Obama’s Domestic Violence Initiative: Hope, Hype, and Hogwash

by Featured Guest on November 23, 2010

By Carey Roberts

Desperate times call for desperate measures. So shortly before the November 2 elections, Barack Obama pulled out all the stops to woo the fading female electorate, unveiling a multi-pronged effort to “end domestic violence against women,” as the president theatrically called it. But did the president’s 5-point initiative deliver on the goods?

Let’s begin with Obama’s Hope about “ending” domestic violence. Folks, let’s get real – the only way to put a stop to partner aggression – think Blondie chasing Dagwood with her rolling pin at the ready — would be to separate men and women at birth and ship them off to opposite corners of the universe.

But wait! It turns out domestic violence is twice as high among lesbians as among heterosexual married couples. Well, scratch that idea.

If the hopey-hopey routine doesn’t do the trick, let’s turn to the Hype. And here, Tinker Bell’s magic wand sparkles with a wondrous gleam.

Because President Obama has taken to casting a spell on women with this Abuse Fairy Tale: Take a piece of paper and inscribe the words, “Stay away, you big meanie!” Sprinkle Pixie Dust, and now call it a Restraining Order.

And the would-be ravisher of women will slink away, knowing her magical scroll has the amazing power to ward off bullets, knives, and any other conceivable weapon of mass destruction.

Seriously, there’s not a scrap of research that shows restraining orders deter violence, but this is what President Obama’s “Fact Sheet” claims with a straight face: “Protective orders are effective in reducing the level of violence.”

Once the woman comes to believe that piece of paper will ward off the Abuse Demons, the Protector-in-Chief will conjure up a copy of A Woman’s Guide to Green Jobs. According to the Department of Labor website, the Guide will “aid in increasing women’s access to high-growth and emerging industry occupations in the green jobs section nationwide.”

That and the Jolly Green Giant.

Enough Hype? Now on to the Hogwash!

Folks, this is really the best part. But before we plunge any farther into President Obama’s domestic violence rabbit hole, let’s get a firm grip on reality. (For the skeptics, I’m providing the links below.)

In the area of child abuse, the federal Administration for Children and Families somberly notes, “In 2008, approximately 56% of child abuse and child neglect perpetrators were women and 42% were men.” http://faq.acf.hhs.gov/cgi-bin/acfrightnow.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=70

As far as dating violence, girls win the battle of sexes hands down. According to a national survey by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, 9% of teenage girls, compared to 11% of adolescent boys, have been slapped, hit, or otherwise hurt by their opposite-sex partner: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5704a1.htm, Table 11.

And in a landmark 2007 article published in the American Journal of Public Health, Centers for Disease Control researchers reported 7 out of 10 instigators of one-way partner violence are…can we break the spell?…female: http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full

Scholarly research echoes the same theme: “Women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners,” according to a recent summary of 275 studies by California State University researcher Martin Feibert, PhD.

The evidence is conclusive: Government surveys and scholarly research point to members of the Fairer Sex as the persons who are more likely to abuse. But not a single word of the president’s carefully orchestrated White House event even hinted as to the existence of aggressive women or abused men.

The truth about female-initiated violence should be vexatious to persons who fancy themselves the champions of women. Because if the abuse escalates, it’s more likely the female who will be harmed. As CDC lead researcher Daniel Whitaker explains, “a woman’s perpetration of violence was the strongest predictor of her being a victim of partner violence.”

So in a sane world, we would get more help for stressed-out moms, teach conflict resolution skills to teenage girls, and provide drug and alcohol treatment for violence-prone women. We might even devise a few programs to help abused men.

According to a 2006 Harris Poll, 88% of Americans have seen or heard of a male abuse victim in the past year. So most voters, men and women alike, will view the Administration’s domestic violence initiative as a cynical political ploy.

But Barack Obama is seemingly enamored of a different logic: As long as we can sway unsuspecting women into believing their husband is a closet batterer, we can justify the unfettered governmental intrusion into the private affairs of citizens, and the continued expansion of the power of the state.

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Andrew November 23, 2010 at 10:03

It turns out domestic violence is twice as high among lesbians as among heterosexual married couples…

Food for thought…

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 10:07

Yet again, many here will boast of “the progress” men and mrm is making, then turn to kill the messenger when it’s pointed out that no less than the President of the United States feels comfortable in continuing to propose yet another injustice.

If you want to see how it’s done – how actions create initiative – watch Liberals and Obama. They are not relegated to carping on forums.

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Robert in Arabia November 23, 2010 at 10:16

While driving a taxi one summer night in Amerikwa, I had two lesbian passengers. The petite one droned on about how last boyfriend was such a brute until the large one told her to shut up.

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Andrew November 23, 2010 at 10:20

Many here obviously don’t measure “progress” according to the dictates of the ‘President of the United States’…
Progress in the MRM is measured differently…knowledge, growing awareness, increasing numbers…’getting things done’, starting on a personal level.

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Migu November 23, 2010 at 10:25

Why don’t you grab a shovel firepower.

You are the one carping shitstain. Nitpicking your way to oblivion. STFU already.

Cue carping from cuntfirepower.

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 10:26

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WOW November 23, 2010 at 10:29

Is there a reputable link/study on lesbian violence being twice as high? That is a link that should be posted ad nauseum on every DV spewing hate site out there.

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John November 23, 2010 at 10:31

Can we have the source on the “domestic violence among lesbians is twice as high as straight women” stat?

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NWOslave November 23, 2010 at 10:39

Accountability. This is the key to DV. Women, backed by the gun’s of Big Daddy Guv are simply immune to any retaliation or punishment.

The more law’s enacted giving women the infamous “pussy pass” the more violent they will become.

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NWOslave November 23, 2010 at 10:49

Firepower said……..If you want to see how it’s done – how actions create initiative – watch Liberals and Obama. They are not relegated to carping on forums.

Thats true to a point, when the Media, Guv and Corporation’s (Try reading the Rockefeller Foundation on population on control and who fund’s feminism. Plus the CIA funding NOW) are against you, the fight isn’t quite as easy as submitting a few petition’s.

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SingleDad November 23, 2010 at 10:51

Dude, I feel sorry for Barak. He has been screwed, glued and tattoo’d by his feminist handlers.

I mean I never expected him to be a leader. He is not old enough, experienced enough or smart enough and he doesn’t have the stones of someone like Bill Clinton or Kennedy.

They would be f’ing Shakira in the oval office right now.

Barry can’t even get his wife to be on the same continent with him during his Birthday. LOL.

And see his kids, pleeease. The minute he’s out of office she’s filing and he will be known to his daughters as that a–hole who f– the country and f— they’re lives over. No good. I’d be surprised if Michelle doesn’t file false DV charges. They would stick. He may be President but he’s a man first.

I got more attention on my birthday and I’m a single parent with no friends because, in LA, being a single parent means the singles won’t hang and the marrieds won’t hang.

But dang, I do better than Barry.

And the females, they can’t wait to get rid of him. Read Salon or Slate, they hate him.

Why? He’s a beta. He doesn’t bring home the bacon. That’s all they care about. If he’s not bringing home the bacon, they’ll kick him out just like they would kick one of us out if we lost our jobs.

Now he’s reading a script handed to him by NOW who is actively planning his defeat.

They would like to get Hitlary but would settle for momma grizzly as long as she brings those criters she kills back to be cooked up for dinner.

Women will not have your back. So, watch it Barry, the knives are out.

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Paradoxotaur November 23, 2010 at 10:53

“Find the logical error in my statement”

EZ PZ- the false presumption that we are “relegated to carping on forums”. You have no idea of what I or others here do beyond this forum.

Only slightly OT (from MNDs’ Interview with Warren Farrell, Int’l Men’s Day, part 5): “And then the White House Council: we’re working a proposal – I’ve created a commission of 30 thought leaders around the country to create a White House Council on Boys to Men. That proposal is being worked through many channels at both the White House and other places right as we speak. And so that’s – I have to sort of keep that under wraps for a while – but only of which is to say there is a White Council on Women and Girls, and we’re hoping that there will also be one that recognises that instead of just caring about whales we’ll also care about males in the future.”

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:04

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SingleDad November 23, 2010 at 11:06

Yes Firepower, we don’t talk about our activism here. No intel to the enemy. This place is purely for putting forward our positions.

But there are many active groups, I like Fathers and Families or the National Coalition of free men. I am involved in both.

Come on in, the waters hot, but at least your out of the frying pan.

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:08

NWOslave November 23, 2010 at 10:49

Firepower said……..If you want to see how it’s done – how actions create initiative – watch Liberals and Obama. They are not relegated to carping on forums.

Thats true to a point, when the Media, Guv and Corporation’s (Try reading the Rockefeller Foundation on population on control and who fund’s feminism. Plus the CIA funding NOW) are against you, the fight isn’t quite as easy as submitting a few petition’s.

You might try mimicking the successful tactics of a victorious Left that conquered (and wields) such formidable allies as Media, Government and Corporations before rooting out another “traitor.”

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Richard November 23, 2010 at 11:08

I did some brief research on the lesbian relationships:

Lesbian Relationships are More Dangerous for Women

The research I found:

35% of lesbian relationships experience violence.

23.6% of straight relationships experience violence.

The references are a bit shakey – but it was all I could find – AND – it does show that lesbian relationships are more prone to violence than straight relationships.

I also found that:

20% of gay-men relationships experience violence.

I thought the research did hint that women are more prone to violence in general…

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:12

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SingleDad November 23, 2010 at 11:15

I just think it’s interesting that women gave the reins of their Union, NOW, to lesbians. And the open secret is: Lesbians are violent! The horror!

That would be like us here at the Spear Head finding some real woman hating gay guys and making them be in charge of handeling the women.

I have to say, the idea sounds appealing.

But kinda mean. Those Ameriskanks are very mean girls.

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Malestrom November 23, 2010 at 11:17

”But wait! It turns out domestic violence is twice as high among lesbians as among heterosexual married couples. Well, scratch that idea.”

I’ve always found this interesting. I always wonder if this is due to women’s innate nature or because they know that there are will be zero legal consequences for their behaviour, whereas a man knows that he will have his balls nailed to the wall if he’s violent towards a woman.

What do you guys think?

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:18

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SingleDad November 23, 2010 at 11:20

@ Firepower

If you’ve read my other posts, one I put today on another thread, I personally don’t think we can turn this around. I’m still trying though.

But if you want results you’ll have to vote with your feet, IMO, emigrate.

But my opinion is worth as much as that TP in your bathroom.

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:25

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CashingOut November 23, 2010 at 11:26

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101123/ts_yblog_thelookout/woman-who-questioned-obamas-handling-of-economy-at-town-hall-is-laid-off

Yeah, this guy isn’t getting reelected in 2012. Good riddance too I say.

As for the whole brouhaha over Firepower, I don’t really see why everyone is so surprised: this guy has been a professional troll from day 1, and his attempts to participate in actual conversation are transparent as hell. This is no surprise whatsoever.

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tweell November 23, 2010 at 11:27

The information about lesbian domestic violence is buried in this report:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:34

SingleDad November 23, 2010 at 11:20

@ Firepower

If you’ve read my other posts, one I put today on another thread, I personally don’t think we can turn this around. I’m still trying though.

But if you want results you’ll have to vote with your feet, IMO, emigrate.

But my opinion is worth as much as that TP in your bathroom.

You have a distinct quality in seeing the complexities of my posts.
I agree the Disease from which we suffer is near malignancy now. Almost terminal.

The state is so bad today from neglect of our fathers (and our own inaction), it has indeed degenerated to either do or die for us. The time for talk and monday morning quarterbacking is done and those that cannot see that and hang on to the luxury of talk are part of the problem.

Youth was once the wellspring of revolution – the ultimate salvation – but today is is a besotted, propagandized, brainwashed anchor around the neck of Justice.

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Lara November 23, 2010 at 11:41

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WGMOW November 23, 2010 at 11:42

“So in a sane world, we would get more help for stressed-out moms, teach conflict resolution skills to teenage girls, and provide drug and alcohol treatment for violence-prone women. We might even devise a few programs to help abused men.”

This will not reduce female on male violence, nor female child abuse. As long as females know that men are not equal under the law they will continue to abuse and injure. Almost all females know very well that they are rarely prosecuted for domestic violence. In fact, even if physical evidence shows that the man was assaulted (e.g. bruises, cuts, burns, torn clothing) all she need do is say to any responding policeman “He hit me,” and even in the total absence of physical evidence that the female was abused, it is the man who will be handcuffed, hauled off to jail, and barred from returning to his home.

If I were a man who lived with a violent female I would install a surveillance system in my home to record what went on in every room. If he was attacked he would then have the evidence that would prove his innocence and her guilt.

And by the way, there is another “H” word that applies to Obama’s program: Horseshit. Actual horseshit is, of course, useful at times. It makes great fertilizer and you can grow squash and melons on it. The Obamanation horseshit grows bureaucracy. I’d rather have the squash…

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Lara November 23, 2010 at 11:43

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:45

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 11:48

Lara November 23, 2010 at 11:43

Why don’t you handle your own women rather than let other men do it?

Because it would be decreed domestic violence, and prison would ensue.

Why don’t you drop the vague “handle” lure and state what you really mean.

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CashingOut November 23, 2010 at 12:11

The fact I have been a member here since the first day, Wed Nov 11, 2009, and have over 359 posts speaks volumes about your childishly accusing me of being a troll.

Males like you will be here a year from now, still queefing about the latest Outrage!

Still shackled – still bleating.

So that kind of begs the question then, if you’ve been here for a year and you’ve put in so much time on this blog, what are YOU doing about this? Apparently it seems that it is you who is sitting around, queefing, shackled, and bleating while other people live their lives, effect change, and shovel the gravel. I haven’t seen you do shit here except make blanket statements about minorities, toss out various, irrelevant insults to the ones you particularly don’t like, whine about how they’re keeping you down, and occassionally pretend to have a logical conversation. So really, since you’re pissing on everyone to “do” something, what value are you adding to the fucking fraternity?

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 12:13

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CashingOut November 23, 2010 at 12:21

@Firepower:

Well then, there’s the fucking door, by all means take a flying leap through it you cuntwipe. I am a hell of a cynic when it comes to this thing, but the posters are correct when they say that it’s a personal thing, and if you aren’t willing to shovel your own gravel, then no one else will for you. If everyone here disgusts you why not start your own board. I believe that that would be for the best anyway, as we can seperate the MEN’S Rights Activists from the (Insert Race Here) Men’s Right’s Activists, which as has already been discussed on another topic, basically reduces down to (Insert Race Here) Bitching.

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SingleDad November 23, 2010 at 12:21

But, ya know, you can talk about how ineffective we are, how stupid we are and all that stuff, but at least we all agree there’s a problem here.

Think about Barry. Do you think he doesn’t read. I mean, even on regular web sites men no longer believe this stuff.

How big of a fool do you think he must feel for saying this stuff that I can’t really imagine he doesn’t know is horse shit.

At least we’re not as bad as him.

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Malestrom November 23, 2010 at 12:22

Most of you disgust me. You are too dim to even realize your whining means not one tiny bit to those in power – those who stomp your heads daily while you obediently tote that barge…lift that bale.

Maybe you have been propagandized by your public skool teachurs and are the predicted result of all that brainwashing. Maybe you all were raised by single mommies.

Either way, you are akin to a load of yowling UAW types who bellow futilely while the ship sinks. No man of any merit would want you next to him in the trenches.

Which is why, even yet another year from now all your touted “actions” will ring hollow in the midst of a thousand posts on how some new law heaps yet another indignity on your dainty, empty heads.

I normally simply ignore your bile Firepower but i just have to ask this here:

Who is this ”you” you keep referring to? You say it as though you’re some kind of outsider, who has just popped by here in a gap in his busy schedule of kicking ass and fixing civilization to tell us what a bunch of useless whiners we are. But the fact is as you point out you’ve been here since day one.

So again, who is this ”you”? Surely you mean ”we”?

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 12:28

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NWOslave November 23, 2010 at 12:28

Firepower you say….What you need is to determine how “men” lost the guns to a bunch of women. Then, maybe…you can get those guns back.

Apparently you missed school the day they taught what “Marxism” is and where “Feminism” comes from.

The communist manifesto is the same as the feminist manifesto, destroy the family and replace it with Big Daddy Guv. Note the similarities, they both have the same agenda. Men are the new “Bourgeios/oppressor class” and women are the “Peasant/victim class.” Men can never be victim’s and women can never be oppressor’s.

DV laws, no fault divorce, Affirmative Action, (the barely defeated Paycheck Fairness Act, which will return), ect. to the N’th degree are designed to transfer wealth and power from men to women. All these statute’s are communism. What, did you think they were going to say it’s something bad their enacting?

Women, allied with the GLBT, along with a bunch of mangina’s and white knight’s and all the lawyer’s form an unbeatable voting bloc. Plus they have the backing of the Guv, the UN and praises/propaganda from the mass media.

Here’s a link to the rape laws which basically strip a man of “innocence until proven guilty”…http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/rape-laws-no-due-process

Now if I was to march up to the capitol tommorow and say this is unfair, they could lock me up without batting an eye. The media could spin a story that I’m an Al Qaeda operative and slap fake beard and turban on my picture and the whole country would be screaming for my blood.

So if you think walking up to Mr. Guv and the media and the lawyers and saying, “golly fellah’s you’re being real mean, you oughta be nicer because it’s not fair.” I got a new’s flash for ya, that ain’t gonna work.

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TFH November 23, 2010 at 12:32

Strike force time!!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/111393/the-case-against-remarriage?mod=fidelity-managingwealth&mwp_success=NONJS_POST_SUCCESS#mwpphu-container

Here is a Yahoo Finance article that teaches women how to screw over men for more alimony, and the comments are filled with women who say all men are ‘deadbeat dads’.

Go over there and invade the comments section. Do it!!!!

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Stickman November 23, 2010 at 12:34

AH HA another post to get yelled at on …

in referring to the actual post. a restraint order is beyond useless as a tool to stop abuse of women but a GREAT tool for the abuse of men. women will get the dang thing, kick the guy out of his own home and then set him up for pitfalls so he gets arrested. if a person really wanted to do you harm having a slip of paper wont defend you… unless its maby a gun permit. and on that note. restraining orders are like gun laws. they only work against the people you don’t need them for.

also as a bit of balance i wonder if anybody has the DV stats for gay males?

@ FIREPOWER
i would like to submit that the libs and Obama do a fine job of shoving their agenda down our collective gullets. but the reason they are doing so well is because they have had a 30 or more year’s head start on us. and as others have mentioned the support of the 90%ish of the media.
i will admit these forums seem like a big winefest but its got to start someplace. hell maybe THE idea or THE leader will come from all this. things will never change if people dont bitch. as we all can see everyday the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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Stickman November 23, 2010 at 12:34
@ FIREPOWER
i would like to submit that the libs and Obama do a fine job of shoving their agenda down our collective gullets. but the reason they are doing so well is because they have had a 30 or more year’s head start on us. and as others have mentioned the support of the 90%ish of the media.

Agreed.
Hitler and Goebbels had approximately one-third that time. Nobody there ever “rose up” against them – and it ultimately took the entire societal, cultural destruction of generations…to end up there today…with pernicious Socialism – minus the genocide. Unless, that genocide could be aimed at males.

After 30 years of brainwashing, the State can use those 30 year-old parents to brainwash their own kids – free of charge.

You see the ranting results here each day.

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Stickman November 23, 2010 at 12:49

GUYS … all this in fighting is just what THEY would want … busy fighting each other than them.

@FIREPOWER

obviously you have given this some thought …. what are you suggesting be the next step. i would rather see people fighting over WHAT it should be rather than if it should be done

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Andrew November 23, 2010 at 12:52

I can’t stand when the occasional person comes on here and says we should bring in Sharia law or some other backwards culture that oppresses women just to put women in their place. Why don’t you handle your own women rather than let other men do it?”

Guys…since we’ve been talking recently about women’s bleating on here being used as practice for younger or ill informed men…can we use the above as an exemplar? She “can’t stand…?”…for a relative newcomer, it doesn’t take these broads long to attempt to move in here and set up their shoe closets.
Attempting to manipulate and shame the white western male into hating ‘the other?…by coming like a Stormfront broad?
Listen dame…nah…second thoughts, I’m not even gonna address her…guys I don’t even have to point out her manipulative prose to you…but let’s not allow these femmes to derail the thread…at least not as much as before.

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@ FIREPOWER

Hitler and Goebbels had approximately one-third that time. Nobody there ever “rose up” against them – and it ultimately took the entire societal, cultural destruction of generations…to end up there today…with pernicious Socialism – minus the genocide. Unless, that genocide could be aimed at males.

this is true but remember he was working in an environment that was primed for someone like him to come along the defeat of wwI and the HUGE depression they were facing at the time he just sorta nudged it in the direction he wanted it to go. also i think the speed that he was able to attain his goals was due to the extremes they went to sorta flash fried it into existence in juxtaposition the current road we have been traveling has been slow and steady. quiet, like the frog in boiling water analogy.

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Firepower November 23, 2010 at 13:07

Andrew November 23, 2010 at 12:52

lara said =Why don’t you handle your own women rather than let other men do it?”

I’ll already told her that “handling” in today’s twisted language means a prison sentence and felony conviction for the MALE alone.

I then asked her to define her terms – to define “handle”

…to which she demurely declined. Blatantly. Predictably.

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SingleDad November 23, 2010 at 13:11

With regard to our resident troll, be an activist, no a whiner, just click the red button. Click it enough times and the troll will disappear literally and figuratively.

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Stickman November 23, 2010 at 13:14

yes i know the answer. was hoping for another way.

Rome should not have to fall twice

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thehermit November 23, 2010 at 13:56

So sad that some people dare to call FP a troll.
He’s probably older and wiser than us.
The only thing i regret from my youth, that i never listened to older men.

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stickman November 23, 2010 at 14:57

@ Thehermit

agreed…

if i knew then what i know now…………

i would have gotten a hellava lot more ass!!!
but then i would realy been fu*ked … (rimshot)

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Lovekraft November 23, 2010 at 15:09

What the F is up with this Firepower ‘dude’???

He signs off to tell us that he’s off to buy a car? After taking shots at us for…?

What is up this guy’s butt?

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Lovekraft November 23, 2010 at 15:11

And, yes, I have read that he is a veteran of this ‘movement’. But to jump in and start pissing on people reeks of female emotion or power tripping.

So if I hang around long enough, I’ll be able to start tearing strips off you guys?

I like motivation as much as anyone else, but tone it down, dude. Infighting is not something we want the outsiders to observe.

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CashingOut November 23, 2010 at 16:18

@Lovekraft

And, yes, I have read that he is a veteran of this ‘movement’. But to jump in and start pissing on people reeks of female emotion or power tripping.

If it is a veteran, I haven’t seen it under that name, nor am I impressed by what the he-bitch has accomplished. This isn’t exactly my first MRA rodeo either (see what Zed has said in the past about taking hiatuses from the movement), and while I am not as long in the tooth as some of the other older brothers on here, I have been around, learning, stubbing my toes, getting there by trial and error, for a number of years now.

I like motivation as much as anyone else, but tone it down, dude. Infighting is not something we want the outsiders to observe.

I disagree. Unlike feminists, I will not agree with or endorse anyone just because they have a penis, especially people who are actively against my basic human rights. This is one of the things that makes me (and I believe many others) keep bounding out and in of the movement, and moving around. Understand that I am under no illusion that everyone has to be friends, buddies, or whatever. That will never happen, and that is one of the things that I stubbed my toes on in the past that I had to let go: arguing over things like PUAism, religion, various personal lifestyle choices, are for the most part pointless, because different people are going to live different lives and make different choices. If my acceptance of the great work of Men’s Rights is going to be predicated on that, then I’m wasting my time, because I will never make everyone agree with me, nor will I agree with everyone.

So one of the things that I’ve come to accept is that Men’s Rights ideally pertains to a very narrow, limited, but powerful set of rights and responsibilities that we accept as applying generally to all men, regardless of race, creed, color, nationality, as well as intelligence, attractiveness, popularity, or ability. Men’s Rights as I see them are one set of rights, responsibilities, and rules that are applied based on the choices that any given man makes, period. If you are a 190 IQ whiz kid, and you go and rob from some man and beat him and cause him not to be able to work, you are punished for your choice that you made, not according to how much potential you had, or how high your IQ is, or what color your skin is. On the flip side, if you’re Forest Gump, and, through hard work, and determination, you become a billionaire, you keep it, regardless of whether you’re a dumbass, inbred, inferior stock, whatever, because you earned it, you made the choices to get it and keep it. This is how I understand Men’s Rights ideally, and when this kind of Men’s Rights is being discussed, I can get behind it.

I have never heard Firepower discuss Men’s Rights, not once. I have heard him discuss how we need to have one set of rules for White people and throw everyone else into the pit. If he wants to be a White isolationist/supremacist/whatever fine, he can go be a White isolationist/whatever. Nobody tell me he’s for “Men’s” rights though. First off, I’m a man, a law abiding, hard working man who earns his keep, asks no quarter and gives none, helps thy neighbor, respects his community, abhors criminality and evil, and honors justice and good. Given that I did not come from a good family and had to learn and experience these things for myself, I think that if there is such a thing as innate character, that speaks to mine being far better than many of these milksops you see out here borin with ipods and smartphones in their mouths and running around out here raising hell because mommy and daddy didn’t get them a brand new car for their birthday. I believe that the same can be said of the majority, if not all, of the minority posters here. We are appalled at the situation of society, we are disgusted by it, we don’t buy the lies that are being fed to us and we’ve had enough.

However, without presuming to speak for every single one on the board, I think I can say that we have no interest in a movement that automatically dismisses us as men, regardless of our demonstrable character or the choices that we actually make. I personally have no interest in listening to a buffoon whose rebuttal to honest questions is “wash my car nigger monkey,” or whose understanding to the patterns of crime, violence, and dysfunctional government boild down to “niggers and spics ruin everything,” despite the large number of dysfunctional countries, failed states, and crime havens that are PURELY WHITE. I mean, shit, are Blacks and Hispanics responsible for Bosnia and Chechnya? Are they responsible for Georgia? Did Black people write the Communist manifesto? Are Hispanics causing the riots in Greece? When White people want to dismiss Black slavery (which is a whole nother topic), they are fond of pointing out that White people have oppressed, shat on, and abused White people for centuries (if not millenia), so Black people should just suck it up. Unfortunately, when you’re right about something, you’re right about that particular thing ALL THE TIME whether it’s what you intended to say or not, and as such, it follows that if White people have oppressed, shat on, and abused White people for centuries if not millenia, then that is clear proof that you don’t really need Black people or any other dark skinned minority to fuck it up for White people, do you?

Now, if someone wants to ignore that, and blame all of their problems on dark skinned people, and exclude them from the definition of “Men,” then fuck no, I don’t agree with this person, I will fight this person in front of a feminist or anyone else. That isn’t infighting, that is fighting with a person who is outside of my sphere of interests, who has nothing in common with me or anything I believe in. I will make no bones about this person not being my brother. I will not “pretend” to respect this person in the name of respecting freedom of speech and expression. If I do listen to them, it will be only to examine how scum thinks. So long as this person assumes that I am subhuman, then we have no common cause, and I have no reason to accept this person into the movement, or to try and coexist with them.

On another topic, these kind of people also do a disservice to Men’s Rights in general, because they force a whole bunch of unnecessary handwringing over and in defense of race. Minorities who would normally be glad to leave race at the door are forced to go into protracted defenses of said race when asses like these show up, and Whites are forced to go through a whole bunch of hand wringing verifying that they are not racist and such, thus taking processing and discussion time away from the issue at hand. Instead of discussing the meat of the article, we’re discussing whether or not Black people have tails. This person isn’t my brother, and I should hope that more people should wake up to see he is not theirs either.

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Andrew November 23, 2010 at 16:22

thehermit November 23, 2010 at 13:56, said…
“So sad that some people dare to call FP a troll.
He’s probably older and wiser than us.The only thing i regret from my youth, that i never listened to older men”.

No, no, no ‘thehermit’…give the guys on here some credit.
You know full well we listen to everyone on here, especially older men…if we accept that they are talking sense…something we can build on or that which can give us a new insight. Perhaps you feel we should aquiesce and nod our heads in agreement after someone tells us he’s ‘disgusted’ by most of us, we’re “dim”, “whining”, “propagandised”,”dainty empty heads”.
You know, wrong assumption after wrong assumption while claiming the superior higher moral ground and projecting onto us exactly what he’s doing (in regards to whining)…

But hey, Firepower doesn’t arouse any particular emotion in me…when he speaks sense I listen..and vote him up…but no, we don’t automatically listen to our ‘elders’…some of our ‘parents’ haven’t always done right by us…can we all say ‘Mother?’

Firepower’s race ‘concerns’…whether we disagree or not, the problem is that with him (and some others)…it’s so TRANSPARENT and obvious…that he has to find a way to interject the issue into almost every post..this makes him sound weak…like he has a lack of control over his own emotions regarding this issue…and is trying too hard to gain cameraderie and support for his viewpoint. We’re aware of the shortcomings of buzzwords like ‘diversity’…that he decides to use today instead of more offensive words that we’ve all heard…and not shocked by. Give us some credit,most on here don’t harp on about race because we’ll look divided and in respect to Welmer…we’re being watched here…like it or not.
Most men of integrity and honour know there’s something inherently wrong in the real world in judging a man , not by his own character and actions but by some old agenda…that was around even before Firepower.
FP!…perhaps you want to take your own advice and await private responses for your race issue?…unless you want to create a thread with a full and thorough exposition of your views?…I’ll listen.

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Hermitcrab November 23, 2010 at 17:07

I second CashingOut. The Spearhead has a clear purpose. It’s simple. Simple things last, simple causes can win people over quickly. Complicated ones collapse.

Keep it simple. Keep it focused. Hash out different grievances in different company.

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Rebel November 23, 2010 at 17:24

Why must there be laws regarding DV against women?

Why don’t we have laws that are against violence, pure and simple?

That’s illogical.

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Lara November 23, 2010 at 17:31

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Lara November 23, 2010 at 17:35

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tom47 November 23, 2010 at 18:30

Now, if someone wants to ignore that, and blame all of their problems on dark skinned people, and exclude them from the definition of “Men,” then fuck no,

This is really a major source of our problem, dark skinned men are lumped together with women as “minorities’,which leaves only white men as “non minorities”, as in the phrase “women and minorities”. The irony is that minority men suffer more as men that the rest of us but both groups are unwilling to recognize a common identity. Terms like diversity have been misused against men for so long that many of us have come to hate the word, but what we really need is a truly diverse coalition of all men plus does political factions that believe in civil liberties and women opposed to feminism for whatever reason. We need to stop dividing and conquering ourselves.
Having said that I would like to see our own Million Man March and I would like to see us “roar in numbers too big to ignore”.

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tom47 November 23, 2010 at 18:32

Ok so I should use spell check!

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GT66 November 23, 2010 at 18:45

tweell November 23, 2010 at 11:27

The information about lesbian domestic violence is buried in this report:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm

Uhm…. That study looks like it was written by the fascists at NOW. Was that link supposed to be a bitch slap to MRM?

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GT66 November 23, 2010 at 18:48

Oh I get it! Tweell is trying to load MRM forums with “evidence” to prove MRAs wrong on their own sites. Sneaky like a woman but alas, also a fail like a woman.

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GT66 November 23, 2010 at 18:50

Lovekraft November 23, 2010 at 15:09

What the F is up with this Firepower ‘dude’???

He signs off to tell us that he’s off to buy a car?

I think he mentioned that it’s a Mary Kay car.

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Keyster November 23, 2010 at 20:01

But Barack Obama is seemingly enamored of a different logic.

The man is simply in over his head. All hubris and no humility. His exposure to the USA is the south side of Chicago, black liberation theology and community activism. He’s a gifted orator and nothing else. The nation and the world were transfixed on his cool demeanor and mult-culti tone. He looked and sounded so good! How could he fail? On substance. Conflicted over instituting more socialist policy vs. bending to the will of the majority of citizens, he’ll do neither. Very little in our capital will get done in the next two years, and that’s GOOD.

Americans don’t like being told by the elite to accept their government intrusion and social engineering programs, because they think they know “what’s best” for those who “cling to their guns and bibles”. The Obama/Reid/Pelosi triumvirate has been a disaster in a time when we needed REAL leadership.

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Rebel November 23, 2010 at 20:24

Lara November 23, 2010 at 17:31
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I think Firepower writes many good comments.

Lara, your comments always lack depth. You appear to me as a very shallow person. You throw words into our conversation while not knowing what we talk about. You have no degree of understanding.

You are behaving like an unbearable little spoilt brat.
Don’t you see you are making a fool of yourself?
You are among grown ups here: you must ask permission before you speak. And you need to keep silent when you are not invited.
How come your daddy has not given you the spanking yet?

If at least you could bring something valid into our converstation we might even tolerate you, precious little princess.

You add nothing to the conversation. You make no sense. You are illogical.
Go and play with your barbies and leave grown up men alone.

Could you please find another place?

Do you understand what I’m saying?

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Angelo November 23, 2010 at 20:34

Lara,

A while back I encouraged you to keep posting and told you that not all of us thought you were an idiot. Now I know you better and it is unanimous.

Angelo

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CM November 23, 2010 at 21:09

As CDC lead researcher Daniel Whitaker explains, “a woman’s perpetration of violence was the strongest predictor of her being a victim of partner violence.”

LOL! Thats some funny shit.

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Rebel November 23, 2010 at 21:18

About dissenting voices, I think they do more good than harm.

I see something very positive about the way Firepower puts us face to face with our fears. If there is no strong and solid discussion, the movement may wilt and die. We must keep the fire burning.We must do it for our sons.
Let`s keep in mind that our situation doesn`t look like the feminist situation when their movement began: they had the power of the state behind them: we have the power of the state squarely as our enemy.

The feminists won with almost no blood shed.
The liberation of men cenario will be entirely different and un-peaceful.

Let`s also keep in mind that some of the disputes here have been caused by females like the intolerable brat called Lara.

As an older man, and if this has any meaning to you, I want to say: “do not repel those who do not share your points of view, even if they hurt your feelings”. There are no feelings on the net, no emotion: only logic. And that’s why no woman could have ever invented the Web.

We are minds communicating with one another. Not one mind (beehive) sharing a single thought, but millions of mind creating millions of solutions.

We are men and we are strong. If anyone refutes that, come and tell me to my face.

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Robert November 23, 2010 at 23:49

Newer Perspectives on Domestic Violence

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1546465

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Fidel November 23, 2010 at 23:57

Rebel, yes ….

What the hell does an effing female like Lara want on a men’s site ? She, like all of them, have absolutely no idea.

Just another snivelling attention whore.

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Robert November 24, 2010 at 00:26

Rebel November 23, 2010 at 21:18

“We are minds communicating with one another. Not one mind (beehive) sharing a single thought, but millions of mind creating millions of solutions.”

Imho, this is true and correct.

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Robert November 24, 2010 at 00:29

The Intellectual Perversion of the VAWA Mafia By Carey Roberts …
Mar 24, 2008 .
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/08/03/24/roberts.htm

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MRA November 24, 2010 at 00:45

“Let`s keep in mind that our situation doesn`t look like the feminist situation when their movement began: they had the power of the state behind them: we have the power of the state squarely as our enemy.”

We will never suceed if we operate like that. This state must be enemy. Not the state itself. (Seeing “the state” itself as the enemy, as dumb/deceptive neo-cons/libertarians advocate, is the incorrect approach for our movement achieving anything.)

We must take over the state and then impose our policy from there. Empowering ourselves and silencing our critics. Don’t like that? Contradicts American Revolution Utopian idealism?

Oh well, that matters not. Life is a zero sum game. If you don’t control the state to your benefit, someone else will control the state to their benefit and your detriment.

If you designate “the state” (as opposed to this state) as the enemy, you automatically lose; because you don’t understand reality.

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Andrew November 24, 2010 at 03:10

Obama…if we all realise he’s just a puppet politician working for a bigger agenda then why such a focus on him? e.g. ‘Obamanation’ etc… he’s just a front…all a distraction, how about we identify those who are backing him and working behind the scenes, especially the so-called ‘neocons?’who are still around regardless of political affiliation…that would be facing ‘some of our fears’..
Rebel, this site has been about ‘strong and solid discussion’ since day 1…feminists, their ilk and their destruction, is all that’s needed to ‘keep the fire burning’ within me…infighting which goes nowhere can get tiresome…even though we still listen…as if men can’t take ‘hurt feelings’ and abuse…30-40 years of it from others has been more than enough practise for us.
As regards solutions…Globalman (Peter Nolan)…has faced a lot of derision on here, yet he is one individual putting his words into action, challenging the ‘state’, directly…using logic…whatever we think, I honour him for that.

Lara…does not want anything…she is purposely disrupting …
If there is conflict among us…a dissenting voice… she will align herself with that voice to cause greater conflict and chaos, feigning agreement…as is her manipulative nature. Haven’t we seen other females on here do exactly the same?…good for the younger guys to observe and learn from though.
Notice her short meaningless responses?…most women have a lot more to say than that!…no, she and her ilk (Skadi, different personality, same effect) are purposely throwing spanners in the works and enjoy doing so…they enjoy defying us…so guys, have fun with them if you like…as long as at the end of the day, we have a final strategy to deal with them…the nobler women on here like Hestia, Thag Jones? et al, can deal with them…women generally show more consideration to their own sex. (For those who don’t know)…once another woman is addressing them they tend to give less flippant answers…not that the end result’ll be any different.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 24, 2010 at 04:58

Welmer,

“In 2008, approximately 56% of child abuse and child neglect perpetrators were women and 42% were men.”

This is a very misleading statistic. This is only likely to deal with CONVICTED or at best REPORTED child abuse. In reality women commit FAR more child abuse than men, especially the natural father. Like my case. My ex repeatedly hit our children to the head when they were young. This is not recorded as ‘child abuse’ as it was not reported. This sort of child abuse occurs FAR more often. Further, when young women are raped by the ‘new thug boyfriend’ this is very, very often known to the mother. This makes her an EQUAL accomplice to the crime. Erin Pizzy has talked about how often the mothers of girls are well aware they are being abused by the thug boyfriend and talked about how the women are not guiltless in this instance.

“a woman’s perpetration of violence was the strongest predictor of her being a victim of partner violence.”

Yes. It is call ‘defending yourself’. Something women claim men are not entitled to. Well? Women who claim that can go to hell. I will defend myself and my rights without regard to the sex of the perpetrator of crimes against me. If that perpetrator happens to be female and much smaller than me? Well? Maybe she should have thought twice about committing crimes against me….the same way I wouldn’t be too keen about committing crimes against Andre the Giant.

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Herbal Essence November 24, 2010 at 06:55

Thanks for citing the sources on those statistics. I have a couple of Feminist friends who are gonna have some ‘splainin to do next time we talk. Or more accurately, they’ll attack the sources, cite “unreported DV” and change the subject.

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mgtow November 24, 2010 at 08:00

@Rebel

Lara, your comments always lack depth. You appear to me as a very shallow person. You throw words into our conversation while not knowing what we talk about. You have no degree of understanding.

Most women are like that. Typical overgrown children and incorrigible attention whores/shit stirrers. Hissy fits, lack of depth, sound like a broken record.

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Russ November 24, 2010 at 08:48

MRA wrote:
Oh well, that matters not. Life is a zero sum game. If you don’t control the state to your benefit, someone else will control the state to their benefit and your detriment.
——————————————————————————————————————————————-

Exactly right.

There is nothing wrong with the system, except that the enemies of men like us, control it. If Good White Men regained control of the system, all of the problems talked about on sites like this would disappear.

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SingleDad November 24, 2010 at 09:35

@ Russ

I agree, certainly that bad people are running our gov currently.

But with Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama now the heads of things.

With a female only, men need not apply, Supreme Court Justices nomination and confirmation system.

It’s hard to argue that men in government is not at this point run directly by females for females.

So, I don’t think that “A Few Good Men” are going to change anything at this point.

There is everything wrong with the system.

To start with it does not protect the minority from majority abuse as is seen by the majority, females, oppressing the minority, males with a gusto unheard of in history.

It was designed to prevent this and has failed miserably.

Laws are now passed with no public knowledge and against overwhelming public opposition when they do deign to let us know what their up to. Health Care reform is the highest profile but the VAWA was not debated in the public arena. No representatives, looked to their constituants. It was simply a vote grabber, majority oppressing the un-vocal minority.

So, the system of introducing laws doesn’t work.

The press’s function to shed light on Gov corruption has been eliminated by a systematic brainwashing of children in Womens Studies Classes wh0 have been funneled into the press for generations.

I could go on.

But, no the system isn’t working and a quick fix, elect more dems or more repubs or more men isn’t going to work.

We need major reform of a system that is benefitting too many people to make this possible.

Therefore, expect things to get much much worse until it is unlivable here, which, for me, it is already.

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Russ November 24, 2010 at 09:51

SingleDad,

You’re right that electing more dems, or more repubs, or more men isn’t going to work. That’s why I said Good White Men need to regain control. That is the only way the system will be fixed.

The Pelosis, Feinsteins, and Clintons of the world don’t run the system any more than the Bushes, Obamas, or Kennedys do. A small group of banksters and media moguls run our world. Every member of the oligarchy is a man. They also have something else in common, but most of you are afraid to accept that, because it flies-in-the-face of MRM conventionally wisdom that women are doing this to us. Which is patently absurd. Although it is true that women are being used by the men who control the Money-Media Matrix. In other words, the men that run the world.

Are men like you so dense as to think that there is someplace else you can go to avoid this. The Media-Money Masters are globalists. They are going to institute these rules everywhere. Unless Good White Men unify and stop them.

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SingleDad November 24, 2010 at 10:10

Nope, not dense, just aware of timing. Timing is very important.

At this time you can avoid this shit by emigrating. I then give you 20 years until, as you very correctly stated, the NWO will be everywhere, except Muslim countries.

But I am not a conspiracy theorist and even if I was, I don’t think that some Oligarchy cares who has the kid this weekend which is the major issue facing men in the US and men in the MRM alot.

No, I think those fine ladies I mentioned are very much in control of these details.

My proposed MRM chant for young men is:

“Don’t Mate just Emigrate” (@ copywrite)

Because these are the only two rational decisions I can offer as an experienced older guy who won in Family Court and has been thinking on these issues for a few decades.

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Robert November 24, 2010 at 10:25

Andrew November 24, 2010 at 03:10
Obama…if we all realise he’s just a puppet politician working for a bigger agenda then why such a focus on him? e.g. ‘Obamanation’ etc… he’s just a front…all a distraction, how about we identify those who are backing him and working behind the scenes…”

Very good Andrew. It has been said “the true power lies behind the throne.” When I see politicians giving speeches, I notice who is standing behind them. Some are easily recognized but who are the others? How is it they are allowed to stand within striking distance to a member of the heirarchy? Of course it has also been said “money talks, bullshit walks.” I guess some of them are investors who have bought the politician(s) and are there to make sure they are not only seen but, to make sure personally they are getting their money’s worth.

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Firepower November 24, 2010 at 10:47

CashingOut November 23, 2010 at 16:18

If it is a veteran, I haven’t seen it under that name,

That’s because you’re a whiny boybitch too stupid to look under the membership roster – where I’m a top poster here. You, dear XBox fan, don’t appear to even be a member, but a troll stirring up controversy.

If you love black activism so much, add it to MRM based on the track record of Diversity destroying everything it touches.

You are all a bunch of whiny children – no more so than the boyfaggot gt66.

One year from now – you’ll all be here whining about 2011′s Latest Outrage.

A bunch of spoiled boychildren who man-up and accept criticism like Little Leaguers used to getting 23rd place trophies while Helicopter ‘rents rush in to save your bacon when “coach got mad at me, mom!”

bitches

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Firepower November 24, 2010 at 10:54

Andrew November 23, 2010 at 16:22

But hey, Firepower doesn’t arouse any particular emotion in me…when he speaks sense I listen..and vote him up…

Groupthink is always better than individual reasoning, right sugar?

Americans voted IN Obama – that does not make them right.

Same goes for “voting” here.

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Firepower November 24, 2010 at 10:59

GT66 November 23, 2010 at 18:50

I think he mentioned that it’s a Mary Kay car.

Are you a car expert – are you even a member here?

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CashingOut November 24, 2010 at 12:01

That’s because you’re a whiny boybitch too stupid to look under the membership roster – where I’m a top poster here. You, dear XBox fan, don’t appear to even be a member, but a troll stirring up controversy.

No, I’m the guy shoving my money under the mattress, into various bonds and savings accounts, and other such nooks and crannies, in my plan to get out of this place and become my own self sufficient self employed person. If your pride and goal in life is to be top poster in this sinking ship of a society, then be my guest.

If you love black activism so much, add it to MRM based on the track record of Diversity destroying everything it touches.

You clearly have no understanding of history:

Groupthink is always better than individual reasoning, right sugar?

Americans voted IN Obama – that does not make them right.

Same goes for “voting” here.

I agree with voting not always being a good indicator of what is or isn’t a good idea: I mean after all, Peter Andrew-Nolan gets break even or bad vote comments far more than you, and there’s more educational content and “stuff I can actually do” in one of his worst posts than in any or all of yours combined. But that aside, let me point out something that underlines your lack of understanding of history, or critical reasoning: we have had 44 presidents of the United States. 43 of them were White as sheets. We have had literally thousands of congressmen from the foundation of this country. The vast vast majority of them were White. Furthermore, for the majority of this country’s history, the bulk of the voting power was in the hands of White people. I agree that Barack Obama is a terrible president, but it’s only in your little fairytale land where he is the worst president we’ve ever had and none of the White presidents, congressmen, or voters before him share any of the blame for this whatsoever.

A bunch of spoiled boychildren who man-up and accept criticism like Little Leaguers used to getting 23rd place trophies while Helicopter ‘rents rush in to save your bacon when “coach got mad at me, mom!”

Criticism is composed of logically based objections that can be supported with facts. I was quite civil to the guy who was pointing out the data about Black SAT scores. Arguing about or against unflattering data is one thing. I don’t have to like the guy or even respect him or his reasons, but I will logically discuss the data presented. You are clearly a rabid loon who has wet dreams about a 4th Reich as we can attest from your blanket statements about the guilt of Blacks and other minorities for the downfall of White people, when Blacks and other minorities haven’t even been involved in all of White history. I have to vote down the people who say “oh, accept his thoughts and opinions, even if they are insulting to you” because quite honestly, there is nothing of value in your speech. Nothing. You are as informative as the mother fuckers talking about men should be allowed to fuck 9 yr old girls, or the people talking about go kill cops on your days off. I’m all for listining to valid information, regardless of how personally ugly it may come across to me. I have no care to listen to Flat Earth bullshit, and I have to spit when someone says that I am being closeminded because I refuse to hear shit that is irrelevant and fallicious.

So yeah, you keep on working on being the king poster here buddy. My journey towards freedom and justice is a bit bigger than any given blog or message board, but if that is all you have, you’re welcome to it.

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Firepower November 24, 2010 at 12:11

CashingOut November 24, 2010 at 12:01

So yeah, you keep on working on being the king poster here buddy. My journey towards freedom and justice is a bit bigger than any given blog or message board

Of course you’re so very noble – you loudly tell us so. In such long paragraphs, too.

I’m sure you’re little PC world will be splendid – the lion laying down with the lamb, and whatnot…hard-bitten realism like yours is hard to come by nowdays – as is your judgment on my education.

Seems in your recent little writing spree, you forgot to answer my question… for the THIRD TIME:

Are you even a member here?
Since when, exactly.

answer or fuckoff

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thehermit November 24, 2010 at 12:14

I agree that Barack Obama is a terrible president, but it’s only in your little fairytale land where he is the worst president we’ve ever had and none of the White presidents, congressmen, or voters before him share any of the blame for this whatsoever.

Perhaps Bush was even worse, he isolated the USA from the rest of the world.
I guess people voted more against him, than for Obama.

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thehermit November 24, 2010 at 12:17

I mean voters punished the republicans for the mistakes of Bush.

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Russ November 24, 2010 at 12:20

Nope, not dense, just aware of timing. Timing is very important.

At this time you can avoid this shit by emigrating. I then give you 20 years until, as you very correctly stated, the NWO will be everywhere, except Muslim countries.

But I am not a conspiracy theorist and even if I was, I don’t think that some Oligarchy cares who has the kid this weekend which is the major issue facing men in the US and men in the MRM alot.

No, I think those fine ladies I mentioned are very much in control of these details.

My proposed MRM chant for young men is:

“Don’t Mate just Emigrate” (@ copywrite)

Because these are the only two rational decisions I can offer as an experienced older guy who won in Family Court and has been thinking on these issues for a few decades.

SingleDad,

There’s so much double-speak in this quote it’s hard to determine where to begin.

1.) There are two views of history the “Accidental” and the “Conspiratorial.” Idiots believe in the “Accidental” the rest of us know what’s going on.

2.) White men need to quit acting like children and running away and start standing their ground.

The solution to our problems isn’t to run away and wait till they catch-up to us in 20 years. The solution is to unite right now and take our GODDAMN world back.

Firepower is absolutely correct in everything he’s saying.

They say that a domestic dog is, genetically, 100% wolf. In order to create a dog out of a wolf, you have to breed the adult out of the wolf. In other words, a domestic dog is simply an adolescent wolf.

The powers-that-be have done (culturally rather than genetically) just that with White men. They have created a culture that prevents White “males” (as you kids – and our enemies – like to call us) from becoming men.

PUT your damn Xboxes down and grow the f***-up. And take your damn world back.

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Firepower November 24, 2010 at 12:31

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Firepower November 24, 2010 at 12:46

Lara November 24, 2010 at 12:38

The reason I don’t think Firepower is so wrong to bring up race is because a lot of these feminist policies have wrecked more havoc in the black community than elsewhere in society.

Good – spread more crack, AIDS and E around, while you’re at providing unsolicited help to me.

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thehermit November 24, 2010 at 13:01

Such a profound declaration: you *perhaps guess* that voters voted against a guy not even running.

I corrected that in the next post. I know Bush was not running, also know the reason why. The voters identified Bush with the republican policy, and they did not want that policy to go on.

PS, you do realize that Obammy has been IN POWER for 2 years. Happy you voted for him?

You have to know i live on the other half of the world, so have no right to vote for the american president…. But yes, if i’d be an US citizen, i’d vote to the “less worse”, what was Obama 2 years ago.
What i realised since then, was written here already: nor republicans, nor democrats are the friends of men.

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jamesEQ November 24, 2010 at 13:01

regarding DV,
feminist lynn harris has written an article that essentially minimises the domestic violence committed by women against men.
Shes taking heat lol, Even some feminists are outraged by the article

exert

Let’s see what the stats really say, and what they mean in context. The DOJ’s numbers do contain this one perhaps surprising stat among many, many others: Males and females in violent relationships are “hit, slapped, or knocked down” by partners at almost exactly the same rate. Other research accumulating since at least 2000 suggests that, in fact, females are at least as likely as males to perpetrate intimate partner violence and that abusive relationships often involve mutual violence. So if you were cherry-picking, or very-broad-stroking, you could sort of call it even.

Except it’s not. Not at all. Experts say the raw, in-a-vacuum numbers don’t even start to tell the whole story of a given relationship, or of the complex dynamics of domestic violence. Other DOJ data shows men are more likely to be attacked with a knife or hit with a thrown object; women are more likely to be grabbed, held or tripped, raped, or sexually assaulted. Perhaps more to the point, females are more likely than males to sustain severe or injurious violence and to require medical treatment. “When you take the data out of context, in some cases, women come up as violent as men,” says Meda Chesney-Lind, Ph.D., a criminologist, professor of women’s studies at the University of Hawaii, and author, most recently, of “Fighting for Girls: New Perspectives on Gender and Violence.” “But men will often use the excuse ‘she hit me first’ to justify decking her or throwing her against a wall. She slaps him, and that’s used as a pretext to beat the crap out of her. She’s the one who winds up in the hospital.”

wtf!!!
http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2010/11/23/women_more_violent/index.html

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Firepower November 24, 2010 at 13:11

thehermit November 24, 2010 at 13:01

i live on the other half of the world, so have no right to vote for the american president…. But yes, if i’d be an US citizen, i’d vote to the “less worse”, what was Obama 2 years ago.

If. What if. Should have. If I was Brad Pitt, I’d be fucking Angelina.

Commenting on American Presidential Election Mistakes (like Obama) makes you appear as the typical, predictable anti-American hater. Especially when you show support for a vile, evil weak Socialist like Obama.

You’d have credibility if you stuck to your area of expertise and avoided jumping on The Bush Sucks Bandwagon; after eight years of foregners bashing Bushie plus two more sucking Obama’s cock, real Americans are on to the tactic.

Credibility is all a man has. All he has is his reputation.

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thehermit November 24, 2010 at 13:46

Commenting on American Presidential Election Mistakes (like Obama) makes you appear as the typical, predictable anti-American hater. Especially when you show support for a vile, evil weak Socialist like Obama.

I admit that there are things in american domestic policy, what only you americans understand properly.
But torturing people in different secret prisons worldwide is not domestic policy. It is a shame on you, it’s a shame on me also, because i belong to the “civilisated” world too. Of course, Obama promised, but did not stop that practice. It has nothing about who’s socialist.
I’m not an america hater; love you and hate you at the same time.

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Nergal November 24, 2010 at 18:54

“On another topic, these kind of people also do a disservice to Men’s Rights in general, because they force a whole bunch of unnecessary handwringing over and in defense of race. Minorities who would normally be glad to leave race at the door are forced to go into protracted defenses of said race when asses like these show up, and Whites are forced to go through a whole bunch of hand wringing verifying that they are not racist and such, thus taking processing and discussion time away from the issue at hand. Instead of discussing the meat of the article, we’re discussing whether or not Black people have tails. This person isn’t my brother, and I should hope that more people should wake up to see he is not theirs either.”

I’m with that. I’m basically the same on the white side of the fence.The truth is that there will always be Tom Metzger’s and Rev. Jeremiah Wrights.

Anybody who has a Y chromosome is a man,in my opinion, and every man has my support. Because, although we are strong individually, and have never needed each other outside of limited transactions before, we need LITERALLY every man we can get today.

We can’t stop the white racists and you huys can’t stop the black, hispanic, or what-have-you racists, but if you’re in the mrm, you need to cool that shit until we can fix the problem, which has nothing to do with the melanin in your skin and everything to do with feminists and their mangina lackeys fucking ALL men in the ass with a ginormous legal dildo and then telling us to smile and be happy about it.

There will be PLENTY of time, nothing BUT time for all the racists to sort out their differences after we remove the axe from every man’s neck.

And if you are a man, if you have honor and truly believe X is the best race on earth, then you would WANT to beat your opponent at his best, not when the both of you are shackled to the feminist grinding mill with whips cracking over your head. The United States of America is one big plantation, and everybody with a penis is a “nigger” here. We’re all the overseers as well, everyone of US is responsible for forcing slavehood on his fellow man if you’ve ever kicked someone’s ass for beating up his girlfriend (who likely started the abuse,given the data on DV) or called the cops to enforce the slavery, or voted for someone who wrote the laws that are fucking us, or patronized lawyers who profit from the laws or bought from corporations that sell t-shirts with slogans like “Boys are stupid,throw rocks at them” (that’s you,BOY),or simply did nothing while all this went on.

We can’t afford to go through this shit in the MRM, we need every single man. Hell, make it a racial thing, there’s plenty of misandry targeting specific areas of ALL our lives. Blacks can point out the black unemployment and out of wedlock births, directly stemming from feminist “female empowerment” that regards a black woman as worth more than a black man because she ticks TWO minority boxes instead of just one (some are more equal than others), and the black women that are more than happy to kick the black man out of his house for a check and free housing.

Whites can show how feminism has completely fucked-up white birthrates and marriage numbers and gets white men financially-ruined by courts who always treat them as an “oppressor”.

I mean,obviously, I’m not the expert on all this shit. I only know what I’ve heard from people of other races and whites about what has happened to them,and what I read. I’ve never been married and don’t plan to be and if I have kids it will be with a woman who doesn’t come from or live in the united states. All I’m saying is there’ll be time for all the racist shit later for any racists of any color to keep themselves occupied.

For those who do put a high premium on race, there’s definitely a lot of truck that can be made with regards to racial aspects of this feminist problem.If we could just get rid of feminism’s ill effects for one race of men, that might be enough to save the human race from the eventual extinction that driving a wedge between the sexes can only produce.

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scatmaster November 25, 2010 at 03:33

GT66 November 23, 2010 at 18:50 said:

I think he mentioned that it’s a Mary Kay car.

Are you a car expert – are you even a member here?

I think you got him with that one GT. By the looks of his subsequent posts he is starting to sound shrill. Good one.
Ignore. Rinse. Repeat.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 25, 2010 at 07:23

jamesEQ November 24, 2010 at 13:01

Many men report to me that when they were small there were times their mother hit them out of anger and in an uncontrolled manner. Same happened to all three boys in our family. Only our mum was too weak to hurt us when hitting us. My father NEVER hit us in an uncontrolled manner. He was a good football player and was very controlled in his punishment of us.

It is not uncommon for women to lash out and hit children in anger and frustration, and it is getting FAR more common for adult women to hit men for the least of reasons.

Last November when I was driving in Australia a leading TV News Personality named Sandra Sully incited another woman on a panel to hit a leading motor car driver Mark Skaffe. This was done ON AIR and the audience would be in the tens of thousands if not the hundreds of thousands as there was a big race meeting coming up and this was a radio discussion about it.

I posted to the ‘Truth Movement Australia’ about how Sandra Sully had promoted and incited a criminal act, assault, on air, and that if the sexes were reverse the man would lose his job. Of course, the result was that women sprewed hatred at me and the manginas followed.

Manginas really disgust me.

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Migu November 25, 2010 at 18:20

When you can tell a beautiful woman, “NO I don’t want to sleep with you.” then and only then have you mastered control of yourself with regards to women.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 26, 2010 at 10:25
Stickman November 29, 2010 at 11:02

HEY GUYS

question to Firepower and Cashing-out.. sorta

me personally white black yellow red green who cares …. BUT i will say this is it the skin color or the CULTURE!! i dont dislike black people but i realy cant stand … yep you know the word. i have met almost as many white “N’s” as i have black. i cant stand that culture it butchers our common language and is proud of it! it causes huge swaths of crime and is proud of it!

people here talk about sharia law they think its good bad … who cares its not MY CULTURE i say F*CK it stay over there. diversity this diversity that. stupid dumb lame i say ! differences are good. you there, me here. this diversity they speak of isn’t diversity its homogeneity. a nice steak dinnger with salad and cake would be a grate dinner but not if you throw it all in the same bowl and mix it all together.
every time i hear one of the leaders of the Blank Community preach i start to almost puke its a scam a HUGE scam. to make them money just the word “community” has been used so much its been defiled. to me its not the skin color as much as its the culture.

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