Young Woman Gives Birth to Baby Boy, Decapitates Him

by W.F. Price on March 10, 2011

Laura Lynn Hickey, A Centralia Washington woman, gave birth to a live baby boy, at some point cutting his head off and stashing him under the sink before paramedics, called by a neighbor, arrived. When she arrived at the hospital, she told the medics she was having a miscarriage, but they could tell she had given birth, and asked her where the baby was. She told them where she’d put the child, upon which police went to her home and collected the tiny, headless corpse.

It took a week for investigators to ascertain that the child had been born alive, upon which Ms. Hickey was arrested.

According to investigators, Ms. Hickey has given no reason for the decapitation. Perhaps she felt that because the child was delivered prematurely, she was within her rights to exterminate the boy. Feminists who focus on reproductive rights have consistently argued that any baby is fair game for killing prior to full-term delivery, and their stance may be influencing young women across the nation in regards to infanticide.

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piercedhead March 10, 2011 at 12:25

Considering how many babies are aborted, and how many are abused and killed by their mothers, clearly women no longer want the job very much – not to mention how much better off the babies would be. It’s about time serious attention was devoted to artificial gestation technology, and women were freed to become the imitation men they clearly would prefer to be.

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Ken March 10, 2011 at 12:32

and the younger generation of women are even more
flippant about unborn life! It is a tell-tale toll about a civilization
when the most vulnerable of human life becomes as cheap and
disposable as it is now.
To all those politicians, judges, and “activists” in favor of abortion among other nation-wrecking ideas…..THANKS ALOT!

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modernguy March 10, 2011 at 12:33

Sounds like extreme hatred against the father. Women who want to get rid of the baby to avoid the baggage that makes alphas ignore them would probably just drown them or throw them in a dumpster. In any case, it’s always to do with men.

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The Trend March 10, 2011 at 12:52

Not to worry- she’ll do what all women do when they’re jammed up and play the rape card.

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finndistan March 10, 2011 at 12:55

Girls are made of sugar and spice.

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Elusive Wapiti March 10, 2011 at 12:59

This case absolutely illustrates the moral bankruptcy of the abortion rights crowd.

If a baby is inside his mother’s vagina, he’s fair game for the butcher’s knife.

If he is outside, then he has full personhood rights.

The difference between the two babies? About 6 inches.

Men, you want abortion to stop? Refuse to have anything to do with a murderous abortionette.

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Richard P-Man March 10, 2011 at 13:10

@Wapiti – abortionette – I like that… LOL…

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Uncle Elmer March 10, 2011 at 13:20

If you can keep your head about you while all about you are losing theirs…

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Towgunner March 10, 2011 at 13:25

tell tale signs of a civilization gone rotten and another sign of decline. Funny how the leftist agenda talks about being advanced and progressive yet embraces everything backwards and animalistic about human nature. Infanticide, homosexuality etc. If the cultural marxist are to win, sometimes I just wish they would hurry up and finish the job. Alas, I am a man and I am defiant and I will be to the end. So, F the cultural marxist, this is my culture and not a small group of elites to experiment with. It’s difficult to propose to the MRM that society is in dire need of a major overhaul starting and stopping with the complete rejection of relativistic morality and the re-statement of absolute right and wrongs based on a Judeo-Christian fabric. Yes, I said it Judeo-Christian values! These same values would largely self-regulate through the most effective yet least intrusive (in terms of state involvement) method for keeping people in line – peer pressure. Alternatively, when you have an active, dedicated, targeted, malicious and state sponsored ideology, feminism, that is encouraging this kind of behavior both tacitly and directly, what do you expect?
feminists will likely come to the aid of this monster mudding the waters as they always do by applying doublespeak and convincing the trolls in the media that she was the victim. Of course, is it too much to ask from our culture managers that maybe we can circumvent some of this barbarism IF they stop encouraging people to have sex all the time? After all this women wanted to have sex, didn’t stop to think about the consequences, got knocked up, and that is a real party stopper for her, so she chops of the head of her own flesh and blood.
By the way ladies, you are really looking like the superior sex. Yeah right!

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Binxton March 10, 2011 at 13:25

This woman already had two other children turned over to CPS. She also lived in a trailer and very likely lived on welfare.

A post-feminist society should see to it that welfare mothers (and perhaps their children) be sterilized.

A post-feminist society should also see to it that abortion rights be stripped from women.

Women’s rights must never again be a criterion for determining if and how abortion is carried out in the future.

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Aharon March 10, 2011 at 13:27

If a father had done such an act to a infant girl would we be seeing his photo in the media report along with accusations of misogyny? No way of knowing for sure yet we all know the media bias.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 13:39

What strikes me most about this particular case is not that the mother murdered the baby in an especially gruesome way but that she seems to have believed that she could deceive people with relevant expertise.

Yet again I’m reminded of my first wife, and to a much lesser degree my second.

I believe that it is in the nature of all women to lie in order to escape the consequences of their actions, even if the lie is transparently obvious. Such behaviour is not uncommon in the female of the species and men have too often paid the price. It’s not their fault (nothing ever is), it’s just the way they are and they cannot help themselves, and it’s yet another reason why the word of a woman cannot be relied upon. (Before the less cerebral readers of this forum – and there are some – commit outraged and witless fingers to keyboards I would say that the foregoing is not in any sense an apology for the disgraceful behaviour of women; it is an observation in favour of their disempowerment.)

The more ‘freedoms’ and ‘rights’ are surrendered to women the more we are shown why those freedoms and rights were previously denied to them. Our ancestors have been here before us and I believe they understood that female emancipation is not good for men, the human race or women.

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Opus March 10, 2011 at 13:41

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V3N0M1300 March 10, 2011 at 13:41

I was pro choice as a teenager but this whole abortion thing sounds more like “do what thou wilt” every day.

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Lyn87 March 10, 2011 at 13:46

Where’s Henry VIII when you need him? He had a particularly apropos way of dealing with things like this: Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard come to mind.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 13:47

Opus wrote: ‘Oh you men, you are so cruel. If only you knew the havock being pregnant and giving birth plays with your hormones, you would show some mercy to this poor woman.’

There’s that old ‘hormones’ argument again. If only you knew the havoc women’s ‘hormones’ have played on men’s lives you’d understand why we are sick of being expected to be merciful when a woman commits yet another dreadful act, an act that, were it committed by a man, would result in his destruction.

Short answer: Bollox.

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Eric March 10, 2011 at 13:47

Can’t help but wonder if she still would have done this if it was a baby girl.

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The Private Man March 10, 2011 at 13:48

She’s troubled and in need of counseling.

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mananon March 10, 2011 at 13:50

@ William Gruff

I think Opus was being sarcastic.

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Opus March 10, 2011 at 13:53

I was of course assuming the persona of Little Miss Opus, but really appreciated what William Gruff wrote. Cross Referencing (this) with what I am reading at the moment can throw up inciteful parallells. I am reading the introduction to Middleton’s 1622 play The Changeling . Our heroine Beatrice (who incites murder) has to be one of the most self-centered, deceitful, dishonest, manipulative, abusive, hypocritical, promiscuous and vicious females in all Jacobean and probably any literature but as the intro makes clear feminist critics see her as a victim. Ye gods, is there nothing they won’t excuse.

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Uncle Elmer March 10, 2011 at 13:53

It was a cry for help.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 13:54

The Private Man wrote: ‘She’s troubled and in need of counseling.’

She’s deranged and needs to be removed from society.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 13:58

Opus: I understood the irony and should have put you and we in inverted commas. I forgot to put the quote in italics as well. More speed less haste, as they say.

My apologies to you if you felt I’d misrepresented you. That was not my intention.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 14:01

mananon wrote: ‘ … I think Opus was being sarcastic.’

Yes. See my reply to Opus above.

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Binxton March 10, 2011 at 14:03

William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 13:39

The more ‘freedoms’ and ‘rights’ are surrendered to women the more we are shown why those freedoms and rights were previously denied to them. Our ancestors have been here before us and I believe they understood that female emancipation is not good for men, the human race or women.

I wholeheartedly agree. Restoring true balance between the sexes requires disempowering women from the rights and freedoms they’ve won during the past century. It is vital that men understand that women ultimately cannot be free individuals to the same extent as men.

Great post.

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Coastal March 10, 2011 at 14:03

NAWALT but POWGLEBMBTBHLFSGWAI…. plenty of women get less enraged by murdering babies than by harsh language from some guys writing about it.

Hey, in a civilised society this is the sort of thing you’re meant to be unreasonable about. A child was murdered but the female outrage is saved for the really serious stuff, like an uber-beta cartoonist stepping two inches off the reservation. Call me hard line, but if your first thought on hearing of a baby boy having his head sawn off is sympathy for the killer, you are *like that*.

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Anonymous March 10, 2011 at 14:03

This is why I sometimes advocate that women should not have abortion rights but should have ‘kill the baby with her bare hands in the first two weeks of its life’ rights. Then we would know what monsters they really are.

On a related note check out this ridiculous article:
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/02/miscarriage-death-penalty-georgia

Someone clearly had the stones to introduce strong pro-choice legislation. Jen Phillips tried to equate the bill-writers with mother-murders in typical feminist style.

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mananon March 10, 2011 at 14:07

@ William Gruff

Sorry William, I sent my last message before your other message appeared.

Scary thing is, what Opus said about this woman’s hormones will probably be the cornerstone of a very effective crimimal defence…

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Days of Broken Arrows March 10, 2011 at 14:08

‘Oh you men, you are so cruel. If only you knew the havock being pregnant and giving birth plays with your hormones, you would show some mercy to this poor woman.’

Which is exactly why women should not occupy positions of power. Feminists want it both ways — women able to be supreme leaders when it suits them and women at the mercy of their hormones when it suits them. Can’t have both.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 14:14

Opus wrote: ‘ … Ye gods, is there nothing they won’t excuse.’

I suspect you know the answer to your question, which is: Anything and everything done or said or thought by a man.

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POIUYT March 10, 2011 at 14:15

1.
Young Woman Gives Birth to Baby Boy, Decapitates Him.

2.
A Mississippi mother was arrested Wednesday in the death of her 3-year-old son after authorities said they found the child’s burned body in an oven. Washington County Coroner Methel Johnson said police found Tristan Robinson’s body inside the electric oven at his mother’s apartment shortly after midnight. Johnson said the child had been burned in the oven, but an autopsy was ordered to determine whether he died before or after being put there.

Greenville Police Chief Freddie Cannon said Terrie A. Robinson, 24, was charged with murder. She was to be arraigned Thursday in Greenville, a city of about 35,000 residents in the Mississippi Delta.

It wasn’t immediately clear if she had hired a lawyer.

Johnson said the child’s body was still warm when it was removed from the oven.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/02/miss-mom-charged-sons-body-oven/#

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Dr. No March 10, 2011 at 14:17

At least he’ll never grow up to rape women, now…

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Phil March 10, 2011 at 14:19

towgunner,

There is no such thing as judeo-christian. Talmudic judaism and christianity are two totally different religions.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 14:21

@ mananon: And has been, many, many times. I remember well my father telling me that in English law a woman could legally escape punishment for a wide range of crimes, including infanticide, up to one year after giving birth.

That was in the bad old days of male oppression. Now we are much more enlightened and comprehend that women cannot commit crime and so can never be punished for anything.

Who said the age of chivalry is dead?

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Dubcik March 10, 2011 at 14:28

This is very, very sad. In Canada, women who kill their infants are given a reduced sentance, they call it “infanticide” and the maximum sentance is 5 years. I’ve heard alot of horrific stories, and yet I have never heard of a women getting anything even close to 5 years. Usually, no jail time is given.

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duke March 10, 2011 at 14:29

Scott Peterson is on death row in California because he killed an eight month old fetus.If his wife had not been pregnant he would have been given life inprisonment.I bet this woman doesn’t spend any time in jail.She’ll claim she was abused or has mental problems and a white knight judge will feel sorry for her and give her probation and counselling like Andrea Yates.I’ve also noticed that the vast majority of time when women commit infanticide they kill sons but they hardly ever kill daughters .

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Aharon March 10, 2011 at 14:29

… society is in dire need of a major overhaul starting and stopping with the complete rejection of relativistic morality and the re-statement of absolute right and wrongs based on a Judeo-Christian fabric. Yes, I said it Judeo-Christian values!

There is no such thing as judeo-christian. Talmudic judaism and christianity are two totally different religions.

I think he is referring to society practicing the traditional values as used to exist in society such as teaching respect for the Ten Commandments, two-parent living together raising their children, a focus on traditional ethics, dressing and behaving more modestly, etc.

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William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 14:31

Apropos of hormones: We have just as many as women but I can’t recall a single case of men’s hormones being cited or accepted as a defence for disgraceful actions. Is it perhaps that we are better than women at managing our hormones, or is it simply that we are big enough to accept responsibility for our actions and women aren’t?

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Carnivore March 10, 2011 at 14:33

Feminists who focus on reproductive rights have consistently argued that any baby is fair game for killing prior to full-term delivery, and their stance may be influencing young women across the nation in regards to infanticide.

Bill, there no “may be” about it – should be “most definitely is”.

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chi-town March 10, 2011 at 14:34

“sugar and spice.”

Golly, I hope its not come to that where they are cured like ham.

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Carnivore March 10, 2011 at 14:37

Apropos of hormones: We have just as many as women but I can’t recall a single case of men’s hormones being cited or accepted as a defence for disgraceful actions.

Sure, there’s “testosterone poisoning”, but, regardless, it’s still the guy’s fault.

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Herbal Essence March 10, 2011 at 14:37

Gruff- “Apropos of hormones…Is it perhaps that we are better than women at managing our hormones, or is it simply that we are big enough to accept responsibility for our actions and women aren’t?”

Yes. A conservative female columnist once wrote a good article on how much she hated it when women blame their hormones for stuff. She said it makes women look like helpless raving loonies at mercy of their secretions.

Insert snarky remark here: _________

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mananon March 10, 2011 at 14:46

Maybe this is what *some* people mean ‘Estrogen Utopia’: women decapitating baby boys.

Whaddya say Mr Pellisier?

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The Caliph March 10, 2011 at 14:47

@William Gruff March 10, 2011 at 13:47

Opus wrote: ‘Oh you men, you are so cruel. If only you knew the havock being pregnant and giving birth plays with your hormones, you would show some mercy to this poor woman.’

There’s that old ‘hormones’ argument again. If only you knew the havoc women’s ‘hormones’ have played on men’s lives you’d understand why we are sick of being expected to be merciful when a woman commits yet another dreadful act, an act that, were it committed by a man, would result in his destruction.

Short answer: Bollox.

Opus was being sarcastic

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The Caliph March 10, 2011 at 14:50

Usually I think solitary confinement for the rest of your days is a more apt punishment for murder than execution but in this case i’ll make an exception.

Let her head be hacked off slowly and i mean VERY SLOWLY with a bread knife.

YES i am advocating violence in this particular instance.

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The Caliph March 10, 2011 at 14:52

I guess she got the memo from that mangina (forget his name) who made an Ad depicting young baby boys as rapists to be and decided to stop the poor kid dead in his tracks.

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The Private Man March 10, 2011 at 14:59

At least he’ll never grow up to rape women, now…

I laughed out loud at that.

Thanks!

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The Caliph March 10, 2011 at 15:01

@Coastal March 10, 2011 at 14:03

Hey, in a civilised society this is the sort of thing you’re meant to be unreasonable about. A child was murdered but the female outrage is saved for the really serious stuff, like an uber-beta cartoonist stepping two inches off the reservation. Call me hard line, but if your first thought on hearing of a baby boy having his head sawn off is sympathy for the killer, you are *like that*.

The fact you would consider this perfectly reasonable line of thought hard line, i find disturbing.

Not a slight at you, but that society is at a stage where you would consider this reasoning hard line in the first place.

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Lyn87 March 10, 2011 at 15:01

You guys are right about the hormone-defense. It is a sub-set of the general pass women get in the legal realm. There is essentially no limit to what a woman can do without raising some issue about her being a woman in mitigation.

Man murders his kids: Abuser! Send him to the electric chair!
Woman murders her kids: Post partum depression! Send her to treatment!

Man hits his wife: He’s an abuser! Send him to prison!
Woman hits her husband: He’s an abuser! Send him to prison!

Man abandons his family: Deadbeat! Send him to prison!
Woman abandons her family: Writes Eat, Pray, Love and goes on Oprah.

I see a pattern here. Patriarchy, no doubt. /sarc

I say we give the little darling a choice: Either women accept all the consequences of being treated as full adults before the law, or they lose all the privileges of being full adults before the law.

If the hormones she has coursing through her veins every minute of every day can render her “not guilty by reason of insanity” for things I would never get away with, then she can’t be trusted to sign contracts, vote, hold office, and especially be alone with children.

They like “choice” so much, let them decide whether to be adults or children in all things before the law. “One woman, one vote,” then let it be settled for good.

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Snark March 10, 2011 at 15:02

I guess she got the memo from that mangina (forget his name) who made an Ad depicting young baby boys as rapists to be and decided to stop the poor kid dead in his tracks.

Josh Jaspers, Riverview Centre.

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Snark March 10, 2011 at 15:03

“At least he’ll never grow up to rape women, now…”

I laughed out loud at that.

Thanks!

I did not because, all hyperbole aside, there are feminists who genuinely and sincerely think that way.

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Jean Valjean March 10, 2011 at 15:03

As I read the story above my first thought was, “I wonder how long it will take feminists to convince lawmakers that decapitating a baby isn’t a crime and that young mothers need understanding and treatment not judgment and incarceration?”

Like most crimes that women repeatedly commit there is a tendency to explain it away and decriminalize it. For instance abandoning your children used to be a crime but now any mother can drop their young ones off at an approved location without a question asked. The purpose for these laws was to prevent young mothers from abusing and killing their unwanted offspring. Apparently incarcerating cold blooded bitches was just too much for the legions of mangina prosecutors, judges, jailers, and lawmakers.

Could you imagine a place where you go to get a few thousand dollars in cash with no questions asked? The purpose would be to prevent desperate young men from robbing banks and 7-Elevens so they could feed their family?

Never going to happen. Why? Because in the Western World we are all equal. It’s just that women are MORE equal.

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Opus March 10, 2011 at 15:03

Infanticide: another word for diminished responsibility, and although I do not know about Washington State, had she committed this heinous act in god’s own country (i.e. england) then it would not be treated as murder although I forget what sort of punishment she might receive.

Judges (until recently) had to take it on the word of Doctors (until recently) that women really are different. I say until recently because there are now female doctors and female judges who really know how it is for a woman.

That women are prone to lieing and believe their own lies is there for everyone to see. (I have set some of that out before so wont do so again now.) Schopenhauer (in my view rightly) felt that a woman should never take the oath in court because of this, but I am not sure whether that was because he knew she would lie or because he felt it unreasonable for her to take an oath – if she was going to lie. This is an old problem.I have no idea what the solution is. It seems however to be getting worse, but as it does so increasingly – I find- men gemnerally yawn at women’s protestations and treat their asservations with scepticism, thought usually not to their faces.

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ActaNonVerba March 10, 2011 at 15:10

Gruesome

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Anon March 10, 2011 at 15:17

Maybe this is what *some* people mean ‘Estrogen Utopia’: women decapitating baby boys.

Whaddya say Mr Pellisier?

I am glad to see this person getting heat..

Larry Summers was fired for saying something both innocuous, and true.

Whereas Hank Pellissier can write for the New York Times while being quite friendly with the idea of exterminating the entire male population, and not be fired…

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Angelo March 10, 2011 at 15:22

There needs to be a very clear line drawn by society demarcating what is acceptable and what is not. Then it needs to be made very clear to all that crossing this line for any reason will result in punishment that will ensure that the offender is not a danger to society in any way. It should also be understood that insanity/hormones whatever will provide no defence. If you are sane and did it, you receive life imprisonment. If you were insane/hormonal and did it, you recieve lifetime care in an inescapable mental institution. Same result, different stream. Society is protected.

Killing a new born in any way is clearly on the other side of that line. If anything it is more repugnant than killing an adult. An adult can at least mount some form of self defence. All a child or infant can do is cry. Ironically in this case, most likely for his mother to come to his aid.

Sad, horrific, evil.

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SingleDad March 10, 2011 at 15:26

Maybe she read Mr. Pellissier essay and was influenced to reduce the male population by using some radical feminist activism.

I hope her attorney looks into how Mr. Pellissier writing may have incited this murder.

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SingleDad March 10, 2011 at 15:33

Our society is making it very clear what is acceptable. Us men are just starting to catch on.

It’s acceptable to lobby for the mass annihalation of half the species and you are considered an enlightened progressive.

It is acceptable to kill your children, even teens, if your female and they came out your a@@.

It is laudable to maim or kill your lover/husband as long as you can recite the feminist code, like the boy scouts used to recite their code…I am a victim, everything bad I saw or did was caused by a man/men, I am having my period, and you are a misogynist for asking these questions….you also have a small penis.

It is not acceptable to even have a gene for testosterone and our feminist scientists are actively searching for “the creep” gene so all men can be screened at birth and put out of their misery before he “looks at” some woman.

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Opus March 10, 2011 at 15:45

I have just been looking at Blackstone (again) concerning Infanticide. Things were far worse in his day. If a woman concealed her dead child then the presumption was that she had killed it and would herself hang – a reversal of the usual innocent until proven guilty! By 1803 all that had gone and in 1938 The Infanticide act was passed into law, whereby if the woman killed her child within one year of birth and could show that at the time the balance of her mind was disturbed then a jury could bring in a verdict of manslaughter although they could also find her insane. That was the law when I studied it and I presume still is. Does anyone here have medical knowledge as to the effect of giving birth on a woman’s mind?

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 15:45

A teenage Brooklyn girl is under arrest for an acid attack on a friend during chemistry class at Fort Hamilton High School, admitting to cops that she wanted to burn the victim’s eyes out and saying she got what she deserved.

Zhanna Smsarian, 16, of 21st Avenue was charged with attempted assault and other offenses after she allegedly poured diluted hydrochloric acid over the head and face of Albina Eshimbaeva,15, of North Portland Avenue Brooklyn.

Cops said the pair were in chemistry class at 10:45 a.m. yesterday when Smsarian, sitting behind the victim, grabbed the bottle of acid and emptied it all over Eshimbaeva’s head.

Police said the acid dripped down into her face and eyes and that the teacher immediately started flushing the girl’s eyes and face with water.

The victim was rushed to Staten Island Hospital burn center, where staff said she would surely have been blinded if the acid had not been weakened when diluted.

Eshimbaeva said that she and Smsarian used to be friends – so she was “shocked” that Smsarian would brutally attack her, apparently at random.

“During [the class before chemistry, Smsarian] was staring at me and giving me an evil grin,” Eshimbaeva said. “That made me uncomfortable – somehow I knew something was gonna happen.”

When the two went to chemistry class, Eshimbaeva said that Smsarian was getting more aggressive and even stole her assigned seat.

But Eshimbaeva was unfazed – until class ended.

“She was standing behind me – I felt it,” Eshimbaeva said. “I felt something was coming. All of a sudden I feel liquid flowing down my forehead. I thought it was water, until I turned and saw the beaker in her hand that had the acid label. Then my skin started burning.”

“She should be brought to justice,” Eshimbaeva said.

Eshimbaeva denied other reports that a Staten Island boy was involved in the incident.

“There are a lot of rumors going around. I have no idea who this boy is.”

Eshimbaeva’s mother, Syrga, said that she’s both livid and scared for her daughter.

“That girl [Smsarian] is a psycho person!” she said.

She added: “She needs to be punished properly. My daughter could have been blinded!”

Eshimbaeva is already back in school and didn’t have any scars from the attack, but her mother is now worried about keeping her at the high school.

“She had redness and irritation from the acid,” her mother said. “The school teacher flushed her face with water – I think that saved her.”

“I’m very angry – any parent would be,” she said. “I’m just glad my daughter is safe.”

The victim had turned around and saw Smsarian putting the bottle down, and the teacher also witnessed the attack, cops said.

School officials called police, who took Smsarian into custody. She was also charged with criminal possession of a weapon, possession of noxious material and harassment. She is awaiting arraignment.

A classmate who knows people in the chemistry class said there was a history of bad blood between the two, and that “Zhanna was always flipping out over little stuff.”

Albina was a squad leader in the school’s Junior ROTC Tiger Battallion, and Zhanna was a member of her squad who’d broken a rule against wearing nail polish.

“Zhanna was wearing nail polish and she’s not supposed to, and Albina told. She flipped out. Zhanna’s weird, she’s always flipping out,” the female classmate said.

Dressed in patent leather shoes and a ROTC unfiorm, the dark-haired teen was arraigned today in Brooklyn Criminal Court, where the judge set a $7,500 bond and issued an order of protection prohhibiting her from any contact with the victim, including phone calls, texting and email.

She was accompanied by her parents, who declined comment, and a younger brother.

Her lawyer defended her.

“She’s never been in any trouble before. She’s an honor roll student with excellent grades,” said Igor Vaysberg, adding that the suspect also plays on the volleyball team.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/brooklyn_high_school_girl_attacks_uUQOq8FLYcCOSkBwHI9cXJ#ixzz1GFDJRKda

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 15:48

A baby-crazed teen in Arizona has admitted attacking her nine-month-pregnant friend and trying to the cut the unborn child out of her womb, Arizona police said.

Firefighters nabbed Kassandra Toruga, 18, of Maricopa in her friend’s home Feb. 16 with two big butcher’s knives, scissors, diapers and a big bag of baby clothes, local police said.

Cops said Toruga admitted she planned to kill her pal and perform a gruesome, amateur C-section because she wanted a baby of her own.

The teen was so obsessed that she told friends she was pregnant and even used an ultrasound image as her MySpace profile picture, Phoenix TV station KPHO reported.

Police said the teen has a history of mental illness.

Firefighters were at the scene because Toruga set fire to her friend’s closet during the horrific attack, cops said.

The friend eventually gave birth to the baby but is terrified Toruga will try to hunt her down and steal the child, KPHO reported.

Toruga has been charged with first-degree attempted murder, arson and burglary. She’s being held in lieu $500,000 bond.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/03/10/2011-03-10_teen_in_arizona_attacked_pregnant_friend_tried_to_cut_baby_out_of_her_womb_polic.html

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Lovekraft March 10, 2011 at 15:49

Arguing at work years ago with a pushy, feminist moron who argued the old ‘our bodies our selves’ BS, to which I replied any such action, involving murder, impacts society as a whole, thereby rendering the action open to critique.

Of course she scoffed at it, but I made my point nonetheless.

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 15:50

Cops made a grisly discovery in a mom’s kitchen Wednesday, finding the woman’s burned 3-year-old son dead in the oven.

Terrie Robinson, 24, was arrested and charged with murdering her son, Tristan, in Greenville, Miss.

Washington County coroner Methel Johnson said Tristan suffered head trauma, but he was still trying to determine whether the child was dead before being placed in the oven.

“This is a really sad moment for me. I’ve seen a lot of things, but this is one that will stick in my memory for a long, long time,” Johnson told The Associated Press.

The coroner said a young girl was found in the home and placed in protective care.

Robinson’s sister, Sherrie, told local TV station WXVT her family is in shock.

“She was a great parent, a good person. We don’t know what’s wrong. We don’t know what happened,” Sherrie Robinson said through tears.

“All we can do is cry and pray.”

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 15:53

The mummified remains of a woman gone missing for more than a decade were possibly kept in a Missouri home all those years by her elderly daughter.

The body, wrapped in a thin multi-colored curtain and plastic garbage bags, was discovered by a relative after the death of Gladys Jean Bergmeier last month.

Bergmeier, 75, was found dead on Feb. 7 in a cluttered Jennings, Mo., home filled with old newspapers, trash and other junk. A relative found the mummified body nearly three weeks later while cleaning out the house.

The body was found Feb. 26 between a wall and a bed. Authorities said the woman was too badly decomposed for an identification or a guess at when she died.

“I’ve been in homicide for six years. I’ve never seen anything like it,” police Det. Erich Von Almen told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

But relatives told police that the body was likely that of Gladys Stansbury, mother of the home’s owner. The elder Gladys moved in with her daughter after the floods of 1993.

Relatives said Bergmeier and her mother remained isolated from the rest of the family, and Stansbury was last seen sometime in the mid-1990s.

Authorities did rule out foul play in the death, but the corpse showed no signs of trauma.

Cops found the body of Gladys Bergmeier when a worried neighbor asked them to check in on the elderly woman.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/03/10/2011-03-10_mummified_remains_of_missing_woman_possibly_found_after_elderly_daughter_gladys_.html

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Keyster March 10, 2011 at 15:56

And yet, if a pregnant woman is killed, the murderer is charged with the death of two; regardless of what trimester she’s in, or even if she was ever planning to keep the fetus to full term birth anyway.

Oh wait, I’m sorry, “BABY”. It’s a called a baby if she plans on keeping it and a fetus if she plans on evacuating it from her womb.

To feminists, this woman performed a very late term abortion because the government did not provide easy access to her “reproductive health needs”.

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SingleDad March 10, 2011 at 16:08

@ Opus

Interesting date 1938….interesting time to be devalueing human life, wasn’t Adolf around about then? Wasn’t the US also fond of eugenics?

Any possibility that legislators where influenced by the idea that killing children is good for the community?

1938 was not known for some giant advance in our understanding of maternal mental health I can tell you that. Maternal mental health is as political a scientific discussion as you can have. There are no good statistics, everything is combed over and approved by feminists.

One of the current areas being funded by our US femi-science departement is how depression in females should not be used to decide custody issues:

The problem is the data shows mothers with depression are violent.

This is a very large well respected and recent study:

Research has extensively described how depression interferes with the emotional sensitivity and responsiveness of mothers toward their infants and young children.9,26 Depressed mothers are more helpless, hostile, critical, disorganized, avoidant, and impatient, as well as less competent, than nondepressed mothers. 2,25 Moreover, studies have found that depressed mothers tend to have difficulties managing distressed infants, perceive parenting as difficult, tend to be inconsistent and feel irritated by the young child’s needs, and sometimes report thoughts of harming their children.10 All of these factors subtend a hostile interaction and can eventually lead to the physical abuse or neglect of the child.1,27,28 Maternal depression has also been associated with increased negativity and poorer communication within families in general.29

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/opre/abuse_neglect/nscaw/reports/depression_caregivers/depression_among_care.html

and

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19805711

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3DShooter March 10, 2011 at 16:08

I’m at a loss for words over such a brutal act. This act was just just sad and disgusting. So much for the kinder/fairer gender . . .

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Bhetti March 10, 2011 at 16:11

God, I feel ill. How can you do that, to your own baby?

I’ve heard of post-natal psychosis, given to violence. But it could be because of drugs, or any other psychiatric problem.

But really, anyone who has a psychiatric problem serious enough to result in murder and murder of their own innocent child as well (regardless of the cause), should be locked up (institutionalised? call a rose by any other name) and the key thrown away for the good of society. Even the smallest chance of a repeat is too big a chance.

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Russ March 10, 2011 at 16:12

“It took a week for investigators to ascertain that the child had been born alive, upon which Ms. Hickey was arrested.”

Why did they have to ascertain “that the child had been born alive” before arresting her. Don’t they know that stowing a dead baby under one’s sink and mutilating a corpse (if they thought the baby was stillborn) are both crimes.

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Porky D. March 10, 2011 at 16:17

Ironic, given that most women who don’t want the baby have it decapitated before it’s born.

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Mickey T March 10, 2011 at 16:24

Ken writes:
“It is a tell-tale toll about civilization…………..”

You do use the word “civilization” in the past tense, don’t you?

The greatest of all feminist gifts was to turn us all into the barbarians that they are.

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crella March 10, 2011 at 16:36

“She’s never been in any trouble before. She’s an honor roll student with excellent grades,” said Igor Vaysberg, adding that the suspect also plays on the volleyball team.

Oh well, then, that makes it okay! :-<

The great number of mentally ill women in society today is an indicator of how well feminism, and general disdain for their bodies' basic biological functions, is working out for them.

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GT66 March 10, 2011 at 17:07

Do women have souls? Personally, I hope they do just so that this woman’s can rot in hell.

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SingleDad March 10, 2011 at 17:13

OT:

Shockingly feminist mouthpiece “Slate” is calling for commenters to lose their annonymity:

That should come as no surprise. Anonymity has long been hailed as one of the founding philosophies of the Internet, a critical bulwark protecting our privacy. But that view no longer holds. In all but the most extreme scenarios—everywhere outside of repressive governments—anonymity damages online communities. Letting people remain anonymous while engaging in fundamentally public behavior encourages them to behave badly. Indeed, we shouldn’t stop at comments. Web sites should move toward requiring people to reveal their real names when engaging in all online behavior that’s understood to be public—when you’re posting a restaurant review or when you’re voting up a story on Reddit, say. In almost all cases, the Web would be much better off if everyone told the world who they really are.

http://www.slate.com/id/2287739/

I wonder who they want to silence?

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tom47 March 10, 2011 at 17:17

It’s about time serious attention was devoted to artificial gestation technology

I’m feeling very guilty and lazy for not having finished writing about this but here it is in a nutshell.
Artificial wombs are 5 to 7 years away.
The second “maternity ward” will be economically practical in 20-25 years
Heather or Harry really will have two daddies almost any day now.
Options are coming and the time to call out for them and defend the use of them is now.

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TOM PAIN March 10, 2011 at 17:24

antidepressant is a psychiatric medication
selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)

In response to the question, “pharmakeia” is the Greek word that’s translated “witchcraft” or “sorcery” in Gal. 5:20, i.e. one of the “works of the flesh”. This Greek word is the source of our English words like “pharmacy”, “pharmaceutical”, etc. Drugs are inferred.

The study of the origin and development of words (called Etymology) can sometimes mislead as much as clarify. But narcotics and hallucinogenic drugs were not uncommon in NT times. For instance, the Oracles of Delphi apparently used *Datura* during their quests for visions. This is the scientific, Latin classification of Jimson weed. It contains powerful alkaloids (biochemical bases of vegetable origin which include many other drugs, quite a number of which have narcotic or hallucinogenic effects: e.g. mescaline, cocaine, morphine, etc. Etc.).
By David Canfil

nobody asks why?

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tom47 March 10, 2011 at 17:36

It’s important to realize that women have no “reproductive rights” without technology. Contraception, abortion and IVF are not naturally possible. The fathers rights groups should start switching to a reproductive rights stance. We want to demand independent reproduction, through “manufactured” eggs and artificial gestation, loudly and consistently enough to attract attention . We want to see outraged articles appearing decrying the fact that “MRS’s advocate artificial reproduction, call for End of Women” . Reproductive rights for men means the free use of technology, just as it does for women. The only difference is we’re seeking reproduction and they’re seeking non reproduction.
Keep talking about it, keep bringing it up. Why not seek ads for surrogacy clients on MRS sites?

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Coal March 10, 2011 at 17:47

Why do you still insist on calling women ‘Ms’?
It’s a word made up by feminists, as a response to ‘patriarchy’.
Either you’re a feminist or not. It makes no sense for you to be able to think logically and be able to see through all the bullshit of femisnism, but still buy into their made-up words and pathetic responses to imagined oppression.

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Mickey T March 10, 2011 at 17:57

I used to spend some time at a popcorn stand named Classmates Political Debate, where women outnumbered men about three to one. I wrote an article, right after a mother microwaved her baby to death because she wanted no interference in her love-life, on how we should have public executions for any mother who is found guilty of such morbid and heinous crimes. I explained that probably very few of these executions would be needed in order to get that monster-mother/baby slaughter rate way down in a short time.

Well, you should have heard those hens squawk. Seemed more concern was with the murdering mother than the victims.

But I’m still as serious as ever about it.

Re: my last post, last sentence, I do realize that there are those few who actively oppose it. But, through the influence of feminism, the country HAS basically turned to barbarism.

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tom47 March 10, 2011 at 17:58

Why not seek ads for surrogacy clients on MRS sites?

Sorry should have been clinics not clients.
Ten percent of women have enough difficulty with pregnancy that an AW would be welcome to them. Add those too vain to get fat and you have a ready made market of women alone. Just don’t let them regulate us out of it. We want the same “who’s supposed to decide” rights for ourselves.
Interestingly enough some pro lifers because of a clause in Roe vs Wade that allows States to regulate abortion at any point where the fetus is viable even if “by artificial means” Imagine how hard it will be to mantain the fiction that women “make babies” or that it’s “part of ” their bodies or “belongs” to them when you can see it growing in a machine. Does it belong to, is it part of, is the machine making it?

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Binxton March 10, 2011 at 17:59

Coal March 10, 2011 at 17:47

Why do you still insist on calling women ‘Ms’?

It’s a word made up by feminists, as a response to ‘patriarchy’.

Exactly.

The appropriate salutation for unmarried women is “Miss” and for married women Mrs. — nothing else.

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Rebel March 10, 2011 at 18:11

Let me see where we are:..

A new born baby has no right to live (infanticide no longer seen as murder).

Meaning a woman may terminate a child’s life if she choses to.
Meaning a woman may (technically) terminate anybody’s life if she so choses.

Does that ring an alarm bell?

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Alcuin March 10, 2011 at 18:29

The problem with leftists in general and feminsts/western women (as if there’s only one problem) is that they have eliminated the transcendent, ie. God, and have replaced that healthy spirituality with a spirituality that revolves around anger.

Check out Charles Taylor, Dilemmas and Connections.

Western women are angry rather than Christian/God-fearing/spiritual (in the true sense of that last word). In our sentimentalized society, western women have sentimentalized their anger more than anything else.
An habitually angry person does things like slander men; fill herself with greed, entitlement and resentment; abort her babies; and, oh ya, cut babies heads off. I almost forgot that last one.

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Saige March 10, 2011 at 18:47

Women have killed millions, if not billions of humans throughout our history at the earliest and most helpless stages in our development, within their uterus and soon after birth(note that offspring are unique human beings to both their parents, being a kind of mash up of both. ) and yet men are painted as the murderous archetype. Amazing. A-mazing.
Female abortionists have always been around plying their trade in poisons and techniques. Eager to snuff unwanted helpless newborns, foetus and embryos.
There’s nothing as cowardly and low as a woman.
Abortion is carried out for the sake of luxury and convenience.
I have nothing against abortion, just pointing something out.

Women being relinquished of their control over human reproduction would be the best thing to happen in all of human history.

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greyghost March 10, 2011 at 18:54

piercedhead March 10, 2011 at 12:25
Considering how many babies are aborted, and how many are abused and killed by their mothers, clearly women no longer want the job very much – not to mention how much better off the babies would be. It’s about time serious attention was devoted to artificial gestation technology, and women were freed to become the imitation men they clearly would prefer to be.

This is some good game. Imagine getting the empowered cunts to use some of that women’s health money on an artificial womb. All under the guise of helping women that can’t carry a child. Women would be all for it until they started noticing men were getting them for thier own use. If you thought Hymowitz was histerical before wait until men get the the artificial womb.

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SingleDad March 10, 2011 at 19:09

Shhhhh!

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SingleDad March 10, 2011 at 19:10

Seriously If I could back and do it again, I would have picked the surrogate in a heart beat.

Hopefully I’m one of the last of the men that thought they could trust women.

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Aharon March 10, 2011 at 19:12

If you thought Hymowitz was histerical before wait until men get the the artificial womb.

— The feminazis will simply have their pals in government state that men can’t be a sole parent under such conditions.

A couple years ago I posted a rhetorical question at the sfgate.com which is the site for the San Francisco Chronicle. My question asked (big very liberal pro-abortion audience) why a street thug can be prosecuted for assaulting a pregnant woman and charged with murder if the fetus/unborn baby dies when a woman has the legal right to abort that same fetus/ unborn baby. The progressives there could only attack me as a person and weren’t able to respond to my question.

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Katie March 10, 2011 at 19:39

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Saige March 10, 2011 at 19:39

Christ turds smelling the prospect of a bright future of freedom and happiness for men are starting early(at least to my knowledge) with propaganda campaigns opposing the development of an alternative means of reproduction for men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdsNra6TolA&feature=player_embedded

Count on Conservatives of every flavour and their Feminist cohorts to seek out every and all avenues to oppress men and keep them shackled within their societal pens, to be fed off as hosts for parasites.

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 19:58

@ Pain
This Greek word is the source of our English words like “pharmacy”, “pharmaceutical”, etc. Drugs are inferred.

That actually came later. Pharmakos originally meant a scapegoat. Up until the 6th century BC the Greeks performed human sacrifice just as the Hebrews did to Baal even after Abraham according to legend invented his new god, Yehweh.
Now, I have no idea how the meaning changed from a sacrifice of the scapegoat to medicine and drugs. Perhaps they killed the scapegoat with drugs and after human sacrifice died out the meaning of the word was associated with poisons and drugs.

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 20:05

@Katie-But on the other hand, women’s hormone cycles also make them extremely sexual part of the month too. So, you know, good and bad.

What’s good about that? Knowing females, they’d probably get horny that 2 days a month when I want to take a nap lol

But I think that men should also get off due to hormones. If he grabs some girl and gives her the old in-out in-out he should be able to use the whore moan defence.

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greyghost March 10, 2011 at 20:06

Katie it is ok to have hormone issues. It is ok to be emotional and have emotionals swings due to hormones. It is not ok to kill or commit crimes against others and be excused due to hormones.

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piercedhead March 10, 2011 at 20:09

Imagine getting the empowered cunts to use some of that women’s health money on an artificial womb.

The artificial womb probably isn’t that far away.

Premature babies are now being successfully raised at less than 21 weeks of gestation. Add to that the fact that babies are routinely being conceived in the laboratory and implanted later into the womb, and all that women are necessary for at the moment are the first 20 weeks of the average 40 weeks total gestation required to reach full development. Given the fact that this technology already has established medical need and is well funded, this 20 weeks will only keep shrinking.

In the past, animal breeders led the way with artificial insemination and probably will do so again with full-term artificial gestation – there are certainly massive commercial advantages in speeding up the development of superior bloodlines in livestock without the bottleneck of a gestating mother.

Artificial ova are already a reality and can be synthesized from male gametes. Considering the ubiquity of sperm, the scarcity of eggs and sperm’s unique property of being gendered, there’s every likelihood that artificial insemination of the future would be dominated by male donors – as both genetic fathers and ‘mothers’.

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greyghost March 10, 2011 at 20:11

Aharon

The feminazis will simply have their pals in government state that men can’t be a sole parent under such conditions.

Just say you are part of a gay couple. Use the bullshit against them

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greyghost March 10, 2011 at 20:15

Throw in the male pill and you will have Men Gone Thier Own Way. Artificial womb,male pill, and xbox 360 and man is free.

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tom47 March 10, 2011 at 20:40

Eggs have been “induced” from skin cells, male and female. It’s part of the process of creating adult stem cells. I have a link somewhere stating that it takes 3 days and a bath of 4 proteins to induce 70% of donor skin cells into eggs.
It also states:
Thousands of laboratories have the equipment to do this.
Most scientists DO NOT believe you can create sperm from female cells.
Considering that mice have already been created with 2 fathers, “Now we don’t need ovaries” is almost here.
Of course we could always create large quantities of eggs from selected females if the idea of “guy eggs” is too upsetting. It would change the supply and demand ratio of sperm to eggs by thousands of times.

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tom47 March 10, 2011 at 20:41

Throw in the male pill and you will have Men Gone Thier Own Way. Artificial womb,male pill, and xbox 360 and man is free.

Don’t forget sperm sorting which allows for both gene selection and sex determination.

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tom47 March 10, 2011 at 21:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiD2CGkoNts
OK so I’m lame maybe this time. Great song

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Aharon March 10, 2011 at 21:21

Just say you are part of a gay couple. Use the bullshit against them

— Now that is a good one!

Women really are trying to play God these days.

— That’s a good observation too.

Most scientists DO NOT believe you can create sperm from female cells. Considering that mice have already been created with 2 fathers, “Now we don’t need ovaries” is almost here.

Tom47,
Interesting post. I had been under the impression that it was the other way around with feminists laughing how it is possible to have a baby now without the men being involved at any point. Maybe that is cloning a cell or something. This is all in a subject I know virtually nothing about.

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 21:47

tom, you don’t need an artificial uterus even if it were possible (it isn’t). We have plenty of females to chose from to use as breeders if we want. You just have to condition them first as in the original Stepford Wives and then train them to take the pill every time the bell rings in town. I suggest that we first use the Ludovico technique (you saw it used in Clockwork Orange) where we can condition the female to hate feminism and get violently ill even at the mention of it and to be subservient,obedient and docile around men. Of course we will only breed the genetic slim and hot ones with a high IQ which will be used for men’s benefit. The fugly and dyke types will be liquidated, we’ll starve them to death. We don’t need more people but a higher quality people and we’ll breed for this.

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CM March 10, 2011 at 22:05

REVENGE OF THE ABORTED BABIES!!!

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Avenger March 10, 2011 at 22:28

piercedhead-there’s one problem with that. Humans developed within a specific environment on earth. We are not smarter than nature. However, we have been doing everything these past 50 years and probably much longer that is against the natural order whether through laws or just giving benefits to the less fit. If this continues we’ll have a large % of useless imbeciles to contend with in the future. And you shouldn’t care too much about abortion because the females who have them are probably not the type who have that maternal instinct and will just pass on their defective genes and bring another problem and expense into the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-6TkmaVNSg&feature=related

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piercedhead March 10, 2011 at 23:52

piercedhead-there’s one problem with that. Humans developed within a specific environment on earth.

I think it’s rather arbitrary to consider ‘natural’ Earth as our specific environment. Every time we create something new – such as concrete cities, food manufacturers and disease-fighting pharmaceuticals – we have materially changed the environment we live in, and it is this new, constantly-changing environment that becomes our evolutionary milieu. I would conjecture that we are better suited now to thrive in the artificial world of our own making than we are for the forests and hunter-gatherer life-styles of our forbears (at least in the sense that our modern environment supports many more of us than an agrarian closer-to-the-Earth one).

That’s not to say that we have created an artificial world that is no longer subject to the uncertainties of existence though. I suspect we’ll always have our numbers culled by unforeseen events, and if we’re able to adapt we’ll rise up again to face the next game-changer. I would argue that an accumulation of fatal genetic weakness brought about by artificial reproduction methods that threatens the entire human race is every bit as ‘natural’ as planet-wide crop failures, or a Gulf of Mexico scale asteroid collision.

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Troll King March 11, 2011 at 00:30

OK, guys…let’s not fall into this trap. Let’s not make this about abortion. What this sick cunt did was evil and fucked up and probably had more to do with evolutionary biology than anything else. Females eat their young in the wilderness all the time and human females do the same for some fucked up reasons but this isn’t so much about abortion as it is about how women are too stupid to take care of a child. I am as sickened by this as anyone and could rage on about it all day long. Did she do this to get back at her imagined slights caused by a unknowing father? Was she simply looking at it as no different than if she hadn’t delivered it? Is she similiar to those stupid cunts that throw their babies in the dumpster and then go back to prom like nothing happened? I don’t know.

What I do know is that the abortion angle may get some hits and debate started but it isn’t a good argument for several reasons. First, let’s look at what abortion really is. Is it a woman’s right or choice over her own body? NO! It isn’t. Is it the death of a child? Well, it depends on the definitions.

On a philosophical basis abortion is not about either of the above but instead is about when a life is considered a morally relevant life. Some cultures figured that it wasn’t until 2 yrs old that a baby was morally relevant or considered a moral human being. This is why anthropologists find mass graves of babies outside of what looks to be ancient whore houses. Now, we can define this as we please and truthfully I find the whole idea of abortion somewhat sickening but that makes no difference as far as honestly goes.

Let’s be honest. Partial birth abortions are actually incredibly rare, despite what the pro-lifers who put up pics of aborted fetuses on my campus claim. Most doctors won’t go near partial birth abortions and that is one reason that feminists hail certain docs as hereos….like tiller.

Now we need to be factual here. Partial birth abortions are incredibly rare and usually only performed when womens lives are at risk. It has been a few years since I researched it but last I did there were something like 20 done in a single year. Again, it depends on how you define it but it is usually defined as being done in the 3rd trimester or past the second. But again, this is incredibly rare as far as abortions go and even more this is only playing into our enemies hands. They will take these arguments and paint us as abortion doctor killers….

My dad used to perform abortions and I got stalked by KKK members who put his face and my face on websites as a child. I had these fucks showing up at my school in middle school and honestly, that is fucked up. Especially considering that I live in the state with the highest number of KKK and the least tolerance for evolution being taught in schools and a huge feminist lobby at that. TN isn’t great.

Now again, I see abortion as fairly fucked up. I have told my dad the same thing. Hell, I told him that he was immoral for performing circumcisions and he countered that he was one of the first in the 80s to use pain medication.

Now, where are we going to stand on this issue guys? Are women stupid little creatures that don’t even know when they are pregnant? Or are they moral agents who should be held completely accountable for their choices, IE….her body, her choice, HER RESPONSIBILITY?

I personally, again, see abortion beyond the first trimester as fucked up and complete shit. The fetus has a heart beat by then and is developing beyond a clump of cells. At the same time though, I am not going to sacrifice myself for a pregnant woman because it isn’t a child but instead a parasite and my life is more valuable than a parasite and the parisitical woman attached to it. Or it attached to her. One of my first bosses started to see me as a human shield and I had to follow her to the bank for the night deposit all because she was preggars and she was a fuckin cunt. After wasting my time not getting paid I finally said, FUCK THIS and told my bosses that I was a stock boy and not a body guard and if I had to do body guard or security duty then should be paid more for it….I ain’t a human shield for random ass women.

Now, I do think that you have some points here. How far have women and this cultural ideal of lack of life gone? Could the abortion craze be behind this woman killing her child? I can see the link but I kinda doubt it. Women have always looked at children as a burden and it terrifies me how women seem to think the answer to everything is to just up and kill it. They truly are heartless and cruel and then they claim they are nurturing and empathetic…WTF? It boggles the mind.

But abortion? Especially late term abortion, which is what I read into it??? I don’t think so. If this was a woman who was 7 months preggar and cut herself open and then decapitated the child…then maybe. But it seems she gave birth and then cut off the boys head and…FUCK! That is some realy misandric hate for maleness right there. She must have really hated her father or the baby daddy. The real fuckin question to me is why it took a week for the police to do something about this????

Why does it matter if the child was born or almost born? Either it was alive and she cut it’s head off or it wasn’t, either way it seems to me it would be illegal. Either murder or desicrating a body or corpse. I can’t go and dig up a corpse and cut it up and it be legal, so why would it be any different if it was a miscarriage???? Oh wait, it is part of a womans body and is her choice….or something? I kinda wonder how much this type of shit is related to cutting. Women cut themselves to cause pain and some cutters I have dated have told me that it allows them to feel alive or in control. I wonder sometimes how much abortion is similiar in that way, especially when the feminist argument is basically about being in control of herself….think about it guys.

But again, I think this is a weak link to link this to partial birth abortion or abortion at all. I think a better link has to do with the father of the baby and evolutionary theories about how females kill the child when a father isn’t around….or how the safest place for a child is in the biodads home.

Now, I really think we need to ask ourselves one question. How should we approach abortion and women like this? These are two separate issues but they are intertwined in my mind. Should we see women as moral agents culpible for their own actions or should we see them as children needing control from men or the state?

As far as abortion goes, I am more concerned with men having not just financial abortions but the abiltity to force abortions on women within a small set of time and a legal obligation of informing the father or potential fathers of the pregnancy. I know many would see the act of forcing a abortion on a woman as cruel but really, when feminists and prominent ones at that have live blogged their abortions then….wtf, I don’t see it as a big deal. I actually spend more time at the dentist than most girls spend in a abortion office. It takes more time to heal from having a root canal or wisdom teeth removed than it does for a woman to heal from a abortion….

SO, why shouldn’t men have control over their genetic lineage? Consenting to sex is not the same as consenting to fatherhood or even consenting to passing on genetic material that will some day make a life. I see NO reason why a woman should have unilateral control over such decisions, especially when it takes all of less than a day for it to be removed in the first trimester or so. Hell, they have pills that get rid of it for them without having to see a doctor.

The whole idea that women have a RIGHT to have children is preposterous and should be eliminated, especially if men don’t share this right and for men to share this right it would equal rape in many circumstances. Or so feminists would claim.

So, where do us men come down on the issue of abortion. Should we control women for their benefit or should we see it as no big deal and loosely regulate it? IDK. I really don’t. I figure our answers will depend on where we are on the political spectrum. As for me, I think men should have the right to say, “No Bitch….I do not consent for you to have the right or privilege to use my dna against my will and I will not consent to being a biological father no matter whether or not I pay for the child.” I come to this conclusion based on many reasons, but the foremost is in the best interest of the child. A child has a right to know it’s parents and to have access to both parents and to know it’s genetic history. There are so many genetic based illnesses that I find it cruel and unusual that women should have the ability to lie to a child about its true nature.

But neways, WF. I think you could have done better on this one. This bitch was….well, evil and she will probably get some sort of pussy pass but still. I don’t really know what to say but I guess we are lucky she didn’t blame it on the nearest black man….amirite?

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Andrei Seed March 11, 2011 at 00:33

Uh this happens daily in ex-communist countries. Nothing to see here, move along.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-romania.html

We loved our women so much that we let them kill our future.

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Robert March 11, 2011 at 01:24

OT; Bill, if you have not read this, you migh want to.
There is a tsunami warning for the west coast of the U.S.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014462269_apcajapanearthquakewestcoast1stld.html

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Mickey T March 11, 2011 at 04:06

It is simply a manifestation of the boundless, absolute and unconditional power women have declared to be rightfully theirs. And, through their efforts, and the inactivity of men, it is the law of the land.

It was the clergy who warned that abortion will diminish all human life. And diminish it did, for all children and right through every man’s life.

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Mickey T March 11, 2011 at 04:48

As one who has done work for state and local Right To Life organizations, I see much misinformation and misleading information here, and I don’t where to begin addressing it.
But I don’t think this discussion is about abortion, but about the inhuman and shocking lengths women will go to in order to “please” themselves.
Yes, the feminist philosophy will, and does, allow for a women to behead, as one method of disposing of, her child if she sees the child as an obstacle in the way of her happiness. Make no mistake about it, any method to eliminate anybody in a woman’s persuit of fulfillment is acceptable.
Marie Antionette would be shocked at our girls.

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mgtow March 11, 2011 at 04:48

Even most wild beasts do not savage their newborn children like that.

It tells you perfectly of the (lack of) humanity in women of these times.

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Mickey T March 11, 2011 at 04:54

One is survival, the other is evil.

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Opus March 11, 2011 at 05:22

In addition to the Dilbert Award (yesterday proposed) may I suggest a Marie Antionette Award for selfless servives to the female self, however I do not think Ms Hickey is likely to be the best candidate we can find for that – I am sure we will shortly come across even more worthy candidates!

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scatmaster March 11, 2011 at 05:51

Coal March 10, 2011 at 17:47

Why do you still insist on calling women ‘Ms’?

Well ‘Ms’ is short for miserable that is why.

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Binxton March 11, 2011 at 05:59

Now, where are we going to stand on this issue guys? Are women stupid little creatures that don’t even know when they are pregnant? Or are they moral agents who should be held completely accountable for their choices, IE….her body, her choice, HER RESPONSIBILITY?

No, women are not so stupid that they don’t know when they are pregnant. But they are stupid in exercising their reproductive choices — choices they shouldn’t have been granted in the first place.

Women aren’t really capable of being accountable for their reproductive choices, nor should they be accountable. They are following their female instinct to bear children, and they do not think about the wider, long-term consequences. They certainly don’t consider how this affects men.

To hold women accountable for their reproductive choices is once again a fundamental mis-reading of women’s true nature and capabilities. It’s a mis-reading that led men to grant women the right to vote.

As far as abortion goes, I am more concerned with men having not just financial abortions but the abiltity to force abortions on women within a small set of time and a legal obligation of informing the father or potential fathers of the pregnancy. I know many would see the act of forcing a abortion on a woman as cruel but really, when feminists and prominent ones at that have live blogged their abortions then….wtf, I don’t see it as a big deal

I’m not sure what you mean by “financial abortions,” but IMO abortion should not be based on something as silly as “women’s rights.” Birth control is serious business, especially when we’re talking about the survivability of cultures and civilizations.

So, where do us men come down on the issue of abortion. Should we control women for their benefit or should we see it as no big deal and loosely regulate it? IDK. I really don’t. I figure our answers will depend on where we are on the political spectrum. As for me, I think men should have the right to say, “No Bitch….I do not consent for you to have the right or privilege to use my dna against my will and I will not consent to being a biological father no matter whether or not I pay for the child.”

Again, the basis for a society permitting abortion must be related to the long term objectives of a healthy, functioning society. As I wrote earlier in the thread, women must eventually stripped of their current abortion rights.

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Robert March 11, 2011 at 06:48

OT:

UK: ‘Work is like slavery’ says teenage girl who ‘can’t be bothered’ to get a job
Submitted by Broadsword on Wed, 2011-03-09 16:06.
Article here. Excerpt:

A young woman on benefits says she ‘can’t be bothered’ to look for work because it’s like being a slave. Sorche Williams, 19, who has been arrested eight times and expelled from two schools, expresses her views in a new BBC3 documentary. In it, she brags about using her parents’ and taxpayers’ money to pay for drink on nights out.

The workshy teenager, who has a criminal record for attacking a police officer, receives £350-a-month in benefits but admits she spends most of her weekly handout on cheap alcohol at student nights. Williams reveals that she receives her benefits on a Tuesday, which suits her because it is usually student night at bars and clubs and the drinks are cheaper.

Williams, who has no qualifications after she was expelled from two schools, is featured in the series Working Girls, which tells of young British women who choose to live on benefits rather than seeking a job.’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364437/Working-like-slavery-Teenage-girl-refuses-job-spends-benefits-nights-out.html#ixzz1G7PYVp9A

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16398

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Robert March 11, 2011 at 06:49

Canada: Woman arsonist nearly kills prominent former labor leader boyfriend
Submitted by Matt on Thu, 2011-03-10 03:02.
Story here. Excerpt:

‘She was a rising star in management at General Motors. He was a former top union leader at the car maker’s Oshawa plant. But their romance went up in flames when she was charged with setting his house on fire — with him in it.

“It’s quite a story,” says Jim Hoy, who woke up at 5:30 a.m. to the smell of smoke that day in June 2009. “Nobody believes it.”

Turns out there’s much he didn’t know about the woman he proposed to six months into their love affair, according to Hoy, who says his brother has acquired the movie rights to the tale.

It was only the day before her arrest, Hoy says, that he learned her husband was still very much alive, contrary to what she’d told him.’.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/943902–love-affair-spawned-at-car-plant-crashes-and-burns

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16399

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Aharon March 11, 2011 at 06:51

Why do you still insist on calling women ‘Ms’?
Well ‘Ms’ is short for miserable that is why.

Misandrist Ms.-Information makes womyn Ms.-erable

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 11, 2011 at 07:01

Coastal March 10, 2011 at 14:03

Yes Coastal…please allow me to echo those remarks because they are so important. Women screm blue murder at me. They want me DEAD. For what? Exposing that they are liars and hypocrites in the west in the majority. For exposing that they will not hold their fellow sisters liable for their crimes.

Yet? A woman chops a little boys head off? A woman learns to make napalm and burns a man to death? A women drowns her 5 children? A woman shoots a sleeping man in the back? These things are PERFECTLY OK BY WOMEN.

This shit stinks to high heaven. It really does.

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Opus March 11, 2011 at 07:13

Most women are very nice and never murder men in their sleep. It is true that one of my former clients did just that and so was found guilty of manslaughter, because she said he had previously abused her – not that there was any corrobarating evidence for this other than the fact that he was previously married to my client and is now dead. Some people of course would leave and go to a shelter or a convent, but not my client, a knife in the back was her style. She never attacked me and I cannot recall what she sought my assistance on; probably another Divorce. Maybe this is what International Women’s Day is supposed to be celebrating?

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 11, 2011 at 07:13

Lyn87 March 10, 2011 at 15:01
“I say we give the little darling a choice: Either women accept all the consequences of being treated as full adults before the law, or they lose all the privileges of being full adults before the law”.

Funny you should say that Lyn. I have proposed EXACTLY that and included it into the book written through me. I’ve posted these before but you are new here. These are two affidavits. One for ‘lawful equality’ and one for ‘chattel property’. I don’t care which one women choose. And in the face of ‘no expressed choice’ I will treat western women as ‘equal before the law’.

http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/threadid/586/scope/posts/Default.aspx
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/threadid/585/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 11, 2011 at 07:30

Just in case any young men live in the delusion that women use their babies to their own advantage…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365291/Crooked-bank-cashier-tells-judge-You-jail-violate-babys-human-rights.html

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Opus March 11, 2011 at 07:31

Would it not just be a lot simpler if women were exempted in toto from Criminal Law? The Law would thus reflect reality.

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Uncle Elmer March 11, 2011 at 09:22

Woman kills son for potty training accident, then eats pizza :

http://thestir.cafemom.com/toddler/117162/mom_kills_son_for_potty

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Uncle Elmer March 11, 2011 at 09:24

Not that I was reading CafeMom, it was linked from google news :

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/214450/Couple-confesses-to-killing-boy-who-wet-his-pants

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Uncle Elmer March 11, 2011 at 09:27

Neil and Greinke both confessed to drinking beer and hitting the child numerous times.

Deputies said Neil has a history of abuse with both women and children.

Will be interesting to see the sentencing outcome for this one.

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Uncle Elmer March 11, 2011 at 09:28

Greinke’s court appearance was delayed a day because she was on suicide watch at the jail.

No comment.

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Keyster March 11, 2011 at 09:31

Motherhood/Children are the NEW oppressors of women, that keep them from being more “equal” to men.

That’s why society feels like its more important now than ever before, to celebrate the mother; the heroic single mom, the exalted, tireless nurturers of life MUST be worshipped and pedestalized. They sacrifice so much of themselves to bear and raise children.

What if there’s a motherhood strike and they stop?
We have remind them of how great and special and selfless they are!
Because children can be such a cramp on a girls life style and aspirations.

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Aharon March 11, 2011 at 09:55

Psychologically, I wonder why she choose to murder her baby boy in such a way vs. someway less gruesome? I wonder what the criminal shrinks would say about her?

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Uncle Elmer March 11, 2011 at 10:32

Psychologically, I wonder why she choose to murder her baby boy in such a way vs. someway less gruesome? I wonder what the criminal shrinks would say about her?

They will say “she had a history of being abused herself, starting with her father/step father”.

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Rebel March 11, 2011 at 10:56

I have a question:

Women have made men disposable.(throw in garbage)
Women have made babies and children disposable. (throw in garbage)

Q: When will they make themselves disposable? (throw in garbage).

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Rebel March 11, 2011 at 11:01

I have another question:

Is it possible to “lock” the reproductive mechanics in a new born baby girl and to later “unlock” it after she has passed a battery of tests revealing her capacity to be a mother?

This would ensure that only those women who are still fit (if there are any left) for motherhood are authorized to reproduce.
And it could put an end to infanticide.

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BeijaFlor March 11, 2011 at 11:02

@Rebel

“Q: When will they make themselves disposable? (throw in garbage)”

It’s still a man’s job to take out the garbage.
(Check with Roissy on Citizen Renegade.)

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Lord Viktor March 11, 2011 at 11:36

@William Gruff:

I believe that it is in the nature of all women to lie in order to escape the consequences of their actions, even if the lie is transparently obvious. Such behaviour is not uncommon in the female of the species and men have too often paid the price. It’s not their fault (nothing ever is), it’s just the way they are and they cannot help themselves, and it’s yet another reason why the word of a woman cannot be relied upon.

This is why the vow of a woman was never taken seriously in the Old Testament. Read Deuteronomy. If a woman swore anything by God, she was never to be held to her oath unless her husband heard her utter it and did not disapprove.

It didn’t matter if she was on the witness stand or if she was promising to pay someone a nickel. The word of a woman was considered worthless unless approved by her man.

After seeing shit like this go down, I’m beginning to see why.

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crella March 11, 2011 at 11:41

Hormones do effect the best of us. A good woman will try to keep them in check, but sometimes things slip out and we don’t realize it until later. But then (a good woman) she will come back to the person she was overly harsh with and apologize.

Your hormonal cycles are for a purpose, and that purpose is not to make you miserable. The menstrual cycle is going to happen every month, better to take it in stride than take it out on everybody around you. The perfect time to keep it in check is before you open your mouth. Hormones do not change one’s personality. Makes very little evolutionary sense to have a cycle to facilitate reproduction that makes women so unpleasant that men stay away….

I don’t buy the idea that women ‘can’t help’ yelling at people when they have cramps and a backache. This comes back around to women being powerless in the face of their hormonal changes, if so then you shouldn’t drive or be entrusted with children five days a month. How can women claim to be as intelligent as men, as strong, as brave, and then turn around and say ‘Oops, my hormones made me do it’?

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 11, 2011 at 12:26

some quotes from Frederic Bastiat…pretty appropriate for us men. I got these from here. http://www.claimyourrights.eu/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1096

It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law.

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W.F. Price March 11, 2011 at 12:31

Crella, how are things where you are? Everything OK out there?

Mickey T March 11, 2011 at 12:58

@ Peter

Nice work. Calling for your death is always a good sign.

I like this website better than most because I see men actually doing something here instead of being content with analyzing and just bitching to one another. On other sites, when I’ve suggested, or mentioned some form of activism I’ve participated in, I got largely ignored. Here I also see many who are ready to do something.
As a grown up 1960s hippie, I am overjoyed to finally say again, “The times, they are a changing”.

Here in the US we have an abomination (mostly)of an anti male law called VAWA. Any MRA here should know what it is. It is up for renewal this year (after not being reauthorized last year), so I am “putting pressure” on my legislators requesting amendments. Once we find out what in the bill is up for renewal and when it is reintroduced, I suggest MRAs send an emails etc. to their legislators expressing their concerns.

I hope many others will follow your lead. Keep up the good work.

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Katie March 11, 2011 at 13:15

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dubcik March 11, 2011 at 13:50

A couple of points on hormones. Women have a 30 day hormone cycle, men have a 24 hour hormone cycle. Mens hormones, because they are on a daily cycle, do not have the extreme highs and lows of females, but a cycle still exists.

In addition, it has now been proven that men suffer from post-partum depression (PPD) as well, I think it was 15% or so, which is really quite high.

Although it is now scientifically proven that men suffer from PPD, there has been no suggestion that men will be included in the “infanticide” law, which only carrries a max. 5 year sentance and is a defence which only women can use. The reasoning behind it is that only women suffer from PPD.

The charge of “infanticide” should be struck from the books altogether, as it mis-used and abused in many cases, and far too many women literally get away with murdering their children, and getting sympathy while they are at it. But if the law is not stuck down, it should not remain open only as a womens defense.

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crella March 11, 2011 at 16:04

William, yes, thank you. We’re 550 miles from the quake, DH and I. Our son and his wife are in Tokyo, as are her parents so it was a bit tense waiting to hear from them, but I got texts from each of them (they work in different places) an hour and a half after the quake and later from DIL’s mother and her parents are fine too. Everyone in our family is safe.

I’m going to buy a ton of stuff and send it to Miyagi once we have an official address to send supplies to . Those poor people, I can’t imagine how awful it must be. An 8.9 is incredible. I was on the fourth floor of a building in Kobe and it swung for 2 minutes or more, I assumed it was a local quake, and was horrified to learn that it was that far up north. I knew it had to be horrible.

Thank you for asking.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) March 11, 2011 at 16:29

Katie March 11, 2011 at 13:15

All men married like me know ALL about womens ‘hormones’ and ‘cycles’. That women deny that they are difficult to deal with at ‘that time of the month’ is a complete joke to married men. Why don’t you women just confess that you are borderline insane 5 days of the month and ask for help rather than trying to deny it and torturing us all. Shit. I knew this from when I was a kid and my mum was ‘strange’ every now and then. It was not until I was MARRIED that I realised just how bad this shit was.

No. This should NOT excuse criminal activities any more than drinking alcohol would excuse a man criminal activities.

You women have a LOT to answer for. Especially the ones who claim to be ‘good women’. You are the most hypocritical of the lot. Just look at the International Womens Club of Dublin. They are ACTIVELY aiding and abetting a self confessed criminal. My ex. And they HATE on me for pointing this out and putting their feet to the fire. ‘Equal’ to me? Not bloody likley.

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crella March 11, 2011 at 16:44

Bill, I just saw foreign news footage of the tsunami for the first time online-Japanese news broadcasts are still focusing only on here. I’m just getting a handle on the scale of this thing. Is everything OK out your way?

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masculistman March 11, 2011 at 17:17

(Before the less cerebral readers of this forum – and there are some – commit outraged and witless fingers to keyboards I would say that the foregoing is not in any sense an apology for the disgraceful behaviour of women; it is an observation in favour of their disempowerment.)

Who cares what feminists and manginas think. They think husband and baby killers are cool so anything they have to say would note their hypocrisy.

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W.F. Price March 11, 2011 at 17:51

Bill, I just saw foreign news footage of the tsunami for the first time online-Japanese news broadcasts are still focusing only on here. I’m just getting a handle on the scale of this thing. Is everything OK out your way?

-Crella

Yeah, no problems. We got a two-foot wave at low tide, so nothing big. I guess some boats got smashed up in CA, though.

Glad to hear you’re alright — I thought you lived in the north for some reason and was a bit worried.

Red0660 March 11, 2011 at 18:00

Listen, there has got to be some excuse for her….post partum or maybe we can just chalk it up to an abortion. We have to figure out a way to excuse this behavior…..you know like all of women’s behavior is excused.

Women should have rights, status and be respected by default because they are women.

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Red0660 March 11, 2011 at 18:31

Unplanned pregnancy is not a man’s problem….Not anymore.

Men don’t “get women pregnant” It is a mutual act requiring mutual responsibility and thus (since abortion is legal) under Constitutional mandate along with the equal protection and rights under law that it affords the equal right of each party is afforded to absolve themselves of such responsibility.

If abortion is against a woman’s values who cares. Cut it’s head off latter or something. No one cares if it is against men’s values. No one cares about men’s “choices”. Men have the right to walk away. Men can abort responsibility. Her body, her choice, her baby, 100% her property, her problem.

Men don’t necessarily have anything to do with conception. Conception of life by law is something only women do. Men have the right to exclude ourselves from having any part of it. By law we are already excluded. Male genes are sold over the internet by what Hollywood celebrity the male specimine looks like:

http://rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com/2009/07/sperm-banks-men-for-sale.html

Men don’t necessarily have anything to do with conception now a days. Women and their children are their problem and their responsibility. Conception is something they do..it is their choice not ours. Men don’t have paternal rights to children anyway.

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Binxton March 12, 2011 at 03:51

Red0660 March 11, 2011 at 18:00

Women should have rights, status and be respected by default because they are women.

You are being sarcastic, I assume? If so, then your point is well taken.

The basis for current abortion law ultimately comes down to women’s rights. This is both wrong and stupid.

Women have no business charting the course of human societies. Just as we must strip women of their right to vote, we must also strip women of their right to have an abortion.

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Mickey T March 12, 2011 at 05:53

When I read the story of how a 3 year old was beaten by his mother and left to die,and as always when I hear such stories, there was an involuntary burst of sorrowful emotion. I had to leave the computer and walk around the house…………………
I suppose it is more sorrowful today because I am no longer surprised to hear such things anymore.

How long can a society survive that allows criminals to run free?

When this subject comes up, I draw a parallel to Rome. How it declined and fell causing basically a continent to go into a period of “The Dark Ages”. Back then, they all thought it couldn’t happen.

To me it seems Rome’s corruption and immorality is our feminism.

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Seamus the Classicist March 12, 2011 at 07:05

I think we are seeing more men wake up from the slumber of a couple centuries worth of female pedestalizing: no doubt that there have been epochs when women have proved more valuable than they normally are, but the rot of luxury and civilization has re-revealed their “insanity” and inability to act as moral beings (not that portion of men today are much better but our inate natures tend towards reality.)

The other day I just finished up reading Euripides’ Medea (Seneca also has a version of the same play) which shows the woman’s propensity to murder those closest to her and in a position of weakness, when she feels dishonored (there was no good reason for Medea to kill her children.) Another good play of Euripides’ is the Hippolytus, in which a son of the Amazon queen by the hero Theseus, is falsely accused of rape by Theseus’ wife, the outcome results in the young man’s death. Hippolytus was false accused because he wouldn’t give in to his step-mother’s lust.

I think the Ancient Greeks had a better handle on the nature and problems with women than most other societies, and their lessons are applicable to today’s world in the West. But good luck trying to find the study of the Classics being promoted in “higher” education today, it has been edged out for Womyn’s studies, ethnic studies, and more pragmatic “educational” focuses.

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Aharon March 12, 2011 at 07:10

Why don’t you women just confess that you are borderline insane 5 days of the month and ask for help rather than trying to deny it and torturing us all.

There is some wisdom among those cultures that have exclusive huts for women to go live in during those five days of the month alone or with women.

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Aharon March 12, 2011 at 07:38

Men have the right to exclude ourselves from having any part of it. By law we are already excluded. Male genes are sold over the internet by what Hollywood celebrity the male specimine looks like:

I feel slightly sorry for the men who gave or sold their sperm. The laws may change giving the ‘mothers’ and the offspring full contact information on the male donor along with the legal rights to sue him for child support or whatever. I also can’t help but feel slightly amused by the idea. My amusement probably has to do with my overall disgust with the values of modern society.

When I was a kid I watched the film ‘A boy and his dog’ starring a young Don Johnson. I thought it would be really cool to live in a post-apocalypse world surviving with my rifle (it was a Ruger 10/22) and a dog. Now, I’m not so sure.

Ironic how for so many decades, a mostly non-violent North America could look around the world and see political violence and wars in many places. America is becoming a political, economic, and social house of cards and Mexico might slip into deeper anarchy and civil war as might America someday. History marches on without mercy. I fault the masses of idiot people along with the morally corrupt leaders.

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Mickey T March 12, 2011 at 11:29

“Unplanned pregnancy is not a man’s problem…….Not anymore.”

Yes it is.
Because men are better than that. Women misuse and abuse most power that is given (by men) to them. Men will not let them kill, at will, the people they are partly responsible for creating, including the unborn (everybody should do some research on fetal development from unbiased and reliable sources).
Men will always take responsibility for women. That’s nature. Our only hope to reduce the havoc they wreak, and there are some realistic plans available to begin making that goal attainable.

In ways, they are like children who we let get out of control. Do we say to them, “go ahead and do what you want, see if I help?” They actually think that the way they are behaving will last indefinetly while gaining even more power. To me, that is childlike thinking.

In other words, again, we will always take responsibility for what women do, in one way or another. The question is, how much we let them do. It may take some time, but I believe when enough men realize that women have proven that they are too irresponsible to have certain powers, and these men are willing to SACRIFICE and ACT, there will then be change.

But, of course, you are right in saying that men should not take responsibility for the careless, selfish and even viciuos acts of women.

There are many men here who obviously have been deeply hurt by women, and they are letting off steam for which I’m always ready listen. But we will never make any meaningful progress if we don’t start working on realistic goals.

Sorry girls, but it is you who have proven that you are unworthy of the new powers you have gained.

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Aharon March 12, 2011 at 12:36

There are many men here who obviously have been deeply hurt by women, and they are letting off steam for which I’m always ready listen. But we will never make any meaningful progress if we don’t start working on realistic goals.

What are these realistic steps and goals?

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crella March 12, 2011 at 15:06

Why don’t you women just confess that you are borderline insane 5 days of the month and ask for help rather than trying to deny it and torturing us all.

Because any woman with a brain in her head isn’t. I’m frikkin’ tired of women making excuses for sh*tty behavior. If they want to act like bitches, they should at least own up to it and not blame their periods. Or they’d learn some self-control. Yes, you can feel awful, but how different is it from feeling lousy from allergies or the flu? At least you have a time limit with a period. PMS as an ‘illness’ is something recent too, so women are going to have to find something else to blame. Or is asking for self-control too much? I wonder what women did when talking about periods etc was a huge social taboo? I didn’t see women going batsh*t every month when I was a kid. Now that it’s a syndrome or some damned thing, all’s forgiven during those 5 days a month.

Any of you out there who ‘just can’t help’ tearing everyone a new one five days a month, you’re full of crap. Take some pain killers or go on the pill. I used to vomit and have other symptoms I wouldn’t write about on a forum, especially a men’s forum, but not once have I punished those around me.

Grow up.

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Mickey T March 12, 2011 at 17:54

Gimme a break!

Girls used to be a little bitchy about once a month. They never did or said anything worth remarking about.

We all just passed it off by saying “she got the rag on” (never to her, of course), it passed. Sometimes she would later apologize for something she felt that she did that was inappropriate, we would say “huh”? and all was ok. PERIOD!

The more discussion on this, the more opportunity for them to fabricate justification for more foul behavior.

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Theo P. March 12, 2011 at 21:06

A pastor once pointed out to me that this is the final sign of a society’s decay: that people slowly become more and more self-centered until finally they destroy the future itself. It happened to Assyria, to Rome–the bathhouses filled with babies’ bones–and to Judah, that we have record of.

“For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it. And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.” (Jeremiah 7:30-32 KJV)

That was written a scant few years before Babylon crushed them, and then a generation later, Babylon was crushed by Persia.

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scot March 13, 2011 at 07:49

This is a perfect example of her showing the world her great loving and benevolent “inner matriarch”.

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scot March 13, 2011 at 07:51

we are reaching the point of “societal matriarchal barbarity”; that it is very true; that a childs first battle for survival will be in getting past his mothers “Inner matriarch”.

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Mickey T March 13, 2011 at 12:48

“What are these realistic steps and goals”
Briefly;
Most of the damage done to our culture (men and children) is done by feminists through political power. Misandric laws, such as VAWA, have destroyed many a man and family since the early 90′s. There are countless anti male laws on the books and countless more coming down the pike. These laws are so pervasive throughout the culture, they have spawned an anti male/pro female culture of their own.

The political foundation (that which gives women special treatment in the eyes of the law and countless taxpayer dollars) of today’s feminist/women’s movement is the Democratic Party.

Women’s groups, feminists etc. support only the Dem party. They support dem candidates, and when the candidate becomes elected, the elected dem gives the girls what they want. The payback is usually in the form of pro female legislation or taxpayer dollars to fund feminist projects. And, with the help of men (even today) that’s been working quite well for the girls since the 1960′s.

Havn’t they “come a long way baby’?

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Mickey T March 13, 2011 at 14:25

Any person who does not vote against the Democratic Party, as it is today, and has been for at least the past 40 years, is supporting today’s feminism.

Any person, and/or their family, who has been, or is the victim of feminism, and does not vote against them, is foolish.

Any person who is in the victim situation above and votes for the them, is their own enemy. And quite possibly and ultimately the enemy of mankind.

I hope I at least began to answer your question, Aharon.

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Binxton March 14, 2011 at 07:12

Mickey T March 13, 2011 at 14:25

Any person who does not vote against the Democratic Party, as it is today, and has been for at least the past 40 years, is supporting today’s feminism.

While this is true, I doubt voting Republican will get you a very different result. You will not find allies in those “conservative” woman as they are just as much the beneficiaries of feminism as any woman in America. The average, mainstream Republican woman would just as likely support female entitlement laws as any liberal Democratic woman would.

Political positions are quite shallow and superficial when measuring the worth of a person. In a culture deeply imbued with feminist attitudes, a “conservative” woman will not differ significantly from a “liberal” woman in personality or attitude towards men. This is why it’s a waste of time talking about Sarah Palin like a lot of men did in a recent thread.

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Mickey T March 14, 2011 at 10:22

@Binxton

I’d like to explain how you couldn’t be more wrong . But I went through this with TWO “arrogant” foreigners at TWO different times who didn’t know shit, and if they did, it was irrelevent and a waste of time.

With respect, are you American?

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Scott March 15, 2011 at 08:11

You can call a spade a spade, but what she did was murder, pure and simple. She took a life, even if its a baby boy just a few minutes into life outside the womb, and that is tantamount to murder in my books.

But, as several comments above me have already surmised, she has every incentive to do so – the abortion rights gaggle and the cards stacked up on her side. In which case she would be spoilt for choice to play the Rape Card, the Victim Ace or her Pussy Pass – all of which are “Get Out Of Jail Free” equivalents.

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Binxton March 15, 2011 at 10:21

Mickey T March 14, 2011 at 10:22

I’d like to explain how you couldn’t be more wrong . But I went through this with TWO “arrogant” foreigners at TWO different times who didn’t know shit, and if they did, it was irrelevent and a waste of time.

With respect, are you American?

Please, I don’t want an explanation — I really have no interest in debate. If you want to believe Republicans are a real alternative for anti-feminist men, fine. I won’t try to dissuade you. We seem to be on totally different planes, so we’re not going to change each other’s minds.

To answer your question, yes I’m American, but I fail to see how my view is particularly foreign. Feminism isn’t a left-wing or liberal thing anymore, and if you think you can get conservative Republican women to sign on to a pro-male platform that effectively takes away the privileges, choices, and freedoms women have gained over the preceding 100 years, you’re in for a very rude awakening.

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Brandon March 16, 2011 at 18:11

Finally! Proof that women have the “choice” to exterminate their children, whether or not abortion is legal. The “reproductive rights” crowd is a total sham and want government funding and societal acceptance of infanticide, not “choice”.

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Mickey T March 17, 2011 at 12:54

“I have no interest in debate”

Then why are you here?
Didn’t you realize that when you make political statements you are open to different views?

“I fail to see how my view is particularly foreign”

Your interpretation of American politics.

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Mickey T March 17, 2011 at 13:04

@ binxton

You see, feminists understand American politics and men don’t. That’s why men are in a shithole and they are on top of the world.

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Kate April 8, 2011 at 04:44

I don’t know how I managed to stumble across this crazed “witch hunt” but unfortunately I did.

Yes what this woman did was wrong and she should be punished for the same.

This is not the same as abortion and should not be likened to it in anyway nor is it likely to be about her so called hatred of men, though if her experience of men is anything like some of the small minded people that have posted on here then noone could blame her if she does indeed hate men.

We live in 2011, where all people should be considered equal, whether they be men, women, black, white, gay or straught. At the end of the say we all look the same on the inside.

I am quite frankly disgusted that in this day and age there are people still out there who are as prejudiced as some of the pople on here.

This is not what my grandparents fought two world wars for!

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, you know who you are.

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mananon April 10, 2011 at 15:11

Sneaking in a bit of trolling where no-one’s looking eh Kate?

Too scared to engage the people here in an open debate no doubt.

So you think freedom of speech is something that shouldn’t be extended to people who don’t agree with you – how very feminist.

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Kate April 11, 2011 at 14:10

lol hardly I’m in a different country so when I posted my comment you guys were all asleep but we werent. (it’s currently 22:00 here)

I accept that eveyone has their own opinion and I am grateful for it because this is was creates diversity and makes the world great.

What I can’t stand is that some points are view degrade other members of society, to believe that one persons view or worth is less then theirs simply because they are “different” is wrong.

Some of the views of people on here are dangerous and have caused almighty atrocities in the past, we should learn by our mistakes and never make the same ones again if humanity is ever to exist.

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Kris June 3, 2011 at 12:00

I think we need to stop generalizing this experience to “all women”. I recently had a baby boy, healthy and happy thank god! And the hormones left after really do a number on you emotionally. And yes I am pro-choice. Having said that, there is no excuse on earth to justify what this girl did to the baby. She should be punished just as hard as if she were a man. I have been through some terrible ups and downs since my baby came into this world but I wouldn’t trade it for anything because my son is my reason for living now. Please stop stereo-typing all women because of the actions of this sick individual. There is no excuse for her.

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