When the Good Men Project opened, I was enthusiastic about it, and assumed that the examination of American masculinity it promised would be a step in the right direction. For the most part, they’ve done a pretty good job. The site is professionally laid out, there’s a wealth of content, and plenty of articles that appeal to men. It also has the potential for a good deal of mainstream appeal, and I expect the site to make a fairly substantial impact online.
Given its potential, I think it’s important that we take a look at where the Good Men Project is heading, and who is jumping on board.
Today’s feature, written by project founder Tom Matlack, takes men to task for the objectification of women, offering some insight.
The article is controversial in that it blames pornography and lascivious portrayals of famous women for a number of ills afflicting men, and puts the blame squarely on men themselves. Perhaps this is why Amanda Marcotte, John Edwards’ head blogger for his failed presidential campaign, anti-Catholic bigot and enthusiastic ringleader of the media lynch mob in the Duke Lacrosse false rape case, has shown up to offer her seal of approval to the article.
I don’t think it was Matlack’s intention to play squarely into Marcotte’s hands, and I suspect his reading of the situation is as much a result of the circumstances of his own life as it is part of any political agenda. With an adolescent daughter, I’m sure that the sleazy side of pop culture is starting to bother him, and this, along with the fact that he’s middle-aged and married, is probably giving him some difficult feelings of guilt over his own lust for the young sexpots so casually flashed around on TV and the big screen.
The problem is that he’s projecting that guilt onto men in general, and that is a mistake:
I click on bustier-clad Katy Perry and skip down to the interview, trying to ignore Ms. Perry in full black lingerie, complete with garter belt. After all, this is about man at his best; there must be something serious here that we all love so much.
Ah, here it is: “I always wanted to suspend from the ceiling in a twirling banana,” Katy tells Esquire.
I’m done. I close the browser window and stare out the window.Who are the men Esquire‘s talking about? What is it that we love about these women? Their twirling-banana-swing fantasies? Their factory-fresh “breasts”? Their naughty smiles? Are those things truly what men at their best love about women?
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In media and culture, men are increasingly caricatured as knuckle-dragging cartoon characters, particularly when it comes to how we view women and sexuality. And by whom? Men, of course. It’s not women running the strip clubs, porn websites, and editing spreads in Esquire. We have an enemy—and the enemy is us.
What Mr. Matlack is struggling with is common to men, and there’s no reason to dismiss his frustration. Sexuality is a primal force that operates largely beyond our control. For men at certain points of their lives it can be not only distracting, but has the potential to be hurtful to those people we love.
One can see his inner struggle quite clearly in the following passage:
Yes, good men love women. But we love women in all their complexity, for the things they do, for their intelligence, their wit, their athleticism, their creativity, their power, their force of personality. We seem to have forgotten that along the way, and our brain-numbing intoxication by pornography in all its forms threatens to end us—not because it is morally wrong but just because it distracts us from the truth and scatters our power. It’s one big acid trip fantasy with no connection to improving our lives, being good fathers and husbands, and advancing our careers.
No, it doesn’t have much to do with improving one’s life, being a good father or husband or advancing a career. That’s because lust is a biological imperative rising from the deepest, most primitive recesses of our brains. For all our spectacular neural complexity and high-performance neo-cortices, underneath it all we’ve got a lot in common with reptiles. That’s something we cannot change without reversing evolution and then starting over again from the earliest vertebrates. In other words, it’s impossible without our own extinction, and our extinction is exactly what these impulses evolved to prevent.
All we can do to prevent ourselves from allowing our primal instincts to ruin a good thing is exercise self-control. For those of us who are married and/or have children, we have to exercise more control than others. It’s a hard slog, but that’s the best we can do.
Where Matlack is going in the wrong direction is when he suggests that his own personal burden should be extended to men in general. This strikes me as less than charitable. For example, as a father, I can’t go running around spending my money on strippers or porn, or put up posters of topless women on my walls, or even bring women home, but these are things I’d never begrudge someone who doesn’t have that responsibility. Would it be fair to tell a 19-year-old kid in Afghanistan stuck in some godforsaken, dusty valley getting shot at on a daily basis that he can’t look at naughty pictures of girls with big tits?
Matlack underscores his love for his children and his successful, beautiful and presumably faithful wife as reasons that pornography and lust are toxic to him. Yes, I suppose he’s got a point. But has he stopped to consider the fact that while this wonderful wife and family are worth the struggle for him, they are entirely irrelevant to millions of other men? More importantly, would he ever consider that if he truly does want men in general to exercise that kind of self-control and prevail in the struggle against dissolution, they need and deserve decent wives and secure families to make it worth it?
When you ask men to take on a burden, you draw up a contract with them. You give them a reason to toe the line. Asking them to give up what little they have and expose themselves to ruin simply so they can call themselves “good” is a con, and not a benign one. Matlack should take stock of what he has, thank heaven for it, and do good by trying to make that kind of life attainable to more men. In blaming men in general, he’s working against it and handing ammo to people like Amanda Marcotte, and that’s doubleplusungood.
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Amen.
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Statistically feminism, and women of the modern raunch culture are “objectifying” themselves to a degree that would make the old male patriarchs of the 50′s blush!!
“gender – raunch empowerment journalists”, say it is men who are “objectifying” women, when in fact its the women who are objectifying themselves to a degree that makes alot men turn their heads away because its so Raunchy.
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/I think it absolutely disgusting that men find attractive women attractive. I think there should be a law requiring men to find unattractive women attractive. Specifically, the law should require that men find angry, hate-filled sex-positive feminists moments away from their Wile E. Coyote impact sexually desirable./
zed- I saw your question regarding the USSC decisions on a prior thread. I don’t have specific examples at hand, but have put this on my to-do list and will get back to you.
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When people talk about ‘men’, it’s important that we don’t misconstrue what they really mean. I think Matlack makes quite a serious error here in implying that that somehow all men are at fault for the actions of some men. When one man decides to run a strip club and other men decide to attend the strip club, obviously I am not at any kind of fault for this, even though I am also a man.
By the same logic, it’s important to remember that not all women are feminists, and it’s good to see that, from time to time, this site promotes articles that remind us of that too.
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Women’s lack of control over their hypergamy has ruined many (more) marriages.
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I could go on for a while about this article – it is well written – and I like it.
There are a few points that are embedded in our culture that influence the mindsets at work:
1. female virgins are “pure” – hence – males must be “defiling” them by having sex with them.
2. sex is sinful (see above) – only sinful for the man of course – not the delicate flower that is woman.
3. Men are the ones objectifying women – women are not objectifying themselves (Never Blame Women!!!!) Not like any women out there want to feel like the hottest sexist **ck-doll on the planet – and have her man treat her as such – nahhh – those women either do not exist – or – have no respect for themselves (see below)
4. Normal male sexual desires are labeled as being “disrespectful of women” – see 1, 2, and 3 together.
These things are deeply rooted in our culture. The writings above are an excellent demonstration of it.
I’ll save the more detailed ramblings for my blog…
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Clearly this is true – you need something VERY powerful to get a fun loving man to do something as stupid as commit twenty years of income to raise a kid for (hopefully) 20 minutes of fun…
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I have already called out “The Good Men Project” on their agenda. What they are doing is presenting a non-positive deconstruction of masculinity and that is a serious problem. Their motives have been revealed to support feminist-backed leanings toward re-engineering masculinity to more feminine considerations.
I comment on their articles regularly to provide a counterpoint in a hope that readers will realize that they are not “so good.”
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It’s funny because whenever someone who’s indoctrinated into feminist talking points brings this up, bringing up the ways that women objectify men physically and monetarily will either shut them real fast or get them squawking emotionally in a shrill voice trying to come up with a bad rationalization.
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How about he instills morality in his kids?
Rape laws will then ensure their protection.
If females keep their legs together until married, and stay faithful even when bored, we’ll be back to Victorian values in a jiffy.
Stop blaming males, just appeal to the moral superiority of females…
Doh! Sorry, I’ve just seen the error in my logic (please see Duke fork list, or FRA)
How about Manginas blame females for female lack of morality?
As a male, I will not accept the blame for (delusional) beliefs in past male wrongs – not only do I not believe in most of them, I wasn’t there!!!
I have NO guilt for any transgressions (real, or imaginary) committed in the past, IT WAS NOT ME
These lies are losing their power – even boys aren’tTHAT stupid
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Can anyone name any prevalent male equivalent to…
1) Girls and women and boy bands. You can trace this all of the way back to the 50s with the Beatles and to today with that bad music-making kid, Justin Bieber. Have you ever seen grown men loudly screech and run after to mob a female musician like girls and women do for these types?
2) Girls and women and small percentage of really good looking male actors. Recent example: George Clooney, Johnny Depp, that guy from that really bad Twilight movie. In the late 80s which is as early as I can remember being about 5 then myself, my mother and her henhouse friends were gaga over Patrick Swayze at the time.
Who really objectifies who? The whole thing seems to be solipsism and projection at its finest with undertones of sexual trade unionism and hypocrisy.
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Women are none of those things.
If they were, they wouldn’t need to rely as much on physical beauty to attract men; or at least keep their interest.
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Matlack is clearly dumber than a box of rocks. I was trying to post a comment but he’s so incoherent that I was having a hard time finding anything to really argue with. While I was trying to write the page kept refreshing and deleting what I had written so far. Anyone who wants to say something there, put your comment in notepad or something then paste it in or you’ll probably lose it to an automatic refresh.
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Just back from the pub. Ogling this chick (probably about 30) surrounded by biker types in skin tight jeans, and cute figure – lots of hair flicking. Hey if you don’t want to be noticed don’t, dress that way.
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hmmm ya know the diferance between KINKY and PERVERTED….
kinky ya use a feather perverted ya use the whole chicken…
so am i to asume that looking at porn is “perverted” ? is that all porn? some? only the “raunchy” kind…
if i wanna have sex with a woman with nothing on but a KFC bucket on my head am i a pervert ? or just weird ??
some posters seem to think middle aged perverts are gonna come out of the wood work …
to that i must respond but belive me yours are NOT nessesary
do you perform felatio?
do you enjoy cunnalingus
analingus?
anything but missionary ??
got a vibrator/dildo?
would you think the idea of a scottish lesbian Fu*king you with a strap on was “hot”????
just think up untill recently all of the above were AGAINST THE LAW in some states 2003 if memory serves …
ill bet ya did some of those things huh …. mmmmm yeah ill bet ya did
wow whata perv you must be…
OH WAIT … no im a perv … me … why because i enjoy porn. YEAH watching some hot chick get off or getting pronged man i must be sick … oh crap im middle aged tooo AHHHHHHHHH
good thing chicks dont do porn… wait …
no i mean good thing no women enjoy porn…. wait
no i mean good thing young people dont enjoy…. nooo
well ill bet all that porn causes RAPE … wait what ? some studys show that since it has become more available rape has gone down.
well crap whos a perv again… no never mind i want to know who the hypocrite is …. i think i know … *S*
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What an emasculated mangina. Does this clown really believe children are more damaged by seeing a glimpse of commercial porn on websites and television networks they shouldn’t even be watching in the first place vs. the gov’t sanctioned alienation of fathers on behalf of selfish women who use their children as weapons of vindictiveness and emotional terrorism against the father?
Or the system-wide anti-male and anti-father attitude of gov’t social workers who purposely seek to sabotage and limit the relationships between non-custodial fathers and their sons on behalf of some sisterhood ideology of hate.
And don’t even get me started on the unconstitutional family courts who use a bunch of feminist-trained “expert” witnesses to justify giving custody of children to neglectful and morally void selfish women so both the state and so-called mother can extort lifetime payments from the father who is reduced to nothing more than a monthly ATM transaction.
Best interests of the child? I wonder what will traumatize a boy or girl more? Being exposed to the sexual and shallow culture perpetuated by womens’ petty interests in the sublime or a childhood of being told what a pathetic man your father was and mother sharing her hatred of all men with an impressionable and innocent child. Whats going to fuck up a child’s head more, Matlock or Cosmo magizine, you pathetic mangina? Don’t pretend for a second that trashy magazines like cosmo and trashy television like Desperate Housewives or daytime trash like Maury Pouvich and Jerry Springer is geared towards a male audience.
Women control 80% of the consumer mass market, if anyone is to blame for Matlock’s whining about sexualization of girls, its the female market demanding more gossip, more raunchiness (Cosmo mag, Sex and the City, Couger Town anybody?) and more sensationalism from the advertisers who are giving the dominant female market exactly what She wants.
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Regarding blame, the word exists for a reason. Generally speaking, with power comes responsibility, and when the responsibility isn’t fulfilled there is justified blame. Women have a ton of power in many areas and with that power comes responsibility. If they don’t fulfill that responsibility, and especially if they don’t even try, they should absolutely be blamed. A prime example is the problem with boys in school. The schools are run by women for the most part and, generally speaking, women aren’t trying to do what’s best for boys. Women school teachers, generally speaking, absolutely deserve some blame for this and they should be held accountable for ignoring their responsibility.
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I dismissed the whole thing months ago simply based on the name “The Good Men Project” The name was redolent with feminism, and we now know where the smell is coming from. On top of the feminism, i don’t need to be told by someone else what makes a good man any more than i need to be told what makes a “real” man, in fact the former seems to me nothing more than a covert version of the latter.
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I’ve noticed with these male-apologist types – like the Promise Keepers – that they project their own failings onto all men – “I am a scumbag, therefore ALL men are scumbags.”
What is there to say besides “NAMALT”?
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“But we love women in all their complexity, for the things they do, for their intelligence, their wit, their athleticism, their creativity, their power, their force of personality.”
Yes, women can have all of these qualities.
But this observation is meaningless, unless you compare the levels of these qualities in women to the levels of these qualities in others who possess them, like men and boys.
I once knew a female who had them in abundance.
She was also completely loyal and trustworthy.
She was also my Golden Retriever.
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I read that article, and had no idea it was supposed to be in support of men. I dismissed him as a d****d fool mangina and went on to something else. And, people wonder why men’s rights activists accomplished nothing in the last 45 years of resistance.
A friend once said, “A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent. A feminist is none of these.”
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“It’s not women running the strip clubs, porn websites, and editing spreads in Esquire.”
Actually, often times it is. Helene is the editorial director of Esquire, and Lisa its Edtorial projects director. Jule Campbell was the driving force behing Sports Illustrated’s swimsuit edition for decades, and I believe the current senior editor of SI’s swimsuit edition is named Diane. If Matlack had done even a modest amount of research, he would have determined that some of the biggest porn production and distribution companies are owned and operated by women. EZ enough for anyone with access to the InterWebs to do.
While Matlack criticizes Esquire for pictures where “two of the women appear to be putting at least one finger in their mouths, one is lying in bed seductively, one is wearing a wet T-shirt, and one has her lips parted suggestively. Only Angelina’s image suggests some kind of self-respect.”
He includes Lady Gaga
http://www.ladygaga.com/news/
and Portia de Rossi
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/portiaderossi/portia_de_rossi_4.jpg
on his list of women men want. I wonder if he knows that Portia de Rossi is marred to Ellen. Or how to spell hypocrisy.
I thought the funniest part of his article was “My wife is a lawyer turned decorator turned child advocate.”
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not *marred*, “married”. Sorry, my smell checker didn’t catch that.
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If you want to assign blame, follow the money.It is wymyn who make money off their own objectification.
“the only good man is a **** man”
Yeah right.
“thanks for helping”
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Are there any strip clubs left? I’m in a Chicago suburb and I don’t know where any strip clubs are and I can’t remember the last time I saw or heard an advertisement for one. There used to be some around but they closed years ago. I’m sure there must still be some somewhere but it certainly isn’t a mainstream thing around here.
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Yeah, that’s a very good point. I believe the editor of “Juggs” was a female as well. Here in Seattle, feminists took over the Lusty Lady strip club some years ago, and then ran it into the ground because of the lesbian infighting over who got to perform.
Women are as well represented as executives in porn as any other business I can think of off the top of my head. Makes sense. Men in the business incur some pretty high legal risks.
Anyway, I avoided that angle because it’s a separate point, but it’s one that needs to be addressed just the same.
I disagree. The mainstream assumption that you would appear to be subscribing to is that these primal forces are programmed into a genetic code, and therefore, all behavior templates are set from the moment of conception. This mainstream assumption is incorrect, and it is easily disproved, though such a task is beyond the scope of this discussion.
I agree. You need to provide men with a reason to toe the line, and to do so for the privilege of calling yourself “good” is empty. True morality is not about “niceness” and civility. On this we would appear to agree.
What reason might I provide to toe the line? I think that the promise of not having to return to this shit-hole orbiting the sun is a pretty compelling one. But of course to appreciate such a perspective you need to develop an alternative paradigm for the life sciences that is not grounded in the all-in-the-genes fiction. To this end, I’ll be interested to see where Adam Kostakis takes his Gynocentrism theory.
Of course it’s not easy to rise above it all when you are immersed in the sea of pornographic images as we are. That’s the challenge. First and foremost, you need a reason to reject it, and the all-in-the-genes-didn’t-ya-know paradigm provides no such reason. Culture, that system to which your personality is bound, provides the reason.
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I don’t know if this id the right time to post this but since we’re talking about a men’s project maybe it is.
The other night while reading Jack Donovan’s article about Guy Garcia speaking at the Male Studies Convention I wandered over to their site and sent an e mail objecting to Garcia. I asked if they were even aware of us here and left a Spearhead link. Here is my reply.
Somewhat amazed I replied to express my thanks and asked if I could relay his response. Here’s the reply to that.
Is this cool or what!
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re : women running men’s mags :
http://stevenjones.blogspot.com/2009/08/misandric-monday-mens-health-magazine.html
Also Opus : “Ogling this chick (probably about 30) surrounded by biker types in skin tight jeans”
A gay biker bar?
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NOT THE LUSTY LADY !!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
man a buddy of mine would donate plasma up the street just to pay for going to the Lusty Lady
honestly i was thinking of moveing back home some day but now with all the”progresive” crap goin down that dream will have to reamain that
i miss the water and the mountains … maby ill get lucky and Rainer will blow take out most of the asshats in the Seattle Tacoma area.
better move WT im wishing hard
also JOE you cant swing a dead cat without hitting a “gentalmens club” in the carolinas myrtle beach is prolly 50/50 golf and strippers oh and carrot top . so ya gotta take some bad with the good
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Is the choice really between loving porno women or loving women for “their intelligence, their wit, their athleticism, their creativity, their power, their force of personality”?
I don’t ever recall being attracted to women for any of those things. Skankiness puts me off, but I’m not exactly attracted to women for their “athleticism” or their “power” either. Men can have power, wit and athleticism too, so that can’t be the basis for heterosexual attraction.
What is attractive to men about the feminine? Yes, in part it’s the erotic, but that’s not all of it. If you had to reduce it to a single word, aren’t we attracted to what is “lovely” in a woman. What is physically lovely (silky hair, smooth soft skin, slender, elegant limbs, graceful movement) and what is emotionally lovely (kindness, maternal feeling, emotional sensitivity, emotional warmth, vulnerability).
Matlack comes very close to making the same mistake that so many bluestocking feminist women have made. Men are told by such feminists that they shouldn’t love women for their physical appeal but for their intellectual or career achievements. It’s an appeal that will always fall flat because it doesn’t connect with any strong masculine impulses.
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Keyster writes:
You beat me to it!!! Exactly what came to mind when I read that passage.
Gendeau writes:
Yup. Speaking as a Traditional RC (poor example thereof), it’s only the male part of the equation that Matlack stresses, as does Promise Keepers and all the rest. That’s why they are rightly called manginas. This topic also requires the female part of the equation. An analogy works here – an alcoholic should refrain from imbibing AND others should not offer him alcohol.
So, OK, a man should not objectify a woman. In the olden days of yore, one method of doing so was to “retain custody of one’s eyes”. (Probably no one under 50 reading this has heard of that concept.) AND women should dress decently because men are hardwired that way. Why should women do that? Because of the commandment to love one’s neighbor. But, then, what girl or woman is taught that these days? Anyway, to dump it all on men’s doorstep is WRONG and only addresses half of the problem.
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This guy is profiting from the desperation and misery of men brought on by what he and his wife’s kind have brought us.
He is lower than dirt.
I would rather hang with the skankiest porn chick than a exploiter like this guy.
At least porn chicks are honest.
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I honestly cannot stress how much it pisses me off when women’s agency — and ergo their responsibility — is not only airbrushed out of the picture but bizarro-inverted so that some uninvolved man is now shouldering the consequences of her decisions. Why in the world has no one spat this argument back in these stupid, ditzy little femmebots’ faces? Since when did I point a gun and drive these chicks onto some sleazeball’s photoshoot carpet?
No one can make porn — even the most teasing, softcore perfume ad — without a woman’s consent. She wants to sell her body for attention or cash (usually both). It’s her goddamn choice. If the women involved hated what it was doing to them morally, they had every opportunity not to do it in the first place. I’m not going to play the father figure for some starlet who not only got paid to strip her tits out (something most women have by virtue of birth) but wants to try and make herself into some kind of victim. Screw off.
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@ Mark Richardson
Matlack is a full blown mental retard and you should learn to recognize this quickly. His relatively bright wife likes him for his big dick or some other trait of equivalent significance. Nobody anywhere should take this guy seriously or worry about what he says.
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I think the issue of porn everywhere is an important one to talk about.
I want to puke when I hear anyone talk about how this is victimizing women. It is victimizing MEN. It is using their sex drive against them, to trick them into buying crap or paying attention to whatever. It’s ultimately frustrating and just a reason to be shamed for looking at something you are instinctively drawn to.
And its not just images…think about co-ed gyms. This is one of the most perverse, unnatural things in our society. Men and women should exercise in separate areas, this is just common f*cking sense.
It comes in all shades, and it is everywhere. I’m no prude, nor religious, but this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
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@ joe
his wife likes him because he keeps his room realy clean without haveing to be told to
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@ stickman
Nice. I wonder if she hits him with hangers if he doesn’t?
Honestly, I could not imagine anything worse than having a lawyer for a wife. The only case she’s on is his.
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“It’s not women running the strip clubs, porn websites, and editing spreads in Esquire.”
If women stopped working for them..
“Men are told by such feminists that they shouldn’t love women for their physical appeal but for their intellectual or career achievements.”
At which point the women stop loving them.
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I just read a different article at the GMP of which I have a good insights about the subject. The article was a joke written and edited by an idiot. They described a NYC Orthodox religious community as being secular orthodox. Secular means non-religious. The terms and concepts were repeatedly used in the article. GMP is over-rated.
Anyone ever hear of a beef eating vegan? How about a warlike pacifist? Come to think of it I have heard of a mangina…
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OT
From mens reddit, 70% of DV happens after a woman see’s a lawyer. Here is the origin of this “statistic” I believe:
http://www.nownys.org/leg_memos_2009/oppose_a331.html
NY Chapter of NOW.
This is exactly what happened to me. My ex and I had 3 verbal arguments in 4 years of marriage and after seeing a feminist couselor, I became this horrible monster. My ex still tries to brainwash my son with this nonesense. I wouldn’t take it seriously except he doesn’t want to fight with her and disagreeing will lead to his encuring her wrath.
This is how PAS is done, and she lives 1500 miles away and talks to him every 2 weeks at most.
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@ WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
unusually well said
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@ Matlack
No you want to tell us how your wife would have us act, please, I guess you think we’re idiots.
My ex made that mistake.
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What is porn? Women willingly posing nude or skantily clad for money and or attention. No one is holding a gun to their collective head’s.
Hell, barely teen girl’s text nude photo’s of themselves to boy’s. Go to the beach or even just walking down the street on a nice day and all the young girl’s are dressed to impress by wearing as little as possible.
Like the song says, “God damn the pusherman,” well the girl’s and women are pushing ass, yet men are held accoutable for women’s poor behavior.
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@ thomas matlack
you must make sense, that’s the baseline. You failed so you deserve a beatdown. Try harder next time. You can judge, blame, or demean but just make sense. If you’re gonna blame, make sure you make sense when you do it. Who are you blaming for what and why? If you’re gonna judge, make sense. Demean away, but you better have a logical reason for it.
The self-indulgent bullshit you wrote is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to write that sort of thing. You don’t deserve civility until you at least try to make sense.
I am not a gentleman. As far as I’m concerned there should be a bow season for trash like you.
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Ignore the pusher man. Don’t ruin your life.
Just say no to crack (the female kind).
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Did you see their blogroll?
Gender/Sociology
Jezebel
Gender Across Borders
Double X
The Hairpin
Sociological Images
Feministing
Alternet
Who says The Spearhead is “on-course”.
An asshole is an asshole is an asshole who tells me what it is to be a man.
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@ Matlock
If you can’t acknowledge what your ex did was wrong, if you are so addicted to crack you just need it so bad you can’t think straight, don’t give other men advice.
I’m not a psychologist nor do I like psychology but your lack of ability to acknowledge you’ve been abused indicates you have self exteme issues.
I don’t mind. I wish you well.
But don’t project your self hatred onto a bunch of guys that are pretty beat up and working to make a world in which your ex would not have the power to to this to you.
We are not going to take it anymore. Take that to the bank.
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@ Tom Matlack January 21, 2011 at 18:23
Tom, if I was to rob a store because someone placed some kind of “eye candy” in the window would you blame the store owner? That’s exactly what your doing when you blame men for women’s behavior.
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” This article is going to bring all the middle aged perverts out of the woodwork.
hmmm ya know the diferance between KINKY and PERVERTED….
kinky ya use a feather perverted ya use the whole chicken…
so am i to asume that looking at porn is “perverted” ? is that all porn? some? only the “raunchy” kind… ”
To many women today, a man being aroused by a woman is “perverted”. I shit you not, they think male heterosexuality is a perversion. If they were intelligent enough to look up the word,they’d know that a “perversion” is something that goes against the natural order, unlike males wanting to fuck females,which for mammals, IS the natural order. That’s how the species is propagated, anything ELSE would be a perversion.
Of course, these same women who go on about “middle aged perverts” get off to two chicks shitting on each other and shoving bowling pins in each other’s pussies,which IS a perversion. They are,in fact, so perverted that they think black is white,up is down, and the naturally ordained order of the world since time immemorial is “perverted”.
More on topic, women depend on what is being called “objectification” by feminists. If you don’t believe me, start a movement to boycott prostitutes and pornography until more is done for men’s rights and watch how many new affluent men’s rights champions we get.
The result would blow your fucking mind. There’d be so much money coming into men’s rights we’d look like WE were operating a brothel.
“Objectification of women” has made many,many, female brothel operators and pornographers multimillionaires. Yes, the poor dears are suffering so much from our nasty, nasty male sex drives.
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“Are Men Inherently Violent? January 7, 2011 By Tom Matlack”
—- Maybe some men are somewhat violent though Not as much as women in personal relations. Do you report both sides of the equation? Does the GMP identify and call out females on their violence?
US Dept of Health & Human Services:
“the 2009 data found that approximately one-half (53.8%) of child abuse and neglect perpetrators were women and more than 40 percent (44.4%) were men.”
http://faq.acf.hhs.gov/cgi-bin/acfrightnow.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=70
Psychiatric News article quoting the USG CDC:
“Regarding perpetration of violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, 71 percent of the instigators in nonreciprocal partner violence were women.”
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full
USG CDC:
“Overall, the prevalence of dating violence was higher among male (11.0%) than female (8.8%) students”
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5704a1.htm
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Women are more abusive and violent than men in personal relations. Does the GMP ever write about such facts that call out the realities of DV?
Unfortunately, this blog isn’t taking a re-posting of links.
“In the area of child abuse, the federal Administration for Children and Families somberly notes, “In 2008, approximately 56% of child abuse and child neglect perpetrators were women and 42% were men.”
“As far as dating violence, girls win the battle of sexes hands down. According to a national survey by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, 9% of teenage girls, compared to 11% of adolescent boys, have been slapped, hit, or otherwise hurt by their opposite-sex partner”
“And in a landmark 2007 article published in the American Journal of Public Health, Centers for Disease Control researchers reported 7 out of 10 instigators of one-way partner violence are…can we break the spell?…female”
The above quotes with links to USG websites is from an article in RenewAmerica November 23 2010 called ‘Obama’s domestic violence initiative: hope, hype, and hogwash’ by Carey Robers. I did link from it to the USG sites and read the actual reports. Verified.
BTW, I will blame women when they deserve the blame and I will defend women when they do not deserve blame. Same goes for men.
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@Thomas,
I don’t need to convince anyone I don’t know that I am a “good man TM”. Anyone who knows me is perfectly capable of forming their own opinions, and those who do not think I am are free to no longer associate with me.
Nor do I need to convince anyone who believes that “good men TM” do not exist that they actually do. The phrase itself is as offensive as the ubiquitous “RealManTM”.
Authentic “good men TM” and “RealMenTM” have no need to prove anything to anyone – least of all fools who don’t even really know what those terms mean. They just go about their lives being “good men TM” and “RealMenTM” and let the fools struggle to find their own way out of their darkness.
Perhaps it might even be accurate to say that “good men TM” and “RealMenTM” don’t read garbage like Esquire.
More than 20 years ago I had some friends who had a 10 y/o daughter who had a body that most 18 y/o girls would kill for. Like her mother, she was very busty – at ten years old!!!
Her mother, training her no doubt for her future life path, took her to one of those “glamor shots” places which were popular back then, and had pictures take of her completely tarted up, with teased hair, showing more cleavage than most women will ever have. At ten years old!!!
When I saw the pictures, I got furious, and pretty much ruined our friendship by almost shouting at them “WHAT THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE DOING?!?!!”
Now, just because you are the kind of man who cannot look at a 10 y/o girl made up like a prostitot and keep yourself from seeing her in a sexual manner and thinking “impure thoughts” about her, and not being able to
doesn’t mean that all men can’t.
I refuse to allow you to drag all men down into that mental and emotional cesspool you inhabit by saying things like this –
Speak for yourself, asshole. No “we” haven’t forgotten – YOU seem to have forgotten and want to rub your own filthiness of mind on all men.
I will have none of it, nor will I participate in your self-abnegation and self-flagellation.
I am perfectly capable of looking at 10 y/o girl – even if her mother has dressed her up like a little whore – and seeing a little girl cursed with a woman’s body at a time when she should be playing with Raggedy Ann dolls.
Why in the world would anyone read an interview with a nitwit like Kay Perry? Isn’t she the shallow bimbo who increased her fame by singing “I kissed a girl”? On what planet is she known for
If you had had the integrity to speak in the first person – to use “I” instead of “we” – and speak of your own issues as your issues, instead of trying to drag all other men down into the feministing cesspool you inhabit, I could respect that.
I, however, do not need a website to tell me what a “good man TM” is or how to be one.
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@ The Dude
So your fav sex is sex in which no dude has sex.
I don’t think I need to say more.
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I wish guys like Yo wouldn’t compare women to Golden Retrievers – it’s incredibly demeaning to Golden Retrievers.
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“Caveman”,”fully evolved”? These are feminist terms,sir.
Actually, you sir, seem to be “controlled by women and feminism”. You are parroting the terms that they designed to attempt to shame men into acting like women.
Let me ask you this,what is “evolved” about being sexually aroused by rape and bestiality? At least half of all women are. Why the hell would we want to emulate that after thousands of years of producing the finest and most sublime pieces of art and literature that mankind has ever been inspired to create?
If a man, overpowering lusts for women notwithstanding,can produce artwork,literature, and architecture that inspires people for thousands of years,doesn’t the purity of his works prove the overall purity of his soul?
By their fruits ye shall know them. Most of the things women have produced throughout time have been baskets and carpets of a mediocre quality,doesn’t this then prove the psychic turbulence and mundane nature of their souls?
Who aspires to mediocrity?
We are the gods of this earth, we built everything you see around you. It is not we who need to change, but the bigoted women who cannot tolerate masculinity even as they preach tolerance for liberal pedophiles,female spousal murderers,female child murderers,and domestic abusers with tits.
There is a problem with femininity, in that it abets evil and hates virtue,not masculinity, the sex of heroes, benevolent kings,and artists who paint the splendors of heaven for those of us who lack their vision.
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“takes men to task for the objectification of women”
Name a thought, any thought, that is not predicated on objectification. No objectification… NO THOUGHT.
Why do you bother with such non-sense about no-thing.
It only gives them and their rubbish currency.
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I’m tired of hearing about how “perverted” men are. Let’s talk about women.
A common fantasy for women is a rape fantasy. Yell it from the rooftops.
You want to see dirty and perverse? Go to the website Lush Stories. It a site where anyone can post erotic stories. It’s dominated by women, and you can’t imagine the dirty shit they write about. Daddy fantasies anyone?
Oh, and they also post pictures and their ages on their profile pages, and many of them are middle aged perverts.
Thanks to feminism and female empowerment, women like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Christina Aguilera, Shakira, rap hoes, are the ones parading themselves around like dirty sluts. Men just watch in amusement really. Look at Justin Beiber, at least he seems like a clean cut kid. Unlike the horny little bastard called Miley Cyrus who can barely keep her clothes on.
It’s women who are degrading popular culture and turning it into a cesspool. Not men.
Now, honestly, I really don’t care what women like, or how perverted they are. To be honest, none of it bothers me. What bothers me is men always being called “creepy”, “perverted”, and other shaming words, when the real perverts are women. But of course they get away with it, because women are not held accountable for anything. Not for our culture, or their own behavior.
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@Lara:
Lara, you are such a feminist tool!
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J Michael Hall said: “I have taught classes full of men who spout the anger about the injustice in the courts, the fact that they have no control over their family circumstance, and that a man can’t help but to look at good looking women. I did not try to teach them these feminist ideas about being a better man by not being so much of a man. I taught them to be a man. A real man, a man that likes a beautiful woman, that loves his kids, that appreciates beauty, and that is a true brother to other men. I see few of those qualities in so many of these comments. You say that there is nothing wrong with porn but it controls you. You say that women are all conniving but you were not man enough to not pick a sexy chick that lacked character and took you to the cleaners and KEPT you from being a man. You continue to be played by women, you allow the pushers to convince you that nobody can control you by restricting your base desires, but you continue to be hooked. Many men that think they are out there “Scoring” women are actually the score themselves, they gave a woman a baby (because of their primal nature) , they are on the hook for the financing of this kid, and the kid usually grows up to see that mom was a manipulator and dad was not man enough to NOT be manipulated. Matlack tries to expose where we may still be weak and less of a real man that it sounds like this site promotes. Matlack seems to be way closer to the goal.”
You sir are a cunt, a real cunt.
Any guy who starts spouting about “real men” gets my goat but when it’s the usual blaming men for rejecting feminist constructed society it’s just disgusting. You’re like a dick on a ship that is in danger of sinking telling everyone to shape up, be their best and try harder as people – rather than look at and do something about the situation around them.
If you get married, have kids and love your family there is no guarantee your wife will continue to love you. People change, fall out of love, meet someone else, or just plain get sick of each other. It’s normal life. After that when the divorce happens men are fucked good and simple. Your attitude is to blame men, “….you were not man enough to not pick a sexy chick that lacked character and took you to the cleaners and KEPT you from being a man”. What a fucking cheek. How the hell do you know who they picked? Men married to EVERY damn kind of woman can end up screwed. People CHANGE, and get divorced and having no rights in that situation is WRONG! If all you have to offer is “You were not man enough” and other infantile shaming horseshit and just blame the victim shit then you really are just a feminist’s dream. That is exactly the crap they come out with. It’s meaningless drivel that shames and blames the victim rather than actually just pursuing equality and respect for everyone in the courts. The response of people, “real” people who give a shit about themselves is to try to change the laws or avoid the situation at all costs, not respond to your poisonous crap with trying to “shape up” when however they behave bears next to NO relation to their rights.
One of the worst things feminism did you jackass is take anything good men have to offer in interpersonal relations and make it irrelevant! All the love a man has for his wife, his children his “brothers” is no protection from the chance of absolute legally enforced abuse. It takes something as natural as LOVE in any human being’s life and turns it into something hat can be incredibly dangerous for men. Don’t you understand how disgraceful and how awful that is? And all you jackasses have to offer is “don’t be bitter, stay off the porn, try to be better men”. Is that it? Oh and all wrapped up in an ocean of “real man” 1950s shaming crap.
Great.
Now gtfo.
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“A real man, a man that likes a beautiful woman, that loves his kids, that appreciates beauty, and that is a true brother to other men.”
A man has apparently no need for self respect, he is only judged on his relations with others.
I could make the entire solar system inhabitable, end starvation and poverty, stop the conflict between Israel and Palestine, be Jesus, make everybody immortal, create a recession-proof economy but I still wouldn’t be a REAL MAN to you, interesting…
It’s also funny that you would admonish men for enjoying seeing women in the nude, but then you tell them that they have to like beautiful women and beauty (not redundant at all).You want men to be exactly what you tell them not to be.
Verdict:YOU ARE JUST LIKE WOMEN !!!!
PS:Don’t tell us that you meant something else by beauty, all men that talk like that put women on a pedestal.
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Our greatest achievements were made during periods of greatest moral restraint on the parts of both men and women. The contemporary decline in achievements (compared to population size – per head of population) happens to coincide with the decline in moral standards of both men and women. But is this really a coincidence? I think not. And it’s not just about sublimation. It has to do with recognizing sentient behavior, and being able to identify vulnerabilities, and these sensitivities motivate works of art and other achievements. The erosion of our democratic principles reflect the same problem. Our contemporary, pump-and-dump, hypergamous culture is all a part of this mix… need we say more?
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Zed’s point is that porn is everywhere, measured in degrees only by law. Women advertise their wares to attract men. Whether her ass is hidden beneath a silk dress or naked for all to see, makes little difference in the imagination of a man. When women learn to “evolve” not to dress or act provacatively to attract men, perhaps men will evolve as well. But, then they can do as they please with impunity.
Asking either sex to “evolve” past the natural game of “bait and catch”, is like getting humans to evolve from being hungry for food. It’s foolish nonsense to deny our basic instinct animal to pro-create.
I realize Mr. Matlack might feel conflicted, with a daughter “coming of age”, but there’s no need to project those fatherly insecurities on all men. That men are somehow being desensitized to “real women” because of porn is feminist/liberal idiocy.
REAL WOMEN are the ones desensitizing men to women!
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“Who really objectifies who? The whole thing seems to be solipsism and projection at its finest with undertones of sexual trade unionism and hypocrisy.”
Agreed, and why in gods name do we even say men are objectifying women, even when they do reduce women to one purpose. That incomplete concept crucially misses the fact that men are reduced in the process, both in their lives and from the perspective of women. If a man is too focused on sex then he may not be enjoying the company of his friends and simply having a good time, thinking freely, or avoiding stupid risks. There is a reason you do not want to be the douche from about every other beer commercial and it has nothing to do with the portrayal of the woman he is after. The other point “objectifying women” misses and that is how women are viewing men. For arguments sake lets say women aren’t checking out the guys looks and some of his assets (women do it A LOT); even then women who spread their sexuality, most, are looking at men as desire objects. To them you are there to desire them and feed their vanity.
We know the feminist objectifying argument is BS for many reasons but never make the mistake that women want men to have more control over “their sexuality”.
Tell women that Third of young Japanese men not interested in sex and they will start getting defensive. I’m sure the threat is similar to that produced from the site of the statue in New York of a hero crushing two women under his feet whose purpose is to temp and corrupt him.
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After reading this I visited the Good Men Project website. One of the featured articles caught my eye, something about foreskin restoration. An article about an exclusively male subject, and guess who wrote it? A woman.
Women seem to be frequent participants in their comments sections. Someone above pointed out their feminized blogroll.
Veering off course? Call an ambulance, they’ve already crashed.
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“I realize Mr. Matlack might feel conflicted, with a daughter “coming of age”, but there’s no need to project those fatherly insecurities on all men.”
You wanna hear projection, read this. Student:Teacher’sLAPD Husband Threatened Life OverSex Affair
“A Southern California middle school teacher seduced and molested a 14-year-old student in a sexual affair that lasted several months, until the teacher’s husband, a Los Angeles police officer, discovered the relationship and threatened to kill the boy, his family claims in a lawsuit.
The fucking cop didn’t even see a molested 14 year old boy, he saw a predator man and how he saw his sick wife, I don’t know…
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Pretty fucked up article from Good Men Project here: http://goodmenproject.com/families/why-i-let-my-son-get-snipped/#comment-12445
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Good Men Project?
Surely ‘Good Slaves Project’, or ‘Good Mangina Project’ are more truthful in the description of what they’re up to.
Anytime you hear someone says ‘porn objectifies women’, you know you’re dealing with an idiot. That idiot can be male or female. In most cases, the idiot is female. In this case, the idiot is male, and goes by the name, ‘Tom Matlack’.
These kind of traditionalist, ‘let’s clean up our act and go back to the good ol’ days of Marriage 1.0′ advocates are just as much an enemy as are feminists.
They’re the seemingly ‘middle-of-the-road’ shysters wanting to cash a quick buck with all the MRA buzz going on these days.
Won’t you please buy my book?
http://foggedclarity.com/images/otherFeatures/2010/April/tomMatlack.png
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Thanks, i’m very confortable with myself being a “bad man”, whatever it means.
I leave the position of the good man for Tom Matlack. But i want to warn him meantime: the little fat spectacled smartasses are usually beaten in the classroom.
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Welmer. I left a long comment under anonymous calling J Michael Hall a cunt and giving reasons why. Is it coming through? It’s under anonymous as I don’t often comment now.
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No doubt. My point is that things haven’t changed for men in that regard. There is a general consensus that all men do is lust after female flesh. The point I’m making is that a man, even the men of those days, lust after female flesh in their minds sometimes but mostly channel those feelings into productive and sometimes even sublime outlets. No harm is incurred by women. Enjoying seeing a tit or two every once in a while does not reverse a man’s otherwise positive and productive, even wholesome, lifestyle.
Quite the contrary, it is women whose lusts run wild, who are unclean in thought and word, as well as deeds. They are the ones given to animalistic behavior.
And it is women who any moralistic preachings on sexuality need to be directed at. You don’t give medicine to healthy people, you give it to sick people, and believe me, women are pretty sick in this regard.
If you don’t believe me, visit the site sharp recommended. I don’t need to, I’ve seen it firsthand enough times to make me sick and I have a very strong stomach. I have seen rotting cadavers splattered on the highway,but the strongest impulses of revulsion I have ever felt have been in viewing material such as sharp pointed out.
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Why is it that when a few men genuinely are perverts, and feminists like Marcotte are saying we all are, but when a few men absolutely dominate the world chess scene, no-one assumes we are all grandmasters?
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I love the spearhead exactly for articles like this; it’s straightforward and it doesn’t moralize.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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@ Nergal
I couldn’t find the link in the thread. Could you post it again please?
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@ J. Michael Hall
How are you teaching young men to not be manipulated? You can’t, aside from telling them never to marry and never to reproduce. You can’t teach them to be good fathers. You can’t teach them to be good family men. You can’t teach men to be anything in this system other than to become non-participants because women hold literally all of the power. When you marry, or when you have a child you have signed over your rights and options. That is fact.
Women have the full force of the corrupt legal system behind them to coerce men.
Men looking at and having sex with women is completely outside of this dystopian paradigm. You cannot rid yourself of the desire to have sex. So why attempt to demonize male sexuality further by telling us that we’re monsters for desiring it or for desiring it from a physically attractive woman? Women do it all of the time, spending entirely too much time talking about “hot guys.” I doubt you’ll be telling them to do anything about that, though.
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I’ve read Matlocks article before.
Naomi wolf wrote it last time. Are those asshats really out of ideas?
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This is off-topic, but an interesting story about women accusing men falsely
« A tall, black male »
On Friday the 21st, the French Home Minister published the criminal statistics for 2010. Overall criminality in France has decreased by 2.1% last year, but criminal assaults were on the rise (2.5%), and most astonishing, criminal assaults against women in public spaces (in the streets, doesn’t include domestic violence) soared by a staggering 13%.
As usual, feminists were quick to react indignantly all the more since the French government had declared that violence against women would be « grande cause nationale » in 2010 : a top priority.
What happened ? Did men become more violent against women in 2010 ? Online newspaper Rue89 gives us the answer. Pickpockets have been very busy lately robbing last generation smartphones which can be sold at a good price on the black market. According to the parisian police, they registered a rise of 40% in the number of such thefts reported in 2010.
People usually try to get a refund ; the trouble is that insurance companies will refund the client only if his phone was stolen during a violent assault. But pickpockets don’t necessarily use violence. They use stealth.
A reporter investigating the matter for radio France Info called 15 retailers asking for advice. She pretended she left the phone on the table in a café and that it was stolen when she was inattentive. There was no assault. Nearly all the salespeople advised her to go to the police station to file a complaint so she would be delivered a paper that would legally coerce the insurance company to grant a refund. They suggested she should be accompanied by a friend who was supposed to have witnessed the assault and who would be able to corroborate the lie in front of police officers. Both salespeople who can be heard in the audio report advise her to tell that she had been attacked by a « tall, black male. »
The police estimates that one third of the complaints for assault are such lies designed to get a refund. A few people have been charged for false accusation.
Meanwhile, feminists launched a campaign using these datas, claiming that « sexual and violent attacks » against women have increased drastically.
How to convert female dishonesty into male violence.
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I find porn to be less stressful, and more pleasurable, than dealing with the opposite sex, in my opinion.
Let’s be honest: porn is the only thing most men have nowadays, since women only care about the top percentile of men. Taking that away won’t solve a thing. Instead of blaming men for turning to porn so much, how about we ask why men are doing so?
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@Nico
I don’t have it. I’ve never been there. He says it’s “Lush Stories” which I assume would be “.com” or “.net” + the title of the website. I’ve seen the same kind of shit before,though, an ex-girlfriend of mine even produced the kind of “erotic stories” he describes on paper for the amusement of female relatives.
Basically, the only people who would find it “erotic” are certified Michael Myers-style psychos and/or rapists.
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Thanks Nergal. I found it.
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http://www.lushstories.com/
Though we are all big boys here, I must point out that it is NSFW and has pornnnnnnnnnn on it.
Also, some of the stories suck, some aren’t half bad, and there is pretty much every kind of sex story you can think of , and some you don’t want to think of!
What it does prove, given the number of female authors, is that women aren’t asexual innocent lil angels.
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I am glad peirced head mentioned Chess.
It is a game that women have always played and enjoyed.
Yet…………..
There has never been (and I am sure there never will be) a female world champion, and I believe the highest position a woman has ever achieved in world rankings is twentieth.
…and the reason is obvious. Men are hunters. That requires abstract skills; the ability to see patterns. Women are gatherers and need different skills.
Tragically we live in a world where we are told that
1. There is no difference between men and women, and
2. Women are just as good as men at everything or would be if given the chance
Well, if women have been playing Chess for a thousand years or more, how come (by male standards) they are useles?. …but rest assured, some feminist or mangina will doubtless come up with some bizarre explanation!
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The differences in chess can be easily justified by the wider spectrum of the male IQ.
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Tom, the guy in the strip club you interviewed is the only one of all them who had even the slightest amount of common sense. Claiming a college girl working as a stripper is some kind of a victim is basically the same as claiming a drug dealer is a victim because his clients just won’t stop buying when he opens up his coat wares. Total bull.
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As to the wider spectrum of Male IQ mentioned by The Hermit:
This must be correct as I ALWAYS lose to women when playing Chess. Perhaps , if she could overcome her lethargy, Lara could beat me too.
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“It seems to be that many responses here are so embittered by the fact that they got screwed and that they believe it is now OK to screw anybody else. That doesn’t make one a good man by any feminist standards or standards of true masculinity.”
It seems to me that you are way off target with your views. What male in the West has not been affected by feminism since it has been the most influential ideological movement of the past 40+ years? You wrote: “they believe it is now OK to screw anybody else”. Where do you come up with your statements? How are men here saying that it is ok to screw anybody else? You are a true feminist here: any criticism of feminism is responded to with a personal attack on those making it. That’s Feminism 101. I’m surprised that you didn’t screech that the responses here are misogynistic. ‘Feminist Standards?’ What site do you imagine you are at; a site where men have not before studied the issues and facts? Wake up dude. Most of the regulars here are very aware of the feminist games and bs. As for your definition of ‘true masculinity’ call it for something else here such as true mangina-hood or white-knight servitude.
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From the men at “What men have to do to please Mrs. Tom Matlock’s movement” it is clear that the definition of misogynist needs to be expanded immediatly.
Please have the Gynarchy called immediatly and issue the press release to the NYT, WSJ and Washingto Post for immediate front page release:
“Any one who criticizes a mangina is, by revised definition misogyny v 2.0, a misogynist.”
There the “Uppity men at Spearhead” problem fixed by legislating morality Mrs. Matlack BP (by proxy).
Happy now?
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@J. Michael Hall
You are a platitude spewing retard just like Matlack. I’m angry because you both have the critical thinking skills of panicked chickens and I want to have an argument. I can’t figure out what you mean because you can’t write a coherent paragraph. It’s just a string of ambiguous platitudes.
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I was referring to going the “good man” route and getting married, being a loyal, faithful husband, etc. This ruins more good men than bad whiskey.
J Michael Hall said: “I have taught classes full of men who spout the anger about the injustice in the courts, the fact that they have no control over their family circumstance, and that a man can’t help but to look at good looking women. I did not try to teach them these feminist ideas about being a better man by not being so much of a man. I taught them to be a man. A real man, a man that likes a beautiful woman, that loves his kids, that appreciates beauty, and that is a true brother to other men. I see few of those qualities in so many of these comments. You say that there is nothing wrong with porn but it controls you. You say that women are all conniving but you were not man enough to not pick a sexy chick that lacked character and took you to the cleaners and KEPT you from being a man. You continue to be played by women, you allow the pushers to convince you that nobody can control you by restricting your base desires, but you continue to be hooked. Many men that think they are out there “Scoring” women are actually the score themselves, they gave a woman a baby (because of their primal nature) , they are on the hook for the financing of this kid, and the kid usually grows up to see that mom was a manipulator and dad was not man enough to NOT be manipulated. Matlack tries to expose where we may still be weak and less of a real man that it sounds like this site promotes. Matlack seems to be way closer to the goal.”
Any guy who starts spouting about “real men” gets my goat but when it’s the usual blaming men for rejecting feminist constructed society it’s just disgusting. You’re like a dick on a ship that is in danger of sinking telling everyone to shape up, be their best and try harder as people – rather than look at and do something about the situation around them.
If you get married, have kids and love your family there is no guarantee your wife will continue to love you. People change, fall out of love, meet someone else, or just plain get sick of each other. It’s normal life. After that when the divorce happens men are fucked good and simple. Your attitude is to blame men, “….you were not man enough to not pick a sexy chick that lacked character and took you to the cleaners and KEPT you from being a man”. What a fucking cheek. How the hell do you know who they picked? Men married to EVERY damn kind of woman can end up screwed. People CHANGE, and get divorced and having no rights in that situation is WRONG! If all you have to offer is “You were not man enough” and other infantile shaming horseshit and just blame the victim shit then you really are just a feminist’s dream. That is exactly the crap they come out with. It’s meaningless drivel that shames and blames the victim rather than actually just pursuing equality and respect for everyone in the courts. The response of people, “real” people who give a shit about themselves is to try to change the laws or avoid the situation at all costs, not respond to your poisonous crap with trying to “shape up” when however they behave bears next to NO relation to their rights.
One of the worst things feminism did you jackass is take anything good men have to offer in interpersonal relations and make it irrelevant! All the love a man has for his wife, his children his “brothers” is no protection from the chance of absolute legally enforced abuse. It takes something as natural as LOVE in any human being’s life and turns it into something hat can be incredibly dangerous for men. Don’t you understand how disgraceful and how awful that is? And all you jackasses have to offer is “don’t be bitter, stay off the porn, try to be better men”. Is that it? Oh and all wrapped up in an ocean of “real man” 1950s shaming crap.
Great.
Now gtfo.
Journey
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Wrong, the responses are embittered because there is no recourse. Not screwing tends to be the response.
Under color of law, men are slaves to sex, and women are the buyers at the meat market.
You can pull the strings. Doesn’t mean I will dance.
It means your strings no longer have a marionette attached. I understand your frustration. A puppet is suppose to do what you tell it to.
They did not sign on to BE a better person. They cut a deal to RAISE a family for better or worse.
Can you teach me to read minds and pull puppet strings?
Your Utopia is my Hell.
I believe the standard starts with do unto others. Men are not pigs, pigs are not men. The comparison is nonsensical.
A man should do many things. The first one being ensuring his survival. When the law prohibits a man from “having” a family by default. That man should look elsewhere for fulfillment.
Should, Could, Have, and done. This all really nice, but the “is-ought” problem was settled long ago.
Peace
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Ya know all the “real Man” and “good Man” crap is nonsense.
Ill tell ya what real/good Man is sort of like obscenity I cant really describe it. but i damn sure know one when i see one
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Now we’re all just angry and bitter because we chose to screw (or were screwed by) hot babes; rather than choosing modest, respectable women for their minds. You guys are doing nothing but cuntinuing to spew the feminist narrative. And you don’t even recognize it.
The Good Men Project is projecting feminist inspired guilt on all men.
It exists under the assumption men are BAD, and must be “cured”.
The only cure men need is to be deprogrammed from feminist dogma.
This includes “Good Men”.
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These crackpots had Christopher Kilmarten as a guest blogger, so I don’t see how there can ever be any hope for “Good Men Project.”
How telling that today’s instalment of male self-flagellation on “Good Men Project” clumsily stumbles around the landscape of male sexual objectification of women, but has no difficulty knowing exactly when to make a U-turn when it crosses the border into the much more fertile land of female sexual objectification of men.
Many men see women as objects of sex, when the man’s physical attraction for a woman is based on her reproductive fitness: youth, red lips, long neck, high cheekbones, curvy body,large breasts, firmness of behind, etc — all secondary indicators of fertility.
Many women see men as objects of sex, when the woman’s physical attraction for a man is based on his reproductive fitness: wealth, power, success, ambition, dominance, stature, aggressiveness, etc — all secondary indicators of genetic fitness.
Many men see women as a “fertility fitness object”, and many women see men as a “genetic fitness object.”
In the end, both see each other as “reproductive fitness objects.”
Just as nature intended.
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@Lara January 22, 2011 at 08:24
Watching porn just turns men into terrible lovers
this may be true i dont know i have never had sex with a man.
but im inclined to ask what is your basis for such a statement ?
did you pole 100 men and ask about their porn habits the have sex with them?
is a hundred even enough i mean you would almost have to do a 100 or so guys in different parts of the country to even get somewhere close to a good sampling.
im interested in how you came about this conclusion
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No, Tom Matlack says it controls HIM! Because he is spineless and morally bankrupt, therefore ALL MEN must be spineless and morally bankrupt – especially those of us who aren’t and who tell our wannbe savior to go pound sand in a rathole.
I’m not the one who goes searching out images of a dimwit like Katy Perry who has nothing to sell but her sexuality. That would be Tom Matlack.
Yet, like the complete moral coward that he is, he doesn’t admit to his own failings, but projects them on other men – most of whom do not share them with Tom. To put it in biblical terms – he’s a guy with an entire train load of beams in his own eye, who is so lacking in moral courage that in order to avoid having to face his own perversion, he gets busy clawing out the eyes of his brothers searching for the specks that he just knows are there, but really are not.
I work in an office full of women and I cannot get through a day without one of them shoving her tits in my face. Those who have them, flaunt them. I find it obnoxious in the extreme, but there is little I can do about it due to fools like you who will pounce on and blame men for the women doing it.
My internal reaction is “get those god damned things out of my face.” And that reaction does not miraculously turn off when I leave work and encounter some of this so-called “female beauty” that all you WhiteKnightManginaBots would have men react to within the very narrow and delusional constraints that you believe would make it OK to react.
If you fools want to completely drive men away from women, by allowing women to act like complete whores and punishing men for their natural reactions, then just keep on doing what you are doing.
Guys like you are harming women more than you can ever imagine. From the beginning of time women have known how to attract the attention of potential mates, but have realized that they had to do it with some finesse and restraint. Now you allow your women to walk around half naked looking like complete whores, and training them be whores when they are as young as 10, while walking around with your clubs ready to bash out the brains of any man stupid enough to fall for it and react.
And, you fully support the right of any woman to put any man in prison, even if he doesn’t react or maybe even never set eyes on the bitch.
Once again we have the WhiteKnightManginaBots hunting down men and trying to drill holes in their heads so you WKMBs can install your own perverse “software.”
I’ve said many times, at first jokingly but over time it has become deadly serious, the only “Rights” that the MRM is fighting for are the rights to have non-insane relationships with women. As long as I treat women like they probably have the plague, and experience extreme revulsion and nausea whenever some brain-dead bimbo shoves her tits in my face, I have most of the rights I need.
The biggest thing I have to worry about is WhiteKnightManginaBots trying to dodge responsibility for their own perversion by projecting it onto me, and Mike Nifonging me.
Way to go, doorknobs.
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Zed-”I’m not the one who goes searching out images of a dimwit like Katy Perry who has nothing to sell but her sexuality. That would be Tom Matlack. ”
Yes. Thank you. Note also this tool praises Lady Gaga on his “thumbs up” list, who is simply a porn star for artsy people.
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Any tool that would praise Lady Gag-me is probably too far gone to salvage. The only thing I really worry about is the way they seem to want to fanatically punish other men for their own perversions.
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The Good Men Project is a feminist attempt to subvert the burgeoning honest conversations men are having about women online. Feminists want to control what men are debating, as is exhibited in the links regarding men’s magazines that are run by women, so they wheel out their eunuch slaves to try and sucker men into their web of deceit. The men that work at these subversive sites need to be identified and noted down so that they can be discredited for the charlatans they are. The “good men” and at the good men project are the enemies of men and need to be dealt with.
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There are some damned good points coming out of the comments here.
I thank all of you.
Except the two yoo-hoo’s from that “Good Men Farce er uhm Project”.
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To see who screwed up the “good men” are take a look at this:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/courting-a-transition/
They’ve got a woman that thinks she’s a man trapped in a woman’s body writing for a man’s site. Perhaps the good men could answer why this woman is on a men’s site? Perhaps they could also answer how she could possibly know what it is to be a man when she is not one and has never been one? Why would any man want to take advice off of a woman pretending to be a man? More proof the “good men” are feminist shills.
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At least they came over here and took the heat.
I’ll give ‘em that much.
Ironically Katy Perry was relatively successful in the “faith market” for music before going mainstream. She’s a very talented vocalist, that shouldn’t have to posture sexually to sell her “art”. But yet, she sold out her “virtue” and female dignity/modesty for the almighty dollar. She’s empowered! Sound familiar?
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“The Good Men Project is a feminist attempt to subvert the burgeoning honest conversations men are having about women online.”
You go too far. The Good Men Project is a herd of brainwashed white knights and manginas slowly emerging into the conscious recognition that “something is wrong.”
Feminists are uncomfortable because it means that the fem-bot programming of children in our school system begins to wear off in middle age.
As an MRM supporter, I tend to regard The Good Men Project as mostly irrelevant. Some of these guys will wake up and smell the coffee, others will remain permanently confused by the cognitive dissonance between reality and their Feminist conditioning. I do not think that there is very much that anyone can say to influence these men either way, so mostly I stay away from The Good Men Project.
But you can be sure, I am glad that there are limits to the effectiveness of the Feminist brainwashing by our educational system!
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Possibly, and if their motives where indeed to share some information that I do agree with you, however, I wonder if the real reason they came by was to stir up sh!t. They now can go right back to their collective holes and talk about how the ‘men’ at the spearhead are so backward, embittered and hurt, and are actually defending their perversity. They could possibly be looking for some grist for their mill.
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Love here…love there…love everywhere…
WTF is love anyway?
Our whole world hinges on a fallacy. Love is as phoney as a lake front property on the moon.
Maybe if we could put love where it belongs, in the mothballs, things would get better and no more shame would be spilled all over.
We need a heavy dose of reality to wake us up.
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Most men are not obsessed with porn — it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise. In any event, prostitution used to be a lot more widespread and accessible in the West before the mid-20th century, and people still managed to avoid divorce and find decent wives.
@Anonymous
I don’t like porn, but I wish I did.
It is a shield of independence.
I dream of a day and place when men will live without women. Technically, we need two things to accomplish this:
1) The ability to artificially generate new human life.
2) Virtual reality that is so indistinguishable from reality that each man can have a virtual companion that will fulfil every emotional and physical need that is currently obtainable only through the indentured servitude of marriage.
As it currently stands, porn is more an addictive hazard than a valuable resource. But sufficiently improved, it can be one of the needed components for complete independence of men from women, and permanent separation of the genders.
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AntZ
Many men see women as a “fertility fitness object”, and many women see men as a “genetic fitness object.”
In the end, both see each other as “reproductive fitness objects.”
Yup. And by focusing only on the fact that men see women as “fertility fitness objects”, feminism has for over 40 years deliberately set about the project of increasing restrictions on men, while reducing restrictions on women. Because in the end, feminism is really all about taking all restrictions off of female hypergamy. Forget all that “equality” talk, that’s feminist cowshit.
It is all about alpha cock and beta bank accounts. Everything else is secondary.
Now comes Matlack, spouting 1970′s feminist tropes about how eeeeevilll men are for looking at the tits literally thrust in their faces all day, as Zed describes above. Does Matlack even touch on women’s responsibility to act like adults? Not a chance. It’s all about what a bad, bad, bad boy he is.
Which reminds me. Brother Zed may be the only other poster here who remembers that 70′s feminist slogan, “The Personal Is Political”. Seems to me Matlack is operating from that programming; his personal problem (likely got caught by lawyer-wife looking too long at another woman) must be a political issue. It couldn’t be a collision of genetic tendencies and modern female hypergamy, nah. It couldn’t be that, because it would imply women bear some responsibility for their own actions, and everyone knows that strong, independent, women are never responsible for anything bad they do but always get the credit for anything good.
Here’s a friendly suggestion for Matlack: the next time your guilt at being male overwhelms you, and your personal failings drive you to admit what a bad boy you are, rather than write another thumbsucker like this, filled with half truths and lies (by omission and commission), why don’t you just go to your lawyer-child advocate wife and confess your badness, and ask for the spanking you so richly deserve?
I’m sure both of you would enjoy that. And the rest of us would be spared another crapfestical article like this one.
Just a friendly suggestion. Nothing personal…
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“It is all about alpha cock and beta bank accounts. Everything else is secondary.”
I guess this is the best summary of the net effect of Feminism on modern society.
Women marry and then divorce a beta bank account, and then make themselves the playthings of alpha cock.
In return, the alphas reward the Feminists with absurdly generous male=>female social programs, so that any man who avoids one trap just falls right into the other.
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You’ve lived too long and now have too great a responsibility as a publisher to continue believing in Fairy Tales. If you were a 20 year-old Child of Clinton, I could understand.
No good deed goes unpunished. Why continue to act surprised when your enemy infiltrates, cuts the wire – then slits your throat?
This lesson was ostensibly learned eons before. It’s the Farmer & the Snake fable.
http://www.civprod.com/storylady/stories/FarmerAndSnake.htm
MRM’s “expect” opponents to see the “true logic” inherent in the argument and repent, recant – and join our ranks in the fight. That’s about as tenderly stupid as Christian Missionaries blubbering about the Bible to headhunters – then acting surprised when they wind up boiling in a pot as dinner.
Toughen up. Most of you act like naive children who resent a Drill Instructor for exposing their softness.
I have the distinct suspicion that most of you are too far gone as Government propagandized “Junior Mr. Sensitives” to ever be worth what even one Gay Pride Marcher is today.
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Anonymous, no. Men are not obsessed with porn. It permeates our culture because “empowered” women use sex to manipulate men. Feminism is making women unloveable and unmarrriageable. No wonder men are foregoing marriage and sticking with the cows that give away the milk for free.
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Nicole Kidman referred to the surrogate mother of her recent child as a “gestational carrier”. Talkin’ about objectification!
She’s right, but then because she’s Hollywood Elite, no one will criticize her for a politically incorrect slight.
Women are now “gestational carriers”…
…when they’re not peddling their sexuality.
Other than that; what is it again they do exactly?
…besides endlessly complaining about being “objectified”…
…depending on where they are in their menstration cycle.
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How is this possible? What an amazing coincidence.
Anyhow, even though I use it porn is largely irrelevant to my life. For limited effort it serves the purpose of not having to think about women so I am free to get on with my life.
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Some of the comments here have made for some of the most interesting conversation I’ve read here on The Spearhead. As a woman, I’ve learned a lot
@ J. Michael Hall
I know you don’t think you are controlled by feminist ideology, but unfortunately you are. A lot of other comments have made valid points in this regard so I won’t say much. However, I suggest you try to stop using shaming terms such as “real men” (in your first response) and “true men” (in your second response). These are terms that women use to humiliate men.
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@ Tom Matlack
I read your piece and I couldn’t help but laugh at your list of women men should love. I thought I had stumbled onto the Jezebel site :
Kate Middleton: Really? Are you serious, sir? A good number of Britons don’t even like her. I don’t think there’s a woman who has so perfected the art of gold-digging.
Patti Stanger: I have watched her show, Millionaire Matchmaker. She is brash, rude, and condescending person. A woman who supposedly has a high success rate when it comes to matching couples, but, at the age of 49, still hasn’t found husband NUMBER ONE! I wouldn’t wish this woman upon my worst enemy.
Gwyneth Paltrow: A dumb-as-rocks “actress.” Her arrogance and self-entitlement is astounding, even by celebrity standards. But if that’s your thing…
Lady Gaga: What? Why?
Michelle Obama: An intelligent woman, none-the-less. But she also a racist, misandric, and bitter woman.
I’m not going to lie, I haven’t read many pieces on the Good Men Project site. But honest discussion on the state of men in America it is not.
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“You won’t have “decent wives” and “stable families” with porn permeating the culture like it does now, because it alienates women from men. The men’s obsession with porn makes them unlovable. Why does it have to be everywhere? It was not like that just 10 or so years ago.”
Women are the ones who are obsessed with sex and porn far more than men. I think an increasing number of men are seeing their sex drives as nuisances because real relationships are more trouble than they’re worth. Porn is a quick & easy solution to a persistent problem but far from an obsession. Also, does porn really “permeate the culture” now more than 10 years ago? Is it really everywhere? What is the basis for this claim? There have been magazines with swimsuit issues forever. Women’s magazines have had lots of cleavage and the promise of idiotic sex chatter on the covers for as long as I can remember. There used to be a lot of “erotic thriller” type movies in the mainstream and those are long gone. There used to be more T&A type tv shows on regular tv like Baywatch and that’s largely gone. Porn is pretty much just on the internet these days and you won’t see it if you don’t look for it and you leave your search engine on moderate safe mode.
Top 100 magazines – very little porn.
http://nyjobsource.com/magazines.html
Recent top rated tv shows. Nothing very sexy here.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/01/19/tv-ratings-broadcast-top-25-nfl-playoffs-ncis-greys-anatomy-modern-family-and-60-minutes-lead-week-17-viewing/79313
Here are top movies, no preoccupation with sex evident in movies aimed at men.
http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/WBOYearly.php?y=2010
Top websites
http://mostpopularwebsites.net/1-50/
I think the relationship between the sexes has changed fundamentally now that sex roles have been largely eliminated. Men have to think of women as competition and this makes us much less interested in traditional relationships. We don’t really know what we’re supposed to do and we know we’ll be criticized no matter what. Many men have had their confidence destroyed by constant hostility from women for no discernable reason. We need time away from women and it’s impossible to get if you’re in a relationship. Women are noticing that men are avoiding them and they’re desperately looking for a way to blame this entirely on men. Porn is a ridiculous easy-answer scapegoat explanation.
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@Ms_Fu
People like you make me think that peaceful co-existence between men and women might be possible.
Thank you for having the integrity to forego entitlement, the empathy to recognize the agony of male dispossession, and the courage to speak your mind in a milieu where you may at times feel less than fully welcome.
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@Lara
“… I just think viewing pornography would desensitize a man to real life women and all their charms … ”
That is the purpose of it. The “charms” you speak of are frequently as hazardous as the charms of a siren beckoning Greek soldiers to their death.
In a world where marriage is increasingly a synonym for male slavery, any means available for men to plug their ears against such “charms” are welcome.
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@ AntZ,
Thanks. I’m here a lot but I have a lot more to learn than I have to say, so I mostly just read what others write.
@ Lara
Take a page from my book. Instead of just writing ridiculous comments, just read what the men have to say. You’ve been around here at least as long as I have, but it is apparent that you’ve learned nothing so far.
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Lara the troll:
To answer your question I just think viewing pornography would desensitize a man to real life women and all their charms. They might all start to seem the same to him.
Do you think that viewing Oprah and other shows might desensitize a woman to real life men and all their charms? That they might all start to seem the same to her, such that she’d go around saying things like ‘Men are all the same’, “Men, can’t live with them, can’t shoot them” and so forth? Think that might happen?
FWIW, the fastest growing pr0n niche on the web seems to be amateurs; ordinary women and men posting their home made vids, or even having someone else video them while they are engaged in sex. A man who views these would on the one hand see quite a lot of ordinary women and their charms. On the other hand, he’d likely see any number of sexual practices that his wife will refuse to do…or more likely refuse to do anymore. It is grimly amusing that women fret about men’s sexual expectations in terms of “oh, what if he wants to do those things I did before we were married?” instead of “what would please him?”.
Of course, for most women, pleasing themselves is all that matters.
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That’s true for everyone, whether they admit it or not.
“Real life women” are not “charming”.
Their attitude is unpleasant, bordering on ill-mannered.
Because heaven forbid, they might give an undesirable “the wrong idea” and then have to be bothered with fending off his advances. Men are polite, gracious and even jovial. Women are surly, scornful, condescending and rudely, openly dismissive of men not in their perview of attraction.
They don’t like men they see no use for, because they’ve been taught men are useless.
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“Guys like you are harming women more than you can ever imagine. From the beginning of time women have known how to attract the attention of potential mates, but have realized that they had to do it with some finesse and restraint. Now you allow your women to walk around half naked looking like complete whores, and training them be whores when they are as young as 10, while walking around with your clubs ready to bash out the brains of any man stupid enough to fall for it and react”
You’ve probably described why over half the women at the SH come here; they realize their game is being ruined.
I’ve always thought it a huge disposition for men to teach boys to exaggerate their sexuality, take dumb risks and leave everything out in the open, while teaching girls to suppress their sexuality and be more calculating.
Now there is “empowerment” but in this regards I think it is more so men being empowered (hehehehe). The enormous problem, however, is that we are giving no responsibility towards women and we are allowing destructive disinformation, like what’s commingle from the “good men” project, to give boys the false impression of their sexuality, women’s sexuality, and the options they have.
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Anonymous Reader-”Do you think that viewing Oprah and other shows might desensitize a woman to real life men and all their charms?”
Yes!!!!!!! Let’s add Romance Novels, Women’s Erotica, Chick Flicks, Women’s Studies, and 90% of the Self-Help industry to the pile.
As i have said before, I will happily concede that porn is a net negative for society when women concede their emotional porn of choice is too.
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“Do you think that viewing Oprah and other shows might desensitize a woman to real life men and all their charms? That they might all start to seem the same to her, such that she’d go around saying things like ‘Men are all the same’, “Men, can’t live with them, can’t shoot them” and so forth? Think that might happen?”
Hoards of women actually enjoy seeing every day men as abusive… wtf.
Dr. Phillips just recently came out with his campaign to… “end the silence of domestic abuse”. The hypocrite not only ignores male victims but actually excused it and renamed domestic violence, relationship issues when it comes when it comes to a man as a victim. While Dr. Phillips is a fucking asshole for this alone and quite a few people are calling him on it the problem isn’t really him. His audience just loves watching man bad woman good. Its fucking depraved.
I myself don’t see much of women’s entertainment. Like most men I ignore it, but I at least recognize some of the trash and how it does reflect on women. I really wonder what men would think if they saw more of women’s entertainment. Would they turn away so they could continue pedestalizing and not face the some of the widespread grossness.. I don’t look at it often but it can be shallow or depraved and if it surprised me I think it would surprise alot of other men too. I wondered how often men would have to see it before it finally registered with them that this is what women enjoy seeing. I’m not even trying to say that men’s media is better but I think the women’s bad immoral taste is being enormously underestimated.
I thinks its only a matter of time before just about all men will be forced to face the strangeness of the pedestal they give women with ever expanding women’s culture (invading men’s spaces) and the increasing costs of never holding women responsible.
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Dr. Phil that is.
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Satyajit Roy January 22, 2011 at 13:31
Your equating anything sexually odd, which is relative, to porn. With a hugely expanded definition I’m sure you’ll having useful discussions…
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Anonymous-
1. 35% of porn viewers are women. Are you willing to shame them in the same way you’re shaming male porn viewers?
2. Have you ever picked up women’s erotica? Women’s erotica makes the average porn look like an R-rated movie on cinemax. Are you willing to shame readers of women’s erotica?
If the answer is “no” to either of those things, then you a re acolossal hypocrite. But if you’re a woman, we can take that as a given.
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Dear, dear S.R.
I’m not interested in how fucked up indian culture is and I’m sure I’m not alone.
Why don’t you go spam an indian blog?
I’m not saying that your views aren’t true, but they aren’t relevant to western society.
One thing you might try is reversing the emigration of intelligent indians from india. Get them to go back to their roots (unblinkered by your local traditions). Think how many destitute indians could be helped by an influx of people who are accustomed to paying 40-50% taxes.
You could trigger a huge wave of beneficial social development in India.
But don’t bother keeping us updated – we don’t, on the whole, care
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Interesting you bring up singers. Ask yourself:
Who pays more attention to female pop singers, men or women?
Is Miley Cyrus acting slutty because it is increasing her record sales to pornography consumers?
Come on, be real. Besides a handful of fetishists, it’s overwhelmingly girls, women and gay men who care about female pop stars — I honestly don’t know any of their names aside from the most famous of all (I had no idea who Katy Perry was until the recent Elmo fiasco, and only then because my daughter likes Sesame Street). So how could porn consumption have anything to do with it, unless the consumers in this case are girls and women? Do men even watch MTV any longer?
Do men watch that über-slutty America’s Next Top Model show? The rampant sluttiness is no more and no less than unrestrained female competition.
Yes, we covered that a few days ago in the Mormon lady article.
The reason for UK too is that we have the same issues as the USA.
We haven’t got VAWA by name, but we’ve got the same kind of mangina / white knight legal system, FRA, guaranteed child custody by women, fault free divorce (or near enough).
But we have absolutely got the rigid determination by the politival clarses to ignore all the problems in society, except to add more fubar laws
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Anonymous says
“Ofc, not all men are obsessed with porn. But many are (it’s a lucrative industry supported by men).”
How many? What percentage? You need to back this up with something rational. How lucrative? How is that evidence that many men are obsessed with it?
“The culture has never been like this, even just a couple of decades or so ago, porn was not mainstream. Now it’s everywhere. ”
What do you mean by everywhere? Is it really everywhere or are there just lots of people talking about it and claiming it’s everywhere? You need to back that up with something. If this is really the worst it’s ever been you should ask yourself why it’s happening now when women appear to have more power than ever before. Women are the majority of voters. Women get the majority of college degrees. Women are the majority of the workforce. You’d think it would be getting better if men were the problem wouldn’t you?
“Every singer has to put it out like a prostitute to even be noticed (even a nice girl like Rihanna started as a sweet looking singer and quickly went to a “Girl gone bad”). ”
As W.F. Price says, men are not buying Rihanna. When men say that women/girls shouldn’t dress provocatively feminists get upset because this is an example of men trying to “control women’s sexuality.”
“Oh, and increasingly more men are unmarriagable as well, there is simply not much they can offer any more.”
We feel the same way about you. Notice how none of us seem interested in meeting you are finding out your name. Why don’t you go away? Go to some website for women like goodmenproject.com and make irrational, unsubstantiated claims there where nobody will call you on it.
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@ lara
Lara January 22, 2011 at 12:10
Lara if you had made the above statement FIRST i would have some respect for it because you were making an opinion.
your first statement
sounds like a statement of fact. base on nothing apparently not even personal experience.
Lara nobody is perfect we all let stupid slip out of our mouths from time to time. but you do it on a consistent basis! once more its TYPED!!!! so you have all the time in the world to think about it before you post it.
as i have said before mabey you should consider taking a break from posting and actually read what people are writing. ask yourself does what you are about to say have anything to do with the post ? is it helpful ? is it a fact or an opinion ? did you make it clear wich? heck even if its funny would be ok . think on all that . then count to ten before you hit submit
@ MS_Fu thank you for your comment
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Anonymous- WOMEN are the ones bringing it out in the open. It is their choice to dress like skanks, and dress their daughters like skanks. Guarantee you, were a strong father in the lives of these little girls, they would not even be allowed to watch Disney cartoons with scantily-clad female characters. Men do not have any porn assets to flash around in public. Women choose to flash them around. You’re blaming men for something that is WOMEN’S FAULT. How on earthe are men at fault for a porn-saturated culture, when women are choosing to dress and act like hookers? You are a delusional hypocrite.
Furthermore, you are a hypocrite to admit you get off on porn, but men are somehow scummy for doing it too.
You should be ashamed of your hypocrisy and self-delusion. But again, you’re a woman, so you probably consider it empowerment. And you wonder why men don’t want to marry you stupid skanks anymore.
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Great article. The good men project is a blatant and anxious feminist appropriation and colonization attempt by some more traditional men sacked with male guilt and by feminists. What seems more news worthy to me is how it seems to be traditional minded women and feminist minded women. Social conservatives and social progressives teamed up again. This goes back to the 70s with the anti porn crusades of dworkin and others. The fact is that men of my generation, and other generations, have gotten fed up with it.
Hell, my femdar was going off when I saw their name. What is so bad about men that we need to be made ‘good’ and who controls this definition of good. Where do they gain the moral authority to even dictate such a thing? I am really tired of feminists and their ego driven ideas. Who are they to redefine the identity of half the species? It just goes to show how much more they are affected by their base natures. The herd mentality is strong in women. On a individual level they are always trying to change you. A relationship is nothing more than the tool women use to change a man into something they no longer feel attracted too. Feminism allows them to do the same thing on a grand scale.
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@Herbal Essence-WOMEN are the ones bringing it out in the open. It is their choice to dress like skanks, and dress their daughters like skanks. Guarantee you, were a strong father in the lives of these little girls, they would not even be allowed to watch Disney cartoons with scantily-clad female characters.
Yes; women are largely responsible for the ‘pornification’ of little girls and for the other “beauty myth” and “objectification” of which feminists bemoan. Look at the entertainment and toys that are marketed to little girls. The Disney Princesses are very sleazy characters and the story lines are nothing like the original fairy tales. Bratz dolls and the knock-offs they inspired are even worse. “Tween” culture, including Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus, is heavily marketed to preschool girls. There are mini skirts and all sorts of clothing and accessories so little girls can don the “prostitot” look from the earliest of ages. There are very young girls going to nail salons now and an entire princess salon for children is forming. Cosmetics are regularly being used by girls in early elementary school grades according to an article I recently came across. And mothers are obviously buying this garbage for their small girls as they keep selling it and coming out with more.
This wasn’t happening, at least not mainstream as now, when I was a small child….and I’m only twenty-five.
The entire “princess/whore culture” aimed at young girls is disturbing. Little girls should be with baby dolls and play kitchens not the sleazy toys that are so popular now.
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Satyajit- “What is the sex and race of the marketers, Hestia?”
I work in the marketing industry, and our industry is mostly white & female.
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Anonymous- “Women spend money on their kids (and boyfriends or to look nice for their boyfriends)”
80% of consumer spending is done by women, and 75% of all retail stores are dedicated to women’s beauty, fashion, and cosmetics. On top of that the ginormous industry of spas, salons, plastic surgery, etc. Women ain’t spending money on their kids and boyfriends thats for damn sure.
“one cannot deny that porn is a lucrative industry not just for the women involved but largely for the men too.”
Porn creators are going out of business left and right because of all the amateurs giving it away for free online. So your claim about men spending loads of money on porn, and your claim of it being lucrative, are both wrong. Actually, amateur porn is a great example of just how skanky women are these days. You don’t even have to pay them to act like a hooker on camera. Goooo Team Woman!!!
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Satyajit, you are totally giving yourself away with this. You might as well be wearing a transparent blouse and no panties.
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Jonbenet Ramsey’s mother should have been convicted of child abuse, and kiddie porn.
http://www.google.com/images?q=jonbenet+ramsey&hl=en&client=opera&hs=hLo&rls=en&channel=suggest&prmd=ivnso&source=lnms&tbs=isch:1&ei=-XE7TYjgLoL48Aa7yNWACw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ
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Anonymous-”That’s not “empowerment”, that’s just money making or prostitution or whatever you prefer to call it. Yes, a lot of it is geared towards self indulgence. It’s not about men or women, it’s about culture.”
See, this is Anonymous’s disingenuous little song and dance. She comes on here and blames men for being addicted to porn and slutting up the culture. We correctly call out her BS, by pointing out women are choosing to behave like hookers. And instead of answering our criticisms, suddenly it’s the fault of “culture.” What a load of trash.
Anonymous, why don’t you just admit that you believe women can do no wrong, ever, no matter what? Why don’t you admit that your fellow vagina owners are making our society into a brothel?
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Satyajit- Lenon Honor has clearly stated in an interview that he believes women are intrinsically superior to men. You cannot seriously expect us to take that bozo seriously.
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Anonymous- The only way guys sponsor the women’s vanity industry is by having their wives and girlfriends take their money and spend them on those things. The reason why women are able to do 80% of consumer spending is because they get their husband’s money and spend it. Which, ultimately, is what marriage is all about to women, right? “My money is mine, and his money is mine.”
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Here we go again. “Girls gone wild” is not some male conspiracy. Nobody forces college women to take off their tops in exchange for glass beads down on Bourbon Street, on camera. They do it of their own free will, because they’ve been taught for years that whatever they want they should have.
Women are intimately involved in all branches of the culture. Women run advertising agencies. They produce magazines. They are free, strong, proud and independent. They run their own porn studios, for crying out loud. It’s long past the day when anyone could claim that women somehow are being tricked or fooled into these things.
Women are just as sexual as men, in their own way, especially in their 20′s. They crave sex with alpha men. They want it. And they’ll do whatever they can to get it, because of hypergamy.
In traditional cultures, including the US of just 45 years ago, female hypergamy was controlled, and directed. Since 1968 or so, female hypergamy has been increasingly unleashed and “raunch culture” is but one side effect. The high divorce rate, the fact that 2/3 of divorces are initiated by women, the high abortion rate in many countries, all are also effects of female hypergamy unleashed.
The “tits in the face” everyday experience at the office Zed explicated is another effect. The ability of false rape accusations to stick is another.
And here’s Anonymous blathering all over the place, contradicting herself, and clueless Indian-beta-boy talking about things he’s totally ignorant of. All in a thread about “Good Men” — as defined by whom?
As defined by feminists…riders of the cock carousel who want that beta walking-wallet once they get close to 30 and the biological clock starts dinging.
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Dear SR and Lara
nope, don’t read your shite that often, certainly don’t follow any links
Like pretty much everyone with XY tendancies, I just hit that red button and move on (you two should too and take the latest troll ‘anon’ with you)
FOAD
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@Anonymous
You have made a bunch of assertions here and you have failed to back any of them up with anything specific other than Rihanna. I have no idea what she looks and I’m quite certain she makes the kind of music that is bought primarily by females. Your main claim throughout this thread has been that men are the problem. Your one specific example is some singer who dresses like a slut to sell music to females. You apparently think that facts and logic are only for sociologists.
I am constantly dissappointed by arguments with folks like you. You are so lazy and inane. I didn’t learn a single thing from you. If I made a bunch of assertions and someone asked for evidence I’d try to find some and if I couldn’t I’d be forced to accept that I didn’t know what I was talking about and that I might be wrong. I hate being wrong. People like you just don’t care and I find that disturbing.
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Wow. I just got done reading the Amanda Marcotte wiki page and I am shocked. I knew she wrote for pandagon and was a feminist but I didn’t know she was on Edwards campaign. Just look how close she got to the white house. He didn’t win but still.
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It appears that SR has got over his “US society is so much better than India’s matriarchy” stint that he was on only last week (or was it the week before)?
You’re just brim full of shit
And ‘model minority’?
Asians have been accused to preying on young white girls by the ex home secretary in the UK. Google “Straw girls asian” – any number of hits.
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Satyajit-
I will concede the American male fear of body hair on women. I’ve actually made fun of my male friends for being freaked out by it. But removing body hair does not account for much of the overall vanity spending.
Actually, most American men don’t even notice when their girlfriends get body treatments. Seriously, the women complain all the time. “OMG I totally got a new haircut and my nails done and wore a new dress and he didn’t even notice!”
Women chase vanity to show their social status. Attracting men doesn’t have much to do with it, though she may pretend it does. And many women in America will admit they chase beauty & fashion for reasons other than men.
When wives “Let themselves go” it mostly refers to that they gain copious amounts of weight. Beauty treatments & fashions are not the subject of that colloquialism.
I do not blame women for spending a modest amount of money on fashion and beauty. I spend a modest amount of money on fashion, too. I just bought two nice new neckties today in fact. I’m criticizing the rampant trend and beauty lust, so hyped-up that women go into massive credit card debt to buy the latest fashions.
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Saty’s been around for a while — I know her from her former incarnation. She’s a bit more sophisticated than she used to be, but the gambit fell apart pretty quickly under some scrutiny. Also, our Indian readers here saw it for what it was.
Thanks, guys, for pointing the obvious out to me.
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@ Satyajit Roy
I have dish network, I think it’s the 200 but I really don’t remember. I’ve had it for a little over 2 years and I’ve not once seen a music video being played when I was flipping channels. I’m not sure how big music videos are these days. I guess most of it’s on youtube and other websites. Hip hop may have the raunchiest videos and the primary buyers of hip hop may be white but we’d have to establish how popular hip hop is and how many people who buy the music watch the videos. Good luck figuring that out. From what I could find it looks like R&B is 15 – 20% of album sales. I have no idea how to translate that to video views and then you gotta figure out what percentage of the videos are raunchy. I’m sure there are raunchy hip hop videos but I tend to doubt that they are a particularly significant cultural influence.
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Just hope everyone notices what’s happening here, okay? This is how women invade male spaces just as some posters had said earlier in another thread and in the past I had suggested to ignore them. Possibly not the best idea anymore.
Little by little, they post something, it may get voted down, but they ‘hang around.’ Then, they agree with each other, Lara and anon find SR’s posts amusing and’ refreshing’ even though they are completely full of sh!t.
Birds of a feather of course.
Not sure what the right course is, but as the Spearhead gains more and more attention, you can bet your bottom dollar that more of these ‘types’ will show up. I think the more militant types may have been on to something in the past when they blasted other trolls into oblivion.
Just an observation.
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They would if she had any talent. 99% of the crap that women can’t get enough of and think is musical genius can be produced in 5 minutes on a keyboard by a retarded monkey with Down syndrome.
What actually sells this dog shit pop music to women is the female vocalist acting like a slut. That’s the female version of being a “ghetto-hard gangsta”, that’s “cool” for women. It has nothing to do with men or our preferences at all.
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Are you kidding me? The primary consumers of this music are women and girls, and they love it. It is women who sexualize themselves for women in the MSM, internet porn is a masturbatory aid, nothing more.
Complaining about porn is like guys complaining about dildos.
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Oh, and this is to the Indian guy/girl/hermaphrodite, whatever the fuck it is. The reason our women are pole dancing for recreation is because nobody is restricting their sexuality. When not restricted by ostracization or shame, women naturally “race to the bottom”. It’s not porn, it’s not men’s sexuality,it isn’t anything except for women acting like women do when nobody calls them on their bullshit.
I really wish we could, unfortunately our grandfathers sold us down the river and gave the cunts the right to vote because they were too soft and it went downhill from there. Now if you criticize a woman, they call the cops on you, and in most places, the cops have to take you to jail. It’s literally a crime to tell them to stopacting like sluts.
Place the blame where it belongs. You need to find a mirror to point your finger at.
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Bullshit. It’s a well-known fact that hip-hop came about as a result of the famous New York blackout when black youths looted music stores. The reason early hip-hop utilized keyboards,turntables, and such is because these are the “instruments” that were looted.
Nice try, but I know a little about music history.
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To back up my claim
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What difference does it make who created the “mainstream industry” of hip-hop?
What this obviously boils down to is your own inability to admit the truth, that it is women who are responsible for sluttifying themselves and that they are enjoying the attention they receive from some men,but especially other women for doing it. Ergo, it is what one would call a “fair” transaction even if some people would rather such transactions not take place. It doesn’t matter if some record producer is benefiting off of it as a middleman, it is ultimately the seller, the woman, who is pushing it.
We aren’t buying your bullshit. You can pretend to be a man, a woman, an indian, an american or a 3-legged hippopotamus,but your misandry gives you away.
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So, Skadi is back, eh?
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So you are a racist as well as a sexist?
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I disagree.
But seeing as you are here only to troll and are not adding anything substantial to the discussion, which is the demonization of male sexuality by feminists and their male henchmen, I will refrain from addressing you or your racist and sexist views from this point forward in the interest of furthering discussion along those lines. I encourage others to do likewise,but each man is his own master.
Troll away.
I am sure everyone here sees through your ploy,anyway.
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The Good Men Project has always been off course. The reason being is that it is feminist and places no culpability upon women what so ever. I’ve hated that site from the beginning.
IT IS ALSO HEAVILY CENSORED LAST TIME I CHECKED.
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@Lara, the resident cunt of The Spearhead
Certainly. For example, posting multiple comments of crap on The Spearhead.
That never gets old.
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“Just hope everyone notices what’s happening here, okay? This is how women invade male spaces just as some posters had said earlier in another thread and in the past I had suggested to ignore them. Possibly not the best idea anymore.
Little by little, they post something, it may get voted down, but they ‘hang around.’ Then, they agree with each other, Lara and anon find SR’s posts amusing and’ refreshing’ even though they are completely full of sh!t.
Birds of a feather of course.
Not sure what the right course is, but as the Spearhead gains more and more attention, you can bet your bottom dollar that more of these ‘types’ will show up. I think the more militant types may have been on to something in the past when they blasted other trolls into oblivion.
Just an observation.”
BUMP.
Realtors do this on housing bubble blogs also.
Noise and distraction. Nothing more.
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My comment is awaiting moderation over there….we will see if it gets up…
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Tom Matlack is a stupid, beta, mangina, father, husband, provider, loser, smuck. I know because I was him until very recently. Stupid Tom does NOT realise that, in all likelyhood, more than 50%, his ‘darling wifey’ is fooling around behind his back because he’s such a beta smuck she has contempt for him. Just like my darling ‘wifey’ was most likely doing. And stupid Tom does not know he is one lie away from being totally f***ed over by now contemptuous wifey.
I almost feel sorry for stupid Tom. He’s the sort of guy who is much more likely to kill himself when wifey reveals her true personality. I’ve spoken to PLENTY of guys just like Tom over the last three years. When wifey f***s them over they simply can not believe the cruelty and contemptuousness with which it is done. Just like I couldn’t. And were will all the ‘good women’ who he talks about being worthy of a mans love be? They will HATE on him just like they hated on me.
Hey. Stupid Tom? Try reading about the REAL nature of women!
And 220+ comments. Articles like this really ping a nerve among men.
No Thomas. You are just a stupid, man-hating, white-knighting, mangina apologist. I despise little boys like you. You have the fact in front of you and you refuse to talk about them. You are not worthy of the title ‘man’ and I would not use it to describe you. Your article is quite dispicable. I copied my comment onto spearhead so that the men can see whether or not you have the balls to allow it through the moderation process. I am sure your wifey might let you have you balls back from her purse for 5 minutes to allow my comments, won’t she?
Awesome Zed. Thanks for saying that.
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Antz, if you met the women I date you would be meeting women you would love to co-exist with peacefully. It’s only these western women who are so hateful. Eastern european women are fine. The biggest problem I have with them is they are very independent and very stubborn. Mostly because their grandmothers alienated their grandfathers and now the grandchildren who are MEN will generally not lift a finger to help them.
Over xmas one of my lady friends was home in the czech republic and they had 80cm of snow. She asked her brother to shovel the snow. He refused. That was HER problem. So my lady friend went out and was all ‘equal’ shovelling snow over the three day period. Only to become very ill. She won’t accept my offers to help her as she is all ‘independent’ now. LOL! I was talking to her just this morning about a time when she was very upset and very sad and I have comforted her and helped her get over this and bring her spirits back up. She had forgotten it completely in her ‘indepenence’ and ‘not needing a man’. It’s actually very sad. She really wants children and she can’t find the ‘good man’ she ‘doesnt need’. But when she has a ‘friend’ in a very, very good man like me? She completely forgets the small acts of care and kindness I have done for her. They don’t fit the picture you see. How sad is that? Very.
As far as Katy Perry goes. I suppose no-other men here noticed that when asked about the move from ‘faith’ to ‘shit’ music and why she did it that she answered ‘I sold my soul to satan’.
Further. I saw her video of ‘Firework’ this weekend on late night music. I wonder how many men notice that the visuals in ‘firework’ are very, very similar to the visuals in ‘Logans Run’ where all the 30 year olds go to carosell to die because, you know, there were too many old people and so they had to be killed. And in the time of logans run the defintion of ‘old’ has become 30. Did anyone else notice that Obamacare openly talks about conselling old people about ‘euthanasia’? But don’t worry. It’s all just a co-incidence.
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The people I feel most sorry for are Toms two boys. These poor little bastards don’t stand much of a chance with their father being such a mangina. I hope they get over the abuse he is feeding them on a daily basis.
Hey Thomas? Why don’t you send your older boy over to http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=30 and let him READ FOR HIMSELF just how ‘wonderful’ women are? And how about you stop telling him lies about how ‘wonderful’ women are? Let him figure it out for himself.
If my parents failed me in anything? It was that they did not teach me the true nature of women. I had to learn that the hard way through the divorce courts and subsequent hated spewed at me by women for having the temerity to stand up for my rights.
Thomas. It is for young boys like yours I labour. And it is against enemies like YOU poisoning the minds of boys as to how ‘sugar and spice’ women are, that I labour. Like minded men and I are going to bring in a system of law that protects the rights of ALL MEN against ANY person who had infringed their rights. Male or female. And since women commit FAR more crime against FATHERS than ANY other group we are starting with prosecuting crimes against fathers.
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I realize you’ve probably left the building, but if you ever feel the urge to write articles instructing men how to identify women of poor character and describe the techniques such women use to control a man, I would guess that Bill would be happy to run them here at the Spearhead. I have the impression that’s not the sort of thing The Good Men Project would go for.
(It would be nice to be proved wrong.)
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Whether women can see it or not, buying into the woman victim/man bad schtick is a major ball and chain on their existence. They effectively keep themselves down. So do the lancelot types who back that nonsense up.
By simply side-stepping all that stuff, one can become immune to it. Also, those folks take themselves outta the frame. l figure it is wise and prudent not to rub their crappola in their faces and draw attention to the fact that l’m onto their game.
There’s something of a catch 22 at play. Being part of an aware minority makes it possible to fly under the radar and bilk the upside of this diseased culture’s double-stanadrds. Drawing attention, puts a target on one’s back.
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From the Good Men Project’s own website:
“With a name like the Good Men Project, some folks assume that we’re going to tell men how to be good. [...] Others have called us “feminists” because, we suspect, we celebrate, publish, and appear to be very popular with women. (Ms. Magazine said we are “what enlightened masculinity might look like in the 20th century.”)”
They then go on to claim this is actually not the case because they are merely publishers, not writers, and that they don’t like censorship.
An interesting test to see if this is the case would be to write an article with an obvious antifeminist bias on one of the more inflammatory subjects, like cuckoldry and mandatory paternity testing, and send it over. Their submission guidelines don’t seem all that strict; the only serious clauses I could find involve divulging one’s real name and giving them exclusive publishing rights. If they don’t publish a good, thought-provoking article, then we know they’ve got an agenda that they aren’t disclosing.
Even if they don’t have a secret feminist agenda, they do have to draw the line somewhere as to what they publish, and Price has a point in that their current crop of articles suggests they aren’t being all that discerning.
Regarding the content of the porn discussion in particular, I think it’s important to distinguish porn (as in media designed for sexual stimulation) and sex in other media.
For porn, the problem is not so much that average men and women can’t compete with porn (we’ve got plenty of social pressure and shaming going around to ensure a proper balance there) but rather that dating consumes so much money, effort, and time that the only alternative to porn that most people can afford is total asexuality.
Sex in other media, like advertising commercials, the slutty pop singers mentioned in an earlier comment, and Hollywood movies, is an entirely different matter and deserves its own subject of discussion, not simply to be lumped in with porn. It’s a societal problem that affects both men and women, and I don’t think there is any dispute as to the fact that it is bad. If we’re going to go around blaming people, it would actually be more appropriate to blame women than men, since they have most of the buying power and are therefore the ones spending the money that perpetuates the problem. Much like slavery in the 18th century, sex in modern media is an integral part of society, to the point that removing it would cause society to cease to function for a very long time. Society is going to have to evolve to a point where it’s no longer necessary before this problem can be solved.
Also, so far as I am aware, the “Good Men Project” has absolutely nothing to do with the “Men Are Good” website.
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I really despise stupid little boys like you michael. These ‘women of poor character’ happen to be VIRTUALLY ALL WESTERN WOMEN in case you didn’t notice. I have evidenced this and that evidence is not refutable.
Further, it is NOT the women controlling the lives of these men. It is MEN WITH GUNS AND CAGES who act unlawfully on knowingly perjurous testimony. You think a man is ‘afraid’ of a woman? THAT’S how delusional you are you f***wit. The men are, very rightlyfully, afraid of MEN WITH GUNS AND CAGES. They are also not so happy about men who steal from their bank accounts called judges and magistrates.
If men like you were knifed and gutted in the street? I would CHEER!
Now how about you EDUCATE YOURSELF before you sprew your lies and hatred in a place like this. Here. You can read all about the CRIMES committed against me by two governments and legal systems right here. The reason I have gone public and lawfully published video, transcript, court order evidence of the crimes committed in the courts is to reveal to the young men that these are CRIMES and NOT ‘bad luck’.
I have also released letters I have written to Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, Brian Cowan and Mary McAleese to demonstrate the the prime ministers of Australia and Ireland as well as the President of Ireland are perfectly happy to be complicit in these crimes.
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/14/threadid/606/scope/posts/Default.aspx
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Not sure who said it but they are pig ignorant. If you read up on Russian history 1917-36 you will see that Lenin introduced no fault divorce and high child support payments, 30% per claim of child. The result was the men stopped working and turned into drunks in MASSIVE numbers because there was no point working any more. The collapse of russian society was SO BAD that it was indeed STALIN who re-introduced difficult to divorce law. The ‘famines’ were not ‘accidents’. The men stopped working the fields.
But the damage was done. The men were betrayed. The knew they were betrayed. And they have never given the women the benefit of the doubt ever again. Add to that the 25M russian men slaughtered in the war and BARELY ANY WOMEN. Women keep talking about ‘how many russian woman fought in the war’ but I have never seen a total number of dead women put forward so it could be compared to the 25M russian men.
The refusal of the vast numbers of eastern european men to work hard and to have ‘wife and children’, according to what I have read and people I have talked to, is directly related to the betrayal of the men by the women in 1917-36 which was then exacerbated by the war and more ‘informing women’. The women were used by the state to terrorise the men. For most of the time in communist russia a woman could get rid of hubby with one visit to the local police station. Sound familiar?
The destruction of russian society was achieved in 20 years of feminism. And we have had feminism in the west for 40 years. There is no going back. Women have destroyed their credibility in the west. End…of….story.
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Well Lara, maybe if the wives out there would stop withholding sex from their husbands, the husbands would be less inclined to destroy their marriage by looking at porn and jerking off or by going out and getting the real thing from another woman who’s more than happy to give it.
And seriously, what is it with the trickery, ladies? Put out like a hot little sexpot until you walk down the aisle, then shut it off and expect things to be fine? Are you out of your mind? Get real.
If a woman is going to go prude after tricking her husband into marriage by luring him with sex, she should then be thankin’ her pretty stars that he’s just jerking it to porn instead of banging one of his female coworkers.
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Sorry Tom, nobody here reads threads over 4 days old, except me.
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I got quoted. He stuck with the color and ignored my appeal for him to try to make sense. This is important, you can tell a lot about someone by what they focus on. He has no interest in what is true, he sticks with posturing and a bunch of long-winded blather that isn’t worth sifting through for meaning. It’s sort of comforting to see that the opposition has nothing to offer and isn’t even gonna try.
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Frankly, from what I have seen, women who have been raised in a SANE WAY like it when men ‘objectify’ them and look at them in a sexual way.
I raised my children with the idea that there was nothing wrong with looking at someone in a sexual way, as long as (if you knew the person in real life) that was not the ONLY way that they looked at the person in question.
It worked well for them, and works well for me today. I will admit that I look at a LOT of pornography, but I do not see women solely as sexual objects that I meet in real life.
In fact, most women say that I am a charmer, even though I make no bones about my views on some subjects and totally have the opposite view from some feminist viewpoints, because I support my viewpoints with facts and life experiences of myself and others.
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I’ve been poking around the “good men project” for a while. One thing you’ll notice is that there are very few comments on many of the articles. When was the last time an article at the spearhead had 1 comment after 12 hours? I don’t think it’s ever happened. That site has articles with 1 comment after 20 days. Readers aren’t engaged by the content. When the funding runs out that site dies. It has no brain, balls or soul. Matlack is a fluffmonger without a clue.
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In Orwell’s 1984, the totalitarian regime had a whole bureaucracy dedicated to the production of pornography. It was called “Pornosec”. The reason for Pornosec’s existence was not because the regime had any aesthetic interest in porn, but because porn helped keep the proles under control. Lowly men are less likely to revolt against the regime because of the misery of their lives if they have unfettered access to cheap pornography. Pornography is a form of social control.
Take away pornography and you will invite revolution. Poor men with no access to real women will have little reason not to revolt and engage in violent behaviour if you take away their porn. Anti-porn crusaders like Tom Matlack and Mary Eberstadt should be careful what they wish for.
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Lara, I was faithful despite MANY opportunities not to be.
Women do NOT reward good husbands any more.
End…..of……story.
Womens lack of control over their lies and deceit and their willingness to break vows is destroying MANY more marriages than men cheating. And as others noted. Most men won’t cheat if they are getting what they NEED at home. But my ex, like so many others, considers that a man does not NEED sex, that it is an ‘optional extra’ that can be done without.
It’s not.
By the way? There is no evidence women cheat less than men. Indeed, the evidence points to women cheating MORE than men ALL through history.
Now. You are a terrible mother and you are stupid. You should be tending to your son rather than being here. And as my grandmothers used to say “if you had kept your mouth shut you might have been thought wise.”
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Funny that men don’t like to be told how to be men by man-haters like Thomas.
How could that be? LOL!!
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Nah FP. I drop back to the old stuff occasionally to see who has thrown some hatred at me..
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The only way a men’s rights or a male movement of any shape or size can succeed is if we begin to show restraint. We must collectively acknowledge that it is social, political and legal norms that enable women to be evil(instead of dehumanizing women, demonize what women are allowed to get away with as the blow-back will be very low).
And because society enables women to be self absorbed, narcissistic monsters; one has to assume that all women are self absorbed, narcissistic monsters(force them into an Orwellian situation akin to: “this is for the benefit of children”-”what do you have against children”.
By treating feminism as a broad ideology instead of as a negotiating tactic it gives women a cop-out to the gender war and would expedite the end of the current madness.
Also we have to remember that the political is personal. We have to hold the advantages women enjoy over men, against women in our day to day lives. We must be willing to tell our mothers, grand mothers, sisters and all other females out there to shove their bigotry and intolerance. We cannot continue the same mistake of indulging women and treating women as perpetual children(viewing women as “harmless”). And we have to be vindictive, ruthless and perhaps hold a certain degree of callousness towards women in our hearts.
In order to pull that off there is two emotions that could prove invaluable. Hatred does hold a certain degree of temptation. It is a powerful emotion that can easily unify and solidify people. But it does lead to self destruction and is a very unhealthy emotion to hold in your heart.
The correct emotion should be a degree of apathy. We should become apathetic to not just the overall plight of women but towards women in our day to day life. We must strive to ignore them. That is the singularly cruelest thing you can do to a woman, while at the same time the least overt action. We should strive to not even flirt or check out women. As well as boycotting “pink” and any-other overt sign of the Matriarchy.
The end goal would be to instill a kind of “white guilt” onto women and seek prosecution of political and activist feminist’s and their “white Knights”/”Mangina” supporters to afford women another way out.
Because really all we need is an end to the discrimination and a pound or twenty of flesh to balance the scales of justice for all the crimes willfully committed against boy’s and men.
Lastly we can’t hold fear in our hearts. We must be willing to engage this topic in any social situation. From employment(when relevant) to our day to day lives. For every man that refuses to cower in fear I wonder how many wake up and are inspired by such boldness themselves?
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I think you missed Matlack’s point. He isn’t criticizing men, he is criticizing media representations of men. Esquire Magazine is supposed to represent the “best of men” and the “women we love” is really just a narrow band of women we lust for. He is trying to correct this and show that men really love a lot of different things about women.
Then he looks at the effects of this media misrepresentation. First that it makes us look like dumbasses to women. Second that young men are negatively influenced by it. Good points.
Matlack has the better argument here, but as media criticism his premise has a flaw. Esquire is a laddie mag — soft porn for airports. We get our media from hundreds or thousands more sources than that. I think he is right that too much of it panders towards men’s dumbass side, but then men created the New York Times and the Washington Post — and they have much larger circulations and you can go there and get all the Kristen Gillibrand features you want.
I think where Matlack gets it right is that men in the media need to reclaim the central theme of what men are. We are primarily builders and doers and thinkers who are trying to make the world a better place — and not all that different from women.
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