Men’s Nook: Not in the Kid’s Section

by Chuck Ross on January 29, 2011

My brother posted this on Facebook after an incident at the Preston and Park Barnes and Noble in Plano, Texas. He was shopping with his pregnant wife and her parents. I wrote this piece at my local B&N, using their complimentary wi-fi, drinking loads of their water, and browsing books that I have no intention of buying at their store. Doing my part. Here is my brother:

Tonight I was at BN trying to find a place to sit to look at my books. Of course I couldn’t find a seat because the two measly sofa chairs they used to have are gone, the handful of wooden chairs were taken, and people were having to sit in the aisles like hobos. I wasn’t gonna sit on the ground and was determined to find a seat, and the only one I could see was at a table in the kid’s section. As I was walking into the kid’s section the lady who was working that area asked me in a snarky way “can I help you find something.” I said “no I’m fine” and then strolled over to the reading area and sat down. Before I even opened my book the lady followed me to where I was sitting and told me that the section was only for kids and parents. I told her that there was nowhere else to sit and she advised me to go over to the music section. I rolled my eyes and just walked into the music section where my book tripped the area’s merchandise sensor. After cooling off for a minute I told [my wife] about it all and she went and complained to the manager. The manager told her that they don’t let single men in that section because they have had complaints about men leering at children. Right after I was kicked out I was somewhat pissed, but after what [my wife] told me I was furious. She was basically saying that the reason I was kicked out of the kid’s section is that I was suspected of being in there to leer at little kids and not for the perfectly reasonable and more likely reason that I was trying to find a fucking place to sit down. Like I said, I’m never going back.

Both my brother and I followed up with Barnes and Noble in different capacities to figure out their policy’s genesis and its true intent. My brother went back to the store to speak personally with a manager, and I contacted the corporate office to determine where this policy originated. My brother didn’t speak with the general manager, but he spoke with an assistant who told him that he was asked to leave the section because of limited space and that if he wanted to go in that area again he should have a child with him. Which will be difficult since my sister-in-law is only due to give birth in a few months.

Taking a bit of an activist stance, I contacted Barnes and Nobles’ corporate headquarters and spoke with a customer service representative. I told the rep the story of what happened and wanted to know if the policy to prevent either single men or people without children from sitting in the kid’s section was a company policy or store policy. The rep said that she would research it and get back to me. Corporate did not get back to me; instead, they apparently contacted the general manager of the Preston and Park store and emailed me with an apology which she asked me to pass along to my brother.

In email correspondence, the store manager insisted that the issue at hand was not one of discrimination against single men but rather a concern over space so that “children [can] have every opportunity to develop the love and habits of reading that will keep our business viable in the future.”

Barnes and Noble could afford such a stance because they’d already hooked my brother on the stuff so they could afford to demean him and tacitly accuse him of pedophilia. It is important to remember one thing from my brother’s posting: he was both immediately confronted by a female employee and told by an assistant manager that the policy was implemented because there had been reports of men leering at children. My brother was told that individuals had been caught in the kid’s section doing lewd things: apparently a man had acted inappropriately, some kids had left a “Playboy” magazine, and a couple of lesbians were found looking at graphic books.

Albeit not nearly as systematic or disturbing, this case is similar to one in which British Airways maintained a policy of separating adult men from lone children on their flights in order to protect kids from pedophiles. Lawyers, professionals, fathers, and even the current mayor of London were vilified under the auspices of child safety.

Perhaps there was miscommunication between the general manager and the assistant/employees about the nature of the “parents and children” only policy. But it is important to think through workforce dynamics and to keep the British Airways policy in mind in order to gain a better understanding of what happened. The assistant manager my brother spoke with got the idea that single men were prohibited from the kid’s section from somewhere. People, especially those with managerial responsibility, don’t spout off speculation like that without some basis in truth. It could be that the truth was rooted more in internal speculation rather that explicit store/district/company policy, but if the culture of that store/district/company is such that a manager thinks that the kid’s section is in danger of being infiltrated by perverted men, then that store is practicing de facto discrimination and profiling.

My brother had been told by someone at the store that the kid’s section policy was handed down from the district office. I contacted the district manager to confirm this and find out why such a policy would exist and who implemented it. I spoke with district manager Jerry Warren who told me that there was no such policy and that he hadn’t heard anything about it. If anything, it seems that Barnes and Noble is unable to get their story straight.

There are a few other salient facts worth mentioning:

  • My brother has spent thousands of dollars at Barnes & Noble while none of the children have spent a dime.
  • My brother’s wife has shopped in the children’s section by herself on numerous occasions – even before she was pregnant – without a hitch. She is a kindergarten teacher (tangentially, my sister-in-law has a male peer who she says is a wonderful teacher who is loved by his young students, but he is forced to deal with parents who don’t want their children in his class because he is a man).
  • Several months ago my brother and his wife sat childless in the kid’s section and were not bothered. Also in the section, an adult book club was holding a meeting. The policy guarding the limited space of the kid’s section was apparently not in effect at that time.

Here is a more metaphysical discussion of this incident. Laws have been enacted which prevent discrimination against customers on the basis of race, gender, religion, ethnicity, and sexual orientation. Unless one set of customers pays an extra fee for access – like the VIP section at a concert or front court seats at a Lakers game – a business can’t cordon off parts of a store that certain customers can’t enter.

It also seems that in the tug-of-war between established, adult, male customers and children, Barnes and Noble has sided with children. Assuming that all men will stand fast behind their white shields, companies like Barnes and Noble – no, society in general – have decided to discount the integrity and buying power of men. The company is operating off of old models which considered men’s demand to be highly inelastic and, thus, not worth considering. “Men will buy whatever we sell them – however we sell it.” Such an attitude, which is inherited from the concept of male disposability, has made non-men the most highly sought after customers. It seems that “women and children first” extends beyond sinking ships and house fires. Let’s see if the thousands of men who read this post allow kiddies and their mums a wide enough berth to explore their pop-up books by completely boycotting Barnes and Noble or at least marginally thinking twice about shopping there. $14.95 adds up here and there.

Then there is the age-old issue of parental responsibility.  From a pragmatic view, it is unnecessary to enact a policy that polices lone men in the kid’s section if parents are watching over their children. It is possible that shenanigans could take place in that section, but this is also possible in most settings outside the store’s doors. If I had a kid and saw a man exposing himself near my child I would rip his head (or both) right off. Of course, this is a big if: there are only a handful of cases of such behavior. To prepare for an insane man touching himself or propositioning children in the kid’s book section would be to assume that every other customer is a potential mass shooter. Of course, they are more likely to be men so it might be wise to bar men from entering the store altogether.

I post this to make an example of Barnes and Noble. The time is coming when men will not stand for being considered criminals and being treated as such. Barnes and Noble shouldn’t worry too much because that time is still a little ways off. At least for now, most men won’t heed the call, and the bookseller does have their Nook. But I have a nook too; it’s a really good place to read my Kindle.

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DirkJohanson January 29, 2011 at 07:04

Not that unlike the incident in New York City when men were ticketed for playing chess in a park: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/kiddie_pawn_shock_KnKyQ0JfMITAIqGawRJf8J

I believe the charges were later dropped.

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Gendeau January 29, 2011 at 07:14

I had heard of the BA attitude, before my last flight with them I decided that should the scenario arise, the only way I’d move would be if they upgraded me to the next class.

I’m done with my interests being harmed in order to cater to the bizarre imaginary scenarios.

(You catch a paedo, you go right ahead and rip whichever head off of him you feel fit (Just make sure he’s guilty).)

Feminazis and manginas have found that a cry of “It’s for the cheeeldren” is usually effective in bypassing any, or all logic. It also is quite useful for teh wimminz.

We need to make ‘reason’ the basis of behaviour, not emotion and illogic.

I love women, doesn’t mean I want them to run my life according to their whims.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) January 29, 2011 at 07:29

Dude, my take on anything like this is to tell the woman ‘f*** you’. If some woman (aka. feminist bitch) came and asked me to move because I might ‘leer’ at children I would just tell her to f*** off. Exactly as I would a man. Women don’t like being treated as ‘equals’ now that I do it.

If she insisted on calling the cops I would let the cops know that they were PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE and accountable for any attempt to kidnap me and that any such crime would cost them 500 ounces of gold per hour or part thereof and if not paid that they would be subject to justice up to and including deadly force dispensable at a time and in a manner of my choosing.

Then I would look them right in the eye and say “now, go ahead, kidnap me, make my day”.

I am kinda looking forward to the first time this happens. Should be fun!!

Oh..yes….I am soon going to be noticing the MDs of all major Australian companies and they are going to be invited to share my evidence of the crimes of the family courts or be named and shamed on our CAF site as man-hating, white knighting, mangina apologists. Its time to name and shame the MEN so that they drop their white knighting and obey the law…that law being they do not get to infringe a mans claimed rights or if they do they are subject to that mans law.

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Mighty Pussy January 29, 2011 at 07:31

The funny thing is children are actually in more physical, sexual and emotional danger around adult women then they are around adult men because of the inordinate amount of trust and access women have to children thanks to society’s delusional presumption that very few women are pedophiles. In fact, if you are to compare the sexual abuse of boys at home, adult men are far less likely to be the perpetrator than either a female babysitter, mother, sister etc.

Women can kill, sexually abuse, emotionally traumatize/bully, be passive-aggressive or vindictive and otherwise mistreat children (especially their own) with impunity thanks to mangina belief in the universal purity of “mother”

That’s why the majority of men locked up behind bars were raised by single mothers. The late Tupac Shakur loved mothers and worshiped women even though his own mother was a crack-addicted psycho who abandoned him several times and brought home a new “daddy” for little Shakur month after month with expected results (black eyes, turmoil, selfish neglectful bitch bringing home abusive boyfriends etc)

But of course a woman and a mother could never hurt a child (sarcasm)

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Herbal Essence January 29, 2011 at 07:34

A couple of months ago I got a dirty and suspicious look from a librarian when I was in the children’s section. Not that I have to justify but I had a perfectly valid reason to be there, as I wanted to look at one of my favorite stories from childhood.
“OMG man unaccompanied by child. He must be a criminal.”

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DirkJohanson January 29, 2011 at 07:34

Here’s a story about a broad that murdered her two children Thursday night: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/tampa-mother-accused-of-killing-two-kids-now-hospitalized-in-intensive/1148410

Husband was overseas in the Air Force when she did it. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was fucking someone else and was worried the teenage kids she murdered would talk.

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Clarence January 29, 2011 at 07:37

This is a good post.
I’ve been going every other month or so to a Barnes and Noble in my area to get coffee, sometimes food at the StarBucks inside, and chat. I’ve occasionally purchased books. Now, I’ve only been in the childrens section once or twice, and I don’t recall any hassles (one time I was browsing the book selection there for about 15 minutes , recalling childhood memories and things like that and wondering what would be good for a kid if I had one), but I’ve never sat down in there. I think I will do so the next time I am there and see what happens. I won’t try to be conspicuous, but I won’t hide, and I won’t sit there more than 10 or 15 minutes but I’ll see what happens.

And yeah, this kind of “presumed guilty” sheyot pisses me off.

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Qae January 29, 2011 at 07:53

Interesting.

Given how absolutely common it is on this very website to generalize and stereotype (“Feminazis and manginas have found that a cry of “It’s for the cheeeldren” is usually effective in bypassing any, or all logic. It also is quite useful for teh wimminz.”, for an example from a post above), it’s odd that we’d be offended when it’s done against us.

It’s also odd that one would react to it by appealing to authority (contacting managers and regional directors, etc.) and trying to use complaints and policies that are the very basis of much of what we claim to deplore to try to stop it. In cases like this, fighting fire with fire pretty much just guarantees more fire, if you see what I mean.

Obviously what happened was ridiculous and dehumanizing – and a good example of what society has to done to itself regarding men and how men are perceived. But it highlights that our own reactions can drive that nasty wheel forward, by putting responsibility for correction back on society or the community or whatever authority we’re appealing to.

Perhaps it would have been better for the guy to raise an unholy stink right in the store, making his various points in a way that would have made everyone there see what was going on – and then followed up as was done here, by alerting everyone that this sort of policy seems to exist at this store and perhaps allowing a boycott or other reaction to be developed (urinal stickers about how B&N hates men, selling B&N stock, whatever). If the pattern of discrimination is of great enough magnitude to be useful, perhaps a lawsuit that provides for lots of public airing of the company’s dirty laundry and possible settlements including forking money over to men’s rights groups might have been fun.

It seems the guy from the story sends lots of money at that store, and that’s going to stop. Certainly I won’t be shopping at that chain anymore myself. And that’s the point – as rational, strategic guys we need to hit these things where they hurt without making the evil system we’re fighting stronger. Getting the tacit policy changed or getting discounts on shopping or having a silly clerk or manager fired or transferred won’t make any real difference. Tainting their public image or hitting them right in the pocketbook will.

And maybe that’s our real strength – we know reality trumps wishful thinking. We just have to be sure to rub the wishful-thinkers’ noses in it. This works on a personal level as well as a societal one.

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Elusive Wapiti January 29, 2011 at 07:55

I had a similar experience to this, only at my own church. I was so bent out of shape about it, I wrote a letter to the youth pastor (I was a volunteer in the children’s play area), and after about 3 months of internal debate, the policy was changed to a more sex neutral stance.

In both cases–the one described above and with my church–I strongly suspect the culprit were women who think all men are child molesters.

Bravo for pushing back as you did. While we may lose occasionally, as in the case of Quantas and BA, calling out blatant misandry often has the effect of making the business change policy.

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Opus January 29, 2011 at 08:04

I have had a similar incident and observed the same happening to a friend of mine. I won’t bore you with the details – they are inherently absurd. Women (and men too) are convinced that single men can only have one interest in children – are we dealing here with projection?

My approach to the problem is to assume that children do not exist. A year ago I was walking along the road, when a six or seven year old boy on the other side of a fence approached and began to talk to me. I overcame my natural reaction to respond to him and (with difficulty) studiously ignored him – his father was near-by. What can you say of a society which forces single-males to act this way for fear of false-allegations – in that case I feared that the father who was holding secateers in his hands might attack me – and we know which sex it is that has encouraged this nonsense, don’t we!

You may think that matters little,- the child will not even remember – however, a friend of mine tells the following story. He was on the side walk when a small child wandered into the middle of a usually busy road. He said that he had to think twice about whether to rush into the road to save the child. Happily his intervention proved unnecessary . I felt sure that if I had been in his position I would have overcome any humanity I might have and let the child be run over. Well done women!

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demirogue January 29, 2011 at 08:36

Let’s reverse this now and apply it to women that are looking for Mr Right:

They told her that they don’t let single women in that section because they have had complaints about them crying because they are desperate, lonely, miserable and run off all the happy single men that are around. But after years of single men being tormented, tortured, and abused, they had ample reason to just give women and the system the bird.

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NWOslave January 29, 2011 at 08:41

Why do feminist’s appear concerned about pedophiles on planes, trains and automobiles, yet openly berate the boy scout’s stance for banning gay scout masters? Of course all gays and lesbians aren’t pedophiles, but if a man likes little boys and a woman likes little girls then you are a gay or lesbian. Why promote thowing a fox in the henhouse if your so concerned?

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Herbal Essence January 29, 2011 at 08:44

Several years ago I stopped a little girl from running into a busy restaurant kitchen and handed the child back to the mother. If the same thing happened today I would let the kid run into the kitchen. If I’m presumed a pervert, then it’s not my responsibility to come to the rescue.

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Joe January 29, 2011 at 08:46

Over the years I’ve had several people imply that I’m a pedophile for the sole reason that I’m not married and I don’t spend time or money on women. I’m very open about my opinions of women and marriage, but they choose to disregard what I say and imagine something sinister. My opinions are dismissed without consideration. It used to bother me a little and I tried to put myself in their shoes. I can’t imagine a situation where I’d behave like them so I decided they’re just trash. You really do have to be a massive asshole to imply someone has committed this sort of crime when there is absolutely no evidence.

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Firepower January 29, 2011 at 08:47

Chuck Ross

I post this to make an example of Barnes and Noble.

This sounds like the mrm version of the dreaded “shaming language” epithet hurled frequently.

The time is coming when men will not stand for being considered criminals and being treated as such.

Really? Prophecy is good to know. Would you have any ballpark idea when that time arrives? I mean, if innocent men already tolerate being “considered criminals,” their tolerance actually signifies the Liberal-Feminist forces should be the ones declaring total victory over those who merely complain to the manager.

Barnes and Noble shouldn’t worry too much because that time is still a little ways off. At least for now, most men won’t heed the call,

Then – discussion over.

Am I outraged B&N discriminates? Yes.
However, if even tiny battles cannot be won against some lame bookseller, tackling an Evil Empire with Supreme power to tax, imprison and kill is so beyond the scope of reality of an Internet Outrage Campaign.

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anon January 29, 2011 at 08:47

There has already been at least one death of a child, where a man was too afraid to intervene: Day of the dad: paedophilia hysteria leaves men afraid to help.

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sharp January 29, 2011 at 08:51

From my own experience I had quite a few older women flirt with me growing up as a young boy and teen. They get away with it for a few reasons:

- It takes very little to excite boys and young men sexually, so women can do the most subtle things, like the famous bending down to pick something up and “accidentally” letting you see down their shirt, or when they also “accidentally” brush or press their boob against you.

- being that their flirting actions can be so subtle, they maintain plausible deniability and get away with tons of shit all throughout their life, particularly at the workplace. “Me? bending over on purpose so you can see down my shirt? You’re crazy! Little old innocent me?”

Then you become the pervert for looking down their shirt!

On the flip side, I’ve also had quite a few underage girls flirt with me as a man. No, I didn’t do anything about it, I just thought it was cute and innocent. The point is that we pretend boys and young men are horny little things and love when women flirt with them, older or not, but young girls are innocent little asexual angels. B.S.

I’ll even admit this: I have a sister three years older than me, and she flashed her boobs to me a few times growing up, and she also flirted with me. Now, it was just kids growing up, and I love my sister, but if it was the other way around, and I was the older one? I would be seen as some sort of sick creepy pervert.

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mananon January 29, 2011 at 08:56

Qae, I think you’re missing the point.

Calling someone a ‘mangina’ or a ‘feminazi’ may sound overly personal, but remember such attacks are directed against people who hold certain views. That’s different to your average feminist, who holds a grudge against people who simply have the ‘wrong’ chromosomes and ‘wrong’ genitalia.

The most extremist statements I’ve seen on this site are NOTHING compared to those of many feminists. Who can forget ‘all men are rapists and that’s all they are’?

Now that’s extreme!

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Gendeau January 29, 2011 at 09:00

Given how absolutely common it is on this very website to generalize and stereotype (“Feminazis and manginas have found that a cry of “It’s for the cheeeldren” is usually effective in bypassing any, or all logic. It also is quite useful for teh wimminz.”, for an example from a post above), it’s odd that we’d be offended when it’s done against us.

Interesting

How do you equate “Feminazis and Manginas do feminazi and mangina type things” with “all men are paedophiles”?

If you do feminazi stuff, you are a feminazi…that’s not generalising, is it?

“All men are violent”…that IS generalising.

I’ll admit that “its for the cheeldren” may be more a UK thing than a US one. So, maybe it’s more a sore-point for me than you. I don’t think ‘we’ have quite as strong a VAWA disgrace as ‘you’ (so far), so perhaps that doesn’t piss me off as much as it may you.

try googling “for the cheeldren” (try a few different numbers of ‘e’s) may be you’ll understand.

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Gendeau January 29, 2011 at 09:11

It’s also odd that one would react to it by appealing to authority (contacting managers and regional directors, etc.) and trying to use complaints and policies that are the very basis of much of what we claim to deplore to try to stop it. In cases like this, fighting fire with fire pretty much just guarantees more fire, if you see what I mean.

Sounds like ‘establishing the facts’ to me. Not really ‘appealing to authority’ at all. I’m more interested in knowing that it’s a B&N policy than some nut-job part-time employee’s pet idea. Then I can make the decision to take my trade elsewhere (though I’ve never seen a B&N in the UK, so not a great threat).

Just raising a stink could just get the cops called on you, the manager can then say that there’s no such policy – you just look like a nutter.

Get the facts, make the decisions and act (or not) on them. And tell all your mates, so they get to decide on the facts too.

I’m pretty sure that that is respectable ‘male’ behaviour…what, in your wisdom, would you recommend?

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Herbal Essence January 29, 2011 at 09:12

NWOSlave – “Why do feminist’s appear concerned about pedophiles on planes, trains and automobiles, yet openly berate the boy scout’s stance for banning gay scout masters?”

Of course, gay does not = pedophile.

But it is very clear that Feminists do not give a shit about the welfare of children. The abortion holocaust and mothers tearing children away from loving fathers proves that. Were feminists concerned about children’s safety, they would be celebrating good fathers and shaming single mothers who date thugs.

Feminists just want to drum up hysteria to make heterosexual males into pariahs. The actual safety of children is of little concern to them.

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Gendeau January 29, 2011 at 09:15

It seems the guy from the story sends lots of money at that store, and that’s going to stop. Certainly I won’t be shopping at that chain anymore myself. And that’s the point – as rational, strategic guys we need to hit these things where they hurt without making the evil system we’re fighting stronger. Getting the tacit policy changed or getting discounts on shopping or having a silly clerk or manager fired or transferred won’t make any real difference. Tainting their public image or hitting them right in the pocketbook will.

And maybe that’s our real strength – we know reality trumps wishful thinking. We just have to be sure to rub the wishful-thinkers’ noses in it. This works on a personal level as well as a societal one.

Absolutely no problem with that bit…have a nice day…in Waterstones (or whatever your alternative to B&N is)

Cheers

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mananon January 29, 2011 at 09:19

And another thing…

Let’s consider this site. Men (probably) who stick up for feminists here are likely called ‘mangina’ or ‘white knight’. How are they identified as such? By what they say. Now I’m not altogether sure I would use such terms but ultimately this is a site where men and women express themselves freely in a strongly pro mra way.

Now consider the bookstore. If the man had said ‘but I’m a feminist! I support women’s rights!’ would that have made a difference? I doubt it. He’s a man in the wrong part of the library. His political views don’t come into it. I’ts his sex that matters, nothing more.

That I think is the difference between a bit of flaming on an open web forum such as this and the routine sexism faced by men in the real world.

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Keyster January 29, 2011 at 09:21

“children [can] have every opportunity to develop the love and habits of reading that will keep our business viable in the future.”

If children are doing any reading “in the future” it’ll be from a computer screen and not something refferred to as a “book”. Barnes and Noble has bankruptcy written all over it.

As a middle aged single man I’m used to being leered at by parents anywhere there are children. It’s the “man as pedophile” hysteria that the feminist controlled mass media has created, (Chris Hanson, John Walsh, Law and Order: SVU, etc.). The constant drum beat of “men as perverted molestor” can’t be avoided, it’s good for ratings. “OMG, he could be living right next door to you!”

The goal is to villianize and then disenfranchise men from society, like a slow drip; while exalting women as gloriously pure at every turn. Don’t blame the idiotic woman at Barnes and Noble making $8.75 an hour, she’s just been indocrinated, as those weak of mind will be.

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Rebel January 29, 2011 at 09:39

The other day, I was watching the latest vid clip from Gerald Celente.
One of his predictions was that “Cyber war” would be the thing of tomorrow.

Barnes and Nobles seems, at least to me, to be a target of choice for cyber piracy.

With such a conduct on their part, I would say they are a beast, and the beast must be put out of commission.
That’s the way men must fight back: by systematically destroying their enemies. Or destroy the system itself.

The Red army defeated the Germans by burning everything down in their path. I suggest that this strategy is good for the Men’s movement.

Complaining about the status of the situation only makes matters worse.

Boycotting is not enough: elimination of the culprits is the only way to go.

Ref: “The Prince”.

It is of no use to fight feminism because it is an ideology. Their supporters are the ones that we need to get rid of.

There happens to exist an epidemic of bed bugs in many cities in N-A.
In many instances, the only way to get rid of the bugs is to burn the place down because the bugs resist all treatments. We are in such a situation now. None of our “insecticides” works.
The next step is then only logical.

Rome has to burn a second time…

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Qae January 29, 2011 at 09:40

Mananon said:

“The most extremist statements I’ve seen on this site are NOTHING compared to those of many feminists. Who can forget ‘all men are rapists and that’s all they are’?”

I won’t argue that point. But I will argue that saying “they did it first!” or “they do it too!”, or, lord help us, “they do it more!” is no excuse for stupidity or being less than we are.

If we’re better, we have to show it. We have to prove it by living and behaving and thinking better. Just because they sin a lot doesn’t mean we should or can sin a little.

I find this the most disturbing and disappointing aspect of the MRM. It’s frequently reactive and petty and self-righteous – some of the traits we think are among the worst to be found on the other side. Undoubtedly men have been hurt and ruined by women and our society, and much of the bitterness and rage are justified. Acting like them because of those things isn’t.

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Firepower January 29, 2011 at 10:03

Rebel January 29, 2011 at 09:39

Boycotting is not enough: elimination of the culprits is the only way to go.

Ref: “The Prince”.

It is of no use to fight feminism because it is an ideology. Their supporters are the ones that we need to get rid of.

You are correct. “Cyber War” is just that – an imaginary, ephemeral “war” that fades into oblivion when the latest outrage flares up.

It is the quintessential Bimbo Eruption – MRM style. Who cares (now) about Octomom, Gulf Oil Spill – even St. Gabby Giffords – now that we have a NEW n’ Exciting! ™ Outrage in the 24 hour cable news cycle.

Here’s what a Thinking Man does NOT do:

Keyster January 29, 2011 at 09:21

If children are doing any reading “in the future” it’ll be from a computer screen and not something refferred to as a “book”. Barnes and Noble has bankruptcy written all over it.

Not if the little Government-Educated darlings must by those Oprah books specified in their syllabuses.

As a middle aged single man I’m used to* being leered at by parents anywhere there are children.

*Enjoy that sweet, MRM smell of activist victory. It’s called acceptance aka complacency.

It’s the “man as pedophile” hysteria that the feminist controlled mass media has created, (Chris Hanson, John Walsh, Law and Order: SVU, etc.). The constant drum beat of “men as perverted molestor” can’t be avoided

If you readily admit the mrm is already “controlled” by your sworn enemy and “can’t be avoided” then you are doing…what? Oh – complaining loudly to the female B&N manger. Got it. Victory or Bust by 2085.

The goal is to villianize and then disenfranchise men from society, like a slow drip; while exalting women as gloriously pure at every turn.

Sorry. Already done. Long ago. Haven’t you noticed? More complaining, and describing the predicament – now THAT will ensure victory. Not.

Don’t blame the idiotic woman at Barnes and Noble making $8.75 an hour, she’s just been indocrinated, as those weak of mind will be.

So complaining to her about her EMPLOYER who puts food on her table accomplishes…what?

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ZenCo. January 29, 2011 at 10:07

After reading this, I’m going to my Barnes & Noble three times a week and sitting in the children’s section every time.
If I’m confronted I will hold my ground until the cops arrive. If I’m arrested and taken away in a big scene I will then sue their asses off. Big time.
It is unlawful in the US to discriminate on the basis of gender. Period.
I’ll see what happens.
This is what we all here need to do en masse and pronto.

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Jay Hammers January 29, 2011 at 10:16

I posted this at the main Reddit. Let’s see if it gets any attention.

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/fbesz/barnes_and_noble_kicks_father_out_of_the_kids/

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Keyster January 29, 2011 at 10:31

The cops can arrest you for “disorderly conduct” and detain you for up to 24 hours. B & N is a private business and has the right to refuse service to anyone it pleases; this would include asking you to leave the premises or be arrested for trespassing, which the cops will also do.

Now, if you had a contact at the local newspaper or better yet TV station, the “scene” you’d create would get some traction and maybe worth the hassle and expense. Be aware though that: a) B & N might advertise with them and b) Whoever controls what get’s printed or broadcast will NOT be sympathetic to a man protesting not being able to sit in the children’s section of a book store. You’ll be branded a “kook” and the cops will have you on record as such.

Think the cuntsequences through.

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Gendeau January 29, 2011 at 10:31

hmmmm, so I guess quoting gets your comments thrown into moderation?

Or, are there some hangover network / database issues?

just askin’. I’m well aware of what tech issues can do to your day

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F.M.R January 29, 2011 at 10:32

This instantly recalled to mind stories of yesteryear when anyone colored was not allowed in the library.

Its interesting how history repeats itself, no matter how much we “learn” from it.

Firepower

It is the quintessential Bimbo Eruption – MRM style. Who cares (now) about Octomom, Gulf Oil Spill – even St. Gabby Giffords – now that we have a NEW n’ Exciting! ™ Outrage in the 24 hour cable news cycle.

Yes firepower, we do not always report on every small thing that happens with octomom- you can read a few old US weekly magazines for that if youd like. And no, we dont always report on old news- It changes every day, you see.

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ZenCo. January 29, 2011 at 10:41

I see your point Keyster but I’m going to do it anyway.
I believe someone needs to make a reasonable and peaceful stand against this type of blatant discrimination and I guess that person is me.
Also, I believe that B&N can refuse service to anyone but I’m pretty sure they can’t based on gender. Maybe I’ll find out.
I’d like the claim of ‘disorderly conduct’ to hold up in court when all I’m doing is sitting quietly and reading!

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Uncle Elmer January 29, 2011 at 10:54

http://freebookspot.in/

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Uncle Elmer January 29, 2011 at 10:57

Reminds me of a funny story.

I was around 11-12 (1969) and driving through St.Louis with my old man. Saw a bight yellow building with the sign “Adult Books”.

Thinking it was full of art, history, and science books, I said “Dad! Adult books! Let’s stop and check it out!”

He just laughed. “What’s so funny?” I asked. He never told me.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) January 29, 2011 at 11:06

OT..but with 16M views it’s worth putting how a man deals with adversity into a place like this. Gents. A heartwarming vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc4HGQHgeFE&feature=player_embedded

PS. Can any man here imagine a woman being able to face life like this man in the same situation….No? Why I am not surprised.

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Richard P-Man January 29, 2011 at 11:10

I sometimes browse the children’s section.

There is a bar close to the BN here, and I get smashed, then I go and read one of the “Walter the Farting Dog” books.

Those books are funny beyond anything when you are smashed.

I guess I look too non-threatening or something – nobody has ever approached me – BUT -I am done with BN if they do have a policy as you describe…

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Firepower January 29, 2011 at 11:15

F.M.R

Yes firepower, we do not always report on every small thing that happens with octomom- you can read a few old US weekly magazines for that if youd like. And no, we dont always report on old news- It changes every day, you see.

Report?
That is what you call it?

You whine and complain.
You treat the symptom – like giving cough syrup to a lung cancer patient every time there’s a flare-up.

btw, if I wanted to read of Octomom, I’d go to any MRM site archive during the controversy and read the wailing of internet keyboard warriors on how “this bitch is destroying American men!” ad nauseum.

You and I are going to be good friends here.
I can’t wait.

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LIBOR January 29, 2011 at 11:16

I’m from the area and can tell you, from personal experience, there is a single father hysteria that supersedes the regular single man around kids nonsense throughout West Plano and the Far far North Dallas area.

When my son was going to public school, there was always this eye of suspicion on me everytime I went to eat lunch or even walk to pick him up from school. I am thankful to their behavior and attitude because it has helped me to recognize the tyrannical and generally anti-male nature of nearly all government institutions.

My son and I are very thankful for the insight and my time consuming reflection of my various experiences. My son has been home-schooled for years now and I restructured my businesses much to the disappointment of the various taxing entities and feminist/women only interest groups and government programs.

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Keyster January 29, 2011 at 11:19

ZenCo. – Here’s the likely scenerio:

You sit there, they ask you to leave, you say “no, I refuse”, they call the cops, the cops ask you to leave, you say “no”. If they have to physically remove you (you don’t obey their commands), that’s considered “disorderly conduct”. (This is VERY dependent on what the cops who show up are like, what kind of mood they’re in.) At that time B & N can have a restraining order placed on you to not enter their premises, and if you do they’ll have you arrested for trespassing.

A single man who insists on sitting in the childrens section to read will NOT be greeted with admiration and bravery for exposing a misandrist business policy. If you can afford to really screw up your life for a while, do it. But make sure you do it right.

A better alternative would be threatening to sue B & N, but you’d have to prove they discriminate against men. It would have to be a written policy. A slick dude, would take a hidden camera (w/mic) in and record getting asked to leave the childrens section and record discussions with management explaining their policy. T-H-E-N ya gotta case! Documented proof is everything, video is even better. Lemme know if ya need a hand.

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Pierce Harlan January 29, 2011 at 11:27

Excellent post. It is my belief that most people are fair-minded, and when they hear of things like this, they are offended. Someone at B & N’s corporate offices will certainly see this, and pass it along.

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Uncle Elmer January 29, 2011 at 11:29

If you have a babe with you, you can go almost anywhere. It’s like having a pass to the magic kingdom. Which is why I like going to the teen panty store with my mail-order bride. Can just stand around without the usual insolence from hot young chicks.

If I buy a pair, I always joke with the cashier, “Don’t bother to wrap, I’ll eat them here.”

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F.M.R January 29, 2011 at 11:29

Report?
That is what you call it?

You whine and complain.
You treat the symptom – like giving cough syrup to a lung cancer patient every time there’s a flare-up.

“whine and complain” eh? What do you suppose we should do, Firepower? The success of the MRM lies now in how many people we can get on our side. In order to get people on our side, we have to show people the injustices that are happening.

I know! We can march on Washington itself, all 1000 of us! That will show them!

What better way to bring people to our cause than, as you might put it, “whine and complain?” Or as I might put it “Report on instances of misandry and not be at all shocked when people are upset about it”.

We are not at a stage where we can do much action yet; we cant put the cart before the horse. But if you think we have more viable alternatives, by all means. I give you the floor.

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white and nerdy January 29, 2011 at 11:36

I avoid almost anything having to do with children for this reason. Being a single male with minimal female contact (outside of the obvious like my mom) I’m a target for this sort of thing. Plus I find children incredibly annoying.

That’s no reason to not fight back. I have fought back against women in several cases and won. It is possible.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) January 29, 2011 at 11:41

Keyster January 29, 2011 at 10:31
“The cops can arrest you for “disorderly conduct” and detain you for up to 24 hours.”

No Keyster, they can’t. They can only do this if you tell them you are an imbecelic slave that needs state supervision by confessing to your NAME. If you are a sovereign, like me, and you are not an imbecelic slave, like most men? You can inform the policy enforcement officers you have no contract with them and wish them a good day. You can point out to them that in order for them to have the lawful right to take you to a magistrate to determine if you should be held they have to have WITNESSED you commit a crime or have a WITNESS that is willing to testify to the magistrate under oath that you have committed a common law crime. (I am talking common law lands.) You can inform them that if they kidnap you that you retain the right to charge them for their crime and if they do not pay the charge then they are subject to justice as you define it to be up to and including deadly force at your time of choosing. See how they take that. ;-)

THEY say “ignorance of the law is no excuse” for YOU. Well? It is also NO excuse for the ‘law enforcement community’ which is really the POLICY enforcement community of a private corporation.

As long as men like you propagate the FALSE belief that the cops ‘can arrest you’ then you are propagating the idea of being an imbecelic slave. Aren’t we supposed to be ‘piercing the shield of ignorance’ around here?

Pretty much every man here is pig ignorant of the law and they remain committed to their pig ingorance despite all I put in here. Here’s a newsflash. There is STILL NO WARRANT out for my stawmans arrest in ANY jurisdiction. How about that? Aren’t you wondering why yet? It’s not like I am hiding. And it’s been OVER A YEAR since I walked into a court on a family law matter and VIDEO RECORDED IT. You would think that if it is a crime they might have DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT BY NOW. Don’t you?

Ditto for putting all those court orders and transcript on my web page. You would think that IF IT WAS A CRIME they would have DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Is there not a man here intelligent enough yet to figure out that since the Australian and Irish guvments have done NOTHING about me naming magistrates and judges and putting their ‘confidential’ documents on line for ALL TO SEE then it must be that I DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME. Wow. Men here really don’t want to listen to the truth, do you.

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Firepower January 29, 2011 at 11:42

F.M.R January 29, 2011 at 11:29

Firepower

Report?
That is what you call it?

You whine and complain.
You treat the symptom – like giving cough syrup to a lung cancer patient every time there’s a flare-up

What better way to bring people to our cause than, as you might put it, “whine and complain?” Or as I might put it “Report on instances of misandry and not be at all shocked when people are upset about it”..

You treat a disagreement like a personal dispute; I have no time for Gen Zero Kids and their ADD timeouts.

You adding a backslap for yet another tedious recounting/rehashing of The Latest Outrage Done to Good Men does nothing. You think life is a Rage Against the Machine “activism” concert/rage.

Surely, if hundreds of accounts of injustice can’t appeal to “thinking” males sense of motivation – nothing can. One more outrage post with the predictable accompaniment of “yeah – that sucks, man!” won’t do it.

The definition of insanity is…what? Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. Like the daily gripefest of outraged alimony payers.

Besides, I already told you what to do. Don’t treat the symptoms. Treat the fucking disease.

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Firepower January 29, 2011 at 11:45

I mean, people – come on.

If Illegals can march and force their way into being granted citizenship and free welfare for life, how wimpy must today’s Zachary be to CONTINUALLY take it up the ass from Liberals? From Government?

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Rebel January 29, 2011 at 11:51

@Keyster
“A better alternative would be threatening to sue B & N, but you’d have to prove they discriminate against men. It would have to be a written policy. A slick dude, would take a hidden camera (w/mic) in and record getting asked to leave the childrens section and record discussions with management explaining their policy. T-H-E-N ya gotta case! Documented proof is everything, video is even better. Lemme know if ya need a hand.”

Congrats! This is a proper way to do it. Your way is far more “civilized” than mine, I admit.
But it can cost lots of money and it doesn’t really solve the problem. Besides, they have an army of lawyers: your enemy is in a position to defend itself. The likely outcome is a net loss for you.

I still prefer the Trojan horse approach: if it is done with stealth, they will never know where the shots come from and they will not be in a position to defend themselves: that’s where you want your enemy to be.

Ref: Carl Von Clausewitz- total warfare.

I like permanent solutions.

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Firepower January 29, 2011 at 12:02

Chuck Ross on January 29, 2011

My brother posted this on Facebook after an incident at the Preston and Park Barnes and Noble in Plano, Texas.

This USED TO BE cowboy country. Marlboro Man country. Plano never used to be San Francisco or hold its values. Plano is not Berkeley. At least it wasn’t…long ago.

Now, the infection has gone deep into the bone while “activists” natter on the net.

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alpha January 29, 2011 at 12:10

[[If Illegals can march and force their way into being granted citizenship and free welfare for life, how wimpy must today’s Zachary be to CONTINUALLY take it up the ass from Liberals? From Government?]]

Did they force their way in? or were they invited in?
and either way, how does that effect the plight of heterosexual males?

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Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech January 29, 2011 at 12:12

Complaints against B&N (or whoever else) do have value because men need to register that we’re not taking these things lying down. It won’t change anything but they might think twice when it comes to the next time.

While I’m all for a boycott of B&N, I don’t know how well it would work. I haven’t bought anything from B&N for years. In most cases where a store or producer of a product is misandarist in their advertising or their policies, it turns out I don’t patronize that store or buy that product in the first place. It’s usually because I had no need of it in the first place. That’s no surprise since women perform 85% of consumer spending. I suspect a lot of other men here run into the same problem. We need a strategy to fight back but boycotts aren’t going to be effective.

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universe January 29, 2011 at 12:13

Rebel

There happens to exist an epidemic of bed bugs in many cities in N-A.
In many instances, the only way to get rid of the bugs is to burn the place down because the bugs resist all treatments. We are in such a situation now. None of our “insecticides” works.
The next step is then only logical.

– Bed-bugs also perish quite effectively to the heat treatment method. They literally come out of the woodwork and rush toward a large heat producing machine. By the time the bugs reach momma they are completely dehydrated and thus die.
I suggest that at times we can do the same with our favourite human blood suckers by turning up the heat of rhetoric. They love and can’t resist an argument and considering theirs are mostly baseless and ours are gathering steam, death to their assumed moral superiority will be the result.
Hear that, feminist parasite? Your host has a cure for you. Come to poppa.

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Rebel January 29, 2011 at 12:19

Read the second chapter: “The Nature of Future Wars”

Very informative.

http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj96/fall96/new-lar.html

This is one we will have to fight, wether we like it or not.

Our cause is a perfect example of asymmetry.

Our enemy: anyone who speaks Misandric. (a female generated language)

When it comes to misandry, my fuse is short. Nobody around me dares speak Misandric in my presence lest I become angry because I take it as a personal attack on my integrity as a man.

Don’t let anybody insult you because of your gender. It’s unacceptable.
And you have every right to get mad as hell. Being nice stinks! It will get you nowhere other than in hell. It will get you to be treated like dirt.

Don’t try to be loved: rather, make them fear your wrath.

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Keyster January 29, 2011 at 12:23

@ Peter-Andrew:Nola, aka Global Man
You’re not familiar with how law enforcement is conducted in the USA. Reciting all that BS will do nothing but piss cops off here. At a minimum they’ll hold you for “mental health evaluation”. If you piss a cop off they can and will find ways to f*ck with you. It’s their ego. We give cops a lot of leeway here to do things with bad people. We sacrifice some rights for it ourselves sometimes. Plus we let them carry guns here.

@Rebel

But it can cost lots of money and it doesn’t really solve the problem. Besides, they have an army of lawyers: your enemy is in a position to defend itself. The likely outcome is a net loss for you.

Imagine how priceless a video taped recording of Mr. Ross’ brother and his wife’s experience would be. Put it on YouTube, watch it go viral and then the MSM has no choice but to cover it. Revolutions take revolutionary tactics. THEN watch B & N “spokespersons” get all wrapped around the axle trying to explain it as “isolated to that store” and the “manager has been disiplined”, and “that’s not our policy”, etc.

A video camera brought down ACORN.
Don’t underestimate your power when you have a video evidence.
And people LOVE video!

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MobilePT January 29, 2011 at 12:40

@Keyster: “A slick dude, would take a hidden camera (w/mic) in and record getting asked to leave the childrens section and record discussions with management explaining their policy. T-H-E-N ya gotta case! Documented proof is everything, video is even better. Lemme know if ya need a hand.”

I have a pocket t-shirt (black w/ white lettering) that says “Video/Audio Recording in Progress” (Where I live, it’s illegal to record others without notice). I modified the pocket to have a port for the camera on my smart phone so that I can turn on video or audio recording and slip it in my pocket.

@Rebel: “But it can cost lots of money and it doesn’t really solve the problem. Besides, they have an army of lawyers: your enemy is in a position to defend itself.”

The key is to keep the conflict as asymmetrical as possible. It will only take a bit of time to file the complaint, but frequently will cause the company to start some lawyer’s billing meter whirring . Be sure and cc someone high enough up the chain so that the individual in need of corrective feedback/career counseling can’t round-file the matter. Smile, be pleasant, factual, and ask questions rather than making statements.

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ZenCo. January 29, 2011 at 12:41

I like your tactics Keyster. There’s a spy store near me that sells all kinds of hidden video cameras realtively cheaply.
I’m going to do this with a camera in my lapel button hole and see what happens.
It sure beats taking this crap lying down.

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Dr. Pill January 29, 2011 at 12:57

How about making a website dedicated to exposing anti-male companies? It would also serve as an avoid-list for us enlightened males.

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Anon January 29, 2011 at 13:09

Imagine how priceless a video taped recording of Mr. Ross’ brother and his wife’s experience would be. Put it on YouTube, watch it go viral and then the MSM has no choice but to cover it. Revolutions take revolutionary tactics. THEN watch B & N “spokespersons” get all wrapped around the axle trying to explain it as “isolated to that store” and the “manager has been disiplined”, and “that’s not our policy”, etc.

A video camera brought down ACORN.
Don’t underestimate your power when you have a video evidence.
And people LOVE video!

Fuck,go all Rosa Parks on them. Sit down and refuse to move,start up a hunger strike while you’re there. Discrimination against men isn’t a big deal for them. Make it a big deal.

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F.M.R January 29, 2011 at 13:15

You treat a disagreement like a personal dispute; I have no time for Gen Zero Kids and their ADD timeouts. You adding a backslap for yet another tedious recounting/rehashing of The Latest Outrage Done to Good Men does nothing. You think life is a Rage Against the Machine “activism” concert/rage.

Forgive me, but you are the one attacking me personally, resorting to namecalling, and all other things I would expect from a “Gen Zero Kid with an ADD timeout”. You say we are a bunch of complainers. I then try to reason that theres not much more we can do at the moment than fit your definition of “complaining”. Then, you presume to tell me im treating the discussion personally from one side of your mouth and proceed to hurl less than high-school level insults at me out the other. How does that work?

If Illegals can march and force their way into being granted citizenship and free welfare for life, how wimpy must today’s Zachary be to CONTINUALLY take it up the ass from Liberals? From Government?

Illegals are also roughly 11 million strong, and while they dont all move at once, these huge numbers make a bit more impression than the 500-1000 we have currently willing to do the same.

If you doubt that the MRA will do very much, that is one thing. If you dont think we are doing enough, that is another. constructive criticism is good. Constructive criticism is NOT telling us to “treat the fucking disease”, as you so eloquently put it. Thats about as nebulous as “man up”. What does that mean? Does that mean that, since the government enables feminism, we should attempt to overthrow our government? Does it mean we should attack feminists directly? Does it mean we should simply leave our country? Do I even need to point out that a lot of men here are expats and that this advice is some of the first to come out of our mouths?

But if your only goal here is to antagonize everything anybody does, and then antagonize the people who associate with it, then there is no point in us wasting words anymore. Kindly let me know your only goal in being here is to scoff at us, if thats the case.

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TFH January 29, 2011 at 13:25

When women assume men are child molesters, that is yet another example of projection.

Which gender is the one pushing late-term abortions? Which gender is the one pushing laws to allow a mother to kill a child even after birth? Which gender believes that excluding the parent of the other gender from the upbringing of the child is acceptable?

Women are projecting their hatred of children onto men.

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TFH January 29, 2011 at 13:27

If this sort of thing makes you angry, channel your rage into some legwork to post flyers :

You know the drill :
http://www.singularity2050.com/2011/01/the-time-has-arrived.html

You have it within your power to take action. Posting flyers is a very amplified action. If you cannot take this action, you cannot expect others to take actions that YOU would benefit from.

Don’t get mad, get an army.

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Rebel January 29, 2011 at 13:55

@TFH

“If this sort of thing makes you angry, channel your rage into some legwork to post flyers”

Your message is not lost.

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Avenger January 29, 2011 at 13:59

Keyster writes-B & N is a private business and has the right to refuse service to anyone it pleases
It may be a private business but it’s a store and open to the public just like a restaurant etc and under the laws relating to discrimination they can’t just tell a person to leave without good cause. This is not the children’s section of a library with the little chairs iontended for kids where there are just kids or kids with a guardian. This is a retail book store where people may shop in the children’s section to buy them books. They may sit down and look through some books they have chosen to see which one they want. What’s next? Are you going to prohibit men from going the the kid’s clothes section of a store to buy something for a kid? Or the toy section?
The real problem here is that you have allowed females and their natural paranoia to run amok. Next they’ll want streets where kids live to be single man free.
In the past it was the kids who were segregated so that they wouldn’t annoy adults. Kids traveling without adults on a plane had to sit up front and the stewardess had to watch them.

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Anonymous age 68 January 29, 2011 at 14:05

>>If we’re better, we have to show it. We have to prove it by living and behaving and thinking better. Just because they sin a lot doesn’t mean we should or can sin a little.

I just wrote on the Disciplined Rhetoric how well that logic works. The blacks in the US took that approach, and for 100 years were harassed; raped; lynched; forced to live in tents outside of towns; and lots more. When X talked automatic firepower, suddenly the racists I knew decided to shut their mouths.

The Jews in Germany took that approach, too. Worked out really well for them.

Also, read the Declaration of Independence of the US. It does not say we are going to live better and more holy. It says we have begged for mercy for years, and have been ignored, therefore we have the right to take down our government.

You lets be nice guys think you have a better way of doing things. That approach has been proved decades ago not to work. Get a life.

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Anonymous age 68 January 29, 2011 at 14:06

Let me add one word for those who recommend refusing to obey a cop who tells you to leave. TASER.

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TFH January 29, 2011 at 14:40

Your message is not lost.

Thanks.

But we need to DO it. I go out and do it every week. A few others do to. It is already having some effect.

Some of the other comments here seem to be asked ‘what can we do’. Well, there is something each of us can do, which has an amplifed, asymmetrical impact for minimal effort.

Every time you get annoyed by misandry………. Go out and POST flyers right above urinals.

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Chuck January 29, 2011 at 14:48

Keyster:

B & N is a private business, and objectively I do agree that private businesses should be able to discriminate against any customer they want. But as the laws stand today, private businesses can’t discriminate against minorities, women, fat people, homosexuals, etc.

“Equal protection under the law” is dependent on what “law” entails at the time. And since the law currently says that businesses can’t discriminate in that way (they can price discriminate in certain ways), then men deserve equal protection.

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Keyster January 29, 2011 at 14:49

…and under the laws relating to discrimination they can’t just tell a person to leave without good cause.

Yes they can.
Laws relating to discrimination are for employment. Any business establishment reserves the right to refuse service to anyone. Proving that they’re discriminating against you because you’re a part of a protected class is a civil matter, not legal.

If you wanted to sue them for discrimination you’d need to be able to demonstrate a consistent pattern of it over time, and get a jury to buy it.

Laws are not always fair and sometimes don’t make any sense, but it’s important to understand them. If the legal system was more basic, we wouldn’t need lawyers to help us through it.

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Chuck January 29, 2011 at 15:02

Qae:

It’s also odd that one would react to it by appealing to authority (contacting managers and regional directors, etc.) and trying to use complaints and policies that are the very basis of much of what we claim to deplore to try to stop it.

Nothing gets changed if you don’t appeal to managers. And personally, I’m not coming at this from a “Barnes and Noble is evil” frame of mind. They are merely carrying out what is completely acceptable behavior in normal society: that is, demonizing men for the sake of women and children. Even if the safety measures are completely irrational and offensive.

But it highlights that our own reactions can drive that nasty wheel forward, by putting responsibility for correction back on society or the community or whatever authority we’re appealing to.

I’m not following you. What you say here seems to contradict what you say below.

It seems the guy from the story sends lots of money at that store, and that’s going to stop.

He intends to stop. I plan on contacting the store at some point in the future to see if their policy is in place. If they report back to me that their policy has changed, then I’ll let everyone know on my own blog. But I firmly believe in the concept of feedback – for myself and others. I like it when people tell me what I’m doing wrong so that I can fix it (I also like it when they tell me what I’m doing right.) The best way for us men to handle this situation is to provide feedback for why any of us aren’t going to shop at B&N. We aren’t shopping for a reason *and we should communicate that reason to them*.

Certainly I won’t be shopping at that chain anymore myself. And that’s the point – as rational, strategic guys we need to hit these things where they hurt without making the evil system we’re fighting stronger. Getting the tacit policy changed or getting discounts on shopping or having a silly clerk or manager fired or transferred won’t make any real difference. Tainting their public image or hitting them right in the pocketbook will.

See above. I agree. The sad truth, though, is that this isn’t about systematic misandry within just B&N. This could very well take place at any other business, and I’m sure it does. B&N just happens to be the one who got caught in this instance.

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Chuck January 29, 2011 at 15:06

firepower:

Really? Prophecy is good to know. Would you have any ballpark idea when that time arrives?

My crystal ball told me 2.7 years.

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Chuck January 29, 2011 at 15:11

Firepower:

Now, the infection has gone deep into the bone while “activists” natter on the net.

Cool. So you natter at natterers? Do you ever plan on contributing in any certain way or do you just want to continue pointing out how none of us are contributing enough?

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Greg January 29, 2011 at 15:32

“Lawyers, professionals, fathers, and even the current mayor of London were vilified under the auspices of child safety.” While you rightly condemn anti-male discrimination, you seem to be implying that professional and/or high status men should be considered intrinsically more trustworthy than other, lower status and/or working class, men. Perhaps you could reflect on your own potential bias here.

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WGMOW January 29, 2011 at 15:55

I was ready to make a decision on whether I give Amazon or Barnes & Noble my business. This article decided it for me: I will go with Amazon and will not longer do any business – NO BUSINESS – with Barnes and Noble. And I will let them know of my decision and the reason behind my decision. And I hope all supporters of the Mens’ Rights movement will do likewise.

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Dr. Pill January 29, 2011 at 15:59

Why is my comment still locked in moderation?

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TFH January 29, 2011 at 16:13

I have said it many times :

Misandry is the new Jim Crow.

The parallels are eerie. I could list at least 10 ways that the two are the same.

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Chuck January 29, 2011 at 16:15

Greg:

that’s a good point. Thinking back, the reason I wrote it that way was because of the information I read on the Wikipedia entry on the subject. I believe it was a lawyer who brought the case to attention, and there was also documentation that some fathers were forced (or attempted to be forced) from seats next to their own children.

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Qae January 29, 2011 at 16:26

Anonymous Age 68 Said:

“You lets be nice guys think you have a better way of doing things. That approach has been proved decades ago not to work. Get a life.”

I never said be “nice”, I said be better. I said hypocricy and irrationality are traits of the opposition and should be abhorred. Now that I’ve cleared that up for you, let me know if you’d like to have an actual conversation. Until then, you and Firepower can go complain about how everyone else has it wrong and is completely useless in a corner together somewhere.

I found the initial post useful in that it has real world information – it has a recent example of wrongheaded discrimination with a concrete perpetrator against whom actions may be taken (whatever those might be; personal or concerted boycotts, urinal stickers, whatever).

Part of the process is figuring out how to handle such situations, and as a very small group just starting to push back, this must also impact on our coalescing identity. Which is why I am concerned that we not be irrational or hypocritical or womanish. If we allow those sorts of traits (even in posting responses to a blog) we are guaranteeing their acceptable presence forever.

Whining and irrationality and the constant demands and that little-miss-can’t-be-wrong attitude seems ubiquitous in most places. It’s even here.

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TFH January 29, 2011 at 16:55

WGMOW,

Good to have you here.

Remember, the single most powerful thing you can do is to tell MEN, yes, MEN, about what you know about misandry, feminism, etc.

Don’t bother arguing with other women at all. But if a woman talks about how misandry is bad, a lot of ordinary men will take note. It should not be that way, but it is.

So go and tell me what you know. Then send them links.

You have the power to do a great deal to damage feminism.

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fmz January 29, 2011 at 17:00

You still buy books?

From bookstores?

Let those old world businesses and their twatty dependent employees starve.

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TFH January 29, 2011 at 17:04

*So go and tell MEN what you know.

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AntZ January 29, 2011 at 17:11

“… The time is coming when men will not stand for being considered criminals and being treated as such. Barnes and Noble shouldn’t worry too much because that time is still a little ways off …”

I do not think this is true. Geometric growth rates, such as those that characterize membership and participation in MRMs, can cover an incredible amount of distance in a very short time. With MRM activity growing at rates that approach 50% per year, a short amount of time will needed until every company that wants to stay in business will have a department dedicated to equal treatment of men.

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TFH January 29, 2011 at 17:33

With MRM activity growing at rates that approach 50% per year,

That is why I am banging the drum on posting flyers under the URLs@Urinals campaign. We can push the growth into the steep part of the S-Curve in a matter of months if we just aggregate 1000 hours of flyer-posting.

Tonight, I am going to an event with my gf. I am going to post a suitable flyer in the men’s room (post-its this time, to make it fast).

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Traveller January 29, 2011 at 17:46

The book as a paper and glue and ink is dead.

It survives as an object of collection or for historical purposes, but the future is clear: paper is not anymore the way to transmit information.

The first thing to do is boycott any business discriminating men, small or big the effect could be.

I would never venture in a children section of any place, as someone said, I am annoyed by children and their high pitch noise. None of my friends has any, or wants any (if someone spends a good word about the idea of having children, I readily criticize them – this is easy, if they want continue to have same freedom and same lifestyle).

I would any cinema and restaurant would enclose them in a separate area. It is also true a bad child is caused by bad parents, who do not care is their child harass near people. And it is funny the usual way to deal with children is keep them in a separate area, instead of educating them to behave in a civil society.

If you date a girl/woman, look for her attitude towards children. If it is too positive, run.

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Human-Stupidity.com January 29, 2011 at 18:11

I have a skill of getting vilified wherever I go. So let us see if I will get vilified here.

It is not Barnes and Noble’s fault. They just follow the general trend and legislation. They did not cause the pedophilia hysteria. The law, the press caused it.

I even defend Walmart for turning in a woman for developing photos of her little baby in the bath tub.

http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/child-porn-baby-bath-pictures

It is not Walmart’s fault. They just follow the law and procedure. The law, the general pedophile and child porn hysteria and laws, these are to blame.

Should you raise hell with Barnes and Noble? Hell, yes. You have to start somewhere.
Just understand the poor manager. As long as feminists and brainwashed police scream much louder then you (and me), what are they supposed to do?

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Avenger January 29, 2011 at 18:18

Keyster-you do not have to prove any pattern of discrimination to sue for being refused service from a business. I’d let the minimum wage female clerk call the cops. When they arrived I would just say that I’m a customer in the store and that I have no idea why the female worker began harassing me and telling me to leave. The cops would then have to ask her why she did what she did and it would become part of their report. If the cops told me to leave after hearing this than I would just go but now since a government entity was involved I could sue in Federal Court for a violation of my civil rights. To say the least the city won’t be too happy about this and Barnes and Noble won’t like the bad publicity. They’d end up settling with me for some money.

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Chuck January 29, 2011 at 19:05

Human Stupidity:

I agree with your comments. B&N managers are scared of litigation at some point or from news stories of pedophiles in the kids section harming their business. As the store manager said to me in an email – they have to balance many different interests. I understand the problem, and this is merely a “teachable moment” for them.

They can’t just assume that us regular Joes are going to let these things roll off our backs without thinking twice about it.

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Unamused January 29, 2011 at 19:50

Human Stupidity: “I have a skill of getting vilified wherever I go. So let us see if I will get vilified here.”
Then I’ll preface this by saying I do not intend to vilify you. But I am going to disagree with you.

“It is not Barnes and Noble’s fault. They just follow the general trend and legislation. They did not cause the pedophilia hysteria. The law, the press caused it.”
I agree that they didn’t start the hysteria. I hold them accountable anyway. A real man—whether it’s a judge, a journalist, or a B&N manager—thinks for himself, makes his own decisions, and accepts the consequences.

“It is not Walmart’s fault. They just follow the law and procedure. The law, the general pedophile and child porn hysteria and laws, these are to blame.”
I disagree, but only with the first sentence. Even though Walmart is just following the law, they are still responsible for their actions. If a law is wrong, if it locks up innocent parents, then obeying that law is wrong. Easier, safer, but wrong.

“Should you raise hell with Barnes and Noble? Hell, yes. You have to start somewhere. Just understand the poor manager. As long as feminists and brainwashed police scream much louder then you (and me), what are they supposed to do?”
Now this is very different from saying it’s not the manager’s fault. I can understand the manager’s fear of being fired, or sued, or indeed vilified. But that’s the difference between doing what’s right and doing what’s easy. I think one of the points of the Spearhead is to say what’s right, regardless of what the feminists may be screaming, or how hard they try to frighten some poor B&N manager.

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singledad January 29, 2011 at 22:25

There are a lot of people out there who believes that single guys can become fathers and raise children just as well as married couples. Being a single father is a big deal, obviously they have to fill in the role of both the father and the mother. Learn more:

financial help for single Dads

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Ramses January 29, 2011 at 23:10

Men- the only way you will starve the feminist bacteria to death is by taking up a
traditional religon- preferrably Islam – and marrying Muslim women (truly international).

Nothing else can stop the infection!

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Ramses January 29, 2011 at 23:19

I was walking past a 5 or 6 year old at a supermarket and noticed he was playing with the coffee grinder (sticking a spoon into it or maybe his fingers). Do you think I interfered?

Heck NO – I just told an older lady who was a few feet away and kept on trucking.

It’s not my business to play good Samaritan and then get burned for it (In a different scenario- maybe Latin America, Southern Europe, or the Middle East) – I would have probably grabbed the kid out of harm’s way but not in this disgusting society.

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alpha January 30, 2011 at 02:12

hey TFH,would you recommend this URLs @Urinals in Indian cities?

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Gorbachev January 30, 2011 at 02:44

The child molestation thing was a moral panic. It was blown way out of proportion.

And only men were blamed.

I personally know 6 men who were molested by their mothers. All were from different cultures – even different continents.

But only men are dangerous, of course.

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escaped slave January 30, 2011 at 05:15

Let’s face it. B&N doesn’t care about men’s spending power. They aren’t real customers. All of men’s wealth has been exproporiated by women so they have less spendng power than even children.

Gay men are a much more important demographic than straight married men who are essentially chattel, owned by their wives who keep them on a tight leash.

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Robert in Arabia January 30, 2011 at 08:13

I prefer the term feminasties to the term feminazis.
“A tale of two societies”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlIQ8lPO1Sg

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David K. Meler January 30, 2011 at 10:04

The chickens will come home to roost, VERY soon!

There are already cases coming to light where children are being abducted, kidnapped, and abused, where men (who would otherwise be in a good position to help, or even to have prevented these tragedies) stand aside, precisely because it is they–NOT the bad guys–who are taken to task for trying to help.

Sowing the wind, these self-appointed child advocates are beginning to to reap a whirlwind! I am certainly glad that I am not a child today!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

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Valerie January 30, 2011 at 11:01

I have steered clear of children’s section/playgrounds, etc since my kids are grown & I’m a grandma. Unless the boys are w me. I hesitate to speak to a child because I’m concerned some parent will attack me or start screaming at me out of fear. K. I’m a scary looking Grandma. But I felt that way before I got scary looking. I think it’s sad. One day at the mall this tiny child was walking in the crowd & I didn’t see any adults so I loudly & sternly asked, Are U alone? The mom rushed right up & grabbed the kid & said, No he’s not. I was relieved for the kid. If I had been there w Ur family at B&N, I’d have told them the wife was expecting. I would have probably said, very loudly, that our child wouldn’t be going to B&N to buy books nor us. I would kill to protect my kids. Even now they are grown. But I’d make those effers apologize to Ur brother. They’d have to offer to give me & mine books before I’d go there again. Thank U for sharing this story. I’m not going shopping at B&N again.

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TFH January 30, 2011 at 12:46

hey TFH,would you recommend this URLs @Urinals in Indian cities?

Well, yes, except :

i) In India, not enough people use the web.
ii) Not too many people are (yet) affected by misandric laws. Divorce is rare, as are rape cases, etc. Most unmarried women still live with their parents.
iii) Public restrooms tend to be particularly disgusting.

But you could still do it. It certainly could not hurt.

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Avenger January 30, 2011 at 14:03

Chuck-managers are just low ranking workers. If you really want to do something then buy a share or whatever of Barnes and Noble stock and attend the next shareholder’s meeting. You can then hand out sheets to the other shareholders telling them about this discrimination against men and how it’s making them lose business and leaving them open to lawsuits. You can even get up and give a little speech if you choose. These meetings are generally only attended by the top shareholders but anyone who owns shares can attend. You can use this same method with any co. that discriminates against men and whose stock is public.
Men are entitled to redress the government for their grievances but I doubt if the average man without connexions would be able to see his representation or senator at the Congress. He’d have to catch his Congressman when he’s at his office in his district but even that’s not going to mean much.
You can hire a licensed lobbyist who has access to these politicians who represent people who want to redress the government and they’re likely to be listened to since the politician knows they represent people who have the money to effect his reelection.

Get me a 100k men and have them put in only $100 each (that’s $10m) and I’ll get you all the access you want. The problem with men is that 99.9% are just spinning their wheels on blogs.

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WGMOW January 30, 2011 at 15:28

@TFH January 29, 2011 at 16:55
“WGMOW,
Good to have you here. Remember, the single most powerful thing you can do is to tell MEN, yes, MEN, about what you know about misandry, feminism, etc. ”

Thanks for the good words. And I do tell men. I let them know that I’m an activist for the MR Movement, and then tell them what the movement stands for, what it means, how important is it for men. I tell them how they can get involved. And I tell them that they should no longer take any bullshit from women, that it’s time to make this decade the Men’s Decade.

And I do mention it to women too. They seem to think that because I’m financially independent and am competant and agressive at the office that I’m a feminist (ugh! blech!) So they make disparaging comments about men thinking to get on my good side. I get great pleasure putting them in their place with a nice swift verbal kick in their fat asses…

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Muk January 30, 2011 at 15:43

So the other day, I saw this really nasty looking dude walking a puppy and there was a few kids (obviously not his kids) playing with the dog. This is the second time I’ve seen him playing with the kids.
Now, this is a really grody looking motherfucker…and if he were more normal-looking instead of looking like he’s been sleeping under a bridge, I might not give it a second thought

as an mra, would it be hypocritical to be suspicious of this guy?

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Chuck January 30, 2011 at 15:53

Muk:

No I don’t think it’s hypocritical. We all have internal biases. It’s just when those biases spill over into public policy that they become dangerous. A blanket statement that “all men” are not allowed somewhere is what I’m arguing against.

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W.F. Price January 30, 2011 at 15:56

So the other day, I saw this really nasty looking dude walking a puppy and there was a few kids (obviously not his kids) playing with the dog. This is the second time I’ve seen him playing with the kids.
Now, this is a really grody looking motherfucker…and if he were more normal-looking instead of looking like he’s been sleeping under a bridge, I might not give it a second thought

as an mra, would it be hypocritical to be suspicious of this guy?

-Muk

I’d be worried about the filth more than abuse — wouldn’t want the kids picking up head lice. However, I don’t think there’s much of a correlation between personal hygiene and sexual deviance.

So, sure there’s nothing wrong with being concerned about people who are obviously out of the ordinary, but it’s paranoia to assume they want to have sex with children. I’m pretty sure that pedophilia is a very rare mental disorder.

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Anonym January 30, 2011 at 21:50

I have worked at two East Coast Barnes and Nobles. There is no corporate-level policy restricting anyone from the children’s department. To hear that there is or was a store-level initiative to prevent your brother from shopping is something that is appalling.

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V10 January 31, 2011 at 00:40

A year or two ago in my area (Kelowna, BC, Canada), a toddler wandered away and ended up on the freeway. A driver who spotted the child on the side of the road stopped, but stayed behind the wheel, using his vehicle to shield and follow the toddler as the child played on the edge of rush hour traffic. Asked later by newsies , he plainly said he was scared to death of being accused of being a kidnapper or pedophile if he had approached the child that was in mortal danger.

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Firepower January 31, 2011 at 09:26

Chuck January 29, 2011 at 15:11

Firepower:

Now, the infection has gone deep into the bone while “activists” natter on the net.

Cool. So you natter at natterers?

I really must get around to reading your blog. I bet you’re full of solution.

It’s such a shame you don’t agree about the Net Nattering; you’ll just have to get still more bloggists to enact Real Social Change Forever!

By 50 years passing, you will have accomplished so much.

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Firepower January 31, 2011 at 09:47

F.M.R

What does that mean? Does that mean that, since the government enables feminism, we should attempt to overthrow our government? Does it mean we should attack feminists directly? Does it mean we should simply leave our country?

If one need continually tell a lion tamer to “watch out for those sharp teeth”

…there’s NOT much sense in that lion tamer. Darwin wouldn’t waste his breath. Just keep your comments for me to “read US Weekly” as the proper way to not see the forest for the trees.

Oh, and keep posting your group agreement in forums how you “hate hate hate” what latest dirt has been done to men. That’s carries real impact.

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Chuck January 31, 2011 at 10:52

Firepower:

I really must get around to reading your blog. I bet you’re full of solution.

You do that, and then I’ll go read yours…oh, wait.

You have read my blog btw; you commented at it the other day and several other times before.

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Firepower January 31, 2011 at 10:57

Sure, I’ve commented there.
That doesn’t presuppose I’ve actually read it.
The “solution you’re full of” is either douche or enema.

Your Adult Man Logic never fails to impress, even when pointing out your superiority at actually having a blog; I hear they only give them to geniuses.

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Chuck January 31, 2011 at 11:10

Firepower:

point is, all I’ve ever seen you contribute is commentary on what other people are *saying*. i never said I’m changing the world one post at a time; but if I’m not, then you certainly aren’t. but you pretend that what you are after is actual change. it’s like you want everyone else to enact change in your stead.

you’re the (white) manosphere’s Obsidian.

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Firepower January 31, 2011 at 12:14

Again, your “logic” of “I’m not! But what are you???” was tiresome in a 4th grader and wholly ridiculous in a “manosphere” blogger who claims relevance.

Throwing mud on the wall by using “the obsidian slur” on me is indicative from one who lives by the keyboard. It’s like me calling you the Upham in Saving Private Ryan.

While more accurately, you’d be the Giza tourist cowering in a Cairo airport while real agents of change took action.

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Lovekraft January 31, 2011 at 12:34

I think all us men have encountered this subtle discrimination in one form or another. Let’s thank mainstream media and the education system, with the aid of feminists, for this.

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Chuck January 31, 2011 at 13:32

While more accurately, you’d be the Giza tourist cowering in a Cairo airport while real agents of change took action.

Again, you hypocritically do that which you shame. So if you want to play the dozens – or some Manosphere version of it – you’d be the chick at 0:21 in this video who walks through a sea of rioting men with her camera phone held up to capture the violence that’s ensuing. In fact, you’d do her one better by screaming “fight harder you pussies”.

Again, I ask you, what the fuck have you done, Firepower, besides yammer on at random blogs about what we’re *not* doing right?

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Chuck January 31, 2011 at 13:34

This video.

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Firepower February 1, 2011 at 10:05

Chuck

In fact, you’d do her one better by screaming “fight harder you pussies”

In case you hadn’t noticed, dearie: you don’t even fight at all.

You simply equate a Keyboard Warrior as a real warrior; you play to much COD. You’re better when you scribble about Donnie Deutsch or Martha Stewart.

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Chuck Ross February 1, 2011 at 10:27

Firepower,

Again, what have you done?

Firepower February 2, 2011 at 11:18

OK, I’ll write an article about Donny Deutsch, and other culturally relevant, up-to-the-minutes celebs like… Bennifer.

I know you want to save Aaron Carter for yourself. Savage.

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Tracy May 17, 2011 at 23:26

Barnes & Noble Breakroom on Live Journal

http://bn-booksellers.livejournal.com/

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