Maureen Dowd Stumps for Chivalry

by W.F. Price on October 27, 2010

Never much of a lady herself, Maureen Dowd nevertheless expects men to stand up for women, even when they’ve done something awful, such as killing a little boy’s pets. In her latest piece, she bemoans the increasingly callous attitude toward women, utterly failing to connect this attitude to contemporary women’s – including her own – behavior.

Digging deep to find a knight in shining armor, Maureen comes up with Keith Richards, Stones guitarist and former junkie who, as it turns out, is kind of a softy who has been battered and psychologically tormented by women at various points in his life, starting with his mother, who systematically killed his pets. When the little Keith Richards protested, his mother said: “don’t be soft.”

After the Rolling Stones became wildly successful, Richards was mobbed by women who got so rough with him he was in mortal fear on some occasions, including one time a couple women choked him with his own necklace:

I was never more in fear for my life than I was from teenage girls. The ones that choked me, tore me to shreds, if you got caught in a frenzied crowd of them — it’s hard to express how frightening they could be.

[...]

The problem is if they get their hands on you, they don’t know what to do with you. They nearly strangled me with a necklace, one grabbed one side of it, the other grabbed the other, and they’re going, ‘Keith, Keith,’ and meanwhile they’re choking me.

Despite this rough treatment, Keith Richards remained considerate and even lent a sympathetic ear to the women who were upset by his bandmates’ tendency to sleep around and refuse to commit.

Even Richards’ supposedly “sexist” song – Under My Thumb – was written more in response to betrayal on the part of women in his life:

The songs … came from a lot of frustration from our point of view. You go on the road for a month, you come back, and she’s with somebody else.

It seems Keith Richards, despite the heroin and rock star lifestyle, had to deal with the same thing many ordinary men do, and despite the horrible treatment he was subjected to at the hands of women from time to time, he remained fairly partial to them.

Richards, therefore, is not so much “chivalrous” in that regard as he is par for the course — most men, despite pretty lousy behavior on the part of women, put up with it and continue to behave as “good boys” around women. It’s what we’ve been trained to do, after all.

On the other hand, what Maureen Dowd displays is this despicable, but sadly common, attitude that a good man is one who puts up with abuse from women and still continues to treat them with respect and deference. In some ways, it’s even worse than a master/slave relationship, because supposedly love is involved.

If one reads between the lines, chivalry, as interpreted by modern Western women, is nothing more than a woman’s privilege to do whatever she wants and behave in any manner she chooses while enjoying the unconditional protection, support and respect of men.

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greenlander October 27, 2010 at 11:34

I hope that Maureen Dowd gets hit by a bus.

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zed October 27, 2010 at 11:47

Maureen Dowd(y) is a repulsive old hag. End of story.

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misterb October 27, 2010 at 11:55

I knew a guy who was treated in almost the same manner as Keith Richards. His only escape was booze.

When he was young, he was forced to sleep outside. Tied to the pole by his own mother. Fed mostly scraps.

Women like Murreen Dowd deserves nothing. And women like the guy’s mother should be thrown into the deepest part of Hudson Bay.

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Ramzpaul October 27, 2010 at 12:03

According to her Wiki bio:

“She has never married and has no children.”

Despite all her feminist accomplishments, I sometimes get a sense in her writings that she suspects she was sold a bill of goods. I detect a sense of sadness in her writings. As if she would gladly give up her Pulitzer Prize for a husband and a family. But it is too late. She has grown old.

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Uncle Elmer October 27, 2010 at 12:06

Would like to hear what John Holmes aka “Johnny Wadd”, RIP, had to say about female on male abuse.

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intp October 27, 2010 at 12:08

In women’s mind equality will arrive once they possess license.

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Paradoxotaur October 27, 2010 at 12:10

I miss Chapin’s two-minute mocks (EZ to find w/ search engine). His Hermes Study in Bitterness was one of the first essays in the manosphere that I read:

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/chapin/2005/chapin112105.htm

A classic that always brings a smile.

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alpha October 27, 2010 at 12:11

[Maureen Dowd Stumps for Chivalry]
of course she does. Women like chivalry the way fishermen like bait.
Let’s peek at her article,shall we?
[[The misogyny reached its zenith outside a Rand Paul debate in Lexington, Ky., on Monday night when a group of Tea Party toughs roughed up a woman from MoveOn.org because she wouldn’t move on. ]]

ah yes the misogyny card.Allegedly mistreating one woman=hatred of female gender.
[[One man, wearing a “Don’t Tread on Me” button, ripped off her wig and wrestled her to the ground with the help of another man, and a third Paul volunteer stamped his foot on her shoulder when she was down. ]]

I’m sure the poor dear will be traumatized for life.

[[In a campaign season when many men — and women — are taking harsh stances that could hurt women, a chivalrous voice has at last arrived. ]]
yay!a chivalrous knight in shining armour is here to die for the females!
again.
she notes that women are also taking harsh stances that could hurt women.Now she can’t call the women misogynists, so she just ignores this little fact(Deliberately?)
I heard a saying somewhere, that roughly went “Blind is not he who CANNOT see, but he who CHOOSES not to see”
[[You’d think that an only child whose mother killed all the pets he kept as companions would not grow up to be so positive about women.

“I put a note on her bedroom door, with a drawing of a cat, that said ‘Murderer,’ ” Richards writes in “Life,” his new memoir. “I never forgave her for that.”

His mom, Doris, who didn’t like the muss and fuss, reacted nonchalantly: “Shut up. Don’t be soft.”

But the first thing he did when he began making money with a little band called the Rolling Stones was buy Mum a house. ]]

which proves for the umpteenth time that men are programmed/brainwashed to give their all for all women-mothers,sisters,wives, daughters, etc.
But of course, Maureen should be worried about the widespread “misogyny” among men shouldn’t she?

[[“I’ve been saved by chicks more times than by guys,” he writes.]]
eh?saved from what?
[[ “Sometimes just that little hug and kiss and nothing else happens. Just keep me warm for the night, just hold on to each other when times are hard, times are rough.” ]]
Logically speaking, both men and women have natural desires to be liked,loved,cared etc. But men are more desperate for it———–
-the way a suffocating man may be for oxygen, no?

[[“Under My Thumb,” he said, could’ve been about a guy under a woman’s thumb and “you’re just trying to fight back.” Besides, he says, he didn’t write the lyrics — Jagger did.

In the book, he explains: “The songs also came from a lot of frustration from our point of view. You go on the road for a month, you come back, and she’s with somebody else.” ]]

reality bytes.But don’t let that get in the way of your caring for women!

[[“I’ve never been able to go to bed with a woman just for sex,” writes the author, ]]
so, what do you want,a medal or something?Or you want all the females reading this to go “Awwwwwww”.

[[happily married for decades to the former model Patti Hansen, whom he is supporting through bladder cancer.]]
I bet loads of “misogynistic men” do the same

[[ “I’ve no interest in that. I want to hug you and kiss you and make you feel good and protect you. And get a nice note the next day, stay in touch.”]]
I wanna vomit.

[[The consummate gentleman. Who knew? ]]
Woman reader:aah yes. Now i know what kind of worm to use er I mean how to find a nice guy

Mangina Male reader:OOhoooh I wanna be called a gentleman by Dowd too!It’s so cool!I love it when women say I’m a good slave er I meanI’m a New age thoughtful sensitive understanding maner I mean male! Giddygioddy goosebumps

MRA:Where’s the shredder?

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by_the_sword October 27, 2010 at 12:22

It seems Keith Richards, despite the heroin and rock star lifestyle, had to deal with the same thing many ordinary men do, and despite the sometimes horrible treatment he was subjected to at the hands of women from time to time, he remained fairly partial to them.

Take away the money, the fame and the power and we’re all just men. So clearly there must be something more to greatness then money, fame and power. We see in the news the top tier of men getting fucked over in divorces and by (false) allegations of abuse by women. That should tell each and every man who can can reason, that being lucky enough to be rich or famous won’t protect you from being a man. You’ll still be vulnerable to women whether it be through the laws that they use to exploit you or whether it be through the feelings and sympathies that they evoke in you.

The only difference between you and Kieth Richards, P. McCartney or any big shot male, is that they got lucky and were in the right place at the right time with the right stuff to make something in their lives work.

Men can sit by idly and watch other men get screwed by women and society because they are lucky enough to not be abused at that particular moment. “It won’t happen to me” we think. Until it does.

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Survivorman October 27, 2010 at 12:24

Looking at this from a different angle, these high-visibility feministas like Maureen may well turn out to be our greatest allies.

Their particular brand of high-octane anti-male vitriol may someday reach critical mass and implode on itself as these bitter, post-menopausal women face their “golden years” with only their cats as companions.

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Keyster October 27, 2010 at 12:29

The guitarist explained in an interview with NPR’s Terry Gross that the band’s so-called “anti-girl” songs could just as easily be about guys.

Mizz Dowd failed to mention in said interview that “Keif” constantly referred to Mizz Gross as “sweetheart” and “honey”. And when she pressed him with loaded questions about his relationship with Mick, he got a little testy closing the interview with the final words, “Nice try honey!”. As condescending and sexist as he was, Mizz Gross seemed to accept it as cute and endearing; or entraptured by the presence of a rock legend.

Anyone else would have gotten, “I prefer you didn’t refer to me as “honey” or “sweetheart”. “Terry” will do just fine.”. Good ol’ Keif. Bad boy with a heart of gold, because that’s what moistens the nether regions down below.

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DirkJohanson October 27, 2010 at 12:31

Dowd, who daydreamed an entire chapter about male gendercide in her book, “Are Men Necessary?,” is now on record – thanks to this article – that treating a woman the same way a guy would be treated under identical circumstances is “misogyny.”

Of course, not stated in her article, is that just about any guy other than a rock star who acts chivalrous is considered by broads to be a sap.

P.S. If you live in KY, please vote for Rand Paul, even if you don’t agree with his political outlook, including the outer limits of his intellectual musings. With the other guy, all we’d be getting is another political hack.

@Ramzpaul

Agreed. The article she wrote in the eve of Donald Trump’s wedding, citing dope-addict lunatic Carrie Fisher as some sort of victim, most vividly displayed her envy: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/13/opinion/13dowd.html?_r=1

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fairykarma October 27, 2010 at 12:36

“She has never married and has no children.”

You would expect a woman who espouses this view to have a nice pussywhipped guy in her purse. Can anyone here think of why she holds such a view when she’s clearly very wealthy and independent?

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Herbal Essence October 27, 2010 at 12:39

Survivorman- In my experience, the best repudiation of Feminism you’ll ever get from most post-menopausal women is “both men and women make mistakes.” Which is improvement from “Grrls rule boyz drool” but still fails as a voice of positive change.

The majority of women are never going to wrap their heads around what Feminism has wrought. They’re not capable of that level of objective analysis.

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intp October 27, 2010 at 12:44

Is the charge of misogyny simply psychological projection on the part of women? Men write poems and love songs to describe how they feel about women. Men put women on pedestals. Men will fight and die to protect women. Women, on the other hand, vomit an endless stream of hatred towards men.

I’ll go one step forward. Women are incapable of authentic moral or objective judgement. They simply lack the moral and spiritual development to construct valid criticisms. Women’s criticisms are borne of herd conformity (mindless parotting of the media and other women) OR simple psychological projection.

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Paradoxotaur October 27, 2010 at 12:52

@fairykarma: “Can anyone here think of why she holds such a view when she’s clearly very wealthy and independent?”

Just speculation: ’cause money can’t buy her love?

Basically, at her age, any man she would find suitable would have younger, prettier, more fertile women to choose from and would not want her. When it comes to status (among women), I’m not sure that having a sniveling P-whupped doormat boy-toy gives a woman like her much of a boost.

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NMH October 27, 2010 at 12:54

Above average guys were/are probably not good enough for Maureen. for this reason, to see the lines on her face deepen every day on this college -educated SWPL entitlement princess is pure schadenfreude:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doublespeakshow/2170846296/

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Ramzpaul October 27, 2010 at 13:11

@fairykarma

You would expect a woman who espouses this view to have a nice pussywhipped guy in her purse.

Maureen was quite attractive when she was young. She had enough looks to pull off dating Michael Douglas for a brief period of time. And despite her intellectual pretentions, she is still just a girl who was swept away by her hypergamous instincts. She was able to ride the Alpha male carousal and, damn it, she did not want to settle.

Years passed and finally she decided to settle down. Unfortunately, much to her horror, the high status men that she expected to marry no longer were that interested in her. So her typical female hamster rationalization wheel spun furiously and determined that the reason these men were not interested in her was because they were intimidated by her career success. Yeah, that must be it!

Maureen could not accept the fact that a high status man would much rather marry some random young and cute girl who works at Starbucks versus a 40 something writer at the New York Times. I could almost hear her wail at the world, “STOP looking at those young, hot and tight bodies. LOOK at ME with my Pulitzer Prize!”

Sad. But also funny.

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scatmaster October 27, 2010 at 13:16

nmh: That picture was taken nearly three years ago.
As you stated pure schadenfreude with a capital S and cunt with a capital C.

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Anti Idiocy October 27, 2010 at 13:18

Fuck chivalry.

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misterb October 27, 2010 at 13:33

It is safe to say chivalry is dead for a long time now.

There are two types of men who endured abuse by women.

One of them are still winning to forgive the female species in what they’re mother and others had done to them
The second, those who are willing to seek revenge against those who wrong them. and those who are apathetic towards women and society in general.

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Zammo October 27, 2010 at 13:39

Maureen’s personality is likely bossy and domineering but she still wants an alpha.

Cats for her.

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Yo October 27, 2010 at 13:48

“Is the charge of misogyny simply psychological projection on the part of women? Men write poems and love songs to describe how they feel about women. Men put women on pedestals. Men will fight and die to protect women. Women, on the other hand, vomit an endless stream of hatred towards men.

I’ll go one step forward. Women are incapable of authentic moral or objective judgment. They simply lack the moral and spiritual development to construct valid criticisms. Women’s criticisms are borne of herd conformity (mindless parroting of the media and other women) OR simple psychological projection.” [intp October 27, 2010 at 12:44]

Indeed! And then here we have British feminists converting to Islam, because (among other things) they want to be told what they are not allowed to do (as one of the women said) :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1324039/Like-Lauren-Booth-ARE-modern-British-career-women-converting-Islam.html

But we still have guys here whining that we need to be moderate, so that women will join us, so that we will then be able to change things.

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misterb October 27, 2010 at 13:59

Stupid typo, its official my computer is gay, and default my browser is acting like a douche bag

there are two types of men.

One of them are those who still willing to forgive the female species in what their mothers and others had done to them
The second, those who are willing to seek revenge against those who wrong them. and those who are apathetic towards women and society in general.

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scatmaster October 27, 2010 at 14:20

Ramzpaul:

Sad. But also funny.

Not“sad” at all but well deserved.
No pity for it. It exudes hatred and should be spat upon and held up as an object of derision when ever possible.

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Tim October 27, 2010 at 14:27

Dowd turns 60 in a little over a year and half. I don’t know how long the NTBetaTimes keeps columnists around, but I imagine we’ll be hearing a lot less from her shortly. It’s amazing how america chews people up. even famous ones.

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Szebran October 27, 2010 at 14:32

If Maureen Dowd wants chilvary then WHY DOENS’T SHE START ACTING CHILVARIOUS TOWARD MEN. WHY THE FEMALE CHAUVINIST DOUBLE STANDARD??

Let these women be the ones who act chilvarious instead of being popmous hypocrites.

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Keyster October 27, 2010 at 14:56

WHY THE FEMALE CHAUVINIST DOUBLE STANDARD??

Because SHAME and its companian emotion GUILT are the best weapons feminists have at their disposal.
If a man is not chivalrous enough, he’s not a man.
If a man is too chivalrous, he’s not a man.
Women tangle men from their judgemental little pincers, flicking them about when the mood strikes to change their standards.

Keith Richards is determined to be just chivalrous enough because he’s a rock god. Brad Pitt is also very chivalrous. Famous alpha men will always seem to perfectly fit into the feminist’s illusion of manhood, and used as the model for what all other men are judged against. It’s a shaming tactic all men should heed. If you aren’t rich and famous, you’ll never be good enough.

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J. Durden October 27, 2010 at 15:05

(From the linked article): “And some of the male candidates could be part of the Little Rascals’ He-Man, Woman-Haters Club.

The misogyny reached its zenith…”

Sometimes I have to wonder if feminists even know what misogyny means, anymore.

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Carnivore October 27, 2010 at 15:06

Szebran – to put it a little differently – if women want men to act as gentlemen then women should act as ladies.

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Paradoxotaur October 27, 2010 at 15:18

@J.Durden: “Sometimes I have to wonder if feminists even know what misogyny means, anymore.”

The term is not used according to any definition. It is merely used as a shaming tool to shut men up; however, it seems to be losing its effectiveness in that regard.

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Anonymous October 27, 2010 at 15:26

Yo October 27, 2010 at 13:48
But we still have guys here whining that we need to be moderate, so that women will join us, so that we will then be able to change things.

Exactly, we are not going anywhere by continuing to be moderate.

When fighting back it should be the ‘female way’ – respond with irrationality, lack of logic or remorse, but use shaming tactics and degradation! Men have a hard time doing that, but it can be learned and the effect is amazing.

Besides that we should deal with feminism the male way and leave women out of both the process and the solution.

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novaseeker October 27, 2010 at 15:32

She was indeed an attractive woman, physically, in her youth. I suspect her sharp tongue and feminist chip on her shoulder led to man issues even then, which she undoubtedly wrote off as men being “threatened” by her intelligence and achievement, lol.

She became intensely bitter in her 40s when she was the one left standing when the music began to slow down and eventually stop. She’s remained bitter ever since.

A big part of her problem is pride. She is from a large-ish DC area religious, conservative RC family, and her siblings are all married, conservative and not exactly uncritical of Mo’s life choices. Her stubbornness in the face of her family could be considered a source of strength, in some cases, but in this one it’s more reflective of overgrown pride and self-destructive ways of thinking and being.

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julie October 27, 2010 at 15:42

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SingleDad October 27, 2010 at 15:43

Maureen Dowd is insignificant.

We must move forward past these crones.

@ Yo, nice.

I find the article on British women converting to Islam fascinating. My theory is that we are bigger slightly smarter chimps.

Women will go with who ever wins the fight. Women don’t choose, we men either win or lose, they go with the winner.

Muslims are winning big time. More people to mosque in the UK than church.

So woman have started to embrace their new masters.

If you look at the article linked above by Y0 it is hiiiilarious to see British MTV VGay skanks dressed in Hajib and trying to look all pious.

I hope there husbands don’t beat them too badly for speaking to a western publication.

This is what a feminist looks like.

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SingleDad October 27, 2010 at 15:50

@ Julie, you hate men and have no capacity for empathy. We get it. Thanks for the reminder.

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J. Durden October 27, 2010 at 15:58

It’s odd: there are so many things wrong with MoDo’s column – starting with not identifying the things that might hurt women in the campaign, then framing the Rand Paul incident as a gender-based assault, and ending with the odd digression about Keith (what does that have to do with the election?) But the lesson YOU weak freaks draw is that MoDo only likes men who take abuse from women. Other than his mother, he didn’t take abuse from anyone., other than himself, for his destructive lifestyle. Odd as MoDo is, the response here is bizarre.

Julie, can you read? Or did you miss the giant title that says “When A Pirate is the Voice of Chivalry?” Yes, there are many stupid things about the article, but the main point is some woman, well beyond her desirable years, is bitter about a perceived (never mentioned or elaborated upon) lack of chivalry. She’s trying to be coy – woe are American women, when Keith Richards is the exemplar of American male chivalry! The election wasn’t the point of the article and therefore Keith is not a digression; Keith was the entire damn point.

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EmanTheDesperateHouseboy October 27, 2010 at 16:19

Ms. Maureen Dowd needs to go soak her head. They didn’t want anymore chivalry, so they killed it altogether! For all I care, these broads can go fend for themselves!

EmanTheDesperateHouseboy

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Avenger October 27, 2010 at 16:35

I really don’t understand why you even pay any attention to these old hags.They should be ignored. They’re just jealous old females who can’t stand to see men attracted to young females and that’s all it’s about. Here’s Katie Couric bitching about some pics in the men’s magazine, GQ.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/21/glees-gq-photo-shoot-blas_n_771130.html

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MIP October 27, 2010 at 16:38

A typical effin’ Feminist !!!! Whats worst and more painful is, all the Mangina’s supporting and promoting her Misandric and crappy work!!!!

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Sha October 27, 2010 at 16:51

Give Respect to Get Respect….. We dont know what Chivalry is !!!!!

-MEN

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Omnipitron October 27, 2010 at 16:52

Gotta wonder, is this just an attempt to continue to ram misandry down the throats of the previously believing faithful as they (we) wake up from the Matrix?

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greyghost October 27, 2010 at 16:56

This lady is damn near sixty years old. What the fuck kind of article is that for a women her age to be writing. Why waste good chivalry on that. She could be offering free pussy no strings attatched and not get any love. I don’t even think she was ever good looking enough to cover for her fucked up attitude any way. The fact that she 60 and childless shows that I ain’t the the only mutha fucka to see it that way too.
Happy birthday spearhead, I just thought I waould do that old school.

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Simon October 27, 2010 at 17:11

I think those “career” women in the UK who are converting to islam are like the born again 30 somethings in the States. They have done all the coke and drinking and cock hopping and nobody wants them….whats next? Jesus/muhummad! Look, I’m brand new! I wonder how many of them had vaginoplasty.

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Keoni Galt October 27, 2010 at 17:14

Chivalry is for Ladies.

Maureen Dowd is no Lady.

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Nico October 27, 2010 at 17:16

It reminds me of Catherine Breillat (a french movie producer) citing Rocco Siffredi as the example of a chivalrous man who really respects women, in her last book. She was serious as hell; she has produced a film starring the porn star.

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Nico October 27, 2010 at 17:24

I forgot to mention that Breillat describes herself as a feminist.

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Paradoxotaur October 27, 2010 at 17:34

Nico,

Please allow me to translate:
“chivalrous man who really respects women” = an exciting man I want to have sex with

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W.F. Price October 27, 2010 at 17:38

It reminds me of Catherine Breillat (a french movie producer) citing Rocco Siffredi as the example of a chivalrous man who really respects women, in her last book. She was serious as hell; she has produced a film starring the porn star.

Nico, it strikes me that French feminists may be even more insane than our own, because it isn’t so culturally mainstream there.

But I might be wrong — I don’t know for sure. I’d actually be honored to be able to post something about what is going on in France at street level, so to speak. All I know is that when I was there as a child in the 80s, boys and men had it better than they do here in the US.

But maybe I have a warped view — the time I spent playing on the beach at La Baule was one of the happiest times of my life.

Beltain October 27, 2010 at 18:10

@ Keoni Galt

Chivalry is for Ladies.

Maureen Dowd is no Lady.

Exactly.

Chivalry has such a bad wrap these days. What bitches like Dowd seem to have no knowledge of is that chivalry was only paid to those “ladies” who also honored the rules of social custom and manners.

Under the laws or rules of chivalry men and women, enemies or friends, were treated the way they deserved and base actions or “churlish” behavior could place them outside these rules. How much outside was left up to that knight’s or noble’s own sense of justice.

You can be chivalrous and be the anti-white “black” knight as well.

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misterb October 27, 2010 at 18:43

I suspect that females who stumbled upon this site. Don’t give the damn about the surviving male victims of child abuse.

To the female species and what you call white knights, don’t believe that male victims exists. In truth they’re saturated in Kool-aid and indoctrination.

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Keyster October 27, 2010 at 18:48

Chivalry has gone from laying your coat down in a puddle on the street for her to cross, to a respectful tip of the hat, to opening doors for her so that she may enter first and then of course “defending her honor”.

They’re not being treated as “special” by men anymore, and the old women that can remember when they were, don’t like it. Men very quietly and subtly, over time, stopped open chivalrous behavior as a protest to feminism. Women are no longer special, they’re “equal”.

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Herbal Essence October 27, 2010 at 19:16

Simon- “I think those “career” women in the UK who are converting to islam are like the born again 30 somethings in the States. They have done all the coke and drinking and cock hopping and nobody wants them….whats next? Jesus/muhummad!”

True that. And notice how these “spiritual conversions” miraculously happen without the woman adjusting her behavior much at all in the long run.

Woman- “Look at me! I’m a Strong and Independent Feminist Christian/Muslim!”
Jesus/Mohammed- “Here we go again…”

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Nergal October 27, 2010 at 19:16

“But the lesson YOU weak freaks draw is that MoDo only likes men who take abuse from women.”

Oh NOEEEESSSS! Shaming language. I guess we’d better “man up” and “take it like a man”. Fuck you,cunt.

You talk about strength as if you actually knew the meaning of the word. Try having an axe hanging over your head, every second of every day, being perpetually harassed and spat upon, having NOBODY to turn to,except yourself, for a way out, and then talk to me about “strength”.

I’ll stomp your ass into a mud patch on that one,bitch, King Kong would have to call Godzilla for backup if he wanted to fight my ass.

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Nico October 27, 2010 at 19:29

Nico, it strikes me that French feminists may be even more insane than our own, because it isn’t so culturally mainstream there.

I think you’ve got it right.

Feminists are seen as eccentric by a majority of French, but the feminist agenda keeps moving ahead because it’s so easy for politicians to cash in on the defence of “women’s rights”. Even if they are not so numerous or powerful, they have a lot of leverage. French feminists still don’t play in the same league as north american or swedish counterparts though.

Breillat is an artist and she may be tempted to exagerate the eccentricity of her opinions to garner attention.

But she has a long history of fucking alpha males (including Rocco some say). Recently though, she fell in love with psychopathic con-artist Christopher Rocancourt and she was so besotted that she happily “lent” him all her money (one million dollars). The rascal didn’t reciprocate by giving her his love. He used the money to fuck other women.

Now she argues that at the time she signed the checks she was suffering from temporary acalculia.

She is completely enthralled by bad boys (she contacted Rocancourt because she wanted him to become an actor in her next film who would tell the story of a thug killing his enamoured girlfriend, after she mocks him for being soft with her).

Men should claim “temporary acalculia” whenever they open their wallet for a woman who doesn’t reciprocate with her affection and body.

But I doubt they will be able to find psychiatrists willing to testify for them in court, as Breillat did.

@ Paradoxotaur

I agree.

But I have to confess that I suffer from a similar self-deception. I am prone to give more credit to a woman for her moral or intellectual qualities when I am attracted to her.

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Eric October 27, 2010 at 19:34

I’m not sure why Maureen Dowd and her Anglobitch confederates are complaining about in this supposed lack of chivalry and decent men. Speaking for myself, when I left the American relationship scene for good, I thought I was finally being chivalrous and giving them what they wanted. For example:

1. American women have shown that they hate decent men, or masculinity in general, and prefer to pursue losers, thugs, lowlifes and weaklings. So, isn’t it the chivalrous thing to do not to interfere with their happiness and leave them to the kinds of men they truly desire?

2. American women believe that they are the owners of sex and have absolute power over ‘their’ children, including that of life and death. So isn’t the chivalrous thing to do to stand politely aside, let them impregnate themselves and take care of their children without male interference?

3. And, following Dowd’s lead, American women generally hold that men are completely unnecessary; that our only value is as sperm donors, and that the ‘superior’ female sex can get along fine without us. Isn’t the chivalrous thing to do, to acknowledge that, since they have no need for us, it’s better to pursue alternatives and leave them alone?

More and more of us are giving Dowd and her followers exactly what they’ve asked for—a world where women make all the rules and freely lord it over weak males; a world where they can abort babies at will and force the same men to pay for the ones they do keep; and a world where they can sit on their pedestals and admire themselves. Is Dowd saying this isn’t what women wanted after all?

I suppose we should best leave Dowd and the rest of the female Anglosphere alone to figure it all out for themselves since, according to them, men are too aggresive to be capable of constructive problem-solving. Meanwhile, we can go on pursing alternatives to them.

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universe October 27, 2010 at 20:24

Whenever I notice the audio CD version of Dowd’s book “Are Men Necessary” at the public library I pick it up and move it to the Science Fiction section.

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misterb October 27, 2010 at 20:25

Actually the French feminists are a league of their own. Same with European feminists.

I read somewhere that the French feminists made the American feminists look tamer in comparison.

But to the French feminists. Feminism is sacred. Abortion is a sacrament. Others had confirmed it long before.

They ignore decent men. And go for a thug

In France,A majority of the French frown on concept of religion, faith, self-sacrifice and idealism.

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Rebel October 27, 2010 at 20:37

And on the other hand, we should all be thankful for crones like Mzzz. Dowd and the myriads of others such as her, for showing us the truly ugly face of women.

The Dowd’s of this world are precious, for they are the ones who help us choose the red pill. They are the ones who open our eyes. They are the ones leading the herd of hyenas. Without them ,we would still put women on a pedestal.

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nothingbutthetruth October 27, 2010 at 21:35

“Nico, it strikes me that French feminists may be even more insane than our own, because it isn’t so culturally mainstream there.”

Well, I don’t know about France, but I am from a neighboring country. And European women, although tainted by feminism, are less insane than their American counterparts. That is,

European feminists are less insane than American feminists.
Average European women are less insane than average American women.

(When I speak of Europe, I exclude Britain, whose culture is different)

What distinguishes American women from European women is the HUGE sense of entitlement of the former, which does not exist in Europe, as a general rule. This is not because of feminism: Tocqueville and other old authors show us that American women have been pedestalized for centuries. (I don’t know why).

In Europe, women see romantic comedies as escapists fantasies, not as a blueprint of having a relationship. The concept of Prince Charming does not exist.

One of the problems is that USA is a contradictory country when it comes to values. See (http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/wvs/articles/folder_published/article_base_54).

America has a combination of traditional values with self-expression (modern) values (which is kind of contradictory). This is why women want to be feminists, pursue career, be strong and independent, enjoy casual sex, and, AT THE SAME TIME, find Prince Charming and have a traditional family with kids in good schools and a white picket fence.

This is why you often see some ball-busting feminist becoming bridezilla. Contradictory values.

This is why women are eager to get married and eager to get divorced. Contradictory values.

In Europe many people don’t marry but they had a monogamous relationship which is the same as a marriage. Women are not that eager to get married and they are not that eager to get divorced.

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Jack Donovan October 27, 2010 at 21:49

I saw this article by Dowd and I was grossed out by the second paragraph or so.

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Anti Idiocy October 27, 2010 at 21:54

I’ve been to France often enough that I’ve lost count of the number of times, probably a dozen or more. I also had a French girlfriend for about 2 1/2 years and lived with her for about 1 1/2 years. Frankly, I don’t find French women much different from American women as far as their beliefs regarding the alleged oppression of women in the past. I do, nevertheless, find that they have less of a chip on their shoulders. French women are just generally more polite and refined than American women. But then who isn’t?

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Zammo October 27, 2010 at 21:56

And on the other hand, we should all be thankful for crones like Mzzz. Dowd and the myriads of others such as her, for showing us the truly ugly face of women.

This is a very good point.

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fondueguy October 28, 2010 at 00:46

“–if women want men to act as gentlemen then women should act as ladies.”

That’s the part that alwwys gets twisted. If you apply it to DV chivalrous idiots and selfish women say NHAW on the basis… that their frail and can’t take violence physically or emotionally. That reasoning would imply that women don’t hit men in the first place. To say NEVER hit a woman is the most inane statement. But, yes, the most obvious statement is that real men do not take abuse as was already said.

I love to turn chivalry on itself. I once saw this Guy on the news who saw his girlfriend get hit by a female dunk driver. He got pissed but then started to act gracious toward this bitch, soothing her and all. I cannot comprehend what he was thinking but maybe he though he had to treat this bitch like a lady because he was on TV… chivalry is twisted and while many women like it they wont like it when a girl is murdered by her mom then takes little punishment, or when your girlfriend is getting teamed by other girls, when a man who is remarried get ruined by his ex, or when your girlfriend gets hit by a car…

I can extend the logic to babies, then children, then to men to show that chivalry is merely abuse to men. The only lesson is that men just need to push against the female herd.

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Wayne October 28, 2010 at 01:47

Dowd’s article is simply a veiled invitation to Keith. She flatters him, hoping that Keith will consider being f*cked-over by her should Patti succumb to bladder cancer. She’s a vulture, dropping shit on men while she circles …. waiting …. drooling …. hoping …. sagging.
Her article is just a cry in the dark for a victim, from a lonely old has-been.
Get on ya broomstick Maureen and fly off in to the moonlight, cackling away to yourself like you’ve done for the last 85 years.
PS: Your eyebrows are uneven and your arse does look fat in that!

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zed October 28, 2010 at 06:20

I saw this article by Dowd and I was grossed out by the second paragraph or so.

I won’t even read anything she writes – even the first sentence. I see her byline, assume it is verbal dogshit, and walk around it instead of stepping in it.

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Thag Jones October 28, 2010 at 07:11

I’d been noticing a trend along these lines, as famous and powerful men took up with the young women whose job it was to tend to them and care for them in some way: their secretaries, assistants, nannies, caterers, flight attendants, researchers and fact-checkers.

She seems to be mystified by this, and it’s sort of a sad display. Why wouldn’t a man want a woman who helps him? He can spar with his buddies; when he comes home, he wants someone warm and useful, not bitter and resentful. It’s an interesting study in denial and self-deception. If she thinks admiring the man you’re with makes you “beneath” them, it’s no real surprise that she is a spinster. Do you suppose she’s noticed that she also doesn’t want a man who she perceives as beneath her? What a bind to be in!

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zed October 28, 2010 at 07:24

If she thinks admiring the man you’re with makes you “beneath” them, it’s no real surprise that she is a spinster. Do you suppose she’s noticed that she also doesn’t want a man who she perceives as beneath her? What a bind to be in!

It must really suck to be her. Perhaps that is why she is such a rancid person. I don’t share the opinion of some of the guys here, whatever skin deep beauty she once had, it never obscured her ugliness that went clear to her bones.

However, there have always been rancid people. What I have always found more perplexing were the people – virtually all men – who gave her a bully pulpit from which to spew her venom. It’s one thing to keep a spitting cobra in a basket, away from all those it might harm. It’s something quite different to keep throwing it into the middle of a crowd.

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Paradoxotaur October 28, 2010 at 08:31

@nothingbutthetruth: “This is why women want to be feminists, pursue career, be strong and independent, enjoy casual sex, and, AT THE SAME TIME, find Prince Charming and have a traditional family with kids in good schools and a white picket fence.

AKA: fried ice

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MenZo October 28, 2010 at 08:55

“That you guys would jump on the pity wagon for Keith Richards reveals a very disturbed mentality.”

Why has no one ripped apartthis statement yet?

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SingleDad October 28, 2010 at 09:55

@ Menzo because we don’t feed trolls here. You really shouldn’t either, their nasty, smelly and hard to get rid of like rats.

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SingleDad October 28, 2010 at 09:56

I never said women where stupid, just that they go with the winner. Check this out:

http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/index.html?story=/mwt/broadsheet/2010/10/28/iran

Looks like Iran may be poised to head the UN commission on women.

Bahhhhahahahaahaha

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mgtow October 28, 2010 at 10:16

Old feminist crone dispensing her pearls of wisdom as a ‘journalist’.

Shut up, woman.

@SingleDad regarding whether women are stupid.
I quote Borat:
“But is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain?”

Sure, not all women are stupid. But in general, they’re intellectually inferior to men. Without the decades of affirmative action and feminization of curriculum, you won’t find too many women in college. This is the cold, hard, irrefutable and largely politically incorrect truth.

Wait, I take that back. Women are stupid, throw rocks at them.

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SingleDad October 28, 2010 at 10:18

@ mgtow

Firstly thanks for the years of blogging you have done if your the same guy from SYG.

Second, I never said women where smart ;-)

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mgtow October 28, 2010 at 10:24

Gentlemen, I do understand the reservations on responding to a troll with tits, but nevertheless I will be brief.

From julie:

That you guys would jump on the pity wagon for Keith Richards reveals a very disturbed mentality.

Charge of Instability (Code White) – The White Padded Room Charge
You may spot other color codes in her post, but code white should suffice for now.

Reference:
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

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Anonymous October 28, 2010 at 11:28

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NeverWillBowDown October 28, 2010 at 13:39

Islam will never change, because it’s all about oppression; not just of women, but of men as well. It isn’t enough to keep God in your heart, you have to bow down and pray in public or else be beaten with sticks by wandering packs of illiterate thugs. You aren’t allowed to think for yourself, not allowed to vote your conscience if vote at all, and definitely not live a life of self-determination.

Oh, and those who are not of that faith and only that faith: Death.

As long as I live and breathe, I choose my faith…or not choose it…without the fear of being imprisoned, tortured, and harrassed because I refuse to murder those not like me; because I do not choose to keep silent when their so-called holy men proclaim jihad whenever they get an irritated hemmoroid; because I choose to eat a piece of bacon.

Women who choose this just so they can fob off their safety onto men deserve neither freedom nor safety. Good riddance, I say. You can have them.

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SingleDad October 28, 2010 at 15:29

@ Anonymous

You can pedel that somewhere else. You women think you can change things. You were raised to think your all powerful. All your lives you’ve found us Western men wanting and in need of change.

The Taliban are actively recruiting westerners and you are falling for it. It is women that want to be promiscuous. We know you don’t listen to us but, if you ever wanted to the words are right here. You will not listen. You respond only to raw power, it seems to me.

Try that with Islamic men. I mean it, give it a go. My prediction, you will get is acid thrown in daughters face if you try to educate them.

Your Islamic overlords are not nearly as benign as us Western men. I have traveled the world and this is what women everywhere have told me. They like us western men because we’re pussies. But good luck with that, and I mean it.

This is rich.

Go get out go.

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SingleDad October 28, 2010 at 15:32

One more thing. To the guys on here. Listen to Anonymous. Read every word. Think about it. They are all like this.

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Paradoxotaur October 28, 2010 at 16:40

Is it just me, or does Anonymous have a writing style remarkably similar to Skanki/Scabi/Skadi?

Troll want cookie!!!

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gender foreigner October 28, 2010 at 16:42

Dear universe:

Whenever I notice the audio CD version of Dowd’s book “Are Men Necessary” at the public library I pick it up and move it to the Science Fiction section.

I do similar things. When going to feminist government libraries, I often take a handful of one of the piles of feminist pamphlets (all paid for by government grants, of course) and put them into my pocket and when I leave, I put them into a garbage can.

And as per comments made by others about French women. They are starkly feminist and cold-hearted sharks. In Canada, where French is the feminist language against English (the honorary male language), these two-edged swords of French women exercise their social entitlement disorder doubly predatorily. They are sharks of sharks.

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Kathy October 28, 2010 at 16:47

“Is it just me, or does Anonymous have a writing style remarkably similar to Skanki/Scabi/Skadi?”

Give the man a cigar! :D

You beat me to the punch..metaphorically speaking . ;)

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greyghost October 28, 2010 at 17:45

“mgtow October 28, 2010 at 10:24
Gentlemen, I do understand the reservations on responding to a troll with tits, but nevertheless I will be brief.

From julie:

That you guys would jump on the pity wagon for Keith Richards reveals a very disturbed mentality.

Charge of Instability (Code White) – The White Padded Room Charge
You may spot other color codes in her post, but code white should suffice for now.” Thank you MGTOW
I think we may have to start going old school on these hoes coming in here talking shit. One thing I truely liked about the spearhead was that we didn’t take any shit from some smart ass shit talking cunt.
Don’t woory about offending female posters if they are true believers they will understand. If they don’t they weren’t with you or me but are just monitering the slaves to make sure they don’t get too uppity.
So I will do my part.
Fuck you Julie

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TFH October 28, 2010 at 18:08

She said clearly she didn’t need a man.

There is NO woman who is not heavily dependent on men.

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Curiepoint October 28, 2010 at 18:16

Some Western women are converting to Islam because they are tired of the widespread sexual objectification of women in the Western society.

Yet, they still buy into sexy fashions.
They still apply makeup to look like whores.
They still date the thugs and drug dealers.
They still drink like fish when they do their “Grrl’s Night Out”.
They still act like men are worthless if he doesn’t kiss their asses.
They still act like a man is worthless if does kiss their asses.

Men are not the ones sexualizing women; a guy can go to jail if he is suspected of doing so. Women objectify themselves.

So tell me again how they need protection? Tell me again how they’re so innocent and needful?

Western men are the best, but they distance themselves.

Because the chickens have come home to roost. Men realize that they owe exactly nothing to women.

She said clearly she didn’t need a man.

Right…she said it right after Michael Douglas dumped her ass. I distinctly taste a vintage made from sour grapes.

It appears she doesn’t have room for a man in her life.

But clearly has plenty of time to write articles bitching about how men don’t regard her as a special class of person deserving of chivalry.

She’s a Word Whore. She’ll say anything to make a buck and earn a reputation, and bolster the income of her pimp: Her publisher.

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Kathy October 28, 2010 at 21:02

“There is NO woman who is not heavily dependent on men.”

True dat!

Who invented the car she drives? Who services it.. (the car, I mean.. lol) ?Who designed and built the house she lives in? Who farmed the food she eats…etc

All the great scientists, doctors, inventors, artists, leaders, successsful business owners, explorers, builders(of civilizations) musicians, athletes..(and on and on it goes)…ALL MEN!!!

Of course Dowd is dependent on men, as are all women.

Now.. just imagine you had an all women crew building your house.. Yikes..

No need to worry, really, the damn thing would never be built.. Apart from the obvious fact that women are physically inferior, they would never reach a general consensus on anything. Arguments would ensue..Not to mention PMS, and time off to pick up the kids or go to the hairdressers. ;)

Men would just get in there and get the job done.

That’s how it has always been.

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zed October 28, 2010 at 21:13

I thought it was Heather Mills who was “stumping” for chivalry – for some White Knight judge to confiscate money from Paul McCartney and give it to her.

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CM October 28, 2010 at 21:46

Anger can defeat all this misandry. But that is why they have “Anger Management” classes and coercive re-education now – they know the vicious self-consuming blood lust of the feminine can only be stayed by anger thus society preemptively has socially rejected male expression of anger in all shapes and forms. Nonetheless anger while an unpleasant emotion and dangerous – IS the correct response; and if one is unable to become angry they are very sick, disturbed and mostly likely psychotics who end up going on shooting sprees.

Frankly men should be really really REALLY pissed off! But somehow it has been successfully suppressed and redirected back into us and is poisoning men as it destroys our health and masculinity.

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Curiepoint October 28, 2010 at 21:55

A bit off-topic, but…

Sir Paul, for all his musical brilliance and ability, has a history of being easily bamboozled by those he trusts. While I am loathe to malign him, the bottom line was that he chose Stumpy, with all that he had to lose. Whatever you may feel towards Linda McCartney, she was really good for him, and they had a terrific marriage. Maybe he thought that he couldn’t go through life without that kind of bond, I don’t know…but, Heather Mills was a terrible choice. Then again, what other choices did he have with regards to women? The world has changed a great deal since the time he met and married Linda Eastman, and perhaps he maintained his optimism that things were the same or even better. Nothing wakes a person up more than a cold slap in the face.

I have been reading Geoff Emerick’s book “Here, There, And Everywhere” that tells a lot about the dynamic of the band, being as he was the principal recording engineer for the Beatles’ best work, plus the good relationship he had with Paul. Much insight is gained into his well-meaning naivete’ particularly with hangers-0n like Alex Mardas and Alan Klein.

It just goes to show that for all of a person’s creativity and even genius, there are traps and pitfalls that cannot be seen through intelligence alone. Heather Mills was just one of them.

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woggy October 29, 2010 at 03:20

@julie:

You miss the the entire purpose of MoDo mentioning Keith Richards.
According to MoDo, even a drug addicted rock star whose momma killed his cat and who claims to have been terrified of the teen groupies who clawed and groped him – the guy who could (and I’m sure often did ) bed a different one of them every night- can make room in his heart for chivalry.

Personally, I think it’s the drugs, rather than some well-thought out attitude toward women he doesn’t actually know.
At any rate, a millionaire rock star can afford such nonsense.

Why shouldn’t MoDo, or any other empty-headed woman, give two thumbs up for chivalry?
It’s a great deal for them: undue deference, on the part of men, toward those who constantly campaign for their continual, incremental enslavement- and nothing owed in return!

Is stomping on a woman’s head merely unchivalrous? Is chivalry even involved here, or is the entire incident evidence of garden variety stupidity?

I’d like to hear a prominent criticism of the statement by Paul’s opponent , whose name escapes me at the moment.
To paraphrase, he said: “It’s wrong for a man to hit a woman.”

I guess we know where he stands on the issue of female on male domestic violence.

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nothingbutthetruth October 29, 2010 at 07:54

Anonymous white knight strikes again (I would like to people to be registered to comment in order to identify them).

Last time, he claimed that science proved that use of porn caused impotence in the elder years. When I told him to quote the scientific paper, he retreated. Now it is this:

It’s easy to see why some women like men from Muslim countries. They are all over the woman, showering with compliments

Haha. And pigs fly. Ladies and gentleman, please enter to “Islam according to Walt Disney”

I am European and I have lived for years in Muslim neighborhoods. I have taught Muslim teenagers. I know Muslim culture and I have read extensively about Islam and Muslim nations.

I wonder you have not seen a real Muslim man. In the neighborhood I used to live, Muslim women had to walk two steps behind their man in sign of submission. When they get in a car, man drive while women are in the backseat, although they are only two people in the car. Men and women don’t eat together. Men eat alone first. When women clean up the table, they can eat themselves (alone as well).

Showering with compliments? Islam teaches that women are inferior to men and have to treat men with respect and submission. The Qur’an teaches that men have to beat women “until they obey”. To be accurate:

Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great. (Qur’an 4:34)

An imam from my country published a book about how to beat women “the Islamic way”. He said that you have to beat women in legs and arms, in parts that are not visible.

The only ones that shower women with compliments are Western manginas like you and this is why Western women are so spoiled. Maybe some Westernized Muslim can do that too, but it is not representative of most Muslims. Your picture of Muslim man being chivalrous is laughable.

In Islam, the husband is an über-alpha and the woman is subjected to his will. This is what Western women (fed up with manginas like you) miss.

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Anonymous October 29, 2010 at 08:29

Elder years mean impotence by definition. And porn desensitizes young men, they have admitted that themselves.

Nothing wrong with the guy driving the car.

Muslim and Arab guys pursue women. To the extent which is incredible. They also always pay on dates. They want to marry and have kids.

Just look at what is happening in the clubs. The darkies are all over the women, while the European boys just stand there. This is really sad, the European boys are just so gentle and well raised. But maybe in some cases the women aren’t that important to them beyond entertainment and simple passtime.

Some women like this exaggerated attention. It’s just a different dynamic. Some women like it and others don’t.

But the biggest problem is really the lack of spirituality and family values. Notice that the women who are converting are often upper class and well educated. They simply cannot accept the raunch culture and the lack of responsibility / order anymore.

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nothingbutthetruth October 29, 2010 at 12:55

“Elder years mean impotence by definition. And porn desensitizes young men, they have admitted that themselves.”

Haha. I know it was you and your “original” theories. Please, give me medical data that 100% of old men are impotent (this is what means “impotent by definition”). Give me scientific data about porn causing impotence (I have asked for this three time, but you are avoiding it).

“Nothing wrong with the guy driving the car.”

Nothing wrong with the guy beating the woman until she obeys. Nothing wrong with women being inferior and submitted to men. You can’t have it both ways.

“This is really sad, the European boys are just so gentle and well raised”

This is why women don’t like them. Women prefer alphas: men who dominate them. After having manginaized all the Western guys (I am fed up with decades of talking about the new man, the sensitive man, the feminist man), women don’t want that. After having ridden the sexual revolution wave and removed all limitation to free sexuality, they complain about the world they have created.

About your idealized portrait of Muslim men, give me a break. If you are a woman, please marry one of them and tell me how the life is with them (it won’t be easy, because Muslim men pursue Western woman for sex, but marry a nice and submissive virgin Muslim girl).

Muslim man see Western women as whores, to the extent that in Sweeden, some natural blondes have had to color their hair in order not to be considered Swedish and, therefore, whores.

See, for example, the end of this article.

“Ah, girl, blond whore!”‘

Josephine’ was met with these words on the first school day at a high-school in an immigrant-dominated suburb south of Stockholm. Josephine was quite baffled, since aside from her hair color there was nothing about her appearance that would indicate she was promiscuous. She didn’t use makeup and had completely neutral clothing. It was exclusively her hair-color that branded her a ‘whore’.’

Josephine’ is one of the informants for researcher Maria Bäckman, who did an ethnographic field study in a suburb south of Stockholm, where ethnic Swedes make up about 20% of the population.

[…] In her study she focused on ethnic Swedish girls. They experience being linked to the notion of free, Swedish sexuality, which in the densely immigrant suburbs is not necessarily linked with something positive. The strategy for the suburb girls was therefore to play down their Swedish identity.

“Several dyed their hair. Not necessarily because they wanted to look like immigrants, but because they didn’t want to look so Swedish,” says Bäckman.

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2010/06/blonde-jokes-arent-funny.html

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NURBS October 29, 2010 at 13:19

Anonymous:

Western men are wonderful, of course.

But there are trends in the world, and reasons behind trends. It’s understandable how some of these women want to take the weight of their shoulders and convert to a (real) patriarchal, traditionalist ideology. It’s sad it has come to this. Sure, they are converting for spiritual reasons, but there are social reasons behind it as well. Listen to these women. They are tired of objectification, porn, instability in relationships and lack of commitment. Women who are converting outnumber men. Why? Because they don’t want to be seen as a sex object anymore. Wearing a long dress is like protection. You think it doesn’t hurt us to see all the porno mags and vids which are getting more and more hurtful and degenerating day by day?

Western men are the best, but they distance themselves.

It’s easy to see why some women like men from Muslim countries. They are all over the woman, showering with compliments, proposing very quickly and want to have kids (women want to have kids too). Their aggression is just one side of the coin, the warmth and protectionism is the other.

The serial monogamy which drags out too long and sometimes just brings failure and disappointment or mere co habitation is not enough for some women. What is the point of dating and giving your sex to a man if there is no result – family and love? You men might have sex as the ultimate goal and that is enough for you, but for women it’s not enough. It’s possible that some of them will turn to fundamental Christianity, Islam and such.

Anonymous, you do realise that until a few short decades ago western women had respect from men, there wasn’t a raunch culture and relationships would more than likely end in marriage and kids. But your fellow women decided that they didn’t want that, it was oppressive and limiting. So women lobbied and broke down societal barriers that would shame anyone who acted like a whore, so that women could be liberated and have casual sex and act as ever they chose. The promiscuous western culture is a direct result of what women asked it to become. Western women are living in a culture that women wanted. Society can never go back to as it was and women will never, ever recapture the admiration and respect men once held for women, too much water has passed under the bridge.

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Anonymous October 29, 2010 at 14:21

Arabs et al should not have been let into Sweden in the first place.

Most women over there do not prefer the “dominant” type. Neither do they choose to be with Muslim guys. Yes, on the outside it is all PC and multi kulti. But when you take a closer look at the Swedish society, you can see that they do not entirely accept it. Most women do not accept them, so they go out of their way to get their attention. Sure, some do date them, but they are not a significant number. The point was that Arab dudes are much more aggressive in pursuing a girl. Again, it’s understandable how some women fall for it, but thankfully it is not considered normal by most.

The point though was that it is easy to understand why some women get attracted to Islam. Because they want something more traditionalist, where the man is taking care of them. It doesn’t mean all women. Most women still prefer the European man.

And, no, they don’t just want to have sex, they really want to marry (only some of them import wives from their homelands). They are actually proposing, etc., wanting to keep the woman.

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nothingbutthetruth October 29, 2010 at 15:10

Anonymous, we can argue back and forth but, at the end of the day, after all is said and done, women are still single and men are still free.

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Lord Viktor October 29, 2010 at 15:22

@Ramzpaul:

According to her Wiki bio:
“She has never married and has no children.”

Despite all her feminist accomplishments, I sometimes get a sense in her writings that she suspects she was sold a bill of goods. I detect a sense of sadness in her writings. As if she would gladly give up her Pulitzer Prize for a husband and a family. But it is too late. She has grown old.

THIS is why I believe in Divine Justice.

God may take His time delivering the wicked their due punishment, but He never forgets.

And you’ll be amazed that quite often, He brutally punishes the wicked by giving them EXACTLY what they want!!

The sadness in Dowd’s writing, if it is indeed sadness, shows that God has punished her in the worst way possible, by giving her her hearts desire, a life without a man and without a family.

It is only now she is beginning to realize what she has done.

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universe October 30, 2010 at 10:23

They may not get freedom, but they will get some safety. We all know which is biologically more important for a woman.

– Uh-huh. Thanks to your safety we men get less freedom first, then consequently all others follow behind.
Now I have to pull out the old quote attributed to Franklin: “They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”.
Your types should continue to keep talking your talk. Everyday, more men are getting clued in to how their respective culture has pulled the rug from under their feet and placed onerous restrictions solely upon them. But eventually the same will be visited upon you. Only, fewer men will be present to cheerfully give up what’s left of them to bail out you and yours. I just might be one among them.

And Maureen not being married / attached to a man is a statement. She is the practical type of feminist who doesn’t just talk, but shows it with her lifestyle and choices. She said clearly she didn’t need a man. It appears she doesn’t have room for a man in her life.

– Fine, let her go her own chosen way. A lot of money was made by stirring up animosity between the sexes, where this animosity didn’t have to be. But she still needed men as a central topic to write about.

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crella October 30, 2010 at 22:30

She is the practical type of feminist who doesn’t just talk, but shows it with her lifestyle and choices. She said clearly she didn’t need a man. It appears she doesn’t have room for a man in her life.

But then she bemoans the fact that there are no more good men left. If she had no interest, it wouldn’t matter to her one way or another.

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Bambino October 31, 2010 at 07:10

I don’t read the NYT but it seems to me that Maureen Dowd is one lady who has sure EARNED her lonliness.

Now be polite fellas, and just leave her be…

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DEI October 31, 2010 at 14:13

[quote]…Keith Richards, Stones guitarist and former junkie who…[/quote]

Absolutely no reason to mention that he was a junkie right there.

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Curiepoint November 1, 2010 at 04:08

It was actually ppl like Hugh Hefner that started the whole downfall and promiscuity.

Playboy Magazine did not promote promiscuity. The main body of the articles were generally well-written that covered a wide array of topics. The Playmate Of The Month photos did promote the naked female. But, if you’re going to take the line that this was what led to promiscuity and all sorts of nasty sexual traits, you might as well go further back and level these accusations at the likes of Titian and Manet.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if you did.

And it wasn’t just women who demanded sexual liberation, men wanted it too.

Wrong again. Sure, men supported women turning themselves into whores; why not? If the farmer is giving away the milk, who’s going to argue that it should be payed for? It’s not like men enmasse said:

“We’ll give you the vote if you start putting out.”

Of course, if it did go down that way, I can only conclude that women were willing to give sex away for a price. There’s a whole host of words that describe a woman who does this sort of thing, usually under the heading of a Class-B Misdemeanor.

To the point of women wanting safety above freedom, all I can say is that they deserve neither. Life is dangerous; get used to it. Life is often unkind; get used to it. Life is not free; get used to it.

Or, just blithely throw life away by joining an uber-repressive religion so you don’t have to face any of it. It’s your choice to make, but you won’t find as many men following you into it. We’ll all be standing on the outside laughing at you for all the lies you told for the last fifty years.

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Tom January 16, 2011 at 03:48

Chivarly died the day women decided to compete against men instead of with a man as his wife team mate vs the world

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