates go down the shitter.The women won’t have kids. I’m serious. Look at the birthrates from developing countries as women are afforded more independence. You will get a chance to do this because feminists at the U.N. are working overtime to export the shitty situation we have in the first world to all third world countries.

But you can see, where it was once customary for women to have 8 children they will now only have 1.2. The human race can’t survive that. Eventually the genetic pool will shrink until we’re all inbred and then the human race will be composed of retarded flipper-babies riddled with genetic diseases.

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Ken March 16, 2011 at 09:13

But you can see, where it was once customary for women to have 8 children they will now only have 1.2. The human race can’t survive that. Eventually the genetic pool will shrink until we’re all inbred and then the human race will be composed of retarded flipper-babies riddled with genetic diseases.

Thus is the end-game and something no one wants to talk about, even though educated men know this to be the future if things continue.

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Ken March 16, 2011 at 09:18

This is simply fantastic news. Gents, stormclouds are gathering on the horizon, but this is not the end of men. It is the rearrangement of men.
Abscond. Abscond. Abscond.

Yes! and the future will be RETROGRESS (instead of progress) because of this trend….thanks to feminism and its liberal white-knighters……
Can you say ATLAS SHRUGGED?

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Renee March 16, 2011 at 09:40

About that whole female unhappiness thing. I’ve found this interesting article:

Ross Douthat wrote a column yesterday bemoaning the decline of female happiness. The takeaway is that women are less happy, both in absolute terms and relative to men, than they were before Betty Friedan published her manifesto. “All the achievements of the feminist era may have delivered women to greater unhappiness,” Ross writes.

That is, I think, what we’d call a correlation/causation error. There’s no evidence that women wouldn’t be much more unhappy without the advancements of the past 50 years. Same goes for men, for that matter. Both groups would be, among other things, quite a bit poorer. And this data would be measuring something else for women: Happiness at home, rather than at home and at work. Meanwhile, some of the data directly contradict Ross’s reading. “Male happiness has inched up, and female happiness has dropped,” he says. But that’s not universally true.

There’s 2 charts included.

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Renee March 16, 2011 at 09:43

Ok I did that wrong lol:

Here’s the page.

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dawn March 16, 2011 at 09:46

Burn the feminists out of their holes. As far as the whole shape of the future for men thing, that’s a subject for post-feminist men to discuss. What the Men’s Movement should be about is expelling feminism from our government.media, and universities. Once we remove that roadblock,deciding how men are going to govern themselves will be possible. As long as feminism still has a foothold,though, we can’t even discuss men’s issues publicly with men.

I agree. The government has to change, but how can it with all the politicians afraid of losing the female vote. There is no way that women voting is going to be abolished, as sad as that is. And yes I vote, the way my husband tells me to. I also think that women shouldn’t really go to college, that is where most of the poison is spread.
I homeschool my boys so they don’t have to live with the garbage indoctrination that society calls education and we don’t have TV so we don’t see the feminist propaganda that is being called entertainment. I love my boys and I know as white men in this society they will be vilified and worse, that is what I am fighting against.

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Renee March 16, 2011 at 09:50

And let me say, I’m not defending feminism. But if there’s conflicting information and something may not be correct, then I think it should be known. At least so it can have the chance to be disputed.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 10:00

Damn these infernal italics, I wish never to see them again!

About the Gyn Men Project.

What we have here is a classic case of bad marketing. This may be the Spearhead’s biggest flaw but can be corrected to draw in a critical mass of webclicks.

We need to make a call for papers. These “trojans”, just like on the GMP, will get linked to the bigger websites that people can surf on the job. Draw them in, then bitch slap them with the truth. Take a page out of Kay Hymowitz and Sarah Rosin’s playbook.

Suggested titles :

Tips for Getting Your Man Back to Work

Harassment : Do You Have Grounds for a Lawsuit?

How Today’s “Good Men” are Secretly Supporting Their Wive’s Careers

The High Price of Foreign Brides, and How More Men are Starting to Appreciate American Women

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Mickey T March 16, 2011 at 10:23

A Good Father’s Day Gift

by Phyliss Schlafly June 25, 2010

A good Father’s Day gift would be reform of the Violence Against Act (VAWA), make it gender neutral and assure men that family courts will accord them constitutional rights equivalent to those enjoyed by murderers and robbers. VAWA will be coming up for it’s five year reauthorization later this year, and that will be the time to hold balanced hearings and eliminate VAWA’s discrimination against men…………VAWA is not designed to eliminate or punish violence, but to punish only alleged violence against women. Most of the shelters financed by by VAWA do not accept men as victims………..Feminists have changed state laws to include a loosey-goosey definition of family violence. It doesn’t have to be violent; it can simply be what a man says or how he looks at a woman.
Domestic violence can even be what a woman thinks what a man might do or say. Definitions of include calling calling your partner a naughty word, raising your voice, causing “annoyance” or “emotional distress”, or just not doing what your partner wants……..VAWA provides women with free legal counsel to persue their allegations while men are left on their own to find and pay a lawyer, or struggle without one……………………………………It seems elementary that husbands and fathers who are accused by their wives or girlfriends should have the constitutional rights accorded to ant criminal, but they are routinely denied equal treatment under the law, the right to a fair trial, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, and the right to own a gun. The accusation also destroys his employabillty………………Based on a woman’s unsubstantiated allegations of trivial offenses, family courts deprive thousands of men of their fundamental right to parent their own children. VAWA has a built in incentive for the woman to make false charges of domestic violence because she knows she will never be prosecuted for perjury.
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This only a small part of the countless articles written by PS on men’s rights. And sadly, it is only a very small sample of the laws on the books which are unfair to men which need to be among the first addressed.

What MRAs are taking an active part in trying to change these life destroying laws?
What MRAs are even aware of VAWA and what it does to men and children?
What MRA’s are ignorantly letting PS do their job, while claiming she is just another parasitic bitch?

It was a disasterous mistake for men not recognize the enemy until it was too late, now it looks as though men are going to do the same thing with their allys?

I’d like to clarify somethings about myself to eliminate any unneccessary assanine chatter which I always run into on these websites, and don’t have time for.
I’ve been aware, from pre feminist days, that most (99%plus) women are monsterously selfish and have an evil streak, longer than most of you. Possibly all of you. Although some have tried, I’ve never let a woman hurt me in any meaningful way. My marraige (I’m widowed) and my other close relationships with women have always added to my life, and they still do. But that might be a discussion for another day.

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Anonymous March 16, 2011 at 10:40

Poor Uncle Elmer didn’t loose his mind until Christian-the-Moderator started forcing us to asterisk-castrate the most noble word “fu*k”.

And approving the comment: “Moderator, Please close the italics in James March 15, 2011 at 18:58″ doesn’t help, IF YOU DON”T ACTUALLY CLOSE THE ITALICS!

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Anonymous age 68 March 16, 2011 at 11:15

That 4.95 divorce rate is per 1,000 total population, including kids and unmarried people. Beware of such statistics.

The only accurate ones are those marriage figures per 1,000 unmarried women, and divorce per 1,000 married people. The Per 1,000 population figures are widely used because they give a misleading view of the marriage rate, hoping to confuse dearies so they don’t panic. The marriage rate per 1,000 population has only moved a relatively small amount, because the number of unmarrieds has exploded, thus diluting the figures.

Here are the true marriage figures, and the dearies should panic:

FIGURE 1
Number of Marriages per 1,000
Unmarried Women Age 15 and
Older, by Year, United States:

1922 99 (found on Web)
1960 73.5
1961 72.2
1962 71.2
1963 73.4
1964 74.6
1965 75.0
1966 75.6
1967 76.4
1968 79.1
1969 80.0
1970 76.5
1972 77.9
1975 66.9
1977 63.6
1980 61.4
1983 59.9
1985 56.2
1987 55.7
1990 54.5
1991 54.2
1992 53.3
1993 52.3
1995 50.8
2000 46.5
2004 39.9
2007 39.2 (Rutgers 2009)
2008 37.4 (Rutgers 2009)
2009 36 (Virginia 2010 moved from Rutgers)

Lee says the 2010 figures are still downward, but has not yet supplied them.

UK is 19 and NZ is 28. I expect the US to go to 19.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 11:35

dawn March 16, 2011 at 07:48
“And laws need to change. But how, in what way that would be fair to every one. I really do want to know clearly what men want to happen. The anger I hear in the men on here is totally understandable, maybe it is too soon to ask that question.”

Dawn. The remedy is already created and proven. I created it. I proved it. Only TWO women assisted me actively in doing so in the last three years. It is this book linked below. Any man who reads this book, learns the techniques used in it and applies them to his life will no longer be subject to ‘feminism’. Period.

We are just putting together our new common law courts for criminal cases in Australia. They will be proclaimed into existence on April 15th at the Parrammatta leagues club in Sydney.

Yes. We are so fed up with women we have banned them from our courts and our rule of law. Women will be invited to form lower courts and offer a system of law to the men to start to rebuild their credibility that they chose to throw away. I guess it will only take 40-50 years of honest and lawful behaviour of women to start to gain some credibility in the eyes of the men whom they have committed crimes against with impunity as well as the men who saw this happen.

http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/scope/threads/Default.aspx

Western Women have demonstrated themselves to be untrustworthy these last 40 years. I took it upon myself to collect the evidence of this over the last three years. Western women have proven themselves to be irrelevant to the remedy. This is my notice to the ladies. You and your sisters can get started on these activities.

http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/14/threadid/483/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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zed March 16, 2011 at 12:06

There’s no evidence that women wouldn’t be much more unhappy without the advancements of the past 50 years.

That sentence is the product of a truly disordered mind.

There is no way in the world to unravel something that tortured and convoluted. I guess we have to presume that women’s happiness is on an inevitably downward course and the ONLY thing which has kept it from falling totally into the abyss is feminism. :roll:

If that is the case, then the female half of the human race must be sad and tragic creatures indeed.

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Poester99 March 16, 2011 at 13:30

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Poester99 March 16, 2011 at 13:33

Commenters can’t un-italic.

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Frank March 16, 2011 at 14:02

HerbN “I don’t give a shit about the future of our society. As a 44 year old childless male with no real hope for companionship or children why should I. I’m betting we have enough cultural momentum to see me through to my death (about 30 years) and doing my own thing to make sure I can survive if I’m off on my bet about five years.
For most of this decade I’ve been saying I’m the most dangerous thing for a society: a mature male with no long term investment in it. Feminism has worked very hard to create a generation or two of men where men like me are the plurality if not an out and out majority.”

Exactly where I am at! I’m just now 45, been married with no kids, successful in most aspects of my life, but with no real anchor or investment in society. It is both unsettling and liberating at the same time. Is there anymore to life that this? Does it matter?

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20thLevel March 16, 2011 at 15:00

I actually enjoy the game and enjoy the art of the deal. The dream of finding that perfect match and being happily married is also very appealing to me. But under the current divorce laws a dozen jetpack wearing pigs singing cumbaya will come flying out of my ass before I will ever choose to get married.

So until that day comes I will work hard and spend all of that money on myself and enjoy every minute of it.

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BeijaFlor March 16, 2011 at 19:09

@Frank, March 16, 2011 at 14:02
“I’m just now 45, been married with no kids, successful in most aspects of my life, but with no real anchor or investment in society. It is both unsettling and liberating at the same time. Is there anymore to life that this? Does it matter?”

Some opinionated people might call that “having too much freedom.” I don’t!

Yes, I believe there’s more to life, but we have to build it for ourselves. We don’t have to follow the old traditional patterns; we can explore, experiment, travel, get out there with nobody to say us nay.

Tennyson spoke to my soul, about this, with his “Ulysses”:

Old age hath yet his honor and his toil;
Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks:
The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
‘Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.

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Carnivore March 16, 2011 at 19:39

Renee:

According to whom? And what is your idea of the “traditional male path”?

Scroll up – someone quoted Schlafly in an interview, regarding men who are fed up with the rat race and would like to stay home and raise the kids:

Phyllis Schlafly:… That’s their problem. As I look around the world about me, I just don’t find there are many [women] who want the so-called non-traditional relationships.

Renee:

But why would women, at the least, have to stay at home, men given preferences, and have certain jobs closed to women in order for Schlafly’s world to exist.

A few reasons:
1. Women “finding themselves” with a career displace married men who have to work in the traditional model in order to support a family and displace single men who need a career in order to attract a wife.
2. Women taking jobs traditionally held by men increase the labor pool thereby causing wages to drop.
3. As mentioned by someone else, career women don’t have babies in the numbers needed in order for a society, culture, nation to thrive.
4. Career women cannot devote their time to their children nor cater to the needs of their husbands.

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Renee March 16, 2011 at 20:02

But what of women who don’t want kids or marriage? And what about women who wait until the kids are grown to have a career?

I don’t know. I see the issues of a career woman having to balance work and family. But at the same time, I like that there are options for women when it comes to what wants out of life. She has the option of being a stay at home mom, a SAHM with a part time job or a hobby on the side, or have a career (whether as a wife and/or mom or as a single woman). Not to mention that it’s apparantly managable. But you guys are pretty much looking at the grand scheme of things.

Again I don’t know. I guess this is because both of my parents worked full time all my life (my mom’s a librarian by the way or a more advanced version of one – I can’t remember what title she told me), and me and my sisters came out ok. Then again, our grandmother watched us until one of them picked us up.

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Coal March 17, 2011 at 03:29

Fuck off Renee, you sexist piece of shit. If we wanted to read a worthless feminazi’s opinions we’d go to Jizzabelle.

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buggeroff March 17, 2011 at 04:19

Geeeeee Renee you ‘like that there are options for WOMAN’
More pre-programed entitlement, that for the most part funded by daddy govt. no matter when little missie decides to take advantage of them.
So many men see their ‘options’ as…earn money that someone else spends so he can die earlier.

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Neurogal March 17, 2011 at 06:26

@ Nergal

In any country where women have “careers”,not jobs, birthrates go down the shitter.The women won’t have kids. I’m serious. Look at the birthrates from developing countries as women are afforded more independence. You will get a chance to do this because feminists at the U.N. are working overtime to export the shitty situation we have in the first world to all third world countries./blockquote>

Sigh. It’s true. This year UN has offer ‘assistance’ to draft gender equality law and establish the gender equality commission here.

Apparently my country, even though has signed the Cedaw agreement, is still imposes reservations on the Cedaw due to interpretation of sharia law.

Somehow the local feminists are saying that Muslim women has now less right then non-Muslim women (one Muslim feminist even called it ‘apartheid’).

At least my local English newspaper has stated the truth -

“But there are still people who scratch their heads and ask: What do women really want?

The answer: Women want what men have. The freedom to choose whatever life they want – not to be confined by ideas of what they should or should not be, what they can or cannot achieve. The right to be anything, to set their sights as high, as wide and as far as ideas and action can take them.

It’s as simple as that.”

I’m starting to think these people are delusional.

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mgtow March 17, 2011 at 06:57

@Lord Viktor

Don’t kid yourselves, gentlemen. The minority of women speaking out against feminism are only teaming up with us because they see the gravy train is about to go off a cliff.

Yes, that is correct. Be very suspicious and cynical when some women claim to be ‘on our side’. Usually, these weasels come from the so-con camp.

Another tactic these women attempt is to depict feminism as an originally altruistic movement that somehow got hijacked by the radfem dykes. That’s a lie from the pit of hell. There was nothing good about feminism. There is nothing truthful about feminism.

If feminism really bothered these women, why did they wait till now to speak up? It’s the gravy train, stupid. They want to go back to the good ol’ days of Marriage 1.0, where the man is the dutiful and obedient provider.

Screw that! I’m going my own way. You broads can go work your fingers to the bone and finance your own ‘lifestyle’, as well as provide for any bastards whom you have squirted out along the way.

Do it yourselves, ladies. I’m OUT.

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Renee March 17, 2011 at 07:32

Apparantly based on my comments I’m a feminazi, a sexist, and entitled. Have the definitions of these terms changed or what? Well I know who I am so think what you want.

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Mickey T March 17, 2011 at 12:21

Schlafly quote?

What’s all the fuss?

So what if it is only alleged and nobody here actually heard it, it may be out of context, and it may be a phoney liberal/feminist story. After all, it’s only 22 years ago, and it is an entire sentence.

So what if she’s done major political work in the men’s rights area for over a quarter century,which can be verified through credible sources. And she’s even written book called “Equal Pay For UNequal Work”. So what!

I say string her up.

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zimmy March 18, 2011 at 06:39

“Now that more and more women are abandoning the sinking ship of feminism, will this mean that we men will have to go back to shoveling the fuckin’ gravel?”
——————-

Men are still”shoveling the ___ gravel.” It doesn’t matter whether it’s under feminism or not. The “gravel” is always there. Feminism only demands that men shovel it faster.

As to Ms Schlafly, I would much rather sit at a table with her than with the
many false feminist prophets who truly hate men. At least she wouldn’t be scowling at me for being male.

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Ivo Vos March 19, 2011 at 03:47

@Renee
The hypothesis to be tested is : Feminism makes women more happy. The falsification is whether feminism correlates with more unhappiness of women, which seems to be the case. So, even without knowing anything about causation, the statement feminism makes women more happy is apparently not true.
The conclusion is the absolute and relative unhappiness of women may have been caused, among other things, by feminism.
Mr Douthat embarks on his personal journey into the imaginary, or in other words dreamed up, alternative realities that never existed. Where have we witnessed this before. And in his imaginary perfect constructed world that unfortunately for us mere mortals will never exist he supposes that feminism is good for women. It should have made them more happy. Problem is it didn’t, even without embarking on a pointless debate about correlation/causation ‘errors’, which in most cases always happens to occur when sociologists frame their musings into a logical-mechanistic concept.
Luckily for the feminists, in the alternative reality, there is always hope.
And, luckily for us, mere mortal men, the statistics show that we really did catch up quickly after we started to realize what feminism actually stood for. Just a lot of misery.
I agree with his final comment ‘What we can’t say is that it confirms our suspicion that feminism was bad for women’.
We might conclude that it confirms our suspicion that feminism was bad for men and women.

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Michael March 19, 2011 at 05:25

“You use the “Conservative” as a character defect of some kid when describing Phyliss. Why? Do you think ALL Conservatives have nothing but “bad thoughts” and want to keep all men in bondage? Well, this Conservative has been speaking out about the unfair treatment of men probably longer than almost everybody here. And I’ve taken a lot of heat, insults, done without and spent some money through the years. Phyliss was very helpful in my learning the truth about the Dem party and I’ve changed many a vote, hundreds possibly thousands. ”

I agree with Mickey T and I’ll also extended that to the Republican/Capitalist party as well. Lots of MRA’s get on my nerves when they start babbling about libertarian women, neoconservative, capitalist women and right-liberal women and put them in the same boat as traditional conservatives and reactionaires. It’s your own fault that you can’t distinguish between them or better yet fault them for what liberalism has done which is by the way a quite absurd and a trait common among the liberals I’ve dialogued with. Or who knows you’re just a liberal who rebelled against one stream of liberalism (feminism) while still believing in other things in liberalism and you view conservatives as “prudes”. Look the MRM has plenty of good ideas and observations but this is where I divorce. I don’t want “men’s rights”. I don’t want a mirror male image of the women’s movement. I don’t believe in democracy, equality, individualism and so forth. I want the community, society, order, the family and transcendence. If this can’t be achieved I’ll gladly “go John Galt” as written in the Ayn Rand book. I’ll drop out of this sick society and find a wife who isn’t left-liberal or right-liberal but has a traditional conservative and reactionary worldview. But I’ll never go alone unless it’s a last resource. And who knows maybe with the Internet I don’t have to seek. I’ll seek her out, settle down and fight for the ideals I believe in as best as I can.

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Michael April 7, 2011 at 06:30

I’m 50 and I’ve ghosted. I live a quiet life and enjoy mainly temporary relationships. I’ve been watching the changes and I’ve noticed modern women are living a cross between Sex & The City and The Housewives of Whatever County.

It’s either free and easy sex while being a career girl, or it’s gunning for a rich husband, and then living off the divorce settlement. Lots of younger men are giving up and simply getting by. Over the last 5-7 years, the majority of guys I’ve seen in business are absolutely against marriage. They enjoy relationships, but cannot tolerate the behavior of women more than a couple of years or so.

Feminism did devalue men. It launched efforts to break up any society or institution that was male-only, and created a world where everything was female-centered. Religion and civics organizations are now women’s chit-chat societies and very unserious. Politics is now female-dominated, and the younger more attractive candidate always wins.

When men feel society only wants them for a paycheck, why should they care? Why not become a ghost and live under the radar? The so-called manginas staff the courts and police. The subset of men who always kneel to women are in charge, so nothing will change. Our media celebrates gays and predatory women. Men are portrayed as idiots or out of control, lecherous fools.

If you are intelligent, thoughtful, decent and able to create a life outside the system for yourself, I recommend doing just that. There’s no reason to be concerned with systems that see no value in you. Take your energy, your wages, and your spirit and take care of yourself first.

Pretty simple, really.

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Renee April 30, 2011 at 12:31

Where is God in all of these comments. God created both man and women. Too many of us worry about what others think instead of what God says. I’m am not a feminist but the wife of a man and the mother of two daughters. I am happy and where I live. I have girlfriends who are also wives and mothers. Some have been married many years to the same man and are very glad of that, others are divorced. Not one divorce that I have personal knowledge of has ever been the result of “more freedom for the woman”. Most are a result of unfaithfulness either by the husband or the wife or substance abuse. I do not advocate marraige or put it down. I am happily married to a wonderful man. Some people are meant to be married, others maybe not so much so. Figuring this out before marrying and creating another life is something that few people do and wait until it is too late to decide that what they did was a mistake from the get go. How does this relate. Much of our happiness is truly tied to the choices we make. do we really think God created man and women to be at constant odds with each other? I know that if broken down you will find men and women who would cut each others throats (metaphorically speaking) mostly because of a specific situation that happened in their lives, however as a christian and having for years surrounded myself with other christ followers i have to say that I have found the most encouraging men and women to each other that I know. Most people are not faaaaaaaar right or faaaaaaaaaaaar left, and we must not forget that when the media highlights anything one thing. I like that someone is mentioning that not all women are sad and suppressed and feel that men are to blame but this is something that I have known my whole life.

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EvolvingFeminist May 10, 2011 at 19:30

Great article. I agree that the feminist movement has created a lot of confusion and unhappiness in women. Many of us like the idea of being empowered to educate ourselves, pursue our careers, and many other options now available to us. However, it seems to be some trade off that we have to make peace with in certain situations. I have met women who chose the career path, but can not find a husband. Then, I have met the women who gave up careers for the family who are also unhappy. Each group is not anti-men, but definitely unhappy. I agree with a previous comment that is about self discovery early on in life. If we wish to be happy, we must know if we are the marrying/family type or the career only type before we make the choice. We also must stop the infighting among women and bridge the gap between men and women. I love my family, caring for, and supporting them for many years. Then, I experienced a change and upon self discovery experienced unhappiness. Presently, I am seeking peace and how to reconcile those feelings to not deny myself happiness and still support the family.

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conbot May 17, 2011 at 21:21

What a load of BS! The whole point of feminism is choice! I want to live in a world where I can gain employment, regardless of my gender. I want to live in world where whether or not I marry or have children has no bearing on how I’m viewed by others. I want to live in a world where I am free to be financially independent. And I want to live in a world where I can vote and make contributions to my country as an equal and legally recognized person (for good or bad).

I am a happy feminist! I love my husband as much as I love my career. I love that I can spend my days working in a job that I love and then come home and enjoy my time with the person I love most in the world. I love that him and I support each other equally and make decisions together as a couple and not as master and subordinate.

This is the life that I CHOSE and I’m happy to live it.

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Jesslyn September 15, 2011 at 13:51

My heart breaks reading this. I am so grieved to hear the anger and resentment for woman and the pain that these men have experienced at the hands of this culture and the women in their lives. I consider myself a traditional woman and I LOVE MEN. I am sure I have a lot of tendencies toward feminism as it was the culture I was brought up in. It has taken marriage (in which I offered to sign a prenuptial agreement) and having children to realize that women can’t have it all (despite the best of efforts) and raise well adjusted kids and have a happy mate. I don’t think that choices are cut and dry and I don’t belive that you can make either choice without careful thought and possibly reevaluating all of your former beliefs. I also believe that alot of sacrifices must be made and generally they need to come from the woman as like it or not she is the natural care giver.

My heart breaks for the misguided information we have all received from society from the beginning of our lives. And the pain that subsequently follows both for men and women. There is a design to life and family and to treating each other with the respect we all deserve. BUT! This is not a lost cause! I am reeducating myself and will teach my children thru my actions and words that we are all valueable by virtue of being alive. I will teach them this despite what society dictates. I don’t want to lose the value that men have to offer for the sins of my parents and our society.

Peace and Much Love.

Jesslyn

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