Offensive and Defensive Strategies and Tactics in the Gender War

by zed on February 26, 2011

I started this out as reply to a comment by Elusive Waipiti on this thread, regarding the reaction of the Manosphere to Kay Hymowitz’s latest man-bashing screed in the Wall Street Journal. But, it quickly became too long to bury in the comments to another post, and I think it is relevant enough to merit a post of its own.

I still think there was value in the strong manosphere reaction to Hymowitz’ blatant man-baiting.

I wasn’t saying that there was no value in it, EW. I really was playing wingman and coach and trying to point out the Game she was running.

When I was growing up, this was something men used to do for each other. I remember well one incident when I was a young horny fool having drinks in a bar with a guy about 5 years older than I was, who definitely had Game. Our waitress was a wholesomely pretty young woman in her early 20s who was engaging in friendly “waitress patter” which included lots of smiley references to hard times she was pluckily going through. I don’t remember the details but it was probably something like paying her way through school and having a sick mother and stuff like that. (This was long enough ago there would have been no “single mom” stories.)

After she flounced off, Larry cast me a sideways glance and said with smirking half smile – “She’s hustling us for a bigger tip.” That was all it took for me. The next time she came around I took a half step back from trying to play “big strong generous man out to rescue a girlie in distress and be her hero for a nanosecond” and watched her.

He was dead right.

I watched her dealing with other customers – working the eye contact, the strategic flash of a bit of discrete cleavage (this was over 30 years ago), the laughter at customers’ jokes she had probably heard thousands of times, the hair flips, the innocent almost accidental touches on the arm and shoulder. This girl was passing out IOIs like there was no tomorrow, and guys’ wallets were flying open like she had said “open sesame.”

I still left a generous tip, but probably nothing like what I would have dropped on her if Larry hadn’t clued me in.

So, my pointing out what Hymowitz was pulling was in the vein of pointing out the Game she is running, in order to do this -

while we are part of the amen choir, our brothers and sons may not yet be. How instructive was it for one of them to read Hymowitz’ article–consider that the problem may be indeed with him, as a male, like he’s been told his entire life–and then bam! He sees the reaction of other men who call shenanigans on the entire deal?

That part I totally agree with. I say lets go a step further and start to really pick apart her game, shenanigan by shenanigan.

Human beings have huge catalog of reactions controlled in the hind-brain or brain stem, and mediated by the hypothalamus. At least 99% of all our behavior is automatic and autonomic. We don’t have to remember to breathe, or blink, or have our skin raise goose pimples when we get a chill. A pretty girl with a pretty smile will bring a smile to man’s face without him ever having to think about it.

Most women are instinctively concert pianists when it comes to knowing how to play on and play these reactions in men. Bat their eyes, flip their hair, flash a smile, and most men’s IQ immediately drops 50 points.

In the past, cultures had value systems which restrained people from being too manipulative and destructive with their use of their ability to manipulate other people. For example, most people were aware that women had the power to “lead men on”, and would criticize it, not condone it.

And, more than anything else, what “women’s liberation” demanded was “liberation” from any restraints on their ability to manipulate men.

One of my earliest posts here was about how men need to hone their “rhetoric of ridicule.” Women are masters of using words to play on men’s emotions like they would play a violin, and I believe that men need to study their Game and learn not only how to defeat it, but to turn it back on them.

One of the most fundamental and powerful reaction complexes is something called the “fight flight syndrome.” All animals, humans included, respond to threats and attacks with systemic arousal which puts them in the best position to either fight back against the threat or flee from it. Higher processing centers in the brain are shut down, the bloodstream is flooded with adrenaline and other performance-enhancing hormones, senses become more acute, and reaction time is lowered.

It is the perfect way and time to use a feint to sucker a man into reacting in a less-than-intellectual manner.

Hymowitz’s screed was an all out, full scale, attack on men, delivered in a manner honed by women through millennia of practice – with words, and indirectly enough to be “plausibly deniable.”

In football, if the opposing team can sucker you into jumping off-side, you get a penalty. We need to study the other teams tactics and watch closely for false moves and be able to tell them from a real snap.

The most powerful method a man has to counter attempts to manipulate him is something which has been called the “Hypothalmic Pause.” In all reflexive behavior Response generally immediately follows Stimulus in the manner – S->R. In order to get control of his own reactions back from other people attempting to exploit them to his detriment, a man needs to insert a pause after the stimulus, get control of his autonomic responses, rev his higher order thought processes back up, and choose how he reacts instead of reacting instinctively which makes him utterly predictable – S->P->T-(c)R. After the Stimulus, Pause, Think about what is going on, and then choose your Reaction. Thus is the way of the superior man.

Think of the constant stream of man-bashing articles as the aerial shelling of the gender war. The entire purpose is to keep us in the emotional state of being under attack and keep us off balance so we respond instinctively, and predictably. Think of Hymowitz’s screed as simply another carpet-bombing run in the Blitz of the Gender War. She launched a shotgun attack against men, hoping that the sheer scale of her attack would throw men off balance. She got out a wire brush, jerked down their knickers, and proceeded to royally chap their asses in hopes their attention would be so focused on that they would not catch her palming the card for her next trick of parlor magic.

It succeeded to a large extent. Sure, a lot of guys rallied to do a pellet-by-pellet refutation of her BS, which was the entire point of flinging so much poo at them at once – to keep them busy and wear them out defending themselves on stupid idea after stupid idea that I am sure the mule-faced woman herself does not believe. But, as a tactic it achieved her strategic objective of putting men on the defensive, keeping them so busy with defending themselves against bullshit that their time would be wasted doing that instead of working on their own strategy and tactics.

The lack of any real research at all, even bogus “advocacy research”, was the telltale giveaway – known to gamblers simply as “the tell.” She just strung together a bunch of assertions that she knew would piss off men, and kept piling them on in the belief that if she kept going long enough she would find something to piss off just about anyone. And, all the hackles she raised would have the side benefit of putting money in her pockets as guys bought her book to try to tear apart one stupid argument at a time.

The most important strategy for men overall and individually is to take away women’s ability to control them through manipulation. The way we do this is not to go chasing one bullet or zinger at a time, trying to neutralize them one at a time, but to take out the sniper sending them our way. Imagine her book as a very loud, very foul smelling, verbal fart ripped by one of the matrons in the middle of the Royal Wedding. It was so loud that the minister was actually interrupted in his service, and stunk so bad that everyone sitting close to her moved as far away as they could.

Now, let’s really start to go for the jugular.

Now that we have gotten our reflexive instinctive reactions under control, what is she really saying? Look at the woman she chose to use for her example – a used up slag who by her own admission has been pumped and dumped by half the male population of Manhattan.

She is actually bitching about the inevitable consequences of “women’s liberation”, and caterwauling that women like this can’t find nice, stable, high-earning, accountants to finance the post-sluttitude lifestyles to which they would dearly love to become accustomed.

wine slag

Well, as the old saying goes – no shit, Sherlock.

As Mr. Price has already pointed out, there is no point in looking for a wife because most of what is out there on the market either look, or act, or both, like the woman in this picture.

And, to all the NAWALTs getting ready to swoop in with their NAWALTs, take your NAWALTs and shove them where the sun don’t shine.

What really frightens Hymowitz, and all the slags she is fronting for, is that the very targets of her attack are the men who have figured out the game and how to beat it. It is embarrassingly pathetic to watch her to try to invoke the very social values that feminists have worked for the past 5 decades to destroy, in order to sucker young men into rescuing these slags from the inescapable consequences of the destruction of those values.

Too late, carp-breath.

As Mr. Price says, the game is wearing out for some of us. Younger men have figured out that there simply are no jobs any more which would allow them to live up to their old roles, they have been raised their entire lives with those old traditional roles having been spat upon, so Skadi/Lara/Kathy Hymowitz’s complaints about them are falling on deaf ears.

Unfortunately, the only young men left who are ripe for the plucking of either being some Yugo grrl slag’s kitchen bitch, or to finance her impulses to Eat, Pray, and Love, are the unfortunate sons of traditionalists who are turning to cannibalism and offering their own sons up to be cannon fodder for the industrial war machine of the Divorce Industry. Younger guys like Ferdinand Barmanu are of the opinion that the Baby Boomers are out to kill him.

In the case of women like Hymowitz, Ferd is probably correct – they would happily boil him in a pot to give some used up slag just one more shopping trip to Nordstrom’s. They have not one tiny shred of care or concern for the well being of men – only fear that women’s sense of entitlement may go unmet. Arguing with them, trying to refute the things they say that even they know are lies even as they say them, isn’t going to accomplish anything.

It is an utter and complete waste of our time, as well as a very foul betrayal of our brothers and sons, to bother fisking what any feminist – right wing or left wing – says detail by detail, and then turn around and give a male voice to the same message and harass them with RealMansprecht

Articles like this are indicative of a last gasp attempt to salvage a hopeless situation. They are nothing more than the latest incarnation of a White Feather Campaign being used as a last ditch attempt to try to sucker young men into sacrificing themselves to bail some used up whore out of the consequences of her own feminist-inspired choices, trying to send them to their deaths which will only serve the agendas of others, by shaming them.

These boys have the right idea, and I suspect that more than a few of them really don’t need older manginas and former manginas rushing to their defense. All they need us to do is to not side with their enemies.

Of all the fisking of this article that went on, I think The Damned Olde Man nailed it best, it is all, and only, about women’s sense of entitlement –

Kay seems to believe that women are entitled to a man who will support them in marriage and after divorce. Women are entitled to take a man’s children and demand that he hand over his paycheck until they’re grown. Women are entitled to men who are willing to go die for them. Women are also entitled to reject men entirely if they so choose. But men are entitled to none of it.

Instead, men should be happy to find a promiscuous slut who already has a couple of kids for him to support and who will live with him just long enough to produce a couple more before leaving him and claiming that she is now entitled to half his stuff and lifelong support payments under threat of allegations that he was abusive.

Sorry Kay, men don’t want the nightmare offered by the modern, liberated women.

Kay H: “Men, MAN UP!!”
Men: “No. Now shut up and go away.”

End of discussion

Know how to win every argument with a woman?
“Argue with my ass, bitch, I’m late for the door.”

There is a huge amount of discussion here and thousands of other places on the web about macro strategy – how do we change the entire culture and its values to conform to what we want? Those discussions are useful, but they are long term and it is likely that many of us will not see any results in our lifetimes. Whatever happens, for the time being it really is “every man for himself”, and every man has to come up with an individual strategy which will work for himself to survive the years between now and when the new Garden of Eden gets established on earth.

My strategy is fairly simple. I have often quipped that the best way to kill a bad idea is to implement it as fully and quickly as possible, and to make sure everyone knows who is responsible for the idea so they know who to blame when it goes bad. If you fight it and allow it to be implemented a little bit at a time, its advocates can paint you as obstructive and reactionary. They can claim that all the world’s problems would be solved by their plan, and blame those who oppose it for those problems not being solved.

Implementing it rapidly and without opposition allows its failures to be immediately apparent, and the people who suggested it are viewed as idiots by those that got hurt by the idea.

Before feminism, women had by far the better half of the deal. A real re-balancing of the social roles would have benefitted men as much or more than women. But, feminism has remained true to its name – FEMININE-ism – and has been relentless in securing as many possible entitlements for women as they could, while leaving nothing at all on the table for men.

Well, with nothing on the table for men, there is no reason for men to continue to sit there and put bread on it simply because women feel entitled to forcing men to do that. So, the men have left the building – to the women who wanted to be men.

Welcome to the world that feminism built for you, grrls. Women are now the new men. Now, go get ‘em.

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Alcuin February 26, 2011 at 08:16

Great article.

Reagan said, “I didn’t leave the Democrats. The Democrats left me.” What feminists don’t realize is that men didn’t leave Western civilization. Western civilization left men. Because of feminism. Now they complain that they can’t find enough useful idiots.

As Zed says, the only solution is to leave and build our own lives. Why bother?

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Migu February 26, 2011 at 08:43

Women have denied men their children. Men need a plan for old age. Eventually men need a plan for women.

My strategy is fairly simple. I have often quipped that the best way to kill a bad idea is to implement it as fully and quickly as possible, and to make sure everyone knows who is responsible for the idea so they know who to blame when it goes bad.

This works every time. It is painful for awhile though, but it always works.

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Uncle Elmer February 26, 2011 at 08:52

I have seen the stripper/barmaid ploy a thousand times. Sarah Palin is using it on the entire country right now. She will tease this drunken sailor of a nation for all she can get until the pockets are empty and the barf is all over the floor.

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mananon February 26, 2011 at 08:56

It’s like I said before:

‘Sisters are doing it for themselves, because men have better things to do.’

Women are now realising they might need/want men after all, just as men start to wake up to the fact that they don’t need or want women.

Oh the irony…

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Paul February 26, 2011 at 08:58

In the crude lexicon of Game there are two types of men – suckers and fuckers.

The last Spearhead article referenced a woman who wrote about her erotic adventures in Italy while her new husband was stuck back in the Sates waiting for his passport. And while her story was probably mostly masturbatory fiction (I have seen her picture), it does reveal an insight into the nature of women.

A woman wants the mysterious sexy man who will seduce her while she is vacationing in an exotic land. But she also wants the good man who will fix her plumbing, clean out the gutters, provide health insurance, mow the lawn, take out the trash and marry her. The sexy bad boy get rewarded with wild sex, the good man get rewarded with an ass raping in Family Court.

Guys such as Roissy have argued, why be the married man (the sucker) when you can learn the tools be the romantic lover (the fucker)?

The Traditionalists and Feminists can yell and scream at Roissy and call him an immature misogynist. But when women read, watch and celebrate books and movies which laud and praise female unfaithfulness, they are confirming Roissy’s central message. Why be a sucker when you can be the fucker?

And once the supply of men willing to be suckers vanishes, the whole feminist house of cards will collapse.

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Uncle Elmer February 26, 2011 at 09:11

I posted this on the previous thread :

Someone posted a huffpo link on “where have all the good men…”

The “generation wars” link unnervingly looks like my sister and her daughter.

Then there’s the “advice for job losers” link with a 10 point list for how to cope with job loss, which he says “These 10 pointers may not work all the time. ”

Actually they don’t work at all anytime. The people who write these advice columns have apparently never had a job yet are gushing with advice on how to cope with losing one.

I am tempted to submit an essay here on Uncle Elmer’s methods for scratching up work. For men only, of course.

Fellas, join with me in boycotting huffpo. They were just bought for $350M. For what? A bank of servers and a loyal commentary? They are 100% geared at women; your clicks and comments are filling their trough..

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DrDave February 26, 2011 at 09:14

Sarcastic cutting remarks with logic coupled with strategic ignoring have usually worked pretty well for me. No arguing, don’t stand there and reason with a creature 90% of which are incapable of reasoning and logic. Arguing with women is what they want because it gives them the attention/validation they crave. Women can’t stand to be ignored and off-the-cuff cutting but honest remarks combined with strategic ignoring and enjoying life on your own terms will deny them the opportunity to play drama queen.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 09:30

OT.
How do divorce your wife….hysterical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkhZvs3rhQg&feature=player_embedded

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 09:32

OT. But a great new find.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7fPlj1u1Q&feature=related

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oddsock February 26, 2011 at 09:42

Excellent explanation Zed. I tell as many young guys as possible even some as old as myself that women are master manipulators. Despite this we still have many men thinking NAWALT. Strange how we see those same guys appearing on all the MRA sites with tales of woe along the lines of “I wish I had Listened”. So many think they will be lucky and guys like me are just bitter old losers.

If it flys floats or fecks your better off renting.

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Herbal Essence February 26, 2011 at 09:52

Unfortunately, the best we’re ever going to get from the majority of women is “I understand why you’re angry, but I was never like those other women.”
And watch the shaming language come back to the surface when we respond, “Well maybe you weren’t like that, but I still don’t want anything to do with you.”

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 10:08

Zed,

“Those discussions are useful, but they are long term and it is likely that many of us will not see any results in our lifetimes.”

I disagree. For me? Feminism is pretty much dead. It no longer affects me more than I simply do not tell people in the office my view of women because women will do the usual ‘victim’ thing. The very fact that I know full well women will do the ‘victim’ thing tells me women are beneath contempt. I DO tell the young men I deal with these things in private. They are very thankful that I do so in most cases. Manginas will ask for me to stop as what I am telling them is too horrible for them to contemplate. They got the ‘one’ who is ‘not like that’. Sure.

Men are their own worst enemy in these cases. In the UK I was off to work one Monday. The concierge had obviously been crying. He was obviously distraught. I asked him what was wrong. His wife had kicked him out the day before and he had two kids 8 and 10. He’s a concierge. He’s not making much. He’s doing his best. I sat with him for a while. I told him about how I could help him. I told him how I would do it for free, even give him money if it was needed. He thanked me for my offer but decided to ‘go it alone’. I told him it’s not a fair fight. That the cops, courts, lawyers were all against him. They are all criminals. Nope. He went alone anyway.

It breaks my heart to see good men turn down help when they actually really need it. It breaks my heart even more when I know that what I have done has the potential to transform how relationships work in the future and not even the men who are awake to the situation will help me roll this out. And while they don’t? More men like my concierge off themselves. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

“I have often quipped that the best way to kill a bad idea is to implement it as fully and quickly as possible, and to make sure everyone knows who is responsible for the idea so they know who to blame when it goes bad.”

And you would be right Zed. This is why, in the book, are two affidavits. One for lawful equality to a man and one for chattel property to a man. Young men might start demanding women write down what this ‘equality’ they have been demanding really means. Let’s implement ‘lawful equality’ that women so demanded and see how they like that. It is a central theme to what I have been proposing. I bet, when faced with LAWFUL equality many women take chattel property.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 10:13

Zed,

“Think of the constant stream of man-bashing articles as the aerial shelling of the gender war. The entire purpose is to keep us in the emotional state of being under attack and keep us off balance so we respond instinctively, and predictably.”

True again. Women abuse men and accuse them of all sorts of ‘crimes’ and if the man, like me, ignores them or rebuts them then the women appeal to the MANGINAS to ‘do something to save little old me’. This was exampled in spades by a woman called ‘Diane’ on the Irish Free Man site. She decided I was a bastard and she attacked me with slander and lies. I called her the liar and hypocrite she is and her NEXT step was “aren’t any of you men here man enough to defend me?” The obviousness of her admission she is inferior to me is not a problem for her. So she motivated a few men to attack me and I cut them off at the knees.

However. I have played that game long enough. I believe there is no longer ANY need for ANY man to respond to the shit that Kay HorrorHead and her fem-Nazi sisters put out because they have put so much evidence into the public domain now no man can take them seriously. I propose men simply take the following response to women:

“Until women are 51% of war dead, workplace dead, homeless, incarcerate, alimony payers and child support payers. Until women have given meaning remedy for all the crimes their sisters have committed with false allegations (perjury) and stealing mens kids and the child abuse that is. I don’t want to talk to you. If you are not PERSONALLY campaigning for these things? I label you the liar and hypocrite you are.”

Simple as. There is NO REASON to rebut women because they are liars and hypocrites in the main and must simply be called that based on the evidence they are NOT working towards the goals of that quote.

For the Manginas? I have created the Man-Hating, White Knighting, Mangina Apologist Test. Link below.

It is a simple test that takes 5 minutes. It is 8 questions. The sexes and situations reversed in the second 4 questions.

I would encourage ALL young men (and perhaps older men too) to challenge men who white knight to answer these questions. Put the manginas feet to the fire. I am prepared to label ANY man who will NOT answer all 8 questions with ‘yes’ as a mangina. (Unless, of course, he answers all 8 with a ‘NO’.) Men are welcome to reproduce the link/text anywhere they like.

The man-o-sphere has taken a big step forward these last 2 years. Now? It is time to put the sword to women and their lies and hypocrisy by simply telling them to go away until they have achieved 51% in those categories and processed all the backlog of criminal cases against criminal women. They don’t need our help to do that. And it is time to put the sword to any man who will not answer all 8 of these questions with the SAME answer. All yes or all no. Simple as.

I would encourage every young man that if some older guy, like my age, will not take the mangina test or will not respond with 8 yeses? That the young men simply tell the older man he is not worthy of any respect from the younger generation. When young men start telling older men “I have no respect for you because you don’t deserve it” you might see a few older men start to question themselves a little more.

http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/57/threadid/702/scope/posts/Default.aspx

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Keyster February 26, 2011 at 10:17

No one could ever accuse you of not cutting to the bone Zed.

They played their sexual power (game) on men for so long until they wore it out. Imagine their shock and gall of discovering a man’s sexual interest in them had it’s limitations; the whole dynamic comes crumbling down around them. That’s the period we’re entering right now.

No diatribes by Hymowitz, Kimmel, Parker or Guy Garcia meant to shame men into yet a whole other level of submission to women will change the course we’re on. The “table” has been swept clean.

It’s NOT feminism. It’s not feminists. It’s not Women’s Liberation. It’s not Equal Rights for Women. Nope, it’s none of those things. Yet once again it’s all men’s fault…shame, shame, shame on you for being such bad boys!

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 10:18

Well put Zed. I caught onto her game ( nothing but the same old sh*t being played) I didn’t need to read her article. The title of the article was cue enough. Hanna Rosin pulls the same crap with her “end of men” sh*t.

How many ways can you prepare an omelet that stinks?

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Lovekraft February 26, 2011 at 10:19

Re the Baby Boomers, I am also of the opinion that they have a lot to answer for. Here in Canada, they were caught up in Trudeaumania, which was a group-gasm of Anti-Americanism, Anti-Capitalism and Anti-Christianity. Decades later, our country is around $600 billion in debt, deficits are the order of the day with public administration being a wasteful, bloated enterprise.

Growing up, Baby Boomers were generally kowtowed, not willing to show any desire to shake things up, to question where we are going, too complacent and meek. Beh.

I for one will take every opportunity to impart to the next generation how f’ed up things are and to tell the youth to think for themselves. Feminism/Marxism/liberalism are amoral, deceitful and violent structures.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 10:26

Uncle Elmer February 26, 2011 at 09:11
“Fellas, join with me in boycotting huffpo. They were just bought for $350M. For what? A bank of servers and a loyal commentary? They are 100% geared at women; your clicks and comments are filling their trough..”

Yes guys….don’t point to the wimminz sites unless it is to send wimminz there. For the young men? Just keep banging the drum. “5% is the new 50% if you happen to be a man.”

We are getting through to the young men. It’s taken some time. But we ARE getting through to them. You can see it in the comments on newspapers. This is why now is the time to change tack and tell the women they need to ‘man-up’ because we are NOT dealing with them until they do.

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David F. February 26, 2011 at 10:36

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 10:37

Keyster February 26, 2011 at 10:17

It’s just another inane attempt to shame every human being that possesses the “X” chromosome” into her BS trap.

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finndistan February 26, 2011 at 10:40

Wow. Just wow.

The quality of the writings on Spearhead are getting better and better, with every passing day.

The calmness in this post should be frightening. This is not written by an angry man, a creep or a bitter man.

It is written by a man who can put a long line of words into meaning, a man who also has resigned from using that intelligence resource for the benefit of society/women.

That’s it.

(That the author wrote this piece is proof for him not resigning to use his resources for other kinds of good)

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Keyster February 26, 2011 at 10:40

It’s a “War on Women!”. Their reproductive rights and “essential” healthcare are “under attack!” by Republicans in Wash. D.C.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/opinion/26sat1.html

And don’t forget, this isn’t just about women, it’s for the children too.
It’s almost too horrific to bear.

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 10:55

David F. February 26, 2011 at 10:36

“I think Hymowitz was responding to the Atlantic “end of men” article by trying to gently introduce the idea that women’s successes led to the marginalization of men, which in turn led to a disappointing sexual marketplace. For purely self-interested reasons, women should take some interest in the effect of feminism on men.

Hymowitz was writing for urban women, and coding her article to appeal to female narcissism.”

No offense against or toward you but, if she meant to do such, why wasn’t she addressing women/womyn in her article? Men should not be shamed for what some, if not most/all women do.

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DavidV February 26, 2011 at 10:56

Hey guys,
I am a moderate fairly traditional MRA and got married five months ago. When I read articles like this I fear I may have made the wrong choice. Yet my wife respects me and takes her role as homebuilder seriously.
Is there still hope for my ilk? Or is MGTOW really the only way now?

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 10:57

“Men should not be shamed for what some, if not most/all women do.”

Except fot those “men (white knights/manginas) who allow/support/supplicate/authorize/enable/empower them to do so.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 10:58

OT.
wow…20,000 views. Listen to his description of women and their personality disorders. Sounds like my ex! You guys should watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZHKCbHGlS0&NR=1

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King Alfred February 26, 2011 at 10:58

Quote: “Kay seems to believe that women are entitled to a man who will support them in marriage and after divorce. Women are entitled to take a man’s children and demand that he hand over his paycheck until they’re grown. Women are entitled to men who are willing to go die for them. Women are also entitled to reject men entirely if they so choose. But men are entitled to none of it.”

Quote “Well, with nothing on the table for men, there is no reason for men to continue to sit there and put bread on it simply because women feel entitled to forcing men to do that. So, the men have left the building – to the women who wanted to be men.”

Pure gold. Several generations of men have been force-fed a steady diet of “strong, independent, empowered women-who-don’t-need-no-stinking-man” Kool-Aid. It is strange to realize that they hate their independence far more than they could ever have hated their “historical oppression.” Several women I know have confided that they really wish things could just go back to the “traditional system” where they could cast all their burdens on a husband. The problem is, there simply is no incentive for a successful man to marry, and there are many incentives not to. Interestingly, during all my years of acquiring education, it was very difficult to attract much attention from women my age due to my lack of status and money. Ever since I completed my professional studies, earned the professional title of “Doctor,” and got a high-paying, “respectable” job, women began paying much more attention to me. Even my female colleagues often say, “I just want to be a stay-at-home mom and raise kids.” After all those years as cutthroat competitors, they now want high-status men to take them home, pamper them, and pay off all their student loans while they watch soap operas and eat bon-bons. Shaming, lies, and fraud don’t work so well on men anymore. So women are upset about our society? Well ladies, you broke it, you bought it. You might have thought about being a little nicer to men back when they were interested in you. Good luck with your empowered independence.

I believe it was Pearl Buck in the 1950’s who said that we shouldn’t worry about trying to fight communism; if we just left it alone and stopped propping it up, it would quickly collapse under its own weight. I expect the same is true of feminism. I’ll have my bag of popcorn and my soda ready as I watch the show- from a safe distance.

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 10:58

fot should be for

I remain the King of typos.

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aharon February 26, 2011 at 11:12

Zed,

There were so many great thoughts and words of wisdom in your article that I could write a book in reply. I’m not even going to attempt writing much commentary which is unusual for me. Please tell me that the quote below is not copyrighted. It’s perfect. :)

Kay H: “Men, MAN UP!!”
Men: “No. Now shut up and go away.”

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zed February 26, 2011 at 11:26

They played their sexual power (game) on men for so long until they wore it out. Imagine their shock and gall of discovering a man’s sexual interest in them had it’s limitations; the whole dynamic comes crumbling down around them. That’s the period we’re entering right now.

No diatribes by Hymowitz, Kimmel, Parker or Guy Garcia meant to shame men into yet a whole other level of submission to women will change the course we’re on. The “table” has been swept clean.

Women have enthusiastically thrown away the majority of their weapons to use against men – their role as keepers of the home hearth, their ability to do those things on which most people’s lives depended, their modesty and good reputation. All they have left now are sex and shame, and they have been busily using one to destroy the other – if “all sex is rape” (as the “rayyypppe culture hysterics would have us believe) then there is no way to shame the men who choose to forgo “rayyyping” women. I’m seeing among very young men a sort of “proud to be abstinent” kind of attitude.

Women are now victims of their own stereotypes of men. The sex drive is strong, but not strong enough to stand up to the onslaught of attacking it and its results from every direction. The most pathetic sight these days are middle-aged and older women who have not woken up to the fact that they have gotten older and so have the men who might be their potential mates. The courtship requirements that an 18-27 y/o hard-body can demand are actually reversed in a dried up old hag of 50-60. They have to pay men to date them instead of men paying for dates with them.

Dalrock has a whole series on post-marital spinsterhood and how clueless middle-aged women are getting suckered into throwing away perfectly good marriages to chase ridiculous fantasies.

And that leaves them with their only weapon left being shaming tactics. And, those don’t work for two reasons.

1) The entire cultural value system on which they depend for their ability to make a man feel badly for not living up to those cultural expectations has been completely destroyed. When a slag like “Julie” gets a free pass to hump anything with a pulse, and gets praised for it, any person who would condone that and at the same time expect men to act like it is still 1955 is going to be considered a mental cripple and the only appropriate response is to laugh at her.

2) The personal attacks which are intended to induce shame in their targets have be so overused that men are simply habituated to them. Over-stimulation leads to under response. How many people actually read billboards any more? Most people drive past them and don’t even register them on their consciousness as anything more than gray blobs. And, that is what women have made themselves into – gray blobs who endlessly gush personal attacks against men which men hear as “blah, blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.”

Batty old Aunt Kay is at it again – sitting in her upstairs parlor speaking in tongues.

Someone do her and all the rest of us a favor and go get her another bottle of Mad Dog 20/20. Too bad we can’t get laudanum any more. I suppose Prozac will have to do. ;)

zed February 26, 2011 at 11:27

Please tell me that the quote below is not copyrighted.

Kay H: “Men, MAN UP!!”
Men: “No. Now shut up and go away.”

Nope, it’s not. Use it to your heart’s content.

aharon February 26, 2011 at 11:30

Hey guys, I am a moderate fairly traditional MRA and got married five months ago. When I read articles like this I fear I may have made the wrong choice. Yet my wife respects me and takes her role as homebuilder seriously. Is there still hope for my ilk? Or is MGTOW really the only way now?

There is always some hope. Then there are also facts and statistical realities. Good luck to you whatever your decision and future events. BTW, what is a “fairly traditional MRA”?

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Anti Idiocy February 26, 2011 at 11:34

Great fuckin’ essay, Zed.

+10.

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zed February 26, 2011 at 11:40

Is there still hope for my ilk? Or is MGTOW really the only way now?

Most people severely misunderstand MGTOW. It cannot be characterized because there are as many ways to do it as there are men doing it. It is as simple as it sounds – each man has to choose his own way – that’s it.

If getting married is your way, then great – we hope you live long and prosper. If you got one of the NAWALTs, good on you.

The point is not to hammer on any guy who still wants to marry – knowing all the pitfalls of marriage today – but rather tell those who are hammering on all men to marry, regardless of the risks, to go pound sand.

The thing is that some of us know that there simply are not enough NAWALTs to go around for all of us, and some of us aren’t willing to settle for a used up, STD infested, slag as our consolation prize.

Lovekraft February 26, 2011 at 11:45

DavidV: “I am a moderate fairly traditional MRA and got married five months ago. When I read articles like this I fear I may have made the wrong choice. Yet my wife respects me and takes her role as homebuilder seriously.
Is there still hope for my ilk? Or is MGTOW really the only way now?”

FYI, there are some married MRAs, the main one that comes to mind is Dalrock, whose blog has the byline “thoughts from a happily married father on a post feminist world” . He does offer some great insight into how to keep a marriage intact while not succumbing to feminist lunacy.

Being in a relationship while advancing the MRA cause are not mutually exclusive, and is needed in order to present hope for similar men. The main gist of their insight is in how to maintain some level of ‘hand’.

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 11:47

zed February 26, 2011 at 11:26

Maybe some of these young men might need to watch the video by Meatloaf; ” Paradise by the dashboard light”.

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aharon February 26, 2011 at 11:51

The most pathetic sight these days are middle-aged and older women who have not woken up to the fact that they have gotten older and so have the men who might be their potential mates…The entire cultural value system on which they depend for their ability to make a man feel badly for not living up to those cultural expectations has been completely destroyed. …The personal attacks which are intended to induce shame in their targets have be so overused that men are simply habituated to them.

The older wanna-be princesses are an amazing sight to observe. Sometimes I’ve gone to read personal ads by women, not for an interest to date them simply one to see what is going on in their grey matter. So many women are so delusional. They just don’t get it. So many women are such omnivorous pigs, entitled sexists, and worthless idiots.

Modern women and the New New Left will only be able to shame and manipulate a few men with ‘Man Up!’ into marriage though we will hear much of that propaganda for awhile. Some men will feel those words as an additional whip strike across their backs by women and society.

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zed February 26, 2011 at 11:54

The calmness in this post should be frightening. This is not written by an angry man,

Behold the power of the “Hypothalamic Pause.” ;)

DavidV February 26, 2011 at 12:05

@aharon
By a fairly traditional MRA I mean someone who believes that due to biologicaly and culturally mediated differences between the sexes, traditional gender roles are still the most appropriate arrangement for the majority of couples. I am of course aware that feminist inspired legislation has skewed marriage and turned it into a bad deal for men and this is one of the reasons why I am increasingly active in the MRA movement.
As a moderate MRA I have to admit that my emotional health has improved since entering a commited relationship. We do young men a disservice if we do not talk about the (hopefully lifelong) stability and companionship that a monogamous relationship brings.
Marriage was good for men (and women) before it was “reconstructed” by feminists. It is now time for the MRM to change the paradigms of marriage to the benefit of all society.
Thanks to all of you brothers for welcoming me here and engaging in discussion.

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TFH February 26, 2011 at 12:05

There is a tactic that leftists use to get to their goals that I detest. But given the unique nature of this situation, I am going to advocate it here, as both necessary and effective.

Read carefully :

Feminists say so many over-the-top things, and with idiotic manginas defending them, they not only say things that no man could get away with if the genders were reversed, but that no man would even want to say about the other gender.

A lot of MRA types go to comments sections, and logically rebut the point in articles from people like Kay Hymowitz. That is fine, and often useful, as it teaches men who *could* get it, but never had everything pointed out to them (men in ‘Group A’ as I call them).

But there is a second strategy that should also be used alongside this.

It can be effective to pretend to be feminists who make feminists look bad. Say something that feminists already say, but just make it a tiny bit more over-the-top and extreme (say, 10 to 20% more extreme). Keep linking to quotes by Mary Daly saying that 90% of men are of no use and should be exterminated. Keep saying things that are extreme, but still could possibly be a welcome comment at Feministing or Jizzabel.

When other men in the comments see feminists agreeing with you, and manginas defending you, it will open the eyes of more men in Group A. When such men see other men being called ‘misogynists’ but no peep about a feminist saying very extreme things, more lightbulbs will go off in the minds of men in Group A.

Don’t go TOO far though (even when linking to Mary Daly). Make sure you still stay on the fringes of what would still be a typical misandric comment at Feministing of Jizzabel.

This is a tactic out of the left’s playbook, but we could use it here to good effect. The fact that almost no women condemn feminism, and a large portion of men are manginas, seems like a daunting obstacle, but tactics like this can overcome it.

Force feminists and manginas to reveal what they consider an acceptable level of misandry (which happens to be much more than most men realize). Expose this at mainstream website comment sections by being an undercover agent.

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DavidV February 26, 2011 at 12:16

@TFH
A cunning and extremely useful idea.
Another trick I have used is to find extreme comments on feminist threads and mirror their language whilst reversing the genders. This tends to make some feminists aware of their misandry and double standards.

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 12:32

zed February 26, 2011 at 11:54
The calmness in this post should be frightening. This is not written by an angry man,

Behold the power of the “Hypothalamic Pause.”

Even though I sometimes write angry; What You said !

IT IS CORRECT! The wise know this. You know what I mean when I say; ATTADUDE!

Attadude rhymes whith attitude (correctness in attitude)

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Muk February 26, 2011 at 12:35

Wth does “NAWALT” mean? Context clues aren’t helping at all

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 12:38

Zed, you also posses great and correct ( not “politically correct” [ an oxymoron] attitude). Please continue to explimlify (sp ?) natural man human nature. Though I have broken the leash/chains that feminism had me wrongfully bound in, I am still trying to set the same naturally correct example.

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David F. February 26, 2011 at 12:40

@Robert: “No offense against or toward you but, if she meant to do such, why wasn’t she addressing women/womyn in her article? Men should not be shamed for what some, if not most/all women do.”

One of the best ways to get around an emotional defensive response is to hide your point inside flattery, (i.e. “Smart people like ourselves know that the real solution is…”.

Knowing what you do about how women think, would women be more likely to read and agree with an article entitled:
a. “Time to reassess feminism”
or
b. “Where have the good men gone?”

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Lavazza February 26, 2011 at 12:41

DavidV:

“Another trick I have used is to find extreme comments on feminist threads and mirror their language whilst reversing the genders. This tends to make some feminists aware of their misandry and double standards.”

Really? I have tried that several times and it has never worked in that way.

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Lavazza February 26, 2011 at 12:42

Muk: NAWALT means “Not All Women Are Like That”

MDTT means Men Do That To.

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 12:43

posses shouls be possess.

Zed, you and a GREAT many Men, are not simply gentlemen and scholars, YOU ARE TEACHERS! Word to those men, yes even young men, who WANT TO LEARN; read and pay attention. What you read/learn her IS worth more than its’ weight in precious materials/”nnedful things”.

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zed February 26, 2011 at 12:45

Wth does “NAWALT” mean? Context clues aren’t helping at all

Not All Women Are Like That. It is used in shorthand form to snarkily drive home the point that it is so predictable and so over-used that it has become meaningless. It is used, just like the catalog of anti-male shaming tactics to derail any discussion of the excesses of some women.

The insinuation is that until all women are “like that”, we are forbidden to even speak of the ones who are. That is one of the reasons why a lot of men view most women as being complicit in allowing the excesses of feminism to continue.

The fundamental issue being denied is that in a game of Russian Roulette, “not all” the cylinders are loaded, either. But, the one that is will be so destructive that the ones which won’t destroy you don’t offer enough potential reward to offset the risk of that one that is loaded – even if it is in the minority.

Robert February 26, 2011 at 13:03

David F. February 26, 2011 at 12:40
@Robert: “No offense against or toward you but, if she meant to do such, why wasn’t she addressing women/womyn in her article? Men should not be shamed for what some, if not most/all women do.”

One of the best ways to get around an emotional defensive response is to hide your point inside flattery, (i.e. “Smart people like ourselves know that the real solution is…”.

Knowing what you do about how women think, would women be more likely to read and agree with an article entitled:
a. “Time to reassess feminism”

I choose answer C . It is past high time for women to see feminism for what it truely is and toss it into the incinerator to be burned forever. It is a clever, CONniving, venomous, destructive, titilating, seductive, etc. thing. It is more than a methodology. It destroys everyone/everything it comes into contact. Wether that contact be consensual or not. Those it destroys the slowest are women and girls. They succumb to its’ effects/affects and are destroyed according to how it values them. The human will is at the mercy of the human who possesses it. Would I be fair in saying; Everytime a women/man dinegrates a man, they are dinegrating themselves ? All human being are; relative. We have all been born on the same planet. Let any feminist ( male or female) prove this wrong. Let feminists prove to me that they do not require the same as other men and and women. We all neecair, water and, food to live. Let them tell me they do not need any contact with other human beings. I will be waiting for their answer.

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Robert February 26, 2011 at 13:05

Men must also see feminism for what it is. AWAKEN MEN AND BOYS!

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DavidV February 26, 2011 at 13:09

@Lavazza
Of course most feminists are just intellectually dishonest or plain stupid. However, I have found that trick to work sometimes. Occasionally some feminists have used it against me but many “double standards” that they harp on about can usually be justified by common sense biological determinism.
Great cup of coffee by the way.

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TFH February 26, 2011 at 14:02

Not All Women Are Like That. It is used in shorthand form to snarkily drive home the point that it is so predictable and so over-used that it has become meaningless.

Note that the very definition of feminism is :

“Punish men for the actions of 1% of men, while excusing women from the actions of 80% of women.”

DavidV,

is to find extreme comments on feminist threads and mirror their language whilst reversing the genders. This tends to make some feminists aware of their misandry and double standards.

You appear to be new to all this, my friend.

You will soon find that feminists are not the least perturbed when their extreme hypocrisy is pointed out. In fact, if you do what you describe above, before long, you will learn the grim truth about how feminists have no problem at all with blatant double standards.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 14:26

zed February 26, 2011 at 11:26
I’m seeing among very young men a sort of “proud to be abstinent” kind of attitude.

True that….here is one young man I helped wake up…..he woke himself up. I just lent him a hand. Notice he then woke up 18 more young men last year alone. He sometimes skypes me and just rattles off the list of questions that have occured to him and notes all my answers down. It is this young man I quote in the book written through me.

One of his most startling experiences during his awakening was that he went to a wedding for a man and woman in their 40s. It was done as a ‘western theme’. SHE actually had a ‘decoration’ of a HANGMANS NOOSE at the wedding. The lad COULD NOT BELIEVE IT WAS SO OBVIOUS WHAT WAS GOING ON. But the mangina laughed off the fact his BRIDE had a hangmans noose at his wedding. As Trogdor said to me in email. If the mangina saw a NOOSE at his wedding and didn’t call it off? He deserves all the shit coming his way. (He even sent me the photos. Yep. There was a hangmans noose all right!)

I got this great email from trogdor urging me to never give up on young guys like him. And I won’t. Even though most older men have. My very first goal was to save one young man my troubles. Well I FAR exceeded that.

http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/new-members-introduction/97-trogdor005s-intro.html

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TFH February 26, 2011 at 14:30

Kay H: “Men, MAN UP!!”
Men: “No. Now shut up and go away.”

Change the ‘No’ to ‘Okay.’

Therefore :

Kay H: “Men, MAN UP!!”
Men: “Okay. Now shut up and go away.”

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MobilePT February 26, 2011 at 14:34

One possible rejoinder to a NAWALT response: “Oh yes, you’re absolutely right! Why just this morning I saw women who aren’t like that down in the fairy meadow talking to the pink unicorns.”

@aharon: “The older wanna-be princesses are an amazing sight to observe.”

Ugh! This time of year I find myself taking various indoor exercise classes overpopulated with fat, barren old cows, mincing about in front of the few men in the class, who do their best to ignore them so as not to lose their breakfast on the floor. These women . . . really . . . just . . . don’t . . . get it. Recently, I looked around and out of about 30 women, only three had what I would consider attractive hair. Most had gray, short wedgies, which nicely accentuated their pear-shaped figures.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 14:36

Robert February 26, 2011 at 13:05
Men must also see feminism for what it is. AWAKEN MEN AND BOYS!

Yep…I focus on waking the young men up. I talk to young guys in shops, pubs, the office…where ever I find young men? I tell them about “5% is the new 50% if you happen to be a man”.

90%+ are glad I take an interest. 10% flat out reject it. That’s a good average.

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aharon February 26, 2011 at 14:46

Urban Dictionary

repeated endlessly by women to men in hope that if men hear
NAWALT frequently enough, they’ll believe it.

the reality is that all women ARE like that (manipulative, abusive, sociopathic, destructive, drama-oriented, liars).
guy: my ex-wife stole my money, house, children, car, and had me sent to jail on 9 different false accusations of abuse.

woman: NAWALT

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 26, 2011 at 14:53

Robert February 26, 2011 at 12:43
“Zed, you and a GREAT”

That he is Robert. And young men ought to be thanking their lucky stars Zed has campaigned for them longer than most of them have been alive. And they ought to fling some money his way to give him some nice holidays with his bike and decent accommodation so he can put his feet up and know that young men appreciated his many years of labour. Just my opinion.

Men today do NOT show their appreciation for men who help them enough. In days gone past? When someone did you a favour? You bought him and his wife a nice meal. If they did you a BIG favour you bought him and his wife a nice holiday. I have no idea how many meals people bought me…and I picked up a few nice ‘weekends away’ from people as well….not least of them from IBM.

The comeraderie of men has muchly disappeared in the west now. Especially in helping each other out. A man can beg for help among thousands of capable men and be totally ignored. This NEVER happened when I was younger. When I was younger? If a man asked for help? You gave until it hurt. That’s because he would not ask if he did not need it. Now? Men, nearly ALL men, are too f***ing greedy and self centered to help ANYONE no matter HOW MUCH THEY NEED IT or HOW MUCH THEY BEG FOR HELP. Nope. MOST MEN take a ‘fuck you’ attitude to helping another man. It disgusts me.

Each man here would be well advised to ask themselves the question. “What did I do in the last 12 months to go out of my way to help my fellow men?”

Me? Aside from all the work I put in? I donated $A20K to needy men. I ALSO spent endless hours on the phone counselling men, some suicidal, that they can get over the trauma of their loss in divorce. One of the men, when we first met, was totally shattered. He was in a bad way. I spent quite some hours talking to him about how I rebounded and how my life was. He is now one of the leading lights in re-introducing the rule of law into Australia.

I see SO FEW MEN really willing to reach out and touch their fellow mens hearts and souls. Here is what one of my work colleagues wrote about me to many of my colleagues.

Peter came as a consultant on board, but as expected, taught me and in fact all the team mates – lessons of life. I must confess that whenever I was thinking of getting moral boost just walk down to Peter’s desk and you are there……:)

On the event of my leaving that client. One of the young men (in a rather drunken state at the end of partying) hugged me and cried on my shoulder that my moving on was one of the saddest experiences he had ever had.

THAT is how men SHOULD be treating their fellow men. With love, honour, dignity, respect, appreciation and when needed, support. We don’t do that any more. And it truely disgusts me. If we will not help our fellow men? Who WILL we help? Ourselves?

When I was suicidal my new best mate would come and take me out of my apartment to get drunk and just sit and be together. How many men here have searched out for a man in desperate need and then personally helped him in the last 12 months? Not many I would guess.

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fondueguy February 26, 2011 at 14:55

Women are now victims of their own stereotypes of men. The sex drive is strong, but not strong enough to stand up to the onslaught of attacking it and its results from every direction. The most pathetic sight these days are middle-aged and older women who have not woken up to the fact that they have gotten older and so have the men who might be their potential mates. The courtship requirements that an 18-27 y/o hard-body can demand are actually reversed in a dried up old hag of 50-60. They have to pay men to date them instead of men paying for dates with them.

Since I’ve been paying attention to sexual politics and culture for the last few years I’m surprised at how often women just want exactly what men have when it comes to sex and relationships. Women get jealous over mens sexual role which especially includes casual sex and younger game. And incidentally they are throwing away all the setups they had and introducing themselves to the obstacles men have.

I’m not surprised that they would want to change their sexual game but I’m just baffled at how good they think men have it. They forget the advantage of being considered the attractive one and what having to woo said person is like. Sure its not that fun to just wait around to be picked but I definitely do not want to be making lame gestures and paying for dates as if I have more to prove. As far as the age thing goes it could be argued as a zero sum game but then again most men didn’t marry that much older and weren’t/aren’t more likely to leave a marriage anyways. Then you have the misconception that women’s sexuality was “oppressed” while men’s wasn’t. How is that possible… most sex is hetero and if women aren’t having less sex then so are the men. So basically what was happening is that men and women were having the sane amount of sex but men were being told the desperately want it while women were being told they don’t need it; who has the advantage in a situation like that. Now some might say that women who were having sex were more shamed than men were, ie slut shaming, but that scenario loaded when you consider the fact that while both men and women cheat at similar rates it is only men who have the bad reputation and all the shaming tied to it. That means for similar sexual behavior men as a whole have faced greater consequences. Individually this may vary but as a whole women have been less shamed and you can chalk that up to the pedestal. In fact even in the cases where women are caught red handed people are (at least were) mode likely to say “there must be something wrong with the relationship.

But lets not forget what was really going on when we told women to protect their sex and told men to use it when they can; wee were telling boys their sex was more like poison easily capable of damaging naturally good girls. Excuse me but if my penis is seen more so as a weapon that is not a privilege.

I would rather see women’s actions speak for themselves. I’m not pedestalizing women on a date via chivalry, considering their sex as pure, or as more valuable.

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Troll King February 26, 2011 at 14:59

I have often quipped that the best way to kill a bad idea is to implement it as fully and quickly as possible, and to make sure everyone knows who is responsible for the idea so they know who to blame when it goes bad.”

And yet when I have posted about voting women into office I get downvoted. Originally I was just joking and kinda talking out loud to form my thoughts and analyze the issues, but, honestly, the more I think about it the more I think it could work.

Women are the driving force behind men waking up. Never could we men do the damage to the female group reputation that yugo grrls have done in just two decades of uncontrolled hypergamous nature. This is one thing we should really thank feminism for. It has allowed even your average mangina to get a small glimpse of the true nature of women.

We know that the more power and status and money women gain the more their demands go up. This is their hypergamous reasoning. So, just sit back and think about this for five minutes guys. Just imagine.

What would happen if in the next election cycle we flipped the script and put our effort into getting a woman elected president and vice president. Hell, so many people my age are so fucking stupid I don’t think it would be hard. I know people who voted for Obama simply because they wanted to be part of a historic event. I bet we could market a female pres. the same way.

Now, stay with me and just use this as a thought experiment. Keep in mind female hypergamous nature and the nature of their entitlement and demands.

Imagine we have a newly elected, lets say lefty progressive, female president. Lets say we also have a dem/mangina congress full of mostly women. What do you think would happen? Do you think womens demands would go down? Lulz wut? I think they would only double or triple down, I think they would escalate their misandry and shaming language and I think they would pass even more anti male laws. I can’t see a woman, especially a feminist or feminist leaning woman, giving men paternity rights or protection from false rape claims. I just can’t see it happening, especially when 57% of the last vote was women.

When you look at the number of single mommies by choice and their contempt for the men they think should be acting as their husbandbot….well, I think it would only accelerate the collapse.

I know this hasn’t been a popular opinion when I have joked about it before, and I am NOT telling you men to do this. I am just thinking out loud here and entertaining the thought experiment.

I honestly think that women would fuck it up so fast that there wouldn’t be a man left alive who could honestly say NAWALT. I think they would pass law after law criminalizing male behavior. It would be like all those teachers seeing boyhood as a pathology in need of a cure being in control of the entire system, not just their misandric classrooms. Hell, they would probably outlaw men talking to women in public under the street harassment guise. They might even outlaw video games and porn.

I could easily see hillary clinton doing that if she were president. You think your average dude would put up with that? Remember, it was Al Gores wife who got all the rating on music and games during the 90s.

I don’t really now what you guys think about this idea, it might be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I just figure we need to entertain all ideas and realize that we may need to endure short term discomfort for a long term gain. I really like kloo2yous recent spam message over at reddit, so I will spread the meme.

He keeps typing that if you want to see the future, read femdom fiction or porn. I say, if you really want to see the world feminists are trying to create then look at bonobos or the mosuo matriarchies in Asia.

Great article ZED. You hinted at it and I have said it before and will again.

There are only two primary forms of control women have over men and they have overplayed their hand with this generation of men.

1. is social control or shaming language
2.sexual manipulation.

I have heard one since kindergarden. So have most guys. As far as two goes, well, I think there is a upper limit of about 30 for most men. I haven’t even hit 30 yet but I have noticed this for years, before I ever found my way into the MRM. Guys tend to realize how women are and by the time your typical nerd or beta reaches 30 he has basically figured out most of the game. It all has to do with experience with women. The first couple you date and fuck, well, you figure it is you and maybe you should look for other types of women. By the time you reach ten, then you realize that all women really are like that. Maybe not all, but most. And here is the truth, you don’t even have to date that many to figure this out.

I think the quote is something like “a smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.” I have seen the same patterns in so many relationships that I have realized the herd mentality of women is incredibly scary. If you really just stand back and examine it, it really is terrifying to see how they rely on each other to form opinions and then they use that groupthink to influence the men around them to act.

I came to the same conclusions about women and dating that MGTOW has years ago. I literally had a conversation about how women are always tilting the playing field and why is it worth playing on to begin with? Who wants to play a game where the rules are stacked against you and change on the whim without notice. Women kinda remind me of credit card companies and their legalese bullshit.

Again, you guys are spot on about younger guys just shunning it all, especially relationships and women, and taking some pride in it. Not all ofcourse, but many do and have. The simply fact is that womens behavior has been so atrocious my entire short life that if it weren’t for my libido and their soft skin and big tits I wouldn’t touch them with a 50ft pole much less be friends with them or even talk to them.

What I find amusing is how this is catching on with the popular culture and media too. Whether it is tosh.o or Youtube comments or reddit comments or what have you.

Now the real question us younger non married(stupid) guys have is, what now? Jobs are scarce, and if you find one it will be under employed. I am seriously looking into starting my own business but I don’t exactly have a shit ton of support. I only wish I could capitalize on all the negative re enforcement women have given me. I would be a billionaire.

But anyways, where do we go from here? It seems to me that we are doing something that men have never really done in history, we are going our way without women and without concern for their wellbeing. We need a roadmap. I guess we create one everyday, but it kinda feels like walking blind in the woods.

I think we need a patriarchy 2.0. I like the FUBU idea. For Us By Us. I think we need to create our own, completely separate and autonomous, government and completely detach from the feminized matriarchy we are currrently living in. If matriarchies thrive within patriarchies, then why couldn’t a new patriarchy thrive and eventually take over from within a matriarchy? I don’t know exactly what this patriarchy 2.0 would look like. I know that divorce laws and custody should default towards men. I think we could sell some women on the idea too.

We should simply point out that if custody was 100% defaulted to the male, after a paternity test determined fatherhood on a genetic level, that we could probably sell it by saying this would cut down on dead beats and men pumping and dumping. We could point out that if men knew they would be saddled with a baby and expected to work like single mothers do, then 99% of guys would think twice before opening their zippers. This would probably only work on traditionalist women, but it is a thought.

I am having some trouble conceptualizing a patriarchy 2.0 but I think it would have to have the best interests of men be the focus with women not even coming in close to last. Hell, my dog should have more focus in a patriarchy 2.0 than a woman does. One thing I do know is that what I would term patriarchy .1-1.9 was never about mens interest first and foremost but about protecting women. They want independence, let’s give it to them.

I do think we need to fully destroy our current system before we could build a better one for ourselves, or atleast before it could be fully actualized. Hence, a multi pronged attack. Let’s withdraw while handing some more power to females and watch their demands sky rocket while pushing men farther to the fringe and displacing more and more responsibilities and imposing more and more obligations on men while denying them any benefit….well, I really do think that would wake up even you most stubborn mangina/white knight.

It should be obvious to anyone here that the current feminist system is not only not sustainable, but is already showing diminishing returns. Hence, more and more shaming language and calls for men to man up. I agree we all need to look out for ourselves and this is one problem that I think will be our biggest obstacle. Feminism thrives on the strategy of divide and conquer, the same as most women. They just love playing the game of let’s you and him fight. It seems to be a staple of hypergamous nature to play men against each other. According to evolutionary theories men are hard wired for competition.

I am not sure I believe that to be fully true. Women seem much more cutthroat in their competitive nature than men and how do we know male competition isn’t just female nature projected and imprinted onto men and boys? I look around and see what female sexuality is and then look at some of the more insecure guys and how they define themselves based on the number of smelly holes they stick their dick in and I think this is the result of growing up in a male vacuum and having female tendencies ingrained into them.

Hell, all the gay guys I have met from NY are more feminine than most women and what is the male to female ratio of NY? 1 man for every 5 women. Hmmmm.

IDK, in a feminist culture full of lies and doublespeak and femalese language and manipulation it is hard to tell what is real and what is not, what is true and what is not.

IDK, I am still trying to figure out some good strategies but I do think we need to work to hasten the collapse while building a strong brotherhood to replace it. But even if we don’t I do think it will collapse anyways.

So far I have been posting flyers for awhile now, even before TFHs article on it. I originally got the idea from the mall. A few years back I was taking a piss and noticed ads above the urinals. I have papered two college campuses and the strip of bars once over. Most have been ripped down by now, and I never got around to posting pics but I know atleast several thousand guys must have seen them. I even saw some guys talking about it and laughing. I do plan on papering the bathrooms at the stadium when football season starts up again. The stadium hold 100k people, probably 70% male….so that will be a lot of eyes. I think I am going to get some of that sticky paper and make my own MRA stickers and post them around the library and atm wall, two very high traffic areas and they won’t be ripped down as easily.

The only other idea I have is that you guys over 30 should learn game and string along as many 30-35ish women as possible. Take the remaining reproductive years from them.

So if you are 30 something or 40 even, find you a cute 30 yr old and string her along for 2 years and then dump her in the most truamatizing way possible. Make her cry for 6 months. I realized with one of my last gfs the way to do it is to not play into their games. She was a real bitch and when she kept coming back and trying to work things to be better after ripping out my soul I finally made it clear that I didn’t care anymore. One day I was walking down the street with one of my buddies and she was apparently about 80 ft behind us and I didn’t know until I saw her reflection in the mirror of a window. She saw me laughing and talking about these other girls and she had the most frumpy face on imaginable. I heard from some mutual friends a few years back that after me she got heavy into drugs and oxy and had to go on methadone to get off it. Simply being ignored by me after she treated me like shit and I made it clear I just didn’t care anymore ontop of all her family problems and what not was enough to push her over the edge.

BTW, not bragging. I actually feel kinda shitty about it and that is one fucking problem. Guys accept responsibility where we owe none.

But just think about it guys. She is 30, you seduce her and make her fall for you. She goes along with it for two years thinking she just found the high class, high status, man of her dreams that is going to give her a baby before her eggs are dried out. By 32 you break it off and she spends the next 6 months crying and bitching about you to her gfs. Maybe she takes another year before she finds another sucker and what? She is almost 35. If she follows the script she won’t breach the baby subject with the new beau for a year and by then she is past her window. Then there is one more entitled, independent bitch out of the gene pool. Just some thoughts. I guarantee that once I get into my 30s I am going to string along 50 women at a time. I have noticed that it really is true that women get more desperate as they age. Or maybe guys just get better with women and grow a thicker skin…IDK, maybe a bit of both.

What I do know is that after the way I have been treated by women for the first 21 yrs of my life alone, I OWE THEM NOTHING AND WILL TAKE EVERYTHING!

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KARMA MRA MGTOW February 26, 2011 at 15:15

Hmm some WW dudes, well probably most.

Still, guys, live a good life and happy life, be kind to others, but this kindness does not translate to letting people walk over you. :)

If most WW want to behave like five year old’s that’s fine with me, as long MRA’S educate men on how to avoid the pit falls of dealing with it, what signs to avoid and how to read them.

Street smarts and common sense will never be taught in a gender studies course.

Hmm some WW dudes, well probably most. Still, guys, live a good life and happy life, be kind to others, but this kindness does not translate to letting people walk over you. :) If most WW want to behave like five year old’s that’s fine with me, as long MRA’S educate men on how to avoid the pit falls of dealing with it, what signs to avoid and how to read them. Street smarts and common sense will never be taught in a gender studies course.

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Anti Idiocy February 26, 2011 at 16:09

@zed:

The fundamental issue being denied is that in a game of Russian Roulette, “not all” the cylinders are loaded, either. But, the one that is will be so destructive that the ones which won’t destroy you don’t offer enough potential reward to offset the risk of that one that is loaded – even if it is in the minority.

Seems to me a man getting married today may be playing Russian Roulette with five outta six loaded.

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crella February 26, 2011 at 16:30

When a slag like “Julie” gets a free pass to hump anything with a pulse, and gets praised for it, any person who would condone that and at the same time expect men to act like it is still 1955

Exactly!! That’s the problem with TTH and other women like her telling men to ‘man up ‘ and get married…..women’s behavior is never corrected nor kept in check, but mens’ is supposed to be.

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TFH February 26, 2011 at 16:37

crellla,

Make sure you are telling MEN, yes, MEN, everything you have learned about feminism, misandry, etc.

When a woman says feminism is bad for the following a, b, c, d, e, reasons, men will listen. It should not be that way, but it is.

You have an important role to play.

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Type 5 February 26, 2011 at 16:40

DavidV: Is there still hope for my ilk? Or is MGTOW really the only way now?

I’ll repeat to you the same answer a young man got on an MGTOW forum when he asked if Going His Own Way meant he had to dump his girlfriend:

“There’s no “one right way” to deal with women, and the screwed-up society that encourages them to indulge their baser instincts. But women and society must be dealt with.

That’s what MGTOW is all about. Each man has to walk his own path. But we ARE supportive of each other in that. I think that you need to be clear in your own mind what it is that YOU want. The degree to which we engage women is something that each of us chooses for ourselves, and it is necessary to accept the consequences of our choices.

What do you want for your own life? What sacrifices are you willing to make in order to get it? If there are sacrifices you are NOT willing to make, what compromises to your chosen lifestyle will follow from that?”

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aharon February 26, 2011 at 16:54

You will soon find that feminists are not the least perturbed when their extreme hypocrisy is pointed out. In fact, if you do what you describe above, before long, you will learn the grim truth about how feminists have no problem at all with blatant double standards.

Yup, typical double-standards: the rules of fair play and behavior along with being held responsible apply to males and not to females. There some ‘women’ (definitely not feminists and not the spoiled entitled princess types) who might acknowledge if it was patiently shown to them the double-standards. Those ‘women’ don’t hang-out at feminist websites. An MRAs time is probably better spent ignoring women and focusing on educating and motivating men to stop playing and supporting ‘the game’ as defined by the feminists and their alpha-male partners in government.

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greyghost February 26, 2011 at 16:54

Seems to me a man getting married today may be playing Russian Roulette with five outta six loaded.

Yeah NAWALT you know. Taurus makes a 9 shot 2 revolver get 4, load complete cylinders on 3 load 8 in the last one and takes your chances.

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CM February 26, 2011 at 17:26

Very Good Article:

– S->P->T-(c)R. After the Stimulus, Pause, Think about what is going on, and then choose your Reaction. Thus is the way of the superior man.

Very much so.

The most important strategy for men overall and individually is to take away women’s ability to control them through manipulation.

Absolutely.

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CM February 26, 2011 at 17:31

I think this is one of the best Spearhead Articles i’ve ever read…

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TFH February 26, 2011 at 17:42

An MRAs time is probably better spent ignoring women and focusing on educating and motivating men to stop playing and supporting ‘the game’

Of course!

That is why there is a URLs @ Urinals flyer campaign.

Get men educated. That is what matters.

Now go post flyers – you know the drill.

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KARMA MRA MGTOW February 26, 2011 at 17:46

aharon February 26, 2011 at 16:54

I agree, don’t waste time on women, we need to educate the current and next generation of males.

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mgtow February 26, 2011 at 18:01

I am a moderate fairly traditional MRA and got married five months ago. When I read articles like this I fear I may have made the wrong choice. Yet my wife respects me and takes her role as homebuilder seriously.
Is there still hope for my ilk? Or is MGTOW really the only way now?

Five months eh? Let’s see how long the ‘good wife and homemaker’ charade keeps up.

But you picked the woman, obviously thinking ‘she is the exception to the norm’. Time will tell.

That said, why do you even want to sign a contract to ‘officialize’ a relationship with a woman? Why do you want to live with one? Is the legal vagina, along with its restrictions and liabilities, that important to you?

Last note on divorce: if you’re going to do it, do it fast and with an element of surprise. Being a man, the game is rigged against you, must there is greater advantage in first strike.

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mgtow February 26, 2011 at 18:10

The courtship requirements that an 18-27 y/o hard-body can demand are actually reversed in a dried up old hag of 50-60. They have to pay men to date them instead of men paying for dates with them.

Women have certainly come a long way when it comes to advancing their careers, eh? Alternatively, they should be quite loaded after fleecing lots of resources from ex-husbands, with the full blessing of the Fem-ily Court.

In other words, the post-menopausal, flabby arms and saggy tits ladies have money. Let them pay for everything if they want male company.

After all, isn’t this the kind of empowerment that the pioneer feminists dreamed and hoped for? Well, they have certainly achieved it now.

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Jay Hammers February 26, 2011 at 18:30

Excellent article, good sir.

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oddsock February 26, 2011 at 19:11

DavidV
Hey guys,
I am a moderate fairly traditional MRA and got married five months ago. When I read articles like this I fear I may have made the wrong choice. Yet my wife respects me and takes her role as homebuilder seriously.
Is there still hope for my ilk? Or is MGTOW really the only way now?

This has got to be a set up? Married ? Five months?

The damp patch on the honeymoon bed sheets will not even be dry yet.

“takes her role as homebuilder seriously” Yes because she is planning on keeping it or at least keeping its value up for if and when she decides to sell it. Your just a means to an end. Think of yourself as a lodger with extra responsibilities.

“my wife respects me” LMFAO. I have not laughed so much since my granny caught her paps in the mangle.

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Avenger February 26, 2011 at 19:57

Lovecraft writes-Growing up, Baby Boomers were generally kowtowed, not willing to show any desire to shake things up, to question where we are going, too complacent and meek. Beh.

Lovecraft, those “baby boomers” were brought up in general in homes where there was a father present. And I can tell you that the men back then were very cynical about females and life in general. Watch some Film Noir because that’s really how a lot of men were and not the nonsense that you saw on TV. I can still remember as a boy men saying that females had it easy , never get married etc etc
It’s boys brought up from 1990 on who are the real pussies. Many of them just had single neurotic females around them all of their lives.The “baby boomer” men were not around crazy females all the time. Not at school, work or even leisure except when they went on a “date” for sex or something. Females couldn’t even annoy them because there was no technology to send texts or e-mails (they’d have to write a letter) and if the guy was in another area or at school they couldn’t even call him much because phone calls were expensive. Many colleges were still not co-ed so men weren’t around wacky distracting females all day (Harvard only admitted females in the early 70′s) and dorms were still not co-ed so guys were not in that toxic female atmosphere all the time and had some privacy from them.

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aharon February 26, 2011 at 20:08

Women have certainly come a long way when it comes to advancing their careers, eh? Alternatively, they should be quite loaded after fleecing lots of resources from ex-husbands, with the full blessing of the Fem-ily Court…Let them pay for everything if they want male company.

‘Fem’-ily Courts! Hey, that is a great twist and play on the word, I love it. Even if some rich woman offers to pay for all of a man’s expenses just so she won’t be alone…for now…what happens one day when she has a female meltdown and calls in a phony DV or false-rape allegation charge? Methinks staying single and celibate, and living away from women is the only way for a man to go in the modern-era.

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Avenger February 26, 2011 at 20:34

Sharon wrote, Methinks staying single and celibate, and living away from women is the only way for a man to go in the modern-era

That’s right, go hide like a little pussy. Females and the government can do nothing once a substantial number of MEN put their foot down.
And “rape” and DV should be a laughing matter and the female the butt of jokes.
99% of the time there was no rape.

“oh, you mean you had some drinks and then invited a man to your place at 4am and he fucked you and now you feel shame because he turned out to be a beta?”

hahahahahahaha

“Oh some man smacked you because you constantly goaded and annoyed him until he cracked? You got what you deserved.

hahahahahahahaha

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Mark Richardson February 26, 2011 at 20:35

David V,

There are married supporters of men’s rights out there. My marriage is still going well after 8 years and two children. But it’s definitely marriage 1.0 (traditional marriage) rather than 2.0 (feminist marriage).

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Avenger February 26, 2011 at 20:45

Famous Last Words>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

“Mark” where do you live, how old are you, what sort of job do you have, what does your wife do?
8 years? Were you married young? Like in your 20′s. Wait until she hits the 30′s or is pushing 40 and menopause when she goes crazy and thinks she has missed out on life. Perhaps she won’t need you then. Afterall, she’s had her kids and now wants some excitement and you’re there to continue to pay child support and alimony while she’s goes to Eat, Pray, Love

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aharon February 26, 2011 at 21:05

Sharon wrote, Methinks staying single and celibate, and living away from women is the only way for a man to go in the modern-era… That’s right, go hide like a little pussy. Females and the government can do nothing once a substantial number of MEN put their foot down.

Avenger,

Are you drunk or can’t you read? My name is Aharon not Sharon. You’re saying that I’m hiding for suggesting that in today’s political and legal climate it is best for a man to stay single, celibate, and away from women who are obviously potentially dangerous and legally more powerful than men? You think a female wrote that, don’t you? You suggested some man smacked me because I goaded and annoyed him? You fool; I’m a male and a hetero man. Better go sleep off your drink.

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Ramses February 26, 2011 at 21:22

Abu Hasan Shadhili (12th century) is reported to have said:

“Whoever directs you to this world has
cheated you; whoever directs you to deeds
has exhausted you; but whoever directs you
to God has truly counseled you.”

Paying too much attention to fembots, lobotofems, feminazis and femorrhoids probably falls into the “this world” category.

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Mark Richardson February 26, 2011 at 22:17

Avenger,

I live in Melbourne, I’m a school teacher, my wife is at home looking after our children.

Believe me, I’m not naive when it comes to women. At the moment things are sweet and I enjoy family life, but I don’t take anything for granted.

I’m in my 40s now. If my wife were to divorce me, I would have to accept a worsened financial situation and less involvement in the lives of my children. But I believe I’d be in a better position to repartner than my wife. I’ve grown in confidence and work status over the years and even now I get attention from much younger women.

The sexual power that women hold in their 20s eventually declines, whilst that of men rises. Part of the equation of family life then becomes: what has a woman done to hold a man to his family commitments?

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crella February 26, 2011 at 23:23

As I just said somewhere else-

Where did all the good men go Ms. Hymowitz? You browbeat them, marginalized them (all you fish who don’t need bicycles), drugged them, ridiculed them, jailed them, impoverished them and now they want no part of your a**!

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migu February 26, 2011 at 23:37

At five months you can get an annulment.

Something to think about. Don’t forget to check out cobalt at mgtowforums. . Good luck. I hope you always find the empty chamber. You will be pulling that trigger more than once.

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Robert February 27, 2011 at 00:06

OT;

Women Are Probably Going To Hate The Men’s Version Of The Feminist Revolution
Submitted by anthony on Thu, 2011-02-24 15:23.
Article here. Excerpt:

‘A couple of days ago, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who could fairly be described as a feminist. Not a conservative feminist — a feminist in the traditional sense of the word.

I remarked to her that over the last few decades, women’s ideals, in everything from dating, to careers, to their life in general, have changed quite a bit while men’s ideals, hopes and dreams have been much more static over that same time period. She agreed and said feminism hasn’t done a good job of “helping men” reach their potential. My response to that was that when it finally arrives, she probably won’t like the men’s revolution any more than most men enjoyed the feminist version.’.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/23/women-are-probably-going-to-hate-the-men%E2%80%99s-version-of-the-feminist-revolution/

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16354#comments

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fmz February 27, 2011 at 01:12

“how do we change the entire culture and its values to conform to what we want? ”
This is faulty premise. One can never change culture. It moulds you, like a disease. It is master. We is slave. Its nothing more than a program. One can simply be in it, cherry pick it, when suits and NEVER be of it.

“Those discussions are useful, but they are long term and it is likely that many of us will not see any results in our lifetimes.”
Those discussions are useless distractions. Sure they’re interesting, yet pure deluded contemplation of how the grand illusion is structured. Knowing its structure wont help, nor is it necessary to step off, tho it does have some limited utility in step through.

” Whatever happens, for the time being it really is “every man for himself”, and every man has to come up with an individual strategy which will work for himself to survive the years”
THIS and ONLY this is the rub. Its the only thing that matters. It quite simply is the ultimate reality. The days, weeks, months and years, whatever measuring stick of discrete division one chooses, its all ONE life. YOUR life.

” between now and when the new Garden of Eden gets established on earth.”
No such thing. This is the residual effect of a lifetime of gobbling blue pills. Very hard to shake. Only solution is to take another red pill.

This stuff is a bit of a mental paradox. On a practical level its very simple. So much so, its baffles at times. In psych terms it can be exceedingly difficult to shake the programming that has us living their lie. l figure, make the practical changes, simply as a matter of faith in truth and eventually the mind will catch up, adjust and adapt itself to the truth. Eventually. It will spend a lot of time kicking and screaming though.

l like the ‘anti-strategy’ strategy of GYOW. l have figured out for myself that trusting in and using the simple device of deductive logic is basically beyond reproach. Eliminate the bullsiat, by negating the false. Deduct that which does not add up. Eventually it leaves what does and l must accept it. Fashion myself an off button and hit it when the lying bullsiaters hurl the crapolla. With any luck, l wont need to hit it anymore, it will automatically shut out the nonsense.

The feminutties a re just nasty, deluded dribblers. They spout thinly veiled neo-marxist crap, parrot like. They have no idea what they’re doing. They’re living out a scripted program and they’ve learned to love. When deep down they hate it and everything else. Feminastysim really is a grand projected hate movement, driven by the ressintiment of the weak and unable.

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mananon February 27, 2011 at 03:59

‘Where have all the good men gone?’

Stupid question. We’re right here. We just don’t want you, that’s all.

By the way, any news on the artificial womb?

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Philip February 27, 2011 at 05:15

All this talk from feminist wanting a traditional relation is just more lies and smoke screen. They will tell the man in front of them any lie they think he wants to hear. When women fight and scream for the relationship/marriage laws to ALL be scraped then i will know they are serious.
Until then, its no friends, no love for women just purely business, cold and calculating business.

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aharon February 27, 2011 at 05:43

“A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle”.
—- Does that mean the derogatory comments sometimes heard about women being fishy are true?

A man deserves a woman like an innocent man deserves a prison cell and the legalized theft of his wealth.

Marriage becomes voluntary parole for a man with his responsibility to provide and protect a woman. Divorce becomes either financial servitude or enslavement in prison for a man.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 27, 2011 at 06:32

“Yet my wife respects me and takes her role as homebuilder seriously.”

LMFAO. Dude. ALL women told me how much they RESPECTED me while I was a good slave.

Virtually NO WOMEN stood up for me when crimes were committed against me.

THEY ARE ALL LIKE THAT. Bad luck you. If I were you? Since there are no kids? I’d get divorced and tell her that you will take her back when WOMEN hold WOMEN accountable for their crimes. Just like men do.

Mark Richardson February 26, 2011 at 22:17
“I live in Melbourne, I’m a school teacher, my wife is at home looking after our children.”

@Mark. Then sign up here and tell all your school teacher mates.
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Home.aspx

“If my wife were to divorce me, I would have to accept a worsened financial situation and less involvement in the lives of my children.”

No longer true. You can read the book written through me and learn how to remove the family court from your life and to re-negotiate a fair contract with your wife and should you ever divorce to use an arbitration panel. I’ve put the link here often enough and it is also linked from the site above. Join up with your fellow aussies Mark. We are bringing the rule of law back into Australia. Looks like we will be the first western country to do so. The Irish have slowed down.

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zed February 27, 2011 at 06:59

As I just said somewhere else-

Where did all the good men go Ms. Hymowitz? You browbeat them, marginalized them (all you fish who don’t need bicycles), drugged them, ridiculed them, jailed them, impoverished them and now they want no part of your a**!

It’s almost funny how the chattering class simply takes an old worn out idea and keeps dusting it off and recycling it. Barbara Dafoe Whitehead wrote the same book, with the same message, back in 2002 – Why There Are No Good Men Left: The Romantic Plight of the New Single Woman

And men said the same thing about the issues that they said last week –

Personally, I don’t buy it.

The women in these book ALWAYS seem to live in New York or LA, big-city life, never in small towns. Lah-de-dah Dahling! There seems to be a whole different mentality in the big city about sex and dating
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Perhaps these perfect people are afraid to admit that they’re somewhat lacking in some sort of social skills or looking for too much perfection in others? Real relationships involve compromise.
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I am one of those 30something never-been-married women targeted by Whitebread. My parents divorced when I was twelve, and I was a latchkey kid. So I am very familiar with the social conditions that have created the “marriage delay” that’s supposed to be so prevalent in my generation.

That said, I have to agree with some of the reviewers that the women interviewed in this book are unrealistic to only want well-to-do men that make – say – at least $100,000 per year. How many men like that really exist, especially these days when it’s becoming harder and harder for anyone who’s not a CEO of a Halliburton-type corporation to get wealthier each year? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a tiny shrinking percentage.

While I agree that you should only get married if you find the right person and never “settle,” when it comes to financial status I have to make an exception.

There are lots of good men out there (I’m seeing one right now, he’s not a well-to-do CEO type and I don’t care). Most of them are just not going to be Donald Trumps.

Perhaps the real problem is not a lack of good men – or women – but too much emphasis on money and prestige.
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As a single 30-something man, I bought this book out of a sense of curiosity.

Popular culture scolds men when we become too demanding. A man who will only look at women who are ten years younger, rail-thin, and blonde is quickly dismissed as superficial. However, the women that Ms. Whitehead describes are only interested in tall, handsome, alpha males who make $100,000 per year. And they want to land them at age 35.

I am 35 myself, and I would love to meet a Britney Spears lookalike who is intelligent, makes lots of money, and (very important) is also interested in me. I would also like to win the lottery, have as much hair as I had when I was twenty, and go golfing five days per week. But that’s not life on earth.

Perhaps Ms. Whitehead could write a sequel: “There are Plenty of Good Men Left, but You’re too Vain to Notice Them.”

Nothing changes, and, no, they don’t ever get it. That is why listening to them and getting bent out of shape about what they say is a complete waste of time.

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aharon February 27, 2011 at 08:31

Nothing changes, and, no, they don’t ever get it. That is why listening to them and getting bent out of shape about what they say is a complete waste of time.

Confronting, debating, or simply wasting time and energy on the radical feminist and alpha-male driven misandry is about as effective (currently) as repeatedly banging one’s head into a wall. Trying to get males to directly march in the streets protesting and standing up to confront modern women is not in most men’s nature, and since men don’t yet really acknowledge the true pain and danger they are in. Currently, the best most effective thing that I can see us doing is to get more and more men to continue turning their backs to women and society.

More school and job discrimination against men means less production and profitability for society. Eventually, with socialism you run out of other people’s money. Women cannot, especially with the debt bill and inflation about to collapse the West and America, simply take over and keep floating society. Only so much more juice can be squeezed out of an already squeezed fruit.

It would be great yet it is not necessary for all men to go online to the manosphere. Men can observe, experience, and learn about how men are being screwed over by women and the establishment by witnessing what is going on in their lives and with their friends and neighbors. The young males are growing up under-oppression. They know it. Sure, there are idiot young (and older) men like a recent college male grad who is PC and brainwashed that lived in my home. Hopefully, he will over the next several years wake up that the world is not what his socialist teachers have said it is for the past 18 years.

Bottom line: many (not all) males can realize the truth of how dangerous it is for a man to commit to a woman and how the laws are misandric. Many men are increasingly embracing ghosting and MGTOW turning away from women and society. Many (not all) women will increasingly wake up to the fact that feminism is their greater enemy than men, and that by women, society, and government being misandric it is coming back to hurt them in so many ways. Of course so many women (and men) are so stupid these days that many will not ever connect the dots yet many others will.

My young 21-year old friend who I have posted about recently probably now wishes that he had turned his back on his ex-gf and not trusted her. She stole his money, disappeared, and is now coming back with according to her, his child, though we all know it is really hers. He has told his story to other young men. Some will learn from it and some won’t. More ghosts and MGTOW will be born.

Sadly yet it is a reality that most women are never motivated by fairness, logic, or responsibility to a greater good. Fair treatment cannot be negotiated. Why should women care? Men are to women their farm animals. Women are motivated by what it is their own interest and to a lesser degree what is in the interest of the tribe of women. A man’s pain is of no concern to a modern woman unless it is of an issue that comes back to hurt and cause pain to the woman too.

No pain. No gain. It is very simple.

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aharon February 27, 2011 at 08:48

That’s why any man with a brain appreciates older women.

I’m not sure if that is the answer. There are plenty of older lizard women (ages 40,50,60+) out there that have ripped a man’s throat open. The infamous ‘NAWALT) is true. It is also true that most western women have been poisoned and corrupted by feminism and modern society, etc. Calmly and logically simply go by the facts of the evidence that is all around us. Relationships are too dangerous for a man and should be avoided.

Men say yes to a relationship who want to lose their liberty and their savings.

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Ramses February 27, 2011 at 10:39

I was talking to a Turkish friend about divorce the other day and he resumed the traditional Turkish view of marriage in very few words …. “Either with me or in your grave”.

Just the opposite of what we have – which could be “Your wallet or your mental health”.

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David K. Meller February 27, 2011 at 14:35

The man and the woman in the skit below are figments of my imagination. They are a work of fiction, for illustrative purposes only! This is an idealized version of how men OUGHT TO treat women, given the kind of she-weasels whom we encounter today! If there is any resemblance between a woman in the skit below and any real live women they would probably be better off dead!

Woman (to man): you BETTER man up, accept your responsibilities, and support me and my children in the way I’m entitled to and have become accustomed!

Man: (to woman) You must be KIDDING!!

Woman: If you want me to like you , and give you what you want so badly, you have to gimme all the goodies I am entitled to as an empowered WOMAN!! More ME, less YOU!

Man: Sweety, have a nice life. I’m Outta here!

Woman: You evil sexist men won’t listen to us!! I am equal to any goddamn man in the world, and I can throw a tantrum to show it! LISTEN TO ME!!

Man: You don’t say anything anyone wants to hear! Go back to the other hens making noise, or better still, take another drink and go back to sleep!

Woman: WAAAAH! I WANT ATTENTION! I WANNA BE IMPORTANT! I WANNA BE AT THE TOP! I WANNABE A GODDESS!…

MAN: (tapping his forehead as he leaves the room) And SHE was one of the more reasonable ones! Guess the Spearhead was right…
Life is too damn short to bother with these b*****s! Now for something worthwhile to do…

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

PS–Only asses and ignoramuses pay any attention to the intellectual or philosophical (?) output of females anyway! They are capable of emitting signals of emotion, feelings, pleasure (when they are indulged and get their way) and pain and rage (when they are denied what they want, they have to wait for it, or they have to give you something in return) That is the sumtotal of female cognition! If you take their silly feminine cackling and whining too seriously, you will end up in the boobyhatch–exactly where you deserve! DKM

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fmz February 27, 2011 at 16:22

“Sadly yet it is a reality that most women are never motivated by fairness, logic, or responsibility to a greater good. Fair treatment cannot be negotiated. Why should women care? Men are to women their farm animals. Women are motivated by what it is their own interest and to a lesser degree what is in the interest of the tribe of women. A man’s pain is of no concern to a modern woman unless it is of an issue that comes back to hurt and cause pain to the woman too.”

TRUTH.
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“Men are to women their farm animals.”
Feminasties are straight outta Animal Farm. Orwells parody of neo-marxist utopia.

“Women are motivated by what is their own interest”
Yes, yes and yes. They are very sly at disguising it too. Most particularly their use of children as the pawns through which and upon whom they project their own best interests. They define ‘best interest of children’ in a way that is ALWAYS aligned with and a reflection of their own selfish interests.

“Men are to women their farm animals.”
PLUS
“Women are motivated by what is their own interest”
EQUALS
Breeding program where what we give them (offspring) they use against us, in service of their selfish interest.

Rational self interest and self(ish) interests are not equal, even though both concepts use similar and same words. l used to like Ayn Rands philosophy until l realised that her conflation of rational self interest with egotism is pure feminine delusion. Inability or reluctance to distinguish the logically reasoned from emotive egotism.

“A man’s pain is of no concern to a modern woman unless it is of an issue that comes back to hurt and cause pain to the woman too”
This is GYOW GOLD.

In fact, her version of empathy for the plight of others is always pure projection, based on a juxtaposition of herself into ‘sufferer.’ If she cannot relate her own self-interested existence to it, then she is unconcerned by it. There is no logical abstraction on her part, nothing outside of her material view of how it effects her and hers directly. Prolly a combination of the feminine psyche which is pure egocentric solipsism and all the white matter b/w cerebral hemispheres that make it extremely difficult fo her to take herSELF outta the frame.

A woman who looks at anything and doesn’t see HERSELF is a man.

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Ivo Vos February 28, 2011 at 10:28

Zed, as usual in a very good post, points among other things to automatic and autonomous reactions, the powerful fight or flight reaction complex and the importance of learning a
Stimulus ->Pause->Think->(chosen) Reaction instead of the more automatic Stimulus -> Response reaction that makes a lot of men a kind of stimulus automata and thereby relatively easy to manipulate. Zed makes some important statements, so here are my two (euro)cents on the matter.
For all practical purposes, the stimulus causes emotions. That part is in most cases an autonomous reaction as part of our internal communication. Whether it will lead to an automatic response might be another matter. While the internal communication is developing, emotions ‘scratch at our consciousness’. We have to learn to become aware of the emotions before they develop into interpretations, ‘feelings’(more on that later), conscious thinking and worst case, al sorts of undesirable automatic reactions. It is rather useless to conclude that, indeed, you have been acting on your autopiloted emotions in your local jail. A couple of hours after you spend some time with this nice looking girl that invited you in her house before she for one reason or another ‘decided’ that you just raped her.
We have been told that women are emotional beings and men are not. Highly unlikely. Life has developed this essential part of our internal communication system not just for the fun of it – or lack thereof. And without emotions, we never would know differences in what we call values, and we wouldn’t be able to make decisions. If you happen to be interested in how emotions and decision making are related, a lot has been written about this subject lately and Antonio Damasio is one of the well known writers on this subject. So, about women being emotional beings and men not, my conclusion this far is that we have been sold a lie. And the lie is extremely useful in keeping us ‘controlled’.
There is a basic difference, in general, in the ‘processing’, or in other terms, the way our internal communication develops, between men and women. It is said that women are more emotional, but it seems that they are generally a bit more occupied with feelings. Feelings are interpreted emotions. I know there is a lot of confusion about emotions and feelings, what the heck the difference could be and if the difference would be meaningful if all you’ve got is feelings. I repeat, feelings are interpreted emotions. In general, women have a huge advantage over us men when it comes to interpreting emotions as feelings. It’s their important topic, and sometimes it seems their only topic. Like life depends on it, and that may very well be the case. Because feelings are interpreted emotions, you can – in principle – communicate with others about it, that is to say, you communicate about the interpretation. So, there is a lot of communication about the possible interpretations and, if possible, a lot of agreement about these interpretations. Called sharing your feelings. Another way of looking at it is that the agreements combined during a certain period and in a certain area are what we know as politically correctness or shared moral worldviews. Your mother has been blessed with the possibility to ‘implement’ them during your first years on earth. You might decide later on in your life if they are there to stay or not.
Normally, men don’t spend as much time in their life with the possible interpretations of emotions and how they might help in creating conformism, reaching continual agreements about these interpretations and implementing these in their social environment. We men are probably more emotional, but less busy with the interpretations, the different rationalities of emotions, the ‘feelings’. Stated in another way, we are less trained in rational control of emotions, and most women have a huge advantage over us on this terrain. Although there will be a lot of people, for instance your mother, that somehow have convinced you that you are very rational after all and if emotions raise their ugly head, as a man you’re expected to deal with them like they never are there. You always should man up, shouldn’t you ? Sure, as long as it is in the way your mother told you, or your wife or girlfriend. And if they are less sure what’s going on inside your head they probably will invite you to ‘share’ your feelings, and if you don’t comply you are all sorts of a jerk. Wielding power has interesting expressions. The supposed superior emotionality of women has a nasty habit of resulting in emotionless, highly rationalized emotional manipulation when under pressure.
Men are supposed to be less or not at all emotional, but I’m afraid (not really, as a musician I’m quit happy with it) that we are in fact the more emotional half of humanity. With somewhat better possibilities to ‘detach’ ourselves from our emotions, to concentrate on specific subjects while pretending that the emotions are not really there. It is a strength and a weakness. The strength manifests itself for instance in our ability to create music among other things. We are less bound by social conventions about the interpretation of emotions, and so we have the ability to express our emotions by creating music in a way that never was before and like there is nothing else in this universe. It’s pure magic, this kind of direct emotional communication. On the other hand, most women don’t come out of their comfort zone when they make music. They reproduce music in a way that is agreed upon by their society, it’s more rationally interpreted music, like a popstarred human pianola. (‘What will they think of me’) Today’s rock scene is the place to look if you want to experience the differences. Our weakness is, like Zed pointed out, to fall back on automode when the emotions run high. Fear and sex are our main emotional weak points, in case you hadn’t discovered that already. We have the habit of going on automode when there is something to be feared and end up in fights wondering how it all started and in bed, and sometimes in jail, when there is some sex going on. Probably very nice features when we were chasing mammoths.
At this moment we’re probably better of when we become aware of these emotions before we fall back in automode. Suppressing them, or trying to suppress them, as your parents might have told you, is probably the worst answer. Emotions are part of our human communication and they are not ‘invented’ through rational thinking. Plato, Descartes and Calvin might for one reason or another have fancied that idea but it is completely useless in today’s feminised society. There are no ‘good’ or ‘bad’, ’positive’ or ‘negative’ emotions as such – they are part of our autonomous reactions – . There are expressions of emotions that are regarded as good or bad, for a great part depending on the current societal morality, that is the socially agreed upon interpretation of emotions. These moralities in one form or another serve an important social function and it would be impossible to make society function without them, but they are still possible interpretations, not absolute truths.
Training yourself in S-P-T-R is also about raising your awareness that emotions have kicked in. There is a difference in becoming aware of emotions and your interpretation, and you have to train yourself to realize the difference between emotions and the interpretation of emotions. Won’t be easy at the start, at least that’s my own experience, but it can be done. You are heavily influenced to go on autointerpretation in moral terms. Try to suppress the interpretation and concentrate on the awareness only, hat is the best advice I can offer. Forget what you have been told about how bad it is being emotional. Suppress your inner pope, parson, mother or mother in law. Once you have trained yourself you have a better chance to suppress your emotional automode and start practising your S->P->T->(c)R behaviour. And, as a side effect, it will greatly enhance your everyday experience.

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Firepower February 28, 2011 at 10:36

zed

Women are now the new men. Now, go get ‘em.

I’m sure 2,000 irate men posting on blogs will really make em’ run!

The stuff of victory

yeehaw

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Ramses February 28, 2011 at 17:53

I have found meditation to be quite useful in creating a “cool space” inside so that you become less prone to emotional manipulation by anybody. Why? Because you get to release a lot of the thoughts and mental chatter that drags us deeper into trouble when left to themselves. My motto during meditation is … “Don’t repress, but don’t act out either”. You will still feel the itch to act, but letting it go will give you a choice as to when/where you MAY act on it or whether there is a need to act at all. Don’t let everybody pull your strings!

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BeijaFlor March 2, 2011 at 05:55

As ivo voz said:
“…the importance of learning a Stimulus ->Pause->Think->(chosen) Reaction instead of the more automatic Stimulus -> Response reaction that makes a lot of men a kind of stimulus automata and thereby relatively easy to manipulate.”

This cannot be emphasized too much. Emotions are valuable, or we wouldn’t have them (your choice between endowed or evolved); but they are unreasoning, and they can be used against you in myriad ways.

Be aware of your emotions, yes; but don’t let them take over. Each of us can master our emotions, and we need to do so – this is not a matter of suppressing them, of striving to be non-feeling, but of using them as we do our other senses.

Even more important is learning to maintain our composure in the face of others’ emotional displays. Yes, displays.

“If you can keep your head when all about you
“Are losing theirs and blaming it on you….”

No coincidence that Rudyard Kipling used that as the opening of his poem, “If”.

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