German Family Minister Slams Feminism

Lucky you…

http://mangans.blogspot.com/2010/05/germanys-birth-rate-hits-historic-low.html

Germany is shrinking fast. New figures released on May 17 show the birth rate in Europe’s biggest economy has plummeted to a historic low, dropping to a level not seen since 1946. As demographers warn of the consequences of not making enough babies to replace and support an aging population, the latest figures have triggered a bout of national soul-searching and cast a harsh light on Chancellor Angela Merkel’s family policies.

According to a preliminary analysis by the Federal Statistics Office, 651,000 children were born in Germany in 2009, 30,000 fewer than in 2008, a dip of 3.6%. In 1990, German mothers were having on average 1.5 children each; today that average is down to 1.38 children per mother. With a shortfall of 190,000 between the number of people who died and the number of children who were born, Germany’s birth rate is well below the level required to keep the population stable.

From the linked article:
“There is also an extreme paucity of female executives at leading German companies.”

Ya… what do you think that’s tells you.

I also found it amusing that the article only quoted women.

Wait until the arrival of the male birth control pill… it will be the end of western civilization.

I’ll be on the porch drinking a cold beer and watching the spectacle with detached amusement. I’ll also be teaching myself Arabic and Chinese.

This is something not being broadly acknowledged in the USA. The hispanic (catholic) birthrate, is outpacing all other races. Our population continues to grow as a result of immigration, not births. The social security system is tapped out as more people retire, with less working younger people to fund it. The “baby boom” dropped off a cliff after the women’s libration movement, the pill and legalized abortion.

If you combine women “choosing” not to get married and have children, with men now avoiding women because of the legal trouble they can cause, you have a shrinking population base; that brings with it a shrinking economy…less workers, less viable consumers. Japan is in the middle of this right now.

Feminists are SO feared in the USA that everyone pretends it’s not that bad of a problem and that if it is a problem at all, no one will understand why. You’d NEVER see a government offical criticize ANYTHING feminist or female publicly in the USA. You either agree with them or if you don’t, you shut up.

I find it very amusing that so many of the men on here are wishing for the death of western civilization. Why don’t you just move to the Middle East or Africa if they are so much better than we are.

Because those places are shitholes. If you’re going to live in the end of days, you might as well do so in a fat, luxurious society with all of it’s pleasures.

So long as you know the score and know the things to avoid (marriage and long term committments of any kind) life in the west can actually be pretty good. Do you think I could coast through life playing X-BOX, getting drunk and banging bar skanks in some third world hell-hole?

Laura, productive men want to contribute to society and in many cases feel anguished when they don’t. But to make a man into a productive one you must reward him for his efforts, are corrupt divorce courts, affirmative action, anti-male social enviroments, worthlessly inflated currency, and used up loose women worth producing anything for? Is a society that sits upon such a foundation and expects men to “suck it up” to pick up the Herculian slack produced by the wastrel yet rewarded hordes worth it? The intelligent, productive and unrewarded men are answering by droping out and rewarding themselves in whatever ways are available, this is a shameful development but the shame does not lie with the men who drop out but on the society that refuses to reward them properly. To further burden them with your scorn won’t serve to do anything, you can’t make a man get up by droping ever more weight on him especially when they know they deserve better.

“Well I think some of the men on here are happy about that, because it means less responsibility for them. They can do what they want to do, when they want to do it.” -Laura

“You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.”

“He studied a lot in college, while I played.” -Laura

Ok…

@Angelo

I will criticize selfish natured comments (especially unwitting ones) when I see fit. If she wants to learn she can stay here but just because she throws us a bone doen’t mean ill just be too greatfull for that to say anything else.

fondueguy wrote on November 10, 2010 at 08:31 “ From the linked article: “There is also an extreme paucity of female executives at leading German companies.””

I just posted some extensive comments (with multiple references) about female executives over at Whiskey’s Place.

Summary: Apex Fallacy, women don’t want the jobs, accelerated Peter Principle, set up to fail by affirmative action, examples of failed women CEOs.

Laura wrote:
You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.

That charge only has weight if the contributors are rewarded for their efforts. Feminized western society has been biting the hand that fed it for about a half century now. So accusing someone like Zammo of having an attitude problem is a case of way too little, way too late.

If I lived on that commune one of those men would have gotten a bullet in his head.

You’re a legend in your own mind.

Laura, if you expect young men in general to actively endeavor in labor and commit with women in order to contribute to the well being of society, then society (and women especially) should damn well make sure that they value and reward the sacrifices those young men make on behalf of the greater collective.

Feminism instead severed the social contract between men and women. It freed women from the confines of the home (a noble and justified effort admittedly) but actively sought to force them in the workplace by lobbying for legislation that enacted gender quotas as well as indoctrinated generations of young girls and boys that men and boys suck for being male and stigmitized the natural submissiveness of women and children to men through the mass media.

Unfortunately for society, these efforts of the feminists all but emotionally detatched huge amounts of young men from Western culture and allowed them the room to break from the social expectations forced on young men in the feminists’ zeal to marginalize the male sex completely. Your sisters drove men to detatch themselves from women and Western society and moderate females (in respect to general female behavior) indirectly have to suffer for the reduced amount of male productivity and desireable partners for women in America.

I personally won’t criticize you for your attitude towards unmotived men because I have long accepted that women are biolgically disposed to ALWAYS demand men endeavor on behalf of women and children; I don’t honestly beleive there is women out there that can actually act to the contrary regardless of how self sufficient and independent she may be. But regardless, this article is proof that women are perspective enough to understand how their actions and those of their sisters can negatively impact men (at least in terms of their ability to contribute to the collective) and that you barking at us here for not being actively productive is a useless exercise in futility.

The family minister concluded “Ladies, y’all need to keep your yaps shut and be happy your man isn’t spending all his money at one of our numerous legal brothels.”

>>You don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It took self discipline of the general population to make western civilization what it was.

No, it was not the general population. It was the male population. Women do not build civilizations. History shows that women only tear down civilizations after men have built them.

The ship is sinking, we can either “man up” and go down with it, or start building life rafts.

I’m not to worried about my “personal” future, and I’m sure many other guys here are not.

Most of the lamentation you see here is that of men mourning the death of our civilization.

Writing from Mexico, y’all need to know this insane fear of older men with younger women is strictly Anglosphere.

No, I am not talking about pedophiles which involves adults WITH SEXUALLY IMMATURE CHILDREN.

I am talking about sexually mature females with older men.

Here I can see why in older times girls were married as young as 13 in the US. Here, as in those days in the US, unwed motherhood not only is castigated by society, and the unwed mother is guaranteed not to ever have a husband of quality. It also destroys the reputation of her entire family, and brothers may well never marry a quality woman.

I was sitting in my friend’s clinic while he tried to restart the heart of a girl who attempted (successfully in the end) suicide because she was abandoned by the man who got her pregnant. She died later in a big city hospital. She had swallowed a glass of malathion.

In societies like that, that is, normal, healthy societies who punish women who want children without a two parent family, families go to great pains to keep their daughters from getting pregnant.

Sane parents can tell when their daughters are mature enough to be at risk of sexual activity, and they tend to get them married quickly, and age is not relevant.

In some cases, yes, that means 13.

Oh, but their education will be interrupted!!!

Unwed 13 year old mothers do not ever get educated! They live on government checks, and raise little future convicts.

In my state, jail bait over 12 is a matter for the girl and her parents. If the man agrees to take her and care for her and the kids, they can get married with her parent’s permission and verification by a judge, and the cops can’t do a thing. Yes, at age 13.

When I first moved here, the little house up the hill had a 20 year old beautiful woman and her five daughters!!!

In the US, the unwed sluts live in ghettoes, and the kids are a lost cause. So, are the mommies. Yet, the US believes it is much more educated and understanding. So, if a man who has a job agrees to take a young, pregnant girl and care for her, and give her life some structure and meaning, ten years in prison.

But, it’s okay if she gets pregnant by a 15 year old boy who can’t buy chewing gum without asking his mommy for a dollar.

My daughter is her 40′s. But, if she were 13 and chose to be sexually active, I’d much rather she had a 40 year old man who could feed her and the kids, and give her a good life as a respectable woman, rather than a life of dire poverty and government checks in a ghetto with bullets flying at night.

Laura-
when men selflessly work their butts off to “support Western civilization” our resources are confiscated to aid Feminism and Globalism. Not to mention the ghastly things that happen to us if we marry.
Also, I am a successful professional in a competitive industry and I dedicate a fair amount of time and money to causes I support. I know other men on this site do too.
I work because I enjoy the sense of personal accomplishment, despite that my efforts are taken advantage of by a society that regards me as a disposable battery with testicles.

I found this part of her interview interesting:

SPIEGEL: One of your first acts in office was to set up a department for the victims of feminism.

Schröder: I’m sorry but there is no department with such a name in my ministry.

SPIEGEL: A department for boys. Who gave you this funny idea?

Schröder: What’s funny about it? I always thought we have badly neglected issues concerning boys and men. It’s a fact that it used to be Catholic working class girls from rural areas who had the biggest problems in school. Now it’s boys from low-education backgrounds.

Get it straight guys Anonymous is Skadi, not Laura.

Don’t feed the trolls, try action, push the red button.

And no, fetching beers is not ‘contributing’.

Nor is lecturing men on what they do and don’t deserve.

Seriously – can someone answer me this question. What is it that women do?

This is the reason the West is dying, not women or even immigrants. The men are the backbone of any society and the men have degenerated.

C’mon skadi, what holds you women back to build your own civilisation? You’re strong, independant, and all that shit.

I don’t want to live in a society where men have sexual access to anyone and everyone they want to.

That’s why you’re a feminist and we’re MRAs. Are we clear?

Just who do you think you are to decide who men ‘have sexual access’ to?

Why do you think you should be consulted at all? Why do you think we require your approval? Who the hell are you? What is it that you do?

I believe the Germans have a word for what I’m feeling: schadenfreude.

I’m glad those Kraut bitches can’t find an ATM machine, I mean husband.

If women want me (and my brothers) to build and maintain civilisation, give me motivation first, because at the moment i have none.

Would you want to live in a society where there were no restraints on human sexuality?

As opposed to the current one where there are merely no restraints on female sexuality?

Just admit it, Laura: you are entirely motivated by the fear of your own sexual obsolesence. Like most feminists. You think men should want to fuck YOU rather than young nubiles. You’ll do everything you can to keep men away from the objects of their desire in the hopes that they will love YOU instead. It’s pathetic and disgusting, and I think you need to grow up.

While obviously true, I actually can’t blame women that much for their behaviour on this issue. Think about it, thier looming and inevitable sexual obsolesence is a horror I don’t think we men can really understand or appretiate. Imagine if you knew the only value you had or ever will have was rapidly fading and you missed your chance to get anything lasting out of it.

Of course, the ability for women to avoid this fate has always been there. It was called marriage, marry when you are still young and nubile and the emotional bonds you forge with your husband will endure once your looks fade. Where I have no sympathy is how modern women want to spend (in the literal sense) their youth and beauty fucking around, marry just before their value plunges off a cliff and expect to still get the same quality man and the same quality of relationship.

Sorry ladies, no sale.

I love how Western Society is absolutely crumbling right before our very eyes. Birth rates for white children have fallen off a cliff, in which case they must import immigrant labor to keep social security alive, and basically keep the hamster wheel of Capitalism spinning. The dollar is on it’s way to being an over-inflated, worthless piece of paper. The manufacturing base of America has been completely gutted. Walmart is the #1 employer in America, and the irony of it is that everything sitting on the shelves was made in China. Americans don’t make jack shit. America is the world’s store for trinkets and knick-knacks.

This is what our “elected” government officials have done to us. Ralph Nader aptly called it the “Road to Corporate Serfdom.”
http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/2218-Road-to-Corporate-Serfdom.html

Our government and our women have BETRAYED us. The most we can do is opt-out, produce as little as possible, buy nothing (it just the Capitalist Pigs richer), and watch the whole shithouse go up in flames. Payback time, bitches.

As men, our victory over “the fairer sex” will probably be a Pyrrhic one, but it will be worth every penny. The women will discover what it’s like to be an inanimate, invisible, disposable, expendable, resource for the elites… in other words, they’ll know what it’s like to be a man. And all because they wanted to be like men and feel liberated. Unfortunately, now they’re just exploitable garbage like the rest of us men.

Zammo wrote:

Wait until the arrival of the male birth control pill… it will be the end of western civilization.

I’ll be on the porch drinking a cold beer and watching the spectacle with detached amusement. I’ll also be teaching myself Arabic and Chinese.

Damn F##king Right.

I have zero allegiance to a system which shit’s all over me, doesn’t give a shit about providing real jobs, outsources jobs to other countries, and then tells me to man up. Meanwhile, they’re sitting high on the hog, working for the government and without a fucking clue.

It’s just really amazing how Laura who is clearly not a feminist / gender equalist and who is in fact rather submissive and often self critical, is still being bashed and cussed out.

Why is it amazing that spewing stupid, illogical crap will get you cussed out? Laura is spewing stupid, illogical crap, and people are calling her on it. Go figure.

Laura is just a reminder to us that even “normal” women who aren’t fire-breathing feminists are incapable of understanding the issues. Their rationalization hamsters just run too fast.

“Every time my mom and my sister start talking to me about how men are this and men are that and what pigs we men are, I have absolutely no choice but to sit in silence and take it. … there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I can do.”

Why not tell them that what they are saying is not true and that their behavior is not acceptable, and then leave?

I want to see that moment of crushing realisation in their eyes, and I want them to know that nobody’s going to help them now.

you’re a little bit cruel, arenot ya [ evil smiley]

They do say that schaudenfreude is the opposite of sour grapes.

In my mind, it’s exactly what those women who complain about ‘no good men’ deserve.

Men are voting with their feet. They no longer support Western Civilization. This is the only effective act the current culture allows men to take. Period.

There are two reasons men are doing this. One is that Western Civilization is actively hostile to men, to the point of complete subjugation. This is an obvious (and obviously true) reason.

The other reason is that Western Civilization is actively suicidal. There’s no culture left to support, and no institution interested in restoring the traditions that were so successful for so long.

There’s also the point that simply restoring the old culture ignores the fact that those traditions, while successful for millenia, failed to keep us out of the current disaster.

I think men would gladly get behind any institution that tried to lead in the battle for Western Civilization. But there aren’t any. There’s no point of leverage to start from.

There aren’t even any neutral institutions. Every last one of them is riddled with post-modernist poison.

Anonymous November 10, 2010 at 12:23 wrote, “ Absolutely not. There are few women in the office, no female presidents, very few prime ministers, and very few CEOs. Even the female Hollywood actors are paid much less than male. Male athletes are treated like demigods and, as great as they are, they are somewhat overpaid. So no, women do not rule the world. And honestly… it would not be fair if they would now come into power, because it was mostly men who screwed it up. They should clean it up themselves.”

You’re not reading the comments. I addressed this in a previous comment.

Bringing up arguments that have already been answered is no way to earn respect.

There are few women in the office, no female presidents, very few prime ministers, and very few CEOs.

There are also very few women in prison, in the coal mine, between the homelesses. What does it tell to you? For me, it tells women are rare on top and on the bottom of the society, beacause of taking less risk in life, and because they are more average in everything.

@Laura- You are attempting to shame men into “working hard” for (a sick, dying, cares nothing for living) Western civilization and claiming they have no right to complain without contributing what it is you feel they ought to all while mentioning how you played your way for college as you did not wish to work hard. This double standard is what makes you appear to be illogical. If you could play and goof around per your own admission, why then take issue with others for doing the same thing?

And you said that’s all you wanted… beer and porn.. then you should be content, yet you are still here, angry and unsatisfied.. the men of the past were much more peaceful and satisfied, even though they didn’t have access to porn and multiple women and all the luxuries of today’s world. And had to commit to one woman early on. Yet they were peaceful and normal.

Woman, you are in absolutely no position to say whether or not he feels angry and unsatisfied. You do not know him personally, and thats not getting into how hard it is to express emotions on an online forum by way of subtext.

Anyway, from what I gather, a lot of guys come here for intellectual and impartial discourse with other link-minded individuals as most discussions on other forums are ruled through appeals to emotion, ad hominems, and excessive amounts of sensationalism.

And you said that’s all you wanted… beer and porn..

No it is not all, and not even what i wanted, but under these circumstances, this is the best i can get.

I can’t believe how much this argument has stayed the same.

When I first stumbled into the MRM. the entire place was full of girls chattering away like this. Many of them considering themselves to be “freedom fighters” – but only if you guys support this and this and that – namely, so long as woman still rules the roost.

It becomes quite clear to me what Aristotle was trying to point out with The Spartan Women where he discusses after making women equal to the men, the amount of mischief they caused was worse than the enemy:

in those states in which the condition of the women is bad, half the city may be regarded as having no laws. And this is what has actually happened at Sparta; the legislator wanted to make the whole state hardy and temperate, and he has carried out his intention in the case of the men, but he has neglected the women, who live in every sort of intemperance and luxury.

….

…the influence of the Lacedaemonian women has been most mischievous. The evil showed itself in the Theban invasion, when, unlike the women of other cities, they were utterly useless and caused more confusion than the enemy.

————-

Every time that I have seen women hang around men’s sites, the same clucking arguments start, and as it goes on you will see the same theme come out from women:

They are not here to help… they are here to make sure the slaves don’t run away.

It won’t matter to women if the enemy is breaking down the gates and we only have 10 minutes to save ourselves, the will run to you with monkey wrenches and stick them into the spokes of your chariot – just to shit test you one more time.

I knew a fella a couple years ago who spoke one single line what explained this phenomenon better than any other I’ve seen:

Women would rather have 100% of nothing, than 50% of something.

The manufacturing base of America has been completely gutted. Walmart is the #1 employer in America, and the irony of it is that everything sitting on the shelves was made in China. Americans don’t make jack shit. America is the world’s store for trinkets and knick-knacks.

And even more peculiar is the sight of 40 of America’s billionaires lining up with Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and pledging to give away enormous sums of money in the name of eradication of poverty and misery in the third world. These are the very same people who presided over the gutting of the American economy, accumulated its wealth into their bank accounts, bankrolled the political agenda and now believe the best use of this wealth is to promote the interests of people living abroad.

I’m sure I read somewhere about charity beginning at home, but the full wisdom of it hasn’t been as clear as now.

Hestia +10.

Actually, Laura is on record saying that she does not ‘approve’ of ‘men like TFH’ self-financing an egg donor + surrogate and going it alone as a single dad, thus not providing a woman with the 80-90% of a man’s lifetime output that women feel entitled to.

‘men like TFH’….

As in a brown person?
Or as in a wealthy man who runs Game, with a specific specialization in ‘spend as close to zero as possible before sex’ Game, and thus no woman has access to his funds?
Or some combination thereof?

One thing that women like this show is the differences in male and female behaviour in regard to how society works.

Ever since the beginning of the SNAG (Sensitive New Age Guy) Days, men have been tripping over themselves to recreate themselves in the image (said they) wished to be. I cannot deny there was a time when I did the same things.

But after a while you realize what women want from men is really a fashion – the man in touch with emotions… the man who’s not afraid to cry in front of me… blah, blah, blah… every step along the way, men have bent over backwards to say, “OK, we’ll recreate ourselves in the way you would like” only to have it that upon such a transformation, they found those same men to be repellent.

Now apparently, they want “Reeeeeeal Men” back… whatever the hell that means as the hamster rides her wheel around the cage of doom that is her brain.

Notice how if men try to inform women what they would like to see, women don’t trip over themselves like SNAG’s?

Nope, they argue with the SNAG and tell him he is a bad customer.

Imagine you went in to Fembot Motors to buy a good, quality, used 1978 Chevette.

The Mistress of the Lot strolls up to you and you ask, “How much?”

When you balk at the prices of $19,500, or 60 months @ $400/mo, she replies like this:

“You’re not a reeeeeeal customer. You’re just a bitter 1981 Ford Escort lover.”

“A reeeeeeeaaaaal customer wouldn’t let his experience of driving a 2004 Mercedes affect what he thought of the value of this 1978 Chevette.”

It is completely foreign to the female mind, it appears, to think of their own involvement in the problem.

Wheras SNAG’s bent over backwards, making hopping jackasses out of themselves in order to recreate themselves as women wished them to be, it is on the otherhand, almost inconceivable to woman that she should have to lower herself to changing her behaviour for someone else.

“What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is ours,” speaks woman, in the same tone as totalitarian tyrants ’round the world.

Anonymous blathered:
Indeed for selfish reasons – the same reasons that one fights for their home and family.

If our society comes to a point where the likes of you is fighting for home and family, you’re f*cked without men.

And men are not second class citizens – men are still in the center of the society, men still rule it to a large extent and men hold most money.

Correction. The only men you notice are those alpha males. Sorry, but they
aren’t anywhere near enough of them to support a modern first-world society.

Absolutely not. There are few women in the office, no female presidents, very few prime ministers, and very few CEOs.

The abominable performance of women like Carly Fiorina makes me glad that it’s true. Margaret Thatcher was ok, but I consider her very anomalous.

Even the female Hollywood actors are paid much less than male.

It’s my understanding that top male actors like Mel Gibson are paid according to their ability to open a movie. Top actresses simply don’t have that kind of pull. Frankly, I don’t care – it affects a vanishingly small segment of highly overpaid people.

Male athletes are treated like demigods and, as great as they are, they are somewhat overpaid.

See above. They’re a tiny but overly visible segment of humanity. Top male athletes get paid more than female athletes because everyone prefers to watch strong, fast people compete rather than weak, slow people. It may be unfair, but whining about it makes about as much sense as slamming Hooters for discrimination because they hire men to wait tables.

> So no, women do not rule the world.

Maybe you can explain for my benefit then why women in Western societies:
(1) Live 7 years longer than men on average.
(2) Make up only about 7% of workplace fatalities.
(3) Can screw men in family court.
(4) Even though men do most of the paying into our retirement and welfare systems, it’s mostly women who benefit from it.

That’s just off the top of my head.

And honestly… it would not be fair if they
would now come into power, because it was mostly men who screwed it up.

I must say that you sound just like a woman. Somehow, it’s always a man’s fault. I take that as an implicit admission that you know women are helpless to fix real-world problems – they depend on men to do that.

> They should clean it up themselves.

This young man is on the right track with his campaign to end women’s suffrage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUP9Jm9SqvY

Fifth Horseman has stated that institutionalized misandry will end or be rendered impotent when its costs are transferred directly back to women. I can get behind that – I enthusiastically support the right of those who hate men and/or consider them to be disposable ATMs to grow old, alone and unloved.

Zammo, of course, I’m not making a sandwich for you – you are nothing to me, not my father, my husband or my sponsor. Or a guy who is nice to me. So no sandwich for you.

You can look forward to a reciprocal policy of male disengagement, coming real soon now (if it hasn’t already arrived).

A good book on the topic of preserving the Western civilization.. Pope’s latest letter, Caritas in veritate..

The Pope can’t even get people to make babies in his own hometown, let alone prescribe how to save Western civilization. Italy’s emptying out faster than almost any other country in Western Europe, although they’re all below replacement. You’ll have to do better than that.

You grrlz should listen to Hestia. Believe it or not, she’s actually trying to help you, although it might be too late.

Feminism does not become you.

Also: Rob is correct.

We need rigorously-enforced male-only spaces. Do you think they let women run their mouths in the Agora? Civilisation would have never happened.

Saves men from what- human interaction?

I wouldn’t go so far as to call feminist women ‘human’.

“There are also very few women in prison, in the coal mine, between the homelesses. What does it tell to you? For me, it tells women are rare on top and on the bottom of the society, beacause of taking less risk in life, and because they are more average in everything.”

They’ve always been latching on the the better men. (Funny how they also talk about humanity and duty and what not while completely leaving the “lesser men” in the dust). Them demanding the top positions (and ignoring men at the bottom) is just an extension of this entitlement mentality IMO. Of course the problem is that they don’t want to put in the same work and risks men do to hold top positions.

Men use pornography as a substitute for real women.

Why should men do such things, if the real ones were so damn good for them?

Viktor, I’ve actually had some success in discussing men’s issues/family law with my mother in the last 2-3 years. Always 1 on 1 though. It is crazy when you get 2+ together harping on.

One point I think hit home awhile back was pointing out to mum that all her horror stories about the young women where she works (many are single moms) were not selling me on getting married and having a family.

It was amusing to watch her face as she retold the story of one single mom co-worker asking about me (after mom bragged about me or something) and asking my mother “well dont you want to be a grandmother?” in that she could be a (step) grandma to her bastard kid if I married/hooked up with her right away. That or the time she recounted another recently divorced casual friend with twins (was married to a cop) that had asked about me a few times wanting my number since we lived in the same town. Mom decided to avoid the woman’s calls/not return them heh. The gal was not “stable”.

Anyway, I’m certainly not interested in defending western civ culture while being treated as a second class citizen. I heard a story once of a army vet bragging about how men should man up and fight for custody. He’d done it and won his kids, others could too! After seven long years he’d won, 1/3rd of their childhood spent fighting the courts. He’d clearly not learned about the concept of a pyhrric victory but then I suspect after having served in the military he had to console himself with the idea everything he’d fought for wasn’t a joke.

Laura,

Men will give up porn, when women split the cost of dates 50/50, and when there are an equal number of women paying alimony as men. Note the word EQUAL.

Deal?

Laura wrote:
Men use pornography as a substitute for real women. Even men that don’t have access to a woman will not put as much effort into meeting one if they are inundated with porn.
Please read:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

If true, that’s a welcome sign. I believe men’s welfare and quality of life will vastly improve when they become sexually independent from women. I look forward to the next 10-30 years when full-immersion interactive porn and/or sexbots will become widely available and inexpensive.

Roissy recently posted a link to an article about some hippie commune, polyamorous society where people didn’t have to be constrained by the values of society. Basically it ended up there were a few fat, lazy, aging hippie type guys having sex with very young teenage girls. It disgusted me.

And your problem with that is? If they weren’t raping these teenage girls then I don’t see the problem here. What is your preference: that it be a few aging women monopolizing barely legal sexually active males while everyone else gets jack shit and/or overweight big beached whales?

I’m not a fan of polyandry, but if you’re going to do it, it works out best in male dominated societies, because at least there everyone is clear on what the rules are, and the women in the system are “kept in line” so to speak, and made to abide by the rules of the living arrangement that they are in.

For reference:

xhttp://www.sadiesopenmarriage.com/

I lurked on a female polyandrist’s site (above) for a time, pitching softball questions to her after various escapades (such as “how would you feel if your husband had done what you had just did, do you really think that women would be OK with it if we judged ALL women by their sexuality, especially since maybe only 5% of women are really sexy, exactly how are men to blame for x y and z?”) I lurked because quite honestly, I wanted to know if, given a framework where ground rules were laid, and everyone knew what the other person was doing and who they were doing it with (an “open” marriage, don’t laugh or snicker just yet), such a thing could actually work. Kinda in the same way one watches the Red Bull flying machine competitions where people build contraptions that no chance of flying: you know they won’t fly but you just wanna see how bad some of these guys can screw it up.

I wound up leaving in disgust after reading one posting where the woman went into lurid detail about how she had mind blowing sex, all while knowing that her husband was at home sick, and her daughter had a high fever and was seriously ill, and didn’t bother to drive home because she “wanted to take care of herself for once.” (later on when even leftist posters started assailing her for this act of selfishness, it was “I was too hopped up on medication.”) Between that and when I first started reading, were pages upon pages of hypocrisy, self-adulation, and vanity that undercut any attempt at having a real, honest, “open” relationship.

What I learned, from reading this blog, was that women have no problems with such things as polyandry, teen marriages, nudist communes, whatever you got, so long as it benefits them and no one else.There was one long string of posts on this blog, where the woman got pissed at (and eventually broke up with over this) a sex partner because he had the audacity to say, offhand, that he had lots of female admirers, and that he wouldn’t be tied down to her needs. However, not only is that the whole point of her blog, but she has said the exact same thing to men regarding men.

Wait a minute: if polyandry is about fucking whoever is conveient for you, where’s the problem in saying that it’s conveinent for you to fuck a lot of women? Well in a logically run polyamorous society, there wouldn’t be one. Men in a polyamorous society would understand that, the tradeoff of being able to fuck many women is that there is a high likelyhood that your woman is fucked by many men. In all seriousness here, I am not advocating this or anything, but in the context of the situation the choice does present something of a bottom line that you can or can’t consent to, a point from which to say “go” or “no go.” Women in this situation are OK with the idea of catting around, yet become horrified when they find that men suddenly have their pick of women, or at least more than one woman to pick from. Whereas a man might “get with the program,” to a woman there’s a horrible imbalance, not because of any actual injustice being perpertrated, but because “she” finds it disgusting.

As Laura so aptly demonstrated, “she” finds the idea of a few fat old men having sex with young women wrong, so it’s wrong. Wait a minute, what do the young women have to say about this? What do their other partners have to say about this? If everyone is fine with it, and they aren’t infringing on me, I say leave them to it. That a fat, older man is having sex with many younger women is not in and of itself a travesty. It may be to a jealous woman outside the scene, but objectively, it’s not. The truth here is that, as with so many other things, a woman defines what is right and wrong by what she “feels,” and not by logical observation of her surroundings, or by what other people have agreed to. If the story was about Courtney Cox and her dried up friends hitting freshly minted 15 yr old cock, she’d be yelling “you go grrl…” But it’s old men not having to beg for it, so it’s yucky.

TLDR: Women don’t have an objective measure of bad behavior, they only view behavior as bad if it offends them personally. This is why it doesn’t pay to listen to what a woman thinks about “morals” or anything else that requires contractual agreement in society.

Because it is easier to sit at a computer and masturbate to some picture of a woman you will never meet than to go out on a date with a real woman.

It’s also more rewarding.

Easier + more rewarding = obsolescence of old females like Laura.

TFH,
It’s always money with you.

No, it’s ALWAYS money for the chicks.

Snark,

No, it’s ALWAYS money for the chicks.

Yep. Look at the female solipism of Laura. Almost all women are moochers, and the only exceptions are those who a) split the cost of dates, and b) don’t force the husband to work too much in order to buy needless garbage.

She truly believes that a man should spend 80-90% of his maximum output capacity working in return for having sex with a woman (who herself is aging rapidly), and when Game comes along, which enables a man to have sex with multiple women, and instead of 80-90% of his wealth, for just 0.001%, she doesn’t like it.

The worst is yet to come for Laura.

zed :

If Laura is an example of the “pleasures” of a woman’s company, “porn” is the least of women’s worries.

pwned!!

The disgusting Swedish video has been reposted and can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqUFXbV6Lg

Archive it with Keepvid or whatever before it gets pulled again.

Holy fuck. I am a Black Man, and I Disapprove of this message (hte linked video, not the quoted poster). In fact, I disapprove of any man of any race fucking ugly ass fat skanks of any race like in that video.

Face it: you ladies will follow us to the ends of the earth and beyond.

Because their survival depends on men. There is no such thing as an independent woman, and never will be. Skadi is huge proof of this.

Trying to get the government to be the intermediary between male resources and female dependency on them is the most they have ever attempted.

@sestamibi-Without scrolling through previous posts and knowing if asked above, but I can’t help but wonder how many kids Kristina Schroder has?
She and her husband do not have any children.

BTW check out the contrast between the two women pictured. Damn

Who was the guy this morning who had to let her know that some guys here are still interested in hearing her opinion… and encouraged her to “keep it up”?

It’s not just Joe Biden that needs a kick in the ass.

Every time a person posts encouragement like that, it ought to get recorded, and he should be dragged out in front of us to explain himself on the next thread like this, alongside his girlfriend, American Woman.

If people around here want to keep pointing out that “the real enemy is men” then the first step is to boot the men in the ass ’round here who behave like “little Biden’s” and insist that dizzy broads like this have something valuable to contribute.

I’d rather spend my time discussing things gently with a confused teenage boy struggling to find his way in the world – because I’d have patience for him – than have these idiotic so-con women continually show up to oversee that the slaves know their place. The worst are the so-cons, because they suckhole up to you for months sometimes before their true colours come out.

@Jeanna: “I think they would get more women commenting on here if they would be a little nicer to us.”

Just let me know if you need help connecting those dots.

“the men of the past were much more peaceful and satisfied”

That’s because the men of the past got to marry the women of the past.

Advice to women :

Be more like Hestia.

If you don’t know why Hestia is considered a rare, good woman, then you also won’t figure out why men with options (i.e. GAME) are not interested in discards like you.

Laura just agreed that she would behave exactly as OJ Simpson did, if put in the identical situation.

Julie is probably worse.

……and they think we *want* them here??

Yes, this is an example of Game, negs, takeaways, and DHV in particular. It is really amazing how men are the only humans who ever really left the animal kingdom.

@ Julie….I don’t know of another messageboard on the internet that operates like this one.

I’ve tried to post on feminist site’s but they don’t allow posting’s unless you tow the party line.

Julie :

I don’t know of another messageboard on the internet that operates like this one.

And that is just about the best praise that could possibly be given. Congrats to Welmer for the success of The Spearhead.

Websites that only have men commenting on them end up not being very good since you just keep reinforcing each others opinions. It’s nice to have a mix. — Femcunt

Do you see what kind of totalitarian cunts women like this are?

The men that are here gain respect amongst eachother by contributing something worthwhile.

This stunned femcunt shows up, gets everyone pissed off, and hamster-wheels here stunned femcunt brain into believing she’s doing us a favour – even after it’s been made clear that they are unwelcome.

The Best Invention Ever

And the next asshole who shows up on this thread and defends the value of having these femcunts here, ought to get one serious rugby style dogpile, knees to the ribs and all.

Once the camel gets its neck in the tent, you can’t get it out without having all your stuff strewn across the desert.

Laura, your opinion matter’s but it isn’t always right by default. I’m quite fair if you are.

We are over 50% of the population so our opinion does matter.

Laura, I already demonstrated to you why women having the right to vote is disastrous. By your own admission, you are exactly the same level of morality as OJ Simpson.

No, your opinion does not matter. You just do what the social winds tell you. A man with Game can make you do whatever he wants, if he even decided to bother.

Quit feeding the trolls. Just ignore them!!!!
Do not respond as difficult as that may be.
You cannot get through to them so why try.

I might be the one you are talking about. I said let them speak their minds. — Rebel

It wasn’t you.

I was being polite and not saying his name.

Fairness is one of the most important things. My grandfather always used to say, “You don’t have to like me, but don’t say I’m not fair.”

MY grandpa used to say, “I don’t care if she’s your woman, shut that stunned femcunt up because she’s goddamn annoying!”

@Malestrom
Imagine if you knew the only value you had or ever will have was rapidly fading and you missed your chance to get anything lasting out of it.

Women outlive men by a number of years. Women spend roughly the second half of their lives infertile. In other words, women have evolved to become grandmothers. There was REAL power in this role, and they have thrown it away for the temporary power that comes from unbridled sex while at the peak of physical attraction.

I think this is the reason that women get the “baby rabies” around age 30. It’s not the lack of their own child that hits them, but rather the realization that their careers as grandmothers will be cut far too short: if their daughters also have children at 30, then they will never get to be the honored matriarchal presence at their oldest grandchild’s wedding, unless they live REALLLLY long, and their great-grandchildren will never know them. This has got to be, despite all the feminist propaganda, an immense loss for women.

I haven’t read all the posts here, but my comment is directed at Laura.

Yes you have stated a few well meaning comments in the past, but you are missing the big picture my miles in this thread whether you want to see it or not. This is the biggest pet peeve I have in regards to the MRM, that women don’t want to listen and you are doing this now, hardcore.

Yes, you wouldn’t want to live in a commune such as the one you described, but you’ve been on the spearhead, you know what sort of crap men are living in right now, do you think they want to live in a situation such as this? There are over 1 million men raising a child that isn’t there own, and you wouldn’t want to live in a place where 40 year old bartenders are seeing 20 year old women?

Then the message of the MRM of not p!ssing off men should be spread far and wide, NOT telling them to man up and contribute to the society which they have ALREADY been contributing to for generations.

Let me fill you in on something, it isn’t as if men aren’t getting any benefit for getting married, having children and settling down. Nope, far from it…men are getting ATTACKED for doing these things. There is a difference, and you need to learn it. You may say that you do, however, if you did, you wouldn’t have made such asinine statements about men needing to contribute to society.

You aren’t asking men to give money to a friend for nothing in return, you are asking men to give money to a friend whom they know could rip them off and steal everything they own. They fact that you are even suggesting this is somewhat discouraging and makes some wonder why you are even here. Why, pray tell WHY would a man get married, have a family, and contribute to a society, which castrates and rapes him?? This is the whole reason why the Spearhead is here, and if after all the time that you have been here that you are still asking this same question, maybe you should reconsider why it is that you are here.

The core of your ‘belief’ at this juncture is the core of the issues behind America’s issues. People, simply won’t do anything if by doing so it’s going to affect them negatively, you want a safer society, LISTEN when men tell you there is a problem. Don’t tell me that you have been, your posts on this thread show that you haven’t!!

Does anybody know if there was a cultural change in the way men in germany went MGTOW. I have read that Vasectomy was big there in germany. Or was it a default way the german men just naturally turned to.
The numbers are really awesome. Man I would dog them bitches into the ground. We dub and subtitle christmas and family movies and tv shows in german and send that shit over. Right now I can tell you my mother in law is alive because of her grand kids.

Once again, I state that most women have virtually no grasp of cause and effect. No more than a 10 year old boy at best.

That we applaud a German Government Official for making a simple observation about cause and effect that would be visible to even a teenage boy proves this.

It has become interesting, over the years, to observe women at the workplace. Years before these sites were up, I was challenging and standing up to the whole gamut of PC groupthink.

I recognized early on (with help from prior experience with ‘empowered’ women) that they put themselves on a pedestal. To this meek, struggling beta, she casts her gaze with contempt. What was I asking from her was but simple courtesy and interest. But groupthink prevailed, and once one calls out some Oprah BS or something, you meet face to face with the enemy called feminism and PC.

After several years, where one applies oneself to the job, the workplace changes. Instead of seeing co-workers in terms of their political leaning, one realizes that they were just living in denial. Enduring my job requires sustained physical energy and attentiveness, and when the PC trappings are cleared away, performance is what makes us. And although I am not able to verify performance based on gender, one can only look around at the absenteeism and reduced duties.

Feminists who treat men like second-class citizens, who dismiss us and expect us to be interested in their mundane and trivial lives are not feminists at all. I haven’t met a feminist in the sense that they would be able to clearly set out their philosophy/worldview in a manner consistent with logic and linear thinking. Not a one.

My point related to the article that feminist policies are failures:

PERFORMANCE, not attitude, is the better guide.

I’m probably the only person that read Laura’s link to Naomi Wolf, and I enjoyed the irony that the article ultimately ends up painting the highly patriarchal culture of orthodox Jews living in Israel as much more desirable – even for women – than ours. Nothing new, though.

greyghost wrote:
It’s not anger Laura it is indifference. The men here are not here to impress women. We don’t kiss women’s tails here. You see it as anger I see it as “fuck that bitch” or as i should say on another mans blog “screw that chick” How women feel doesn’t matter here.

It’s obvious that she simply cannot process that bit of information. I can’t think of a more clear-cut example of the solipsism of the female mind. She thinks the men here are “angry” when they don’t even care whether she goes away mad, or just plain goes away.

I personally find it more disconcerting that Germany has a family minister than anything that could come out of her mouth. It will be a cold day in hell before I ask for advice on how to live from a government official. The demos really does look at the state as some sort of caring parent.

Julie,

Anger? No.

An accurate understanding of the true nature of women, and how to navigate it? Yes.

Your seething bitterness is showing, as per your desperate shaming language. Plus, you still aren’t working towards gaining an understanding of how women think.

You oppose Game only because it enables men you consider beneath you, to now aim at levels much higher than you.

If you were successful with women, you wouldn’t harbor anger towards them, and certainly not the feelings of powerlessness you all wear on your sleeves.

Thanx Laura, WOMEN like you are the bomb and we have no issues repsecting the few of you which exist.

As for Julie, here is the deal. Womyn love the idea of power, and places like this undermine that perception. Sure some of the men here have been burned by women, but there are some who haven’t who learned otherwise.

The truth is that a man can survive without a woman, he can meet his biological imperative without commiting to her.

The opposite of a woman meeting hers without a man simply….isn’t…possible.

Feminists don’t want men to realize this, if men in the aggregate do, bye bye feminism, however, men are now going their own way, which will leave women in the lurch. So womyn such as Julie, will shame and try to use the dwindling leverage they have left to posture and possibly create doubt in us ‘noobs’

Time’s running out, guys aren’t taking the bait anymore Julie, have your fun now, I promise you it will end.

Julie, how old are you?

I know you have passed your Wile E. Coyote moment, but I am guessing it was less than 5 years ago, putting your age in the 36-41 range. That is above the age limit of women I am interested in dating.

Therefore, you’ll have to do MUCH better than that to have a chance with me. If you’re lucky, I’ll let you take me to a concert.

I know Rob will wait for me. xoxoxo — Julie

The bigger the femcunt, the more she loves Asshole Game.

Before post #309, Julie will beg me for an anal pounding:

$1

And Julie is such an obvious shithead, you know she does ass to mouth too.

Zed wrote:
Doesn’t this confirm all of Roissy’s posts about “Asshole Game” that we get a steady stream of women coming in here desperately trying to convince us how much we want them.

By God, does it. If I ever had any reservations about the efficacy of negging, I sure don’t now.

There is one small consolation in these women commenting here, and that is it reminds me of when I used to be in relationships. A small dose of feminine mystique like this every week or so acts like a vaccine – whenever some woman puts out her little ‘I might be interested’ signal in real life, it’s so much easier to stare right past her.

The only benefit of western society now is to get as much young pussy as you can if that’s your thing and then kick them to the curb. I certainly wouldn’t settle for some has been skank nor would I indulge her crusty stink hole and ever fattening ass by working long hours to ensure she could fuck around during the day. And even worse, actually fuck God knows whom whenever she felt like it without repercussions because of the insane and perverse laws that enable women to run amok without consequences.

Go fuck yourself, Viktor.

Your kind has been fucking men over for decades.

Goddamn Pathetic, little lord fucktards like you.

Almost 30 years ago I had to fly out to Germany to represent the family as my Grandfather was on his death bed. He was always calling for me for some reason which I will never know as I didn’t make it out there in time. When he used to visit us in NA he used to give me 2 of everything leaving my sister out. He saw something going on that took me years to see myself while growing up when it came to my mother and sister.

So as the years go by, every few months to this day I think about packing up and living in Germany. When I was there at the age of 18,”alles klappt” It just all clicked right. Now I read this article and what Alonso Quijano had written and I thank you Alonso and the Spearhead. It was the spark I needed to dig in and start some research on all of this. There is no money in the world, no amount of smoked garlic westfalia sausage or German beer that will ever get me to go there if the conditions are that bad with females.

“where did those smart German men go. That is what we need to be learning next.” – SingleDad

…I know that an absolute ton of them are seeking wives from the Philippines. I get a lot of detailed stories from people my wife knows from there and so many are from Germany. Many have purchased homes there and go back and forth and will retire there. You can get a modest home with all utilities needed for about 18k u.s. I don’t know what the hell I’m even doing in NA I sometimes think, since I’ve been making my living off the Internet the past 15 years and can go anyplace. Besides some of the great smaller cities, to make a long story short if you wish to live like a king go to Cebu. A 4-6+ room huge home will run about 2 to 6 million pesos (50k to 150k). They have changed the rules not long ago about foreigners owning property and gets tricky but is workable. I think the reason I’ve been staying in NA is because I’m very much off the grid and have been lucky nothing has slammed down on me yet. I was born here and still love it here, the infrastructure, the seasons, the lower crime rate, etc. We are still weighing out the good and bad between the 2 places.

Ha! It’s funny just recalling something…about 4 months after my mother left my father which was 2 months before he died, we were riding in his car and he said “I knew I should have married that Russian girl!”

Viktor,

You are an idiot, and a needy mangina.

The women who are NOT helpful are the ones being rightly slammed. Women who contribute positively, such as Hestia and Laura Grace Robbins, are being praised, on this very thread.

Your reading comprehension is terrible, exceeded only by your pathetic and needy whiteknighting.

3 women have controlled the entire comments section of this post. You guys are still letting women control you. It’s pathetic. You are not going to change their minds. They are just here to attack men.

“Desensitized is the right word. I think porn desensitizes men to the pleasures of real women and their company.”

WHAT PLEASURES!?

Still, I have to admit that I am APPALLED at how quick my fellow men are to attack even the very girls that agree with them here at The Spearhead.

Yep. You are right on the money Phil.. It’s all about control..

Afternoons entertainment for me.

Still appalled there,buddy? She’s admitting it. It’s right there in black and white, she’s here to control men and men are responding angrily and with hatred at BEING CONTROLLED.

Is this behavior still appalling? The women who are catching shit here are here only to START shit. And this woman is actually calling you a ball-less pussy if you read between the lines. She’s attempting to foment discord in the MRM for the purposes of, yes, you guessed it…..CONTROL.

DO NOT FALL FOR SUCH A TRANSPARENT AND WEAK PLOY This is the rhetorical equivalent of “Your shoelace is untied”, DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

Anonymous age 68 November 10, 2010 at 10:23

“History shows that women only tear down civilizations after men have built them.”

Correct. And women are tearing down western civilization in their lust for a ‘man-love-slave’ provided to them by the state. When men do not get to raise their sons? They quit working for the benefit of others and work only for the benefit of themselves. Just like I did. I was hated by women despite being one of the very best ‘husbands and fathers’. Now I am hated by women for not being one of the best ‘husbands and fathers’. And not being a ‘husband and father’ is a hell of a lot easier. Women trying to manipulate me by claiming to ‘hate’ unless I do what they tell me to? What a complete joke western women are.
I am delighted to see that Laura and others have their comments hidden. I only stop by long enough to give the women a down vote every time I see a comment by one. No woman should be given a voice here. None. Let them have their voice elsewhere. Only ‘honorary men’ should be welcome here…my opinion.

“If the MRM can’t stand a little bit of scrutiny or criticism I can’t imagine it is going to accomplish much.”

ReallY? We have the remedy and the draft book is published. Any man who wishes to live free in a femnazi world? The new landing post is here:
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/14/threadid/606/scope/posts/Default.aspx

Any man who chooses not to read this book and use what is in it? Well? Enjoy your slavery. Bend over and don’t expect lube.

“Yep. You are right on the money Phil.. It’s all about control..

Afternoons entertainment for me.”

There you have it, Victor. Divide and conquer. The women who are getting shit flung at them here are standing knee deep in it and flinging it at us first.

It’s right there in black and white. They are here in order to attempt to control us. They are not our friends, they’re not going to change their opinion because we’re nice to them. Why would they? They’re on the team that’s winning! They don’t realize that this isn’t checkers, it’s chess. We will win in the end, there’s no other possible outcome, women are not capable of self-sufficiency outside of man-built civilization. They only see the immediate and think they are geniuses because they can pronounce on what’s happening now, as if that required some kind of talent or brainpower.

They are here to control us, and they are praising you for helping them to create discord among us. She’s not complimenting you, she’s calling you a sackless wimp. How do I know? Well,who’s she gonna reward? Who does she get squishy for? Not you.

DON’T FALL FOR THIS UTTERLY TRANSPARENT PLOY TO DIVIDE US. IT ISN’T EVEN THAT CLEVER. BE A MAN, USE WHAT NATURE GAVE YOU FOR AN ADVANTAGE-YOUR MIND. Don’t think with your emotions like our enemy does, or we will spend the next thousand years waiting for our chance at comeuppance and recovery. If we stay sharp,we can have it in less than 20 and they KNOW this. That’s why they’re here. To control us. To make sure we never shrug off their parasitical influence and give them what they deserve. Of course, they’re too stupid to see it, but it will happen anyway, you can only stretch a rubber band so far and then it either snaps or snaps back and hits you in the face. This is OUR CHANCE.

Don’t you see? This is our CHANCE TO LET GO OF THE DAMNED RUBBER BAND AND LET THEM HAVE IT…HARD!

@Kathy
Can you make difference between kowtowing and showing some respect?
Don’t think i was disrespectful to anyone, just cleared my points without anger or hate (well Skadi don’t deserve any respect ‘cos she’s like a child).
Read back if you don’t believe me.
i think debate is good, or at least can be useful.

.

“I would love to get to understand the day to day dynamics and attitudes and thoughts of the german men.”

I live in germany and many of the men have figured it out. Women have babies and men have liabilities. So the men are quitting. If they DO marry they are marrying eastern women or women from foreign lands at a rate of about 25%. German women are reduced to selling themselves based on the ‘EU Work Permit’!! It’s hysterical.

And the German men who are ‘awake’ and not married? They treat women like 3rd class citizens. The women I am dating constantly note that I am MUCH nicer than the German men. And I have crossed over to Alpha and by my standards and very, very harsh with women now! LOL!! And even THEN I am WAY ‘better’ than the german men apparently! LOL!!

“where did those smart German men go. That is what we need to be learning next.” SingleDad

LOTS of them went to Brazil. Also? LOTS of them are still there living single lives and gaming the women or using prostitutes which are EVERYWHERE. I know quite a few german men who are single because I am in IT. They are ‘invisible’ to a great extent in ‘society’ but they are just quietly going about their business.

In my case I moved TO germany and I LOVE it. They are going to have to kill me to get rid of me!

Yeah,yeah, the feminists suddenly think men may be useful to them after all, now that the economy may not be doing all that well ,
or now that terrorism has pricked the bubble of safety people were living in,
or now that demographics are changing in a possibly dangerous way….

first they say they don’t need us…
then they say it’s our job to help them….

now what do they say?

like that james bond flick where Bond(Brosnan) gets told by his female boss:
“Well, it appears you have become useful again”

Alonso Quijano.

It is funny. You have a Spanish nickname. Alonso Quijano was the personal name of the Quixot. But you can’t be Spanish. The description you give of Spanish society is at least 20 years outdated.

I am quite the contrary. I have an English nickname but I am from Spain. I want to set the record straight.

Especially Spain, since that country had been largely isolated from the rest of the world until the late seventies under an ultra catholic dictatorship with a fetish for traditional families which is still felt strongly today and will give you a window of opportunity for about another twenty years.

Nope. Spain has been one of the countries that has endure a faster transformation. The culture has changed completely since the dictator has died in 1975. We have passed in only a generation from a radically conservative Catholic culture to a radically left-wing feminist culture.

Spain is one of the first countries in Europe to approve gay marriage and to allow gay people to adopt children.

Spain has issued a Law of Gender Violence, where if a man hits a woman, he receives a greater penalty than if a woman hits a man. This violates the equality of Spanish citizens witch is one of the principles of our Constitution. But the Constitutional Court has held this law.

Many political parties have gender quotas. Even right-wing parties are supporters of feminism.

To be fair, we have something better than USA: women are feminists but they don’t expect princess treatment. And they don’t expect to be economically supported.

I’ve seen the happiest boys growing up in Spain, where traditional “machismo” nicely counterbalances all excesses of feminism.

You must have been outside Spain for a long, long, time.

There is no machismo in Spain anymore. Spanish men are mostly manginas and white knights and they are quite content with feminism.

I couldn’t bear it anymore so I expatted. Now I live in Latin America which is closer to your description.

So, you have been warned. Don’t go to Spain thinking you will find a paradise untainted by feminism. It is sad for me to write this of my beloved country but it is the truth.

Laura November 10, 2010 at 16:45
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I think they would get more women commenting on here if they would be a little nicer to us.

Seriously man, this shit makes me laugh. Hold on…
[laughing]
wait…
[more laughing]
This comment was even funnier than the “you don’t deserve the benefits of western civilization” one.

But are the women being BANNED from this site, which is world’s away from being downvoted?

Again, an example of the thin skins of femininsts.

When exactly did The Spearhead become A Conversation With The Attention Whore Laura?

@Laura

That it is not abundantly clear to you by now that very few people give a flying fuck what you write here any more is living proof that very few people ought to give a flying fuck what you write in here any more. Your comments here are also living proof of the absurdity of the fembot fantasy that “Women Can Do Whatever Men Can Do”: women cannot self-regulate.

Try it…prove me wrong.

Kathy November 11, 2010 at 05:58
“Hmm, therein lies the rub, Globalman..Welmer just doesn’t see it that way.”
This is Welmers site and he is welcome to do as he will on his site. Women caused no end of problems on his site and he lost some men because of this choice. Dick Masterson did the same with the same result. Women ruin everything they touch if not told what to do by a man. Especially children.

On MY site I only allow ‘honorary men’. Women who have PROVEN themselves by their ACTIONS to be supportive of truth and justice, which obviously means supportive of men like me.

The other MAJOR difference is that I am not afraid of the ‘guvment’ and their courts and their policy enforcement officers and their using children as a weapon against fathers. I couldn’t care less about my offspring. So I can not be controlled by the guvment via ‘access to my offspring’. I offered one solution to the Family Law problem last year which was ‘dis-own the kids, walk away, pay nothing.’

If ALL abused fathers did what I did? We would have been done by now. And they would ALL have access to their kids. But they didn’t. So men can only blame themselves for the situation they are in because they didn’t have the balls to implement the solution that would work en-masse. So I had to then do more work to develop and individual solution that would work for one man at a time.

Because I am not fearful? A YEAR LATER, I STILL stand as the ONLY MAN IN THE WORLD TO HAVE DONE THIS. http://www.youtube.com/user/peternolan1109

Interestingly. When I was here earlier? Some stupid men tried to claim my transcript of this meeting was ‘faked’ in some way. Well? No other man in the world (that I know of) has brought video evidence of the crimes being committed in the Family Court out on video and posted it to you-tube. NONE.

ASIO took it down a few times so I noticed Eric Schmidt that if he allowed it to be taken down again I would accuse him of perversion of the course of justice and also ‘name and shame’ him as a collaborator to feminists and criminal judges in the abuse of fathers by allowing the suppression of the evidence being presented to the highest authority, the Australian People. This version has stood for three weeks now. ASIO are PISSED.

All those whiny men here who have not got the balls to do what I did? Why would I listen to them? And women? LOL!! What a joke. The evidence is now on you-tube. The transcript is public. The remedy is public. Those men who want to be free can be. It’s that simple now.

aspanishguy November 11, 2010 at 05:38
“It is sad for me to write this of my beloved country but it is the truth.”

Ditto Australia. In Australia crime is through the roof, women are horrible, men are manginas, spineless jellyfish most of them. I really dis-liked my time there last November. But I am plugging away to see what result I get. Germany. I will live there until I retire. Then I might move to the Ukraine or some place like that.

Just in case anyone has ANY doubt they want to brainwash your children earlier.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1991216,00.html

Merkel’s new center-right government has also pledged to expand the number of nursery school places, setting itself the ambitious goal of providing 1-in-three 3 under age 3 with state-funded child care by 2013.

Now. What did Aaron Russo claim Nick Rockefeller told him? That the Rockefellers wanted to get the kids away from the parents at a younger age to indoctrinate them into ‘state as parent’ by forcing both parents into work. Well? How the hell can a child under three understand propaganda and indoctrination is not good for it? No chance in hell.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/19/european-birth-rates-data-germany

“Germany’s birth rate – which is the number of births per 1,000 inhabitants – is now 7.88. That’s down 16% in the last ten years and the lowest in the country’s history.”

To Julie:

Hey dumbass, I am responsible. My house is paid for, I contribute to society and yet as a 39 year old male who’s never been married and childless, my inherent responsibility is to ensure future generations of men do not live in the current climate that’s very toxic to their futures. Oh and BTW, most of my adult life has been spent in celibacy so throw accusations at me for being a PUA. I’m not.

As I get older, I shudder at the thought of having a live in GF or wife that can destroy me at her whim. Guess what, it simply isn’t going to happen. I also shudder at the available crop of women out there who come across as nothing more than JAM’s (just another man).

Women have no skills that are of benefit to me at all. I’m truly the independent male . Oh and if you think I’m alone, I currently know 21 males in real life above the age of 30 and under 50 who have never been married and have no kids. Our combined assets are in the millions and the one thing we all agree on is women suck.

Keep shaming and putting us down. We want you to because it lets us know that we are doing the right thing by remaining single.

I, Cranky, support your need for a separatist state!

Women are the ones who need a separatist state. Men built the countries you women live in and you women have done everything to ruin what men have built. It’s become quite clear that women do not possess any of the abilities they claim to have. Many men are starting to realise they’ve been hoodwinked into believing women are equal to men. Many men are starting to wonder what exactly is it, besides women’s capabilites of giving birth, that women bring to the table that civilisation cannot do with out? Women like you need to go form your own country and stop parasiting off of men, build it from scratch, develop your own technologies, without the help of men or things made by men and then maybe we will be able to see all these female attributes that evil bad men have been oppressing. Women have screwed men over for the last time in history, we are now in the end game.

julie :

Cranky,

If they really want a separatist board that women won’t visit, they can set up on a porn site. There are plenty of all male spaces on the internet.

Porn sites are all male domains.

Every male space has women in it, a porn site is no different. Women can’t seem to mind their own business.

Perhaps Julie you could answer this:

Why is it that women always want to join men’s clubs/organisations or activites when they claim that men stifle them from expressing their ideas and stop them progressing? It would make sense for women to go form their own groups which are independent from men and let men get on with their business, independently, from women, would it not? Why can’t women leave men and alone and stay out of men’s business? Why are women so intent on limiting men’s freedom of association?

We should build a new civilization. Some men are already working on it.

http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/

Julie, Laura,

Maybe the time has come for you to tell us exactly what you are doing here..

Julie-
I once had a Feminist girlfriend who had a colossal nuclear meltdown after I told her I occasionally looked at tasteful nudes online. A few weeks later, I was using her computer (with her permission) and found 300 raw, hardcore videos of female ejaculation.
Photo of tasteful naked woman on beach = EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!
Video of woman getting rammed with enormous, penis-shaped dildos in both orifices until she jizzes all over the woman ramming her = A-OK!

Women blaming men for porn is just another tissue-thin shaming tactic.

Free men,
reload your guns. New ammos coming up.

Me-”What are you saying, Zed? I can dodge shaming tactics?”

Zed-”No, young man. I’m saying that when you’re ready, you won’t need to.”

julie November 11, 2010 at 08:13
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A basic failure to deal with adult responsibility seems to be the a central tenet of your “movement,” and the source of your bitterness.

Cue the Shaming Tactics Parrot:
BAWK! YOU DON’T WANT RESPONSIBILITY-BAWK!
BAWK! YOU’RE JUST BITTER-BAAAWWK!

Actually julie, yours was an impressive display of parroting You managed to include two shaming tactics in one sentence. I’d definitely give you a cracker for that.

What else do you have in your bag of tricks? Are MRA’s “gay”? Are we “threatening” or “dangerous”? do we “scare” you? I don’t think that you have flat out called us “losers” yet, nor have you used the “small penis” accusation. C’mon jules, work for that cracker.

Every male space has women in it, a porn site is no different.

Do you have any proof of this?

Rofl

zed November 11, 2010 at 09:18

“I pretty much always viewed the role of “husband” as being mostly a broken beast of burden…birthed and bred for the sole purpose of dragging around the load of an economically dependent family and economically and emotionally dependent wife.”

Correct. I was very upset the day I realised even my MOTHER had lied to me about women. She COULD have taught me much. But she didn’t. She wanted grandchildren. I was 33% of her chances of getting them. Even our own mothers have lied to us much of our lives. That’s a big ‘shit sandwhich to eat.

“Take that away, and men have no reason to take the risks to become coal miners…they can make what they have to in order to get by, and spend the rest of their time fishing.”

This is correct. My hours fell from needing to work 2,000-2,500 hours a year to just 300 hours a year. I was at my hair dresser the other day who is my age roughly, got a couple of boys about 18-20 I think. And she’s in GREAT shape for her age. I picked her as 35. Free cosmetics I suppose. She asked me if I planned to remarry. I laughed my arse off, as did my mate with me. I told her that my hours had gone from 2,000-2,500 to 300 per year. As soon as she realised that? This look of horror came over her face as she realised LOTs of high earners like me can do this. The first job I did post divorce? I made enough money in 6 months to last me FOUR YEARS in comfort. I had to pay all my debts. I also have invested a lot of money to get the rule of law re-introduced in Australia. I would be an millionaire in a few years if I bothered to work 2,000-2,500 hours as I used to. But I don’t want to. Now? I can spend ENTIRE WEEKENDs with a lady friend. I have not done that since 1985.

zed November 11, 2010 at 09:43

“Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.”

Zed, what is inevitable is that sooner or later more men are going to wake up like me and realise this simple fact:

“I am my own sovereign. My own king. No man is the boss of me. And should one try? I will defend my rights to the death.”

When men realise THAT? They will be free.

julie:

I’m sure a bright fellow like yourself could figure this out. Perhaps I could help by rephrasing:

Why is it that women have been excluded from certain clubs or other institutions for generations, and when the law requires them to drop their discriminatory rules and practices, they continue to try to hang onto their exclusive status by other means? Aren’t men capable of dealing with other human beings as equals?

Are you thick? Those clubs and institutions are nothing to do with women, that’s why they’ve been excluded for generations. Freedom of association allows private clubs and organisation to admit/discriminate against whomever they want, that’s the great thing about freedom but I guess in the female brain freedom for men equals discrimination for women. Why should the government dictate what private clubs do? It’s none of the government’s or women’s business.

I noticed you also selectively missed out the rest of the question:

It would make sense for women to go form their own groups which are independent from men and let men get on with their business, independently, from women, would it not?

You still have not answered my point. Or is it beyond your colossal female mind?

Because of women like you Julie the government now interferes in private businesses and organisations and freedom of association is now effectively illegal for men because of women. Hypocritical filth like you have made men’s clubs illegal all the while keeping women-only clubs legal. So don’t try and play games moron. Answer the question I put to you: Why do you think women have the right to join men’s clubs or organisations? Can’t you answer that? Why do you women have to interfere in men’s private business? You are free to form your own groups with women, why can’t you stay away from things that don’t concern you? Why do women who have sort independence from men want to join men’s clubs/organisations?

Bill Gates did not become a multi-billionaire off the products of just his own labors – he skimmed the cream off the labors of thousands of men who worked for him just because he gave them jobs. The fundamental lie of “patriarchy” is that in any system, there really is only one “patriarch.” There is only one man at the top, who benefits greatly from the enslavement of all other men below him.

More accurately it is oligarchy. Which of course has little to do with gender as feminists love to apply to anything and everything along with their easily disproven self-referencing theories. In fact, an oligarchy with women at the helm would probably be even worse. Look at how the laws are going now. It’s becoming a disgusting practice in “Rules for thee, but not for me!” where judges are instructed to give women lesser sentences for the same crime. Although, it was already happening anyway and there’s documented proof of it going back to the 1890s. This just makes it official policy and even more widespread.

Here’s a recent example:

PROBATION for a female child molester. Yes, just probation with a couple slaps on the wrist like a small fine and 50 hours of community service. A five year old child, molested and if you are a woman you are not going to get many years behind bars like a man will for being caught with a small amount of drugs in the US. Here in Canada where the court and prison systems were so inundated with bullshit cases of (male) Marijuana possession that they had to make it semi-legal just so they could process some actual crimes in between transferring wealth from now-divorced men to their now ex-wives, I guess.

I think one of the most telling comments in the whole thread was that Laura admitted that if she, as a woman, ever had to pay alimony because her husband left her because she became fat, she would resort to violence against him.

So Laura has admitted that she would behave exactly as OJ Simpson did in the same situation.

That particular admission should be seen by all men. Women COULD NOT survive under the treatment men are already subjected to every day.

@julie

Do you have any proof of this?

Yes. About 1/4 to 1/3 of all Internet porn viewers are, get this, female.

Immigration=suicide of Germany

So which is it? Are you successful exploiters, through your fake strategy? Or are you the losers, the betas, the oppressed who have no choice but to concede defeat by withdrawing? — Harpie the Femcunt

Which of these describes you?

Projection much?

How do females successfully exploit, through fake strategy?

Do women wear make-up to have their faces & lips appear redder than they really are… do they have eyelashes that appear longer than they are?

Are their tits really as firm and as big as they are? Or is she wearing a lift and separate to enhance their shape? I hear you can even get bras with fake hard nipples built in.

Are high heeled shoes worn for comfort, or for other purposes?

Is her hair colour real?

Why does she have to dangle fishing lures off of her ears? Does she think I am a trout to be gutted and fried for lunch?

Why are over 70% of divorces initiated by women? Doesn’t this mean they are defrauding their marriage contract?

Why are crimes of deceit mostly committed by women? (ie. Fraud, Perjury)… and yet, how come most men in jail for things like fraud are men?

If men and women are equal, as the fembots love to shriek, then does this mean they are also equal in sin? If so, how might it be that women sin? Is it in the same way as men? Or do they deceive men into thinking their sins aren’t real, or not “equally bad?”

… Or are you the losers, the betas, the oppressed who have no choice but to concede defeat by withdrawing. — Mistress Harpie Femcunt

“My feelings about women are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a freed slave deciding to stand up and simply walk off the plantation, I hear the nagging voice of the mistress trying to shame me to come back by calling me a loser, a beta… of conceding defeat and withdrawing. I look back briefly, flash her smile, and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What she was, as a person, I mean, what her shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” — Fedrz, in The Spearhead comments, Nov 2010

Please clarify. Thanks.

Haven’t people been “clarifying” things into your thick fucking skull for hundreds of posts already?

Didn’t you run up another thread into the 300-400 range asking the same questions?

How many men have now taken the time to explain those questions to you clearly and patiently?

Wasn’t that the thread where it was clearly illustrated that these stupid broads are not here to seek truth, but to confuse and keep us from finding it?

What the fuck makes you think you deserving anything from anyone around here except being told to fuck off?

Once the camel gets its head in the tent, you can’t get it out wihout your stuff being strewn all across the desert.

“I was under the impression that “inherent selfishness” is a quality not generally punished by the evolutionary process”
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“Inherent selfishness” to a fault. When 1/2 of a species is much more self centered, self absorbed, and more manipulative than the other half; there can be no balance.

While I’m tempted to go ‘Darwin’ on you I realize that you are still in that fish tank so it’s useless……..

or answer questions directly or honestly.

Like when you promised respect to Welmer on that last thread you ruined, by declaring you were leaving?

Should we believe you are truthful, or a manipulative liar who doesn’t say what she means?

“so which is it?”

@Julie

Presenting false dichotomies does not a call-out make. Or, to translate for the irrational female brain, searching your emotional closet for mis-matched pairs of hurt feelings then knitting them together as a contradiction of logic doesn’t automatically make them so.