The High Road

by Delusion Damage on February 22, 2011

There comes a time in every man’s life when he has to make a choice. These days, there come at least a hundred times in a man’s life when he has to make this same choice. You will not be forewarned as to when you will face it, it will be sudden and unexpected, it will jump at you in the most innocuous of situations, but the cumulative effects of all the times you make it can be significant. What is that choice? It’s how you choose to react to a woman in your life who has been infected with feminism.

Option A:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: Wow, you know that’s a bunch of crap, right?
Alice: What?!
Bob: Well, Women’s Studies is a make-believe degree and feminism is stupid, you know that, right? Really, “Women’s Studies” is more sexist than anything “the patriarchy” ever dreamt up. Its very name implies in no uncertain terms that all the real sciences are for men and that women should stay in the academic kitchen studying Marilyn Monroe and spring fashions. Why feminists would encourage such a sexist thing makes no sense – but then, feminists never did have two sensible thoughts to rub together and their entire ideology, in fact, flies in the face of all rational thought with such bravado that I can barely wrap my linear male brain around it at all.
Alice: Contradicting yourself is superior to not contradicting yourself because vaginas are dualistic and phalluses are monistic!

Don’t try to argue with a feminist. That’s impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: If she were the kind of person who could be persuaded by rational argument, she would hardly be a feminist in the first place. You can save yourself the trouble by taking a few moments to first consider how likely someone who has managed to acquire, hold onto and emotionally invest in an ideology that requires as much self-contradiction, willful blindness to evidence, and flat-out denial of the reality on the ground as feminism does is to respond to reason.

If your conclusion is “not fucking likely”, you may be inclined toward an alternative approach. Feminists believe that to be against feminism is to be against women, and expressing your anti-feminist beliefs to one of them can be counterproductive to other aims you may have, such as mounting a frontal assault on her southern trench, or whatever your favorite two-player game involves. Quite a few aspiring trench invaders have figured out that they can bypass this issue by paying lip service to her feminist ideas.

Option B:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: Cool! That stuff is so important!
Alice: Yeah! Thank you for your balls, I’ll just be keeping them here in my purse for you until you’re too old to labor for my amusement any more!

Being familiar with the male sex drive I accept as an unfortunate fact that many men will choose the prospect of female affection even at the cost of personal integrity and the future of the Western world, and that’s a shame but something we will have to live with. For those men who are currently harming us all by making this sacrifice, as well as those who are not willing to sell their souls and would still like to keep from upsetting their potential dance partners, I suggest a third option:

The high road.

Let go of your anger for a moment, let go of your primal desire to fight an offending idea wherever you encounter it, refrain from personal attacks, refrain from voicing your conclusions regarding the mental capabilities of the kind of person who’d hold certain beliefs, and realize that she’s just a girl, same as any other, she just wants to be happy, and she’s gotten hopelessly lost in her search for a way to achieve that. She was born with the capacity to be a wonderful human being, and whatever deluded belief came into her later to stop her from expressing that nature is not something she chose in order to make your life harder. Treat your delusion-addicted friend like you would a drug-addicted one. Don’t attack her for denying the harmfulness of her ingrained habit, don’t judge her for falling prey to its deceptive allure, just let her know that you care about her and are worried about her because she’s hurting herself and others around her. Expect her to lash out angrily at you to defend her behavior, but don’t get sucked into a debate. You know she’s on a harmful path, you know she refuses to see it, and you’re going to offer her what help you can, that’s all.

Secret Option C:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: Oh, I’m sorry.
Alice: What?!
Bob: Well, it’s your choice of course, but in my experience getting involved in feminism tends to make people angrier and bring unnecessary unhappiness into their lives.
Alice: Where the hell did you get that?!
Bob: Whenever a new scientific study on happiness is published, it seems to me that they always show that women’s happiness in the Western world has been steadily declining since feminism has been gaining popularity, and that women in less feminist countries are happier. This supports my personal experiences. Women who talk about feminism a lot always seem to me to be angry and distraught, and happy women who are pleasant to be around never seem to talk much about feminism. It just seems to me based on all of this that feminism is really bad for women. I mean, you and I were having a good time just now, but it didn’t take a minute from the mention of feminism for you to start swearing at me.
Alice: That’s because you hate feminism and that means you hate women!
Bob: No! I love women! I’ve just never seen feminism do anything good for a woman.
Alice: What about voting?! What about equality?! Do you think women should just cook dinner and stay at home with the children?!
Bob: Of course not, but you don’t have to be a feminist to have options these days. Whatever changes happened in society decades ago and whether feminism had anything to do with them or if it was just inevitable because of technological progress and stuff, I’m not really an expert on all that. I just know what I’ve seen in my life which is that women who choose feminism seem to be making a bad choice for themselves. That’s my experience and if you have a different one I accept that we can disagree on this, and I’m okay with that. We probably don’t have the same religious beliefs either and I don’t think that should stop us from being friends. I know you’re just trying to be happy like everyone else, and if you think feminism is the way to do that I just think you’re making a mistake, that’s all. It’s nothing to get offended about and it doesn’t mean I don’t like you as much as a person, I want you to be happy too and I don’t think feminism can give you that. I just want you to do what’s best.
Alice: And you know what’s best for me?!
Bob: I’m just telling you my experience, just like you’re telling me yours. That’s really the best any of us can do in this world.
Alice: (Well you’re wrong, but) I guess I can’t blame you if you (are really dumb enough to) believe that stuff since you don’t seem like you want to oppress women.
Bob: I sure don’t. My experience with women has been that they’re generally pretty nice.
Alice: Oh Bob, that’s sweet. I’m sorry for getting angry at you. I see how you could have a viewpoint like that with your experiences (and there might be something to it, which I’m probably never going to admit to you, but now every time I see unhappy feminists and happy non-feminists I’m automatically going to be more likely to notice the difference and this will inevitably affect my own view of feminism).

The choices you make shape the world you live in, both on a personal level and the level of greater society. Attack provokes defense and counterattack, but concern provokes questioning. Take the high road. If you can’t find it in yourself to do it for her, then do it for you and me and anyone else who is harmed by feminism. No matter which way you slice it, getting favorable results is better than not getting favorable results. The purpose of any communication is the response you get, and the response you want is for a feminist to become less feminist. For that to happen, you must make her listen to you enough for something useful to sink in. The most effective way to reinforce her idea that men are the enemy, and to stop her from understanding anything you’re trying to tell her is to make her feel angry and threatened. The most effective way to facilitate her letting go of beliefs she’s emotionally invested in is to make her feel safe. Feminists do not respond to reason, only emotion – you already know this.

You can “love your enemies”, or if you can’t do that, you can at least fake it for your own purposes, but the behavior that gets results is always the thinking man’s choice, whether you’re thinking of her benefit or your own. I’ve been down both roads. I once thought that feminists were “enemies” to be “fought”, that if they really think they can compete with men in any area and will be allowed to take advantage of our kindness indefinitely, then we should certainly take it upon ourselves to swiftly and decisively disabuse them of that notion. If that’s what you’re thinking right now, trust me, I know where you’re coming from. I’ve been there. I’ve moved on though, and I hope you can follow me because I can tell you it looks a lot better from here. Following changes in my overall perspective on life, my view of feminists has undergone a massive change as well. I now mostly feel sorry for them, formerly decent girls who got lured into a destructive cult, ruining both their own lives and those of people around them. No one is born a feminist and no one chooses to become one for any reason besides the lifelong search for happiness and contentment that we all share. If someone managed to deceive your daughter or your sister into thinking that men are causing her unhappiness and the only way to live an enjoyable life is to make men the enemy and destroy them, could you honestly blame her for making that her mission? I can’t. I can only feel sorry for her – an ironic reflection of the basic feminist victim mentality, I know – and the fact is that they are victims, victims of their own delusions, and we, as members in the society they’re shaping, are victims of their delusions as well. In a practical sense, they are hurting us, this is true, but I can’t bring myself to feel angry at them any more. I’ve had enough of anger, and I forgive them for they know not what they do. I’ll hurt one in self-defense if I must, but whenever a constructive solution is available that offers the best outcome for both of us, I hold no grudge and I make an effort to take the high road every time.

If you, too, can stop thinking of a poor, misguided girl as “the enemy”, you will be amazed at the effect it will have on your results. If we really are men of reason, we have no choice but to go with the optimal strategy. If we can’t do that, we must confront ourselves with some difficult questions.


The delusions about men and women propagated by our society cause massive damage to everyone in it. The mission of Delusion Damage is to help you reduce your suffering through understanding problems in a wider context where more “outside-the-box” solutions become available.

{ 202 comments… read them below or add one }

Firepower February 22, 2011 at 08:37

Don’t try to argue with a feminist*. Instead, only try to realize the truth: If she were the kind of person who could be persuaded by rational argument, she would hardly be a feminist in the first place. You can save yourself the trouble by taking a few moments to first consider how likely someone who has managed to acquire, hold onto and emotionally invest in an ideology that requires as much self-contradiction, willful blindness to evidence, and flat-out denial of the reality on the ground as feminism does is to respond to reason.

Only feminists?
*Your SAME strategy applies to any “ist”
brainwashed from decades of PC dogma; they are all The Enemy.

The time has long, long past when mere arguing was the suitable response. There comes a time when arguing is OVER and Man has to avenge Pearl Harbor, enforce Emancipation and kill Osama.

When that shining moment passes, discouragement piles on. As it has in our nation’s failure to kill Osama.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 38 Thumb down 35
Swivel February 22, 2011 at 08:42

Being logical and explaining things to a girl who doesn’t respect you is an exercise in futility. You might as well be asking a dog for the time. The dog might look interested and stare intently at you as you command it to tell you the time, but behind the skin the dog is operating on a purely instinctual and emotional level. What feels good = must be correct and what doesn’t feel right = must be wrong.

There is no lateral thinking involved, it’s a matter of dominance and submission. A man can learn more about getting a woman to respect you and meet your demands by watching Cesar Milan train people’s dog’s then he can with constantly justifying and rationalizing his thought process to her.

You’ve fallen into a trap many other men do and the problem is, in the vast majority of women, that male pursuit for an ordered and reason-based decision making process doesn’t exist.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 73 Thumb down 5
Mr. N February 22, 2011 at 08:44

Off topic.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/the-oscar-curse-or-why-it-stinks-to-be-a-successful-woman/

When I heard this on the radio I thought, “Wait until the men at the the-spearhead get a hold of it.”

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 3
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 08:49

The only stance to take with a feminist is to reject her. Write her off the books.

I believe in zero tolerance with feminists. I refuse to take their crap.

They can do what they want, of course, but so do I.

It’s not anger: it’s self-protection.

Forgive?

Well, maybe. But first, let’s wait and see if the Jews can forgive the Nazis.

I can hardly see a “victim” in a woman who holds my nuts in a vise.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 80 Thumb down 11
intp February 22, 2011 at 09:02

Avoiding women solves the puzzle.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 57 Thumb down 7
paigeu February 22, 2011 at 09:04

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 11 Thumb down 89
Richard P-Man February 22, 2011 at 09:04

Not so Secret Option G:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: (Points and Laughs at Alice) – OH GOD That is Funny… See ya!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 96 Thumb down 7
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 09:07

Or, if you have half a brain, you will immediatly peruse her book shelf and see all the titles she has been brainwashed with.

Then, recognize that this is a woman more dangerous than any man, even our president to you, at this time, alone in her apartement.

If she doesn’t like something you do, could be the smallest thing, like not going down on her first.

You can guarrentee, based on that book collection that she has a cable of crones with who she will be discussing every ascpect of your behavior, your timeliness, your attire, you political pursuasion, your vocabulary and every ascpect of your performance in bed.

And should a red flag appear to all these incredibly jealous overwieght entitlement queens in her cabal, she will turn on you like a cobra.

This is when you will be accused of RAPE.

It will be her word against yours and you will have to prove you didn’t rape her.

Evidence: See Julian Assange.

Don’t let them know your name, where you live, your car or plate or drivers license number. If you must hook up, take a cab to a hotel, get her number if you think you might want to see her again.

And if you see a feminist book, say, I just got a call, it’s my brother and it’s an emergency, I will call you and run, don’t walk, run for the exit.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 86 Thumb down 6
Herbal Essence February 22, 2011 at 09:09

Nearly everyone, man and woman, in the US is infected with feminism, it’s only a question of degree. It doesn’t even take “believing” in Feminism, it just takes believing in mainstream society.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 77 Thumb down 6
Hadamard February 22, 2011 at 09:13

I know I am personally still reacting like option A but would like to move to option C. The thing is I almost never come across actual feminists, mostly I deal with white knights who refuse to believe what is going on to men in the real world. They are all the type who have a cushy life and live in an ivory tower and ignore what is happening to the common man. I too live in an ivory tower but choose to look out the window to see what is going on in the real world and help my brothers.

What road do you take with white knights? I have noticed that younger men are far more willing to believe the truth than people over 30 if they live in an ivory tower.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 28 Thumb down 3
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 09:13

If anyone is still unconvinced, then why not read this:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/02/14/since-when-does-breaking-the-silence-mean-keeping-your-mouth-shut/

Note, in passing, that the article here is written by a woman.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 19 Thumb down 2
Ken February 22, 2011 at 09:15

I’d turn around and walk out at the fact she actually owned a “collection of lesbian love poems” LOL~I’d assume she was trapping me for a womb-goblin and later child-support while she goes on with life and her lesbian “partner”.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 50 Thumb down 5
aharon February 22, 2011 at 09:23

“… only try to realize the truth: If she were the kind of person who could be persuaded by rational argument, she would hardly be a feminist in the first place.”
—- Now that is a great truth.

“If you, too, can stop thinking of a poor, misguided girl as “the enemy”, you will be amazed at the effect it will have on your results. If we really are men of reason, we have no choice but to go with the optimal strategy. If we can’t do that, we must confront ourselves with some difficult questions.”
— DD, you are a very interesting person and a deep thinker.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 24 Thumb down 1
Rod February 22, 2011 at 09:25

When I think of feminism–or of “feminists” as a sort of bloodless abstraction–I see only red, and can think of only nasty things to say about it (or them). But when I think of some I have known personally–self-styled feminists to be sure, but people I have genuinely liked in spite of that–then my anger is replaced by a feeling of pity. They really are hurting themselves with their ideological blinders, and I wish they wouldn’t, but they don’t take kindly to reproof even if it’s well intentioned and for their own good.

I can’t help thinking of a woman who took two of my classes, a year apart. When I first got to know her, she had a very cheerful and pleasant disposition, and overall I found her very personality very engaging. I even remember thinking that if I had been a young man again, she was the sort I would like to get to know. She took another class from me after having been poisoned by Women’s Studies, and it was hard to believe she was the same person. After having been trained to feel a pea of oppression under twenty matresses, she was hard-bitten, crabbed, and coiled-ready-to-strike. Where she had once been very friendly toward me, she now seemed to see me as a wizzened onld patriarch, the enemy. So sad. I really couldn’t help feeling sorry for her.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 55 Thumb down 10
zed February 22, 2011 at 09:25

I’d turn around and walk out at the fact she actually owned a “collection of lesbian love poems” LOL~I’d assume she was trapping me for a womb-goblin and later child-support while she goes on with life and her lesbian “partner”.

Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner, folks.

Option “O”, for “Outta Here.”

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: Oh gosh, I didn’t realize that you were a lesbian… you look so… well, normal. I didn’t mean to offend you by indicating I was interested in you, and hope you aren’t angry at me for it.

Oh, gosh, look at the time!! I gotta go.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 68 Thumb down 5
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 09:28

Yes but Herbal E don’t you think a lesbian feminist book of love poems out on the couch might be a red flag that this particular female is a “hard core, extreme feminist”.

Or just do what you want. I have been in all these scenerios, men think with their dicks, until they get cropped, in family court.

Men will only learn by experience. For the MRM it is good that women are so overbearing that even young boys see whats going on. Us older guys, and I speak for myself are redundant to younger guys.

Heres a quote by a younger guy today from a feminist site:

Yeah, look, as someone who takes limited numbers of courses a semester, who moved back in with his parents, who isn’t married to a woman and who plays World of Warcraft, gotta say, Hymowitz’s analysis is le Bullshit.

These kinds of narratives of maturity/adolescence are really heavily based on fairly kyriarchal concepts not only of gender but of sexuality and ability. I’m frankly bored not only of expectations that success and maturity might be measured by heterosexual monogamy (an argument I think should be fairly self evident), but also that one’s life should follow some kind of universally measureable ontological process at all

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/02/21/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/

The comments are interesting, it seems the women are having to come to accept unmotivated men.

(And Hugo Schwyzer is the only one posting anti-male posts, egging the feminist on his psuedo-white night fashion, this coming from a community college “prof” who is in women studies because he likes banging co-eds)

When the feminists started, they knew that boys listened to their fathers so, boys have been taught for over 100 years to distrust and hate their fathers, so men cannot be taught, they have to learn by experience.

Once experienced is realized and that ahaa moment comes, then men will come here and learn.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 42 Thumb down 2
paigeu February 22, 2011 at 09:30

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 23 Thumb down 77
thehermit February 22, 2011 at 09:33

I know – and the fact is that they are victims, victims of their own delusions, and we, as members in the society they’re shaping, are victims of their delusions as well.

Something like that. Blaming someone else for your failures, same old, same old.
I’m not angry at them at all. The problem why you can’t debate feminists, that their basic dogmas are false. But they keep worshipping those basic dogmas, and never question them. If you question these beliefs, they finish the debate on a way or another.
One of their dogmas how the sort out men and women as oppressor/oppressed class.
John slapped Mary on the face, he can’t have any excuses or reasons for his behaviour. He’s a swine. Why? He’s a male.
oh wait, Cindy stabbed Jim with a kitchen knife, but she has tons of excuses for her behaviour, first of all, that Jim is a swine. Why? Because he’s an opressor, as a male. It can not be anything else.
Are they for equality? Come on.

The good thing about debate is not to win it, that makes little sense. If you are lucky, your words will echo days later in your opponents mind, and make some change, at least if he/she has some intellectual honesty.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 36 Thumb down 1
Ronin February 22, 2011 at 09:33

@Richard P-Man
“Not so Secret Option G:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!”

Bob: (Proceed to pump and dump on said couch)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 28 Thumb down 7
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 09:49

And about the high road. Our feminist overlords have passed that by generations ago.

If your enemy brings a gun, is it only moral to bring a knife. Even here, must men always lose?

Here is what feminists who are pissed that black prostitutes in New Orleans are forced to be on the sexual preditor watch lists:

the Center for Constitutional Rights, in Louisiana’s Orleans Parish “seventy-five percent of the people registered as sex offenders for solicitation of a crime against nature (SCAN) conviction are women, and 80 percent of them are African American.” What’s SCAN, and why is it putting so many Black women on the sex offender registry?

Louisiana’s SCAN statute increases existing penalties on soliciting oral or anal sex in exchange for money, and classifies them as a serious sex crime. As a result, a SCAN conviction forces women to register as sex offenders, putting those women at risk for the loss of their jobs, children, and homes, as well as other forms of harassment and violence. Additionally, the people most likely to be charged under the SCAN statute are women engaged in survival sex and street economies — low income women, women of color, and transgender women.

and then:

Since our founding in 1991, Women With A Vision has been standing with the women of New Orleans no questions asked,

http://www.thirdwavefoundation.org/why-are-so-many-black-women-being-forced-to-register-as-sex-offenders/

Why can’t we help all men, no questions asked, oh, yeah, that would mean advocating for pimps to not get arrested and punished.

Well, the feminists have no such morals holding them back. You want to win, know your enemy.

And protect your friends. If men knew that the MRM would help them “no matter what”, more men would come. Right now we are still dancing around “the high road”.

The young guy I posted above knows the score. Do we?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 41 Thumb down 1
Joanna February 22, 2011 at 09:56

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 49 Thumb down 69
aharon February 22, 2011 at 10:08

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 61
Rusty February 22, 2011 at 10:09

In re rubber meeting the high road: since most teachers are women, how would one respond to a striking teacher in Wisconsin?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 21 Thumb down 1
Seed February 22, 2011 at 10:10

Why would you bother with one?

Pump and dump.

NEXT!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 31 Thumb down 11
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 10:13

Strength of the type you describe is weakness, the inability of unwillingness to stand up to feminist bullys.

And to relying on logic to win this fight is a loser, how well has that worked for men so far?

Some men hear use emotive arguments for a reason. Men today are emotionally abused and brainwashed from birth. They don’t know what to think or how to feel.

By the time boys are teens they have already totally tuned out. But that was the feminist plan all along.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 39 Thumb down 4
aharon February 22, 2011 at 10:32

Some additional responses to any “I’m feminist and a Women’s Studies major” reply:

1. Oh, I’m sorry to hear that. Are you taking anti-depressant meds too like so many other women?
2. Really? How many false-rape and false sexual harassment allegation charges have you and your friend’s made?
3. Time for me to go. Enjoy your new couch. Bye.
4. You’re a feminist? Why do you hate women and children?
5. You’re a feminist? Thank you! Like so many modern liberated men I’m all for the marriage boycott and even going to get a vasectomy so no one can use me as a sperm bank and human ATM. My older brother Joe, with his PhD in Chemical Engineering, has moved away from America to Singapore and my younger brother Dick has moved to Alaska and taken up crab fishing. Dick doesn’t care about dating girls as he is into saving his money and playing computer games though occasionally he flies down to Las Vegas for female companionship and fun. Joe says that with the money he saves on dating and marriage he can afford some really hot women in Las Vegas. Someday, all us guys will be really free at last!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 53 Thumb down 4
silent February 22, 2011 at 10:33

Then we have Option D-

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Silent: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Silent: *scoff* Good times.
Alice: What do you mean?
Silent: (Aloof manner) Lesbian love poems are a bit much. Have you even kissed a girl before?
Alice: Yeah, but only when I’ve been drinking.
Silent: (Still aloof) I call bullshit. Show me which of the girls on your facebook you’ve made out with.
Alice: Whatever
Silent: (Slight judgmental tone) Ha, so they were ugly huh. Show me the hottest one.
Alice: (Brings up her facebook friends list on her trendy MacBook whatever) Sarah is probably the cutest.
Silent: (Aloof as ever) Eh, she’s decent. She should party with us this weekend. I’ll bring the Maker’s and Coke, you bring whatever chick-drink broads drink nowadays.
Alice: I guess. I have Yogalates til 9 on Friday though.
Silent: Done. Hey, isn’t there a new episode of House on hulu.com?
Alice: Oh! Right! I love House! blah blah blah…

Ms. Paigeu

Since you’re a woman, you’re held to a different standard than the men here. If your comment doesn’t seem relevant enough, you’ll get downvoted.

I know that I am a total sucker for a good sob story. I don’t care what your opinions are…you give me a sob story I can’t help but want to hug you. If you throw in some water-works too then you really got me. I will sit there and cry right along with you.

Relevant? Not really. Your posts are a hit or miss, but glad to have you here anyway. It sounds like you’re trying.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 34 Thumb down 10
Firepower February 22, 2011 at 10:34

SingleDad

Some men here use emotive arguments for a reason. Men today are emotionally abused and brainwashed from birth. They don’t know what to think or how to feel.

What’s worse, is when called on their feminine tactics of “argument” these boys scream, yell and stomp their feet…and use anything but facts to defend themselves…just like females.

I truly feel pity for them once the old guys die off and leave them leaderless.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 25
Traveller February 22, 2011 at 10:34

First.

Never argue with a woman, not only with a feminist. If you want argue, try to discuss very calmly, never forget she is much more under the influence of emotions, never forget her internal world is blurred with her vision of reality.

Second.

As someone before noticed, for me too, it never happened a woman defined herself a feminist. Probably in hard leftist environments they are, but I do not swim on such sewers…
That said, it is also true many woman have the feminist view without knowing it. They often criticize men as a whole, disrespect them, have double standards in relationships and so, get angered when speaking of the traditional woman role as mother or housewife. But most of them will never accept for themselves the feminist label.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 22, 2011 at 10:36

OT.
Those of you living the US will want to click on these two links. They were just popped into my mailbox.

http://www.republicfornewyork.org/
http://sovereigncopwatch.ning.com/

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 7
Wisconsi February 22, 2011 at 10:37

The only high road is the one in which you win. There’s no need to complicate things.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 2
Joanna February 22, 2011 at 10:38

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 18 Thumb down 69
Gunn February 22, 2011 at 10:39

Oh the poor little women, boohoohooo

Whilst its very nice that many of you can see the vulnerable girl underneath the feminist-inspired hate persona she’s created around herself, you’re kidding yourself if you think that your good nature will prevent shit happening if she decides to use her female entitlement to screw you over.

Depending on your appetite for risk, you can take your relationship with her as far you like, but never kid yourself that you’re the special guy who’ll bring out the best in princess; its a sure way to fuck your life up.

Personally, in the scenario given, I don’t think you have much choice: you need to gtfo and not look back. Red flags don’t come much more obvious than the scenario painted.

If every man, or even a significant number, rejected feminists out of hand as relationship material, I suspect that a lot of women on the fence would choose men rather than feminism. But they’ll never make that choice until the chips are down.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 66 Thumb down 5
evilwhitemalempire February 22, 2011 at 10:40

aharon

Many females are possibly, just possibly, actually gifted at birth to be born on a bit higher spiritual and emotional plane than the average boy

This is the reason that the MRM will be little more than a damage control exercise in the errosion of men’s rights.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 34 Thumb down 13
evilwhitemalempire February 22, 2011 at 10:44

People will respond to integrity more so than they will to anger.

So that’s why feminism was a success! (sarcasm)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 51 Thumb down 2
Robert February 22, 2011 at 10:50

SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 09:28

“(And Hugo Schwyzer is the only one posting anti-male posts, egging the feminist on his psuedo-white night fashion, this coming from a community college “prof” who is in women studies because he likes banging co-eds)”

Who is to say they aren’t banging him with “select-a-size” strap ons?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 29 Thumb down 1
zed February 22, 2011 at 10:51

As a woman I don’t like saying this, but most women are followers, and are very impressionable. They have grown up with this brainwashing all their lives.

That sounds good in theory, but it does not match my personal experiences. Women of my generation did not grow up with feminist brainwashing all their lives, yet they took to it like a flock of ducks to water. I remember one of the main dilemmas for young feminists back in the late 1960s – early 70s was “Can I be a feminist and still like men?” I saw literally dozens of articles on that subject. I remember being quite taken aback when a bristling young feminist I was dating referred to her feminist “consciousness raising” group as a “perfectly satisfying man-hating session.” Erin Pizzey has written about observing much the same thing during the same time period.

On the being followers issue – feminism, by feeding man-hating and distrust, convinced women that if they did not oppose us on every little thing, no matter how trivial, that we would clobber them over the head and drag them into the kitchen and chain them to the stove and keep them there barefoot and pregnant. That remains one of the most common straw men we deal with even today.

Thus, for years I ended up dealing with women who had a knee-jerk compulsion to oppose me on everything. If I said “up”, their response would be “NO, DOWN!!!!” If I said “left”, it was NO, RIGHT!!!!

Among my people we have a saying that 2 people working together can accomplish more than 3 people working alone. My experience has been that I can always accomplish more working alone than when wasting my time and energy trying to overcome the opposition of a woman who really isn’t thinking about the position she is taking at all, but has been so brainwashed into fearing me that she automatically assumes that I am wrong and the opposite of what I say is right.

I even used to have fun with this compulsion among women by getting into Daffy Duck type arguments with them and subtly switching mid-argument to arguing for their starting position which they would react to by starting to argue for my starting position. I would ramp up the argument a bit to get them really spun up until they would almost be screaming my initial position back at me, and then I would go “I give up! You are right!” and say back to them what they had just said, that I had started with.

The looks on their faces was always priceless.

They are not “evil” per se, just brainwashed.

Which kills you more dead – being gored by an angry rhinoceros, or crushed by a clumsy lumbering elephant?

If more men would see them for the pitiful, unfulfilled people they are and feel sorry for them, it would improve gender relations significantly.

I guess this is where some of the traditionalist thinking comes into play. I can certainly see someone with whom I have no significant involvement in this manner, but when it comes to personal involvement the calculus changes. As a man, I would like a helpmate who brings something to the table that I do not have and would enrich my life in some way – not a sulky child to raise who nonetheless gets to pretend to be an equal (actually superior) adult.

Perhaps that means I am abdicating my role to “lead”, but the reality of today’s relationships is that few women are willing to follow, and if I am going to take both of us in the direction of my choosing it ends up meaning that I have to drag her – kicking and screaming every inch of the way.

Once a man reaches a certain age and his energy level goes down, it turns out just to be a whole lot more trouble than it is worth.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 81 Thumb down 3
aharon February 22, 2011 at 10:51

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 47
paigeu February 22, 2011 at 10:52

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 69
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 10:53

@Gunn:
“Personally, in the scenario given, I don’t think you have much choice: you need to gtfo and not look back. Red flags don’t come much more obvious than the scenario painted.”

Precisely the right thing to do.

BUT!

Before you do so, make sure you rake all the money that belongs to you and put it in a safe place.
And THEN, it’s time to say good-bye.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 21 Thumb down 0
Hedgewolf February 22, 2011 at 10:54

“The most effective way to facilitate her letting go of beliefs she’s emotionally invested in is to make her feel safe. Feminists do not respond to reason, only emotion – you already know this.
Very timely article. Thank you for writing it.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 8
Robert February 22, 2011 at 10:56

Word of caution Gentlemen; no matter what road you choose, be wary of “land mines” and snipers. Feminism has made life a battlefield.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 39 Thumb down 1
Firepower February 22, 2011 at 10:57

Joanna

However I do think that taking the high road is the most effective and honest choice. It is not letting someone push you around if you stand up by calmly and logically stating WHY feminism is damaging on so many different levels and that you will not be a part of it

.You’re polite, so I won’t use my usual fearsome cruelty in conjunction with my response.

If a man “takes the high road” and is dumb enough to start “logically stating WHY feminism is damaging” at his place of work, he’ll find very quickly the Socialist Liberal Status Quo power structure gives him unsatisfactory job status reports and he is out of a job.

So much for speaking from the heart, as if Jebus would stoop down from Golden Heaven to defend the poor innocent lamb-man.

People will respond to integrity more so than they will to anger.

THIS is the tactic Liberal Fascists use when they want their enemies to lay off beating the tar out of them.

When it’s Socialist Liberal’s ox being gored…you see screaming Wisconsin bureaucrats waving signs calling for the death of the governor.

Hypocrisy IS a tactic of Socialist Liberals.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 59 Thumb down 6
TomJW February 22, 2011 at 10:58

paigeu February 22, 2011 at 09:30

I’ll admit I used automatically ‘Dislike’ whatever you wrote, along with some other women’s comments. Reading others comments that you can be reasonable at times has changed me to reading your comments and not clicking if I’m not sure one way or the other.
I’m very sure about your first comment on men crying. It just rubs me the wrong way. If the tears can be faked, the guy should just game you.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 14 Thumb down 4
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 22, 2011 at 10:58

paigeu February 22, 2011 at 09:30
“Anyone care to explain?”

You are so f***ing stupid….but then again you are a feminised woman. You are being voted down because you are a woman and you are NOT welcome here. We don’t want to hear ANYTHING you have to say. Women have NOTHING interesting to say. You should be out doing what you were told to do or shutting up. Period.

Joanna February 22, 2011 at 09:56
“As a woman I don’t like saying this”

Then don’t. Just shut up. GO AWAY!! We don’t want you here. 90%+ of us.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 73 Thumb down 37
Lovekraft February 22, 2011 at 11:12

It used to be that, if one wanted stability and sanity in the home, the male was expected to gently nod in agreement to her inanity and find some refuge (man-cave) until things blow over.

Those days are long gone. Men have woken up to the lies and shit-tests and are willing and able to debate with a full arsenal of logic, facts and determination.

Two options when with a feminized woman (which, IMO, include pretty much all western woman today):

1. truce. clear boundaries. if one gets to nag the other gets to be abrasive. if one is clingy/needy, the other gets to be horny/gropy. Fair is fair and all that.

2. fight the battle of ideologies. Counter her fem/emotional porn with movies like Blue Valentine, articles from sites like The Spearhead or, better yet, A Shrink 4 Men. And if she is really combative, sit down with her and make her watch this:

http://manhood101.com/media.html

It’ll open up the field to debate and let her know that you are onto her games. The only alternative is option 1, which is basically handing your manhood over to her.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 6
SMC February 22, 2011 at 11:14

paigeu February 22, 2011 at 09:30

Sometimes I understand why I am getting down-voted and sometimes I don’t. I can’t figure out why mentioning the female weakness for a sad story would be such a negative thing. Anyone care to explain?

Men here are “hurt” and female presence itself reminds them of this pain. (…It mocks them with ‘quivering vertical-ness‘ implicit in every pointe by pointe y’all step, if I may wax po`eh-teek.)

———–
Now as far as your comment above itself.

You understand that that fictional boy who gave you an empathy inducing sob story of his pain is someone your “hind brain”(PUA speak) is never going to “love” (yes, in “that way”–the morning-straddling of your blanky way).

(And that hurts him in a complex profound way, further contributing to his pain: a woman’s pity is almost as bad as a woman’s mocking. …Getting pity from a woman for a man is like a fat chick eating her way to thinness –it is a negative loop.

[That is why it is crucial that society not contribute to making men weak. It is liking forcing a chick to over eat and then walk down the street naked ...on her hands, legs agaped... without panties on. She will be ignored, ridiculed AND taken advantage of all at the same time; and then sobbing her story out is the equivalent of eating more cookies and practicing her hand stand splits.])

Oh and it gets worse…

The boy who you will “love” (in that way) will make you envious and angry _when you are not swooning in feminine delirium for his “primitive bits” (given female reactionary anger and shame over your own secret submission)_. Consequently you –and the rest of your harem-collective– will try to make him weak (for those reactionary anger reasons AND test-him reasons).

And if/when then he becomes weak, you will cry along with his sob story [well maybe some will, history shows] BUT you won’t “love” him anymore.

And on and on it goes…

Times an entire society.


And now your female open callosum will explain to me that there is something called “[spiritual love]“.

Translated this mean weak-libido people, the damaged (unattractive/the “settlers”) or old age (where in libido chemicals have fallen away to a once a month “push the beds together” situation of awkward un-’satisfactori’-ness).

Most youngins aint that; governed by the ‘quivering vertical primitive bits’, they are. Therefore “spiritual love” is an anecdote.

—–
And on and on it goes…

Times an entire society.

(So now you’ll say–along with the ubiquitous down votes I will receive– “you are so arrogant maccloud, you think you know everything –even about this ‘quivering, straddling’ secret stuff.”

Yes. And the most arrogant thing about all this is I aint half wrong.)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 45 Thumb down 5
Robert February 22, 2011 at 11:14

OT; Angry mom lashes out at scumbag judge- sentences kids to jail for $

http://videosift.com/video/Mom-Lashes-Out-At-Scumbag-Judge

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1
Keyster February 22, 2011 at 11:16

I won’t engage in a discussion with a self-proclaimed feminist.
My knowledge and experience is such that it would only serve to enrage them and not change their mind about anything. If she were a professional feminist, an academic of some sort, I’d her have it. But more often then not the amatuer “wanna-be’s” that are so common, aren’t worth it.

My sister in law started in on my once and I told her I wouldn’t debate her because I know so much and she knows so little it would be like having a duel, only I have a shot gun and she has a knife. It just wouldn’t be fair to even begin and only serve to piss her off.

I’ve learned to just let it go with most individual women.
They lack the capacity to comprehend a deeper understanding of most things, feminism included. All they know is it’s right and it’s good and it helps them be as good as men.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 46 Thumb down 2
nigeles175d February 22, 2011 at 11:17

@paigeu

Sometimes I understand why I am getting down-voted and sometimes I don’t. I can’t figure out why mentioning the female weakness for a sad story would be such a negative thing. Anyone care to explain?

Perhaps too many of us have been told by women that they would like us to express our “softer” side, yet as soon as we do, we are dumped as “wimps”. This might have led us not to believe women’s claims in this area.

Thanks for sticking up for the guys’ side on other forums/’blogs by the way.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 40 Thumb down 4
scatmaster February 22, 2011 at 11:18

I thought April 1st was a little over a month away.
You are kidding right?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 22, 2011 at 11:20

Joanna February 22, 2011 at 09:56
“If more men would see them for the pitiful, unfulfilled people they are and feel sorry for them, it would improve gender relations significantly.”

Yeah bitch. I feel real f***ing sorry for my ex since she only got 95% of the assets I created. Maybe I should send her some more, eh? I feel real sorry she got legal aid, irish citizenship, kidnapped the children. I feel real sorry that she got all the sympathy and support despite the fact she’s a criminal.

I really must call the poor wimminz and tell her how f***ing sorry I feel for her, eh?

And you wonder why us men are SICK TO DEATH of the shit you women type.

F*** OFF!!! FOR GODS SAKE. Don’t you know WHEN YOU ARE NOT WELCOME!

YOU WOMEN ARE SUCH C***S YOU WILL NOT LEAVE WHEN IT IS MADE CLEAR TO YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT WELCOME!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 78 Thumb down 19
Lovekraft February 22, 2011 at 11:22

Robert: “Word of caution Gentlemen; no matter what road you choose, be wary of “land mines” and snipers. Feminism has made life a battlefield.”

Well spoken. Women can be very cunning and if you practice it, you can watch them fret and hatch their plans, the more fretting reflective of how much standing and moral certainty you, the man, possess.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 38 Thumb down 0
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 11:33

@P.O.N.
“YOU WOMEN ARE SUCH C***S YOU WILL NOT LEAVE WHEN IT IS MADE CLEAR TO YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT WELCOME!”

Leeches do that, too.
Maybe you still have some blood in you that they want to suck.
What a curse they are!

Kudos to you!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 40 Thumb down 3
Joanna February 22, 2011 at 11:49

I’ve enjoyed some thought provoking discussions with several members of this board, especially zed. It’s becoming apparent to me, however, that female presence here is counterproductive. I think this sentence written by SMC sums it up nicely:

“Men here are “hurt” and female presence itself reminds them of this pain.”

I know everyone here does not share the extreme, emotionally charged opinions expressed in this post. Frankly, such an atmosphere is toxic and does not make me want to contribute on this board anymore. The level of viciousness only serves to illustrate just how damaging feminism has been. It’s heartbreaking.

It is possible that the very presence of women here is derailing the conversation, thereby lowering its quality and productivity. To change that I have a small suggestion: perhaps the moderator should establish a men’s-only message board and verify identities on the telephone, on a webcam, or through pictures of members holding a Spearhead sign. I am sure that would take a tremendous amount of effort, though.

Since I support the men’s rights movement, I do not wish for my presence here to evoke such profound hatred in some contributors and derail the quality of the discussion.

For the rest of you, please know that you have female supporters out there who value men for who they are, not for what they can provide, and that we are getting the word about the MRM out to other women.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 45 Thumb down 57
Herbal Essence February 22, 2011 at 11:50

In my opinion, women really aren’t worth debating. Might as well debate water from running downhill. They’re not going to listen until they’re emotionally prepared to, and no amount of rhetorical skill is going to win her over until then.

Though I can see the value of debate if one is in a public forum, and the debate might influence some onlookers.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 45 Thumb down 3
zed February 22, 2011 at 12:02

The level of viciousness only serves to illustrate just how damaging feminism has been.

And, if you take away nothing else from your time here, Joanna, take this to heart – feminism is the most destructive thing to happen to western culture in more than half a century.

If you shoot a man in the guts with a shotgun, he doesn’t just “get over it” right away. Healing can take a very long time. While he is healing, you can’t poke him in the gut the same way you can an uninjured man and have it not be a big deal.

Here at the Spearhead we deal with what are sometimes open festering gangrenous sores left over from wounds that men are given little help to heal. When they do manage to heal themselves, if they can, the idea of “helping” those who refused to help them comes across as a bit self-serving.

I would be happy to continue a conversation with you via email, if you would like. Click the “Contact” tab at the top of the page and choose my name from the drop down list.

Things are not going to get better on their own. If you don’t want to see the percentage of men who regard women like the ones here do increase dramatically over the next several years, you need to think about getting actively involved in building a better future for your children and their children.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 58 Thumb down 2
John Boy February 22, 2011 at 12:08

Always take the high road. First, actually take a minute to ask her and listen why she is taking a course on lesbo-po and what it does for her personally. Then take a minute to feed back what she has told you so she knows you listened to her and pay her a small compliment. That is when you drop a bomb. Tell her you are into Men’s Rights and that you support changing the custody laws, alimony laws, and you are into a flatter income tax because it “harms” men less. If she cannot take the time to listen or be concerned, or worse, if she reacts like a selfish pig and gets angry or irritated then politely thank her, turn around and leave.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 6
evilwhitemalempire February 22, 2011 at 12:12

aharon said:
I’m not sure what you meant by that statement.

Acknowledging that men amd women are different is one thing.

Many females are possibly, just possibly, actually gifted at birth to be born on a bit higher spiritual and emotional plane than the average boy

This reeks of Victorian era nonsense about the moral superiority of women.
Feminism would have not been possible without such a dualistic mindest already in place in the 19th century.
Back then it was “women can’t be held accountable for their actions” one moment and the next it was “women are morally superior”.
Sound familiar?

Your train of thought is what paved the way to feminism to begin with.

She was born with the capacity to be a wonderful human being,

She was born with the capacity to fuck with your mind.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 53 Thumb down 2
SMC February 22, 2011 at 12:33

evilwhitemalempire February 22, 2011 at 12:12

aharon: “Many females are possibly, just possibly, actually gifted at birth to be born on a bit higher spiritual and emotional plane than the average boy ”

EvWhMaEm: This reeks of Victorian era nonsense about the moral superiority of women.
Feminism would have not been possible without such a dualistic mindest already in place in the 19th century.
Back then it was “women can’t be held accountable for their actions” one moment and the next it was “women are morally superior”.
Sound familiar?

Your train of thought is what paved the way to feminism to begin with.

aharon: “She was born with the capacity to be a wonderful human being,”

EvWhMaEm: She was born with the capacity to fuck with your mind.

Correct.

She has the potential to be a well trained leased bear. If that society wide training mechanism is there.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 3
SMC February 22, 2011 at 12:35

Damn. I meant “leashed” bear.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 4
yohami February 22, 2011 at 12:35

Secret option C is flawled, in the real world she will turn that conversation into manipulation before the dialogue ever starts:

“Alice: That’s because you hate feminism and that means you hate women!” (rolls her eyes, turns her back, slams the door)

My take on it:

Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: Ewwww! lesbians are gross! (with a huge grin)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 23 Thumb down 1
aharon February 22, 2011 at 12:40

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 49
Robert February 22, 2011 at 12:41

Robert February 22, 2011 at 11:14
OT; Angry mom lashes out at scumbag judge- sentences kids to jail for $

http://videosift.com/video/Mom-Lashes-Out-At-Scumbag-Judge

Like or Dislike: 0 0

The judge this mom lashed out at, accepted millions in bribes in return for sentencing kids, including her son ( an all-star wrestler), who shot himself in the heart after being sentenced to a juvenile detention facility, for a minor drug offence. Afterword the young man shot himself in the heart. I wonder how many young men he sold out, as well as, issued ” the penis penalty just so he could profit from such. Iwonder how many females he issued a vagina pass to. The mother of this young man is more than likely excommunicated from/ banned from “the sisterhood”.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 18 Thumb down 1
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 22, 2011 at 12:41

OT.
you guys might want to check these out too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TegGzfzLkwM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 3
SMC February 22, 2011 at 12:42

Now joanne

I don’t care if you leave or jump off a bridge or whatever.

But I find your description of my post above fascinating and telling.

“Extreme”; “Toxic”; “Vicious”.

Fascinating.

Truly.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 4
Anonymous February 22, 2011 at 12:44

Hadamard’s question hasn’t been answered yet:

“What road do you take with white knights? I have noticed that younger men are far more willing to believe the truth than people over 30 if they live in an ivory tower.”

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
Robert February 22, 2011 at 12:44

The judge faces a sentence of over one-hundred years in prison though prosecutors say he will receive less than this. Hot debate what do you think?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 12:50

The conditions in which men are dipped remind me of the “Versailles Treaty” where Germany had been gutted down and every hope of redress was denied to the German people.

We all know what happened in 1939: ONE man was enough to trigger the second world war because the resentment had exceeded the capacity of the German people to cope. It took twenty years.
Many Arab countries are now revolting against systems that reduce them into slavery, much like what is happening to men in the West.
Bullets can no longer stop those people: the situation is out of control for those in power. It has taken thirty years.
Men in the West have been subjugated with the same violence for over forty years. The time is ripe.

We haven’t seen the end of the uprisings. Some of it will land… on our laps wether we like it or not.

Two totalitarian systems are on the verge of collapsing:
1-the Arab world and
2-The Western world.

Take a good hard look at Libya: even machine guns can’t stop the uprising.
The more people die, the greater the resolve.
The going may get tough. I hope, for their sake, that women are aware of what’s coming down and have prepared to deliver the fight of their lives…

And for the men: even the most sadistic government cannot resist men’s resolve. Hundreds have died in Libya, yet the fight continues.
When Uncle Sam will speak to us with its bombers and machine guns, many will die but the revolution will take place.

The Arab nations will have their new and free world.

So will we, but many heads will GTOW. All the acid will have to be extracted forcefully.

We owe it to our sons to set them free. They must not be dipped into this ocean of poison lest they hate us for our cowardice..

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 29 Thumb down 1
piercedhead February 22, 2011 at 12:57

The level of viciousness only serves to illustrate just how damaging feminism has been.

It’s more than just viciousness, it’s all-out, heart-felt hatred – and I don’t mean the Obama type of hatred that can be profitably distilled with a little cynical one-sided legislation into fines, anger management courses and artificial stimulants for the law-order-prison industry . I’m talking instead about the righteous hatred that slowly grows in a man’s heart over decades of abuse, and then suddenly drives him to march in the streets and stand in the path of a tank, or before hundreds of heavily armed troops, and throw rocks at them. It can finally motivate a million people to acts of extreme despair for nothing more than an assurance that they never have to tolerate one more day of a prick like Mubarak or Gaddafi lecturing them on their TV sets. They so thoroughly hate that they would tear the objects of their hatred limb from limb – just ripping down photos and statues brings them relief.

And always – unbelievably – ‘experts’ sit around saying things like ‘well, nobody saw that coming’.

Like the rain, nothing could be more predictable. Only the timing is hard to pick.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 33 Thumb down 3
F.M.R February 22, 2011 at 12:58

If only women were rational enough to make this possible. Option C would, unfortunately, pan out more like this nowadays:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: Oh, I’m sorry.
Alice: What?!
Bob: Well, it’s your choice of course, but in my experience getting involved in feminism tends to make people angrier and bring unnecessary unhappiness into their lives.
Alice: Where the hell did you get that?!
Bob: Whenever a new scientific study on happiness is published, it seems to me that they always show that women’s happiness in the Western world has been steadily declining since feminism has been gaining popularity, and that women in less feminist countries are happier. This supports my personal experiences. Women who talk about feminism a lot always seem to me to be angry and distraught, and happy women who are pleasant to be around never seem to talk much about feminism. It just seems to me based on all of this that feminism is really bad for women. I mean, you and I were having a good time just now, but it didn’t take a minute from the mention of feminism for you to start swearing at me.
Alice: That’s because you hate feminism and that means you hate women!
Bob: No! I love women! I’ve just never seen feminism do anything good for a woman.
Alice: What about voting?! What about equality?! Do you think women should just cook dinner and stay at home with the children?!
Bob: Of course not, but you don’t have to be a feminist to have options these days. Whatever changes happened in society decades ago and whether feminism had anything to do with them or if it was just inevitable because of technological progress and stuff, I’m not really an expert on all that. I just know what I’ve seen in my life which is that women who choose feminism seem to be making a bad choice for themselves. That’s my experience and if you have a different one I accept that we can disagree on this, and I’m okay with that. We probably don’t have the same religious beliefs either and I don’t think that should stop us from being friends. I know you’re just trying to be happy like everyone else, and if you think feminism is the way to do that I just think you’re making a mistake, that’s all. It’s nothing to get offended about and it doesn’t mean I don’t like you as much as a person, I want you to be happy too and I don’t think feminism can give you that. I just want you to do what’s best.
Alice: And you know what’s best for me?!
Bob: I’m just telling you my experience, just like you’re telling me yours. That’s really the best any of us can do in this world.
Alice: Youre a fucking misogynist! I dont care what you say if you speak ill of feminism youre a relic of the stone age who beats and rapes women! go back to the 50′s you pig!

Youve made the same mistake I used to. You think anyone who has succumbed to feminism uses their brain for more than basic functions.

The simple truth to a feminist is that you are always wrong if you dont agree 100% with her. The world is divided into feminists and misogynists. Its us against crafty, clever patriarchy, and we are being attacked from all sides. Any means is justified as long as the end is “equality”. Therefore, blindy lash out at any who even rightly oppose feminism, and harm them with anything and everything you can throw at them.

If you make the mistake of taking the high road with feminists, all they will do is drag you back down. And if you try to convince them they are wrong, all theyll do is make you regret it when your guard is down.

There are exceptions, of course. There are exceptions to every rule. But finding a rational feminist is like finding a needle in a haystack, only the needle is constantly moving to the farthest point in the haystack away from you. More often, when you think youve found one, they are simply feminists who know this isnt an argument they can win by screaming at the top of their lungs, so they keep their mouth shut to your face, and stab you in the back instead.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 39 Thumb down 1
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 13:02

You link feminism with decreased female happiness. Here’s my observation:

I’m a grumpy old bastard; demanding, highly critical and sometimes insulting, obsessive and very difficult to live with yet The Mrs Gruff tells me how much she loves me, how handsome I am, how funny I am when I make her laugh etc. etc., every day. On the rare occasion that I accompany The Mrs Gruff shopping I leave carrying the basket or pushing the trolley to her. She has never complained in almost nineteen years.

Over those nineteen years I’ve noticed that the happy couples are those in which he is not obviously her dogsbody. The miserable couples almost always consist of an acid faced, power dressed female walking imperiously about trailed by an obviously downtrodden thirty something to middle-aged male, dressed in the latest beach boy fashions (by his wife), pushing a trolley in which a small child behaves like a caged animal while another screams and squawks in the built in baby seat, and a not long since newborn seeks vainly for breast milk at his father’s chest in one of those poly-cotton slings that ‘modern’ couples wear as though they were the membership card of an exclusive club for highly advanced thinkers of a very superior breed.

My experience suggests that a happy woman is one who knows her place and a happy man is one who is not afraid to remind her when necessary.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 54 Thumb down 1
The Private Man February 22, 2011 at 13:04

Discourse with a feminist. Snort, chuckle, guffaw.

That’s some funny stuff, right there.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 37 Thumb down 1
CSPB February 22, 2011 at 13:06

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 47
Gunn February 22, 2011 at 13:16

@aharon

I’ve no idea where you get your shit from, but most religious or mystical traditions teach that men are able to transcend their mortal identities and reach toward god far more easily than women. My view on this is that its largely because women by nature are more focused on themselves and their feelings, whilst men study the world around them and want to understand it.

Mysticism is, apart from the lack of objectivity, akin to scientific study; it teaches man to explore the nature of the world through meditation and through stillness of the everyday mind. Just like science, women both lack interest and aptitude in this type of activity.

For someone to believe that ‘inherent spirituality’ means anything in the absence of the journey towards the godhead is narcissistic rubbish. To assert that female babies are inherently more spiritual than male babies is to tragically misunderstand the nature of spirituality itself.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 43 Thumb down 0
Robert February 22, 2011 at 13:20

CSPB February 22, 2011 at 13:06
“I don’t see the point in chasing off all the women. In order for things to change, more people need to be aware.”

Most of the women/womyn post here adds nothing significant/valuable to the topic. Yes, I post OT comments but they are related to men’s rights/issues.

” Certainly there are trolls, but there have been many well intentioned women that have commented at The Spearhead.”

We know this. Hestia, Crella and, Laura-Robbins-Grace have posted here they seem to have more than a clue as to what is being discussed here.

“Rudeness also drives away a lot of men that need to learn some of these things. This is a hostile environment Many people have no stomach to wade through the crap to find the diamonds.”

Feminism, from it’s beginning, has BEEN rude, crude, unreasoning and, hateful. Will you call them out on this? I rightfully do.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 47 Thumb down 4
Robert February 22, 2011 at 13:24

Though I am cautious, I am not antiwoman. I AM anti/counter-feminist.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 2
Robert February 22, 2011 at 13:27

This IS a site for men to speak freely.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 42 Thumb down 2
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 13:43

Robert wrote: ‘ Though I am cautious, I am not antiwoman … ‘

You’re not alone. Very few men are anti woman: We are all the sons of women and many of us are the husbands or partners of the same, and fathers and grandfathers of women, as I am, and as annoying as they can be we love them anyway.

That we may have been overly, unduly and improperly influenced by women in our formative years is no reason why we should put up with their nonsense for the rest of our (shorter than women’s) lives. Only a feminist or mangina would accuse you of being anti woman because you stand up for yourself as a a man against the depravity and depredations of feminism.

Never apologise, never explain.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 49 Thumb down 2
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 13:47

@ Robert

I saw that video of the mom yelling at the judge and I saw the interview she had on a major MSM TV news program.

It seems that she, like most women, trusted the police. That was the heart of her problem.

Her son was at a party in senior year and there was alcohol and good old mom thought she knew some policemen and figured her son would not get into trouble.

Problem was she called the cops and now he’s dead.

Yes the judge is a scum bag that should go to prison for his corruption, he owned part of the juvi facility he sent the kid to.

But the look on moms face is the look of a feminist that can’t believe the world hated her son enough to drive him to suicide.

And she started it. How many of us here can tell a similar story about being turned in to the police for false allegations or to position with wife or girlfriend for a better custody deal.

He committed the sin of not listening to his single mother, so she sicked her proxy dads on him, the police, and now he’s dead.

Do we blame the boy, raised by this single mom, you have to see the video, she is the epitome of the kind of mother we complain about here, for committing suicide? He shot himself in the heart.

Or did his mom shoot him in the heart when she picked up that phone and dialed 911?

Who is to blame, the false accuser or the judge that believes her?

Deep in her heart this mom knows.

Don’t ever call the police on anyone you love, they are not there to help.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 45 Thumb down 1
Gunn February 22, 2011 at 13:49

CSPB wrote:

I don’t see the point in chasing off all the women. In order for things to change, more people need to be aware. Certainly there are trolls, but there have been many well intentioned women that have commented at The Spearhead. Rudeness also drives away a lot of men that need to learn some of these things. This is a hostile environment Many people have no stomach to wade through the crap to find the diamonds.

I think you miss the real point CSPB. It doesn’t matter whether women come on side, or if they support the articles here. In fact, I suspect that one of the reasons why the Spearhead is attacked so vigorously is that many feminists are realising that their usual tactics are becoming irrelevant, and it scares the shit out of them. When you have tame blogs like TTH attacking the Spearhead as a misogynistic club for scarred men who are spreading their own ‘fears’ of marriage onto young men and destroying that institution, you have to realise that the real issue is that even traditionalist women, never mind out-and-out feminists, are suddenly becoming very scared about what happens when men simply don’t give a shit about protecting or providing for women anymore.

As for the men – logical debate will not turn the manginas. No one who declares himself a feminist (and sadly, there are far too many men that do) is going to be swayed by logic and reason. For every reason backed by fact you offer up, they will spout mantras they have learned about the patriarchy, or the historical oppression of women, or that 1 in 4 women are raped, or whatever. Any man ‘driven away’ by the rudeness is not a man, but a rather a scared boy running for his mother’s skirt to hide behind. Men don’t fear words; but we have a healthy regard for the violence they can cause, which means we use them with care. And the funny thing is, there are actually virtually no commentators that spout on about causing violence to women on this site; rather, we have people pointing out the logical consequences of pushing men too far, making life so unjust, that ultimately you leave men with nothing to hope for. Such men, with nothing to lose and their backs to the wall, well a few of them will react (and even then, only a few – for men, contrary to feminist propaganda, really don’t hate women).

This isn’t hate speech; its simply connecting cause and effect, something that is considered politically incorrect in today’s world.

If you equate strong language, and direct speech, with a hostile environment, then I have to tell you that you’ve lived far too sheltered a life. Maybe there are far too many men like this, who instinctively shrink from conflict, preferring the warm comfort of their feminised society. But those are the guys that will not be turned by nice words either; rather, it will take a complete upheaval of their lives. Thats how a lot of the guys here ended up here themselves, and why they’re angry about it.

So don’t worry about meaningless constituencies being put off by the words and messages relayed here; they are irrelevant, and unnecessary.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 45 Thumb down 3
POIUYT February 22, 2011 at 13:51

Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) deserves multiple up-votes, but the browser software isnt allowing it to even register one.

There has to be an improved method of supporting and approving of posters and comentators.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 11
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 13:53

OT:

How do feminists respond to the issue of male children of rape being forced to pay child support to a female pedo-rapist who gets custody, from the comments:

An odd question about California’s weird rape-victim-pays-child-support law — how could a woman whose been convicted of molesting a child possibly keep custody of her children?

Today, 6:01:11 AM– Flag – Like – Reply – Delete – Edit – Moderate Tristram Vahan Draper
You know, I had not thought of that.
Today, 10:35:52 AM– Flag – Like – Reply – Delete – Edit – Moderate Urabutln
Huh, way to think outside her box.
Today, 10:41:36 AM– Flag – Like – Reply – Delete – Edit – Moderate Urabutln
Huh, way to think outside her box.

http://www.slate.com/id/2285779/#add-comment

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1
POIUYT February 22, 2011 at 13:56

At least the software allows up votes for William Gruff.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 3
Watcher February 22, 2011 at 13:58

“Many females are possibly, just possibly, actually gifted at birth to be born on a bit higher spiritual and emotional plane than the average boy”

WTF??? Sentiments like that just piss me off.

@CSPB
“I don’t see the point in chasing off all the women.”

Umm, perhaps because they talk crap?

Because they NEVER take personal responsibility for anything they say or do?

Because we already know what they are going to say long before they do?

Because I’m sick of having the ‘women’s point of view’ rammed down my throat re. TV, magazines, social initiatives, movies etc.?

Lastly, to clarify MY position to all the women who post here, “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn!”
Rhett Butler (MGHOW pioneer 1939)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 36 Thumb down 3
paigeu February 22, 2011 at 14:04

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 13 Thumb down 68
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 14:07

Gunn wrote: ‘If you equate strong language, and direct speech, with a hostile environment, then I have to tell you that you’ve lived far too sheltered a life.’

Indeed. To equate vigorous manly expression with aggression is typical of feminism, whether passive or active.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 39 Thumb down 3
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 14:10

POIUYT wrote: ‘At least the software allows up votes for William Gruff.’

Is that good or bad?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 1
Ronin February 22, 2011 at 14:10

@ Mr. Gruff
“I’m a grumpy old bastard; demanding, highly critical and sometimes insulting, obsessive and very difficult to live with yet The Mrs Gruff tells me how much she loves me, how handsome I am, how funny I am when I make her laugh etc. etc., every day. On the rare occasion that I accompany The Mrs Gruff shopping I leave carrying the basket or pushing the trolley to her. She has never complained in almost nineteen years.”

You sir is what they call a “natural” in the game community.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 19 Thumb down 3
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 14:27

@ POIUYT

“There has to be an improved method of supporting and approving of posters and comentators.”

It already exists.

And you just used it.

(blink)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 1
Cranky February 22, 2011 at 14:29

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 65
TomJW February 22, 2011 at 14:32

paigeu February 22, 2011 at 14:04

When we are here we don’t ‘have to’ a damned thing as far as women are concerned.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 52 Thumb down 2
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 14:32

“paigeu February 22, 2011 at 14:04
Eventually you just have to decide if you want the website to be a support group or if you want it to evangelize the MRM cause. If you want to evangelize you have to be willing to tolerate some diversity.”

Diversity?
We welcome that.

As long as it is relevant.
Or if your arguments are logical.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 2
Gunn February 22, 2011 at 14:36

Paigeu

Eventually you just have to decide if you want the website to be a support group or if you want it to evangelize the MRM cause. If you want to evangelize you have to be willing to tolerate some diversity.

Evangelists don’t go around moderating their messages hoping to convince people with watered down versions. They preach fire and brimstone and hell, they bring people into the fold by making them feel awed by the truth.

Your approach might work if you’re a human resources manager looking to preach diversity to the employees coerced into your meeting by the fear of losing their jobs. And even then, it only works because they want to be out of your presence as soon as they can be.

Charisma comes from belief in what you’re saying, a belief inseparable from the core of who you are. By asking for the message to be watered down, you seek to emasculate it.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 48 Thumb down 0
zed February 22, 2011 at 14:46

Eventually you just have to decide if you want the website to be a support group or if you want it to evangelize the MRM cause. If you want to evangelize you have to be willing to tolerate some diversity.

The only person who can decide that is Mr. Price, the owner of the site. When you are a guest in someone else’s place, you can make suggestions as to how it should be decorated, but the final decision is up to them.

The fundamental dilemma is this: which will be more effective at avoiding tragedy in one’s own life in the future – changing the laws so that people can do what they want and not be harmed by the laws, or spreading an awareness of the legal climate so that people can avoid putting themselves afoul of it?

Take the situation discussed by SingleDad above – http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/02/22/the-high-road/#comment-74011. A woman called the cops on her son, and now he is dead. Reform of the legal system in such a way that could not happen again is a lengthy process which will not likely be accomplished in my lifetime, so I would choose to educate people “Don’t call the damn cops.”

Now, since I know enough about the legal joke we call a “justice system” to already know to not call the cops, I have nothing to gain or lose either way. And, the impression I get of the mother is that it would pretty much be a waste of time to try to get her to change her ways.

So, evangelizing for the MRM seems pretty pointless – I have nothing to gain, or lose, and the people who might lose something by not being aware are the ones most likely to resist our attempts to make them aware.

I think most of the men here are now beyond the reach of being harmed again by the system. It has done all it can to us and we have survived – despite its best efforts to destroy us. If people don’t want to listen to our warnings about it because our language offends their delicate ears, it will be them that pay the price for not listening, not us.

Tell us, paigeu, what improvements in the current situation do you believe that “diversity” would bring about?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 56 Thumb down 2
Denis February 22, 2011 at 14:46

That’s nice advice and it’s been tried before. I prefer the good-cop bad-cop routine. Put them under stress and then offer them a friendly compromise.

The only problem is with enforcement of the high road, which has marginalized many effective activists in the past and further divided the MRM.
Normal average men talk shit and aren’t bothered by it.

You can’t argue with ideology, be it feminist or religion, they are true believers.

Nice guys finish last.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 35 Thumb down 1
CSPB February 22, 2011 at 15:09

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 11 Thumb down 43
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 15:18

Ronin wrote: ‘You sir is what they call a “natural” in the game community.’

Is that good or bad?

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 3
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 22, 2011 at 15:27

POIUYT February 22, 2011 at 13:51
“Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) deserves multiple up-votes”

POIUYT. Thank you. Coming from you that is a great compliment. I have considered your comments some of the best here. You and Zed make the best comments in my humble opinion. But there are now MANY great commenters here. This has turned into a fabulous resource for young men.

Now…if we could only rid ourselves of the wimminz….

SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 13:53

@SD. Hysterical…bitches be stupid..LOL!!

Robert February 22, 2011 at 11:14

You seem to have missed the quote

MOTHER CONFRONTS JUDGE OVER CASH FOR JAILING KIDS BRIBES (VIDEO)
http://www.youtube.com/embed/H8JRMGP2hg8

“He’s a scumbag. He ruined my (expletive deleted) life. There’s no justice unless he dies. I thought the U.S. Marshals were going to take him out in handcuffs.”

Notice the mother consideres the judge ruined HER life and not her SONS life. She only saw her son as a way to pay for her fat arse. I know it’s disgusting…but that’s how it is.

And, it has been noted by others…this stupid woman called the cops HERSELF and therefore the death of her son is most directly HER responsibility. If the stupid woman had bothered to have the boys father around he would have handled the situation.

When I was 17 my dad went around to all the bars and told the barmen not to serve me. There was only ONE place I could get serves. Duely. One time I was there and very drunk. I ordered another beer and heard my dads voice behind me “The lads had enough”. My Dad took me home and patiently explained to me that I could cause a great deal of problems for the license holder and that I was being irresponsible of his business to drink in his bar underage. I ‘got it’. My Dad was happy for me to drink under supervision…but NOT if I put any mans livelyhood at risk.

What did this stupid woman do? Called the cops. Why? Shes stupid. And she had no MAN to tell her what to do. Result? Dead kid. Her comment “MY life is ruined”

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 56 Thumb down 4
zed February 22, 2011 at 15:43

If women are the problem, then women would help for a few to understand how they have messed up the world and screwed up their own happiness. Running women off is not the solution. Can I say that without it being twisted into a defense of women?

@CSPB,

For some who comment here, yes. For others, no.

The fundamental dilemma of allowing free speech and relatively open commenting is that anyone can drive by and say pretty much anything they want to. What they say may not reflect the attitude of the site owner, but instead reflect his commitment to free speech.

I’m somewhere in the middle. If we could keep the Joannas, Hestias, Laura Grace Robbinses, and a few others, and get rid of the Kathys, Bitchys, and a few others, that would be fine. I find it odd and frustrating at times that those most adamant about civility and “high ground” tactics are not much inclined to hang around and do some of the garbage collection work of running off the worst of the obvious trolls. Those of us who do, sometimes get into a really bad mood over having to do it, and if someone else shows up right after we have had to deal with a particularly obnoxious troll, that bad mood is likely to spill over.

You say that you have experienced a lot more destruction than many men have. Well, with the experiences of some of the men here that has to be a whole lot of destruction. Have you ever been in a car wreck and gotten really badly busted up, and when you were in the ER had people come in and critique your cries of pain?

How do we manage to get across to women just how bad some things are while maintaining “polite” language? In psychological circles there is a phenomenon called “congruence”. If someone says in a flat tone of voice with no expression on their face “I am angry”, the affect is not congruent with the message. If, on the other hand, he is red-faced and foaming at the mouth and says “I HATE YOUR FUCKING GUTS!!!!!!!!!!!“, the message and the way it is being expressed are congruent.

The death toll in Egypt is up to over 1,000 now. Do we have to wait until things are ready to erupt at that level to start making it clear to people that some men are getting REALLY pissed off about all this, and and that some of them really are starting to hate women’s guts? Is the entire world so feminist-ized that we really can’t warn some blond bimbo of a news anchor that going into an angry rioting crowd is dangerous and have to let her do it, and get seriously hurt, just so we can use that to bash all men and paint all women as victims?

I really do not know the answer to these questions. However, I do know exactly what piercedhead is saying when he says

It’s more than just viciousness, it’s all-out, heart-felt hatred –

Would it be over the top to say that if I were walking down the street and happened to walk by Kay Hymowitz on fire, that I would not spit on her to put her out?

How do we do the service of warning women how dangerous the attitude of some men toward them is becoming without running afoul of the politeness police?

I would like to do that. I am quite sad about the level of distaste I have toward women, and would like to have as few more men as possible reach that same level.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 57 Thumb down 0
cracker February 22, 2011 at 15:47

William Gruff -

I don’t recall seeing comments from you before, so I just have to say Welcome. I really enjoy your observations.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0
classic Joe February 22, 2011 at 15:52

This is a really interesting website. It seems like something that has been lost for a long time is getting rediscovered here. It’s crude and ugly.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 26 Thumb down 0
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 15:57

@CSPB
“I just happen to think that the recent vitriol is extreme.”

I will start worrying when all mouths shut down and all men stop venting.

A jammed safety valve is no assurance that things are fine.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 32 Thumb down 2
Herbal Essence February 22, 2011 at 16:01

zed-”How do we do the service of warning women how dangerous the attitude of some men toward them is becoming without running afoul of the politeness police?”

Women do not care about the welfare of men. Their biological programming says “man serves me and my babies.” That’s why, as you say, the women of your generation bought into feminism in a few short years. And women raised in patriarchal societies gradually sell out to feminism the minute they move to a western country. Feminism builds on a dark aspect of the female psyche.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 45 Thumb down 1
CSPB February 22, 2011 at 16:27

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 34
Alcuin February 22, 2011 at 16:29

If we get too many articles like this, we’ll have to shut the whole thing down. Feminists, which is most Western women, and not only “radical” feminists, see us, men, as the enemy. They are so uncompromising in this that they even reject other women who don’t see men as the enemy.

How can you pity someone who hates you? The parallel between Nazis and feminists must be made again and again. Replace “Jews” with “men” and you’ve got it. Why are so many men in jail now? Why is so much of what men/masculinity do considered criminal? Being Jewish was criminalized in the 1930s in Germany, just like being male/masculine is being criminalized now.

Feminists are the enemy. Pity is the clarion call of the loser.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 36 Thumb down 1
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 16:38

Cracker wrote: ‘I don’t recall seeing comments from you before, so I just have to say Welcome. I really enjoy your observations.

I am new here but I’ve been ploughing my anti feminist furrow for decades and I’ve drawn disapproving looks for even longer than that. I have many odd ideas, one of which is that there is no skin colour except skin colour. Some skins are light and some dark but all are the same colour. Similarly, I know that some ‘homosexuals’ ( a word I dislike because it is far too Linnaean and wholly unnecessary) are not nearly as effeminate as our mothers taught us, and sometimes more manly than our fathers. Masculinity subsists in many more complicated forms than women appear able to understand. It is not thereby rendered less valid.

I’m delighted to be here and I thank you for your kind comments.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 27 Thumb down 1
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 16:38

Pity for da little wimmenz and complacancy, so as to satisfy the white knights so well represented here today, is how we got here.

Never apologize for opposing oppression.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 27 Thumb down 0
Paradoxotaur February 22, 2011 at 16:39

W. Gruff- both good.

@zed: “Things are not going to get better on their own. If you don’t want to see the percentage of men who regard women like the ones here do increase dramatically over the next several years, you need to think about getting actively involved in building a better future”

While I think the percentage of men who regard women in less-favorable light is going to grow significantly and rapidly, I think the number of men freely and openly expressing their disfavor is going to grow exponentially, if not explosively. I think a lot of older women will soon receive the economic and social shocks of their lives- when they get pink-slipped from their gubmint jobs into a society that has no use for them and men their age that are profoundly indifferent to their plight. I don’t see any way of avoiding this.

I’m guessing Cranky hasn’t been laid in a while. Any volunteers? Anyone, . . . Buhler, . . . anyone? Didn’t think so. Hard to believe she’s still single, isn’t it.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 20 Thumb down 1
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 16:52

Paradoxotaur wrote: ‘ … While I think the percentage of men who regard women in less-favorable light is going to grow … ‘

Indeed. The plight of those middle-aged and elderly women who have done so much better out 0f the welfare state than most men of the same generations after the welfare state has collapsed is no concern of ours.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 28 Thumb down 0
zed February 22, 2011 at 16:54

I pretty much agree with what you said. I am not advocating “polite language,” but merely thought that some recent comments were unwarranted personal attacks. I have a thick skin so I don’t worry about it much, but others do and so I think it would be better to turn it down a notch or two so others are not driven away.

@CSPB,

I do not have any control over what others say, only what I say. I have a lot of respect for Peter Nolan because he is at least fighting back with all he has got instead of just rolling over and taking it in the shorts like so many men do. Perhaps if more men followed his lead there would be fewer stories to be told here.

I would love to gather “popular support” for our message, but experience has shown me that no one gets involved until it affects them personally. Thus, all the rhetoric in the world is wasted except when it comes to helping guys who have just been blindsided figure out what hit them and what to do about it. The guys I know who have fared best in the court system are the ones who went into it with both anger and determination.

I don’t worry much about driving people away because I will lay a $100 bill on the table that none of these people will ever do anything concrete or effective to help the cause whether or not they are driven away. That has probably been the biggest myth of the MRM so far – this fear of losing so-called “supporters” who don’t actually ever do anything, or anything effective. If my house is on fire, I want firemen to show up with hoses, not people to stand on the sidewalk and wipe the sweat off their brows and throw it at the burning house and “wish” that the fire would go out.

10 men who will actually do something are worth more than even 10,000,000 who never will do anything. “Support” is only ever worth a damn when it translates into action which has a meaningful and tangible result.

I liked Joanna, and hated to see her run off, but if I were set upon by a gang of thugs and had to choose between her and Peter Nolan to help me fight them off, the choice should be obvious.

I think we really need to stop worrying about people who will never do anything for us think of us, and tolerate a lot of abrasiveness from people we feel like we can count on to watch our backs.

I wish it was different, but my perception is that the “high road” is how we got here today. If it is all that great, why does this site even exist?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 44 Thumb down 1
zed February 22, 2011 at 16:56

@William Gruff,

Your middle name wouldn’t happen to be Goat, would it? ;)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0
Watcher February 22, 2011 at 16:57

@CSPB
“…I happen to think that an intelligent rational statement is much more effective than angry venting.”

I beg to differ. Of course you may wish to take the matter up with Mubarak, I’m sure he would have an opinion on the subject.

As far as I can see, if change is what we want, then (figuratively speaking) we are going to have to fight for it. So, some women are sympathetic to our cause? Great! Fantastic!

But so what? Where are a handful of female supporters going to get us? Or do you think there will be mass, midnight, female-only ‘fun-runs’ raising money for poor men ‘fleeced by their ex wives’?

Perhaps we could gather a million women’s signatures demanding a rebalancing of the educational system in favour of boys? Or a cap on alimony? Or stiffer sentences for female convicts?

No?

No, it’s never going to happen, like everything else in human history it’s going to be MEN who are going to change things, not women.

For the record let me make it quite clear; I personally DON’T hate women – I just think that they lack a certain quality required to undertake a task such as tackling rampant feminism.

I think they call that quality ‘sanity’.

——————————-

“[women] are born on a bit higher spiritual and emotional plane than the average boy” – the sheer stupidity of such a statement!!!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 38 Thumb down 1
Diabolos February 22, 2011 at 16:58

Heh, in game, they call what was just described in the article as ‘reframing’. This is classic text book case of it, and actually works on men as well. Rather than acting within the rules of the box she’s been painted in, you paint your own to trap her. Few actually take the time to actually learn how this works, and fewer still are as on guard concerning it as they need to be. This gets that hamster wheel of a woman’s spinning like you wouldn’t believe; it’s actually how they were infected by this hateful ideology in the first place.

Yes, Feminism, or should I say MARXISM, uses their own brand of virulent game to indoctrinate and control the thought processes of women (and yes, men, but mostly women). Get’s their hamster wheels spinning into hate, hate, hate of the very source of what has given them the utopia, or what should have been the utopia, of the world they live them. PUA’s use similar psychology to get laid. The methods are identical, and worth noting.

This is probably the first time I’ve ever seen of an example of someone use game to SAVE a girl. I must meditate on this lesson further; it’s not something I’ve considered before. It is a great potential value both individually and collectively.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 3
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 16:59

zed wrote: ‘Your middle name wouldn’t happen to be Goat, would it?

Only if prefaced by ‘old’.

PS: The devil is in the detail.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0
Herbal Essence February 22, 2011 at 17:00

Paradoxotaur-”While I think the percentage of men who regard women in less-favorable light is going to grow significantly and rapidly, I think the number of men freely and openly expressing their disfavor is going to grow exponentially, if not explosively.”

I agree. There is that old phrase “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win.” I think the next couple of years will be transition from “laugh” mode to “fight” mode when it comes to the status quo vs. outspoken men.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0
Jean Valjean February 22, 2011 at 17:03

A very diplomatic and well spoken argument.

However, it falls on deaf ears here.

If a woman declares herself to be pursuing a course of knowledge which scapegoats males as the wellspring of all female unhappiness, which encourages women to take a course of action which devalues men and competes against us in the only way the majority of us can attain value I’m not going to give two shits about her happiness.

I’m going to tell her to get the fuck out of my house or if it’s her house I’m going to pack my shit and get out.

There is no reconciliation with people like this because by the time they’re majoring in the hatred of men they’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole of misandry that it’s simply not worth it to try to draw her out.

And having declared her hatred for my gender I wouldn’t fuck her with Andrea Dworkin’s dick!

Therefore, having nothing to offer me I can give fuck all if she gets a PhD in women’s studies. Let it bring her all the unhappiness in the world. Let it poison every relationship she ever enters into. Maybe if we’re lucky enough men will reject her that she never gets to reproduce and then the world will be better off.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 35 Thumb down 0
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 17:09

Appropos of nothing at all: My response to misandrist comments from women is always ‘yes, we are all bastards’, with a huge Cheshire cat grin.

By the way, have any of you noticed how badly women take rejection?

I’ve been refused a dance, often in the most insulting fashion, many times and always taken the refusal with good grace yet on the two occasions I’ve refused an invitation from a woman I’ve been met with an almost hysterical reaction, for weeks and months afterwards.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 32 Thumb down 0
SMC February 22, 2011 at 17:17

(I resent having to be contrite here and address this. Also I resent that welmar isn’t letting my post about this through too.)

Paige asked a questioned ["why the automatic down vote, always?"]. I answered it. The answer was not “vicious”, it was not “extreme”, it was not “toxic” (unless one believes an environment of “hurt” men is inherently toxic –and that is telling); it was not vitriolic.

The answer might have been wrong or right.

(It did have some sexual innuendo in it, in what I considered to be a chin tickling-with-a-smirk way. It’s the way I treat girlies: I let them know that I know all about who they are inside.)

I wasn’t even responding to joahnna. Hell I didn’t know johanne even existed until she called it toxic and vicious.

I read her stuff now above and at other threads and I see she is ambitious or clever and wanted to make a good impression. And maybe? my comment thwarted that in her head or something. I don’t know.

I think it is telling that after I said men are “hurt” here (to paige, who asked a question!) joanne calls it toxic and then says she’s “leaving ‘for our sake’.” I call bullshit: she doesn’t know how to deal with the notion that men are “hurt” and she wanted out, like dudes leave a wimmins’ “weight watchers” BBS alone.

I think the onus is on you Joana, and now Paige, for understanding where you are. A couple of dudes down vote chicks automatically. Big deal.

They are hurt. You are not the victim of ‘toxic down voting.’ They –we– are victims of a profound problem that barely can speak its name.

The fact that this even has to be said to you –that you think it is toxic or an attack (grrr) helps to demonstrate how bad a situation this whole culture is for men.

This site isn’t even mean/biting in that “men’s academy” way. That dude there has a sharp –angry /hurt– wit* (maybe a tad cruel?). Your head would fall clean off there. [*I almost blew milk out of my nose when he said to some chick there "you're hot!" as Chewbacca. LOL ...now that's not nice.]

Now I like paige et al and I probably would have liked joanne (I like crella who even yelled at me once, that bitch!). (Or at least I don’t down vote them or any of that democracy BULLSHIT.) Like I said, I resent having to be contrite here and say any of this. (…Playing into this new chick’s hysterics …”vicious” etc). If this site allows laura and skandi to hang then certainly clever allies can.

But I say again men are hurt here –possibly needy. The onus is on you to feel something other than repulsion for this pain’s “toxicity.”

You want to launch your sorties out there and come back here and report them, some of us will be interested to go see. If you have something here to say, same deal. (I usually read the girlies actually, hidden or not. …Instinct.)

(I resent this contrition display for a girl who is playing “innocence abused”! …Your twat better be made of gold!…)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 20 Thumb down 1
Paradoxotaur February 22, 2011 at 17:19

@Herbal E.: ” I think the next couple of years will be transition from “laugh” mode to “fight” mode”

I think we’ve already seen the transistion, as evidenced by the MRM memes showing up in more and more comments on mainstream media. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the “fight” phase lasted about as long as a cheap lawn chair under Orca Winfrey. Our efforts will be assisted by what now seem to be near-certain social/economic forces. Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show (just try to stay out of the blast radius).

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 16 Thumb down 1
Jean Valjean February 22, 2011 at 17:23

The correct response:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
Bob: If you hate men then why are you dating me?
Alice: What?! I don’t hate men. Feminism is about equality and female empowerment.
Bob: No. Feminism is about scapegoating men as the wellspring of all female unhappiness. It is about setting women against men and devaluing the role of the male in the home and the workplace.
Alice: Well not all feminists are like that and . . .
Bob: I don’t give a fuck. You name yourself a Nazi and I’m not going to care about your charity work in the ghetto. If you name yourself a feminist I’m going to lump you in with all the shitty and hateful things feminists have done and said to men in my lifetime.
Alice: You just can’t handle a strong woman!
Bob: I’m sure that sentiment will make you feel good when you are whispering it to your cats.

–Bob get’s his coat and walks out–

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 37 Thumb down 1
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 17:27

LMFAO!

Paradoxotaur wrote: ‘Orca Winfrey’ .

ROTFFLMFARO!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1
paigeu February 22, 2011 at 17:30

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 61
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 17:40

Jean Valjean wrote: The correct response:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
Bob: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist … ‘

No, no, no, no, no!

The correct response is:

Bob: (not impressed) You’re a feminist?

Alice: (defensively) Yes, of course.

Bob: (dials 911 / 999 – depends on country) Hello, Isolated Rural Asylum? I’m with a psychotic misandrist in the grip of a homicidal delusion … no there are no knives in the room … no I have no ether handy … yes I can give her chocolates and flowers … fifteen minutes … yes … OK (puts phone down) … (to Alice) now where were we … oh yes … has anyone ever made you Tiramisu, it only takes sixteen minutes.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 2
NWOslave February 22, 2011 at 17:43

@Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 22, 2011 at 10:36

As always Peter, you’re about ten steps ahead of the rest of us. Thx for the info.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 18 Thumb down 3
crella February 22, 2011 at 17:44

They have grown up with this brainwashing all their lives. Only the lucky few are able to see beyond the pervasive influence feminism has on all aspects of society.

I was born in 1958. I was in elementary school and junior high when feminism was starting. I still questioned my father about what I was seeing and hearing. It didn’t seem right to a 7-10 year old!

Women claiming to you or anyone that they were ‘brainwashed’ are taking the easy way out, and completely contradict the average woman’s claims that women have ‘intuition’ and a higher EQ than men. Women can’t have it both ways…..either they’re so morally bankrupt that you can’t see when something is obviously wrong, or they KNOW something’s wrong, but it’s so beneficial to them that they go along with it. I’m guessing the second option.

Women go along with feminism because it’s a good way to get a lot for no effort whatsoever. Command respect with no laudable character traits, fully embrace slut and raunch culture ‘because it’s your right’ , command the police and courts to do your bidding without lifting a finger, get a leg up into universities and numerous professions just for being a woman. It’s a helluva benefit package, and for too many women it’s “worth” being a soulless shrieking harpy that hates half the human race.

In my opinion, ‘luck’ has nothing to do with it. Even a barely functioning bullsh*t detector should pick up feminist ideals for what they are. Women choose not to see.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 45 Thumb down 1
Herbal Essence February 22, 2011 at 17:51

Re: crella-

I really appreciated your comment, but you forgot to add that the news & entertainment media’s embrace of Feminism made it trendy. That sold it to women as much as anything else, IMO.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0
TomJW February 22, 2011 at 17:55

paigeu February 22, 2011 at 17:30
“… leave you boys…”

Wow, scratch a sympathetic women and find a condesending pain in the ass.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 62 Thumb down 4
scatmaster February 22, 2011 at 17:56

zed said:

Have you ever been in a car wreck and gotten really badly busted up, and when you were in the ER had people come in and critique your cries of pain?

How about been in emergency and having a heart attack which causes you to not think about the pain but that you may never see your son again. When you start to cry your wife leans down and whispers in your ear to stop it as “you are making a fool of yourself and your father does not need to see it”. My father was in the emergency room at the time. A lot more to the story to bring it into context but suffice to say I think people at here can understand a little bit of my resentment. This is one of many incidents, so, to any who tell me to take the higher ground. FUCK YOU!!!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 27 Thumb down 2
TomJW February 22, 2011 at 18:04

zed February 22, 2011 at 15:43
“Would it be over the top to say that if I were walking down the street and happened to walk by Kay Hymowitz on fire, that I would not spit on her to put her out?”

But would you pee on her? That’s the tough question.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 18:14

zed wrote: ‘How about been in emergency and having a heart attack which causes you to not think about the pain but that you may never see your son again.’

I’m LMFAO but please do not think I’m mocking your experience. My laughter is purely ironic. I haven’t had a heart attack, yet, but I have been in very, very difficult circumstances, on more than one occasion, in which those (females) who’ve told me they love me have left me to fend for myself, when it was obvious that I needed some assistance.

I learned long ago that a married man is on his own when ‘the shit hits the fan’.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 23 Thumb down 0
zed February 22, 2011 at 18:19

I think it is telling that after I said men are “hurt” here (to paige, who asked a question!) joanne calls it toxic and then says she’s “leaving ‘for our sake’.”

I didn’t follow the conversation post by post, but I don’t think she was referring to you, SMC. I thought it was Peter Nolan explicitly telling her to go away that she was reacting to.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0
scatmaster February 22, 2011 at 18:22

William it was not zed who wrote that it was me and as I stated that was one of many incidents in my life perpetrated by women. I do not have much respect for that gender.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 11 Thumb down 2
paigeu February 22, 2011 at 18:25

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 55
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 18:25

scatmaster: My apologies for any offence I may have given.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0
culdesachero February 22, 2011 at 18:26

@Cranky
“I’m not really in the mood for your mansplaining today.”
Paraphrase: I’m happy in my deluded bubble where I can complain all the time and blame all of my problems on men like you and I’d rather not have it popped by allowing my beliefs to be actually challenged by someone with a different point of view.

Bob: “That’s fine with me. I’d rather play five-knuckle shuffle than take my chances with a crazy bitch like you.”
Paraphrase: With an attitude like that, you probably won’t realize your mistake until your ovaries start to dry up and you’ll be cruising the dating sites for divorced men so you can feel like a mom every other weekend.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 1
scatmaster February 22, 2011 at 18:28

None taken William. You are a welcome addition here and I look forward to hearing more of your musings.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0
zed February 22, 2011 at 18:28

I’m LMFAO but please do not think I’m mocking your experience.

That wasn’t my actual experience, Mr. Billy Goat Gruff, I was using that as an analogy for what always happens on these boards. I wrote a post not long ago how men are demanded to act like robots and how no women and few men even acknowledge their humanity. We must follow the programming they are trying to shove down our throats at all times. Men’s pain is absolutely taboo to even speak of.

Peter Nolan has had everything he worked for for more than 20 years of his life stolen from him, been betrayed in the foulest possible manner and lied about by the woman who vowed to “cherish” him until “death do us part”, lost his children, and everyone just sort of skips over those inconvenient facts to tell him that he shouldn’t be so forceful when he talks about it, and should “tone it down.”

Men have no place to go to express their pain, anger, and anguish among other men who understand. Everyone wants to 2nd guess how he “should” be saying it, so that they don’t have to listen to or acknowledge what he is saying. It is just one subtle way that is used to suppress and silence men.

I likened it to someone who is seriously injured and in pain having that pain ignored and instead having everyone critique how he expresses it.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 36 Thumb down 1
zed February 22, 2011 at 18:33

Even a barely functioning bullsh*t detector should pick up feminist ideals for what they are. Women choose not to see.

crella, if you weren’t a married woman, I would kiss you. Damn, I wish I had met a woman like you 40 years ago, before feminist women totally poisoned my opinion of your sex. :)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 23 Thumb down 0
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 18:37

zed: Yes indeed. My laughter was ironic. I know well enough that men’s anger and discomfort is a source of embarrassment and ridicule for those who cannot cope with it.

I often write LMFAO and I’ve never used it to mock the person I’ve responded to, always some ironically absurd or unacceptable aspect of a serious point my correspondent has made that strikes a chord with me. I use it more to indicate general anger or derision than genuine hilarity.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0
Ulysses February 22, 2011 at 18:40

zed, Peter Norton was a great guy, but you’ve got the wrong guy. :)

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2
zed February 22, 2011 at 18:46

zed, Peter Norton was a great guy, but you’ve got the wrong guy.

Thanks, OOPS! I meant Peter Nolan.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1
RMM February 22, 2011 at 18:48

Option R:

Alice: So, this is my new couch. Nice, huh?
RMM: Yeah, hey, what’s this book you’ve carelessly thrown on the couch?
Alice: It’s a collection of lesbian love poems, I’m a Women’s Studies major and a feminist!
RMM: Really? Where did you study?
Alice: Boston.
RMM: Oh right. I thought it an interesting place last time I visited, but it feels a bit like a fake movie set…
Alice: What do you mean?
RMM: Well, I’ve lived in England, so compared to old English towns Boston has a bit of a “fake” feeling to it…

Blah, blah, blah.

Within 10 minutes you’ll have killed all gina tingles and undone whatever you did to get yourself invited to her place. At that point you can _safely_ leave, with the sure knowledge that she will not call you back (or want you to call her back, for the matter) as you’ll have moved into “beta girlfriend” territory in her view, and look for a safer alternative to get your rocks off. Deep down she’ll be grateful you didn’t subject her to your caveman patriarchal self, so it’s good for everyone involved!

Always spend a bit of time to ensure your own safety.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1
stonelifter February 22, 2011 at 18:53

here’s my answer, oh your a feminist? latter little girl call me when you grow up

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 3
William Gruff February 22, 2011 at 18:53

RMM: LMFAO. You could bore her with your description of the Boston Stump. That would see you shown out in less than ten minutes.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0
cracker February 22, 2011 at 19:13

Based on the up-vote/down-vote system it would seem that there are more people who want the women away than there are those who want them to stay. With that acknowledged I will leave you boys to your fun.

Maybe, instead of running your mouth in every discussion, you could just shut up and listen. There’s a lot to be learned from this men, and you have to learn to not take anything personally. This is their place, not our’s. It’s not all about you, sweetie pie.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 45 Thumb down 1
The Caliph February 22, 2011 at 19:35

@

Rebel February 22, 2011 at 15:57
@CSPB
“I just happen to think that the recent vitriol is extreme.”

I will start worrying when all mouths shut down and all men stop venting.

A jammed safety valve is no assurance that things are fine.

Everyone take very careful note of this very succint observation. For example if Globaman (P.O.N) stops venting, i will be worried indeed.

Men are action creatures, silence on a vexing issue that has been compained about for so long means we’re keying up to fever pitch before taking some major action.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 10
Donn February 22, 2011 at 19:47

@SingleDad:

Yeah I agree but slightly disagree, young men will come here and learn after that “ah ha” moment, if they survive it in the first place.

@OT:
“If you, too, can stop thinking of a poor, misguided girl as “the enemy”, you will be amazed at the effect it will have on your results.”

Those “poor, misguided girls” have more than enough blood on their hands to stop me from having any kind of sympathy for them, you obviously were smart enough not to deal with chicks with neurosis(i.e. Feminists/Feminist Influenced) who tried mobilizing their white knights to have you killed.(no, I’m not making that up.) From one girl saying she’d have her cronies tie me to a truck and drag me across the countryside, to another one who had someone say they’d have me “taken care of”, poor misguided girls are the last thing I’d think of when referring to them.

Now I think the best tool that could come for men to break their chains from women is some kind of pill that completely surprises the sex drive, though short of chemical castration I can’t think of anything that could do that, and cc comes with its own adverse effects. But I’d gladly sell my soul and everything else for that kind of pill that’d emancipate us while allowing us to preserve our full strength.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2
zed February 22, 2011 at 20:14

It’s not all about you, sweetie pie.

Thanks, cracker. Women who get that will always be welcome here. Women who can’t differentiate between participation by learning and forever running their yaps, not so much.

And, women who absolutely must trumpet their departure with dramatic exit speeches are not missed.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 37 Thumb down 0
Nico February 22, 2011 at 20:19

OT: Belgian and argentinian manginas launched a campaign to shame men who pay for sex. The videos can be seen on Youtube here and here. In french and spanish. Basically, they accuse clients to “buy”, to “rape” and to “oppress” women.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0
The Caliph February 22, 2011 at 20:26

@ Donn February 22, 2011 at 19:47

Now I think the best tool that could come for men to break their chains from women is some kind of pill that completely surprises the sex drive.

I mentioned something like this a while back, a libido suppressant of some sort. Truth is though female behaviour by the time you blitz through copious amount of them (while somehow evading a false rape claim) can work just as well. Thats how at 23 i adopted an MGTOW approach to life. Till i met my mrs.

The toxicity of a lot of chicks after you’ve been sufficiently exposed to them can indeed act like a natural libido supressant. I mean Warcraft made more sense than going out clubbing and getting laid. The challenge wasn’t even there anymmore.

Around that age (early to mid 20s) is when a young man goes through quarter life crises psychologists may not ecognise this pehnominon but i believe it is a fact.

That’s when you face the dilemma of intimacy vs isolation. Thats when you are asking yourself very seriously – what do i want to do with my life, what journey do i want to embark on and whose coming with me (intimacy) or do i wanna go it alone (isolation) most monks as an example chose this option.

Thats when you start to realise women can be more than just pumps and dumps (thats all yu seeked them for hormonally as a teen and young adult)except you realise the women available ARE mostly viable ONLY for pump and dump. You’re looking for a life partner and it aint any of the easy bitches you got laid with in the past, NO WAY, you wouldn’t want any of those to be the mother of your kids.

Bah i’m digressing you all get the jist.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 8
Nico February 22, 2011 at 20:28

The belgian manginas call themselves “the FREE SEX men”.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0
Rebel February 22, 2011 at 20:52

@The Caliph,

You are perceptive. You can feel the calm before the storm.

When the enemy has become noiseless, he is at your door.
..while you’re sleeping.

Men’s silence will be the signal.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0
SingleDad February 22, 2011 at 21:06

@ Donn

That’s one of the secrets that let’s us know that the MRM will, inevitably succeed.

Mostly, men survive the feminist guantlet that is modern divorce.

The reason they survive is the same reason that divorce creates parasites and hosts and all parasitic infections try not to kill their hosts.

So we have an endless stream of proto-MRA’s being created in family courts.

Then you have to figure in all the son’s of these single moms the divorces create…have you ever talked to them? …more proto-MRA’s.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0
crella February 22, 2011 at 21:13

Thank you, Zed . :-D I really do wish American women hadn’t become such banshees….Christ, but they’re obnoxious!

Herbal, yes, I forgot to mention the media. That’s a huge part of it too. I think to myself sometimes ‘when did it start’….I think a lot of people got mad at things like Sex and the City, but there may have been earlier skank TV I just don’t recall a lot of it from way back. I was surprised when swearing began to be allowed, it used to be a real no-no on TV :-D

I like crella who even yelled at me once, that bitch!

SMC, I’m sorry!One of my rules (for the internet especially because it’s easy to get carried away) is not to lose my temper, but I do blow it once in a while.

I haven’t had a heart attack, yet, but I have been in very, very difficult circumstances, on more than one occasion, in which those (females) who’ve told me they love me have left me to fend for myself, when it was obvious that I needed some assistance.

Things like this make me so angry I could spit! Mr. Gruff’s post, and then of course Peter’s posts about his wife not helping him when he had herniated discs, are just unbelievable. Just really makes me angry! Comes from the same crowd that melts into a puddle one a month and can’t get anything done while they’re PMS’ing, and expect everybody to tip-toe around them…

Ken, ‘wombgoblin’ sent me into hysterics, LMAO!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 4
Alcuin February 22, 2011 at 21:31

Jean Valjean: “There is no reconciliation with people like this because by the time they’re majoring in the hatred of men they’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole of misandry that it’s simply not worth it to try to draw her out.”

Exactly. Keep your dignity and your balls and get out. An emasculated society has no honor. We can’t keep our honor and try to pity feminists/Western women at the same time. Pity for the poor dears: That’s what got us into this mess to begin with. Pity would suit the littl; darlins just super.

I think the author has battered man syndrome. Sir, you have other options, whole other continents in the world to explore, where the femininity will spin your head. Once you’ve eaten dinner with a real woman, those cows back home won’t even be on your radar screen. I’ve been in countries with feminine women for so long now – my policy is to live ONLY in such countries – that I have zero sexual reaction to Western cows. Quite the opposite in fact. There’s a reason for so many sexless marriages in Western countries: Lack of femininity (and masculinity).

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 20 Thumb down 0
evilwhitemalempire February 22, 2011 at 21:58

aharon

Your statements reeks of being paranoid and insecure. Mine and along with the second comment for clarification simply reflects upon the possibility that females may have a slightly easier time growing further into a higher state of spiritual and emotional strength at birth.

I guess it depends on whether or not you believe in spirits.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0
goldenfetus February 23, 2011 at 00:36

I, for one, appreciate what I believe Delusion Damage is saying. As a divorced man and the child of a single-mother I’ve survived my share of female terrorism, but I’ve been fortunate enough to reach an emotional and intellectual position where females have very little power to continue damaging me. In this context I think there are females who can still be reached with compassion/pity/empathy administered with game. The correction/backlash/collapse probably IS inevitable, but there are those who can be saved beforehand, and a time will probably come when every solid, awake person of integrity we know will count towards survival.

“I have many odd ideas, one of which is that there is no skin colour except skin colour. Some skins are light and some dark but all are the same colour”

I’m not following you on this one. There are clearly different skin colors, according to the scientific definition of color. If this is meant to metaphorically imply that races do not exist, I emphatically disagree and feel obligated to point out that race is more than skin deep. Race is a collection of differences in the full range of physical and behavioral characteristics. Skin color is simply the most obvious. Albino sub-Sahara Africans, for example, are far more similar to dark sub-Sahara Africans than to, say, Malaysians or Germans.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 2
evilwhitemalempire February 23, 2011 at 01:17

To me, a healthy strong traditional woman (not today’s typical American woman) has on average developed her emotions often a bit more than an average man

U.A.D.
Utterly
Asinine
Drivel

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 1
Gendeau February 23, 2011 at 01:53

To me, a healthy strong traditional woman (not today’s typical American woman) has on average developed her emotions often a bit more than an average man

hmmmm ‘developed her emotions’?

Maybe more like,

Women are awash with tides of emotions sweeping over them, these emotions help keep life dramatic, which most women lurve. Developing their emotions, nowadays, means watching daytime tv emotional porn and believing that is how life works.

Men, on the other hand, try and rise above their emotions, or harness them to help them in their endevours.

Strong women, a dying or dead breed, attempt to rein in their need of drama to ‘keep it real’.

These are the old hospital matrons (mother superiors as well?) that ran their wards full of young women nurses with a rod of iron – because they knew what back-biting, clique-forming, drama-queen biches the young women could be.

@evilwhitemalempire
don’t you mean ‘utter uterine drivel’

@crella, please post more…

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0
evilwhitemalempire February 23, 2011 at 02:38

If you, too, can stop thinking of a poor, misguided girl as “the enemy”, you will be amazed at the effect it will have on your results.

That ‘effect’ you refer to is probably just them being happy knowing that you aren’t trying to hold them accountable for anything.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 0
migu February 23, 2011 at 02:40

I don’t about the high road, but Im certain the main road leads to the edge of a cliff.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0
fmz February 23, 2011 at 02:48

Aaw shucks. You want to rescue da femmynutz from their deluded selves.

Brother, that is a classic male delusion, aka… Knight in Shinny Armour.

Its well enough a gargantuan task for any man to untangle his own delusion without compounding them thru wimminz. In fact mans biggest delusion is Woman. Stop dressing her up and making her into something she isn’t.

Since we’re on the subject of delusion, the essence of that beast is… You-Am-I. When l look at you, I see myself. I make you, with my thoughts. All projection and denial. That’s all thats ever going on. In that regard its real simple to understand, yet the web of conditioned self-deceit is very difficult to untangle.

To this end it is not only useless to engage da femz on that level, it feeds the beast. The beast thrives on attention and engagement. Validation. Psych101.

Let it starve. Its difficult to walk away from, but its the only cure.

This is what l like so much about go-your-way. It solves so many ‘problems’ without doing anything in relation to.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0
Vanyo February 23, 2011 at 04:23

Dated a teacher awhile back and went to a party with her – all of her friends were hardcore lesbians, some married, and gay dudes. I was probably one of the only straight masculine men there. Everyone spoke down to me in a most condescending manner, as if I were dense, even she began to. So, when no one was looking I got my coat and left and f*cked off down to the pub and never spoke to her again. How depressing.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 31 Thumb down 2
SingleDad February 23, 2011 at 04:27

I guess people aren’t being fooled by the single mother propaganda the feminazi’s are selling, survey from the Pew Charitable Trust:

Almost seven out of 10 U.S. residents believe mothers raising children on their own is bad for society, a poll indicates.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/02/17/Poll-Single-motherhood-still-not-popular/UPI-30381297922019/#ixzz1EC93pZTo

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0
fmz February 23, 2011 at 04:27

Option Z…

Stop hanging out with femminutties and don’t discuss home decor with anyone.

What are ya doing in her lounge anyway.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 2
Gendeau February 23, 2011 at 04:40

@Vanyo,

women do seem to be prone to mistaking their world for the whole world, don’t they?

They live and work in a female dominated profession and think everything is just swell in that world.

The rest of us look at the education system and ask “WTF is going on? why are standards falling through the floor while the grades awarded keep going up?”

But hey,

the kids are happy “Iam must be klevr coz I got certifi… certifi… peeces of paper saying I am teh smartz”

the teachers are happy “I keep getting teh bonuzez for the improving results of teh kidz”

parents are happy “little jonny must be smart, what with all those certificates. I’m not sure he can spell or count very well (must just be me), but he sure knows how to pile in the hours on his XBox . PS3 / wii”

University lecturers (real ones, not wimminz sudies) are NOT happy “why the hell can these kids not spell or count? how on earth are we going to get them through to degree level? Oh, unless we lower standards (again), seems to work for schools…hmmm”

Employers? “We’d best be exporting jobs to countries that still educate and have a work ethic”

I believe that in the last ten years, or so, in the UK, ONE teacher has been sacked for incompetence – can you believe that? Every fucking teacher is just great except ONE. No standards enforced; it must be female (or manguina / marxist) dominated

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 11 Thumb down 1
fmz February 23, 2011 at 05:06

Hate to burst your bubble, but emotion isn’t the path to spiritual awakening and awareness. Reason is the ONLY way there. Spirituality requires a keen consciousness. Logic and reason is the only key. Emotion is a symptom of unconsciousness, evidence of being asleep. The well spring of delusion, the obstacle to spiritual awakening. If you think emotion will do it for you, then a scared baboon running from a lion is in a higher state of spirituality.

As feminine minded female, you will reject this, as you cannot understand it. Not b/c you lack the rational faculties but b/c emotion is easier. You are heavily identified with it. You cannot look at anything without feeling yourself, your emotions and personal narratives. In that sense you see nothing. Well, at least not since you were a baby, and probably not even then. All you have to do is a think up ways to feel yourself and you are where you think you are. Which is asleep, dreaming, deluded, trapped in an echo-chamber. Emotion is the lazy way through life, it will have you spinning in circles on yourself.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 2
Rachel-Nicole February 23, 2011 at 05:18

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 63
Gendeau February 23, 2011 at 05:53

you’re wasting your time…haven’t you got sammiches to be making?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 20 Thumb down 5
SingleDad February 23, 2011 at 06:04

@ Rachel

Project much?

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 25 Thumb down 4
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 23, 2011 at 06:13

zed February 22, 2011 at 15:43
“How do we do the service of warning women how dangerous the attitude of some men toward them is becoming without running afoul of the politeness police?”

It is very interesting to note that when I do women the SERVICE of telling them that they disgust me and all right thinking men that they HATE on me for pointing this out. Ummm… THAT YOU HATE ME IS WHY I DON’T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU. Which is promptly followed by more HATRED spewed at you. I’ve had this happen to me so many times I am totally immune to it. Guess what NO EEW woman has expressed the same hatred of me for saying the EXACT SAME WORDS.

My opinion is that it is totally useless talking to WW. Totally. I rarely waste my time. I am simply going to pound into the heads of the young men that WOMEN HATE YOU NOW. THEY ONLY WANT MAN-SLAVES. If you are happy to be a man-slave go ahead. And STFU about it.

I have said it plainly and clearly on places like TNS Radio. Men are going to start killing women as they are offered no other option. EVEN THEN, despite doing this service of WARNING them what is going to happen. Women and their mangina lackeys spew more hatred at me and more lies at me. Manginas like Chris Fields. He was just on TNS radio white knighting for ‘Kim’ to get her some ‘help’ from the men in the audience.

Look at it this way. I have openly said here to the wimminz

“F*** OFF! YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!”

Do they go? Nope. They just keep f***ing irritating us with their shit. When I lost my temper with my ex after years of this sort of shit I was genuinely afraid I would KILL HER or serverly injure her. So I ran to the bathroom and locked myself in it. She even tried to follow me into it. Women are SO STUPID that when they are faced with an enraged man who has lost his temper after years and years of abuse THEY STILL DO NOT KNOW THEY ARE IN DANGER. How…..stupid……can……you…..be?

The truth is Zed. Women are stupid. Dumb as rocks. I never used to say that. But they have shoved their stupidity down my throat so far I just wanna puke it all back up and move on. Look at it this way. Are Hestia, Thag, Dr Helen and any number of other self describes ‘good women’ ringing the bell to the women and saying:

“wake the f*** up sisters, you are so aggravating the men they are now openly talking about KILLING YOU! They are UP VOTING comments like ‘get the local mafia to hit her’. LADIES…you had better put away your delusions. The men are ANGRY AS HELL and they are NOT going to take it any more. And all they need to do is kill a few cops until the cops won’t answer your 911 call. Then it will be open slather on women. Is THAT what you want? Because they are pissed off enough to do this. Make no mistake.”

Do you see any woman saying THAT? No. They are relying on their white knight MEN. Well? Who are they going to rely in when pissed off men kill a few white knights to let them know that it is no longer acceptable to men to white knight? It’s going to happen. I can feel it in my bones. George Sodini is going to look like a kindergarten kid compared to what’s going to happen when real men who are real pissed off eventually decide they have had enough and do it in a well planned way. A way in which they will get away with it. Try these on for size. How hard is it for any man to figure out things like this.

1. Place poisonous gas canisters into a mall. Detonate at a busy period. 80%+ will be women. The men will mostly be manginas.
2. Poison the water supply in girls schools, police stations, guvment buildings. Full of women and manginas.
3. Make false 911 DV calls and then shoot the cops with a long range high powered rifles. If enough men did this no cop would answer a 911 DV call ever again. There is no way to protect a cop from a high powered sporting rifle at night. None.

Do any of you here realise just how easy it is to ANY of these things? I am not recommending them or even condining them. But if a man got into the frame of mind of Sodini and was actually SMART about it. There are PLENTY of ways he could attack women and manginas and their cop protectors with NO CHANCE AT ALL OF BEING CAUGHT as long as he kept his mouth shut.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 47 Thumb down 17
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 23, 2011 at 06:16

Gendeau February 23, 2011 at 04:40

The skill gap between Indian men educated in India and English men educated in the UK is MASSIVE. There is no other word for it. The Indian men are HUNGRY and they work their arses off. I was just in a team mostly comprised of Indian men. It was one of the most pleasant projects I ever worked on.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 14 Thumb down 2
Ken February 23, 2011 at 06:53

Like it has been said here before my friends…..
IS IT TRUE LOVE….OR JUST YOUR TURN???
Wombgoblins spawned by other men and these sociopathic “single moms” are the future…and well, I used to like watching the ‘Mad Max’ films until I realized they were a vision of America…post-2030! :::scowls::::

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 23, 2011 at 07:31

OT…but this deserves it’s own story….

Norman Scarth – My New Hero

Gentlemen,
this week I became acquainted with Norman Scarth. I must say, I didn’t cover myself in glory in our first email exchange. However, Norman pointed me to his blog and what he has done. He just asked me to read what he has done.

He is my new ‘#1 Hero’. His story is nothing short of un-believable.

Gentlemen?
Please allow me to introduce you to the kind of man I admire and respect.

Let me introduce you to the kind of man that was common when I was a kid.

Let me introduce you to the standard by which you might be well advised to measure yourself.

If there is a ‘standard’ to live up to? It is the ‘Norman Scarth’ standard.

Ask yourself. Against Norman? How do you measure up? I know I do pretty badly, but I am doing my best. Are you?

I am amazed I did not know of Norman via ANY of the men I have met before.

I ask each and every man who receives this email/posting to do two things.

1. Read over Normans story. He has fought the criminals in the courts with an energy, dedication and commitment that puts men 1/3 of his age to shame.

2. Pass along the link to his introduction entry here:

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/39/threadid/99/scope/posts/Default.aspx

If this mans story does not inspire you to choose to sit on lawful juries in lawful courts? I don’t know what will.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 3
Gendeau February 23, 2011 at 07:50

P-A:N

there are other points of view (which I will not be getting into), but then I can’t remember the last time I worked with a starter UK engineer – it’s just not the area that I work in. The rest of UK education seems to be forked, so I am pessimistic about the reality out there.

What I am sure of is that India and China will only be improving over time, so I am hoping to get retired before the interesting software gets exported over there. Maybe if they start taxing people there to raise their compatriots out of poverty, we’ll see a narrowing of the pay gap(?).

Having said that, semi-retired in China for a few years could be quite interesting for me, not sure it helps the rest of the western world when we export techie jobs though (it seems VERY shortsighted to export tech and manufacturing jobs to me, but meh I’m an engineer what do I know compared to a banker?).

Exactly what our oh-so-intelligent ‘leaders’ thinks we should be doing to pay our way, I’m waiting to see.

I guess they think we can pay our way with speculating banker scum, telephone help lines, installing roof insulation and playing x-box.

Germany is doing well at the moment, but it’s by avoiding their currency rising as they export, by roping themselves to the dead weight of a lot of other coutries.

The Deutschmark used to ever increase in value; their cars kept getting more expensive for foreigners. By lumping in with the euro, they’re screwing over the other countries with interest rates (and strong currency)to suite Germany, that fuck up everybody else. Ireland (and the other piigs) could do with a touch of devaluation, not happening when you’ve let Germany drive the finances.

It’s the side of the euro that you don’t get to hear, you only hear germans complaining at bailing out other countries, you never hear that they’re making out like bandits on the back of those self-same other countries.

For the record (as I’m English), I wish Ireland well, the best of luck. I’ve always found the Irish I’ve met friendly (and the Ozzies), but then I’ve worked in France (and loved the people there), maybe I’m just an affable guy (when I’m not posting about wimminz (not women)).

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 23, 2011 at 08:11

zed February 22, 2011 at 18:28
“Peter Nolan has had everything he worked for for more than 20 years of his life stolen from him, been betrayed in the foulest possible manner and lied about by the woman who vowed to “cherish” him until “death do us part”, lost his children, and everyone just sort of skips over those inconvenient facts to tell him that he shouldn’t be so forceful when he talks about it, and should “tone it down.”
Men have no place to go to express their pain, anger, and anguish among other men who understand. Everyone wants to 2nd guess how he “should” be saying it, so that they don’t have to listen to or acknowledge what he is saying. It is just one subtle way that is used to suppress and silence men.”

Indeed Zed. When people hear ‘anger’ in what I say? Where is that ‘anger’? It is in THEIR heads. I am not angry. I am merely reporting facts, evidence, and opinion about that. Yet people say ‘tone it down’. Well? Tone it down in YOUR head whoever wants to say that. When I did my TNS Radio interview (its on my web site) many people commented ‘he does not sound as angry as he does in his writing’. Um..there is NO ANGER in my writing because I am not angry. That I speak ‘forcefully’ is NOT anger. It’s just being plain and to the point in my writing. Something women and their mangina lackeys don’t want of course. Women and their mangina lackeys don’t agree with freedom of speech.

I’ve stated MANY times over that I am happier now than I have EVER BEEN. People I work with simply can not comprehend how happy I am given just how badly I was treated. They ask me if I wish ill to my ex and I say “No. I wish justice to my ex.” And I will get justice.

Women HATE that I tell young men my story. Women HATE that I am happy. Women HATE that I have published the irrefutable evidence of the crimes against me. Women HATE that I published the courtroom video, transcript and order. They most especially HATE that I am very happy. Women have HATED on me for three years now. They are now starting to realise that I don’t care if they HATE on me because I happen to be right. They are now starting to realise that I’m not going away. I’m not going to be silenced. They are now starting to realise that I am going to make good on my word that I gave in 2008. That was “If women allow my children to be abused and allow me to be abused, I will make damn sure there are fewer men willing to be fathers and husbands”.

My ‘closest women friends’ mocked me and laughed at me. Well? Are they laughing now? Are they laughing when I tell men “5% is the new 50% if you are a man”. Are they laughing that young men are reading the perjurous documents my ex presented and noting that NO WOMAN challenged her on that crime. That NO WOMAN challenged her on stealing EUR18,000 from our company. That NO WOMAN challenged her abuse of my former children? No. The women are NOT laughing that the evidence I produce of THEIR treachery is so compelling.

Yes Zed. The women HATE me a LOT for what I am doing. What I am doing is putting the irrefutable evidence and my testimony in front of young men. The young men are listening. It is an exponential process. Young men have heard about how bad the courts are. But now they have a video, transcript and order to SHOW them how bad the courts are. THAT is a MASSIVE difference from ‘hearing a man complain’.

As for the accusation by some loser I am ‘venting’? Why would I ‘vent’ when I can put cold, hard, irrefutable facts in front of young men. The cold, hard, irrefutable fact that from my 25 years of labour, as one of the BEST fathers and husbands around, I was graciously given 5% of proceeds (EUR12,000 with costs being EUR50,000) and NO WOMEN DENOUNCE THIS AS A CRIME!!!

THAT is what young men need to know. I am going to tell them until I die. MANY women have wished that would be sooner rather than later. The HATRED is all one way. WOMEN HATE MEN now.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 24 Thumb down 7
mgtow February 23, 2011 at 08:12

Don’t argue with a feminist. It’s a waste of time, breath and brain cells.

Let me just quote Alice from ‘Secret Option C’

Alice: What about voting?! What about equality?! Do you think women should just cook dinner and stay at home with the children?!

1) Ahh… suffrage for women. See how ‘lovely’ things have turned out since women have been allowed to vote? You might as well allow kids to drive on the roads.

2) Still believe in the gender equality bullshit fairy tale, darling? Wage gap, glass ceiling, big bad spooky patriarchy out to get you and keep you down?

3) Can you even cook? Can you even handle kids firmly and fairly? You scorn and label these chores as ‘demeaning to women’, but I tell you in all honesty, they require much more skill, EQ, and raw intellect than what you highly schooled, poorly educated broads can gather from your feminism-indoctrinated pea brains.

So… to Alice and all those who toe the feminism line, you can kiss my ass and shove your delusional ideology up yours.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 29 Thumb down 5
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) February 23, 2011 at 08:37

crella February 22, 2011 at 21:13
“Peter’s posts about his wife not helping him when he had herniated discs, are just unbelievable.”

It’s standard Crella. To be fair she did eventually feed me and get me water…just as she did fetch me some fries and ice cream from McDonalds the time I was strapped to the hospital bed due to an incompetent female putting a hole in my spinal column. It’s not that she didn’t help EVENTUALLY. It is that her attitude was ‘why should I help you’ before she helped me. Duh. Because I am your HUSBAND!?!?

This is what WW are like now Crella. You can sit and listen to them. They will bad mouth their husbands openly. On the occasion of my exs 40th birthday I happened to be home. She was invited to a lunch with her similarly non-working wifey friends. I was invited since I happened to be there. As I sat there these women said things about their husbands that I NEVER HEARD as a young man. They ALL bad mouthed their husbands. The rule “if you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all” was thrown out the window apparently.

Many of the men were self made millionaires. ALL of them were very, very successful in business. ALL OF THEM. Mostly the men were diplomats, managing directors, or senior managers on assignment. A few ran their own companies. They were the whos who of business. I used to have christmas lunch with the British Ambassador for Business in Ireland. I was consistently invited to the Australian Ambassadors residence for Australia Day. My ex used to drive the wife of the Australian Ambassador out on trips as she was an older woman who was very nervouis about the narrow roads. So the Australian Ambassador saw we got invited to ‘all the right parties’. We were rubbing shoulders with the ‘rich and famous’. Bono and the Edge even turned up to the school christmas carols one year. I was so pissed I missed meeting them at the time.

NONE of these women worked….some NEVER WORKED. ALL of these women had kids in the MOST PRESTIGIOUS private school in Dublin for primary school kids. Castle Park. (Yes. It is in a REAL Castle.) And they ALL bitched up a storm about how ‘bad’ their husbands were. NO EXCEPTION. I was shocked at this. When I went home I told my wife that the way in which these women spoke about their husbands was TOTALLY unacceptable to me and if I EVER heard of her doing this there would be very, very severe consequences to that. This is what WW are like now Crella. And you wonder why I find them disgusting. The pampered princess of a wife to an ambassador or managing director is ‘not good enough yet’. Hhhmmmm…..

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 13 Thumb down 6
Ken February 23, 2011 at 09:09

So… to Alice and all those who toe the feminism line, you can kiss my ass and shove your delusional ideology up yours.

Well-put! :::evil flying monkey grin::::
My #1 response to feministas and married manginas I meet regularly around town is KISS MY SINGLE ASS!

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 5
SingleDad February 23, 2011 at 09:54

Talking about the high road, let’s not forget how fond the feminists are of using their children, the Nazi youth, of feminism, indoctrinated to hate since birth:

She’s not going to let some man hold her back from having a good career and doing some good, alright?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/02/23/five_year_old_won_t_marry_you

That is child abuse.

Could you imagine the outcry if a toddler was filmed talking about how “no woman is going to rape me in family court, destroy my career and steal my children”.

Disgusting.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 2
Anonymous February 23, 2011 at 10:04

Rachel-Nicole

“wow, theres a lot of hateful and angry comments on this post.”

Yes that’s just what the creationists say about Richard Dawkins.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 13
William Gruff February 23, 2011 at 10:36

goldenfetus wrote:

‘ …I’m not following you on this one. There are clearly different skin colors, according to the scientific definition of color. If this is meant to metaphorically imply that races do not exist, I emphatically disagree and feel obligated to point out that race is more than skin deep. Race is a collection of differences in the full range of physical and behavioral characteristics. Skin color is simply the most obvious. Albino sub-Sahara Africans, for example, are far more similar to dark sub-Sahara Africans than to, say, Malaysians or Germans.’

I don’t want to start a lengthy, tedious and ultimately pointless discussion on a subject that is at best no more than tangential to the object of the post but I would just point out, for the sake of clarification, that I was not claiming that races do not exist, far from it. I would also point out that tones and colours are completely different things.

The pigments that tone skin are present in all human skin, whether light or dark, which is why light skinned peoples tan when exposed to high levels of sunlight. Regardless of race, we are all the same colour, albeit in varying tones.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1
William Gruff February 23, 2011 at 10:54

SingleDad wrote: ‘Talking about the high road, let’s not forget how fond the feminists are of using their children … ‘

Yes, the video you’ve linked to isn’t funny. Cruelly, that little girl has been set up for a nasty surprise when she’s older, possibly even a debilitating shock, and she has therefore been, as you say, abused. The tide is slowly turning on feminism and she will have to learn what other commenters in this thread have remarked, in other contexts, that ‘it’s not about you sweetie’. That in itself is going to be hard enough for her to cope with, imagine what the realisation that mummy wasn’t telling the truth may do to her.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1
Vanyo February 23, 2011 at 10:56

@Gendeau – these teachers were anything but engaging. Generally your very predictable and boring leftist outlook, some of the most boring, predictable, witless and vapid conversations I ever had. They were all obsessed with Madonna as well. Unhealthily obsessed, as when I asked them what it was about Madonna they all like, every single one of them mentioned how ‘empowered’ she made them feel, along with other feminine nonsense. Not one of them mentioned her talent and singing/writing music/dancing (all debatable of course) .

No, it was all about how she was a free, empowered, dominant woman.

Made me sick. These are the people teaching our young ones. That is what is destroying society. To them, I was nothing but a testosterone filled nobody, a lowly white heterosexual man with hair on his arms and chest.

These dykes were just bland, self aggrandizing womyn, but you sensed that at any minute they would lurch into an intolerant rage if you did not toe the feminist line.

I just had to get out of there. The gay dudes were just weak looking effeminates – not flaming by any standard – nondescript types with somewhat feminine mannerisms, weak voices, weak demeanours, they dressed in herbish Gap type clothing, with Justin Beiber haircuts. They didn’t look like they needed a shave at all, boring as piss, drinking chardonnay and discussing art and sh*t like that. No muscle mass what so ever, either rakishly thin or somewhat overweight. No life in their eyes, bland, humourless twits.

Uh. To be honest it was pretty creepy, I felt like I was on another planet. All of them were in their late 20s early 30s.

This is the future. These freaks all grew up indoctrinated into the hor/homo agenda. I’m sure a fair few of them probably wouldn’t have ended up gay had they but only been born a few years prior.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 2
Vanyo February 23, 2011 at 11:03

I should add, the woman I went there with – I had only met her twice before and it was brief – she had been dressed in a manner that I could not tell her body type very easily, however she had a huge chest was all I could really tell. It was this night however, that I discovered the sheer enormity of her keister. She also could not cook, tended to become brazen when you disagreed with her, and started to behave more and more masculine as the evening progressed. She also drank and smoked too much, and of course there was the perfunctory talk of her ‘promiscuous’ past, I can only assume it was 5+ years and 50+ pounds ago….

It wasn’t a difficult decision to bugger off out of there TBH. My psychological assessment took very little time. There’s a reason this woman was still single, in fact, many reasons.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2
Douglas Tooley February 23, 2011 at 11:32

No need to be strategic, just be honest, in personal relationships or work. If something deserves praise, praise it. If it merits scorn, scorn it. It that becomes a problem remove the person from your life, or you theirs, as appropriate.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1
Ramses February 23, 2011 at 17:20

Option D: Collect your possessions quietly and just walk out without saying a word or
looking back. And then prostrate yourself on the ground and thank God for
getting out alive and psychically in one piece.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 1
New Guy Part Deux February 23, 2011 at 19:20

To paraphrase;

“Don’t ever argue with a feminist. She’ll just drag you down to her level and beat you with stupidity”.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2
King Alfred February 23, 2011 at 20:28

Trying to reason with a feminist is worse than a waste of time. Like trying to teach a pig to sing, but much more dangerous and frustrating.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1
goldenfetus February 23, 2011 at 21:17

The pigments that tone skin are present in all human skin, whether light or dark, which is why light skinned peoples tan when exposed to high levels of sunlight. Regardless of race, we are all the same colour, albeit in varying tones.

I admit I was totally ignorant when it came to the difference between tone and color when I originally posted. After reading online, however, I am still confident saying that there is a great deal of variation in human skin color AND tone. In other words, I do not think it is fair to say that ‘white’ skin and ‘black’ skin are the same color OR the same tone. I think the fallacy comes in conflating the intensity of the pigment in human skin with a color tone scale, when the actual phenotypical results of pigment variations do not fall on a single value scale as I understand it.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1
Lupo February 23, 2011 at 23:35

So… don’t try to argue with a feminist; pick option C and argue with a feminist? I don’t know what fantasy world you inhabit, but real life don’t really work that way. Expressing mild distaste that anyone would be that dumb and moving on would work for me.
What works better: not associating with idiots who read feminist lesbian poetry. Most of them have a screw loose and really do hate men; whether their father didn’t buy them a pony, or the frat boy who never called them after pumping and dumping them. I’m not a goddamned therapist: some people can’t be helped.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1
fmz February 24, 2011 at 01:53

Peter-Andrew:Nolan,

Who cares what da femz do or did think of you. They’re just femz.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 2
Peter February 24, 2011 at 02:43

I really appreciated your comment, but you forgot to add that the news & entertainment media’s embrace of Feminism made it trendy. That sold it to women as much as anything else, IMO.

Indeed. Women didn’t suddenly go haywire. They were socially engineered into revolting against a perceived injustice based upon media b.s. and encouragement.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 2
Nick S February 24, 2011 at 04:08

The author of this piece does make some valid points. But I would caution that the ‘Take the High Road’ approach will only work with a minority of self-identified feminists.

There are a certain number of feminist-lite women, who are simply naive women who believe that feminism is really just about equality. These women are not evil. They are just dumb. Feminism functions a lot like a dangerous religious cult. The core of the movement is irredeemably evil and destructive. But a certain number of naive, impressionable individuals get hoodwinked into it. That is why although there are some moderate feminists, there is no real moderate feminism. By that I mean that if you look at most of the so-called ‘moderate feminists’ or ‘equity feminists’ like Cathy Young or Christina Hoff Somers, they are really apostates who are reviled and excommunicated from the bulk of self-identifying feminists.

The ‘Take the High Road’ approach will not work with any but the softest of feminists though. Indeed, for any that are slightly more hard-bitten, it will be counterproductive. Excessive accommodation and reasoning will be seen as a sign of weakness, thereby encouraging more unreasonable demands. That is why the more that western men have tried to be sensitive to women, the more they have been screwed over by the system. Lest we forget the definition of insanity.

In my experience dealing with girlfriends and female friends, as a general rule, the women who are most amenable to this kind of persuasion are usually more feminine, at least somewhat attractive, pleasant enough to deal with, and have merely caught a minor strain of feminist twaddle. These women are more likely to be brought around with a bit of charm and flattery and patient explanation. But if you take a woman who is (say) a bit ugly, has had bad relationships, or has in any way had much of a chance for her emotional investment in victimhood and resentment to grow at all, then it is usually pointless and merely likely to attract more abuse and escalation of her favorite emotional games. It usually takes less hurt for women to start hating men than it takes for men to hate women.

Feminist indoctrination is a disease where if it is detected early, and the patient has otherwise good health, it can be cured. But once the infestation has progressed, the prognosis is bleak.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 2
Bill February 25, 2011 at 13:50

I have an idea for option D:

Just gloss over it. Treating a woman like her opinion matters to you makes you weak (and thus sexually unattractive) in her eyes. Say something like “oh that’s nice” and never bring it up again. If she presses you talk in non sequitors and be obtuse. In a non hurtful/bitter way treat her like the silly girl she is. This establishes that you are higher status than she is.

Every time she tries to start something ideological just poo-poo it very quickly in a nonchalant way. You will not be her drama cow. Eventually she will get the signal and start acting feminine and boom no more problems.

I’m of the opinion that feminism is the greatest shit test of all time…just wave it off like every other shit test and you are golden.

Whatever you do don’t get verbose. Verbose=trying to justify yourself to a woman with reason=sign of weakness=loss of sexual interest on her part.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 2
cygnus niger February 25, 2011 at 20:07

I recently spent some time in jail.
I was amazed at the hatred and contempt that everyone had for women.
From conversations about their women, I had my eyes opened to a reality about their total lack of morals that I had never imagined. I guess I should watch more S & M porn. They will do anything.
The ONLY word ever used was “bitch, as in “Put a cotract on the bitch”, Fuck a bitch, etc.
This attitude is widespread and percolating upwards.
What if, on a previously decreed day, every man refused to take an order from a woman?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 2
Poester99 February 28, 2011 at 08:44

@cn

And the US is trying to get as many men in prison as possible.
Do they think this can end well?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0
Poester99 February 28, 2011 at 08:51

@cn

I think that the men who think we’re whiners (and who regularly get down on their knees to beg for pussy) would try to pick up ALL the slack. They’d do it too, too many of them.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1
Kt April 13, 2011 at 07:48

What I see here are a lot of men with a lot of ego. It seems like a tough road for you and all, being asked to share equality with others. You sit around here and commiserate, but you don’t share nearly as many constructive ideas, positive ways to work things out with feminists, or really much to a positive end. Instead, you sit around here and bitch, you throw hate left and right, and you whine.

The world does not revolve around you or anyone else. I don’t care that you feel entitled to things because you have an XY and not an XX, and I don’t care that you are misogynist in your views. I do care that your logic is flawed: you lump every single woman into one category and demonize it.

I want to hear one ounce of logic here. Forget history, forget your emotions, and if you use statistics, please display both sides. For example:
Domestic Abuse:
- On average, more than three women and one man are murdered by their intimate partners in this country every day.
- Between 600,000 and 6 million women are victims of domestic violence each year, and between 100,000 and 6 million men,
(Rennison, C. (2003, Feb). Intimate partner violence. Us. Dpt. of Justice/Office of Justice Programs. NXJ 197838.
Tjaden, P., & Thoennes, N. (2000). Extent, nature, and consequences of intimate partner violence. National Institute of Justice, NCJ 181867.)

-Surveys find that men and women assault one another and strike the first blow at approximately equal rates.
(Archer, J. (2000).

-Seventy-eight percent of stalking victims are women. Women are significantly more likely than men (60 percent and 30 percent, respectively) to be stalked by intimate partners.
(Center for Policy Research, Stalking in America, July 1997)

-Eighty percent of women who are stalked by former husbands are physically assaulted by that partner and 30 percent are sexually assaulted by that partner.
(Center for Policy Research, Stalking in America, July 1997)

(for the first point)Of course, we have to take into account that men are less likely to report abuse, but a 6/1 ratio with such a large sample group indicates that there is a significant difference.

I could go on, but I would rather see you logic this out for me. After browsing a lot of the posts and threads here, what I see 90% of the time are the following:
- Providing zero evidence (unless it’s a wayward news story, which I’ll address in a moment) of claims. For example:

- Irrelevant Conclusion (Ignoratio elenchi fallacy)
V3NOM1300′s signature which reads:
“Yesterday my male Professor made fun of men getting their penis chopped off for not keeping their wives happy. All the women in the lass found it hilarious.
That is all you need to know about the state of relationships in America”

- Converse Fallacy of Accident (One therefore all)
Baphomet:
Women want thugs, and they have rape fantasies.
saige
“Women are whores before they’re anything else. When a women divorces her husband she’s only collecting her dues after years of sex…etc”

I could go on but to be honest, most arguments don’t even fall under a fallacy because they distort the facts. Example:
Quoted by Zerbert:
“In Katherine Gundelfinger’s view… in 2007 to win a woman’s right to swim topless”
Response:
Typical American female…
She will lobby for the right to show her breasts under the guise of equality but I didn’t read about anything to make the draft mandatory for both men and women.

Gundelfinger lobbied for a woman”s “right” to swim topless. Right is not the same thing as a draft. Honestly do you even read things before flying into a blind rage.

More general examples are:
Here is one case of a woman hurting/killing her child! WOMEN ARE MONSTERS AND DEVILS. MEN ARE SAINTS.
You selectively pick out articles about women who hurt their children, which is fine, but you do not look at articles that are the opposite. Both sides can be at fault for these things. Some reading:
MEN:
“Teen escapes as Fla. dad kills family , self”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30555915/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
“Axed dad slaughters family”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_0VrNXVZq8yLU2s16Zkd52I
“Father slaughters his 9 month old son and Maternal Grandmother, tries to kill Mother of his child. Has History of Domestic Violence, Kidnapping attempted Murder ”
http://thetruthaboutthefamilycourt.blogspot.com/2011/04/father-slaughters-his-9-month-old-son.html

WOMEN
“Michigan Woman Killed Daughter, Tried Suicide, Police Say”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/18/michigan-woman-killed-daughter-tried-suicide-police-say/

“Woman kills brother for cash, father helps her hide crime”
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-02-07/delhi/28360970_1_sanjit-rekha-anil
And so forth.

In Conclusion,
Tell me why women and men are not equal again. Use actual evidence and not your emotions or your argument isn’t valid. Look at both sides of things.
Otherwise all I see is a bunch of immature, whiny, excuse-driven, men who have to pad their egos to make themselves feel superior. You bash women, have awful arguments and logic, refuse to debate with women or look at evidence contrary to what YOU think, and you generally disgust me.

The fact that I am, you guessed it – female, does not make my thoughts and words invalid, so read them. I believe I have presented an argument that acknowledges situations of both men and women, which is more than I can say for this community.

*Please Note: Although I do not doubt some men on here have been screwed over by women, let’s remember that just because you were, does not mean a woman has not been in the same situation. You are not a special butterfly or anything of the sort. Nor am I.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 7
L. May 4, 2011 at 05:03

- Providing zero evidence (unless it’s a wayward news story, which I’ll address in a moment) of claims. For example:

What about that guy who has his own website talking about how he was almost destroyed (and that sounded to me like a whole lot of pain).

- Converse Fallacy of Accident (One therefore all)
Gee and now you’re judging a guy because he’s pissed off his ex “took the whole damn planet in the divorce” …. few questions for you my dear :
-> did he suffer ?
-> do you think it’s bad ?
-> would you like this happening to you ?
-> would you react any sweeter if you felt robbed in a perfectly accepted and unjust way ?

Gundelfinger lobbied for a woman”s “right” to swim topless. Right is not the same thing as a draft. Honestly do you even read things before flying into a blind rage:

A) rights -> drafts -> laws (or is it the other way around –)
B) you’re in a country where people get sued for looking at a girl wearing a miniskirt … WTF makes you think its a good idea to allow women to swim topless ? Don’t you expect that to create more lawsuits ?

In Conclusion,
Tell me why women and men are not equal again. Use actual evidence and not your emotions or your argument isn’t valid. Look at both sides of things.

I believe women and men are NOT equal, otherwise we would have women racecar champions, women air combat aces and women blablabla stuff men are better at. Just as we would have men blablabla stuff women are better at (you fill the gaps that ain’t my job).

However, I believe men and women should be treated equal by society, and that is NOT the case, and that is my (and I think other people here’s) problem.
-> 90+% of divorces are asked by women
-> most divorces are settled in a way that favors women
-> a man can get at most his children 50% of the time
-> a woman can get at minimum her children 50% of the time
-> women *Can* get jobs based on quotas, we cannot
-> women are on the cover of 95% of the magazines, we are not
-> women can sue for sexual harassment any day without any solid evidence whatsoever
-> women can sue any of their boyfriends for rape (yes this is technically possible, and abused by some)
-> want some more ? well I’m tired of writing, ask the people here they’ll help you out

People here don’t seem to bash much, except some very (and for some reason) bitter ones, however you seem to be quite offensive, talking about superiority, bashing, awful arguments and logic, and refuse to debate, disgust.

The argument you presented acknowledges what you know about the situations of men and women, and obviously that is quite incomplete, seeing how long this boring message is, I suggest you try completing your set of information before arguing again, and for starters maybe pay some attention at the people mentioning here that they’ve got hurt past their limits.

The fact that you are “female” does not make your words invalid, however your offensive stance, disregard for other people’s pain and obvious misunderstanding of women’s position in USA / Europe 2011 do definitely hurt your credibility.

“not a special butterfly”

You know what ? yes you are, you are a woman, the society protects you in ways men wouldn’t even dream of, you get advantages no man has, etc.

If you truly believe men are treated just as well as women, please re-read this post, then go on reading about sexual harassment lawsuits, divorce lawsuits, and so many more facts where the imbalance is so strong no sane person would miss it.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 4
Jon November 18, 2011 at 21:21

There’s no use to reason with a feminist. Most women are emotional creatures that won’t do anything unless “it feels right.” Just let the women who have taken feminism up their vaginas die out and rebuild after the imminent collapse ends. Those women are dying out anyway since they usually don’t reproduce enough.

Let them die and rebuild, or move out of the country and fraternize with REAL women in other countries.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1

Leave a Comment

{ 2 trackbacks }

Previous post:

Next post: