On our recent post concerning abortion, one of the commenters brought up one of the most common feminist arguments, which goes something like this:
Men oppose abortion, birth control, etc., because they really want control over women.
The same idea is applied to domestic violence, divorce, child custody, and just about everything else that might be disputed between a man and woman. Every time there is something that men and women don’t see eye to eye on, it’s an issue of the patriarchy wanting control.
This idea is very clearly reflected in domestic violence theory, perhaps best exemplified by the “power and control wheel” dreamed up in the fevered imagination of the creators of the Duluth Model domestic abuse program. Leaving aside the fact that many of the supposed controlling behaviors detailed on the wheel are probably more commonly practiced by wives than husbands, such as playing “mind games” and using the children to get what one wants, there is a catch in that denying being abusive makes one an abuser. So, according to the Duluth Model, if your wife calls you an abuser, you can deny it all you want, but that just confirms your status as an abuser, which subjects you to state control.
The New York Model for Batter Programs takes control a step farther, and imposes indoctrination sessions on those referred to the program. Additionally, it is a punitive rather than rehabilitative program, but cloaks this to some degree through a stated mission to change society. It is not only men that are subject to control through this particular program (and not all men ordered to attend are convicts, nor are all who have been convicted guilty), but all of society, which is clearly seen by directors as diseased and in need of change. To accomplish its goal, the NYMBP enlists the assistance of courts, the police, judges, social workers and others involved in coercive occupations. Clearly, this goes beyond the control that even the most criminally deranged husband could hope to impose on a wife.
When it comes down to it, it’s pretty clear that feminists are obsessed with the idea of control, and they’ve made great strides in controlling men. Simply living under the same roof with a woman puts a man at the mercy of an army of agents of the state, and with a simple phone call a woman can put him under scrutiny that could last for years and have consequences for his entire life. This goes far beyond anything men have ever practiced under so-called patriarchal society, which for all its faults never was comfortable with interfering in domestic matters. For example, in older American or European society, could a husband ever have called the police to force his wife into an indoctrination center? He would have met with laughter or disbelief. In fact, even if a wife had beaten or cuckolded her husband, this would have been considered outside the bounds of the state’s role. Only murder, wounding or possibly grand theft would have prompted any intervention on the part of the husband. In fact, as today, wives frequently absconded with the children, and men were left to their own devices to find them. Patriarchal “control” over women was mild indeed.
Contrast that to today’s reality, where if a man absconds without his children there are numerous state and federal agencies dedicated to tracking him down and forcing him to pay her. Lord help the man if he tries to take his children — he’ll be hunted down like a rabid dog.
The reluctance to actually control women carries over into even the most fervent supporters of what feminists would call the patriarchy. Anti-abortion activists kill an abortionist every few years, but has there ever been a case of one killing a woman who aborted her own child? Perhaps it is this aversion to controlling women that gives feminists such a sense of entitlement and contempt for men. They know in their heart of hearts that these so-called patriarchal men are actually simply their agents in controlling other men, and use them accordingly, hence the dark, hidden alliance between feminists and social conservatives that has emerged to clamp down on men from time to time.
The control impulse feminists ascribe to men is, like so many of their other issues, an example of projection. There is nothing feminists want more than to control every single aspect of their relationships and society. This is not a very masculine tendency, as men prefer a more dynamic rather than static environment. Men’s natural genius is is suppressed by heavy-handed control, which leads to stagnation, apathy and inaction. The economic failure of Communist societies demonstrates what happens to men under oppressive, controlling regimes: they tend to become depressed and sluggish, and engage in dissipation rather than constructive pursuits.
The patriarchal control impulse is a pure fabrication, and more accurately describes feminist psychology than masculine behavior. Men are generally less obsessed by control than women, and they don’t even come close to feminists, who would reverse Pinocchio and turn us all into puppets if they had their way.
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That ship has sailed. Fems were in the striding mode 40 years ago, and today, they’ve indeed strove their way over the finish line. Hilary and Barack are their Victory Lap.
The issue today,is not so much prevention of this movement after its success, but rather, how to defeat a dominant force already in complete control.
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Since when have men en masse ever opposed abortion and birth control?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Communism is a failure both because of the control, and the impulse to equality. Men are more variable than women, causing both the glass ceiling and the glass floor. Any society that does not set up some sort of mechanism to profit from the intellectual efforts of the higher percentage of genius-level men will underperform one that does. Controlling these men means that their genius goes to other pursuits, like pickup artistry. It’s a rational response.
I’m not so certain this is correct. Proper masculine behavior is dominant, and game is a man either displaying or emulating behaviors that dominant men display. Hawaiian Libertarian had a note about the difference between his father and his father-in-law on this topic. In a nutshell: women LOVE a dominant man, and hate a controlling one. But I guess a true patriarch would be dominant, not controlling.
Men cannot learn this behavior, I think, without a role model at home (see HL), or one nearby. I learned this from my own father-in-law. As Nietzsche said, “When one has not had a good father, one must create one.”
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Wasn’t it Ragnel who promised the secret of what women really wanted to Gawain if he promised to marry her?
That secret was of course power over men.
Even medieval man knew what women were about. How did our grandfathers ever forget and let it get this far?
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Conspiracy theorists are gravediggers.
Patriarchy is a conspiracy theory. Here is how to avoid it.
Gary North said at some time in the past:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north863.html
The link is the rest of the article. How do I do anchor text?
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Replace he with she, and conspiracy with patriarchy.
It fits quite well
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thank you for the article.
this goes along with alot of things that are takeing place in not only our goverment but the world at large. control…
for instance the shooting in AZ in what way would any current or past gun laws have stoped it … i say no way as if the crazy guy would think to himself “wait i cant go in there and kill them with this! its a gun free zone. id better replan this” its about control , control of YOU.
i know im sorta stepping off into the weird zone but i think all this crap is something much bigger. what i honestly dont know but feminism and all the other ISMS are a divide and conquer. in order to gain control of all of us pleabians. whats the ultimate goal i have no clue but you have to agree the signs are there.
what are your thoughts?
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@ migu
how were you observing what i was typeing . hmmm i thought my underground bunker was secure (adjusts tinfoil hat) hmmmm
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Stickman,
I have a special ALUMINUM foil receptor in my TIN foil hat.
I will never divulge the secret. EVER.
Okay, dammit your mind control rays have sublimated my resistance.
You have to make an aluminum foil cork screw and attach it three inches above the left earlobe as oriented to your tin foil hat.
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Of course women want control; if any proof is required take a look at any TV or magazine ad marketing a product for female consumers. The magic word is almost always CONTROL.
“Take control of your life/weight/health/allergies/period – by buying this!”
It’s a natural reaction to the ironic fact that women possess so very little self-control. People always want what they can’t have.
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Conspiracy theories have an odd way of fitting with the theorist’s personal prejudices. It’s always important to keep that in mind. Therefore, feminists point to a male conspiracy, anti-semites point to a Zionist conspiracy, etc.
With that said, I have no doubt there are some actual conspiracies. That would seem undeniable given that they’re basically operating in the open now.
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“…in older American or European society, could a husband ever have called the police to force his wife into an indoctrination center? He would have met with laughter or disbelief. In fact, even if a wife had beaten or cuckolded her husband, this would have been considered outside the bounds of the state’s role. Only murder, wounding or possibly grand theft would have prompted any intervention on the part of the husband”
Gee, it sounds like men used to be oppressed…
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Meistergedanken-”Of course women want control; if any proof is required take a look at any TV or magazine ad marketing a product for female consumers. The magic word is almost always CONTROL.”
Good point. Also, look at the key word with in empowerment: POWER. That would actually be a fun game for a rainy day. Pick up a woman’s magazine and change every mention of empowerment to power.
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I have to go off topic here.
I think as people write, especially when when they are exposing nonsense. Let them replace the personal pronoun he with she. Conversely when someone is talking solutions let him continue to use he.
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I always say that conspiracies are ubiquitous. It just so happens that most of them are petty and mundane, such as getting a coworker fired, eliminating business competition, stock manipulation, stealing an inheritance, or divorcing and ripping off one’s husband. Conspiracies are how people do lots of things, but they are almost always short-lived, relatively simple and easy enough for people to find if they look for them.
Herbal Essence,
Follow that link. That point is made. A succesful conspiracy is never defined as a conpsiracy. Wal-Mart is a succesful conspiracy. All great works are conspiracy. Conspiracy Theory is what belongs to the gravediggers. i.e. feminists.
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Give them the right to vote and they’ll place only the politicians that are willing to fight a Proxy War to marginalize men. Why do men need to be marginalized? Well, how else would you expect “equality” to ever exist if men aren’t forced to succumb and submit to the whims of women? Factor in chivalry and “white-knightery”, and it’s game over. They won control before they ever began.
The only escape is: “to become depressed and sluggish, and engage in dissipation rather than constructive pursuits”.
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Also make sure to look at the word conspiracy.
Cons Piracy Just a thought. That means counter piracy
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Satyajit Roy, mangina extraordinaire, wrote:
When marriage 1.0 was in place, it was not in a man’s interests to allow abortion or birth control in general. Under marriage 1.0, a woman’s reproductive capability is transferred to the man, just as his economic capability is transferred to the woman. Therefore, under marriage 1.0 abortion would ideally be a man’s decision. Before you start screaming about the patriarchy, it also worked the other way around; a man would not simply be able to decide to quit the rat race and pursue his dream to be a poet (say) if that meant impoverishing his family.
What we have today is a completely ridiculous situation; women have the complete right to decide on aborting their babies, and the complete right to extort money from the sperm donor (I hesitate to use the word ‘father’ outside of a LTR/marriage context) if they choose not to abort.
In today’s world, my preference is for men to have the right to financially abort their children, just as women have the right to physically abort their children. Whats good for the gander should be good for the goose…
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Please explain the link.
Video games provide quite a training experience, and they are quite emotionally involved. The stories in these games are basically the men who created said games life experiences. Like a novel.
I picked up from that article that video games are a symptom of a disease on society. Is that the point?
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“This goes far beyond anything men have ever practiced under so-called patriarchal society, which for all its faults never was comfortable with interfering in domestic matters.”
Now I’m not historian, but I think there have been times when men have exercised pretty “heavy handed” dominance over women.
Whether this was right or wrong of them is not my point. I just don’t want Spearheader’s to adopt a sort of “Avatar-ed” view of human history were all peoples lived innocently in some sort of symbiotic nirvana garden.
There has always been (and will always be) conflicts of interest between sexes, races, nation states. You name it. The point should not be to shy away from this fact.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Do you honestly not know history. Since about forever.
Men with power have always tried to convince them otherwise out of self interest. Things like the the Bible, the Plebian Assembly, the Roman Tribunes, the Koran, The Magna Carta, the now defunct US constitution were remedies against a womans proclivity to kill a man’s child, as well as limiting the “Chosen Mens’” ability to ensure “ONLY” their genetic legacy.
It’s all there if you only look. You are Indian, you don’t know British History???????
History shows us this always a struggle between the “Chosen Men” and the rest of the men. The rest of the men gained ground for 6,000 years, and in the last about 100 have lost it all. The “Chosen Men” dictate all, and they use the “Rest of the Women” as their means of subjugation.
I’m American, I know it fairly well.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Delete last line of post, it belongs somewhere else. Sorry about that
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Who wants control? Believe it or not WOMEN WANT TO BE CONTROLLED by a ‘strong man’. This is their nature.
One mistake I made was to assume my wife was of similar intellectual capacity and similar character. That she could be relied on to act sensibly given choices. That she could control herself. This is a joke. And women know it. The reason they are constantly shit-testing men is to BE CONTROLLED. But us Betas have been told not to do that any more up to and including state sponsored thugs beating us up and locking us up if we try to do so much as to control a womans wreckless spending by cutting up her credit card.
Now I am Alpha I understand the game. Women WANT to be controlled and they way they express that is to shit-test men. Their problem now is that men don’t want to be at the risk of the state sponsored thugs. And one way to do that is to ignore them and not give them the attention they want and to TOTALLY IGNORE the shit-tests like they didn’t happen. It works fine. I think that women will take up the offer of men of means of being chattel property again before long.
This is what my fav#1 said to me. It’s in the book. She had misunderstood something I said to her and reacted what for her was “angrily”.
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Satyajit Roy:
Men oppose abortion, birth control, etc., because they really want control over women.
Since when have men en masse ever opposed abortion and birth control?
I know I haven’t. Of course that is as long as I don’t have to pay for it as Gunn has stated.
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These sexist domestic violence policies are just another reason for men to avoid marriage. If U stay single, the feminist have less control over your life.
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W.F. Price January 17, 2011 at 10:00
With that said, I have no doubt there are some actual conspiracies. That would seem undeniable given that they’re basically operating in the open now.
-HE
I always say that conspiracies are ubiquitous. It just so happens that most of them are petty and mundane, such as getting a coworker fired, eliminating business competition, stock manipulation, stealing an inheritance, or divorcing and ripping off one’s husband. Conspiracies are how people do lots of things, but they are almost always short-lived, relatively simple and easy enough for people to find if they look for them.
There are conspiracy theories that feminists have used. Remember the infamous quotes by radical feminists?
http://www.quotegarden.com/feminism.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread557984/pg1
Feminism is doomed to failure
because it is based on an
attempt to repeal and
restructure human nature.
Phyllis Schlafly
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Well…a LOT of criminals in the former soviet empire were very active and very constructive!
But yes. The high alcoholism rates and early death rates of men in the former soviet union tell you that these guys would rather get drunk and die young than be ‘married with children’. A LOT of the women I talk to report the same thing. Most men are drunks and they don’t want to work and take care of a ‘wife and children’. I hear that AD-NAUSEUM. Of course, it is ALL MENS FAULT. Had nothing to do with no fault divorce and 33% alimony for each claim of a child that Lenin brought into Russia in 1917!
And. Interestingly. Despite that family law policy being active in Russia 1917-36 it was INTRODUCED into placed like Romania after WW II by the…..russians….hhhmmmm……
One of the things that really confused me early on was ‘who stands to benefit from feminism because it’s going to crash the economy’. The obvious answer in the end is the banksters. They invent money out of thin air so they don’t want money. They want more control. And the soviet union was the epitome of ‘control’. As was china. Well? That’s the ‘end-game’ of where we are headed. Total control. Aaron Russo reported he got this direct from Nick Rockefellers own mouth.
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Every time American law enforcement arrest an innocent man on a false domestic violence accusation…it creates a faulty statistic that the gender-raunch community use to “Empower” themselves.
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“It’s a natural reaction to the ironic fact that women possess so very little self-control. People always want what they can’t have.”
— When I was a rambunctious little boy, my emotionally abusive mother was always lecturing me with ‘control’ ‘control’ when in retrospect I was just being a young male. In reality, she was a woman totally out of control and sought fanatically to be in control of others. In the long-run it is now a blessing to have had a difficult mother since it taught me early on not to be naive about a woman’s intentions and sense of personal honor.
“These sexist domestic violence policies are just another reason for men to avoid marriage. If U stay single, the feminist have less control over your life.”
— True. I’ll add to that single as in not shacking up (living together), no kids, and to be careful about even dating.
I can’t wait for the Japanese to perfect those sex-robots though the feminists are trying to regulate those too.
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Video games can be entertaining but many young men are becoming addicted to them as a form of escape, (from manhood as they’re not permitted to be men.). I’ve witnessed young men in the throws of addiction to WoW. Not a pretty site, especially the withdrawal. It’s a diversion from reality. It’s a real problem when it get’s to be 8 to 16 hours a day. This does nothing to contribute to society.
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It doesn’t matter at all if women want to control as long as you don’t let them control you.
If you remain single (which is natural, since you were born that way) and avoid having kids (they are way too spoiled to be worth the trouble anyway), then females will have no hold on you, whatever they claim they want.
On the contrary, if you chose to go your own way, there is sweet nothing women can do about it, except whine and blame. What else is new under the sun?
I challenge you to find one single, childless 40 y.o. man who is under the control of a woman, UNLESS he permits it..
Even if feminism grows worse and worse, their power will be zilch if you don’t play the game that has been carefully laid out for you and your state of slavery.
In other words, men who have been enslaved by the feminist govmt have participated in their own demise, in most cases.
The invention of the internet gives all men the possibility to set themselves free forever. Those who will not see the light will see the darkness.
It is quite true that feminism’s aim is to enslave men. It is also true that men who love freedom can be freer than any man from any generation before.
Take a helicopter’s view of things and see the forest, not individual trees.
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Well, that may be. In any case, women must have many of their freedoms and choices reduced or taken away, and it will not happen by re-assuring ourselves (or women) that we really are not creatures of control.
Running away from the word “control” will not make you better than someone who doesn’t. Nor will it absolve you of the blame for not taking action, and doing what is necessary, no matter what it is.
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The control impulse feminists ascribe to men is, like so many of their other issues, an example of projection.
As always. As is everything about ‘feminism’.
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I took a look at the link for the “Duluth Model” mentioned in this post. What a piece of work that is. The framework is either laugh-out-loud funny in its blatant mysandry or else scary as hell given the credence that I suspect many people in the divorce and abuse industry give it. Just a few example observations:
In the “Power and Control wheel” (http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PhyVio.pdf) every pronoun is feminine implying the aggressor is always male. There’s also the prominent display of “Male Privilege” as a tool in the wheel of control whereas “Female Privilege” as an equivalent or even more potent force is left conspicuously absent from the framework. Nice.
Next, the feminine victim in this model is portrayed as someone entirely passive. Note the passive wording used in the model: controlling behavior is defined as anything that makes her feel bad about herself, actions that end up making her afraid, or making her feel guilty. What? Do women not have egos? Did the women who invented this model leave their brains at the door and are now incapable of recognizing and countering the incorrect judgments of others? Can they not control their own perceptions? Strange. This doesn’t sound like the sex-positive and empowered woman of the 21st century that I’ve heard so much about.
Third, many actions deemed controlling are defined not by objective measures but instead by how she feels about the action–revealing yet more passivity and also the potential for self-serving application which is itself subject to abuse. For example, a man trying to escape or get out of a bad domestic situation is listed here as controlling if it is perceived as “threatening to leave her.” But really… what is a man supposed to do when faced with domestic feminine aggression? Not leave but remain in place and accept the bad behavior? According to the Duluth Wheel, that would appear to be the case.
Finally, to even question elements of the Duluth Wheel would itself appear to be a sign of control and abuse since “making light of the [alleged] abuse” or claiming that it’s not abuse is itself deemed controlling by the model. How convenient and airtight. I suppose by this last definition that I am now a controlling abuser?
I’ve had entirely enough. Please note I didn’t even get to the “Equality Wheel” which is even more ripe for deconstruction: http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/NonVio.pdf
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The reason why feminism is embraced so feverently by world governments is the control they, (the governments) gain over men. Feminism is the #1 ideology for advancing world marxism barr none. Racism will only get you so far, especially in countries with a largely homogeneous nationality.
Women are the “key” to promoting world marxism. Every country has a natural division just waiting to be exploited. Playing on women’s fear and insecurity is the surest method of gaining state control of the masses. Splash some nonsense across the airwaves, like women are more likely to be sexually harrassed this year. Men will say, no one can predict such tripe. Women however will run screaming to the Guv for protection, and who will be the perpetrator? Men of course, the oppressor’s, the enemy of the state. Who will be the victim? Women of course, the friend of the state.
Unfortunately, as we’ve seen the U.N. has wholly adopted feminism as standard policy. The earthquake in Haiti last year was the perfect example of conjuring up the oppressor/victim model where none existed. As you may recall 16 food distribution centers were installed by the U.N. which gave food only to women. The men who risked their lives digging out and caring for women and children were starved. Within 2 weeks men were attacking women and U.N. forces with machete’s to stave off starvation. The entire situation was created and the desired effect was exactly what the U.N. wanted.
Sadly, the die has been cast. Haiti was a dry run to shake out all the bugs. Don’t for a minute think thing’s will subside. The U.N. is about to embark on a worldwide feminist onslaught. Make no mistake about it, if you are a straight man, the U.N. and eventually all world government’s will declare you an enemy.
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@Keyster:
“””Video games can be entertaining but many young men are becoming addicted to them as a form of escape, (from manhood as they’re not permitted to be men.)”””
There’s more to videogames than that. In a society that is increasingly insulating boys and removing all forms of competitive play from their lives. This fills a need that used to be covered by sports, a form of ritualized conflict that replaced the fights for resources of old. There is a need for a release valve for that part of the male psyche, it’s been primed after thousands (millions?) of years of warfare, conflict, and survival; it’s not going away overnight.
Note how football (soccer for you Americans) in Europe gets all this bad press when high-conflict matches happen. The drunken disorderly behaviour of the hooligans (and their equivalent in other countries, it’s not an exclusively British phenomena) is nothing but the violent release of young chaps who never learned any other way to release the pent-up frustration of not participating in these events. There’s so much vicarious living one can do through a team one does not participate in. The reason is, while there is much mocking and finger pointing about the sedentary lifestyle of Americans coming from Ye Olde Continent, the truth is that Europe is two steps ahead in removing young men from sports and competition compared to America. The overcrowdedness may have something to do with it. The fact that in America it’s taking great efforts to remove the popularity and respectability of college sports may be helping too.
It’s no surprise videogames are so successful. Competition one participates in, at the fingertips and on demand. And much like with Sports, there is a lot of “spectator gaming” going on, except that instead of being sports results and highlights on the 9:00 pm news, it’s videos on YouTube and their ilk; and unlike sports, there’s an one-upmanship one can try to match more easily than one can match the athletic feats of professional sports.
The addiction drawback you pointed out is indeed a problem, and that stems from a lack of measure. Without clear structure and limits (i.e., a sports tournament) where things happen, an outcome is definite, and then there’s next time for one to prepare for and try out, videogames go on for as long as there’s someone available to pit oneself against. The stereotype of the foul-mouthed teen shouting obscenities and taunts (and obscene taunts) over XBox Live is very real, and a direct result of lack of structure and restraint. One needs the lows after the highs, and serotonin to do its thing after the rush of adrenaline. And kids need to learn to deal with failure and how to strive for improvement. This ain’t happening, all single mommy sees is that Timmy is safe inside the house mashing buttons, instead of driving her batty. Suck the digital teat, kid!
It’s also kind of funny to hear all the complaints about violent videogames and how they’re training killers and whatnot. There’s WAY more violence due to sports hooligans than videogames, non-participation vs. participation. But somehow, the media mouthpieces don’t get that.
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I forgot to add, I consider competitive sports (even in minor, neighborhood leagues) to be superior to videogames due to an aspect that no videogame can successfully emulate yet: Physical activity. I’m not talking just health benefits, but the addition of endorphines to the mix is how our male brain interprets success. Fought, survived, lived to fight another day thanks to one’s own effort.
Consider how popular Dance Dance Revolution became. Obsessively so, in many cases, for a foot version of “Simon Says”, a gaming concept decades old only good nowadays for simple, cheap (free) Flash games.
I’ll stop now…
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Western men are encaged, no doubt, by feminists, who are only too gleeful to control us. They are at least as hierarchical in their thinking as men are – probably more so.
The more feminized society gets and the more encaged men are, the closer we come to joining the Dar al Islam, which will almost immediately strip feminists of their rights and of any wishful thinking they have.
If you eliminate Western patriarchy, which was a great way to run a society, you end up with Islam. Simple as that, because matriarchy is unsustainable over the long term. The more matriarchal things get, the stronger the dose of corrective medicine. This is so because, over the long term, it’s not a question of if we will have patriarchy, but what kind of patriarchy.
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@Keyster
I play alot of video games. I do it because it’s fun.
The reason women don’t like video games is that the slave isn’t working.
I work and pay my taxes.
What do I owe society?
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I was a kid, but I remember in the late 60′s and early 70′s when men (my father included) laughed at feminism – and that is where it would have stayed as a quaint but odd behavior. But today as Welmer points out:
The enemy isn’t femi-narcissism per se – it is the law and its societal predator practitioners that have foisted it upon us. With the board’s apparent plethora of attorney apologists I’m beginning to think TS is about hacking at the branches and not ‘striking the root’.
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from Keyster
This is a perfect example of MGTOW. At one time I would look down on these guys. But you know what, fuck society. The society these men belong to doesn’t give a damn about them. Not one damn bit about them and not the rest of us either. These guys have found a way to live with out worshipping pussy and feeding the government,well I say good for them. No man needs to feel the slightest hint of guilt for not contributing to a society that could care any less about men,boys,males period.
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Migu-that’s funny because I do that all of the time.
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Whenever I write something or even just in talking I always use He if it’s in a positive context and She for the negative. Do what the females do when they always use the pronoun He when referring to something negative eg. gunMan only reverse it
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There are a lot of people making good if debatable points in this thread.
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Although I agree that that the source of the misandric laws are an unholy alliance between feminists and chivalrists (old men that are collectively patting all the “widdle wimenz” on the head), to punish the men, that are always at fault. It’s a male fault to try to blame other men for problems even when women are at fault. We shouldn’t let them off the hook as they are primarily responsible.
The “old men” just don’t get it, but that problem is going to take care of itself, as they will soon die off. Feminism is actively promulgating itself to vast cadres of the next generation of wide eyed, impressionable young women, (and young men in many cases) making it impossible for them the have normal, healthy, relationships with the opposite sex, and ensuring the continued existence of their miasma.
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How so?
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Feminist want equality based on outcome when it suits them.
Feminist want privilege from personal merit when it suits them.
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Feminist will argue that the fact that they should get same pay. They argue (though false) that the same work is given. Why? Because men and women are fundamentally the same, egalitarian. Equality based on outcome is therefore the proper measurement to see is there is social injustice.
Feminist will argue that abortion is a woman’s right because she created and has to labor through giving the child. Privilege of merit. Equality of outcome doesn’t come into play because biology is ignored. Women do the work, ergo, women reap the rewards.
Yet it is “sexist” when men argue that they should get paid more because truth be told men not only do more dangerous jobs, they work more hours, take less time off, don’t have “maternity leave” then get reinstated, etc. This based on privileged of merit. Men do more naturally do due to physically strength, social demands, etc=reap more rewards. Equality of outcome is not needed. Simply because one does more then the other.
Yet for abortion men contribute %50 into making the child; and, that is just biologically alone. This doesn’t include other factors like divorce (alimony) and family contribution. Men have no say because they don’t do as much work, to say otherwise is “sexist.”
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I grew up with video games. In the atari2600 days they got boring after 1/2 hour.
Today. There is a video game for everything including physical activity. What’s even better is the fact that for $20 I can get game that will entertain me for months. Great for wintertime. During the summer……, I spend my time in the mountains. Sometimes I will bring along the ok DS for a quick game before I crash.
Patriarchy is a conspiracy theory. The ultimate boogeyman. Feminists have convinced themselves, and a supermajority of the populace that this is in fact a succesful conspiracy and not a theory that belongs with Icke and his fans.
By doing this they have set up a situation in which all manner of atrocities can be justified as striking a blow against conspirators, in the case of patriarchy conspiracy that means men and any woman that does not toe the line.
What is a succesful conspiracy? The American Revolution is. What is an unsuccessful conspiracy? The white army in Russia. What is a conspiracy theory? Jews were responsible for Germany’s defeat in WWI.
Conspiracy theorists are gravediggers. Unfortunately they are digging your grave, not their own.
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If one was to take a brief look at the rise of gender-raunch feminism in the united states, one would see a that the rise of gender-raunch feminism directly coincides with the point in history when American law enforcement tinkered with their protocol in order to arrest more innocent males during domestic violence calls.
I believe that the more conservative states (as they realise that every arrest of an innocent man or boy, serves to falsely Empower gender-raunch), will send back the federal VAWA dollars first.
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“For example, in older American or European society, could a husband ever have called the police to force his wife into an indoctrination center? He would have met with laughter or disbelief. In fact, even if a wife had beaten or cuckolded her husband, this would have been considered outside the bounds of the state’s role. Only murder, wounding or possibly grand theft would have prompted any intervention on the part of the husband.”
I am convinced that women have a very different definition of Liberty, Freedom and Independence. They said they wanted Liberation and Independence but it was nothing like men knew those words to mean. When they said that this meant “the personal is political” men were confused as to how Independence and Liberty were associated with State control. We now live under the heavy hand of government and a magnitude tyranny unimaginable by our founding fathers.
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OT.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/how-what-nicole-kidman-has-done-will-soon-be-a-crime-in-nsw-20110118-19v10.html
But of course processes like alimony and child support that commercialise men and make them slaves is perfectly ok. Hypocrites. Every….single….last…..one…..of……them.
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NWOslave January 17, 2011 at 14:42
The UN has already declared the ‘family’ to be ‘the mother and the children’ and there is no place for men in Agenda 21. Except as the state thugs of enforcement.
Time to buy guns. Lots of guns.
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Margaret Sanger was the founder of “Planned Parenthood.”
http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm
http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm
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Hmmm. Let’s try it this way.
Conspiracy theories are what put Jews in th oven. Caused millions of ukranians to starve, and Chinese to be re-educated.
Learn to identify them especially if you are the scapegoat.
Current en vogue CT. Patriarchy.
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Hardly….she was simply a woman as a front. A ‘useful idiot’ like all the feminists.
The Eugenics Society was funded by the Rothchilds via the Rockefellers (aka Rockenfelders of Bavaria, Germany.) The Rockefellers donated money to Hitler as well for his eugenics ‘experiments’.
It was only after Hitler gave Eugenics a bad name that it was determined to change away from ‘Eugenics’ to ‘Planned Parenthood’. And how many men here know who was one of the KEY players in that rebranding? That would be one DADDY GATES who had a son called William. How about that?
And once you know DADDY GATES was a Rockefeller frontman for their Eugenics society it makes a LOT more sense how ‘baby bill’ got to ‘create’ a company like Microsoft and why the bill and melinda foundation donates so much money to…..wait for it……Planned Parenthood. Surprise, surprise.
Margaret Sanger is a flea in this story. She said some terrible things. And that makes it all the more laughable that Hillary Clinton was given some award in Margaret Sangers name. Hillary Clinton eulogised a mass murdering, eugenics, racist. I bet you sure are glad you have HER as your secretary of state.
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OT….whats the bet he gets nothing…
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110118/ten-alex-reid-wants-2m-to-leave-ea4616c.html
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@Satyajit
Religious men. (Conservative) Catholic men.
If abortion and/or birth control can help men avoid 18 years of financial rape, then I welcome them as methods, not sin.
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@SingleDad
One reason women(feminists?) don’t like video games is because it is one of the few predominantly male industries, profitable and brimming with creativity.
Also, women suck at video games. Certainly, you have the occasional ‘empowered game chick’ hitting high scores and fragging male players, but it’s not unlike Bobby Riggs vs Billie Jean King.
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I’d bet even that is media driven horse dung.
What you probably have is the occasional video game loving chick who is really a mediocre player but she’s hot so her guy friends brag on her and tell her she’s real good.
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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) January 18, 2011 at 06:15
“I bet you sure are glad you have HER as your secretary of state.”
You lose the bet. I exposed Hitlery as the feminist she is. My desire is to have feminists and feminism removed from places of power/affluence/influence. ” The fields need weed removal”.
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Before Bill Gates created Windows, how many women were interested in computers?
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I play Eve online which is an MMROPG game with lots of different roles you can play.
It’s very interesting, very few women play and those that do become miners and basically chat with each other while the computer mines and they have to hit the “mine” button every 5 min.
They love the chatting. When I first entered the game I was with these noobs and some of the guys asked why women didn’t seem to make sense in real life, for us here the “shit test”.
I told them, the men and women in the chat, to follow the money and they would find women make perfect sense. They love doing “shit tests” to keep men off there balance as a means of manipulation and that is probably what they see as “not making sence”. Kinda like our trolls.
The few women that where got up in arms.
So, I joined the military and there are no, not one, zero women there. It is hardcore, pvp, with lots of skills and technics to learn, competative with no such thing as fair fight, it’s a model of real life. It take about two years to get good.
Now it is no more physically difficult than pushing a mouse button so why aren’t all these militant fems who want combat positions playing? A good half of the players are real military.
It’s because it’s work, you must build a reputation with your fellow players and it doesn’t cater to women. Women would consider it a “hostile” environment.
The men who play are normal and PC beta’s so when I said “American Indians”, they corrected me to say “Native Americans”.
We do talk about children and custody but not too much and never say anything negative about women, except to laugh at the guys whose girlfriends/wives won’t let them play so they are hunkered down in the basement whispering.
Make a video game that looks like “Sex in the City” with alpha’s shit tests and shopping spree’s and you’ll have lots of female players. Whoever get’s boned by Mr. Big is the winner……till Mr. Bigger comes along.
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Male birth control, if used widely throughout society, would effectively render the abortion debate moot.
It would remove a woman’s ability to unilaterally decide whether to bear children or not.
It would also severely limit her own reproductive choices to the point where she would have no practical choice to speak of. This is what we men (and society) should be aiming for.
We men must find imaginative, creative ways to not just increase men’s choices, but to reduce or remove women’s. Male birth control is just one example of men setting controls on women’s behaviors.
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“The control impulse feminists ascribe to men is, like so many of their other issues, an example of projection.”
This is painfully true. I’ve been struggling with this for years. Chicks tell me I don’t like American women because I want to control women and American women won’t be controlled. I’ve been trying to find something in my behavior that’s controlling. I can’t find it. I’m not in the least bit controlling. Most guys aren’t. This is a big deal. Many women, if not most, are controlling.
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Yeah, it’s crazy how they imagine this control when it doesn’t exist.
I’m not controlling of women at all. The last thing I want to do is spend all my time riding herd on women. I simply don’t want the job. This has a lot to do with why my marriage failed — I just got tired of having to deal with things for my wife, who expected me to “take charge” in each and every situation, which is a hell of a lot of work for a husband. Me, I’d rather women handled things themselves most of the time, but I guess that’s expecting too much.
I often wonder if there was a time when controlling men were common. I’ve only ever seen 1 or 2 instances of men being controlling but the rest of the time it’s women who are trying to control men.
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(sigh) You guys really need to study a bit more game and learn how to interpret femspeak.
If you come up and punch me in the nose, and I prevent you from doing it a 2nd time, I am “controlling” you. In wimmin-speak, not “empowering” women to whatever they damn well please, whenever they damn well please, is both “controlling” and “abusive.”
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I say we men should be just as broadly imaginative as the women who define words like “control” as such, and show a little more fearlessness in using the word for our purposes.
According to femspeak, the word means “resisting or stopping female abusive behavior.” In that sense, yes, I do want controls on women. I have no problem using the word — and neither should you men.
It is in women’s nature to throw tantrums when they don’t get what they want. As a man, you should not be intimidated by a woman’s childish squeals of “oppression” or “abuse.” It’s really past the time that men stop caring what women say or think, and have a little more confidence in themselves when it comes to dealing with women behaving badly.
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I read this post and you guys are absolutely right! Almost all women are controlling.
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