BY T.L.
There has been a lot of discussion of Kay Hymowitz’s article about “Manning Up” Here is the response that needs to be made:
You don’t get it Kay. We ARE manning up…that’s why we are dumping YOU.
The feminists of America have descended into this horrible web of deceit and self-destruction, and men finally are saying… enough. We are doing the best, most mature, and most appropriate thing to do in this case, the right thing thing. We are walking away.
You say “what about society, what about children?” We ARE doing the best thing for society. We ARE doing the best thing for children. Women as a group have become a giant Charlie Sheen…crazy, drug-addled, abusive, paranoid, destructive of themselves and their loved ones, and above all, utterly, utterly in denial of their vile behavior. Women are on a relentless tear, not only destroying their own happiness but dragging all around them down as well. And we men, after 40 years of being the quiet, enabling co-dependent spouse, after cleaning up and justifying and covering up your abuse, putting on face makeup to hide the emotional bruises you give us and hiding the emotional scars you give our children — finally having been pushed to the point where we see very clearly that this this process is headed towards real honest-to-god tragedy, we are doing what anybody in these situations learn to do. What any good counselor or physiatrist would tell recommend. We are walking away from you, and letting you crash.
We aren’t being immature and we aren’t scared of strong women, Kay. Today’s men are just fine…more sober, more sane, more responsible than we have been in years, facing and recognizing the truth: that women simply cannot be trusted any longer to care for or protect a healthy society…that’s it’s up to us men, for the good of our sons AND our daughters, to start pulling back and letting you have the sole burden for your own neuroses.
And just as an aside, let me point out that you and other women like you aren’t “strong women”, unless you call being batshit crazy “strong”.
So to all you men…walk away, walk away. Women have twisted marriage and gender relations into an extraordinary web of lies. They are all too willing to drag all us, men, families, and children too, down into that. It is time to say no more.
Walk away, men, preserve yourselves, not just because it’s the right thing to do personally, and it is, but because it’s the right thing to do for society.
And Kay, after you and your fellow nutcase feminists have finished your descent into narcissism, neuroses, man-hate, family-hate, and self-hate, after you’ve finally burned into ashes that last of your life on the pyre of feminist deceit, we can only hope, that the shock of seeing yourself abandoned and loveless might cause you to look in the mirror and recognizing how ugly you have become.
Maybe you will start to put yourself back together again and maybe then we’ll come back in force. Or more likely, you’ll simply continue as you are, meaner and loopier than ever, and it will be your daughters — those girls who will judge you a thousand times more harshly than men ever could, as daughters have judging their mothers for thousands of years — it will be your daughters who will be the ultimate “walk aways”, who will reject the feminist viral infection of their mothers, who will stop attending man-hate classes at the universities, who will slowly and painfully attempt the job of rebuilding that joyous life of marriage and family which their great-grandmothers sacrificed so much to build, and which your generation trampled. It will be your daughters who will curse your name, as they deal with the loneliness of broken homes and the financial poverty which is an inevitable result of marriage-averse men.
Maybe in the future we will all live in flying cars and zip between skyscrapers full of techno-wonders. Not likely. More likely we’ll live in a nation like Brazil, with a few ultra-rich living behind walls to protect them from the masses of the slums. And what your daughters will learn, as so many thousands of years of women have known, is that when money is scarce and poverty threatens, a good husband and his second income is the one sure-fire way to lessen the odds she and her children will live in squalor. And so many of those daughters, living in the marriage-averse society which you are bequeathing them, will not be married, will not have your high-end jobs (which long since disappeared), will not have any money bequeathed from you (since you will have long since squandered it on trips to Italy and Thailand to “find your bliss”).
Your daughters may live to see their children, your granddaughters, living in squalor, may live to feel that agonizing despair that parents feel when they cannot provide for their children. And feeling that agonizing despair, those future women will think back and they will damn you.
That is your most likely destiny Kay. Time for you to face it.
For us men, we hope to avert that future, at least partially. So we choose to walk away NOW, as early and fast as possible. We want that necessary pain to start early, to get it over with faster, so those future generations of women see more clearly what you have done and will reject you faster, so that our future generation of sons will see again, that they have a choice bequeathed to them by fathers who had the self-respect to say “no!”.
The fastest way to repair marriage is not to repair marriage. The fastest way is to let it crash and burn, let you finish your job of destroying it, and let you see the consequences that you have so diligently refused to acknowledge for all these years. This is shock therapy. It’s painful. That’s the point.
Now as you read this Kay, I don’t doubt that you are carefully constructing all your refutations of these points. But, none of those refutations matter, because men have stopped debating. You will win any debate, as you always win debates, by the fact of your sheer refusal to deal in any sense of reality whatsoever. Living in an alternate Feminist universe of your own creation, you will always win your alternate-universe-crazy debates. It’s a waste of our time and we know it. We choose instead to simply walk away, the ultimate argument throughout history, and (apparently) the only thing that will get through your thick skull.
Having met that non-debate, I’m sure your next step will be (*yawn) the usual name-calling (“loser, misogynist, probably still living in your mom’s basement, probably haven’t gotten laid in years or divorced and bitter”). The point is Kay, none of the usual names apply. Most men are not those things. Most of us are just normal guys…mature, healthy, married, boys, men, dads… guys who take care of their families and neighborhoods. That’s what you need to get Kay. You and other feminists have finally crossed the line, and even we men who are content, we men who are not (knock on wood) divorced, are taking notice. When we teach our sons about marriage, we’ll be teaching them to avoid you and your kind. When we teach our daughters about life, we’ll try our damnedest to steer them away from women like you.
Kay, why don’t you write about all *this*. This is the reality of the other 50% of the population. What a book you could write about it.
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Posted this at Ferdinand Bardamu’s site in response to similar essay : The Fear of Manning Up
http://www.inmalafide.com/
Gotta work, can’t wade through all this. Company I was consulting to went belly-up last week and I am seeking new opps.
Last week kept a low profile as “corporate” was there figuring how to pull the plug. Some woman was using my desk. “Are you the accountant?” I asked pleasantly. “No! I’m the CFO!” she replied haughtily. BFD bitch.
I have learned my craft well. I disdain the bitches openly. I will be talking to numerous companies in the next few weeks and will walk away from any situation involving females. Not an idle threat; I have just learned it’s a complete waste of my time to engage them at any level. I am working on my own terms and succeeding.
Though men shank me and insult me, only men provide me with opportunity. Women can only insult me and deprive me of opportunity. Only men take the risks that create industry and opportunity. Women can only serve as mere functionaries in man-created structures. When an organization becomes feminized, priority shifts from efficient and profitable production of goods and services to development of labarythine rules for the comfort and security of women. Ossification and organizational death are then inevitable.
Leadership : learn ballroom dance. It is 100% about men as leaders
Wife : vietnamcupid.com Found my bride there in 5 minutes. She cooks and cleans all day every day. Fantastic viet cuisine. Her ass is like teen butt, I rogure it twice a day. She is dedicated to being a “good wife” and takes it very seriously. She observes everything about me to find out any little thing to please me with. I am a good husband to her; her friends and family respect me a lot. Someone offered her a job last week and I said “No”, as the scenario was unsafe for her. Made her pussy wet, I tell you what.
Work : All web essays about finding work or dealing with layoff are bullshit. Expect essay by Uncle Elmer soon on the truth about finding work, for men only. In the meantime check out asktheheadhunter.com as he has pretty much written the book on the methods I struggled for years to understand.
Cojones : Don’t use this word as it now belongs to the feminist money-hag Sarah Palin (TM).
Better to live under a bridge with your nuts swinging free than to have a McMansion with your nuts on the public chopping block.
That’s all for now, gotta scratch up some work. Will report back later. After my wife makes lunch we will take a nap during which she will stroke my leathery balls and then roll over to get rude roguring.
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re : “strong women”
You ladies just don’t get it. We want a woman, not a co-worker. Your “strength” and “success” don’t intimidate us; it bores the crap out of us.
When a man comes home from work he wants a feminine woman to wash the stain of trying to eke out a living in a hostile world off his barbarian ass. That’s all he wants.
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Kay, why don’t you write about all *this*. This is the reality of the other 50% of the population. What a book you could write about it.
Good essay though T.L.
They won’t write about the truth because there’s no market for it. Men don’t en masse by this drivel, only women line up for it. It’s gender-porn.
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Kay and her ilk have but one argument: men, as a whole, are obligated to toil away and sacrifice to provide for women. Everything else they add is just smoke and mirrors to fuel the rationalization hamster.
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“Man up” is a term that originated from a superior officer shaming a subordinate soldier in the military. It was between men. Now women have adopted it en masse to shame men individually and as a group. Because to “man up” implies your not one or not being one, as in providing for a woman somehow. It’s supposed to shame you into taking some sort of action.
Let’s make a deal shall we?
When women begin to “Woman Up”, men will man up in response. Until then you’re on your own. We can provide for ourselves, because we don’t need much to be happy. We can protect ourselves too. When all hell breaks loose and your on the streets, we’ll rooting for you to “go grrl go”!
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A radio interview with Kay Hymowitz from last Wednesday.
Listen Here
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Hey Kay! I am 25, never married or divorced. I rarely f ever play video games. I have my own place, car and a high powered corporate job, so I’m not your definition of a loser. Yet I have taken notice of the bad behavior of women in general and especially the feminists. I am one more guy that will just walk away, I’m not going to sign myself up for marriage slavery like you want and no amount of shaming language will change that.
Have a great and lonely life!
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Good article!
One of my favorite teachings lines (I’ve quoted here before) is an old Biblical teaching, a Proverb I believe: ‘being kind to the cruel is being cruel to the kind’. Rewarding feminists and spoiled entitled western women with special rights that empower and enrich them while discriminating and stealing money from men is proving kindness to the cruel and cruelty to the men who have been used and beaten up providers and protectors of women, government, children, and society.
— exactly!!
— I really need to do this more often and stop wasting my time debating burning up my time and energy. Last night and today, I wasted much doing debate at the Spearhead with a feminist in the recent article on the rape laws. It really is a waste of time to worry about refuting feminist nonsense. I should have just posted a message for men and moved on.
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Bravo, let chicks bark at the moon all they want, there is nothing left to say to them, they lost their minds long ago and they can’t listen anymore even if they wanted to so the only winning move left in their rigged game is not to play.
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When women begin to “Woman Up”,
Searching for the best term to shut them up Keyster. May have to fathom the depths of my balls-hood to capture the right response to make their jaw drop and their feeble brains to blow a fuse.
Help me out here. Something to do with “freshness”, “fertility”, “femininity”, and “lost opportunities”. I am at a loss for the 3-syllables we need.
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Uncle Elmer,
Today, you are my hero. I’m suddenly getting into the mood for some Vietnamese food.
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A great article TL. For the most part very accurate. However, there is something missing and it bothers me simply because it gives a false impression, perhaps even plays down the feminist plague? The problem and destruction is not just American women or American feminists. It is global. Women in the Anglosphere and increasingly in quite a few Asian countries are almost useless as a partner of any description. Added to this problem is the increasing global awakening of men. We now have men that simply refuse to see themselves as a provider or traditional type male paying for the imagined honour of a date or a quick knee trembler. Men are now increasingly asking; what’s in this for me ? Sadly, more often than not,very little.
Further; Woman = feminist they are one and the same.
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Yes, walking away is the only sane option but don’t expect the feminists to change just because of that.
Feminism is just one group organizing to obtain what they think is their “right” to a slice of another group’s wealth. Feminism is not a few decades old, but has always been there. It just got enabled with the recent advances in technology, and motivated by rise in prosperity.
Feminism is an idea and ideas don’t die, just cease to be profitable. When the resources dry up for whatever reason, the idea will disappear.
The very same hardcore feminists who spout on-line drivel from their cozy bedrooms will be the first to seek a man to help secure a meal when things deteriorate.
And forget about daughters denouncing their mothers’ acts as immoral. That will never happen.
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“So to all you men…walk away, walk away.”
Sprint, don’t walk.
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The stats that say that the divorce rate is 50% are dead wrong!
Amoung the younger generation, the divorce rate is 70%. It means that about 70% of children will be fatherless. That’s 7 out of 10!
And that’s a MINIMUM!
What man wants that for his children?
Fortunately, there are still many women out there, outside the Western club, who will make a good wife to you and a good mother to your children.
The solution to the problem at hand is simple: breed the feminists out: do not reproduce with them. Abandon them.
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To get married is to sign over to some entitlement princess the tools with which to extort and coerce a you. You will get screwed in divorce court and all men know it. Women have only themselves to blame- after all they gloat over it. Divorce is inevitable these days. Do they think men haven’t been paying attention?
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The slaves (Men) have left the plantation (marriage). I suggest the ladies find a second job.
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As one of the few from my half of the population, I put my big-girl pants on a long time ago because I knew that’s what I needed to do. There wasn’t time for tantrums or mind games, I had a household to keep running and long stints where my husband was deployed that I needed to keep myself substantially focused on something that was a positive and beneficial use to occupy myself and my time – so I threw myself into working and keeping a tidy home that my husband always enjoyed coming home to, and I did my best to be the gentle and cheerful wife – our marriage was always wealthy in happiness right up to our last communication before his passing which I’m assuming did not change how either of us felt before he was killed, if I could have been there or even just talked to him I would have sacrificed anything in exchange) and our life together came to its end. So many things we still had planned, and years of life together that will not be…..so now, the big-girl pants remain on, because the fact remains, I’m the only one there is who will financially and in the day-to-day bear responsibility for myself in the years ahead. I doubt I will remarry, and due to that, will give up a chance to have biological children of my own – I was raised to believe that one needs to have an ongoing and marital relationship with the father for giving birth to children to be “proper” and “right”. I won’t rule out becoming a foster/adoptive parent who provides a loving home to children that truly are in desperate need of that while the reality is there simply aren’t enough places for them to go in the current state of affairs our childrens social services system with a multitude of problems on all fronts.
So while we may be few and you may not believe our assertions on their face-value, we are out there and we’re doing what we can to bring in recruits to act as reinforcements in the fight to return a hostile environment to one in which things are a bit calmer, with everyone acting a bit nicer to each other, and marriage, family, and respect for the jobs that men and women do that are different but equally important to creating the balance that’s gotten out of whack and needs to be fixed. You’re not completely alone, because we’re out there doing our part to fix things too.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Rebel. Feminism is being exported all over the world by the UN. Their goal is for every woman on the planet to become a carbon copy of western women. The only way I would marry is in a country where women have NO rights of property and no divorce. Every day that passes makes this more impossible.
“many women out there, outside the Western club, who will make a good wife “
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Good article.
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Feminism will not self-correct. The hamster simply has too strong of a pull.
The only solution is for the system to substantially fall apart. Feminism has an enormous carrying cost. When we can simply not afford all of this socialist crap (medicare, medicate, food stamps, welfare, affirmative action, draconian sexual harassment, abuse by the “family” court system, etc.) and it starts to fall apart, men who can actually do something useful (net producers) will be in the driver’s seat again.
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Agreed! The stats are baked bs. A popular white-knight site heavily pushing for men to be more gallant and romantic with women claims that divorce is down to 16%!
Different groups have different divorce rates. The more modern secular American a couple is the higher the divorce rate. My guess is that for a modern secular average mainstream American couple, the rate is more like 75%.
How many of you men will make an investment with a greater than 50% chance of failure losing at least 50-75% of your principal and earned interest but still being held to pay all taxes of even the loss? Then, along with being held accountable for 30-50% of your future income going to the same investment firm for your next 20+ years to life? That is marriage 2.0
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*Abusive – of whom? Is not Charlie the epitome of Alpha?
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In response to Rebel:
There is no way to breed the feminists out. The flaw in your logic is that the daughters of non-feminists can still become feminists. We will have to come up with a better way to rid the world of feminists than breeding. Plus, there is no way our country will survive the several generations it takes to breed a group out. I give the US 15 years tops till collapse.
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MsExceptiontotheRule-
Thank you for your support and respectable perspective.
But I’m in the camp that we can never “return” to where we were in the past. There will be no justice until the sins of the last few generations of women are visited FULLY upon the next generations of women. I do not advocate violence or abuse, but I’m not going to offer a helping hand either.
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I agree Herbal Essence. Women must be allowed to sink.
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TL, your article was excellent.
I wonder, however, if MRAs are prepared to give this idea it’s fullest expression.
Are you prepared to let affirmative action crash and burn? The civil rights crowd use the exact same techniques as the feminists – in fact, they are much more effective in their hands. .
There is the idea “men and women are equal.” There is the idea “all races are equal.” NAWALT. Not all blacks/muslims are like that. And so on, and so on, exactly the same.
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@ MsExceptiontotheRule,
Condolences for your loss. A lot of military wives still “get it,” although too many do not. I see more people who have a healthy understanding of the relationship between the sexes among the families of field-grade officers and senior Non-Coms than among younger troops, and I’m sure there are generational factors in play.
Maybe it’s because military culture is so radically different from civilian culture, but that disturbing trend has been discussed in military circles for years.
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The West and the UN are aggressively trying to export feminism around the world. Feminism is a seductive drug that many women drink and became enamored with.
Islam is thriving and spreading, and other orthodox-type religions are growing too though not as fast. The West, especially America and Great Britain, is increasingly an economic house of cards and a paper tiger with poisonous fangs. Latin America is growing. Will it eventually be taken over by feminism or will the traditional conservative manly culture prevail? Asia is growing too yet will it be seduced by feminism as there have been some inroads? Back to the middle east, even Saudi Arabia is taking steps to reform and offer women the right to vote in local elections. Where will it lead in 50 years?
Does the world need to go through its cycle of feminism as it did socialism to learn it is not the best or only way? Ironically, feminism overlaps much with socialism.
Many things happening.
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TL…I agree with it all except for the Charlie Sheen reference. I’d stand shoulder to should with Charlie Sheen any day!
On topic. Marriage is dead. Wimminz killed it. I have been calling on wimminz to ‘do the right thing’ with respect to my specific case for three years. They won’t. The evidence that I am able to present (along with many other men) is irrefutable. I have presented court documents, video, orders you name it. No young man of any intelligence at all can read the evidence I so painstakingly collected and ignore it. If he does? He deserves his fate.
On a lighter note. I did mention that I split from my fav#1 in October and fav#4 just recently. Well? I met a ‘prospective’ fav#5 just at a christmas party. Now we are in ‘getting to know you phase’. I’m sharing with her my views on western women. He comments have been that I am exactly 110% correct. She can see what I am talking about happening all around her and she can see the men have, to a large extent, quit here in Germany. It’s lovely to talk with women who listen to what you say, look around their world, and say ‘yep, that’s exactly what I see’. I had sadness at splitting with those two favs….and I have some happiness at getting to know another one. Beats being married any day of the week. I’ve experienced both.
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MsExceptiontotheRule.
Firstly, my condolences for your loss. Servicemen are the guys I respect the most. They are the guys who take the biggest chances on taking up their profession. Your husband was one of those who gave his life so others could live in freedom. At least that is what he believed and he deserves respect for dying for what he believed in. Some service wives are still good women. I hope you really are one of them.
“You’re not completely alone, because we’re out there doing our part to fix things too.”
After women failed to stop my ex in the commissioning of her crimes my proposal to women was really simple. I challenged the 300+ women on the Irish Freeman site to create a jury and a court and for me to present my evidence of the crimes of my ex. I challenged them to try my ex as ‘equal before the law’ and set the precedent of how women would like to see a MAN make remedy for committing the same crimes SHE committed.
As ever. Women failed this challenge miserably. In 6 months only three women could be found willing to sit on said jury and one of them reports she was attacked by other women. If you (or other women here) REALLY want to help us men? I invite you to post over here and point out that women are, in VAST numbers, committed crimes against men and the men have RIGHTLY had enough. http://tnsradio.ning.com/forum
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Articles such as Kay Hymowitz’s have revealed to me that many feminists are even uglier on the inside than they are on the outside.
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Dont marry, buy your home if you can, save money, always use the condom, dont donate sperm, dont go living with a “woman”, love yourself and do what you like most in life (and travel if you can). And when rats like this Kay Hymenowitz tells you to “man up”, smile at them and wave the middle finger. No shaming language will be able to buy your Freedom, once you’ve tasted it.
Man dont need to “man up“, they need to “free up“.
Free themselves from the Feminist Tiranny, of which Kay Hymenowitz is part of.
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The divorce rates average is just less than 50% nationally, but geographically it’s about 70% in Southern California and 65% in New York/New Jersey. In other words divorce rates seem to be higher in more blue/”you go grrl” areas.
What they fail to mention is that while the MARRIAGE RATE has fallen precipitiously, the divorce rate remains constant. (ie – the “damn lies” part about statistics)
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At first she was all. . .
. . .but then she got all. . .
No. Wrong. Shut up and listen: if you’re not going to remarry, let alone to a competently paternal man, and thereby provide these poor unfortunates with the kind of father figure that children need as a constant and reliable presence in their lives in order to develop properly, then you should not adopt or foster ITFP.
This is how deep the rabbit hole goes, folks. Even people like this, who ostensibly believe they support us, have been poisoned to the core by the anti-father agenda. She thinks she’ll be “helping” these children by raising them in a single-mother home. But we know better. The research is clear. To deprive children of a involved, reliable paternal presence is to cripple their development.
So if you’re not going to remarry, and to a competently paternal man, then you have no business pretending to “raise” children. The only thing you’ll be raising is your vanity.
Really? Doing. . .what, exactly? Because all I see you doing in this post is trying to suck us right back into the current system of male exploitation for female benefit.
What, exactly, are you actually doing that is more than the basic, fundamental, lowest-common-denominator minimum we expect of any rational adult?
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@HADAMAR,
Breeding feminists out will be easy if men make it known that their intent is to do just that: outbreeding.
Even the daughters of feminists will be reluctant to produce kids if they know that they will always be alone to raise them.
Especially if the mood is the elimination of Western women.
Very few “white” womyn will feel safe.
When they talk about the elimination of men, they mean what they say. When men will speak of the elimination of women, women will know it’s true. How can they fight us then?
If we set our minds to it, I’m sure we can make it happen.
Our grandsons will thank us profusely.
And doing things this way may save Western civilization.
This is a very worthwhile objective, IMO.
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Damn straight that is a minimum. That is 70% of the children born to a married couple in the first place.
Awesome article. I would love to read Kay’s reply to an article like that.
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David & ed
“This article desperately needs proofreading. It’s full of spelling errors.
[ed: most of the are fixed. please point out any remaining ones you find.]”
Accepting responsibility for errors and human mistakes is a sign of maturity. I wish more men and a LOT more women could do that.
I up-checked that entry. I was astonished that so few did.
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@Ryu
As a black MRA, I’m all for it. Let affirmative action die. Let’s base it off merit. Those who can cut it will cut it. Those who can’t won’t. If I don’t cut the mustard, I don’t eat. My clients could care less about my skin color, they care more about my prices, customer service and my ability to do what I say I’m going to do. Which is the way it should be.
The problem arises when people say because of skin color/gender you shouldn’t even be allowed on the field. That’s wrong. We fixed that. We don’t have to go any further with quotas and bs diversity hires. Just hire the best man for the job. And then do the damn job.
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I wrote re : “strong women”
You ladies just don’t get it. We want a woman, not a co-worker. Your “strength” and “success” don’t intimidate us; it bores the crap out of us.
When a man comes home from work he wants a feminine woman to wash the stain of trying to eke out a living in a hostile world off his barbarian ass. That’s all he wants
In two hours got 33 upvotes. I hit a raw nerve.
Based on this I commence my new gender-porn essay, complete with movie and sitcom references, for submission to Atlantic magazine.
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“Your daughters may live to see their children, your granddaughters, living in squalor, may live to feel that agonizing despair that parents feel when they cannot provide for their children. And feeling that agonizing despair, those future women will think back and they will damn you. ”
No they won’t, they’re women. They’ll just blame men.
They’re oppressed remember? They could take a huge dump in the middle of the street and they wouldn’t be responsible for it, you would. It’s all you. Because they live in the patriarcheee.
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Everyone here hates you, Hymowitz. Everyone everywhere hates you. Your opinions are bullshit and are the last desperate self-defence of a dessicated, past-it hateful shell of an ugly woman, hideous within and without. Your life, your ‘achievements’, your very essence is worthless.
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I used to think, Bishes be crazy….
But then I realized…
Bishes just be plain retarded, not crazy.
Please my fellow spearheaders, let us not mistake Feminism’s idiocy with insanity, it’s a fine line between the two, but feminists are on the retard side, not the crazy side.
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I see little need to make much of a fuss over this Kay Dimowitz.
Sometimes a simple “Shut up cunt!” is all that’s needed.
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Of all the prophets, gurus of all sorts and whatnots, Geoge Carlin was the one who knew best how to deal with the situation:
*Pull away from this culture, not caring oubout the outcome.
*Become a spectator.
*It’s a big parade, a freak show and you occupy the front row seat.
*Detach yourself emotionally: this way there will be no anger.
*Society is a very interesting show to watch… from a detached perspective
Here it is from the horse’s mouth:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f0GStBCeUU
There is more wisdom in his few words than in most books.
Please listen to him and get enlightened. Follow his advise and your life can be pretty much hasslefree.
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A rude, obnoxious and confrontational woman is not a strong woman – she’s just rude, obnoxious, confrontational and repulsive.
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Surrogacy is the best thing that ever happened to men. If you are a man and you want a child, look at the stats above. Do you want that child traumatized their entire life long by divorce?
Then go in India and hire a surrogate.
The trauma of divorce is real and permanent. Don’t do it to your children:
Quote from Sean Goldmas judge regarding the ongoing litigation from his now dead ex-wifes parents regarding their continued emotional abuse of Seans son.
http://jeannehannah.typepad.com/blog_jeanne_hannah_traver/2011/03/david-goldman-prevails-in-grandparenting-time-action.html?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=244813&utm_campaign=0
From mens Reddit, a nice read. The judge is giving true justice, I do not believe he would be saying this of an American woman in the same situation, judges are mangina’s.
And I understand that Brazil has accepted Parental Alienation as being real and we have not. We are officially a third world nation next to Brazil.
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David F. March 7, 2011 at 09:04
Words communicate thoughts. If you understood the thoughts, who gives a crap how the words are spelled.
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And while lecturing us on manning up or how violent we are, the young woman are becoming like charcters from “A clockwork orange”:
And of course the single mom is not blamed, blamed is the father, who, more likely than not, was not allowed by the mother to father his daughter:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363145/Bad-girls-An-investigation-new-breed-young-women-bit-alienated-violent-brutally-sexualised-worst-male-yob.html#
You want a daughter like this? Procreate with a western woman, you have a 75% chance, your odds are good.
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The American Man, according to Feminism:
“He’s a rapist. He’s a pervert. He’s a dominating patriarch. He’s intolerant. He’s a caveman. He’s superfluous as a father. He’s only good for his money. He’s….OMG why won’t he marry us?”
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“…feminist viral infection of their mothers,…”
Rather, it more resembles heroin in its effects both externally and deep within to the soul.
Here is a young woman. (half scrolll)
http://www.weirdpalace.com/beauty-destroyed-by-drugs/
In their own reflections feminists see only as they once were, we see them now as they have become.
Their daughters and granddaughters may indeed one day walk away but for many I suspect, not before they first step silently up the stairs, pillow in hand.
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There are plenty of men who make good fathers, but those are not the ones that women are choosing. Women basically want their poor choices funded by the men they are rejecting.
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I’m certainly walking away. Two and a half years now. Don’t want one, don’t need one. Why would I want someone to disrupt my wonderfully peaceful life?
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They say… “what about society and children.”
Classic femmy MANipulation tactics.
Civilization = Man.
Society = Woman.
Children = Wimminz Pawns in service of Society (Wimminz).
Same old same old.
Again, the fems are really turning up the volume on da menz at the moment. Its quite obvious what is happening.
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@Uncle Elmer
A bit late in the thread maybe, but . . .
Dumb F’n Cunt comes immediately to mind . . .
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That’s workable 3D.
But I realize men won’t drop a bomb on women as it tends to cause them make a big shreiking scene, so we tend to shut our mouths when confronted by their BS.
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@ Uncle Elmer.
All depends on your tone of voice.
I often used “Stunning absolutely stunning” said with a non plussed borderline sarcastic tone of voice to any feminist crap being anounced in my workplace.
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Ha! Going on with the above insights, the woman would blame men for xyz and not building a public restroom for her when and where she wanted it. Yeah, makes sense if we are assessing either young spoiled children or lunatics…Hey, wait a minute I think I am on to something about the nature of women… You know, I think that’s it: women are spoiled emotionally unbalanced children!
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“These boots are
made for walkin’
and that’s just
what they’ll do …”
MGTOW — soon to be the road well traveled?
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Something similar was written at the Dilbert blog. Reddit/MR had a campaign over the last days to get Dilbert author Scott Adams to write an article about men’s rights. He did, but he took it down almost immediately because it was full of hate against both men and women.
Here’s a quote from his piece:
“How many times do we men suppress our natural instincts for sex and aggression just to get something better in the long run? It’s called a strategy.”
This is exactly what men are doing. We will no longer pander to women at our own expense, only to be rewarded with divorce, poverty, inability to see our children, and early death.
It is Scott who is a slave to his natural instincts to do whatever it takes to get a little sex.
Full article reposted at Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/fzfju/dilbert_author_deletes_his_get_over_it_post_but/
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Why do the girls need their fathers? So they don’ turn into whores:
http://www.hotsvideos.com/video/1524/Dad-Catches-Daughter-Doing-Strip-Tease?utm_source=wahoha.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wahoha
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She just won’t shut up :
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-28/why-are-men-angry-manning-up-author-kay-hymowitz-explains/
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She’s trying to catch up with Susan Reimer.
http://www.ejfi.org/Civilization/Civilization-11.htm#horror
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Another good way to forget about the fembots is to take up something challenging – like learning an instrument or a foreign language. It will take up so much of your time and creativity – you won’t even remember that you had forgotten about them. My dream is to learn an instrument well enough (not good enough yet!) to join a small men’s ensemble and perform folk music from all over the world -especially poetry set to music (Russian, Greek, Spanish, Turkish, Persian).
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So long as what is ritin is ledgible I ah-gree hole-hartedly.
Doesn’t it piss you whenever somebody acts like they’ve invalidated an argument by pointing out minor grammatical errors?
Granted there ARE loads of folks out there so illiterate that it actually taxes their brains to spell THREE LETTER WORDS!! (The number 2 in place of ‘too’ or the letter C in place of ‘see’.)
Shit like that pisses me off a lot too.
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Still laughing 5 minutes after reading this:
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Maybe in the future we will all live in flying cars and zip between skyscrapers full of techno-wonders. Not likely. More likely we’ll live in a nation like Brazil, with a
few ultra-rich living behind walls to protect them from the masses of the slums.
And so many of those daughters, living in the marriage-averse society which you are bequeathing them, will not be married, will not have your high-end jobs (which long since disappeared), will not have any money bequeathed from you (since you will have long since
squandered it on trips to Italy and Thailand to “find your bliss”).
Your daughters may live to see their children, your granddaughters, living in squalor, may live to feel that agonizing despair that parents feel when they cannot provide for their children. And feeling that agonizing despair,
those future women will think back and they will damn you.
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@SD. Notice how they are already no longer accepting comments on the ‘girl yobs’ article..
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She is selling her book. And the fact that women are BUYING it tells young men everything they need to know about the wimminz.
The tide has turned. I can see the backlash coming. It’s gonna get nasty round these here parts!
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It’s the gender-porn industry Peter.
Possible for some man with a strong stomach to adopt a female pen-name and crank out this junk for big money.
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They don’t even need a female pen name, Uncle Elmer – Michael Kimmel, Guy Garcia, and Dan Abrams are all selling man-bashing quite well under their own names.
It’s kind of funny that Hymowitz’s book bitching men into manning up is coming out at almost the same time as Abrams’s book saying that men need to man down.
Instead of flipping a coin to see which direction of bitching to follow, I think I will choose “none of the above” and man out.
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…so we can take his money.
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Ha ha ha ha…man out. I love it.
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“Man Out”, I like that. It ties in with your classic response: “No. Now shut-up and go away” when commanded by women to ‘man-up’ using their shaming language.
Men, the slaves, are now leaving the 100% women-owned plantation (stolen with the help of government from men) built with men’s labor and sweat.
Guys, we are getting there. A mass awakening is occurring among men. Soon, we will be free from the brainwashed belief that it is our duty to provide endless chivalry to women and society. Funny, isn’t it that feminism has been good for one thing.
One can taste the freedom!
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There are some devastatingly good commentators in the manosphere, especially at The Spearhead.
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The article reflects my own experience with sisters, aunts, female school peers. What got me out the door was the strong sense that they, Western women, don’t want us. I belonged to a church where the women, who made up about 75% or more, were disgusting manhaters. When I brought this up every now and then I was ignored. After a long time, it dawned on me that they knew very well what they were doing, and wanted me to leave. Stupid me had thought: “Boy, when I leave they’ll be so sad, and realize how terrible they have been.”
When I left after about 2 years (yes, that long!), I didn’t get one single phone call.
Basically, Western women don’t want men. If they see a man stupid enough to think of marriage, they’ll nab him and use him, then take him for alimony and child support and send him on his dreadful way. It’s like tourists wandering into the bad side of town. The gang members all look at each other with a look of disbelief (“Are they really that stupid? This must be our lucky day!”), then walk over, shake down the stupid folks, and send them on their way. All Western women’s talk about marriage and wanting “real men” is just a way to capture these manginas, these three-legged dogs willing to get married. These women are just looking to shake down a stupid man.
One thing MRM men don’t always get: Western women don’t want us. Only an idiot would stay rather than flee. Getting out is a survival tactic. Staying is suicide.
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If you don’t go in you do not have to worry about getting out. Going into a relationship whether marriage or casual sex is getting to be as risky for a man as sticking an arm into a piranha tank. IMHO, Western Women (WW) want us on their terms arrogantly and selfishly assuming that they only know how to define the roles of a relationship and what a relationship is all about. Every wife knows that the house that she and her husband are buying together is really her house and not his too. Same reality with the children even if mothers abuse and murder children at a higher rate than fathers.
You are correct that they do not want us as the men we are. WW want something wished for on their shopping list. Lots of Cinderellas need to grow up. Until WW do grow up, MGTOW and ghost!
BOYCOTT CHIVALRY
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@fmz
And by ‘civilization’ they don’t mean acknowledging the good, constructive things men have done throughout history…
…but rather, the voluntary bending over to be metaphorically sodomized and exploited by the feminist collective.
Screw you, bitches. We’re walking away and not looking back.
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But it goes further. Women truley believe that, because they have a uterus and because our society, which is them as they are the majority of voters, allowed them to literally be god.
They are the only humans we allow to kill without consequence. To kill the un-born and recently born, or male born, or maybe I was in a bad day….born.
Because of this they feel that they are gods. Our society is in no way new or exceptional. Throughout history some humans felt they were gods. Catholics (I’m Catholic and this is my opinion) believe god talks to the Pope, making him almost….closer to….god. And since he speaks for god, he may as well be god.
Using the same logic that infected Marger Sanger and Hitler, they think they are the gatekeepers of future society.
If you read their writting, which is unstomachable, you will understand that they feel they are responsible for breeding the new master race.
This race will be entirely female. With women having a veto over any male birth, growth and production….men are slaves.
So, to expect them to thank the slaves is ridiculous. They don’t want us, they use us. It’s different. They want us….to shut up and do all the work.
I believe the Kimmels et al of the world think they can control these females and that is why they pander to them.
But make no mistakes. The feminists announced these things openly 40 years ago and everyone thought it was a joke.
Look at our society….I’m not laughing.
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The worst thing about this wretched cunt is that after her last pathetic screed in 2008, she ‘apologised’ to all the ‘angry young men’ and called herself chastened. A kind of ‘I’m sorry.. you’re so stupid’ for adults. So her idea of making things right, and showing how ‘chastened’ she is, is to whine more and more, louder and louder, about the same tired bullshit.
Fuck off and die, Hymowitz.
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Aharon-”Guys, we are getting there. A mass awakening is occurring among men. Soon, we will be free from the brainwashed belief that it is our duty to provide endless chivalry to women and society. Funny, isn’t it that feminism has been good for one thing.
One can taste the freedom!”
Zed has a wonderful phrase that “You can’t turn a pickle back into a cucumber.” Once men disconnect, there is no reconnecting. Even if the misandry bubble pops and most of what we want comes to pass, I’ll still never see women in the way i did before I woke up. And for as long as I walk the earth, I will be telling men the truth.
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Happy Warm Thoughts are very nice, but care to share any concrete proof?
Last time I looked a few months ago, California Feminists elected Jerry Brown.
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We are men and do not move like women. Women are herd animals and we are more like solitary hunting cats. Men will not join hands and march in the streets like women and setup millions of silly support groups. The MM growth in numbers and power cannot be measured by the usual standards.
As men individually decide to ghost, MGTOW, and not get married that is something when by total numbers it is occurring among 25% of the men in the bachelor age group. That number is growing. Many older men, having been enslaved, do not want to get re-married. Men are realizing we don’t have to be defined by being providers, protectors, and chivalry. Statistical numbers needed? Anecdotal evidence and limited reports all around though no, not a specific report on freedom. Just an observation of trends, history, and base facts.
The ability to fund and keep a large bloated government is starting to implode now since there simply isn’t money available among the people to steal and borrowing has already passed insanity levels.
Freedom is not tomorrow and no one said it is. Be patient. It is coming. Believe what you will of course.
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The 2010 US Census is reporting preliminarily that marriages between American men and foreign-born women is the only US marriage demographic that has been increasing, now for the third straight census decade. Also, for the first time, the majority of children born under the age of 3, is to a couple where both parents aren’t native-born.
Sounds like the real men are already doing quite a bit of ‘manning up’ and looking for the real women—- outside the Anglosphere!
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Abresh – You’re a fucking moron.
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It seems the women have a great deal more at stake in preserving Western civilization than men do. Western civilization has pampered women, protecting them from the harsh realities of the world while at the same time “empowering” them to do any darn thing they like. I would go as far as to say that no group of people who have ever walked the Earth (to the extent that a Western woman ever deigns to actually walk!) have had it as good as Western women. They live lives of entitlement and comfort, ease and safety. They don’t work very hard and they consume much. They are the law’s favorite, as if they were a discriminated against group, when they actually have things much, much better than men. They are favored by both sides of the established debate (our MRA side is still out of the mainstream), the feminist and the chivalrist-traditionalist. They have all the rights of men, in areas where they used to have fewer, plus all of their old advantages over men. They have more choice, more freedom and more licence than men do. They live as well, or even better, than aristocrats or even royalty did, not so long ago.
Given all that, why aren’t they the ones making the sacrifices necessary to keep Western civilization going? Personally, I believe the existential threat to our civilization is overstated, but, if I am wrong and Kay is right, if we need marriage to retain our culture, why aren’t women doing the work needed to make marriage attractive to men? Most women crave marriage, not men; you never see men’s magazines with articles about “how to make HER commit!” Women in general want to be married and so called traditionalist women like Kay say that marriage is a requirement for our society. But what are they doing to make marriage a reasonable deal for men? Nothing. Instead, they call us names and try to shame us for shunning it. Yeah, that’ll work!
If I had to, I could live in an Islamic republic or monarchy. I don’t want to, and I don’t think that’s a realistic possibility (it seems to me we are interfering a lot more in Islamic countries than Muslims are interfering in ours)–but leave that aside. I COULD do it. Could most Western women? I doubt it. So, because they have more at stake in preserving marriage and our civilization, they need to “woman up.”
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There is no meaning of talking about the marriage and the family foundation with feminist women. They cannot do any thing for the society. Because of they are not really feminine. Real masculine men and real feminine women can only create a successful society.
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Trenchmouth—LOL now there’s a name that actually fits!
However, my last trip outside the Anglosphere has led me to believe that I’m hardly going to die alone, bitter, and hating women. The census statistics show, on the contrary, that it’s the Amerobitch who’s heading for the Dustbin of History.
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Trench mouth above. Sewer gash below.
And regarding loneliness… guess who are the loneliest men?
Married men.
They’re cut off from their hobbies and buddies. They’re steered away from financial and time autonomy.
That’s too high a price for a piece of legal contract vagina.
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Wrong. Proof: Russian Revolution. French Revolution. American Revolution. Egypt. Libya. Need more?
Not, if you give MM convenient excuses NOT to act – like you did above.
This stat is worthless. You don’t including how many males STILL pay child support even though unmarried,
Says you. My penis is still growing. I also pee gold nuggets. Until you quit fantasizing, real work can not be accomplished. You’ll only convince childish 20 year-olds who THRIVE on happy thoughts. And downvoting truth.
Good luck with that kind of soldier.
You say above men are not herd animals. Perhaps.
Proving a negative is a bore. BUT, what IS true is men do NOT base their decisions mainly on emotion – LIKE women. Men base their decisions on COLD HARD FACT.
At least the Men I know did. Men like my father. Today’s boychild is the one you can dupe with feelgood rhetoric.
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What Trenchmouth is saying, basically, is that we’ll all starve to death if we don’t take a nice, big bite of her sh!t sandwich.
I’ll pass. Thanks anyway. Good luck peddlin’ it somewhere else.
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A giant Charlie Sheen.
Its funny because its true.
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Nice article but don’t be hating on Charlie Sheen. He may have his faults but he’s in the same boat as the rest of us with women using his kids to get at him and doing everything they can to smear his name. I have no doubt that his crazy ex was the abuser in that relationship.
We can learn something from Sheen.
The Men’s Movement can use some of that tiger blood.
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Kay just doesn’t get it. I’m not married. I have a nice job, 401 k, don’t play video games all day, am well read, have 2 degrees, blah blah blah. All that shit.
But according to Kay, I’m a man-child because I’m not married and am not interested in getting married and having kids and being whatever it is she imagines *real* men do.
Furthermore, what exactly does she want men to do? She never says. I imagine it’s some contradictory thing like be Don Draper but somehow be hip to women’s interests instead of drinking and getting laid. Like I said, Kay doesn’t get it. Men have their own needs. What we like might not be the same as what haggard, middle-aged opinion writers want us to want. (Hello!)
It’s funny. The women’s right movement made a huge deal about giving women choices, specifically the right to have a job/career and not just become a mother. Doesn’t this work both ways? Shouldn’t Kay be praising men like me for using the new liberation to live the way we want to?
The djinni’s out of the bottle Kay. Liberation means liberation for everyone.
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Trenchmouth:
I think you’re the one whose bitterness is showing as the reality of the situation you’ve found yourself in is starting to soak into your brain. The bold move is to turn one’s back on the dead-end of American relationships. The cowardly thing is to cave in and sacrifice to it, like you did.
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NoDoot:
On top of that, whenever men do what Kay and other Anglobitches seem to think ‘real men’ do— these same women suddenly have no use for them and divorce/dump them in favor of some lout. American relationships are really about nothing to these women but a power play and putting down the male.
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Trenchmouth,
You are a feminist woman posting in drag trying to manipulate us by pretending to be a fellow male. Your game doesn’t work here. Even if a male mangina speaks like you it doesn’t work here. Go take some midol and join a women’s support group that will agree with your stupidity.
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Bitches always run home to MODDY.
Both female and MALE bitches.
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I think it was Glenn Sacks who had a handy catch-phrase to the effect that you knew whenever someone was urging a man to man-up/act-like-a-real-man/whatever it wasn’t because they had the man’s best interests in mind.
What they fail to ever get around to considering is that such urging wouldn’t be needed in the first place if the two sets of interests weren’t now largely orthogonal on so many counts.
From the standpoint of animal biology, human females get more out of their males than any other females on the planet by some huge amount. But because their HowMuch? meters seem to be stuck on MORE, this simple fact and its most basic implications totally escapes them.
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Who is John Galt?
Great article; my sentiments exactly.
I find quite a bit of irony in the fact that the most relevant moral philosophy I seem to be applying to the women is the philosophy of a woman.
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FWIW, C-SPAN-2/Book-TV is giving Hymowitz an hour to talk about her book — it’s in the listings as running tonight @11PM EST. They usually re-run these things at least once, and I think they’re also available at their website after they air.
One possible implication of her thesis which I think she may have over-looked goes something like this: If girls/women mature so much faster than boys/men, then it’s taken me until well into middle age to be on the same level as your typical gal half my age (approximately), so is Hymowitz saying that’s the perfect way to pair everyone up? `Cause trying to reform younger guys is clearly hopeless, guys being hopeless in general, so how vocal is she willing to be in urging younger women to learn to go for older (to them) guys, because that’s the best adaptation they can make to the current situation?
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“What steps are you taking”?
“Effin’ big ones, away from you”
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Trenchmouth is a girl.
Only a girl takes personal experience and amplifies it into a general context in a debate.
“I’m not suffering under marriage, that means nobody else is!”
PATHETIC!!!
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“Acksiom
Really? Doing. . .what, exactly? Because all I see you doing in this post is trying to suck us right back into the current system of male exploitation for female benefit.”
…Technically since I’m independently supporting myself on what I make – yes I’m absolutely certain that I am the exception (one of them at least) to the rule about the attitude a majority of women in the world have that causes them to feel entitled to things that they did not earn by their contributions to their marriage relationships nor have they worked hard to earn respect for dedication and competency in the workplace…
But when it comes to adopting children; is it really better to let a kid spend their childhood living in a group home facility that basically puts them out on the street when they’re 18? I’m not even certain that I’d want to be a single mother to an adopted child, I know I don’t want to give birth to a child and raise them alone. While I cannot say what the future may hold for me whether it be remarrying, providing a foster home where the kids weren’t being abused or killed by the adult(s) in charge, etc. I’m not going to agree that taking in a kid as a single parent is just as bad as letting them rot in the social services system until they’re adults, many of whom wind up in jail, so essentially they go from one system to another. Most never had a chance in the first place, but sue me for feeling like I could at least temporarily provide a home where they weren’t getting beaten and ignored.
I know my situation has permitted me to step back and realize there were problems in the attempts at logic by just about all of the women around me in college, in day-to-day life, at work, and socially – I was taught growing up that I shouldn’t feel entitled to anything that I hadn’t honestly earned. And earning something doesn’t = showing up and looking pretty or because you’ve married someone.
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Dear Featured Guest,
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
Couldn’t have put it better myself!
Know yourself, and know your enemy, in a hundred battles you will win a hundred victories!
The Chinese military strategist and philosopher Sun Tzu never spoke truer words than when he spoke those words, and their powerful applicability for today’s world, more than 2500 years later!
You’re quite right! This Kay Hymoswitz is a woman who is past her time, fighting men, and fighting a war against them, which should never have been fought in the first place!
The daughters and nieces of this repellent band of losers, sociopaths, and power mad cranks characteristic of ‘modern women’ like her are the ones who will indeed curse her and her sisterhood from hell, and they are going to bear the worst costs of feminist ugliness, paranoia, and demented egalitarianism, and it won’t be a pretty sight!
Men will go our own way, and we will see who will win in the end. Nature, after all, is on our side!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!
David K. Meller
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Kay, sweetie, you better hope that we men DON’T “man up” (in your words) i.e. reclaim our manhood, any more than we are already doing here without the likes of you and the other disreputable bitches (my apologies to female dogs) of the sisterhood from hell! If the comments from most of the real men on the-Spearhead.com on this article are any indication, and I think that they were mostly UNDERSTATING their contempt and loathing of you modern women here;if we men continue to “man up”, in your words, there will be no place for the likes of you in the world except on street corners with little tin cups!
Honeylove, we men are NOT intimidated by so-called “strong women”, we are DISGUSTED by you all!! You noisy, stupid and irritating women (without the aid of renegade ‘mangina’ governments) couldn’t even intimidate mice! You all puff yourselves up, deluding yourselves that you are “equal” to men, when everything you do, and you CAN do, is only the result of endless hobbling of men by feminist “equal opportunity” rules, and equally endless preferential hiring, evaluation, and promotion policies, enforced by governments that castrate men (to weaken resistance?) and defeminzes and corrupts women, in their pursuit of the interests of a shadowy and sinister ‘New World Order’ which is already turning our world into a giant network of corporatist/socialistic slave-labor compounds and where the useless and worthless lives of women (especially entitled, spoiled, narcissistic princesses like you and yours) will be the last thing on anybody’s minds!
Men intimidated by feminasties–like you?? LOL!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
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