In a failed attempt to rescue a Dutch national working in Libya, the Dutch sent three marines, including at least one women, in a lynx helicopter with a good deal of ammunition and weaponry to pick up the man near Sirte. Two of the marines, one man and one woman, were displayed on Libyan state TV. The man’s uniform indicates that he was the pilot, so it is likely that the female was sent along to “man” the guns, which are all now in Libyan hands, and do not appear to have been fired once.
The helicopter was easily captured by a Kadafi loyalist militia with nothing more than warning shots. In the meanwhile British and German special forces have successfully carried out rescue missions of their own.
Libyan state TV is using the marines, helicopter and armament as propaganda to suggest that the ongoing revolution is tied to foreign intervention.
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Female marines = waste of space and resources.
This is what you get by pandering to the ‘me too’ whims of feminists and women.
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Dutch (not to be confused with Pennsylvania Dutch who actually were Germans abbreviated “Deutschland”) once travelled to the New World and founded New Amsterdam now called New York. Several years ago it was reported that to provide unisex soldiers male Dutch soldiers were allowed to wear hairnets so they would blend with women,
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Female marines? What is the world coming to?
The Royal Marines of my home, Britain, do not accept women into their ranks. I imagine they desire to remain a serious military organization.
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I still think there is a legitimate role for women in combat: on the very front of the battle lines, as extra padding to supplement bulletproof vests..
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Two out of the three captured marines were likely women.
I agree with most of your conclusions. However, they may have been given rules of engagement that prohibited them from firing their weapons, as insane as that sounds.
There is no coincidence in politics, and this entire episode reminds me of the CIA’s adventures in Central America in the 70′s and 80′s. I cannot believe that there is this many protests in the Middle East by chance.
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“Female Marine” is a contradiction in terms. Marine infantry are assault troops, they break things and kill people, with any weapon available. Women don’t qualify, not even if they take enough T injections to stop menstruation.
Feminizing the military is a good way to lose wars.
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It is possible that this operation was not designed to succeed.
Perhaps Qaddafi is holding this team to draw a larger rescue effort. Or, Holland knew that the op would fail and has calculated the outcome already.
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Too bad a dozen Swedish female marines (if there are any in that feminist Nazi-land) were not sent and captured. The Libyans could retrain them as masseuses.
I’m all for all female combat military units. Maybe there should even be an affirmative action program drafting and placing only women into combat arms so they can do the fighting and dieing. Men can stay home nice and safe, develop our careers, eat pizza, and watch science fiction films. Cool.
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Captured “Dutch Imperialists”?
It’s all out in the open now.
The Netherlands wants to take over Libya for their oil, no doubt.
Part of the strategy of sending women in might have been thinking Libyan soldiers wouldn’t kill them or treat them harshly; that it would not be seen as an offensive act of war, because for that they would have sent in men.
They were exploiting the male sense of chivalry and protection of women, by risking sending women on such a mission.
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The wildfire spreading throughout the Arab world could ignite the third world war.
Maybe we should encourage women to increase their participation in conflicts: the nation of women must show the example, it’s about time women did the dying in wars. I am all for equality.
Perhaps men could stay home and live the hellish life that wives had in times of conflicts.
Sarc.: off.
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This notion that exceptions prove the rule is a straw man argument designed to distract from the issue in question, which is state-enforced affirmative action that flies in the face of facts, experience and rationality. No, women are not suited to the hard task of carrying weapons into the battlezone with the intent of killing people. Just because a few women are, IMO, deranged enough to be able to do that still ignores the fact that Feminists think ALL women should have the right to do that.
What results is a gradual lack of motivation in the men who are willing and able to do these tasks. The reason why communism, socialism and feminism are incentive-killing failed philosophies the world over, the choice of dictators and tyrants.
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Thank God now im sure i was not wrong! English is not my first language, and i always thought that “woman” was singular and “women” was plural, but in the past few months, by always reading “women” instead of “woman”, i thought that it was also correct to use “women” instead of “woman”…
Anyway, off topics aside, i have a question: didnt the WHOLE OF HOLLAND had 3 MALE marines ?
I dont believe that FEMALE marine was the “best of the best” of the dutch marines. The dutch politicians probably thought that the 3 were going on an easy mission, so they sent the female for grrl-power-propaganda purposes. They got it wrong, and now the 3 captured are making the Dutch look like dumbasses.
Vagina-propaganda gone wrong, im loving it!
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When I read here about how everyone needs to be considered on an individual basis and some women would make great marines and some men not etc I am hearing the NAWALT line. Sure, it is true that a few women would make good marines yet women usually add an unreliable and high-maintenance layer of complexity onto the military. There is nothing wrong with profiling and speaking in generalities about a group if the facts are true of the group as a whole. Women are in general far more trouble than they are worth in the military.
We all know about false-rape, made-up workplace sexual harassment claims, the Family Court false claim cases by women of DV, etc etc. Now imagine, women in combat. Already there is a big problem with women in the service suddenly getting pregnant when ordered to ship out to even a safe overseas base. Imagine how many women in combat would seduce a young male, get pregnant to be shipped home, and then blame the male with a bs rape charge. Sure, NAWALT yet far too many women are just like that!
I could care-less about women getting killed in combat simply because they are female. As an MRA, I do care about the high number of innocent men who will be sent to military prison.
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”I do know a few women who would make excellent marines. The majority of the men I know would most definitely not make an acceptable marine.
Women’s involvement in anything should be the same as men’s. Determined on a case-by-case basis with individual merit rather than a false sense of equality.
There are women out there who can do everything a man can do, they’re just nowhere near as common as the “grrl power” propaganda wants to make us think they are.
Also, every one of them is as quick to laugh at “empowerment” as I am. They recognize that power is earned and anyone who gives it to you is doing you a great disservice.
It should be noted, before anyone starts trying to dispute this, that they make up only around 1% of the women I know. I’m not saying that your average woman can fill a man’s role, but dismissing them based on their sex without taking personal merit in top account is every bit as wrong as those people who say a man doesn’t make as good a parent as a woman.”
Nonsense, firstly I doubt you actually know any women who would make ”excellent marines”. I might just about accept the notion that you perhaps know a single woman who could just about scrape by as a barely acceptable marine, but an excellent one? A better than most of the male marines one? Come on.
Secondly, it doesn’t matter if a handful of women out of thousands could make almost mediocre marines, the question is; is involving them in the service worth the additional hassle? Would these couple of women make up for all the aggravation they will inevitably cause? No, it is DEFINATELY not worth it on aggregate, the only reason to have them in would be as a kind of politeness, to humour them, but they have all kinds of detrimental affects on morale, prestige, and esprit de corps. If you were getting excellent marines in return it might be worth the effort, but you wont be, you’ll be getting barely passable ones.
Females have absolutely no business playing at being marines, period, no exceptions.
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“I do know a few women who would make excellent marines. The majority of the men I know would most definitely not make an acceptable marine.”
I do know a few minors that will make excellent voters. The majority of adults I know don’t.
I know many boys that will be able to hold their drinks, I know many women who don’t.
And so on.
“Women’s involvement in anything should be the same as men’s. Determined on a case-by-case basis with individual merit rather than a false sense of equality.”
Only if these are individuals doing their own individual jobs. Once in a group of supposed equals, any characteristics that leads to the differentiation of some with respect to others must be avoided in order to keep the group unity and sanity.
Wishing away sexual differences because a woman in a group can do the same things as a man in that group, doesn’t make it go away.
“It should be noted, before anyone starts trying to dispute this, that they make up only around 1% of the women I know. I’m not saying that your average woman can fill a man’s role, but dismissing them based on their sex without taking personal merit in top account is every bit as wrong as those people who say a man doesn’t make as good a parent as a woman.”
A man doesn’t make as good a mother as a woman, a woman doesn’t make as good a father as a man. So you are arguing from a position that in itself is pointless, never mind the “exactly as wrong” part.
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Women should be judged EQUAL to men and not given any special treatment as a select group. Women were never blocked from persuing anything a man did, aside from obvious physical differences…until now where “gender normalization” was introduced so women could “pass” physical requirements.
They should not be hired or promoted to meet EEOC quotas either, but they regularily are BECAUSE they’re female.
Let them stand and be judged on their own merits equal to men though, and as a group they’ll fail. And feminists know it. Some might argue that even with the playing field tilted in their favor the last 30 years, they already have. But then, that’s REALLY because a “covert” patriarchal system persists to oppress them.
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I was a U.S. Marine for ten years. I say we treat the Marines just like the way the feminists want the boardrooms, STEM occupations, etc… We enforce 50% women in front line combat duty assignments. If the casualties level is higher for men, we immediately place more women in the most dangerous areas till we have “parity”. You want equality, you got it.
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Doh! Didn’t they supply the woman with a big enough truck and a belt fed weapon? I’ve heard that does wonders.
Maybe she forgot to whoop with glee!
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Sorry ladies- you’re in deep shit if you think arab countries give a damn about your PC feminist crap. Woman only kill men effortlessly on TV- and war aint no TV show.
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Just a reminder: women are frequently acknowledged when they do something ‘ordinary’ men do on a daily basis. For example; female plumber gets written up in the paper; female electrician gets tv coverage; etc. When a woman does it then it’s special, right?
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I wonder how much the anti Islam/Arab sentiment in Europe is playing into this? It does seem strange that so many countries and ethnic groups are rising up at the same time in this mass….I don’t know what to call it. Lybia is not Egypt. They are polar opposites in so many ways. Many think of the middle east as a unified bloc but it isn’t. Most of them barely tolerate each other and they don’t see themselves as the same. Most Arabs called lebanese men fags and drool of lebanese women, while persians aren’t arabs they are persians and if you have known some persians they will make that clear to you. Most don’t even like Saudis, they only like Arabia because of mecca and think most saudis are spoiled little brats. I could go on and on but the fact is they have very little in common with each other and usually only work together for mutual benefit….like exploiting oil prices or destroying Israel….
So why is this happening the way it is? It’s spreading like wildfire but it seems to be coming from completely different combustion sources. Some commentors point to the internet and how we are more connected than ever before and I can see that but….still, it is kinda baffling.
I do know that many see sending women soldiers into mecca and kuwait as a grave violation, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets some support with this type of propaganda and it is pretty fuckin stupid for the government to do such a thing. All it does is twist up western resentment in the eyes of the locals. From their point of view it isn’t just the mean girls who scorned them sexually and then kicked them in the balls, no it is those same girls coming back a few years after HS and blowing up their kids….
When I try to put myself in their shoes, well I can completely understand. Take a sexually repressed culture where women have all the real social and sexual control and then put American and Western television and media in their face all the time and then send some tight lil teen girls to kill their children….gee, how could that ever go wrong. It is like mass cock teasing with 50. cals and bunker busters.
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Just wondering…
Any reports on whether she asked her captors to “suck her dick”, while being brutally interogated? Or does that kind of thing just happen in movies glorifying feminist fantasies about women being as tough as men?
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Good point. It is fascinating what is happening in the middle east as it is in Europe with Europeans getting increasingly angry at the European Union Government. In America, people are increasingly turning against (and seeking solutions elsewhere from) the two major political parties that are actually one big party.
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In fact, she did have a substantial belt fed weapon. A 7.62 machine gun with plenty of ammo from the looks of it, as well as a few rifles and pistols.
Then there was the time when my retail store was robbed -
A police”woman” responded to our 911 call. When she pulled up to the the store front ( shotgun and sidearm in tow) I ran out to show her that the robber was still in sight (on foot about a hundred yards away) expecting her to persue him. I said to her “there he is go get him”.
Well, she gave the direction I indicated a token glance and said “just minute, I have to write all of this down” of course, intentionally letting the perp get away. After “writing it all down”, she then casually drove the squad car in the direction the perp was last seen. He was nowhere to be found and free to rob again.
She had all the crime fighting equipment except the “balls”. And all the feminist fantasies and demands can’t, and never will, supply them.
This was not the only time something like this has happened to my family and I (my wife was working at the store that day and the perp’s accomplice distracted her so he could rob the office) but I learned that if my family and were going to be protected, I was going to have to arm myself, which I did.
A waste of resources is the least of the problem here. The fems are putting in peril, the very people who pay, and rely on, these inadequate women to protect them. From the local scumbag to our international enemies who are watching this insanity and waiting to pounce on us.
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It’s gonna get worse…Just wait until they lift the ban on American women being in combat. Then it’ll get a lot worse. The U.S. Military is gonna become the biggest joke in the whole world. It is also going to have the largest number of deserters in recent history. It will also have the largest number (probably already does) of soldiers being exempt from deployment because of “sudden unexpected” pregnancies. And all of the bloodbaths that will befall the women who actually stay in the military with that “I can do anything a man can do” attitude will be blamed on men and the “patriarchy” in some way shape or form and regardless of how ridiculous the reason for that blame is it will be broadcast all over the news and believed.
I can’t imagine how horrible it’s gonna be for the men in combat having to deal with their female allies freaking out, whining, and crying when shit pops off. On top of that the demands of combat (contrary to feminist belief) go well beyond firing a gun. I would hate to be the guy wounded in a firefight that had to be dragged into cover by their comrade and the only one available is a woman. I doubt there are that many women in the military as I type this that can drag a near 200 pound man wearing nearly 70 pounds of gear with one hand across the ground. Why one hand? Because if you’re stupid enough to even risk pulling someone into cover during a firefight you better be shooting while you are dragging.
Don’t even get me started on carrying a guy out of a hot zone.
All of the lowered standards that people ignore so women can be let into physical demanding careers such as the police and firefighters will be a mistake like no other when it comes to the military. The police and firefighters are at home and thus the blunders of women can be spun any way the feminist influenced media wishes to spin it in order to appease the feelings of women. The military goes across the ocean where no one gives a fuck about your “feelings”. That woman who could only do 5-10 push ups and has absolutely no upper body strength will no longer be the limited eye candy men get when they head over to supply to get more gear. She’s gonna be the second pair of boots on the ground next to a guy that might need to be carried out of a dangerous area. That woman who didn’t have the endurance to run 2 miles (and that is the minimum running distance only used for tests) will no longer be the source of snickers from guys who believe women in the military to be a joke. She’s gonna be the one that continuously falls behind on foot patrols and passes out do to exhaustion, potentially endangering the entire squad or platoon on patrol.
But alas all of the female failures will be blamed on men and some bizarre new rules and restrictions will be put in place for the “well-being” of the female soldiers. Complaints from men on the safety of their units will be ignored as hate speech and “misogyny” as it is now.
Don’t get me wrong. I am all for women finally being put in combat like men were because of the draft and still are forced to be because of stop-loss, which is a back door draft. A lot of eyes will be opened on the battlefield (mostly female eyes) to the insanity behind the common thought that in general a woman can be an equally effective soldier as a man. In the media? All of that freaking out, crying, and whining that will take place will be ignored. It’ll be put online by those who experience it. Probably on sites like this but as we all know anything put on sites like The-Spearhead are ignored because of all the rabid “woman haters” here. Well ignored at least, until some attention whoring douche decides to cherry pick comments as proof of the supposed “woman hatred” that fluctuates throughout the entire MRM. But like I already said, if it actually does leak out into the media it will be blamed on men in some bizarre way and the arrogant feminists who turn their noses up at any legitimate criticizing directed at women will keep their noses high in the air until the pile of bodies is so high even they can’t ignore the stench.
I wonder if men will be blamed when some foreign nation decides to invade us after feminists destroy our military from the inside out…probably. I can see them shouting and shaming men who aren’t soldiers to begin with into “manning up” and defending the nation (read: women) from danger.
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When the military adds a new vehicle, they need to supply considerable logistics to support it wherever it does. Not just fuels and liquids and parts but also trained mechanics and a depot for major repairs.
When a unit adds dearies, no matter how good they might be but usually aren’t, they also need to add considerable logistics. Not just tampons and lipstick and female deodorants and female sized garments and condoms and estrogen pills and gynecologists in every base. But, also trained sympathizers who can pat them on the fanny when the going gets tough. Lawyers trained in rape and false rape charges and sex harassment cases. Separate restrooms.
Costs for adding a dearie are enormous. And, for what? Ineffectual ‘soldiers’ who need to be protected from their peers, men with an erection, but they are going to cope with strong, tough enemy with guns and explosives?
Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here.
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Morgan: “I find it highly amusing”
Good for you. Laugh away as your society crumbles around you, stunned at the anger directed at you by men who have done nothing to warrant being treated like second class citizens.
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Most of the men I know that make blanket statements like that are scrawny little nerds hiding in front of their computer screen and wailing about how all women are the same and men are always better at some things. Most of them couldn’t even hope to pass basic, but it’s women who are unsuited for real positions in the military.
Argumentum ad hominem is a logical fallacy. The truth of a statement is independent of the scrawniness or brawniness of the person stating it. You forgot to offer to kick the asses of your critics while suggesting that they have small penes.
Question: how many real, genuine, combat veterans have you known? I grew up around vets from WWII, Korea and Viet Nam, am personal friends with vets of Grenada, Gulf War I, and the invasion of the two sandboxes. I have a pretty good idea what genuine combat can entail; in Korea, some GI’s scrounged up bayonets from WW I, with the longer sword blade, because the Chinese winter clothing was so thick that men died while trying to fight with the 1950′s issue bayonet. The average 45 year old man has more physical strength, especially upper body strength, than the average 25 year old woman.
So when a fight gets to “bad breath” distance and in order to win you need to shove a sharp blade into the enemy, strength is going to matter. Yet no one is campaigning to send 45 year old men to the sandboxes to fight in the front lines, right? That’s because we know that 45 year old men won’t be able to keep up with the rest, not while carrying their fair share of the gear. And we also know that a 45 year old guy on average who winds up rolling around in an alley or a canyon with a Jihadi will lose the fight. But those 45 year old men can beat up a 25 year old woman most of the time.
So what does that tell us about the chances of GI Jane in the sandboxes when a fight goes to the ground / knife stage? It tells me that some people would rather score political points than win fights. It tells me some people are willing to let good men get killed, because their team was weakened by a political appointed princess.
The exception proves the rule.
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Well, I am sure she can provide some entertainment to her captors before/if she is returned home.
I am sure reconsideration of career choices would be a good idea for our “warrior” woman.
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If the marines make up a small enough percentage of men at the top then no women would make the grade, just like even the female world record holders don’t make the grade to even be considered in men’s Olympic sports. And all this even after Title IX has weakened men’s sports and educational levels.
After all the complaints by feminists about how Arabic and Islamic peoples treat women it is interesting that they did include women in the team. If at least two of the three marines were women, is this representative of the entire army of Dutch marines? (I know it’s too small a sample). I wonder what somebody was thinking? If it was to indicate no hostility, and it’s difficult to determine sex at a distance and in military attire, then why arm them with weapons? If what the feminists claim is true about these people, wouldn’t the presence of women be insulting to them?
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Morghan…
Even if there WERE 1% who could cope with it, it’s just not worth it at all. With the addition of (and let’s be generous here) 15% more troops or average quality, the necessary resources could double in many aspects.
Then there is the effectiveness issue. You can’t make up for women’s poorer fighting ability by sending more in (unless you’re looking to empty the citizenry of women really quick) because of “footprints”. Wars are won and lost on information and even if a squad of 8 women can fight an enemy as well as 5 Men, it’s best to go with the fewer Men because they leave a smaller footprint to be traced and woudn’t need nearly as much coordination (the difference between managing a squad of 5 and a squad of 8 are staggering).
Even then, you have to admit yourself that “no double standards” can never ever ever ever ever EVER happen. Ever. Did I say Ever? This would mean that magically lawyers couldn’t make a quick buck with intentional false rape accusations, the media couldn’t get any sensationalism about some captured woman behind enemy lines (sorry, dearie, you’re as SOL as a Man in your place) and most importantly mixing these women into the ranks of Men won’t have ANY effect on morale through lust, jealousy or breakdown of teamwork (or, again, attempting to rescue someone during a gunfight who you would’ve put their rescue as a lower priority than winning the gunfight first so you don’t BOTH die, but since she’s a woman you charge in anyway due to chivalric instincts/programming and end up getting shot and killed yourself, way to fall for the trap).
1% of women isn’t worth it and it’s not even that, they’re probably not even average at their best. If you held them to the same standards and 1/10,000 (that’s a percent of a percent) passed, it’s safer, more effective and just better to stick her in something that isn’t combat… This is the military, lives are at stake.
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@ Morgan. Fine. Let’s make every single institution, organization, board etc be reflective of your feminist utopian view of equality. And while we are at it, let all ditch diggers, high rise construction worker, farm worker etc etc be similarly reflective.
Your views find little traction here, because you have been indoctrinated under a system where you never really had to struggle, you are likely a latte drinking pseudo-intellectual who read a few marxist/feminist tomes and think the world would work better if only the rest of us troglodytes bought your cool-aid.
The fact is, we men know that you may have a case in certain occupations, when men and women are allowed to compete on A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, women will lose the vast majority of the cases.
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Then your point is irrelevant unless you know the men who are posting here.
I’ve heard that argument before from feminists about sports. The simple fact is if you pick the best female she won’t be better than an average man. You can always find a man that is more capable than a woman and that man doesn’t even have to be the best, so what’s the point of women in the military? They don’t add anything but additional hassle and problems. If there were female exceptions in physical capabilities they wouldn’t just be confined to the military they would surely be seen in sports, like at the Olympics for example, but I don’t remember any country picking a female to compete against men.
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A front beside us and a front behind us as well? An impossible dream, for even the for the most chivilrous of white nights.
If they are allowed to continue, mankind will at least regress thousands of years, or worse. They’ll never know what hit them (us).
If they truly understood that they are jeopardizing their “most privileged class of people in the world”, they would stop this destructive course they are taking us all on. And isn’t ironic (not really) that they will probably never realize that the very people who they treat so cruel, men (if they ever come out of this pussification trance), will be the the only people who save them from themselves.
I know, but they come with the world salvation deal.
Unless they really want to get dragged by the hair into a cave to get laid. Sorry, couldn’t resist.
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In all fairness, I have to point out that plenty of rescue/commando missions staffed exclusively by men have gone awry in war zones over the last 10 years.
That said, if my life was on the line I would hope to God there were no women in the squad sent to secure my freedom. With so many variables and obstacles to contend with on these dangerous missions, why add one more by adding some almost assuredly unable to pull her own weight?
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Malestrom March 6, 2011 at 08:04
Female marines? What is the world coming to?
The Royal Marines of my home, Britain, do not accept women into their ranks. I imagine they desire to remain a serious military organization.
Just wait. Harriet Harmon just hasn’t got around to it yet.
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Amateur Strategist and others – exactly. I cannot see any reason why elite combat units such as the Marines should be required to include women, even if some of those women might be capable of doing the job. There are very high stakes involved, and nothing, absolutely nothing – no matter how trivial – should be allowed to detract from the effectiveness of these units.
As others have said before, the military is there to protect democracy, not to be one.
Some people have suggested separate women only units, well, that is going to decrease “interchangeability” of individual soldiers and is going to cost more to support, and most militaries are already under pressure to provide more “bang for their buck”.
Now, if the military just needs some cannon fodder to soak up the enemy’s bullets; then fine, take as many women as you need
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jmzz said:
“I can’t imagine how horrible it’s gonna be for the men in combat having to deal with their female allies freaking out, whining, and crying when shit pops off.”
Not to mention the smell.
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Morgan:
you use shaming language, calling opponents “CoD players” “geeks” etc, then claim to know from first-hand several women who would excel at being marines. Then you backtrack, trying to claim your past postings give you a free pass in the current debate, which is about AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, one of the major grievances we MRAs have with feminism.
Either you come clean and admit that AA is basically putting the unqualified above the qualified simply because of the person’s genitalia and to reverse ALLEGED patriarchal discrimination, or you obfuscate more, as your last post showed.
And by the way, I have been on this site since day 1 and my hundreds of comments are consistent and perceptive. I have played the good beta and got nothing but contempt by a feminized society, so, yes, in this gender war, I have ‘earned my stripes.’ How about you?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Considering all the women I have known and now know there is not even one woman at all worthy to be a Marine. On the other hand, I do know a whole shitload of women that would make excellent cannon fodder. Dress ‘em up in their tit shirts, low-slung jeans, high-slung thongs, 4″ heels and send them out as advance troops in Afghanistan. The Taliban would be so infuriated and blinded by this assault on modesty that our troops could march right in and wipe out the whole lot of them.
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”No.
Equal opportunity in the military.
No reduced standards, no sensitivity training, no special considerations.
There are women that can handle it. Not many, but they do exist.
All the double standards are ridiculous. That’s not just special consideration for women, but dismissal of those few exceptional women that can handle it.
Twist my words however you like, but it isn’t me who is off in his thinking here.
Everything should be equal opportunity with no consideration for forcing equal outcome.
Anyone who doesn’t believe that needs to honestly compare themselves to the feminists who keep trying to gain advantage over men based on sex rather than merit. You’re more alike than you care to admit.”
The military doesn’t exist to provide equal employment opportunities. The military exists to do it’s job. You yourself accepted that the women are a bigger burden to the military than they are an asset, even the tiny number of them that could make only slightly (rather than devestatingly) sub-par soldiers, this makes your entire point ridiculous. The prestige, elan, and morale of the forces is worth infinitely more than being ‘fair’ to a handful of women, you need to get your priorities straight. If there is one institution that could really do without a dose of all this uptopian equality daydreaming, it’s the military
”You can always find a man that is more capable than a woman and that man doesn’t even have to be the best, so what’s the point of women in the military? They don’t add anything but additional hassle and problems.”
This. Why deploy an exceptional female marine when you can deploy an average male one?
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Why would ANYONE be so masochistic as to want to be a marine?
Screw that. And, why would I want to kill/be killed as cannon fodder for global corporations in foreign lands that have little or no relevance to the actual defense of my home country?
I’ve got much better things to do with my time…
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At first I thought I thought I’d simply ignore your ridiculous ad hominem, it was so crudely and blatantly done I thought to actually point it out would be platitudinous and an insult to the intelligence of other readers. However I do feel your backtracking to warrant comment.
It is disingenuous of you to claim you were ‘simply saying’ that the people you knew were like this, anyone not a total moron can see the very clear implication you were making. The actual and intended meaning of your words was ”I bet you’re some scrawny nerd”, do you actually think anyone here is so lacking in intelligence or basic reading skills to not have understood exactly this? Your attempts to deny that that is what you were doing are only coming off as desperate and pathetic, you made an infantile ad hominem, and other posters spared me the trouble of even responding to it by calling it out for what it was, just accept that simple fact.
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Maybe the female marine can replace Gaddafi’s voluptious Ukrainian nurse.
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Reminds me of those British sailors that were captured by the Iranians in 2007.
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If the West wanted to bring Libya to its knees we’d be bombing them with feminists.
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Morgan:
we will call a truce of sorts. Let the readers take from it what they may. Whatever we were arguing about likely got lost in the vitriol.
The wonder of this website is the freedom the owner gives to commentors, provided they stay within certain acceptable boundaries, so you and I exercised this freedom for the world to marvel at.
I haven’t bothered going to feminist blogs/sites because I won’t grace them with my input, and some MRA blogs are even too extreme for my liking, so I will end here by saying that I will respect what the Spearhead has to offer our movement and wrap our little spat up.
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“GT66? March 6, 2011 at 16:58?
If the West wanted to bring Libya to its knees we’d be bombing them with feminists.”
Aren’t we already doing that?
Take a look at the AWO’s web site. All the joys of US feminist organizations but with Arabs instead of western women.
Pakistan and Iran are both pissed about feminist influence brought over as part of the American invasion.
I say we send NOW and all the rest over there to “liberate” the women and pull out our troops. Might be more effective and we definitely wouldn’t be taking any real losses.
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From what I can tell, it seems the Dutch military sent in a single “slick” helicopter in a non-combatant evacuation operations (NEO), with no fire teams on board or other organic fire support besides sidearms and a door gun. Just the 3-man crew, two of which are occupied at a set of controls.
From those facts, I suspect they weren’t on a “rescue” mission or conducting an exfil under hostile conditions. Thus their capture seems less due to the martial ability of the mixed-sex crew than to a SNAFU about whether or not they had authorization to penetrate Libyan airspace.
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Not a problem, Lovekraft.
It actually seemed to me like we were coming to the same conclusion. I was just taking a different road to get there.
I’m pretty sure it would never work, not because women are incapable, but because our present culture has done so much damage to us in general.
I’m sure the few who could cut it would be quickly drowned out by countless whiners complaining about every perceived slight.
Costs would go up, efficiency would go down, things would fall apart.
Now if we had sane laws and standards of behavior for women it might have a different outcome…
I’m not holding my breath for that though.
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You know, I was wondering about that. In fact, to me a lot of it just seems like a big F*ck-up. It’s definitely good to get a helo-pilot’s opinion on this. Could the pilot have simply lifted off when he saw hostiles or what? If they didn’t expect hostiles, why the machine gun with the big belt of ammo? I mean, what were they thinking? You don’t go into this crap half-assed with some women in tow. Just retarded, and I thought the Dutch were supposed to be somewhat intelligent people.
My take on it is that if you don’t know what the hell is going on, but decide to send people in anyway, you don’t send a couple women in, and you definitely send in some guys who are ready to rumble.
Has this kind of stupidity penetrated NATO to this extent?
I mean, look at that Dutch girl. She’s a skinny blonde sent in to do an evac in potentially hostile territory…
Is this a case of gender “equality” in practice like the Laura Logan affair? That’s what I suspect. There are a lot of morons who ought to lose their jobs out there…
Lol @ Female Marines… What were they gonna do, give out blowjobs to everyone? That’s all American Female Marines are good for, bwahhaha…
I’m currently in Afghanistan right now, as an 0311 Rifleman in Helmand province. You ask every dude out here what he thinks about Female Marines, first he’ll laugh out loud, then he’ll have something very negative to say, usually much more negative than positive.
Oh and Morghan, I met a few Women in my Marine Corps career that could pass the set Male PT standards, but guess what, they couldn’t keep up with us during our hikes with our rucks, they couldn’t throw a grenade out far enough, they couldn’t carry equipment and weaponry for an extended period of time while hitting 5-10 miles. Passing the minimum PT standards is easy, pull ups, run, easy crap. But all the PHYSICAL TRAINING we do in between and after, never met a Female who could keep up, even though PT isn’t all that hard.
I saw a lot of people graduate boot camp who really shouldn’t have graduated. The Marines PT standards should be raised back to World War II/Korea levels, a time when being a Marine actually meant being THE BEST, most aggressive, toughest, bloodthirsty bastard around. These days any retarded, weak jackass can become a Marine, you WILL not washout from boot camp unless you have a serious injury or you get into some serious trouble, or if you just simply fail EVERYTHING.
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Facts are sketchy at the moment, but I’m going to offer the following (speculative) order of events:
1) Crew was dispatched on a hastily planned, low/no-threat, daylight NEO pickup of a Dutch and Swedish national, allegedly from the Dutch consulate in Sirt.
2) Crew went out with standard complement of weaponry consistent with the anti-piracy mission the ship HMS Tromp was originally sortied on (i.e., side arms/personal weapons, door gun).
3) Crew penetrated Libyan airspace, landed at the landing zone, and was surprised by a large band of armed Khaddafi loyalists.
4) As these loyalists represent the (still) legitimately constituted government, the crew chose to surrender rather than take their chances in an unarmored, slow moving, fragile aluminum/magnesium shell filled with jet fuel.
As I mentioned, this is complete speculation. But I note a couple of things:
1) Despite its menacing appearance, I’m not all that impressed by the 7.62mm LMG in the right door of the Lynx. Those guns aren’t useful for much other than delivering suppressive fire as one approaches/exits an LZ. Sure they’re plenty lethal given the right conditions and circumstances (I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of one myself), but one isn’t going to take down an entire country with a single, thin-skinned helicopter with a single door gun and maybe 500 rounds of ammo. Looks more impressive and more dramatic than it is in real life.
2) Don’t know why they chose to take a weapon like that in with them on an NEO / medevac sortie. For certain, there are lots of arguments for and against doing so. Perhaps they were diverted after launch, and didn’t have the time/fuel to de-arm?
3) I’ve never flown a Lynx, but it is a transport/assault helicopter similar in capability to early variants of our Blackhawk. As such, I suspect it doesn’t have much in the way of armor. Thus, the safest course of action, when one isn’t (yet) at war with the legitimate government and is faced with a (presumably platoon-sized) unit of that government pointing all 30+ of their guns at you at point-blank range, would be to comply. The odds of survival should the crew elect to lift off and attempt to flee are not good. Given the choice between surrendering and probably living, and trying to fly away and probably dying, well, odds are most on this board would probably choose the former. The Libyans aren’t (yet) inclined to saw the heads off infidels with a rusty kitchen knife like their Hadji brothers.
These are just some initial thoughts from the POV of a helo dude who wasn’t there. YMMV.
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In fairness it ought to be pointed out that the British also had a bungled operation in Libya at the weekend, and this was carried out by men.
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We all realize that the obvious and simple solution would be to recognize and accept the natural differences between men and women and proceed accordingly.
When I consider that, I think that perhaps women should just stick to destroying lives back home where they outshine men at it hands down.
Besides, it’s safer, it pays better and it offers job security.
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Guys, just think about it for a minute. This is the blackest of black ops. The female is part of a “sleeper” cell. She is going in to get to close to Quadaffi and then……”BAM!!”…. rape allegation. The world court will convict him in abstentia and the UN will be forced to intercede, taking down the regime post haste.
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A harbinger of things to come with US Military using women in combat roles! Yes dear friends, GI Jenny won’t “save the day” outside of the entertainment she provides to enemy combatants who capture her.
What a twisted world we live in….and wait till the day it becomes a “crime” to speak out against such a farce (as it is in most of Europe now).
Enjoy Western Civilization while you can….what is left anyway!
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I spoke with a man who worked at a five star restaurant. About six months after getting divorced, the chef-owner hired an ex-model to work as hostess. The woman, knowing he was divorced (and vulnerable), flirted and played him just enough so she could sue him. They settled out of court for about $30K. Later, they learned that the woman has pulled off her scam on other men several times previously. Naturally, the feminists will side with her since in the minds of a feminists when a female accuses a male of doing something wrong she is a victim (rolling eyes here) and the male is guilty.
Women neither ‘think’ as men and often act in ways that a male won’t even consider. Men, stop ‘assuming’ that your own sense of honor can be applied to western women. If a woman believes you have something she wants such as money or sperm or whatever then she feels entitled to own it. When you buy a house with your new wife you are really buying her house and not yours. Buyer be aware.
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You mean it is already a crime in much of Europe to criticize female soldiers? It is that bad over there? If so then it is only a matter of time before that fascism hits America’s shores.
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Apparently the SAS got caught too, but by the rebels.
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I’ll be celebrating by working on my future MRA blog.
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@ kathy
Intenational Women’s Day?
I’ll be browsing The Spearhead, one of the few islands of sanity in an increasingly insane world.
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YES! Try speaking Spear-head style in a London Pub and if a plain-clothes Bobby (Cop) hears you he’ll give you a citation for “anti-woman bias”
NO KIDDING! I know a dealer in sci-fi memorabilia who had a table at a Sci-fi convention in Ontario Canada and an undercover cop came up to him and told him he could either go to jail or remove one of the patches he was selling from his table, sayingthe patch “incited violence toward women”
*It was a custom STAR TREK patch showing one of those green-skinned Orion slave girls in a bikini with her hands behind her back*
SO YES, THIS SORT OF DRACONIAN CRAP IS COMING HERE TO THE USA ONLY BECAUSE OF OUR 1ST AMENDMENT THEY’LL “SOFT LAW” IT .
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To me, that is a party at the Playboy Mansion!
anything else is crap!
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Thanks for your reply. Those examples you gave were surprising in how far down western civilization has slid as a free and strong society.
The men’s movement critical mass does not have to start with millions of men marching in the streets. It is already here with millions of men MGTOW, ghosting, and saying no to marriage, cohabiting, and dating. Millions of men are turning away from supporting women, government, and society.
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This is bullshit and wishful thinking. As a marine NCO I always knew and strived within myself to insure I had the leadership qualities that it took to do the job with the men you had. Most men that are functional in this fucked up society are half way there to being marines if the need came up. I don’t see a single women that comes from western society having the basic character to be a marine.
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There was a study done years ago (can’t recall what it was titled)
which found that 83% of able-bodied MEN could serve as soldiers, airmen, sailors if drafted. a number that high quiets the “only alphas can be good soldiers” argument.
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Dutch are spineless, emasculated pussies; they have been for 100 years.
Their fate awaits US.
So, the ONLY “good” the Dutch serve is as warning.
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But they did accept a woman as a BeafEater and she subsequently lost much of her hair and was on indefinite sick leave because of the ‘abuse’ of the men saying she was not up to the job. My, my, it is even reported that they ‘abused’ her by leaving yellow sticky notes on her uniform saying she was not fit for the job. HHhmmm. And THAT resulted in a nervous disorder that had her on indefinite sick leave. I wonder what defusing some land mines or roadside bombs might do for her nerves?
Until women are ‘man enough’ to do bomb disposal work they should NOT be allowed to make ANY claim of ‘equality’. Period.
Woman-up ladies. Do bomb disposal work or get back into the kitchen..
Yes. In the UK legislation was passed that now states that if two men are in a BAR and one tells the other a JOKE and the barmaid overhears the JOKE and she is OFFENDED she can sue the BAR OWNER for not providing a ‘safe working environment’. This is why, in the book, is the claim that the employer is responsible for the actions of women in the workplace that cause injury, harm or loss because it is already LEGISLATED in many places that foolishness like ‘being offended at joke you were not even supposed to hear’ is ‘abuse’ if you are a woman but being put in JAIL for a few months over a false allegation is perfectly ok if you are a man.
And women do not oppose this. And they wonder why I have no respect for them? Duh!
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Firepower also says:
Ignorance
is Bliss
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I’m with Dirk. Send them in as a meat shield. Don’t tell my men aren’t sent in that way, if you do I’ll call bullshit.
If 12 year old boys can fight with automatic weapons in many ports of the world, women can be sent in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/africa/14somalia.html
We need gender parity in deaths from war.
And in addition this would put to bed the notion that men are violent because we do all the killing in war. Women would do half the killing as they now are the majority that vote for war.
Men, as we know here, are for the most part forced into war due to a draft or economic reasons. Young men I know are not banging around town screaming to be sent to war.
This myth is the reason why feminists are literally calling for all men to be removed from politics, or have our genes remaid so we are now “OK” humans:
and
and
and
(He even knows he’s a mangina….nice)
And in conclusion:
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/pellissier20110215
So, as we sit here and wonder if we should allow some bulldykes to get shot first before you sons, 12 year old boys are being sent to die for their mothers and then called animals for it.
I say f#$k that. Read the writing on the walls guys.
They want to eradicate the Y gene and are saying so openly. They are saying the Y gene will lead to world wide global extinction of the human race.
They are not kidding. And they will send their 12 year old sons to shoot you.
If you didn’t think they really hated men, when they say that they need to eradicate the Y chromosome, do you believe it now?
Didn’t think so. The underestimation of our enemy has lead to where we are now. I don’t see any end in sight.
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Being Dutch, I just feel I have to put some things into perspective.
First of all, the girl is not a Marine, she does not belong to the Dutch Marine Corps. She’s a Navy pilot flying a Lynx helicopter. Yes, she is the PILOT. The Lynx helicopter is used in search and rescue operations and is not considered to be a combat helicopter. So, by all accounts, they were on a rescue mission. (Rumor has it in the Netherlands they were trying to pick up a distant member of the Dutch Royal family).
Having said that, it is obvious that this is a f***** up mess from start to finish. I don’t think it has anything to do with the pilot being female. Tt’s just a badly planned and worse executed operation. We’re mad as hell and ashamed at the same time. Let’s just hope the crew members get out soon.
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Firepower</b) wrote: 'Dutch are spineless, emasculated pussies; they have been for 100 years.’
The Dutch resistance was far more effective during the Second World War than the French and Dutchman Geert Wilders is showing a great deal of spunk in his stand against the steady Islamisation of Europe, perhaps more so than any other European politician.
Dutchmen are amongst those most ready to support anti Islamist demonstrations in England.
I wouldn’t write off the Dutch yet.
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Firepower wrote: ‘Dutch are spineless, emasculated pussies; they have been for 100 years.’
The Dutch resistance was far more effective during the Second World War than the French and Dutchman Geert Wilders is showing a great deal of spunk in his stand against the steady Islamisation of Europe, perhaps more so than any other European politician.
Dutchmen are amongst those most ready to support anti Islamist demonstrations in England.
I wouldn’t write off the Dutch yet.
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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) wrote: Woman-up ladies.
In my boyhood the command ‘Pipe down!’ was used to silence anyone making an unacceptable noise, whether they were male or female, young or old, rich or poor, ‘black’ or ‘white’.
Why are women almost always described as ‘ladies’ when so few are?
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These “bioethicists” are charlatans, along with the whole “transhuman” movement. Transhumanism is about totalitarianism, they want to engineer a slave race, that’s why they demonise men. Men will fight them and resist authoritarian regimes. These people are very dangerous and highly arrogant to believe that they can re-engineer men or any species to their specifications. It’s always the same with people who want to create a utopia, they are always totalitarians and totalitarianism is the only way of implementing their ideals. People who think like them will cause irreversible damage.
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SingleDad wrote: ‘ … I don’t see any end in sight.’
Don’t despair: The light at the end of the tunnel shows faintly in the distance just after the point at which one thinks the darkness endless, all enveloping and all consuming. It needs only resolution to turn the corner.
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“Kathy–how masculine the female soldier seems to be. She sits like a man”
This is true. Many of these women raised in marxist feminist cultures like the Netherlands act the same as a man. Very little femininity. Like a man with boobs and vagina. So she probably can do the job of pilot. What she can’t do is be a good wife and mother. Femininity doesn’t even come naturally to these type of women, so any maternal instincts are just not there. It will lead to demographic suicide for the native Germanic dutch.
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I find what I’m reading here very troubling.
Many of the men here obviously have extensive military experience or seem to be active in military duty, and it appears their morale is sadly ailing. If this is a representation of the morale generally in the military, women/fems have already done serious damage to our country’s defense.
What is also troubling is that these women don’t know that they weakened the country’s defense by lowering the troops morale, and they plan to recklessly continue on their destructive course putting us all in greater peril. They want to make our defense system one big government mandated affirmative action program in order to advance their obsessive crusade to attain total and unconditional “fulfillment”. And they never consider the effects that their actions have on people and country.
I realize they have been chipping away at our military for a long time, but since they were not permitted to take part in combat, I figured we were fairly “safe”. I did not realize that the morale might be in such a state of a concern.
Affirmative, my ass!
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So, how is everyone celebrating International Women’s Day here?
I think I’ve seen that on the checkout racks at the supermarket. I didn’t realize it had gone international. I’ve never read it but I hear it has good recipes and tips for cleaning the house, staying thin, looking pretty, etc. Assuming such I guess I’m on board with celebrating it. Maybe I’ll buy my wife a copy.
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Whether there would be less war (and whether that would really be a good thing) if women were in charge, I cannot say; however it is worth remembering that in the main the women do better out of War than men. If the enemy win, they hitch up with them. After WW1 the women tended to do worse as, there were not enough men to go round. The point of War is to protect what is behind you, rather than to hate what is in front of you . If the women don’t want homegrown men, and one has to rely on foreign imports, then what is the point of War?
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@ Opus
I don’t think it’s that western women don’t want American men, we were raised to specification. It’s just that even with lifelong training, operant conditioning, functioning re-education camps and all kinds of ways to keep men from infecting the thinking of children, and complete control of all indoctination centers, schools…
…the men of America are still lacking according to our feminist overlords.
And men from other countries couldn’t really be considered human, can they.
So elimination is the only solution. Women, you will have to double down on the feminism.
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SingleDad wrote: …the men of America are still lacking according to our feminist overlords.’
Firstly, no woman can be an ‘overlord’. Language is essential to thought. Change the way you speak and you’ll change the way you think.
Secondly, the men of America lack nothing except leadership. In 1775 balls weren’t in short supply, and I write as an Englishmen. The United States was not brought into being by emasculated beings; it sprang from the hearts of men and was nurtured by their dreams, desires, determination and blood.
Stand up for yourselves and put yourselves forward. Where you lead others will follow.
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“The Dutch resistance was far more effective during the Second World War than the French and Dutchman Geert Wilders is showing a great deal of spunk in his stand against the steady Islamisation of Europe, perhaps more so than any other European politician.”
Geert Wilders is part Indonesian and knows full well that he gets a pass by the jewish and zionist interests by attacking Islam. That’s why he goes out of his way to suck up to Israel the way he does, and his wife is jewish. Since jewish liberals were largely at the forefront of multiculturalizing Europe and America, but now are themselves starting to feel the pain from hostile muslim immigrants, they’re allowing useful gentile tools like Wilders to give some pushback. On top of that, the problem Wilders and his ilk really seem to have with Islam is that it rejects western decadence, including feminism. He’s not really defending the west so much, as the very ideologies that have led to its demise. If I had to choose between decadent European nihilists like Wilders defending feminism, faggotry, drug culture, etc. and Islam, I’d take the muzzies. F**k western civilization–as if anything is left of it in this judaized multiculti heap.
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Off topic, but still about the Dutch : In one of the national newspapers, ‘De Volkskrant’,
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2686/Binnenland/article/detail/1856828/2011/03/08/Veel-aangiften-van-zedenmisdrijven-blijken-vals.dhtml
it is reported that recent research in the Netherlands showed that :
- About 50 percent of girls who went to the police to accuse someone of rape decided not to do so after been told that a false accusation might result in punishment
- The police suspects that a substantial part of the accusations are false : ‘Once the girls told their story it is difficult to prove them wrong, even if evidence suggests they are’
- They find it difficult to tell a girl ‘You are lying’. In spite of the doubts, the small chance that she is indeed a victim.
That last remark can be translated as ‘the pussy pass in action’.
Adding it all up, it seems that more than 50 percent of the girls going to the police are lying about rape. About half of them are impressed by the message that lying about rape might result in punishment. An unknown percentage are not impressed for one reason or another and will decide to continue the lie. Another unknown percentage are not lying. It is a far cry from ‘girls don’t lie about rape’.
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As a Dutchman I felt inclined to chime in. This botched up mission was quite the embarrasment, as was our earlier failure in ‘protecting’ Srebrenica. Both are the result of sending soldiers into a hostile situation, without giving them a mandate to shoot back. (Not that it would have helped this lone chopper much.)
As a frequent visitor on men’s rights sites, I notice some contradictions here. An often-heard complaint is that women in the military are kept out of harms way, and that true equality would mean for female body bags to be proportional to the ratio of female soldiers.
But now, when a woman is sent into the line of fire (even though it was unexpected), the chorus is “no women in the military”.
What is the MRM’s stand? Should women be kept out of harms way? Kept out of the military? If you advocate that, do you also advocate male-only conscription during wartime? (A middle way-approach might be non-military conscription of women, as nurses etc.)
I think this is one of those discussions that shows the traditionalist / ‘give-em-true-equality-and-see-how-they-like-it’ divide within the MRM. (Is there a shorter name for the latter group?).
Anyways, I don’t see the Dutch media making a lot of fuss about one of the captives being a female. Leave that to the Anglosphere. Then again, I didn’t watch much TV lately. I will eat my shorts if we ever make a lame movie about it like you guys would do. What I saw in the media is mostly the embarassment over the botched operation.
Now to address some comments about the Dutch being ‘emasculated pussies’, and our country being a feminist-Marxist one.
* Our teen pregnancy rate is 6 times as low as in the UK, IMO because we don’t pamper and glorify single moms like the Anglosphere (http://www.famyouth.org.uk/pdfs/LDM.pdf)
* We generally ‘go Dutch’ on dates.
* Would this type of comedy be allowed in the Anglosphere? They are quite popular here:
http://www.flabber.nl/linkdump/video/seizoen-3-new-kids-deel-2-3097
Not really my thing, just to make a point. I like this comedian more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp00BEXDtKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDtisgnSZCc
Now to bash my country, we have a terrible cuisine, and compared with the Irish, our hospitality is abysmal.
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@mav :
I ‘don’t agree on your conclusion about the 10 pecent. I found the usual ‘reasons’ these girls came up with, such as ‘revenge’, ‘excuse for being late’ and so on. And then the expected ‘A lot of girls who make false accusations have problems at home or psychological problems’. We heard that line before.
The latest sentence in the headline is “Het percentage meisjes dat met een dubieus verhaal over een zedenmisdrijf naar de politie gaat, is nog groter.”and then the story continues “Ongeveer de helft van hen besluit geen aangifte te doen na het eerste gesprek met de politie, waarin wordt verteld dat het doen van een valse aangifte strafbaar is.”. So I cannot reach another conclusion then 50 percent of all the girls that go to the police, as following the headline, translated : ‘The percentage of girls that goes to the police with a dubious story is bigger’, followed by ‘About half of them decides to not …’ And so on.
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Here is more (slightly) related information:
From the Article:
“For women in the military, there’s a cold, hard reality: Their marriages are more than twice as likely to end in divorce as those of their male comrades — and up to three times as likely for enlisted women. And military women get divorced at higher rates than their peers outside the military, while military men divorce at lower rates than their civilian peers.
About 220,000 women have served in Afghanistan and Iraq in roles ranging from helicopter pilots to police officers. Last year, 7.8 percent of women in the military got a divorce, compared with 3 percent of military men, according to Pentagon statistics. Among the military’s enlisted corps, nearly 9 percent of women saw their marriages end, compared with a little more than 3 percent of the men.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_female_gis_divorce;_ylt=At6kRD48Hr7xNwurvAFyw7us0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNwdGl1b2tnBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwMzA4L3VzX2ZlbWFsZV9naXNfZGl2b3JjZQRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzYEcG9zAzMEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNmZW1hbGVnaXNzdHI-
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Mav, English is a Germanic language. It forms part of what is called “Anglo-Frisian”, which form part of the “West Germanic” group along with Dutch and German.
Norwegian, and the other Scandinavian languages apart from Saami (Lapp) and Finnish constitute the “North Germanic” group.
Both north and west Germanic (along with the extinct Eastern Germanic or Gothic) derive from “Proto-Germanic”, which ultimately derived from Proto-Indo-European, or PIE for short.
Never thought I’d be discussing language families on The Spearhead…
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English should actually be classified as a Latinic language. There are more than 600k words in English;the next language has 150k or less. Of the 600k+ words in English perhaps 25% are derived from the Anglo Saxon but more than 50% have Latin roots.
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Avenger, although English does have a large amount of Romance (Latin) vocabulary English is still classified as a Germanic language. First the basic syntax is very much of Germanic character, and secondly most of the fundamental words are from Germanic. English is in essence a Germanic tongue with a large amount of Romance influence. Also, many languages of western Europe are derived from Late Latin. French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, are all descended from Latin. Interestingly, much of the latter influences on these are of Germanic origin (although around a quarter of Spanish words are of Arabic origin).
Linguists tend to use a “Genetic” method when classifying language families, using various methods to trace back in time the ancestors of current languages. By reconstructing words based on known rules linguists can reconstruct more ancient “proto-languages” and learn the relationships of even long extinct languages to modern ones.
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Oooh boy. We have attracted another feminist cunt, this time from Holland.
Time to update the commenting policy… if you fill the commenting section with non-English words. you get hit with a ban stick.
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Sorry, Bill. You’ve seen too many Hollywood movies about “The Resistance.”
Both French and Dutch Resistance didn’t do a damn thing – except make themselves look good after the occupations and shear the hair off hapless female collaborators.
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So, because of bungling and incompetence, another female gets captured. [yawn] I’m shocked.
I’m sure that whatever happens, her actions, no matter how mediocre, will be lauded as superhuman heroism, medals will be awarded and the insanity will continue.
I’ve said it many times: feminists and their enablers are not concerned about military effectiveness. Nor are they particularly worried about any unintended consequences of their idiotic ideas.
I have previously pointed out here at The Spearhead that women are really not needed in the US military at all, they are just window dressing to appease a minority of political activists/lobbyists and female military careerists, just as with the homosexuals.
However, according to the US Army, the number of “youths” (presumably both male & female) ages 17 to 24 who are eligible for military service is about 65%. Including women would certainly change the figures but since I do not know exactly what method they used to arrive at that number, it is hard to be sure how much of an impact they make.
A significant number of “youths” are either too dumb (score very poorly on ASVAB), too unhealthy/fat (cannot pass medical exam/physical fitness tests), too undisciplined (have criminal records that are serious enough to disqualify them), have a history of recreational drug use, have too many dependents (married or single moms) or some combination of these. The numbers just get worse as the potential recruits get older.
If the situation gets desperate enough to warrant a unisex draft, the requirements would have to be relaxed a great deal. A draft military is bound to have more discipline problems, particularly considering the current social/political climate and continuing leftist subversion of the military. A unisex draft is unlikely to solve any problems and is likely to create new ones. If Israel’s experience is any indicator, draft dodging should be expected to be a significant problem.
The women/homosexuals “in combat” silliness is just a circus sideshow that distracts from even more significant problems which have greater impact on readiness and morale. Namely: the mission is FUBAR and our “leadership” is operating at echelons above reality. All the stupidity has a cumulative effect, of course. We can afford to let women play soldier because quite frankly, we are not very serious about waging war. When a country with most powerful navy on the planet wrings its hands at the thought of dealing with ragtag pirates in motorboats, you know something is completely fucked up.
At this point, the discussion is mostly academic to me. This nonsense will get worse before it gets better. There are simply too many people that suffer from an ideological paralysis of the mind that prevents them from perceiving reality and taking appropriate action.
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The Dutch “military” sounds as effective as our US Border Patrol that gives white boys beanbag rounds to “apprehend” AK-47 wielding Illegal Immigrant Bandidos.
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@ William Guff
Thanks for your kind words.
I have been doing the MRA posting for a while and I am speaking philosophically that there is no hope.
I don’t believe there is. Woman make up 52% of the vote, 5.5
% of men cannot vote due to criminal record in the US police state, that leaves a women 55% of the vote. And as 84% of men will marry at some point (in 1970, 4.9% of men had never married while today, 16.9% of men will never marry):
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763219.html
a large number of married men will likely vote the way their wives tell them, if they want peace at home or to get a piece at home.
So maybe 55 + 1/2 x (45) or 77.5% of the vote is controlled directly or indirectly by women.
I have no hope that politics will change given women control 77.5% of the votes and explains why politicians don’t want to talk to us.
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SD’s opinion is correct: See, he presents evidence to back it up.
NOT just Happy Talk to Build Self-Esteem.
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@SingleDad:
That was exactly what I was thinking about the vote. Women get nasty when you vote differently from them. My ex seemed to think I was a proxy for her votes since she was a felon and couldn’t vote herself.
She never came right out and admitted it, but any man who has had any dealings with a woman knows that they have special skills for making life miserable if you don’t do exactly what they want you to.
Never managed to push me in to anything, but I’ll take conflict over submission any day.
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Firepower wrote: ‘ … Both French and Dutch Resistance didn’t do a damn thing … ‘
The trouble with shooting from the lip is that the ricochet tends to hit one in the foot. I should try to back up your assertions with evidence, and not just ‘Happy Talk to build Self-Esteem’ were I you, otherwise you risk appearing uninformed and bigoted.
However effective you think the various resistance movements in the occupied territories were between 1940 and 45 the evidence presented by the accounts I’ve read, and heard, is that the Dutch were more effective than the French, and Hollywood has nothing to do with it.
As an aside: I’m not a naval or military historian but I have read quite widely on the subjects, especially with regard to the Second World War, and I know that Hollywood’s version of the events is rarely more than risible nonsense, as, often, are the opinions of people like you.
I don’t want to become embroiled in slanging matches with others here but I’m prepared to wager that you are one of those gung-ho, shoot first, ask questions later sorts of guys. Am I correct?
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SingleDad wrote: ‘Thanks for your kind words.’
You’re welcome and thank you too.
However bleak you think things can become, they probably won’t: Feminazi societies are falling apart so quickly that things really cannot go on as they have for very much longer. Men will have to clear up the mess off course (what’s new) but change is in the air.
Chin up, chests out and eyes front.
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Morghan wrote: ‘ … Women get nasty when you vote differently from them … ‘
1) Don’t you have secret ballots in the USA?
2) What fucking business of hers are your voting preferences?
3) What fucking business of hers are any of your preferences?
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@William Gruff?:
Yes, we do have secret ballots, and it is absolutely none of her business.
How it works is a bit different though.
Women are masters of nagging, and they never seem to let anything go. Eventually she catches you exhausted or after having a few too many and finds out exactly what she wants to know.
Then all that nagging turns to bitching, and that becomes fodder for the “horrible man” image she projects to her friends and family so they can help her throw a pity party for herself.
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Morghan wrote: ‘ … Women are masters of nagging … ‘
Women can be ‘masters’ of nothing. Master is a masculine noun, the feminine (Why are feminists so offended by the feminine?) form is mistress. Change the way you speak and you’ll change the way you think. It takes practice but it can be done, quite easily.
As for nagging … bugger the ‘pity party’, throw a ‘who gives a fuck’ party of your own, and don’t invite her.
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Libyan men should react strongly against this and they must teach a good lesson to these dutch women.
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I’ve read more WW II history than you. And not just the “I vas a hero int der var.” type of self-glorification. So, hurling the SOP cliche PC Liberal You Are A Vile Bigot accusation is like a feminist accusing me I hate bitches.
Yep – those Dutchies. They really kicked the Germans out with their rousing resistance.
In fact, they were soooo effective, it only took them five years and until after Germany formally surrendered.
But, I’m not promoting a website/blog as you are; that’s the type YOU are.
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William Gruff wrote: ‘The trouble with shooting from the lip is that the ricochet tends to hit one in the foot … ‘
Firepower wrote: ‘I’ve read more WW II history than you. And not just the “I vas a hero int der var.” type of self-glorification. So, hurling the SOP cliche PC Liberal You Are A Vile Bigot accusation is like a feminist accusing me I hate bitches … ‘
William Gruff wrote: ‘… I don’t want to become embroiled in slanging matches with others here but I’m prepared to wager that you are one of those gung-ho, shoot first, ask questions later sorts of guys. Am I correct?‘
I see that I am.
As I said, the trouble with shooting from the lip is that the ricochet tends to hit one in the foot. Now hobble off and practice your marksmanship, but don’t use live rounds: you can’t have too many toes left.
I can’t be bothered to reply to any more of your incoherent dribbling. The last word is yours, if you can utter it without shooting off yet another of your rapidly disappearing toes.
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mav wrote: ‘Resistance is not as easy as you think … ‘
There’s a line in the novel The Cruel Sea which neatly encapsulates the dilemma and the motivation. It would be ‘insensitive’ to quote it here, not that I could, my copy of the book rotting in store two hundred miles away. Nonetheless, it is easy to go to war knowing that those you love are safe overseas and far away but when you can no longer defend them by fighting, because you have been defeated, as angry as you may be, love of them constrains your reactions, for fear of what might be done to them rather than yourself.
‘Tough guys’ talk tough because they’ve never had to be really tough. Men who have had to be really tough, and survived, rarely rebuke a man who has failed to be tough because they know what was required. Most of the really tough guys I’ve known have always given thanks that they were not found wanting when push came to shove.
Really tough guys don’t shout about being tough, and those who do are rarely tough.
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That’s what I wrote. ALL occupied countries were mostly helpless during the Occupation – because the majority of people didn’t have the resolve to drive the Germans out. You see the same craven actions today, in the “MRM” – even though the only “movement” comes after the morning shave.
You want to argue with Sir Willie Gruff, the Rest Stop Bear.
He’s the one who contrasts your excellent factual WW 2 accounts with fiction novels like The Cruel Sea.
hoo boy: thats some facts there
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Dear All:
Notice that on the helecopter, the word in the singular was, “Marine” and not, “Marines.” That was because the unit was naval and not a, “Marines” unit as per being the army of a navy.
The uniform rank slip-ons which the officers displayed were naval, not, “marines” ranks which typically parallel those of the army. In particular, the two officers were Naval Lieutenants.
For the Feminists who would wish to criticize the legitimate points made in by contributors to this whole discussion, the procedural matter of which service was portrayed pictorially would be used as a diversion.
In the French language, the word for, “Navy” is, “Marine” (in the singular, also).
Thanks to so many for such leigitimate comments.
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End of this story concerning woman in Dutch defence forces.
They have been released thursday, arrived in the Netherlands sat, 12th
Crew: 2nd lieutenant/pilot (woman), 2nd lieutenant/navigator and a sergeant/mechanic, doorgunner (males)
They have been treated well, not have been separated, got good food, drink and etc. TV and good whatch foreign channels as well.
Stayed in a pension, after two days moved to another location.
They have not been tortured, raped or whatever.
Scary for them was, especially concerning their family’s, may be years imprisonment.
The crew did thank especially the Greek for getting revealed.
Greek government: no ransomed money has been paid or special agreements were done.
The Lynx helicopter is kept by the Libians.
Which is a 33 year old naval MK25 (export version HAS 2) helicopter (1978), last ones will leave the Dutch Forces.
The pilot is a 2nd naval lieutenant OC (uniform rank slip).
As a marine her rank would have been captain, as well as in the Army or Air Force
Firepower: ‘That’s what I wrote. ALL occupied countries were mostly helpless during the Occupation – because the majority of people didn’t have the resolve to drive the Germans out’
Agreed
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Released … sorry for typing wrong
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Ladies, I hate to say ” I told you so”, but I TOLD YOU SO!!
When are female “marines” like Marines? Answer: When a fluffy, playful little toy poodle passes ‘guard dog’ muster for a killer Pit Bull!
Next Case!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!
David K. Meller
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