According to an article in The Daily Beast, men are demanding that women get pregnant, and then forcing them to have abortions. Nobody knows why the men are doing this, but as we all know it is the nature of men to do mysterious things that make no sense so that they can have “control.”
If one were to take the article at face value, despite the laws and technology that allow women to either give birth and force a man to pay for a child whether he wants to be a parent or not, or have the incipient human vacuumed from her womb – again, whether he wants the child or not – dastardly men have been thwarting the intentions of our benevolent feminist social workers and professors by exerting this reproductive control.
However, it goes much farther than abortion. According to some “stories,” men are telling women whether or not they can use birth control. In a veritable epidemic, men are forcing women into pregnancy, perhaps because being hauled before a judge and ordered to pay child support gives them that superlative feeling of power that the abusers crave like soma:
These disturbing stories were recounted to researchers from the Guttmacher Institute by women sitting in the waiting rooms of family planning clinics and domestic violence centers. They are different from one another: one portrays a man who pushes a woman to get pregnant, only to irrationally pressure her to have an abortion, while the other shows an act of birth-control sabotage. But the stories have something in common: they hinge on themes of coercion, control, and pregnancy.
Actually, it is easy to believe that some guys might freak out over pregnancy, given what it could mean for them. Child support laws have probably persuaded millions of men to attempt to convince their potential babymommas to abort. Additionally, there are a lot of guys out there who are not too bright, or may be immature, and who quickly sour on the idea of fatherhood when they realize the financial penalty they are likely to pay for it.
However, let’s get to the real issue at hand: the study is largely aimed at young, poor and unmarried women who probably shouldn’t be having children anyway. What is really going on here is that there’s a coterie of feminist bureaucrats attempting, as usual, to lay the blame for illegitimacy squarely at the feet of men. No, it isn’t the girl’s fault that she got pregnant or had an abortion — it’s all about “reproductive control” exerted by men.
As with most of these issues, when feminists get involved things get worse, because accountability cannot be found in the feminist dictionary. But for those of us with the ability to think rationally, how about this solution: young, unmarried women exert some “control” over whether or not they take off their pants. If a woman is not married and does not want to get pregnant, excluding forcible rape, she has all the opportunity in the world to avoid pregnancy. Therefore, to argue that men are somehow responsible for the abortions and pregnancies is simply another example of insulating women from their own bad choices.
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It might be aimed at religious men like me, in part. As a serious Catholic, I required my wife to use the Billings Method instead of the pill. After a few years, she got pregnant, and she chose not to have an abortion because of me. Later, when she wanted no more children, I refused to have a vasectomy. So she had a tubal ligation.
I suspect that would make me guilty of “reproductive control”.
Feminism really is all about circumscribing men’s power in all areas of life. Nothing infuriates a feminist more than a happy husband who has some influence in his marriage. I don’t think they mind womanising alphas, because they are really damaging marriage, or “beta schlubs”, who can be safely held in contempt. But a happy couple, with the man getting benefits from his marriage, simply enrages them.
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Just sounds like a lot of lieing bitches in the waiting room.
Does enyone really believe that these shanks (princesses) who are getting an abortion would take any personal responsibility?
No way! Its them bad men, its the tooth fairy, the dog eat my home work.
Just more phony feminist research
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Same old same old.
If they get to set the topic of discussion, they’ve already won.
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I am between writing something and not writing…
A part of me makes me wonder what is the point of these posts.
Of course feminists are stupid and liars, it is so easy for them self-convince they are without guilt and responsability.
But, what you write here and in the previous post about a feminist comment somewhere else, it is already even too well known to us.
So, what do you want to add with these articles? I mean, I already know what feminists think, will say or will do. I do not need anymore reading about their evil doings.
These writings alone, they will cause not much more than the usual indignant comments, without adding big thing to the men’s situation.
I would understand if in these articles there would be some real advice or assertion like “so, young men, this is what the women are, do-not-marry and do-not-have children”. Debatable or not, at least it would show some strong position.
Do not misunderstand me, I think these anti feminists sites are really good and useful from the point of view of the information (otherwise I would not be here), but I continue to feel there is something missing.
Something pratical, some conclusion, some suggestion, and so.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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In a better world, this topic would be mentioned only in the most clinical and technical of contexts.
I will grant that there are some exceptional instances where abortion is necessary or even desirable. But they have nothing to do with a so-called “woman’s right to choose.” They have to do with quality control, i.e., the overall fitness and well-being of a society’s population.
So I am not strictly against abortion, and I even see it as being permitted in rare cases, but only insofar as it is consistent with the long-term objectives and values of a patriarchal system. None of this “my body, my choice” nonsense.
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Urban legend? This “study” needs to be scientifically tested to be proven wrong (95% probability). But as we know, feminists will twist the meaning of common words beyond their normal bounds. See “mini-rape” (sic) here: http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/a-majority-of-one/#
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Let’s see…
50 million babies aborted, millions of them aborted without the knowledge or without the consent of the father.
Millions of men coerced into “oops” pregnancies; where they were not even the father, in an estimate of 10% of the time.
Tens of millions of men alienated, ripped away from their children ’cause the lady had a grudge.
Tens of children dead (unborn), or psychologically damaged, cause the ladies felt so.
And here we have two women coerced into an abortion.
Hell yea, we got a crisis!
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Should be:
Tens of millions children dead (unborn), or psychologically damaged, cause the ladies felt so.
On another note,
How long will it take these people to claim that a man taking precautions against pregnancy – i.e. pill, vasectomy, dipping the balls into hot water, etc – without the knowledge/consent of the woman is committing domestic violence; enforceable by jail, or mandatory insemination?
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Am I oppressing women because my vasectomy is “reproductive control”?
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In other news, The Daily Beast announced that Jews have tiny horns on their foreheads and heavy metal fans practice human sacrifice.
Seriously, this sounds like more female projection. The rationalization hamster working double time: “It’s not women that get abortions and trap men into pregnancy, it’s men that trap women with pregnancy and MAKE them abort! Makes sense!”
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Which soap opera are women getting all these nutty ideas from? Remember this was the argument women had against the male pill? Men would “forget” to take the pill in order to impregnate a woman against her will?
Personally,every time I hear retarded bullshit like that,I’m thinking “What’s the motive?”. “Control” doesn’t cut it. When you’re getting assraped by the court for 18 years it’s not a very “powerful” feeling. In fact, I don’t think men seek control of any kind in a relationship, other than what’s needed to keep a woman from doing things that put the man or his children in danger, or spending up all the money on worthless trinkets. That would more properly be termed a beneficent paternalism, and not “control”.
I think it’s women who are constantly seeking control, my evidence is the fact that they’re always asking for more control of the relationship, despite the fact that they already have 100% of the control. If you have sex with your wife,to which she enthusiastically and joyously consents and then later she says it’s rape, you’re going to jail. That’s all the control a person needs. I can’t think of any analogous kind of control a man possesses in a social context unless he’s the leader of a nation or something.
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Every time I read feminists, I get the bizarre impression that women are some kind of puppets totally devoid of will.
Puppets are doomed to be controlled.
These “snapshots” are all about young women throwing away their sexual power to thugs, and then trying to rationalize the call of their ginas as abuse and manipulation.
These men may be abusive. But these women love these “rude boys”.
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Just when you thought you’d heard all the most rediculous nonsense uttered by the feminists, one of them writes this. This can only be mental illness of some kind.
To think that anybody in their right mind is going to read and agree with this. Absolutely absurd.
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“But the stories have something in common: they hinge on themes of coercion, control, and pregnancy.”
Of course they do! A woman who’s feeling guilty about the abortion she’s about to have needs a way to blame someone else (even if only to tell it to clinic staff), preferably a man.
Comer on! No woman is going to say, “I forgot to take my pills”, or “I should have used protection when having sex with that penniless thug”, or….”it’s NOT my husbands”. Much easier to tell a self-serving, self-excusing lie than some ugly truths
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Ask them the same questions and tell them they’re hooked up to a lie detector and their answers will be different. This is how researchers found out women lie, a lot, about their number of sexual partners. If it wasn’t for this the self-reported 3 lifetime partners myth would still be held as the truth.
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I agree with Traveller: rather than continue on this path of mere problem description, I would prefer to see advises, recommendations and solutions to young males because they are the ones we mostly care for.
Can we concentrate on solutions now?
The more we describe women, the more we sense the need to DO something about it.
We can discuss about feminism until hell freezes over: things will not change one iota unless we DO something to bring correction.
We have said it before: wife material has become a scarcity in Western countries. When the land becomes so poor that nothing will grow anymore, it’s time to move to other pastures.
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To further deconstruct the original article, I have observed that at no point during the article do they give any solid numbers. Except for one:
So of the 53 girls who were in relationships with the thugs their gina tingles crave, only one had a “coerced” abortion. Wait, whoops, she didn’t! She left him and had the baby anyway, because girls love thug seed. And he got her pregnant “on purpose” because he didn’t feel like using condoms? He didn’t use the one contraceptive method available to him, which also makes sex feel less good, and HE is responsible for her getting pregnant? She didn’t use any of the dozens of methods available to her, but she’s not responsible for her own pregnancy? Really?
So one out of the 53 girls in “abusive” relationships (themselves a select sample of teenage girls) had a coerced abortion which wasn’t really a coerced abortion, it was just pressure from a guy who didn’t want a child to take care of, and she had the baby anyway, because the guy has no agency. Sounds like everything went according to the feminist playbook to me, except for the guy trying to protest against the situation in a feeble attempt at asserting his humanity and free will. Which, to feminists, is the real fucking emergency.
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I agree with the posters above. Women never take responsiblity for anything in their lives, why would they take responsibility for abortion.
It is the mans fault because he couldn’t keep it in his pants and the second he puts it in he is agreeing to 21 years of child support for a child that will, more likely than not, be raised to hate him more than any other person on earth. Even Hitler.
So, to be shocked at this sort of bullshit means you haven’t been following along.
One of the main goals of feminism is that women never have to say they are sorry, like that old chick porn flick “Love Story”. Remember, “Love means never having to say your sorry”.
That film reflected culture of it’s time, 1970. So women were already far down this road 40 years ago.
I have never met a woman that said she was sorry except when it meant she would benefit in a tangible way, more free housing, food, gifts etc.
This is true of every woman I have known, mother, sister, wife, boss……
So, if you want to put it in someone who thinks like this go for it and hump and dump American women. Don’t be surprised at the little gift you get, a lifetime of slavery to a megalomaniac.
And remember to give them your name, address, telephone number and social security number because, well, it means you have nothing to hide. It certainly means you don’t care to hide your assets.
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“…how about this solution: young, unmarried women exert some “control” over whether or not they take off their pants. If a woman is not married and does not want to get pregnant, excluding forcible rape, she has all the opportunity in the world to avoid pregnancy.”
But she shouldn’t have to. “Getting pregnant” clearly distinguishes a female from a male. This biological fact must be mitigated before true gender parity can be reached. If a man can enjoy sex without the risk of pregnancy, a woman should have that “right” as well. Why should women be “burdened” with this ability, while men can simply have fun with no worries? He can simply fornicate to his heart’s content and carry on with his life and career.
That’s the essence of feminist reproductive control. Pregnancy and the subsequent human it produces, oppresses women from being more like men. Reproductive control is the great equalizer, which is why they fight for it so hard. It’s the one thing that truly limits them and their aspirations to realize equality with men. Feminists HATE pregnancy because it means a man enjoyed himself, while making a woman a slave to his child for life. Womanhood needs to be either strictly controlled or abolished altogether, for women to ever be equal to men.
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The stories women come up with are simply incredulous. Do people really believe this shit?
Personally, I think the only way to put an end to most of the crap coming out of the feminist pie-hole is by promoting: “Her body – her choice – her responsibility”.
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Stop and assume for just a minute that this is actually true. Some men are forcing some women to stop using birth control, to get pregnant, and then to have an abortion. Why would a man do this?
It isn’t irrational at all and it might just be about control. Currently reproductive control is all about women, they have ALL the control. These men quite likely feel powerless.It isn’t a stretch to think that a man who feels powerless in his desire to reproduce or not reproduce would want to take control. How better to do that than by taking control of the two most common means of a woman’s exercise of her own control?
That men are powerless and have no control as a reason for committing abuse would never occur to a feminist. Their solution would be to make more laws and institute more draconian punishment against men. Put more men in jail. The real solution would be to give men control over their reproductive freedom. Things like better birth control for men, the ability to choose to abdicate or exercise the right to be a father once being informed a woman is pregnant or a child is born, DNA testing at birth to determine paternity, a default position of shared parenting that is enforced by the courts, and reasonable child support payments if shared parenting isn’t possible and custody is awarded to mom would be a good start towards giving men control over their own reproductive freedoms without interfering with a woman’s reproductive freedom. It would also eliminate the feeling of powerlessness and the need to take control away from women that is described above.
Of course reproductive freedom should be granted to men whether or not the above abuses are true. I’ve written a three part series called Legally Obscene that Paul Elam has been posting on his site, A Voice for Men. He posted Part 3 today and it deals with this very issue. Part 3 can be found here: http://www.avoiceformen.com/2010/10/12/legally-obscene-iii/.
TDOM
Hot debate. What do you think?
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When a woman makes decisions about her reproduction, it’s enlightened empowerment and symbolic of the power of womanhood. You go grrl!
When a man makes decisions about his reproduction, it’s oppressive control and symbolic of the domination of the patriarchy. Pass a new law!
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“It isn’t irrational at all and it might just be about control. Currently reproductive control is all about women, they have ALL the control. These men quite likely feel powerless.It isn’t a stretch to think that a man who feels powerless in his desire to reproduce or not reproduce would want to take control. How better to do that than by taking control of the two most common means of a woman’s exercise of her own control?”
That’s all very consistent but men aren’t attempting to cause women to abort against their will in order to control them. That’s not how men think, that’s how women think.
If a man wanted to cause a woman to abort, most would probably just punch her in the stomach. Some men,more intelligent men maybe, would introduce some pennyroyal or black cohosh into her tea, as these substances have been so effective that people have been administering them as a sort of “morning-after pill” in Europe for centuries.
They wouldn’t go through all this convoluted bullshit to accomplish something that could be accomplished with as little effort as pushing the woman off a concrete curb.
I would never do any of these things, and don’t personally condone them. And as far as asserting control over the reproductive process goes, I am confident we will eventually win reproductive rights of some kind. I live with the HOPE that my sons may be able to decide when they become a father,instead of having the decision made for them by the state and a woman. That’s how I assert my control, I hold onto that hope.
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On the path to finding solution(s):
Isn’t enhanced consciousness the road to freedom?
http://www.omega432.com/index.html
This may be worthwhile exploring.
When emotions have been conquered and subjugated, only reason prevails.
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I had the same thought as David. I got pregnant right after I was married, and again after I weaned the first, and I received some rude questions about it.
There are trolls who bother people at NFP sites, claiming that the men are control-freaks and oppressing the women with forced pregnancies, and whatnot. There’s some hinting about marital rape, as well. The moderators usually remove the posts pretty quickly, but I see them sometimes.
The abortion-ending is a new twist. Reproductive control versus reproductive rights, I suppose.
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I feel compelled to point out that this “study” is a very good example of how feminists so deftly exploit political correctness to their advantage.
As the majority of Planned Parenthood centers exist in inner-city neighborhoods, the likelihood that this is specifically an African-American problem is conveniently overlooked. Yet it’s “positioned” to appear as though its a far reaching cultural trend that men everywhere seem to be adopting.
And as far as the Guttmacher Institute…no agenda there whatsoever.
Yeah, sure.
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It is long past time, as long as we are on the subject of reproduction and responsibility, that MEN started having input into this issue!
Why isn’t there a question of whether fathers (who after all, are expected and REQUIRED to pay for the resultant child(ren),) shouldn’t have veto power over the mother snuffing out the lives of HIS offspring through aborting the pregnancy?
Why isn’t fatherhood (or at least financial and “support” obligations) a matter of choice for men as much as motherhood is a choice for women? Certainly there ought to be at least a period of choice–abortionists’ favorite word–where prospective fathers may legally “abort” their obligations toward the woman?
Ain’t equality grand?
Where are the inexpensive, safe, tamper proof and reliable methods of birth control for men, where prospective fathers would at least gain some measure of control over the babymama slut’s access to his time, his home, and his paycheck, for a goodly part of his life?!
What about HIS unilateral authorizing of an adoption for a child said babymama slut can’t take care of, and papa has no intention of taking care of?
What about changing the child custody rules so that he doesn’t pay for any children he doesn’t get to keep?
I am sure other readers of the Spearhead can probably think of several other points, but this is a good start.
Women have already had their way for the past half century or longer in the family courts, and domestic relations law of the USA (and many other countries) and have made a bloody mess of things! They have TOO D****D MUCH power already!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
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I know I should, before commenting, read both the Daily Beast article and the “Guttmacher” study regarding this new indulgence of forcing young women into both pregnancy and later abortions.
(An old stand-up routine came to mind when perusing this post. I don’t remember the performer but his story involved one of those assembly line fast-food chains and the wisdom of consuming the food available there. Customer orders an ice cream and employee scoops [horking noise] the food from a barrel. Another customer orders a milkshake and [same horking noise] scoops from the same barrel. The [punch-line] last customer orders a burger and fries. Same scooping noise, same barrel.
The idea, I suppose, was to consider the sourse of sustenance for one’s palate. My intellectual palate is sick of the one sourse feminist pork barrel. The same old feminist driven, “what about me or us wimmins” but “at men’s expense” diet. I want a real well prepared meal and not some out of a can formulaic preparation. Lot of people getting sick of this mono-diet. Makes for a sick culture).
I took short glance at the “Guttmacher” ‘research’ paper through the Beast article link. Its title? “Male reproductive control of women who have experienced intimate partner violence in the United States”.
When a paper, or a statement for that matter, uses the word ‘male’ (a categorization) when describing men yet simultaneously employs the word women (denoting that old catch-phrase “mature” and human) when describing females one can get a good sensing of the paper’s tilting and those who produce such things.
What “males” are they referring to as those nasty predators of da poor poor wimmins? A one year old boy in swaddling? A five year old future abuser in kindergarten? A ninety year old man plunking his dentures in a cup of water on the night stand? Male horses, burros, or porcupines? What? When an article’s first word starts off de-humanizing men, that should be an indication of the furtherance of that same old bigotry we’ve seen from the past.
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Feminism, like any other leftist ideology, pursues power by promoting victims status. The best way to convince any collective that they are victims is of course to take away the personal responsibility for their own circumstances and place the blame on others. The undermining of dominant culture is the only goal. Cultural marxism (that is all feminism is) does not even pretend to appeal to reason. As time goes on and small strides are made, the claims necessarily get more ridiculous. We see it everywhere.
Look how far the black victimhood crowd has to reach at present. “Racism” is found in greeting cards, Star Wars prequels, and discounted barbies. Don’t expect the feminist vein of cultural marxism will be any less ridiculous in their claims.
How do you combat this? Point, laugh, and ridicule.
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And while we’re laughing, the US incarcerates more males than any country on the planet.
We are also just behind 3 countries in our execution rate. In many ways any jail sentence has a significant probability of ending in being killed, I’m sure if you add those numbers to the official execution rate the US would come out on top.
What is so special about the US? Being the femi capital of the world? Yes indeed.
http://www.allcountries.org/ranks/prison_incarceration_rates_of_countries_2007.html
So is it any wonder that our sisters are trying to come up with new and more creative ways to incarcerate us.
But don’t worry, their all not like that, not your little cupcake.
Just don’t piss her off.
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Traveller,Rebel i like your idea of a string of action to take articles. i’m going to try and write an article on the subject. i suggest you take the lead and step out into space and give us some ideas you have in mind. Me personally I like the male birth control pill. I also like MGTOW. My own personal ideal is to get as many women past their child baring years childless. I would also like a reduction of at least 50% in out of wed lock child births with another 20 to 40 percent reduction in marriage from todays rate. That would be awesome to me. Give it a try fellas take the ball and run with no more standing on the side lines.We have our sons to think about and lots of femminist asses to kick.
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However, let’s get to the real issue at hand: the study is largely aimed at young, poor and unmarried women who probably shouldn’t be having children anyway. What is really going on here is that there’s a coterie of feminist bureaucrats attempting, as usual, to lay the blame for illegitimacy squarely at the feet of men. No, it isn’t the girl’s fault that she got pregnant or had an abortion — it’s all about “reproductive control” exerted by men.
As with most of these issues, when feminists get involved things get worse, because accountability cannot be found in the feminist dictionary. But for those of us with the ability to think rationally, how about this solution: young, unmarried women exert some “control” over whether or not they take off their pants. If a woman is not married and does not want to get pregnant, excluding forcible rape, she has all the opportunity in the world to avoid pregnancy. Therefore, to argue that men are somehow responsible for the abortions and pregnancies is simply another example of insulating women from their own bad choices.
I’m not sure what to think about this. It all sounds weird, but then again, there are some weird and strange people in the world.
I’ll say this though. I don’t think that the article is insinuating or trying to place ALL the blame on men when it comes to reproductive issues. And while I understand the reality of females placing blame on men and not taking any personal responsibility for their actions, I think the article is only bringing to light something that’s many people aren’t aware of. Something that (I think) only represents a small percentage of women who go to abortion clinics.
The simplest solution would be for women to put her foot down in regards to not wanting to get pregnant and/or leave the relationship. Now if the relationship is an abusive, controlling one (the type the article seems to be focusing on)…I can understand how there may be difficulty in a woman exerting her own control. Then again, this is only speculation.
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Ugh I screwed up the italics. The first two sections are quotes.
Peter,
Good point. It doesn’t mention anything about the guy stoppping her from using any contraceptives, unless we’re supposed to assume he did by context……
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You know their (feminist) reasoning is bullshit when they have to do such mind-bender tricks to justify it. Talk about stretching the limits of reality – are there people out there who actually swallow it (without already needing such a justification in the first place?)
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One of things never mentioned by these ‘reproductive rights advocates’ is what happens to the foetuses who end up getting aborted. You’d really have to scour the media to find any solid figures; but these abortion clinics and agencies are making a tidy profit selling the fetal tissue on the side. Which is another reason why ‘reproductive rights’ never seem to include things like, say, fertility clinics.
Of course, these Anglobitches get the added thrill of slapping down a man by killing his baby, too. And they wonder why decent men want nothing more to do with them?
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The troll, XX Chromosomes says, “I myself, have had 2 (yes, TWO) abortions.One – because we were both stupid and careless, the second, because my IUD failed me. The fathers were both overjoyed and grateful to dodge those paternal bullets!”
“And, I’M NOT SORRY!”
Well, I am sorry, very sorry… Abortion is nothing to be proud of, or smug about.
That you are so flippant about such a serious thing reveals much about your character.(or lack thereof) This is not a joking matter.
Many men have been badly affected by abortion. A man has no say (though he damn well should , he is the father!) if a woman chooses to murder- abort THEIR child !
A few years ago my husband’s young nephew, got his girlfriend pregnant . Against his wishes she had an abortion. He was really cut up about it. Apart from the fact that he did not believe in abortion, he very much wanted the baby. They split shortly after..
My nephew and I get on very well and he confided in me. Most of the family never even knew.
I don’t think that he will ever get over it, really. He is 30 now (my husband has three older brothers- this nephew is his brother’s eldest child.) He really loved that girl and wanted that baby.
As a result he has not had a serious relationship with a girl, since.
It makes me very sad. He is a great guy. Would have been a great father too.
A woman should not have the right to abort a child. She should be compelled to have the baby and either relinquish control to the baby’s father, or give the baby up for adoption.
Abortion is the selfish option. It always has been.
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All that makes me wonder after all if reproductive independance wouldn’t be a better choice than reproductive control.
Women wouldn’t feel used, for they could have their own children and forget about men forever.
Men would feel free and have their own, too and forget about women forever.
This way, each goes his/her own way. It would, no doubt, end the gender war.
A win-win situation IMHO.
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3DShooter says “The stories women come up with are simply incredulous. Do people really believe this shit?”
Yes, women do. They read this stuff and beleive it is FACT.
Renee says “I’ll say this though. I don’t think that the article is insinuating or trying to place ALL the blame on men when it comes to reproductive issues.”
Uhh – I don’t agree.
Not only does the article blame the boyfriends, it also blames the rotten fathers who kick their girls out and force them to live with abusive older guys who they are then forced to make happy.
“In one case, an 18-year-old girl who said she didn’t want to have a baby lied about being pregnant to her older boyfriend, who she was living with after her father had kicked her out of the house, because she wanted to make him “happy.””
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What you’re doing is evading your complicity by making sure we all know about your former bf’s attitudes. The fact is, the final decision to abort was yours, and yours alone. That’s how it is with every abortion. Short of tying a woman down and going at it with a knitting needle, men have absolutely no control over whether a woman aborts or not. No amount of yakkety-yak changes that.
Lots of men don’t want to become fathers when they’re not ready for it, just like lots of women don’t. The difference is women are free to choose when they become parents, and to take whatever measure they like to avoid becoming mothers after conception. This right is legally enshrined and women defend it with all the ferocity they can muster. Men have no such choice. Fatherhood is forced on them whether they want it or not. If there were ever a glaring example of inequality between the sexes under law, this is the elephant in the room.
If your former boyfriends were glad that you chose to have an abortion, it may well have been because it was the only option available to them to avoid becoming fathers before they were ready (if indeed they ever wanted to become fathers – their body, their choice, right?). If men had the legal right to relinquish parenthood – as women have, and do every day – you can be fairly sure the vast majority of men who appear to want abortions today, wouldn’t be so agreeable to them tomorrow. They would simply say they didn’t want to be held liable for the child, and leave women to make up their minds on their own (knowing that should the woman choose to have the child anyhow, it was her responsibility and hers alone to provide for it).
Feminist waffle about men coercing women in a small number of cases to have abortions is nothing more than men expressing frustration at being deprived a right that women take for granted.
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I wonder how many women doctors perform abortions? not many ill wager, if any at all.
But its just like a woman to higher or coerce a man to do the assassination for her. “but it was not really me who killed the baby, it was that doctor, he said it was best for all involved”
Its about time women and only women run and staff abortion clinics, that’s right lady’s you female doctors should be the only ones performing abortions.
A womans right, a womans choice and a womans JOB.
Men should keep out of it!!
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Well as I have said multiple times, the core goal of males is to keep other males from having power. And since civilization breeds for runt males, what is deemed power is any male with a backbone at all.
Now since it will take more than a little backbone to stop feminism… Once a man stands up with real solutions –and trust me: those solutions will wreak with backbone– the other males will ignore or if necessary actively fight those solutions. We’ve seen this time and time again.
So what we get instead is a bunch of runts whining but having no intention of allowing real solutions ™ to germinate. And since runt is the majority breed of civilization, well there you go.
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Piercedhead,
I remember reading statistics from a 2004 poll on abortion from the ABC News site:
Minus the last two situations, support seems to be almost equal between the sexes (personally, I don’t support it). So basically, you believe that when given more options, this poll would look vastly different due to more men being against abortion in general?
To me, your comment almost sounds like that it’s ok for men to want abortions because they don’t have as many options. Or rather I should say your tone is more forgiving…..
If I got it completely wrong, let me know.
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Ok…..I clearly remember formating that chart. Oh well….the first number is for men, the second for women.
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If these two men loved you and were relatively certian you’d make a good wife and mother, they would have never ask you to get an abortion. They were “extremely relieved” they would not be tied to you for life in any way. Based on your cavalier attitude towards abortion, I can’t say I blame them.
When a man tells a woman to “GET AN ABORTION!”, it’s his way of saying you’re a worthless whore and a simple pump and dump.
Don’t delude yourself too much with “empowerment” cupcake.
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If abortion is, as its critics say, a “taking of innocent human life” i.e. “murder”, I wonder why the onus is placed only on the physicians who perform the abortions, and NEVER on the women who hire them, benefit from them, and assert their “rights” to the abortion (baby killings?) performed. Certainly the physicians are at most in an accessory role, and it is the ‘mothers’ in question who are guilty of murder.
I wonder if there are any States who list abortion under their homicide statutes, and would be willing to try female baby killers accordingly?
Of course, if the avoidance of motherhood by taking a baby’s life is a mere ‘choice”, shouldn’t–in the name of equality before the law–men have the same privilege by killing a woman who is bearing his unwanted child? Heck, it would be taking care of two problems with one step!
Food for thought!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
PS–I certainly DON’T believe that fathers have a “right” to murder the mother of their children (and neither does any other reader of the Spearhead, I hope)! I put forward this assertion to show exactly how BARBARIC choice in abortion really is, especially when possible fathers have NO say in the outcome! DKM
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Doesn’t California (or some other state) have a law that punishes people for murdering an unborn child, with the exception of abortion? I remember reading about a pregnant woman getting killed by her boyfriend, and they tried him for double-homicide.
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Renee,
The figures you give are from a poll. They are the responses people give when asked for their opinions about something abstract – something well apart from themselves. I expect nearly all of the people questioned were sitting comfortably and under no personal duress when answering the survey.
This is a world apart from someone who has one nagging fear hammering away at the forefront of their minds, an immediate fear that is set to change their lives forever. Such a person would likely act very differently to how says he would act if asked casually in an unstressed situation.
Your poll is a measure of consistency of group-think. It bears little to no relationship to the real beast that is human nature. If men had more options over their reproductive futures, I have no idea what effect that would have on your poll. It may have none at all. People say all sorts of rubbish when describing how the world should be, and where their opinion has no consequence.
If a man doesn’t want to become a parent, and there is only one legal event that can bring that preference about, it should come as no surprise to anyone that he might want it to happen, even if he can’t make it happen (he might also secretly wish his partner died first, or have thought about absconding). If on the other hand, he could avoid parenthood by other legal options that he could choose for himself, then abortion would no longer be the only way out – and so the number of men wishing for abortions would necessarily drop.
Of course the obvious, healthiest and foolproof method of avoiding becoming a parent before time is by abstaining from sex altogether. Like many people, I wish more men chose to do this. Like few others, I wish women did as well.
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Reading posts from baby-killing manhaters like XX Chromosome verifies the scientific findings of scholars like the German anthropolist Bachofen, who warned us of the dangers of matriarchy. Infanticide, the ancient version of abortion, is widely practiced in all matriarchal cultures as women employ it both as a means of oppressing men and eliminating potential female competitors as mates.
The idea that women are the ‘life-giving, nuturing force in society’ or the ‘civilizing power over men’ is modernist propaganda and entirely false. It has only been when the prehistoric matriarchies were overthrown that civilization became possible.
Witness what has happened since feminism took root in the US and women were, socially and legally, elevated to superiority over men. Has their status as ‘owners of sex’ been of any benefit? Of course not: they have rejected traditional men in favor of thugs and deadbeats like XX Chromosome did. It’s been highly profitable for social workers, therapists, and day-care centers, but has rotted the institution of marriage from the inside out. And note this ‘caring and giving’ female’s cavalier attitude towards it all.
Has American women’s new-found status as the sole guardians of ‘reproductive rights’ benefitted us in the least? No, they eagerly rush to the clinic and slaughter babies by the millions while the rest surfeit on fat child-support payments and welfare handouts.
Even their vaunted ‘inclusion in the workplace’ has been disasterous. It’s taken the US from a self-sufficient agricultural and manufacturing power to a service-sector based economy rife with office-politics and phony ‘harassment’ charges.
All of these social disasters, as Bachofen demonstrated, are completely characteristic of matriarchies: male oppression, economic stagnation, indifference to the welfare of others— practical results of feminine power over men.
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Just one more comment before I abandon this whine cellar, this rotten sausage fest of a site: Sure as shit, some of the readers here have requested “their” women obtain a Vacuum Aspiration or a Dilation & Curettage; it’s their own dirty little secret. And I absolute guarantee, some of you have unknowingly been “deprived” of your genetic legacy. She didn’t tell you because she didn’t trust you. Count on it.
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Piercedhead, I like the way you think.
Eric, you are correct. Women are NOT fit to rule. Men have ruled for millennia, and we have made mistakes. Lots of them. But women have used any power they have recently gained to do a huge amount of damage in a very short time. It would be hyperbole to claim that America is about to fail because of matriarchy (and I am not an American, so it is not my business directly) but women’s power is damaging America. I have seen the decline in my lifetime in the morale of America. I speak of a period of from about 1960 (when I first became aware of a broader world) and 2010, as I write.
Women’s sexual and social power is destroying the West. (We are still doing OK here in Australia, but we are not so far down the matriarchal track.)
People think I am joking when I write about taking the New Testament seriously, but think about it. The forbidden texts: woman was made for man, not man for woman; the woman sinned first and became a transgressor; the head of every woman is the man. Do you think we would all be in this mess in Western society if we still took those texts seriously?
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P.S. David Collard – abusive jerks like you are what started the whole feminist ball rolling…and it’s rolling towards you!
(and take your knife wielding wife in for a head check for chrissakes!)
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Wait, you’re saying there’s some kind of rush to be had from being dragged in front of a judge to get told how much it’s going to cost every month to have my ex-wife bad-mouth me to my kids?
Here I thought I was getting a raw deal, I guess I’. just an unappreciative control freak…
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Pretty vicious, XX.
Don’t get angry trying to justify what happened — it’s over. There are some things we should simply mourn and then leave be. If you must, put on the black veil and go do your penance. It is something best kept between you and your Lord.
Now tell us what you’re really feeling and don’t hold back.
Seriously though, entertaining use of language. ‘Rotten sausage fest’ is new to me, but it has a certain ring to it. ‘Whine cellar’ was good too.
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MANKIND DOES NOT COME FROM MATRIARCHIES!!!
No way.
Nothing in real science or any religion you pray to says we do.
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I didn’t get the “rotten sausage fest” comment at first. I was thinking more about Bismark saying that:
and thinking that it is sort of like that on here sometimes, with everybody arguing over First Principles and Next Steps. A sort of frustrating, glorious brainstorm.
But I get what she meant now. Not quite as interesting, I’m afraid.
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Bravo.
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Dear XX Chromosome,
PLEASE don’t leave us! Your posts are such perfect examples of what is wrong between the sexes in Post-feminist USA (and many other countries) that you are doing us a positive service reminding real men–and the real women who love us–of the kind of (wo)mentality we are challenging. After reading a post or two from you, anyone with an IQ over his shoe size understands why this sisterhood from hell must be soundly defeated, and we have waited too long already!
Your sour, embittered, and man-hating posts sometimes don’t go far enough in their content, in illustrating the viciousness of the man-hating sisterhood from hell, but they each have enough kvetch, anger, and sterile frigidity to exemplify feminism in all its hideous”glory”!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
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Oh, I think I am going to be sick, XX actually referred to the killing of her unborn child as a “procedure.”
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And you’ll notice that XX made certain that men were to blame for everything. American women so utterly predictable about this, you can usually guess what they’ll say next before it’s even said.
No, she didn’t really WANT an abortion; she was with a scummy loser who made her do it. No, she didn’t WANT to open her legs for that bum; it was all her father’s fault. Now, men need to ride in like white knights and tolerate anything she says or does—because she’s a victim with ‘issues’.
Just sooooooooo typical. Makes me glad I’ve abandoned American women altogether.
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Trent13,
I’m sure she scheduled it right after her facial and before she got her nails done. These things take “planning”.
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SMC;
Bachofen’s theory is open to a variety of interpretations. The evidence he examined indicated that at least some Paleolithic Societies were matriarchal. That doesn’t necessarily imply that mankind evolved from matriarchy; only that during a particularly long, dark period in the ancient past that seemed to be the norm. It doesn’t preclude the possibility that a more civilized human culture existed prior to the Paleolithic Age (and more recent archaeological evidence is suggesting that it did); nor does it imply that matriarchy was the universal condition of humankind during that period., since Bachofen’s evidence of cultures outside Europe were limited.
The central part of his theory is that only AFTER the matriarchy was overthrown and the Neolithic Age inaugurated, could civilization become possible.
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Bachofen has no evidence. It is all interpretation of gegawds. Change the generation looking at the stuff and the conclusion FUNDAMENTALLY changes.
Meanwhile _no body_ understands (or includes in their models) that males hit females when they are sexually jealous (or just angry over her antagonistic behavior in general) and that that undermines any potential “matriarchy” before it even gets started.
It takes the caste structure of runts –IE variants from the litter of puppies that can only be kept alive inside the technology built en-closer –ie CIVILIZATION– to grab the wrists of male sexual-jealously thus allowing female chicanery to get a snowball of leverage going.
You don’t think barbarian males –of what ever race– hit females?
Also this statement of your’s exposes your approach…
…Somebody (bachofen) –who knows nothing about biology –seeing gegawds — through the relativist lens that has indoctrinated him– as evidence of matriarchy in no way shape or form “implies that it seemed to be the norm.”
Even if he found one, it would not mean it “seemed to be the norm.”
Do you think I’m a child?
That is the most important thing you matriarchy types have said. Why? Because it exposes your mental glitch right there: You don’t think that if men are in charge it can be called “uncivilized”. Therefore every time you see men in charge some where you call it civilization.
Civilization means literacy. Nothing more. It stated in the near east 5500 years ago as a side effect of population density made possible by 1) that area being a bottle neck out of africa and 2) agriculture techno there (happenstance of location) increasing food supply and thus increasing the amount of surviving villagers.
The implication of literacy is… larger coalitions (since literacy is a poli glue like mutual grooming is for chimps only deluxe) –a slippery slope of bigger groups then more technology and thus runaway population growth then more techno created and so on. That keeps most bits of flotsam and jetsam that worm out of the womb alive.
This flotsam and jetsam ascending is the thing that grabs the wrists of male violence thus emboldening female chicanery and thus starting that group of humans down a snowballing path of female hyper leverage. That path sees each generation of git males making more and more concessions to the pirouetting females. (Enter the praying mantis dynamic… And it’s almost dinner time.)
It is very easy to understand quite frankly.
Repeating the contention (which you must know I know) does not evidence it.
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Where is this bachofen? Who is he? Tell him sean maccloud thinks he’s is fraud. Tell him –and all his friends– I’ll be here all day.
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SMC:
Well, I can’t tell Bachofen or his friends much of anything, since he’s been dead for about a century. I would hardly call his theories relativistic either; he based it on archaeological evidence available to him. More recent evidence is showing that Neanderthal man, for example, was far more advanced than previously believed, possing a language (possibly written), were monogamous and had a religious system. It could well be that a matriarchial system arose on the collapse of that one—we simply don’t know at this point.
There have been uncivilized male-dominated societies, yes, but civilization is never possible under female-dominated ones. And civilization means much more than mere literacy, it means organization and progress as well. You can’t deny that every extant matriarchy in the world today has never progressed much further than the Old Stone Age,
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There are no matriarchies “extant” today, Eric. If you disagree, please name one.
It is highly unlikely that there were any matriarchies in the past. Not in the human behavioural repertoire.
Testosterone.
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Too much drama and too much BS.
I choose reproduction avoidance.
Problem solved.
All you breeders, marriage/family advocates, religious ‘be fruitful and multiply’ believers, baby shower party revellers, and baby rabies raging harlots… get out, and stay out of my life.
I do not care about your overrated kids. Neither do I care about your preachings regarding the virtues of fatherhood and procreation.
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You don’t know what scientific relativism means.
It means he saw what he wanted to see when he looked at “evidence”. It means a “skewed filter” for processing data. (There are various psych 102 reasons one skews like this: purposeful or accidental/conditioning. I explained this all already!)
(The term “moral relativism” more properly means the universe is unthinking indifferent and human potential absolute-OBJECTIVITY when analyzing. I understand though that sophists –the ehem “marxists”– use the fact of the universe’s indifference and objective analysis in unscrupulous ways to play “jedi mind tricks” with the dumb horde [that'd be you all].)
Not germane. (argument drift) And neanderthal were not civilized anyway. (Pre history humans used symbols to convey info. Ie proto literacy yes.)
It could well be that after neanderthal, martians came and invented earth on a butterfly’s wing of dreams.
_You don’t know how evidence works either._
Ie you can’t just fill in the unseen gaps with what ever you want, denying the other shapes of the puzzle pieces we already have. (That’s what feminists did to invent this Matr o’Past myth you’re spreading now.) A puzzle piece we have is: MALES HIT FEMALES UNLESS SOME FORCE PREVENTS THEM! (Western culture/feminists/”marxists” [ehem] censored that –when convenient for them to– and that has skewed your lens.)
That sexual jealousy and aggression is a very relevant piece that tells us what the unknown piece looks like.
(I imagine you don’t put boxed puzzles together well too.)
And if we “simply don’t know at this point”, why did you assert originally that we come from matriarchies? Again you must think me a child in your church, given your tactics.
I’m not denying that non N.Western culture is technologically and therefore socially stagnant(or that they lose battles to western diaspora); but I deny that these other cultures are matriarchies. You have a circular trick you’re trying there. (It is very fatiguing and that is why you types think you win arguments: Others abandon the field because they can sense you are loopy as bat shit.) I deny matriarchies of the bush were /are there at all.
I see another mental glitch you types have. “Progress” as synonym for “patriarchy”.
(I assume strongly “victory” too is a synonym for “patriarchy” in your types’ heads; as in “victory over the dirty savage.” …So when our western female hyper-leverage hive of complexity beats up the the simpler tribes of male warriors –who en harem females young and hit them– that makes us the patriarchs and them the matriarchs in your heads. [eye roll])
When males control females that is when stagnation occurs, since techno growth –what you term “progress” –is the side effect of human males competing (in their human techno-antler way) to win females. The more unsure the male position regarding the female the more he keeps working so as to keep up with boopsy pirouetting before him just out of ‘true’ reach. Tribes have such slow progress specifically because the males are content _given their control over females._ My evidence would be of course: Islam, Mormons, Amish, any “non Romanized” tribe. Little progress and little female leverage. Not a coincidence. (*females always have some leverage –they aint cardboard fuckboxes–and _fem sex value_ is always the catalyst for the competition; but being the catalyst and being in control are not the same thing.)
(There are various reasons why this male control was maintained in tribes: lack of plentiful food (females dependent/ had to obey more); less crafty-political brains in the males thus slowing the cycle of AlphaBetaGamma coups ousting authority/masculinity/adulthood etc.)
In civilization the fems have the hyper leverage they do (remaining ever one step ahead of propriety demand thus triggering more male competition), because a social dynamic of snowballing runt-male ascendancy made possible by technology growth eventually pulled males in total under the female “high water” mark. AS I EXPLAINED MANY MANY TIMES!
Technology is men’s antlers of competition piling up and thus creating a new environment. An “environment is a “selection pressure”. (I suspect strongly your ilk does NOT understand natural selection or incorporate it into your models as the base point. Natural selection means different baby variants form in a litter. Only some of those puppy variants live eat and breed, with the environment doing the selecting.) The new environment created by man’s hand selects for a new breed(of gracile-male types); that breed has hyper female leverage, thus morphing man from a male leverage species (where males fight directly over fem sex value[think bears]) into a female leverage species (where females pick the males and dismiss the unchosen[who then 'try' harder thus creating the "growth"] [think bowerbirds]). [Not rocket science people. Well actually it is a little _more_ complicated than rocket science; indeed that is why 99.999 percent of people don't get it --even rocket scientists... (Rocket scientist have simple hyper brains: they don't like when things get complexified to muddy and they hate people-thick equations for that reason. Can't say I blame them.]
There are no matriarchies… except for this one: western culture (and its biblical precursors [Babylon Sodom Gomorrah]) — note that matriarchy is synonymous WITH CIVILIZATION.
An interesting mental glitch you types have is you observe the female hyper-leverage-ways of an advanced mature civilization (like for example modern mature western culture) and then assert that it must be reverting to a matriarchy and that’s why it looks like it does. (?!) That’s a neat circular reasoning trick you got there.
Civilization is as I explained previously. GO READ IT AGAIN. You are uneducated and too dumb to care.
Who defined civi for you? They were wrong. Have you ever actually read a history book? (Not a “joe’s opinion about some period/event in history” book; A history, history book.) Try the Hammond atlas of history or penguin atlases of history. While they don’t specifically deal with matriarchy patriarchy issues(good thing since they aren’t trying to) they do eloquently demonstrate that civ comes from the near east stored as literate record starting around 5500 years ago(eg Sumeria) and spreading up “littorals”(coast line lush spots) through cultural and genetic “diffusion”. There is a reason we have the word “prehistory”, you know (it means “non literate record of peoples”).
If organization and progress is the definition of civilization then Am Indians and Neanderthal were civilized too. Any tribe would be called civilized for they were all “organized”* and had progress.
(*organized here is nonsense term since everything in the universe is organized.)
(A lion pride is organized; and antlers “progress” every season.)
1) “Culture” means technological survival strategies(eg a pointed stick) _passed on by language._
2) “Civilization” means culture of diverse specialists in denser populations passed on by written narrative; Cities.
Civilization is as I explained previously. GO READ IT AGAIN.
More circular contention on your part.
Civilization has always been similar to what we have now: males do the work top and bottom (in triangle shape caste) and the females exert profound influence. (As with most things “over the long haul” there are ebbs and flows as the pendulum swings.) Our modern Civi has hit a critical mass/straw on camel’s back recently (culmination of underlying snowball of slippery slope techno growth and AlphaBG coups) and now we have an intense/direct female controlled hive. In the past when this occurred, the civi imploded. But now the techno snowball is causing civi to hit a kind of auto pilot. Ie it –civ– doesn’t care whether the males en masse dislike it and ‘shrug’ or not now; it doesn’t need them anymore. [My first ever post to the 'net back in ca97 grappled with that techno-snowball-autopilot-ascending thing: "E=boybad girlgood squared". Wish I felt like finding that.]
Limit female control and males simply sit around and fuck their owned nieces –cum child brides– all day –like what happens in a tribe. (After the belly is full at any rate.)
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As I said many times, I don’t like using that “matriarchy patriarchy” jazz, for it is all made up definitions that tautologically spin per the relativism of the speaker.
Bachofen was a crackpot. Citing a crackpot doesn’t make either of you less ridiculous. Academia loves the exercise of citation but it doesn’t make anything said more valid; especially in the “soft subjects” which are opinion based.
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You have a very simple mind. Childlike in its pattern differentiation actually. And your mind is also tangled. “ENGLISHMUN.”
Do you know your IQ, Eric?
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Have you ever seen fight club? That question is not as silly as it sounds. (Forgetting that it debateably has the 2nd best ending in motion picture history –after Planet of the Apes (I)– it traces all of this without really saying any of it.) Movies are good for the simple. And everyone else too.
If you were more intelligent, I would ask if you know what a bowerbird is.
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Your major problem is definitions:
You have mis defined civilization and culture.
You have conflated the word progress (and victory) with the word patriarchy, undeservedly, circularly.
I suspect also your ilk believes a “civilization” comes from North West Europe.
You are very uneducated and too slow witted to care about that before you speak.
And I see you totally absolutely ignored my earlier statement(s) about male sexual jealousy and its violence. That ignoring –sometimes with extreme prejudice –is the key notorious trick of the matriarchy of the past crowd. (The runts civilization breeds for –be they called liberals or conservatives– simply can’t get there minds around the idea that men used to be able to start fights with wimmins and actually WIN them.)
Don’t bother responding to me unless you parry successfully my “male sexual VIOLENCE trumps incipient matriarchy” statement. You are in check[mate]. You and your entire belief –times an entire failed culture– can’t just whistle at the ceiling and pretend that aint so…
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SMC;
Reading your posts, I’ve come to one of two thoughts:
1. You are a feminist troll posing as a man and getting off diverting intelligent discussions into useless pissing contests, or;
2. You are fanatic obsessed with spouting his own opinions, even if it means doing so sabotages the MRM.
Either way, you’re not worth wasting any time on.
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David Collard;
I apologize for skipping your post, I foolishly got sidetracked dealing with a troll. To answer your question: I’d have research the specifics, but if memory serves me, there are extant matriarchial societies among the aboriginal peoples in Australasia and parts of Africa. They’re not very numerous or significant.
I wasn’t really intending so much to get into acadameic discussions over what is, literally, ancient history. The point I was making is that, to paraphrase an American political figure: ‘Matriarchy doesn’t work’ and that some researchers have already come to that conclusion decades ago. The type of Female Supremacist culture that the radical feminists have largely imposed in the US has reached predictable conclusions: male alienation and oppression, infanticide, and economic /technological stagnation.
The only problem with the belief that matriarchy could never exist because of male sexual power is logically true, but feminism/matriarchy/female supremicism is inherently illogical and needs to be analysed like a psychopathology instead of rationally understood. I agree with you here: yes, NORMAL women instinctively submit to the strong, dominant, or intelligent male; ABNORMAL women do not. That can be proven by simple observation, just look at some of the posts here: XX Chromosome believes that killing babies is entirely logical since men are intrinistically evil—when she easily could have chosen a decent man and raised a family with him. SMC thinks that women are always dominated by men, even though he (or she?) can certainly see manginas and metrosexuals all around him doing exactly the opposite. It’s insanity and beyond the bounds of logic and reason; and insanity can grip cultures as well as individuals. That’s how a matriarchy becomes possible.
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