By Frost
Every straight man alive in the 21st century needs to learn Game. This post will teach you all the Game you need to derive 80% of the potential benefits. Where you go from there is up to you.
First of all: What is Game?
Let’s start with what it’s not.
- Game is not shiny pedants and cheesy pickup lines
- Game is not solely useful for finding one-night stands in clubs
- Game is not being an asshole, lying to girls, acting “fake”
- Game is not irrelevant to men in long term relationships
Game is actually incredibly simple. It’s just the study of how your behaviour affects women. Are you interested in women? Yes? Than you’re interested in Game. It doesn’t matter if you want to rack up notches, or keep your wife of 15 years sweet, fit and sexually available – learn game, and your life will get a whole lot easier.
I’m going to break down the study of Game into a three-step program that you can easily finish in a single week. If you’re anything less than perfectly satisfied with your sex life right now, this is my challenge to you: Ditch class, call in sick to work and give away your XBOX. I guarantee there is nothing else you can do that will have anywhere near as high of a return on your long-term happiness and success in life.
Step 1: Re-learn the basics of human psychology
Before you can attract women, you must understand them. Unfortunately, you have been taught many lies about the subtleties of the human mind, one of which is that men just can’t understand women. While this claim is widespread in our culture, the reality is that women are not at all hard to understand, for a man who has the proper tools.
Our first tool, and first homework assignment, is the original classic popular text of Evolutionary Psychology: Richard Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene.
This book will show you the true nature and origins of human thought, and hopefully erase decades of programming (more often implicit than stated) that human behaviour is environmentally determined and infinitely malleable.
Following Dawkins’ classic, familiarize yourself with a few other texts on what is really the only field of psychology worth studying today. Robert Wright’s The Moral Animal, David Buss’s Evolutionary Psychology Matt Ridley’s The Red Queen, and Barkow, Tooby and Cosmides’ The Adapted Mind. Read at a good pace, skim a few pages if you need to, and try to finish that list in two days. (You might want to brew a pot of coffee.)
On day 3, move on to the most relevant sub-field of Ev Psych: Applications to sex and relationships. Read these two books: Sperm Wars by Robin Baker and The Evolution of Desire by David Buss.
At this point, hopefully you’ll have figured out that most of the conventional wisdom on sex and dating is bullshit. In order to cement your newfound distrust of conventional wisdom, pick up a copy of Stephen Pinker’s excellent The Blank Slate on day four and read that along with E.O. Wilson’s canonical Sociobiology. Finish the evening with a glass of wine and Robert Green’s The Art of Seduction, which is not an Ev Psych text but a fun and useful read nonetheless.
Step 2: Learn the Skills
So now you’ve got a solid understanding of the evolutionary origins of human behaviour. This will come in handy in almost every aspect of your life. For now though, we’ll just apply it to women. We’re going to move on to some actual seduction material.
On Day 5, start with the Fast Seduction Player Guide and The Mystery Method. Also grab a copy of The Game for some history.
There are literally millions of pages of forum posts and shitty e-books out there filled with pickup lines, routines, tactics, scams, cons, gambits, flim-flams, strategems and bamboozles. Most of them are worthless. Some are a mixed bag. A small slice, such as those listed above, are well worth reading.
But the ROI to learning more diminishes rapidly. Instead of getting bogged down in endless over-analyzing, read the above sources, pick up a copy of Bang for something written in the 21st century, and then stop reading and go live your life. We’ve got two days left and no more time for books.
Step 3: Apply the Skills
Finished with the reading lists? OK. Hold on to your dick, because now you’re actually going to have to put down the books and do something.
Exactly what that “something” is will depend on your goals, but here are a few examples.
If you’re a 21-year old virgin:
- Start friendly conversations with five different girls
- Create an online dating profile and send out ten emails
- Ask that female “friend” who you’re secretly in love with if she wants to go out on a date
If you’re forty, and haven’t banged your wife in a month:
- Do something uncharacteristically assertive today. Don’t apologize.
- Tell your wife she looks hot
- Reach over at bedtime and touch her puss. (I mean really, married guys, how hard is this?)
If you’re a “cool guy” who “doesn’t need game to get laid:”
- Go to a crowded bar, find the hottest girl there, and have sex with her.
- Have a threesome
- Find an amazing girl, fall hard for her, and teach her to be happy with your love without a need for monogamy
(Not such a tough guy anymore, are ya?)
The common theme among each of these exercises is that they push your comfort zone. They ask you to do things you haven’t done before, because you’re afraid to. It doesn’t matter how awesome or pathetic you are as a seducer, and as a man. Whatever level you’re at, Game will help you reach the next one.
So that’s the challenge. One week. If you’re up to it, keep me updated in the comments.
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Excellent list of links to back up your narrative.
People who struggle with the concept of “game” would do well to read all of the links Frost has provided here. And take each of those sources as just a piece of the puzzle, s o that you may perhaps start to see the big picture.
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Day 20: Put a bag of frozen peas on your testicles to heal after you broke up with her.
Day 40: Start wondering why you even bother when only 1 out of 5 girls is more fun than porn & wanking.
Day 60: After the condom breaks, pray to God that skank was on the pill.
I think men should learn Game just so they’re better prepared for intergender relations. But the XBox 360 might be a better choice for your evenings.
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Decent primer. When it comes to learning though, you really don’t need to study a bunch of material. Learn what you think is necessary, but keep it minimal. Then take that material and practice it in front of the mirror, recite it in the car, and most importantly, talk to women. Only when you’re finding yourself stuck should you go online or read about Game in books or whatnot. Some recommend a 2:1 ratio or even a 5:1 ratio of studying to practicing, but IMO it should be almost all practical application with only the minimum amount of book learning possible. Some guys do it all wrong and cram as much information into their heads as possible and barely ever approach. You can’t do it like that. For starters you’re limiting your actual experience. Second of all, having all that info is going to cause you to lock up trying to decide what to do, or be so in your head that things won’t flow naturally.
Like my old martial arts instructor used to say, the man who only knows 5 techniques but can use them effectively 100% of the time will almost always be better than someone with 100s of techniques, but can’t use them half the time.
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A solid 30 day program for learning game is Rules of the Game by Neil Strauss. It’s basically a rehash of the Stylelife Challenge that Strauss created over at the Stylelife Academy, put into print form. It’s still online if you care to find it, but the book is cheap and small enough you can take it with you just about anywhere.
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This is nonsense and when I get back from the pub (unless I have scored) I will, if sober, explain why.
In the meanwhile as a taster, bear in mind that Game is not Game Theory. I’ll explain that too.
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@Herbal Essence
No amount of potentially negative repercussions from hedonistic sexual liaisons will outweigh the negativity of getting married. The legal pussy is just not worth signing away your entire life for.
For those men who can be celibate, carry on and good job. More power to you. I heard it gets easier with age. That is the surest method to avoid STDs and ‘oops’ pregnancies.
For those who want to get laid – do it economically, efficiently, ruthlessly and unapologetically. That is where game comes in handy. If you want a rough outline of the basic concepts just listen to some audio clips of Tom Leykis’ radio show.
The rabbit hole will go very deep, especially for you guys out there who have been raised to ‘respect women always’. Treat women like crap (and no you indignant feminist pansies, that does not mean hating or beating women), stop being a nice guy, and you’re halfway there.
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My training was from Tom Lykis. I attended his University for 10 years every work day for an hour.
Alot of the dating advise I give is stuff I heard from Tom and worked for me.
Tom Lykis is a god, so, of course, as soon as he was syndicated in NY, feminist capital of the US, he was taken off the air.
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Go to a crowded bar, find the hottest girl there
and fall flat on your face.
While the counterintuitive aspects of game prove to be productive in dealing with women, a lot of game talk is laughable braggadocio.
“The buy who brags the most about women never got any futher than the back doorstep with his own Momma” – old shop teacher
All of you, listen up. You want to meet chicks by the truckload? Learn ballroom and partner dancing.
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get me some of dat manhood 1 01 . com
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R.Don Steele is the original master, copied relentlessly by game posers but never given his due.
“How to Date Young Women for Men Over 35, Volumes I and II”
steelballs.com
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It’s a little disappointing that so many men resist Game in the manosphere. The way I see it, Game is the yin to MRA’s yang– together they take pussy off the pedestal and give men the tools to navigate life an a safe and effective manner. Why would anyone be against that?
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Game gets played both ways. Sometimes it backfires when you encounter a bigger predator.
If everybody plays game, then the same tricks will be used many times by many…less effective. And women can learn, too.
Best play fair. Upfront. And stay awake.
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Paigeu, that is a rather meaningless statement. Game for men is about how to get the most sex for the least amount of resources. Game for women would be precisely the opposite: how to maximize the price of sex. Women already know this. Sex is naturally a female resource and on top of that feminism is all about maximizing the cost and risks of sex. What more can women possibly want?
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I wasn’t crapping on your essay Frost, I know you were jesting a bit with that.
Thanks to being an accomplished dancer, I have literally walked into bars and “picked out the hottest chick”. No, I didn’t bone em five minutes later then toss em aside, but was immediately touching and talking with them, as well as being observed by other females who would nearly line up to dance or even ask me to dance. I would also add a few heiffers to my performance to let all the ladies know that I was a true gentleman and would make them look like a star.
A hot chick at work ignored me (and all the other nerds) until she saw me cutting the rug. After that it was “Hi Elmer!”. Simple reason : she saw me in action and knows that “Elmer knows how to act in front of anyone who might see us together”
I knew how to act the part. How you appear to their hen-house is of extreme importance to women. Almost more than shoes. And that’s the reason you won’t make any pudway confronting chicks in bars when they are in the company of their friends.
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Go to a bar, have sex with a an easy bar-slut, and hope she does not charge you with rape later.
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I don’t deny the efficacy of Game. Three hours ago I got a cute barista to blush and act coy with a little bit of cocky & funny. I direct as many male friends as I can to strong Game related websites.
But I also think men need to take a deep breath and assess whether the toxicity of women is even worth a little bit of fish taco. For me, it’s not. Of course, I’d apply that to marriage too.
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Arpagus-
Women don’t understand why men don’t respect them. Game explains it. Being totally driven by hypergamy is in no way a virtue.
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Canada. A girl knowingly makes a false rape claim and panics an entire community. She will not be charged or punished in any way. She even gets to keep her name from becoming public.
A green light.
I want to see this on the MAIN PAGE Welmer.
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http://www.emcorleans.ca/20110210/news/Sex+attack+hoax+won%27t+lead+to+charges+for+teenaged+claimant
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@all the guys being cynical to this post: either you’re too hurt, or too old, to realise just how much young guys need the advice.
As a guy in his mid-thirties, I can take the ‘game guys’ and the ‘mgtow’ crowd in my stride; I have one foot planted firmly in both places. 20 years ago? the mgtow crowd would have been losers. 20 years from now? the game guys would be idiots that didn’t realise the true meaning of life.
For a bunch of people that constanly state that women are solipsistic, I find it curious that we all want to see life through our own prisms.
Grow the fuck up, and see articles like this as being useful for our younger brethren.
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Yeah, that’s pretty much where I am, too. I think guys our age have a useful role as a bridge — maybe that’s part of what our generation can accomplish. I’d like to publish a little more of the stuff aimed at younger guys, actually. In many ways they need it more.
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(I didn’t score) As I said it is rubbish. To begin with Game Theory. Human Life is a game and every game has a Nash Equilibrium. Game is a derivative of it.
To begin with, do you REALLY want to sleep with every woman (I don’t) and the Don Giovanni’s of this world are cursed with a craving they cannot overcome. Do you really want to be (how could you) someone you are not.
Further if every woman is a slutty as one sometimes reads on this site, how come it is so hard to find a woman to sleep with?
Do you really think that human beings do not pick up on signals?
There is more to women than just screwing; such as finding one you really are turned on by.
Sex is alright but frankly I prefer the real thing!
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So today I went into the bank.
‘so what are you doing this weekend?’ this teller a 6 asked me.
‘ I don’t know ‘ I replied’ thats what you asked me last friday – actually I went to a concert on sunday at the ……………………….’
‘the classical one?’
‘yes that’s right’.
‘So what are you planning for Valentine’s day?’
‘Nothing I am afraid, but if you receive a card you’ll know who it is from’
‘Valentines day is so commercialised’ she replied.
Verbatim transcript from the frontline (and I am twice her age). They can’t resist me. Is this game or just my irresistable charm and good looks (and bank balance)?
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@Opus: “They can’t resist me. Is this game or just my irresistable charm and good looks (and bank balance)?’
A: Yes
This statement : “To begin with, do you REALLY want to sleep with every woman (I don’t) and the Don Giovanni’s of this world are cursed with a craving they cannot overcome. Do you really want to be (how could you) someone you are not.”
suggests to me that you have no idea regarding Game or what it is about. Learning Game does not require a man to become someone he is not anymore than learning how to write limits one to writing Letters to the Editor of Penthouse. While Game can help one’s notch count, it certainly not limited to that and I believe that it has even more value in maintaining sexual interest within a marriage or LTR, if that is the situation one finds himself in.
“Further if every woman is a slutty as one sometimes reads on this site, how come it is so hard to find a woman to sleep with?”
Because even sluts hate, Hate, HATE what they perceive to be lesser males. Having Game can help how a man is perceived, not just by sluts, but pretty much all women. I think many men practice Game for awhile, but eventually it becomes natural, and when it does, is it still Game, or is it a new-found confidence and way of moving through the world? It has many uses beyond merely getting laid. Some say that, if more men practice game, it will soon become ineffective on women. To them I would ask- have you stopped noticing women with prominant, partially exposed breasts who wear short skirts and high-heels, or has that effect worn off?
To a young man who might be undecited about learning Game- I would say that Game might help put him within the erotic view of a woman he likes, but to whom he is invisible. Or just get him lots and lots of P-tang (and no, not just bar skanks).
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you forgot 2 VERY influencial books (ok make it three!)
Modeone: let the women know what you’re reallly thinkin by Alan roger currie
Pimp story of my lice by Iceberg slim
Black player: secret world of black pimps by R milner.
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Being the pedant that I am, I just thought I should point out that you probably meant “pendants.”
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Heh, you really are pretty good Arpagus. You should write a tract in English — I think you’d do a fine job.
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paigeu February 11, 2011 at 15:04
Arpagus-
Women don’t understand why men don’t respect them. Game explains it. Being totally driven by hypergamy is in no way a virtue.
WOW!
that’s the standout comment on this post so far as far as I’m concerned.
If more people (okay, women mostly) understood this, the world might really improve..
Thanks paigeu, nice insight
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Short version…
1. Its al bullshiat.
2. Psychology is all back-to-front You-am-I non sense about no thing
3. Do the opposite of all the psych-socio-babble you’ve been brainwashed by (be a contrarian)
4. chase snatch and be happy about bagging a can of tuna at your whim.
Ya just dont need to do all that reading work. Especially psychology. Its a friggin tautological chore. Not to mention sociology.
The essence is… dont give a fark.
Go Your Way. Be capable. Smart. Practicle. Blah, bla, blah.
They will come… to you.
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Opus, as a fellow professional, and given that she had your bank balance in front of her….I hate to burst your bubble.
But for you younger guys Opus brings up a subject Tom Lykis used to say:
Go to an ATM behind some rich guy and, watch if he throws his reciept away. If he does snatch it and if it says a big bank balance printed on it, keep it.
When you are next in a bar, chatting up some chick, and she won’t give you her number, take out the reciept, write your number on the back and say…call me.
I never tried it but Tom said it worked like a charm, and it sounds very likely to work….at least in the most materialistic city on earth, Los Angeles.
And if your having moral quams about it, do you also think she is as young as she says she is? Didn’t think so.
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mgtow–
The most effective thing for relationships (including the kind where you’ve got a couple of girls on the string and sometimes do pickup as well) is to alternate treating them like crap and treating them well and even sweetly. But never in a pedestalizing or currying favor way. More an empathetic, really listening to her emotions, getting her, slightly condescending way.
Always be dominant. Sometimes charmingly and playfully. Some times edgily and demanding or coldly. Well always quite a bit demanding.
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Game. Dating. Pick up techniques. Pftspfts. Why do we men feel the need to jump through these hoops? Just to share in some woman’s ‘gina tingle. It’s now so risky to even look at a woman in a certain way lest you find yourself slung in jail. And don’t get me started on false accusations…
I know this sounds extreme but I think a marriage strike/boycott should be only a start. Men need to withdraw themselves from women entirely. Not just relationships but all social interactions. Only associate with them when it’s otherwise unavoidable. If possible work in all-male environments, or leastaways somewhere with a male led workforce. Don’t take a job if your prospective boss is female. Limit yourself to male friends. Don’t even sit next to a woman on the train/bus to work if possible. Remember it takes just one accusation or even suggestion of inappropriate behaviour to ruin a good life.
And no before you suggest it all you potential trolls this is not some ‘taking our ball away’ argument. This is about self-presevation, even one of self growth. This is about men seeing the light and the fact that we don’t need them. We can manage fine, do our own thing and the added bonus surely must be the hand-wringing from the wimmin when they realise their one hold over us, their one bargaining chip counts for precisley f#ck all.
And that is what I call game.
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The most effective thing for relationships (including the kind where you’ve got a couple of girls on the string and sometimes do pickup as well) is to alternate treating them like crap and treating them well and even sweetly.
Alternately/Randomly doling out pleasure and pain causes mentally addictive behaviour – this is the very pyschological situation that hooks gambling addicts and also, people who are drawn to abusive people – Not that it can’t also work in certain situations where it is toned down under the abuse line.
If you’ve got a really hot chick on the line that you want to keep rotating back into your harem every so often, this is the way to do it because it certainly works… if you’re willing to be that kind of an emotionally abusive asshole.
It would likely be more morally pure to choose one personality or the other and just stick with it, have your jollies with her, and set the little bird free when it’s over. Most psychological abuse which women inflict upon men is done in exactly this way – so learn to recognize it and ditch the bitch as soon as you see her do it a couple of times.
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“Is this game or just my irresistable charm and good looks (and bank balance)?”
Sorry Opus, it’s the bank account.
Once I sold my house and put the money in my bank account temporarily. Went to the bank dressed like a slob because I was working on the house. Nice-looking teller perked right up when she saw the balance. Practically had an orgasm in front of me.
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The only winning move is not to play
Those who play this game will get burnt, it’s only a matter of time. The 20 second reward is not worth the very real risks. If you like playing Russian Roulette with you life, by all means, but if self-preservation is something you value, then don’t do it.
I will never understand why a site that exposes the truth about women promotes this garbage. I guess web hits are more important than the safety of it’s membership.
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Neo-
Some do not consider a good quality of life to be one that involves no risk.
Do you honestly expect the typical 18 year old boy to listen to some older man telling him to avoid women his entire life because they are dangerous? Youth is idealistic…and thank God our the humanity would die out rather quickly. You are much better off telling the young men how to test a woman for character strengths rather than telling him to be celibate til death.
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When women start buying books called, “How to pick up dudes” – then, I’ll have a smile on my face.
Until then, the fact that men even need to have conversations like this – tell me how screwed up everything is.
And – Herbal Essence makes some good points – many women are toxic these days – so – any younger guys doing game – be careful – very careful – keep your wits about you – NEVER put any trust in her.
@W.F. Price – you look a pinch like “Hooper” from Jaws.
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Roissy (http://roissy.wordpress.com/) to get ‘em.
Athol K (http://www.marriedmansexlife.com/) to keep ‘em.
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paigeu-
You seem to be missing the point. This article clearly endorses playing with fire, I recommend giving fire the respect it duly deserves. The article does not endorse ” testing a woman for character strengths”, but promotes jumping right into the fire as quickly as possible. It is very bad advise for any man, regardless of age. It is dangerous and irresponsible to promote this cock measuring drivel.
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@paigeu
You make it sound as though women have virtues. List some of them. I’m all ears.
Certainly men take risk – it’s hard-wired. But most of them take calculated risk. If the potential cost outweighs the benefit, he simply refuses to play the game. One example would be marriage – it’s so-called benefits are not worth the risk involved.
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Game makes my head hurt.
It took me two weeks just to finish The Red Queen.
I’m not looking for a challenge or to compete with a woman’s sense of mate selection. I’d rather play a game of chess than a game of desire with a feeble mind, always “summing me up” as f*ck worthy.
Is she pleasant, quick witted and easy to be with? Does she have an intriguing interest of some kind and not just going to the movies, hiking (none of them actually hike, but they don’t want to appear sedentary), shopping, eating out, cleaning the cat box, getting her nails done, gossiping, calling her mother, shopping, hanging out with friends, quiet evenings at home, pilates or jazzercize, Facebook, traveling (they don’t really do that very much either, but it sounds hip) , and shopping?
Is she a person of meaningful substance that contributes to society?
Or is she more like 99% of every woman I’ve ever known?
Self-absorbed, moody, ditzy, dramatic and with the intellectual depth of a mature teenager.
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Here are the positives of EP as they relate to Game Theory:
1) Analytical. Those who are familiar with EP realize the value of analytical thinking, empirical evidence and science. They probably respect science;
2) Among these are analytical types capable of thinking independently and developing a real, innovative science;
3) It creates employment for tenured academics with nowhere else to go, and keeps them out of our hair.
Here are the negatives of EP:
1) EP pretends to be scientific, but it is not. It fails many of the tests as outlined in the scientific method;
2) False assumptions about the developmental trajectory of human behavior as accounted for in the genetic blueprint is toxic, because it fails to recognize that people change with the choices they make.
How do I know the above? I’ve been there. I know EP, and I know its flaws. If you raise a human among animals, that human becomes feral (behaves like the animals it was raised with). EP dismisses this obvious contradiction as an inconvenience for which they concoct some sort of fabrication to explain it (epigenetics). But it’s a whitewash that doesn’t explain anything. It’s a patch bandaided on after the fact.
According to EP, the various categories of people, from the perspective that interests Gamers (alphas, betas, good-girls, bad-girls, sluts, etc), are accounted for in the genetic blueprint. That’s hogwash. We’ve all seen “nice girls” become sluts, and sluts reform to become something quite different. We’ve seen betas become alphas, etc, etc. The boundaries are quite blurred. How people are treated, the things that they experience, has a far greater impact on their behavioral trajectory than anything else. If you haven’t seen any of this, then you’re walking around with your eyes closed, and you shouldn’t be doing science. No, it’s got nothing to do with epigenetics.
Men and women receive their cues from the environment as to how to behave. Men can learn Game and thus change their behavior. That’s why alphas become betas and visa versa. That’s why people change. It’s all dynamic, it’s always changing. That’s why we have culture. Some of the scientists at the cutting edge (Gerald Edelman, Norman Doidge) understand this. Culture does impact on how the brain acquires its neural specializations (how it is wired). There is a direct link between collective culture and individual personality. The EP-grounded assumptions (genes as cause) stunt our ability to see this relationship.
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I agree. The best “Game” of all is to be true to yourself, define yourself according to your terms and what you believe in. Live your own life, focus on your career, your hobbies, your beliefs. What I’m suggesting has more in common with the old-fashioned values of “becoming a man”, like when elders used to introduce young boys to their “rite of passage”, along the lines of what Jack Donovan alludes to. Game for the purpose of being desirable to women is a contradiction in terms. Game presumes that the criteria by which women judge men matters. But when you look at the types of men that women these days finish up with, who cares what they think?
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Gaming da wimminz for sex is a type of mangina. ie man who is fixated on vag and adopts vag-like thinking. Understanding their farked psyche being apparently integral to learning and mastering (sex) game. Of course, this interpretation is widely condemed, such is the self-validating addiction to vag. Which is the essence of Game Theory, ie you want me, l can have you, you validate me, l am good, great and grand… you are the opposite. Its all social hierarchy nonsense, the stuff da wimminz live by and the stuff of femmy-minded mangina men, which, hate to say it is at least 80-90% of the male population.
Until ya kick your habit, you will never be free. You will always be dependent on them. As they want you to be. As they are on you and as you want them to be.
The true test of your metal… how long can you go without your drug?
yOu think that with sex game you are above the wimminz and the betas. When in fact you are on their level.
Sure, game is politically useful. It frustrates the wimminz, confounds them and throws a spanner in their works. It also keeps many manginaz thoroughly occuppied. And outta the way. Which is very useful for laying the bountiful road clear for those Going Their Way.
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One of my big problems with Game is that some of it pretends that a man makes himself invulnerable through Game. Several top PUAs brag about how they don’t use condoms. I can think of a zillion reasons why that’s a bad idea to promote, even if a man had a vasectomy. Then you have Game practitioners who pretend like allegations of non-consensual sex can’t happen to them because they’re such big studmuffins.
Let’s not pretend some 18 year old boys won’t declare themselves equally invulnerable after learning Game. The technique should come with some judicious caution.
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Game is something most men would prefer not to know; that females can actually be that malleable. The feminine mystery is part of their allure. Once they’re exposed to what lurks underneath, they’ll be mightily dissapointed.
“Are woman really that stupid to fall for that sh*t?”
“Yes son, yes they are. As stupid as you are to fall in love with her for her ass. You’re not really f*cking her after all. You’re f*cking Darwin.”
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Game practitioners who pretend like allegations of non-consensual sex can’t happen to them because they’re such big studmuffins.
Let’s not pretend some 18 year old boys won’t declare themselves equally invulnerable after learning Game. The technique should come with some judicious caution.
I have a friend who is “Alpha” (and an asshole), and once at a party there were two girls we were picking up to take back to their apartment. We were waiting for the girls… I was in his vehicle, the one girl was there… and while I was sitting in the vehicle, my friend simply pushed the girl over the hood of the car, pulled her pants down, shoved her head down on the hood, and starting fucking her from behind while I was sitting there watching…
Yeah… not too hard to get into rape there… except, she loved it! They both knew I was watching, and they didn’t give a shit. He screwed her for about five minutes – a quickie (They had never been together before), and then after that she went and grabbed the other girl – who was doddling, and the four of us ended up in the vehicle and off the apartment we went… where a lot more sex happened.
Far be it from me, but if I had to be called into court, I would have considered that to be rape, except for her loving it. There was no talking, no kissing, no foreplay… just a shove over the hood, pants down, and a rogering with your buddy watching.
Antioch rules be damned.
I get laid enough… I don’t need to enter into that realm.
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Wait a minute, why do I care if you think i’m a tough guy or not?
This is what I don’t really understand about u PUA folk:
Isn’t it enough that you get your fill of vagina? I mean aren’t you happy yet?
I’m certainly happy for you. Really. =D !
But why is it always this “alpha male” competition to see who is the best?
Still not happy eh?
Cheer up!
… and I just dunno, someone who reads a whole bunch of books to learn about how the world works or how to pick up girls…
Whatever floats your boat.
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Dad-Leykis is amusing but he really does not have “game”. If he did he wouldn’t have been married 4 times and also you have no idea if what he says on his shows about his personal life is even true. If he learned anything in life it’s because he’s in his 50′s and he learnt it the hard way. And if his show had such a large audience and he was making a 7 figure income (as HE claims) then why is he off the air. Broadcasters who are really big and make large salaries are sometimes fired for some reason like saying something so offensive that the station has to fire them but they always get rehired a month later by another station. Leykis was never fired for what he said in NY. All radio stations care about is the numbers and ratings. Where’s Leykis today?
That ruse involing the bank balance statement is funny but if someone who looked liked Leykis gave it to a girl she’d probably just throw it in the garbage without even looking at the back of it.Leykis is making all this stuff up and naive boys fall for it. I used to listen to him on the Net because he was amusing but he seems to have disappeared suddenly. Some of the “tricks” he’d recommend men use wouldn’t fool anyone except the dumbest females, and they’re generally the ugly ones in real life. Here are a few of Tom’s tricks-when you show up in your 10yo Hundai tell the girl it’s a loner car because your Mercedes is being repaired (yeah like you only have one car lol) Or show her an expensive house being built and claim it’s yours (lol) Or get an area code for your cell from an expensive area(gee no one ever thought of that lol) Or call a girl and ask her when she’s having dinner and when she tells you say well then I’ll meet you later then(like you don’t want to disturb her plans lol) Tom is an amateur and a comedian. Females all have like a radar that can detect a man’s place in the pecking order .
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First of all, listing 15 books for folks to read, plus urging “applying the skills learned,” all in a week, is hardly “easy” or realistic. I’m not a slow reader, but I don’t read three books a day. Moreover, just citing a bunch of books, without any further guidance, is kind of a cop out when it comes to teaching anything, whether it’s “Game” or astrophysics….”just read “Intro to Physics,” then ‘Advanced Physics,’ and then ‘The Principles of Astrophysics’ and you’ll be good to go.” Thanks. But I guess I already knew that if I want to know something about a subject, I should read the relevant texts. You’re not really telling anybody anything here.
And your “practical” advice is not much better. If a guy knew how to start “friendly conversations” with women, and was comfortable with doing so, he wouldn’t need any training. That’s like saying, “Go build a telescope.” Great, but I don’t know how.
On the main point, as a MGTOW I have no problem with “Game” for guys who want to meet and have sex and/or relationships with women. I agree that it “works.” Although, from what I’ve read, most of it is pretty obvious, at least to men who have any experience at all with women, or even interpersonal relationships generally. Body language, projection of confidence, bantering and teasing (as opposed to being visibly nervous and insecure or trying too hard or being a lickspittle), etc. are all fairly well known ways of how to get over with people. The trick is being able to do it, and to do it with a casual and confident ease. I think that’s what most guys without “Game” lack, not the “knowledge” of what to do, but the ability to do it.
I also seriously question the applicablity of “Game” to the situation of marriage. First of all, most women already knew what their husband is all about. For him to come home one night, after being “Beta” all of his life, and start acting the role of an “Alpha” is not likely to fool her. Secondly, many wives are looking for a bigger and better deal, and their husband does not become that simply by playing the role of an “Alpha.” Thirdly, wives are well aware of the sexual power that they hold, backed up by a legal system that treats their desires and preferences as sacrosanct, and those of their husbands as beneath consideration. Plenty of wives simply get tired of their husbands, and tired of having sex with him, and no amount of “Game” is going to change that. She simply says “no” to him and that’s that. The law is on her side, and if he tries to override her, it’s “marital rape.” And, at any time, she can simply divorce him and retain his money, while getting rid of him. So, in this context, “Game” is hollow. It IS a fake and a fraud. A single guy can act confident and casual and take a “there’s plenty of fish in the ocean” attitude. And there is something real to back it up. Because, for a single guy, there ARE plenty of fish in the ocean. But not for a married man. His wife is his sole fish, unless he’s going to break his wedding vows (in which case it is pointless to talk about “Game” helping his marriage). For a married, “Beta” guy to come home one night and start strutting about like the cock of the walk is kind of a joke, one which the wife will see through immediately. “Right, stud, you don’t really care if I put out or not, because if I don’t you will…do what exactly?” You can’t be the cock of the walk when you only have one hen, and that hen knows it. She might very well respond to “Game” from some other guy, a guy who she know doesn’t “need” her for sex, but wants it anyway, a guy who could and will go somewhere else if she says no, but not her husband, who has no such options.
But, even if that is not the case, I still would not recommend that young men get married with the notion in mind that if your wife cuts down or seriously reduces the sex (which almost all wives do), you don’t have to worry about it, because “Game” will come to your rescue. What is the point of being married, if you have to “Game” your wife into having sex with you? Who wants to go through the trouble of having to learn and apply what amounts to a regime of salesmanship techniques in order to get your wife to do what she should do without any of that? Who wants to be married to a woman if one has to hide his genuine personality and insecurities and fears from her (and most men, like most people in general, DO have fears and insecurities)? And not be one’s true self. Again, I can see the point of going through these machinations to score a hot chick, or even establish a relationship with a desirable woman. But to face a lifetime of doing it?
And it’s one thing to engage in a little role playing in the bedroom with the wife. It’s one thing to “give her what she wants” (whether she knows–or will admit–that she wants it or not) to keep the marital fires burning. But it’s quite another thing to attempt to alter one’s personality entirely, to continually engage in behavior, in and out of the bedroom, that, no matter what you say and how you cut it, is not “natural” to you.
I guess if one has the misfortune of being married already, applying some “Game” might be a good idea. But, in my opinion, we should be encouraging young men, and men in general, not to get married. Marriage, for men, stinks. And while “Game” might make it more tolerable, it doesn’t change that fundamental reality. And, even if it did, at what price?
Our grandfathers did not have to “Game” their wives. Sex was not only a part of marriage, it was considered to be the main point of it. Marriage meant that two people were having sex, and that society was cool with that. Women understood that marriage was a trade off. They got a provider for themselves and their children. They got emotional support and physical protection. And in return they were expected to give things back to their husbands, and one of those things, perhaps the most important, was sex. Even when they didn’t feel like it. Even when their hormones changed. Even when they were deep into the “mom” role and didn’t feel “sexy.” That’s what all those old jokes about the wife “having a headache” were based on . The general rule was that a wife should have sex with her husband pretty much whenever he wanted it. There actually had to be a “reason” for her to refuse.
But all that has changed. Now, marriage is almost entirely a one-way street. The man still is expected to be the provider. He is still expected to be “the strong one,” both emotionally and physically. But the woman feels like it is somehow “wrong” for her to do anything she doesn’t want to do, not only including but most especially having sex with her husband. And if he doesn’t like it, he can lump it, or it’s divorce court time, in which she will continue to get provided for while he gets nothing but the bills.
I say screw that. If a woman wants to get her ginnie tingles by being “Gamed,” then she should stay single. If she wants to be seduced by an “Alpha” (or even a make believe “Alpha”), then she shouldn’t marry a “Beta.” “Game,” when you come right down to it, is giving women what they want. Well, I think we already give women way too much of what they want. Again, I realize that is not a satisfactory answer for men, especially young men, with their sex drives in 5th gear. So, sure, learn yourself some “Game,” give the ladies what they want, and have fun. But don’t think it changes anything of substance when it comes to marriage.
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OT, but I sent this email to the OWS a few moments ago:
1. THE YOUTH IN THE MEDIA REPORT BELOW COMMITTED A HOAX CRIME THAT COST THE TAXPAYER PERHAPS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. IF YOU’D ARRESTED A SUSPECT AND SHE’D POINTED A FINGER AT HIM AN INNOCENT MAN COULD HAVE GONE TO PRISON. WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ARE YOU NOT CHARGING HER?
2. SHE WASN’T A VICTIM OF ANYTHING – SHE IS A CONFESSED CRIMINAL. WHY DO YOU NOT RELEASE HER NAME SO INNOCENT MEN MIGHT KNOW TO AVOID HER IN CASE SHE WISHES TO LIE ABOUT INTERACTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE WITH HER, THAT COULD LAND THEM IN PRISON AND POSSIBLY ASSAULTED OR RAPED THEMSELVES?
3. HOW IS RELEASING THE NAME OF A HOAXSTER IN ANY WAY GOING TO DETER GENUINE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT FROM COMING FORWARD? ALL THIS WILL DO IS INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF MORE HOAXES AND REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE PUBLIC WILL TAKE ACTUAL ASSAULTS SERIOUSLY.
CHARGING AND NAMING HER IS A PUBLIC SAFETY MATTER.
WHO ON EARTH IS MAKING THE DECISIONS AT OWS, ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE???
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Herbal writes, But I also think men need to take a deep breath and assess whether the toxicity of women is even worth a little bit of fish taco. For me, it’s not
Then why are you trying to pickup coffee waitresses and reading PUA websites? lol
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mannon wrote,Men need to withdraw themselves from women entirely. Not just relationships but all social interactions.
So what time are you and the boys holding the circle jerk?
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I’m with some others here.
I can’t be bothered with reading a semester’s worth of literature just to be able to catch some tail.
The vast majority of western women I’ve met aren’t worth the effort.
They are socially dumb entitled princesses and trash.
I’m not that desperate.
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Pretty sure Game is dead
Mister E and Style sold it out
To the highest bidder, it went
and now it’s so mainstream
That’s it’s lost most of it’s effectiveness
though it may still be helpful to some
30 days to success is just not going to happen
unless you’re starting out as a writer for the Rolling Stones and talks and interacts with celebrities on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis
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May I pick up on two of the characteristics of females that Keyster refers to; namely hiking and travelling. I have noticed too that women claim to like these two things, but I have also noticed, that:
1. By hiking they mean walking (well why not) and the woman who claims she walks four miles a day really means she walks two miles once a week, – she has thought of excercise (to keep slim – so what she has fantasised has become reality) pretty much the way they claim to go to the gym but merely stay in the sauna and whirlpool.
2. Travelling.This is female code for going abroad to screw a tall dark stranger.
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Avenger I’m not suggesting we all retire to some commune in the woods and smoke marijuana. All I’m saying is we make a conscious decision to limit contact with women to those situations when it’s otherwise unavoidable. At the moment the chances of divorce are so high as to make marriage unthinkable for any man who values his sense of independece and self respect. That’s much the same for most relationships with women. It’s all about risks vs rewards. Is it really worth the risk? Feminism has made relationships such a minefield for men I think it’s best we stay away from them as long as we can.
As for those who are tempted the whole Game theory sound like an excellent strategy for finding women. Just let’s all be aware of the potential risks too.
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The picture of the guy at top is hilarious. Is that the new player look that girls like – funny hat, black nails and s stupid grin lol. It says it all about women, they really are just fucked up.
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Look at the situation we find ourselves in. Approaching relationships and sex like a military operation. Strategy. Planning. Precautions. Practice. All to avoid false accusations. The fun and spontanaety have gone. Theory and practice are in. I read an article on Men’s News Daily a couple of years ago that said it all: that modern feminism has destroyed the age old relationship between men and women. The chase. The mistery. The trade-offs men and women used to make. All of that has been replaced by a culture of relationship litigation, in which women hold all the cards and if men don’t play by the new rules it’s ‘rape’ -rape that could mean anything now, even a woman waking up the morning after and having regrets is grounds for her to allege rape.
The present situation is such that any spontanious encounter with a woman is risky. But long term relationships (especially marriage) are a no-go too. If you have Game then good luck to you. If not take care. But it’s not something I’m prepared to engage in because the risks seem to outweigh the rewards.
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Game is not about a man jumping the hoops for a woman.
Game is about making your target woman jump through the hoops.
Big difference.
You are the prize. She is the worshipper.
Game works even in a non-sexual context. For example, if you present yourself as not a doormat and not someone to be trifled with, it helps to get the pesky female relatives and female co-workers off your back. Some of them will even ‘go the extra mile’ for you, going out of their way to be helpful to you, in stark contrast to other men who don’t play the game.
It’s funny and maybe even borderline frightening. But a woman’s mind is malleable like that.
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Thanks for all the comments.
I won’t bother responding to those who advocate avoiding women and sex altogether, other than to say that it’s just not an option most men would want to consider. We want to get laid.
Going even further, most men want to do more than just get laid. We want love. Take it from a guy who’s plowed through a lot of casual hookups, and also been in two awesome relationships – the former is fun, but nothing compared to the latter.
Also, I want children someday. I think most men will at some point.
So really, choosing not to play the game is not a winning move. Even if the game is heavily stacked against us from the outset, we still have to play. Learning Game is just reading the rules on the inside of the top of the box.
Bottom line, if you are an MGTOW, I can respect that even though I can’t understand it – at least it’s a consistent position. The men who need a wake-up call are the ones who claim they like women, but are just way too cool to be bothered doin’ a lot of fancy book learnin’.
Codebuster, regarding “becoming a man” rather than just memorizing a bunch of routines, check out my post called “Why I am not a PUA.” I think we’re on the same page.
Cheers and much thanks to Welmer for posting this,
Frost
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choosing not to play the game is not a winning move
As R.Don said many years ago “you cannot not play the game”. He was referring to body language but it applies here as well.
re : Game gurus bragging about not wearing a condom. Stupid, stupid advice, especially given gamers target pool of easy bar skanks. Ulcerating sores on the penis are not fun at all.
I’ll say it again, anyone who starts out their screed with any mention of “the bar” is likely a poser.
Anonymous : no kissing, no foreplay… just a shove over the hood, pants down, and a rogering
All right, thrilled to see the word “roguring” making it into the common parlance. Spell it with a “u” , not an “e”, though maybe the pirate mystique could play well.
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From The Secret Diary of William Byrd of Westover, 1709–1712 :
8 September … saw two women, a mother and daughter who stayed about two hours and then came Mrs. Johnson with whom I supped and ate some fricasee of rabbit and about ten went to bed with her and lay all night and rogured her twice …
11 September … I wrote some English till nine and then came Mrs. S-t-r-d. I drank a glass of wine to our good rest and then went to bed and rogured her three times. However, I could not sleep and neglected my prayers….
14 … About eight I went to Mrs. Smith’s where I met Molly and had some oysters for supper and about eleven we went to bed and I rogured her twice …
17 … about seven I went to Mrs. FitzHerbert’s where I ate some boiled pork and drank some ale. About nine I walked away and picked up a girl whom I carried to the bagnio and rogured her twice very well. It rained abundance in the night.
6 October…. endeavored to pick up a wh— but could not. I neglected my prayers, for which God forgive me …
7 October … picked up a wh— and carried her to a tavern where I gave her a supper and we ate a broiled fowl. We did nothing but fool and parted about 11 o’clock and I walked home and neglected my prayers …
16 October picked up a woman and went to the tavern where we had a broiled fowl and afterwards I committed uncleanness for which God forgive me. About eleven I went home and neglected my prayers.
20 October … to the play where I saw nobody I liked so went to Will’s and stayed about an hour and then went to Mrs. Smith’s where I met a very tall woman and rogured her three times …
11 November, went with Lord Orrery to Mrs B-r-t-n where we found two chambermaids that my Lord had ordered to be got for us and I rogured one of them and about 9 o’clock returned again to Will’s where Betty S-t-r-d called on me in a coach and I went with her to a bagnio and rogured her twice, for which God forgive me …
13 … took my ways towards Mrs. Southwell’s but she was from home. Then I walked in the park and went to Ozinda’s … After we went to Will’s … then … to Mistress B-r-t and stayed about an hour
14 … went away to Will’s where a woman called on me. .. then went to a bagnio where I rogured my woman but once. Her name was Sally Cook. There was a terrible noise in the night like a woman crying…
22 … walked home and by the way picked up a woman and committed uncleanness with her, for which God forgive me …
28 … I ate some boiled milk for supper and romped with Molly F-r-s-y and about 9 o’clock retired and kissed the maid so that I committed uncleanness, for which God forgive me.
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Don’t misunderstand me. I’m no prude. I don’t see sex as bad, I’m just saying watch out. At the moment it’s a toxic place to be a man out there, and the deck is stacked against us. In a way I’m trying to play devil’s advocate and remind everyone of the pitfalls that lay in wait out there. Hell if you can find yourself a good woman then good luck to you. But remember the way many women see us. They see us as easy targets, and I think making ourselves less available might at least make women see us as worth working harder to please. By reducing the availability of sex for women we increase our leverage, and that I think could easily go hand in hand with the aforementioned Game theory.
I agree men should put their happiness first, and whether by using Game, or simply limiting our availability to women we can make things better for ourselves.
Anyway guys have fun with the Game.
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No.
That is what MPUAG hucksters say.
If “every” male learns Game, it’ll be WikiLeaks for the masses. Secret handshakes and crackz for the morons.
Once everybody knows a secret cheat code – it’s NOT a secret anymore.
If everybody knows the secret passage to Thermopylae, it’s worthless.
What predictions do you make about the horrible countermeasures girlie-girls will apply in reaction to being Gamed by every douchebag in a Christian Audigier tribal tee?
You wanna know what you get?
You get JWOWW and Snooki.
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Game is revolutionary – no exaggeration.
But, the knowledge was disseminated to the masses – the worthy as well as the unworthy.
And, if you are a Man with any brains…you’ll quickly see the unworthy always outnumber the worthy by a minimum of 100 to 1.
The worst thing ever to happen to pua arts was the bestowing of Game onto morons, douchebags and serial neggers.
Very Prometheus-like: some “friend” to man, but today, only a marketeer.
I imagine the punishment of having a daughter with a stripper is as bad as having your liver eaten every day.
Game, like learning about explosives in the Marines, should have had a gatekeeper. Not every idiot should own a gun.
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I don’t agree that women are mysterious and inscrutable at all. They are needy, insecure, and always looking for somebody/anybody to pay attention to them – otherwise- they wouldn’t be playing so many games trying to appear mysterious and inscrutable. Only dumb/naive guys are dumbfounded by their behavior.
To me- just observing their behavior provides endless amusement but I would not recommend “getting involved”. Regarding “relief from tension” – take the matter “into your own hands” takes care of the problem- while avoiding the nonsensical entanglements/financial ruin involved in dealing with them. There are just too many interesting things to do without them (reading, exercise, music, languages, travel, and prayer/meditation.
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The premises of Game are as follows:
1. Women are scum who only like assholes who treat them like shit
2. Besides, there is nothing more desirable for a man than to spend a lot of time with those creatures
3. Therefore, one should make an effort to get rid of one’s respectable human qualities in order to become scum and get the attention of women
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Not only am I trying to peak your interest
Shouldn’t that be pique?
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but how a girl gets what she wants can be quite mysterious. It is all about intuition.
Females are rather simple organisms and can be easily read by an experienced man. I know how a female will react in any situation before she even knows what she’s doing. The reason is that she always behaves in a predictable manner based on female instinct. It only appears erratic to the inexperienced mostly young men.It’s sort of an ingrained survival instinct where they appear to behave in an unpredictable way to keep men off balance. They’ll try anything to get over on a man lol
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I feel like there is somthing missing where the second comma is.
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Some women are really fuckin stupid. Men have loved and admired women forever. How the hell do you think femminism got off the ground in the first place. Game teaches men how to not respect woman and see women as they are. Game will allow a man to get past his emotional years when he is most likely to fall in real love with a woman. A man that is in love with a woman at a deep emotional level has just committed slow suicide in todays world. If that wasn’t true there would be no open discussion of game,and there would be no spearhead. The men that you are talking shit here to lady are hard working family men. These men do not normally discuss game. These men normally discussed topics about qualifying for a home loan, what schools their kids should go to etc. But the fuck up society that these men of character have been beaten into understanding are now discussing game.
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“Bottom line, if you are an MGTOW, I can respect that even though I can’t understand it” -Frost
The reason you don’t understand it is because the shear tonnage of your inexperience in these matters can only be surpassed by the mass of your egocentric sermon.
“We want to get laid… we want children…. we want love” -Frost
You and every other zit-popping basement dwelling punk with a keyboard. Put your money were your mouth is and just go out and do it. Spare us the freshman locker room propaganda and report back when you are happily married with children. Until then you have no business giving anyone advice on something you clearly have no experience with.
The only solace I get from reading crap like this is knowing the authors and followers will get exacley what they deserve. I guess if these idiots insist on dancing in a minefield, then I’ll just have to be content watching the show.
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badguy:
1. Women are scum who only like assholes who treat them like shit
2. Besides, there is nothing more desirable for a man than to spend a lot of time with those creatures
3. Therefore, one should make an effort to get rid of one’s respectable human qualities in order to become scum and get the attention of women
Thanks for sharing that. Now run along back to your manbooby and tell him his trolls are still not impressive.
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Not only am I trying to peak your interest, but also to get you to chase me, be patient about delayed sexual relations, and eventually even consent to forsake all others in favor of just me…. Maybe even have cute little babies one day (names I already have picked out to sound perfect with your last name). It will certainly be tricky since all of the above is counter-intuitive for a man to consent to.
How am I going to do all of the above? Quite a bit of intuition and/or thin-slicing. I have to figure out what kind of girl you are attracted to (quirky, cute, smart, funny, sweet?), what virtues you look for in an LTR, and convince you that if you make babies with me not only will I maintain my sexuality but I will be an excellent mother….the perfect Madonna/Whore combination.
Gosh, why don’t you just take the advice that women have been handing out to men for years?
Just Be Yourself
PS: Why would it make any difference whether women are aware of their hypergamic nature or not? What would change?
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Game is fun, useful. Guys do need it. Learn the principles and apply them. Best game is Inner Game. No pendants, no cheesy pick up lines, nothing of that sort. Just plain and simple Inner Game. If a girl leaves you, you won’t die. You would probably get another. And even if you don’t your life is worth more than just a girl leaving you. I knew this even before I learnt of Game. Game is just taking the highs and lows of life as best as you can. regards.
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Guys using Game to pick up women get laid not because of it, but despite it. The only important thing to do is to take a chance and keep approaching women. Hell, I could tell you a magic phrase in mandarin to say to a lady when asking her out on a date and it will work for the very same same reason.
Everything else is pure bull because humans cannot be predicted this way and you end up turning off as many women as you impress. The best strategy is to be yourself and keep trying.
Its a pure numbers game and more experience makes one better at it.
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“Game is not about a man jumping the hoops for a woman. Game is about making your target woman jump through the hoops. Big difference. You are the prize. She is the worshipper.”
To me, this makes no sense at all. If you are the prize, why are you studying up and practicing technique to land HER? Obviously, the woman is still the prize, or there would be no need to perfect hunting techniques to capture her. Perhaps, after the fact, after you’ve captured her, you can train her to “worship” you (like a feral dog who has been caught and tamed), but there is no mistaking the fact that, in the first instance, the man is the pursuer and the woman is the prey.
“Game works even in a non-sexual context. For example, if you present yourself as not a doormat and not someone to be trifled with, it helps to get the pesky female relatives and female co-workers off your back. Some of them will even ‘go the extra mile’ for you, going out of their way to be helpful to you, in stark contrast to other men who don’t play the game.”
This just reinforces the point that “Game” is really nothing new. Being assertive, funny and teasing, banterng, casual and confident, and showing it through body language, touching, and speech, is the way that most folks who are successful at interpersonal relationships generally get over. It’s not specific to the “pick up” situation.
“It’s funny and maybe even borderline frightening. But a woman’s mind is malleable like that.”
I don’t even think the effect of these basic “rules” for success are bound to interactions with women only. Men and children respond to them as well.
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Knowledge is power. Knowing game is power. But all power has its risks. Knowing the power of the atom is power. But the atomic bomb can explode in your face.
If what you want is sex, game is the answer. But no amount of game changes society, and the rules that now exist.
In addition, for the commentator who spoke of “searching for love” Game teaches us to see reality in a cold, Darwinian, way. And, in this view, love becomes what it is: a set of chemicals, encoded in our DNA, designed for humans to have certain behaviors.
All the romance thing need to disappear, if someone want to be a good gamer. One need to accept reality for what it is. And reality is not very romantic. So, it is strange that someone defend game, and talk of love at the same time.
I am all for knowing game. Because knowing game is knowing how reality works. But I’ve already past the point of having the illusions of a teenager.
Sorry for my English. I never had money to pay for teachers, and it shows.
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To complete the above. Love always involves some degree of idealization of the beloved (the influence of chemicals in our brain, like most things in our life)
Game teaches us the opposite: to abandon any attempt at idealization.
It is clear that both, therefore, are incompatible.
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I’m sorry, guys. I know Game, and yet I still love women. I know Game in and out. And I have women young and old hitting on me. Even at the gym. I had a hot Persian lady in her 30s ask ME for MY number yesterday, while I was sweating up a storm on the stairmaster machine and could barely breathe. I think it all comes down to poise and self-confidence.
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I know Game, and yet I still love women
@heartfelt
What do you mean when you say that “you love woman”?
I’m sure you mean to have sex with them and enjoy their company (at least for a while). Well, we are two. But be realistic. You can not “love” a generic woman in abstract form. Is not the kind of love that most people think when they say that word.
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“The only important thing to do is to take a chance and keep approaching women”
Finally someone gets it. That is all you need to know about approaching women.
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My experience is that women keep approaching me. Not all, not all the time, but they signal, and I respond. Res Ipsa Loquitor.
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mea culpa, I meant to write, quod erat demonstandum.
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Some random shots:
Womyn claim that they want to meet men, that men are “intimidated” by strong womyn, and so forth. If this is the case, then why should men have to play these games at all? If what AW tell us is true, then shouldn’t womyn be jumping through hoops to meet men?
Does Game work for all men? Let’s say a guy who is obese? Or a guy who is past social security age? Can he walk into a bar, sashay on up to the “hottest” chick, strike up a conversation, and have her go home with him?
Game is good to know insofar as it might make men, especially young men, realize the [expletive deleted] one has to go through just to meet womyn in this wasteland. It might get them to question the society that tells them they are guaranteed happy-ever-after with a female in the suburbs just for being your humble self. It might also get men to question the propaganda system which tells them that we have a sexual revolution going on, in which free-and-easy sex is available to all (there has to be a sexual revolution–Playboy magazine and 500 channels of sleaze wouldn’t lie to us, would they?).
Another reason one might know Game is to understand the games that womyn play. There’s an obvious need for this in these days of foot-stamping-underwear-wetting hysteria over “sexual harassment” and “date rape.” A young man might learn how to recognize female games and avoid them (in the immortal words of Admiral Akbar, “It’s a trap!”).
The thing that gets me about this sort of thing is the premise that a man would want to have casual sex with multiple partners. Even without the prevailing anti-male hysteria, there are reasons to actually show a certain amount of fidelity. In a rational society (not ours!), marriage would be the foundation. Someone has to create the stable families which pay the taxes and defend the frontiers and mow the lawns and otherwise keep things going.
All this is one more symptom of the general decline of Western Civilization. Aside from learning Game, one should also stockpile weapons, ammo, MREs, and generator fuel!
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PS: Why would it make any difference whether women are aware of their hypergamic nature or not? What would change?
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Self-awareness is the first step to change. It doesn’t mean all women would change…..but some would honestly reflect on their motivations and make better judgments.
That would require honesty, first with themselves, and then with others…
So again I ask, assuming women were capable of recognizing their hypergamy, what would change?
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Spellcheck fails me again
Spellcheck is not going to help because they are both words. You just don’t know how to use them correctly.
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Manny- who says I want marriage or any “relationship” [hate that female term]
Females are on this earth for one reason To shag! Otherwise they are of no use to me and I wouldn’t give a damn if they lived or perished.
And btw, it’s usually the scared little pussies like you who are the target of false allegations. It’s almost as if females can smell weakness much as an animal can and people like you become targets. And if you think that hiding or avoiding females is any protection then you should think again. Females have been known to make false accusations against some little wimp living in the neighbourhood for no reason.
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“Game works even in a non-sexual context. For example, if you present yourself as not a doormat and not someone to be trifled with, it helps to get the pesky female relatives and female co-workers off your back. Some of them will even ‘go the extra mile’ for you, going out of their way to be helpful to you, in stark contrast to other men who don’t play the game.”
This just reinforces the point that “Game” is really nothing new. Being assertive, funny and teasing, banterng, casual and confident, and showing it through body language, touching, and speech, is the way that most folks who are successful at interpersonal relationships generally get over. It’s not specific to the “pick up” situation.
“It’s funny and maybe even borderline frightening. But a woman’s mind is malleable like that.”
I don’t even think the effect of these basic “rules” for success are bound to interactions with women only. Men and children respond to them as well.”
Re-posting as a public service announcement.
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All this “everything is hard wired” bullshit disregards the fact that human beings are extremely adaptable. Look how much men and women have changed in the past 40 years.
Understanding women is not that hard really. They are as confused as all fuck. They generally believe that thier only worth to a man is thier vagina and many men think that too because you all watch too much tv and play too much xbox. Both sexes are manipulated to misunderstand the other.
Generally women are after some authority to protect them and save them from taking responsibility for thier lives. Western cultures do that pretty well, but they want a good screwing and the authorities cant provide it, so we men have to step up to the plate.
Be funny, tolerant and patient, but always stand up for yourself and make sure they give you plenty of space to do your own stuff. Keep fit and dont get involved in thier dramas. Drama makes them feel alive and makes you feel like shit. Make em a cup of tea or glass of wine before bed to show you care.
I used to be the nice guy that was put forward as the winning design, but realised after a while that nice guys are a drawcard for predatory women who will use you up all they can. The worst of feminism is over and hopefully there are enough MEN around to get the world going in a better direction than it has been for some time. Us becoming as selfish as them is not the answer to a better world.
You do not have to become a womens slave to get sex. Learn about sex. Learn about your body and hers. Give them plenty of orgasms and they are likely to become yours.
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Women are on to game – Keys to the VIP has ensured that. You think they don’t watch that sh*t?
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Karlos, women and men have not changed in any meaningful way for the last few thousand years or so. All the “change” that you see in the last 40 years is largely the result of unprecedented material wealth, coupled with reliable birth control, and all the hardwired bullshit you scoff at such as female hypergamy.
It’s pretty lame to show up at the end of a thread on Game all puffed up and claiming that all one has to do is give a woman some orgasms and she’s yours. Tell me, what happens when she’s full of estrogen due to pregnancy and refuses to allow you to touch her? What happens when a man has to beta himself nearly to death because of children that must be cared for, a job that must be held and a wife who is still full of estrogen? What happens when her priorities are (a) herself (b) the children (c) her job and (d) everything else, including you?
How do you think that so many men wind up essentially living in their own basement or garage, because the house “belongs” to wifey and children? How do you think that some men come home to an empty house and a pile of divorce papers on the kitchen counter?
It ain’t what you say it is. And the worse of feminism is likely still to come…
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Women are on to game – Keys to the VIP has ensured that. You think they don’t watch that sh*t?
Yeah, sure. They can watch all the TV shows they want. That won’t change what does, and does not, cause ‘gina tingles. I recall one guy I knew years ago, so many years ago that looking like John Lennon actually helped him get laid. He was not too bright. But he was good with words when he needed to be, and could play a pretty credible SNAG. I recall one of his girlfriends was shaking her head over the latest, saying “He’ll be cheating on her by the end of summer”. And as she said it, she was sighing — she knew he was no good, but the tingle was there still — he could have nailed her once for the road I wager.
Go read Chateau Renegade. You’ll see that women can be fully aware of Game, and it works on them anyway.
Heck, Athol Kay’s wife edits his site for spelling and grammar. She’s surely “on to game”, and likes it.
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Worst part of the game is when you meet these guys who are always negging everyone or being cocky funny at work.
This older divorced manager I had kept running this stuff on the girls in the IT department. Having been there and done that it kind of made me sick seeing the girls respond to it.
I know how to do it and it can work but I think it’s lame. He was trying to get me into Mystery. I was like yeah I did that 10 years ago when it came out, not interested.
No he didn’t get any, see that’s the thing. Game all you want and talk to these girls all day and entertain them but when it comes down to it most guys are getting any even with “game”.
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This is just a list of books to read and hardly says anything. Somebody should actually write an essay on this site which explains what “game” actually is and teach in that article the essentials of “game”. Unless this is done, you will have a bunch of post-baby-boom generation guys going to this site and quickly losing interest because they don’t understand the terminology used on it.
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