Assange Arrested, No Bail

by W.F. Price on December 7, 2010

Julian Assange turned himself in to police in London and stated his intention to fight extradition to Sweden, where he faces vague sex-crime charges. Feminist Anna Ardin and accomplice Sofia Wilen, his accusers, met each other after both had slept with Assange within a short timeframe, and they subsequently joined forces to jointly accuse him of rape.

There is a lot of background on Anna Ardin, who is not only a feminist ideologue who has made sexual harassment accusations against her students at the University of Uppsala for not paying attention to her, but apparently was also involved in some intrigues in Cuba, from which she was expelled for her association with a right-wing feminist group. As for Sofia Wilen, she appears to be a young, aspiring photographer, a little odd, and perhaps suggestible, as it was apparently Ardin who convinced her to go to the police.

A number of journalists on both the right and left have exposed some of the activities of Ardin and offered their own commentary, however the mainstream media has been oddly silent about the accusers and their background.

A couple interesting articles:

From Takimag (Right):

Julian Assange’s Honey Trap: That’s Rape in Sweden

Counterpunch (Left):

Assange Besieged

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Firepower December 7, 2010 at 12:38

Persecution from our weak, venal and corrupt Liberal government – pure and simple.

It’s likely to fail, as most of their unreasonable fantasies.

Assange is a hero.

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silent December 7, 2010 at 12:41

Did anyone else get a copy of the ‘insurance’ file?

They said if he gets arrested, they’ll release the decryption code, but so far nothing has been issued

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Indomitable Thoughts December 7, 2010 at 12:57

What’s strange to me (and should be to anyone) is how these types of arrests can happen without any evidence at all. What are the courts going to prosecute him on, allegations of rape from a historically known false accuser? If they convict him based on such evidence it’ll show how thoroughly feminist-hijacked the world’s institutions are.

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Richard December 7, 2010 at 13:03

QUESTION:

Is there anyway we can protest?

Write letters to the British Government?

Express our disgust with how things are being handled?

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Unfrozen Caveman December 7, 2010 at 13:05

This is such bullshit.

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SingleDad December 7, 2010 at 13:07

@ Indomitable

You need more proof, or you mean the world will see?

The only coutries laughing are Asian and Middle Eastern as they see the usual machinations of the west.

They are laughing because they see their domination of us becoming more and more unstoppable due to our inability to control our misandry.

How we are destroying our education system and destroying our male population, all they have to do is wait.

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SingleDad December 7, 2010 at 13:10

And to those here that espouse open revolt, Assanage is being made an example of. He will suffer his whole life long for insulting Hitlary.

As most of us are fathers, such sacrifice is to sacrifice our children and this I will not do.

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Kim December 7, 2010 at 13:25

“If they convict him based on such evidence it’ll show how thoroughly feminist-hijacked the world’s institutions are.”

They’ve done that before, oftentimes swedish courts will choose to believe the woman’s story because the judge believes she’s more credible. We don’t have a jury system in Sweden (no peers allowed), instead the judge together with politically appointed “nämndemän” decides whether or not you’re guilty.

Note that the “nämndemän” are not appointed as such, they’re just local politicians elected to another office.

The whole Assange affair makes me ashamed to be Swedish, I just saw the Al Jazeers interview and I was just embarassing.

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Indomitable Thoughts December 7, 2010 at 13:32

@SingleDad

I guess it’s sort of rhetorical, but I think there should be way more of a burden of proof before someone can be arrested on allegations. Is there any other type of crime where the accuser can so easily pre-emptively get someone arrested?

I think China and the Middle East will be better places to be for men in the future, once feminism and other totalitarian movements have thoroughly penetrated the government and turned all free speech into hate speech. Then we won’t really be any different from a place that locks you up for political subversion or not bowing to Allah five times a day. Hell we’re on the way now.

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Anonymous December 7, 2010 at 13:32

The whole Assange affair makes me ashamed to be Swedish, I just saw the Al Jazeers interview and I was just embarassing.

Link? What was bad about it exactly?

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Indomitable Thoughts December 7, 2010 at 13:33

*thoroughly penetrated our government. Be it the US, Canada, western Europe, etc.

lol…feminism penetrating our government. Some imagery there…

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Johnycomelately December 7, 2010 at 13:42

Assange a hero? More like a plant, seriously wheres the spiel 0n real issues?

Israels nukes, September 11, CIA drug operations, increased heroin production in Afganistan, Iranian scientists getting assasinated, the Fed bailouts going overseas, CIA backing of terrorists in Bosnia, Chechnya, Bolucistan and its role in Al Qaeda.

Webster Tarpley sees him as one of Soros shills and I tend to agree, this douche is going to give the authorities a reason to limit the net.

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tom47 December 7, 2010 at 13:45

We could probably leave comments on European news paper sites. We also have to defend the web now.

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Kim December 7, 2010 at 13:52

Here’s the link to the Al Jazeera interview, as requested:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLy2UOaA0CU

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Richard December 7, 2010 at 14:01
SingleDad December 7, 2010 at 14:45

As I read in a great post regarding this written by, a feminist!, Naomi Wolf:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.html

The feminasties at salon are having none of it, they are truley the tools of the powers that be:

http://www.salon.com/news/wikileaks/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/12/07/julian_assange_rape_accuser_smeared

I wonder if he chose to be arrested in Britian for fear of being assasinated by the US?

I wonder if that is why he won’t come out on bail, self selected protective custody.

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terre December 7, 2010 at 15:23

Does anyone really think Naomi Wolf would come out defending Assange if he weren’t famous and attractive?

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Anonymous Protagonist December 7, 2010 at 15:35

To me the telling parts of this whole story are the following.
-paypal shuts him down
-the swiss bank closes his account
-the credit card companies shut him down
-the governments of the US, Australia, England and Sweden knowingly take a false charge and use it to prosecute him
-he’s played everything by the book

If you want to stop someone from doing something you don’t like, all you have to do is a) prevent them from engaging in commerce and b) invent obvious lies to get the cops after you.

Aren’t there conspiracy theories out there saying this is our future?

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SingleDad December 7, 2010 at 16:02

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I’m more of a scientist, I like proof.

But it is inescapable that a number of countries are conspiring to get this man.

Alot of how things really work is being revealed. It seems like a conspiracy to me.

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SingleDad December 7, 2010 at 16:24

@ terra

Spoken like a true woman.

I have read alot of comments from alot of articles. What I came away with is that Mr. Assanage would not be getting laid if he weren’t famous, most posters say he is not very attractive.

And, as you can see from Salon’s response and as many posters indicated on the Huff Po post, she is being pretty brave to 1. Critisize the femininasties and 2. Place herself in the cross hairs of the powers that be.

It is very interesting that feminists and especially Swedish academic feminists were in on the plot.

I guess to say that feminists are in bed with the powers that be would be a very fair assessment. Bed hopping to get to the top, older than human history.

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Anonymous Protagonist December 7, 2010 at 16:26

For what it’s worth I’m fascinated by history and I’m intellectually curious. This has led me down the road of becoming something akin to a conspiracy theorist. In terms of facts, they’re out there. The truth can’t be hidden, it can only be obfuscated. And the lessons of history provide really clear examples about how power manifests itself. The problem today is that people don’t do their own learning. They get fed their information from Authority. It’s obvious how that’s worked out.

Anyway, I’ll jump to the end on this Assange business. He has financial ties to Soros. That’s a fact. He also has a clear political bias in what information he is making available. There are lots of potential targets he could disclose information on, but he hasn’t. Also the information he’s disclosed isn’t particularly shocking. He’s a strawman. He serves somebody else’s agenda.

That said it’s clear that he’s pissed some people off, and techniques of control are being used against him. To me how that is being done is very educational.

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terre December 7, 2010 at 16:39

“I have read alot of comments from alot of articles. What I came away with is that Mr. Assanage would not be getting laid if he weren’t famous, most posters say he is not very attractive.”

Uh, that’s my point. I’m cynical enough to say that a less famous man would not be as attractive to and certainly wouldn’t be getting a fawning editorial from a woman who sees rape behind every corner. It’s like the Roman Polanski effect; if he’s a powerful man, the law doesn’t apply. Assange is precisely the victim of two jealous floosies who’re both less than mentally stable, and were he not a hot topic of conversation his already absurd circumstances would be even more dire.

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W.F. Price December 7, 2010 at 16:43

Anyway, I’ll jump to the end on this Assange business. He has financial ties to Soros. That’s a fact.

-AP

Well, what you have to consider about Soros is that he has ALWAYS hedged his bets.

In fact, Soros is widely known as a hedge fund pioneer. So… should it surprise anyone to know that he engages in the same practice (hedging) when he plays at politics?

Soros is exactly the opposite of a one-trick pony, and if you know that about him he’s a lot easier to understand, and not quite as complex or masterful as he’s made out to be. Obviously he’s no chump, but there’s a discernible pattern there if you care to look.

Ragnar December 7, 2010 at 16:52

Anonymous Protagonist December 7, 2010 at 16:26
He has financial ties to Soros.

Have you got anything on that?
It’s an interesting connection.

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Epoche* December 7, 2010 at 16:55

Isnt it disturbing that the first woman saw him twice? How is it rape if she saw him again four days later?

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Matt December 7, 2010 at 17:16

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3DShooter December 7, 2010 at 17:37

If I were running a controversial web-site/blog I think I’d be horrified by the whole Wikileaks affair. The playbook has clearly been written:

1) Mount a DDOS attack on the site to force it to shutdown or move domains.
2) Lock up the finances: paypal, amazon, visa, mastercard are clearly willing participants as are the banks.
3) Manufacture a charge, any will do (don’t think they couldn’t infect a server with a bot to download porn on command? Think stuxnet)
4) Engage puppet governments if need be to bring charges: England and Sweden for example, but there are surely many more that can be brought to heel if need be.

Yep, the rest of the world sure hates us for our fredom’s . . . Welcome to the amerikan police state.

If I were Welmer I might even lose some sleep over this – of course then we’d know men’s issues are striking a nerve (or a root if you like Thoreau-isms).

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Arpagus December 7, 2010 at 17:38

Thinking this has much to do with conspiracies is giving way too much credit to the Swedish justice system. It is no accident that Sweden is second only to Lesotho in per capita rape accusations. Does anyone think that’s because there is so much rape there? No, it’s because Sweden is the world leader in expanding the definition of rape. Their feminist justice system is just doing exactly what it is designed to do: accommodate all women who are unhappy about sex in any way and prosecute men for “rape” or any sex crime they can apply no matter what happened. Assange being who he is is just coincidental, or might as well be because the accusations are completely typical and just as absurd as the majority Sweden’s vast number of rape accusations (53.2 per 100,000 citizens in 2008). This is also a good example of why anonymity for the accused is a terrible idea. I love how this case is making Sweden the laughingstock of the world and showcasing how ludicrous is the feminist definition of rape.

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Joe December 7, 2010 at 17:42

wouldn’t one assume that assange is probably the planets largest supply of insider information about governments and companies and that is what soros is really interested in? I don’t really understand what soros does but I’d think having access to lots and lots of insider information about everything might help him make more profitable investments. Wouldn’t it be fun if Soros’ interest in politics has nothing behind it besides his desire to get more money? It’s the plot for Die Hard 5.

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Anonymous Protagonist December 7, 2010 at 17:48

Soros is behind the Open Society Institute. They’ve sponsored wikileaks. And the guy who is defending Bradley Manning, the supposed source of some of this leak material, is Mark Stevens, who himself has been associated with OSI. There’s your link. Now who knows how strong it is. But consider Stevens is putting his ass in the fire by involving himself with Manning, considering all the dirty business that is afoot.

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Anonymous Protagonist December 7, 2010 at 17:53

@Joe.

LOL. It’s pretty fucking absurd isn’t it?

@Welmer

Nice observation. I never thought of it like that. Brings a smile to my face. This whole thing has Blofeld written all over it.

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3DShooter December 7, 2010 at 18:11

Too funny, even Glen Beck get’s it:

http://www.businessinsider.com/watch-glenn-beck-provide-the-most-coherent-explanation-of-julian-assanges-sex-charges-2010-12

amusing regardless of your opinion of Beck.

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Migu December 7, 2010 at 18:21

Too funny, even Glen Beck get’s it:

Everybody is starting to get it. The question is how long before they allow themselves to recognize it? The government is bankrupt, all benefits will dry up. Ask an old German what that is like. I did once. I believed him.

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Rebel December 7, 2010 at 18:45

My theory is this: now that he is in the hands of the police, the rape charges will drop and he will be accused of treason. Then of terrorism.

The (mostly) useless junk he published on the net will be the pretense for total control of the net.

There`s more than a simple accusation of rape: that`s the cover story, what is required to keep the sheeple asleep… and reassured.

That evil man! He is a threat to world security!

While in fact, he probably fell into a trap. All the “information” was handed to him on a silver platter. The ease with which he “obtained” the info leaves me breathless. Too good to be true. Something smells like tuna fish here.

The lobster cage is closing in..

Bye bye free speech and freedom.

Conspiracy?

Julius Caesar? the French revolution, the American revolution, etc..etc.. were all the results of conspiracies. They exist. Always have. History is replete with conspiracies.

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Keyster December 7, 2010 at 19:44

It seems in Sweden all a woman has to do is claim sex with a man that was originally deemed as “consensual”, at some point turned “non-consensual”. And if she agrees to have sex with him AGAIN a couple of days later, and claims the same exact thing happened, it’s not questioned as suspicious in any way. That’s amazing.

Women have the power to wreak havoc on any man’s life of their choosing with impunity. All she has to do is dial 911 and say, “he raped me”. He’ll spend the night in jail, have to hire an attorney and probably lose his job. If women were naturally more crafty and wily about the law, I’m convinced more would exploit this power if they knew they could.

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CashingOut December 7, 2010 at 19:47

If I were running a controversial web-site/blog I think I’d be horrified by the whole Wikileaks affair. The playbook has clearly been written:

1) Mount a DDOS attack on the site to force it to shutdown or move domains.
2) Lock up the finances: paypal, amazon, visa, mastercard are clearly willing participants as are the banks.
3) Manufacture a charge, any will do (don’t think they couldn’t infect a server with a bot to download porn on command? Think stuxnet)
4) Engage puppet governments if need be to bring charges: England and Sweden for example, but there are surely many more that can be brought to heel if need be.

Yep, the rest of the world sure hates us for our fredom’s . . . Welcome to the amerikan police state.

If I were Welmer I might even lose some sleep over this – of course then we’d know men’s issues are striking a nerve (or a root if you like Thoreau-isms).

The New World Order is here. Not coming. Here. If anything, it’s only booting up, but believe me, freedom, privacy, all of that, is a thing of the past.

Everyone has been cheering on how “connected” the internet makes us, but the flip side of it is that it chains us all together, and to Big Brother.

http://www.fastcompany.com/1683302/iris-scanners-create-the-most-secure-city-in-the-world-welcomes-big-brother?partner=yahoobuzz

Brain scanning equipment is now freely available, and in children’s toys:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/05/mattels-mind-flex-teaches-kids-fake-telepathy

Everyone is trumpeting the coming of the all in one doohickey, the smartphone + camera + microphone + gps + game player + movie player.

Can you even buy a car anymore that is JUST a hunk of metal built around an internal combusion engine, or do they all come with mandatory GPS/cameras/sensors/etc.

And this shit about making things pink for breast cancer: I knew from the get go that that wasn’t just about breast cancer: it’s about how far certain interests reach in multibillion dollar corporations. So far that even boycotting is not a viable option. Think about this for a second: if 3M and Dow chemicals decided to support a cause that you didn’t agree with, what would you do? Boycott them? Do you know how much stuff those two companies alone make that you use that you don’t even know about? It’s one thing to boycott something that plasters it’s name all over it’s products, like Ford, or Walmart, or something of that nature. The company that makes the 3rd little tiny screw that goes in most of the stuff in your house, the company that makes the adhesives that help put your house and every house on the block together, when they start going pink you got a bigger problem.

And then there’s the media: does anyone know what media outlets are competing anymore? Everyone says that it’s Time Warner and Viacom, but to be quite honest, I’ve seen projects from one company show up in the others venue all the time. CBS, Sony, Paramount, Disney, Fox, ABC, A&E, there doesn’t seem to be a demarcation of any kind between outlets that are supposedly competing with each other. People who are supposedly competing wind up toeing the same party line.

This is why I really believe that the best strategy is to get yours, head underground while you still can, and hope and pray that the beast eats itself. It isn’t likely, but it’s something to hope for. I don’t believe that there is real freedom left in the world, and I don’t think anyone really cares.

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3DShooter December 7, 2010 at 19:57

@Migu

Everybody is starting to get it. The question is how long before they allow themselves to recognize it?

The sheeple won’t get it even when they, and their children, are starving in the streets.

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SingleDad December 7, 2010 at 20:07

OT

Someone mentioned Germany earlier and the parallels to our current economic condition are very real.

To those young guys out there taking thousands of dollars in student loans, when I was in school our tuition started to skyrocket. To make a long story short, we had a German professor and I and some of my friends formed a student loan committee to look into what taking these expensive loans would mean to our future.

Our German professor told us that he had been in Germany in the second world war and that we had better think 3 times before taking on this debt with the hope that the future world would give us jobs and an economic climate in which we can pay them back.

Just passing it forward.

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universe December 7, 2010 at 20:08

Their feminist justice system is just doing exactly what it is designed to do: accommodate all women who are unhappy about sex in any way and prosecute men for “rape” or any sex crime they can apply no matter what happened.

– Yes, Arpagus, agreed.
But those two gals should consider themselves lucky for having sex with that Mr. Assange. Afterall, he was doing them a big favour. Mr. Starpower lowering himself to the level of minor league sparrows. They were two minor blips beckoning for attention on the love radar screen of a beta rising alpha man. They should have thanked him for the meager attention he first bestowed upon them.

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CashingOut December 7, 2010 at 20:09

Everyone is trumpeting the coming of the all in one doohickey, the smartphone + camera + microphone + gps + game player + movie player.

Forgot to add with this: the problem with the all in 1 doohickey, is that you only have to turn off 1 thing in order to turn off everything. Once upon a time, if you wanted to shut someone up, or spy on them, you’d have to fix their phone, and confiscate their video equipment, and hope you found all of their tapes, etc etc. Now if you want to shut someone up, all you have to do is to turn off “the gizmo” and bam, they can’t do shit. All of these people talking about how empowered YouTube and their celphone cams make them don’t realize that all that has to happen for them to lose their status as amatuer journalists is for their celphone provider to remove the app from their phone.

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W.F. Price December 7, 2010 at 20:57

This is also a good example of why anonymity for the accused is a terrible idea.

-Arpagus

Agreed. I need to make my position clear on this. Anonymous criminal proceedings – of any sort – just encourage the bullshit and abuse.

BTW, Arpagus, are you making any headway in Norway, or are you still being stubborn and recalcitrant? It’s always a shame to see a bright young man blow it because of that attitude.

Arpagus December 7, 2010 at 21:38

Nah, things are only getting worse around here. However, a friend who is already an expat is setting up a translation agency and if that can provide enough income then I will be able to get out of here.

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Robert December 7, 2010 at 22:29

According to CNN the two women that are accusing Assange of raping them stated they engaged in consensual sex (possibly a threesome) with Assange many times. This included the last time Assange had consensual sex with these women. Now they are claiming one of the acts of consensual sex was rape.

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Lavazza December 7, 2010 at 22:52

Swedish MRA blogger Pär Ström was interviewed on the radio news this morning together with a blogging lawyer about the Assange case. No stupid feminists were allowed.The Swedish MRM is making some headway.

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finndistan December 8, 2010 at 00:29

Isn’t this the same country whose official channel produced that video that told the swedish women to open their legs to any Abdullah, Fabian, Kismet, Bukomo, Kabunga, and Takana in the name of integration?

It also happens to be the country that cut it’s army lion’s balls off, while keeping the mane intact.

A transsexual army lion?

The more women are liberated it seems, the more protection they need.

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Robert December 8, 2010 at 00:36

The Wikileaks sex files: How two one-night stands sparked a worldwide hunt for Julian Assange
Submitted by Matt on Wed, 2010-12-08 03:27.
Making no statement at all about Assange’s Wikileaks-related activities, this story tells more about how one man’s misfortune at *gasp* having sex with two different women within 48 hours can lead to an Interpol warrant. Pay close attention to the details. Excerpt:

‘The Stockholm police want to question him regarding the possible rape of a woman and separate allegations from another Swedish admirer, with whom he was having a concurrent fling. But there remains a huge question mark over the evidence. Many people believe that the 39-year-old ­Australian-born whistleblower is the victim of a U.S. government dirty tricks campaign.

An attractive blonde, Sarah was already a well-known ‘radical feminist’. In her 30s, she had travelled the world following various fashionable causes.

While a research assistant at a local university she had not only been the protegee of a militant feminist ­academic, but held the post of ‘campus sexual equity officer’. Fighting male discrimination in all forms, including sexual harassment, was her forte.

Indeed, it has been suggested that the two women had discussed approaching a tabloid newspaper to maximise Assange’s discomfort. By now, the authorities realised they had a high-profile case on their hands and legal papers were rushed to the weekend home of the chief ­prosecutor, who dismissed the rape charge.

She felt that what had occurred were no more than minor offences.

But the case was now starting to spin out of control.

Sarah next spoke to a newspaper, saying: ‘In both cases, the sex had been consensual from the start but had eventually turned into abuse.’

The two women then instructed Claes Borgstrom, a so-called ‘gender lawyer’ who is a leading supporter of a campaign to extend the legal ­definition of rape to help bring more rapists to justice.

As a result, in September the case was reopened by the authorities, and last month Interpol said Assange was wanted for ‘sex crimes’.

Earlier this year, Sarah is reported to have posted a telling entry on her website, which she has since removed. But a copy has been retrieved and widely circulated on the internet.

Entitled ‘7 Steps to Legal Revenge’, it explains how women can use courts to get their own back on unfaithful lovers.

Step 7 says: ‘Go to it and keep your goal in sight. Make sure your victim suffers just as you did.’ (The highlighting of text is Sarah’s own.)’.

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16036

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1336291/Wikileaks-Julian-Assanges-2-night-stands-spark-worldwide-hunt.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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Robert December 8, 2010 at 00:39

Notice how the faces of his accusers are digitally obscurred in the pictures.

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Lavazza December 8, 2010 at 00:50

Google translate this article from a retired Swedish court president.

http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2010/12/07/fd-lagman-gripandet-av-assange-v-cker-allvarliga-fr-gor-om-den-svenska-r-ttsstate

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Lavazza December 8, 2010 at 01:04

Here’s an article about the women’s lawyer. The other partner in his law firm is our former Minister of Justice, who for the moment is living in the US (I think his wife is teaching at MIT and that he’s a SAHD).

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Lavazza December 8, 2010 at 01:04

Forgot the link.

http://rixstep.com/2/1/20101122,02.shtml

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Avenger December 8, 2010 at 02:18

We don’t have a jury system in Sweden (no peers allowed),

The Swedes were never too smart. At least in England the jurors have a healthy distrust of the government and the prosecutors and will nullify the law when they see fit. Even Russia has a jury system now that the communists are gone and had a jury system even in the 1800′s under the Tsar before the Bolshevics took over. I can even recall the trial in the novel the Brothers Karamazov and there was a jury.

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terre December 8, 2010 at 04:20

Seriously, I have no idea why Wolf is getting all this great press. Where was she when the last few thousand men were falsely smeared with rape charges? Sure, Interpol getting involved is absurd, but what does that even say about her own position? Rape is serious enough that any man accused should be considered guilty until found innocent, but not serious enough that Interpol should play any part?

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Ragnar December 8, 2010 at 04:57

Just google images; “Anna Ardin + Sofia Wilén” if you want to see their pictures.

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Migu December 8, 2010 at 05:13

3dshooter,

You’re probably right. At least there will be sheep to sheer and lamb to eat though eh?

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Arpagus December 8, 2010 at 05:26

@Avenger

Abolishing the jury is pushed by feminists as a way to get more men convicted for rape in Norway, too. Probably only a matter of time, as we are usually just a few years behind Sweden in adopting extremist feminist measures. Took us ten years to criminalize johns but not whores after Sweden did it, for example.

Unless this case really portends a backlash and the turning of the tide. I didn’t think I’d live to see a rape accuser get more derision than sympathy and people laugh at the very feminist legal definition of rape itself, but it is happening now. Most people don’t take these accusations seriously even if they are true and it does not even tarnish a man’s reputation to be called a rapist under this definition. That’s progress!

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Keyster December 8, 2010 at 08:21

I don’t think the rest of the world understands what a known farce “rape accusation” is in Sweden. It’s so over the top that it’s a joke within the country. All a woman has to do is say she was talked into (coerced) into having sex and that is considered a form of rape. It’s a FemiNazi State.

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SingleDad December 8, 2010 at 08:32

@ Keyster

We in the US know that Sweden is the testing groung for all the most wacky feminazi’s but no jury system, and people live like that???

No wonder the feminazi’s choose sweden as their testing ground. I have never had an urge to visit there and now I know I never will.

I think any man, like Assanage who visits there, and especially if they meet someone there they like will be committing suicide.

That Assange didn’t know to avoid such a nasty place says something about his naivte.

Like Obama he’s a typical mangina, preening for females attention while putting his d&*k in a blender.

I still dont’ think he deserves what he is getting, I will never blame a male victim of feminism. But, this is a cautionary tale for anyone who is male and considering visiting sweden.

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Clydesdale December 8, 2010 at 08:48

Robert December 8, 2010 at 00:39

Notice how the faces of his accusers are digitally obscurred in the pictures.

Well, actually that’s an improvement.

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SingleDad December 8, 2010 at 09:01

@Clydesdale

It’s funny, I used to find women who looked like that attractive. Now, after seeing them for who whey are, they look no more attractive than those bearded Immams. Because that’s who they are, beardless femi-Immams and her academic affliliations makes the analogy more pointed. She is placed in charge of teaching the next generation.

Sweden is on messed up place.

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SingleDad December 8, 2010 at 09:03

@ Arpagus

If you do emigrate, let us know how it goes.

We truley need an underground railroad to help men make the transition to a better way of life.

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jamesEQ December 8, 2010 at 09:05

Something is in the air. It is interesting to note that one of the leading feminist thinkers, Naomi Wolf, is starting to detect that feminist inspired laws are being abused. Of course this piece has horrified the less mentally nimble, more earthbound members of the feminist cult


Dear Interpol:

As a longtime feminist activist, I have been overjoyed to discover your new commitment to engaging in global manhunts to arrest and prosecute men who behave like narcissistic jerks to women they are dating.
[snip]
(Of course, as a feminist, I am also pleased that the alleged victims are using feminist-inspired rhetoric and law to assuage what appears to be personal injured feelings. That’s what our brave suffragette foremothers intended!).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.html

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jamesEQ December 8, 2010 at 09:14

On a related pointed, another demonstration that feminism is about female supremacy is this thread

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/12/06/some-thoughts-on-sex-by-surprise/#comments

The OP Jill wrote,

‘ [snip] Consenting to one kind of sexual act doesn’t mean that you consent to anything else your partner wants to do; if it’s agreed that the only kind of sex we’re having is with a condom, then it does remove an element of consent to have sex without a condom with only one partner’s knowledge.’

27 sacundim 12.6.2010 at 9:03 pm

I can definitely agree on the withdrawal of consent comments.
I know the rest of what I have to say is going to sound a bit MRAish, but bear with me for a minute. I’m a bit concerned about the concept of consent conditioned on the use of a condom. I don’t really follow what argument is made here; I don’t know if the argument is about withdrawal of consent during the act because the man is not using a condom, or about invalidation of consent that was given at the time of the act because of the use of false assurances to obtain it.
It really sounds like under one reading, a man could accuse a woman of rape if she falsely told him she was on the pill, arguing that his consent to sex was conditional on her use of the pill. That just doesn’t sound right.
The difference between these two situations, to my mind, comes from the fact that women are made to bear the consequences of pregnancy far more than men, and that countless men enjoy and exploit this privilege that they have over women. I.e., the lie about using a condom usually has an element or overtone of maliciousness or violence that the analogous lie about the pill just falls short of; the woman who lies about the pill is probably still getting the short end of the stick no matter what. But I think that a pure consent-based framework seems to miss this gendered power asymmetry.
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‘It really sounds like under one reading, a man could accuse a woman of rape if she falsely told him she was on the pill, arguing that his consent to sex was conditional on her use of the pill. That just doesn’t sound right.

30 Jill 12.6.2010 at 9:21 pm
Sacundim, I think that’s a fair comment, and I appreciate how you’ve phrased it — it doesn’t come off as MRA-ish. The difference, to me, is the bodily harm element. A man not wearing a comment when he claims to have been wearing a condom attaches a degree of bodily harm to his partner that doesn’t exist with birth control — it means she could get an STI, or become pregnant; it means that she wanted a physical barrier between their skin that was not there. That’s different, I think, than saying you’re protected from getting pregnant yourself when you aren’t. (That said, I do think there should be civil remedies for women lying about being on birth control — it would be almost impossible to prove, but if you can show that it actually did you real harm, ok, sue; but the standards for criminal punishment should be higher).
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Laughing at the clear inequality and manifest female supremacy of the reasoning,I wrote the following

Jill
You wrote in the OP, ‘Consenting to one kind of sexual act doesn’t mean that you consent to anything else your partner wants to do; if it’s agreed that the only kind of sex we’re having is with a condom, then it does remove an element of consent to have sex without a condom with only one partner’s knowledge.’

I agree. A woman consenting to PIV sex with a condom DOES NOT mean a woman is also consenting to PIV sex without a condom. The charge would rightfully be rape.

And So, a man consenting to PIV sex if woman says shes on the pill DOES NOT mean a man is also consenting to PIV sex if she has not taken the pill. The charge equally, is of rape.

The man would not have consented if the woman had been honest that she wasn’t on the pill. It is rape. It is rape

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jamesEQ December 8, 2010 at 09:21

the uni student that Anna Ardin accussed of sexual harrassment because he was looking down at his notes!?! lol. surely this man can be found and interviewed publically.

This would cast Anna Ardin’s recollections in even more doubt than currently held

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PeterTheGreat December 8, 2010 at 09:26

Just tripped over this on the net: Revealed: Assange ‘rape’ accuser linked to notorious CIA operative

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

I guess there is a lot more to all this than meets the eye.

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PeterTheGreat December 8, 2010 at 09:31

Here is an apropos article both for Assange and the MRM:

Illuminati Use Women to Destroy a Man by Henry Makow, Ph.D.

http://www.henrymakow.com/how_a_woman_can_destroy_a_man.html

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Richard December 8, 2010 at 09:37

Somebody said something to me last night that struck a chord in me:

“If our government is doing things that need to be kept secret – they should not be doing those things in the first place”.

Seriously… What kind of things would the government be doing that need to be kept secret? Torture? Extortion?

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Robert December 8, 2010 at 11:17

Rapes and assaults are two of the powerful weapons that ” modern empowered” women have, due to feminism, in their arsenal to ruin/destroy men’s lives. All forms of government back them up ( ” The victim must be believed” ). All forms of government turn their blinded eyes away from both; men who are victims and men who are victims. Can anyone say; so much for REAL equality? Look at the Hoffstra case and the Duke lacrosse “rape cases” .

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Robert December 8, 2010 at 11:19

1. murder
2. rape
3. assault

VAWA

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Robert December 8, 2010 at 11:21

From what I gather these are “equally interchangeable”/”related” according to feminism/feminists.

Not all feminits are women.

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Robert December 8, 2010 at 11:24

The real shame for misusing/using/perverting True Justice ARE feminists, no matter what type of feminists they are.

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thehermit December 8, 2010 at 11:59

There are no “types” of feminism.
The main thesis of feminism is: Women were and are opressed by some mysterious male conspiracy.

If you believe in it, you’re a feminist (and a loonie)

If you don’t buy it, you’re not, it’s that simple.

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Firepower December 8, 2010 at 12:03

Richard December 8, 2010 at 09:37
“If our government is doing things that need to be kept secret – they should not be doing those things in the first place”.

bingo

Seriously… What kind of things would the government be doing that need to be kept secret? Torture? Extortion?

Keeping the Underground Railroad of Illegals open to breed more Anchor Babies to keep the Democrat Party alive for another generatione.

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Gx1080 December 8, 2010 at 17:26
tom47 December 8, 2010 at 17:38

Interesting how this story exemplifies everything we talk about here from false rape charges to conspiracies. The following link is from AOL of all places and seems to indicate the BS about the accusations has not gone unnoticed.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/lawyer-julian-assange-faces-tough-climate-in-feminist-friendly-sweden/19752346

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Clydesdale December 8, 2010 at 17:47

SingleDad December 8, 2010 at 09:01

@Clydesdale

It’s funny, I used to find women who looked like that attractive. Now, after seeing them for who whey are, they look no more attractive than those bearded Immams.

My comment was an off-the-cuff attempt at cheap humor, but you make an important point.

A major milestone in growing up is developing the ability to see an attractive, even beautiful, woman for the person she really is. Most of us learn the hard way.

Objectively, neither of these women is repulsive on a physical level. But the evil that lurks within masks all else.

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Anonymous Protagonist December 8, 2010 at 18:45

Keeping the Underground Railroad of Illegals open to breed more Anchor Babies to keep the Democrat Party alive for another generation.

Someone gets it.

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CashingOut December 8, 2010 at 19:58

Somebody said something to me last night that struck a chord in me:

“If our government is doing things that need to be kept secret – they should not be doing those things in the first place”.

Seriously… What kind of things would the government be doing that need to be kept secret? Torture? Extortion?

Honestly: weapons development, spying on other beligerent countries, preparing to serve warrants on real actual terrorists.

Unfortunately, there is an argument for all of the government’s business not needing to be out on Front street for everyone to see. When dealing with our sworn enemies, we can’t presume that the power of truth and justice will protect us. And before anyone goes “well our founding fathers…” please point out one instance to me where George Washington, Francis Marion, Ethan Allen, or anyother general or leader in the Revolutionary War felt the need to broadcast their offensive or logistical plans to the enemy in the name of honesty and openness?

I really don’t think it is that hard to make the argument that some secrets do need to be kept. Not necessarily the ones that currently are being kept, but some things do need to stay secret.

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W.F. Price December 8, 2010 at 20:27

I really don’t think it is that hard to make the argument that some secrets do need to be kept. Not necessarily the ones that currently are being kept, but some things do need to stay secret.

-Cashing Out

Sure, secrecy is often necessary. But doesn’t it strike you as a bit odd that the US, which has the most sophisticated intelligence apparatus in the world, cannot even prevent these sensitive documents from being leaked? We have Echelon, we have the latest in encryption, we have a compartmentalized CIA, and yet somehow this guy from Australia managed to get his hands on all this info…

Obviously, there’s some internal issue there.

Personally, I’m very skeptical about Assange being a master hacker whose skills are too much for the US to handle. Either our competency is seriously overrated, or someone deliberately made the info easy to steal. Could be either one, but I’m guessing the latter.

And the CIA being angry about it doesn’t change my mind one bit. It could easily have been someone in another department – the Pentagon for example – who left the info sitting out there in plain view. The US is a big country after all, and all it takes is a few people to cause this kind of trouble.

Robert December 8, 2010 at 23:40

Lawyer: Assange Faces ‘Tough Climate’ in Feminist-Friendly Sweden
Submitted by anthony on Wed, 2010-12-08 22:01.
Article here. Excerpt:

‘(Dec. 8) — Julian Assange, facing extradition to Sweden on sex crime allegations, may be in more trouble than he realizes in a country where feminism is a powerful force and courts often favor the woman in rape cases, one of the country’s top defense lawyers said today.

Borgstrom, who represents Assange’s two accusers, insisted in a news conference today that the allegations against the WikiLeaks founder are legitimate and not set up by the CIA or the U.S. government. Borgstrom’s website was hacked by WikiLeaks supporters and unavailable for most of the day.

One of Assange’s two accusers is also known for her strong feminist views, having once written a treatise on how to take revenge on men. Both she and Borgstrom have been active in the Social Democratic Party.

“Some of the laws regarding rape are rather extreme, and the way they are applied in court is sometimes unbelievable,” Samuelson told AOL News. “To be accused of a sex crime in Sweden is considered very serious. Swedish courts tend to believe what the woman says.”‘

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/16039

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/lawyer-julian-assange-faces-tough-climate-in-feminist-friendly-sweden/19752346

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thehermit December 8, 2010 at 23:45

We have Echelon, we have the latest in encryption, we have a compartmentalized CIA, and yet somehow this guy from Australia managed to get his hands on all this info…

Humans are working with all this staff, and humans are the weakest chain links.

Either our competency is seriously overrated, or someone deliberately made the info easy to steal. Could be either one, but I’m guessing the latter.

Or both.

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CashingOut December 8, 2010 at 23:54

@ W.F. Price

So far as whether this was intentional or not, I agree: it probably was intentional, 100%. There was an article in the news just a few hours ago about dumpsters of sensitive NASA data being found. It seems like every other month we’re hearing about sensitive laptops being “lost” or “found in the trash.” It’s not hard for me to imagine that those cases we see on the news where sensitive information was found about to go into the garbage, or in the landfill, was actually a case of an honest person bumbling upon a boon meant for someone more sinister, and circumstance just got there first.

My statement was a response to what I thought was the naieve statement that “the government shouldn’t be doing anything secret.” I am no government kissass, but I can easily think of things that the government would need to perform or know, that the public at large should not know about. To say that the data was about malicious activities, merely because it was being kept secret, and that we should therefore broadcast it to the whole world does not follow for me. If secrets in the name of the public are always bad, then arguably Assange should have said that he was broadcasting from 221B Baker Street or wherever else he was, and taken the consequences, whatever they were.

I haven’t read every single cable that has been released, os I can’t say whether it was a good thing that all of these cables were released or not yet. I am just arguing against the blanket statement that a secret is automatically equivalent to a lie or a misdeed.

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SingleDad December 9, 2010 at 08:34

Maybe we in the MRM should do a places rating system for counties in which it is unsafe to be male.

I’m pretty sure sweden (no caps on purpose) would top this list.

Any ideas on what criteria should be used. For visits, things like rape laws and court systems should clearly be on the list.

At least men could be forewarned so they don’t fall into traps like Assanage did.

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F.M.R December 9, 2010 at 18:10

hey guys, take a look at this

http://feministing.com/2010/12/09/wikileaks-roundup/#more-27880

according to our feminist friends, assange may not be a rapist, but he deserves to be in prison right now with no bail, and to top it off, we shouldnt be mad at the accusers even if its false and baseless.

everybody makes mistakes guys.

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Joeb December 15, 2010 at 19:44

Today I got a message from Michel Moore explaining why he posted the bond for Julian Assange, It was music to my ears . I think most of the world see’s this as a fraud . The Question Id ask myself Is can feminist put anyone in Jail . Even Me. If so I guess Tommy Chong was right when He said a friend asked him what it was like in Jail , He replied ” don’t worry you will find out. meaning All males will get a free trip to the reprogramming centers if left up to the feminists.

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