Writing a piece for a series on MRAs at The Good Men Project, Amanda Marcotte argues that the solutions to many Men’s Rights Activists’ problems is more feminism. Of course, to prove her point she adopts a friendly view of feminism (i.e. not the one that claims all men are rapists or that men are disposable) and the most negative prototype of MRA she can come up with – the ones that are “embittered” by their lack of sex. Marcotte wants to compare notes from the most idealistic and objective feminists with those of the most reactionary and subjective MRA. False equivalency if ever there was one.
People like Marcotte remind us every day that feminists are not monolithic. According to them, one cannot characterize a feminist’s philosophy or values based only on her feminist label. Unfortunately, Marcotte doesn’t extend the same flexibility to MRAs, and she even forgets her leniency for certain feminists. She focuses on four issues and constructs the most extreme MRA argument to support her disdain for the group and posits a soft brand of feminism while pretending that feminism was created for everyone rather than just for women.
1. Ladies Night
Of all MRA “problems” to dissect, Marcotte says that MRAs are “stupid” for worrying about Ladies Night where bars extend drink specials to women and not to men. She cites “one MRA” who sued over this issue (probably Roy Dean Hollander), but she ignores (or was unaware of) the complaints of a young feminist, Jaime Keiles, who was recently profiled in the Feministing Five. I covered Keiles’ recent blog post in which she claims that Ladies Nights are misogynistic, sexist, and stupid and come away with the same conclusion as Marcotte: Ladies Night is a business plan implemented by a bar or a club to maximize profit.
But Marcotte can’t just leave it there. She ridicules this so-called MRA beef because “men tend to benefit more, because women still have to pay the price of fending off unwanted advances just to go out and have fun with friends.” Of course, Marcotte ignores those empowered women who welcome those Looky Lou’s advances and hope to land a suitor. After all, if the burden is so bad it is just as expensive to sit at home and watch TV or to go to Starbucks with a group of girlfriends. MRAs are pro-choice on this one.
Marcotte says “ban Ladies Night or don’t, because who honestly gives a crap?” The answer is that the level of “give a crap” on each side of the gender warfront offsets the other which makes me wonder why Marcotte is grasping at these particular straws.
2. Men as Primary Breadwinners
A passage from a report produced by President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers puts this issue in perspective:
An increasing number of women are breadwinners for their families. In almost two-thirds of families led by single mothers or two parents, women are either the primary or co-breadwinner. In two-parent families, with the wage gap and the loss of jobs traditionally held by men in this economy, reliance on a woman’s income in their family budget is even greater…Since women are nearly 50 percent of the workforce, the recession’s economic impacts on women are even more consequential for the economy than they would have been in past recessions.
While most MRAs may not be aware that President Obama values breadwinning females far above breadwinning males, gynocentric government reforms have long angered anti-statist MRAs who wonder where government support was when male-headed households were struggling or why nuclear families have never been worthy of investment.
The common view is that if fathers are breadwinners it is likely that they are stepping on someone’s throat to maintain their position; if mothers are breadwinners, it is despite being stepped on. Being a part of the hegemonic patriarchy, male breadwinners are viewed as evil authoritarians who only care about their jobs without much thought to the reasons that job is being undertaken. Feminists assume that male breadwinners just love working 60 hours a week without seeing their families.
MRAs are also angered by women who claim they don’t get enough love and support from their work-worn husbands who then whip their rationalization hamsters into full throttle to drum up reasons to leave his ass and turn the children against him for being an absentee father. If there is any resentment by MRAs, it is informed by the knowledge that a man providing for his family is either devalued or demonized by the government, the media, his wife, and his children.
Marcotte says:
Women still make less than men in the workplace, but still do more free labor at home, even when they do work full time. Plus, many men feel scaling back or quitting their jobs is emasculating.
Only women consider housework and non-labor force work to be free. I know of no man who scoffs at the work his wife or girlfriend does around the house or in raising children. And when men earn more than women outside the home, his paycheck usually goes straight into a household kitty that is controlled by the woman who makes 80% of purchasing decisions. Feminists and the rank-and-file consider the name written in the Payee portion of a paycheck, but they don’t consider who signs the checks flowing out of the family’s bank account.
The entire purpose of Marcotte’s piece was to show how feminism could be the solution to these MRA beefs. But she abrogates some of the power that women and feminists would have in assuaging any fears of emasculation that work-displaced men would feel. If anything, convincing men that they can maintain their masculinity while scaling back their jobs requires the prior acceptance of women. But women would have to check their natural desires at the door.
3. Men Have to Do Work to Ask Women Out
Marcotte argues that men often harass women when asking them out. She also says that approaching men gets a woman labeled slutty, bitchy, or desperate.
But she leaves out the fact that men who approach women are called losers if they are rejected. Trick is, it is mostly members of each person’s sex who provide these labels. On top of that, a “slut” label doesn’t necessarily diminish a woman’s chances of finding a man whereas the same man’s “loser” label is a death sentence.
Marcotte also constructs the most heinous image of a PUA to support her view that men who can’t get laid turn to skeezy methods to shore up their sexual insufficiencies. She accepts the the monolithic PUA who adopts a negative attitude toward women, but she leaves out the whole subset of Game-practitioners who develop their seduction skills in tandem with their inner self-respect. If anything, this minimizes sexism as it dismantles the pedestal on which women are placed. One would figure that feminists would be happy about mens’ termination of their inner Nice Guy.
4. Men Killed at Work
Marcotte essentially argues that MRAs hope to maintain the “occupational death gap” because it provides an excuse for the gender pay gap. She then suggests that to bring gendered occupational deaths up to parity, discrimination should be eradicated and various programs should be initiated to inform girls of their options for these types of jobs.
I say that this is all well and good. If such policies were implemented, the gender gaps – pay and death – would decrease. But would women actually move towards combat roles in the military, fire fighting, and coal mining if there were no social barriers to entry? Those occupations have systematically developed with the strongest and most able-bodied people in mind. Those people happen to be men. People started cutting down gigantic trees because a certain type of person mixed with a certain type of equipment could get the job done. It would seem that only a few women could meet the threshold required to participate in these jobs which begs the question, what job-killing changes would be implemented if women did flock to these occupations to create parity? To cut down X log you’d have to have A, B, and C measures in place which would make the whole endeavor unprofitable.
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Marcotte started her post by laying out an argument that MRAs haven’t quite made:
When you believe that we live in a female-dominated world where straight men are the most oppressed class, it tends to make you wrong about pretty much everything.
If anything, MRAs seem angry that women have a monopoly on every issue. Everything that is wrong with society can be laid at the feet of Men, and each human with a (natural) penis between his legs shares equally in that burden. MRA’s represent the Everyman, and he is angry that he is being forced to carry water for the rapists and violent offenders at the left end and the Patriarchs at the far right. The truth is that there is a large swath of men residing in the middle of this spectrum who have never affronted anyone and whose particular problems have gone unnoticed. The men who are now MRAs once dealt with the extreme elements, but feminists started bunching men all together. It seems, then, that MRAs said “screw it” and turned their focus towards feminists for self-defense purposes. To make matters worse, feminists don’t deal with rank-and-file womens’ complicity in this whole “hegemonic” system. Surely a great deal of women benefited from the previous set-up, and they helped perpetuate it. But revisionism has painted them all as victims.
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What you do for your family out of love, and a desire to have a nice home being classified as ‘free labor’ grates….everything being classified as ‘work’ and ‘labor’ just smacks of cold-heartedness. I hope she never has a family. Computing how many more seconds she worked daily as opposed to her mate would probably take up most of her time, and make her head explode.
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Create a straw man, then attack that straw man to show how right you are. Neo gender-Raunch type feminists like amanda marcotte are quite silly. They do to trap quite a bit of attention from their simpleton, eunuch type followers though. Or are the simpleton eunuch types actually the leaders???
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Someone should ask Amanda marcotte her opinions on the latest gender-raunch “saws-all with a dildo on it” stunt.
Equality feminism of 30 years ago would have been appalled at a college professor “taking a saws-all with a dildo attached to it” to a womens vagina as a class exercise; but new gender-Raunch feels the more adulterated in the lower appetites of the flesh; the more the perverted “American gender-raunch community” has power over them.
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“One would figure that feminists would be happy about mens’ termination of their inner Nice Guy.”
And give up the chance to have it both ways by screwing the Alphas and dumping the (financial and emotional) bill on lesser-status men?
I’m not holding my breath for that one anytime soon.
All hail Game.
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Folks don’t realise that feminism isn’t the same it was 25 years ago. Middle class white American women are some of the most “liberated” that the world has ever seen, so feminism has “Diversified” their cause. The new feminism called “gender-raunch feminism”; is all about sexual preferences, gender identities, Raunch culture indoctrination classes at universities; But are still using the same “help women type Empowerment rhetoric”.
Now folks, how is it that adulterating children into raunch culture, teaching children their sexual preferences classes as early as society will tolerate, using a saws-all with a dildo attached to it as a class exercise; What Does current “gender-raunch feminism” have to do with the women equality feminism of 25 years ago???
The average American still seeks to “Empower” feminism, but has no real idea of what a beast modern feminism has debauched into.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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It would seem as if Marcotte has a very strange view upon life. Arguing that only women are harassed by men who are interested in them is totally one-sided and wrong. Oh that’s right it’s because men are evil right? Harassment from women is a privilege! I’ve been stalked several times by women, and they have all become violent when I didn’t reciprocate their advances. One of them then made a false allegation to try to get back at me for it. I assert that Amanda Marcotte might even say that I was ‘lucky’ to have ‘so much interest’ from women.
Double standards? Feminism? No!
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Hmmm, I have quite mixed feelings about her claim the MRA.s need more feminism. Maybe not MRA’s but men in general and for completely different reasons ?
You see, the more successful feminism is the more men will become awakened to their true position in society as wage slaves cannon fodder sperm banks walking ATM’s.
I am grateful for feminism. It removed my blinders regarding womans true nature and killed any remaining chivalry.
It has taken many years for me to de-programme none of which would have been achieved without the effects of feminism. Mind you, I fought it all the way until I finally had to accept the painful truth. I had bought one huge feckin lemon everything I had learned about going to school getting a good education a good job a family a good wife etc was all a con, one big lie.
I was going to list the changes in me since I finally accepted the above painful truth, such as self interest minimum responsibility etc etc but I think I can best sum it all up by simply stating ” I now enjoy life like never before.
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“What you do for your family out of love, and a desire to have a nice home being classified as ‘free labor’ grates….everything being classified as ‘work’ and ‘labor’ just smacks of cold-heartedness. ”
Something about feminism just feels like a clinical inspection by doctors in a gulag , doesn’t it?
“Now, vee vill zee vat hahpenz ven we do ZIS!”
Hint to feminists, if you’re gonna play god with people’s lives, make sure you’re not retarded first.
By 2050, out of wedlock births by single mothers will probably comprise 80% of american families, and you’ll have packs of feral children living like animals in the streets,preying on women, children,and the elderly.
You’ve come a long way,baby! Now there’s nowhere else to go but down. See you in hell,bitches.
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Well-put and all too true!
Feminists and other dense denizens of the West EPIC-FAIL to even try to envision what the future holds for the next 50-100 years.
Ask Brazil about their legions of feral teens who their police are waging war against in the streets nowadays….yeah, the crystal ball isn’t so fictional!
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What a tool she is, and why any organization called the “Good Men Project” would print such trash is beyond me. I’ll skip the point-by-point refutation since Chuck Ross already smacked her little tantrum out of the park in his piece. Let’s just say there were more straw-men in Amanda Marcotte’s article than a “Wizard of Oz” casting call.
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Feminism today is still the same piece of unimpressive turd it was since its inception.
Feminism is based on the same grand old lie: women can be equal to men.
Feminism has never been ‘corrupted’ or hijacked, nor were its founders altruistic.
There must be no association with feminism in any form, or with its adherents and sympathizers. No such thing as ‘moderate feminism’ or ‘reformed feminism’.
It is a black and white issue. The line must be drawn clearly.
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Good article that, as many such articles, patiently shoots down one-by-one the obnoxious, man-hating points made by feminists. Problem is, you can’t talk reason to Resentment and Entitlement.
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Jamie Keiles is ugly… that’s why she is such a staunch feminist. Actually, I’ve never met one pretty woman that is actually a feminist. Probably because they get the attention from men that all women crave, whether they openly embrace that fact or they are in vehement denial.
It’s the truth. Anyone whom doesn’t like this fact is lying to themselves and Ms. Keiles. Sorry Ms. Keiles. Not all females are blessed with the gift of outward beauty. This applies to men as well. When such is the case, you can easily compensate with inward beauty instead of being an angry, bitter, loud, horn-nosed redhead.
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Sorry can’t contribute today. Company I was consulting to went belly-up and I am scratching for new work. Found a local corp doing the exact same technology and they even had some “career opportunities”. Dug a little deeper and found some actual staff info. All female, all corporate. Crap. May have to eat some of my recent words here and talk with them. Based on similar experiences in the last 5 years not sure if I can keep a straight face during discussions.
Also, based on Welmer’s suggestion, am putting together my own blog at WordPress : Uncle Elmer’s Tool Shed
There will be some crusty porn mags underneath the machinist’s bench.
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You should start a business organizing men’s tours to SE Asia. They’ve already got women’s tour companies. Promote it on your blog and I’ll do so here as well. That would be fun, wouldn’t it?
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You should start a business organizing men’s tours to SE Asia. They’ve already got women’s tour companies.
Haha. I nearly got frog-marched out of one corporation for jokingly suggesting that we organize a company sex tour like those Japanese fellows like to do.
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PS guys : Keep writing. We’re moving through ridicule and condemnation to mainstream acceptance.
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Sort of off topic I just thought I would add this little gem, especially for the younger guys that still think NAWALT.
Mind you, not all hand grenades or land mines detonate. You just have to decide. Do you feel lucky ?
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/943902–love-affair-spawned-at-car-plant-crashes-and-burns
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Exactly. And the above is the cure to the Big Lie that feminism was good in the past but has been corrupted by current practicioners.
This Big Lie, I’ve found, is very popular among younger women, who like their educations and their jobs and their choices, attribute all the above to feminism, but dislike the hairy armpit harridans.
In a masterstroke employment of the Hegelian dialectic, such mental maneuvering permits them to be feminists while enabling them to cognitively separate themselves from themselves from the worst actors.
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This a very high quality of response.
An example of this is when I worked at a university, an elderly, foreign research scientist inappropriately touched a female professor. He was kept on salary basically because his country didn’t provide an equivalent of social security and I guess the professor who paid him thought he was useful and didn’t want him to go without medical care, etc.
Some of the faculty excused his behavior due to the combination of being old and growing up in an entirely different environment. They thought moving him to another building and general “talking to” might work. This was naturally perceived by the university administrators as an act of patriarchal enforcement and the whole department came under review. Everyone was interviewed, especially the female grad students whose every complaint on every subject was recorded and distributed with the intent that it needed to be taken seriously. The elderly professor was cut off the grant, sensitivity training was mandated and the university spent A LOT of money to lure two female professors (its a male dominated field), even though the field is crowded with more qualified men who couldn’t even get interviews for faculty positions. Even though this takes place in the microcosm of academia, this is the sort of overreaction that leads many to believe there needs to be some sort of check on feminist ideology somewhere.
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The way I see it. The Govt cannot achieve Equality of Wealth, (that would be socialist) so they go for Equality of Opportunity i.e. inclusion. The absurdities are there for all to see, because they would never dare tell off the females for their behaviour. Yet (even today) you cannot keep reality down, Emperor’s New-Clothes style, I read that a few thirteen year old boys have spent a couple of hours at the police station for (and this was out of earshot) referring to a Female Police Constable as P.C. Nipples. They are of course quite right to recognise the disjunct between woman and law-enforcer, but the adults like the Emporers sycophants refuse to see what they really do see as we can tell from their over-reaction. Funny absurd!
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…. the FUCK?
Has Amanda Marcotte ever read anything ever written by an MRA?
Yes that’s right Amanda. We want to die more so we can keep getting paid more while still alive. What the FUCK are you smoking?
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I wish a chick would complain to me about “Free Household Labor”
I’d tell her that she should move out of my house
give me back the clothes/shoes that I provided her with
Don’t eat my food
Don’t drive my car
No Sex
and then I’d pay her $7/hour to do housework
$8/hr after 6 months
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She has probably seen a hyperbolic comment from one of us – along the lines of “I’ll start caring about the gender pay gap when men don’t make up 98% of workplace deaths” – and taken this for the argument that we SUPPORT the death gap in order to defend the pay gap.
This is nothing but strawman. She has not addressed a single MRA issue.
If you listened to Paul Elam’s last radio show, it was replete with callers recounting their personal horror stories of abuse at the hands of vindictive women who use VAWA, primary aggressor laws, etc., to attack men violently ‘by proxy’.
Who gave us VAWA and primary aggressor laws? Right … feminism.
And since VAWA and primary aggressor laws are pretty big MRA gripes, what sense does it make to say that ‘more feminism’ could solve these problems? Feminism IS the problem!
Feminists want to EXTEND VAWA!
‘More feminism’ will ERODE men’s rights even further; how could ‘more feminism’ SOLVE the problems of men’s rights activists?
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(sigh) This is one of the most pernicious canards that we have to find a way to squash once and for all. What we see of feminism today is exactly what feminism has always been – we are just now seeing it reach the point where it was headed all along.
I have a copy of the first paperback edition of “The Feminine Mystique” from about 1964. On the cover is the statement –
Feminism has always been about nothing other than convincing women that they are the victims of men, and trying to get women to hate men as a class for that. An excerpt from “Sexual Politics” by Kate Millet (1969) gives us this gem –
Every building block of contemporary feminism was laid down and in place more than 40 years ago. Just like an orchard of fruit trees – it has taken years for these ideas to develop deep root systems and bear abundant fruit.
This idiotic idea that feminism is just a good-hearted movement which has been hijacked from its original intent by a bunch of radicals needs to be stomped into the ground every time it rears its ugly head.
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Is Amanda Marcotte the one that looks like Tin-Tin, or is that a different Amanda?
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The organization called SAVE is being promoted by some MRAs. There is banner for it here on the Spearhead, and Paul Elam has featured a couple of callers from SAVE on AVfM radio.
Yet, the first thing one sees when going to their website is –
“Strengthening VAWA.” While abused men might need resources, I don’t think I’m going to be giving any money to an organization which wants to strengthen this government funded boondoggle which subsidizes the breakup of families.
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oddsock,
Well-said. Your statement summarizes my own growing take on feminism. Actually, I like it that if I am now confronted about feminism in the corporate world I can tell people that I’m grateful for it with a straight face since it has helped me to question so many values…(little do will they know)…
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Unfortunately, she will still probably find some sick fool who will marry her.
The concept of “free labor at home” has tons of disturbing undertones to it. First, it is trying to blame men for everything that women do even for themselves. I wonder if she considers wiping her own butt to be “free labor” and think that some man should pay her to do it. Even without a man in her life, most women will expend some effort to make where they live habitable.
It is this monetizing of ordinary life activities which really does create the picture of wives as prostitutes and housekeepers who exchange their services for room and board.
This, more than anything else, is what has gutted the entire idea of marriage and turned it into nothing but a hollow shell.
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E-gads! The more I read from Jamie Keiles, the more I roll my eyes with disgust. Look everyone, you can check out this 19 year-old, little miss know-it-all’s writing right here on her website: http://www.jamiekeiles.com/press.html.
It’s fairly typical bullshit — you know, the usual feminist propaganda — ranting and raving coupled with her teenaged arrogance (to be expected of someone with a minimum of qualifiable real life experience outside of the bubble that was her parents house). So of course, to anyone who’s had to live in the real world (read not college, or living with one’s parents, but out on your own, working a job that you despise but need to do it to pay your utility bills, supporting your spouse and kid(s), possibly battling an addiction of some sort and/or taking care of a sick parent or grandparent on top of it all) , her bullshit-filled schpeel filled with her feminist ideology (or UNideology) and overall lack of experience to provide her with anyrelevant perception on anything at all MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Of course, you can see clearly by her website/CV that she aspires to be a professional columnist. God help the women she deceives with her drivel.
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Oddsock,
You’re onto something here. I spend the last few days working on an article about this very subject to submit to the Spearhead, and I’m just about done with the final edits. The starting point is that absolute statements about large groups are almost never correct, including ones like, Any woman who knows more than five words of English is a skanktastic bitch with Ebola who has poison punji sticks in her nether regions. Hyperbole certainly, but not by much different from what I’ve seen a few guys write. Such statements simply cannot be true of every Western woman.
But it’s based on the fact that most Western women are bad marriage risks and the result of a bad outcome is often catastrophic for men and children.
Without giving too much away, I look at relationships in light of their similarity to other types of transactions. I coined the phrase “Transactional Relationship Value” to roughly quantify what people bring to relationships and look at how feminism has drastically reduced the value that people in general (and women in particular) bring to the table. I also discuss risk assessment as it pertains to relationship decisions in order to find the increasingly-rare women who really are “not like that” or, as you put it, the hand grenades and land mines that won’t detonate on you.
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What feminist/leftist/Marxist don’t comprehend is that as more and more males wake up, and let’s be real here because their agenda is mainly aimed and white males, the more likely society will face a rocky future. Those that don’t tune out will turn their anger towards those people that espoused and promoted equality while as the same time taking their money and their opportunities and then vilifying them through the so called patriarchy. And most of those males that paid for it is you know who, the betas that are reamed in their asses and haven’t even gotten the courtesy of a reach around YET. It doesn’t look good for the leftist is all I know.
Right now it’s government unions that are being targeted and once enough of that ponzi scheme is eradicated, look for the next chapter to focus on welfare and after that, women in general. They’re coming and boy is it going to hurt.
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Amanda Marcotte said something?
…and I am supposed to care?
seriously?
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The Good Men Project is a feminist mens site. Now that mens rights are starting to become an issue, this type of site is trying to frame the issues in pro-marixist feminist terms. The GMP site is trying to control how men see the influence of marxist feminism in their lives. Also, the GMP site will be used by the large media companies to represent a pro-feminist mens rights site, using the quotes from TGMP in articles to attack the real mens rights groups. Whenever real mens rights activists promote men-friendly laws or men-friendly policies, the media will present quotes from so-called “mens groups” like The Good Men Project to oppose them.
It would be interesting to see who is really behind this Good Men Project website. And I don’t mean just the front men.
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zed March 10, 2011 at 08:49
Feminists want to EXTEND VAWA!
The organization called SAVE is being promoted by some MRAs. There is banner for it here on the Spearhead, and Paul Elam has featured a couple of callers from SAVE on AVfM radio.
Yet, the first thing one sees when going to their website is –
“Strengthening VAWA.” While abused men might need resources, I don’t think I’m going to be giving any money to an organization which wants to strengthen this government funded boondoggle which subsidizes the breakup of families.
It also provides license for false accusations made by women/womyn to be taken seriously and as absolute truth.
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Gentlemen,
All this is good.
In the last few days, people like Amanda Marcotte (a feminOrc), and Scott Adams (a pussywhipped mangina) have been forced to comment on the anti-misandry community.
Before, they may not have even bothered.
Hence, our visibility has risen. They have made it rise further (whether they wanted to or not), creating a virtuous cycle.
I dare say the flyer campaign has had a small part in increasing visibility. Even two months ago, we didn’t have these people talking about male rights.
Post flyers! It is working, so go out and do more of it!
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But if we do all the work for you, what will you have to bitch about?
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I was having those very same thoughts yesterday. BTW, good post. Your observations and insights make sense with how the media will use a site such as the GMP to propagate Ms.-Information anti-real-MM stories.
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and another thing. Most housework these days is pressing a few buttons on a machine and then getting back to watching the oprah marathon. Its neither remotely dangerous nor mind-numbingly, soul-crushingly boring. It doesnt require you to be smart, or have an ability to pay attention to detail, and any mistakes you make are correspondingly as easy to fix as the job was to do.
Now add to that that your average american womans dearest ambition is to spend as much money as possible, primarily on the most useless things they can find, and it adds up that not only will they spend the money they would have earned for doing this “free labor”, but most of the mans paycheck as well(or at least whats left of it after the government takes a third of it to pay for other women).
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Elmer, why don’t you put that Vietnamese boy you imported to work?
Why don’t you suck out my ass, Bitch?
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“Women still make less than men in the workplace, but still do more free labor at home, even when they do work full time.”
I think the best solution for men who care about women is to free women from this burden by not living with one.
“Plus, many men feel scaling back or quitting their jobs is emasculating.”
And how would she know? I’ve been scaling back for the last three years or so and it feels GREAT. More time for working out, fishing, and riding. A nice side benefit is that it denies The P. R. of Kalifornia all kinds of tax revenue, which will hopefully help send the flaming wreckage this state has become over the cliff, to be reborn with a new-found sanity. Or maybe it will just start eating itself. I’m also proud to be doing my part to close the raw gender wage gap, except the gap will probably widen again when the state starts laying off kajillions of female public employees, sending their wages to naught.
I think what she meant to say was ~”I will try to shame in an emasculating fashion any man who presumes to scale back or quit his job.” But then, who cares? EVERY man I speak to about my self-selected early partial retirement looks at me with envy, and about 2/3 of the women I mention it to go apoplectic- shrieking on and on about my duty and responsibilities and such. Truly hilarious.
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OT…for those who would like more news of Roger and BCG.
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/8894423.UPDATED__Protestors_storm_court_and__arrest__judge_in_chaotic_scenes/?ref=mr
Now. If FreeMen can get this done over a few hundred pounds of council taxes? Why can’t MRAS do the some over their children, their houses, the assets and their future incomes? Spineless?
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Kathy,
It’s been a few days since your last immature post. You must be one ugly, far, and miserable wench.
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For the love of Pete when will the gender pay gap myth ever be laid to rest?
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Lyn. The ‘Good Men Project’ is full of women and manginas telling men who they ‘should be’. The beta loser Thomas Matlack is at the head of THAT Q. He just released another article about his son. You can go read my comments on it if you like. But he’s a self flagalating beta-loser no matter how much money he has. And I have told him do in my own name.
I’ve also offered him some tips on how to ‘wake the f*** up’ to the damage he is doing by being a self flagalating beta-loser. I suggested to Thomas he might write about the 4,000 men a year estimated to kill themselves from the criminal abuses of the FC/CSA in Australia. I even provided the reference and he even indicated that he would include such comment.
Nope. Not there as far as I can see. Instead he writes a whole story about what a lousy father he is and how he has no confidence in his 14 year old son and that lack of confidence surely undermines the kid.
The whole thing is a piece of shit if you want my opinion. And if those people over there have a problem with me calling the whole ‘good man project’ a total, utter and complete piece of shit? They know how to reach me and ask for advice on how to improve it.
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“Writing a piece for a series on MRAs at The Good Men Project, Amanda Marcotte argues that the solutions to many Men’s Rights Activists’ problems is more feminism. ”
At first, I thought she was out of her mind, just like any feminist.
But on second thought, it dawned on me that she… might be right!
Let’s see: feminism has freed men more than it freed women. To me, that’s a taken. Fewer and fewer men see themselves or want to be breadwinners, since the job is so ungratifying, as women are finding out more and more..
More feminism will, therefore, free men even more.
When an option becomes so expensive and painful that it can no longer be seen as an option, people out out.
(When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it: famous words apply here also)
Marcotte should be careful about what she wishes… she might get it..
Now, you can see the “ladies” complaining more and more about their escalating workload.. are you sure you want more of this, Mzz Marcotte?
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I think that is just propaganda. LOL!
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Paradoxotaur March 10, 2011 at 09:58
When I tell men I only NEED to work 300 hours a year now and that is only if I do NOT sell any software they are real jealous. It’s usually “Damn, I wish I could do that!” I used to work 13 days a fortnight usually 12-14 hours a day, and give myself evey second sunday off when I was away from home. I’d work at the client 9 hours a day and on my software in the evenings. When I was off work and home I’d try spending more time with the kids.
Now? I can eat good. Drink Good. Sleep good. Play hard and be having fun. And do a bit of work to make money. Women HATE on me for saying “I will never have a nother woman living in my home. I will never ‘oppress’ another woman by makign her feel less than me by paying for her.”
I am a ‘pre-adult’ according to kay horrorhead. I am a ‘peter-pan’ having raised 4 children, worked in 200+ companies in 20+ countries and risen to the top of my prefession in the world. Yup. Being an ‘stupid-smuck-beta-loser’ paying for the ‘wife-and-kids’ is for idiots in my book now. Where does that get you as a man? Nowhere good. That’s where.
I have challenged women to step up to being ‘equal before the law’ for three years now. Their silence condemns them as the liars and hypocrites they are. Western women disgust me in their silence on the issue of dead fathers. And I get more disgusted with them every day that goes past and they remain silent. Every OTHER man is well advised to be just as disgusted as me. And to tell the women so.
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Hey Elmer- your suggestion to Kathy created a very disturbing image. Ugh. Hopefully, the visually delightful hostess at the Vietnamese restaurant I’m planning to have lunch at will clear some of that from my mind.*
@F.M.R.: “But if we do all the work for you, what will you have to bitch about?”
That’s easy. That you’re doing it WRONG. And if women earned more than men, they’d bitch about women paying more taxes than men, as Angry Harry predicts. I’m thankful I’ve developed fairly selective hearing when it comes to women’s bitching. It rarely registers any more.
*A bit OT: I was thinking about how many women from Southeast Asia (SEA) I’ve met that I really like and that there may be men on this site that haven’t met any (I’m well aware that SEA women are not every man’s cup of tea). Where I used to work, a group of guys would go out for Thai or Viet food every Wednesday. It was a nice tradition. One of the Thai restaurants we went to had a Laotian waitress that was beautiful, elegant, and charming. Basically, the antithesis of most WAMs. If any guys out there are wondering what some of us are talking about re: SEA women, a simple lunch might be a reasonable place to start. If there is a Viet coffee house in your area, it might be worth a visit, too. Fred Reed’s essay “The View From A Sushi Bar”, now several years old, covers the topic vis-a-vis WAMs.
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No need to sell the sex — what the guys do with their own time is none of our business anyway. Just organize the lodging, travel, etc. I think it would be fun. It really is nice to get out of the weird, overly-controlled culture we live in every now and then.
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Hey, great news
Krazy Kat ‘Lady’ Kathy is back!
I would suggest that it’s rag-week for the ugly bitch, but that would mean that every week is rag week for Kathy.
Clearly no man is going to go near you kathy-babes – try leaning up against the washing machine when it hits spin (like normal)
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True that Zed. Feminism as we know it today was defined in the communist manifesto. Marx wrote that the nuclear family was a creation of the bougioursie to oppress BOTH men and women and that for utopia to be reached the nuclear family had to go, women had to be employed in the public workplace, and the state raise the children to ensure ‘equality’. Anyone who has read the communist manifesto can recognise that feminism is nothing more or less than communism in drag.
The purpose of feminism, as I have stated many times, is to drive a wedge between men and women so that when the cull steps up to a point where it becomes obvious EVEN TO WOMEN and they ask the men to defend them a large percentage of men will not.
After all? I wonder how many men in Haiti will fight to the death to defend the women who danced in the street, sang and laughed, and taunted the men as they were starving and held back from food at the point of a gun? Hhhmmmm…..
I wonder how many men, like me, will tell a woman who is threatened “you chose not to help me when I asked, I choose not to help you when you ask. We are equal now. Good luck.”
THIS has been the purpose of feminism all along. The depopulation program. And it’s doing a right fine job with 2 BILLION abortions in the last 40 years. The day I realised feminism was about KILLING LOTS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN I actually laughed my arse off. Since then I’ve tried altering women to the fact feminism is about KILLING LOTS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN….but they seem not to take me seriously. Oh well. Not my problem. The PTB won’t be so active in killing off the men. There’s no need to.
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@Stoltz: “For the love of Pete when will the gender pay gap myth ever be laid to rest?”
Nope. Never. That’ why I change frame with a response along the lines of “What kind of immature, self-absorbed jenny-ass does a woman have to be for her to bitch about the fact that men work hard to earn the money she spends?” Shift to the spending gap. Point out all the stores and shops for women, and near-complete lack of retail directed at men. If she has any credentials (e.g., Univ. degree), I usually follow up by saying that any woman who repeats the tedious lies about the wage gap just loses credibility, and then ignore her.
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IMO, until the moral legislation of the last century is undone, we will won’t get anywhere. We must break the feminist monopoly on sex. More men would be MGTOW and women know it.
Marcotte knows this and that’s why she makes it one of her four greatest fears about our movement.
We must create a society free of female tyranny.
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Arguing with feminists is a waste of time. They are, as a class, delusional, liars, or both. I’ve never stopped by the “Good Men Project” (out of raging disinterest) and will make it a point to avoid it in the future. Any outlet that publishes these nitwits is presumptively anti-male.
That said, WTF is up with that gov’t report?
So, to come up with this stat, the gov’t includes single-mother “families”, but excludes single-father households? Then it includes women who are not only the “primary” but “co-” breadwinner? HTF is “co-” defined here?
What pisses me off here is not just the mindless yay-women cheerleading, but the fact that our tax dollars paid for some moron to crank out this gibberish. It’s not even a good lie.
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This Amanda should consider a job as a commedian.
Seriously folks! I laughed at this for a full 5 minutes!
I went to the good mangina site to confirm this and yes this IS basically what she said!
Men want to risk their lives doing dangerous work just to oppress women?
That much is worth a post in and of itself.
Fucking unreal!
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Hey Elmer- your suggestion to Kathy created a very disturbing image.
I apologize, really. It is unmanly to lose one’s cool.
If there is a Viet coffee house in your area, it might be worth a visit, too.
My wife saw this on viet TV, said she would drop me off there when we were in the area:
http://www.landlubber.com/vbcb/
Aside from our group, which was mixed, the entire clientèle was Vietnamese men, presumably killing time while their wives cooked dinner.
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Arguing with feminists is a waste of time.
Looked at the GoodMen website. Reminded me of a Seinfeld episode : “We’ve been breaking up for 12 hours!”
Hot debate. What do you think?
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WRONG.
We live in a female-dominated world where straight men ARE the most oppressed class and that tends to make straight men wrong about pretty much everything.
Get it?
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“but still do more free labor at home”
This is a pet peeve of mine with regards to women. Every woman I have lived with, married or not, has made it clear that any cleaning, cooking, pet care or even child care that she did was a favor and bonus to me and others in the home.
For me, cleaning the cat litter, moving the lawn, washing the car, making dinner, washing the dishes and doing laundry were just things that had to get done, much like using the bathroom regularly and breathing every minute or so. The person doing those tasks ALSO benefits directly from them, so why is it a favor to anyone else?
The other thing that is quite common is the length of time and complexity that it takes women to do these tasks. I often go through my domestic chores like it is work, quickly and with just enough effort to ensure it is done well enough. While the women have also drawn it out by having many tasks and activities in play at the same time using up most of the day with nothing really getting completely done as a result.
As a result, I’ve given up on splitting chores or attempting to manage the woman’s efforts in some way as to be completed on time and just bang it out on my own before anyone notices it needs doing. I suspect that most men do this as well as the path of less resistance to domestic harmony.
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The Good Men Project (White Knights in sheeps clothing), are ironically trying to infer that MRA’s are nothing more than the flipside of radical/militant feminism. That we’re hell bent of positioning ourselves as the NEW oppressed class or group of people vis a vis “women’s equality”.
Nothing could be further from the truth!
On the contrary we want women, as a protected class or “special” identifiable group of people, eradicated from the laws of the land and the collective conscience of society. We want men and women to be one group of people called ” individual citizens” of the country in which they reside, with no special dispensations made or “gender normalizing” whatsoever.
We want men and women to actually start liking each other again.
Imagine what a radical goal that is!
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Zed wrote:
Absolutely right Zed. It’s always been about more stuff for a priviledged class.
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Divorcee Goes From Billionaire to Broke in 7 Easy Steps:
http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/A-cautionary-tale-How-go-goldengirlwp-2728667591.html?&mod=pf-sp14d
A tale of you go grrrl cuntitude
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When politicians and the mass media have the guts to say it.
In other words, probably never.
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It must be the new math. Our schools are sliding into Hell.
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When it ceases to be a useful club to beat men over the head with. I tend to disagree with you, Keyster, and think we are most 20-30 years from the pay gap actually reversing and men in the aggregate earning less than women do. All this drivel about “manning up” that we are hearing recently indicates to me that the wimminz have finally gotten out their pencils and figured out that the bill for 50 years of feminism is getting ready to come due, and that it is going to land directly in the laps of women born since the mid-1980s.
Personally, I started doing my part in bringing about “wage parity” back in the mid-1990s when I left my corporate job that required working 70-80, sometimes 90, hour weeks, and now make less than 60 cents for every $1 used to make. I’m still better off than a guy making my old salary because every penny I make now, after all the taxes are taken out, is mine to spend as I choose.
As women make more and more, the tax burden will shift progressively to women. Get ready for the bitch storm which is going to happen when women start making most of the money and start paying most of the taxes for the “choices” of other women. You think the mommy/career-grrl wars are bad now, just wait until women figure out that governments are confiscating 40%+ of everything they earn to pay other women to be baby mamas.
Guys have been diving for the glass cellar for years. I don’t think it is going to be all that long before women realize that they have gotten stuck holding the bag and paying all their own bills.
“There you go, grrls. Man, out!”
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Wow, talk about totally missing the point. I’ll stick with the first example – the Girl’s Night.
Marcotte does nothing to address the fact that it is, pure and simple, sexist. It gives women a pussy-pass to cheap drinks, no cover charges and whatever else the clubs want to throw at them.
It is in violation of the Anti-Discrimination laws, which, if I’m not mistaken, earlier feminists would have fought to attain.
Is it any wonder that I utterly, whole-heartedly and vehemently reject feminism?
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@ Zed
As I have said before. My advise to American women is: make sure your daughters get a good education. My retirement is very large and I intend to live a long time so your daughters better to to grad school to pay it, who cares if they have to take student loans, I need the money for traveling.
It’s funny how feminists from my day were so concerned with guys like me, professionals dumping them for a younger model.
I don’t want a younger model, they’re a liability.
I need young women who work and work hard to pay for my retirement.
Thanks US educational system.
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I have lived with two women (but not at the same time) and on each occasion the woman earned approximately 50% more than I did. How will the feminists spin that? Will they blame me for being useless?
I have never seen where this wage gap is. Most of the unemployed are men because employers prefer to employ females (who wouldn’t want pussy around?). If men have more high-powered jobs there are good biological and sociological reasons for that, and best of all no woman wants men who are less well off than they are (which is I suppose why I no longer live with the two women I refered to).
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Yeah Zed, I stepped down into the glass cellar about 8 years ago. Now making about 30 cents on the dollar I once made, and working maybe 20 hours a week, while paying 15% income tax, instead of about 45% (including Calif income tax rate) before.
Things are a little tight, I’m a bit cash poor, less to spend on useless junk…
…and I’ve never been more happy and content.
Who has my job now?
I’m told a woman.
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Amanda Marcotte is a complete moron.She still believes that drunk prostitiute Crystal Mangum was gang raped by the lacrosse players in a bathroom that was too small for four people.Shows what the average IQ of a typical feminist is.
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Frank wrote:
Oh, women are masters of efficiency!
Working in factories I have witnessed, firsthand, their ‘superior’ manual dexterity. (eye roll)
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“oppressed class”–
With words like that, the marxist influence is obvious. Feminism is marxism applied to the sexes – Men and the traditional family are the “oppressors” and women/housewives are the “oppressed”.
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Schopenbecq and Snark have engaged Hank Pellisier.
You know, the Hank Pellisier who wants all world governments to be run by women only, is quite friendly with people who advocate male gendercide, and who also happens to write for the New York Times, and sit on the boards of legislative bodies and think tanks?
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Welmer : No need to sell the sex — what the guys do with their own time is none of our business anyway. Just organize the lodging, travel, etc.
Like google : (eat pray love tour), but designed for a man?
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@Zed
When the pay gap does reverse feminists will have another excuse to promote women’s rights at the expense of men: since women are paying more taxes women should get better services.
At the moment government takes money from men (taxation) and spends it on women (public services, social programs etc), but in the future government will tax women more (because they’ll be earning more) but will continue to spend more on women.
Either way men lose out. While women constitute the majority of the electorate both in Britain and the US they will be the main beneficiaries of government spending no matter who earns more.
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Guys. With the greatest respect to everyone. I really do not mean to offend.
Yes our anger is justified. However, at least consider the post I recently made on another thread as I think it also applies to this article and most other non sensical feminist drivel…..Shown Below
I have no doubt most men divorced or otherwise can identify with your experience. I certainly can. It is plain and simple psychological torture. This is why I often post about Erin Pizzey and her book the Emotional Terrorist. As she states. The emotional terrorist is the most diffcult to detect and by far the most destructive.
This is why so many men go off the rails. They have no idea they have been subjected to years of psychological abuse. Then throw in the power of the nanny state along with being stripped of wealth house and children. I am still shocked at how few guys have not/did not go postal.
The really sad part is that the woman knows exactly what she is doing and when the guy eventually figures this out!!! Well. Things can go pear shaped PDQ.
A book that explain it much better than I can is shown below. It goes to some length in detailing how we (A) Train our emotional blackmailers ,we show them our hot buttons (B) Why we are an easy target for that type of person.
A term she uses quite a lot in the book is FOG. Fear Obligation & Guilt. Its what Emotional Blackmailers ( women) depend on the victim ( Men) having.
Anyway, I highly recommend it as it also applies to any type of relationship.
Emotional Blackmail
Susan Forward
ISBN-10: 0593042395
ISBN-13: 978-0593042397
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Well, I think you are mistaken – feminism has always been about nothing other than securing more privileges for women. That is why it is called FEMININE-ism. Anything which gets women goodies that men have to pay for is just fine by feminists.
I never quite understood the whole idea behind the lawsuit against Ladies’ Nights. It’s a pretty straightforward business model – sucker attractive young women in playing bait to draw in lots of young men with money, then gouge the guys on the price of the drinks. I think that it really is the case that both sexes are being exploited in this scenario.
If men simply go to places where everyone has to pay for their own drinks, the drinks are cheaper and there are fewer gold-diggers looking for something for nothing.
I read an account several years ago of one of those speed-dating events where 30 women showed up, but only 3 men. If Ladies’ Nights really offend men, I think the best way to deal with that is to let the bars lose money on giving free drinks to women, and take their money somewhere else so the bars don’t get to make up the difference by gouging men. When places start to lose money on gimmicks like this, they will quit without anyone having to sue them.
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In case you hadn’t noticed.
It is pointless arguing with Liberals – and with all their various wings of race quota-ists, pro-immigrationists and feminists etc.
You’ll SOONER change Nancy Pelosi’s or Jesse Jackson’s mind.
Wise up.
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How could Marcotte possibly know anything about “good men”?
You can’t argue rationally with an irrational person.
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Different one. That’s Amanda Hesse. But good call. She does look like Tin-Tin.
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@Paradoxotaur
I think the best solution for men who care about women is to free women from this burden by not living with one.
Thank you for voicing my beliefs, feelings, and intentions – go my own way and let these “strong, capable, empowered women” marinate in their own menses.
Decades ago I made this choice – the “woman of the Seventies/Eighties” can get along on her own, but my elderly mother cannot. So I stayed with Mom, by then paying the rent and then the mortgage on our house, and supported her until she “went West”. By that time I was too old for the age and shape of women who looked good to me, and I had learned that I didn’t need “romantic love” to live my life.
Now, I’m getting ready to move offshore, very literally offshore. I’m building the skills and competence I’ll need for offshore passages and cruising single-handed around the world. I have a good pension coming in, after 36 years with DoD, and my time and my belongings are all my own.
Ladies, would you like a share of this? You can have it – the same way I got it: by working for it, earning it, saving it up, then doing it for yourself. Buy your own boat. Spend your own money. Develop the skills for yourself, then go do what you want with them.
Ms. Marcotte, you and your sisterhood have been telling us you are strong, you are capable, and you can stand on you own. Prove it, do it, and go your own way. Adieu.
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So?
As some women begin to bear a disproportionate share of the burden of financing other women’s “choices”, watch the sisterhood disintegrate. Why, who knows what might happen – some people might start trying to shame men into putting themselves back in the harness and write books telling them to “Man Up!”
I, personally, am not in the least bit concerned about getting my “fair share” of the money that government confiscates from others spent on me. The only reason that the massive social welfare system was able to be built is because it masked a transfer of wealth from men to women. When men stop producing surplus wealth and feeding the beast requires transferring wealth from employed women to other women, the cat-fight is gonna be awesome.
Grab some popcorn and a cold beer and enjoy the show!
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Exactly right. Time will kill all men eventually. The best way to make sure there are fewer men is to get rid of the wombs that produce them, or at the least get rid of them when they are young and helpless and can’t fight back. Attrition will take care of the rest.
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Hey zed I agree with you. Single men may emerge as the most ‘liberated’ people in the future. Government will flail around seeking more sources of taxation from an ever diminshing pool of workers earning enough to be taxed.
The best thing men can do is work as few hours as possible to maintain a decent income; by doing so you deprive government of tax that would otherwise be spent on women.
Just beware government introducing a ‘bachelor tax’ in the future.
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There of course will be no “bachelor” tax. It will be increased fees for insurance and medicine for men only, decreased services for men, and tax breaks for women, it’s all the same as a man tax.
Our current rulers are duplicitous and very good at NewSpeak.
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When guys bring up the idea of a ‘bachelor tax’, my response is “Pay it – with a smile.” It’s still cheaper than a wife, and no nagging.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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What woman would ever want to be bothered with a man?
He leaves his dirty socks on the floor.
He never puts the lid back on the tooth paste.
His whiskers are always clogging up the sink.
He insists on wearing that shirt he knows I hate.
OMG! Why can’t he ever aim straight when he tinkles?
And just the other day he left the toilet seat up AGAIN!
The way he always has to go “AAaahhh” after he swallows his coffee.
He forgot it was my mothers birthday for the second year in a row.
He didn’t lock the back door before we went to bed last night.
Then he steals all the covers on the coldest night of the year!
He never listens to anything I say.
He never shares his emotions or what he’s feeling.
He’s not interested in hearing about my emotions or how I feel.
Why can’t he wipe the crumbs off the kitchen counter after making a sandwhich? He’s a hopeless slob and I’m NOT his maid!
Yes, I see what she means. Men are such a burden to be with.
Oh and wait, I’m not finished…he always has to leave his loose change EVERYWHERE. It just drives me crazy!
Oh and one more thing, those smelly sneakers he wears on weekends….
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In my state it is illegal for there to be separate male and female health insurance plans so I already pay the bachelor tax in that sense among others.
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Firepower:
You’ll SOONER change Nancy Pelosi’s or Jesse Jackson’s mind.
Wise up.
You mistakenly believe that my goal is to change Amanda Marcotte’s mind. It’s merely to provide a counterpoint to her weak arguments in a way that the “guys” at The Good Men Project won’t do. And, hopefully, it’s a step towards something that Paul Elam seems to be trying to do which is not let feminists characterize MRAs based on their own misconceptions. If feminists are able to argue against the MRA of their own design, of course they’ll choose the one that paints men’s rights in the worst way. It is important to rally against that.
Amanda Marcotte is ultra feminine.
She is honest and straightforward in a roundabout way.
She knows what she’s fighting for and goes for it with all her female might.
She is incapable of goodwill, generosity or anything at all, only being able to transduct the good will and generosity of the male, which is pure feminism.
I respect Amanda Marcotte for that. She is a great woman.
I only wish more men could be so selfish, greedy and inconsiderate about the opposite sex .
Amanda Marcotte in that regard is everything I wish the MRM was.
Selfish, greedy and self serving in every way in the interests of men.
Women would pay a tax for living in male built society(if they so choose to) and using male utilities and technologies and said tax would be used to better the welfare of men.
Men would be free to bar women from all male conceived institutions.
And from learning, possessing and utilising male derived knowledge, technologies and systems.
All women who have stolen money and assets through alimony and child support from men would be forced to pay it back. And executed if their partner died as a result of their being financially ruined.
And the marital union and its desolation would be one that selfishly serves male interests. If a man wants to divorce his wife he would be entitled to take everything she has, kids, house, car, her blue jeans and the loose change in them.
Women never fought in wars to protect their husbands, fathers and sons or the sovereignty of the nations in which they resided.
Women spend a century voting on wars but fight and die in none of them. When will men collect their due. Skulls for the skull throne?
etc. etc.
But men just don’t have the gonads for this stuff.
So sad.
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“But would women actually move towards combat roles in the military, fire fighting, and coal mining if there were no social barriers to entry?”
No, they would not. Here in Canada there have been gov’t funded programs to train females in traditional male occupations. Their argument is that they pay better for entry level jobs, and women are being kept from working there.
In one case, they train females to get into construction. For 30 years they have given free carpentry training and education, but only for females. The result? The last I heard they were crying about “how they needed more funding” because the % of females in construction is STILL 3%, it hasn’t changed.
When do we as a society say enough, and quit funding these useless programs that obviously don’t work, cause women don’t choose to work in jobs where everyday they could easily be injured or die?
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Just occurred to me:
“Good Man” == Good German.
With all the semantical freight that implies.
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Crella wrote: but still do more free labor at home
What you do for your family out of love, and a desire to have a nice home being classified as ‘free labor’ grates….everything being classified as ‘work’ and ‘labor’ just smacks of cold-heartedness. I hope she never has a family. Computing how many more seconds she worked daily as opposed to her mate would probably take up most of her time, and make her head explode
I think with women who do that, the problem is that they resent a man who does not have the means to provide maids, etc. these women don’t resent the amount of housework they have to do,(and view it as labor), they resent having to do any work at all. I think women like this want to be “compensated” for having to marry a man who does not have money for servants. Women who nitpick like that think they are marrying beneath them, regardless of their ability to attract the men they want. they always frame it as a privilege for a man to be married at all.
True story: A woman I went to college with, who was a single mother, moved into a boyfriend’s new $500,000 house; he asked her to do some housework, she exploded with anger, and took her kid and moved in with her mother in another town.
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Good god almighty, I’m back again. I really can’t stand this bitch… maybe it’s the nose – I don’t know. Reading the interview with Jamie Keiles in The Feministing Five, I just wanted to point out that this isn’t just a feminist. This is one of those foaming-at-the-mouth libtards that — due to her lack of critical thought process when it comes to something as serious as letting ones emotions be the basis for passage of legislation or even a societal normalcy — proves, through one comment, that she lacks the capacity in any sense of the term to provide any type of leadership at all. God help the blogosphere if this JAP is heralded in even the most minor way as a voice to provide women with guidance. For instance, look at this naive little fool’s opinion in regards to freedom of speech-though-expression, made known in her comments regarding clothing designer John Galliano’s publicly spoken personal opinion, which contained ethnic slurs that some found offensive:
There you have it. If your opinion is dissenting from that of the majority, you should be silenced. Very good, Ms. Keiles… you fucking idiot!
I swear to God, if my daughter ever brings home a friend from school that spews this sort of garbage, I will expressly forbid her from speaking with the girl. Or, maybe I should be smart and homeschool my daughter so that she doesn’t end up a brainwashed, “liberated” feminist, independent, empowered cumdumpster.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Is Amanda Marcotte the one that looks like Tin-Tin, or is that a different Amanda?
lolzzllz!!!!!!!!!!
Amanda Marcotte looks like Alfred E Neumann…with Charlie Sheen’s chin. I mean seriously, check out Marcotte’s chin. It’s a fuckin manjaw.
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I can’t help but wonder what Amanda M puts on her tax form for “occupation”. Blogger? I mean, seriously. What does she say when she meets someone who politely asks:
“And what to YOU do?”
“Oh, I have a career in blogging.”
“Ummmm. OOOoooKkkkkaaay. I just remembered, I gotta be somewhere else, bye!”
Contrasting that to the cute Viet hostess at lunch today who spoke with a darling bit of Valley Girl accent: I opened by commenting on the improbability of her accent and we had a nice chat. Turns out she moved up from So. Cal. a few years ago to take a nursing supervisor position at one of the local hospitals and works swing shift, so she probably won’t be there when I stop by after work tomorrow to check out the restaurant’s spring rolls.
A am often impressed how hard SEA women work compared to WAWs. I mean, here she is working two jobs, while Amanda “blogs”.
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Opps *What do YOU do?*
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Two points:
1) Exposing the Good Men Project will be easy: the high profile, genuine men’s sites simply place a (recognizably-branded?) link at the top of their home page pointing out that the GMP is a fraud created by feminists to poison the debate. It could even be framed, high-lit along with their assaults on any male-only space (boy scouts, men’s sports clubs, battered men’s refuges etc.) as yet another example of feminists’ pathological inability to just leave us alone.
2) TFH, I like the term ‘anti-misandry’. Why?
a. It raises the profile of the word which can only be good for us
b. If sites friendly to us referred to themselves as being anti-misandry sites, it makes it much harder to attack us (“ah, so you must be pro-misandry then?”).
…thinking about it, perhaps we should start a site called the Better Men Project. That both undermines the GMP and simultaneously puts the ball back in the female court to defend why they are not trying to be better women.
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I am not at all concerned about my lack of sex, I have never attributed having sex with people that dont matter to me as a value. I am sad about the loss of the traditional family. I am sad at the feminization of society: the decline of personal responsibility, the lack of competency in institutions and businesses that inevitably accompany women and other “disadvantaged” groups entering the public life to accomplish diversity, the triumph of socialism over limited government, the triumph of feelings over reason in the big issues of the day, the decline of civil society because the government is assumed to be omnicompetent. I know feminists would never understand discontentment over such matters, they dont think that much about things.
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Zed When men stop producing surplus wealth and feeding the beast requires transferring wealth from employed women to other women, the cat-fight is gonna be awesome.
Brilliant Zed. Working childless women already resent working mothers.
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Paradox : Contrasting that to the cute Viet hostess at lunch today
Yeah baby!!!
So I googled(viet girl blog). No viet girl blogs! But take a look at viet girl blog images!
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The last thing feminists like Marcotte want is a strong, well organized Men’s Rights Movement. In spite of their casual dismissals and practiced nonchalance, feminists are inherently afraid knowing that their bread is buttered by men who either directly or indirectly support them. Marcotte can have all the abortions she wants but that does not mean she is entitled to the fruits of my hard earned labor.
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The solution is more feminism. In fact, get your ass out of dodge and let them have all the feminism they want!
Heck, you could say that the only way for them to have all the feminism they need is for men to get out of the way so that they can’t unwittingly hinder them.
Let them eat cake.
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Aaaaand… I messed up the tags. Too many different forums, blargh.
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But all is not bliss.
She’s pissed at me right now.
Bought a car for my son. Didn’t “bargain” enough for her.
When she loves me it’s heaven, when she hates me I want to slit my own throat.
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OK, she’s making spring rolls, all is well. Though post-fighting sex is pretty awesome.
After school today she said she wants to take a baking class. Then I got the brilliant idea : she should teach viet cooking there. She’s a little shy about that but I think it would work.
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OK she’s still pissed about the car. But damn those spring rolls are good. Now she’s fixing dinner. The other night she made, get this, Honey Roasted Peanuts.
Took a long time for me to convince her to let me warsh the dishes for her. We actually fought over this. She took a photo of me in my gloves and sent to her family : “This is what American man do.”
Really I just want her to conserve her energy for sex time.
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Quail : it’s what’s for dinner!
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Yeah, sure, and MRM is the answer to women’s problems.
I’d like to quote what T.L. wrote:
“You will win any debate, as you always win debates, by the fact of your sheer refusal to deal in any sense of reality whatsoever. Living in an alternate Feminist universe of your own creation, you will always win your alternate-universe-crazy debates. It’s a waste of our time and we know it.”
Debating with this bitch is trying to convince the pope that religion is nothing but an evolutionnary cognitive device. Or trying to convince billionaires that they should become communists.
We need to read and understand feminists to expose their lies. But we need ot indulge in the fallacy that there can be any sensible debate with them.
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Sure does, besides what I stated above, but I just can’t put my finger on the deeper squickiness I feel when I hear that. It’s just repulsive at a gut level.
Including the young man who was captured on camera at an ATM at the time of the ‘assault’. She never admitted she was wrong, she just deleted the blog entry she wrote when she witnessed the case break on CNN.
Speaking of CNN, they’ve had articles up this week about women making more than men, maybe someone should tip Amanda off.
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QFT!
I was born and lived my entire life in the golden age of feminism. Logic would say that if any of their marketing brochures were even partially true re: that feminism is good for men and that feminism represents men as well, that I would be their male poster child for their “product.” I am not, with every LTR, every ungrateful, harping, spiteful cold-hearted feminist who was always there to gloat and kick me when I was down, I became the opposite. I didn’t go looking for the MRA scene, I was driven to it. And perhaps that can be the only good thing I can credit to feminism because if it wasn’t for the night I googled “Women suck” as the only outlet for my frustration and despair that I was alone in this or losing my mind, I might now be dead or at the very least, insane and broken.
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Geat post GT66. I googled(vietnam girl blog) and found this :
http://fungur.blogspot.com/2010/06/hot-girl-elly-very-girl-from-vietnam.html
They’re real.
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Marcotte is a femmy idiot. Its so obvious she doesn’t need to be explained.
Why re you give the dumb can’t any energy.
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The Good Men Project sounds like The Good Negro Project revised. Just a different group to keep down with “supposed to’s”. Time to chuck the supposed to’s.Time to be uppity and difficult. Let’s try real hard not to be “good men”.
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@oddsock…
Precisely.
Womens’ demands for mens’ emotional content is merely a gathering of arms on their part. Giving in to those demands guarantees the use of those emotions against one at some point.
Marcotte’s GMP article is a prime example. She demands angry responses, counts on them and will use them in future.
It needs to be understood that women are not more emotional than men. Emotions serve as their tools of trade and of control. Never underestimate their mastery of these tools. Take note of how simply and frequently their ploughshares become swords. Do not be deceived by facades of weakness which are, in reality, shields of awesome power fueled by the emotions of others.
Deny it interest, deny it energy, and it cannot control you.
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So hold up, let me get this straight.
The solution to opposition against feminism, is the acceptance of feminism?
Only a Woman could take something that f’ing stupid and write an article and over-complicated it. The solution to resistance against feminism is more feminism! DURRR WHY DIN’T WE STOOPID MENZ THINK OF DAT? HURR DURR…
Basically she’s saying the antidote to the poison within us(society), is more poison. Of course, ingenious!
Lack of sex? LOL, why do feminists ALWAYS assume this? Feminists assume that a Man who has enough sex, will not oppose a Woman. Women think their vagina’s are magical, no surprise. I’m pretty sure damn near every Man on this website has had his fair share of vagina, it’s insulting that this harlot would even try to push that crap.
Slightly passive-aggressive mixed with a pathetic attempt to pander to an audience, this Woman is a fool. The feminists who try to separate themselves from their radical sisters are hilarious, it’s the typical girl mindset “I’m not like all the other girls, I’m different, I’m special!”… CRAP.
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“Marcotte essentially argues that MRAs hope to maintain the “occupational death gap” because it provides an excuse for the gender pay gap.”
Disgusting. Only a depraved mind could come up with something like this.
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I don’t read the “Good Boy!” Project too often.
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@ BeijaFlor March 10, 2011 at 20:31
I’m pretty sure that DevilDog was using “fair share” as a figure of speech to mean “enough to see” [that vaginas are not magical].
And what is this “putative” [generally regarded as such; supposed] father stuff? Are you bragging that you are the result of a spooge-fest by your mother?
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@BeijaFlor
Enough to know that vagina’s aren’t magical
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manonon
Yes!
Call them feminists. Call them conservative female supremacists. Call them what you will.
Don’t think for one minute that team vagina will sit still for this.
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gwallan
I disagree. I think this is one situation where feminism would like to try and keep a lid on things. That’s why they try to tell us to tone in down. The noise we make is the sound of the freed slave talking to the plantation. The more ‘misogynistic’ the rants the louder that noise. Attempting to turn mainstream off to us by showing everyone what ‘big’ ‘awful’ ‘misogynists’ we all are just exposes our message to more field hands and they damn well know it.
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Bachelor Tax? My history is a bit rusty, but didn’t they try that in Ancient Rome…
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Question marks instead of periods.
Damn, I need to get some sleep.
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I reject the notion that feminism is not a hate based movement or that it has ever truly sought “equality” between the sexes.
Feminism, at it’s core has devalued, demonized, and scapegoated men from the very beginning. It takes customs and laws from historical periods and then scrutinizes them with modern day values. This is both dishonest and unfair.
Furthermore, feminism engages in confirmation bias. This is a method of proving a hypothesis by pointing to specific incidents which support your point but also ignoring all the evidence which disproves your point.
For instance, women who married may have been asked to give up their property. However, in doing so they were guaranteed to be supported for the rest of her husband’s life. They were also immune from prosecution of civil and criminal laws. In fact, a woman’s husband would face trial, imprisonment, and even execution for all her crimes up to and including murder and treason. And should his wife incur more debt than he could pay for it was not uncommon for a man to spend life in debtors prison. Far from the so-called “unequal” patriarchal laws cited by feminists the Doctrine of Coverture regarding marriage gave women a superior position over her husband. Untouchable by law enforcement with the ability to rid themselves, fairly or unfairly, of any husband she no longer wanted. Oh, and as for her property, it was also not uncommon for women to sign a simple legal document which allowed her to retain possession and control of all her assets. The modern day equivalent is a prenuptial agreement but back then it didn’t take lawyers.
In every age and epoch women had it better than men. They enjoyed more food, shelter, comfort, and resources than men and they had less risks to their health and safety. In fact, of all the men who ever lived more than half died before being able to reproduce. Of course these facts never make it into the feminist monologue. How can women portray themselves and perpetual victims if they give a fair hearing to the condition of men?
It is for this reason that any person who calls themselves a feminist by default hates men. One cannot adopt an ideology which scapegoats an entire gender without being regarded as hateful. Even if a person rejects the false history created by feminism and yet adopts the name to describe themselves then they are lending their approval to those actions and beliefs.
One cannot call themselves a white supremacist and expect people to regard them as an egalitarian. Similarly, a person cannot call themselves a feminist and not be regarded as a hater of men.
Lastly, the notion that a group can pursue the interests of women while ignoring the needs and rights of the other half of society and arrive at equality is complete bullshit.
You know it and I know it.
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Technically speaking, the hours worked by women in the home should be divided in half since she’s actually doing at least half of it for herself and her kids. Cleaning the house she lives in would be done by her even if she wasn’t married.
Secondly, with women making only about 80% of men because women don’t want to do the hard work men do, she’s getting a share in that extra income. So if she does more at home it’s only fair since her husband is doing more at work.
And let’s face it, men don’t get the spoils of his own labor. Most of it goes to wife and kids where as women’s income is often consumed on makeup clothes, etc.
Even back in the 1970′s women were spending as much money as they could. My mother maxed out several secret credit cards that she took out in my father’s name because he couldn’t keep her at the material level she wanted. He bought a nice house in a nice neighborhood, had a car, investments, and worked his tail off for her.
The irony is that she was just a coal miners dumb cunt daughter who grew up dirt poor and was both narcissistic and unfaithful. Apparently that shit ran in her family. Most of her brother’s don’t know who their father is and I’m not so sure about my two sisters. I’m sure about my dad. I’m a dead ringer for him and and I’m thankful for it. My sisters though–not so much.
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This talk of free woman’s work in the home reminds me of the time when feminist said that mothers work is worth a million pounds a year or some such. The claim was that mothers were, nurse, doctor, teacher, chef, cleaner, etc, etc and if you were to pay her as a pro she should be payed a godzillion pounds LOL.
I always though being a mother was an honor, a privilege and a joy not a god dammed JOB.
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@Jean Valjean: “confirmation bias”
selecting the facts to confirm one’s conclusion. Yes, sums up a major fault of feminists and, may I dare say, women.
Confirmation bias. I’ve been looking for the term that describes this. thanks.
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Yes. How many times have they accused us of being bad because we were anti-feminist? (“Because feminism is for ekwalitee guys!”) It also broadens the net to include conservative style misandry.
Well done!
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@ Anonymous March 10, 2011 at 21:36
And what is this “putative” [generally regarded as such; supposed] father stuff? Are you bragging that you are the result of a spooge-fest by your mother?
My last communication from him, before he “went West,” asked if I had ever tried to get in touch with my biological father.
Yeah, I guess you could say that my mother was one of the early feminists. According to her sister, she found the best sperm-donor she could for me, and divorced her husband (the guy whose name is on my birth cert) before I was born. But this was before the full-out gynocratic terror, and she didn’t get the full-out pillage-and-plunder-his-paycheck reward the girls get today; she had to work hard, at menial jobs, to raise me. I stayed with her after I grew up, paid my share (and eventually all) of the living expenses, finally bought the house we lived in until she died. “A good son,” Confucius would have called me. But my filial devotion earned me obvious contempt from the girls my own age. I did get very clever with my hands.
No, I’m not “bragging” about my genetics, and I certainly have nothing to brag about in my love life. In fact, I could say I’ve been screwed by feminism since my conception.
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Idiot in charge claims, “In almost two-thirds of families led by single mothers or two parents, women are either the primary or co-breadwinner.”
Two things; First, uhm… yea if a family consists of a single mother, she would be the primary breadwinner, no? Secondly, he unintentionally answers the question. The % of single mothers that are not the primary breadwinners – that’s because they are living off of some poor sucker, yes?
TMOTS
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Tell me about it. I even have a conservative male friend who has bought into that line and think it is a great way to convince a woman to enjoy staying at home. Just wait until a woman divorces a man and sues him for past non-wages too.
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Philip, there’s a group of professional complainers here which does this same fake calculation each year and publicizes the “results” the week before Mother’s Day — kinda like how we get the update every xmas what the twelve days now costs.
It’s fun to email them with the observation (from the male POV) that with their “research” demonstrating wives costing so much, it would behoove the rational economic actor (read: male) to forgo such a huge expense — even if they over-estimate by a substantial factor, one gets the essential message that wives are expensive — in favor of restaurants, a twice a month cleaning service, and a twice a week whore. It’s not that I don’t have the money
It’s hardly surprising A.M. (or any other feminist) would so quickly discount men’s concerns. As Almroth Wright put it about a century ago: “…she [the suffragist/feminist] concerns herself very little with those evils which do not furnish her with a text for recriminations against man.”
The more things don’t change, the more they stay the same.
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Now American women do no housework, they just sit on their ass and get fat.
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@ Uncle Elmer,
“Working childless women already resent working mothers.”
You got that right. If you ever look at the child-free blogs the writers are almost all women, even though women make up the minority of child-free adults I’m sure. In no particular order the main complaints are:
1) Feral kids and the parents who won’t control them.
2) The “Mommy Pass” that allows parents mothers to get away with things at work that men and child-free women can’t get away with themselves.
3) Benefits given to people with children that everyone must pay for even only one parents from the arrangement.
4) Listening to people tell them they need to “grow up” and have kids.
Who knows? Maybe the child-free community and the MRM are natural allies. Most of them are women, but they are a subset of women whose complaints are very similar to that of the MRM. We look at the problem as a “Feminocracy” while for them the problem is more specific, a “Matriocracy.” So while our strategic interests are not compatible, at the operational level both groups have common enemies and common goals.
The “Mommy” blogs are a wasteland. They REVEL in their privilege/victim/martyr status. It’s all baby, baby, baby, baby, motherhood is SOOOOOO hard, baby, baby baby, new shoes, baby, baby, I deserve the world on a platter, baby, baby, baby, baby, childless people need to stop complaining about all the benefits I get that they pay for, baby, baby, baby, parenting is the hardest job in the world, baby, baby, my husband doesn’t help as much as he should, baby, baby, schools, baby.
If you look for the sake of morbid curiosity, do it in small doses or your head will explode.
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Corrections in bold. (I hate it when I do that):
1) Feral kids and the parents who won’t control them.
2) The “Mommy Pass” that allows mothers to get away with things at work that men and child-free women can’t get away with themselves.
3) Benefits given to people with children that everyone must pay for even though only parents benefit from the arrangement.
4) Listening to people tell them they need to “grow up” and have kids.
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Lyn87,
That is interesting.
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Who knows? Maybe the child-free community and the MRM are natural allies.
I second that. Very interesting proposition.
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baby, baby, my husband doesn’t help as much as he should, baby,
…plus tips to get husband to rogure them towards another baby…
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Thanks Aharon,
It didn’t really even occur to me until I saw Uncle Elmer’s post and had an epiphany. Any strategist can tell you “divide and conquer” is preferable to going toe-to-toe against a strong enemy. If you can get allies to help you against one group, so much the better. If that ally is someone you’ll have to fight later, that’s best of all.
The way I see it there are competing camps within feminism: the “Yugo Grrrls” and the ones on the “Mommy Track.” Both benefit from the “Feminocracy” but only mothers benefit from the subset of it that I term the “Matriocracy.” On the other hand married “Mommies” don’t like that the “Yugo Grrrls” benefit from the feminization of the workforce, since it harms the “Daddies” who bring home their bacon. This presents a potential opportunity.
As I pointed out, women in the child-free community benefit from feminism but are screwed by the “Matriocracy” part of it. They get a small taste of what men face in that childless women are expected to cover for their female colleagues who have to leave three hours early to pick up little Susie from daycare and take little Bobby to soccer practice. They have no respect for male or female bosses who cater to working moms by pushing their work onto everyone else. They also hate it that men look at them as liabilities subject to leaving the workforce for “female” reasons when they have no intention of doing so (and a lot of them really mean it – many child-free women would never reproduce).
By and large they sympathize to a degree with men who get shafted because of the “Mommy Pass,” since they get shafted too. A lot of “Yugo Grrrrls” enter the workforce, realize that they’re expected to work like men until they have kids, then start having kids since they weren’t all that serious about climbing the corporate ladder to begin with and being a mother is preferable to working for pay.
Scaling back the “Mommy Pass” is a more achievable short-term goal than killing off feminism outright, especially since child-free women are victims too.
Make no mistake, though, child-free women sound like MRA’s on “Mommy” issues but are garden-variety feminists on “Men” issues. We’ll have to fight them some day, but in the meantime they can expend their blood and treasure against our common foes in the Matriocracy.
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Lyn87,
Great observations in your post. I wish there was a way I could see a formal alliance in any form even on a limited single issue yet politically I don’t see it happening unless it does organically happen with each camp doing their own thing as individuals.
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A lot of “Yugo Grrrrls” enter the workforce, realize that they’re expected to work like men until they have kids, then start having kids since they weren’t all that serious about climbing the corporate ladder to begin with and being a mother is preferable to working for pay.
R.Don Steele dissected the glass ceiling myth many years ago in his seminal Office Politics book. He wrote that the reason there are so few women at the top is that the competition for executive positions is fairly brutal (read : cut-throat), and that as people get older the number of female competitors vs. men diminishes because they drop out to have kids. The path is littered with the bodies of men as well, but nobody cares about that.
Of course, feminists clamor that the business structures should be changed to provide these childbearing women a chance to compete for the top slots. This really defies the natural evolution of profitable businesses. The only way then is to appoint women ahead of their abilities which will inevitably lead to mediocre performance.
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Hear, hear! It has long been feminist’s goal to make women unhappy about what should be some of the most rewarding and joyous years of their lives, and I think they’ve succeeded. The child-free crowd has dubbed women with children ‘breeders’, which is a good indicator of their contempt. They’re often vicious in their dislike of children , period, not necessarily only badly misbehaved ones. ‘The planet isoverpopulated, you know’ they screech. Many women who do have kids go overboard justifying it in the extreme, there’s a lot of guilt out there, it seems, about going the wife and mother route.
The feminists started in early and often with the ‘you’re wasting your life , you’ll become a slave’ indoctrination . Again, feminism isn’t about women making the choices that make them happy , but the right choices, as the party dictates. The flap about Jessica Valenti’s marriage proved that! They attacked right off the bat, as soon as the wedding was announced, it was as if she was colluding with some heinous enemy. Any whiff of Patriarchal symbolism (“Is that dress WHITE!?’) was jumped on with both feet. I wonder if she or any of the women who follow those blogs, learned anything seeing the feminist blogging community turn on one of their own?
It was the sales job of the century, convincing women to turn their backs on motherhood, and painting being a wife and mother as ‘beneath’ them. Women by the millions bought it hook line and sinker. So we have the ‘child-free’ braying about the ‘breeders’(a little too loudly), the career women getting round after round of IVF in their 40s (more surreal divorce from biological reality) and very often failing to have that too-late baby, and those that decided to have kids in their 20s despite the ideology but who can’t quite unplug all the way, and ALL these women are miserable.
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Crella, I think part of it may be that the women who hate the “breeder” women are not able to compete with those women in many ways. They attack at least in part to hide their inferiority.
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Well….when I WAS making plenty of money I LIVED in the glass cellar. When I had 4 kids at home my ‘office’ as it was, was the old shower area in our house. I could touch the walls on all 4 sides standing on one spot. It was a cramped little office but it had to do. The kids had their bedrooms. When my former older son moved out I used his bedroom as my new office. it was so lovely to have a real office. In Ireland my office was also very small.
Now? My apartment is 100 sqm. I have two bedrooms, two bathrooms. My ‘office’ is one end of my massive living room with an old conference room table. You could play a game of cricket in my living room. One of my lady friends commented that my living room is larger than her whole apartment. So my living standards have gone MASSIVELY up despiet me spending so much time on unpaid work for men. The rent for this apartment is less than HALF the rent for my house in Ireland for the ‘albatros and kids’.
Yep. If you go from ‘married with kids’ and refuse to pay alimony or child support because they are NOT LAWFUL you tend to have a WHOLE lot more money.
Yep….and I will enjoy the run down to the wire. It is WOMEN that the PTB need to kill off. And the only way they can do that is to create the situation where men don’t care that the women are being killed off…….um…..like we are seeing starting now.
Since such taxes are not LAWFUL I’d suggest learning how to LAWFULLY refuse to pay it.
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Elmer my man. That’s a good observation. You should hear the childless INDIAN women bitch about how the WESTERN women who are mothers are so slack about their jobs. And when the western mothers go on about how ‘I have to leave early to pick up my kids’ having arrived at the office at 10am and sat and drank cups of coffee half the day because they are ‘tired from being mothers’…..man…the indian woman bitch up a storm. But…..what I am seeing in the UK is dark skinned Indian women (two points on the diversity scale) are displacing western women IN THEIR DROVES. And the Indian women are very conversatively dressed and do what they are allocated to do to the best of their ability while the western women dress like hookers and do as little as possible.
You are going to see these non-mother working women tear the hearts out of the ‘doting mothers’! Indeed. I think the WOMEN are going to be the ones to tell the women go ‘go home and take care of your children’.
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GT66. I am a bit the same. I thought that I must be crazy thinking that “all women were such nutters”. Until I met EEW. EEW are just EXACTLY like my grandmothers were. They talk the same way, even if a little different from the cultural background, but the sentiment is the same. They act very similar. They are respectful, kind, caring and thoughtful. You NEVER hear them sling off at men like western women. DOES NOT HAPPEN. They listen to what you say. Actually make sensible comment. Consider that women are also obligated to live up to their side of any bargain.
Example. When I was young and poor I had always dreamed my wife and I would travel the world, stay in nice places, enjoy our experiences together. One time we went around the world staying in New Orleans, Boston, New York, London, Paris, Hong Kong. She whined the whole freaking way about how ‘tired’ she was. I explained to her that when I travelled I was expected to get up and go to work and be on the ball and do AT LEAST 12 hour days!!
One time I took her to the Swiss-Hotel in Boston. I was at a conference. We stayed in USD800/night suite. (That I got for a good deal). We ate seafood chowder at legal seafood. She got to go shopping during the day. We went to shows after dinner. And she STILL bitched. I got zippo. Apparently I was ‘not a good enough husband yet’.
Contrast this with I took my fav#4 to (www.villakennedy.com) a few times. On the event of Germany playing England in the world cup we were there. We went for a walk by the Main river. We ate ice-cream on a river boat. We came back and went to the gym for an hour. Her commitment to encouraging me to be healthy. We went swimming in the pool. Man was she hot in a bikini. We spent a while in the spa. A while in the sauna. Then relaxed and had a kip in the poolside bar.
Then we readied for dinner. We decided to order dinner to our balcony. The sunset was perfect. The night was perfect. We talked and laughed the night away. She thanked me profusely for giving her this evening and told me she had never, in her life, had a man show her such kindness and generosity just because he could. She also reports that she had never, in her life, had a day like that. Simply did not happen. She commented a number of times that the only time she had ever felt or seen a man care for her like me was her father.
I can honestly say it was one of the loveliest davs of my life. For me? It cost pennies. I will not forget this day with this lovely woman so long as I live.
How sad is it that I could not have that experience with my WIFE but I have had it quite a few times over with someone I am quite new to? Western women HATE on me and use the lie ‘all women’. Nope. I have met ONE EEW that was not particularly likeable. But I cut ties to ALL but one western woman I knew before my divorce for being worthless to me and as people who condoned crimes.
I was asked today by a colleague about how many women friends I have because I am ‘hostile to women’. I told him I was not hostile to women. I was hostile to liars and hypocrites and those who condoned crimes regardless of sex. I pointed out that ONLY ONE of the MANY ‘women friends’ I had condemned my ex yet ALL the men I knew did so. I also commented that EVERY EEW I had met condemned my ex so they were perfectly ok as friends. He was a bit taken aback by that.
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Crella. You are correct in this case. In the UK the women who have ‘chosen not to have children’ are vicious towards the women who have kids. Especailly these 21 year old ‘welfare women’ who have had 4 kids by 5 different fathers! (Pun intended.) There are even women who proudly proclaim ‘I choose not to have children to help save the planet’. Won’t they be surprised when they finally realise the global warming scam was just that…a scam.
I had two daughters. I know full well that women are FAR better at making women miserable than men are. I BARELY know a man who actually WANTS to make a woman miserable. I know a few arseholes, yes. But they are NOT cruel and vindictive like women are. My eldest daughter used to make the most cruel and vindictive comments to my then wife to hurt her. And the daughter was 21 when she was doing this. I simply told my wife that she had produced this child and it was time for her to stand up to her daughters ‘bullying’ tactics. No prizes for guessing where the daughter GOT those bullying tactics from.
Contrast this with my EEW friends. They desperately want ‘husband and babies’. If I was prepared to have babies I could be married off to either my fav#1 or 4. But, since I do not want babies? They have both moved on from me. I am ‘not good enough’ as I do not want to be a slave again. Fine by me. Women are now attacking their manginas like John Stewart for the slighest ‘mis-step’. And you can see the beginnings of them attacking the other women too. It’s going to get nasty.
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@Lyn87: “If you can get allies to help you against one group, so much the better. If that ally is someone you’ll have to fight later, that’s best of all.”
Actually, they don’t even need to be an ally (as suggested by the second half of the above statement). The important thing is getting them to do something you’d like to see done. It does not have to be direct, it does not have to be obvious, or even ephemerally linked to the MRM. For example, I’m working on getting a feminist sexist school district superintendent fired. There is a higher-level bureaucrat who wants to reduce the number of school districts, so I’m feeding him reasons to make sure when the inevitable downsizing of school districts occurs, she will be one of those canned. The facts and arguments in support of this do not address her feminist bigotry, but she’ll be just as fired as if they did. Trying to “dialog” directly with this feminist would be a waste of time and energy.
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@PAN: “There are even women who proudly proclaim ‘I choose not to have children to help save the planet’”
I usually ask them who the heck they’re saving it for, and always get a blank, perplexed stare from them as though they’d never really thought it through like that.
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“I usually ask them who the heck they’re saving it for, and always get a blank, perplexed stare from them as though they’d never really thought it through like that.”
I always wondered why they didn’t mindlessly repeat what they heard on the tee-vee and say: “for the polar bears”.
But then I realized that womanatees look a lot like seals.
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This article made it perfectly clear where the “good men project” stands. As always, good men=feminist approved men; that is what they are interested in creating. Good men already exist its just women can’t see them without their feminist colored glasses. If something isn’t through the lens of feminism, it doesn’t exist.
I was wondering where the “good women project” is so I googled and found this
http://www.goodwomenproject.com/p/welcome.html
but alas, to them “Good women have the most fun, the best sex, and most fulfilling lives”.
Ugh, they just won’t get it. I doubt they would use the same definition for good men, because of course if men do those things they are immature, irresponsible, players, who are only thinking of themselves first. BUT women, on the other hand, can get away with it. In fact, we know men can’t use that definition as that is probably the motivation behind “good men project”.
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interesting name: crack smoker esq or lawyer
I’m noticing an increasing incidence of posters recently bashing this site and the MRA here while seemingly lumping together MRA with feminist radicals as if to suggest the poster is politically independent from gender politics and should be listened to. I do suspect that some of the negative posters are not simply stating their individual views. My gut tells me that some of them are very possibly political ‘plants’ and are not whom they seem to be.
Obviously, if crack smoker esq finds this blog extreme then she/he has not ventured deeply into the manosphere.
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http://www.lovevietnamesegirls.com/
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What a tool she is, and why any organization called the “Good Men Project” would print such trash is beyond me.
The good men project is a front for ms. magazine and managed by a mangina.
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After all? I wonder how many men in Haiti will fight to the death to defend the women who danced in the street, sang and laughed, and taunted the men as they were starving and held back from food at the point of a gun? Hhhmmmm…..
Can you provide a link where this is discussed even further?
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Keyster,
The government addressed women’s issues now I want the government to address men’s issues. If men need affirmative action style help then I say that it should be implemented.
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When guys bring up the idea of a ‘bachelor tax’, my response is “Pay it – with a smile.” It’s still cheaper than a wife, and no nagging
No,it is an unfair tax and one that I will protest. To smile about that is the same as smiling while being fucked.
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@ Paradoxotaur
No argument. The Yugo Grrlz who want to dismantle the Matriocracy are natural allies to the MRM to the extent that our goals and enemies coincide and no further. It’s sort of like the Communist Chinese teaming up with the Nationalist Chinese to fight the Japanese circa 1937-45. Their ultimate goals were incompatible, but both sides recognized which was the greater threat. Once the mutual enemy was gone they fought it out with each other, but each had expended effort in the meantime. They were temporary allies for convenience and nothing more.
Our opponents have forged an uneasy alliance against us. The Yugo Grrlz and the Mommies have goals that are fundamentally incompatible with each other, but both sides benefit some some aspects of feminism while being disadvantaged by other aspects. What makes this useful for our purposes is that the very things each group hates most are the same things the other group likes best.
The Yugo Grrlz like the workplace rules that allow them to compete against men with the playing field tilted in their favor. They also tend to favor the free-for-all sexual atmosphere. The Mommies lose out since the men who provide for them have to compete against the Yugo Grrlz‘s unfair advantages, which means less money for them and the kids, and they’re uneasy with the men in their lives hanging around at work all day with women they perceive to be sluts.
The Mommies like that they get to leave work early (either in terms of hours or decades), and see the Yugo Grrlz getting ahead of them if they return later. They can’t blame the “Pay-tree-arrrk-eee” since their female age-peers who didn’t have kids are doing well in the workplace. They want to benefits the Yugo Grrlz got for sort-of acting like men even though they themselves spent years raising children.
The Yugo Grrlz think the Mommies are slackers who want to be given what they feel they earned, and the Mommies want what the Yugo Grrlz got as the result of what they consider an illegitimate method: acting like men instead of raising children.
Neither side will overtly ally with the MRM because both sides still benefit immensely from feminism, but if each side fights against the unfair advantages the other side has, the whole system is weakened.
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The Yugo Grrlz like the workplace rules that allow them to compete against men with the playing field tilted in their favor.
They’re such a pain in the ass to work with as they have an endless capacity of intrigue and mischief. At one corporation a female engineer gave me “the eye”. As a dancin fool I was nightly around scads of women so cwhoreperate broads really didn’t register on my radar. I gave her the “empty-indifferent” response, or as a gf told me when she announced the breakup “I reach out, and there’s…nothing!”.
Anyway forgot about the engineer. Then had to attend some big meeting, everyone around a table. The only seat left was next to the female engineer. I walked over, sat down. She just had to make a big scene about getting up and moving to squeeze into a seat next to another chick as if I, Elmer, were some beta seeking crumbs of attention from her fat ass right in front of everyone. It just never stops.
Men are often bigger assholes than the females when they play their game of “king of the hill”, but at least I don’t get this idiot layer of sexual presumptions from them.
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A typical unevidenced claim from feminists. Firstly, the generalization will be wrong; when women work full time their male partners will often do an equal or greater share of essential home duties. Secondly, much of the work women do at home serves to meet their own preferences and don’t necessarily reflect the needs or preferences of the male partner. Without females in the house, men might repair their Harley in the sitting room, and making sure the parts have undisturbed places is much more important than having a gleaming toilet. Women tend to define “home labour” then complain when men are not obedient to their definition, one that often actually prevents men from using the shared home in ways that suits those men. Thirdly, the studies done from time to time consistently show that men on average contribute a bit more time than women towards their homes and families, when their income-earning role is included with their home maintenance, garden work, car maintenance, business negotiations (e.g. buying or renting a house), rubbish disposal etc. Fourth, the role of female homemakers is certainly not free. Men pay them both/either from their regular pay packets and/or through relationship property laws that allow women to steal 50% or more of men’s pre-existing assets and to enslave men through so-called “child support” at levels much greater than that required for children’s specific expenses.
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Amanda Marcotte is a feminist bitch.
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“What feminist/leftist/Marxist don’t comprehend”
Feminism/Leftism/Marxism are not all the same trend or mutually compatible.
Meanwhile, Feminism/Western Civilization/Capitalism/Democracy/Free Market are.
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“When you believe that we live in a female-dominated world where straight men are the most oppressed class, it tends to make you wrong about pretty much everything”
WRONG.
We live in a female-dominated world where straight men ARE the most oppressed class and that tends to make straight men wrong about pretty much everything.
Get it?”
That is true.
But the neo-cons here and elsewhere (who actually aren’t opposed to anti-feminism but simply attack feminists disingenuously as a way of attacking the New Left which is their real enemy) will object.
They will that’s “collectivism”, you are engaging in “Victim Politics”. They will posit instead that we are all free equal individuals – a Christian/Classical Liberal absurdity which is one of the foundational cornerstones of Western Civilization.
The fact however is that men are victims of feminism [and the systems that support/enable it] as a group and as individuals.
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But the neo-cons here and elsewhere (who actually aren’t opposed to feminism…
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Broken link – “feminists are not monolithic”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/xxfactor/archive/2009/05/15/
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