Universities like everyone else are feeling the pinch in the current economy. This has led to them to look for places where they can cut expenditures. It would make the most sense to cut the useless parts of a university such as womens studies majors, various ethnic studies majors, “diversity” programs, programs for women, affirmative action, etc. and all of the associated expensive deans and bureaucracy that come along with such uselessness. The University of Cincinnati has not done this. Instead the University of Cincinnati has decided to cut its computer science major.
While the university claims that the computer science major is really being folded into other majors so nothing will be “lost”, this is not true. Computer Science is an independent discipline. Folding computer science into other majors is like a university trying to merge its chemical engineering major into its chemistry major. Despite the overlap, it makes no sense.
A university has many purposes ranging from preparation for jobs and careers to loftier goals such as expanding the sum total of human knowledge. The University of Cincinnati, by cutting its computer science major instead of its womens studies major and all other useless major,s has failed all of these purposes. What they decide to eliminate and keep sends a strong message about what they think is important. The University of Cincinnati has sent a clear message that what they think is important is feminist and leftist indoctrination.
Even knowing that the University of Cincinnati has decided to place more importance in feminist and leftist indoctrination than employment and the body of human knowledge, why was computer science chosen as the first major to be eliminated? Most likely there were several factors in the university’s decision but one of them had to be the pervasive anti-male bias that exists at most universities. Computer science is a major that is taken by mostly men, and those men are mostly “politically incorrect” men such as white men and asian men. If the University of Cincinnati cuts more majors they will most likely be other engineering and science majors that are made up of mostly “politically incorrect” men.
In the end this decision really only hurts the University of Cincinnati. Anyone who wants to major in computer science will go elsewhere along with their tuition and fees. Many men who weren’t going to major in computer science will still avoid the University of Cincinnati because its anti-male bias is clearer than the average university. In a few years alumni donations will start to collapse as men who are employed in computer science jobs will be donating to the universities they went to and not the University of Cincinnati. All the womens studies and ethnic studies alumni will not be able to make up for the lost alumni donations. The womens and ethnic studies alumni are going to government, quasi-government, and other government mandated jobs that are going to collapse in the near future. A alumni with no job or a job where they have to say, “Would you like fries with that?” will not be able to donate to their alma mater. Research grants will fall apart for the University of Cincinnati as they will not be able to make use of them.
In a way it’s good that the University of Cincinnati made this decision. Instead of hiding what they’re really about, now everyone knows.
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Nothing new, certainly here in the UK the education system from primary through to tertiary has evolved into a business where revenue is a function of the number of bums on seats.
This doesn’t just mean more bums = more money, it also means the cheaper the seats = more money, so the chemistry lab, engineering shops and can all go, but the equine aromatherapy and modern culture and youtube degrees can all stay.
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…and the same fate awaits any institution that subscribes to feminism or other reality-denying ideologies. Nature has a way of course-correcting itself. Grab a beer and popcorn and watch the show.
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This is like… quadrupling down.
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Universities (today, more accurately referred to as ‘Diploma Mills’) are a business. Men are, correctly, foregoing college for a number of rational reasons. The client base, colleges are left with, is getting more female. Expect to see more PhD degrees awarded in Women’s Studies, Aesthetics, and Weddingology.
The real advancements and learning, in CompSci, are taking outside the pink-ironed gates of universities, in the corporate and open source spheres. Low and no-cost online learning is readily available. There has never been a professional field so accessible to new entrants in history. Anyone with the desire can learn and become employable. Traditional universities may be going the way of dinosaurs.
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The fembots are pushing to implement government policies toward the sciences that would mirror Title IX’s effect on sports. Title IX has resulted in the elimination of many men’s sports programs, because women are not as interested in playing sports as men are. One can guess how a parallel program for the sciences will pan out.
The people of China, India, Brazil, and no doubt many other countries must be laughing themselves to sleep at night.
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Whimmin’s and ethnic studies, diversity and basket weaving degrees have completely flooded the teaching, social working, HR and government sphere. To the point that getting one of these degrees or a degree in pretty much any liberal arts field is pointless and costs so much you will never land a job with enough salary to pay back the student loans handed out like candy to minorities and women.
Look for the progressive left to push for student loan debt to be forgiven and/or reduced payments and penalties soon. It’s another housing crisis loan bubble just waiting to happen.
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Womens studies is crap. Asinine crap. It might as well be called “Lessons in Perpetual Victim-hood”. If any of my kids major in womens studies they better believe they won’t get an ounce of financial support fro me.
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Anyone know if the university of cincinati has stock I can short sell?
Why not make a quick buck AND laugh at their demise?
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It’s marketing. When the majority of students are women and few women are interested in programs like CS, the college admin will seek to cut those programs from the catalog. Problem is the school will attract even fewer men, leading to a downward spiral. Many females go to college to meet men, after all.
Nearby Antioch College went out of business thanks to the excesses of their Womyns, who assumed an entire student body of lesbians could sustain a pricey liberal-arts school.
As intp mentioned, the barrier to entry into computer jobs is fairly low. Having worked as a software engineer for many years I came to the conclusion that this is a real problem in that the field is populated by hacks and posers whose primary focus is job security at the expense of their coworkers. It’s a crappy “profession”, if you can call it that.
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The sad thing is, man-hating is more lucrative than a lot of professions especially if it leads to a gov’t job, tenured professorship, or some nice vagimony payments.
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@AfOR: It’s still surprising that it was CS and not chemistry then, CS is really cheap. All you really need are computers, and most students have their own (and most other disciplines need computers, if only to type out papers).
I have a feeling that it’s something a little more complex. Most people who go to CS are interested by it, they want to learn. Women studies and so many of these other humanities are, as people commonly say, “wife’s degrees”. Most of their students are, in addition to being female, completely uninterested by the learning process. They go there because mommy and daddy sent them there, and for this to be even possible, that means they need to be well off. This means that the humanities demographics will be, a priori, more likely to spend more money.
That of course would not be enough. I have a feeling it might have gone something like this “We need to cut a department, how about Women’s Studies? — Do you really want to get our name published and shamed by feminist writer, and deal with all the likely student protests? Cut CS instead, no chance they’ll protest”.
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UC is consistent in there ideology, they have in recent years cut their track and field scholarships because there were no women interested in track and field. This was an area where UC was competitive.
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“equine aromatherapy”
I almost spewed coffee out my nose when I read that. Well done, Sir.
Unfortunately misandry has become so pervasive that women now far outnumber men in undergrad institutions like UoC, so it’s natural they would favor women’s programs when budgets are tight. This is a short-sighted business decision that will benefit no-one and harm many. When the wheels come off (probably within 12 months), a “Women’s Studies” degree won’t be worth the paper its printed on. Then again, the currency may not be worth the paper IT’S printed on either. Forget the popcorn – I’m going to clean my rifles.
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who needs computers right? who needs programs, systems, codes, algorithms right?
who needs innovation & creativity? who needs improvements & upgrades?
“digital revolution”, what’s that? information era? well hell no not this era. internet? you must be kidding! cut that program! we dont need that abomination!
psssssssssssh
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An easy way to hit two birds with one stone is for men to agitate for Men’s Studies departments of our own. Not only would this provide valuable research into things that might actually be useful but it would also be an excellent counterweight to the rank propaganda that keeps getting spewed out by feminists.
By Men’s Studies, I do not mean a water downed junk social science departments masquerading as academics. To the contrary, they should be rigorous academic programs using the best scientific minds and methods to in search of the knowledge.
It would seem a relatively easy thing to request. If we can have WS, why can’t we have MS? In this day and age where everything must be equal, give them what they have asked for. Our society has neglected men at all levels taking them for granted. If not a MS, then who will develop the next male birth control pill?
The antidote to feminism is not menism. It is knowledge. My guess is that feminists would fight MS to the bitter end. The biggest danger would be preventing it from becoming co-opted or subverted. As Woody Allen once famously said, “80% of success is just showing up”. By not having MS we are missing the boat.
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Bertrand Russell in his book The impact of science on society spelled out the various forms of propaganda. He refers to “education” (parenthesis his) as one of the most effective for the State. Also, since the western countries are being thrown under the bus as the corporations don’t need us anymore, there’s no real need to train us for jobs that no longer exist. They just need to indoctrinate us as the system goes down the drain so we’ll die off without giving our masters too much trouble.
Is this what we want? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
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There was nothing better than masculine liberal arts programs, where men learned to think critically. That was the best of the Western tradition, and started from the Greeks. Countless men added their own genius to the canon, from the Romans on through to medieval and renaissance thinkers and after that. Philosophy or classics majors used to be able to think things through and appreciate the past. They understood what beauty and life itself were about, and could talk in depth on a number of topics, such as art and music, in an intelligent way.
From what I know, many philosophy programs are now full of left-wing and feminist courses, such as feminist ethics; classics departments offer such interesting stand-bys as “women in antiquity.” Liberal education for men has become mangina training, where men learn to be self-hating males and accept female abuse.
I personally put up with a lot of feminist/mangina shit so that I could study that great tradition. Not sure where young men can get that now. A masculine liberal arts education would solve a lot of our problems.
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Feminist control of the universities is so total that it’s not even mentioned anymore than it would be mentioned that a mosque is for muslims or a church for christians. No feminist programme would ever be cut, half the faculty jobs would be in those courses, you’d have to change the entire leadership of the place before you could touch even one of those jobs. If in the end there is money for only one course at the college that course will be women’s studies. Public universities are just feminist temples.
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Look at it this way: there are many universities abroad that will take American students with open arms at a much cheaper cost.
No, nothing is lost for those who want to learn about computers, right?
Just go abroad: it will cost you less and you will meet nice women.
Two shots with one stone.
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When I was in Asia I asked them about the need for US computer experts. They laughed at me. They said all the best computer people come from India.
Maybe this is just the reflection of another dying industry wilted from the glare of feminism.
And this week Obama is meeting with Silicone Valley about how to start innovation to get us out of this recession. That’s rich, Silcone Valley started out of Stanford’s computer science dept, now computer science depts are closing under his adm.
I guess we will have more jobs for social workers, womens studies majors. Maybe we can assign one social worker per family at birth, like a pediatrician, and she can start a case right there and monitor all families.
Remember, if it saves one little darlings life…. /sarcasm
We’re screwed.
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University of Texas cut back back it’s ethnic and women’s studies curriculum a couple of months because of budget cuts. A large campus protest ensued.
Geeks, (white or asian males) will not organize and protest anything. Much safer. Cutting back women’s studies anywhere is BAD publicity. Wherever women are marching, the media will show up to cover it.
Computer science at any school is obsolete by the time it’s taught. The best programmers are self-taught and cutting edge. There’s a whole other world out there beyond Microsoft’s crap, that laymen aren’t aware of.
Academia is slowly eating itself as young men avoid it and they try to adapt to what women are interested in. The job market is already glutted with sociology majors.
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This is exactly the society the PTB have been planning for a LONG time. Some call it scientific socialism. Each individual managed by the state from cradle to grave. The PTB are dead serious about it.
“Maybe we can assign one social worker per family at birth, like a pediatrician, and she can start a case right there and monitor all families.”
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I want a bumper sticker that reads “Keep your social experiments off my baby”
Hot debate. What do you think?
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College has just become an extended High School. That is why I am amused when the media still pretends that it is some sort of achievement to be accepted into a state university. The two major universities in my state literally accept mentally retarded people.
There is not much need for a Computer Science department as America has outsourced most technical jobs. And this outsourcing has also extended into much of engineering.
Of course, there was never a need for Women’s Study departments. But the purpose of such departments is to provide a political indoctrination, not a real education. Just as the old Soviet Union had political officers assigned to all aspects of society, we have the hacks assigned to women’s study departments and “diversity” offices. The purpose is the same – to demand conformance of thought to a rigid ideology.
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Universities are over-prices institutions filled with pompous windbags. Any young man interested in “getting a degree” in computer science would be smart to investigate other options, such as associate degrees or bachelor degrees at the technical colleges which have very minor requirements for taking the feminist dominated liberal arts classes.
This article is most timely, after we recently had the President calling for more students in the sciences, math, etc. Of course, that’s just talk and hot air because if he were really interested in promoting the sciences, he’d have to promote men since they are the majority who can make a go at it.
It’s funny, in a way, because the ruling elite are completely paralyzed by their own ideology, whether at the local, state, federal, university, non-profit, whatever level. No doubt, the left and the right both privately admit that the US is sinking. Yet they cannot enact the solutions because their ideology prevents them. Whether it’s dismantling feminist foo-foo university departments, making government smaller, or vastly reducing the size and scope of our military global empire because we can’t afford it, both sides can’t move an inch because they are so immersed in their own propaganda.
Reminds me of the Soviet Union during the 1930′s. The government was stuck in it’s defense-against-spies-and-counterrevolutionaries rut. It was purging so many people from the middle to top ranks of society that their military, economy, production, etc. were all beginning to suffer. In the late 30′s Stalin finally woke up (probably because of the rising threat of Germany) and put an end to it by having the head of the secret police himself discredited and executed.
Stalin could do a 180 because it was one-man rule in the USSR at the time. In the US, that’s not the case, so one should expect a continued decline for some time.
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@ Lyn87
You think I was making that shit up???
http://www.equine-natural-health.co.uk/courses.htm
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wish I had done computer science…
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Yes it is.
I’m sure they are. After all they don’t have to be the best. They just have to not screw up by introducing feminism. There’s no guarantee that China, India, and Brazil won’t screw up this way. Look at who the president of Brazil is now.
There will be no open protest, but there will be a silent protest as men stop attending the University of Cincinnati. Of course, they can’t think that long term. This is an academic version of “going ghost” which is something their feminized brains will never understand.
I should add that it isn’t only computer science and such that are being cut. As a guy who has always preferred the humanities, I’ve been disappointed to see a number of universities cutting foreign language departments – including such “unimportant” languages as French and Russian – while keeping the superfluous gender/women’s studies programs.
It isn’t only technology and science that are being sacrificed to feminism, but culture as well. Pathetic.
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Great article. Thanks!
The NYT has a fascinating article on the collapse of Antioch College. “Much of this conformist thinking focused on gender politics, and it culminated in the notorious sexual offense prevention policy. Enacted in 1993, the policy dictated that a person needed express permission for each stage in seduction. (“May I touch your breast?” “May I remove your bra?” And so on.) In two decades students went from being practitioners of free love to prisoners of gender. Antioch became like one of those Essene communities in the Judean desert in the first century after Christ that, convinced of their own purity, died out while waiting for a golden age that never came.”
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“I wholeheartedly agree with the University’s decision. I took a women’s studies class in college and it was fun. We discussed Madonna and Kathryn Hepburn and interesting things like that. I think I failed the computer science course I was forced to take.”
That’s it; I’ve had it!
I would like to take this opportunity to plead that Lara be banned. I don’t automatically downvote her, and for a while thought she just might not be very smart – but such obvious and eggregious trolling should not be permitted; it cheapens and sullies this forum. It’s equivalent to a frivolous lawsuit, and is abusive and demeaning to this institution/community that we have fashioned.
Even though her comments invariably become hidden within an hour at most, that is far too long. I am a very patient man, but Welmer, you are far more indulgent!
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The way of the future is most definitely entrepreneurship.
There is no need for an expensive diploma if you are going to start your own business: all you need is… knowledge.
And the knowledge can be acquired for free from Open Universities that abound on the Net.
You education may end up costing you nothing.
I am presently doing a course on geology from Madras university in India. Just for the fun of it. It’s free. And it’s rather complete.
And then I will take some maths. For the fun of it.
I’m also looking into astrophysics. (but later)
You just have to get used to the Indian accent.
And then there is Yale, MIT and countless other places on the net where you can educate yourselves for free.
It really doesn’t matter if universities become strictly feminine: there are always other ways. What will a university teach you that you don’t already know when you surf the Net? How to change diapers?
Furthermore, there is so much room for imagination and creativity that a university diploma will certainly cut down on your chances for success: the university is no longer a place of learning but of political brainwashing.
Men must learn to go along without any government intervention.
That’s the true road to freedom.
Guys, believe me when I say that there is ALWAYS a workaround: the more obstacles are placed our way, the better. It will force us to become more creative. We may even learn how to work around the government altogether.
Wouldn’t that be a gas?
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All I’m seeing is a whole bunch of win.
Academia has been hollowing itself out for years. Teaching anything challenging or useful is out, PC feel-goodery is in, and bills are going up. The modern campus is like a Scientology centre that also issues degrees.
As long as these degrees still had some credibility, there was always going to be a kind of Red Queen effect where young men felt under pressure to pay through the nose to get one, even though they knew they were rubbish.
Now Unis are ditching any department that teaches anything useful and going full retard, at least they’re finally dropping the pretence that a modern degree means much of anything at all. The next generation of party girls and would-be commissars can turn up for three years of partying and/or indoctrination while anyone with serious ambitions (i.e. men) can save themselves a boatload of cash and do something else…. anything else.
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I recently read an ‘analysis’ article on the BBC website that explored the idea that the USA is due to collapse financially and as a superpower imminently. What was amusing was how the usual liberal / leftist canards were trotted out as gospel truth. The article ended by noting that America had survived before, and would again as it was second to none in education.
The accuracy of this statement in current times notwithstanding, its ironic that universities such as this one believe the way for America to retain its cultural dominance is via nonsense such as womens’ studies and other such crap, whilst they scrap the STEM subjects that are at the heart of civilisational success.
When society does collapse, these leftist retards will no doubt be wandering around in dazed shock, asking themselves ‘what happened?’ even as they ignore the truth in front of their eyes. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
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You never have to worry about the (at least at the faculty level) usually male dominated departments of biology and chemistry being cut back at large research oriented universities in the US because its these faculty who bring in grant money from the NIH and NSF (which the university gets 30-50% of off the top to pay for overhead). These departments are extremely valuable and often float departments that don’t bring in money, like feminist studies.
It kind of reminds me of the lipstick feminist Kate Riophie’s article in Esquire back in 1999 entitled “The independent woman and other lies” where she fantasizes about being married to a provider male so she can take soap baths while reading books on feminism.
It’s in women’s nature to financially exploit men from a personal all the way up to an institutional level, whether its concious or not.
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Foreign countries are adapting their educational systems by using the USA/UK as examples of what NOT to do. High school has become daycare centers and social clubs for teenagers. Much is being taught and very little is being learned.
Once students have the basics under their belt, India and China test and track their students into speciality areas; not just “college prep” or blue collar vocational type careers. Doctors, scientists, engineers…all start learning the fundementals of their “tracked” profession beginning as early as 12 years old.
The uber powerful teachers unions here (see Madison, Wisconsin) will not allow a reformation of the educational system because they’re too vested in it for employment security and benefits. Our education system could be twice as effective for half the cost. Start with the highly entrenched Department of Education, in bed with the unions, that receives $73 billion (up since Obama) a year of our federal tax dollars….for what?…more “do nothing” bureaucracy and money that’s used to “reward” states that comply with “certian programs”. And the teachers unions are also VERY close to the Dept of Education.
Young men need to drop out of the system while young and teach themselves or seek guidance as an apprentice to a journeymen type. And they shouldn’t just specialize within their chosen field, but broaden their education to remain flexible and employable.
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@meistergedanken: You’d think Lara would get tired after a while. What does he/she get from coming here every day, posting obvious trolling, and watching the downvotes pour in. I mean, I can see how it could be fun for a little while, but this long? Lara is clearly immune to boredom, which makes me think it might be a robot.
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It technically already has. The funny thing is one of the 2 reasons it hasn’t completely is that people are too ignorant to even know so. It’s exactly like the old Roadrunner cartoons when Wile E. Coyote is running in place in thin air and only falls after he looks down and realizes where he is. The other reason is the global economy. If this was the past where countries were isolated entities the economy would have completely collapsed and we’d be in post WWI Germany. The United States is being propped up because it’s “too big to fail”.
This used to actually drive me crazy but I realized that total collapse is exactly what the population deserves for being so brainwashed they’ll never know how ignorant they are.
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A little off-topic, but I can’t help it.
Modern knowledge on the rise and fall of nations!
Rise and fall of political complexity in island South-East Asia and the Pacific
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7317/full/nature09461.html
You can also read the text here; http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWS_FP7&ACTION=D&DOC=1&CAT=NEWS&QUERY=012bb14b9491:0841:598f06d5&RCN=32658
The big step back from civilisation occurs statistically more often in one great leap, whereas the steps forward will be in small increments.
Huh, interesting . . . !
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meistergedanken,
The “Lara” stays because the “men” here feel the need to respond to “her” comments. Why they feel this need to respond to such brainless comments is beyond me, but i guess some fucktards think they can impress “her” with their “smart” comments and then get some action.
I highly suspect Lara is a male. Never forget the first rule of the internet: when in doubt, its male.
Ban Lara +10000
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What we need to do is cut out the middle man.
I mean, at essence, what is a public university anyways? Is it not just a group “well learned” teachers instructing “students” whilst perusing their research on the side?
An important part (besides from funding) would be “standardizing” and/or “certifying” specific programs so as to verify that what was being taught isn’t just junk-science, but I think it could actually work for the academic disciplines that require less funding for facilities (Math, Philosophy, Comp Sci.)
How is “what constitutes a Math degree” decided upon at a public university anyways? What standards does a program have to meet, and who determines these standards in the first place?
W.F.Price, this would be a good research topic for a future article, people should really know the “human factor/inner workings” of public universities in the same way that they should know how mayors and governors get elected and the process by which bills get passed into law.
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In a free market, this would automatically self-correct. Employers would only go to select universities that had built up reputations over time regarding the quality of their teaching and therefore the calibre of their graduates. However, with the ever increasing incursion of big government and affirmative action type programmes that are intended to socially engineer outcomes more in line with the reigning elite’s cultural idiosyncracies, it becomes difficult to know what to expect – the growing spectre of ‘credentialism’ as has been noted previously on this site.
A real example of this happening right now in the UK is with the introduction of university fees. If a university charges the maximum possible, i.e. £9,000 a year, they have to demonstrate social inclusion, i.e. favor applicants from ‘poorer’ backgrounds. That this policy will destroy these institutions long-held and hard-won reputations matters not a jot to the liberal democrat party, the wing of the coalition government that insisted on this change. From their point of view, as the most left wing of the major UK parties, they were unable to lose more face in the education debate after they caved on their manifesto promises not to allow fees to be charged to students. Meanwhile, UK institutions like Oxbridge, the LSE, and various other top-tier universities will see their places fall farther and farther down the global academic rankings. Its painful to watch it happen, but in the current zeitgeist it seems inevitable.
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I was just reading the thread about gay men sympathizing with the men’s rights movement.
This fits into that as well. Gay men probably make up a substantial portion of the IT profession, as well as the student population of computer studies programs. This move by the university doesn’t discriminate between gay men or straight men or bisexual men. It is simply an attack on men.
I can’t speak for them, of course, but I speculate that most gay men would rather cut the useless queer studies programs than the computer science programs.
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@Gunn
I am afraid your understanding of UK politics and European for that matter is distorted by your American perspective.
Liberal in Europe means free markets (almost libertarian)
What you consider liberal, in Europe is called leftist or socialist (or socialdemocratic).
Saying this Lib-Dem could be defined as centre-left and between Tory and Labour although recently it’s becoming harder and harder to find any differences between those parties
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@Gunn
I agree with you. But I still think we could benefit from knowing the organizational structure of our academic communities..
..knowing who has the power to authorize what, and the process by which they attained those positions would greatly benefit the Spearhead’s cause..
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Unbelievable. Yet – not surprising.
Give ‘em enough rope – and they hang themselves.
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@AfOR
JFC I laughed out loud at your equine aromotherapy as well, the I followed your follow link – I was going to post that the UK wasn’t far behind the US, what a catastrophic understatement. We now have wankers with so much money and so little brains that they’ll pay for
Bach Flower Therapy
Bach Remedies Home Study for Owners
Bach Remedies for You and Your Horse Home Study Course 10 lessons, 2 books, 40 illustrations £195.
FFS, we really need a virus to wipe out the terminally hard-of-thinking.
lara is the ideal test subject, skabby can be second, then you can start on the chimps, if you have to
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@meistergedanken
why the hell are you not an automatic down voter?
what possible reason is ther to let the turd lara’s comments exist any longer than necessary?
Other than that, I agree 100%, please ban the useless bitch, Welmer…and skabby as well.
There’s no need to ban all women.
Can we not start posts by people with their average previous history? lara and skabby’s comments would be hidden from the offset – if you’re batshit enough to want to read their shite, fine it is there. It would also work of nom-de-plumes such as skabby’s sad-git-roy
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Larangitis and Skabies are both pretty talentless trolls and they still get a lot of replies. Imagine what would happen if a troll with some skills showed up. People who can’t ignore it need to set aside a few minutes each day to practice downvoting troll comments without reading them. I’m all for having dissenters but once someone establishes themself as an attention seeker who just wants to make people mad you’ve gotta learn to ignore them.
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@ AfOR,
Actually, I thought you were kidding about the “equine aromatherapy” bit until I saw the link. Wow. I am officially stunned.
@ theforest,
You’re correct that anybody can print out a degree and pass them out to whomever they wish. The web is full of organizations where anyone can go and get any degree they want. The only writing requirement is the ability to write out a check. However, any legitimate academic field has a certifying entity that makes the call about whether a particular program meets the generally-accepted standards of the profession. For example, you can send me $50 and I will gladly print you out a very nice diploma saying you are a graduate of the
“Lyn87 College of Engineering Sciences.”
(If you make it $75 you can be the class valedictorian). But since I’m not certified by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology to dispense engineering degrees, it won’t be worth even the postage you pay to mail me the check.
Feel free to send the check anyway – the sheepskin with look GREAT on your wall.
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@Gunn February 19, 2011 at 09:59
this may come as a horrible surprise to most americans, but the truth will out;
The BBC is full of shit.
If you want a ‘nice’ costume drama with whorific sex (tudors / rome / any number of tedious fucking drivel gynocentric shite drama series) – the BBC is your goto centre of excresence.
Any scientific story is hip deen if global warming / climate change / climate challanges (the latest version) chicken-little drivel. Check out “Watts up with that” (US), Bishop Hill (UK) or “Jo Nova” (Oz) to get some idea of reality, ‘cos aunty beeb ain’t interested.
the ONLY program worth watching (glorious juvenile joy for men) is ‘Top Gear’ – that is it.
What really boils my piss is that if you own a TV you are legally required to pay for the bbc (blatantly biased c..ts well, you get the idea)
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Sorry about the typos, it’s late and the alcohol du soir is rum
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Trolls with skill are the ones I actually bother to ban. If they are truly funny, though, sometimes I play along with them for a little while until it gets old.
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Holy crap, Paigeu. Those videos are hilarious.
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Lol, never mind the fact that I’m british, eh?. The spearhead has a largely american readerbase, and the purpose of words is to communicate, not to confuse with labels. Liberal has lost its meaning everywhere; the closest ‘modern’ definition is, as you say, ‘libertarian’ (and funnily enough, I would class myself as libertarian rather than conservative or socialist). Liberal as a definition in the UK is not clear – for example, Cameron talks about liberalism as being a core value of the UK, presumably meaning it in the sense of egalitarianism and tolerance for cultural diversity or even multiculturalism. This is not a ‘libertarian’ value, as it mandates a concept of equality which true libertarianism would never accept (i.e. Cameron’s definition is based around equality of outcomes rather than the idea of a level playing field).
The ‘liberal democrats’ are in priciple much closer to the SDP than the original liberal party of Lloyd George; so much so that on most matters they are farther to the left than the labour party. They are a party that has well and truly spit on their historic forebears, and which has gleefully adopted a position pretty close to naked socialism (which not even the labour party explicitly claims anymore).
British politics has moved to the centre ever since the time of new labour; modern conservatism is a centre party, though its encouraging that Cameron has a few policies that are more to the right. However, the coalition is hamstrung at every turn by their junior left wing allies who are on many subjects the tail wagging the dog.
The american concept of liberal, from what I can gather being only a brit, is not equivalent to socialism or social-democratic thinking. It doesn’t historically have quite the same level of marxist thought underpinning its philosophy, and from a european lens would probably be best considered as an unholy union of equality of outcome + big government + feminism + multiculturalism + leftist corporatism.
When I use the term liberal here, I use it based on this understanding, as I believe its the shared definition being used by most of the readers here. I suspect that very few americans care about the nuances of how the definitions differ between the US and Europe, and as an MRM blog rather than a political one, the Spearhead isn’t really the best place for such a discussion in any case.
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Welmer,
as a matter of interest; How many posts do you have ban on an average day?
Reading between the lines, I gather that you’ve been trimming back lara’s spoutings lately? (many thanks)
To my currently addled mind you cut a pretty good path, I hate skabby and lara, but they do serve as a lesson in wot-wimminz-thynk ™.
I prefer skabby, but only because she appears to waste more time typing longer articles per post, while my time to auto-down-vote is only slightly increased by the need to scroll further to the red button
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@Gendeau – I know the BBC is shit. Its why I stopped owning a TV a year ago, so I no longer pay them any money via the TV license fee.
Whats particularly risible is that its often held up as the n’est plus ultra of journalism, when in fact its a circle-jerk of leftwing journalists that are on a politically motivated endeavour to force all the paradigms and canards of the left down peoples’ throats at every opportunity.
In my view, it should be dismantled as its an institution that no longer serves the purpose for which it was created, but has instead become a parody of the things it was originally designed to combat.
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@Lyn87
I agree with you.
The idea then would be to look-up the “Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology ,” to try and understand:
1) What it takes to get a program accredited
2) How the standards for accreditation are determined,
3) Who actually makes those decisions,
4) How one even attains a position on the board in the first place.
Surely similar “accreditation” type boards exist for the Gender Studies disciplines, wouldn’t it be effective to target those groups as well? Engage them in academic discourse/discussion/debate in an attempt to dispel gender based ignorance, instead of the vast swaths of myopic (ultimately ) Blogger.com writers?
At least then one might be able to expect a certain degree of academic/logical discipline and consistency in the discussions, and make some real changes as to what gets taught at the university level, by making appeals to change the standards required of those courses…
..Or we could just go back and forth with the “Thinking Housewife” until our spirit breaks and we get too old to care…
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Not many. Not counting spam, maybe a half-dozen or so. I’ve only IP-banned a few people. Most of the comments I delete are drive-bys along the lines of “have fun jacking off in your mom’s basement,” but every now and then you get the outliers condoning “pedosexuality” or something along those lines.
However, I’ve been taking a lot of heat for comments from all sides lately. All I really care about is the opinion of supporters, though, so I’ll encourage those provoking them to cool it for a while.
These little comment crises arise fairly regularly, and I’ve pretty much decided it’s all or nothing. Trying to moderate them too much often turns out to be an exercise in futility, as in trying to please everyone you end up pissing more people off. I think there’s an Aesop’s Fable about that.
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Gunn, yes; sell it off.
I actually had a friend shoot the “they can’t be biased as they get criticism from the left and right” canard at me last weekend!
There are limits to friendship, and rank stupidity like that (and not looking beyond the beeb for other viewpoints, especially AGW) is pushing them hard.
The only consolation is that belief in AGW (man caused global catastrophy) is suffering a reality gap at the moment, people are noticing that weather is not doing what they said it would. Constant rewriting of what they said they said isn’t cutting it.
Similarly for the MRM, I believe that there are glimmers that the male population is starting to get pissed off by endless misandry, both major and minor.
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@ theforest,
Your comment got me curious enough to see if there was a national certifying board for women’s/gender studies degree programs. All I could find in the U.S. were boards attached to individual colleges. If I’m correct it says to me that there are no generally-agreed upon standards for the “discipline.” That alone is telling.
You make a great point though. Even if there were such a board its ratings would be worthless since the “discipline” is a joke to begin with. Maybe there needs to be a super-board that certifies the certifying boards. That way certified degrees in things like engineering and mathematics would be recognized as legitimate, while certified degrees in women’s studies and equine aromatherapy (I’m still chuckling about that, thanks AfOR), would be recognized as the pseudo-intellectual frauds that they are.
Of course then we’re stuck with the question of, “Who watches the watchers?,” and then “Who watches them?” In the end the free market will determine the true value of the degree. The perverse incentives that reward people who major in such crap will topple sooner or later.
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Welmer,
thanks for the answer, I’m glad that it isn’t an overwhelming problem.
I think that the uppy / downy thing is a majorly helpful gadget. I’d like to see it on a lot more websites (yes, monsieur le chateau, I am talking about you!)
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‘Christopher’ wrote:
If you believe the purpose of universities is to maximise short term profits, then sure. If you believe that universities (used to?) exist for advancing mankind’s knowledge, then no, not so much.
Once you start down this particular path, you should kiss goodbye to the technological lead your country enjoys and start learning chinese and indian languages – your future overlords will demand it.
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Chris,
over twenty years ago I studied CS (it has kept me employed continuously). I used to ‘fraternise’ with the sociologists as an aid to eqalising the male-female ratio. I always thought that their subject was a useless pile of horseshit, but in an exceptionally wise moment decided not to call them on it.
After all, I was studying what interested me, why shouldn’t they study what they wanted?
I was absolutely gobsmacked when a couple of the women complained (at the end of three years of doing little beyond a seminar every few weeks, as opposed to 25-30 hours of lectures and labs and then study),
“Why can’t I get a job?”
I couldn’t believe that they thought that essays on “medieval witches” would lead to a job. I ASSUMED they knew it was crap, but that it was the crap they were interested in – a wife’s degree, I think somebody above called it.
Some people are delusional, and they’re usually female and/or in politics.
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Well, it’s been helpful on the balance, but it isn’t without its problems. Roissy tried it for a while and got rid of it, and I can understand how it wouldn’t work for him. It’s better for The Spearhead because the regulars are more important to the site than they are to Citizen Renegade, but it does occasionally cause some issues.
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Re: CS.
A couple of weeks ago I met with a Microsoftie and a former MS Evangelist for lunch and advice on a startup I’m working on. I heard that the unemployment rate for coders was 3% in this market. That good coders were commanding as much as 200K (pre bonus/options/etc). That there is a war going on for talent across the codersphere particularly in the valley – which may not sound like it’s news to anyone, but it’s gotten worse than ever. The point is that there is a lot of demand for good talent. Outsourcing to India or wherever does correlate to a drop in quality. That’s just how it is. The best talent is here. So of course it makes perfect sense for a uni to drop CS.
All that said, I’ve long since learned not to rely on society to do the right thing or even a progressive thing. It’s best to fend for yourself. If you want to get into CS just be self-taught – that’s what the best do anyway.
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Universities getting more commercialized… that canary died so long ago that it’s buried in coal dust.
Most of advertizing today targets the psychologically weak and encourages impulsive decision-making. The longer you think, the less money you spend. I think colleges/universities have been not only embracing it but helping to set the foundation for it by not basing their utility on measurable placement results or contributions to the community. They are also great at forcing impossible loads of debt onto the trusting backs of teenagers. Many of their degrees are meaningless and they give them out to scarecrows who suddenly believe they have a brain because of it. Worst gauge of usefullness in the history of Western Civ.
But if it costs alot of money it must be worth it right? If that doesn’t work, just throw more tenure and status onto it! If you hype it, people will come… Is there a way we can get Kim Kardashian to speak at commencement?
It targets women and children and is entirely dependent on them to manipulate the men in their lives into paying for it. It is too easy to overstate its importance, especially when you start replacing classes that actually teach skills with those that kill common sense.
It is your site after all, Will, so I respect your decision. But it’s old. Really, really old. Now I’m sure Lara/Larry will find another way to pepper the comment sections with her/his trademark inanity, but we could at least make it more challenging for her/him/it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/19/florida.bull.rider/index.html?iref=NS1
Teenage girls should be bull riding. They naturally have the physique and reaction times necessary.
After all, evolution took care of those differences in the 1970′s.
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In this case I’ve already deferred to supporters.
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@ Gendeau,
I concur. I’m old enough to remember when the general consensus was that young women from good families who went to college were usually after an “MRS degree.” The thinking was that they didn’t even have to graduate – they just had to stay long enough to snag a young man who had a secure financial future, since a bachelor’s degree meant a lot even a couple of decades ago. Usually the couple waited until after the man graduated to tie the knot. That was the modern equivalent of a young man having to prove he could support a wife before a woman’s father would consent to the marriage. Her major was unimportant since she wasn’t going to work in that field anyway.
Now that “You’ve come a long way, baby,” women are often not simply in college to snag an upwardly-mobile husband, but because they expect to work for money at least part of their adult lives. Unfortunately many still major in fluffy things that interest them like their mothers did rather than rigorous things that generate earning potential like their fathers had to do.
So the job market is flooded with people (disproportionately female) with useless degrees. The only way so many of them can be compensated like breadwinners is through the coercive power of the state. So they gravitate toward things like elementary teaching (seriously – any normal 16-year-old can teach young kids as much as they learn from a certified teacher in grammar school), and other things that allow them to work jobs with little competition at taxpayer expense.
Let me give a (small) plug for sociology majors, though. Speaking as a military guy, having a few sociologists on the payroll can be immensely helpful in planning strategies and tactics for Counter Insurgency (COIN). Realistically speaking they can help us understand how to fight enemies that blend into the population. We don’t need very many, but it’s not complete B.S.
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Hi Paigeu,
nope, I’m not American; I’m English working in Europe-Europe (England not being truly in Europe!) at the moment. I’ve never worked in the States, but have always liked the idea, it just never happened. I like the wide open spaces of America, the UK is over-populated and too small!
I’m not a script monkey (no offense meant to web-tech enthusiasts), I’m working in embedded code. I think that may be helpful at the moment as the modern graduates are taught languages and in environments that don’t really work when you’re down in small devices (IMHO).
However! modern day small devices are way beyond the PDP-11 (64KB main-memory) that I started on professionally. How long it matters that you’re programming a chip instead of a server, I’m not sure. Get a fast enough processor and even Java can seem responsive (sorry, professional rant),
I think I’m in a market with a finite lifespan, working in a continent about to be overtaken by low wages and huge numbers available in China and India. Quality is, in part, a numbers game. China and India have the numbers…and low wages (for now).
(India will be interesting to watch as I’ve heard it claimed by Indians that India’s common language with the west means that they can continue to be more expensive than the Chinese. We used to hear that in the UK as well, 20-30 years ago. It didn’t work out for steel / ships / manufacturing etc).
The US and UK seem to be determined to cut their own throats by abandoning ‘hard’ subjects (STEM, I believe you call them). The UK has traditionally looked down on engineering as second class, but then I’d rather be second class than an accountant, or some such (apologies to those affected). Things are getting worse with dumbed down education, worthless certificates in soft subjects – sound familiar? We can now add hugely increased debt at the end of three years of studying equine aromatherapy (I can’t get beyond that existing (in the UK!)).
I couldn’t advise you on what you should do as a profession, BUT I can’t see it ever being unhelpful to have a technology oriented mind. I studied what interested me, I was lucky that it was viable economically (so far). I don’t blame people for studying an ‘ology’, they should just be told ahead of time that it may well have no commercial value – as long as they are spending their money, they are welcome to spend it on what they want.
I keep meaning to improve my knowledge of Python / Ruby / PHP (basically script-monkey stuff) as they are getting pretty powerful and useable to dabble in webby stuff (not sure about making a living off of them, but for me they aren’t a big investment). If you know a few computer languages and you stop thinking in a language, you design a solution and apply it on a specific language (kinda-sorta).
As someone above said, web based training might well be a cost effective way forward. My problem is not having the killer idea of what to write, your milage may vary
best of luck
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I looked back at the essay that I just wrote and had a flashback to school where my nightmares were 4 small pages about ‘what I did over the summer holidays’, or 120 word french stories; malheureusement, a ce moment la = 5 words + 2 bonus points, every story had those words in (unfortunately, at that moment).
Is it the alcohol, or just that these days I get to write about things that I think matter (even if it’s just to me)?
I really think that the web has been so important in denying the femocracy total control over what is said and heard. It takes so little effort to look for other points of view nowadays, you just need to avoid the tinfoil-hatters, but they’re usually feminists anyway.
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Lyn87,
I’m glad you found a use for a few of them (they were pretty in uni, especially to male dominated subject students like me).
Biology always seemed the socially acceptable science for females, with a much healthier gender balance.
I don’t believe in requiring a balance, but I prefer when one comes about (purely by merit).
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Wow, so… just a heads up, the phrase “University Kills Computer Science Major” also has an alternative meaning that was not intended.
As for the substance of the article, this could just be a good business decision for the university. Women are over-represented on college campuses, and the trend is towards more women and fewer men, thanks to sexist scholarships offered to women but not men, and lower academic requirements for incoming women. Recognizing this trend, the business-savvy university would drop predominantly-male courses (like the sciences, math, etc) in favor of predominantly-female courses (like women’s studies, English, etc). It sucks for us men, but it’s just a business decision.
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UNM (University of New Mexico, known as “University Near Mom”) is also currently facing budget cuts. They previously spent money to host “America’s Next Top Model” tryouts. Not the smartest use of funding if you ask me and not a ringing endorsement of American higher education. This should show the manginas at UNM where they stand.
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/spits
Sick. Science and Technology sacrified to the altar of pagan socialism and leftist bullshit.
Let’s see how that womyn’s college does on the long run, shall we?
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USA is becoming a femmy socially re-engineering managerial paradise for 3rd raters. On low wages.
Useful stuff like computer sciences is being sent offshore to places like India. In low wages.
Its simple American economics. Whose gonna do the chores in america. Easy. Import mexicans to service the Americunts.
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Women’s studies graduates – your future legislators, academics, law enforcers, lobbyists, mainstream media representatives, social workers etc.
Take note that they don’t even need to graduate with a degree in women’s studies. All they need to do is take the introduction module to women’s studies (studying cross-faculty discipline modules a mandatory requirement in many universities), and voila, the man-hating seed takes root in their impressionable minds.
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I have said it many times before.
If universities want to hand out bullshit college degrees in wimminz studeeeeees, etc. like so much toilet paper then industry is just going to look somewhere else for it’s talent.
Why do you think vocational type schools are on the rise?
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American universities fast becoming modern day finishing schools.
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It’s a good thing that in my country (Sudan) there’s no such thing as women’s studies. University students have either fathers in the Gulf countries or here at home working at high ranking government jobs. No father would waste money on a major that wouldn’t guarantee a job after uni, given the high unemployment rate. Thus the students that excel in high school would go for two professional majors: medical sciences and engineering. Social sciences are unheard of.
Plus, I downloaded a pdf on women’s studies major, and my jaw dropped. This crap is nothing but reading and analyzing a few misandric books that are based on nothing but theories of this and that.
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You guys are right about it being indoctrination centers pumping out creditionals and not education. I went because I have a genuine interest in learning. The only classes I have learned anything from are the ones I have failed, mainly the phys class I was kicked out of and a few math classes I have failed before changing my major from phys/math to philosophy. Not all philosophy classes are bad, and I think some language classes and maybe logistics and other STEM are good. The problem is that the ways they even teach these classes is based on a feminine learning style. It is all rote memorization.
I know at my university that they taught physics with demonstrations in the 60s. One demonstration would be to scratch a piece of glass and put it under water in a fish tank and then take scissors and cut it in half to demonstrate pressure. Or putting a pendulum in the middle of the room, hanging from the ceiling, and having students stand agains the wall and place the weight at the end of their nose and drop it to see how its arc will decay and won’t hit them in the face. My phys prof was also the dept head and literally kicked me out of class, along with one girl and 3 other guys. He was a asshole from swedenf and I knew a few guys who took the honors class(for phys majors) the year before he taught it and they all failed but still passed the class because of grading on a curve. Those guys are now physicists. I took the lower level class, after being the last one kicked out and having the asshole sit there and tell me to switch to the lower level only to find out that instead of simply having 5 hrs of F I would end up with 9 if I enrolled in the lower class that late into the semester. One guy in that class, who set the curve, was literally autistic while the others had taken physics before, I hadn’t ever had the option durig my education. The lower level phys class, non phys majors, that I retook was mostly online. WTF?
It has really amazed me just how my philosophy classes are infested with feminism and even more just how corrupt the university is and how almost all staff are women and how these women will give you incorrect information or just not help you if you are male but they coach and give special assistance to the females. There have been a dozen different times that female desk clerks have told me incorrect info and their fucking job is to give out info. It is either blatant descrimination or proof of female idiocy.
I only have a few courses left so I will finish, no point running the race only not to cross the finish line. I need language and have been getting it out of the way at a community college. I literally looked around a few times and wondered if I was in kindergarden. The female teacher had us playing with toys and naming the names and passing around a ball and calling out our assigned words. I didn’t learn shit in the last class. I would have done better with a immersion program or just reading the dictionary. Every time the ball would be passed someone would make joke or there is how the teacher would spend the first 15 minutes, along with other class time, talking about her husband and other problems. I found it more interesting how she talked about her second job at my university(this was actually at a community college cause I thought it might be easier and I didn’t sign up in time for the uni class) which was some sort of govment job that dealt with some type of entitlement program and she said they basically goofed off and didn’t do much of anything. Then there are all the times I have seen female teachers talk shit about men with the girls in the class.
I got bumped up to honors American lit cause I can actually type a good essay if I want(don’t let my internet comments fool you, it is the internetz after all) and I was one of three guys in the class. I remember her TA, a young guy, coming in class one day to pick up some sort of paper work. She then spent the next 10 minutes talking to the girls about how cute he was and how he looked gay but couldn’t be cause he has a fiance and so on. He then walked back in to get something signed and they froze. He had been outside litening to the whole conversation. This was before I was even lurking on MRM sites and before I knew the word misandry. I remember the look on the guys face sitting next to me, we didn’t say a word just shared WTF type looks.
I saw this type of shit in HS and middle school but wasn’t thinking I would see it in college. I remember in my cultural anthro class learning about ethnocentrism and cultures where boys go through riuals that have their penises sliced in half and then when the female teacher got to FGM she did a entire lecture on how evil it was and so on. One guy actully stood up and asked about circumcision and was shouted down by her and she got the girls in a class of about 150 to laugh him quiet. I have seen this shit so many damn times. Then there are the girls who dress like skanks to get boys attention in class. I don’t know how many times I was taking a BS exam and heard some shuffling infront of me and looked up to see what was going on and saw some girls thong and half her ass hanging out and my concenration gos bye bye.
The reason boys are failing is because of female nature and their misandric tendencies. It isn’t just making guys take five or six or seven years to get a degree by partying too much or getting kicked out or dropping out or some mixture of both. It is literally killing them. With the exception of the last two-three years where I basically either took some time off or took one class here and one class there or got the big orange screw and couldn’t get the classes I need after they cut the philosophy dept in half, and I haven’t immersed myself in a new group of friends because each group of friends disbanded after someone died, usually from suicide and one reason I didn’t do this was because I got depressed after my best bud brad killed himself. Well, there hasn’t been a single year that I haven’t known of two or three guys offing themselves. Then a few overdoses and a car crash or two. This is just me and they weren’t all my friends. There was one dude from my freshman dorm floor who hung himself and I didn’t even know his name. Women run the campus and they hate the feminized men they create.
But here is the thing. What are guys supposed to do? I went to my granmas old house and was helping clean it out today. I went out to buy some more boxes and I originally went to the walmart across from the grocery store I used to cut meat at. This store had the highest profit level cause of the socio economic status of the surrounding area. We sold more steaks than any other store in the district which encompasses about a 60 mile radius. And damn the girls were hot, there must have been something in the water.
Here is the thing. The walmart wasn’t there anymore. It had shut down. WTF? Who ever heard of a walmart shutting down? I guess it could have moved to a more desirable location but it was a super center and I don’t know where they would put it cause going further out you just end up in the boonies after about 15 minutes. This is a area that was middle class to upper middle class. I think this recession is just starting to hit hard in many areas. I see all sorts of stores closed and if wally world is shutting down some locations that has got to be fucked up. I am guessing they realized there weren’t enough people to buy their stuff and they can’t compete with the grocery store across the street and down the street that lowered its prices to compete aganst walmart. If even walmarts are closing and small businesses are fucked then where do guys get work?
A guy from HS I knew got intouch with me on facebook awhile back and he is a single father, gf turned into a meth head, and he is a electrician by trade and lost a leg in a motorcycle accident. He went for a job interview at one of the local government labs and he was one of hundreds of guys looking to fill something like a dozen slots. He said the only reason he got the job was because he did’t have a leg. Now, there are some places like some factories but still, what are guys supposed to do? One of the interesting thing, I think, is the closed drug economies, esp pot. So many people grow, sell, and buy and they do it among friends so the money just changes the same sets of hands over and over again.
The cities aren’t too bad in a lot of ways but if you go into the counties and rural areas the unemployment rate is upwards of 20-30%.
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I think it useful not to fail to see the woods for the trees here.
The University of Cincinatti, a ‘redbrick’, graduates five thousand every year in no less than over three hundred subjects. Whereas the loss of computer science is obviously to be regretted, it is not as if women’s studies is a replacement. There are plenty of other subjects to be read at the U of C. and there are plenty of other american universities.
I was wondering what the pecking order of ‘soft’ degrees is. Is it:
1. Eng Lit
2. Communications
3. Media Studies
4. Women’s Studies
?
If so, those matriculating in Women’s Studies are hardly like to be the intellectual cream, are they?
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Rebel: “Guys, believe me when I say that there is ALWAYS a workaround: the more obstacles are placed our way, the better. It will force us to become more creative. We may even learn how to work around the government altogether.”
This is the key to beating feminism. Work around feminists and find other ways to build a life. Just keep looking until you find it. Even if you have no friends; even if your parents are bewildered; even if all the women you know hate you; even if you’re broke; even if no one understands you – just find a way to build a life where you don’t have to deal with feminists and feminism. Don’t confront them directly because you’ll lose every time.
In the end, you’ll be much happier and well balanced. Never give in. Never become a mangina. Those fucking imbeciles are awful.
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I think you guys need to lighten up on Lara. Her (his, its) comment was obviously sarcastic, was meant to be funny. It made me laugh almost as loudly as “equine aromatherapy.”
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If any college kills Fisheries and Wildlife departments for Women’s Studies, I shall march upon them at the vanguard of an army of moose, bobcats, and wolverines.
In all seriousness, this does raise a disturbing precedent.
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Penne,
I’m going to disagree with you here. Environmentalism is a religion of the left. Conservationism is good, though, but most conservationists tend toward being politically conservative. Caring for the environment is not inherently political – whether one looks to government mandates or market incentives to produce the best result IS a reflection of one’s political philosophy, though.
As for private monopolies, those can only persist when mandated by the state: a distinctly left-wing tendency. And the pursuit of private profit is the fuel that drives the engine of free enterprise: without which we’d all be living as slaves or serfs.
You should read some of the works of Adam Smith, Friedrich Hayek, and Milton Friedman.
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Like the contemptible system of “publik skoolz” which pass for babysitting and rudimentary “learning” centers for children; the colleges and universities have long since lost any legitimate claim on scholarship and serious research; still less for preparing intelligent and hard-working young men for productive and honest professional and management careers! They also have declared war on the male sex in every significant way!
Nonwhite identity, feminist, apocalyptic “green” homosexual advocacy, and other such self-pitying ‘empowering’, asinine drivel is all that that modern facilities of these centers for”hire edukashun” CAN offer their users, either students or “professors”! The only value remaining to so-called universities like Harvard, Yale, and Berkeley is for intergenerational connnections facilitated among the semi-criminal parasitic Wall St/Corporate/ political-legal elites by attendence at such glamorized playpens! If the ideas characterising the likes of those held by e.g. Bill and Hillary Clinton, Tim Geithner, Alan Greenspan, Henry Paulsen, Paul Krugman, the Kennedy and Rockefeller spawn, et al. are any indication, their “schooling’ could be characterised as the brainwashing of the elite policymakers children into the sewers of moral relativism, socialism–of various types– inflationism and money-crank advocacy, internationalist global intervention and ‘perpetual war for perpetual peace, for purpose of managed decline into barbarism and tyranny of an egalitarian New World Order!
Cui Bono??
Welfare for utterly useless people, with the important point to add that the money disbursements to the egalitarian beneficiaries here, on both the State and Federal level are dozens, if not hundreds ,of times greater!
Those programs and curricula are the result of the self-evident fact that there is NOTHING such people can offer that any sane person, even female, could ever use or even want, in a free market, so they DEPEND upon government–and tax-exempt corporate foundations–for their billion$ in revenue for so-called “education”.
In a sound economy and society, they would all be standing on street corners , with little tin cups where they belong; when they weren’t doing time on the county farm or local jail for petty crimes and street-level misdemeanors!
The modern school,or college, is terrified of MALE gender consciousness, appalled by WHITE racial awareness, and loathes traditional religious/gender/ family customs and values, and opposes ALL genuine education, real research, or actual scholarship the way that cockroaches fear a can of insecticide…and for the same reasons!! They would no more fund areas of interest to real men or defund the politically correct slop cited above than they would cut off their b ..
Real men–when they return– would put an end to them and their shenanigans, before the next mornings sunrise, and would probably call for a rigorous–VERY RIGOROUS–accounting of how the billion$ that those endowments and foundations were entrusted to manage were spent??? I am not a public prosecutor, but I strongly suspect that words like “fraud”, “embezzlement”, and illegal fundraising and accounting practices” would be heard widely and often before this was over!
PEACE AND FREEDOM
David K. Meller
PS- It is worth considering, that no society of REAL men, educated in and committed to a society dedicated to a future of human QUALITY, not “equality”, would ever tolerate anything like this debased and criminal system! The survival imperative for the NWO to emasculation and paralysis of men, both sexually and intellectually, becomes evident here! DKM
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I can tell you why this is happening and what to do about it.
Its happening because the career front is changing. In the US if you want a job, major in something soft like “diversity studies”. You will get hired to blog about “issues”.
The tech jobs are going to go to those on H1B visas.
To blog about “issues” doesn’t take a University degree, but the way the job market is set up, you won’t get hired to blog UNLESS you have a University degree.
I know someone who was hired to blog about issues and events in his city and he gets paid pretty for it. He has a degree in “political science” and I can assure you that nobody needs a polisci degree to blog about issues and events in their hometown but yet – there it is.
If I were a young man today I would major in “diversity” or womens’ studies. You will get a job wherein you can blog from home and GET PAID for it.
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Sweet, less competition for those of us who put in the hard work to get computer science degrees.
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To be fair, every college had to make budget cuts. However, the dean of CEAS isn’t the brightest, and came up with this ridiculous scheme to meet his budget requirements.
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Looks like the commies are so unpopular they have to pay people to spout their shit for them with OUR money no doubt.
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Somebody up top said ‘computer software people are “bad” folks.’ [Uncle Elmer]
I can second that strongly.
Horrible men. The Peter Principle thing, on the scale of society itself (rather than one building), in action. High skill-set types(sometimes) but childish spiteful underling male dispositions by nature. Very unscrupulously competitive in a secretive kind a way.
That whole culture itself. It is all deception and exploitation(of consumers), often lacking in imagination.
The word team is used all the time for groups of them as in “design team” or “development team” but it certainly does not apply.
Engineer types in general –from the previous generation/cultural epoch –might be like that too: Mediocre males who have ascended up (`cause of specialized skill sets*) to positions that ultimately runty under sibling males don’t know how to handle.
(*The problem with specialization is that even a woman can learn one and thus escape femininity as she ascends higher than certain males from other specialties/focuses.)
Pity the child –called man– for he knows not what he does…
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@Keyster
Just an FYI …
Progammer != Computer Scientist
While I agree there are a LOT of programmers who never stepped foot in a classroom, programming is a subset of Computer Science.
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These are the kinds of studies that pander to the interests of college students who vote overwhelmingly Democrat Party and elect the likes of Obama.
These classes are how Liberal Democrat Socialists pay them for voting in Barbara Boxers and Obamas. Paid by other taxpayer’s monies – like yours.
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Penne wrote:
Lol you’re kidding right? You’re really invoking the whole religion around environmentalism as being a good thing?
If by environmentalism you in fact mean stewardship of our countryside, you’ll find that historically this has been the domain of the right, not the left. The left couldn’t give a shit about the environment, its basically a means to an end (i.e. bigger, more intrusive government) for them.
What? Monopolies are right wing? Of course, you’ll hide behind the label ‘private’ as if somehow public monopolies (which are typically left wing) are in fact no better, often being used to entrench leftist governments (much like obamacare is in reality a trojan horse for wider scale socialism).
As for profit incentives, these reflect human nature – everyone is motivated by something, and in a capitalist world view the goal of profit making enterprises (i.e. private companies) is typically to provide the best returns for owners. If anything, its the distortion of what companies are supposed to be by big government patrons that have created much of the mess we see today in the corporate world.
Personally, I’d far rather invest money into a company that spelt out its objectives clearly, was dedicated to making as much profit as it could, and which was not subject to interference by the state (via crap like employment quotes, ridiculous red tape/government regulations aimed at creating make-work for public sector ‘employees’ and so forth).
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Annnnnnnd that’s why I skipped college, joined the military and learned a trade.
That and academia is a drag, if I’m not shooting crap and blowing stuff up, I don’t want any part of it.
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Meh… Obviously this university was already dead inside. At least now kids who are looking for a serious degree won’t waste their parents hard earned dough on a U. that amounts to little more than a finishing school for girls.
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You know, I really ought to forward this story to the folks over at GeekFeminism for amusement. They ought to be outraged at this! I mean, there must have been a woman or two in that CS department. This decision clearly reduces the number of women in the software trades. It also helps further the ‘pay gap’, since those few women who would have made it through that CS department easily out-earn the *-studies graduates. This decision hurts women! (And men too, but that’s already been well documented)
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It is a little politics and a lot of economics. Student money drives it. If many students want womens studies and few computer science, the college adjusts. Money drives the arts too. Representational art is hard, few succeed, few pay to try. In the ‘everyone is an artist and everything is art’ school, all succeed, more pay to try. Thus fewer college opportunities to be what would have been recognized as an artist for most of the past few hundred years.
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Let’s be fair now SingleDad, Berkley deserves some credit for SV as well (as much as it pains me on some levels to say that).
For example, the original SUN (Stanford University Network board) was designed to run Berkley Unix Distributions. Given the number of companies created to commercialize the SUN (Sun, Apollo, etc) that part of the SV history had a big Berkley influence.
Wasn’t PARC tied to Berkley as much as Sanford as well?
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I am a graduate of this program and feel betrayed. Computer Science is one of the most popular and marketable majors at an University. This makes no sense.
We also need to mention that department has brought in loads of grant money to the University and the professors mostly all have published and often.
I am more than aware of the UCs poltical bias. UC is a mini-socialist country. Most of the employees in offices are moody and have little incentive to produce. Some of the more safe cushy jobs I have ever seen. You pay and loan loads of good money to be lead around and provided little information to get things done. There is no sense of student satisfaction because they have no incentive to anything useful.
Now the Unviersity decides to eliminate one of the more universal and demanded studies in the world. Maybe they need to take one of their own logic courses.
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Not sure if anyone has touched on this yet, but surely it isnt coincidence that Cincinnati is cutting the one science major that sees the fewest female graduates.
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