The Tide has Already Turned

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by W.F. Price on December 23, 2010

In any discussion there’s always the danger of allowing the arguments and line of thought to stray ever farther from the reality of any given situation — the facts on the ground so to speak. This is especially the case where politics are involved, because making a moral case takes on such importance, as opposed to, say, engineering, where the goal is to make things work in the physical world.

Because of this peculiarly irrational nature of politics, great acts of folly have been undertaken in the name of “progress.” For example, Chairman Mao’s Great Leap Forward, which directly caused the unnecessary deaths of millions of people in an effort to realize a Communist utopia. The Communist Party demanded nothing less than the impossible from everyone from farmers to industrial engineers, causing catastrophic failure.

What this demonstrates is that there are limits not only to the stress a structure can withstand, but to the feasibility of political programs as well. In an often misunderstood gesture, a wise old ruler of England once sat on the seashore and commanded the advancing tide to stop. The story about Canute, a Danish viking who ruled over England, Denmark and Norway, may have been apocryphal, but the event may have occurred as a demonstration carried out by the king. As the saying goes, the sea ignored his command, and Canute then proclaimed that the power of kings is as nothing compared to the might of heaven. Some think Canute was trying to make a point about the limits of his earthly authority, and was rebuking the flattery of sycophants.

Today, armed with high technology, power and wealth beyond the dreams of Canute, it is easy to forget that despite our advances we are still subject to the same reality as medieval English kings. Our politicians promise to manipulate the weather and thereby save the world, to create wealth out of nothing, and to elevate all our children above the mean. Perhaps it is a result of democracy — one wins an election not so much by obtaining results in the real world, but by making the most fantastic promises for tomorrow.

As we discuss the plight of men in our society we tend to focus directly on the promises made by politicians, feminists and others wedded to the status quo. In so doing, we run the risk of losing sight of reality as well, and, ironically, in aiding them in their attempts to impose the impossible.

What we need to remind ourselves is that feminism as envisioned by most of its supporters is at best an unfeasible plan. At worst, it is an impossible effort. The distinction between the two is quite important, because where the former may siphon off work and waste time while people explore the plan and attempt to find a way to implement it, ultimately it will be abandoned as they realize it simply can’t be done. The latter, as Mao’s Great Leap Forward, would be an all-out attempt to impose a system doomed to catastrophic failure.

Some may say: “But look at all that feminism has accomplished! It is well on its way to total, permanent victory forever and always.” No, this is far from the case. While feminist policies may have been imposed in a great many places in our society, this has come at great expense; an expense that we probably cannot maintain for much longer. Disassembling the American family has been enormously costly over the last generation. Millions of children are failing to live up to their potential as productive citizens, and social costs have been piling up as a result of fatherless homes and single motherhood. The divorce industry may be very lucrative for those involved with courts, but it does not add one cent to national wealth. Higher education has been successfully promoted for girls, and now we have millions of young women wasting several productive years obtaining useless degrees that give them little more than a sense of entitlement. The lower number of boys in higher education is not the real problem; it is the excess of females that we ought to worry about.

Although some have cheered the fact that productive male industry and occupations, such as resource extraction, manufacturing, construction and engineering have been on the decline for decades, and suggest that we have “advanced” to a service economy, they seem blind to the fact that the success of that service economy depends on our ability to force people to use it through the dollar’s primacy as the world’s currency. This is directly tied to our status as the world’s policeman — a job Americans are no longer all that enthusiastic about. The service economy is a house of cards; platitudes notwithstanding, our women and girls have nothing of particular value to offer the rest of the world.

Countries that have built themselves up largely on the backs of their women have existed, particularly in East Asia, where developing countries turned to light industry as a source of much-needed foreign capital. Korea pursued this strategy in the 60s and 70s, and China more recently in the 80s and 90s. However, these countries did not develop through services provided by females, but rather by putting women to work in materially productive occupations.

There is only one country in the world where services provided by females form a pillar of the national economy, and that country is Thailand. Through prostitution, Thai women bring in over 10% of Thailand’s GDP, which would make them some of the most economically productive women on the planet, but somehow that does not seem as though it would be a viable strategy here.

So what we have here is a movement and policies that were paid for first by economically productive men in the US, and then as the productive, male economic base shrunk, by what amounts to foreign subsidies, and finally by loans from Chinese industrialists. For all the triumphalism, proclamations of eternal victory and articles rubbing men’s collective face in women’s piles of cash, feminism has been an economic failure. It is an enormous money pit that sucks wealth and productivity into oblivion. It is a hothouse flower maintained in an artificial environment.

Given continuous, strong economic growth, it is plausible that the current state of affairs could continue indefinitely, but not probable. In fact, more likely than not feminism would eventually consume itself even in an economically healthy environment, because it is counterproductive by its nature, and even if we did not face bottlenecks now and in the foreseeable future, it would sow the seeds of its own destruction by reversing the traditional flow of wealth into the creation of and out from the fruits of productive endeavors, i.e. the men who finance them as well as those who profit from them would be forced to turn their wealth over to women. At its core, feminism is about nothing more than resource distribution from men to women, and after a certain point such redistribution causes a breakdown of the mechanisms that keep an economy functional.

However, we do face some bottlenecks, chief among them the energy issue, so whether or not feminism could survive during sustained growth is moot. Humanity will not run out of gas all of the sudden, but the cost involved in procuring the energy that allows us to maintain such a complex economy will certainly rise, and the return on our investment will fall. We’re running out of easy oil, environmental pressure is limiting the fruits of the Green Revolution, and political resistance is cutting into the profits of global trade.

We are not looking at another period of sustained prosperity such as the one that began after Word War II and ended some time in the last decade. Instead, we are facing a struggle that will require some tough decisions if we want to maintain anything like our current lifestyle. We will need scores of new nuclear power plants, advances in agricultural technology, new modes of transportation and an overhaul of our infrastructure, to name a few things. Although we have the native talent to achieve these things, it’s entirely possible that we will fail.

This is relevant to feminism because it suggests two scenarios for the end of feminism: the first, and more favorable one being a conscious political choice to let it die so as to focus effort and energy on tackling the more pressing issues of sustaining economic and technological progress despite the challenges we are facing. The second and less comfortable scenario would be a failure of political will and the eventual end of feminism due to economic contraction and the concomitant lack of means to enforce and support it. Given contemporary politics, the latter appears more likely, however, this outcome may not be as bad as it sounds — it could happen sooner than we expect.

Speculation aside, the reality is that feminism has already begun to decline. That so many media outlets and women are declaring its victory means nothing; the fact is that they have far less of value to offer women than they did ten years ago, and they will have even less in another ten years. Every man who is ruined so that his hormonally deranged wife can realize her soap opera fantasies, every business dismantled by a sexual harassment lawsuit, every man tossed in prison at public expense, and every productive job replaced by a woman pushing paper at a government-funded nonprofit is a material loss for women in aggregate. Because we no longer have significant excess wealth, women are going to have to pay for each feminist victory with a decline in their wealth and standard of living. It may not be entirely obvious yet, but it will be soon enough, and at that point we will see a rise in anti-feminism amongst women themselves.

At this point, feminists can demand all they want that the world and reality follow their command and conform to their wishes. They can proclaim eternal victory and shout their power and omnipotence into the wind. For our part, we men can take a step back and watch, knowing that no matter how much they wish it and order it to happen, the tide won’t stop, and just like old king Canute they’ll end up with nothing more than wet feet.

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WOW December 23, 2010 at 15:43

Outstanding Bill!

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J. Durden December 23, 2010 at 15:48

Good stuff. I know calls to action aren’t the most popular thing around these parts, but I feel like I should be doing more than just writing and reading. I’m trying to figure out how to go about setting up a non-profit organization targeted at young boys that can help give them real world skills for tomorrow’s economy. It’s a bit of a long range plan, but as they say, children are the future.

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Anti Idiocy December 23, 2010 at 15:53

Fine essay, William. Thanks.

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Observer December 23, 2010 at 15:58

I hope you’re right, WFP. There’s obviously alot of infrastructure that has to be torn down and rebuilt. A light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully.

As long as you have the nanny-state, as long as you have VAWA, as long as you have a “man-cession”, you will have the fruits of feminism. Hard to see it being turned around in our lifetime anyway.

To me, the movement isn’t dead, it’s just lazy. It doesn’t have to prove itself anymore. Society has normalized it.

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Herbal Essence December 23, 2010 at 15:59

Knowing the Ruling Class’s love of “Creative Destruction” I keep hoping they’re going to suddenly pull the pedestal out from under Feminism and profit from the fallout.

A man’s gotta have dreams…

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post-modern devil December 23, 2010 at 16:06

Instead, we are facing a struggle that will require some tough decisions if we want to maintain anything like our current lifestyle.

Well we can obviously forget about any significant focus on more important issues. Our politicians are either overwhelmingly corrupt, pathetic trilobites in the case of the men or overwhelmingly stupid and short-sided in case of the women.

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Carnivore December 23, 2010 at 16:07

EXCELLENT!!!!

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Nextlevel December 23, 2010 at 16:13

You never see writing this well done on any feminist site ive ever been on.

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Deep Insider December 23, 2010 at 16:19

Excellent essay!! You could say much the same thing about the myth of “racial equality,” which for decades has caused untold misery, suffering, and death in Western countries.

The naive belief that different races and cultures can live peacefully side by side with no friction whatsoever or with easily manageable conflict, is a fantasy we can no longer afford now that the good times are over.

There are signs, I think, that like feminism, the modern ideologies of racial egalitarianism, mass immigrationism, and the Multi-Kult have started to decline.

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Herbal Essence December 23, 2010 at 16:25

Deep Insider- I actually like working and living in multicultural environments but I agree with you. Both Europe and the US are showing the strain you’re talking about.

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Rant Casey - BR December 23, 2010 at 16:27

You’re probably right, Mr Price.

This article is somehow a synthesis of your last articles, one year back from now.

All of us could see where you were getting at, but you managed to make it more than clear on your own words.

Very interesting, indeed.

I am an avid observer of american feminism, and even though USA and Brazil have very diferent societies, some parallels can be done with precision.

First thing that comes to mind is the “coincidences”:

America has VAWA. Brazil has “Maria da Penha Law”, our equivalent, with restraining orders, and the triple penalty for violence when it comes to women. I already know of lawyears counseling the fabrication of false allegations in order to get the upper hand in divorces.

By the way, we have No Fault Divorce too.

Girls here are 60% of College Students as well. Less because of funding, and more because of familiy traditions: male sons are put to work, and study if they can. But now, girls have theyr school paid, because the parents perceive them as disavantaged. Diferent causes, with the same pernicious effect.

Credit is always a problem in Brazil, due to rigid fiscal control of Government’s money – because of the International Monetary Found basically. But we do have (small) funding programs for women’s business.

Marriages are growing, but divorces are growing even faster. And the fertility rate is falling.

In the “marriage sector”, in Brazil we have an even more bizarre situation.

First, in here the concept that would be analog to anglo-saxon “common law marriage” (Stable Union and Concubinate is what we call it here) is expanding into absurd. You dont have to cohabitate to be considered “in a situation analog to marriage”, wich entitles women to a share of your assets and alimony. I’ve known of cases of valentines that, after mere months of relationship, ended up obliged by court to compensate girlfriends.

The key concept in Brazil is whether the woman can prove that you had a “stable union that resembles a family arrangement”. Financial dependence counts, and “having talked about marital engagement” counts even more. Its crazy. Its insane, perverse, depraved, and utterly obscene. But its a reality in here.

The second most bizarre fact about marriage in Brazil is that recently, a new law is being aproved, that entitles MISTRESSES and LOVERS (out of wedlock partners) to alimony and asset division.

Now, think of it for a second: supose you have a mistress. Your wife will have her righteous part of your income and assets shared with her. And the most bizarre scenario of all: if your wife has a lover and he actions the law, SHE will have to pay him the same way. And YOUR assets (the ones that belong to the marriage) will be shared.

Of course, if she cannot pay herself, you are co-responsable, because you are married to her. You will pay for her treason, so to say.

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In at least three points, Brazil have a positive diference in comparsion to the situation faced by American Men.

1) Shared Custody is the default arrangement in case of divorce. And Parental Alienation is penalized (its recent, but its in current legal exercise).

2) Alimony is not for life. The judge will stipulate a term, and for this term, you will pay alimony. During this time the woman will have to figure out a way to suport herself, and put her plan into practice.

3) You can get rid of parental obligations if you can prove you were imputed fatherhood under fraud. A Court required DNA test can do the job. (although some groups are trying to advance the notion of “Socio-Affective Fatherhood, wich basically means: you paid until now, you keep paying…the kids love ya).

But Child Support is problematic here as well.

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The most basic diferences being mentioned, I can’t really tell wich ones have it worse: Brazilian or American Men.

I supose I still prefer being a Brazilian man, because of the child custody law, and the alimony law.

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Keep your efforts, Mr Price.

You’re help is reaching overseas, and we’re most thankful for your insight.

Best Regards,

Rant Casey – Brazil.

P.S.: pardon for the poor english. I’m self taught, so I never really learned the correct rules of english grammar.

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Gx1080 December 23, 2010 at 16:27

All the Leftist myths will have to face reality in this decade.

May we live in interesting times.

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Deep Insider December 23, 2010 at 16:29

Herbal Essence- I too like the occasional Indian take-out or French film, but I do not want to live in a country where my people (race) are an oppressed minority, where our history and culture are spit upon, where we are forced to kow-tow to the sensitivities of alien immigrants who act like conquerors, and where my children are taught to despite the color of their own skin.

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KARMA MRA MGTOW December 23, 2010 at 16:50

Nextlevel December 23, 2010 at 16:13

Same goes for the mainstream media. :)

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Twenty December 23, 2010 at 16:50

@J. Durden

I’m trying to figure out how to go about setting up a non-profit organization targeted at young boys that can help give them real world skills for tomorrow’s economy. It’s a bit of a long range plan, but as they say, children are the future.

A noble and worthwhile endeavor. Our feminized education system fails boys terribly; in my view they need an environment in which they can do something, in addition to yap about it, and a curriculum built around results, rather than feelings.

For instance: I think the IT revolution, and the ever-falling cost of building web- and app-based software (that can have an impact in the real world) is a boon to boys. Code won’t be to every boy’s taste, of course, but I think it would be eagerly taken up by some.

Leaving boys in the hands of a co-ed (i.e., girl-centered) educational system is a disaster for our society and a disservice to our boys.

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TFH December 23, 2010 at 16:51

and they will have even less in another ten years.

Remember that the Misandry Bubble will have ended by 2020….

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Herbal Essence December 23, 2010 at 17:02

Once Feminism collapses, women around the US may have another option besides sleeping in the rotten bed they’ve made. The Onion: Oprah Invites Hundreds of Fans to Be Buried With Her

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W.F. Price December 23, 2010 at 17:07

Once Feminism collapses, women around the US may have another option besides sleeping in the rotten bed they’ve made. The Onion: Oprah Invites Hundreds of Fans to Be Buried With Her

-Herbal Essence

Geez, what’s she going to do? Erect a pyramid?

Oh, it’s The Onion… lol

greyghost December 23, 2010 at 17:22

One more thing i noticed to go along with the theme of the article. Women now days are not are capable as the old “leave it to beaver” women were. The modern women today brag about how great they are but it is all show. Seems like the “oppressed” women of the past were tougher and could just handle things better. Women were always teachers but the schools today stink and the amount of money spent on education is unbelievable.

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Jake Turner December 23, 2010 at 17:41

I think your thesis is intriguing. One thing though is that feminism was originally made possible by what are now quite primitive technologies – vacuum cleaners, modern ovens, central heating, washing machines – which allowed housework to be completed in a short period of time and freed up lots of hours in the day for women to work. As long as this tech continues to exist (i.e. as long as we don’t revert back to pre-50s living standards, which would be an entirely new economic phenomenon) I don’t see how the gender order reverts back to the pre-sexual revolution status quo. But yes if civilisation crumbles I imagine older patterns will re-assert themselves.

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duke December 23, 2010 at 17:46

Feminism is much like communism circa 1980.It looked strong from the outside but since its basic premise was built on a lie its days were numbered.I’m sure that in the near future the only feminists,like communists,will be on university faculties.

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Anti Idiocy December 23, 2010 at 17:57

There are signs, I think, that like feminism, the modern ideologies of racial egalitarianism, mass immigrationism, and the Multi-Kult have started to decline.

Seems to me the problem is multi-kult, not multi-color.

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Keyster December 23, 2010 at 18:11

Epic piece Welmer!
It’s a failed experiment. First they were discriminated against in schools and jobs, then it was their delicate self-esteem that needed coddling. Neither was ever really true, but they were given the benefit of the doubt hoping they’d either prove they were equal or shut up. We’re entering the grand “shut up” phase. The “Neandrathal Chauvanist Pigs” that originally spoke out against feminism were right all along. They’re women. They’re not as good in the man’s world of doing, and pretending they were has gotten us into a world of trouble.

Who really failed feminism? The average woman who, as it turns out, was not all that interested in being a man. Many tried and found it sucked having to work, while fretting over the ticking biological clock of potential motherhood; the most fulfilling thing a woman can do.

Many still chase the independent/empowered lifestyle, the only difference is that they’re just now starting to see through the snake oil their mothers were sold and not blame men quite as much. You can’t under estimate the reach of the internet. Finally, voices of reason are being heard past the main stream feminist firewall!

Because on the internet no one can hear you scream, (at a blogger’s objective criticism of your facist anti-men movement).

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greenlander December 23, 2010 at 18:46

Great writing, Welmer. Keep up the great work on this site.

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3DShooter December 23, 2010 at 18:47

@Welmer

Good article . . .

In any discussion there’s always the danger of allowing the arguments and line of thought to stray ever farther from the reality of any given situation — the facts on the ground so to speak. This is especially the case where politics are involved, because making a moral case takes on such importance, as opposed to, say, engineering, where the goal is to make things work in the physical world.

It has been awhile, so I cannot provide the cite offhand but my recollection is that at one time it was proposed that the enactment of ‘law’ be subject to the rigors of the ‘scientific method’. That is that the effects of any law must be measured and it’s worth be demonstrated in ways that can be substantiated. Unfortunately, the effort failed and we have ‘the law’ as it is today . . . an errant, pandering, patronage establishment.

I think it is especially difficult for engineers, and engineering minded thinkers (mathematicians, scientists, philosophers) to come to grips with ‘the law’ in general and even more so with respect to family law. The logical disconnects are rampant to the point that one who thinks in logical terms simply has to throw up their hands in disbelief. ‘The law’ and logic are beasts of a different color.

Perhaps it is a result of democracy — one wins an election not so much by obtaining results in the real world, but by making the most fantastic promises for tomorrow.

Democracy’s always fail, they have throughout history. That is why amerika was founded as a democratic REPUBLIC with limited voting rights. The founders were right in limiting voting but quite wrong that in doing so would curb the largess that dooms all governments. Ours is no different – it is just in it’s death throws. May it die a quick and painless death (for us proles anyway).

Everything that lives eventually dies. Let us hope that when this failed experiment ultimately dies something better will emerge.

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Malestrom December 23, 2010 at 18:51

I’m going to come on out and say I think this is the finest piece you’ve written to date, it eloquently and succinctly sums up the core of the argument concerning the future of feminism that I’ve attempted to explain many times to many people, though in a far more jumbled and verbose manner.

There is one tiny matter on which i disagree with you however, when you say:

Because we no longer have significant excess wealth, women are going to have to pay for each feminist victory with a decline in their wealth and standard of living. It may not be entirely obvious yet, but it will be soon enough, and at that point we will see a rise in anti-feminism amongst women themselves.

This will not happen. Ever. Oh, of course women’s living standards will decline as wasteful feminism consumes society’s limited resources, but women themselves will never attribute the loss to feminism. It will always be because men aren’t doing something that we are, for some as yet unexplained reason, supposed to do. I say this both because this has already happened to a great extent, women’s lives are worse than before feminism already, and because that isn’t what happens with social trends like this, historically. Consider that very early feminists were essentially complaining of boredom, ”we’re bored, we’re bored, It’s such a bore having all our needs takem care of while our husbands work to enable our sloth, we want careers”, and all that jazz. Do they still complain about boredom? No, the fruits of feminism are a host of other, more pressing, problems. It has worsened their lives and given them a lot more to complain about besides boredom. Do they see this? No, they do not, it’s all men’s fault that their lives are demonstrably worse, nothing to do with feminism.

Also, this happens with other things besides feminism, certain social trends cannot be fixed from within, they simply destroy the host society. It has been remarked upon by many historians that often when a once great civilization aproaches collapse you actually get more infighting, not less. When the Byzantines were losing their empire to the Turks, the various political factions did not put aside their differences in the name of patriotism or even self preservation and fight the common foe, the opposite happened, their enmity became even more bitter. As society becomes poorer and women’s lives worsen, they will become more vicious and more feminist, they will fight us for the scraps with even greater hatred and fervor. I just don’t think feminism is one of those self correcting social diseases, it’s one of the fatal death-spiral ones.

Make no mistake, funding for feminism will never be withdrawn willingly, everything else will be sacrificed first to maintain the parasite and then, and only then, will it die, after it has consumed everything else.

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3DShooter December 23, 2010 at 18:55

should have been ‘Constitutional REPUBLIC’ in the above. Not only too quick on the submit button but not paying attention to the article open – because I read all TS articles. My bad . . . mea culpa

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Jonathan Mann December 23, 2010 at 18:58

In my opinion: Totalitarianism is to Politics, as Feminism is to Academics.

Why keep either of them around to plague the human race?

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ReaderLon December 23, 2010 at 19:19

Well written!

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Voice December 23, 2010 at 19:27

To be honest, I think this has already begun.

Over the last couple of months in the UK we’ve had to cut back on public sector work (women’s jobs) and propose plans to slash finacial support for humanities and social sciences (women’s education) so we can build up the private sector and STEM subjects to deal with the nation’s crippling debt.

We’re currently seeing the highest rate of female unemployment since the 80s. Meanwhile the number of men entering employment has lead to an overall decrease in unemployment (32,000+ women loosing jobs vs 40,000+ men gaining jobs).

Pretty funny when you consider some were calling 2010 “The Year of the Woman”

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demirogue December 23, 2010 at 19:29

A result of feminism. A single mother who doesn’t have custody of her son that works at a convenience store who’s mother died when she was young, a step father who is a drunk and a biological father that lost his job and is nibbling away on his 401K in Michigan. A customer stepped on her glasses and broke them and she also told me that she has no one to share Christmas and no one to even exchange presents with.

I’ve known her for a while as I’ve been going there on my way home and she’s a cool chick but with lots of issues obviously. So I did something on the fly and bought her a $5 lottery scratch off for Christmas and left. I hope she wins something.

Fuck you feminism.

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Aharon December 23, 2010 at 19:39

A very impressive piece of writing.

This was among my favorite lines:
“At its core, feminism is about nothing more than resource distribution from men to women, and after a certain point such redistribution causes a breakdown of the mechanisms that keep an economy functional.”
— I think that concept can be applied beyond economics to society, political stability, etc.

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DyingWhite December 23, 2010 at 20:15

Anti-Idiocy wrote:

“Seems to me the problem is multi-kult, not multi-color.”

That’s simply putting one’s head in the sand in an effort to tow the politically correct line of egalitarianism. Beyond cultural differences, there very likely are racial differences as well which are to a degree probably responsible for those cultural differences. Everything from I.Q.s to hormonal levels would indicate there are group differences. In fact, behavioral geneticists have recently discovered the MAOA-L gene which accounts for violent behavior, for example, and it’s distribution definitely varies racially. Google “warrior gene” if you’re interested in more research.

Unless white men pick their balls up off of the ground and stick up for themselves in their own countries, they’ll go the way of the dodo bird. PC rhetoric espousing cultural but avoiding racial topics makes whites look weak and only encourages the brazenness of those promoting the multi-cult agenda. Time to counter the anti-white genocidal propaganda which promotes race replacement in white countries, and white countries only. If Japan can be Japanese, China Chinese, Mexico Mexican, etc., then Euro countries should also remain Euro nation states, IF they’ve got the guts to stand up for themselves and are willing to assert themselves. Anyone deflecting attention from mutli-race to multi-cult is either wittingly or unwittingly promoting the cause of white racial genocide at this stage in the game. Plain and simple.

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W.F. Price December 23, 2010 at 20:29

That’s simply putting one’s head in the sand in an effort to tow the politically correct line of egalitarianism. Beyond cultural differences, there very likely are racial differences as well which are to a degree probably responsible for those cultural differences. Everything from I.Q.s to hormonal levels would indicate there are group differences. In fact, behavioral geneticists have recently discovered the MAOA-L gene which accounts for violent behavior, for example, and it’s distribution definitely varies racially. Google “warrior gene” if you’re interested in more research.

-Dying White

Sure, racial differences exist, but they aren’t as big as sex differences.

Also, I’ve never seen such a bunch of woman-worshipping white knights like white nationalists — trust me, they’ll sell out a “brother” for a crack at some pussy in a heartbeat. Races and ethnicities have their dignity and deserve to exist, but if white guys’ only concern is pedestalizing their Aryan “maidens” then screw ‘em — it’s a failed race. Of course, I don’t believe this to be the case, but pull your heads out of your asses, guys.

The nerve of people thinking that it’s black or Jewish men’s fault that their own women can’t behave themselves… What a crock of shit. Are we white guys men, or are we a bunch of crying babies grasping for some tit?

3DShooter December 23, 2010 at 20:42

@Welmer

The nerve of people thinking that it’s black or Jewish men’s fault that their own women can’t behave themselves… What a crock of shit. Are we white guys men, or are we a bunch of crying babies grasping for some tit?

I agree with the sentiment I believe you intended. The only thing that matters is we are all ‘guys’ – the superficiality that might be used to divide us are irrelevant.

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dubcik December 23, 2010 at 20:50

Great article, I’ll forward it to many people.

On a related note, I read an article today about the growing number of “womens hospitals” in Canada (where we are supposed to have a system with equal access for all). The feminists have now genderized the medical system, and are touting medicine must be segregated into genders, as each gender has different issues. True enough, but they dodn’t seem to notice that there are no “mens hospitals” sprouting up. The comments were refreshing though. One feminist arguing about why they are needed, and the rest men and women saying “what the F? If gender and health is an issue, why are they only concerned with one gender?”. And in the comments section there were great stats on the true health of men in relation to women. It seems more and more feminist programs are getting called out for what they are, sexist.

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W.F. Price December 23, 2010 at 20:54

@Welmer

The nerve of people thinking that it’s black or Jewish men’s fault that their own women can’t behave themselves… What a crock of shit. Are we white guys men, or are we a bunch of crying babies grasping for some tit?

I agree with the sentiment I believe you intended. The only thing that matters is we are all ‘guys’ – the superficiality that might be used to divide us are irrelevant.

-3DShooter

I’m not ready to elaborate quite yet, but this is personal for me. And it’s entirely internal, i.e. I am entirely white and the people I’m thinking of are just as white as me. Blacks, Jews, Asians — they had nothing to do with some of the absolutely shameful behavior I’ve seen some “proud European Americans” engage in.

Clean house amongst your own first. Glass houses and all that.

DyingWhite December 23, 2010 at 20:55

I agree with the sentiment I believe you intended. The only thing that matters is we are all ‘guys’ – the superficiality that might be used to divide us are irrelevant.

There is nothing at all superficial about race. Current demographic patterns being what they are, unless” white men” actually start to behave like real “Men” very soon (and not the oxymoron which the phrase “white men” currently is) and asserting their own group interests like every other group does, they and their past achievements die with them. If you’re implying that in a post- feminist world multi-racial societies would be viable, I think you’re sadly mistaken.

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Beltain December 23, 2010 at 21:02

Great article. Too bad I got in way to late to join the discussion as there are plenty of excellent opinions posted as well.

Will make some good pre-holiday reading.

Merry Christmas all!!!

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TFH December 23, 2010 at 22:03

I’ll second the fact that anyone who thinks racial differences are anywhere near as significant as gender differences, has little real-world experience of either type.

Game works when a man applies it to women. Whatever racial combo the two people are (with only minor differences handicapping the guy is he is from a less marketable race).

Black men are more productive in the workplace than white women. I’d like to see any wussy white nationalist argue otherwise.

Men of all races have written great articles about misandry. A few women write good articles too, but in general, the race of male writers has not mattered at all on the subject of anti-misandric articles.

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Seamus the Classicist December 23, 2010 at 22:41

Usually in a society that has reached its’ zenith of development is when the liberation of Women happens (unless it is conquered from outside.) Thsi happened in Rome, because of the same factors: heavy importation of labor and goods created a leasurie type lifestyle (“luxuria” means “lust”) which freed up the matrons of Roman Society to engage their time as they saw fit. I need not go into detail other than to recomend Juvenal (again) and Catullus’ invectives.

As such we have reached that point.

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evilwhitemalempire December 24, 2010 at 01:07

WFP

Also, I’ve never seen such a bunch of woman-worshipping white knights like white nationalists — trust me, they’ll sell out a “brother” for a crack at some pussy in a heartbeat.

Perhaps you have put your finger on the problem right there.
Feminism got started with white folks did it not?
Racial differences exist alright. Compare the attitudes of white men toward their women with those of black men to theirs.

DyingWhite

unless” white men” actually start to behave like real “Men” very soon

But which race has the real men in it and which race has the whiteknights?

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Opus December 24, 2010 at 01:47

I blame John Stuart Mill. His essay on The Subjection of Women, is, actually nowhere near as radical as is popularily supposed, but he naively suggested that we know what women can do, but do not know what they cannot. He thought we should find out. I am sure any of his contemporaries could have told him, this was not a sensible experiment, however, we now have had fifty or a hundred years of feminism, and the result, now in, is exactly what we suspected. They are not as bright, not as strong, or as creative as men; have little sense ofHonesty or Justice and are entitlement Princesses who constantly complain. You just know, that eventually when one hundred percent of the women have one hundred percent of the wealth, (which is what they seek) they will still be unhappy and guess who will be to blame!! Yes you guessed it, the men .

When you have an American Secrettary of State suggesting, as I understand that Mrs Clinton recently did, that Feminism was a National Security Issue, then you know you are moving into lala land, and that reality cannot be long away in kicking-in. The sad thing about it is, that, the present generation of women in the west are certainly no happier than their grandmothers and only seem able to demonstrate that their ability begins and ends at drinking and whoring.

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mgtow December 24, 2010 at 02:11

The sad thing about it is, that, the present generation of women in the west are certainly no happier than their grandmothers and only seem able to demonstrate that their ability begins and ends at drinking and whoring.

And? Is this a problem? Is it even a ‘sad thing’?

I am a man, and a woman’s problems and predicaments are none of my concern. There is no reason to feel sorry for them, or waste your time and effort thinking of ways to ‘rescue’ them.

And as for the whoring part… it just mean that there is more tail for the rest of us. May they raise their daughters to be sluts too. Gotta start them young.

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Binxton December 24, 2010 at 02:19

Voice December 23, 2010 at 19:27

To be honest, I think this has already begun.

Over the last couple of months in the UK we’ve had to cut back on public sector work (women’s jobs) and propose plans to slash finacial support for humanities and social sciences (women’s education) so we can build up the private sector and STEM subjects to deal with the nation’s crippling debt.

We’re currently seeing the highest rate of female unemployment since the 80s. Meanwhile the number of men entering employment has lead to an overall decrease in unemployment (32,000+ women loosing jobs vs 40,000+ men gaining jobs).

Pretty funny when you consider some were calling 2010 “The Year of the Woman”

It’s a bit hard to tell right now what the beneficial effects are until this all plays out more fully. What we know is that much of Europe (and soon, the US) is facing a similar crisis over rising government deficits and debt levels that are impossible to sustain without cutbacks on public services, raising the retirement age, or dipping into pension funds to pay off creditors.

Unfortunately, we will not likely hear from the mainstream press how much of this was brought on by decades of feminism, which has led to plummeting birth rates across all of Europe, leading to an ever shrinking labor and tax base that will be taxed even further to support an increasingly elderly population.

Borrowing from future generations to pay off present debt will have grave consequences extending far beyond the economics. It will extend to the survival of western civilization itself.

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Binxton December 24, 2010 at 02:38

Twenty December 23, 2010 at 16:50

Leaving boys in the hands of a co-ed (i.e., girl-centered) educational system is a disaster for our society and a disservice to our boys.

Putting aside the question of whether US education is institutionally flawed, co-education is yet another example of how society loosened controls on its women, for the rather silly, short-sighted purpose of allowing them to maximize their choices and freedoms.

Welmer is quite right that the result has been a massive waste as millions of women obtain worthless degrees from colleges/universities that — from the standpoint of a society’s long term health and viability — never really should have admitted them in the first place.

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Opus December 24, 2010 at 02:59

The problem with Feminism is that it is a belief system and like all belief systems, relies on the metaphysical fanaticism of its devotees, who when one makes the slightest criticism of their system turn into raving banshees. Most women do not care one way or the otherfor the tenets of feminism but nevertheless get caught up in it.

I was reminded of this two nights ago. I was talking to a married woman of my acquaintance. She and her husband have two children: she was saying that as soon as she fell pregnant she knew that it was the best thing that ever happened to her. I know however that she resisted motherhood for a long while and it required her husband to ‘lay down the law’ and tell her ‘what he expected’ before she agreed to try for pregnancy. Most men however would not be or dare to be that strong. If her Husband had not forced himself, in that way she would now be menopausal and miserable – and doubtless blaming her husband.

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Traveller December 24, 2010 at 03:12

This article about feminism can be considered valid if we change feminism to communism.

The failed experiment is the Keynesianism, the goverment intervention fanaticism, the state-solves-all mentalisy. Unfortunately, there will be forever people wanting to do it. Failed people, stupid people, people without consideration for the others’ work and money. Like women.

I do not know if the politicians are so stupid to wanting a tide stops. I guess they are just giving people the promises people want. Politicians know that for getting easy votes (ie females, and minorities) they must promise the Moon, and if this will be at expense of men, women just do not care.

So, I think you are too soft with feminism here. This social experiment is going well for the feminist. The destruction of the Western world is desired by women, because they see it as a patriarchal structure.

True, this is a damage for women too, but in the best case they do not care or they do not understand, in the worst case they are happy like an arsonist putting fire to a forest. I already wrote a comment comparing women to cancer cells: they cannot win because as they devour the host, the host will die along with them – they just can not get it, it is not in their nature.

Asking women to criticize feminism is like asking communists criticize state. They will always blame people will not pay enough taxes or such.

I do not find particulartly happy expression when you wrote less boys with high education is not a real problem, yes I think it is, only boys will be serious engineers and scientists. Few women can do it, too few to support a modern world. And anyway, preventing boys to attain some sort of instruction, is reducing their life wellness expectancy, even if they will not enter in history books.

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Philip December 24, 2010 at 03:51

Men of all races are much the same when given similar upbringing and opportunity’s IMO. Iv worked with many a skilled black engineer, welder, fabricator, Machinist and the only clear difference iv seen is they are less reserved than us whites.
I know this maybe controversial, but i have read that black people back in the bad old days of slavery were breed like cattle, this could explain the odd behavior some racist assholes observe.

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Andrew December 24, 2010 at 04:20

Herbal Essence- I too like the occasional Indian take-out or French film, but I do not want to live in a country where my people (race) are an oppressed minority, where our history and culture are spit upon, where we are forced to kow-tow to the sensitivities of alien immigrants who act like conquerors, and where my children are taught to despite the color of their own skin. – Deep Insider

Huge projection and highly ridiculous…and yet another excellent article hijacked by the ‘race’ issue. Hand on heart do you really believe ALL of that?

As W.F. Price intimated, do we as white men even have the ability to admit faults or be critical of ourselves anymore?…as every other introspective human does?
I know we do…but if not we will be a laughing stock to the world; already we’re not taken seriously because of this perceived obsession with ‘race’ that the MRM has…(of course those that think that white men are the ‘pinnacle’ of civilisation and don’t have to answer to anyone won’t care about that).
In regards to race issues the historical documentary evidence (written by whites) is incontrovertible concerning the treatment of some people of colour (and fellow white folk). We were resource poor, land poor, went traipsing and took what we want.
Yes, all races have expanded in the past blah…so why can’t some of us admit that our ancestors did the same to the detriment of others which had lasting effects in the modern era?…plain as the day.
We’re quite happy to reclaim our ancestors when they do something ‘positive’.

Said it before…guys, decide now whether you want to have strong outstanding men of colour as allies in this great endeavour of combating ‘feminism’, look how much awareness has grown this year…or whether you want another year of… hijacking threads with the issue making us appear petty and insecure.

Men of colour, decide how long you are willing to put up with the racial insults and slights on your character you will encounter here and whether you feel it’s better to organise on your own.

I’m not asking white preservationists to care about the ‘other’, we know you don’t like ‘em…we’re just asking you to be logical and consistent without the prevarication…why?…because this site is gaining ground and being watched by many now…academics and laymen alike…all sorts popping up on here…and I want us to have some legitimacy, some…gravitas…sheesh…

Back on topic…excellent article Welmer, the hard work of this man…
:)

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 24, 2010 at 04:25

J. Durden December 23, 2010 at 15:48
“but I feel like I should be doing more than just writing and reading.”

You could educate yourself on the remedy and then provide a service to men to do the same for them. Men are now asking me to help them escape this system. I do not have the time and they don’t have the money to afford my time even if I did. So I have just agreed to pass that work to a man who is an abused Father. I hope he makes some money out of doing so.
You might also choose to serve on juries to provide remedy for crimes against fathers. THAT is the single most important thing a man can do to end feminism. Sit on juries to issue remedy instructions when a father has been the victim of a crime causing him injury, harm or loss. I am most disappointed at how gutless men are in refusing to serve on such juries.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 24, 2010 at 04:29

Welmer,
your writing is getting better and better. My hat is off to you. Well done. This piece too I will be putting on my best ever Spearhead articles. Somehow or other it would be nice to see a page with a rated list of the articles considered the best by us readers. The site is a little hard to dig around for the older articles. They are no less relevant just for the passage of a year or so. Some rating mechanism for the article and a page to float the best rated articles to the top would be a great pointer to young men discovering spearhead for the first time. Just a suggestion.

“What we need to remind ourselves is that feminism as envisioned by most of its supporters is at best an unfeasible plan. At worst, it is an impossible effort.”

Welmer, this is very important to say. Feminism is a deliberate lie but most don’t realise that. Most men are still too stupid and think that it is a ‘well intentioned mistake’. It’s not.

Take the claim of desire for ‘equality’ for example. The PTB are attempting to impose ‘equality’. Well? The only way that can be done is to impose the ‘lowest common denominator’ on everyone. Anyone ‘above’ the lowest common denomintor can be denounced as ‘not equal and standing against equality’. Kevin Rudd, in ‘his’ paper of Jan 2009 stated that he supported ‘interventionist government’ to ‘reduce the inequalities in society’. What he meant was ‘imposed poverty to make everyone equally poor’ but most men are too stupid to realise that is what Rudd really meant. It is quite deliberate.

There is also the rather overlooked fact that men and women are NOT equal. That men and men are NOT equal. And that women and women are NOT equal. Tiger and Roger are better at golf and tennis than me. Hell, Martina Navratilova would wipe the tennis court with my sagging corpse! I am not the equal of these people in their fields of endeavour. Neither are they in mine.

Men (and women) would do well to denounce feminism as a DELIBERATE LIE and would do well to bang the drum that people are NOT EQUAL and that is PERFECTLY OK.

“Higher education has been successfully promoted for girls, and now we have millions of young women wasting several productive years obtaining useless degrees that give them little more than a sense of entitlement.”

Good point. My Mum left school the day she was 14, just exactly the same as my Dad. Yet, she turned out three boys who went on to be leaders in their fields of endeavour. She didn’t need a ‘degree’ to be the best mother any man ever had. She needed common sense. And common sense is completely absent from most western women now. It is NOT absent in eastern women by the way.

“because it suggests two scenarios for the end of feminism: the first, and more favorable one being a conscious political choice”

Feminism can be effectively ignored by any man who chooses to educate himself and then defend his rights in collaboration with a small group of men sworn to do so. Today? Men suffer the effects of feminism voluntarily. If they would only educate and then defend themselves? They would be done with feminism. Just like I am done with feminism. I am all but immune from the effects of feminism.

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Beltain December 24, 2010 at 04:51

Feminism has used the race card so much that whether you are a White Nationalist or not in many ways you cannot be for Men’s Rights without also championing White men in particular.

The women’s movement has allied with each and every minority and special interest group they could while holding the White male as their common enemy. They did this because whether that ally was a skin color, minority religion (in the West), or zebra striped polar bear activist group the results were always more beneficial for the white female feminist as a whole than any other group.

The feminist have promoted cultural diversity and inter racial relationships as part of their propaganda campaign against White males. This is why feminist do not for instance as a group condemn or speak out against say burhkas, multiple muslim/Somalian wives or South American dictators. Sure some feminist individuals do speak out but as a group they know in the end they gain more by acting as an ally with those groups against the “Old white guys” then they do the other way around.

The feminist media glorifies inter-racial relationships and vilifies white males as a matter of course. Look at the recent home security commercials from broadview. Each bad guy was a white male, each victim a white female and the company operator was a mixed or lighter skinned black guy. Every male abuser is portrayed as a white male (regardless of actual racial statistics) in the media while every serial drama on E! or Oxygen has a female “lead” that visibly moistens everytime the black or mixed race character looks at her. Mixed race female porn to help the feminist agenda by lessening the status of White Males.

Sadly because the feminist have tied their agenda so firmly to all these other minority interests it is almost impossible to fight feminism without crossing a line and being branded a racist. Yet that does not mean you ARE a racist it is just another tool feminism uses against the MRM.

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LushFun December 24, 2010 at 05:06

Was thinking along these lines but slightly differently at the outcome. My synthesis is still up and coming on the issue, perhaps less life experience on my end to boot.

The outcome is very tricky because of human nature where we try to get the last possible inch in our favor and that triggers the inevitable crashing back to nature to a clusterfuk where random creative destruction and people competing for influence actually eek out their own influence.

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Andrew December 24, 2010 at 05:15

“I too like the occasional Indian take-out or French film, but I do not want to live in a country where my people (race) are an oppressed minority, where our history and culture are spit upon, where we are forced to kow-tow to the sensitivities of alien immigrants who act like conquerors, and where my children are taught to despite the color of their own skin”. – Deep Insider

Huge projection and highly ridiculous…hand on heart do you really believe ALL of that?
Yet another excellent article hijacked by the ‘race’ issue, of which we now have to address…again.
As W.F.Price intimated, can we as white men be critical of ourselves at all without ‘blaming the other’, or prevaricating?…as we expect other introspective humans to do?
I think we can, but if not we will be a laughing stock to the world (of course those with white racial sensitivities won’t care about how they’re perceived).
Said it before…guys, decide whether you want outstanding strong men of colour as allies in this battle againist feminism, and can engage with them in a functional way or whether you want another year of obsessing about race making us all look petty, insecure and weak.
Men of colour, decide whether you want to put up with another year of racial insults and slights to your character that you will encounter here…and whether you feel it’s better to organise on your own.

The MRM is ever growing in awareness, leaps and bounds this year alone, many people are watching this site now and I want us to continue to be perceived as having legitimacy and growing gravitas.

Back on topic…excellent article Welmer…the hard work of this man this year…
:)

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Epoche* December 24, 2010 at 05:15

I blame John Stuart Mill. His essay on The Subjection of Women, is, actually nowhere near as radical as is popularily supposed, but he naively suggested that we know what women can do, but do not know what they cannot.
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John Stuart Mill lived in a time when there was no large scale capital accumulation, I doubt that many women would have wanted to work the labor intensive jobs that were available back then. In the push button world men created it is easily forgotten that many men worked themselves to an early grave to support their families in thankless jobs, but this is not the equality that women are interested in.

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MikkoAP December 24, 2010 at 05:17

From a finnish perspective: The US has two great media channels

For news : The Onion

For social commentary : South Park :D :D

BTW finnish MSM is crap too.

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MikkoAP December 24, 2010 at 05:22

And yes, i know The Onion isn’t “real” in case you wondered (because i’m finnish.) In the www age the humor is understood world over.

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Opus December 24, 2010 at 06:08

Beltain gets it spot on. Feminists are not just anti-male, but also anti-white and anti-hetero. Don’t believe me? Read for example Undoing Gender by Judith Butler. Her main concern is Gender (that is to say Sex) but that does not prevent her attacking, in passing, (by supporting the opposite) the three groups I mentioned. To show how obnoxious this is, imagine that her targets were women, gay people and say Jews. The book would surely be unpublishable. A pity as she is a bright girl and good on her own topic.

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Nergal December 24, 2010 at 06:10

“Feminism has used the race card so much that whether you are a White Nationalist or not in many ways you cannot be for Men’s Rights without also championing White men in particular.”

I disagree. A rising tide lifts all ships, as they say. The black men know that a group whose goal is to benefit MEN,regardless of race, will ultimately do more for them than a group who wants to “help” them by “reconstructing their masculinity”,for women.

If some people would back off the racial angle, black men would feel more comfortable about joining our ranks, making us a bigger group with a single purpose, to roll back the anti-male effects of feminism. Our goals benefit all men,black men will receive the same opportunities for education and advancement that all other men do. At the same time, due to about 40 years of feminist propaganda in the vein that you mention, being an MRA could become “trendy” from the inclusion of “minorities”,pushing us further into the mainstream and creating a bulkhead against the inevitable onslaught that will come when people do become aware of our presence.

Do you personally want to be solely responsible for holding irrational feminists and their screeching sycophants back from deluging us and obliterating any chance of success every second of every day? I don’t. I welcome every willing black man to the trenches of the gender war to fight beside me for a share of the spoils. We are literally fighting for our lives and the future of Western civilization. Black men have just as much of a stake in that as we do.

Again,I will ask any racists or my-race-first types on both sides to knock the shit off until we can finish the work at hand. Destroying feminism is of paramount importance for the survival of all races.

I don’t care about the race debate. Ending feminism will solve the problems you guys are bitching about anyway. The falling white birthrate isn’t because of miscegenation, it’s because women are retarded enough to believe that George Clooney wants to fuck them for their degree and they can hold out indefinitely for an Alpha male. They don’t understand that men don’t give a shit about their money and success,they think we select mates the exact same way they do, and they refuse to admit any differences between the sexes.

We are the cure for this ignorance.

Even if getting rid of feminism doesn’t solve the race issues, unless disempowering feminists to harm all of us causes a black hole which sucks the known universe into an alternate dimension,there will be plenty of time for race hardliners to duke it out when WE ARE ALL FREE.

Feminism must be destroyed FIRST.

Here are the most pressing reasons:

1. Feminism has already circumvented governmental protections meant to check an encroaching totalitarian government. What the government can do to an innocent man in the name of “women and children” surpasses even what it can do to terrorists.

2.Our list of rights grows shorter every day in any country where feminism has taken hold. The U.N. and most international governing bodies are thoroughly riddled with feminism, they will shortly export it to every country that has not been infected with this nation-killing ideology. I personally believe the idea behind this is to reduce the global population to make us easier to control and to make a grab for resources. Whether or not this is true is irrelevant, it represents a significant danger to all people. Feminism causes declining birthrates everywhere it exists,you’re looking at possible human extinction. This is pretty much indisputable. Look at the figures. They sometimes import illegals to keep the red flags from going up as they’re trying to do here in the U.S. Feminism kills the host society more efficiently than the AIDS virus. AIDS targets the immune system and shuts it down, feminism targets women’s desire to reproduce and shuts it down.

3. It’s already pretty much too late. Most of the damage has already been done. The best thing men can do now is make a valiant stand and “not go quietly into the night”. If they’re going to displace me,kill me, or jail me, they will pay a high price for doing so. We need to let them know who they’re fucking with. If they want a war, we need to respond with something that goes down in history. Right now, passive resistance and nonviolent disobedience will do just fine. Everyone who isn’t on the same game plan they are is a drag on that system. Anyone who can find ways to legally target them and be any more of a drain on their resources is helping our cause immensely.

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Beltain December 24, 2010 at 06:28

Nergal

The problem is, as I pointed out, that almost every aspect that is beneficial to feminist is also beneficial (or at least promoted as being beneficial) to a minority group. Ultimately it is always more beneficial to white, feminist, women of course but still.

Affirmative action, community re-investment, housing legislation, educational funding… Name it.

In order to fight feminism politically you have to take a stand against something that has been promoted as being for minorities and therefore you are branded a racist or hate group.

I agree with your sentiments I just don’t see anyway under the current entitlement portrait to erase feminism without also erasing benefits minorities also feel is their due.

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Aharon December 24, 2010 at 07:26

“The naive belief that different races and cultures can live peacefully side by side with no friction whatsoever or with easily manageable conflict, is a fantasy we can no longer afford now that the good times are over.”
— To respond in the proper context, I am mostly concerned about the introduction of opposing cultural/political values and belief systems than I am about a particular race or group. Recently, even the PC German leader declared that diversity and multiculturalism has been a failure.

“Feminism is much like communism circa 1980.It looked strong from the outside but since its basic premise was built on a lie its days were numbered.”
— we can draw an analogy with the USD/FRN being a fiat based currency system. With $70-120 Trillion in all sorts of debts/promises our currency and financial health and thus our economy are essentially a house of cards too.

“certain social trends cannot be fixed from within, they simply destroy the host society. It has been remarked upon by many historians that often when a once great civilization aproaches collapse you actually get more infighting, not less.”
— very good observations. I suspect that a number of women will get more feminist trying to put even more of a painful burden on us men to try and lessen their pain as society slides further downhill. A number of other men will believe that it is better to partner and be allies with men during the difficult times ahead. Of course behind our backs they will be happy to receive special class benefits for being female.

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Aharon December 24, 2010 at 07:39

A key method of Feminist and the Progressive Politically-Correct is to use Machievelli’s Divide and Conquer strategies. They have sought and largely succeeded in turning men and women against each other and to further alienating white men from other groups of men.

Eventually, our currency will implode as all fiat currencies collapse. It may happen in an environment of hyper inflation and hyper deflation. Without money to operate there is little political power unless conflict is resorted to by those who control Armies and the police. It is possible that those in power may use force to create a true Corporatist State ie a Fascist State (about the same thing) along with maybe a NAU North American Union. Irresponsible manipulation of the monetary system is one way of bringing about a collapse.

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alpha December 24, 2010 at 07:52

Question:
1)Is there a SpearHead Hall Of Fame?

2)If so, can this article be put up there?

3)If not, can one be created and then this article put up there?

Cause, regardless of whether people agree 100%, 50% or less, me suspects all will agree this article belons ina SpearHead Hall of Fame(Hint:Can we HAVE a Hall of Fame???)

P.S.:Can we have a section of articles “for newcomers” or “beginners”???

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demirogue December 24, 2010 at 08:16

Regarding the race issue and feminism. Males that can think for themselves are the enemy no matter the race. The more the races mix, the less certain values are passed on. And many of those values go against Marxism which we all know is the end goal.

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ATF December 24, 2010 at 08:37

In history everybody’s shit stinks. Picking on one nation or one leader is just your biased view from history, if the other side had won you’d be saying something different.

People’s politics are like religion – they are born into them, an accident of history.

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Carnivore December 24, 2010 at 08:42

alpha writes:

1)Is there a SpearHead Hall Of Fame?

I’ll second that. There’s so much good content on this site (this article being one shining example), it’s too bad they aren’t organized for topic browsing. I know Welmer’s got plenty to do, though.

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zed December 24, 2010 at 09:01

I think the tide began to turn about 5 years ago, and it took a little while to start becoming apparent that it had.

In any social movement progress gets measured by certain public events which serve as milestones that indicate progress is being made. For example, WRT the civil rights movement in the US, Brown vs. the Board of Education reflected the moment in time when public policy began to come more in line with the growing trend of private sentiment and attitudes.

Personally, I believe that evidence that the turning point had been passed began to show up in the public consciousness with an event jokingly referred to by MM types as “The Battle of Forbes.” Michael Noer wrote an article titled “Don’t Marry Career Women” which was published on Forbes website. Of course, this violated the 11th commandment of feminists and their White Knight and mangina suckups -“thou shalt NOT say anything bad about ANY woman!” – so it got pulled while one of the Forbes women could spit out a tit-for-tat article titled “Women, don’t marry a lazy man!”

Neither article was anything other than standard lame-stream-media boilerplate – both filled with stereotypes and cliches. What made this different, however, was the reaction of the readership.

Paul Elam used to have a rhetorical question on his Voice For Men website –
“What if they started a gender war, and men showed up?”

Well, in response to Noer’s article, men, breaking with 40 years of habits of sitting silently on their butts while their rights got stripped away from them, actually showed up. Instead of being silenced by the feminists and their White Knight and mangina suckups when they trotted out the tired old lies and personal attacks, men kept at it. They argued, they refuted, they presented evidence, and they told the feminists and their White Knight and mangina suckups to go to hell.

It was a complete rout. In 3-4 days there was not one feminidiot left.

About 3 years before that, the mangina White Knight proprietor of one of the highest profile “men’s sites” had nuked his own forums 3 times in less than 18 months to silence those “uppity men” who dared to speak back to their mistresses. During those 3 years something happened – a lot of average men got fed up! And, they started to do what men had been unwilling to do for the previous 40 years of being pushed farther and farther into a corner – they pushed back.

And that was all it took. Men had lost all the ground they had because they simply laid down and let women walk all over them. And, when a few of them started to resist, the mangina White Knights jumped in with their guns and started beating the resisters into submission.

But, the mangina White Knights were noticeably absent in their traditional enforcer-of-women’s-privilege role at the Forbes forum. Moderators did not delete men’s posts, or enforce “woman friendly” speech codes, or any of the other tactics men had been using to handcuff other men and insure that the playing field was tilted in women’s favor.

And, that is all it takes. Get the mangina White Knights and blue gun thugs to keep their guns out of men’s faces and let men argue with women even up – and men hold their own.

Since then the dam has burst. The number of blogs criticizing feminism and the behavior of contemporary women has exploded. And, the ideas that the MM has been talking about for a long time are starting to show up in Internet comments made by people who never heard of the MM and don’t even know it exists – they just see the same problems we are seeing and have been trying to point out over the resistance of the enforcers of Political Correctness.

Critical mass has been reached. The case of Julian Assange has broken down the door of the Star Chamber where all this travesty of “family and sexual conduct law” has been happening, and exposed the banality of what is called “rayyyyppppe” this days, with all its mundane dripping details.

I have a woman friend in northern Europe who has been following the Assange case. Her take on reading the excruciatingly extensive details of the so-called “intimate encounters” was “There is no way that was rape!”

The sisterhood is fragmenting. Enough women have been hurt badly enough by feminism that they are tired of defending it to their own detriment.

But, now is not the time to kick back and rest on our laurels. Once a tide turns, it still takes a very long time to go back out. When your enemy breaks ranks, that is not the time to declare victory and go home, but rather to step up the pressure. All of the stupid ideas underlying feminidiocy and Political Correctness have to be stomped into the dust – and war trials held and the perpetrators of war crimes punished for those crimes.

Feminism and White Knight-ism need to be made into such dirty words that NO ONE would admit to being one in “polite” company. They need to become the most vile insults possible, and to be called either make the target hang his or her head in utter shame.

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Keyster December 24, 2010 at 09:12

This gets to the scourge of “Identity Politics”.
Women Agenda
Black Agenda
Gay Agenda
…and now we have politicians tripping over themselves to statiate the Hispanic Agenda. Our forefathers would be rolling in their graves as this was not the intention for these United States, (and is what led to Rome’s ultimate downfall). It’s the individual citizen that’s paramount. Or do we create a NAWM, (National Association for White Men)? Imagine the outrage! But then liberals will claim we’re blinded by nationalism and patriotism, at the expense of these identifiable special interest groups.

I suggest Liberty and Tyranny by Mark Levin. It clearly articulates our consitution and the brilliant intentions of our nation’s founders. It’s a powerful and important treatise on America’s Right vs. Left ideology.

Imagine a country with no other group but one, the citizen. Each judged on their individual merits, not associated with anything but love of country first and foremost. While we debate things like gays in the military, the Jihadists are planning their next attack. What a laughing stock we must be to them.

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Poester99 December 24, 2010 at 09:20

@Beltain

I agree with your sentiments I just don’t see anyway under the current entitlement portrait to erase feminism without also erasing benefits minorities also feel is their due.

Minority men and gays are on their side mostly because they don’t hear our side. They are fed “caricatures” of our side showing that we consist of a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthal misogynists, or even worst, cross burning white robes. They (along with 50% of mangina white men) are just being used as pawns or cannon fodder, to be used and discarded, and to help feminists demonstrate their “mainstream” credentials and further obfuscate the primal hate that they are spewing.

It really is counter-productive to throw all these potential allies under the bus.

Someone should draw a cartoon of high ranking “grand” feminists, prancing around a burning big wooden male symbol, in pink sheets with big pink pointy hats. That would be a pretty “straight to the point” comparison.

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Rebel December 24, 2010 at 09:27

@Malestrom
“As society becomes poorer and women’s lives worsen, they will become more vicious and more feminist, they will fight us for the scraps with even greater hatred and fervor. I just don’t think feminism is one of those self correcting social diseases, it’s one of the fatal death-spiral ones.”Of all the options that have been presented on this thread, I think this is the one most likely to happen.

We will have to drink from this chalice until the last drop has dried out.

This may be the price to pay for civilization: a final lump sum payment.
And then, kiss good-bye. That’s how it happened in Rome, Sparta,etc..

A new civ. will be born from the ashes. Life will go on.
And the cycle repeats itself..

As we are nearing the end of this cycle there are great concerns about “mankind’s future”. The problem is: no one knows the future and it might as well.

The dice have been cast. Now we shall see how they fall.

Interesting.

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Keyster December 24, 2010 at 09:30

@Zed
What “tipped” my scale several years ago was that response from a young stock broker to a personal ad from a woman who was looking for a man that makes more than $250K per year and that she would agree to keep his home and hearth if he married her. His little diatribe over her being a depreciating asset, put in succinct investment banking terms, was classic. It reverberated throughout the corporate world, filled with pissed off men.

It went absolutely viral when he or someone did a “send to all” in response. I think it was Morgan Stanley that held an internal investigation into the matter at the request of, you guessed it, feminists…under the broad “sexual harrasement in the work place” clause.

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Poester99 December 24, 2010 at 09:42

@Poester99

Someone should draw a cartoon of high ranking “grand” feminists, prancing around a burning big wooden male symbol, in pink sheets with big pink pointy hats. That would be a pretty “straight to the point” comparison.

I would do it, but I couldn’t draw to save my life. And yes, I am talking to myself.

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Robert December 24, 2010 at 09:42

Aharon December 24, 2010 at 07:39
“A key method of Feminist and the Progressive Politically-Correct is to use Machievelli’s Divide and Conquer strategies. They have sought and largely succeeded in turning men and women against each other and to further alienating white men from other groups of men.”

and vice versa

I agree with this.

If one seriously thought about it, feminism created/used chaos/confusion to divide and conquer people.

Can anyone guess what color my skin is? It should be irrelevant as it cannot do anything but simply be seen. It cannot comminicate or perform any action.

I propose WE ALL get back to the business of resisting feminism and bringing it to an end.

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Robert December 24, 2010 at 09:52

One might be surprised at the growing number of people I have shown the evils of feminism and how they have turned against it.

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Anti Idiocy December 24, 2010 at 09:52

Yes, feminists are anti-white male. That is because the group of men that had the most power in western societies, when the plague of feminism broke out again in the ’60s, happened to be white. The feminists knew they would be most effective if they joined forces with non-whites in a joint attack on white men.

But the others were fooled. White women were not less privileged than white men. They had different roles, but those roles were no more onerous or burdensome than those of white men. Black people, for instance, had legitimate claims to victim-status. White women did not.

But the attack on white men was a tactical move, and a very effective one at that. The real target of feminist hatred is males. By reinforcing the division and antagonism between men of different races, white racialist MRMs play into the hands of the feminists.

Men of all races need to form an alliance to defend ourselves from the assault by feminists and the government. As others have pointed out above, there are differences between races, but they are tiny compared to the natural differences between males and females.

Our personalities and proclivities are a result of both nature and nurture. Differences between races are largely a result of nurture; differences between the sexes are natural and based in our chromosomes. Natural differences might be overcome through enormous effort; differences due to upbringing can be overcome by saying to hell with them. We would do well to say “To hell with that.” In fact, we would do well to ally with all true victims of discrimination to break their alliance with feminists, who are to a large extent overgrown, spoiled children.

Again, by reinforcing the social divide between white men and other men, and for that matter between gays and straights, we would play into the hands of feminists.

On a related note (full disclosure), I’m a whitey, and for about as long as I can remember, since I was a little boy who began to notice females in that special way, I have had a serious thang for Oriental females.

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PeterTheGreat December 24, 2010 at 09:58

The success of feminism has required the high civilization developed by Western man with its high technology, easy living, excess time, and excess wealth.

Feminists can claim do be able to do “anything that a man can do” only so long as the technology works. If it breaks they have to find a man to fix it, to keep it running. Otherwise they are up the creek.

Feminism ultimately is a self-delusion fostered by the ease of the high technology that men have developed. As it becomes more expensive, lest trustworthy, and otherwise problematic women will come more and more face to face with reality. And the reality is that women cannot compete with men on an even playing field without even such things as power-steering in driving cars and trucks.

They will become even less able as they are thrown out of work and cannot pay for mechanical slaves or human ones to fix their junk.

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Anti Idiocy December 24, 2010 at 10:08

All of the stupid ideas underlying feminidiocy and Political Correctness have to be stomped into the dust – and war trials held and the perpetrators of war crimes punished for those crimes.

Exactly. For justice to be served, the leading feminists must be punished.

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CorkyAgain December 24, 2010 at 11:20

One thing though is that feminism was originally made possible by what are now quite primitive technologies – vacuum cleaners, modern ovens, central heating, washing machines – which allowed housework to be completed in a short period of time and freed up lots of hours in the day for women to work. As long as this tech continues to exist (i.e. as long as we don’t revert back to pre-50s living standards, which would be an entirely new economic phenomenon) I don’t see how the gender order reverts back to the pre-sexual revolution status quo.

Things wear out and eventually need to be replaced. What happens when there’s no longer a sufficient manufacturing base to keep the feminists supplied with their labor-saving devices?

Note, by the way, that is women who are the biggest consumers in our consumer economy. It is also women who are the biggest followers of fashion — which is nothing more than deliberate, accelerated obsolescence of the goods previously obtained. Fashion-followers don’t wait for things to wear out; they discard them long before the end of the thing’s natural lifetime. This too will have to change as the manufacturing base continues to wither under the strain of the leftist/feminist utopian program.

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fondueguy December 24, 2010 at 11:39

I think your thesis is intriguing. One thing though is that feminism was originally made possible by what are now quite primitive technologies –vacuum cleaners, modern ovens, central heating, washing machines –which allowed housework to be completed in a short period of time and freed up lots of hours in the day for women to work. As long as this tech continues to exist (i.e. as long as we don’t revert back to pre-50s living standards, which would be an entirely new economic phenomenon) I don’t see how the gender order reverts back to the pre-sexual revolution status quo. But yes if civilisation crumbles I imagine older patterns will re-assert themselves. – Jake Turner

I like your analysis : P. I would just make one correction and that is once women did start to get free time from housework being made easy they they took that time. They did dumb interest things, formed little groups with other women, worried about the possibility of cancer, etc… I don’t think they went straight to work. Even alot if the work they did nice part time jobs. In other countries the women do actual work like “putting women to work in materially productive occupations” and not paper pushing. Do you think those spoiled women, who didn’t have to work and got more choice than men, actually kniew what work is. Even today how often do you hear of housewives complain about how harddddd their work is and how unappreciated their sacrifices are. Never mind that for a long time now housework has been school. Just consider the additions of oven, grocery store, fridge, washing machines, and public school.

So ya, I agree with you; there’s no going back.

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fondueguy December 24, 2010 at 11:42

Correction:

Housework has been a joke

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fondueguy December 24, 2010 at 12:01

@ DyingWhite December 23, 2010 at 20:15

You don’t need to argue preservation (immigration laws) on the basis of race, in many instances I think you can do in the basis of preserving your culture, especially in a democracy. For example, some politicians think immigrant workers are a good solution to some economic problems but others argue that the state should solve the problem via better educatiom for their children to fill those important jobs and claim it is the more moral decision.

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Rebel December 24, 2010 at 12:12

@Zed
“Feminism and White Knight-ism need to be made into such dirty words that NO ONE would admit to being one in “polite” company. They need to become the most vile insults possible, and to be called either make the target hang his or her head in utter shame.”

Without their White Knights in shining armor, feminists don’t have much ammo to defend themselves with.
One of the things we should try to accomplish is to “deconstruct” as many White knights as possible.
When those manginas will be with their backs against the wall, they will stop defending women, the barrier that stands between us and the womynzz will collapse. THEN the real fight will begin.

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Simon December 24, 2010 at 12:27

Minority men and gays are on their side mostly because they don’t hear our side. They are fed “caricatures” of our side showing that we consist of a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthal misogynists, or even worst, cross burning white robes. They (along with 50% of mangina white men) are just being used as pawns or cannon fodder, to be used and discarded, and to help feminists demonstrate their “mainstream” credentials and further obfuscate the primal hate that they are spewing.

As a “minority” male. It’s hard to come to sites like this where I agree with the premise and then read a bunch of racial shit in the comments. Just as you never owned slaves, I never did anything to you. You can’t have it both ways, you can’t claim innocence and demogauge others races. I could just as easily say, this is your chickens coming home to roost for what the white man has done to the other men of the world. That would be an unfair assessment. Let’s be fair.

Like my favorite sci fi author said, we are all decedents of people who did terrible things to survive. None of us are innocent. Are some men better than others? Yes. Should all men have equal rights? Yes. That should be the end of the race crap. Let water find it’s own level, but let’s not build dams.

We have bigger fish to fry, but how can I join with those who hate me? I would see myself as having two enemies and not one judging by the comments here. So white women and their feminist horde hates me for being male and and non feminist white men hate me for being black? Feminism has ruined the black community but with no allies, all we can do is go ghost and leave all of your behind. I will work in your companies, I will play the game. But I will not marry any woman in this country. I will screw them and leave them. I will save my money. I will invest in my own businesses. I will pass my assets on to my male heirs in my family. I will teach the men in my family the truth about women. I will not join your men’s right movement, but I will read and learn from you. Because you do not want me as an ally. That is the message I get from some of you here.

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Demosthenes XXI December 24, 2010 at 13:06

First off, excellent article; well written and to the point.

Now, to respond to some of the fellows like “Dying White” and others who share his sentiment.

Feminism has not been a friend to the African American male. In fact, we were it’s first victims here in the US. The feminists told our women that they didn’t need us and subsequently destroyed our families. Oprah’s early career was spent on her talk show tearing apart African American families and demonizing African American men.

Anyone remember that movie “Waiting to Exhale?” Do you know what we called that movie; “Waiting to Catch Hell.” We called it that because nearly every African American woman who went to see that movie came back and began tearing into their husbands, boyfriends, and male children. And now we have Tyler Perry; a sexually ambiguous former hobo who is now prancing around in drag, selling “colorist shinola,” and telling our women that dark-skinned African American men are evil and some light-skinned feminist-friendly Casanova will come in and save them from the evil dark-skinned man.

Look at the educational landscape; our numbers are proportionally worse than yours. In the 70 and early 80s, we had reversed the negative trends that racial politics had placed upon us. We were graduating in record numbers and taking our place beside you White men in industry, helping this country become the leading producers in the world. We were right there next to you working in industry, science, and technology.

And then feminism got started on us. Now look at us today. More of our young men are not even graduating high school, not to mention going to college. Half of our young men can’t even pull their pants up, not to mention pulling up a GPA.

All you see now are hip hop thugs and wannabe gangstas who run around in our communities. The young men who demonstrate any sort of intellectual savvy are emasculated more by the young women than by the other young men. These young fatherless bastards are running the streets out of control simply because the only people who are telling them how to be men are the women.

Furthermore, our women themselves are promoting the whole thug culture environment simply to create an endless body of men who’ll give them that old “gina tingle” and they’ve emasculated our intellectual stock, impoverished our economic backbone, and devastated our moral sense to do it. At one time, men like Bill Cosby and Dick Gregory were our icons. Men of distinction and education were looked up to as heroes. Now we have 50 Cent and P-Diddy; what the fuck is that nonsense?

My fellow men, look at our communities, media, and youth ; our present is your future. Your White women did this to us and they are doing it to you as we speak. We were the test bed; the feminists tried their theories on us and now they are enacting them on you.

Consider yourselves warned.

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WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot December 24, 2010 at 13:27

Understand peak oil and you will understand the transient and artificial nature of modern life, including modern gender politics.

What happens to 26 year old femiskanks and their Director of Diversity jobs when cheap oil is over, and the shelves are bare? They’ll probably join a gang lord’s harem at the drop of a hat, and “female empowerment” will rest in peace. I hope I live to see it. Of course, we drones will probably be unceremoniously starved or be killed by that point.

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Anti Idiocy December 24, 2010 at 13:36

Damn, Demosthenes XXI, I wish I could give your post 10 thumbs up.

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Traveller December 24, 2010 at 13:52

Demosthenes XXI December 24, 2010 at 13:06

“Your White women did this to us and they are doing it to you as we speak”

You were doing well, until this phrase.

Your white women? Your?

No, as a white man I do not accept that BS anymore. Exactly as I do not accept being robbed and killed by black gangs “because my ancestors were slave owners” (not considering this is another big BS).

So, if my ancestors were so stupid to give women the right to vote, I am not responsible.

You post teach me a lesson: there can be a truce between white man and black man, but peace? I do not know.

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Anti Idiocy December 24, 2010 at 15:22

I have to agree, Traveller. That “your white women” is a bit weird to say the least. I have no doubt that peace between the races is possible, but we are a long way from it.

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fondueguy December 24, 2010 at 15:59

@traveller

White women via Feminism did fuck men over, white and black. Furthermore they sold us white men out as the historic oppressors calling themselves victims and trying appropriate every other victim under their cause. The idea that they would even compare not being able to work and “having” raising kids with all those resources and privileges to… slavery, WTF. I believe Demosthenes XXI when he talks about how much Feminism hurt blacks. Despite all that PC stuff about helping all the “oppressed” when it comes to black men I really just think its a front. Feminists have alot of influence on those help out the underprivileged programs and I don’t see them helping black men. Also vawa is just gender based. Maybe someone could help me with this but wasn’t someone trying to make an all male back (who do the worst academically) school like in the 90′s but then the feminists protested it and it got shut down… Yet not too much later you have an all girls school with no feminist protest. Its funny no matter the situation feminists seem to think women are the victims, so all men will always be shortchanged. By feminist thought women were historic SLAVES like blacks…girls can have schools tailored to them but not back boys at the bottom of the totem pole, and the true victims of false rape accusations (those women tend to target black men) are women… All this just goes to show the lies of Feminism and how they hurt all men. I think we are a bit too intertwined with the black men in our relation to Feminism to only a have a “truce”.

As a white man who do you think is most likely going to take your job, get you arrested, get a degree over you or devalue the one you already have, divorce you, take your kids, etc… based on bullshit baised laws?!?

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Epoche* December 24, 2010 at 16:06

Welmer,
I think you are being naive in thinking the tide has turned. If you want to know how far the progressives will take things, look no further than Canada where freedom of speech is abrogated. Try saying something against women or gays or any group other than white males and they will not hesitate to threaten you with the long arm of the law in the great white north. They will stop at nothing short of the annihilation of every form of freedom guaranteed by our Anglo-American tradition, in fact the only thing that I feel as though will stop feminism is an outside threat of some sort. I wont say that all women hate beta-providers because I dont believe that to be the case, but women in power most certainly do or because women are not married and see no reason for limited government.

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CorkyAgain December 24, 2010 at 16:12

I don’t think we should dismiss what Demosthenes XXI said just because of one remark that wasn’t essential to the point he was making.

Some people are so obsessed with race that it blinds them to everything else.

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Anti Idiocy December 24, 2010 at 16:25

@CorkyAgain

I don’t think we should dismiss what Demosthenes XXI said just because of one remark that wasn’t essential to the point he was making.

I agree. It’s worth taking note of such things, if we are to work together. But it isn’t a reason for rejecting the overall thesis of his comment.

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David K. Meller December 24, 2010 at 17:38

Some very well considered observations, but I think that a lot of work toward REPLACING the clearly pathological feminist/green/corporatist New World Order with something better is necessary and desirable. Even if, and when, feminuttery collapses, it will be helpful to people–both to men along with the women who can love us–and whom are worthy of being the nurturers of the new generation, if there are workable and useful alternatives available. Revolutions are rarely replaced spontaneously and naturally with improvements, and indeed, many are the retrogressions that follow the failure of badly thought out revolutionary manias.

I certainly assume and hope that these alternatives will contain hard won knowledge of the ill effects of feminism, green eco-nuttery run amok, “noble savage” third-world supremacy antiwhite fanaticism, and similar idiocy, and be able to protect the society from the aftermath of XX century fantasies!

Experience, they say, is a harsh teacher! She gives the examinations first, and the instruction afterward. We, and our children, have very bitter experiences to learn from.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K.Meller

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Höllenhund December 24, 2010 at 18:21

Malestrom nailed it.

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Jay Hammers December 24, 2010 at 21:59

Your White women did this to us and they are doing it to you as we speak.

In all actuality, women did this.

Black and white women are the same creatures and behave the same way in the same situations.

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Demosthenes XXI December 24, 2010 at 22:45

I only used the “your white women” comment to address Dying White’s attitude in regards to tying racial issues to what feminism is doing to all men. I have little patience for such divisiveness, especially when everyone’s livelihoods hang in the balance.

I agree with Jayhammers that nearly all women got on board with feminism’s hype. But there is something that a lot of people miss. Mainstream feminism has marginalized non-white women as well as trans-women. The only women who have truly benefited from feminism are white women. Despite what Oprah may identify herself as, she has “official white woman status” in the US. For proof of that, look, at how the “so-called feminists” are treating Michelle Obama. This woman is the wife of the first president to fully and actively endorse a feminist agenda, and yet the white feminists have treated her like crap.

The only time that they all come together is to tear down some man. Again, the Assange case is evidence of that. What we need to do is find a way to allow their natural tendencies to start them tearing themselves apart.

Nevertheless gentlemen…here is the fact. Men of all colors have to work together to save ourselves. Indian men are going through their own kind of feminist hell, just as men of all ethnic backgrounds are in the Western countries.

To paraphrase an old saying; we men need to hang together or we’ll hang separately.

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Joe December 25, 2010 at 04:09

One of the problems with multi-culturalism is that it’s very hard for people from a bunch of different cultures to agree on a solution to a social problem. These disagreements may be necessary because different cultures may need different solutions. I tend to think that if cultures are really significantly different then social problems probably need to be addressed separately. If the problems and people are really different then expecting the same solution to be effective for all of them is unrealistic. We all may have the same very basic goal but we may need to go about achieving that goal in different ways. The perils of one group of people deciding what’s best for another group are apparent in Demosthenes’ post.

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MikkoAP December 25, 2010 at 07:34

Demosthenes XXI : “I agree with Jayhammers that nearly all women got on board with feminism’s hype. But there is something that a lot of people miss. Mainstream feminism has marginalized non-white women as well as trans-women. The only women who have truly benefited from feminism are white women.”

That’s a very good point. Though the number one enemy for white feminists has always been white men, there have been plenty of casualties from other groups, male AND female.

In Europe , including my native country Finland, white feminists have been perfectly willing, eager even, to recruit fundamentalist Muslims as allies in their war against white men. They don’t give a s#%! about the horrible mistreatment of women and girls in fundamentalist Muslim societies.

Oh, they’ll make noises about the suffering of women and girls outside the western countries, but only so they can garner sympathy, which they’ll then use to get further entitlements for THEMSELVES!

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Anti Idiocy December 25, 2010 at 09:50

To preach that men of different races can’t bury the hatchets that they’ve used against each other is to play right into the hands of the feminists. People who make such claims are either feminists or very foolish.

To maintain or even increase the divide between men of different races, and between gay and straight men, is to aid feminists in their divide-and-conquer strategy. If your religion maintains that homosexuality is a sin, I’m sure your god/God can sort it out. If your religion maintains that a certain race(s) is superior to another race(s), you might look into other religions.

Somewhat along those lines, Merry Christmas. And I’m not a Christian.

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DyingWhite December 25, 2010 at 11:33

@Demosthenes XXI

I never said I hated anyone, but I do recognize there are differences, and wish to preserve my people who are well on their way to extinction. Why? Do you have a problem with white people wanting to survive? At the beginning of the 20th century, whites were about 1/3 of the world’s population and blacks were only about 10%. Today, those stats are pretty much reversed, and much of the growth of the black population around the world, notwithstanding setbacks like slavery, wars, and disease, has been thanks to the much maligned white man’s medical advances and charitable donations which have made it possible for blacks to proliferate. When they can’t feed or take care of themselves in Africa, they flee to Europe. Today, the black race is the most numerous race in the world. Africa has more than half of the world’s natural resources and some of the world’s best arable land. Whites are the true minority in the world, and you non-whites live with us in all of our countries as minorities even though we’re already a minority. We’ve elected a black man president of the U.S. Is there anything else we can do for you?

You accuse ME of divisiveness, when for the past 50 odd years it’s been White Men who have been the whipping boy for all the evils of the world. It’s white nations, and only white nations that are being flooded with migration as a way of forcing us to atone for real or perceived past sins, and we’re the ones being divisive? You’re lecturing me? When non-whites kick out white colonial oppressors and want to have control over their own lives and destiny, it’s called ethnic self-determination. When whites like myself demand the same, it’s called “Racism”!

According to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, paragraph 2c also defines genocide as “Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” That’s exactly what’s happening to whites when their countries are being flooded with non-whites with high birth rates, and when the media and political leadership applaud this development and encourage miscegenation between the races, and accuse any whites who take issue with it of being racists. GENOCIDE! PURE AND SIMPLE! Feminism was just another virus deliberately ALLOWED to germinate within western society to accelerate its demise

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 25, 2010 at 14:20

zed December 24, 2010 at 09:01
Zed. Brilliant as always. Yep. MEN are well advised to attack and publicly name, shame and humilate the man-hating, white knighting mangina apoplogists in to the dust.
Maybe we should make a global site like this:
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/57/scope/threads/Default.aspx

“Loudmouthed Lyn” and her mangina apologists have 224 views right now!! It was really funny. When I put that post up and sent it back to the manginas they shut up quick smart.

There is nothing so humiliating to a man as to be publicly called less than a man by someone who has the creds of being MANLY. Imagine a site with charactures of Obama and Biden in dresses wearing makeup! LOL!! Which is what they really are, as Arnie names them “girlie men”.

There is a reason why a man being told “you are acting like a woman” is a deeply cutting insult.

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David K. Meller December 25, 2010 at 18:14

Most of the posts here seem to revolve around the question ‘where do we go from here’? I am not an attorney but I think that legislation turning their own perjury against them in divorce, child custody, spousal abuse and other cases may be a good idea.

It is the sheer revulsion that men feel toward rapists, child molesters, wife-beaters etc. that allows, and even encourages, disaffected feminists, and their allies in the media and Prosecutor’s office, to trump up such charges and obtain convictions when there would otherwise certainly be reasonable doubt.

However, it is past time for everybody to admit that if there is one form of life LOWER than rapists, child molesters, etc. it has to be the people (women, and their ‘mangina” allies in the police, courts, and press) who bear and support false witness against INNOCENT men to get their way!

I suggest that women who do this be compelled to (at the very least) serve the sentence that was, or would have been, imposed on the male defendent, and the lawyer prosecuting the case on her behalf also face prison upon conviction of the appropriate Obstruction of Justice and Subornation of Perjury charges!

If this provision could be codified in the statute books, would clearly show honest and upright people of both sexes that there is widespread concern about the shameless abuse of law by feminists and their allies.

It would have little or no effect on the prosecution of such cases which could be PROVEN in a court of law, and men found guilty of such heinous crimes would still be punished to the full extent of the law. However the demand for PROOF, along with legally mandated penalties for false testimony comparible to those suffered by the falsely accuesed would exert a massive deterrence on those vicious harpies (and their advocates in law and the press) whose idea of justice is simply “jail the male”!

In short, expansion of existing perjury and obstruction of justice statutes, and applying them as evenhandedly as possible to Prosecutors as well as plaintiffs, for the reason cited above, would, I think, be a useful step in the right direction. At any rate, we would be no worse off then we are now!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

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ZenCo. December 26, 2010 at 00:56

Simon gets it.
Racism is simply a luxury the MRM can’t afford.
I’m white, but the not-so-latent racism displayed here truly troubles me.
It also adds fuel to feminist/liberal claims of the MRM being just a bunch of angry right-wingers.
Time to grow up guys – We all know men come in all shapes and colors.
This needs to be a big tent.

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Boycott December 26, 2010 at 05:12

BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN

Why American men should boycott American women

http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/

I am an American man, and I have decided to boycott American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?

American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.

BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

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Ragnar December 26, 2010 at 06:39

zed December 24, 2010 at 09:01
Feminism and White Knight-ism need to be made into such dirty words that NO ONE would admit to being one in “polite” company. They need to become the most vile insults possible, and to be called either make the target hang his or her head in utter shame.

Thanks Zed.
Couldn’t agree more.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 26, 2010 at 08:24

David K. Meller December 25, 2010 at 18:14
“Most of the posts here seem to revolve around the question ‘where do we go from here’? ”
David. The courts in the former british empire are ALL corrupt and run under Uniform Commercial Code. They are courts of commerce and control, not of justice. There is no way forward using THEIR courts and THEIR legislation because THEY are a bunch of criminals.

There are movements all over the former british world (including the US) to re-introduce common law courts where the law is the expressed decision of 12 men on a jury. THAT is the way forward. I have done nearly everything I have written in the book except, of course, enter into a new marriage! LOL!!

So far? So good. I was talking to a mate in Ireland for christmas. He tells me he has had 5 summons to the ‘courts’ for some ‘driving offences’ and three for ‘child support’. When the cops come to his door he just tells them “I do not recognise your courts and I have no contract with them or you, go away”. And they do. They haven’t done anything to him for months now. He is very surprised they haven’t tried to put him in jail, which he is perfectly willing to do for the publicity.

There is now a free e-book out to she people how to lawfully stop paying their mortgage. You can get it here: http://www.bankofireland.me

The way forward in former british empire lands is simple. The book written through me. Rescind your consent to be a slave and live life as a free man. If men do not do this? They are selecting to be slaves and they are welcome to it.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 26, 2010 at 08:30

Boycott December 26, 2010 at 05:12

You might also want to see this site.

http://foreignwomenonly.blogspot.com/

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Beltain December 26, 2010 at 11:45

From my view there has been no racism thrown out on these posts.

Feminism has hurt men of all races but the legislation it has managed to get enacted has in point of fact benefited minority men in many cases while benefiting feminist women more.

When minority men see this legislation for the farce it is. Giving women more benefits but using the minority bone as an extra bit of justification. Yes when Black, Hispanic, Asian men come to their senses and stand next to White men to remove racially biased legislation like Affirmative Action, Community reinvestment, Racial quotas in hiring, home loans etc. Then we will make progress but as long as minority men cry racism and wish to keep those programs they are feminism’s ally.

I will welcome any man of any race to stand next to me for true equality but that means setting aside all accusations of racism and racial perks from both sides of the aisle.

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Andrew December 26, 2010 at 12:33

Beltain…same old, same old…you might want to, you know respect the intelligence of men of colour to recognise societal dynamics without having to be instructed by you.
This cry of ‘racism’ you keep imagining is really overstating it. You talk about it more than they do.

Oh what a joy it is to be a man of colour in the US…they really have it so good in society, no one judges them on intelligence or character or uses racial science to question their say…’innate violence levels’ or their very humanity, in fact racism doesn’t exist for them at all…who knew?

White men are the whipping boys?…being whipped by who exactly?…fellow whites of both genders.

Has anyone noticed how similar racism is to feminism?…cannot be reasoned with, not matter how much logic you throw at it…entrenched never changing views, prevarications, justifications, overstating their case, demeaning the other to uplift themselves…
Dying white…did Demosthenes XXI say he had a problem with white self determination…the ‘right to survive?’…NO…you said it for him…overstating your case over and over again.

People of colour are not responsible for the white birth rate!… sheoot.
How about we sort ourselves out?

To all the REAL white men here who are passionate and strongwilled, far from being pushovers…yet who are subtly and intelligently rebutting the more racially fixated of us…all honour and credit go to you…you are our hope…because you have our priorities in the right order.

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DyingWhite December 26, 2010 at 13:44

@Andrew

Dying white…did Demosthenes XXI say he had a problem with white self determination…the ‘right to survive?’…NO…you said it for him…overstating your case over and over again.

Yet, you didn’t have a problem with Demosthenes overstating his case by calling my posts hateful. I can tell you’re objective and consistent.

Has anyone noticed how similar racism is to feminism?…cannot be reasoned with, not matter how much logic you throw at it

I agree, which is why no matter how much information is thrown at people like you about the obvious campaign promoting race-replacement by racist anti-whites in white countries, and in white countries ONLY, all you can respond with is platitudes and wield the “racism” club without offering any substantive counter-arguments.

People of colour are not responsible for the white birth rate!… sheoot.

What’s that you wrote about overstating? Where did I write non-whites are responsible for the white birth rates?

To all the REAL white men here who are passionate and strongwilled, far from being pushovers…yet who are subtly and intelligently rebutting the more racially fixated of us…all honour and credit go to you…you are our hope…because you have our priorities in the right order.

Those priorities being that it’s not the Frankfurt school, or marxist ideologues, or Freudianism, or Boazian anthropological marxist cultural materialist theory that has landed the west in the mire that it’s in, but it’s Feminists, and all the other movements are simply in thrall to Feminists and were spawned by them. Am I to understand that that is how you’re prioritizing our malaise? Feminism the disease, everything else a mere symptom? Uh-huh. Got it.

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Beltain December 26, 2010 at 15:37

So I guess what Andrew is saying is that he wants to fight feminism as long as we leave the minority entitlements intact? I maybe wrong there was kinda hard to find a straight forward point.

Talk about “same ol same ol”

Feminism cannot be attacked head on until all racial and gender biased is confronted.

But go ahead and throw the racism card at me for saying so. That card has pretty much lost it’s meaning anyway.

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ZenCo. December 26, 2010 at 20:39

No Beltrain – he’s stating that the deck is stacked, the time is late, and we (free men) need to help each other stay free.
It really is that simple.
Again, we can all go back to being bigots once the job of eliminating feminism is done. Priorities, baby… Priorities…

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fondueguy December 26, 2010 at 20:53

“So I guess what Andrew is saying is that he wants to fight feminism as long as we leave the minority entitlements intact?”

Black men were slaves once and were trully oppressed (that doesn’t make white unique though). Feminists say women were too. But we know that is bullshit, they were never oppressed and where seen as very valuable.

Now when someone says their weak, but in truth their actually quite powerful , what the fuck do you think will happen when they decide to take everything from you. The answer is they will, and women have. Feminists declared war on men a long time ago and were just catching on, while some men are completely oblivious.

Regardless of what benefits you think black men have you know for a fact their situation isn’t that great as a whole. I still remember about ten years ago when white people where complaining about affirmative action and how some black people were getting a free ride. Very impressive… but what happened when it came to women? What could white men say about their women, nothing? Lets see, women sold them out, cockled them, took their children, took the education system, overtook young men earnings, and ignored every fucking male problem. What is absolutely clear is that we couldn’t handle women, black people aren’t our weak spot.

“Feminism has hurt men of all races but the legislation it has managed to get enacted has in point of fact benefited minority men in many cases while benefiting feminist women more.”

I don’t think that’s true. Feminism never did represent black men and it was just an assertion of the power women already had over men (white). Why not Listen to the black men who say Feminism is bad for them and that they want to dismantle it; sounds like an ally to me.

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W.F. Price December 26, 2010 at 21:12

Feminism never did represent black men and it was just an assertion of the power women already had over men (white).

-Fondueguy

Affirmative action for women was inserted into the Civil Rights Bill as a rider by southern, white segregationist politicians. Look it up.

BTW, I’m a white guy of southern American origin on my paternal side, and have nothing against southern whites, but the truth is the truth. AA for women was deliberately shoved in by white men who were trying to keep blacks from getting as much benefit from it as whites.

For the record, I’m against all forms of AA — whether for minorities or women. I also think black men would be doing better today without AA as it is currently practiced — it’s overwhelmingly black women who benefit from it, and black men have been screwed consistently in every which way since the bill (look at incarceration rates).

ZenCo. December 26, 2010 at 22:17

We have seen the enemy – and the enemy COULD be us. Or, the real enemy could get pimp-handed and given new marching orders.
Up to us.

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Beltain December 27, 2010 at 06:26

BTW, I’m a white guy of southern American origin on my paternal side, and have nothing against southern whites, but the truth is the truth. AA for women was deliberately shoved in by white men who were trying to keep blacks from getting as much benefit from it as whites.

Every beneficial legislation for feminist was shoved through by white men Welmer. The feminist movement infiltrated and hijacked the civil rights movement and has continued to use it to help force minority legislation which benefits women the most.

Maybe black women get huge benefits but they are a small enough group that the white women don’t care. It isn’t about race it is about 50 years of legislation which used the race card to add legitimacy to give a majority group minority status.

All of that legislation must be undone and minority males don’t see it and will continue to fight for keeping it and that makes them an ally of the feminist. As a block they vote for the feminist agenda every election. The numbers don’t lie.

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Anonymous December 27, 2010 at 16:10

@Belrain

“As a block they vote for the feminist agenda every election. The numbers don’t lie.”

Ah, so all we have to do to stop feminism is vote Republican is it? Interesting historical revisionism you have there. Both the major parties in the US have been thoroughly infiltrated by feminism for decades, they merely express it in different ways.

Claiming that putting an R next to your representative’s name will help men is as disingenuous as a feminist claiming to give a !@#$ about minorities.

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Beltain December 27, 2010 at 19:02

Well Mr. Anon I never said anything about an (R) or a (D) but jumping to your conclusion of (R) says alot.

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Joe December 28, 2010 at 15:27

“The nerve of people thinking that it’s black or Jewish men’s fault that their own women can’t behave themselves… What a crock of shit. Are we white guys men, or are we a bunch of crying babies grasping for some tit?”

If someone believes that feminism, marxism, etc. are toxic ideologies they will most likely want to challenge these ideologies with both buyers and sellers. The buyers are average feminists and marxists and most of the primary sellers of these ideologies are jews, or so it appears. It makes perfect sense to criticize jews for peddling this nonsense but this doesn’t mean that garden variety buyers aren’t guilty as well. It’s the same with drugs. The buyer is reviled and the seller even more so. I’ve never seen anyone blame blacks for feminism or marxism. When people criticize blacks it’s for different reasons, these two groups don’t belong together. You are making a strawman argument and using shaming language.

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David K. Meller December 29, 2010 at 12:04

Dear Peter Andrew-Nolan,

Thank you for your post regarding “common law” law courts as possible replacements, and a substitute for the thoroughly corrupt–indeed criminal–State-created and State-funded “courts” characteristic of what remains of the Anglo-Saxon legal “system”.

I really doubt that the Constabulary and Prosecutors will just “go away” if I–or any other USSA state subject–told them that I “don’t recognise their authority”, and given that they are even more gun happy here than in the UK, such a response on my part would provoke immediate risk to my life and property! Furthermore, the state of public opinion in New York city would almost certainly, at this time, be IN FAVOR OF the Criminal “justice-system”, and against ME!

The websites, blogs, and e-books educating people to an alternative, especially as this current system collapses, is very important and you are to be welcomed in your mentioning some of them. I also think, as I said, that the FIJA.org, of the Fully Informed Jury Association, is worth looking at. Even if a jury verdict is set aside by the courts (Judges MAY do this, according to the “law”) the resultant publicity would highlight the sheer corruption of these unlawful entities, especially if they are tied into some issues like those in the Spearhead such as divorce, custody, or property settlement, that such a miscarriage of justice might indeed advance our cause.

I think, however, that a considerable amount of “consciousness raising”–to borrow an old feminist term–among men, and the women who love us, is necessary before a critical mass of people is reached being aware of your alternatives, and the (long overdue) repudiation of those legal dinosaurs becomes possible.

Meanwhile, over in Ireland, keep up the good work! Peter, Please give my best wishes and encouragements to your friends there, and remind him that the sooner that Ireland becomes free, the better for all of us!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

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Observer December 30, 2010 at 03:27

Racism/Racialism is what happens when you have too much insecurity, too little self worth, and just the right amount of ignorance.

You build on people, they build on you. Take what works and use it. A sense of entitlement due to one’s ethnicity is only a setup for failure. It’s also an indication that there’s nothing else in one’s life to be proud of.

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David K. Meller December 30, 2010 at 16:38

I had the pleasure of reading the latest edition of foreignwomenonly.blogspot.com. It is one great website! The one reservation that I entertain is that feminism is a worldwide disease. Its symptoms may be more advanced in the USA than in other countries, and also at least some of the “feminazi” mentality, both among womyn and their “mangina” lapdogs, undoubtedly comes out of American advertising, American military occupation, American “educational” institutions, etc. but women of other countries are also badly infected!

Speaking as an American, I get an impression that, in fact, Canadian and European women are, as a group, even more beholden to feminism than men are. This may be attributed to the fact that schools, media, and public policy is even further “leftist” than in the USA, it may be uncritical imitation of what used to be “the American way of life” or it may simply be symptomatic of the mindless conformity and dependence characteristic of human females generally. I know very few foreign women personally, so my comments here are necessarily impressionistic and subjective, but there is very little, even on the Spearhead.com, which contradicts my observations expressed above.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

PS–If anyone on the Spearhead.com has something to update or correct my observations here in this post. let me say thank you in advance.However, until then, American women are about as lousy as French, Israeli, Russian, Canadian, British, German, or any other feminazis…DKM

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Demosthenes XXI December 31, 2010 at 02:33

Dying White, I didn’t call your posts hateful. I called them divisive. There is a difference. I see what white men are going through in this country. That’s why I wrote my post the way I did; in fact, my initial post was directed to White men like you. As I closed my post I said that “our present is your future.”

Feminists are working to tear White men apart the way that they tore us apart. They are forcing white men out of their homes and away from their children just as they did in the African American community in the late 70s and early 80s.

How many poor white men are being told that they can’t live in the home with their wife and children because the mother will get more money from the government if there’s no man in the house? That’s what they did to us…that was the lie that the government told us. And once they got the men out of the households, then they gave the women every excuse and reason to keep them out. And that’s what they are doing to you now.

Shit…look at the Maury Povich show; you see as many white couples on there as African American now. Women of both groups on there trying to stick some poor SOB with the bill for being the baby’s daddy or some poor beta wondering if that’s his kid or the thug who gave his wife/fiancee/gf that ‘gina tingle.

White men and African American men have never been as much on the same side of the equation as they are today. I’ve never said that White men are the enemy. But with that being said, it wasn’t our women who invented “feminism, ” now was it? (Sarcasm).

Actually, that’s not quite true. Susan B. Anthony and Cady Stanton,along with Sojourner Truth were all prominent suffragists in the mid 1800s. So, I admit that there was collusion back then. But my issues have never been with First Wave feminism, especially with franchisement. It’s the second and third wave where things get just plain stupid and misandrist (and not always in that order). By the way, feminism and civil rights split in 1869 over the 15th Amendment because it granted voting rights to African American men but not women.

Dying White…you and I shouldn’t be arguing. We should be shaking hands somewhere, throwing back a beer or two, and trying to figure out how to save our children; white and black alike from this cancer…talking about teaching our boys to be stand-up and honorable men and our girls to be righteous and honorable women. All of our children are growing up in this crazy world and being taught to hate (either themselves in the case of the boys or men in the case of the girls) in the name of “equality.” What the hell is that shit!?!?

Only as men united, can we stand together and take back our homes, our children, and our right to be equal under the US flag, but we can’t do that if we’re fighting each other.

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Firepower January 5, 2011 at 11:22

Demosthenes XXI December 24, 2010 at 13:06

Feminism has not been a friend to the African American male. In fact, we were it’s first victims here in the US.

My, such a clever NEW way to play the Minority Victim Card – and you got everyone to approve of it too!

We need more tactics like this, to turn the MRM into the successful, multiculti Rainbow victory march that is our Public School System!

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Puppet King January 7, 2011 at 21:28

Feminism is a cancer that is the root cause of America’s economic collapse and a society and empire in terminal decline. There is no known cure for it. Let me say, Feminism is worse than standing armies, more horrific than violent terrorism and even more dreadful than good men who do nothing.
It will slowly and surely hollow out a society from within until the society falls and crumbles in a sudden collapse. Economic collapse follows and with it goes down the mighty empire.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

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joe April 22, 2011 at 12:56

I gotta weigh in on the race /culture thing here.
Demosthenes XXI is bang on the money.

Take a look at history – whenever a politically powerful class wants to roll out oppressive measures / remove freedoms from an entire population – they always start by attacking a politically weak minority. If they succeed in that oppression, then they broaden its scope.

A great example is the way the power elite have tried and sometimes succeeded to restrict / eliminate lawful firearms ownership.
The 100 year journey from
“any guns you like, with no restrictions”
to
“no handguns, no self-defence, licences, secure cabinets, police inspections, phone calls in the middle of the night” in the UK – was propelled along partly with racist panics. In the UK the very first “licence” – for revolvers – was argued into existence by politicos pushing the “Irish problem”.

In the USA gun control has often been first overtly, and then later covertly racist, you will all be familiar with the term “Saturday Night Special” and efforts to ban such things. How many of you know that term was originally “N******town Saturday Night Special”?? They disarmed black men first, and then they came for the white men’s guns too. I recommend for more info: http://www.jpfo.org

There are 6 times as many people in jail in the USA as the next most jail-happy western nation (mainly cos it funnels tax money to corporate jailors). Almost all are men. The vast majority are black men. A lot of them are there for exactly the kind of BS that is so often railed against on this site. “The War against Drugs”, “Debtor’s Prison” i.e. being too poor to pay court ordered alimony / CS and VAWA. Black men were / are the test-bed for all these things that give the power elite the excuse to control the masses with police-state measures.

Racism is part of the suite of ideas used to control people, it fits snuggly together with feminism and corporate-statism. The power-elite use both racsim and feminism to divide and conquer.

You CAN have a nation where there’s one predominant culture and minority races mix in happily: lots of West Indian immigrants to the UK in the 60s and 70s were more British than the British in their outlook – cricket, God save the Queen, get-a-good-education, be respectable etc. was a big deal for many of those people.

And they were right, because there are / were good values in Western culture: rule of law, presumption of innocence, trial by jury, tolerance, politeness etc.

Yes, too much immigration (every tribe needs a homeland of some sort) and repression of the main CULTURE is bad. In England we don’t have a bank holiday on St George’s, even tho’ Wales, Scotland and Ireland have one on their patron saints day. The official excuse is it would encourage “racism”. Actually, I think the denial of legitimate good feeling about your tribe / culture / nation is MUCH more likely to promote resentful racism. But then the power elite know that, which is why they do it!

I’m third generation mixed race. From UK. Bloodlines Anglo-Saxon / Dane / South African / South Atlantic / East Indies. I look white, but I’m what got called “Octoroon” back in the days of black slavery in the South of the USA. Which is to say I can “pass” as white, but I’d’ve been two generations of white from officially being automatically free.

I am a descendent of all this “miscegenation” that I keep reading men attacking on here! I know my history on my mother’s side back 300 years. And I wouldn’t be here if love hadn’t crossed continents and racial lines. My late Nan (my Granma) who was first generation mixed race from S.Africa was more English in her attitude and cultural attunement than anyone I’ve known in my life. She left her family and her home for the love of an Englishman, to settle in England.

Culture and attitude matters. Race, not really.

Someone said it before in sarcasm, but it’s actually a damn good point – the appalling way black men have been treated by the family court system (debtor’s prison, VAWA) is actually a very strong MRM argument. And white upper middle class feminists are shit out of luck trying to play “oppression Olympics” in response to it.

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M. Simon August 9, 2011 at 07:36

This is directly tied to our status as the world’s policeman — a job Americans are no longer all that enthusiastic about.

A world war (which I expect in the next 5 to 10 years) will correct that and make strong men very desirable.

And why do I expect it? By leaving the World Policeman role other actors will be encouraged. Think power vacuum. Think Europe 1933 to 1940. Followed by the Troubles.

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