Young Men’s Eyes Are Open

by W.F. Price on December 14, 2010

A friend sent me a link to an encouraging article in a college newspaper written a little less than a month ago. In it, guest columnist Derek Devine responds to one of the typical “what happened to chivalry?” pieces we so frequently see. These are usually written by naïve young women who believe in fairytale romances they were watching in their childhood a few years earlier.

Mr. Devine, a student at the University of Portland, suggests that the call for chivalry from women is simply a self-serving desire to have their cake and eat it. Furthermore, he actually mentions the word “misandry” and writes that he is not happy about having to deal with it as much as is the norm.

Last week, a piece was released entitled “where has all the chivalry gone?” I found the majority of the piece to be insulting and presumptuous, even for someone who deals with and reads as much misandry as I do.

Devine gets into the reasons that the modern concept of chivalry is bogus, bringing up many of the points we are familiar with:

As a woman in the 2010′s, I’d challenge Ms. Frazier to ask a guy out if she misses dating so much. These relationships are a two way street, why does it just have to be men expending their physical resources to make the other person involved feel special? Or maybe she’d like to contend that there is a good, not sexist, reason why men should just shower all women everywhere with money and effort, and receive nothing in return.

The way chivalrous conduct was portrayed in Frazier’s article was archaic and completely sexist. The “it doesn’t matter if it’s cheap, as long as you spend money on me” vibe is stomach turning. Saying you miss chivalry is just saying you miss being treated special just because you’re female. Which is fine, just recognize that what you’re saying flips off the last however many years of feminist activism so that you can vote.

Things are definitely changing. Young men are not the blinded fools they were just a couple decades ago. The triumph of feminism has blown away the old hypocrisies and, ironically, left women more on their own than ever. It’s encouraging to see young men’s growing awareness, but it would be even better if young women finally saw what a disaster feminism is turning out to be for them, personally.

I think they will. We may yet see young women cursing the feminists who yanked them out of their homes and away from their children and put them to work in the salt mines of corporate and government bureaucracy.

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greenlander December 14, 2010 at 10:50

The original purpose of chivalry was simply to DHV (display lower value) during times where classes were less mobile. Men will marry down in status, but women will not. So, if you’re a nobleman with significant status, you’d consider marrying a chambermaid if she’s hot and young enough. However, such a woman would probably be intimidated by the mere presence of a man of very high status.

What better way to bridge the status gap than open a door for her, and then once inside, to ask, “Can I take your coat for you?” Well, that’s chivalry. It’s a way for that woman to start to feel comfortable with that man when there is a large status difference.

Holding doors open and taking the coats of western harridans who have taken control of our legal system and oppress men at every turn with politically-correct BS and misandrist laws isn’t chivalry. It’s stupidity.

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Tyrone December 14, 2010 at 10:55

“We may yet see young women cursing the feminists who yanked them out of their homes and away from their children and put them to work in the salt mines of corporate and government bureaucracy. ”

And I will enjoy watching them suffer. I, on the other hand, will be enjoying working part time, and enjoying a comfortable life style alone, without the baggage and extra expenses of some “liberated” woman.

Karma’s a bitch.

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greenlander December 14, 2010 at 10:57

Tyeo…meant “DLV” not “DHV” in that last post…

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Keyster December 14, 2010 at 10:59

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/111695344.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUvDEhiaE3miUsZ

De-programming from such a virulantly successful social engineering campaign takes time. It’s happening slowly, but much faster than it would have been without the internet, where anti-feminism has a voice and growing audience of truth seekers.

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EmanTheDesperateHouseboy December 14, 2010 at 11:02


“…As a woman in the 2010?s, I’d challenge Ms. Frazier to ask a guy out if she misses dating so much. These relationships are a two way street, why does it just have to be men expending their physical resources to make the other person involved feel special? Or maybe she’d like to contend that there is a good, not sexist, reason why men should just shower all women everywhere with money and effort, and receive nothing in return…”

Don’t you just love the brazenness of post-feminist women nowadays? I don’t! They say that they’re equal to men, but they expect to be treated like princess. Yeah right–dream on!

Isn’t a liberated woman being hypocritical every time the act, chivalry comes up???

Serves her right! Tell her/them to pay for their own damn food!

EmanThe DesperateHouseboy

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sestamibi December 14, 2010 at 11:02

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Paradoxotaur December 14, 2010 at 11:07

Chivalry is even being studied at some universities. Here’s a course at Univ. of California, Davis (scroll down, it’s the second one on the list):

http://integratedstudies.ucdavis.edu/current-program/2010-11fall.html

I’d love to see the course materials.

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anontexas December 14, 2010 at 11:11

(sending this again as my connection was cut off when I first tried to post).

Welmer, this is an interesting topic, and I’m glad you took the time to read what one of your friends/readers sent you. However, would you take just one second to look at this post of mine? I’m repeating it here:

“Off topic, but perhaps welmer could cover this in his next article?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338479/YouTube-video-Sudan-shows-woman-flogged-laughing-policemen.html

The above link shows a woman being flogged in a Muslim country. Look at the comments. People (being sheep) wrongly assume just women are punished under sharia law (or whatever system they run over there). They completely miss the point that both men and women are punished for crimes, and by punished, it seems ‘flogged’ is a better term.

Why is it when women are held to the same standards/punishments as men, we only hear about THEIR plight?

And why is when only men are punished (eg: being on the frontline in Iraq), it’s men AND women on the battlefield?

Hopefully a new article analyzing this would be useful, eh?”

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EmanTheDesperateHouseboy December 14, 2010 at 11:13

whoops…sorry about the grammar/e-mail typo…

“…Things are definitely changing. Young men are not the blinded fools they were just a couple decades ago. The triumph of feminism has blown away the old hypocrisies and, ironically, left women more on their own than ever. It’s encouraging to see young men’s growing awareness, but it would be even better if young women finally saw what a disaster feminism is turning out to be for them, personally…”

Frankly speaking, Welmer, you’re 100% right! I often equate feminism to hypocrisy, in a sense that they say to us guys: “don’t objectify women”–yet, they go out and whore themselves for money, do adult films, strip, and ball-bust! Furthermore, when I hear VAWA being drilled into our faces, in return, I see that same feministic woman clubbing me with a frying pan, or worse–cutting off my #$%& and running me over to death with her own car!

I hope these females with turning into the two-faced monsters they’ve evolved into…

EmanTheDesperateHouseboy

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Richard December 14, 2010 at 11:15

I remember when I was in college, most men grumbling at such articles in the school newspaper. I also remember much grumbling at course material that was flagrant male-bashing.

I am glad to see that a young man out there is actually expressing his opinions, and they are NOT being censored.

I’d have to say that college campuses are the best place to start de-programming people – as they seem to be severe incubators for male-hatred.

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TDOM December 14, 2010 at 11:23

Sounds like Ms. Frazier has been watching too much Disney Channel. She seems to think that every little girl can grow up to be a princess.

TDOM

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slwerner December 14, 2010 at 11:25

Good to see that young men are answering back (actually, looking through the “Related Articles”, there are several rebuttals). Their rational stands against even more “special treatment” for women – who are already getting much more of it than they deserve – stands in stark and telling contrast to my own personal least favorite college student (at least I recall him identifying him self as such on one occasion), Jesse Powell, who posts asinine comments on Laura Woods site.

As bit of background, and as a matter of full disclosure, this female pedistalizing mangina (who also posses as a white knight, although I seriously doubt he’d ever have the stones to actually stand up to anyone in any venue), really gets under my skin. And, yet, any time I try to call him out or post any criticism of his comments, Mrs Woods dutifully protects little Jesse by either declining to post my comment or editing out anything that would upset his sensibilities.

Jesse Powell is the ass-clown who thinks so little of other men that he declared his support for men being convicted and imprisoned via false rape charges. He is dead-set against the very idea of a men’s Rights movement, and seeks to shame young men into marrying women – even though he clearly knows seriously the deck is stacked against those men. He sees it as men’s duty to women to give them what ever they want, and to not dare to complain no matter how unjustly they may end up being treated by women.

Although he seems to post comment only on Mrs. Woods site, I get the impression that he reads The Spearhead, so my reason for posting this here, while it does have some relation to the topic at hand, is also to send a message to the twerp that Laura cannot protect him from.

So, getting right to it, Jesse, why not come out from behind Laura’s apron and share your ideas with the big boys over here? [/Personal invective]

That said, I’d like to share with you all the latest in a series of asinine statements that he has made which runs counter to the obviously growing awareness of the fallacy in trying to promote Chivalry (which Jesse has stated he completely believes in):


Jesse Powell ”Speaking as a man, what bothers me the most about the men’s rights movement is that it represents men rejecting their duties and moral responsibilities as men; they attack and undermine what being a man is all about. As a man it is my duty to protect women and to create a functioning order for society overall and men have roles and duties in the overall social order that they are bound to uphold. The MRA, with his blatant disregard for upholding and maintaining the overall order of society, represents a threat to the well being of the community and a danger to precisely the populations that I as a man am bound to serve and protect; women and children.”

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Stoltz December 14, 2010 at 11:26

While his comments were good, I think that would have been an ample time to unload a lot of frustrations men have these days WRT how they are treated by women. There was actually another article on there written in response to the original in which the man had some other good points, but he went a little soft at the end, IMO. Of course, being young they may not have experienced the full brunt of how a feminist-backed government can completely destroy a man.

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Rebel December 14, 2010 at 11:27

Chivalry!

They are still talking about that?

Well, WTF!!!

Young men waking up? Atta boy! It’s about f*cking time!

At least, we may be led to believe that we might be making a difference..

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sharpc December 14, 2010 at 11:33

It’s good to see. However, he does make a mistake here when he panders to PC:

Chivalry, at least the chivalry that benefits women, is rooted heavily is sexual delineation. I hold the door open for you because you are a woman, and I lay my jacket in a puddle for you because you are a woman. The intent isn’t always wrong, it’s just being done solely because you’re female, and is rooted in those old, very wrong, ideas of women being the weaker gender and whatnot.There was never anything “rational” about it, it was just the socially accepted behavior.

Hm, to make a statement like that takes either a ton of cognitive dissonance, or from a fear of retribution for being non-PC. Chivalry was done precisely because females are the weaker sex, not “just because you’re female.” That explains nothing. What is it about females then? In our PC society though, denial of nature, what’s obvious before our eyes, is the norm. His article is confusing because of it, but it’s better than nothing. It’s always good to see young men in college waking up and speaking up.

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Anti Idiocy December 14, 2010 at 11:35

The times they are a changin’. Young men today are definitely being fooled far less by all the anti-male propaganda that baby boomer and gen-x men were duped by. Many a baby boomer woman would screech anti-male diatribes, the other women would accept it in smug silence or at least in silence, and baby boomer men would crawl off to their corners to do pee pee and poo poo in their diapers.

Fortunately, baby boomer women, while in some cases having garnered political and monetary power, have now lost the far deeper and ultimately greater power that comes from the ability to forcefully attract men.

The young men that I meet are waking up at an accelerating rate. As the western economies continue to deteriorate, and most of them seem unable to function without massive increases in already crushing debt — which is finally being cut off, things are going to get interesting.

Extremely hard times in which a large percentage of men see no sense in sacrificing anything to help women… Get me some popcorn.

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alpha December 14, 2010 at 11:37

Jesse Powell is the ass-clown who thinks so little of other men that he declared his support for men being convicted and imprisoned via false rape charges.

He declared his support?
I recommend a lobotomy.
or worse,
a marriage.

Jesse Powell ”Speaking as a man, what bothers me the most about the men’s rights movement is that it represents men rejecting their duties and moral responsibilities as men; they attack and undermine what being a man is all about. As a man it is my duty to protect women and to create a functioning order for society overall and men have roles and duties in the overall social order that they are bound to uphold. The MRA, with his blatant disregard for upholding and maintaining the overall order of society, represents a threat to the well being of the community and a danger to precisely the populations that I as a man am bound to serve and protect; women and children.”

By the 4th word he’s already lying. Scarily, his speech reminds me of Hilarity’s speech. It’s like both are making a speech declaring war(which they are of course, but not openly), and they would make this speech when sending Predator Drones. Just imagine:”The MRA represent clear and present danger yada yada…hence I order blah blah to take all necessary steps.

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sharpc December 14, 2010 at 11:39

Oh, also, chivalry was done because females have a vaj.

weaker sex + vaj = chivalry.

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Coastal December 14, 2010 at 12:01

Men will go back to aspiring to be a Goodly Sir Knight just as soon as women start aspiring to be Fair Maidens again.

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criolle johnny December 14, 2010 at 12:02

“An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!”
Rudyard Kipling
http://quotations.about.com/cs/poemlyrics/a/Tommy.htm

Anything I could add would be foolish ego on my part.

Happy Holidays

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Traveller December 14, 2010 at 12:13

I find really funny read these articles at so small time distance.

First, we read about the mass drugging of very young boys just to keep them quiet in classrooms, transforming them in zombies.

After, the women asking where are the nice guys. Well, they are zombies now.

Can they train a zombi to hold doors open for them? Maybe.

Can they train a zombi to make million dollars so they see him as a nice guy? I doubt.

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Lovekraft December 14, 2010 at 12:18

it is odd that such a word even exists anymore in common usage, since the deconstructionist age has demolished any traditional concepts, replacing them with political correctness.

Ghosting will be an increasingly-used term in the coming years, I am sure of it, in response to the marginalization of men.

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Angelo December 14, 2010 at 12:24

I can’t remember where I heard or read this, maybe it was on this site, but I love it

In order For a man to be a gentleman, there must be a lady present.

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BWB December 14, 2010 at 12:28

Re: link shows a woman being flogged in a Muslim country.

If that’s a typical flogging in Sudan then sign me up any day over getting tasered or getting a night stick up your ass. Those look like love taps compared to what a man would get. The guy was obviously pulling his “punches”. Here’s what Western police do to women. The video is of SF cops slamming a woman’s head onto the street, knocking her out cold. Relevant action is at 1:14. It’s amusing to see all the condemnation in the comments section, and how sane commenters are derated.

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BWB December 14, 2010 at 12:29
Paradoxotaur December 14, 2010 at 12:33

Chivalry is traced to the contact with the Moors in Spain (i.e., chivalry derives from Arabic origins):

“The development of the high medieval notion of chivalry has in part been connected with the Euroepan [sic] contact with the Muslim notion of furusiyya during the crusades. Charles Reginald Haines noted key traits “such as loyalty, courtesy, munificence…are found in eminent degree among the Arabs.” Medieval Spain, which he calls the “cradle of chivalry”, could bear that pre-modern title, due to the direct impact of Arab civilization in Al-Andalus. “Piety, courtesy, prowess in war, the gift of eloquence, the art of poetry, skill on horseback, dexterity with sword, lance, and bow” was expected of the elite Moorish knight.[3] Richard Francis Burton, attributing the origins of chivalry”.[4]” Wikipedia.

Who knew?

Re: Fair Maidens- “Love, in the chivalrous sense, was largely platonic; as a rule, only a virgin or another man’s wife could be the chosen object of chivalrous love.” Columbia Encyc.

So, I guess contemporary dinner w#ores are SOL.

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SingleDad December 14, 2010 at 12:39

I think women will never come around. They are manipulating this whole mess. I read an article linked here or reddit about a woman who is now childless and she blames her belief in feminism.

At the end she says, oh well, I guess I’ll be a feminist after all, we just need to tell the girls to become single mothers early, and I’ll embrace my barren state and adopt.

Even taking away a womans reproductive capacity is not enough to turn them against feminism.

So, the best we can do is help young men open their eyes. But to expect women to change or regret anything is futile.

I think regret is a behavior that is coded for by the Y gene, if you only have 2 X’s you cannot feel regret, or compassion.

I read a poster here saying that we are all one bj from getting re-married, I’m pretty sure those college boys, as all the generations before them, will give up this new found conciousness when given alittle attention from a female that demands his political allegience to her and her feminism.

I do think it’s possible that this sort of conciousness will help these boys will be better prepared for the divorce and this makes it worthwhile.

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Paradoxotaur December 14, 2010 at 12:42

Rudyard Kipling really copped onto the double standards of his day. In addition to Kipling’s insight to how poorly English soldiers (Tommys) were treated in society, until they were needed to fight and die for that society, he also noted the sacrifices of men vis-a-vis the Birkenhead rule (“women and children first”):

‘To stand and be still

to the Birken’ead Drill

is a damn tough bullet to chew’.

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Herbal Essence December 14, 2010 at 12:53

I’d like to think there is a silent majority of “good women” out there who are waking up but I’m afraid it’s just not the case. Even the most innocent woman is still guilty of choosing harmony with the harpies over speaking up fo justice.

As more men wake up, I fully expect women to double down on the arrogance, shaming language, thug-chasing, mad consumerism, and various addictions.

Hillary Clinton’s frightening rhetoric at TED is a pretty clear indication of the next tyrranical stepsFeminism and Statism will take.

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Richard December 14, 2010 at 13:13

@Herbal Essence.

Dang – spot on – again.

You should start a blog bro.

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ConantheContrarian December 14, 2010 at 13:21

Kipling was great. Read the Gods of the Copybook Headings. Feminism is one of the Gods of the Market Place.

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SingleDad December 14, 2010 at 13:21

Things will get much worse and soon. Sorry to say, after decades of watching trends this appears clear to me.

My advice to young men, run Forrest run!

To stay in a country that would talk of doing this to their fellow man is cowardly. I am embarrased to live here.

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TFH December 14, 2010 at 13:29

On January 1, 2011 (exactly 365 days after The Misandry Bubble), I am going to show us how we can stir the hornets next.

It will take just 300 of us putting in a combined total of 1000 man hours to cause asymmetrical damage to misandry.

On January 1, I will show us how. Things will never be the same again.

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Rod December 14, 2010 at 14:23

“Chivalry is even being studied at some universities. Here’s a course at Univ. of California, Davis (scroll down, it’s the second one on the list)”
Actually, the “chivalry” studied in this course is about more than just being deferential to women; it’s the knights’ code of honor, that enjoined him him to fight with courage. (Incidentally, some codes of chivalry viewed the crossbow as unmanly and not “chivalrous.” Firearms, of course, hadn’t been invented yet, but if they had, they would have been “unchivalrous” as well.)

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Avenger December 14, 2010 at 15:02

Things are definitely changing. Young men are not the blinded fools they were just a couple decades ago

That’s complete nonsense. Men today are certainly a lot more pussy whipped and politically correct than they ever were in 1980. Welmer, 30 years ago you were barely conscious of being alive and a lot of the people on here weren’t even born. Your impressions of the past are extremely distorted based on what you believe is normal by today’s standards. It’s almost like a false memory disorder. What you have today is a female dominated police state which actually is quite recent and began in earnest in the 90′s.

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W.F. Price December 14, 2010 at 15:06

That’s complete nonsense. Men today are certainly a lot more pussy whipped and politically correct than they ever were in 1980. Welmer, 30 years ago you were barely conscious of being alive and a lot of the people on here weren’t even born. Your impressions of the past are extremely distorted based on what you believe is normal by today’s standards. It’s almost like a false memory disorder.

-Avenger

lol. I get your point, but actually I’ve noticed a marked change in attitudes amongst young men since I was an adolescent.

What you have today is a female dominated police state which actually is quite recent and began in earnest in the 90?s.

Yes, back then I was still a little white knight. My point is that young men today are far more jaded about women. Probably at least partly because of the police state.

TFH December 14, 2010 at 15:20

I think it is accurate to say that in the past, men could afford to be neither manginas/whiteknights, or men who oppose misandry.

However, things are changing, and men are being forced to decide which side they are on. Men who recognize misandry for what it is will write articles like this one, while manginas/whiteknights are doubling down on their pedestalization.

Look for this divide to get sharper (which is good news, because it means misandry is peaking).

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Jim December 14, 2010 at 16:02

“Men will go back to aspiring to be a Goodly Sir Knight just as soon as women start aspiring to be Fair Maidens again.”

Not a chance. They are going to have to pull their weight from now on. The Princess gig is over.

Paradoxataur, Burton is full of shit. The roots of chivalry in Europe go back to the pagan Celts and it spread into midieval French and German culture by way of the Arthurian legends. There is no sign whatever of it anywhere in any Islamic culture. He’s a an idiot. Does he really think midieval Europeans were going to imitate Muslim culture in an age when they were Crusading against it?

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SingleDad December 14, 2010 at 16:22

@ Avenger

What we have is a developing feminist police apparatus designed and implemented in the country of wimps, Sweden, your country.

Tell us here, what sort of response have you Swedish men devised, surely you must have an advanced approach as the disease is emminating from your location.

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Omnipitron December 14, 2010 at 16:35

That’s complete nonsense. Men today are certainly a lot more pussy whipped and politically correct than they ever were in 1980.

You could indeed be right Avenger that men are indeed taking much more crap now than before. However, I think a change may indeed be brewing. We had the gentleman that W.F. was writing about on August 30th,
who was writing in exasperation that after everything that he and other male techs where doing for women, that it still wasn’t enough. Now we have a man on campus who had finally had it with women’s whining about the lack of chivalry when men are being treated worse than the gum on their shoes.

Did we ever hear about this before? Was any sort of male opinion on cases such as this even tolerated just a few short years ago? Did men even question women and their ethics to the levels that we are seeing now?

Even where I work in Canada, the grumblings are on the rise, men have given women every opportunity to succeed and more, even to the point which men
bind their own hands and it still isn’t enough. Maybe this is the point you refer to when you consider how much more freedom men have given to women over the years, but the die is cast. Now men that men have given so much and women are still clamoring for more, men are beginning to see this equality movement for what it is; simply a power grab which leaves women less options to spin it in their favor.

For every voice which finally says “WTF” more will finally have to wonder what the heck is really going on. Yes it will be slow at first, things always are initially, but it will get faster as time goes on. Yes womyn will double down on Feminism and so will manginas, but as they do, they only show their hands to the growing resentment which is building in men. These articles are simply the first signs of a realization of the situation. In the past, we could almost agree that men weren’t being fair to women, what’s a womyn’s excuse now? What can a feminist say when everyone realizes that ‘equality’ was just a ruse?

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TFH December 14, 2010 at 17:06

For every voice which finally says “WTF” more will finally have to wonder what the heck is really going on. Yes it will be slow at first, things always are initially, but it will get faster as time goes on.

Mark my words, come January 1, I will show us how to speed this process up tenfold. A year from now, the number of men who are aware will be 100X what it is now.

I just need 1000 hours of collective volunteer time from you guys…..

Details on 1/1/2011.

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W.F. Price December 14, 2010 at 17:15

Mark my words, come January 1, I will show us how to speed this process up tenfold. A year from now, the number of men who are aware will be 100X what it is now.

-TFH

Well, you wrote 1000 hrs from 300 guys. Seems reasonable enough to me.

Have to admit, though, it would be nice to have some advance idea of the outline so I can mull it over. Confidentiality is assured, of course, and I suspect even Anonymous would respect that. ;)

TFH December 14, 2010 at 17:22

Welmer – Yes, I’ll send you something in the coming days.

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greyghost December 14, 2010 at 17:37

You could indeed be right Avenger that men are indeed taking much more crap now than before.

Men are taking more crap today because there is more crap to be taken. I remember the early eighties. There was still some freedom then and women were still half ass responsible for themselves. There were also still male teachers. And to be at home with a single mother was still different. People were still nice to women and women said thankyou. The male comedians where popular and known (richard pryer, red fox,eddie murphy), lots of male leads on TV shows that were not jackasses.
Things are different now. Now a days its fuck men,men are dogs ,men are liars,etc etc. We just had an article that shows how the government drugs little boys and pays the mother. Fuck chivalry and if I hear a woman scream out in distress I’ll just smile and enjoy the pleasant sound. I wouldn’t even call the police.

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California Kid December 14, 2010 at 18:02

Yes, but the young women didn’t create this society. It was created by older feminists and manginas.
Many on here want to go back to Marriage 1.0, but how can you do that if you thirst for revenge against young women who didn’t make this world ?
I am man, probably older than most of you. If you want to make a new world, you must include young women in it. Don’t get revenge against young women. Instead, talk to them and convert them. Form an alliance against the older feminists. This is how you can break down the existing order.

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Epoche* December 14, 2010 at 18:02

The young men that I meet are waking up at an accelerating rate. As the western economies continue to deteriorate, and most of them seem unable to function without massive increases in already crushing debt — which is finally being cut off, things are going to get interesting.

Extremely hard times in which a large percentage of men see no sense in sacrificing anything to help women… Get me some popcorn.
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I call this the era of the final shepherding. de Tocqueville stated that in a democracy man “would be reduced to nothing more than a flock of timid and industrious animals of which the government is the shepherd.” For the last 50 years progressive intellectuals have been so successful in their attacks on privilege that it will be obvious that there will be very little social cooperation outside the state or its programs, and people will have so little in their pockets after taxation and inflation that nothing really will seem worthwhile doing. Something as natural as men wanting to be providers for women will be pushed aside eventually IMO, prostitution will be more common.

I personally think that men should advocate that there be no child support whatsoever, lets be damn radical. If the state is going to socialize child rearing they should socialize pussy as well. I dont think removal of all legal duties to children by the father is so radical, at least not any more radical than subsidized daycare.

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Omnipitron December 14, 2010 at 18:10

True enough greyghost, I remember those days myself. I grew up in those years and Feminism was a very alien word to me. As for women in distress, the truth is that in todays current climate, a man could actually be risking his well-being helping a woman if she so chooses. There was a time when I considered coaching my stepdaughter’s soccer team but upon sound consideration, I passed it up.

One wrong move, one wrong thing said, the wrong parent upset and I could wind up in a place I never dreamed of so I forgot it. Same thing with children or young girls walking the street at the wrong times. Lord knows what accusations could spring up so it’s simply safer to keep driving.

Never thought I would see the day when giving back to the community could wind me up in an orange jumpsuit.

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WOW December 14, 2010 at 18:48

Seventeen year old good looking alpha teenage male in my community:

Me: Jimmy, you gonna get married one day?

Jimmy: Pffffft, No! Why would I pay some chick just to break up!

/they’re getting the message men, slowly!

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RCG December 14, 2010 at 19:14

“Florida gunman shoots himself after storming school board meeting”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/shots_fired_hostages_taken_at_florida_sH6lLLB1NlL3lgOO1ETloN

“WJHG-TV reported he spoke briefly about his wife being fired, spray painted the letter V on the wall — apparently a reference to the movie “V For Vendetta” — then produced a handgun.

He dismissed the women and children from the room and took the remaining members hostage. At some stage, Ginger Littleton, a school board member, apparently hit Duke with her purse.”

This man killed himself because of his wife. He was armed with a gun, but he refused to fire on a woman or take a woman hostage, even after one of them assaulted him. This incident should be a clear example of the fact that it is men, not women, who silently bear the burden of victimhood. Chivalry has a long way to go before it is finally dead for good. The deaths of people like Clay Duke will only make it die faster.

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Bambino December 14, 2010 at 19:19

To all the young men out there, remember:

Love is a girl’s game and YOU never win.

Go chase your own damn dreams.

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tom47 December 14, 2010 at 19:30

Here’s an idea I’ve been thinking about.
What if we got a copy of the consent form that the porn industry uses and maybe modify it for use by college guys. Then we worked up a petition for them to hand out on campus. It would state the following:
That given possibility of false accusations and the consequences of those accusations to male students we the male students of this institution demand the following:
That campus police be available to witness the signing of sexual consent forms.
That the school provide “safe sex” rooms with video recorders to document activity.
Even if there’s no change of the school adopting the policies the fact that these petitions would be circulating on campus would start one hell of a riot.
We could send them by e mail in PDF form to lists of fraternities, college teams, mens groups ect.

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tom47 December 14, 2010 at 19:34

I should point out that e mail costs almost nothing, PDF’s are printable and all we really need is a mailing list. Again it doesn’t even have to be a practical idea, it just has to make noise and plant ideas. Who knows it may actually be a practical idea.

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Lord Viktor December 14, 2010 at 20:25

@AntiIdiocy:

The times they are a changin’. Young men today are definitely being fooled far less by all the anti-male propaganda that baby boomer and gen-x men were duped by.

I was part of Gen-X. I was also brainwashed into becoming a white knight until two years ago, when my eyes were finally opened thanks to sites such as the Spearhead.

And speaking of the anti-male propoganda of Gen X, before I was de-programmed, I used to love watching shows such as “Saved by the Bell”. I was practically raised on it during my summers as a latchkey kid.

I ended up buying Seasons 1 & 5 dirt cheap at a record store and while I still find some episodes amusing, I simply can’t get into it the way I did before now that I can see the blatant male-bashing that is so prevalent throughout the show.

It’s not just the (dysfunctional) relationship between Jesse and Slater, but in the obvious contempt and disdain the females display when the males act like MEN instead of the pansy ass manginas they’re “supposed” to be.

It’s so disgusting. I think the ONLY reason I haven’t burned my SBtB DVDs is because of Nostalgia Power, nothing more.

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Anti Idiocy December 14, 2010 at 20:31

Form an alliance against the older feminists. This is how you can break down the existing order.

Exactly. Focus on the BBBs.

And yeah, I know, NABBBALT.

BTW BBB=Baby Boomer Biddy.

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greyghost December 14, 2010 at 20:35

California Kid December 14, 2010 at 18:02
Yes, but the young women didn’t create this society. It was created by older feminists and manginas.
Many on here want to go back to Marriage 1.0, but how can you do that if you thirst for revenge against young women who didn’t make this world ?
I am man, probably older than most of you. If you want to make a new world, you must include young women in it. Don’t get revenge against young women. Instead, talk to them and convert them. Form an alliance against the older feminists. This is how you can break down the existing order

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This will never happen for you or any man over the age of maybe 10 years. All women of this generation will pay. Must pay to save civilization. The only hope as you would like to see as you commented above California Kid is for a 12 year old girl today to find herself in her late 40′s childless and not entitled to skim a males productivity. Only then will WOMEN start the MRM as a counter to the male culture of MGTOW we are starting today. Have faith in the solipsism of the female. A good dose of indifference from a man living MGTOW and she will come to you for chivalry California Kid. Trust in knowing what you desire will never happen giving women what they ask for. And also you will never have a marriage 1.0 relationship in this life no man here will.

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Keyster December 14, 2010 at 21:29

Have faith in the solipsism of the female.

True that.

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Avenger December 14, 2010 at 21:52

Did men even question women and their ethics to the levels that we are seeing now?

Only throughout all of history lol

In the past, we could almost agree that men weren’t being fair to women, what’s a womyn’s excuse now? What can a feminist say when everyone realizes that ‘equality’ was just a ruse?

I don’t agree with that at all. Even if there were a few minor areas where females weren’t treated as equals to men(and even this I doubt) it was nothing compared to how the majority of men were treated by their rulers.
Equality is a ruse. Females don’t want to be equal to men, they want to be equal to the handful of the top wealthy women and have the same privileges that these women have always had. Females naturally have an envious and jealous nature and are lazy enough to live their entire lives at an animal level as long as their needs are met.

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evilwhitemalempire December 14, 2010 at 22:10

Chivalry is not anti-feminism.
You can think of chivalry as ‘protofeminism’.
In an age when violence against women was the norm and not the exception chivalry would have been looked upon very favorably.
But in an age when the benefits of chivalry are ENTIRELY taken for granted they criticize it.
They do this NOT because it defers to women (feminists really like that part) but because of the thought process involved. i.e. “I’m bigger and stronger than you so I’m doing you a favor.” If feminists could get the deferment in both deed AND thought they would love it very much. This is, in fact, what they are working on.
You see feminists only criticize chivalry because they deem it insufficient as an apparatus of female supremacy.
But they could only criticize chivalry if they already lived in a world where chivalry was firmly entrenched.

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fondueguy December 14, 2010 at 22:13

“It’s encouraging to see young men’s growing awareness, but it would be even better if young women finally saw what a disaster feminism is turning out to be for them, personally.”

Ummmm, some young women do see the disaster that Feminism is and want their full time breadwinner back along with all the other privileges women had. Just need to watch out for those train jumping self serving types. (Sometimes I like to allow their ignorance).

Now is a good time to get real choice for men. Part time or not. Marriage or not…

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MikkoAP December 14, 2010 at 22:18

California Kid: “If you want to make a new world, you must include young women in it. Don’t get revenge against young women. ”

Deciding to never marry and/or have kids and/or cohabit and/or to not spend all your time and energy to climb up the career ladder because it USED to be the way to get a quality woman and/or going ghost is not revenge.

They’re survival strategies.

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CashingOut December 14, 2010 at 23:27

@ Avenger, Welmer

I can see what Avenger is saying about guys being more pussywhipped today than they were 30 years ago. However, that doesn’t mean that guys aren’t waking up. The reason for the two different viewpoints is because 30 years ago, feminism wasn’t as rampant as it was now, and as such, you had more guys who were close to “normal” in their views of life and women. You had your action movies, no politically correct slang, everyone wasn’t fat, if someone in a movie, story, or on TV bitchslapped a female, or swore, or did something politically incorrect, it was taken as the part of the plot as it was. Today feminism is just so rampant that it’s almost impossible to explain the absence of it to someone who was born after 1990. In action movies, not only are their no more damsels in distress, there are no more damsels: every female is the next coming of Xena or Buffy. Every song on the radio is a 5 minute long apology for being a man. Every sex act is rape. Everything must be at least 50% female.

You have to realize, that what seems outright ridiculous to us, is natural to a 20 something because they have seen nothing else. It’s like how a fish doesn’t see water. I’m not exaggerating when I say that most 20 something males out here, would most likely KILL you or someone else if they thought it would get them pussy. The young men out here who have opened their eyes, are so energetic about it because if they weren’t, they would get swallowed up by all the crap. And that is also why they are so noticeable: in the 80′s when everyone was just mellow dudes and you could get by like that, the overall distribution of pussification was lower, but you didn’t notice it as much because no one stood out. Now the pussification level is off the chart, but when a dude gets pissed off, he gets pissed off. So you notice it more when some guy says “fuck bitches” out here, even though he probably feels the same way about women, steak, and bj’s as his counterpart in the 1980′s.

Well that’s my opinion anyway.

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Observer December 14, 2010 at 23:44

“Chivalry” and all the various “romantic” behaviors were set in place for the upper classes as a way for a man to prove to the woman’s parents (her father) that he had the resources and status to marry. If we’re going back to chivalry, it’s only fair we bring back the dowry concept.

Remember folks, in stable societies the father is his daughter’s keeper until marriage. Since the general consensus in pop culture today that all men are buffoons or borderline psychopaths, maximum effort is made to prevent us from actually raising our children.

Unless a girl has been raised by a guy who isn’t afraid to lay down the law, she will grow up to be one of these never-ending self-contradicting fembots who complain about how everyone and everything has failed to make her life complete. Women need to be shown their limitations because they lack the ego strength to truly confront them on their own. Then again, since the society we live in can hardly make a distinction between men and women anymore, what’s the use?

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Lavazza December 15, 2010 at 02:10

As I see it chivalry can only come from a position of power and without obligation. A chivalrous act is something that a person of power spontaneously does to a person with much less power to bridge the gap, so that some interaction can ensue, or just for the person of power to enjoy the feeling of being so powerful and/or protected in his power that he does not have to guard his power 24/7.

“Inter pares” relations are based on reciprocity, where there is no room for chivalry because there is no gap to bridge.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 15, 2010 at 02:48

Chivalry is sexism and discrimination that injures and harms the interests of men to the benefit of women. I now despise men who engage in ‘Chivalry’ with western women as man-hating, white knighting, mangina apologists.

I will name and shame such men if they do to much of this on my own site.

I would suggest ALL men who encounter men committing ‘chivalry’ simply confront these men as the sexist and discriminatory pigs they are.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 15, 2010 at 02:54

OT but very interesting.

A colleague just passed me this site. Amazing I have not seen it before.

http://www.intmensorg.info/index.html
http://www.intmensorg.info/radfem.htm

Of course, all those of you who think that the way the world is is just some giant accident and that there is not a small group of dominant men running the world to THEIR benefit? Well just scroll on past. ;-)

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George of the Jungle December 15, 2010 at 04:38

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Wald December 15, 2010 at 06:18

@George of the Jungle

To quote a previous poster, “For a man to be to gentleman, there must be a lady present.”

In this world, there are no ladies about. There are whores, bitches, prostitutes, but no ladies. Or maybe there are, I’ve just never seen any except on TV and in old movies.

Second, if you are a lady, then why is your user name George in the Jungle? Do you mean Tarzan? Is that some kind of metaphor for how lost and confused you are in this enviroment (All this negativity, oh my!)

Or are you actually not a woman and producing a mock typical response?

If you are indeed a lady then, is George your husband’s name?

Lastly, to quote you, you said, “This is what woman are waiting for….a man to be a man.”

That is called shaming langauge, lady, and we don’t take kindly to that here. And to top it off, if you want men to be men, than tell woman to stop trying to be men. Tell women to stop telling us men to get in touch with our feminine side and tell that to stop asking us to be sensitive. Tell women to stop asking us to be what we are not, because it’s fucking confusing.

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Wald December 15, 2010 at 06:20

@George of the Jungle

To quote a previous poster, “For a man to be to gentleman, there must be a lady present.”

In this world, there are no ladies about. There are whores, bitches, prostitutes, but no ladies. Or maybe there are, I’ve just never seen any except on TV and in old movies.

Second, if you are a lady, then why is your user name George in the Jungle? Do you mean Tarzan? Is that some kind of metaphor for how lost and confused you are in this enviroment (All this negativity, oh my!)

Or are you actually not a woman and producing a mock typical response?

If you are indeed a lady then, is George your husband’s name?

Lastly, to quote you, you said, “This is what woman are waiting for….a man to be a man.”

That is called shaming langauge, lady, and we don’t take kindly to that here. And to top it off, if you want men to be men, than tell woman to stop trying to be men. Tell women to stop telling us men to get in touch with our feminine side and tell that to stop asking us to be sensitive. Tell women to stop asking us to be what we are not, because it’s fucking confusing.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 15, 2010 at 06:35

Avenger December 14, 2010 at 15:02
“Things are definitely changing. Young men are not the blinded fools they were just a couple decades ago
That’s complete nonsense. Men today are certainly a lot more pussy whipped and politically correct than they ever were in 1980. ”

Well I was well conscious and aware 30 years ago Avenger. And men were MUCH more like MEN in those days.
I recall in 1986 my boss at IBM called me in for a ‘private chat’. He was very concerned. His son, who was just into high school so he would be 12, had come to him with a problem and he didn’t know how to handle it. Me, being younger and more in tune with young people, he thought I might have an opinion. The ‘problem’ was that the day before his son had opened the door for a girl and she had turned around and kicked him in the shin and told him she could open the door for herself. My boss was in his 40s back then and he was horrified at the treatment of his son. The idea anyone would kick anyone outside of a ‘real fight’ was bad enough, but for his boy to be kicked and humiliated while doing what his father had told him was the ‘right’ thing to do had my boss very worried indeed. He was a very loving and caring father doing his best for his boy, a really good man. I told him I too was astonished and had never heard of such a thing. I agreed his son should not just smack the girl in the mouth as we both agreed he should do to any BOY who did this. We were stumped as to how to address this issue at the time. That’s 24 years ago now.

Many boys who are in their 20s? They have similarly been kicked in the shin by an ‘empowered girl’ when they tried to do what their chivalrous fathers taught them was the right thing. This is why I see the backlash is going to be so bad for women. Pretty soon? When a woman kicks someone or slaps someone? He’s going to slap her right back and manginas are NOT going to interfere. Eg. How many women have actually completed something like my proposed ‘Affidavit of lawful equality’ which waives the womens privilege not to be hit back? None. Tells you all you need to know.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 15, 2010 at 06:52

George of the Jungle December 15, 2010 at 04:38
“I know because I am a woman.”

George, I am sick to death of you women and your lies. Ok? You have NO CREDIBILITY any more with this ‘good woman’ shit you carry on with. And you have deserved your label as ‘liars and hypocrites’ that I tar you western women with.

My ex committed the crimes of perjury, kidnapping, extortion and theft. FAR from defend my right to my children and my property pretty much ALL THE SO CALLLED GOOD WOMEN were very happy that my rights were violated. I asked ALL my women ‘friends’ to help me. They nearly ALL chose to ignore my request for help. Gee Thanks. Sounds like ‘equality to me.

Further, my ex was a member of the ‘International Womens Club of Dublin’. These are the 250 of the most privileged women in Dublin. To be a member you have to be invited into the group and you basically have to be wealthy and the non-working wife of an executive level man. Here is my open letter to the IWCD.
http://www.peternolan.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=L2010009101+IWCD+Open+Letter+V0.1.pdf&tabid=538&mid=1230
Notice how I demanded that since my ex is a common criminal, not to mention a self confessed adulterer, I demanded the contact details for he new employer so as to warn him she is a thieft who has stolen money from HER HUSBANDS COMPANY and also a patholigical liar and perjurer so that the ‘new man’ could be warned. The result? Complete silence. This PROVES that when women KNOW a woman is a criminal they will HIDE AND PROTECT HER from exposure to men.

So take your ‘Not all women are like that’ and your ‘some wives are good’ cowshit and shove it where the sun does not shine. Because women EXACTLY LIKE YOU are the BIGGEST LIARS and HYPOCRITES OF ALL because you will see evidence like this and this is about the ONLY thing you will STFU about. I really, really, REALLY despise women like you. You are a disgrace. Your husband should kick you to the curb for not standing up for the rights of men JUST LIKE HIM and I. Go ahead, read that letter, read my site, read the perjury my ex committed and remember that women REJOICED at the kidnapping of my children and my ex getting 95% of proceeds of MY LABOUR.
And you just remember I am going to tell young men my story day in, day out until I die and I am going to tell them that women EXACTLY LIKE YOU are the BIGGEST LIARS and HYPOCRITES OF ALL. No need to thank me. The young men do so already.

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Avenger December 15, 2010 at 07:14

Hey “George”- if you’re female, why do you take a male name? Hmm?

That is what most women are waiting for … a man to be the man.
I neither care or am concerned with what females want. Their job in life is to cater to what men want since men do everything in this world that makes their lives easy. God created Eve(woman) to be the servant of Adam(man)

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 15, 2010 at 08:46

Keyster December 14, 2010 at 10:59

Keyster, Elaine Gale is hideously ugly. How she even GOT to have a miscarriage is a miracle. Her husband must be serious ‘beta’ or maybe ‘omega’ material. And he is reportedly 6 years younger….likely Omega. How any man can marry a hideously ugly ‘career’ women who is 36 when he is 30 is beyond me. It really is.

She says…

“I’m not special anymore,” I said to my husband, surprisingly and out-of-nowhere, exhausted after the whole ordeal..

As the great Bernard Chapin says: “You are special, just like everyone else!” I LOVE that line.

“But I found that my biological choice to have a child was snatched away from me while I was being liberated.”

Women NEVER take responsibilty for their actions and the consequences of them. Notice how some ‘mysterious force’ snatched away her choice to have a child. How pathetic can women be? And that she is actually prepared to put this trip in PRINT with NO IDEA that it screams “I am teflon to RESPONSIBILITY”. Women equal to men? Bullshit. No man would put shit like that in writing because he would be ridiculed by his fellow men.

Men look for and take responsibility.
Women eschew responsibility and try to lay ‘blame’ on the ‘mythical’. Just like 5 year old boys do. You know. Mr. Nobody ate the chocolate cake.

“How could I have been so naïve? How could I have put off having children so late that I have possibly missed the opportunity to have children at all?”

Because you are a woman and you have 6.5x less grey matter between your ears and therefore you need to be told by a man what to do or suffer the consequences of having such a low power brain that you can not figure out what is the bleeding obvious to any 10 year old boy. THAT is how you put off having children so late.

And MORE proof how brain dead this walking rock is? As if that was necessary.

“After the miscarriage, I walked away in a huff. But Feminism has so many amazing qualities: I love her strength, her commitment to fairness, her passion for equality and social justice. I know I wouldn’t be where I am today without her.”

Feminism is not about ‘equality’ or ‘fairness’ or ‘social justice’. Even after this miscarriage she is as dumb as a rock as to what feminism is all about. Women hurl hatred at me for pointing out they are as dumb as rocks. But when a woman puts ‘dumb as rocks’ opinions out in the public like this, opinions that men would fear to publish, the women, also dumb as rocks, can’t figure out this woman is as dumb as a rock….and so on we go. Dumb women like Hilary Clinton leading dumb women like Elaine Gale up the garden path…..all the while telling women not to listen to men. LOL!!

Here is a question. Does this woman love HER life as much as I love mine? I think not.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 15, 2010 at 09:10

Jesse Powell,
wow….I’ve decided he is worthy of a spot on my man-hating threads. Right next to Christian J, who seems to not have been willing to be able to reply to my email to him pointing out that I put him on may man-hating mangina list. LOL! Only a mangina would NOT reply to an email like that! LOL!
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/57/threadid/655/scope/posts/Default.aspx

SingleDad December 14, 2010 at 12:39
“So, the best we can do is help young men open their eyes. But to expect women to change or regret anything is futile.”

True that. I now tell women to their face that they are irrelevant to being part of the solution. The book witten through me does NOT require women do ANYTHING. It offers men the opportunity to educate themselves and then be well informed and liberated based on that information. When men economically dominate the landscape again? Women will do what they have always done. Whatever it takes to get a man to pay for them. Period.

TFH December 14, 2010 at 13:29
“On January 1, 2011″

Too late bro. The book written through me already shows any young man how to be free should he choose to do it. It is not up to ’300 men’. It is up to each individual young man to ask himself the question:

“Do I wish to live free in this femnazi world?”

If the anwser is no he should STFU and be a good slave for Hilary and the like. If the answer is yes, all he needs to do is read the book and use it. It’s the culmination of a life used to present this information for any man who chooses to use it. So far? Not many.

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Trollicus Maximus December 15, 2010 at 11:15

Fuck younger women, they are often times worse than the older ones. NAWALT and all that but really, itàs sickening. They have the entitlements and the desire for traditional roles and they act like they have been pampered their whole life.

I am trollking, on vacation in Italia…be back to trolling soon. I think I started a riot….

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Observer December 15, 2010 at 11:16

@ George of the Jungle

“Yes, there are still good women out there who love to take care of their husband and family. They aren’t hell bent on lording anything over their husband but rather value his partnership.”

We aren’t talking about exceptions to the rule, we’re talking about the rule. More importantly, we’re discussing what is wrong and what might be done to fix it.

“Many who have posted here seem to have a negative frame of mind and only see the bad in the female sex. With this negative energy you will only attract negativity.”

It only seems that way until you read and find out what is actually being said.

“Have any of you thought that by opening that door for the lady in front of you may open the door of opportunity with either her or some other woman who sees this? Good manners and being a gentleman is never out of place. Even if the woman is not well bred enough to voice her thanks for your kind gesture. Go ahead and be the man.”

Obviously, you haven’t had the pleasure of opening the door for someone and being scolded for it in public. I wish you would have really paid attention to what’s really being talked about instead of merely reacting to the emotion. You can’t expect to have your cake, and eat it, and throw it in everybody’s face at the same time.

“That is what most women are waiting for … a man to be the man.”

It’ll take more than a romance cover to solve the problem! If they have the wrong idea to start with, how will they know when they see one? It wouldn’t hurt if “most women” today weren’t so financially entitled or intellectually lazy or unabashedly hypocritical.

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Omnipitron December 15, 2010 at 12:35

I don’t agree with that at all. Even if there were a few minor areas where females weren’t treated as equals to men(and even this I doubt) it was nothing compared to how the majority of men were treated by their rulers.

Of course, things wheren’t that bad for women, you and I and every man on this board knows this but apparently, in the past men must have figured that women must have something worthy to b!tch about which is where Feminism gained steam. When they said they couldn’t work, well, one could see where they where coming from, they could actually point to the workforce as evidence of their point.

What can they say now?

The reason why womyn like George of the Jungle can get reamed by men like Peter is because he DID everything that she had stated and where did that leave him? The more they try to take from men, the more men can see then for what they really and truly are. I at one point used to defend feminism years ago, until I realized that women will take everything from you and still DEMAND more saying that they are the victims.

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Lara December 15, 2010 at 12:43

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Omnipitron December 15, 2010 at 13:43

George of the Jungle has written the best comment I’ve read on here in a long time

Which is precisely the reason why you will hear many more of them from disgruntled women in the future. FYI, nothing is done for free, and you are showing your true colours (just as TFH said you would) by thinking that men should be more chivalrous while being denigrated, seperated from their rights and their children.

You are simply giving men here more reasons to ignore you. What is the definition of insanity, oh yes, that would be trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The days of crapping over men and expecting their continued good behavior is drawing to a close.

We can and we will tell you no, there is no longer anything of benefit for us dealing with your type anymore.

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CashingOut December 15, 2010 at 15:18

George you stupid bitch, exactly when is a female ever a lady in this culture? When is she ever expected to be a lady? To anyone who woul day that “a woman will be a lady when men are gentleman, let me break down the ages of men and women, and the excuses they have for bad behavior:

0-5: both are just born, only minimal good behavior is expected from both.

05-12: girls are brats, but they get an excuse for it because that’s just how girls are. Boys have bad behavior too, but depending on the family, some form of “the talk” is had where things such as responsibilities, rights, privileges, and the differences and ramifications between them is had.

12-16: Girls begin to become promiscuous (if they aren’t already: I have known of 10 yr old sluts, yes I know what child abuse is, no this is not what I am talking about, I mean sluts), act bitchy, violent, angry, and illogical. However the excuse they get for this is “girls are hormonal when growing up>” So they get a free pass during this period as well. Boys do stuff too, but if hormones are blamed, it’s only as a reason why the boy needs to be drugged, jailed, or is otherwise bad. That said, at this point boys get the full version of the talk, and come to understand what consequences and the like are.

16-21: Girls and adult females are now promiscuous without shame. However this is just “exploring her sexuality.” If she gets pregnant, it’s some man’s fault. Drinking has started by now as well (if not in the 12-16 era, or even the 5-12 era…once again I’ve seen this). Females are not expected to have control over when they drink, text, or any of that, because it’s what females do. Once again, it’s not that men don’t do bad things in this era, but with men, spades tend to get called more often. Also, the men who have character and have decided to make something of themselves have taken control of their character for the most part, and while they have their faults, come to get a general understanding of the way of the world.

21-30: At this point for females, the booze, drugs, and sex party is in full gear. They are past their fertility peak now, and begin to noticeably age, however to prove that they are just as hot as they were when they were 12, they continue to sleep with every and any guy who makes their gina tingle to prove that they still “got it.” At this point, the excuse is that she’s a “modern, liberated woman,” women who make history aren’t well behaved, etc etc. Guys: you know the drill: there are men who do it, but spades generally get checked. Men get called on as such, thugs and criminals the same unless you’re extremely rich or connected, and even then people kind of know to stay away from you most of the time.

So where are we at now, 30? Up to this point there is always some excuse in place to where a female does not have to act like a lady or a girl. Men however have been expected to act as adults as early as 12.

30-40: Let’s start with the men this time: the men who have been working hard are just starting to see their ambitions begin to pay off, if they aren’t in the thick of getting to the top. If nothing else they are stable, responsible, and fully “adult” by this time. Most of the thugs are in jail or ruined otherwise by now, we won’t be hearing much more from these guys, save the ones who saw the light late into the game and honestly did manage to turn themselves around. Even these guys though will always be less than they would have been if they had acted right from the beginning. But that’s off topic. Men at this point are solidly established as men.

Females on the other hand: the party’s starting to be over for them and they know it. Many women are complete wrecks at this point. Many of them have children out of wedlock, some sort of veneral disease, debt up the ass, multiple angry and bad exes. It’s at this point that the blame game begins: even though females have been having a 30 year party (at least), the excuse becomes that it is the unmarried, single, well off MEN who are still living in their teen years, and acting like children, and all of that. Now that the pooch has been screwed, the horse is out of the barn, the car is wrecked and all of that, it’s the men who have been acting responsible, bearing their life’s burdens who are suddenly the children of society. It is at this point that females decide to “rediscover” their youth, by sleeping with younger men, drinking more, doing wild and stupid things, etc etc. In other words, getting her worn out “groove” back.

So now we’re at 40, and females STILL aren’t expected to act like ladies. Men however are supposed to be Sir Fucking Lancelot for these skanks, who BTW have been shitting on them for the past 40 years.

40-60: Now you finally have the majority of skanks starting to slow down. At this point all but the most genetically gifted are total wrecks. The majority of them are fat, overweight, Al Bundy’s mother, etc. Many of them suffer from the results of years of drug use and drinking. At this point, it’s time to blame their whole lives on men and the horrible things that men have done to them. Females who act bad at this stage are just “getting it off their chest.” Men who act bad at this stage are just “bitter, angry, losers,” and the like.

60 to the grave: At this point everyone is pretty much where they are going to be for the rest of their lives. At this point men are in a state of reflection, penance, and preparation (as much as you can) for Whatever Lies Beyond. If they are angry and mean, they don’t get a pass for it because of the hardness of any life they’ve lived (Veterans get a deserved pass of sort on this, as it’s obvious that you’ve suffered if you’ve been through a war, but that is the exception that proves the rule), it’s blamed on them being just plain evil.

Females who are evil at this point get one more pass: they’re just crochety old women, they’ve always been like that. And why wouldn’t they be: let’s review:

0-5: just a baby
5-12: just growing up
12-16: hormonal changes
16-21: enjoying being a woman
21-30: modern and liberated
30-40: just getting back at the “boys”
40-60: venting anger for men “ruining” her life
60 onwards: that’s just how she has always been

And she’s always had an excuse for it. Meanwhile men have been expected to be men from about 12 on.

Putting this in perspective, George makes it sound like females are ladies, and it’s the lack of men that makes them switch into trifling skank mode. In truth, females are NEVER ladies, and they’re never expected to be ladies. When gentlemen are around, they fall back on one of the excuses to justify being a slattern. So why aren’t men being gentlemen? Because from the day she is born, to the day she dies, a female is never expected to act like a lady, and men are sick and tired of it.

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CashingOut December 15, 2010 at 15:37

Also, it’s a damn shame that George didn’t go by the moniker Jane Porter from Tarzan. Then I would have had an excuse to use the opener “Jane you ignorant slut.”

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Lara December 15, 2010 at 16:08

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W.F. Price December 15, 2010 at 16:24

We do act like ladies when we are in company of men that act like men.

-Lara

This is true. Women act like ladies in my presence, but it isn’t because I’m some supplicating douche. Quite the opposite, actually.

cdub December 15, 2010 at 16:27

Eat a dick Lara.

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David K. Meller December 15, 2010 at 17:09

Blaming men for loss of “chivalry” at this late date is like blaming dogs for barking and cats for meowing instead of the other way around! Chivalry was one of many types of behavior, sometimes exaggerated, of course, but basically people –of BOTH sexes–being considerate of each other.

It is true that men were expected to hold doors, walk nearer the curb, tip their hats, arise when a lady entered a room, and remember days that were important to her, birthdays and anniversaries. However, firstly ladies were expected to appreciate the courtesy, and secondly, well-bred ladies reciprocated with courtesies of their own. Ladies, for example, would NEVER interrupt their fathers, husbands or other males in public, would never contradict them, and would–at least in public, when men were around–speak only when spoken to. Ladies also at least went through the motions of dresssing, hairstyling, and grooming themselves for their man’s satisfaction and enjoyment; they certainly didn’t circulate around the room like a stray alley cat in heat, least of all never in front of her date or her husband.

Women, in those days, also recognised that there were times when men enjoyed one-another’s company, and (often after supper) the ladies would retire to one room, and the men to another.

When I read about a women, or a renegade-male, start talking about women resuming some of the above mentioned courtesies to the men in their lives, I will take their complaints seriously. Until then, if they want to act like ersatz men (minus the intelligence and sense of fairness characteristic of us, at least at our best) those harridans and skanks deserve everything they get!

I could go on, but you have the idea…

Chivalry IS DEAD, but it was feminists–and the men who agreed with them–who killed it! Yes, men were far nicer to women under a regime of chivalry but this was (at least in principle) reciprocated. Both sexes benefitted handsomely when it was done correctly.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K.Meller

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Anti Idiocy December 15, 2010 at 20:36

I treat women the same way I treat men.

Fuck chivalry.

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Observer December 15, 2010 at 22:01

“We do act like ladies when we are in company of men that act like men.”

Then when our backs are turned, you act like thieves and harlots.

Lara, go back to your assigned white knight. He’s pushing out his chest just for you!

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DevilDog December 15, 2010 at 22:39

@Lara, wait, you act like Ladies around Men who act like gentlemen?

Oh yeah of course, act like a lady with the gentlemen to get on their radar, act like a whorebag around others… That’s all it is for most girls, AN ACT. Nothing genuine or honest about the majority of Women. Insecurity + the will to be manipulative, quite a pathetic, usually self-destructive combination.

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Andy December 16, 2010 at 03:03

Many years ago while I was still at school(pre 1982) there was a girl in my class who got into feminism in a big way and was going through a phase of slapping the face of any guy who said or did anything she didnt like,well,I was and still am a very inoffensive guy but I`m no doormat so when the inevitable happened and she slapped me I didnt hesitate to slap her right back,the look of utter amazement and disbelief of her face still makes me chuckle to this day,the fact that the whole exchange was seen by our entire class meant that she couldnt spin some yarn to the teacher and the whole thing died there and then,I did notice the she cooled on the whole slapping thing from then on.
Maybe I did her favour and taught her the lesson(that boys learn way early) that actions can and do have consequences

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) December 16, 2010 at 04:21

Gents,
Lara has NEVER acted like a lady in this place.

David K. Meller December 15, 2010 at 17:09
Well said David. Western women are complete bitches when it comes to social interaction now. They talk all over the top of men spouting inanities like they are einstein. If you watch women ‘reporters’ now? Their idea of a ‘tough talking interview’ is to interrupt the interviewee regularly. Something almost NEVER done by male interviewers. (Bill O’Riely does not count. He’s a complete idiot and mouthpiece.)

Example? There is a series on the BBC called ‘Hard Talk’ that some guy has done brilliantly for years. So they give a woman a chance. What does the stupid bitch do? She was interviewing the prime minister of Hungary the other night and she constantly interrupted him. So much so, that about 15 minutes in, every time she interrupted him he just raised his voice and talked all over her, she would talk louder and he would simply raise his voice louder and talk her down. She looked a complete idiot because she was. When you are interviewing a head of state and you ask him a question? Women do not even have the common courtesy to allow you to finish your answer. And I include male ‘wimminz’ in that category.

Further, you are correct that women did not try an inject themselves into the world of men. Yet today? We have ‘empowered women’ doing ‘reporting’ from inside mens dressing rooms. But not vice versa.

If anyone needs any evidence of how to understand the effects of involving women where they do not belong? Just take a look at the performance of the Australian cricket team so far in the ashes series in Australia. We have played the worst cricket in living memory. No team comprising the ‘top players’ has played so badly since WW II, and arguably an Australian side (with all players) has NEVER played so badly or given in so easily.
If you change a mans game so that women will watch it? You get a game that only women would want to watch because the ‘manliness’ has gone out of the game. They made cricket ‘family friendly’….and it alienated the men. I don’t watch Australia play cricket any more because the ‘girliness’ of the ‘so called men’ disgusts me. When Warne, McGrath, Hayden and co left? The real men were gone. Ponting is a ‘girlie man’ and should never have been vice captain, let alone captain.

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David K. Meller December 16, 2010 at 10:00

Thank you for your favorable and thoughtful remarks.

It should go without saying that sports entertainment should be (and probably would be, if it weren’t for government-enforced egalitarianism run amok) absolutely segregated by sex!

There ARE people who actually enjoy “women” in sports activities, even in traditionally male activities such as soccer, boxing (!), or baseball. Nothing should stop them from indulging their fancy at THEIR OWN time and expense, but NOT forcing it upon the rest of us!

As far as I am concerned, women in Sports, like most law-enforcement work, the Armed Services, and academia is about as appropriate as allowing toy Pekinese, Chihuahuas, and Pomeranian dogs in a dog show for German Shepards, Rotweilers, and St. Bernards. There is absolutely nothing WRONG

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David K. Meller December 16, 2010 at 10:07

Sorry, I accidently pushed the print button.

There is nothing WRONG with cute little dogs, but they are altogether out of place when placed in s a show with large aggressive dogs! The imbecility comes by forcing women–or anyone else–where they don’t belong, can’t contribute meaningfully, and create needless dissention and conflict among men who are already there.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

PS- I daresay that male idiots like Bill O’Reilly, still worse Jerry Springer or Maury Povich would never be assigned time on a multimillion dollar talk show polluting the airwaves with female narcissism and emotion the way they do if male standards of integrity and competence were upheld by the larger society! DKM

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Anti Idiocy December 16, 2010 at 10:38

“And yeah, I know, NABBBALT.

“BTW BBB=Baby Boomer Biddy.”

Hell, if I’m gonna come up with an acronym, I’m gonna feel free to refine it. Make that: NABBALT (BB=Boomer Biddy), and, for that matter, NABALT (B=Boomer) for speaking of the most wundrous, by their estimate, generation in history.

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NoDoot December 16, 2010 at 23:43

Thanks for this post. The woman complaining about lack of chivalry is simply brain dead. Her basic problem is that she doesn’t see it from the guys perspective. Specifically, why should a guy ask a girl out on a date? He’s risking a harrassment charge, or at least a dis from some chic he might not be all that crazy about anyway. He can get female companionship via facebook or less formal means. Oh, and as the male respondants pointed out, why can’t she ask a guy out, it’s 2010 isn’t it?

Classic case of wanting men to do everything and not have any demands of their own.

To be fair though, I wonder what this harpy looks like. I’m assuming that if she was hot, she wouldn’t be posting screeds about male inattentiveness.

Enjoy the HagenDaz on ladies night hon, you earned it.

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Firepower December 22, 2010 at 11:39

Young Men’s Eyes Are Open

Sorry, chief.
Maybe from the view of the Ivory Tower of an MRM blog, but not in reality.

Young boys (they have not proven themselves as “Men”) eyes are firmly affixed to XBox, YouPorn and Jersey Shore.

Moving our Divisions around on the map table of the Fuhrerbunker is NOT possible until we’ve first accomplished a conquering of a metaphorical Poland.

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gruff December 30, 2010 at 22:08

Sestamibi is right. Derek is a poor stylist. Chivalry and feminism both may die, but for God’s sake let’s have good writing back again.

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culturevulture February 22, 2011 at 13:21

I am a man of Chivalry. Most women do not appreciate it and often think it odd or foolish however the one who will appreciate it will be my wife. For real!

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