“Miss Jean Louise, stand up. Your father’s passin’”: A Tribute to the Patron Saint of the Falsely Accused

by pierceharlan on January 14, 2011

It is among the greatest lines in all of American literature. For me, it is the single most powerful moment in all of motion pictures. It speaks to the honor due to all who battle tyranny, especially those who fight for the falsely accused.

The line is spoken at the conclusion of the rape trial in Harper Lee’s 1960 Pulitzer Prize winning novel “To Kill A Mockingbird,” repeated in the film of the novel two years later.

Some context: despite his brilliant and impassioned defense, Atticus Finch, a white attorney in the American Deep South, has just lost a criminal trial of a black man falsely accused of rape by a white woman. Such losses were routine in that region of our country, where white women could, and too often did, have black males put to death just by uttering the word “rape.” Atticus’ defense of the innocent man was scorned by the local white community, but that didn’t dissuade him from taking the case, or from doing his best to win it.

But now it was over, and he has lost. With the death penalty almost certainly awaiting his client, an innocent man, Atticus tries to console him before he is led away. Then Atticus packs up his papers and starts to exit the courtroom.

What happens next is so simple, yet so unexpected and pitch-perfect right, that it leaves a heartbreakingly indelible impression. A crowd of black spectators had attended the trial to lend moral support to the innocent man. They were forced to sit in the courtroom’s balcony. That’s also where Atticus’ daughter, Jean Louise (nicknamed “Scout”), sits, next to the leader of the black community, Rev. Sykes. The black community has just witnessed one of its own being led away for a crime he obviously did not commit. Yet the spectators lingered in the balcony, waiting for Atticus to leave the courtroom.

This is the scene, from Harper Lee’s classic novel, as told by young Jean Louise “Scout” Finch:

Atticus took his coat off the back of his chair and pulled it over his shoulder. Then he left the courtroom, not by his usual exit. He must have wanted to go home the short way, because he walked quickly down the middle aisle toward the south exit. I followed the top of his head as he made his way to the door. He did not look up.

Someone was punching me, but I was reluctant to take my eyes from the people below us, and from the image of Atticus’s lonely walk down the aisle.

“Miss Jean Louise?”

I looked around. They were all standing. All around us and on the balcony on the opposite wall, the Negroes were getting to their feet. Reverend Syke’s voice was as distant at Judge Taylor’s:

“Miss Jean Louise, stand up. Your father’s passin’.”

Gregory Peck, who played Atticus in the classic 1962 motion picture with quiet but determined dignity, said that when actor Bill Walker, who played Rev. Sykes, delivered that line – “Stand up. Your father’s passin’” — “he wrapped up the Academy Award for me.” Indeed he had.

In 2003, the American Film Institute voted Atticus Finch the greatest hero in American film, ahead of Indiana Jones and James Bond.

So revered is the character among real-life lawyers that, last year, the ABA Journal asked a panel of experts to pick their favorite fictional lawyer, but it exempted Atticus Finch from the competition — including Atticus wouldn’t be fair to the other characters.  No figure has inspired more young people to become lawyers than Atticus, even though Atticus lost the case for which he is best known. 

This April, a postage stamp will honor Gregory Peck and Atticus by featuring a photo of Peck playing Atticus in the film.

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Injustice often wears the disguise of respectability. In the Deep South, too often it wore a badge and turned its head while the lynch mob spared judges from having to pretend to give black men and boys a fair trial for allegedly raping white women.

On modern college campuses, it gussies itself up with PhDs and tenure and insists on being called “professor” while it purports to correct perceived past wrongs against women by treating young men accused of sexual assault as presumptively guilty.

In the newsrooms of America’s leading dailies, it masquerades as crusading reporters but allows progressive sympathies to trump journalistic ethics by labeling rape accusers “victims,” and by parroting the accuser’s side of the story as fact.

But wherever injustice appears, there is always an Atticus Finch to battle it, and to inspire us to battle it, too. He doesn’t always win; in fact, he usually doesn’t. But battle it he does. And when he passes, we should stand up, and give him the honor he’s due.

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Firepower January 14, 2011 at 12:16

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Winston January 14, 2011 at 12:19

And to think if you stripped out just one point from this movie – the race of the character – and simply presented it as the portrayal of undue power women are granted by men to destroy other mens’ lives, it probably wouldn’t even receive a positive review let alone be heralded as a timeless classic

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piercedhead January 14, 2011 at 12:28

How absurd to think any black male ever actually raped a white woman in the South.

You, sir, are a disgrace.

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Rebel January 14, 2011 at 12:40

“But wherever injustice appears, there is always an Atticus Finch to battle it, and to inspire us to battle it, too. ”

There cannot be a single reason we should ever stop fighting for freedom.

To surrender is to die. To fight is to live.

The war must go on.

Forever.

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Robert in Arabia January 14, 2011 at 12:55

A novel is not a documentary.

The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the way it presents rape data obscures the racial element rather than clarifies it. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University, had to sift carefully through the data to find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape. [320] Another researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women. [321]

320. William Wilbanks, “Frequency and Nature of Interracial Crimes,” submitted for publication to the Justice Professional (November 7, 1990). Data derived from Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987, p. 53.

321. Andrew Hacker, Two Nations, pp. 183, 185

According the Department of Justice, in 2005, 37,460 white women were raped by blacks. Other non-whites accounted for 21,852 rapes. About 57% of all white female victims of rape in 2005 were raped by a non-white. The number of black women raped by white men that year is statistically zero in both category. That means there were “10 or fewer cases” reported.

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Clarence January 14, 2011 at 13:17

Robert in Arabia:

Comparing the blacks in todays inner cities to black people in the southern states in the past is ridiculous. The black family used to be strong, more to the point you could get a black man lynched legally or otherwise with a mere word. Excuse me if I think there was a lot of false accusations.

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namae nanka January 14, 2011 at 13:18

Winston is right, I have seen points about racism, and even about gender roles(scout and jem) but not about false rape accusations.

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Keyster January 14, 2011 at 13:33

That was a book about racism in the deep south 80 years ago, and a racially motivated hero, not false rape. Ironically it was, (and still is) dismissed at the time by blacks, because the black characters were never developed enough for their liking. It was also rife with feminist empowerment, as Scout was conflicted about being more feminine, listening to the “southern belle” female characters that suspected the black man guilty, and her own tomboyish independence.

Atticus Finch is meant to give us all a little bit less to feel guilty about. Had Tom Robinson been white, it would have never seen the printed page.

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Pierce Harlan January 14, 2011 at 13:51

Winston, you are absolutely correct.

Until relatively recently, few people suspected that significant numbers of white men were victimized by false rape claims. Even now, the persons who control the public discourse about rape insist that the false rape claims are rare, for both black and white men. Because false rape claims are supposedly rare, the sexual grievance industry and the feminist community believe such falsehoods, and the attendant carnage, are an “acceptable risk” (every feminist becomes an actuarial when it comes to false rape claims), and the falsely accused are unfortunate but necessary collateral damage in the “more important” war on rape that encourages even the liars to come forward.

On the race issue: for much of the 20th century, rape hysteria and its noxious emission, false rape claims, were problems that inordinately impacted black men. “The trials of black men accused of raping white women were all too often mere ‘legal lynchings.’ . . . . Between 1930 and the early 1970s, the Southern states executed 405 black men convicted of rape.” B. Holden-Smith, The Martinsville Seven: Race, Rape, and Capital Punishment, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, June 22, 1996. While it is impossible to say what percentage of the convictions that led to these executions were based on actual guilt, it is fair to assert that it was nearly impossible for black men to get a fair trial for the alleged rape of a white woman in the Deep South.

Even earlier, President Theodore Roosevelt deemed rape hysteria to be such a problem that his 1906 State of the Union address spent an inordinate amount of time discussing lynchings of black men for alleged rapes. There is no question that these lynchings too often took the lives of innocent men. President Roosevelt knew that this hysteria would someday affect white men, and his words that day were sadly prophetic: ‘The mob which lynches a negro charged with rape will in a little while lynch a white man suspected of crime.”

Exactly one-hundred years after Roosevelt spoke those words, three white Duke lacrosse players were fighting to extricate themselves from charges brought against them solely because they are white males.

Here, in 2011, false rape claims are now mostly color blind — no male above a certain age is safe, regardless of his race.

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Satyajit Roy January 14, 2011 at 13:57

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TDOM January 14, 2011 at 14:11

Winston is entirely correct. I studied this novel in ninth grade. Until I saw the movie many years later, I had completely forgotten that the crime in the novel was rape. In the fall of 1972 all that concerned my English class was the racism. That’s all I remembered of this book. The allegation of rape was meaningless, it was a book about racism and hatred. Take the racism out of the book and I doubt my class would have been assigned to read it.

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IronLowrider January 14, 2011 at 14:39

Satyajit Roy: We often stumble upon settings where we become unsure of the meaning of a piece of art.
In similar cases you may proceed by looking up the writer of the script (begin with reading about previous works, continue with life story and amount of wedlocks if you are still unsure).
By the way, the author of that episode is Sam Bane, a feminist. Draw the conclusion.

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Lovekraft January 14, 2011 at 14:50

The thought police recently decreed that all future copies of “Tom Sawyer” must have the n-word replaced by “slave”. I assume now that anyone who keeps old copies are living in fear of being exposed.

Here in Canada, the “Human Rights” commission successfully banned the Dire Straits song “Money for Nothing” because it contained the f-word (faggot).

Orwellian is an understatement. Is there any more doubt in sane, clear thinking minds that the PC leftist/feminist/homosexuality axis is a religion, stamping out any ‘false’ worshippers?

Back to topic, Academia today is a sham. Free speech and open inquiry is limited to PO-approved topics. Another sign of the decline of our society, and artistic expression that is state-sanctioned is, by definition, stale and phony.

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Traveller January 14, 2011 at 14:54

I agree, in the today data there are for sure a lot of false claims.

Today, I believe only a tiny fraction of rape cases are real rapes, I exclude even the cases in which the woman gets willingly drunk or goes alone in the night in a bad neighborhood.

And I do not believe yesterday the things were different.

Or a woman is cautious, or it is not rape.

If I leave my car unlocked and it is stolen, part of fault is on me.

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Simon January 14, 2011 at 15:03

What you let happen to the least man among you, happens to ALL men among you. Evil grows.

This was based on a true story.

Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGfdBwqzXeA

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV9TNOJGo4o&feature=related

False rape accusations and racism wiped out a town of good people who did nothing but try to survive.

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Andrew January 14, 2011 at 15:10

Excellent article…which of course illustrates the potential fate of all men, using a fictional story as an example which just so happened to have a black character.
Surely the intelligent commenters of the Spearhead won’t resort to criticising and getting ‘bogged down’ by the book because it incidentally happens to have a non white character, rather than seeing the bigger picture that affects us all.
Let’s see if the race-baiting can stop here…in 2011…as opposed to the usual suspects subtly inserting their insipid comments and ‘oh so accurate’ though selective statistics, to turn this into yet another ‘race thread..without seeing the bigger picture…
Let’s see and identify those who will disrupt the excellent strides Paul Elam has already made this year…by making us look like a laughing stock (or worse) to new readers of The Spearhead…unless they don’t.

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Firepower January 14, 2011 at 15:12

piercedhead January 14, 2011 at 12:28

How absurd to think any black male ever actually raped a white woman in the South.

You, sir, are a disgrace.

I’m sorry to offend you so easily. You are the smartest poster here as evidenced by your name.

It’s just that for every 100 Southern rapes, one was a false charge and THAT is the issue we must focus on. After all, false rape IS the aspect that made the Hollywood movie, not the actual rapes done by blacks.

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Angelo January 14, 2011 at 15:26

Satyajit Roy – I am familiar with episode you mentioned. It ended with this quote:

“The differences between men and women have been debated among philosophers since recorded history began. If indeed males are, by their nature the aggressor, it is this quality that may one day be their undoing.”

Are you seriously trying to tell me you cannot figure out whether there is an anti-male or anti-female bias here?

Would you mind having a look at Feministing and letting me know what you think of it. I can’t figure out whether it is anti-male or anti-female… :)

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Firepower January 14, 2011 at 15:30

Clarence January 14, 2011 at 13:17

Robert in Arabia:

Comparing the blacks in todays inner cities to black people in the southern states in the past is ridiculous. … Excuse me if I think there was a lot of false accusations.

Of course, it’s better if you focus on your feelings instead of statistics. As you state, it is better to focus on issues 50 years ago than today’s.

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Andrew January 14, 2011 at 15:44

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Lovekraft January 14, 2011 at 15:46

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Satyajit Roy January 14, 2011 at 15:54

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zed January 14, 2011 at 16:13

but again, I don’t have this passionate burning need to dehumanise others in every possible way…from every possible angle…in order to make myself appear…superior…
Each to their own though…just wish it wasn’t on The Spearhead.

The Spearhead is going to be at the forefront of it. It has only been about the past 5-6 years that men could get away with talking about these issues at all. Remember that it was only 2006 when Larry Summers slipped and simply mentioned that there might be inherent differences between men and women, and was pilloried and lost his job as president of Harvard over it.

And, in the past year or so the SoCons have finally woken up to the fact that not all men are just going to mindlessly fall in to their prescription for social Nirvana, no matter how hard the culture makes it for men to live up to those old roles and no matter how little support those men get for trying to fulfill those roles from any segment of society – least of all the SoCons themselves.

TFH has called it perfectly – the white knights, and all the other critics of the generalized MM, are going to double down, and then double down again, on their White Knighting and opposition to us. The Misandry Bubble is not going to give up without one hell of a fight. The next 2-5 years will probably be uglier than the last 40 put together. A storm often rages the worst right before it breaks.

But, the simple fact that men can speak here generally uncensored is going to draw in lots of people who hate the ideas and messages discussed here, and who will do whatever they think they can get away with trying to destroy that discussion.

We will just have to ride it out.

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Andrew January 14, 2011 at 16:20

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aharon January 14, 2011 at 16:32

“But wherever injustice appears, there is always an Atticus Finch to battle it, and to inspire us to battle it, too. He doesn’t always win; in fact, he usually doesn’t. But battle it he does.”

I’m thinking George Washington. He lost way more battles than he won.

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Clarence January 14, 2011 at 16:35

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Andrew January 14, 2011 at 16:55

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Firepower January 14, 2011 at 17:03

Andrew January 14, 2011 at 15:44

All united against feminism…unless race is mentioned of course…thereby giving females a free pass when it comes to rape, as long as they’re talking about black men.

Ah, yes: the multi-culti Utopia that has been historically proven to be such a success. All joining hands in one great wet sloppy Cultural Hug.

‘Statistics’…(yawn)…I could cite verifiable stats that make white males look like monsters for various ‘crimes’ also…

Go on, then. Prove it.

but again, I don’t have this passionate burning need to dehumanise others in every possible way…from every possible angle…in order to make myself appear…superior…

Well, your logic and writing skills definitely take a back seat to your ellipses skills.

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Firepower January 14, 2011 at 17:08

Clarence January 14, 2011 at 16:35

Firepower:

As someone who was reading VDARE over ten years ago, I’m fully aware of the statistics of interracial crime. I’m also aware that black and white criminality in poor areas , esp urban areas is a fact world-wide.

Good for you. You are entranced by stats on Southern law from ten years ago, worshipful of stats from one hundred years ago, and reverent on Civil War injustices…yet willfully ignorant of Robt. In Arabia’s submission of current racial crime stats.

The past is so much better to beat yourself up with, ’tisn’t it?

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Andrew January 14, 2011 at 17:10

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Firepower January 14, 2011 at 17:27

Nah, just “cite verifiable stats that make white males look like monsters for various ‘crimes’” and we’ll forget about your little ellipses indulgences.

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aharon January 14, 2011 at 17:36

Military Leadership Diversity Commission:
“Military commission: Lift ban, allow women in combat”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41083172/ns/us_news-life/

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Firepower January 14, 2011 at 17:39

Andrew

Clarence:

You, won’t…be…able to reason with Firepower et al…or tell him what he can or can’t do…don’t make the comments section about him…(or me for that matter).
FP makes some very worthwhile comments many a’ time…prefer GM though!

Reason is the one crux of an argument that I do, in fact, listen to.

Sadly, I read less and less of it here as the original contributors disperse to find their own blog fortunes. Reason has been displaced here of late, by childish Brandons ™ unable to bear any disagreement with their dogma.

They are TV viewers, thinking they are ready for the octagon without putting in efforts to train.

Perhaps there is hope for them, perhaps not.

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Clarence January 14, 2011 at 17:45

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Scattered January 14, 2011 at 17:46

Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime, whats your point?

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Louise January 14, 2011 at 17:49

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zed January 14, 2011 at 18:02

if The Spearhead is going to be at the forefront of it..which I hope it is…I want us to be able to argue with gravitas, with logic, with authority…which we generally do…until the ‘r’ issue comes up…then hotheads fly, emotionally laden comments abound making us look…weak, insecure and divided.

That is because, to a large extent, we are weak, insecure, and divided. I also would like “us” to be able to avoid silly snarky potshots and endless argument. That was my message behind “Eat the Mushroom.”

Since one of the big issues here is racism, I’ll use an old joke about the Lone Ranger and Tonto to make my point. (being from the UK, you might not get the references, but Google will give you enough background to get the joke)

Lone Ranger : “Looks like the Indians have us surrounded, Tonto.”
Tonto: “What you mean ‘us’, White Man?!?!”

If achieving any sort of consensus or, even marginal political agreement, were easily done, men would have done it long ago. The truth is that we are deeply divided, in many cases bitterly fragmented, and a lot of people who have been silent for a long time are finally beginning to speak out. The relative silence of the past 4 decades does not indicate any sort of agreement, but rather a sense of not even knowing how to get started, much less proceed. Now that the dam is finally breaking, there is going to be an inevitable period of chaos and much angry shouting.

Bill has made the general decision to keep censorship here to a minimum. The rating system allows an informal method of controlling disruption which goes outside the fragile rapport that regulars here have been able to achieve. There has always been some degree of it – and I think we need to expect that it is going to get a lot worse in the near future as the MM finally starts to appear on a lot of people’s radar.

The biggest problem with the MM is that we are the MITM – men in the middle. I think most MM types were actually fairly liberal way back when, and even today you will hear most of them continue to use the language of “equality.” They mostly supported the women’s movement until they figured out that women were out to stiff them, and even today both the SoCons and the feminidiots use the MITM as their proxies – projecting onto us the worst characteristics of their imagined opposition.

Going along with “go ahead, eat the mushroom”, I suggest a strategy of “let them fight with fog.” When someone comes here for no other reason that to pick a fight, instead of giving them what they are looking for – a fight, that is – give them nothing. Ignore them. Let them shout in an empty room with no one seeming to listen, while we carry on our conversations about relevant topics as though there were not even here.

It’s a variation of the strategy I use with women who want to argue. There is another old joke about there being two theories about how to argue with women – and neither of them work.

So, my strategy is – “I’m late for the door! Argue with my ass, bitch – it will be out of sight soon.”

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Lovekraft January 14, 2011 at 18:21

Zed: I agree, and guys like you and I need to act as a buffer, so to speak, so that our ‘Generals’ can carry on unheeded. I have a thick skin, acute debating skills and a passion for advancing our cause, so there’s really nowhere to go but forward. But we definitely have an uphill battle.

True art, true creation is born out of suffering and isolation, which is why you are correct in dismissing the meddlers and mischief-makers, for they wouldn’t know the true meaning of the MRM if is was facing them square in the face. Too long in the rabbit hole.

It seems that we are at a point in history where a new ‘idea’ is germinating that will sweep aside the old. Remember, it is feminism, matriarchy, indentured servitude that are the system and they have grown lazy and smug.

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Lovekraft January 14, 2011 at 18:23

@ Firepower:

your points do resonate with some here, but I suggest you tone it down, or at least save it if and when Mr Price chooses to bring this (his) website towards that direction. But this is a site primarily to address the damage of feminism, and you should be prepared to receive correction should you try to steer debate into racial issues.

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greyghost January 14, 2011 at 18:37

Don’t play the race game. There is no logic in it. And besides that you all know why crime stats are higher in the black community. The black community is the most matriarchal. It was easily done to black people because it was dressed up as helping black people. Now we have a community of people destroyed by femminism. Most of the issues have been falsely attributed to racism. All of the things that have been described on mens blogs due to the matriarchy are happening on a large scale in the black community. It has in fact become that garbage has become the cultural identity of black people. (African American Culture) It is the biggest bunch of deadly bullshit there is for black men. Even Firepower is falling for that shit.
BTW a lot of people outside of the manosphere will be surprised at the number of non-whites that post comments and have their own blogs on the subject of men.
In keeping with the article pierceharlan wrote about the story with an observation that wasn’t made at the time. False rape claims. He looked past race and found another issue that is relavant to all of us today.

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Andrew January 14, 2011 at 18:57

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amfortas January 14, 2011 at 19:01

Many thanks for a fine article, Pierce.

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Pierce Harlan January 14, 2011 at 19:31

I appreciate the comments by Alte and Louse and others. I personally know men like Atticus Finch, and, yes, some women, who would gladly take on the defense of a rape case where they think the defendant was falsely accused, because they can taste the injustice of it. I, too, have been blessed in being permitted to advocate for the falsely accused.

I want to briefly address some of the comments that “Mockingbird” was about race, not gender, with the implication that Atticus Finch really doesn’t speak to “men’s rights” issues.

The fact is that until relatively recently, virtually no one — not even the black community, where false claims too often resulted in the lynch mob’s noose for men, and certainly not the white community — viewed false rape claims as a problem for men as a class.

The fact is, until relatively recently, essentially no one viewed ANY problem that disproportionately affects men and boys as a problem for males as a class.

But that doesn’t mean that false rape claims, and many other things frequently written about on this blog, weren’t problems for males. They were. We simply didn’t recognize them as such. The past several decades, and especially the past few years with the Internet and blogs such as this one, have heightened our awareness and opened our eyes. Mankind’s awareness of injustice is always evolving, and the gender-specific injustice of false rape claims is a prime example.

It needs to be said that Mockingbird’s author didn’t just randomly select a rape case as the cornerstone of her book. She chose rape because its vileness is considered second only to murder of all the crimes on the books; because of its “he said/she said” nature; because it is so terribly easy to lie about and so terribly difficult to defend; and because the notion that a white woman would be automatically believed over a black male defendant was stingingly, and grotesquely, unjust. My assertion that “Mockingbird” was about a false rape claim is anything but a stretch. That’s exactly what it was about. The fact that society didn’t then recognize false rape claims as a “problem” for men as a class, and the fact that the racial injustice was widely regognized but the gender injustice was not, in no way alters what this book is about.

Everyone knows that “Mockingbird” addressed a sublimely important race issue. It is only recently that we have begun to understand that the author was unwittingly writing about a very important gender issue as well.

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Pierce Harlan January 14, 2011 at 19:32

Thank you, amfortas.

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zed January 14, 2011 at 19:50

oh well, he hasn’t been banned or anything, must have friends in high places.

No, it’s just that Bill made the very conscious decision when he started the Spearhead that he would allow a much greater degree of freedom of speech here than almost any other place on the net.

And that is the fundamental problem we are facing – lots of people don’t like what we say, so they don’t let us say it other places. That’s all well and good for most guys – getting to say here what they can’t say other places – right up to the point where someone says something they don’t like, and then they start to act like everyone else and start screaming “ban, ban, ban.”

Bill is the only person in a position to do that, and he has chosen to allow things he might not like hearing go on because the only alternative to that is to become a petty tyrant and kill the board by only allowing people who agree with him to post here.

Several years ago a guy started a website and board called “American Women Suck” and proceeded to kill it by only allowing clones of himself to post.

But, to me the bigger issue is a bit like having to go through advanced training for one of the elite military units. If the MM is still so fragile that we can only survive in a tightly controlled environment, then we might as well go back and play in our own sandboxes by ourselves. We simply have to learn how to overcome these issues and make progress in spite of them – not only be able to make progress when they don’t come up – because the split second we step off this site and try to take those issues to a larger public, they will come up.

Personally, I think it is better to learn how to deal with and defuse them here than walk out being used to dealing with people who are nice and agreeable to what we believe, and right off encounter someone who doesn’t.

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Andrew January 14, 2011 at 15:44

‘Statistics’…(yawn)…I could cite verifiable stats that make white males look like monsters for various ‘crimes’…= My check is in the mail.

“Hi Firepower. I could easily provide stats that ‘cite verifiably’ that white males are over represented for certain crimes, they are not hard to find, and easy to accept, except for those who are unable…but for what purpose?…in order to satiate a tit for tat exchange with a ‘commenter’ for which it should be self evident?” = My check is still in the mail.

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Robert in Arabia January 14, 2011 at 21:03

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/

The figure is from the Bureau of Prisons, 1991. In 1991, Whites were 74% of the population, and they were “nearly 70% of those convicted of child molesting.” In other words, Whites are about 7% less likely to commit child molestation than an average American.

The problem with the 1991 report was that, as usual, Hispanics were lumped in with Whites in terms of crime perpetrators, artificially inflating the White rate. The 1994 Justice Department report finally disaggregates Whites from Hispanics. The results, % of total child molesters by race:

Whites 54.1%
Hispanics 23.5%
Blacks 20.7%
Other 1.7%

Now compare to their presence in the general population for likelihood of being a child molester as opposed to an average American:

Hispanics +96%
Blacks +59%
Whites -35%
Other -58%

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Keyster January 14, 2011 at 21:05

I repeat, I’m as extreme as they come, but on The Spearhead, only against feminism.

The black race and feminism are inextricibly linked, from comparisons to women being slaves to the civil rights movement. Where ever blacks were about to make strides toward equality, women were right there to loudly protest “What about us?”, as if they were an equally oppressed group of people. That they hijacked the civil rights movement to make it about them was a despicable manuever, but the SCOTUS at the time was balanced toward the left, and so they gave in to the gals.

It’s difficult to talk about feminism without talking about race. And believe me, the shrews at NOW are cunstantly arguing over it. It’s not a sweet little garden party over there.

As far as “To Kill a Mockingbird” it’s well written but past it’s time, and the correlation to “False Rape Accusation” is a stretch even though that was the actual crime committed, that’s not what the book is about at all.

What’s needed is a “To Kill a Mockingbird” put into present day context, that IS about false rape accusation. But since it highlights the woman as a villian and man victim, it would never sell…unless of course the man is “of colour”. White male victims don’t sell, even though they’ve always been common in real life. It’s damn hard for people to sympathize with any identifiable member of the “white male power structure”.

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W.F. Price January 14, 2011 at 21:16

So their is racial tension in the mens rights movement in US?

Interesting.

-S. Roy

Not for you to make an issue of.

There’s been racial tension in the US since the beginning, and even before. We manage it pretty well here. There are no utopias, but there is reality, and that’s something men of all races can agree on.

Hell, I even let you post here with minimal restrictions, and quiet those who try to discredit you in an underhanded manner. Don’t take advantage of those liberties.

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@Robert in Arabia January 14, 2011 at 21:03

Good boy, Now show me stats by race for serial killers and random deranged mass murders. Go.
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http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/serial_myths.htm

The FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit has published a report, “Serial Murder – Multi-Disciplinary Perspectives for Investigators,” which attempts to dispel some of the myths about serial killers.

The racial make-up of known serial killers generally matches the racial diversification of the overall U.S. population, according to the report.

•Charles Ng, a native of Hong Kong, China, possibly tortured and killed as many as 25 people with his partner, Robert Lake.

•Derrick Todd Lee, a black man from Louisiana, killed at least six women in Baton Rouge.

•Coral Eugene Watts, a black man from Michigan, known as the Sunday Morning Slasher, killed 17 people in Michigan and Texas.

•Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, a Mexican national, killed nine people in Kentucky, Texas, and Illinois.

•Rory Conde, a Colombian native, murdered six prostitutes in the Miami area.

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Seamus the Classicist January 14, 2011 at 21:29

I remember one of my fellows from college relating a few anecdotes about false rape allegations (I personally was never social enough with the opposite sex to have such things leveled at me.)

In the stories he related, luckily all the men invovled had solid alibis, the cops never pursued the woman who filed the false rape claim. It was fluffed off as “common place and not worth prosecuting.”

Rape is one of the only felonies that doesn’t not have to be proven beyond a resonable doubt for a conviction. Rape is the crime that can be falsely reported without severe reprocussions.

Consider if the same criteria the law applies to rape were to be used in other fellony crimes: murder, grand theft, burglery, feloneous assault! I mean could you be convicted fo drug trafficing even if you had no product to distribute? Just because a neighbor across the way says you tried to sell him a kilo?

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Robert in Arabia January 14, 2011 at 21:33

Random deranged mass killing sprees are rare.
Worldwise figures are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_murderers_and_spree_killers_by_number_of_victims#Killing_sprees

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Robert in Arabia January 14, 2011 at 21:38

From SEXUAL UTOPIA IN POWER by F. ROGER DEVLIN

Feminists understand rape, however, not as a violation of a woman’s chastity or marital fidelity, but of her merely personal wishes. They are making use of the ancient law against rape to enforce not respect for feminine modesty but obedience to female whims.

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Caliph,
Try doing a little work yourself.

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W.F. Price January 14, 2011 at 22:24

You do realise, with your stats you’re actually humouring some negro from west Africa right? Truth be told as i type this sitting on my tree branch my older brother is swinging on his branch laughing his arse off.

The fact that you even bothered to humour me ( a negro from Africa of all places) makes me question the myth of Aryan man IQ supremacy, perhaps you’re from the shallow end of the gene pool and your aryan breeding rights be revoked.

-The Caliph

Hey, take it easy Caliph. Some American white guys are pretty pissed off and they take it out on blacks, but part of what we’re doing here is giving people a bit more perspective on things so they can get a clue and dispense with the BS.

Personally, I used to have my issues with blacks. I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and had to earn my respect physically. Fortunately for me, I was big and fast enough to do that, but a lot of white kids got kicked around a lot, and they’ve got a right to be pissed off at their treatment, which they never asked for.

However, I never had anything but good times with the African guys I knew in China (mostly Liberian, but a couple Nigerians), and I’ve always wanted to visit West Africa. At this age and in my position, I’ve got nothing to put me against black men, and it kind of surprises me to see white guys my age who are still pissed off. Perhaps some of them came from really shitty places like Detroit or LA, but IMO it’s time to let it go.

So, if some Africans want to welcome me over there I’d be happy to go — so long as I don’t get malaria or some other awful sickness like that. Seriously, that’s the only thing that scares me about Africa — these diseases. Otherwise I think it would be good times, and would really appreciate the opportunity.

Firepower: you know you’d miss the Africans if they were gone. Go ahead and say you wouldn’t, but I wouldn’t believe you. What flesh and blood white man wants to live in an entirely SWPL universe, anyway? Not me…

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Scattered January 14, 2011 at 22:55

Caliph

I don’t think you understand me, there were comments talking about the black crime rate, while perhaps true I don’t understand why it matters.

According to leftist standards we are all sexist, given this if we weren’t similarly racist we would be hypocrites.

Racial issues are always going to come up in a place like this because the same leftist ideologies that apply to feminism also apply to minorities.

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Robert in Arabia January 15, 2011 at 01:44

My best African friend in America happened to be the nephew of three successive presidents of his homeland. Perhaps he was not typical.

I hope you do not have an Amy Biehl moment.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2010/12/amy-biehl-a-white-liberal-on-the-dark-continent/

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goldenfetus January 15, 2011 at 04:35

I am an occasional reader but this is my first comment.

Racial issues in the West appear inextricably linked to feminism from my perspective. And yes – to homosexual acceptance and communism as well. Don’t they all have the same source – the hatred of strength? Didn’t this enter our society first, and then ‘blossom’ into each of these movements? They all come from weakness worshippers – the ones who understand the implications of natural selection and fear they will be selected against – banding together against the group that nature has favored: white males. Each of those movements is one aspect of outright hatred toward success and ability. One of their many fallacies is believing white males are dominant through coercion rather than superiority, and in undermining them they end up undermining the society that sustains them, as that society is the product of the nature of ‘dead white males’. Blacks in general are empirically and obviously intellectually and (arguably) morally inferior to whites. To no small degree. This is not to say they have NO value, but to say they have objectively LOWER value than whites. White resentment towards blacks comes from society’s failure to recognize that. Society’s continued overvaluation of blacks and constant wealth redistribution to prop them up. Because every society is as good as the people composing it, a society is pulled down to the degree it includes blacks – the lowest members of the human family. Dysgenic trends in America, like higher black and hispanic birth rates and immigration, are one half of the picture of Western desolation – the other half being the white family being demolished by feminism.

Yes, I am a white male.

I say this in good faith, and I hope it is received the same way. This is me being honest, and if there’s an issue with the TRUTH of what I’ve said I genuinely want to be corrected. As I am not intimately familiar with this site yet, there may be common knowledge you all share that will easily debunk the narrative I came here with. If so, please enlighten me.

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Traveller January 15, 2011 at 04:37

The Caliph January 14, 2011 at 20:09

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

I suggest you (and everyone interested) read this site. The whole, with the comments. That would occupy you for a bit.

After that, we can continue speak about race.

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james January 15, 2011 at 05:43

Australia is not 92% white, I live here. That’s from the 2001 census I believe, also like the UK the government underplays the scale of demographic change by not including permanent residents without citizenship, which considering immigration to this country is currently around 300,000+ per year makes most of the stats a joke.

Aboriginals are 15 times more likely to be imprisioned for violent offenses here.

Tongans, Samoans Lebs and Vietnamese are also massively over-represented.

Africans as well especially in violent and sex crimes, they gang raped a woman in a small town to the north of me [Bendigo] last week, 8 on one in a locked room.

Anyone who looks past the PC bulldust on gender yet cannot do the same on matters of ethnicity is a coward and a fool.

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Opus January 15, 2011 at 07:57

Miscarraiges of justice are a terrible thing (we have, do we not, a lot to say about them here at The Spearhead).

In that respect may I protest (on behalf of my Head of State) the suggestion that James Bond (although not Indiana Jones) is a hero of American Cinema. I trust I do not need to explain why.

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Opus January 15, 2011 at 08:24

It seems I do need to explain why:-

Bond, after reading Oriental Languages at Oxbridge joined The Royal Navy. With the rank of Lt Cdr he is seconded to MI5 (The British Secret Service). Pinewood Studios is in the County of Buckinghamshire. Connery is a Scot, Moore is English, Brosnan is Irish, Craig is English etc etc

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zed January 15, 2011 at 09:06

Granted as a Nigerian growing up in a prediominantly black country the only parallel i have to race issues is tribal issues.

I contend that they are the same thing – races are nothing more than meta-tribes. White tribes – like the Germans and the French – have never had any difficulty at all hating each other. Inter-tribal warfare existed in Africa long before any white man set foot on the continent, as did warfare between tribes of Native American aboriginal peoples.

The comments of random passers-by here at the Spearhead do not necessarily reflect the beliefs and attitudes of the “management” or its regular supporters, any more than a drunk wandering into a restaurant and starting a fight indicates that the restaurant owner is in favor of drunkenness and fighting.

Once again, the message of my essay “Who Eats the Mushroom” is that it is virtually impossible to argue someone out of what he believes. Trying to do so is a waste of time and energy, does nothing but raise your blood pressure, gets your goat, and very effectively sabotages communication on other issues on which you might find agreement.

I believe it was Oscar Wilde who quipped that what passes for thinking on the part of most people amounts to nothing more than rearranging their biases.

I’m not going to go along with the MM being hijacked by a bunch of racists – whether it is Obsidian coming in here trying to get things stirred up by slamming everyone here with “yall are just a bunch of racist crackers”, or a bunch of Aryan-Pride types showing up trying to tar all black men with the same brush.

Every time the MM has made even the tiniest step of progress, someone shows up to reopen old wounds and destroy any glimmerings of developing cohesion by using old differences to divide and conquer and get everyone at each other’s throats.

Fighting bigots paradoxically requires a certain bigotry of one’s own. Most black men who are regulars here should be able to see that the core supporters of the Spearhead are anything but racist, and do see that men of all colors face some common issues. If all it takes are a few white loudmouths showing up to trigger old distrust and make our black readers jump to the conclusion that we all agree with the bigots, there is not a lot of point into twisting ourselves into pretzels trying to prove to them otherwise.

Inflammatory comments are intentionally used to divert the discussion from the real issues.

Yes, back in the 1950s, when TKAM was set, there was a lot of segregationist/JimCrow sentiment left among Southern Whites. However, the lynch mob mentality exists as something separate and apart from racism. For every 3 black men lynched in the US, there was one white man lynched. All a lynch mob needs when lynching fever sets in is a target that everyone agrees is worthless.

Fast forward 45 years from TKAM, and it was a white knight cracker, Mike Nifong, who set out to lynch 3 white boys for “sullying the honor” of a black stripper. The Gang of 88 was composed of both black and white.

Which leads to the question – if our enemies are able to put racial differences aside in order to cooperate to attack us, why the hell can’t we do the same in order to defend ourselves?

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Keyster January 15, 2011 at 09:27

Racial issues are always going to come up in a place like this because the same leftist ideologies that apply to feminism also apply to minorities.

Yes, that’s the inescapable truth.

And Caliph: African Americans and African Africans have very little in common other than being members of the negro race. The American black culture is unique to America. From slavery, to segregation, to endless government programs meant to give them, as a special group, a leg up on life; none of which worked.

What did however was a free market society that cherishes the individual above all else, regardless of race or gender. Some chose to accept this concept and work, while others continue to wallow in self-pity and hatred of “whitey”.

Please add me to your invitee list to Nigeria.
Oh and your invited here anytime.

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Robert January 15, 2011 at 10:06

Humanity is it’s own worst enemy. It already posseses the power to destroy itself.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) January 15, 2011 at 10:45

zed January 15, 2011 at 09:06

Well said Zed. I can’t stand men who like to somehow ‘judge’ men by the colour of their skin. Sure, some races seem to have, on average, some advantages over others.

I mean when was the last time the worlds fastest man was NOT black? Um…it’s been a while. When was the last time the worlds fastest man in the water was NOT white? Are us whiteys closer to the fish? And the yellow men were millenia in front of the rest of us with stuff like fireworks and the yellow men still do a bang up job of being smarter on average.

BIG DEAL! GET OVER IT.

The white race managed to KILL more black, yellow and red men than the rest of them put together. And that ain’t something to be too proud of if you ask me.

I was on an australian originie site yesterday where they were complaining about ‘police racism for abusing black people’. I pointed out that though there was racism in the NSW Police force there have been plenty of WHITE MEN assaulted by the police, me being one of them.

The simple fact is this. We are ALL in the SAME BOAT no matter the colour of our skin. There are a bunch of guys at the top who want to get rid of the ‘useless eaters’. That the ‘useless eaters’ like to argue among themselves as to who is more or less useless than the others would tend to substantiate the point they are ‘useless eaters’. Race is more ‘divide and conquer’. And it is a very easy card to play. Just like religion is.

I’ve written here a LOT about individual rights. G Edward Griffin has talked about this until blue in the face and grey in the hair. Men are either going to defend their own rights or they are going to remain the slaves they are today. It’s not going to be put any more simply than that.

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Rollory January 15, 2011 at 13:00

As has been pointed out, this story had nothing to do with false rape claims, and everything to do with pillorying racism, and ignoring the fact that blacks DO rape whites and DID rape whites at much greater rates than one would expect from their proportion of the population.

There is a lot of talk here about facing uncomfortable truths, but this seems to be one people want to run away from, and pretend the issue with the book is something entirely other than what it is.

It’s downright female, on the scale of self-deception.

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Rollory January 15, 2011 at 13:02

“Racial issues are always going to come up in a place like this because the same leftist ideologies that apply to feminism also apply to minorities.”

There you go. Exactly.

“There’s no difference between different races of men! We’re all men, we’re all the same!” You have exactly as much evidence to support that statement as the feminists have for “Men and women are the same and can do the same things!”

It’s mind-boggling the amount of desperate lying on display in this thread.

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Rollory January 15, 2011 at 13:28

On reflection I want to add one thing. The _purpose_ of the lying (about how blacks aren’t really so different than whites and we shouldn’t notice or be upset about black behavior) is in the service of forming a “men’s movement” that, presumably, would be stronger for not having deep differences between parties within it. But any movement that is built on lies is a movement that maybe shouldn’t exist in that form in the first place. If a “men’s” movement can not exist without deliberately covering up the truth about _some_ men, then it doesn’t deserve to exist. If a “men’s” movement that is worthy of adherence is to exist, it _has_ to be capable of admitting the truth about itself, even as it attempts to get women to admit the truth about their selves.

This is fairness. Avoiding it is utterly self-destructive foolishness. Voting down the truth because you don’t like it is what passes for thinking on DailyKos or Little Green Footballs.

(Deleting comments? So site management policy is to make the lies official? Yeah, good going there, you’ll get REAL FAR doing that)

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Rollory January 15, 2011 at 13:29

Gah, ignore the “deleting comments” line above. Browser is acting weird, I jumped to the wrong conclusion. My apologies to Welmer.

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Robert in Arabia January 15, 2011 at 14:05

http://www.colorofcrime.com/

Perhaps the most important publication of New Century Foundation is The Color of Crime, New Century Foundation’s report on differences in crime rates by race, bias in the justice system, and interracial crime. First published as a monograph in 1999, the new 2005 edition of The Color of Crime is now available on-line as a free PDF download.

FBI — Uniform Crime ReportsUse the new online UCR Data Tool to research crime statistics from as far … to age-specific arrest rates and race-specific arrest rates for 1993-2001. …
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr – Cached

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Dadar Baap January 15, 2011 at 14:26

Sotyojit,

there should be a movie made about how all commie mangina bongs in Bongol get wiped out through a disease that sterilised the most mangina of men. Then the partiarchal biharis, nepalis and assamese just take everything in bongol for free including the better looking of the bong women.

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Herbal Essence January 15, 2011 at 19:29

I am a white guy, but I am really multiculturally oriented. Some would say too much. And I don’t think it’s racism to point out statistics showing a disproportionate amount of crime. Statistics are statistics. We can debate their validity or accuracy. But I don’t think citing statistics is racism.

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post-modern devil January 15, 2011 at 22:01

The stupid thing about racial debate between different ethnic groups of ONE country is that enviroment can play a serious part in how socially malignent a particular demographic can be. Humans however have a degree of control over our enviroment far beyond that of any animal (even if we are ultimately suseptible to the Law of God) so it isn’t wise to say lower blacks and Mestizos to a lesser extent would always be malignent towards the enviroment if allowed to adapt naturally (instead of the Left forgoing any reasonable chance of assimilation.

Yes, this is the standard reasoning pulled by leftists except to a more moderate conclusion (instead of being the only deciding factor like the left wants us to beleive), but that isn’t to say that the notion doesn’t have some kernals of truth.

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Robert in Arabia January 15, 2011 at 23:01

Why is crime rising in so many American cities? The answer implicates one of the most celebrated antipoverty programs of recent decades.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/6872/

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arthur January 16, 2011 at 09:08

What you guys need to do is go back and look at some of firepower’s comments on other articles. Once you have figured out the pattern you should be able to connect the dots regarding his first comment here.

Here’s a hint: I will bet that before he hit “submit” he said to himself or, to anyone in the room with him……..

“watch this”.

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Firepower January 16, 2011 at 10:03

Clarence January 14, 2011 at 17:45

I’m not sure what your problem is

I just don’t hate white men as much as you – nor propagandize it with childish insults as do you.

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Firepower January 16, 2011 at 10:58

zed January 14, 2011 at 18:02

Since one of the big issues here is racism, I’ll use an old joke about the Lone Ranger and Tonto to make my point. (being from the UK, you might not get the references, but Google will give you enough background to get the joke)

You fail to comprehend Andrew comes from a homogeneous culture,

without places such as Detroit

.

He is the ultimate Suburbanite: spouting platitudes and sniffing about Peace n’ Luv! whilst insulated far above it “all” 40 miles away in a gated condo.

Still, his simpering, decadent (and white) Rulers and overlords in Parliament are ensuring the former Great Britain will get its share of Muslim Jihadist immigrants to test and see just how “huggable” lady andrew’s grandkittens shall be when Mohammad moves in next door with his 34 relatives all on The Dole. Andrew is like an Academic who tells you to “love diversity!” just…”like, because, man.” The Fools’s argument.

Going along with “go ahead, eat the mushroom”, I suggest a strategy of “let them fight with fog.” When someone comes here for no other reason that to pick a fight, instead of giving them what they are looking for – a fight, that is – give them nothing.

Now this is the argument of The Henpecked Husband*. The man without tools, will or recourse – lest he be branded an abuser and subsequently arrested. For being powerless. This is pure *THH Game.

It’s a variation of the strategy I use with women who want to argue.

…and there is your proof.

For such an expert in Daoist Arguments, you sure take up a LOT of bandwidth.

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zed January 16, 2011 at 13:24

Here’s a hint: I will bet that before he hit “submit” he said to himself or, to anyone in the room with him……..

“watch this”.

As always, arthur nails it.

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piercedhead January 16, 2011 at 14:46

What you guys need to do is go back and look at some of firepower’s comments on other articles.

This.

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Firepower January 16, 2011 at 15:11

oooh…

The nefarious “snake in the grass argument” – the traitor among us.

Too bad my actual membership on this forum predates your actual birth dates.

Still, your arguments hinging upon what you “think” some anonymous somebody “bet” I said is so much more reputable and effective than using, say, actual facts; you cop to the feminist method of argument.

Your zen/zed-like “floating above it all” is the shaky urban missionary’s hope of ending LA gang violence with a prayer vigil.

Pure wishful thinking; like wishing away the Taliban.
Maybe in another 15 years you’ll have written your second book.
And all will be Well.

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Firepower January 16, 2011 at 15:19

W.F. Price January 14, 2011 at 22:24

Firepower: you know you’d miss the Africans if they were gone. Go ahead and say you wouldn’t, but I wouldn’t believe you. What flesh and blood white man wants to live in an entirely SWPL universe, anyway? Not me…

hmm. You got me. I’d rather have the 80s Lisa Bonet, Sade and Jayne Kennedy than LiLo.

Damn the swipples, full steam ahead.

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Firepower January 16, 2011 at 15:37

Rebel January 14, 2011 at 12:40

“But wherever injustice appears, there is always an Atticus Finch to battle it, and to inspire us to battle it, too. ”

Quite rousing, but – who exactly would that person be today?

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goldenfetus January 16, 2011 at 21:54

If you’re going to insult me, why don’t you qualify it? For example, you come across as incoherent and narcissistic. Incoherent because your posts were rambling, inspecific, ad hominem rants, and narcissistic because of the seemingly unqualified high-school-level claims about your potency and importnace. How am I foolish? My post contained nothing to be proud or ashamed or. I stated the truth as I see it and politely requested specific feedback – which you did not address. My first post was about race because I don’t comment to ‘hear myself talk’. I generally agree with the content I’ve seen here before, but the comments in this article were my first indication of the racial stance here. It makes sense to me to lay out my perspective on race and feminism and ask how it may be flawed. From the comments in this post I expect the issue has come up before, but I am a bit taken aback by how unwilling people seem to discuss it – dismissing the importance of race with personal attacks and shaming language and a stream of fallacies, rather than addressing it in good faith. When people are unwilling to discuss an issue in good faith it’s a decent indication they know their position is indefensible.

You can’t fix a problem by treating its symptoms and ignoring the cause. And in this case I assert the cause is something like a case of ‘tall poppy syndrome’ worming its way to the heart of the West. Today, people are revered for how weak and useless they are rather than for their talents. People of actual honor and merit have to hide it or make shows of submissiveness in order to avoid people screaming ‘you think you’re better than me!!!’ hysterically in their faces. Once you get rid of this and allow people to take notice of individual differences again feminism will disappear along with multiculturalism and massive wealth redistribution to the parasite races. Until that sickness can be cured at its source, all of its manifestations – feminism, homosexual acceptance, communism, multiculturalism, racial equality, etc – need to be treated together to keep the cancer from metastasizing. Now if I’m incorrect, HOW am I incorrect, specifically?

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Robert in Arabia January 16, 2011 at 22:18

My problem with To Kill A Mockingbird.

The town Maycomb is small. People in the town are not strangers as they would be in a larger community. Bob Ewell is portrayed as a drunken, mostly unemployed white member of Maycomb’s poorest family. His character is well-known to all.
Tom Robinson, a black person, lives on the outskirts of Maycomb with his wife and children. He is seen a kind and gentle man earns a lot of respect in the town of Maycomb by his services. Tom Robinson is a member of the church and attends with Calpurnia, this suggests that he is highly religious and respects and worships God. He, like Atticus, is polite and thinks nothing of doing various things for others out of sheer compassion and kindness. His character is well-known to all.
Harper Lee is alleging that the the townspeople of Maycomb knowing the character of these two men would conspire to destroy the saint at the behest of the least respected white person in town.
I do not believe that this is how small southern communities worked.
I had some white neighbor from a small town in the sourth when I lived in America. They frequently used the N-word. During a blizzard when a black family’s car got stuck in the snow, they were the only people who got shovels and helped dig their car out.

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Dadar Baap January 17, 2011 at 08:29

STFU sotyojit,

Bongol is a shit parasitic leech state that needs to get flushed into the ocean to get rid of parasitic mangina bong parasites like yourself.

Also you should live on your own with your future slut wife or current slut wife, like I said we don’t want your parents to act like a guard for the henhouse fox needs to come and play so he can cuckcold your omega loser self.

Or you might just be a slutty bong cunt.

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W.F. Price January 17, 2011 at 09:25

Aryans ARE people of color. I’m an aryan. The word was co-opted and misappropriated by Hitler. Its an ancient South Asian word.

-SR

Cognates exist in European languages, but they generally denote traits or status rather than ethnicity (e.g. “aristocrat”).

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Firepower January 17, 2011 at 09:34

Alte

Well… of course. Which is why I haven’t jumped on the “hate on Firepower” bandwagon.

I don’t mind. Does a babysitter hate the babies? No. Does a parent hate the infant because it shits its diaper? No.

But don’t you find anything worth discussing about the actual article?

Nah. If the original author doesn’t, why should I waste my time; I waste too much of it here as it is.

I was thinking about why Harper Lee chose a black-on-white FRA as the alleged crime.

I suspect it was not only because of the inherent difficulty in…

Looks like it never occurred to you that To Kill a Mockingbird is a work of fiction deliberately crafted to give the audience a simultaneous white villain and ultimate sympathetic black hero.

Propaganda like this was OLD when Uncle Tom’s Cabin came out with stock chestnuts like Poor Eliza and Evil Simon LeGree. I assume you know of the story.

Nope TKAM is stock propaganda – with stoic victim’s heartwarming physical disability #5b included free of charge. Even the standard, delightful, saintly retard savior. TKAM is a Liberal wet dream.

Falling for Hollywood’s Craptacular White Guilt got old for me long ago. I wised up.

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Firepower January 17, 2011 at 10:59

Ah, yes – the Noble Savage meme.
Innocent savants, perpetually victimized by whites – then saved by them.

Pure “UTC II.” Guess that means we get the CGI or Pixar version next.

I liked that tale when it was fresh 160 years ago.

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Robert in Arabia January 17, 2011 at 14:29

Robert is not Robert in Arabia and vice versa.

Easy to find, if you look.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf

Table 42
Table 46

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#cite_note-17
5.

The U.S. Department of Justice compiles statistics on crime by race, but only between and among people categorized as black or white. The statistics for whites include hispanic and non hispanic whites combined.

There were 194,270 white and 17,920 black victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2006. Out of the 194,270 cases involving white victims, 50.6% had white offenders and 16.7% had black offenders, while the 36,620 black victims had a figure of 43% black offenders, the remaining being of other or unreported race, with a negligible number of white offenders.

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W.F. Price January 17, 2011 at 15:58

“Arya” is a Sanskrit word thousands of years old.

-SR

Sure, and I’d argue that the fact that it is used to indicate ethnicity as opposed to status in India and Iran suggests that the Indo-Aryans were invaders (probably eastern IE tribes related to Slavs and Balts) rather than indigenous.

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W.F. Price January 17, 2011 at 17:39

Where did you get the idea that it was/is used to indicate ethnicity as opposed to status in India?

-SR

Actually, that’s a good question. Caste is essentially foreign to Europeans, so maybe it doesn’t fit in to either status or ethnicity. However, it seems closer to ethnicity than to status from my American perspective.

And the AIT – Aryan Invasion Theory has been discredited decades ago.

Has it? Well then why do Europeans speak related languages? Did we all emerge from India? If so, why is there a linguistic gradient in India but not Europe?

Doesn’t make sense.

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W.F. Price January 17, 2011 at 18:41

Please explain what that means in light of this from wiki

-SR

Pardon, I mean IE/Dravidian gradient, not intra-familial.

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W.F. Price January 17, 2011 at 19:06

@SR

That’s my point: why is India largely Dravidian if it’s the origin of IE languages?

Honestly, I have no problem with the idea that India is the origin of European languages, but it simply doesn’t make sense to me. For one thing, India has been civilized for thousands of years, and my Northern Euro ancestors have only been literate for about 1,500 years, but they speak languages distantly related to Sanskrit. This being the case, why were they so primitive and devoid of a subcontinent derived script?

Seems more likely to me that they were indigenous. If not, you’d think they would have been civilized people rather than barbarian tribes, which they clearly were despite their relatively advanced technology.

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Firepower January 18, 2011 at 09:30

CashingOut January 17, 2011 at 16:11

Here’s the problem with what you just said:

No, the actual problem IS you ask for proof, and RIA links you to actual FBI statistics and you still make the standard, sordid attempt to dismiss the figures with the standard, childish, Liberal ad hominem accusations of him belonging to “Stormfront.”

Does it matter that you are clearly an ACLU operative? Perhaps.

This, Robert of Arabia, is why I did not bother going into excrutiating detail to disprove what you had posted: because just as with feminist lies, when it comes to racist propaganda,

You did not bother going into excruciating detail to disprove Robert’s post – for you saved your energy to bury it with BS about his “motives” – a purely emotional response to a table of FBI stats.

You are a sickness.

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W.F. Price January 18, 2011 at 11:36

Nouns and adjectives in Dravidian languages are Sanskrit. So much so that we are trying to figure out if the ancient pattern was Sankrit to Dravidian or Dravidian to Sanskrit derived.

-SR

If you take English as an example, that would suggest that Sanskrit speakers comprised the upper, ruling class. Many English nouns and adjectives are of French origin, as French was the language spoken by the Norman invaders. However, the language remains Germanic at its core.

It’s an interesting discussion, and I don’t have any vested interest either way, but given European cultural continuity, it’s hard for me to believe that IE languages are not indigenous to Europe, or at least some part of it.

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Robert in Arabia January 19, 2011 at 23:27

We know for a self-evident fact that Obama has been concealing his birth certificate. Therefore we know that there is something about the circumstances of his birth which, advanced liberal society or not, he himself regards as so damaging that he feels he must conceal it. He may have been born out of wedlock, which is highly likely, given that Barack Sr. was married to a Kenyan woman when he met Stanley Ann. Even if advanced liberal society claimed not to care about that, Obama may care very much about it. Or he may be the son of a man other than Barack Obama Sr. Given that he has constructed his entire identity around his “dreams from his father,” if it turned out that Obama Sr. was not his father, Obama Jr.’s entire life would be revealed as a fraud.
Or it may be that Obama was legitimate and the son of Obama Sr., but was not born in Hawaii, which would also reveal his life story as a lie. Or perhaps his parents were married but he was not born in the U.S., which would mean that he was not a natural born citizen and thus not qualified to be U.S. President, as has been discussed in detail here.

Whatever the truth is, this much is now at least provisionally demonstrated as true: that the birth certificate is not there. Either it has been destroyed, meaning that Obama had it destroyed in order to cover up the truth about himself, or it never existed, at least in Hawaii. Either way, it is now established, not as a fantasy in the bigoted brains of birthers, but as something close to a certainty, that the circumstances of Obama’s birth are unknown. We do not know the truth about Obama’s birth. But we do know something. We know that we do not know the truth about his birth. And such knowledge of not knowing is itself a form of truth. It is indeed the primary truth that the birthers have been insisting on all along; and now, given Gov. Abercrombie’s apparent inability to find the birth certificate of Barack Obama in the official records of the state of which he, Abercrombie, is the governor, it is a truth that can no longer be denied.

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Somehow Somewhat October 7, 2011 at 22:32

What is the main cause of false-rape accusations? A woman who had consensual sex with a man she is ashamed of if the fling is known to the public. What was the hierarchy of black males in the list of “respectable” men a white woman could have had sex with, especially during the wee years in the deep south? What else could a woman say if her less-than-glamorous illicit partner of choice became known? Does this sound familiar in the present day rates of false-rape cases?

The Spearhead is best moving forward without the divisive racial issues. Race-baiting is a red-herring meant to derail useful discussion yonder here.

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