Loud Noise, Weak Signal

by Delusion Damage on March 15, 2011

“Every night I talk to God, but he don’t say nothing back”
-rap lyrics, “50 cent”

When you talk to people, they will likely say something back. When you talk to people on the internet, you’re almost guaranteed that most of the people who say something back will not be the ones your communication was intended for. Anything you say will be misinterpreted to suit the needs of a slew of respondents – and I use the word “respond” generously, since it implies actual consideration of the message that has been received – who really just want to yell their favorite delusions at other people in order to bolster their own sense of trust in them. These people aren’t having a conversation with you, they aren’t even arguing with you – the constant, loud repetition of a delusion-affirming mantra is a solipsistic activity. It requires another person only in the capacity of recipient – the flow of information is one-way: these people are only sending, they will not receive no matter how cleverly you respond to them. It’s a broadcast, not a discussion. Trying to have a conversation with such a person is like trying to have a conversation with your TV – it will say something back, but that doesn’t mean it understood or even heard what you said to it.

Like an echo chamber, the internet will send back noise for any noise you put out into it. Most of it will be just that – noise. Some of the noise will be cleverly disguised as words, but do not be fooled, that doesn’t mean communication is happening.

The signal put out by The Spearhead is starting to gain more power now, and the noise coming back from the various voice-activated loudspeakers of the great virtual echo chamber is growing louder in response. Like we’ve gotten used to the fact that most email is spam, we will have to get used to the fact that most responses to thoughtful writing are not thoughtful writing – they’re just the auto-responses of mechanistically operating entities which parsed your message, detected a close relationship between the words “feminism” and “bad” and automatically generated a pre-fabricated response for you. There was no higher thinking involved, it was just an instinctual reaction to noise, like a little girl who hears an animal bleating and bleats back.

The Spearhead readership like the audience of all media is comprised of two categories: those for whom the message is intended, and the rest. The people who are being written for – the ones who receive the communication, interpret the signal correctly and understand the message – are not likely to say anything back unless they have something to say. They are, by necessity, people who think, and that means they usually think before they talk. They try to make sure their communication is laden with value for those who receive it. If they have nothing of value to add, they will likely not respond. Some will take the time to write up a short thank you comment, but the signal coming back to The Spearhead from its intended audience will always be weak compared to the noise coming from the voice-activated auto-responders. For every signal that comes back from a reader who appreciated the message, there are more who appreciated the message and found nothing of value to add to it, thus remaining silent.

The much more vocal segment of the audience is those readers who are not being written for. They are the ones who will not think about the message – they will not decode the signal past a few words that will allow them to do what they want to do: relegate the message into their private “bad” category and yell their own never-changing mantra back at its source. Where they find their trigger words – a well-written article, an offhand comment to that article, it doesn’t matter. What matters is that these people are looking for an opportunity for self-affirmation by yelling their deluded beliefs at other people, and as soon as they see their trigger words, their brain registers such an opportunity and they start yelling.

The content of their yelling will not be a response to the content of your message. It will more than likely be a direct reflection of what happens in their head: relegating your message to the “offending” category. This will usually manifest itself in a response as some variation on the basic “offending message – must be yelled at and silenced” directive:

The Spearhead outputs a relatively controversial signal that will get caught in the “offending message – must be yelled at and silenced” filter of many, many people with a dire need to affirm their delusions through the yelling of mantras. It will also be received by many who appreciate the message but say nothing back. In what The Spearhead hears back from readers, the noise will likely always be much stronger than the signal.

Our editor in chief is burdened with a difficult balancing act: putting out an effective message for those who are its intended recipients while simultaneously exercising control over the most controversial articles in order to keep the reactionary noise at a manageable level where the weak signal sent back by those who appreciate the message can still be heard.

The fact is, if you aren’t being opposed, you aren’t saying anything new. You aren’t relevant. Right now, The Spearhead is very relevant: the sheer amount of noise coming back from the opposition is a testament to that. Everyone who was ever right about anything fought an uphill battle against the reactionary noise of the masses who always cling to the old for a sense of security, trying to bleat as loud as they can to drown out the offending truth. If ever a time comes where the signal from those who appreciate the message measures up to the noise from those who are offended by it, it’s a sign that it’s probably time to reevaluate how relevant the message being put out is.

And at times when the response seems overwhelmingly negative, we’ll do well to remember 50 Cent’s relationship with his God:

Every night we talk to men but they don’t say nothing back.
That doesn’t mean they don’t hear us.

Delusion Damage specializes in exploring the hidden causes of everything and figuring out how to make a lifetime as a man in the modern world the best it can possibly be.

{ 63 comments… read them below or add one }

Uncle Elmer March 15, 2011 at 14:18

They are being meme-rogured, and they don’t like it.

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TFH March 15, 2011 at 14:23

More manginas doubling down :

http://ubyssey.ca/opinion/katic-womens-issues-are-universal-issues/#comment-21293

At this point, they are creating a false meme of ’95% of all domestic violence is done by men’. Totally false.

Invade that shit and tell that mangina that he is part of a ‘third gender’, the modern equivalent of Chinese Court Eunuchs.

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Firepower March 15, 2011 at 14:26

For TOO long, the Liberal Democrat Party Message has been hammered into helpless, dim heads by the MSM.

No longer.
THEY (along with Hitler) proved propaganda works.
Our turn, now…

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keyster March 15, 2011 at 14:31

Just keep the quality content of this site coming and when commenting…
…try to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way.

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Days of Broken Arrows March 15, 2011 at 14:55

I’ve been with you all since the beginning and try to make it a point to say “good point” when I see one.

Keep up the good work. the haters will always be there.

Most importantly, remember that the old-fashioned feminist memes were in place before most of us were born. It’s gonna take a long time to get an alternative mindset formed. Be happy The Spearhead has had as much interest as it’s had so quickly.

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Lovekraft March 15, 2011 at 15:02

MRAs are an intelligent, insightful lot, and having trolls like Skadi come in only demonstrates to the casual observer that we are actually respectful and prefer to stick to the topic at hand (which is why her non sequitors and ‘feelings’ get downvoted into oblivion).

The herd thought we men would be good little soldiers, pay our slavetaxes and be happy with the UFC, NFL etc etc. But the seams are starting to wear in that our movement is being connected to global financing rackets and other progressive/Marxist lunacies.

I prefer being involved in this movement than kowtowing to the MSM definition of manhood.

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TFH March 15, 2011 at 15:07

I love four things :

1) Logical destruction of PC shibboleths
2) Asymmetrical warfare against evil
3) Game
4) Multi-faceted economic and technological disruptions

All four are manifested in the anti-misandry sphere..

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BeijaFlor March 15, 2011 at 15:37

Remember Schopenhauer: “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” FemLib and The Feminist Mistaque passed through the first in the Sixties, the second in the Seventies, reached the third in the Nineties – and what truth was in it, swept a huge bodyguard of lies into power. (I almost typed that “bawdyguard,” and I kinda wish I’d left it that way.)

Where is our truth? The first stage, passing into the second. And we have at least as much “vested interest” to push through as did the Suffragettes.

The Spearhead may be but a voice in the wilderness, but it is being heard. Thank you. Continue!

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Demonspawn March 15, 2011 at 15:58

I think I need to print out this article and keep it in my back pocket. When people I talk to start to do the “he said feminism was bad, must spew bullshit” routine, I can just pull it out and hand it to them.

On a related and humorous note: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2164

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vp046 March 15, 2011 at 16:08

I’ve not commented before because, like the author said, I didn’t have anything to add, but have read this site for quite some time. I want to thank all you guys – this has been a godsend to help me make sense of things during a very difficult time.

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classic Joe March 15, 2011 at 16:19

This website is great. The content is great, Welmer is a great writer in this context. I’m a nobody so I hesitate to declare stuff great but this place is great to me. The comments are also great.

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V3N0M1300 March 15, 2011 at 16:53

Keep going to popular sites and arguing with the feminists. They won’t see reason, but we should keep responding to feminists for the benefit of any neutral parties who are reading the discussion and haven’t heard about workplace fatalities 9Something I didn’t know about at all before discovering the MRM)

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tom47 March 15, 2011 at 17:26

I think it’s time to radicalize our arguments and pull the discussion towards our end, to put the opposition on the defensive. Let them argue against us for a change.
We want to promote idea like the following:
Men don’t need women to establish identity or value in their lives.
Women who are not kin ARE sex objects and reproductive devices.
Men don’t”owe” women anything and they aren’t doing us any favors when we enable them to have sex, children or relationships with us.
We will not “man up” and we reject the notion of what that means.
We demand “property rights” to our children.
We seek independence from women up to and including the right to independent reproduction via technology. We encourage funding for these technologies and demand the right to use them on a “who’s supposed to decide” basis.
Let’s get ahead of the curve and lead.

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ActaNonVerba March 15, 2011 at 17:40

I think spending time/space worrying about what feminists are saying is a mistake. What they do is the equivalent of stamping your feet and holding your breath. Give that attention; let that disrupt you, and you’ve already lost.

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NWOslave March 15, 2011 at 17:47

This is off topic but a good cause…’Short Version: Veterans’ groups have contacted Fathers and Families and asked us to do a rapid campaign in support of Oklahoma’s SB 528 and SB 917–bills to protect 2.5 million active and reserve military servicemembers from spousal support abuses.

We want you to email and fax a letter in support of the bill by clicking here. You only need to enter your name, email address, phone #, and city & state to participate, and we will send an email and a fax to all relevant legislators.’

http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?page_id=13758

Here’s an easy way to start helping men reclaim their rights. Go to the link, all you have to do is follow the instructions. It takes like 2 minutes of your time and no money. Help veteran’s from being raped in family court. Everyone can agree on this, don’t just talk about mens rights, it’s time to make a stand.

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Lyn87 March 15, 2011 at 18:18

Is it worthwhile to debate our opponents on hostile or neutral forums?

Not everyone is comfortable in debate. Unfortunately many who are comfortable are very bad at it anyway. As a skilled debater I enjoy wading into a sea of falsehood and poor logic and laying waste around me. The cream will rise to the top quickly, even online. For most open-forum debates the lurkers probably outnumber the debaters by a wide margin. I consider them to be my primary audience, since people who chime in are probably already too emotionally invested to be persuaded by facts and logic, even when the case against their belief is overwhelming. Of those people who do join the debate, most tend to be people who have a great deal of passion, a small amount of knowledge, and almost no ability to use logic. I generally swat those people away with a precise and pointed barrage of logic to make them 1) look really stupid, and 2) realize they’re heavily outclassed. I tend to be utterly merciless with those types – a Mk21 warhead applied with the precision of a laser scalpel, delivered in a tone of sneering contempt. As long as I refrain from just being rude back they may not be convinced, but they’ll usually shut up.

A few of them sometimes hang around because, being unable to understand the proper construction of an argument, they don’t even realize that they just lost one by first-round knockout. Those people are the most fun since they can be made to paint the other side as, again 1) really stupid, and 2) heavily outclassed. The very best opponents are those that have just enough knowledge to convince themselves they know what they’re doing. They make excellent foils. Remember that your real audience is the lurkers whose minds are not made up – not the bucketheads flinging childish insults and specious arguments at you. Those people are actually em>helping you, since they allow you to showcase your strong arguments against their weak ones for the benefit of the undecided.

Eventually the clever ones on the other side will tell the knuckleheads on their own side to stop arguing like 3rd-Graders. I’m always civil to those people – I won’t back down an inch when I have facts and logic on my side – but I’m civil. It should go without saying that if you don’t have facts and logic on your side, and at your fingertips, you have no business representing your side in an open forum. To borrow from the author, you’re all noise and no signal. One of the things I hate when I’m debating a clever opponent is having to tell well-meaning but ill-informed people on my side to, “PLEASE stop trying to help me if all you can do is call names and bring up points already decided.”

Of course if one’s opponent makes a valid point be quick to agree, as they find it disarming and it shows that you’re intellectually honest. Even better is when you can acknowledge the point but explain why they’re misapplying it, since it shows that you’re one step ahead in that you already understood their point before they even made it but have looked beyond it. “You’re correct, but here’s why your point is irrelevant in this case…”

Debate is a skill that can be learned. I think there is a place for it if one understands both its utility and limitations.

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Richard P-Man March 15, 2011 at 18:29

My comments are among the most mindless.

I think…

I am not sure.

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EconE March 15, 2011 at 18:37

It reminds me of the housing bubble blogs circa 2005-2006.

The REIC (Real Estate Industrial Complex) comprised of (r)ealtors, mortgage brokers, etc. etc. would find our blogs and either try to shout us down, shame us (for being renters), or ridicule us in any number of ways.

Here’s the problem.

These days, the REIC has taken a “if you can’t beat them, join them” stance, and have done their best to ingratiate themselves into the community and consequently manipulate from within.

Sooner or later (hopefully never), I expect to see that here at The Spearhead and any other MRM based locale. With fortitude, the MRM will still stand strong and not play into their games.

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andybob March 15, 2011 at 18:50

What matters is that these people are looking for an opportunity for self-affirmation by yelling their deluded beliefs at other people, and as soon as they see their trigger words, their brain registers such an opportunity and they start yelling.

Women call this “sharing”.

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Aharon March 15, 2011 at 19:04

Classic Joe wrote: I’m a nobody so I hesitate to declare stuff great but this place is great to me.

Joe,

You are a man. You are a brother. You are welcome here.

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Yo March 15, 2011 at 19:33

The easiest way to approach a debate, if you are ultimately seeking the truth, is to focus on definitions and evidence.

Honest confusion and paradoxes can almost almost be traced to problems with definitions.

For example, in “what is the sound of one hand clapping?”, the word “clapping” is defined, but the question itself is not.

First make sure that what you are debating is perfectly clear.

Then, whenever applicable, require evidence at each step, before proceeding further.

This will make it possible for all to see if what is being debated actually exists in the real world, or if it exists only in the befuddled or delusional mind of your opponent.

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DevilDog March 15, 2011 at 19:43

I think feminist trolls are great, because when they post complete BS, Spearhead readers completely break down and destroy their arguments and delusions with facts, evidence, and logic. Something that’s impossible for feminists to do.

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Uncle Elmer March 15, 2011 at 19:48

The Sissy Duckling.
By Harvey Fierstein. Illus. by Henry Cole.
Simon & Schuster, 2002.
(jPS Fier) Ages 4-8.

Elmer is derided by his father and schoolmates for not being like the other male ducklings until he proves that a “sissy” can be a real hero.

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James March 15, 2011 at 20:03

@ Yo!

Good insight.

Unfortunately, most people are not good people – me included.

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criolle johnny March 15, 2011 at 20:25

Whoever yells the loudest is in charge?
Whoever yells the loudest is right?
Whoever yells the loudest gets the most votes?
Oh, WAIT! That last one is TRUE!
scary

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Omnipitron March 15, 2011 at 21:05

Okay, this may sound like a stupid question, but please, bear with. In this time as Lyn 87 said, it pays to sharpen one’s debating skills. What are some things one should keep in mind in order to contribute in a meaningful way? It seems to me that we are reaching a critical time and the more we stay on topic during debates, the more ground we may be able to win.

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Omnipitron March 15, 2011 at 21:06

Good insight.

Unfortunately, most people are not good people – me included.

You and me both my man, you and me both. This is why learning whatever we can is imperative.

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Rob March 15, 2011 at 21:24

Your messages are getting through, I, and many others hear you.

Keep that signal strong lads.

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RMM March 15, 2011 at 21:26

@TFH:

“””More manginas doubling down :”””

Went to put a comment but unfortunately they closed commenting down already. What’s the typical half-life of a discussion over there?

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MRA March 15, 2011 at 22:09

“For TOO long, the Liberal Democrat Party Message has been hammered into helpless, dim heads by the MSM.”

Conservative boilerplate, irrelevant to anti-feminism.

It is the right’s agenda – free markets, neo-conservatism, neo-liberalism – that causes and sustains feminism.

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Epoche* March 15, 2011 at 22:15

EconE March 15, 2011 at 18:37

It reminds me of the housing bubble blogs circa 2005-2006.

The REIC (Real Estate Industrial Complex) comprised of (r)ealtors, mortgage brokers, etc. etc. would find our blogs and either try to shout us down, shame us (for being renters), or ridicule us in any number of ways.

Here’s the problem.

These days, the REIC has taken a “if you can’t beat them, join them” stance, and have done their best to ingratiate themselves into the community and consequently manipulate from within.

Sooner or later (hopefully never), I expect to see that here at The Spearhead and any other MRM based locale. With fortitude, the MRM will still stand strong and not play into their games.
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There are far too many who will refuse to be reconciled or castrated in this regard. The spearhead is groundbreaking but I expect and hope for the rhetoric to be even more outrageous and disgusting as the economy gets worse.

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Yo March 15, 2011 at 22:46

“In this time as Lyn 87 said, it pays to sharpen one’s debating skills. What are some things one should keep in mind in order to contribute in a meaningful way? It seems to me that we are reaching a critical time and the more we stay on topic during debates, the more ground we may be able to win.”

Omnipitron,

I wouldn’t start with formal books on debate or logic, unless you like that sort of stuff.

Debate and logic essentially amount to putting stuff together in a way that makes sense and supports your point, and doing that tends to come naturally to men.

But before you can do that, you have to learn to recognize and expose what your opponents are slinging, and these paperbacks can help:

A Mathematician Reads the Newspaper by John Allen Paulos

How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff

How We Know What Isn’t So: The Fallibility of Human Reason in Everyday Life by Thomas Gilovich

How To Think Straight About Psychology by Keith Stanovich

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Robert March 15, 2011 at 23:39

OT:

Top 10 Men’s Rights Issues
Submitted by anthony on Tue, 2011-03-15 10:02.
Article here. Excerpt:

‘The editors at the Good Men Project Magazine asked if I could write a piece on the top 10 issues for men’s rights activists (MRAs). As I am only one man, I felt I could not speak for the rest of the community on how we prioritize issues. So I came up with 17 things we consider problems men face and set up a poll. (I would like to thank everyone who voted, especially from Men’s Rights Reddit.)

It is important to note that the poll is far from perfect. It has a small sample size, and the ability to pick a single issue did not go over well with many MRAs—in their mind, the goals of the movement aren’t so easily prioritized—they’re all important and interconnected. That said, while this poll isn’t perfect, it does, to some degree, reflect the distribution of priorities among those MRAs who participated.’.

http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/the-top-10-issues-of-mens-rights/

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16414

5 Ways Feminism Has Ruined America
Submitted by anthony on Mon, 2011-03-14 04:55.
Article here. Excerpt:

‘The bottom line, says Venker, is that, “Feminism has sabotaged women’s happiness.” Worse, she adds, it’s flipped male-female relationships upside down. Just one example: Men more than ever are seeking love, marriage and kids while women want independence.

The book is controversial, especially in liberal circles, for lines like this: “Unfortunately, once feminism came along, women abandoned their pedestal in droves and decided they wanted to share the man’s pedestal with him. They claimed they wanted both sexes on the same pedestal to represent equality and prove men and women are the same. Instead, they found themselves in conflict. Since there isn’t enough room on a pedestal for both of them, feminists pushed men off to make room for themselves.” She added, “That’s not equality. That’s matriarchy.”

‘From the book and our recent interview, Whispers has pulled this list:

Five Ways That Feminism Has Ruined America

1. It hurt marriage. Women want to wait so that they can keep their identities longer and men are finding easy sex, taking away a big reason for marriage.

2. Undermines child rearing. More kids are in childcare where discipline is lax resulting in a “epidemic” of bad kids, childhood obesity, and bullies.

3. Two-income trap. With both husband and wife working it’s hard to live without life’s luxuries.

4. Undermines college sports. Title IX has ended many male-only sports at some colleges.

5. Emasculates men. It’s better to be a wuss than speak up or mouth off and face charges of harassment or chauvinism.’.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/03/04/5-ways-feminism-has-ruined-america

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16408

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goldenfetus March 16, 2011 at 00:29

Enough! Ok, I have to ask and accept the ridicule: WHAT DOES ‘ROGURE’ MEAN??

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Philip March 16, 2011 at 03:53

Iv decided that all fem trolls are welcome, give me a chance to hear there slogans and think up a response. There has been many a time a leftist troll has come out with unbelievably daft mantras that left me bumb founded. But now with the help of sites like this i know what to expect and i can laff it off and respond more easily. I honestly think that woman’s study’s is all about teaching women how to befuddle men with useless slogans.

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Gendeau March 16, 2011 at 03:55

Apologies to anyone called ‘Roger’, but I think ‘Rogure’ is meant to be the sexual act ‘roger’ (I’d spell it, but I could well be wrong)

as in “he gave her a damn good rogerring” (shagging)

that’s just my guess.

Uncle Elmer is the true expert; he has been wading in female porn ‘literature’, luckily he hasn’t suffered any mental damage… :)

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Ken March 16, 2011 at 04:47

Someone here needs to write a book….
call it “GHOST ~ The American Man on his Own”

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 05:56

OT.

http://ubyssey.ca/opinion/katic-womens-issues-are-universal-issues/#comment-21293

@Katic,

“95 per cent of cases of domestic violence are committed by men. Clearly, it’s time to rethink manhood.”

YOU might need to rethink YOUR manhood. One of the things about being a man is being honest. This 95% number is a lie. A complete lie. You know it. Me? I’m a real MAN. So I know that at LEAST 50% of the reported violence in intimate relationships is by women and where only ONE party is violent it is the woman 70% of time. I know that lesbian relationships are the MOST violent relationships.

So I don’t need to rethink MY manhood. But you, you liar, might need to rethink YOURs.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 05:59

PS. Mangina Katic has closed his comments! LOL!!

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Aharon March 16, 2011 at 06:25

There has been many a time a leftist troll has come out with unbelievably daft mantras that left me bumb founded.

For a rational, honest, and thoughtful person the most difficult ‘debate’ topic to respond are often statements that are irrational and females seem to be highly skilled at spouting crazy claims. In today’s PC society, we are often publicly refrained from using common sense and straightforwardness with crazy feminists so we sometimes have to waste time responding to her in an adult manner.

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BeijaFlor March 16, 2011 at 06:29

@NWOslave March 15, 2011 at 17:47
“This is off topic but a good cause…’Short Version: Veterans’ groups have contacted Fathers and Families and asked us to do a rapid campaign in support of Oklahoma’s SB 528 and SB 917–bills to protect 2.5 million active and reserve military servicemembers from spousal support abuses.”

Maybe “off topic” for this article, but decidedly ON TOPIC for the MRM! Thank you for posting this. I worked with military and ex-military colleagues through my whole career, and this “pension grab” is definitely abusive as well as being particularly obnoxious.

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Opus March 16, 2011 at 06:30

PAN is surely right: Consider: Have you ever hit a woman? Have, to your knowledge any of your friends hit a woman – even once? Surely not. Now ask yourself : Have you ever been hit by a woman? I certainly have on a number of occasions ( and I am not including here the emotional violence of ad hominem attacks and shaming language, so beloved of the ‘fair sex’). The same goes for friends of mine.

Likewise have you ever heard of a woman being attacked violently on the street at night? Surely not. Yet have you ever been so attacked or seen anyone being so attacked. The answer is surely yes.

In other words physical attacks on women are rare to the point of statistical irrelevance but the same cannot be said for physical attacks on men.

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greyghost March 16, 2011 at 07:19

Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 05:56

OT.

http://ubyssey.ca/opinion/katic-womens-issues-are-universal-issues/#comment-21293</blockquote
I went and checked that out. That was the funniest thing I have read in a long time. I'm proud of those guys challenging that mangina and proud of all of the men here that spread the word and understanding to those guys. The confidence and fearlessness showed through. They added plenty of links,so if any man or woman notice the difference in the comments of a man vs a mangina's they have some where to go and find out.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 07:56

Enough! Ok, I have to ask and accept the ridicule: WHAT DOES ‘ROGURE’ MEAN??

Thank you for asking. “Rogure” definition : To be rakishly, though not necessarily unpleasantly, fornicated by a rogue.

Example : Todd and Sarah were aghast when they found out that the ne’er-do-well Levi was roguring their precious daughter Bristol.

Example : I left the company on a handshake, but the bastards rogured me out of my unemployment benefits.

Example : It appears that the ladies were rogured, but they were not raped.

Alternate spelling : roguere

Historical entymology :

From The Secret Diary of William Byrd of Westover, 1709–1712 :

8 September … saw two women, a mother and daughter who stayed about two hours and then came Mrs. Johnson with whom I supped and ate some fricasee of rabbit and about ten went to bed with her and lay all night and rogured her twice …

11 September … I wrote some English till nine and then came Mrs. S-t-r-d. I drank a glass of wine to our good rest and then went to bed and rogured her three times. However, I could not sleep and neglected my prayers….

14 … About eight I went to Mrs. Smith’s where I met Molly and had some oysters for supper and about eleven we went to bed and I rogured her twice …

17 … about seven I went to Mrs. FitzHerbert’s where I ate some boiled pork and drank some ale. About nine I walked away and picked up a girl whom I carried to the bagnio and rogured her twice very well. It rained abundance in the night.

6 October…. endeavored to pick up a wh— but could not. I neglected my prayers, for which God forgive me …

7 October … picked up a wh— and carried her to a tavern where I gave her a supper and we ate a broiled fowl. We did nothing but fool and parted about 11 o’clock and I walked home and neglected my prayers …

16 October picked up a woman and went to the tavern where we had a broiled fowl and afterwards I committed uncleanness for which God forgive me. About eleven I went home and neglected my prayers.

20 October … to the play where I saw nobody I liked so went to Will’s and stayed about an hour and then went to Mrs. Smith’s where I met a very tall woman and rogured her three times …

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Gendeau March 16, 2011 at 08:05

Thank you for the education Uncle Elmer, I bow to your superior knowledge (and spelling).

Apologies to any ‘Roger’s out there for 3 decades of abusing your good name. I knew not what I was doing.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 08:11

Happy to clarify Gendeau. From the previous thread where there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth on this issue, I added :

“Roger” sounds ridiculous, like some jolly butt-pirate. It does not contribute to the overall credibility of the men’s movement, whereas “rogure” lends a genteel, sophisticated tone to what otherwise would be an offensive rabble.

Let’s keep it profesh, guys.

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Opus March 16, 2011 at 08:20

That may all be true Uncle Elmer, but if, like me, you are a fan of the late Sir Harry Flashman V.C. [1822-1917](whose memoirs are so adroitly edited by the late George MacDonald Fraser) you will see that Harry does an inordinate amount of ‘rogering’ – though of course in the 19th rather than the 18th century.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 08:29

Opus : George MacDonald Fraser

Oh yeah, I have read some of his books, which explained a lot about my cracker ancestry. Such as “The Steel Bonnets: The Story of the Anglo-Scottish Border Reivers”, fascinating, well written. I thought he also wrote “Culloden : The Last Jacobite Uprising” but could not find it on Amazon. Anyway I will check out his Flashman series, thanks.

Also interesting reading for you white guys : “Albion’s Seed : Four British Folkways in America” by David Hackett Fischer.

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Gendeau March 16, 2011 at 08:32

Thanks Opus, good to know that I was defaming ‘Roger’s mistakenly for all those years, but from now on I’m going with Uncle’s version – keepin’ it profesh indeed!

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 08:36

Wikipedia : Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC KCB KCIE (1822–1915) is a fictional character created by George MacDonald Fraser (1925–2008), but based on the character “Flashman” in Tom Brown’s Schooldays (1857), a semi-autobiographical work by Thomas Hughes (1822–1896).

In Hughes’ book, Flashman is the notorious bully of Rugby School who persecutes Tom Brown, and who is finally expelled for drunkenness. Twentieth century author George MacDonald Fraser had the idea of writing Flashman’s memoirs, in which the school bully would be identified with an “illustrious Victorian soldier”: experiencing many 19th century wars and adventures and rising to high rank in the British Army, acclaimed as a great soldier, while remaining by his unapologetic self-description “a scoundrel, a liar, a cheat, a thief, a coward—and oh yes, a toady.” Fraser’s Flashman is an antihero who runs from danger or hides cowering in fear, betrays or abandons acquaintances at the slightest incentive, bullies and beats servants with gusto, beds every available woman, carries off any loot he can grab, gambles and boozes enthusiastically, and yet, through a combination of luck and cunning, usually ends each volume acclaimed as a hero.

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Now why aren’t these stories required reading for our young men?

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SingleDad March 16, 2011 at 08:37

I don’t see why MRA are cooperating with the Good Men Project.

By looking at their site, they have already coopted this movement:

The Good Men Project now speaks to the 10 most important things to a movement they are trying to destroy.

This was done on purpose by them. At this point co-opting behavior will also double down.

What are you guys thinking.

http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/the-top-10-issues-of-mens-rights/

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Migu March 16, 2011 at 08:46

I don’t see why MRA are cooperating with the Good Men Project.

By looking at their site, they have already coopted this movement:

The Good Men Project now speaks to the 10 most important things to a movement they are trying to destroy.

This was done on purpose by them. At this point co-opting behavior will also double down.

What are you guys thinking.

It’s a tried a true strategy. Look at the Tea Party.

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ConantheContrarian March 16, 2011 at 08:50

@goldenfetus. Rogure is Uncle Elmer’s misspelling of roger, as in “shag.” Why he spells it that way, I have no idea. It drives me crazy, but Elmer is a good soul, and his prescription of “roguring” for women is spot on.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 08:57

Conan, “rogure” came to me in a vision, after the appearance of “Going Rogue” by Sarah Palin.

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2011 at 10:04

Cross-posted, for your pleasure :

About the Gyn Men Project.

What we have here is a classic case of bad marketing. This may be the Spearhead’s biggest flaw but can be corrected to draw in a critical mass of webclicks.

We need to make a call for papers. These “trojans”, just like on the GMP, will get linked to the bigger websites that people can surf on the job. Draw them in, then bitch slap them with the truth. Take a page out of Kay Hymowitz and Sarah Rosin’s playbook.

Suggested titles :

Tips for Getting Your Man Back to Work

Harassment : Do You Have Grounds for a Lawsuit?

How Today’s “Good Men” are Secretly Supporting Their Wive’s Careers

The High Price of Foreign Brides, and How More Men are Starting to Appreciate American Women

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 16, 2011 at 10:54

greyghost March 16, 2011 at 07:19

Yep…the mangina Katic got so many comments from men calling him on his lies he shut off the comments real quick…surprised the mangina Katic didn’t delete them.

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Tom936 March 16, 2011 at 11:48

Comment-voting has been immensely helpful to us who “are not likely to say anything back unless [we] have something to say”.

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goldenfetus March 16, 2011 at 21:21

Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate Uncle Elmer’s persistently-witty humor, but that piece had been escaping me.

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ZenCo. March 16, 2011 at 21:46

The MRM needs to get past the political bickering.
There’s simply too many Democrat-voting blue collar guys on the East Coast who’ve been hosed to ignore.
Stop letting the Blue Team/Red Team rules WHICH THEY WANT YOU TO PLAY dictate our terms.
Simply put, this movement is about basic human rights. Apolitical.
We should be listening to our black brothers who can, all too well, tell us about the ‘Great Society’ programs of the ’60′s and, first-hand, tell us what to expect. They got hosed first in all of this.
It is my belief that this movement needs to stay away from MSP (Politics) and welcome all men regardless of some political club they joined.

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XS March 17, 2011 at 06:50

I’m a regular reader of this site, usually 3-4 times a week, and enjoy the articles and comments. However I don’t respond much for the simple reason that I don’t have much to add to the debate and don’t want to just post platitudes, so probably low noise.

My 10c would be a dual approach of disseminating the lies and making provocative statements as Tom suggested:

I think it’s time to radicalize our arguments and pull the discussion towards our end, to put the opposition on the defensive. Let them argue against us for a change.
We want to promote idea like the following:
Men don’t need women to establish identity or value in their lives.
Women who are not kin ARE sex objects and reproductive devices.
Men don’t”owe” women anything and they aren’t doing us any favors when we enable them to have sex, children or relationships with us.
We will not “man up” and we reject the notion of what that means.
We demand “property rights” to our children.
We seek independence from women up to and including the right to independent reproduction via technology. We encourage funding for these technologies and demand the right to use them on a “who’s supposed to decide” basis.
Let’s get ahead of the curve and lead.

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XS March 17, 2011 at 07:05

Women’s magazines are always giving 10 tips for women, I’d suggest the same for men like:

10 WAYS TO SPOT IF SHE’S A SPOILED FREELOADER

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Firepower March 17, 2011 at 08:29

That’s a good idea that could prove exploitable.

vote up

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Vortac March 17, 2011 at 12:49

“We demand “property rights” to our children.”

You actually have rights to your children, as long as you do not register them (most people register their children, thus giving rights to them away, without full disclosure though).

No law requires anyone to register their children.

(This goes deeper, but just research the difference between “legal” and “lawful” – you know, the freeman-on-the-land or “meet your strawman”-phenomenon which we all suffer from to some degree – see “Rob Menard” videos or Johnny Liberty videos, for example to get a rough idea of what a “person” means, for example – I have recognized some people here to already know this, but they don’t talk about it much here in The Spearhead)

- Vortac

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