German Family Minister Slams Feminism

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by W.F. Price on November 10, 2010

Kristina Schröder, Germany’s 33-year-old family minister, has given German feminists a collective slap across the face, dismissing their cherished wage gap as a result of personal choices and opposing affirmative action in the boardroom in a controversial interview with Spiegel.

Regarding the wage gap, this is what Schröder had to say:

The reality looks like this: Many women like to study German and humanities; men, on the other hand, electrical engineering — and that has consequences when it comes to salaries.

Taking it a step further she drove a stake into the core of feminist doctrine:

I don’t agree with a core statement by most feminists, the statement by Simone de Beauvoir: ‘One is not born a woman, one becomes one.’ Even as a schoolgirl I wasn’t convinced by the claim that gender has nothing to do with biology and is only shaped by one’s environment.

Radical feminists immediately responded with outrage, calling the statements “crude and antiquated,” and so much “nonsense.”

Alice Schwarzer

One of the feminists Schröder took particular issue with, Alice Schwarzer of Emma magazine, called Schröder “a hopeless case” and suggested she was not qualified for her position.

Referring to Ms. Schwarzer, Schröder said she was a radical who had discredited herself with wild theories:

…I found that many of her theories went too far. For example that heterosexual intercourse was barely possible without the submission of the woman. I can only say to that: Sorry, that’s wrong.

[...]

There was indeed a radical movement that argued in this way and saw being lesbian as a solution. I didn’t find it very convincing that homosexuality should be the solution to the problem of women being disadvantaged.

Despite the bashing from old feminists, younger German women have voiced support for Ms. Schröder, suggesting that feminism has gone too far.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 08:02

My husband is an engineer. He studied a lot in college, while I played. I didn’t want to have to work that hard.

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fondueguy November 10, 2010 at 08:08

Lucky you…

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 10, 2010 at 08:11

What have I been telling you guys about how it is in Germany? The women know that they have created a HUGE problem. Now they are back pedaling like crazy as per this ‘Minister’.

The men are refusing to marry in droves. They are getting the snip in droves. At leas that is what I have been told. Germany, now has, reportedly, the lowest birth rate in Europe despite muslim women having an average of 6 children each. Well done!!! In a country were eastern women are numerous? Western women fail hopelessly to compete.

On current trends muslims will outnumber ‘germans’ in 2050 it has been reported.

Two years ago I said “If women keep abusing men the only pregnant women you are going to see in 20 years will be wearing burkas.” Women claimed this was ‘women-hatred’. LOL!! Well? Take a look in Germany. The VAST MAJORITY of women you see who are pregnant or got small children in prams are wearing Burkas.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,608172,00.html

This article claims 30% of women are childless in Germany. The women claim this is ‘their choice’. Like ANY intelligent man would believe that?!?!?!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jan/27/germany.lukeharding

I have read an article in German claiming that 25% of women over the age of 40 have never had a child in Germany. I have no idea how true that is, other than it appeared in a german speaking newspaper web site.

Germany was plunged into an anguished debate yesterday about how to encourage reluctant couples to breed after new figures showed Germany with the world’s highest proportion of childless women.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 10, 2010 at 08:18

http://mangans.blogspot.com/2010/05/germanys-birth-rate-hits-historic-low.html

Germany is shrinking fast. New figures released on May 17 show the birth rate in Europe’s biggest economy has plummeted to a historic low, dropping to a level not seen since 1946. As demographers warn of the consequences of not making enough babies to replace and support an aging population, the latest figures have triggered a bout of national soul-searching and cast a harsh light on Chancellor Angela Merkel’s family policies.

According to a preliminary analysis by the Federal Statistics Office, 651,000 children were born in Germany in 2009, 30,000 fewer than in 2008, a dip of 3.6%. In 1990, German mothers were having on average 1.5 children each; today that average is down to 1.38 children per mother. With a shortfall of 190,000 between the number of people who died and the number of children who were born, Germany’s birth rate is well below the level required to keep the population stable.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 10, 2010 at 08:29

The video itself has been removed but the comments are worthwhile. The Swedes are even ahead of the Germans in destroying their culture!
http://mangans.blogspot.com/2010/11/that-swedish-video.html

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fondueguy November 10, 2010 at 08:31

From the linked article:
“There is also an extreme paucity of female executives at leading German companies.”

Ya… what do you think that’s tells you.

I also found it amusing that the article only quoted women.

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Tim November 10, 2010 at 08:33

This is music to my ears: finally, a modern woman renounces feminism, and she’s not too hard on the eyes, either. This older broad, Alice, now she is a hag of death.

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Zammo November 10, 2010 at 08:34

Wait until the arrival of the male birth control pill… it will be the end of western civilization.

I’ll be on the porch drinking a cold beer and watching the spectacle with detached amusement. I’ll also be teaching myself Arabic and Chinese.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 08:41

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POIUYT November 10, 2010 at 08:42

The problems and consequences of genderism and indeed of the solutions both the political left and right agree with but hypocritically pretend to be against are manifold.

Both left and right agree with genderism but only pretend to be against its consequences in legal and illegal immigration, when in reality that is the only way they know the workforce gap can be filled.

How can immigration not be the solution where half the entire poplation by gender, are disincentivised and entitled not to earn their bread and rank from work but on account of their gender, forceably claim it off male workers whom must work at gunpoint. Strangers necessarily must be let in to take up the productivity slack opened up by non working females and the left and right know this.

Both left and right agree with genderism but only pretend to be against its consequences in legal and illegal immigration, when that is the only way the birth-rate and human resource gap can be filled. Both the political left and right know that if females are too good and precious to fuck and breed for their nations numbers, then strangers need to be let in whom are willing to do this dirty work.

How can immigration not be the solution where half the entire poplation by gender, are disincentivised and entitled not to fuck and breed, but view sex as a personal insult, oppression or too much a demand on their person on account of their gender ? Strangers necessarily must be let in to breed to augument the human resource numbers where indiginous females believe they are too good to do the natural thing by their men and reproduce babies. A thing which the left and right know of genderism but pretend not to know.

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Zammo November 10, 2010 at 08:43

@ Laura

Those societies/civilizations are not better. They are simply our future.

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Keyster November 10, 2010 at 08:46

This is something not being broadly acknowledged in the USA. The hispanic (catholic) birthrate, is outpacing all other races. Our population continues to grow as a result of immigration, not births. The social security system is tapped out as more people retire, with less working younger people to fund it. The “baby boom” dropped off a cliff after the women’s libration movement, the pill and legalized abortion.

If you combine women “choosing” not to get married and have children, with men now avoiding women because of the legal trouble they can cause, you have a shrinking population base; that brings with it a shrinking economy…less workers, less viable consumers. Japan is in the middle of this right now.

Feminists are SO feared in the USA that everyone pretends it’s not that bad of a problem and that if it is a problem at all, no one will understand why. You’d NEVER see a government offical criticize ANYTHING feminist or female publicly in the USA. You either agree with them or if you don’t, you shut up.

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Penguin November 10, 2010 at 08:46

This was in a comment over on Oz Conservative about what Kristina Schröder said.

Our World: The Age of Dissimulation

Hamas movement’s “foreign minister” Mahmoud al- Zahar told the Christian West, “You do not live like human beings. You do not [even] live like animals. You accept homosexuality. And now you criticize us?”

Al-Zahar also made the case for Islamic feminism. As he put it, “We are the ones who respect women and honor women … not you. You use women as an animal. She has one husband and hundreds of thousands of boyfriends. You don’t know who is the father of your sons, because of the way you respect women.”

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Angelo November 10, 2010 at 08:47

“Lucky you”?

I think that Laura was using her personal experience to agree with the Family Ministers conclusions on the “wage gap”. Like the rest of us, she is occasionally off the mark or does not see things like the majority here, but, by in large, Laura seems to be supportive of men’s issues.

I think it is poor policy to hammer away at people who are generally supportive but have a different perspective. Chasing away people that are more moderate or have different ideas just weakens the overall conversation and exchange of ideas.

What is often see on forums is that people with differing ideas feel unwelcome to the point that they leave. Before you know it, you have only a dozen members bleating full agreement with each other. All the while wondering where the others went and why no one new seems to be staying.

Debate is wonderful. Exchange of ideas is wonderful. Going after someone like a pack of wild dogs is not. Use your intellect, not your sarcasm.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 08:47

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 08:50

I find it very amusing that so many of the men on here are wishing for the death of western civilization. Why don’t you just move to the Middle East or Africa if they are so much better than we are.

Because those places are shitholes. If you’re going to live in the end of days, you might as well do so in a fat, luxurious society with all of it’s pleasures.

So long as you know the score and know the things to avoid (marriage and long term committments of any kind) life in the west can actually be pretty good. Do you think I could coast through life playing X-BOX, getting drunk and banging bar skanks in some third world hell-hole?

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Angelo November 10, 2010 at 08:52

I really welcome comments from women like this one. I agree that Western Civilization is circling the drain and will collapse if things continue the way they do. This has happened to many empires before.

I think there is more hope for ours though. The internet spreads information to people at an unprecidented rate, this factor was never present before. More people are aware of what is happening and where we are heading and we are seeing people like this lady speaking out about it.

If the majority of women were to realize how they had been duped by feminism over the next 10 years, we might be able to hammer our some real change. I have no hate for women, I would love to work with them to build a better future if possible.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 08:59

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Zammo November 10, 2010 at 09:03

Well I think some of the men on here are happy about that, because it means less responsibility for them. They can do what they want to do, when they want to do it.

Ding, ding, ding, ding! Johnny, we have a winner! Give the gal a kewpie doll!

Seriously, why should be invested in a culture or society that demeans, mocks, criminalizes, and scorns my masculinity? If my culture hates me because of an accident of birth, I’ll walk away from my responsibilities, end of story.

But in the meantime, there is cold beer to drink, women to seduce, and
big laughs to be had at the expense of “empowered” women. Game on!

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 09:05

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hurleyhacker November 10, 2010 at 09:09

Laura,

Anything that disgusts you is a positive thing.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 09:14

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Zammo November 10, 2010 at 09:16

You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.

Give something to a culture that actively villainizes my masculinity and heaps disrespect on me simply because I’m a guy? Forget it, sister. I shovelled the gravel for too much and was the silent pack mule for far too long.

My self-discipline was ruthlessly exploited so I don’t work for the “greater good” anymore. I work for my own pleasures and desires.

So Laura, how YOU doin’? ;)

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Angelo November 10, 2010 at 09:18

I think we need a reawakening of the type of Manhood that built western civilization. Maybe I am in the minority, but I would prefer a return to traditional ways than to live in a hedonistic sex orgy while watching my childrens future slip away. Maybe the fact that I have two sons colors my thoughts.

I think the ideal world would be one where a husband and wife work together, fulfill each others needs and raise their children into honorable adulthood. There are still some families that are able to do this. It is not impossible for the ideal to spread.

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Rebel November 10, 2010 at 09:28

The scariest thing is that as people will become older they will find themselves alone. Take a look at senior citizens homes, feel the deep misery of people who are going through old age alone, not loved, not looked after. Who will take care of them? Scorned immigrants?

Women will suffer much more than men on account of the fact that they live 7-8 years older… alone. Not a nice prospect for men, but a horrible end of life for women. Those childless women will not even have an occasional visit: they will just wait there… for death to take them away. It’s already happening.

Yes indeed, we live like animals now in the West.

So, why shouldn`t we wish for the collapse of a regime that treats people like rubbish, especially men?

We are at the end of the rope. Nothing can save Europe, except the massive immigration of humans from neighbouring cultures.
Europeans should better treat their immigrant population with tender loving care, or else their old age will be short and painful.

We must never forget, collectively, that hate bounces and that if these immigrants are mistreated, they will mistreat us when we are a minority. That’s only twenty some odd years away now.

Food for thought.

On another subject, I question the validity of the “like/dislike” button.
I would like to suggest the removal of that function: let everybody speak their minds without the fear of being smitten.
Just my two pennies.

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Phoroneus November 10, 2010 at 09:28

Laura, productive men want to contribute to society and in many cases feel anguished when they don’t. But to make a man into a productive one you must reward him for his efforts, are corrupt divorce courts, affirmative action, anti-male social enviroments, worthlessly inflated currency, and used up loose women worth producing anything for? Is a society that sits upon such a foundation and expects men to “suck it up” to pick up the Herculian slack produced by the wastrel yet rewarded hordes worth it? The intelligent, productive and unrewarded men are answering by droping out and rewarding themselves in whatever ways are available, this is a shameful development but the shame does not lie with the men who drop out but on the society that refuses to reward them properly. To further burden them with your scorn won’t serve to do anything, you can’t make a man get up by droping ever more weight on him especially when they know they deserve better.

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Cranky November 10, 2010 at 09:34

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fondueguy November 10, 2010 at 09:36

“Well I think some of the men on here are happy about that, because it means less responsibility for them. They can do what they want to do, when they want to do it.” -Laura

“You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.”

“He studied a lot in college, while I played.” -Laura

Ok…

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Zammo November 10, 2010 at 09:42

“Well I think some of the men on here are happy about that, because it means less responsibility for them. They can do what they want to do, when they want to do it.” -Laura

“You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.”

“He studied a lot in college, while I played.” -Laura

Ok…

And fondueguy delivers the smackdown! The crowd goes crazy! His opponent lies still, dazed and confused, her rationalization hamster stunned into submission, no longer spinning the wheel.

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fondueguy November 10, 2010 at 09:43

@Angelo

I will criticize selfish natured comments (especially unwitting ones) when I see fit. If she wants to learn she can stay here but just because she throws us a bone doen’t mean ill just be too greatfull for that to say anything else.

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 09:44

Laura has just broken out the classic female response. It’s truly so predictable it is funny. I can’t believe no one has yet pointed out that all she’s said is the absolutely standard permutation of ”you should be ashamed of yourselves”.

Laura, do you think we’re a bunch of kids? What part of this do you not understand? You women do not get to laughingly shrug off all of your traditional obligations and responsibilities and still have us do our part. That just isnt going to happen. We will not simply grit our teeth and pick up the slack, running twice as hard at the hamster wheel to make up for your laziness.

Besides, even if we did, there is nothing men can do to prevent the collapse of western civilization if the birth rates are below replacement. Nothing we do to maintain or defend it will matter with demographics going the way they are. It’s like we’re trying to pump water into a barrel with that you’ve cut holes in, and you just want us to pump twice as hard to keep it full. Sorry, but no, it was women who first decided that their liberation meant more than literally any other thing, now you deal with the consequences.

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Astute Commenters November 10, 2010 at 09:44

fondueguy wrote on November 10, 2010 at 08:31 “ From the linked article: “There is also an extreme paucity of female executives at leading German companies.”

I just posted some extensive comments (with multiple references) about female executives over at Whiskey’s Place.

Summary: Apex Fallacy, women don’t want the jobs, accelerated Peter Principle, set up to fail by affirmative action, examples of failed women CEOs.

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SingleDad November 10, 2010 at 09:45

I think the like dislike buttons have been a godsend. Now discussions can be less easily derailed and conclusions drawn.

So, Laura, and I don’t know you or dislike you, I’m only responding to your posts in this thread.

So, you don’t like to work. Didn’t sacrifice when you where young to make life better for your family. Are happy to live off someone who does.

You hate the idea of men having any self agency or fun.

And subscribe to the death penalty for men having what today is totally legal sexual relations with consenting partners, 18 still being a teenager, linguistally speaking. And you would like the right to be judge, jury and executioner.

Well, then you are a typical American woman. This is in line with all feminist political goals and practices. Happens every day.

And, somehow, you would like to enter this discussion and have us think your here to help us?

God, you think we’re dumb huh.

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Ray Manta November 10, 2010 at 09:45

Laura wrote:
You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.

That charge only has weight if the contributors are rewarded for their efforts. Feminized western society has been biting the hand that fed it for about a half century now. So accusing someone like Zammo of having an attitude problem is a case of way too little, way too late.

If I lived on that commune one of those men would have gotten a bullet in his head.

You’re a legend in your own mind.

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Traveller November 10, 2010 at 10:01

So tell me a thing, did Skady changed name in Laura?

Her hamster in skull must be sleeping on the wheel. Wake up.

WE are the civilization, civilization does not grow on trees. This is one of the things women are not able to grasp. If we move, civilization moves with us.

In fact this is already happening. With Internet we can play every stock market on the world. We can control a remote company in India or China.

Already any simple home appliance has stamped “Made in Taiwan” or China. The productive process is already moved. Nothing serious soon will be produced in the West.

Soon the financial activity will follow, with the declining dollar and euro.

This post is dedicated to fellow men of mine.

That is proof women are stupid: just think, when a Western man moves around the world, for job or pleasure, is treated better of worse than immigrants treat Western women in West?

Bye bye Western feminists I leave you with your gang of drug dealer rapists and immigrant thugs. I am not sure you will not like it. Sure you can call them when you need your air conditioner fixed or your lawn mowed. Or (better) a mammography test.

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post-modern devil November 10, 2010 at 10:02

Laura, if you expect young men in general to actively endeavor in labor and commit with women in order to contribute to the well being of society, then society (and women especially) should damn well make sure that they value and reward the sacrifices those young men make on behalf of the greater collective.

Feminism instead severed the social contract between men and women. It freed women from the confines of the home (a noble and justified effort admittedly) but actively sought to force them in the workplace by lobbying for legislation that enacted gender quotas as well as indoctrinated generations of young girls and boys that men and boys suck for being male and stigmitized the natural submissiveness of women and children to men through the mass media.

Unfortunately for society, these efforts of the feminists all but emotionally detatched huge amounts of young men from Western culture and allowed them the room to break from the social expectations forced on young men in the feminists’ zeal to marginalize the male sex completely. Your sisters drove men to detatch themselves from women and Western society and moderate females (in respect to general female behavior) indirectly have to suffer for the reduced amount of male productivity and desireable partners for women in America.

I personally won’t criticize you for your attitude towards unmotived men because I have long accepted that women are biolgically disposed to ALWAYS demand men endeavor on behalf of women and children; I don’t honestly beleive there is women out there that can actually act to the contrary regardless of how self sufficient and independent she may be. But regardless, this article is proof that women are perspective enough to understand how their actions and those of their sisters can negatively impact men (at least in terms of their ability to contribute to the collective) and that you barking at us here for not being actively productive is a useless exercise in futility.

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namae nanka November 10, 2010 at 10:10

“There was indeed a radical movement that argued in this way and saw being lesbian as a solution. ”

And add to that the equality of double sided dildo sex, otherwise it’s raypeee.

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Herbal Essence November 10, 2010 at 10:11

The family minister concluded “Ladies, y’all need to keep your yaps shut and be happy your man isn’t spending all his money at one of our numerous legal brothels.”

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Alonso Quijano November 10, 2010 at 10:11

Right. As a long time lurker on this site I feel compelled to comment
on this. Being a German expat who has left his country fifteen years ago, I think I can explain to my anglo-brothers what has been going on in Germany lately. You see, we’re one step ahead in the game, not because we’re smarter or saw it coming before you people, but we simply had more incentives from the beginning. By “we”, I’m talking German men.

Growing up in the seventies, my generation got the full blow of hard
core feminazism with all the shaming involved you guys know so well.
By the way, that Alice Schwarzer character is our own German mutation of the likes of Dwarkin, Greer et al., she still runs a monthly magazine and has obviously suceeded in stripping off all femininity of
two generations of German women.

As a German man, on top of the feminist shaming you get tons of shaming from all sides and sources for our recent history, usually combined with blunt monetary interests. I’ve even been called “3rd generation assasin” just for having been born in Germany.

The other incentive has been taxes. An academic in Germany, with a decent job, let’s say in banking or consulting paid up to 56% in taxes by the early nineties. Income tax, church tax (yes, unless you don’t want to get “excommunicated” you pay taxes to either the Protestant or Catholic church), a tax to our “brothers” in former East Germany (look it up: the biggest money transfer in history and the envy of all Eatern European nations), hidden taxes for “European solidarity” (i.e.
financing infrastructure in other European countries), war reparations, you name it, we paid for it.

Not being represented politically in any conceivable way, and faced
with parasitic levels of taxes and the repugnant prospect of having
to get along with one of these “emancipated” “women”, many, many young German men did exactly as I did: We decided to vote with our feet.

There’s no cornfirmed numbers on this, but I’m inclined to bet that
at least three million German men left the country in the last ten
years. Now, Germany has always been a densly populated country and has always had some degree of emigration to deal with. Only that former waves of emigration were composed mainly of poor, starving peasants, who looked for a better material life elsewhere.

Those who leave Germany under present conditions are exactly the opposite: Smart, young, extremely well educated, high profile professionals who cost a lot of state investment and are now carrying the fruits of that investment to other places. This is a whopping 10% of the workforce.

They are being replaced with low net present value immigrants, who will never pay the same amount in taxes, and are not accepted as partners by German women.

Now, the reason you see the first official political backlashes, like
this irrelevant chick that’s send to the “front” to test the ground is
simple: Tax revenue is shrinking fast. And immigration doesn’t make up for it. (see Central Banker (sic!) Sarrazin’s recent scandal, basically
calling out Turkish immigrants as ungrateful and stupid).

Even the most deluded politicians in the “liberal” spectrum had to
acknowledge recently that instead of turing into andogynos “new men”, German men just did the Houdini and disapeared to South Africa, East Asia or the fringes of Europe leading happy new lifes with
local women.

That’s why you see the backpaddling starting now…

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Angelo November 10, 2010 at 10:14

Phoroneus – Loved your post. I think you nailed it!

Laura – Any support that I have for you will quickly evaporate with posts advocating a bullet to the head for people that are engaging in legal activities. No matter what your, or my, opinion is of them. Your posts seem to go from rational and sensible to on the borderline pretty quickly. No, I am not going to generalize about female emotions just yet…lol

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sharpcool November 10, 2010 at 10:20

Somebody get that oddball Laura out of here, she starting to derail every thread with her weird comments.

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Anonymous age 68 November 10, 2010 at 10:23

>>You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.

No, it was not the general population. It was the male population. Women do not build civilizations. History shows that women only tear down civilizations after men have built them.

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continent November 10, 2010 at 10:33

@W.F. Price.
It was good that you put nice picture of the good family minister of Germany who dared to defy feminism.
While the German Chancellor is a female, the troops she is inspecting with visiting female prime mister all the soldiers in the picture are men.
Link
http://www.hs.fi/politiikka/artikkeli/Kiviniemi+Automaattinen+rangaistus+EUn+talouskurista+lipsuville/1135259814817

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SingleDad November 10, 2010 at 10:34

Hi Skadi

Warning: Don’t feed the troll

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BoxANT November 10, 2010 at 10:39

The ship is sinking, we can either “man up” and go down with it, or start building life rafts.

I’m not to worried about my “personal” future, and I’m sure many other guys here are not.

Most of the lamentation you see here is that of men mourning the death of our civilization.

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Anonymous age 68 November 10, 2010 at 10:43

Writing from Mexico, y’all need to know this insane fear of older men with younger women is strictly Anglosphere.

No, I am not talking about pedophiles which involves adults WITH SEXUALLY IMMATURE CHILDREN.

I am talking about sexually mature females with older men.

Here I can see why in older times girls were married as young as 13 in the US. Here, as in those days in the US, unwed motherhood not only is castigated by society, and the unwed mother is guaranteed not to ever have a husband of quality. It also destroys the reputation of her entire family, and brothers may well never marry a quality woman.

I was sitting in my friend’s clinic while he tried to restart the heart of a girl who attempted (successfully in the end) suicide because she was abandoned by the man who got her pregnant. She died later in a big city hospital. She had swallowed a glass of malathion.

In societies like that, that is, normal, healthy societies who punish women who want children without a two parent family, families go to great pains to keep their daughters from getting pregnant.

Sane parents can tell when their daughters are mature enough to be at risk of sexual activity, and they tend to get them married quickly, and age is not relevant.

In some cases, yes, that means 13.

Oh, but their education will be interrupted!!!

Unwed 13 year old mothers do not ever get educated! They live on government checks, and raise little future convicts.

In my state, jail bait over 12 is a matter for the girl and her parents. If the man agrees to take her and care for her and the kids, they can get married with her parent’s permission and verification by a judge, and the cops can’t do a thing. Yes, at age 13.

When I first moved here, the little house up the hill had a 20 year old beautiful woman and her five daughters!!!

In the US, the unwed sluts live in ghettoes, and the kids are a lost cause. So, are the mommies. Yet, the US believes it is much more educated and understanding. So, if a man who has a job agrees to take a young, pregnant girl and care for her, and give her life some structure and meaning, ten years in prison.

But, it’s okay if she gets pregnant by a 15 year old boy who can’t buy chewing gum without asking his mommy for a dollar.

My daughter is her 40′s. But, if she were 13 and chose to be sexually active, I’d much rather she had a 40 year old man who could feed her and the kids, and give her a good life as a respectable woman, rather than a life of dire poverty and government checks in a ghetto with bullets flying at night.

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Anonymous age 68 November 10, 2010 at 10:48

>>It seems like a lot of people are agreeing with my weird comments. If the MRM can’t stand a little bit of scrutiny or criticism I can’t imagine it is going to accomplish much.

As usual, you have no clue. We men, depending upon our age, have experienced nothing but insults and criticisms for 45 years now. We have no unmet needs to be criticized or scrutinized by another sharp tongued woman.

As far as not accomplishing anything, here are the figures on marriage rates:

Number of Marriages per 1,000
Unmarried Women Age 15 and
Older, by Year, United States:

1922 99 (found on Web)
1960 73.5
1961 72.2
1962 71.2
1963 73.4
1964 74.6
1965 75.0
1966 75.6
1967 76.4
1968 79.1
1969 80.0
1970 76.5
1972 77.9
1975 66.9
1977 63.6
1980 61.4
1983 59.9
1985 56.2
1987 55.7
1990 54.5
1991 54.2
1992 53.3
1993 52.3
1995 50.8
2000 46.5
2004 39.9
2007 39.2 (Rutgers 2009)
2008 37.4 (Rutgers 2009)

Notice that the sharp drop from 1995-2004 coincides with the rise of the Men’s Rights Movement, The Internet.

Considering it is women who complain that they cannot find a man, that men encourage each other to not marry, and the fact that the marriage rate continues to rapidly drop and the number of marriages continues to slowly drop, it is reasonable to conclude that men are avoiding marriage, and women want them to step up to the altar/alter.

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Herbal Essence November 10, 2010 at 11:02

Laura-
when men selflessly work their butts off to “support Western civilization” our resources are confiscated to aid Feminism and Globalism. Not to mention the ghastly things that happen to us if we marry.
Also, I am a successful professional in a competitive industry and I dedicate a fair amount of time and money to causes I support. I know other men on this site do too.
I work because I enjoy the sense of personal accomplishment, despite that my efforts are taken advantage of by a society that regards me as a disposable battery with testicles.

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Nico November 10, 2010 at 11:04

I found this part of her interview interesting:

SPIEGEL: One of your first acts in office was to set up a department for the victims of feminism.

Schröder: I’m sorry but there is no department with such a name in my ministry.

SPIEGEL: A department for boys. Who gave you this funny idea?

Schröder: What’s funny about it? I always thought we have badly neglected issues concerning boys and men. It’s a fact that it used to be Catholic working class girls from rural areas who had the biggest problems in school. Now it’s boys from low-education backgrounds.

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SingleDad November 10, 2010 at 11:11

Get it straight guys Anonymous is Skadi, not Laura.

Don’t feed the trolls, try action, push the red button.

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Lord Viktor November 10, 2010 at 11:13

@Keyster:

Feminists are SO feared in the USA that everyone pretends it’s not that bad of a problem and that if it is a problem at all, no one will understand why. You’d NEVER see a government offical criticize ANYTHING feminist or female publicly in the USA. You either agree with them or if you don’t, you shut up.

You can actually shrink this down to a microcosmic level.

I’ll give you personal example, but I’m more than certain all of you can relate.

Everytime my mom and my sister start talking to me about how men are this and men are that and what pigs we men are, I have absolutely no choice but to sit in silence and take it.

Why? Because I know that arguing with them is a hopeless endeavor. My mother, to her credit, is a little better at listening to my arguments, but only when she attacks on her own. But once she teams up with my sister, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I can do.

And if I dare say anything that remotely criticizes women or if I even raise my voice just one decibal, I get slapped with the misogyny charge, usually accompanied by yelling from both ends.

Like most men when faced with feminism, most of us cannot voice even a tiny modicum of dissent for the instant we do, we are attacked on all sides.

Much how I am forced to clench my fist under the table and force myself to laugh and to smile as my mother and sister gleefully tear into my gender lest I unleash a verbal shitstorm of hellish proportions, so are most men forced to adopt the same behavior lest their reputations (if not their lives) end up completely destroyed.

Just expand this dilemma into the legal / political arena and you will see just how deep the problem is. A pretty picture, is it not?

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 11:20

@ Laura

You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it.

Men built and maintain Western civilisation.

What is it, exactly, that women do?

Perhaps it is women who do not deserve the benefits of Western civilisation, having never lifted a finger to contribute towards it.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 11:21

And no, fetching beers is not ‘contributing’.

Nor is lecturing men on what they do and don’t deserve.

Seriously – can someone answer me this question. What is it that women do?

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 11:22

This is the reason the West is dying, not women or even immigrants. The men are the backbone of any society and the men have degenerated.

C’mon skadi, what holds you women back to build your own civilisation?

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 11:23

This is the reason the West is dying, not women or even immigrants. The men are the backbone of any society and the men have degenerated.

C’mon skadi, what holds you women back to build your own civilisation? You’re strong, independant, and all that shit.

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 11:24

”Again… it is hypocritical of men to lament about Western civilization, if they themselves do not want family and children. If you are not fit to be a family man, but prefer sexual promiscuity, games and cars, lack of responsibility, then don’t lament.”

Why? It isnt like anything I do is going to make a difference.

Civilization isnt something men owe women under all circumstances. Civilization is something men can be induced to build given the right incentives and circumstances.

If I was living eighty years ago I’d have no problem starting a family, I grew up wanting to start a family. But do you seriously expect me to ignore the enormous deterioration of the quality of prospective wives today? You expect me to commit to some party slut of today as my forefathers may have done to a well brought up virgin in the past? It just will not happen. Just understand that; It. Will. Not. Happen.

Why are men just expected to close our eyes, ignore the enormously altered state of the world, and carry on as if nothing has changed? Out of loyalty to our civilization? Our civilization barely resembles what it was only a few short decades ago. Men’s obligations to support society are not unconditional, we will not support the current farce of a society.

I mourn the loss of what we had decades ago, as for the current cruel mockery of what was, I look forward to it’s fall. Meanwhile I have Callof Duty to play, sluts to seduce, and scotch to drink.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 11:24

I don’t want to live in a society where men have sexual access to anyone and everyone they want to.

That’s why you’re a feminist and we’re MRAs. Are we clear?

Just who do you think you are to decide who men ‘have sexual access’ to?

Why do you think you should be consulted at all? Why do you think we require your approval? Who the hell are you? What is it that you do?

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 11:25

You’re strong, independant, and all that shit.

With merely the help of vast governmental bureaucracies, grrlz can do ANYTHING.

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Fender Cyborg November 10, 2010 at 11:26

I believe the Germans have a word for what I’m feeling: schadenfreude.

I’m glad those Kraut bitches can’t find an ATM machine, I mean husband.

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SingleDad November 10, 2010 at 11:26

Sorry Nico,

We cannot discuss the matter of the article as our resident trolls won’t allow it.

But yes, this is exactly how women think of men. They are open about it because their hate is supported by an entire industry that has grown and government that entirely panders to them.

They say stuff that, if applied to any race of people would be considered genocidal.

Well, we’ve had enough.

Hat’s off to our German brothers. I hope some of us find the fortitude to vote with our feet.

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Lord Viktor November 10, 2010 at 11:28

@thehermit:

C’mon skadi, what holds you women back to build your own civilisation?

Yeah, anything a man can do, a girl can do better! What do the girls need US for, we’re just pigs, remember?

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 11:30

If women want me (and my brothers) to build and maintain civilisation, give me motivation first, because at the moment i have none.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 11:31

Laura,

You are a moron if you think I’m going to fall into a trap like that.

You are equating two very different situations; and you know you are doing it; feminists like you are slimy characters. The idea, I suppose, is to get me to inadvertently advocate rape? And yet we were talking about consensual sex before, weren’t we?

Just admit it, Laura: you are entirely motivated by the fear of your own sexual obsolesence. Like most feminists. You think men should want to fuck YOU rather than young nubiles. You’ll do everything you can to keep men away from the objects of their desire in the hopes that they will love YOU instead. It’s pathetic and disgusting, and I think you need to grow up.

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 11:33

Would you want to live in a society where there were no restraints on human sexuality?

As opposed to the current one where there are merely no restraints on female sexuality?

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Herbal Essence November 10, 2010 at 11:34

Lord Viktor- Its an amazing phenomenon, isn’t it? Once two or more of those rationalization hamsters get going, not even a team of wild horses can pull the verbal onslaught in another direction.
Women are herd animals. Left to themselves, they’ll claw each other’s eyes out. But once a man is on the scene, it’s time to herd together. Mooo! Sisterhood! Mooo! Equality! Mooo! Raaaayyyypppeeee!

A fantastic exception would be this German family minister. I salute her courage and respect her discerning intellect.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 11:37

Stop calling me a troll. I am writing things which I really believe

You’re right, you aren’t a “troll”, you are an idiot. Only an idiot could believe what you write.

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 11:46

Just admit it, Laura: you are entirely motivated by the fear of your own sexual obsolesence. Like most feminists. You think men should want to fuck YOU rather than young nubiles. You’ll do everything you can to keep men away from the objects of their desire in the hopes that they will love YOU instead. It’s pathetic and disgusting, and I think you need to grow up.

While obviously true, I actually can’t blame women that much for their behaviour on this issue. Think about it, thier looming and inevitable sexual obsolesence is a horror I don’t think we men can really understand or appretiate. Imagine if you knew the only value you had or ever will have was rapidly fading and you missed your chance to get anything lasting out of it.

Of course, the ability for women to avoid this fate has always been there. It was called marriage, marry when you are still young and nubile and the emotional bonds you forge with your husband will endure once your looks fade. Where I have no sympathy is how modern women want to spend (in the literal sense) their youth and beauty fucking around, marry just before their value plunges off a cliff and expect to still get the same quality man and the same quality of relationship.

Sorry ladies, no sale.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 11:59

Why can’t you just answer the question?

Because you – knowingly – posed it as a false dichotomy.

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Fender Cyborg November 10, 2010 at 12:00

I love how Western Society is absolutely crumbling right before our very eyes. Birth rates for white children have fallen off a cliff, in which case they must import immigrant labor to keep social security alive, and basically keep the hamster wheel of Capitalism spinning. The dollar is on it’s way to being an over-inflated, worthless piece of paper. The manufacturing base of America has been completely gutted. Walmart is the #1 employer in America, and the irony of it is that everything sitting on the shelves was made in China. Americans don’t make jack shit. America is the world’s store for trinkets and knick-knacks.

This is what our “elected” government officials have done to us. Ralph Nader aptly called it the “Road to Corporate Serfdom.”
http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/2218-Road-to-Corporate-Serfdom.html

Our government and our women have BETRAYED us. The most we can do is opt-out, produce as little as possible, buy nothing (it just the Capitalist Pigs richer), and watch the whole shithouse go up in flames. Payback time, bitches.

As men, our victory over “the fairer sex” will probably be a Pyrrhic one, but it will be worth every penny. The women will discover what it’s like to be an inanimate, invisible, disposable, expendable, resource for the elites… in other words, they’ll know what it’s like to be a man. And all because they wanted to be like men and feel liberated. Unfortunately, now they’re just exploitable garbage like the rest of us men.

Zammo wrote:

Wait until the arrival of the male birth control pill… it will be the end of western civilization.

I’ll be on the porch drinking a cold beer and watching the spectacle with detached amusement. I’ll also be teaching myself Arabic and Chinese.

Damn F##king Right.

I have zero allegiance to a system which shit’s all over me, doesn’t give a shit about providing real jobs, outsources jobs to other countries, and then tells me to man up. Meanwhile, they’re sitting high on the hog, working for the government and without a fucking clue.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 12:01

The porn industry which has now gone mainstream is created largely by men and caters to their sexuality. You have your porn, money and games, what else do you want?

I have my son also, and you’re right, that’s all i want.

You are not like the men of the past (even just a couple of generations ago). And you are not fit or willing to fight for the Western civilization. So I will fight for it.

Fortunately you’re not the one to define who i am. The western civilisation is not worth to save, let the world change (as it always did), and we’ll see what happens.

I know you want to fight for this civilisation for mere selfish reasons: it privileges you (as a woman), and makes me secondary citizen (as a man).
It was great once, but those days are over. Meanwhile, it will not disappear completely, just turn into something else.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 12:02

As one German feminist put it – gender equality will be achieved when we have just as many incompetent women in power structures, as we right now have men.

Mission accomplished. We see the results around us every day.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 12:03

While obviously true, I actually can’t blame women that much for their behaviour on this issue. Think about it, thier looming and inevitable sexual obsolesence is a horror I don’t think we men can really understand or appretiate.

I don’t want to understand their pain. I don’t want to appreciate how they feel. I want to make them stop. Just … stop trying to salvage some shred of relevance. I want them to realise – they’ve blown it, and that they have no power, none at all, absolutely nothing, no control over what men can and can’t do. No more than the crazy old bag lady I pass every day on my way into work. I want them to know that’s what they’re on a par with. That they’ve lost all the power over men that they never deserved and there’s no way to get it back – ever. I want to see that moment of crushing realisation in their eyes, and I want them to know that nobody’s going to help them now.

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greenlander November 10, 2010 at 12:03

It’s just really amazing how Laura who is clearly not a feminist / gender equalist and who is in fact rather submissive and often self critical, is still being bashed and cussed out.

Why is it amazing that spewing stupid, illogical crap will get you cussed out? Laura is spewing stupid, illogical crap, and people are calling her on it. Go figure.

Laura is just a reminder to us that even “normal” women who aren’t fire-breathing feminists are incapable of understanding the issues. Their rationalization hamsters just run too fast.

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 12:04

And you are naive if you think it suffices to “build emotional bonds” with a man so that the marriage will endure. It’s not the case anymore today. Many men leave good wives, happens every day. The odds of survival are too small anyway no matter what you do. One must be realistic and accept it for what it is today and not invest your whole being into it.

Of course it’s not the case, women no longer marry as pretty young virgins they marry as bitter, used up sluts, desperate to escape the sexual obsolesence that Snark mentioned. Add to that the fact that most of them are useless at domestic tasks and are so masculinized in terms of speech, behaviour and dress as to be virtually indistinguishable from males and what do you expect?

You offer less to your husband so you get less back, that is just the way the world works.

Do not pretend that the average women of today offers her husband as much value as did one from eighty years ago. We both know it isnt true. Why would you expect similar outcomes? If I only have $30,000 to offer, I can’t buy as good a car as if I had $300,000. It’s no more complicated than that.

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Loki November 10, 2010 at 12:05

“Every time my mom and my sister start talking to me about how men are this and men are that and what pigs we men are, I have absolutely no choice but to sit in silence and take it. … there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I can do.”

Why not tell them that what they are saying is not true and that their behavior is not acceptable, and then leave?

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rob November 10, 2010 at 12:08

An awesome letter telling a so-con woman to stick it where the sun don’t shine:

A Letter to Devvy Kidd

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 12:09

I want to see that moment of crushing realisation in their eyes, and I want them to know that nobody’s going to help them now.

you’re a little bit cruel, arenot ya [ evil smiley]

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CashingOut November 10, 2010 at 12:13

I wish all women didn’t show up for work one day.

Me too. Then we might get something done!

Ba-dum-dum!

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 12:13

They do say that schaudenfreude is the opposite of sour grapes.

In my mind, it’s exactly what those women who complain about ‘no good men’ deserve.

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Penguin November 10, 2010 at 12:24

Men are voting with their feet. They no longer support Western Civilization. This is the only effective act the current culture allows men to take. Period.

There are two reasons men are doing this. One is that Western Civilization is actively hostile to men, to the point of complete subjugation. This is an obvious (and obviously true) reason.

The other reason is that Western Civilization is actively suicidal. There’s no culture left to support, and no institution interested in restoring the traditions that were so successful for so long.

There’s also the point that simply restoring the old culture ignores the fact that those traditions, while successful for millenia, failed to keep us out of the current disaster.

I think men would gladly get behind any institution that tried to lead in the battle for Western Civilization. But there aren’t any. There’s no point of leverage to start from.

There aren’t even any neutral institutions. Every last one of them is riddled with post-modernist poison.

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Zammo November 10, 2010 at 12:29

And you are not fit or willing to fight for the Western civilization. So I will fight for it.

You can start by making me a sandwich and fetching me a cold beer. Now go on, let the men talk [slaps her ass as she turns towards the kitchen].

So, you guys read any good books lately? I’m reading Red Queen.

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Astute Commenters November 10, 2010 at 12:33

Anonymous November 10, 2010 at 12:23 wrote, “ Absolutely not. There are few women in the office, no female presidents, very few prime ministers, and very few CEOs. Even the female Hollywood actors are paid much less than male. Male athletes are treated like demigods and, as great as they are, they are somewhat overpaid. So no, women do not rule the world. And honestly… it would not be fair if they would now come into power, because it was mostly men who screwed it up. They should clean it up themselves.

You’re not reading the comments. I addressed this in a previous comment.

Bringing up arguments that have already been answered is no way to earn respect.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 12:36

men hold most money.

….and women spend it.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 12:41

There are few women in the office, no female presidents, very few prime ministers, and very few CEOs.

There are also very few women in prison, in the coal mine, between the homelesses. What does it tell to you? For me, it tells women are rare on top and on the bottom of the society, beacause of taking less risk in life, and because they are more average in everything.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 12:44

Astute, yes, only a few women want those jobs. Because they don’t need them.

Yes, because massive government gives most of them cushy jobs moving paper from one side of their desk to the other, then moving it back.

Then again… there are a LOT of women who are not financially supported by men. Very many, especially the younger ones.

Not as many as there are going to be, soon.

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Fender Cyborg November 10, 2010 at 12:53

Hey, Anonymous.

Who gives a crap about your civilization. If I had it my way, I’d live in a shack in the woods. It’s called being self-sufficient. In the case you’re a stupid vagina, it means I live alone by myself without other people. That’s my idea of civilization. Me, Myself, and No One Else. And I can live without sniffing your crotch, too. Your “feminine” wiles won’t work on me. The so-called “women” in this society have destroyed any desire I have to go anywhere near you wart-infested nether regions.

The only problem is, I’m forced to work and pay taxes, so other people can have babies, start wars, and generally do shit that I could give a two-bit crap about. I have no desire to be a part of your system of exploitation.

But since I know that will never happen…I do what I have to in order to get by in a completely inhuman, cold, corporate, spiritually-dead, and materialistic environment run by women and a bunch of greedy evil men. Since those two groups seem to be the most interested in obtaining wealth, possessions, status, the rich and famous lifestyle, and other ephemeral, fleeting things, they’re the groups who make up their rules in our pathetic excuse for a society. So, I literally have no choice but to be a cog in the machine.

With that said, I get a smile on my face whenever I hear that the marriage rate is decreasing further, and that the immigrant population will overtake us. It only means more materialistic cunts will be left out in the cold. Right where they left me.

I figure I’m doing my part to educate as many young men as possible to avoid marriage, commitment, providing, and whatever monetary comforts women demand from them. We have to spread the word to young men. We have to make them realize that this society isn’t worth saving.

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Hestia November 10, 2010 at 13:04

@Laura- You are attempting to shame men into “working hard” for (a sick, dying, cares nothing for living) Western civilization and claiming they have no right to complain without contributing what it is you feel they ought to all while mentioning how you played your way for college as you did not wish to work hard. This double standard is what makes you appear to be illogical. If you could play and goof around per your own admission, why then take issue with others for doing the same thing?

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post-modern devil November 10, 2010 at 13:15

And you said that’s all you wanted… beer and porn.. then you should be content, yet you are still here, angry and unsatisfied.. the men of the past were much more peaceful and satisfied, even though they didn’t have access to porn and multiple women and all the luxuries of today’s world. And had to commit to one woman early on. Yet they were peaceful and normal.

Woman, you are in absolutely no position to say whether or not he feels angry and unsatisfied. You do not know him personally, and thats not getting into how hard it is to express emotions on an online forum by way of subtext.

Anyway, from what I gather, a lot of guys come here for intellectual and impartial discourse with other link-minded individuals as most discussions on other forums are ruled through appeals to emotion, ad hominems, and excessive amounts of sensationalism.

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 13:24

”And you said that’s all you wanted… beer and porn.. then you should be content, yet you are still here, angry and unsatisfied.. the men of the past were much more peaceful and satisfied, even though they didn’t have access to porn and multiple women and all the luxuries of today’s world. And had to commit to one woman early on. Yet they were peaceful and normal.”

Not really, it’s the best of a bad situation, beer and porn is better than divorce and alimony, simple as that. It isn’t better than marriage 1.0 with a good woman, but that isn’t on the cards anymore and hasn’t been for a while.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 13:26

I agree it is unfair to criticize them for not being any better than I am. I also understand their frustration because it seems like irresponsible people don’t really have to suffer the consequences of their actions in our socialized society. I don’t want to see western civilization in decline, but I’m not sure how easily the trend can be reversed at this point.

I’ll actually give you a thumbs up on that one.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 13:35

the men of the past were much more peaceful and satisfied, even though they didn’t have access to porn and multiple women and all the luxuries of today’s world.

They did not have to deal with feminism.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 13:40

I think it detracts from your enjoyment of the women you have in real life.

I’m giving you a thumbs up for the sentence that made me laugh the most today.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 13:47

And you said that’s all you wanted… beer and porn..

No it is not all, and not even what i wanted, but under these circumstances, this is the best i can get.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 13:52

I can’t believe how much this argument has stayed the same.

When I first stumbled into the MRM. the entire place was full of girls chattering away like this. Many of them considering themselves to be “freedom fighters” – but only if you guys support this and this and that – namely, so long as woman still rules the roost.

It becomes quite clear to me what Aristotle was trying to point out with The Spartan Women where he discusses after making women equal to the men, the amount of mischief they caused was worse than the enemy:

in those states in which the condition of the women is bad, half the city may be regarded as having no laws. And this is what has actually happened at Sparta; the legislator wanted to make the whole state hardy and temperate, and he has carried out his intention in the case of the men, but he has neglected the women, who live in every sort of intemperance and luxury.

….

…the influence of the Lacedaemonian women has been most mischievous. The evil showed itself in the Theban invasion, when, unlike the women of other cities, they were utterly useless and caused more confusion than the enemy.

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Every time that I have seen women hang around men’s sites, the same clucking arguments start, and as it goes on you will see the same theme come out from women:

They are not here to help… they are here to make sure the slaves don’t run away.

It won’t matter to women if the enemy is breaking down the gates and we only have 10 minutes to save ourselves, the will run to you with monkey wrenches and stick them into the spokes of your chariot – just to shit test you one more time.

I knew a fella a couple years ago who spoke one single line what explained this phenomenon better than any other I’ve seen:

Women would rather have 100% of nothing, than 50% of something.

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greenlander November 10, 2010 at 13:54

I don’t really want to get into this to much, but I agree with Anonymous that this overabundance of pornography isn’t a good thing. I think it detracts from your enjoyment of the women you have in real life.

Now that’s a stupid thing to say, Laura.

The reason that so much porn exists is due to female hypergamy. Unconstrained female choice leads them to all ride the alpha cock carousel. Beta get some scraps here and there. Omegas get nothing. I don’t think you realize how many men in our society are getting zip zero nada zilch pussy. Porn is the only access these men have to women.

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piercedhead November 10, 2010 at 14:07

The manufacturing base of America has been completely gutted. Walmart is the #1 employer in America, and the irony of it is that everything sitting on the shelves was made in China. Americans don’t make jack shit. America is the world’s store for trinkets and knick-knacks.

And even more peculiar is the sight of 40 of America’s billionaires lining up with Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and pledging to give away enormous sums of money in the name of eradication of poverty and misery in the third world. These are the very same people who presided over the gutting of the American economy, accumulated its wealth into their bank accounts, bankrolled the political agenda and now believe the best use of this wealth is to promote the interests of people living abroad.

I’m sure I read somewhere about charity beginning at home, but the full wisdom of it hasn’t been as clear as now.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 14:14

Hestia +10.

Actually, Laura is on record saying that she does not ‘approve’ of ‘men like TFH’ self-financing an egg donor + surrogate and going it alone as a single dad, thus not providing a woman with the 80-90% of a man’s lifetime output that women feel entitled to.

‘men like TFH’….

As in a brown person?
Or as in a wealthy man who runs Game, with a specific specialization in ‘spend as close to zero as possible before sex’ Game, and thus no woman has access to his funds?
Or some combination thereof?

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ReaderLon November 10, 2010 at 14:16

Here is the actual interview with Schröder: “Interview with German Family Minister: ‘Women Need to Get Much More Self-Confident and Tough’”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,728175,00.html

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rob November 10, 2010 at 14:18

One thing that women like this show is the differences in male and female behaviour in regard to how society works.

Ever since the beginning of the SNAG (Sensitive New Age Guy) Days, men have been tripping over themselves to recreate themselves in the image (said they) wished to be. I cannot deny there was a time when I did the same things.

But after a while you realize what women want from men is really a fashion – the man in touch with emotions… the man who’s not afraid to cry in front of me… blah, blah, blah… every step along the way, men have bent over backwards to say, “OK, we’ll recreate ourselves in the way you would like” only to have it that upon such a transformation, they found those same men to be repellent.

Now apparently, they want “Reeeeeeal Men” back… whatever the hell that means as the hamster rides her wheel around the cage of doom that is her brain.

Notice how if men try to inform women what they would like to see, women don’t trip over themselves like SNAG’s?

Nope, they argue with the SNAG and tell him he is a bad customer.

Imagine you went in to Fembot Motors to buy a good, quality, used 1978 Chevette.

The Mistress of the Lot strolls up to you and you ask, “How much?”

When you balk at the prices of $19,500, or 60 months @ $400/mo, she replies like this:

“You’re not a reeeeeeal customer. You’re just a bitter 1981 Ford Escort lover.”

“A reeeeeeeaaaaal customer wouldn’t let his experience of driving a 2004 Mercedes affect what he thought of the value of this 1978 Chevette.”

It is completely foreign to the female mind, it appears, to think of their own involvement in the problem.

Wheras SNAG’s bent over backwards, making hopping jackasses out of themselves in order to recreate themselves as women wished them to be, it is on the otherhand, almost inconceivable to woman that she should have to lower herself to changing her behaviour for someone else.

“What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is ours,” speaks woman, in the same tone as totalitarian tyrants ’round the world.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 14:20

You’re both wrong about what porn is, and what not. Do you really think, if there were no porn, anything would be better? False.
MGTOW is not because porn exists. It’s because men are fed up, had enough, whatever.
Porn is not good or bad, it’s like the soap operas for women.

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ReaderLon November 10, 2010 at 14:24

Hey Bill, I just see even the guardian covered the topic: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/09/german-feminist-alice-shwarzer Maybe it is good if you add the actual Spiegel interview also as a link to the above article.

BTW from her English wiki entry you can see she was the daughter of a single mom and she studied humanities: “As the daughter of a single mother she spent her childhood with her grandparents. In 1969 she started working as a journalist. From 1970 to 1974 she worked as a freelancer for different media in Paris. At the same time she studied psychology and sociology, amongst others lectured by Michel Foucault. She was one of the founders of the Feminist Movement in Paris (Mouvement de Liberation des femmes, MLF) and also spread their ideas to Germany.

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ReaderLon November 10, 2010 at 14:24

Hey Bill, I just see even the guardian covered the topic: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/09/german-feminist-alice-shwarzer Maybe it is good if you add the actual Spiegel interview also as a link to the above article.

BTW from her English wiki entry you can see she was the daughter of a single mom and she studied humanities: “As the daughter of a single mother she spent her childhood with her grandparents. In 1969 she started working as a journalist. From 1970 to 1974 she worked as a freelancer for different media in Paris. At the same time she studied psychology and sociology, amongst others lectured by Michel Foucault. She was one of the founders of the Feminist Movement in Paris (Mouvement de Liberation des femmes, MLF) and also spread their ideas to Germany.

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Ray Manta November 10, 2010 at 14:26

Anonymous blathered:
Indeed for selfish reasons – the same reasons that one fights for their home and family.

If our society comes to a point where the likes of you is fighting for home and family, you’re f*cked without men.

And men are not second class citizens – men are still in the center of the society, men still rule it to a large extent and men hold most money.

Correction. The only men you notice are those alpha males. Sorry, but they
aren’t anywhere near enough of them to support a modern first-world society.


Absolutely not. There are few women in the office, no female presidents, very few prime ministers, and very few CEOs.

The abominable performance of women like Carly Fiorina makes me glad that it’s true. Margaret Thatcher was ok, but I consider her very anomalous.

Even the female Hollywood actors are paid much less than male.

It’s my understanding that top male actors like Mel Gibson are paid according to their ability to open a movie. Top actresses simply don’t have that kind of pull. Frankly, I don’t care – it affects a vanishingly small segment of highly overpaid people.

Male athletes are treated like demigods and, as great as they are, they are somewhat overpaid.

See above. They’re a tiny but overly visible segment of humanity. Top male athletes get paid more than female athletes because everyone prefers to watch strong, fast people compete rather than weak, slow people. It may be unfair, but whining about it makes about as much sense as slamming Hooters for discrimination because they hire men to wait tables.

> So no, women do not rule the world.

Maybe you can explain for my benefit then why women in Western societies:
(1) Live 7 years longer than men on average.
(2) Make up only about 7% of workplace fatalities.
(3) Can screw men in family court.
(4) Even though men do most of the paying into our retirement and welfare systems, it’s mostly women who benefit from it.

That’s just off the top of my head.

And honestly… it would not be fair if they
would now come into power, because it was mostly men who screwed it up.

I must say that you sound just like a woman. Somehow, it’s always a man’s fault. I take that as an implicit admission that you know women are helpless to fix real-world problems – they depend on men to do that.

> They should clean it up themselves.

This young man is on the right track with his campaign to end women’s suffrage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUP9Jm9SqvY

Fifth Horseman has stated that institutionalized misandry will end or be rendered impotent when its costs are transferred directly back to women. I can get behind that – I enthusiastically support the right of those who hate men and/or consider them to be disposable ATMs to grow old, alone and unloved.

Zammo, of course, I’m not making a sandwich for you – you are nothing to me, not my father, my husband or my sponsor. Or a guy who is nice to me. So no sandwich for you. :)

You can look forward to a reciprocal policy of male disengagement, coming real soon now (if it hasn’t already arrived).

A good book on the topic of preserving the Western civilization.. Pope’s latest letter, Caritas in veritate..

The Pope can’t even get people to make babies in his own hometown, let alone prescribe how to save Western civilization. Italy’s emptying out faster than almost any other country in Western Europe, although they’re all below replacement. You’ll have to do better than that.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 14:33

You grrlz should listen to Hestia. Believe it or not, she’s actually trying to help you, although it might be too late.

Feminism does not become you.

Also: Rob is correct.

We need rigorously-enforced male-only spaces. Do you think they let women run their mouths in the Agora? Civilisation would have never happened.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 14:34

Men use pornography as a substitute for real women. Even men that don’t have access to a woman will not put as much effort into meeting one if they are inundated with porn.

Porn saves men.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 14:37

Men use pornography as a substitute for real women. Even men that don’t have access to a woman will not put as much effort into meeting one if they are inundated with porn.

Did Laura just admit that the modern woman is really just a crappy, risky, subpar sexbot?

That most modern women are scarcely better than porn?

So, Laura, why should men work to support YOU? What do YOU offer a man in return, when you admit you are little better than free porn?

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 14:38

I don’t need Naomi Wolf or any other feminist to tell me what a bad deal marriage and relationships with women are.

I don’t need you or any other feminist to tell me what I can and can’t see and read.

Men are not here to be objects and tools for your use.

You sick fuck.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 14:39

Saves men from what- human interaction?

I wouldn’t go so far as to call feminist women ‘human’.

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fondueguy November 10, 2010 at 14:41

“There are also very few women in prison, in the coal mine, between the homelesses. What does it tell to you? For me, it tells women are rare on top and on the bottom of the society, beacause of taking less risk in life, and because they are more average in everything.”

They’ve always been latching on the the better men. (Funny how they also talk about humanity and duty and what not while completely leaving the “lesser men” in the dust). Them demanding the top positions (and ignoring men at the bottom) is just an extension of this entitlement mentality IMO. Of course the problem is that they don’t want to put in the same work and risks men do to hold top positions.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 14:41

I think you would like the article, which is why I posted it.

In the same way that some Jews ‘like’ Mein Kampf, I suppose.

She is much more eloquent than I am.

That’s not exactly hard, you demented reprobate.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 14:44

Men use pornography as a substitute for real women.

Why should men do such things, if the real ones were so damn good for them?

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Herbal Essence November 10, 2010 at 14:45

Laura-
I’ll call for men to give up porn when you call for women to give up romance novels.

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Ray Manta November 10, 2010 at 14:48

It may be unfair, but whining about it makes about as much sense as slamming Hooters for discrimination because they hire men to wait tables.

One correction – in the above statement, I intended to say :
It may be unfair, but whining about it makes about as much sense as slamming Hooters for discrimination because they won’t hire men to wait tables.

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JFP November 10, 2010 at 14:48

Viktor, I’ve actually had some success in discussing men’s issues/family law with my mother in the last 2-3 years. Always 1 on 1 though. It is crazy when you get 2+ together harping on.

One point I think hit home awhile back was pointing out to mum that all her horror stories about the young women where she works (many are single moms) were not selling me on getting married and having a family.

It was amusing to watch her face as she retold the story of one single mom co-worker asking about me (after mom bragged about me or something) and asking my mother “well dont you want to be a grandmother?” in that she could be a (step) grandma to her bastard kid if I married/hooked up with her right away. That or the time she recounted another recently divorced casual friend with twins (was married to a cop) that had asked about me a few times wanting my number since we lived in the same town. Mom decided to avoid the woman’s calls/not return them heh. The gal was not “stable”.

Anyway, I’m certainly not interested in defending western civ culture while being treated as a second class citizen. I heard a story once of a army vet bragging about how men should man up and fight for custody. He’d done it and won his kids, others could too! After seven long years he’d won, 1/3rd of their childhood spent fighting the courts. He’d clearly not learned about the concept of a pyhrric victory but then I suspect after having served in the military he had to console himself with the idea everything he’d fought for wasn’t a joke.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 14:48

this overabundance of pornography isn’t a good thing. I think it detracts from your enjoyment of the women you have in real life.

Well, it appears that “porn” is the newest fembot gambit for derailing conversation. For years it was shrieks of “misogyny, Misogyny, MISOGYNY” and that worked for a lot of years because most men really were not “misogynists” and bent over backwards trying to prove that (SNAG-ing themselves in the process.) When the majority of men figured out that women really didn’t mean what they were saying – in fact they didn’t even know what they were actually saying, they were just spewing words hoping to control and derail the conversation – fembots went right on to shaming attempts – “You’re just a loser who can’t get a girl, probably lives in his mommy’s basement, and has a small penis to boot.” Next came NAWALT, and then when that one began to fail they moved on to “rayyype” and “rayyyype apologist.”

It is important to notice that each successive gambit has a shorter and shorter effective life as more and more men simply cease to give a shit what women want, think, or say. They are obviously becoming desperate.

The article here does give hope that at least some women are waking up the fact that their manipulative gambits are failing, and that perhaps becoming less insufferable nags may have some remote chance of getting men to have much to do with them again.

Either that, or their rationalization hamsters are beginning to die of heart failure from overwork.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 14:52

Laura,

Men will give up porn, when women split the cost of dates 50/50, and when there are an equal number of women paying alimony as men. Note the word EQUAL.

Deal?

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 14:54

Laura,

Because it is easier to sit at a computer and masturbate to some picture of a woman you will never meet than to go out on a date with a real woman. That takes more effort.

But you don’t approve of GAME either, do you?

You know, how a man can learn to bed a woman in 7 hours without spending any money, AND make her happier than she is with men lacking Game.

Laura, there are only two choices, porn or Game. Which would you prefer men adopt. Choose one. These are the only two choices.

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Ray Manta November 10, 2010 at 14:55

Laura wrote:
Men use pornography as a substitute for real women. Even men that don’t have access to a woman will not put as much effort into meeting one if they are inundated with porn.
Please read:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

If true, that’s a welcome sign. I believe men’s welfare and quality of life will vastly improve when they become sexually independent from women. I look forward to the next 10-30 years when full-immersion interactive porn and/or sexbots will become widely available and inexpensive.

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SingleDad November 10, 2010 at 15:01

Yes Snark you are correct, we are dealing with a bunch of sick fucks.

And marriage 1.0 sucked ass and men today are better off than they were when having a woman attached at the wallet was considered necessary for polite society.

Yesterday I took my son to buy Black Ops and there was a father there. I talked to him about how I play a computer game so to be with my son we share our time together, him playing his and me mine.

He then told me how he loved playing Madden football but he can’t anymore. Even on his own time, late at night, with his cousin, his wife would pound on the floor (his ceiling because he was religated to playing in the basement).

Then he went on how he wouldn’t get any work done. Of course he has a job, work to him is work his wife assigns.

I just looked at him. A complete and total slave who cannot even spend alittle time alone playing a game.

No, men should never go back to that. We are freed, let’s enjoy it. I am.

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CashingOut November 10, 2010 at 15:02

Roissy recently posted a link to an article about some hippie commune, polyamorous society where people didn’t have to be constrained by the values of society. Basically it ended up there were a few fat, lazy, aging hippie type guys having sex with very young teenage girls. It disgusted me.

And your problem with that is? If they weren’t raping these teenage girls then I don’t see the problem here. What is your preference: that it be a few aging women monopolizing barely legal sexually active males while everyone else gets jack shit and/or overweight big beached whales?

I’m not a fan of polyandry, but if you’re going to do it, it works out best in male dominated societies, because at least there everyone is clear on what the rules are, and the women in the system are “kept in line” so to speak, and made to abide by the rules of the living arrangement that they are in.

For reference:

xhttp://www.sadiesopenmarriage.com/

I lurked on a female polyandrist’s site (above) for a time, pitching softball questions to her after various escapades (such as “how would you feel if your husband had done what you had just did, do you really think that women would be OK with it if we judged ALL women by their sexuality, especially since maybe only 5% of women are really sexy, exactly how are men to blame for x y and z?”) I lurked because quite honestly, I wanted to know if, given a framework where ground rules were laid, and everyone knew what the other person was doing and who they were doing it with (an “open” marriage, don’t laugh or snicker just yet), such a thing could actually work. Kinda in the same way one watches the Red Bull flying machine competitions where people build contraptions that no chance of flying: you know they won’t fly but you just wanna see how bad some of these guys can screw it up.

I wound up leaving in disgust after reading one posting where the woman went into lurid detail about how she had mind blowing sex, all while knowing that her husband was at home sick, and her daughter had a high fever and was seriously ill, and didn’t bother to drive home because she “wanted to take care of herself for once.” (later on when even leftist posters started assailing her for this act of selfishness, it was “I was too hopped up on medication.”) Between that and when I first started reading, were pages upon pages of hypocrisy, self-adulation, and vanity that undercut any attempt at having a real, honest, “open” relationship.

What I learned, from reading this blog, was that women have no problems with such things as polyandry, teen marriages, nudist communes, whatever you got, so long as it benefits them and no one else.There was one long string of posts on this blog, where the woman got pissed at (and eventually broke up with over this) a sex partner because he had the audacity to say, offhand, that he had lots of female admirers, and that he wouldn’t be tied down to her needs. However, not only is that the whole point of her blog, but she has said the exact same thing to men regarding men.

Wait a minute: if polyandry is about fucking whoever is conveient for you, where’s the problem in saying that it’s conveinent for you to fuck a lot of women? Well in a logically run polyamorous society, there wouldn’t be one. Men in a polyamorous society would understand that, the tradeoff of being able to fuck many women is that there is a high likelyhood that your woman is fucked by many men. In all seriousness here, I am not advocating this or anything, but in the context of the situation the choice does present something of a bottom line that you can or can’t consent to, a point from which to say “go” or “no go.” Women in this situation are OK with the idea of catting around, yet become horrified when they find that men suddenly have their pick of women, or at least more than one woman to pick from. Whereas a man might “get with the program,” to a woman there’s a horrible imbalance, not because of any actual injustice being perpertrated, but because “she” finds it disgusting.

As Laura so aptly demonstrated, “she” finds the idea of a few fat old men having sex with young women wrong, so it’s wrong. Wait a minute, what do the young women have to say about this? What do their other partners have to say about this? If everyone is fine with it, and they aren’t infringing on me, I say leave them to it. That a fat, older man is having sex with many younger women is not in and of itself a travesty. It may be to a jealous woman outside the scene, but objectively, it’s not. The truth here is that, as with so many other things, a woman defines what is right and wrong by what she “feels,” and not by logical observation of her surroundings, or by what other people have agreed to. If the story was about Courtney Cox and her dried up friends hitting freshly minted 15 yr old cock, she’d be yelling “you go grrl…” But it’s old men not having to beg for it, so it’s yucky.

TLDR: Women don’t have an objective measure of bad behavior, they only view behavior as bad if it offends them personally. This is why it doesn’t pay to listen to what a woman thinks about “morals” or anything else that requires contractual agreement in society.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 15:04

Because it is easier to sit at a computer and masturbate to some picture of a woman you will never meet than to go out on a date with a real woman.

It’s also more rewarding.

Easier + more rewarding = obsolescence of old females like Laura.

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zimmy November 10, 2010 at 15:05

Laura: “I think porn desensitizes men to the pleasures of real women and their company.”
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In this case the chicken came before the egg. It is women who have desensitized men to ‘real’ women. It is too bad that women now face competition from porn and it looks like women are losing this match.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 15:09

TFH,
It’s always money with you.

No, it’s ALWAYS money for the chicks.

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thehermit November 10, 2010 at 15:15

No dear. As i said porn is not good and not even really satisfying- but much better than what men expect from real women.
I’ve lived 10 years in a marriage, so i know. Want to keep some dignity for myself.
I don’t see my chances for a real partner, in this society. Read that word: PARTNER, and try to find out its meaning.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 15:18

Laura: “I think porn desensitizes men to the pleasures of real women and their company.”

If Laura is an example of the “pleasures” of a woman’s company, “porn” is the least of women’s worries. Life with her would be much like a perpetual procto exam. Who needs naked women to stare at? Watching a blank wall would be far less unpleasant than being forced to listen to her drivel.

BTW, Bill, did her husband ever ante up his $100 donation for us to listen to her drivel so he gets spared?

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 15:23

”Men use pornography as a substitute for real women. Even men that don’t have access to a woman will not put as much effort into meeting one if they are inundated with porn.”

Translation:

Beta males will expend less of their resources in largely unsuccessful attempts to woo women if they have an alternative method of sexual release.

Women obviously find this unfair because it runs counter to their interests. That is their conception of unfair.

Look we all know the society most women want, it is one where all women spend their teens and twenties riding the carousel, in the meantime betas are busily working away ”supporting and maintaining” society” and building up large retirement funds for the women who eventually deign to allow them to fork over a wedding ring and blow through the lot of it before divorcing him and reducing him to penury.

That is the feminists dream, society will never be ”fair” or ”just” until that is the world we live in.

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NWOslave November 10, 2010 at 15:35

Laura…I’ve read many of your post’s so let me address a few issue’s including your last post. The 1st topic is sex

You say men substitute porn for women…This is true and here’s why, the majority of women dress to stimulate men but sleep with only a few select men with money and power. The only “legal” outlet to this frustration that women have bestowed upon men is porn and women have initiated this cycle.

Porn in itself is once again women who choose to prostitute themselves to the “masses” so to speak. Once again it was the choice of many women. You then turn to Big Daddy Guv for the legal punishments of sexual harrasment to the point of “repressed memories” that many years later you consider “rape.”

The next topic is reproduction.
Abortion, plain and simple it’s murder. There is no one posting here who wasn’t a zygote or a fetus or whatever. Everything you are was determined at conception, from your eye color to your bone structure to wether you lose your hair, (I coulda done without that one) but hey, that’s life, for some of us anyway. I’ll bet Johnny Zygote would agree.

Anything after child birth I’m pretty sure I don’t have to elaborate, because if you believe men have any right’s to their children you’re a recent arrival to this planet. Of course women turned to Big Daddy guv to ensure this.

Speaking of Big Daddy Guv, I’m fairly certain women make up 70% of the jobs in the public sector. So here is the cost of employing women in worthless jobs like human resources, teacher’s (cost per child is 45k in washington dc) Affirmative Action, Womens health, (10 offices for women 0 for men in the fed) Title IX, welfare,ad naseum, because it goes on for ever.

So here’s the formula, There are 19 million manufactuing jobs earning an average of 45k. There are 22 million guv jobs garnishing 76k, we’ll say an average of 25% tax rate. (19,000,000 x 45,000) x .25 = 213,750,000,000 in revenue. (22,000,000 x 76,000) x .75 = 1,254,000,000,000 this is women’s entitlement job’s in the Guv. The multipying by .75 was for taking out their taxes which really goes back to themselves.

So women in the Guv cost’s 1,254,000,000,000 – 213,750,000,000 for the taxes from amnufacturing revenue which give us a negative number of 1,040,250,000,000. So for every year we employ women in job’s that are worthless or benefit women to the detriment of men we slide an extra 4 years into debt. Entitlement’s cost lotsa money. Math is kinda my thing as you can tell.

What it comes down to though is that Big Daddy Guv empower’s women, sexually, reproductively, economically, educationally, socially and politically over men. Thus, men are forced at gunpoint to pay for their own enslavement, but the real kicker is that women like it.

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Malestrom November 10, 2010 at 15:48

”It’s fine to watch it in private, even with our boyfriend, but it’s not ok when it permeates the whole culture like it does now. It is not a substitute for women, as many men who have normal sex still consume it, and they will not give it up even if women paid for their dates. ”

You’re laying this at the wrong doorstep. Our entire society is pornographic because of, not in spite of feminism.

Sex is women’s core natural power base, they all know this, moving every aspect of society into the sexual sphere moves everything into the arena in which women are at the greatest advantage. Feminists like to claim that the sexualization of literally everything is due to sex crazed men, but this is simply not so. You are right when you say everything is about sex nowadays, everything, but this has happened because a little while ago it was decided that women should fully exploit their sexual power over men to leverage the maximum personal gain, and that this was fine and dandy and anyone who said otherwise was a bitter killjoy.

It wasn’t men who decided that.

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BWB November 10, 2010 at 15:52

The disgusting Swedish video has been reposted and can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqUFXbV6Lg

Archive it with Keepvid or whatever before it gets pulled again.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 16:00

Snark,

No, it’s ALWAYS money for the chicks.

Yep. Look at the female solipism of Laura. Almost all women are moochers, and the only exceptions are those who a) split the cost of dates, and b) don’t force the husband to work too much in order to buy needless garbage.

She truly believes that a man should spend 80-90% of his maximum output capacity working in return for having sex with a woman (who herself is aging rapidly), and when Game comes along, which enables a man to have sex with multiple women, and instead of 80-90% of his wealth, for just 0.001%, she doesn’t like it.

The worst is yet to come for Laura.

zed :

If Laura is an example of the “pleasures” of a woman’s company, “porn” is the least of women’s worries.

pwned!!

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 16:03

Laura,

Being the dumb bitch that you are, used shaming language to dodge a very simple question.

Answer the questions, idiot :

1) Laura, there are only two choices, porn or Game. Which would you prefer men adopt? Choose one. These are the only two choices. Remember that Game benefits women.

2) Men will give up porn, when women split the cost of dates 50/50, and when there are an equal number of women paying alimony as men. Note the word EQUAL.

Deal?

Answer the questions, Laura.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 16:15

Laura,

1) OK, so Game it is.

2) Even if the woman earns more?

So if the MAN wants to leave (because the wife got fat and is no longer attractive), and the WOMAN makes more, the WOMAN should pay the man alimony, even if SHE is being abandoned?

Is this what you are OK with?

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 16:23

No. If he wants to leave he gets nothing. If I am going to be forced to pay my hard earned money to someone who decides he no longer finds me attractive enough to be with I can guarantee you I wouldn’t take that laying down. I would probably resort to some sort of violence if I couldn’t take care of it legally.

Ah…….yet men are inflicted with exactly this situation every day, and women want to keep it that way (0r worsen it). Women like to get away with benefiting from this sort of thing, but don’t want the same done to them.

Now, you see why women should not have the right to vote.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 16:24

I would probably resort to some sort of violence if I couldn’t take care of it legally.

So you are exactly the same type of person as OJ Simpson, who did just what you would, in that situation.

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CashingOut November 10, 2010 at 16:25

The disgusting Swedish video has been reposted and can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqUFXbV6Lg

Archive it with Keepvid or whatever before it gets pulled again.

Holy fuck. I am a Black Man, and I Disapprove of this message (hte linked video, not the quoted poster). In fact, I disapprove of any man of any race fucking ugly ass fat skanks of any race like in that video.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 16:26

Men should go their own way and leave us women alone.

Works for me! :D

Well, Laura’s husband is still with her, so there must be something in it for him.

Like not getting ass raped in divorce court? Or, maybe he is a masochist?

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W.F. Price November 10, 2010 at 16:29

Men should go their own way and leave us women alone.

-Baltic Booger

And yet here you are…

This is really the problem with MGTOW — women will follow us around like puppies no matter where we go.

If we set up a men’s colony on the moon, there would be women whining to go there. Face it: you ladies will follow us to the ends of the earth and beyond. It is our eternal curse.

TFH November 10, 2010 at 16:31

Face it: you ladies will follow us to the ends of the earth and beyond.

Because their survival depends on men. There is no such thing as an independent woman, and never will be. Skadi is huge proof of this.

Trying to get the government to be the intermediary between male resources and female dependency on them is the most they have ever attempted.

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CashingOut November 10, 2010 at 16:31

If he wants to leave he gets nothing. If I am going to be forced to pay my hard earned money to someone who decides he no longer finds me attractive enough to be with I can guarantee you I wouldn’t take that laying down. I would probably resort to some sort of violence if I couldn’t take care of it legally.

Ah…….yet men are inflicted with exactly this situation every day, and women want to keep it that way (0r worsen it). Women like to get away with benefiting from this sort of thing, but don’t want the same done to them.

women have no problems with such things as polyandry, teen marriages, nudist communes, whatever you got, so long as it benefits them and no one else.

Ah, I love it when a point comes together…

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sestamibi November 10, 2010 at 16:31

Without scrolling through previous posts and knowing if asked above, but I can’t help but wonder how many kids Kristina Schroder has?

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CashingOut November 10, 2010 at 16:34

I had a nice “Hannibal Smith” tag reference going there too…I guess I should have put them in parentheses instead of brackets.

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Hestia November 10, 2010 at 16:37

@sestamibi-Without scrolling through previous posts and knowing if asked above, but I can’t help but wonder how many kids Kristina Schroder has?
She and her husband do not have any children.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 16:38

Outstanding post from Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c). Those Numbers from Germany on those stupid ass bitches are outstanding. The german men have once again shown the world leaders in military tactics. Strategy sucks because they are going to be over run by arabs. Tactics are A plus. We have here a public figure making statements like that and the young women aren’t trying to get her fired. That is what MGTOW is all about. Imagine 25% of women over 40 childless. That is how you kick a bitch in the ass fellas. The young women will start to be real polite when these and cunts start showing up in movies and television shows dieing alone. I’m proud of the german men for doing the job that needed to be done.
MGTOW works wonders on politeness. I have a four year old son. Looks like german maybe the place to send my boy.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 16:39

BTW check out the contrast between the two women pictured. Damn

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zed November 10, 2010 at 16:40

And yet here you are…

This is really the problem with MGTOW — women will follow us around like puppies no matter where we go.

And, what an odd proof of the effectiveness of Game – the more we tell these brain-dead bimbos to go away, the more clearly we point out that they are so socially retarded that they make autistics look like Dale Carnegie, the more we illustrate how little we like them and how much they annoy us – the harder they become to scrape off our shoes like bubble gum on a hot August day.

I’ll bet all of them are so wet at the moment that they are squirming in their chairs and had to go get a towel to put under them.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 16:48

Who was the guy this morning who had to let her know that some guys here are still interested in hearing her opinion… and encouraged her to “keep it up”?

It’s not just Joe Biden that needs a kick in the ass.

Every time a person posts encouragement like that, it ought to get recorded, and he should be dragged out in front of us to explain himself on the next thread like this, alongside his girlfriend, American Woman.

If people around here want to keep pointing out that “the real enemy is men” then the first step is to boot the men in the ass ’round here who behave like “little Biden’s” and insist that dizzy broads like this have something valuable to contribute.

I’d rather spend my time discussing things gently with a confused teenage boy struggling to find his way in the world – because I’d have patience for him – than have these idiotic so-con women continually show up to oversee that the slaves know their place. The worst are the so-cons, because they suckhole up to you for months sometimes before their true colours come out.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 16:49

Does it flatter you that some of the posters here consider you pleasingly submissive?

Trust me, that’s not what’s going on. It would be pleasingly submissive if she stopped typing. Right now it’s just annoying.

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Snark November 10, 2010 at 16:50

I think they would get more women commenting on here if they would be a little nicer to us.

THAT’S WHY WE’RE NOT NICE TO YOU, YOU DUMB BITCH!

God.

Damn.

What we do does not revolve around you.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 16:53

I got post #309 for Julie again.

$1

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Paradoxotaur November 10, 2010 at 16:54

@Jeanna: “I think they would get more women commenting on here if they would be a little nicer to us.”

Just let me know if you need help connecting those dots.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 16:54

I think they would get more women commenting on here if they would be a little nicer to us.

Good grief, does that mean we have to get even nastier than we already have been to get you to STFU and GO AWAY? I don’t know if I have it in me to get much more nasty than I have been. But, if it will buy us some peace and quiet, I’m willing to give it the old college try.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 16:57

It wouldn’t make a difference and normal women will not come here. lol
And, yea, why disrupt this wonderful circle jerk..

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zed November 10, 2010 at 17:03

normal women will not come here

And… where are you at the moment? LOL!!!

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 17:06

Paradoxotaur is that the Jeanna that used to hide behind glenn sacks comment policy and fuck with everybody on Glenn Sacks’ blog ?

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Retrenched November 10, 2010 at 17:07

“the men of the past were much more peaceful and satisfied”

That’s because the men of the past got to marry the women of the past.

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NWOslave November 10, 2010 at 17:10

Even if women come to MR sites and comment and are 100% wrong they might actually learn something. Keep in mind it’s so indoctrinated into our society to praise or excuse even their most bazaar behavior.

It’s really just a knee jerk reaction when they type nonsensical rebuttal’s when the Guv and media praise you at ever opportunity. Kristina schroder who heads the article came around, who knows?

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 17:11

Advice to women :

Be more like Hestia.

If you don’t know why Hestia is considered a rare, good woman, then you also won’t figure out why men with options (i.e. GAME) are not interested in discards like you.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 17:14

Laura just agreed that she would behave exactly as OJ Simpson did, if put in the identical situation.

Julie is probably worse.

……and they think we *want* them here??

Yes, this is an example of Game, negs, takeaways, and DHV in particular. It is really amazing how men are the only humans who ever really left the animal kingdom.

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NWOslave November 10, 2010 at 17:14

@ Julie….I don’t know of another messageboard on the internet that operates like this one.

I’ve tried to post on feminist site’s but they don’t allow posting’s unless you tow the party line.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 17:14

I’m not sure what it is about the presence of female posters that incites some of these men. We won’t be “submissive” enough until we stop typing, according to Mr. Snark. It isn’t as if he can’t skip over our posts, or as if we aren’t downrated into invisibility, no matter what we say.

I’m not here to know what some god damn bitch thinks. If I need to hear from some bitch I’ll get a newspaper or turn on the TV.

I don’t know of another messageboard on the internet that operates like this one.

Bet that makes your hole sultry don’t it baby. Stick around, I see multiple OH-gasm’s for you tonight. You are about to be reffered to as a bitch by somebody, I just know it.
BTW this is yours Julie

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 17:19

I think they would get more women commenting on here if they would be a little nicer to us.

Laura, I can guarantee you that even if we paid you serious money to never come here again, you would still keep coming here.

You really don’t know how women think (neither does Julie or Skadi), and are making to efforts to learn about how women think.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 17:20

Julie :

I don’t know of another messageboard on the internet that operates like this one.

And that is just about the best praise that could possibly be given. Congrats to Welmer for the success of The Spearhead.

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NWOslave November 10, 2010 at 17:21

@Laura…Websites that only have men commenting on them end up not being very good since you just keep reinforcing each others opinions. It’s nice to have a mix.

Can you not even see what’s wrong with this comment you made. This website you say can’t even be “good” without a woman’s comment’s. You’ve been indoctrinated since birth to value any woman’s opinion’s over any man’s. Humility goes a long way towards understanding.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 17:21

Websites that only have men commenting on them end up not being very good since you just keep reinforcing each others opinions. It’s nice to have a mix. — Femcunt

Do you see what kind of totalitarian cunts women like this are?

The men that are here gain respect amongst eachother by contributing something worthwhile.

This stunned femcunt shows up, gets everyone pissed off, and hamster-wheels here stunned femcunt brain into believing she’s doing us a favour – even after it’s been made clear that they are unwelcome.

The Best Invention Ever

And the next asshole who shows up on this thread and defends the value of having these femcunts here, ought to get one serious rugby style dogpile, knees to the ribs and all.

Once the camel gets its neck in the tent, you can’t get it out without having all your stuff strewn across the desert.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 17:22

It’s not anger Laura it is indifference. The men here are not here to impress women. We don’t kiss women’s tails here. You see it as anger I see it as “fuck that bitch” or as i should say on another mans blog “screw that chick” How women feel doesn’t matter here.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 17:22

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W.F. Price November 10, 2010 at 17:24

Advice to women :

Be more like Hestia.

-TFH

I’m not sure that’s realistic.

Hestia is to ordinary women what Fedor Emilianenko is to ordinary men.

In short, she is a total badass. She is noble, and despite Disney fairytales that’s a rare thing. Really. Damn. Rare.

Deference rather than imitation is in order here.

NWOslave November 10, 2010 at 17:25

Laura, your opinion matter’s but it isn’t always right by default. I’m quite fair if you are.

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Rebel November 10, 2010 at 17:26

@rob November 10, 2010 at 16:48
Who was the guy this morning who had to let her know that some guys here are still interested in hearing her opinion… and encouraged her to “keep it up”?

It’s not just Joe Biden that needs a kick in the ass.”

I might be the one you are talking about. I said let them speak their minds.

They are teaching us things, don`t you see? (heard of Macchiavelli?)

I wasn’t being nice.. quite on the contrary..

You saw the weapon I gave you. No?
If not, why all the shootings?

Nice fencing, by the way.

I just love it!

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 17:28

We are over 50% of the population so our opinion does matter.

Laura, I already demonstrated to you why women having the right to vote is disastrous. By your own admission, you are exactly the same level of morality as OJ Simpson.

No, your opinion does not matter. You just do what the social winds tell you. A man with Game can make you do whatever he wants, if he even decided to bother.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 17:29

We are over 50% of the population so our opinion does matter.

Let’s start with the article you are supposed to be here commenting on. Womens opinions are the reason we have this blog in the first place.

BTW how those German men tightened up them german women with the MGTOW techniques was outstanding.

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scatmaster November 10, 2010 at 17:30

Quit feeding the trolls. Just ignore them!!!!
Do not respond as difficult as that may be.
You cannot get through to them so why try.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 17:32

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rob November 10, 2010 at 17:32

I might be the one you are talking about. I said let them speak their minds. — Rebel

It wasn’t you.

I was being polite and not saying his name.

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Laura November 10, 2010 at 17:35

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rob November 10, 2010 at 17:37

Fairness is one of the most important things. My grandfather always used to say, “You don’t have to like me, but don’t say I’m not fair.”

MY grandpa used to say, “I don’t care if she’s your woman, shut that stunned femcunt up because she’s goddamn annoying!”

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ElectricAngel November 10, 2010 at 17:53

@Malestrom
Imagine if you knew the only value you had or ever will have was rapidly fading and you missed your chance to get anything lasting out of it.

Women outlive men by a number of years. Women spend roughly the second half of their lives infertile. In other words, women have evolved to become grandmothers. There was REAL power in this role, and they have thrown it away for the temporary power that comes from unbridled sex while at the peak of physical attraction.

I think this is the reason that women get the “baby rabies” around age 30. It’s not the lack of their own child that hits them, but rather the realization that their careers as grandmothers will be cut far too short: if their daughters also have children at 30, then they will never get to be the honored matriarchal presence at their oldest grandchild’s wedding, unless they live REALLLLY long, and their great-grandchildren will never know them. This has got to be, despite all the feminist propaganda, an immense loss for women.

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SingleDad November 10, 2010 at 18:00

It is alittle depressing to see you guys paying attention to them, their laughing at you.

Just press the red arrow and let’s get on with the question we should be asking, where did those smart German men go.

That is what we need to be learning next.

How to get out. How much to bring. How to get our son’s out. How to find employment in male friendly countries.

Form a sort of underground railroad to help other men make the transition.

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W.F. Price November 10, 2010 at 18:07

Mr. Price: Why do you not just simply ban all female posters? Easy enough to do, yes? You can start with me! There’s nothing wrong with having mens only spaces. The Spearhead allows men to vent in private in their online rubber room, rather than mumbling angrily in public, flinging cups of urine at women and manginas. I, Cranky, support your need for a separatist state!

-Cranky

Why should I? Truth be told, the repartée is rather engaging. Given my demographic stats, thousands of women think so too.

Watching seasoned gladiators like Rob and zed administer spankings left and right is a source of great amusement and can be very encouraging. Stick around and you might learn a thing or two from them.

Omnipitron November 10, 2010 at 18:11

I haven’t read all the posts here, but my comment is directed at Laura.

Yes you have stated a few well meaning comments in the past, but you are missing the big picture my miles in this thread whether you want to see it or not. This is the biggest pet peeve I have in regards to the MRM, that women don’t want to listen and you are doing this now, hardcore.

Yes, you wouldn’t want to live in a commune such as the one you described, but you’ve been on the spearhead, you know what sort of crap men are living in right now, do you think they want to live in a situation such as this? There are over 1 million men raising a child that isn’t there own, and you wouldn’t want to live in a place where 40 year old bartenders are seeing 20 year old women?

Then the message of the MRM of not p!ssing off men should be spread far and wide, NOT telling them to man up and contribute to the society which they have ALREADY been contributing to for generations.

Let me fill you in on something, it isn’t as if men aren’t getting any benefit for getting married, having children and settling down. Nope, far from it…men are getting ATTACKED for doing these things. There is a difference, and you need to learn it. You may say that you do, however, if you did, you wouldn’t have made such asinine statements about men needing to contribute to society.

You aren’t asking men to give money to a friend for nothing in return, you are asking men to give money to a friend whom they know could rip them off and steal everything they own. They fact that you are even suggesting this is somewhat discouraging and makes some wonder why you are even here. Why, pray tell WHY would a man get married, have a family, and contribute to a society, which castrates and rapes him?? This is the whole reason why the Spearhead is here, and if after all the time that you have been here that you are still asking this same question, maybe you should reconsider why it is that you are here.

The core of your ‘belief’ at this juncture is the core of the issues behind America’s issues. People, simply won’t do anything if by doing so it’s going to affect them negatively, you want a safer society, LISTEN when men tell you there is a problem. Don’t tell me that you have been, your posts on this thread show that you haven’t!!

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 18:11

This has got to be, despite all the feminist propaganda, an immense loss for women.

Totally. Don’t forget this table I made for The Misandry Bubble :
http://futurist.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452455969e20128768ad30c970c-pi

The numbers are staggering.

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The Caliph November 10, 2010 at 18:20

“Men should go their own way and leave us women alone.

-Baltic Booger

And yet here you are…

This is really the problem with MGTOW — women will follow us around like puppies no matter where we go.

If we set up a men’s colony on the moon, there would be women whining to go there. Face it: you ladies will follow us to the ends of the earth and beyond. It is our eternal curse”. W.F.Price

Preach Welmer. This is the problem.

Even solace in a masonic lodge will be a thing of the past, feminsts are trying to make them accept women too WTF.
I don’t see men beating down gates to have access to womens only organisations.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 18:22

Does anybody know if there was a cultural change in the way men in germany went MGTOW. I have read that Vasectomy was big there in germany. Or was it a default way the german men just naturally turned to.
The numbers are really awesome. Man I would dog them bitches into the ground. We dub and subtitle christmas and family movies and tv shows in german and send that shit over. Right now I can tell you my mother in law is alive because of her grand kids.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 18:24

Once again, I state that most women have virtually no grasp of cause and effect. No more than a 10 year old boy at best.

That we applaud a German Government Official for making a simple observation about cause and effect that would be visible to even a teenage boy proves this.

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Omnipitron November 10, 2010 at 18:24

Not much game. Just impotence (I mean that solely in the figurative sense, of course). I was briefly shocked, now amused.

What happened in the past? Or that’s right, I remember, guys had men’s only places where we could pal around, shoot the breeze without the sometimes annoying interference of ‘women’ around to derail things. Due to political correctness, male spaces where ostracized out of existence.

Looks like they are making a comeback, slowly at first, but make no mistake, it’s on the rise. Upsetting to go someplace where your word isn’t taken as gospel because you are a woman, and trust me when I say that men find it amusing that you still think you have the ‘power’ so to speak.

This is the 2:00 minute warning for Feminism, you will look back on these days and wonder what the heck you where thinking.

Believe it.

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Lovekraft November 10, 2010 at 18:24

It has become interesting, over the years, to observe women at the workplace. Years before these sites were up, I was challenging and standing up to the whole gamut of PC groupthink.

I recognized early on (with help from prior experience with ‘empowered’ women) that they put themselves on a pedestal. To this meek, struggling beta, she casts her gaze with contempt. What was I asking from her was but simple courtesy and interest. But groupthink prevailed, and once one calls out some Oprah BS or something, you meet face to face with the enemy called feminism and PC.

After several years, where one applies oneself to the job, the workplace changes. Instead of seeing co-workers in terms of their political leaning, one realizes that they were just living in denial. Enduring my job requires sustained physical energy and attentiveness, and when the PC trappings are cleared away, performance is what makes us. And although I am not able to verify performance based on gender, one can only look around at the absenteeism and reduced duties.

Feminists who treat men like second-class citizens, who dismiss us and expect us to be interested in their mundane and trivial lives are not feminists at all. I haven’t met a feminist in the sense that they would be able to clearly set out their philosophy/worldview in a manner consistent with logic and linear thinking. Not a one.

My point related to the article that feminist policies are failures:

PERFORMANCE, not attitude, is the better guide.

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Omnipitron November 10, 2010 at 18:26

If they really want a separatist board that women won’t visit, they can set up on a porn site. There are plenty of all male spaces on the internet.

Telling us where to go, how thoughtful, please continue to prove to us why Feminism doesn’t work and that women in the aggregate are no more responsible than a spoiled child. The more you speak, the more you prove men right that women can’t hang with men.

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J. Durden November 10, 2010 at 18:28

I’m probably the only person that read Laura’s link to Naomi Wolf, and I enjoyed the irony that the article ultimately ends up painting the highly patriarchal culture of orthodox Jews living in Israel as much more desirable – even for women – than ours. Nothing new, though.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 18:30

Look I’m really interested in what the german men were doing to get a woman to the point of making the statements she did.

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julie November 10, 2010 at 18:31

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Angelo November 10, 2010 at 18:31

Porn is a bane on society, it is addictive to men and is hard on relationships.

Reality check. If women would put effort into their relationships and go out of their way to please and satisfy their husbands then there would be little or no market for porn.

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Ray Manta November 10, 2010 at 18:32

greyghost wrote:
It’s not anger Laura it is indifference. The men here are not here to impress women. We don’t kiss women’s tails here. You see it as anger I see it as “fuck that bitch” or as i should say on another mans blog “screw that chick” How women feel doesn’t matter here.

It’s obvious that she simply cannot process that bit of information. I can’t think of a more clear-cut example of the solipsism of the female mind. She thinks the men here are “angry” when they don’t even care whether she goes away mad, or just plain goes away.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 18:34

Julie,

You don’t have an understanding of what Game is, and why it works (particularly on the better looking women).

This is because you don’t grasp how women think, and don’t seem to be making any efforts to rectify the deficiency in your knowledge.

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Laura Grace Robins November 10, 2010 at 18:39

Whether women are welcomed here or not does matter, as a woman you are still an uninvited guest on male territory. Show respect.

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Epoche* November 10, 2010 at 18:41

I personally find it more disconcerting that Germany has a family minister than anything that could come out of her mouth. It will be a cold day in hell before I ask for advice on how to live from a government official. The demos really does look at the state as some sort of caring parent.

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Omnipitron November 10, 2010 at 18:42

You can draw your own conclusions from these obvious observations. Logic isn’t a strong suit around here

:) Funny, but try again. Marriage in on the decline, there are articles on this very site which state that your future isn’t even as remotely as bright as you would like to think. Here is a lesson for you whether you want to admit it or not, men can get by just fine without marriage, can you?

Oh yes, child support mother’s allowance, of course, got it.

Who pays into that btw? Ah yes, that would be men.

Projection at it’s best, this is why women where dismissed from men’s conversations, fyi.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 18:44

Julie,

Anger? No.

An accurate understanding of the true nature of women, and how to navigate it? Yes.

Your seething bitterness is showing, as per your desperate shaming language. Plus, you still aren’t working towards gaining an understanding of how women think.

You oppose Game only because it enables men you consider beneath you, to now aim at levels much higher than you.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 18:44

Mr. Price: Why do you not just simply ban all female posters?

Because they are so much fun to use for practice. It’s obvious that they have absolutely no self-control, and they are very useful for demonstrating how to turn shit-tests back against them.

Girls, let’s pack up our Barbies and go home!

Yes, please, FOR GOD”S SAKE, do.

Doesn’t this confirm all of Roissy’s posts about “Asshole Game” that we get a steady stream of women coming in here desperately trying to convince us how much we want them. The less pleasant we are, and the harder we try to get rid of them, the harder they are to get rid of. Laura supposedly has a wonderful “Herb” at home, but where did she spend her day? Getting voted down into invisibility by men she claims not to like or agree with. I’ll bet her ‘gina is tingling so intensely she can’t sit still.

They will lay down all kinds of shit tests about “porn” and how much they don’t need or want us, and hope that their constant stream of blather hides the fact that there is almost nothing we can do to keep them away from this blog, and almost none of the men here are going to their blogs to seek them out.

This is how we bust women’s game, and keep busting it. For all the noise they make about how much more we want them than they want us (wishful thinking) women’s self concepts are as fragile as smoke – it takes a constant stream of male attention to keep them from simply dissolving.

If nothing else, this is a great place for recovering nice guys to practice their negs.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 18:47

Look I’m really interested in what the german men were doing to get a woman to the point of making the statements she did.

They went their own way.

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Omnipitron November 10, 2010 at 18:47

If you were successful with women, you wouldn’t harbor anger towards them, and certainly not the feelings of powerlessness you all wear on your sleeves.

Thanx Laura, WOMEN like you are the bomb and we have no issues repsecting the few of you which exist.

As for Julie, here is the deal. Womyn love the idea of power, and places like this undermine that perception. Sure some of the men here have been burned by women, but there are some who haven’t who learned otherwise.

The truth is that a man can survive without a woman, he can meet his biological imperative without commiting to her.

The opposite of a woman meeting hers without a man simply….isn’t…possible.

Feminists don’t want men to realize this, if men in the aggregate do, bye bye feminism, however, men are now going their own way, which will leave women in the lurch. So womyn such as Julie, will shame and try to use the dwindling leverage they have left to posture and possibly create doubt in us ‘noobs’

Time’s running out, guys aren’t taking the bait anymore Julie, have your fun now, I promise you it will end.

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piercedhead November 10, 2010 at 18:48

Men should go their own way and leave us women alone.

Spoken by a woman visiting a men’s site (*eye roll*). If you wanted left alone, you’d stop coming here making a nuisance of yourself.

Oops! I talked to a fembot like she’d take any of it in, and not because she craves men’s attention.

To all you sad, miserable, lonely trolls: stop making nuisances of yourselves here in order to get men’s attention and go out and get a boyfriend. First you might need to figure out how to attract and keep them, so here’s a hint: manufacturers make their products pleasing to the eye, and wrap them up in agreeable packaging. If they want continued custom, their product will continue to work as expected over a decent lifespan. Here’s another useful hint: Don’t trust your own tastes. Trust what works instead.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 18:52

You cannot get through to them so why try.

Target practice. Got to keep our Game sharp.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 18:53

Julie, how old are you?

I know you have passed your Wile E. Coyote moment, but I am guessing it was less than 5 years ago, putting your age in the 36-41 range. That is above the age limit of women I am interested in dating.

Therefore, you’ll have to do MUCH better than that to have a chance with me. If you’re lucky, I’ll let you take me to a concert.

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Omnipitron November 10, 2010 at 18:54

Can you try to stay on topic? We weren’t talking about child support. It has no rational connection to anything, even remotely.

Many men are good at logic.

Diversion, nice tactic, won’t work. Let me tell you what’s going to happen tomorrow attention seeker. In a few hours, your ridiculous posts won’t be seen as they will be negged into oblivion. In a few days you will be back to do the very same thing. In a few months, more men will realize that there are only a very few women who are worth listening too. In a few years, men will soon get their fill of this society and either riot, or sit down, leaving you womyn to fend for yourselves. Laura while she shamed the ‘men’ in this thread can at least see the oncoming train, you can’t.

Not our problem.

The more you spout your nonsense, the more you show men that women in the aggregate but some who really do take responsibility for their actions should be listened too.

I find it ironic that women didn’t want to be dismissed from the conversation are doing their best to make sure that this happens in the future. You will regret the times when men listened to you to have wasted on speaking nothing but useless tripe.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 18:56

Yeah zed I would love to get to understand the day to day dynamics and attitudes and thoughts of the german men.What those guys did to a whole country was awesome. I would love to duplicate that here in the states. MGTOW enhanced with game ,male birth control pill and a paternaty test kit.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 18:59

I know Rob will wait for me. xoxoxo — Julie

The bigger the femcunt, the more she loves Asshole Game.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 19:00

Before post #309, Julie will beg me for an anal pounding:

$1

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scatmaster November 10, 2010 at 19:08

zed

You cannot get through to them so why try.

Target practice. Got to keep our Game sharp.

I see your point but day after day after day.

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Josie Gallows November 10, 2010 at 19:08

It’s good to see that Germans are still allowed their freedom of speech against those who would sacrifice all sense and knowledge on the altar of Political Correctness.

Also, mind the difference. Frau Schröder is a beautiful woman with nothing to fear. Herr Schwarzer looks like a middle-aged post-op tranny with a somewhat talented stylist.

It’s funny how people ignore their own psychological connection to their physical body. Ugly women hate pretty women, they hate that they would be loved by men, they hate that such women could love men in turn. For them, lesbianism isn’t a choice but a direct result of their own homeliness.

Really beautiful lesbians aren’t afraid of men. They relate to men. That is, in my experience.

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scatmaster November 10, 2010 at 19:09
rob November 10, 2010 at 19:11

And Julie is such an obvious shithead, you know she does ass to mouth too.

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Laura Grace Robins November 10, 2010 at 19:11

Stay on topic? Is that why you and other fems continually divert to porn….

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zed November 10, 2010 at 19:15

Yeah zed I would love to get to understand the day to day dynamics and attitudes and thoughts of the german men.

I doubt that they did anything much different than American men are doing – there are just fewer of them so the impact was felt faster. Plus, I don’t think they have the same level of police state to support child support, so single motherhood is not the career option there that it is here and in the UK.

Imagine it this way – if you were able to get your tapeworm out of your life, what would you put in the space she left behind?

My own particular journey started out almost by accident. When I first started hearing that a woman without a man was like a fish without a bicycle, I just took it at face value as a statement of how women really felt. That being the case, I first decided that it would probably be a really bad idea for me to be more dependent on them than they were on me, so I learned how to do everything a “wife” supposedly did. And, I started filling the empty space that I had been reserving for a “mate” with other things.

For years I cycled in and out of the dating market. When I was out I would start to get lonely and think that maybe I was missing out on something. People would harass me and tell me that I “HAD TO get back out there.” I was thinking “relationship” and they were thinking “rodeo.”

Never being much of a nice guy at all, I never had any problem finding female companionship. I never wanted to get married, so that made me exactly the kind of challenge women love most. I didn’t understand what was going on at the time – this was 20-30 years before the foundations of Game got articulated. And, I believe that Game was developed by observing what the men of my generation went through trying to practice old values with sexually liberated women.

But, like a dog who loves to chase cars, every time I “caught” one it was not long at all before I wanted the hell out. So I would get out, and sit out longer, until someone harassed me into “getting back out there.” Eventually, “dating” became so noxious that I couldn’t even make it through a first date. Add to that the percentage of single, sexually active, women with STDs, and it eventually got to be like hitting myself in the side of the head with a 2X4 – damn it felt good when I stopped.

The thing is, I don’t think it works if men are trying to act indifferent as a way of getting women to come around. When you really do have better things to do with your time, your days are always full, almost always enjoyable, and nothing beats the peace and quiet.

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fondueguy November 10, 2010 at 19:20

I’d venture to say that a large amount of male feminists are actual feminists while most of the female mra’s are faking commitment (with some exceptions).

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Ray Manta November 10, 2010 at 19:23

Zed wrote:
Doesn’t this confirm all of Roissy’s posts about “Asshole Game” that we get a steady stream of women coming in here desperately trying to convince us how much we want them.

By God, does it. If I ever had any reservations about the efficacy of negging, I sure don’t now.

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zed November 10, 2010 at 19:23

We are over 50% of the population so our opinion does matter.

Not to us.

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piercedhead November 10, 2010 at 19:33

There is one small consolation in these women commenting here, and that is it reminds me of when I used to be in relationships. A small dose of feminine mystique like this every week or so acts like a vaccine – whenever some woman puts out her little ‘I might be interested’ signal in real life, it’s so much easier to stare right past her.

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greyghost November 10, 2010 at 19:35

The thing is, I don’t think it works if men are trying to act indifferent as a way of getting women to come around. When you really do have better things to do with your time, your days are always full, almost always enjoyable, and nothing beats the peace and quiet.

That is the key. MGTOW with enhancements. The german men have just replaced the the natural beta male drive for a family. The German women have really fucked up then. They have succeeded in changing the western male culture in their country to the point that MGTOW is natural and normal. It will take huge effort on the part of german woman and government to change that and it will take years.
Thanks zed I think i have figured it out

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Fender Cyborg November 10, 2010 at 19:46

Sort off topic, but it gets back to the German thing you guys were discussing.

The lead singer from Rammstein was born and raised in East Germany, and he had this to say about the fall of the Berlin Wall and the effect reunification had on him:

“When I was an adolescent, I was obsessed with having many commercial things, cars, clothes, stupid things. Now that I have all that, I include/understand that the superfluous things can turn you into a very stupid idiot-type. In East Germany there were very few things, but there was also a feeling of solidarity that no longer exists. Now we are up to the neck in consumption, the ego, the individualism. Now before friendship, it is merchandise.”

So, maybe because Germany switched from Communist to Capitalist literally over night, they had the unique perspective of actually living in both worlds for a short period of time.

Maybe Germans miss communism. Of course, we as Americans, will never know how it must have felt. The only thing we have is our smug assurance that OUR way is the best way. Consumerism is the best way. But I digress…

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Fender Cyborg November 10, 2010 at 20:02

From an article entitled growing up in the DDR:
http://www.photologix.nl/useuropeans/index.php?post=338

`For the first five years of united Germany, people in East Germany were ready to accept that the changes would hurt a little before improving life. Right now, many people have had enough of it, and they somehow feel betrayed. The Ost-nostalgia is somehow making people believe that the socialist years were not as bad as they had always seemed. Life was simple and had its certainties. Choices were only limited and the comfort of living was good for anyone who did not get too involved in politics.`

In my relations with West-German students, I often remember that we and them do not have the same starting points. Many West-German students have parents who studied as well. My parents, like most other East-German parents, are simple workers from a time when only very, very bright people were allowed to attend university. I still see studying as an opportunity, while West-German students seem to take it for granted as an ordinary part of life.`

`Even though East-German society got a lot more individualistic after the changes, I still notice that East-German care more about the community than West-Germans do. East-Germans enjoy company more, they are more used to organising themselves into associations. I also think that we are better at making friends and that we are more open to new influences.`

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Fender Cyborg November 10, 2010 at 20:11

Concerning German guys, Zed wrote:

I doubt that they did anything much different than American men are doing – there are just fewer of them so the impact was felt faster. Plus, I don’t think they have the same level of police state to support child support, so single motherhood is not the career option there that it is here and in the UK.

Agreed.

Feminism + Consumerism = death of culture, men aren’t needed.

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nothingbutthetruth November 10, 2010 at 20:12

You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.

Yes, Laura. We know how you contributed. Playing while your husband slaved himself to be an engineer.

My husband is an engineer. He studied a lot in college, while I played. I didn’t want to have to work that hard.

I am fed up with saying it to men. Conservative women are not our allies. The only difference with feminists is about the strategy to get resources from men. Feminists want the state to tax men to give money to women. Conservative women want their personal slave and they are afraid that feminism and sexual liberation has made this harder.

Laura has written several times about this. Something along the lines of: “open your legs and you’ll get a beer, close them and you will be economically supported for life. You choose”.

Women’s goal is the exchange of sex for resources. They only differ about the strategy. MRAs who believe conservative women are our allies couldn’t be more deluded.

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Lord Viktor November 10, 2010 at 20:14

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Alonso Quijano November 10, 2010 at 20:18

@greyghost and singledad

Thanks for the compliments (on behalf of German men anywhere reading this) and for staying on topic.

I understand that both of you have young sons and are playing with the thought of emigrating to a friendlier place for men.

Of course that choice requires a highly individual balance of many contributing factors, but considering American culture and lifestyle, I’d like to make a few recommendations if I may. I’ve either lived or worked in most European nations for at least some months over the years and have a pretty clear understanding of what happens politically in those countries.

First, I do not understand the “fetish” some men have for Eastern Europe.
That’s a step down in quality of living in every sense of the word with the possible exception of Poland (in a decade or so). I do not recommend it.
Most people know that in western parts of Europe, the no-go-zones are, -more less- in descending order: UK, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands, France, Norway, Italy.

Even with the recent successes, the climate will probably not change until a generation or so. You do not have that time.

I personally find Denmark or Spain to be the “gems” of Europe if I were to raise a son right now. Especially Spain, since that country had been largely isolated from the rest of the world until the late seventies under an ultra catholic dictatorship with a fetish for traditional families which is still felt strongly today and will give you a window of opportunity for about another twenty years.

I’ve seen the happiest boys growing up in Spain, where traditional “machismo” nicely counterbalances all excesses of feminism. Of course, the Spanish economy is in shambles, but hey, this is Europe, you live in one place, you work in another.

A workable strategy would be for example for you to send your sons to a German school in Spain which tend to have a decent reputation. They will speak English anyway, German language skills open the doors to Europes
largest job market and Spanish is spoken by half a billion people on your doorstep. They will move like fish amongst different cultures by the time they’re adults and you will have given them a headstart and a happier childhood on top. For you, there’s an excellent climate, great food and some of the hottest women in Europe.

Just an inspiration.

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demirogue November 10, 2010 at 20:25

The only benefit of western society now is to get as much young pussy as you can if that’s your thing and then kick them to the curb. I certainly wouldn’t settle for some has been skank nor would I indulge her crusty stink hole and ever fattening ass by working long hours to ensure she could fuck around during the day. And even worse, actually fuck God knows whom whenever she felt like it without repercussions because of the insane and perverse laws that enable women to run amok without consequences.

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universe November 10, 2010 at 20:26

German Family Minister Kristina Schroder is pilloried by the old feminist guard by making sensible long overdue comments in contradiction to the factually unproven feminist worldview. And the Minister is accused of spouting ‘non-sense’, yet.

Why these old propagandists are given this much credible public attention to consistently getting it wrong is astounding. The younger current crowd, vaulted to public prominence by the lies of 2nd wave feminists, should be commended for saying as much regarding their gender predecessors and must be in the position to say so to be considered respectable and honest.

Regarding why German men are leaving their homeland. A brief conversation with a German emigree yielded one answer – fewer opportunities in his line of work in professional long-haul driving. My speculation is that the private manufacturing sector is not producing as much to employ the agents of shipping.

Regarding the pessimism of one earlier poster, in the following post, believing it impossible that things are changing from bad to better. Stick around and watch how things are going to turn from ridiculous to the sublime. The wave of German Ministers, Swiss anti-feminists and American men airing their considerable concerns through blogging sites will drown those committed to inner civil destruction. These elements will be rooted out, overturned and buried like the compost from a previous harvest.

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rob November 10, 2010 at 21:23

Go fuck yourself, Viktor.

Your kind has been fucking men over for decades.

Goddamn Pathetic, little lord fucktards like you.

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Rebel November 10, 2010 at 21:59

zed November 10, 2010 at 18:44
Mr. Price: Why do you not just simply ban all female posters?

Because they are so much fun to use for practice. It’s obvious that they have absolutely no self-control, and they are very useful for demonstrating how to turn shit-tests back against them.

Exactly my point of view. This is target practice for enhanced efficiency in the field.
We must take the war on all fronts: this is our training ground à la Afghanistan (LOL!!)
And the targets are volunteering for the job. Take advantage.

… and now, our favorite mangina:
@Lord Viktor,

Do you speak in a high pitch voice? (like a shrill..)

In Italian, it’s called a Castra.

Know what it means?

Do you wake up in the morning and ask: “Where the fuck are my balls?”

Hint: look into your wife’s purse…you might even find your mummified pecker there… LOL!!!

Sorry, but those do not grow back.

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Imagine November 10, 2010 at 22:11

Almost 30 years ago I had to fly out to Germany to represent the family as my Grandfather was on his death bed. He was always calling for me for some reason which I will never know as I didn’t make it out there in time. When he used to visit us in NA he used to give me 2 of everything leaving my sister out. He saw something going on that took me years to see myself while growing up when it came to my mother and sister.

So as the years go by, every few months to this day I think about packing up and living in Germany. When I was there at the age of 18,”alles klappt” It just all clicked right. Now I read this article and what Alonso Quijano had written and I thank you Alonso and the Spearhead. It was the spark I needed to dig in and start some research on all of this. There is no money in the world, no amount of smoked garlic westfalia sausage or German beer that will ever get me to go there if the conditions are that bad with females.

“where did those smart German men go. That is what we need to be learning next.” – SingleDad

…I know that an absolute ton of them are seeking wives from the Philippines. I get a lot of detailed stories from people my wife knows from there and so many are from Germany. Many have purchased homes there and go back and forth and will retire there. You can get a modest home with all utilities needed for about 18k u.s. I don’t know what the hell I’m even doing in NA I sometimes think, since I’ve been making my living off the Internet the past 15 years and can go anyplace. Besides some of the great smaller cities, to make a long story short if you wish to live like a king go to Cebu. A 4-6+ room huge home will run about 2 to 6 million pesos (50k to 150k). They have changed the rules not long ago about foreigners owning property and gets tricky but is workable. I think the reason I’ve been staying in NA is because I’m very much off the grid and have been lucky nothing has slammed down on me yet. I was born here and still love it here, the infrastructure, the seasons, the lower crime rate, etc. We are still weighing out the good and bad between the 2 places.

Ha! It’s funny just recalling something…about 4 months after my mother left my father which was 2 months before he died, we were riding in his car and he said “I knew I should have married that Russian girl!”

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piercedhead November 10, 2010 at 22:41

Go fuck yourself, Viktor.

Your kind has been fucking men over for decades.

Goddamn Pathetic, little lord fucktards like you.

You have a poet’s heart and tongue rob. That curse sings.

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TFH November 10, 2010 at 23:58

Viktor,

You are an idiot, and a needy mangina.

The women who are NOT helpful are the ones being rightly slammed. Women who contribute positively, such as Hestia and Laura Grace Robbins, are being praised, on this very thread.

Your reading comprehension is terrible, exceeded only by your pathetic and needy whiteknighting.

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LaughOrCry November 11, 2010 at 01:11

Snark –
What is it, exactly, that women do?

My mother once related a story to me of when she was working in retail, she was on a break with some of the other women staff when one of them raised this very question. They pondered the matter for a little while and agreed that they were all stumped, then went back to work without giving it another thought.

I was staggered that:
- people could be so lacking in introspection that they reach middle-age without apparently ever having previously considered this question,
– they weren’t particularly concerned that they couldn’t think of an answer.

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Phil November 11, 2010 at 02:08

3 women have controlled the entire comments section of this post. You guys are still letting women control you. It’s pathetic. You are not going to change their minds. They are just here to attack men.

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Kathy November 11, 2010 at 02:49

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Nergal November 11, 2010 at 03:02

“Desensitized is the right word. I think porn desensitizes men to the pleasures of real women and their company.”

WHAT PLEASURES!?

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Nergal November 11, 2010 at 03:13

If you were successful with women, you wouldn’t harbor anger towards them, and certainly not the feelings of powerlessness you all wear on your sleeves.

Oh REALLY!? That’s hilarious, so if everybody here was getting fucked on a regular basis as well as being robbed by the state to support women, then their anger at having their assets stolen, and in at least one country being forced to SIT DOWN TO TAKE A PISS, would just magically vanish,huh?

You think women would be unjustifiedly angry if men made a law concerning the color of dildo they can cram up their fucking cunt? Or the kind of tampons they can use, or hell,flip the script, that they now have to STAND TO PISS regardless if it’s uncomfortable?

FUCK YOU. You don’t have fucking CLUE ONE about how these men feel or why they feel that way, keep your fucking sewer shut.

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Nergal November 11, 2010 at 03:20

Still, I have to admit that I am APPALLED at how quick my fellow men are to attack even the very girls that agree with them here at The Spearhead.

Yep. You are right on the money Phil.. It’s all about control..

Afternoons entertainment for me.

Still appalled there,buddy? She’s admitting it. It’s right there in black and white, she’s here to control men and men are responding angrily and with hatred at BEING CONTROLLED.

Is this behavior still appalling? The women who are catching shit here are here only to START shit. And this woman is actually calling you a ball-less pussy if you read between the lines. She’s attempting to foment discord in the MRM for the purposes of, yes, you guessed it…..CONTROL.

DO NOT FALL FOR SUCH A TRANSPARENT AND WEAK PLOY This is the rhetorical equivalent of “Your shoelace is untied”, DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

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Nergal November 11, 2010 at 03:21

Still, I have to admit that I am APPALLED at how quick my fellow men are to attack even the very girls that agree with them here at The Spearhead.

Yep. You are right on the money Phil.. It’s all about control..

Afternoons entertainment for me.

Still appalled there,buddy? She’s admitting it. It’s right there in black and white, she’s here to control men and men are responding angrily and with hatred at BEING CONTROLLED.

Is this behavior still appalling? The women who are catching shit here are here only to START shit. And this woman is actually calling you a ball-less pussy if you read between the lines. She’s attempting to foment discord in the MRM for the purposes of, yes, you guessed it…..CONTROL.

DO NOT FALL FOR SUCH A TRANSPARENT AND WEAK PLOY This is the rhetorical equivalent of “Your shoelace is untied”, DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

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greyghost November 11, 2010 at 03:34

Alonso Quijano

Friction and inertia are most likely in play in Germany. The friction is women in western society know no other way to live other than femminism. Femminism will be a fall back to personal security for them even though they may have an idea that femminism is their source of unhappiness. The german men through inertia will continue to GTOW for it seems the cultural norm now. My son is four now his potential german girlfriend will be born next year. That’s how slow this is. I not planning on buying plane tickets any time soon. Todays article is one woman talking shit so to speak. 20 years from now all of those childless women will be in thier 60′s and 70′s. Those selfish cunts are going to expect something that is literally not there. That is going to be a story to watch. Be a good time to visit and see how things are going then.
For now all western society is bad for men and besides that I’m on a mission to change Amercan society. We have 20 years, in that time many things can happen. A Japanese engineer may finally make a “cherry 2000″,we may have an artificial womb by then so who needs a wife for kids. That last one may happen, look at all of the old childless bitches. What better way for a mangina to serve them cunts than to engineer surrogate womb so they can enjoy motherhood. She will do this while married to some guy and stick the guy with the CS. or she can use that as a source of welfare income like everybody else. (The movie Precious shows this big time)
Overall I’m just glad to see men somewhere kick that ass. Men here have really shut down marriage but as zed posted up earlier we have a very powerful CS system. women are still able to get themselves pregnant. It is also socially a positive here for a woman to have a child as a femminist and not go childless. (you get paid and you get to “in your face a man”) MGTOW and throw in a male pill and it’s on. The out of wedlock birth rate going down 25-50 percent will put some CS industry people on unemployment. That is how amercan men need to get after it. (just my opinion on this)

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 03:56

Wow…comments off the charts on this one!

rob November 10, 2010 at 12:08

“An awesome letter telling a so-con woman to stick it where the sun don’t shine”

thanks for that rob. I have put it on my ‘Best Posts Ever’ section of my forums.
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/61/threadid/610/scope/posts/Default.aspx

rob November 10, 2010 at 13:52
I agree. Women should be banned from here. I have said so from Day 1. Women claim the right to commit crimes with impunity while silencing men who speak out about it. F*** them.

“Women Need to Get Much More Self-Confident and Tough”

Sure they do. So they can be lesbians. The eastern women I date are self confident and tough…much more so than western women. But they also retain their femininity and do NOT take on the worst habits of men trying to ‘play tough’. They have a very feminine ‘toughness’ about them but also a very feminine submissiveness about them too.

“Men use pornography as a substitute for real women. Even men that don’t have access to a woman will not put as much effort into meeting one if they are inundated with porn.”

Nope. I use porn as an VIABLE ALTERNATIVE to a woman when I want to. One of the ‘costs’ of having sex with a woman is you actually have to talk to her afterwards. She seems to insist on this as the ‘price of sex’. When women realise that a EUR20 disk is a VIABLE ALTERNATIVE they might actually do something about it. My bet is they will never wake up to that.

I have had guys tell me that the BEST THING about a prostitute is that you don’t have to talk to them afterwards.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 03:58

Anonymous age 68 November 10, 2010 at 10:23

“History shows that women only tear down civilizations after men have built them.”

Correct. And women are tearing down western civilization in their lust for a ‘man-love-slave’ provided to them by the state. When men do not get to raise their sons? They quit working for the benefit of others and work only for the benefit of themselves. Just like I did. I was hated by women despite being one of the very best ‘husbands and fathers’. Now I am hated by women for not being one of the best ‘husbands and fathers’. And not being a ‘husband and father’ is a hell of a lot easier. Women trying to manipulate me by claiming to ‘hate’ unless I do what they tell me to? What a complete joke western women are.
I am delighted to see that Laura and others have their comments hidden. I only stop by long enough to give the women a down vote every time I see a comment by one. No woman should be given a voice here. None. Let them have their voice elsewhere. Only ‘honorary men’ should be welcome here…my opinion.

“If the MRM can’t stand a little bit of scrutiny or criticism I can’t imagine it is going to accomplish much.”

ReallY? We have the remedy and the draft book is published. Any man who wishes to live free in a femnazi world? The new landing post is here:
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/14/threadid/606/scope/posts/Default.aspx

Any man who chooses not to read this book and use what is in it? Well? Enjoy your slavery. Bend over and don’t expect lube.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 04:02

Lord Viktor November 10, 2010 at 20:14

You are a scumbag. Men like you are beneath contempt. Go play blind mans bluff on a freeway dude.

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Nergal November 11, 2010 at 04:12

“Yep. You are right on the money Phil.. It’s all about control..

Afternoons entertainment for me.”

There you have it, Victor. Divide and conquer. The women who are getting shit flung at them here are standing knee deep in it and flinging it at us first.

It’s right there in black and white. They are here in order to attempt to control us. They are not our friends, they’re not going to change their opinion because we’re nice to them. Why would they? They’re on the team that’s winning! They don’t realize that this isn’t checkers, it’s chess. We will win in the end, there’s no other possible outcome, women are not capable of self-sufficiency outside of man-built civilization. They only see the immediate and think they are geniuses because they can pronounce on what’s happening now, as if that required some kind of talent or brainpower.

They are here to control us, and they are praising you for helping them to create discord among us. She’s not complimenting you, she’s calling you a sackless wimp. How do I know? Well,who’s she gonna reward? Who does she get squishy for? Not you.

DON’T FALL FOR THIS UTTERLY TRANSPARENT PLOY TO DIVIDE US. IT ISN’T EVEN THAT CLEVER. BE A MAN, USE WHAT NATURE GAVE YOU FOR AN ADVANTAGE-YOUR MIND. Don’t think with your emotions like our enemy does, or we will spend the next thousand years waiting for our chance at comeuppance and recovery. If we stay sharp,we can have it in less than 20 and they KNOW this. That’s why they’re here. To control us. To make sure we never shrug off their parasitical influence and give them what they deserve. Of course, they’re too stupid to see it, but it will happen anyway, you can only stretch a rubber band so far and then it either snaps or snaps back and hits you in the face. This is OUR CHANCE.

Don’t you see? This is our CHANCE TO LET GO OF THE DAMNED RUBBER BAND AND LET THEM HAVE IT…HARD!

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ReaderLon November 11, 2010 at 04:24

“…SPIEGEL: Do you have any sympathy for the modern man who feels a bit insecure about things? On the one hand, they’re expected to be loving, devoted family men; on the other hand, women don’t like wimps.

Schröder: Things have gotten very rough for men — but for women, too. For men, the problem is varying expectations about roles. When it comes to women, though, our perfectionism gives us a lot of grief. Women want to be super moms, super partners and super performers at work — and all at the same time. That’s stressful.

SPIEGEL: Who are the kind of men that the rest of us men should look up to as role models?

Schröder: For me, a male role model would be a man who, despite holding a leadership position, has the courage to say that he wants to reschedule a 7 p.m. meeting for 4 p.m. because he’d really like to be able to put his son to bed. I guarantee you that a man who did that would be loved by all the women in the company. We need to finally bid farewell to this typical German “presence culture.” In the end, the person who sits at his or her desk the longest is not necessarily the best. In fact, he or she might also be the least efficient. It’s also often the case that people with family responsibilities are particularly productive at work…”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,druck-728175,00.html

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thehermit November 11, 2010 at 04:38

@Kathy
Can you make difference between kowtowing and showing some respect?
Don’t think i was disrespectful to anyone, just cleared my points without anger or hate (well Skadi don’t deserve any respect ‘cos she’s like a child).
Read back if you don’t believe me.
i think debate is good, or at least can be useful.

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some dude November 11, 2010 at 04:42

Laura November 10, 2010 at 11:02
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Anonymous is right. I know a handsome bartender in his mid 40s who would rather date women in their 20s than settle down and have a family. People like him don’t want to grow up.

Okay first of all, why are you hanging out in bars, spending all of your families money on booze and drooling over this “handsome bartender in his mid-40′s”? Can’t you find something more wholesome to do with your time than be a bar skank?

Second, maybe this “handsome bartender” avoids marriage because he doesn’t want to be some dude who spent the best years of his life in college and slaving away at some soul-crushing job while his wife is hanging out in bars lusting after other men.

It’s just easier for him to bang hot, young women and have a harem so that when one chick gets bored or sees what she thinks is a bigger-better-deal, he can just turn his attention to the next one and have a steady stream of sex.

You women create this environment. This “handsome bartender” isn’t raping these girls, they go to his bed willingly.

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Kathy November 11, 2010 at 04:45

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 05:00

“Schröder: For me, a male role model would be a man who, despite holding a leadership position, has the courage to say that he wants to reschedule a 7 p.m. meeting for 4 p.m. because he’d really like to be able to put his son to bed. I guarantee you that a man who did that would be loved by all the women in the company.”

Shows you how little women know about business. The women will hate him for being controlled by his wife and not being ‘strong’. The men will know that he no longer takes his job seriously and he will drop out.

When I had two little ones? In 1993? There was a HUGE recession much worse than what we have now. I knew that LOTS of guys were going to lose their jobs. So I worked my arse off in 93 to keep my job at IBM. My reward? My wife gave my food to the dog for weeks on end as ‘punishment’ for ‘working too hard’ in the middle of a recession as the sole income earner for a family of 6. The result? In dec 93 50% of the people in my department of 130 were pink slipped. Many of them lost their homes. I made it through the ‘gate’ and kept my job, house, etc. Did women ‘love’ me for putting a roof over the head of my family, food in their bellies, education in their heads? No. They hated me for it. Gee. Thanks for letting me know how you hate men who are the best of the best and the being the best they can be. I am glad I stopped doing that.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 05:01

“I would love to get to understand the day to day dynamics and attitudes and thoughts of the german men.”

I live in germany and many of the men have figured it out. Women have babies and men have liabilities. So the men are quitting. If they DO marry they are marrying eastern women or women from foreign lands at a rate of about 25%. German women are reduced to selling themselves based on the ‘EU Work Permit’!! It’s hysterical.

And the German men who are ‘awake’ and not married? They treat women like 3rd class citizens. The women I am dating constantly note that I am MUCH nicer than the German men. And I have crossed over to Alpha and by my standards and very, very harsh with women now! LOL!! And even THEN I am WAY ‘better’ than the german men apparently! LOL!!

“where did those smart German men go. That is what we need to be learning next.” SingleDad

LOTS of them went to Brazil. Also? LOTS of them are still there living single lives and gaming the women or using prostitutes which are EVERYWHERE. I know quite a few german men who are single because I am in IT. They are ‘invisible’ to a great extent in ‘society’ but they are just quietly going about their business.

In my case I moved TO germany and I LOVE it. They are going to have to kill me to get rid of me!

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 05:07

piercedhead November 10, 2010 at 19:33

“There is one small consolation in these women commenting here”

The only consolation is that I just laugh my arse off now every time a woman says NAWALT and I give them the link to spearhead. I don’t even bother replying to that now. When I tell western women I want nothing to do with them socially? Which I do to their face. They are real upset about it. Gee. Tough luck. When I tell Indian or eastern women I refuse to talk to western women but I like being social with them? They always ask about why that is. Once I tell them, they 110% agree. The indian woman I know in the UK reject totally what they are seeing women in the UK doing. At first they can’t believe it….but after about 12 months they are forced to accept what is happening and they really don’t like it.

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alpha November 11, 2010 at 05:18

Yeah,yeah, the feminists suddenly think men may be useful to them after all, now that the economy may not be doing all that well ,
or now that terrorism has pricked the bubble of safety people were living in,
or now that demographics are changing in a possibly dangerous way….

first they say they don’t need us…
then they say it’s our job to help them….

now what do they say?

like that james bond flick where Bond(Brosnan) gets told by his female boss:
“Well, it appears you have become useful again”

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alpha November 11, 2010 at 05:22

Lord Viktor

You are embarrassed? No, we are embarrassed that you belong to our gender.

or are you castrated already?

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aspanishguy November 11, 2010 at 05:38

Alonso Quijano.

It is funny. You have a Spanish nickname. Alonso Quijano was the personal name of the Quixot. But you can’t be Spanish. The description you give of Spanish society is at least 20 years outdated.

I am quite the contrary. I have an English nickname but I am from Spain. I want to set the record straight.

Especially Spain, since that country had been largely isolated from the rest of the world until the late seventies under an ultra catholic dictatorship with a fetish for traditional families which is still felt strongly today and will give you a window of opportunity for about another twenty years.

Nope. Spain has been one of the countries that has endure a faster transformation. The culture has changed completely since the dictator has died in 1975. We have passed in only a generation from a radically conservative Catholic culture to a radically left-wing feminist culture.

Spain is one of the first countries in Europe to approve gay marriage and to allow gay people to adopt children.

Spain has issued a Law of Gender Violence, where if a man hits a woman, he receives a greater penalty than if a woman hits a man. This violates the equality of Spanish citizens witch is one of the principles of our Constitution. But the Constitutional Court has held this law.

Many political parties have gender quotas. Even right-wing parties are supporters of feminism.

To be fair, we have something better than USA: women are feminists but they don’t expect princess treatment. And they don’t expect to be economically supported.

I’ve seen the happiest boys growing up in Spain, where traditional “machismo” nicely counterbalances all excesses of feminism.

You must have been outside Spain for a long, long, time.

There is no machismo in Spain anymore. Spanish men are mostly manginas and white knights and they are quite content with feminism.

I couldn’t bear it anymore so I expatted. Now I live in Latin America which is closer to your description.

So, you have been warned. Don’t go to Spain thinking you will find a paradise untainted by feminism. It is sad for me to write this of my beloved country but it is the truth.

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some dude November 11, 2010 at 05:40

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No, it’s not. Women are different. That you happen to go after gold digging high maintenance chicks, doesn’t mean all women are like that. Don’t assume that everyone is like that.

You women are like parrots squawking these same age-old shaming tactics:
BAWK, NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT-BAWK!
BAWK-YOU MUST HAVE A SMALL PENIS-BAWK!
BAWK! YOU HATE WOMEN, BAWK!
…ad infinitum…

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some dude November 11, 2010 at 05:57

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I think they would get more women commenting on here if they would be a little nicer to us.

Seriously man, this shit makes me laugh. Hold on…
[laughing]
wait…
[more laughing]
This comment was even funnier than the “you don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization” one.

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Kathy November 11, 2010 at 05:58

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Lovekraft November 11, 2010 at 06:21

But are the women being BANNED from this site, which is world’s away from being downvoted?

Again, an example of the thin skins of femininsts.

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Höllenhund November 11, 2010 at 06:34

“Giving every woman a down vote is to be expected”

Hestia is an obvious exception, since she earned our respect.

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Alphabeta Supe November 11, 2010 at 06:39

When exactly did The Spearhead become A Conversation With The Attention Whore Laura?

@Laura

That it is not abundantly clear to you by now that very few people give a flying fuck what you write here any more is living proof that very few people ought to give a flying fuck what you write in here any more. Your comments here are also living proof of the absurdity of the fembot fantasy that “Women Can Do Whatever Men Can Do”: women cannot self-regulate.

Try it…prove me wrong.

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some dude November 11, 2010 at 06:39

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Omnipitron:

Can you try to stay on topic? We weren’t talking about child support. It has no rational connection to anything, even remotely.

Many men are good at logic.

Julie,
Porn wasn’t part of this conversation either until one of you women brought it up. Talk about changing the subject.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 07:04

Kathy November 11, 2010 at 05:58
“Hmm, therein lies the rub, Globalman..Welmer just doesn’t see it that way.”
This is Welmers site and he is welcome to do as he will on his site. Women caused no end of problems on his site and he lost some men because of this choice. Dick Masterson did the same with the same result. Women ruin everything they touch if not told what to do by a man. Especially children.

On MY site I only allow ‘honorary men’. Women who have PROVEN themselves by their ACTIONS to be supportive of truth and justice, which obviously means supportive of men like me.

The other MAJOR difference is that I am not afraid of the ‘guvment’ and their courts and their policy enforcement officers and their using children as a weapon against fathers. I couldn’t care less about my offspring. So I can not be controlled by the guvment via ‘access to my offspring’. I offered one solution to the Family Law problem last year which was ‘dis-own the kids, walk away, pay nothing.’

If ALL abused fathers did what I did? We would have been done by now. And they would ALL have access to their kids. But they didn’t. So men can only blame themselves for the situation they are in because they didn’t have the balls to implement the solution that would work en-masse. So I had to then do more work to develop and individual solution that would work for one man at a time.

Because I am not fearful? A YEAR LATER, I STILL stand as the ONLY MAN IN THE WORLD TO HAVE DONE THIS. http://www.youtube.com/user/peternolan1109

Interestingly. When I was here earlier? Some stupid men tried to claim my transcript of this meeting was ‘faked’ in some way. Well? No other man in the world (that I know of) has brought video evidence of the crimes being committed in the Family Court out on video and posted it to you-tube. NONE.

ASIO took it down a few times so I noticed Eric Schmidt that if he allowed it to be taken down again I would accuse him of perversion of the course of justice and also ‘name and shame’ him as a collaborator to feminists and criminal judges in the abuse of fathers by allowing the suppression of the evidence being presented to the highest authority, the Australian People. This version has stood for three weeks now. ASIO are PISSED.

All those whiny men here who have not got the balls to do what I did? Why would I listen to them? And women? LOL!! What a joke. The evidence is now on you-tube. The transcript is public. The remedy is public. Those men who want to be free can be. It’s that simple now.

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Zammo November 11, 2010 at 07:21

Relax ladies, I was just kidding about my request to you.

I’ll get my own beer and make my own sammich, but thanks just the same.

I’m Zammo and I approved this message.

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zed November 11, 2010 at 07:26

They are just here to attack men.

True. They are the Viet Cong of gender. We walk among them every day. By letting them spew their bile here, and throwing it back in their faces, perhaps some younger men will be able to learn how to apply that to dealing with the women they can’t avoid dealing with in RL.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 07:30

aspanishguy November 11, 2010 at 05:38

I was talking to a spanish chick recently and she moaned on and on about how ‘spanish men are such arseholes now’. She had NO IDEA that her sistas were responsible for her position. Divorced single mother of a 2 year old boy because she got a ‘lazy and bad husband’.
Men are quitting. All over Europe. Only English men are stupid enough to ‘keep at it’.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 07:34

aspanishguy November 11, 2010 at 05:38
“It is sad for me to write this of my beloved country but it is the truth.”

Ditto Australia. In Australia crime is through the roof, women are horrible, men are manginas, spineless jellyfish most of them. I really dis-liked my time there last November. But I am plugging away to see what result I get. Germany. I will live there until I retire. Then I might move to the Ukraine or some place like that.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 08:13

Just in case anyone has ANY doubt they want to brainwash your children earlier.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1991216,00.html

Merkel’s new center-right government has also pledged to expand the number of nursery school places, setting itself the ambitious goal of providing 1-in-three 3 under age 3 with state-funded child care by 2013.

Now. What did Aaron Russo claim Nick Rockefeller told him? That the Rockefellers wanted to get the kids away from the parents at a younger age to indoctrinate them into ‘state as parent’ by forcing both parents into work. Well? How the hell can a child under three understand propaganda and indoctrination is not good for it? No chance in hell.

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zed November 11, 2010 at 08:23

When exactly did The Spearhead become A Conversation With The Attention Whore Laura?

The Spearhead attracts attention whores like honey attracts ants. We’ve been running off attention whores, manginas, White Knights, and guys bragging about how big their dick is (how alpha they are) since the first week this blog was up. They serve exactly the kind of purpose here that nights out with a Game coach serves – guys get to observe, learn and practice.

They also serve another extremely valuable purpose.

There are those who object to using the term “marriage strike” to describe the generalized fall in marriage rates all over the western world. In order to be able to talk about it without getting sidetracked into irrelevant argument over whether it is or is not an actual “strike”, I’m perfectly happy to call it something else. Let’s call it “Fred.” There is some kind of “Fred” going on all over the western world – with Germany being a prime specimen of it. Lots of men are “Fredding” these days.

The great thing is that those of us who have already chosen to “Fred” don’t have to do much of anything to recruit new members of “the Fred.” Laura, and the rest of the members of her coven who came here to support her, do our recruiting for us.

Here we have a prime example of Skankus Americanus. While her dutiful Herb is out busting his butt to earn money so she isn’t burdened with having to “work so hard”, she whiles away her days playing attention whore on a men’s blog.

You, too, can have one just like her, or the rest of them. Wow, makes you want to run right out and blow 3 months salary on a blood diamond and $32,000 so she can play Bridezilla – right?

I will bet that during her short stint on this thread, our volunteer Skankus Americanus knocked at least 3 men off the fence – moving them from the “maybe Fred” column to the “definitely Fred” column. Living with her as she appears here would be like living with chronic painful rectal itch. Oh, I’m sure that she puts on a very convincing act when Herb comes home – recounting at length all the arduous labors of her day. But, all the potential “Freds” here have seen her without the mask, in a situation where she is too stupid to realize the advantage of keeping up her lies even here.

Even as she argues pig-headedly that NAWALT, she proves over and over and over again that she, at least, is EXACTLY LIKE THAT. Rare women like Hestia and Laura Grace Robbins who do actually get it, don’t argue but rather just add their female perspective to the points men are making here.

So, in reality, we should probably be thankful to our resident Skankus Americanuses and Skankus Austrailianuses for helping us turn would-be Herbs into Freds.

“The Spearhead – turning Herbs into Freds since 2009.”

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 08:26

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/19/european-birth-rates-data-germany

“Germany’s birth rate – which is the number of births per 1,000 inhabitants – is now 7.88. That’s down 16% in the last ten years and the lowest in the country’s history.”

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aspanishguy November 11, 2010 at 08:32

Thank you, Peter Andrew.

An example of the new Spain.

In Spain, they have been traditionally two surnames: the first is inherited from the father, the second is inherited from the mother. This has been this way for many centuries.

For example (taking English surnames), a person called “John Smith Adams”, has “Smith” as his father’s surname and “Adams” as his mother’s surname

Now (this is breaking news), the left-wing Spanish government want to change that and, in case of dispute, the judge will decide which surname goes before (they are proposing an alphabetical order). This is because the Spanish government thinks that father’s surname going first is male chauvinist and discriminatory.

So much for the Spanish “machos”.

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demirogue November 11, 2010 at 08:34

To Julie:

Hey dumbass, I am responsible. My house is paid for, I contribute to society and yet as a 39 year old male who’s never been married and childless, my inherent responsibility is to ensure future generations of men do not live in the current climate that’s very toxic to their futures. Oh and BTW, most of my adult life has been spent in celibacy so throw accusations at me for being a PUA. I’m not.

As I get older, I shudder at the thought of having a live in GF or wife that can destroy me at her whim. Guess what, it simply isn’t going to happen. I also shudder at the available crop of women out there who come across as nothing more than JAM’s (just another man).

Women have no skills that are of benefit to me at all. I’m truly the independent male . Oh and if you think I’m alone, I currently know 21 males in real life above the age of 30 and under 50 who have never been married and have no kids. Our combined assets are in the millions and the one thing we all agree on is women suck.

Keep shaming and putting us down. We want you to because it lets us know that we are doing the right thing by remaining single.

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The White Rider November 11, 2010 at 08:38

Did you read the attached article by Naomi Wolf?

Ok, I read it. What am I looking for here aside from the usual circular reasoning and self-referencing loop into a black hole where no logic can escape in which fiction such as “the patriarchy”, “rape culture” and where now-deceased Andrea Dworkin is quoted as somehow being a reasonable human being are somehow accepted fact. But then this is to be expected from the author of the “The Beauty Myth” and other tripe who believes teenage boys all rape teenage girls and spread HIV to them.

At no point does this woman ever draw the logical conclusion that it is women’s behavior that have caused porn to go mainstream.

That because women like to choose only the top 20% of men and waste their youth on the crazy dream that these top 20% of men can commit to 100% of women and therefore leave the rest of the chumps holding their dicks in the interim would cause porn to become huge.

At no point does this woman ever consider that the actions of feminists, like her, to make marriage a clear-cut Bad Choice with horrible laws that allow a woman to fuck her husband’s best friend and then get alimony for it as well child support for children that aren’t even her husband’s might, you know, make men less likely to want anything to do with real women and might cause more men to view porn instead of wasting their time going out looking for used up middle-aged sluts that will, statistically, betray them.

She does sort of veer into saneville for a moment there by talking about the fact that the girls in porn are generally better looking than your average woman but then she does so in a way that makes it look like women are the only ones negatively affected. She neglects to mention the fact that your average man isn’t 6+ feet tall with a 10 inch penis and a body that says they’ve been using steroids while spending half their waking lives working out, you know… like in porn.

Nah, it’s ok for women to demand that stuff on top of demanding a man be a higher earner, meet their mile-long checklists of little shit and of course be what they deem a reeeeeeeal man. But how dare YOU, a mere man, balk at a woman who weighs significantly more than you. That’s unrealistic of you. Don’t you know these women have feeeelings?

Nope, she can’t consider any of that. It’s almost all crackpot conspiracy theories revolving about self-referencing feminist ideology. Old boys clubs (Who doesn’t have their cards? Come on guys, represent!), rape culture, patriarchy and Andrea Dworkin as if she were a reliable authority on anything before she kicked the bucket. Great read though, consider me enlightened.

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NURBS November 11, 2010 at 08:49

I, Cranky, support your need for a separatist state!

Women are the ones who need a separatist state. Men built the countries you women live in and you women have done everything to ruin what men have built. It’s become quite clear that women do not possess any of the abilities they claim to have. Many men are starting to realise they’ve been hoodwinked into believing women are equal to men. Many men are starting to wonder what exactly is it, besides women’s capabilites of giving birth, that women bring to the table that civilisation cannot do with out? Women like you need to go form your own country and stop parasiting off of men, build it from scratch, develop your own technologies, without the help of men or things made by men and then maybe we will be able to see all these female attributes that evil bad men have been oppressing. Women have screwed men over for the last time in history, we are now in the end game.

julie :

Cranky,

If they really want a separatist board that women won’t visit, they can set up on a porn site. There are plenty of all male spaces on the internet.

Porn sites are all male domains.

Every male space has women in it, a porn site is no different. Women can’t seem to mind their own business.

Perhaps Julie you could answer this:

Why is it that women always want to join men’s clubs/organisations or activites when they claim that men stifle them from expressing their ideas and stop them progressing? It would make sense for women to go form their own groups which are independent from men and let men get on with their business, independently, from women, would it not? Why can’t women leave men and alone and stay out of men’s business? Why are women so intent on limiting men’s freedom of association?

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zed November 11, 2010 at 08:59

Keep shaming and putting us down. We want you to because it lets us know that we are doing the right thing by remaining single.

Yup. Our new slogan could be, instead of “I am Spartacus”, “I am Fred.”

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demirogue November 11, 2010 at 08:59

Julie what you fail to grasp is that men like us are becoming rare. I tell younger men to avoid what I did and that’s be responsible to society. You see dumbass, the less men that are productive, the quicker it ends for the likes of you. And in case you don’t grasp this, men like me who you take for granted and think nothing of are the real value to society. You also make mistake that we will always be there for this farce yet slowly and surely out numbers our dwindling.

Have at it baby. You deserve it.

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Max Stirner November 11, 2010 at 09:03

We should build a new civilization. Some men are already working on it.

http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/

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Höllenhund November 11, 2010 at 09:06

zed,

True. They are the Viet Cong of gender.

Hah! Good analogy. In that case, Western men are in dire need of a Phoenix Program and also a Strategic Hamlet Program – but this one will actually have to work.

The White Rider,

good observation. I remember reading that article years ago and Naomi Wolf seemed to be one of the few feminists I could somewhat tolerate. (I should point out that she opposes Dworkin in that article.) However, she obviously fails to realize that the popularity of porn is largely the result of female hypergamy. Although it should be mentioned that men have always been looking at porn in one form or another.

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zed November 11, 2010 at 09:18

The German women have really fucked up then. They have succeeded in changing the western male culture in their country to the point that MGTOW is natural and normal. It will take huge effort on the part of german woman and government to change that and it will take years.

Having always been a contrarian, I see it more as MGTOW being the natural state of men, and the artificial constraints that women built around men with the aid and the complicity of the alphas have been destroyed by feminists and feminism. I always maintained that feminism would “liberate” men far more than it would women.

The SoCon wing of the MM has always concerned me – in particular the tendency to elevate Dan Amneus and his “Garbage Generation” to guru status. Yes, binding a man to his own children was pretty good for “civilization”, and damn good for “womenandchildren”, and fucking fantastic for the alphas. Bill Gates did not become a multi-billionaire off the products of just his own labors – he skimmed the cream off the labors of thousands of men who worked for him just because he gave them jobs. The fundamental lie of “patriarchy” is that in any system, there really is only one “patriarch.” There is only one man at the top, who benefits greatly from the enslavement of all other men below him.

I pretty much always viewed the role of “husband” as being mostly a broken beast of burden – birthed and bred for the sole purpose of dragging around the load of an economically dependent family and economically and emotionally dependent wife. The word “husband” actually comes from “house BOUND.”

Some guys want kids, but they want their own kids – not someone else’s thugpawn. Take that away, and men have no reason to take the risks to become coal miners – they can make what they have to in order to get by, and spend the rest of their time fishing.

The old wall of shame used to keep everyone contained. The feminitwits made the fatal mistake of thinking they could tear down the wall for themselves but keep in in place for the average man with the help of the alphas.

Well, as Gomer Pyle used to say “Surprise, surprise, surprise.” Tear down the wall, and lot of men will walk out – go “Fred” on your entitled ass.

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Rebel November 11, 2010 at 09:26

Julie, Laura,

Maybe the time has come for you to tell us exactly what you are doing here..

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Herbal Essence November 11, 2010 at 09:31

Julie-
I once had a Feminist girlfriend who had a colossal nuclear meltdown after I told her I occasionally looked at tasteful nudes online. A few weeks later, I was using her computer (with her permission) and found 300 raw, hardcore videos of female ejaculation.
Photo of tasteful naked woman on beach = EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!
Video of woman getting rammed with enormous, penis-shaped dildos in both orifices until she jizzes all over the woman ramming her = A-OK!

Women blaming men for porn is just another tissue-thin shaming tactic.

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Alonso Quijano November 11, 2010 at 09:32

@ Imagine

Unless I was wrong in roughly calculating your age, I’d say you’ll do fine with German women born and raised in the Communist East. These are the kind of women – I think – Globalman (who’s in his forties?) is talking about, and I forgot to mention that in my earlier analysis. My apologies to the feminine and decent women born in the former Communist East.

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Rebel November 11, 2010 at 09:32

Free men,
reload your guns. New ammos coming up.

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zed November 11, 2010 at 09:43

Women blaming men for porn is just another tissue-thin shaming tactic.

And, it isn’t working, much to their surprise.

They have used up their entire arsenal, and show up here shooting blanks.

Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

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Herbal Essence November 11, 2010 at 09:48

Me-”What are you saying, Zed? I can dodge shaming tactics?”

Zed-”No, young man. I’m saying that when you’re ready, you won’t need to.”

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Alonso Quijano November 11, 2010 at 09:50

@ greyghost

I hear you and have to say I bow my head to your noble endeavour. My intention was not to tell you what to do, but to show you some options if your willing to patchwork your way around the problems instead of facing them and fighting them. Many times I hear from frustrated men in the UK and the US that it isn’t better anywhere else either. If you only look at the abstract and absolute, of course that’s correct, but depending on individual preferences, you can still find very nice spots on this planet to live a positive life if you’re only willing to search for them.

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Firepower November 11, 2010 at 10:15

Kristina Schröder may not be a 10 in rooishy’s book, so I may catch hell for saying that because of her views, I’d certainly dress her up German style in leather obersturmfuhrer’s helm and riding crop then reward her Nordic ass with multiples.

Scroder uber alles

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MikkoAP November 11, 2010 at 10:18

Julie: “I’m sure a bright fellow like yourself could figure this out. Perhaps I could help by rephrasing:

Why is it that women have been excluded from certain clubs or other institutions for generations, and when the law requires them to drop their discriminatory rules and practices, they continue to try to hang onto their exclusive status by other means? Aren’t men capable of dealing with other human beings as equals?”

Men are capable of dealing with equals as equals.

If women haven’t put any effort into building a club, they don’t deserve to have equal status with the men who have, because they ARE NOT equal.

Why don’t women, instead of trying to walk into a house that men built, build their own house?

Short answer: because they’re incapable of building their own house.

A minority of women would be capable of contributing to the construction, but only, if most of the builders were men.

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some dude November 11, 2010 at 10:28

julie November 11, 2010 at 08:13
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A basic failure to deal with adult responsibility seems to be the a central tenet of your “movement,” and the source of your bitterness.

Cue the Shaming Tactics Parrot:
BAWK! YOU DON’T WANT RESPONSIBILITY-BAWK!
BAWK! YOU’RE JUST BITTER-BAAAWWK!

Actually julie, yours was an impressive display of parroting You managed to include two shaming tactics in one sentence. I’d definitely give you a cracker for that.

What else do you have in your bag of tricks? Are MRA’s “gay”? Are we “threatening” or “dangerous”? do we “scare” you? I don’t think that you have flat out called us “losers” yet, nor have you used the “small penis” accusation. C’mon jules, work for that cracker.

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some dude November 11, 2010 at 10:31

To: julie, Laura and “Anonymous”

Behold your fate on this website:

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Snark November 11, 2010 at 10:33

Every male space has women in it, a porn site is no different.

Do you have any proof of this?

Rofl

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rob November 11, 2010 at 10:36

The Spearhead attracts attention whores like honey attracts ants. We’ve been running off attention whores, manginas, White Knights, and guys bragging about how big their dick is (how alpha they are) since the first week this blog was up.

I have found one extremely good use for the monkey-wrench bringing “assistants” that has served me quite well over the past few years.

Zed and I bumped into eachother several years ago on a forum… In fact, that is not true exactly – I had been researching “on my own” wtf was “going on” and had come across zed’s website and already had read it twice I think before bumping into him elsewhere online. This is perhaps five or six years ago when any men’s forum would be full of dizzy little girls like these ones on this thread, except back then they were basically running the show with their online “man-tools” plowing the path clear for them to have the MRM as they liked it. (Which is, in a state of confusion and hand-wringing that is usual of a Koffee Klatch session with the ladies). There were very few people that “made sense” to me. In fact, the only two that made sense to me in any real sort of way were zed and Angry Harry. Nearly every where else I would go would be steeped in “me-tooism” – things further burying us into a hole, and especially, we had to remember our responsibilities to the womynzzzzz and their children.

Well, one day I decided to show up with my shovel and get down to business. There was the MGTOW website going, so I took a stall and simply started cataloguing everything that I found as I read along in the MRM, so that there would be a “reference house” for people to use. Well… it worked in some ways and it didn’t in someways. There is gobs of info in it – several of the links are dead in it now, but when I encounter that today, I copy and paste the title into google, and most often I can find it elsewhere on the web. But, it is probably not “set up” in the most efficient way.

However, I still use it quite a bit – Lol, sometimes I can really crank out the info – plus I have a gazillion of “the best” pieces to illustrate my case on my blog.

Today, I fancy myself mostly as an “info bringer” more than anything else. I’ve read quite a bit of MRM material by now – most of it more than once, some of them five or six times by now. I think if men get the info… “the truth”… they will figure it out on their own. The men that are on these kinds of sites are here for a reason – if they didn’t think something was wrong, they wouldn’t be here in the first place – so, I don’t have to convince them something is wrong. What I have to do is leave them the information, or at least the clues, so they can figure it out themselves. (If someone else figures it out for you, then you will never take ownership of it yourself, will you? That is the helplessness of a child… and woman. Btw, I haven’t “figured it all out” either, and I’ll bet zed hasn’t either – it is a journey.)

So anyway, back to using women like these as a “tool” for your own purposes.

If you realize what they are doing, when they are clucking around like Marcy D’arcy complaining about Al Bundy:

(Hands on hips, with head bobbing up and down as she angrily asks):

“Why does he keep calling me a chicken?”

These women can also be very gullible in a way, and you can keep a conversation going with them for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of posts… did I tell you how many hundreds of posts you can keep these chatterboxes going for?

Round and Round and Round and Round again.

“Why does he keep calling me a chicken?”

And in the meantime, if you get what they are doing, you can lead them around for your own purposes – such as, if you want to fire out info to people, you just keep chatterbox going in the direction you choose in order to make an entertaining argument for people to follow, while you drop one relevant link after another, and one relevant quotation after another, and condense the ideas of “one philosopher” into an argument, and so on and so on.

In this way, you can go to a site where you might find more SoCons than here, and argue with one of these irrational beings, while convincing large groups of men who are reading along of your “greater argument,” which you are bringing out, and backing up with evidence.

Kathy, Alte, Laura, Julie, Anonymush et. al. can be used as an “engine” to give out accurate information to other men (like pointing out what they are doing, and backing it up by comparing to Schopenhauer, and then reporting it back to “the guys”).

But, after their purpose has been served, remember to drop them like the bad rash to men which they are.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 10:36

zed November 11, 2010 at 09:18

“I pretty much always viewed the role of “husband” as being mostly a broken beast of burden…birthed and bred for the sole purpose of dragging around the load of an economically dependent family and economically and emotionally dependent wife.”

Correct. I was very upset the day I realised even my MOTHER had lied to me about women. She COULD have taught me much. But she didn’t. She wanted grandchildren. I was 33% of her chances of getting them. Even our own mothers have lied to us much of our lives. That’s a big ‘shit sandwhich to eat.

“Take that away, and men have no reason to take the risks to become coal miners…they can make what they have to in order to get by, and spend the rest of their time fishing.”

This is correct. My hours fell from needing to work 2,000-2,500 hours a year to just 300 hours a year. I was at my hair dresser the other day who is my age roughly, got a couple of boys about 18-20 I think. And she’s in GREAT shape for her age. I picked her as 35. Free cosmetics I suppose. She asked me if I planned to remarry. I laughed my arse off, as did my mate with me. I told her that my hours had gone from 2,000-2,500 to 300 per year. As soon as she realised that? This look of horror came over her face as she realised LOTs of high earners like me can do this. The first job I did post divorce? I made enough money in 6 months to last me FOUR YEARS in comfort. I had to pay all my debts. I also have invested a lot of money to get the rule of law re-introduced in Australia. I would be an millionaire in a few years if I bothered to work 2,000-2,500 hours as I used to. But I don’t want to. Now? I can spend ENTIRE WEEKENDs with a lady friend. I have not done that since 1985.

zed November 11, 2010 at 09:43

“Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.”

Zed, what is inevitable is that sooner or later more men are going to wake up like me and realise this simple fact:

“I am my own sovereign. My own king. No man is the boss of me. And should one try? I will defend my rights to the death.”

When men realise THAT? They will be free.

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some dude November 11, 2010 at 10:36

zed November 11, 2010 at 08:23
There are those who object to using the term “marriage strike” to describe the generalized fall in marriage rates all over the western world. In order to be able to talk about it without getting sidetracked into irrelevant argument over whether it is or is not an actual “strike”, I’m perfectly happy to call it something else. Let’s call it “Fred.”

Let’s add an ‘e’ to that word and call it “free’d”

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NURBS November 11, 2010 at 10:37

julie:

I’m sure a bright fellow like yourself could figure this out. Perhaps I could help by rephrasing:

Why is it that women have been excluded from certain clubs or other institutions for generations, and when the law requires them to drop their discriminatory rules and practices, they continue to try to hang onto their exclusive status by other means? Aren’t men capable of dealing with other human beings as equals?

Are you thick? Those clubs and institutions are nothing to do with women, that’s why they’ve been excluded for generations. Freedom of association allows private clubs and organisation to admit/discriminate against whomever they want, that’s the great thing about freedom but I guess in the female brain freedom for men equals discrimination for women. Why should the government dictate what private clubs do? It’s none of the government’s or women’s business.

I noticed you also selectively missed out the rest of the question:

It would make sense for women to go form their own groups which are independent from men and let men get on with their business, independently, from women, would it not?

You still have not answered my point. Or is it beyond your colossal female mind?

Because of women like you Julie the government now interferes in private businesses and organisations and freedom of association is now effectively illegal for men because of women. Hypocritical filth like you have made men’s clubs illegal all the while keeping women-only clubs legal. So don’t try and play games moron. Answer the question I put to you: Why do you think women have the right to join men’s clubs or organisations? Can’t you answer that? Why do you women have to interfere in men’s private business? You are free to form your own groups with women, why can’t you stay away from things that don’t concern you? Why do women who have sort independence from men want to join men’s clubs/organisations?

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 10:39

The White Rider November 11, 2010 at 08:38
Well said White Rider. It’s about freaking time MEN slammed women to the mat every time they ‘squeak up’.
I asked men here to come help me over at the Irish Freeman site but you didn’t. They are now in the process of manginaing themselves into irrelevency. That site could have really gone a head a bit with a few more men over there. Only Edgar from here posted there any number of times. There is no other site that had a better chance to make a real difference.

Gentlemen, the way forward is NOT to just slam the women to the mat. It is to slam Manginas to the mat as well. The first thing a woman looks for is a mangina to do her bidding. Well? When enough men have enough balls to get out of just posting on places where 99% already agree with you and go talk where only 1% agree with you? THEN you might get somewhere. And it works better to go in some significant numbers.

Alonso Quijano November 11, 2010 at 09:32
I am 46…and I date in the 30-35 range. Any older is too old. Any younger is ‘too feminised’. Not sure what I will do in 5 years time as the feminised 25 years olds come into my target age range.

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The White Rider November 11, 2010 at 10:43

Bill Gates did not become a multi-billionaire off the products of just his own labors – he skimmed the cream off the labors of thousands of men who worked for him just because he gave them jobs. The fundamental lie of “patriarchy” is that in any system, there really is only one “patriarch.” There is only one man at the top, who benefits greatly from the enslavement of all other men below him.

More accurately it is oligarchy. Which of course has little to do with gender as feminists love to apply to anything and everything along with their easily disproven self-referencing theories. In fact, an oligarchy with women at the helm would probably be even worse. Look at how the laws are going now. It’s becoming a disgusting practice in “Rules for thee, but not for me!” where judges are instructed to give women lesser sentences for the same crime. Although, it was already happening anyway and there’s documented proof of it going back to the 1890s. This just makes it official policy and even more widespread.

Here’s a recent example:

PROBATION for a female child molester. Yes, just probation with a couple slaps on the wrist like a small fine and 50 hours of community service. A five year old child, molested and if you are a woman you are not going to get many years behind bars like a man will for being caught with a small amount of drugs in the US. Here in Canada where the court and prison systems were so inundated with bullshit cases of (male) Marijuana possession that they had to make it semi-legal just so they could process some actual crimes in between transferring wealth from now-divorced men to their now ex-wives, I guess.

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 10:49

rob November 11, 2010 at 10:36

“I took a stall and simply started cataloguing everything that I found as I read along in the MRM, so that there would be a “reference house” for people to use.”

Rob, a lot of guys have done this. I fell into this trap as well. One of the books I have been writing was a book to collect stuff together to publish. What is wrong with this idea? Well? There is, in fact, too much to read. The lads like it but it doesn’t help them much. So I took a minimalist approach in the book written through me. I threw away AT LEAST 50 pages. I put in ALL AND ONLY what a man needs to know to be free.

So now it’s real simple. I can have this conversation:

Me: “Do you want to live in freedom?”
Him: “Yes”
Me: “Read this book”

End of story. End of ‘sales cycle’. End of discussion. If he wants to live in freedom he will read it and learn. If he wants to be a slave? So be it.

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TFH November 11, 2010 at 10:53

I think one of the most telling comments in the whole thread was that Laura admitted that if she, as a woman, ever had to pay alimony because her husband left her because she became fat, she would resort to violence against him.

So Laura has admitted that she would behave exactly as OJ Simpson did in the same situation.

That particular admission should be seen by all men. Women COULD NOT survive under the treatment men are already subjected to every day.

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Migu November 11, 2010 at 10:54

Haven’t lived there since 07.

German men were mostly white knights then. Even the fachhochschueler.

Krautskanks…… Yeah borders do nothing.

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The White Rider November 11, 2010 at 10:57

@julie

Do you have any proof of this?

Yes. About 1/4 to 1/3 of all Internet porn viewers are, get this, female.

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The White Rider November 11, 2010 at 10:59

Ah, did that link for the molester woman not show up? Here’s the link anyway.

http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=13472243

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W.F. Price November 11, 2010 at 10:59

The word “bound” has a completely different origin.

-julie

You’re probably wrong about that:

bond (n.)
early 13c., “anything that binds,” phonetic variant of band (1) (for vowel change, see long), influenced by O.E. bonda “householder,” lit. “dweller” (see bondage). The verb is 1670s (trans.), 1836 (intr.). Legalistic sense first recorded 1590s.

band (v.)
1520s, “to bind or fasten;” also “to join in a company,” from band (1) and (2) in various noun senses, and partly from Fr. bander. The meaning “to affix an ID band to (a wild animal, etc.)” is attested from 1914.

band (1)
“a flat strip,” also “something that binds,” a merger of two words, ultimately from the same source. In the sense “that by which someone or something is bound,” it is attested from early 12c., from O.N. band “thin strip that ties or constrains,” from P.Gmc. *bindan (related to Mod.Eng. bend and bind), from PIE *bendh- “to bind” (cf. Goth bandi “that which binds; Skt. bandhah “a tying, bandage,” source of bandana; M.Ir. bainna “bracelet”). Most of the figurative senses of this word have passed into bond (q.v.), which originally was a phonetic variant of band. The meaning “a flat strip” (late 14c.) is from O.Fr. bande “strip, edge, side,” via O.N.Fr. bende, from O.H.G. binda, from P.Gmc. *bindan (see above). In M.E., this was distinguished by the spelling bande, but since the loss of the final -e the words have fully merged. Meaning “broad stripe of color” is from late 15c.; the electronics sense of “range of frequencies or wavelengths” is from 1922. The O.N.Fr. form was retained in heraldic bend.

bind
O.E. bindan “to tie up with bonds” (literally and figuratively), also “to make captive; to cover with dressings and bandages” (class III strong verb; past tense band, pp. bunden), from PIE base *bhendh- “to bind” (see bend). A derived noun, in various senses, traces back to late Anglo-Saxon times; meaning “tight or awkward situation” is from 1851.

bound (adj.2)
“ready to go,” c.1200, boun, from O.N. buinn pp. of bua “to prepare,” also “to dwell, to live,” from P.Gmc. *bowan (cf. O.H.G. buan “to dwell,” O.Dan. both “dwelling, stall”), from PIE base *bheue- “to be, exist, dwell” (see be). Final -d is presumably through association with bound (adj.1).
bound

past tense of bind (v.).

bound (adj.1)
“fastened,” mid-14c., in figurative sense of “compelled,” from bounden, pp. of bind (q.v.). Meaning “under obligation” is from late 15c.; the literal sense “made fast by tying” is the latest recorded (1550s).

Anyway, husband, bondsman (i.e. slave, indentured servant) and bondage have the same origin.

zed November 11, 2010 at 11:16

Why do women who have sort independence from men want to join men’s clubs/organisations?

Because there is absolutely nothing they hate more than a free man – meaning a man who is not under their control. They even hate free men more than they hate Herbs.

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Lord Viktor November 11, 2010 at 11:20

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XS November 11, 2010 at 11:38

I don’t know what MGTOW means!!!

….there, I said it.

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rob November 11, 2010 at 11:43

Men
Going
Their
Own
Way

and

Man
Going
His
Own
Way

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TFH November 11, 2010 at 11:57

julie the foolie :

Why are you so quick to attribute hatred to huge swaths of the population?

Because they have demonstrably exhibited this first, and the men here are merely making an observation.

Most women view men in much the same way as the Japanese view whales – as a resource to be pillaged like there is no tomorrow, rather than as sentient beings.

You still have a lot to learn about how women think.

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thehermit November 11, 2010 at 11:59

I think one of the most telling comments in the whole thread was that Laura admitted that if she, as a woman, ever had to pay alimony because her husband left her because she became fat, she would resort to violence against him.

that was a nice catch, so to say :)

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rob November 11, 2010 at 12:03

@ Vikotr

You weren’t disagreeing.

You were a white fucking knight trying to chastize us into chivalry.

If you want to argue why women should be in the MRM – then argue it to us, don’t decide that YOU, one fucking person, can be Moses and decide for everyone else here that there is value into having these shrews here, and keep telling them to show up – you were over-ruling everyone else here and disrespecting them at the same time.

For the 20 or 30 guys that get on a thread to discuss things, and start actually making headway… what kind of respect do they owe to people like you who derail a fruitful discussion so only you and one of these harpies can go round and round and round?

If you and her destroy it for 20 or 30 people who are discussing something of relevance, plus the many more people lurking… then exactly why shouldn’t all of us ruin your fucking day too?

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Alonso Quijano November 11, 2010 at 12:03

@ aspanishguy

No, I’m not Spanish, I think I made that pretty clear. I understand where you are coming from and that the current state of affairs depresses you. But you see, it’s all relative. To you Spain is a degenerate leftist state by now, to me, it finaly blew off the last dust of some ultra hypocritical “opus dei” feeling to the country, without losing family cohesion and a healthy relationship between the sexes…

You’re right about the quick transformation of Spain since 1976, but I disagree about the totality of that cultural change you describe. Economic tranformation, yes. Cultural transformation, rather slow. You obviously haven’t seen much of the rest of Europe lately.

I agree that in recent years the political surface of the country has been polished to resemble the “modern” feminist states of the rest of Europe and that some laws, like that Gender Violence one you described, suck big time. But looking closer, you should know it’s a scam designed for (or abused by) immigrant women from exactly those countries you went to. Funny.

Regarding the traditional “macho iberico”, a mama’s boy compensating his lack of masculinity with false bravado and brutal homophobia, yes, they’re a dying species, and endless source of fun and complaint of younger Spanish women, you got that right.

The essence of the real masculine spirit (I shouldn’t have termed it “machismo” from the beginning, you’re right, they’re two different things) on the other hand, as a counterbalance of feminist extremes is alive and well as you can tell by the recent scandal around famous writer Sanchez-Dragó.

One thing I really don’t understand is this: You defend the realistic, non-princess attitude of Spanish women, only to emigrate to Latin America, home to some of the worst princesses of all? Hope at least you went to Brasil or further south hermano…

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XS November 11, 2010 at 12:04

Thanks!

Phew, thought I was missing out on something there for a minute. I MGTOWed it over to the Philippines for hot young chicks (no face plaster) and cheap beer for a few weeks.

It was MGTOWrious.

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rob November 11, 2010 at 12:14

In the case of this board, it’s deadweight ideology, whining, blame-shifting, and self-deception in quantities in excess of MGTOW, meaning it will never fly in respectable company. A man who is so weighted down he is rejected by almost everyone has acheived MGTOW, a badge of honor here. — Harpie

Translation:

I am angry because these men don’t want to waste their lives slaving away for this whole between my legs in which a brontasaurus could lose its neck.

How dare they!

Then I’d have to do things on my own!!! And that would be hard!!!

I will bring these little boys back to “the right way of thinking” because I am morally superior to them.

PS. Why can’t I make Rob like me? He is hawt!

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Bob Fairlane November 11, 2010 at 12:21

Immigration=suicide of Germany

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Jabberwocky November 11, 2010 at 12:35

Using porn is morally superior to giving women any kind of financial support.

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meistergedanken November 11, 2010 at 12:40

I think I smell an imminent banning…

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rob November 11, 2010 at 12:50

So which is it? Are you successful exploiters, through your fake strategy? Or are you the losers, the betas, the oppressed who have no choice but to concede defeat by withdrawing? — Harpie the Femcunt

Which of these describes you?

Projection much?

How do females successfully exploit, through fake strategy?

Do women wear make-up to have their faces & lips appear redder than they really are… do they have eyelashes that appear longer than they are?

Are their tits really as firm and as big as they are? Or is she wearing a lift and separate to enhance their shape? I hear you can even get bras with fake hard nipples built in.

Are high heeled shoes worn for comfort, or for other purposes?

Is her hair colour real?

Why does she have to dangle fishing lures off of her ears? Does she think I am a trout to be gutted and fried for lunch?

Why are over 70% of divorces initiated by women? Doesn’t this mean they are defrauding their marriage contract?

Why are crimes of deceit mostly committed by women? (ie. Fraud, Perjury)… and yet, how come most men in jail for things like fraud are men?

If men and women are equal, as the fembots love to shriek, then does this mean they are also equal in sin? If so, how might it be that women sin? Is it in the same way as men? Or do they deceive men into thinking their sins aren’t real, or not “equally bad?”

… Or are you the losers, the betas, the oppressed who have no choice but to concede defeat by withdrawing. — Mistress Harpie Femcunt

“My feelings about women are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a freed slave deciding to stand up and simply walk off the plantation, I hear the nagging voice of the mistress trying to shame me to come back by calling me a loser, a beta… of conceding defeat and withdrawing. I look back briefly, flash her smile, and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What she was, as a person, I mean, what her shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” — Fedrz, in The Spearhead comments, Nov 2010

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zimmy November 11, 2010 at 12:55

This Julie person demonstrates that she, like so many women is incapable of intellectual growth let alone common sense.

The inherent selfish self interest that so many women have is an evolutionary dead end. She is like a fish in a fish tank incapable of understanding what goes on outside of it.

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rob November 11, 2010 at 13:20

Please clarify. Thanks.

Haven’t people been “clarifying” things into your thick fucking skull for hundreds of posts already?

Didn’t you run up another thread into the 300-400 range asking the same questions?

How many men have now taken the time to explain those questions to you clearly and patiently?

Wasn’t that the thread where it was clearly illustrated that these stupid broads are not here to seek truth, but to confuse and keep us from finding it?

What the fuck makes you think you deserving anything from anyone around here except being told to fuck off?

Once the camel gets its head in the tent, you can’t get it out wihout your stuff being strewn all across the desert.

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julie November 11, 2010 at 13:28

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zimmy November 11, 2010 at 13:30

“I was under the impression that “inherent selfishness” is a quality not generally punished by the evolutionary process”
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“Inherent selfishness” to a fault. When 1/2 of a species is much more self centered, self absorbed, and more manipulative than the other half; there can be no balance.

While I’m tempted to go ‘Darwin’ on you I realize that you are still in that fish tank so it’s useless……..

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rob November 11, 2010 at 13:31

The regulars don’t stay on topic,

Because of dumb cunts like you

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rob November 11, 2010 at 13:34

or answer questions directly or honestly.

Like when you promised respect to Welmer on that last thread you ruined, by declaring you were leaving?

Should we believe you are truthful, or a manipulative liar who doesn’t say what she means?

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julie November 11, 2010 at 13:38

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Alphabeta Supe November 11, 2010 at 13:40

“so which is it?”

@Julie

Presenting false dichotomies does not a call-out make. Or, to translate for the irrational female brain, searching your emotional closet for mis-matched pairs of hurt feelings then knitting them together as a contradiction of logic doesn’t automatically make them so.

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Zammo November 11, 2010 at 13:48

Way too much estrogen in this discussion.

Time to drink beer and eat sandwiches.

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julie November 11, 2010 at 13:49

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J. Durden November 11, 2010 at 13:56

Trollin’ is one of my favorite pass times, and julie here done troll’d everyone good.

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rob November 11, 2010 at 14:00

so I’ll leave the board until you have regained your composure.

Liar.

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zed November 11, 2010 at 14:04

@J.Durden

I’ll bet julie/jeanna has just convinced at least 10 more potential Herbs to go Fred. Can anyone imagine a more miserable existence than being trapped in a marriage to a creature like that?

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NURBS November 11, 2010 at 14:09

Julie illustrates why she hasn’t answered the point about why women want to join men’s clubs or organisations. Women want to do so to cause trouble and derail men’s ambitions, which is extactly what she is doing here on this website. She, like other women, probably know that when men get together without women they can achieve things that women couldn’t do in women-only groups and perhaps more importantly discuss the subject of women without women controlling the parameters of what can be said about them. Women like Julie seek to join men-only clubs/organisations so they can subvert them from their original intentions and realign them to suit the female agenda of consealing their true self, and in due course being able to claim joint credit for things achieved by men.

The reality is Julie, and the other female trolls that frequently derail discussions, are scared. Women are scared men will or have found out the truth about women. Women work hard to hide from men who they really are. Women work hard at creating an avatar that enables them to manipulate men. Men-only gatherings present the ultimate insecurity for women, that their mask of deception will be torn down and the unpleasant truth about women will be exposed to men.

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gwallan November 11, 2010 at 14:53

@julie…

We have previously discussed male anger and male spaces. That discussion involved a great amount of trust on my part. That trust has been destroyed by your performance here.

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TFH November 11, 2010 at 14:58

Julie,

I notice you avoided the very simple question I asked from yesterday : How old are you?

I am guessing, 36 to 41. As in, past your Wile E. Coyote moment.

Admit your age.
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Your efforts to get me to respond to the interest you are showing in me are failing. I am accustomed to women younger and more pleasant than you, so you will have to work much harder to gain attention from me.

I require much higher standards of behavior and femininity from women who are seeking to gain entry into my top tier of chicks.

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rob November 11, 2010 at 15:00

The reality is Julie, and the other female trolls that frequently derail discussions, are scared. Women are scared men will or have found out the truth about women. Women work hard to hide from men who they really are. Women work hard at creating an avatar that enables them to manipulate men. Men-only gatherings present the ultimate insecurity for women, that their mask of deception will be torn down and the unpleasant truth about women will be exposed to men. — NURBS

That’s a pretty good way of describing it. It’s like they know if all the prisoners start talking, they’ll figure it out that something is wrong, and they’ll escape.

In projection terms, it makes one wonder women have always been talking about at their Koffee Klatches, doesn’t it?

What’s the first thing that goes out of the house when your best buddy gets married?

You!

And the rest of his friends… especially the unmarried ones.

She’ll allow him some “approved” friends, alright – the husbands of her friends, and they are allowed to go to approved events together – like bowling night for two hours on Thursday night – maybe. In the winter. If it doesn’t interfere with his kitchen-bitching duties too much.

Mostly, I’ve found that even when in “just a relationship” my relationship with my friends deteriorates – sure because of “time spent together” – but even more, is how often when you do see your friends, the women are with the guys and so conversations become “approved for mixed company” and after a year or so, you start to realize how while you are still friends, you never really “talk” anymore. In fact, you can’t remember the last time you really “talked” with your friend – you know, the reason you actually became friends with the guy for….

You have no idea how many friends I have “lost”… lol, usually for about 4 or 5 years – until the rotating polyandry, er, divorce court, plunks him back into my life again.

Hmmmm. Same phenomenon as what is going on here, but in a different area of life?

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Epoche* November 11, 2010 at 15:36

@Lord Viktor
You’re right. There is a TREMENDOUS amount of hatred for women from a great deal of the commentators here.
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you know what Lord Viktor? Fuck off dude. Despite the current worldview proclaiming that everybody is equal and all methods of living are morally equivalent, they simply are not. What we are arguing for is for civilization, not for a date on saturday night, not for lowered alimony payments, the purpose of this site is arguing for the very idea of fatherhood and how existentially this idea is being threatened socially, culturally and economically.

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TFH November 11, 2010 at 15:43

The massive, massive error with what Viktor the Pedestalizer is peddling is….,

…The women who ARE reasonable (Hestia, LGR), ARE treated well on this thread.
…While those who are not (Julie, Laura, Skadi) are appropriately put in their place.

So Viktor is objecting to the treatment of the latter group, so Viktor actually thinks Laura, Julie, and Skadi are ‘agreeing with us’.

That is the theme of his message, and is totally wrong.

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zed November 11, 2010 at 15:45

The reality is Julie, and the other female trolls that frequently derail discussions, are scared.

The reality is that julie, and others of her ilk, lead such sad and pathetic little lives that the only way they can come up with to measure their own value is by how much they can diminish the experience of others.

Yes, they are scared. Wouldn’t you be scared if you knew deep down inside that you had absolutely nothing to offer the world and measured yourself only in terms of how much you could destroy?

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saige November 11, 2010 at 15:47

>Websites that only have men commenting on them end up not being very good since you just keep reinforcing each others opinions. It’s nice to have a mix.

Men forming a consensus of opinion(especially when related to women) without the direct input of women might end up not being very good for women.
Though Laura has been thoroughly thrashed on an internet forum where her words can be torn apart, in the public sphere, in the real world, her strategy would have been very effective at undermining male discussion in whatever scenario. Or steered it to a favourable ends for herself and her kind. The porn shaming would especially have cowed beta/omega males.
As would pretty much anything in her repertoire….

>Many of the men here are probably rightfully and unfortunately evolutionary discards.

Women are the gatekeeper to heterosexual intercourse. They determine which males reproduce, and which males don’t. This underpins the life and behaviour of every male, whether he is consciously aware of the fact or not.

If men don’t bend to female whim they are denied reproductive access.

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Lord Viktor November 11, 2010 at 15:47

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Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) November 11, 2010 at 15:48

rob November 11, 2010 at 12:50
Rob, reading your posts is a real pleasure. Thank you.

Julie……about 5,000 times?
A woman said something? Move along gentlemen, nothing to see here.
I have been recommending men ignore women for a long time now. I only talk to women to tell them that I find them to be liars and hypocrites and that I have more than enough evidence for this to satisfy me.

Like Fedz, I simply could not care less about western women. They are really, really horrible people. I want nothing to do with them. And I am prepared to say that in my own name in public. Sure. I need to work with them. And I am professional and polite in business. But I will not socialise with a western woman any more. I see no reason to.

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Migu November 11, 2010 at 15:53

I forgot what the topic was. So I’m going off of it.

Does anyone else see the organized effort here?

It works really well. There is no need for a figurehead. Each man makes his own and shifts unless we had Fathers. Then only 2nd figurehead shifts.

Some look to zed, some to rob, some to welmer, some to TFH, to the old school, Paul Elam and such. Each man learns or not from the other. At times they write eachother off, but they don’t forgot the times they lost to another man. That is why there is no need for an ultimate authority.

Men will when exposed to other men emulate the successful ones according to their own criteria. We saw our fathers get burned, and some of us never saw a father.

Julie and crew.

Do you really think we are going to let it happen to us?

Our fathers and sires, as far as we are concerned, failed in life. Guys like zed and rob have succeded. My Father and Welmer have recovered and become successes beyond their ex’s wildest dreams, and in my father’s case all his children love him and are delighted, and none like mom.(Schadenfreude) These men have not failed, or they have recovered from near death experience and thrived. These men are the men whom young men are emulating.

Unless you femtrolls are sock puppets for the admin, then you would be wise to understand that men are not following in their father’s, and sires footsteps in regards to early adulthood. By 30 if we’ve made it. You are all shit out of luck.

Young men follow successful men with success being defined by each and every one of them alone. No group, no leader, no head to cut off of a snake. Young men will give you what you want. Our absence.

Now back to the topic whatever it was.

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zed November 11, 2010 at 15:59

>Many of the men here are probably rightfully and unfortunately evolutionary discards.

Unfortunately for women, at least. Bequeathing to future generations a world populated by thugspawn is not likely to bring about the “kinder gentler” future a lot of deluded women envision.

It’s odd how some women think that being sneered at as “evolutionary discards” would actually bother a group of men who are self-sufficient, independent, and who have figured out the game and how to beat it. The dozen little thuglets sired by Phil, the meth cook, are going to be far less kind toward and tolerant of women than the “evolutionary discards” who were intelligent enough to decide not to let some woman breed little hostages to be used against them.

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greyghost November 11, 2010 at 16:03

“If men don’t bend to female whim they are denied reproductive access. ”

That was how it used to be and is something men need to drop from the conversation. Women in a mens culture of MGTOW do as men “whim” for simulated reproduction.(That male pill is real power mutha fucka.) That is the mindset of a man today.

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TFH November 11, 2010 at 16:19

Many of the men here are probably rightfully and unfortunately evolutionary discards.

Actually, I have about 20 children across over 15 mothers. This is on account of having been a sperm donor at Stanford Cryobank, which has a stringent qualification process. So much for that unoriginal shaming language, which is just projection on the part of a past-prime female.

Separately, men who work to become competent in Game very quickly get much better women than Julie, Skadi, etc. Even Laura is in favor of Game.

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post-modern devil November 11, 2010 at 16:22

Julie posted:

And if you are the losers, the betas, etc., then of course, you know that women have no real use for you, so we’d have no reason to be angry to see you stop interacting with women.

You do realize (Oh who the hell am I kidding) that the standard quality of life in America and the Western world would absolutely plummet for women and your children if the Government and Large corporations suddenly loss the revenue and labor from 60 percent (at minimum) of the male population (the top 20% being alphas and the bottom 20% being unproductive anyway)? Do you think women can be independent in a world with few beta men paying taxes and few corporations for Guvment to even tax with the shortage of beta labor?

Just imagine the vast majority of the public sector jobs that employs mostly women being dropped, the schools you send your children to closing their doors, a police force without the manpower needed to protect you from thugs and where pretty much any domestic crime aside from murder is not even being prosecuted in order to minimize costs, services like mail, trash pickup, energy, and infastructure dissapearing completely, and few people to fix your car when it breaks down?

Imagine a world where betas were essentially removed from the sex market (mass visectomy I’d guess) where a minority of alpha guys get to be an absolute commodity for about 7 times the amount of women and any of them could kill you for NO REASON WHATSOEVER and they’d essentially have legal impunity thanks to womens groups lobbying to get the charges against them dropped?

Imagine practically NO young men being willing to serve in the military and any men who were forcibly drafted commit suicide upon conscription. Tell me a nation of women and manipulative alphas would have ANY chance of holding off the Jihadists or Chinese should they decide to invade?

Face the absolute fact that you women subconsciously realize that if mass amounts of men (and 60% is way more than needed for society to collapse given the near 50-50 ratio between men and women) were to suddenly go their own way and not give two shits about women, you women Would. Be. F***ed. Why do you think Chinese mothers kill their baby girls so they can have a boy? Why do you think intimate relationships between men are stigmitize more than those between women in practically EVERY society? Why do you think a man running from the altar at wedding day or callously dumps his girlfriend/wife is an absolute scumbag compared to a woman who does the same thing?

The mass emmigration, vesectomies, and general disregard of for women among young German men today serves as an ominous warning for how the feminist movement is going to end and any women is absolutely insane to not see the mountain their gravy train is heading into.

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