Stop Looking For a Wife: You Won’t Find One

by W.F. Price on October 8, 2010

As I look back on my life, I realize that one of the biggest misconceptions I had when I was younger was that wives actually existed. Like many men, I learned the hard way that they do not, and now I realize I’d simply been scammed. Far too many men have fallen victim to this con, and it’s about time that we put some effort into eliminating it.

First, what is a wife? As many of us see it, a wife is a female who partners with a man and provides intimacy and support, and who contributes to the well-being of a family. Above all else, she is devoted to the family, and will sacrifice time, effort and even desire to hold it together. In short, she is the complementary image of a husband, with whom she cooperates in furtherance of this family ideal.

Such a naïve, flawed view of contemporary women came from a general lack of understanding about what they are, and ultimately from a projection of our own masculine attitudes about what is good and desirable in this world. This is why so many of us, as young men, had such a difficult time understanding why weddings are so important to women; to us the wedding was simply the gateway to this idealized world of the family — it was just a first step, a beginning.

For women, a wedding is not a beginning, but an end. It is a culmination of years of longing and preparation to be a bride, and marks a triumph and achievement. To understand this from a masculine perspective, think of the athlete who spends years training, dreaming and striving for victory. After all those years of struggle and discipline, practice and sweat, he finally gets the chance to compete in a stadium full of spectators. If he is the victor, he stands on the podium in front of the crowd, and is given his medal to his national anthem. This is a very emotional experience for many athletes, and a great joy. The bride standing at the altar is experiencing the same thing. It is her triumph — her wreath of laurels.

Little breeds a sense of entitlement more than victory, so marriage is tainted from the beginning by this triumphal celebration of the bride. Therefore, Western women go into marriage not as a wife, but as a conqueror. After that, to ask her to submit to – or even cooperate with – her husband would be akin to asking the triumphant athlete to resign himself to working the same dull, boring jobs his friends who never made the cut had to settle for. Some athletes may have the humility and grace to accept such a life without regret and bitterness, but obviously many will not.

But it doesn’t start there. Wives are made, not born. Just as a wild mustang colt must be broken to the saddle, so must a woman be broken to wifely duties from childhood. And how is the woman-child made into a wife? Traditionally, methods varied by class, but what they all had in common was that she was put to work or kept very busy from a young age. A farmer’s daughter would milk the cows, help her mother in the kitchen, sweep, sew, mend and tend the fire. Often, she would look after her younger siblings as well. Both her mother and father would hold her to her duties and warn her against vanity and daydreaming.

One might think that the daughters of the wealthy were spared such a regimen, but they had other matters to attend to. Thomas Jefferson, for example, outlined a very specific (and very busy) program for his 11-year-old daughter:

With respect to the distribution of your time, the following is what I should approve:

From 8. to 10. o’clock practise music.
From 10. to 1. dance one day and draw another.
From 1. to 2. draw on the day you dance, and write a letter next day.
From 3. to 4. read French.
From 4. to 5. exercise yourself in music.
From 5. till bedtime, read English, write, &c.

Not only did he make sure to occupy her time as fully as possible, he demanded regular updates as well:

I expect you will write me by every post. Inform me what books you read, what tunes you learn, and inclose me your best copy of every lesson in drawing. Write also one letter a week either to your Aunt Eppes, your Aunt Skipworth, your Aunt Carr, or the little lady from whom I now enclose a letter. . . . Take care that you never spell a word wrong. Always before you write a word, consider how it is spelt, and, if you do not remember it, turn to a dictionary. It produces great praise to a lady to spell well…

In addition to all these duties, he inculcated a sense of propriety, or, one might even say, shame:

A lady who has been seen as a sloven or slut in the morning will never efface the impression she has made, with all dress and pageantry she can afterwards involve herself in…

I do not wish you to be gayly clothed at this time of your life, but that what you wear should be fine of its kind; but above all things, and all times let your clothes be clean, whole, and properly put on…Nothing is so disgusting to our sex as a want of cleanliness and delicacy in yours.

Looks pretty harsh, doesn’t it? In fact, these letters have been taken as proof of Jefferson’s misogyny, but it may simply be that Jefferson, a very prolific letter writer, was raising his daughters according to norms of the time. Rather than being exceptionally strict, I suspect he was simply exceptionally prolific in his written correspondence, and when modern women read the reality of the time they are horrified because they can’t possibly imagine what hell it must have been to be female before being spoiled became a “right.”

It wasn’t any better for contemporaneous Virginian men, who were subjected to a great deal more physical brutality than women, and expected to sacrifice their very lives on principles of honor. Minor infractions such as soldiers filching an extra few drams of whiskey were punishable by brutal lashings, and insults often occasioned fatal duels. They were different times — times most of us are happy to leave in the past.

Perhaps women raised before the 1950s – women whose parents would have been strongly affected by Depression-era values – were still raised to be wives, but after postwar prosperity took hold the inclination waned. It was seen as unnecessary cruelty to treat girls in that manner, and while boys, whose fathers were often psychologically (and sometimes physically) scarred war veterans, still took a drubbing for some time, the natural human tendency to indulge children, and girls in particular, took hold. By the 1970s, only a few fundamentalist Christians and Orthodox Jews were still raising their daughters to be proper wives, but these women are generally off-limits for your typical secular or lightly religious Westerner. That may be for the best, because I doubt your typical Western man would know how to handle a wife any better than he knows how to ride a horse.

However, despite the dramatic changes in society, the idea of the “wife” still persists. Although we know that the cowboy on horseback is largely a thing of the past, most of his duties replaced by trucks, feed lots and barbed wire, we still persist in this notion that there is such a thing as a wife, that they are all around us, and that they can be found easily, attracted by shining amulets of crystalline carbon, whereupon they begin magically cleaning house, preparing meals and producing children.

If someone were to tell young men that with a little pixie dust they could fly like Tinkerbell, they could hardly be making a more absurd statement than in telling them that a contemporary Western woman will, upon marriage, become a helpful, cooperative and cheerful wife, but I suppose hope springs eternal.

One could say that part of the blame lies with the amulet and dream dealers – the media and corporations who profit from the marriage industry – but that would be to miss the big picture; these people are simply taking advantage of a demand, like all businessmen. In fact, what they sell tends to reflect rather than influence society. Take two Disney movies for example: Snow White and Cinderella.

With a couple of small children under my wing, I’ve had a lot of time to catch up on old Disney movies, and they speak volumes about the times they were produced.

Snow White was released in 1937, during the Great Depression. She is a modest, but cheerful young beauty who hides when she first sees the prince. Menaced and nearly assassinated on the orders of her wicked queen stepmother, a powerful, aggressive seductress, witch and prototypical feminist who hates Snow White for her kind, tender ways and youthful beauty, she flees into the forest, where she finds the hard-working dwarves, who are bachelor miners. Needing some protection she endears herself to the little men by cheerfully cleaning, cooking, baking pies, singing, dancing, etc. Finally, she wins over even Grumpy Dwarf, the Ur MGTOW who has little use for women. Much adventure ensues, in which she is poisoned by the feminist queen, who is subsequently chased to her doom by the furious dwarves. Sad to lose their pretty little helpmeet, the dwarves construct a glass coffin so that her beauty will not be hidden, and her prince finally finds her and awakens her from her slumber with a kiss, upon which they leave to presumably go on to become husband and wife. Note that there is no wedding in the movie.

Snow White, a girl who cheerfully cooks and cleans for short, stout and bald working men and brings some feminine grace and genuine kindness into the mix as well is an example of the old ideal wife. Not every man would get a Snow White, but he could at least expect that women aspired to be somewhat like her as wives and, most importantly, were expected to be so.

Just 13 years later, after the war that changed everything, Disney released another fairytale movie: Cinderella. Like Snow White, Cinderella was the victim of a cruel stepmother who forced her to work as a maid, but her attitude shows a marked difference. Not only does she bitch and moan about housework, she even indulges the household pests, bringing them food and protecting them from the cat.

The plot in Cinderella revolves around a royal ball in which the prince must choose a wife at the insistence of his father. The ball therefore represents female competition along the lines of the modern mating ritual, wherein females deck themselves out in all manner of finery and compete for the alpha male’s attention. Again, here is another departure from Snow White. Rather than the modest, bashful young princess waiting for a prince to sweep her away, we have a horde of women descending on a giant dance floor competing for the prize, a desirable male who is reluctant to commit. It’s a scene one can see today in clubs in big cities.

After a catfight and some subsequent hocus pocus, Cinderella emerges victorious in the contest to win the prince’s affection, and the king tracks her down by means of one of the high-heeled shoes she left behind. A fabulous wedding in a palace ensues, and the movie is over.

Cinderella is the template upon which today’s girls structure their dreams. Their overriding goal is to win their reluctant prince and stand victorious over the other women at the altar. That’s it. Once it’s over and they are married, it’s all a big letdown. The man is no longer a groom and princely, there are screaming kids and filthy clothes and dishes, no more people are honoring her and the gown is in a box. Drudgery was never part of the bargain, and who the hell is this schlub sitting on the couch watching football to expect a princess to fix him dinner?

So there we have it: there are no more wives, only brides; no more marriages, only weddings. And this change in our society happened over half a century ago.

It’s time we took the concepts of the wife and marriage put them in a museum. Some will say that you can keep your wife and marriage if you run Game on your wife, but let’s be honest here: if you have to Game her to keep her she ain’t your wife – she’s your girlfriend at best – and you aren’t married in the real sense of the word, but shacking up.

As for the Christian preachers out there who say that all you have to do to obtain and keep a wife is provide and be godly, they are liars and fools who pervert the message of their professed religion. It is akin to a Christian saying that salvation can come from good works alone, i.e. Heresy. Their message to young men is dangerous and reprehensible, as young Christian men are no better protected than anyone else, and actually serves as justification for women looking for a convenient excuse to annihilate a family.

So, to the young men out there, I’ll say this loud and clear:

Wives and marriages are like unicorns and leprechauns. If you want to grow up and get on with your life you’d best quit looking for them. You might find a woman, maybe even a decent one, but you’ll no more find a wife than I’ll catch a mermaid in my crab pot.

Expecting the impossible is always a recipe for disaster, so I sincerely hope that young men take this lesson to heart.

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Retrenched October 8, 2010 at 13:02

Cinderella is the template upon which todays girls structure their dreams. Their overriding goal is to win their reluctant prince and stand victorious over the other women at the altar. Thats it. Once its over and they are married, its all a big letdown.

That’s it in a nutshell.

It seems that almost all Western women want to be brides, but few (if any) of them want to be wives.

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Alte October 8, 2010 at 13:06

Wow, that was excellent writing, Welmer.

Do you think things will improve before your own children come of age?

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Indomitable Thoughts October 8, 2010 at 13:18

So what’s the endgame of all this? It sounds like a steep, downhill disaster. I mean if men can’t have stable families, what incentive is there to do anything? What purpose does life have when society and personal well-being is falling apart?

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Zammo October 8, 2010 at 13:23

Great quote from Roger Devlin:

Women want to get married, they don’t want to be married.

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Steve October 8, 2010 at 13:37

I am left speechless, but will again find “my voice” and wit soon.

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Keyster October 8, 2010 at 13:40

The ceremonial lifting of the veil right off the whole charade for idealistic young men to see. The more the female psyche is deconstructed the more you destroy his dreams. But he needs to know about these extremely hard to accept facts from somewhere. The knowing is part of the journey. Thanks Welmer.

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Lovekraft October 8, 2010 at 13:46

Any dilution of a culture’s core (notably via multiculturalism, moral relativism and the great beast Political Correctness) will be manifested in breakdown of civility, social mores etc.

There are no patriarchs, Gods or even male role models today. Any substitution would be a watered down version of the real thing.

So the comedy continues and men wake up to this truth. Finding an obedient woman is as easy as finding a fish in the desert.

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NWOslave October 8, 2010 at 13:47

By giving women privledges and entitlements, Big Daddy Guv along with the mass media’s willing cooperation has given women authority over men. This is NOT without a planned outcome. The Guv can easily control the women thru “gift’s” like Title IX , welfare, ect. ad nauseum. If you control the women and give them power to control men you control everyone.

Feminism is communism plain and simple. Just replace “bourgeosie” with men and “peasant” with women and you have your “oppressor” and “victim.”

Marriage, (pre-feminism) was a beautiful institution that benefited men, women and society as a whole, but where’s the power for Big Daddy Guv in that?

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garvan October 8, 2010 at 13:50

“I mean if men cant have stable families, what incentive is there to do anything? What purpose does life have when society and personal well-being is falling apart?”

Life’s purpose has nothing to do with society.

The wonderful thing about life is you get to find your own purpose, and your own reasons for doing something. Go where you find your own personal fulfilment and seek purpose there.

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Gunn October 8, 2010 at 13:53

In my view, this post, whilst well-written (and the deconstruction of Snow White vs. Cinderalla is inspired), puts the ‘blame’ for the lack of modern wives in the wrong place.

Suppose we went back to a system of no no-fault divorces, no rape in marriage, no alimony, no child support, and child custody awarded to men by default. In such a world, women would take on the mantle of ‘wife’ after they got married, regardless of what went before.

Part of the reason we have the modern pathology of marriage is as you’ve described in your post, but the major reason women are no longer wives is because all the goalposts have been moved in the last two generations so that once they are married, they have no accountability or responsibility for their actions.

Why do I think this? In those parts of the world where divorce is still shameful, where its not granted unless there is fault, and where women don’t get a jackpot payout when it ends, we see women still acting as wives.

Having said all that, I completely agree with the conclusion: men should not get married in the west under western family law.

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Renee October 8, 2010 at 13:55

Traditionally, methods varied by class, but what they all had in common was that she was put to work or kept very busy from a young age. A farmers daughter would milk the cows, help her mother in the kitchen, sweep, sew, mend and tend the fire. Often, she would look after her younger siblings as well. Both her mother and father would hold her to her duties and warn her against vanity and daydreaming.

I have no problem with children doing chores, looking after their younger siblings sometimes, and all. What I do have a problem with is when children don’t have a chance to be….well children. I guess I’m trying to get a sense of how you think it should be done in today’s day and age. Do you think ir should be done using Jefferson’s method, or do you think that there’s some sort of middle ground in which girls can do chores and such, and also play, daydream, etc?

About Cinderella.
I understand your point. There’s just one example you used that was a little skewed. Why would Cinderella want to be treated like a maid by her own step-mother and step-sisters? Of course she wouldn’t be happy doing chores for people as cruel as her family. I would “bitch and moan” too (even though I don’t remember a whole lot of complaining from Cinderella, but it’s been a while since I’ve watched the movie). With Snow White, the dwalves treated her very well and they cared about her, and her them.

Just wanted to point that out. Everything else was fine.

As for the Christian preachers out there who say that all you have to do to obtain and keep a wife is provide and be godly, they are liars and fools who pervert the message of their professed religion.

You have a point. From what I recall from the sermons in my church dealing with wives and husbands, it takes ALOT of work from both sides.

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Davidge October 8, 2010 at 13:59

The author of the Bible did understand women. That is why wives were instructed to “Submit” to their husbands. Submit sticks in the craw of virtually all women. Even Christian women that I now like to quote “Respect” your husband rather than “submit”.

I personally think that the wedding vows should go back to honor and obey. That might weed some of the worst out…

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Gx1080 October 8, 2010 at 14:03

Incentives matter in human behavior. Pimp Daddy State eliminated all incentives for women to act like wifes, so surprise! they don’t.

And come on people, shake off the indoctrination. The world is a huge place, explore it, experience it. Or at least work only for sustaining yourself. Life is too short for scaling the corporate ladder.

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SingleDad October 8, 2010 at 14:05

Our motivation should be to be the best people we can be. Get a great career, help others, try to achieve something to help humanity and to be an honest and honorable man.

Travel, have great friends, hobbies, girlfriends. Then retire early.

A good example is a friend who is 55 very good looking and has never had a relationship that lasted more than 2 months. He is very happy looks half his age and has a line of very attractive women waiting to “date” him. And he barely squeaks by playing folk music after ditching a carreer as missle guidance system designer for Hughs aircraft.

He could do that because he never married, had to pay for divorce and is single so has no entitlement princess telling him to make more money so she can by more shoes.

But marriage is over. It was not mens choice it was unilaterally womens choice. We must get over it.

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Javier October 8, 2010 at 14:12

Thank you so much for your comment Price, by the way just to clarify certain things you must be aware that the Faith alone doesnt save anyone, that would be heresy.

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Lavazza October 8, 2010 at 14:16

“As for the Christian preachers out there who say that all you have to do to obtain and keep a wife is provide and be godly, they are liars and fools who pervert the message of their professed religion. It is akin to a Christian saying that salvation can come from good works alone, i.e. Heresy. Their message to young men is dangerous and reprehensible, as young Christian men are no better protected than anyone else, and actually serves as justification for women looking for a convenient excuse to annihilate a family.”

This is the best advice I have ever seen on the subject:

1.33 In relationships, the mind becomes purified by cultivating feelings of friendliness towards those who are happy, compassion for those who are suffering, goodwill towards those who are virtuous, and indifference or neutrality towards those we perceive as wicked or evil.

(maitri karuna mudita upekshanam sukha duhka punya apunya vishayanam bhavanatah chitta prasadanam)

* maitri = friendliness, pleasantness, lovingness
* karuna = compassion, mercy
* mudita = gladness, goodwill
* upekshanam = acceptance, equanimity, indifference, disregard, neutrality
* sukha = happy, comfortable, joyous
* duhka = pain, misery, suffering, sorrow
* punya = virtuous, meritorious, benevolent
* apunya = non-virtuous, vice, bad, wicked, evil, bad, demerit, non-meritorious,
* vishayanam = regarding those subjects, in relation to those objects
* bhavanatah = by cultivating habits, by constant reflection, developing attitude, cultivating, impressing on oneself
* chitta = mind field, consciousness
* prasadanam = purified, clear, serene, pleasant, pacified, undisturbed, peaceful, calm

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Javier October 8, 2010 at 14:22

And you are spot on, the marriage is dead in the West and nothing short of a miracle will heal that rotten institution.

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George Whale October 8, 2010 at 14:43

They do exist, but rarely in America or Western Europe. Find a Russian or Asian woman, somebody untainted by the hateful doctrine of feminism.

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Anonymous October 8, 2010 at 14:48

Their overriding goal is to win their reluctant prince and stand victorious over the other women at the altar. Thats it. Once its over and they are married, its all a big letdown.

I noticed this in my teens, I wondered why all fiction ended with the couple at the altar. I thought at that time that it was purposeful planting of the idea that the actual marriage itself was drudgery…

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piercedhead October 8, 2010 at 14:52

“Western women go into marriage not as a wife, but as a conqueror”

One of the best summaries I’ve read in a long while. Great writing.

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Steve October 8, 2010 at 14:54

Submission is a demonized word, but can be understood as mission under. Men innately have this understanding and are comfortable with it.

Picture a group of guys getting together to build a deck. The first thing each must figure out is Who is in charge here? Men first establish order (hierarchy). After that, the guy in charge will assign tasks to each man and each man will perform his task (sub-mission) to support the project (mission). If no one (or everyone) is in charge it will be a ClusterF***.

The truth is that most guys do not want the leadership job because it is much less stressful to work for the mission in a supportive role. Often a man will not want to be in charge, but other men will decide who has the best skills, leadership ability and knowledge (democracy). Thus a reluctant leader will step up when he is chosen (elected). Of course sometimes an asshole (dictator) assumes control but doesnt know his butt from a hot rock. Then the team will not work as hard or as effectively and may walk off the job. This innate male behavior is corrective within the group.

Men have non-sexual fantasies about a submissive woman and would even be willing to die to obtain such a treasure.

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David Collard October 8, 2010 at 15:18

I must be a happy old “dinosaur”, because I have had a devoted wife and helpmeet for 25 years. She is NOT as saint, but she has run the household and provided all the traditional services. She has a part-time job and mostly has had over the years but she has been prepared to play second fiddle to me in general. In short, she is a wife.

In return, I think she gets affection, a place in society, a nice home, and a father for our children. I am a good father, I think. I take that role very seriously, and I hope soon to start taking Wednesday afternoons off to work from home so as to spend time with our autistic son and his therapist in helping him with his schoolwork.

I don’t know why she has been so good. We live in Australia, which probably helps. Australian women are not fucking insane like American girls seem to be today. Also, my wife was very well trained by her mother as a housewife.

In terms of my personality, I think I have a good mixture of “alpha” and “beta”. I can be firm, but I can be kind and tolerant, and I have borne our family worries with my wife as a companion. We are of the same religion.

I think my wife has a naturally submissive streak, and I enjoy being the man. I am not squeamish about being “the boss”. I was thinking yesterday that I regard myself as the head of my wife because of the long-standing tradition of my (Catholic) church. But, more than that, I have natural “game” and I can get her to follow me. I strongly believe that you have to lead a woman, not try to chivvy her along.

I don’t take crap, as they say. I don’t just boast this. I really don’t. I expect her to show me a reasonable level of deference and respect. This is something you cannot demand, but you can expect it, and you should get it most of the time. Women associate respect with love.

Yes, Steve, men have fantasies about submissive women. Not just non-sexual. And I am naturally domineering. When I see a pretty girl, my first instinct has always been to wonder if I could dominate her. My sexuality is tied up with my need to rule the woman. I imagine my wife picked up on this and that is one reason she married me. We complement each other.

Women, I suspect, like to serve men as wives if they look up to the man. Nobody likes to be subordinated in any way to a fool.

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Thag Jones October 8, 2010 at 15:21

This is exactly it. You have articulated why I don’t mind my kids watching Snow White, but why I cringe at the later Disney fluff. I just can’t stand the big wedding at the end, but I wasn’t one of those girls who dreamed about a wedding (I was a bit of a Tom Boy really) and have always found the modern bridezilla utterly ridiculous. All the “it has to be perfect” and months (even years) of planning one freaking day down to every last detail just isn’t something that’s in me to do.

It’s all such a shame, really. But this nails it perfectly.

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Tyrone October 8, 2010 at 15:22

“They do exist, but rarely in America or Western Europe. Find a Russian or Asian woman, somebody untainted by the hateful doctrine of feminism.”

And when you bring them back here, they’ll quickly get corrupted. You’ll have 5, maybe 10, years of marital bliss before she’s planning your financial and emotional demise.

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Paradoxotaur October 8, 2010 at 15:45

Re: Wives submitting to their husbands

I always thought this was just a memorialization of what they observed to be the best way to do things. Like putting socks on before shoes. Shoes first? Not so good. If the wife is dominant, is anyone happy? Nothing fills a woman with contempt faster than a submissive husband. (Practice tip: ignore what she says, and focus on how she acts)

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Richard October 8, 2010 at 15:46

One thing I disagree with:

“After that, to ask her to submit to or even cooperate with her husband would be akin to asking the triumphant athlete to resign himself to working the same dull, boring jobs his friends who never made the cut had to settle for.”

more like:

After that, to ask her to submit to or even cooperate with her husband would be akin to asking Adolph Hitler to play “butler” to a Jewish family, or asking a KKK member to shine a black man’s shoes.

No offense, but I think you are making light of a much more serious situation. Marriage is damnation for a man. Period. Women know this. PERIOD. Once a marriage occurs, any and all women know that they have him by the balls. They will do nothing except use that to their advantage.

period.

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DirkJohanson October 8, 2010 at 15:57

Allow me to rally the troops with what, in the same vein as the article, I tweeted a few minutes prior to reading it:

“Ah, to be 47. ~same age woman in front of me is buying Depends. I’m buying Kyng large condoms 2 use on a 23 year old.

“Go single, young man”

@Tyrone:

I think you’re lucky to even get two years, let alone five, and thanks to the net, they are probably more in tune to exactly what they want the second they get here.

Here in Tampa, there is one slight advantage that might buy a few months of quality, an advantage I was thinking of when I was considering importing a cute 21 YO Colombiana. The high-end mall here has a giant sign for the Cheesecake Factory in front of it. If she ever asked,

“what’s that over there?, It looks nice”, I could truthfully respond,

“a factory” They make cheesecake.”

“Oh, never mind, then.”

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SingleDad October 8, 2010 at 16:02

Regarding bringing non-feministic women to the US, I can’t help but think of the Eddie Murphy HBO special “Raw” from the 80′s.

Google references to this it is hilarious and right on the mark. Even before IMBRA allows any female you bring here to get automatic citizenship by crying “Abuse”.

He talked about wanting to find a woman on a riding a zebra in Africa for marriage. But within a short time, after spending time in the ladies room in the US she would be wanting “Half”, that’s right half, at the urging of her American female friends.

So this is nothing new.

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sorin October 8, 2010 at 16:06

When I read of accounts of women of olden days, I’m often struck by the well-rounded education many of them received; they could read, write, and speak with eloquence (and in other languages as well), studied history, literature, and the Bible, could play an instrument and dance, they knew the culinary arts and could keep house, raise children, entertain guests, and on top of that, had virtue and modesty. Of course, not all women did these things, but these traits were considered laudable. The way feminists talk, you’d think women did nothing but sweep floors and suffer to be raped by their brute of husband they were forced to marry.

For all their degrees, today’s women are dumb as bricks. They have rejected ‘weak’ feminine virtues in favor of masculine vices, imagining themselves to be empowered by them. Modern western woman considers herself liberated- but from what? Family, marriage, motherhood, chastity, beauty, modesty; those horror of horrors! There has never been a more miserable generation of women, yet it seems they would rather have their misery a hundred times over than trade it for their natural, submissive role as wives and mothers under a patriarchal system.

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Lord Viktor October 8, 2010 at 16:10

Uh, I agree with your article except for one point.

Cinderally was actually abused by her stepmother. The wicked stepmother put Cinderalla to work not as a way to prevent her from becoming some kind of “Sex and The City” entitlement princess but to inflict anguish and misery upon her.

How do I know?

Well, let’s not forget, the stepmother had two biological daughters of her own, both of whom were exempt from all work and house chores. Both were free to do whatever the hell they wanted and to verbally abuse and debase Cinderella to their hearts’ content.

The stepmother was no Thomas Jefferson, nor was she anything like the dwarves. She was an evil, tyrannical sadist who lorded over her stepdaughter, heaping her with nothing but burdens while indulging her own daughters with benefits.

Cinderella had a damned good reason to bitch and moan about her lot. It wasn’t arrogance or conceit that made her lament the unfair burden she was forced to shoulder, it was her sense of justice. She was being horribly wronged and she knew it.

It’s one thing to have a woman to do housework, it is an entirely different matter to work her to death without respite while all the other girls live like a queen. I mean, c’mon! Give the poor girl a break!

And you’d be mad as hell if you were in Cinderella’s position, too. Frankly, I’m surprised Cinderella didn’t erupt into a raging volcano of righteous fury, but I guess it was because she was too much of a sweet heart to do so.

Cinderella was actually very nice when you think about it.

And the thing is, she wasn’t even an an entitlement princess like you seem to imply. Cinderella never even dreamed about being a princess (unlike so many Western women today), she just happened to stumble into the position by dint her of her beauty and her fairy godmother.

To be honest with you, I actually like Cinderella far more than most Western women today. As a matter of fact, I like most of the Disney Princesses far more than Western women today.

At least the DPs were nice to their men.

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Herbal Essence October 8, 2010 at 16:17

W.F. Price has always struck me as one of the kinder, gentler voices, but here he’s delivered an articulate, well-reasoned, and searing op-ed. I could spring off many points but this stood out to me-

“As for the Christian preachers out there who say that all you have to do to obtain and keep a wife is provide and be godly, they are liars and fools who pervert the message of their professed religion. ”

Christianity has many sins to answer for, but this is near the top of their worst crimes. Any man who comes even close to the tentacles of the modern Church is going to be confronted with constant male-shaming, female-pedestalizing propaganda.
A Churchgoing man is under constant pressure, both from society at large and his religion, to sacrifice himself to some woman. Even worse, the Church holds women to few standards of conduct as long as they shout “Hosannah” on Sunday and promise to vote Republican. When their family is a success, the woman gets the praise for wifely and motherly talents. When the family hits a rough patch, the husband is blamed for not exercising godly leadership.

Overall, great essay. The marriage strike comes naturally to me because I avoid women as a rule and I’ve never wanted children. But I can empathize why these hard truths would be discouraging to a family-minded man. Not sure there’s any easy answers to that problem.

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Snark October 8, 2010 at 16:19

@ Steve,

I agree with almost all you said.

But,

Often a man will not want to be in charge, but other men will decide who has the best skills, leadership ability and knowledge (democracy). Thus a reluctant leader will step up when he is chosen (elected). Of course sometimes an asshole (dictator) assumes control but doesnt know his butt from a hot rock.

Do you really think that democracy will always yield the most capable leaders? Surely the possession of the best skills, ability and knowledge is not contingent upon the number of votes cast in one’s favour. I know this is beside your main point, which itself was sound.

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Omnipitron October 8, 2010 at 16:20

Just two things to say;

One of the things that have struck me pretty hard about these fairy tales is this concept, which only hit me this year.

The brave and noble prince, knight, king, soldier, braved life and limb to kill the wretched witch, dragon, black knight, evil force, to save the what? The nagging, ugly, entitled troll?

Nope.

The beautiful and fair princess.

So many women DEMAND the prince charming, and are doing NOTHING to make it worth his while, yet wondering why he isnt motivated to do so or where he may be.

One more thing;

I have a friend at work that is 5 years younger than me and single at the moment. He is a beta but he does get alpha type girls nowadays and fairly regularly. From what he tells me, he is using a fair amount of game although he doesnt know that he is doing it. The crazy thing about this dude is that anything I read about on the manosphere and tell him, he already knows to a fair degree without even going to one site.

Then he told me about his parents; his dad is THE MAN and he is the head of his household as my bud was growing up, still is in fact. His dad isnt afraid of laying down the law when the situation calls for it.

Any wonder why Feminism uses a fair bit of propaganda to eliminate male role models from mens lives? Men dont know how to treat a true wife, and where did that come from do you think?

Learn it.

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Paradoxotaur October 8, 2010 at 16:26

“Half, thats right half”

I think we’re doing a disservice to our younger brothers when we repeat this outdated lie. It’s not half. Not today. It’s more like 70-80%. What I see being common is the female getting sole or essentially sole custody of the children (her’s for the asking), the house and everything in it- the appliances, kitchenware, the bookshelf and all the books. I know men that have been ejected with basically a gym bag of clothes. And an obligation to keep turning over the fruits of his labor to his ex-wife.

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Omnipitron October 8, 2010 at 16:29

Women, I suspect, like to serve men as wives if they look up to the man. Nobody likes to be subordinated in any way to a fool.

IMO, women want men to take charge. They marry up in as many ways avaiable to them, physically and in other ways. If they have to be the lead, then they instinctively know that you are beneath them and therefore yearn for the one who will lead.

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DirkJohanson October 8, 2010 at 16:34

@SingleDad

To add to what I earlier wrote, and to what SingleDad wrote, someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m under the impression that mail order brides pretty much hit the ground shopping when they get here now.

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SingleDad October 8, 2010 at 16:36

@ Paradoxotour

I stand corrected. You are absolutely correct it is much more than half. And if you have children it is your heart and soul.

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J. Durden October 8, 2010 at 16:37

After dealing with the shock of realizing that there aren’t any wives left, life actually starts to look up for young men. Being married is expensive (exponentially more so with children) and time-consuming. As a bachelor, I’ve always had way more than enough money to do whatever it was I fancied (even when I was working as a high school drop out), and if the desire for female company ever strikes there’s always Game.

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intp October 8, 2010 at 16:42

Was turning women and children against men a vital prerequisite for feminism to succeed? For example, the endless drumbeat that men are predators and perverts, played in the media, relentlessly parroted by women and children.

Normally men will fight threats. But the male defensive reflex is borne of protecting women and children from danger, with the man’s concern for his own personal welfare a distant second. It was common for men to be willing to die to protect their families (their kingdoms) from threats.

But what if the people he is charged to protect, women and children, mock him, scorn him, and spit in his face at every turn? Beaten down by a neverending flurry of soft fists (over the past 40 years) wouldn’t he give up?

And isn’t that precisely the reaction the Franklin School social engineers (cultural Marxists) wanted? Their Long March through our cultural institutions became a cakewalk after employing their puppets, women in particular, to assault, humiliate, and totally demoralize men to the point men offered no resistance to the Marxist coup against Western civilization.

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Omnipitron October 8, 2010 at 16:57

I noticed this in my teens, I wondered why all fiction ended with the couple at the altar. I thought at that time that it was purposeful planting of the idea that the actual marriage itself was drudgery

Happily Ever After I think are three of the most evil words in the current vocabulary. It sets women up to think that the hard part is now over in terms of marriage and they can now cruise for the remainder of their lives.

Marriages are work, hard work which takes effort but well worth it for those who realize what it actually means. Most current woman face this task and think that they have made a mistake.

The modern media also feeds into this with romance porn so if an LTR feels like work to a woman and not an eternal date, then obviously the wrong man has been wed.

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crella October 8, 2010 at 17:03

‘Was turning women and children against men a vital prerequisite for feminism to succeed? ‘

Yes, of course, because naturally little boys emulate their Dads, and little girls want to please them. We’re born into this world to love each other and will, without interference and poisoning. You can’t tip the balance without making the sexes hate each other, or at least make one have nothing but utter contempt for the other.

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saige October 8, 2010 at 17:04

Appliances and mod cons rendered housewifery redundant.

Washing machines, vacuums, gas/electric stoves, dishwashers, driers, fridges, fast/frozen food have all made house life simple, affordable and easy for men.

Women aren’t needed to do these things anymore. Housewifery in the 21st century is a lifelong holiday for women more so than it ever was in the past.
Where once home duties would have taken women some time to carry out over the course of a day, today they can be done in under an hour.

The modern housewife is an overt parasite And less of symbiont like her classical counterpart.

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crella October 8, 2010 at 17:05

(posted too soon…)

The first step to war is to convince people that the other side is less than human, isn’t it? ‘Not like us’ ‘Not as good as us’.

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Dalrock October 8, 2010 at 17:07

As I’ve mentioned on my own blog, my wife was raised on the original Brothers Grimm tales. Their version of Cinderella for example is not a singsong happy go lucky tale. She works tirelessly and without complaint. As with so many Grimm tales, it is her hard work which redeems her. As for the two step sisters, I won’t spoil the story but their fates are nothing like what would happen in a Disney tale.

There is another Grimm tale where a young woman is rewarded with gold coins coming out of her mouth after a year of backbreaking housework for a nymph. Her stepsister decides she’ll try the same thing but only works half assed. Her reward at the end of a year is to have toads come out of her mouth whenever she speaks.

These are the stories we will raise our daughter and son with.

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SingleDad October 8, 2010 at 17:19

I once saw a TV documentary regarding feminism in Sweden. In part they interviewed a prominent female politician.

She said that in Sweden men and women had it all worked out, except what to do about the children.

She stated that since women bore the children they should have dibs.

In my opinion, this is a pretty weak argument. Eventually, with this thinking shared parenting would result.

I think American feminist thinkers decided to pre-empt that. This, in my opinion is the reason for the demonizing of men and the galloping parental alienation that is occurring in the US.

If men didn’t really care about custody and children didn’t love their dads this demonizing of men would be unnecessary.

It is conservative women, the ones that still want complete control of the children that is driving this currently.

Read Glenn Sacks today and the diatribe in the Huffington post regarding a state supreme court giving a dad custody of his kid over an adoptive family.

The conservative feminists are livid.

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Keyster October 8, 2010 at 17:24

Was turning women and children against men a vital prerequisite for feminism to succeed?

It was one prong in a four pronged attack.

1) The BIG LIE, that life was hell for women in post WWII America and that non-feminst women had no hope of living meaningful lives or of achieving fulfillment.

2) The Amity-Enmity Principle, to condem men while portraying women as their victims so as to build distrust and enmity toward men, among women. This was done to motivate women and unite them against men, while instilling guilt and self-doubt in men.

3) Capture the mass media system to overwhelm and control as many sources of influence as possible to voice their view points without rebuttle.

4) Capture academia, especially the social sciences, and generate biased study after biased study, lending support and credibility to feminist ideology. Use Political Correctness to silence dissent on campuses.

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Thag Jones October 8, 2010 at 17:41

Dalrock, there is a new translation of the Grimm Tales out, if you’re interested.

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Hestia October 8, 2010 at 17:51

@Dalrock- I was going to mention something similar about the original Brothers Grimm stories. All of the original fairy tales used by Disney, whether they be Grimms’ or others, are quite different from what their modern cleaned-up form. Many were quite gruesome and dark and all provided interesting glimpses into the human psyche.

“Snow White” provides an interesting look into the world of female envy. The good mother turns into the wicked stepmother just as Snow White blossoms into a youthful beauty. The wicked stepmother, blinded with envy, orders the young girl killed. If you look at the kill order as symbolic, this is art imitating life in many instances. Older women are often envious of the sexual power of young women, even between mothers and daughters.

Like your wife, I was also raised on the original tales. At different points in my life each fairly tale has conveyed a different moral message and meaning depending on maturity and season of life. We’ve already begun to introduce our young daughter to the “real deal” and hope she may gain the similar insight through these works as well.

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Laura Grace Robins October 8, 2010 at 18:11

This is excellent! I have this theory that for men, the breakup of a relationship/marriage or lack of finding a wife is a much harder blow than it is for women, because God commanded women to be a man’s help mate. I think deep down men know women are meant to help them in just the way you described,” Above all else, she is devoted to the family, and will sacrifice time, effort and even desire to hold it together. In short, she is the complementary image of a husband, with whom she cooperates in furtherance of this family ideal.” When a man can’t find such a woman or such a woman leaves him, he is left with deep betrayal. A sense of betrayal that a woman can never know, because her husband was not commanded to be of help in just the same way. God did not command men to be a woman’s help meet. Religious or not, men know this isn’t how it is supposed to be.

Now modern women will whine away…..”what about women who have bad husbands, whose husbands leave them, she will feel betrayed too!” Yes, but not in the same way. I would call it more of a surface betrayal, not a spiritual one. Surface betrayal you eventually get over, the deeper kind, the kind that can come from the damage women cause by disobeying their command to be a help meet, leaves permanent scars.

“Wives are made, not born. Just as a wild mustang colt must be broken to the saddle, so must a woman be broken to wifely duties from childhood. And how is the woman-child made into a wife?”

I really like this. A woman has to be raised from day one with the full intent that she will be a wife. Even if she never marries, the wifely qualities she learns, certainly won’t hurt her in life. In fact, she will probably be like Snow White and help men in general….and perhaps that is the great fear–that if women were raised to be wives they would be kind and good toward men. Raising a wife instead of a daughter should be what is strived for. Instead, we raise daughters which are really empty shells to be filled with what the world dictates; such as feminism. If you don’t stand for something, you fall for anything. If women aren’t raised to be wives, they too will fall for anything.


“As for the Christian preachers out there who say that all you have to do to obtain and keep a wife is provide and be godly, they are liars and fools who pervert the message of their professed religion.”

I agree. Wive don’t just need providers, but washers.

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David Collard October 8, 2010 at 18:11

Paradoxataur

Absolutely true. Watch what she does, not what she says. I had an instance of this today. My wife said “I have bought two pairs of jeans, and I am going to wear them!”. I have told her I want her to wear skirts and dresses only, and she always does (except when she goes to the gym). I told her to show the jeans to me (they don’t exist, of course.) She then had a tantrum about my attitude. But when she went out, she was wearing a skirt.

Nobody likes to obey another human being, or even comply with his wishes. Women will always complain about following their husbands. The only really important question is: does she actually do what you want her to do? Nothing else matters.

I had a fiancee once who seemed like a real little lady. Problem was she never did what I asked her to do. Never. Eventually, I realised that she never would – and I dumped her.

Watch what she DOES, not what she says or how she looks.

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Malestrom October 8, 2010 at 18:23

”So there we have it: there are no more wives, only brides; no more marriages, only weddings.”

That’s gold right there.

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Alte October 8, 2010 at 18:36

Dalrock,

We also have the original collection of the tales, and they are much better. And more gruesome, which makes them more fun for boys. A lot of us seem odd to us now, but they were often political in nature or based upon pagan myths. They come from my native region, so I like to think I’m passing on a bit of Heimat by sharing the stories with my children.

In the original Grimm Fairy Tales, the German text always ends with “Und wenn sie nicht gestorben sind, dann leben sie noch heute.” That translates roughly to: And if they have not died, then they are still alive today.” No mention of eternal happiness (which was something people in that time never expected) just an attempt to make the tale seem contemporary. Disney has resulted into it being changed into: “Und sie lebten glcklich miteinander bis ans Ende ihrer Tage.” or “Happily ever after.” But you can still see the original text in the older versions.

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Thag Jones October 8, 2010 at 18:44

Also with the Grimm stories, the step-mother became a stand-in for the mother, as it says in the review I posted a link to, in order to preserve the sanctity of motherhood. If you read them thinking that it’s the mother, you also get a window into the way mothers can be incredibly destructive to their children. There really isn’t an analogous tale for fathers that I can think of.

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rob October 8, 2010 at 19:00

Actually, the step-mother archetype is illustrative of the nature of… wait for it… step-mothers!

Some of the most vicious females on earth are step-mothers, and if you stand back for a moment, you will see it all around you.

Step-mothers are being “anti-nature” just as much as a putz marrying a single mother – committing genetic suicide by spending her time and resources on someone else’s progeny.

The evil stepmother archetype derives from humanity. Have a look around you at second wives (many are step moms). Do any of these women feel any guilt about harming the step-children upon the second divorce? Do they lament about missing the little tykes in their lives? Do they treat them differently than their own biological children?

I have been appalled at the behaviour of stepmothers on several occasions – especially during/after divorce – mostly for the complete callousness they show to their step-wards, while their own brood are huddled safely under bio-mama’s wing.

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rob October 8, 2010 at 19:15

When you think about it, it only makes sense.

We all know, in the case of step-fathers/boyfriends, that this is where the majority of male inspired abuse/sexual abuse etc. comes from – not from the biological father, who is by a factor of several times, less likely to commit such offenses as anyone else.

Has there even been a study done on Step Moms?

Women, after all, are the majority perpetrators of physical child abuse, and physical aggression is not even the female’s main weapon, Social/Relational Aggression is. (Psychological Abuse/Emotional Terrorism).

I suspect that if such a study were done, given that step-fathers and boyfriends are multiple times higher to abuse than biological fathers, that step-mothers would also be shown to exhibit significantly higher amounts of “female styled abuse” than biological mothers.

Or, we could just rely on the archetype of the evil Step Mother that has existed throughout humanity’s timeframe, and rely upon the obvious wisdom of the ancients.

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Clydesdale October 8, 2010 at 19:18

Welmer,

You are a great writer. You are a clear thinker. You see beyond the charade and grasp what’s going on. And you are doing a great service by maintaining this site and provoking thought.

But you are still a relatively young man who’s been badly burned by the system in general and women in particular. I sense in this post a kind of surrender. I hope I’m wrong.

What you say about getting married being more important than being married is, for most women, true. And we all know what the statistics say and are familiar with what “family” courts can do to us. But it is men — not women and children — who, in this world, are charged with facing the truth, confronting problems head-on, and providing solutions. The current problems we face are merely the latest in a series men have been facing since saber-tooth tigers first appeared at the mouth of the cave.

The key to our freedom is largely in our hands. We just have to use it. What does this mean in practical terms? Well, let’s see.

For starters, don’t reward sluts and sleazeoids with commitment and marriage. Have and demand standards. The male desire for a virginal wife has existed for millenia and resides deep in the hypothalamus. Embrace it, don’t hide it. Challenge any feminist or mangina who tells you otherwise. Don’t be shy about letting an undeserving woman know you’ll screw her, but never marry her. Mean it. The smart ones might get the message while still young enough to do something about it.

Don’t reward politicians who offer your resources to buy votes from women. The average politician wouldn’t last two seconds in a physical fight without the police and secret service there to protect him. They need you more than you need them.

Don’t shirk jury duty. Play the game to get selected (“Of course I will follow all instructions given by the judge, blah blah blah”) then do what is right. There is a reason the right to jury trials appears in the Constitution. And there is a reason judges and prosecutors hate it.

Warn your sons how things work and dispel any notion they may have that women are somehow weaker, gentler, kinder and generally more honest. Pussy is a powerful force that clouds clear thinking. Justice, honor, morality, law and even religion itself are concepts conceived and developed by men. Learn history, don’t dismiss the great thinkers of the past as “old, dead, white guys” and understand that real truth is eternal. Whatever problems we face today existed in the past and were solved by the men of their time. The answers are out there.

This is by no means an exhaustive list, or even a practical one. Nor should you permit yourself to get raped both emotionally and financially by a rotten system. The risks you identify are very real. I don’t dismiss them.

But to simply say the normal desire for a wife in the true sense of the word and to build a real family of your own is now an impossible fairy tale is, I think, to give up.

Women are the ones who think in terms of safety and security. Men crossed oceans in leaky boats, threw wooden spears at mammoths and dreamed of landing on the Moon. Those at Thermopylae knew they were grossly outnumbered, faced impossible odds, but said “screw it” and went into battle anyway. There’s something we can learn from them as well.

The old system that once served us well was built by men. We can do so again.

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Thag Jones October 8, 2010 at 19:25

Good point, Rob. But what about adoptive parents? They both put all their effort into someone else’s progeny though, so perhaps being in the same boat changes it?

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Orecret October 8, 2010 at 19:26

Unfortunately, I agree with you, W.F. I’ve always wanted a traditional family, wife and kids, dog… the whole nine yards… But the pragmatist in me sees the bad deal that Marriage 2.0 is for men.

That hasn’t stopped my desire to have women and kids in my life, however. My solution is to bring back contractual terms to the relationships that I have with the women in my life and split up the traditional wifely duties amongst a handful of female partners.

Thus:

A HELPMEET to help out around the house and the homestead. In exchange, she will receive room and board in my house. We will sign a contract outlining what is expected of each party. If she doesn’t earn her keep, she’s out. No legal mess for me. No loss of all of my assets, my reputation, etc.
A SURROGATE MOTHER to carry my kids (the result of in vitro and a donor egg). I believe this is legal in this country and will cost about $100K. It sounds expensive, but is a lot cheaper than Marriage 2.0 and the consequent divorce and loss of all of my assets, my reputation, etc. This of course will all be done under contract. If the donor egg mother is willing to be a part of the kids life that is fine with me. However, she and I will never get intimately involved in any way. We will therefore be more likely to get along, which would be much better for the kids if mommy and daddy didn’t fight… and that situation would also likely thwart the Parental Alienation Syndrome that victimizes so many men and their children. The big plus here is that I would have the legal rights to my kids and I would be allowed to raise them (the ability to raise my kids being the only reason that I would get married – after all, I can get everything else I want from women outside of the broken institution of marriage).
A CONCUBINE. An oral contract for the short term. A man knows what he is getting that way. The woman on the other hand is eager to make the trade. I could get a new “girlfriend” every week if I wanted to… but, I would likely stick to a handful of regulars and high-class ones at that so as to minimize the risk of STD’s. Regular testing and proof thereof would be required… as would be good behavior (unless my particular fetish that visit required some less lady like behavior – she’s not my wife after all…).
A PERSONAL ASSISTANT. Ideally, my wife would be helping me with running the family business. In her absence, though, I am willing to hire a personal assistant, under contract, to help me meet my excessive ambitions… ( I recommend a P.A. to all men of any significant ambition… let her jockey the desk while you are out growing the business and producing the product or service, etc.)

I might need a nursemaid, a nanny, a tutor, etc. (I intend to work out of the home and school my own children until high school)… but, you now get my drift… (I love ellipses…)

The point is that the wifely duties are spread out amongst a handful of women and under contract. I still have to be wary of false rape accusations and other false accusations, like harrassment, discrimination, etc. but at least I will be in the driver’s seat instead of under the wheels of the car that the ex- would otherwise be driving…

Last, but not least, were I actually to find a woman I could love AND RESPECT, I WOULD *NEVER* LEGALLY MARRY HER. I would dedicate myself to her and give her some unbinding spritual ceremony of the type that the ancient Romans used to practice, but I am no longer willing to risk all of my rights by signing a marriage contract with a woman. I would never have kids by her either and give up my reproductive rights (every sperm is sacred, after all, especially when it could end up costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in a failed marriage, divorce settlement, excessive alimony, child support, character assassination, broken heart, the inability to raise or even see your kids on a daily basis…). And though I live in California, where there is no common law marriage nor palimony, I would never allow her to move in with me – it’s not worth the risk that she takes control of my life. Lastly, good behavior would be an absolute requirement. Otherwise, she is unceremoniously dumped from my life with little explanation other than that she wasn’t good for me. (She’ll know what I’m talkin’ about – I’ll make sure of that up front, or, no soup for her…)

I know that some of you might object regarding the expense, but if you compare the costs above to the costs of Marriage 2.0, you’ll find that my plan as outlined above is far more cost effective… especially when one considers all the damage that a modern marriage can do to a man…

Enough pontificating… someday I hope to expand these ideas to a full length article. In the meantime, gentlemen, chew on these ideas for a while…

It’s time we men took back control of our lives.

With regrets, but sincerely… Orecret

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Traveller October 8, 2010 at 19:36

Anonymous October 8, 2010 at 18:17

It is me, just to be precise.
I forgot to write the nickname.

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Gunn October 8, 2010 at 19:36

@Clydesdale

I can see where you’re coming from, and I also have to say that this is one of the darkest posts I’ve seen from Welmer on this site (and I’ve been lurking here almost from the start of this website).

However, there comes a point when the only thing left is to walk away from a situation.

And Welmer is spot on with his recommendation to young men: the game is so stacked against men in the west now, that the only rational course of action is to not get married, and in fact not do anything that ties you into the family law system.

The message going out needs to be as stark as in this article for the simple reason that many young men will simply not listen otherwise (and many won’t listen to it regardless). A secondary benefit is that when the message is this stark, those few women out there that are able to think beyond the sisterhood are more likely to realise the absolute seriousness of our predicament in the west, and that if anything is to be salvaged, the action has to be immediate and decisive. Even then it may not work, but softening the message just makes it more likely that we will pass the point of no return (assuming that we haven’t already done so).

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rob October 8, 2010 at 19:44

Good point, Rob. But what about adoptive parents? They both put all their effort into someone elses progeny though, so perhaps being in the same boat changes it? — Thag Jones

I’ve thought about this before too, and I think it has to do with most adoptive parents not being able to have any children that are their own. That is the deal breaker, I think – your own flesh and blood over that of another’s.

It’s not always that it has to be mean and abusive either – but something is still there.

I know a family, with the parent’s of my own parent’s age (mid 70′s), who have done the step mother thing without divorce etc. The first mother died after four children, father remarried and had two more children – and while I’m certain that in this truly God-fearing family, there was no infidelity bullshit and whatnot else going on, I also fully understand that this family has an entirely different dynamic than most – and it is based on the four older children of the first mother, against the two younger children of the second.

I also know of another family in which the father was made sterile by medication for kidney disease – or something along those lines – his wife desperately wanted children, so they went the foster parent route and took on OODLES of them over the years… and adopted 3 of them.

As time went on, medicine also advanced, and he became able to have children after they had already adopted the three.

They still have the three adopted kids, plus usually two or three foster kids… plus two of their own biological kids now, since medicine cured their infertility.

This is a good family in so many ways, I feel bad saying it… but yes, I do note that the two bio-kids are treated differently/favourably.

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Clydesdale October 8, 2010 at 20:06

@ Gunn,

I don’t disagree and think we may even be saying the same things.

I most certainly do not think young men should take chances either with the current crop of available women or the existing legal system. Russian Roulette is a saner pastime. Hence my recommendation not to make commitments to sluts and to tell them exactly and honestly why.

Recognizing that the game at this particular casino is rigged and refusing to play there makes total sense. But it doesn’t mean there is absolutely no chance for an honest game somewhere. That’s the point.

I guess the key resides in the small, but important difference between “improbable” and “impossible.”

By comparison, I’m an older man who has been very lucky so far in marriage. But I fully understand the realities faced by young men in today’s world, in this country (I have two unmarried early 20s sons). I guess I’m still enough of a dreamer not to abandon all hope just yet, and am a bit saddened to see young guys do so while most of their lives are still ahead of them.

I’ll shut up now and go back to lurking.

Cheers.

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Dalrock October 8, 2010 at 20:08

Beautiful post Clydesdale, especially the last paragraph.

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Keyster October 8, 2010 at 20:13

The message going out needs to be as stark as in this article for the simple reason that many young men will simply not listen otherwise (and many wont listen to it regardless).

It’s extremely difficult to process some truths, especially after years of being subliminally programmed to think otherwise throughout your life. It’s heart wrenching and painful to have these learned ideals stripped from your conscious. It’s better it come from someone who’s been through it, then learning it on their own. There are so many disenfranchised, disenchanted young men out there suffering for no reason. They need to know its not their fault.

Women will come crawling back to men when their own survival depends on it and not before; when governments can’t be relied on to keep them safe. I hope by then there will still be some men that will protect them.

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Dalrock October 8, 2010 at 20:17

@Clydesdale
Just to clarify, my last comment was relating to this comment of yours.

I think the question of whether a man should still marry under the current rules is a very difficult one. I also advise it if one is extremely careful in picking a wife, but I also would not fault a man who felt it wasn’t worth the risk. Any more a man is on his own; law, social custom, and the church aren’t on the side of marriage any more. So the ability to honor the commitment must come from the woman herself if it is to come from anywhere. As the article points out, the required qualities are harder to find now than in the past, just when we need them the most.

On the other hand, very few men have figured this out yet. We all know men who fell for the slut or the feminist harpy because they wanted to believe. This is to the advantage of a man who is grounded in reality and has his eyes open.

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Herbal Essence October 8, 2010 at 20:22

Keyster-”Women will come crawling back to men when their own survival depends on it and not before; when governments cant be relied on to keep them safe. I hope by then there will still be some men that will protect them.”

You’re kinder than I. I want to see them reap the consequences. The sad thing is, the “radical feminist” types from the 20th century will probably be long gone by then.

“The sins of the mother blossom in the children.” -Frank Herbert

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Rebel October 8, 2010 at 21:23

I think that we should be celebrating the death of the “wife” because it gives us men the freedom that we are craving for.

And is not the MGTOW concept about the repudiation of marriage?

So, isn’t the death of the wife the one thing we wanted?

There will remain the problem of children..

How will children be conceived? Will women accept artificial insemination and assume the entire responsibility to raise the next generations of humans?

Of course, if fatherhood gets abolished (as it does now), men will no longer be interested in fathering children. (I see this a lot where I live).

Women are going to have to take the world upon their shoulders: will they be able to perform that huge task?

And can we trust them that they will?

If the answer to each of those questions is “yes”, then we should relax and make our lives easy and comfortable.

Things are never as bad as they seem..

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Kathy October 8, 2010 at 22:19

“We also have the original collection of the tales, and they are much better. ”

I have a copy of Grimms Fairy Tales dating back to the early fifties, Alte. I used to read them to my daughter when she was younger, along with stories of the lives of ” The saints.”

The Grimm bothers were were most definitely prescient when it came to women.
“The Fisherman And His Wife,” is a tale about a nagging wife who is never satisfied and is always looking for bigger and better things.. ( sound familiar?)

Unfortunately I cannot find a link to a copy of the original story, that I have in my book.

The newer version has been sanitized and a bastardized and lacks impact.

For instance, this little poem uttered by the poor Fisherman through out the story, is no longer in modern versions of the story.

“O man of the sea!
Come listen to me,
For Alice my wife,
The plague of my life,
Hath sent me to beg a boon of thee!”

The more things change the more they stay the same. :)

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CM October 8, 2010 at 22:27

Interesting… I don’t see anything “misogynistic” in Jefferson’s writings – how ridiculous. That said I was totally unaware of the previous social cultivation of honorable wives. No wonder marriage is in decline. Too bad. The women of the past were far superior human beings than the licentious whores of today. I’ve always wondered why feminism is so wrong headed – that if they truly cared about women – why wouldn’t they give them virtues instead of vices? One of those mysteries.

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Dubcik October 9, 2010 at 00:15

My mother was a very unhappy wife. In the late 60′s and 70′s she was told by feminist thugs that being a housewife, raising kids and not working was a waste of her life. Unfortunately, she bought into it, and was mad most of our years growing up. The thing that stuck out most that she said to us 4 kids was “never get married, never have kids”.

We complied. Only one of us is formally married. I was aked by 5 boyfriends to marry them. As soon as they asked, I ran for the hills, I did NOT want to end up like my mother (and poor father), and the thought of a wedding made me cringe. It took a long time for me to realize she was wrong, and that, although I didn’t care about marriage, I liked stable relationships and kids.

I am now with my “husband”, who tells me I am a great “wife”. I enjoy all the little things that my mother missed by being angry. Sometimes the best role models tell us what NOT to do. The funny thing is, I think my mother finally understands the bullcrap she was fed by the feminist machine. She loves her grandkids and the relationship between my parents is better.

It’s one of the reasons I come to this site. I’ve seen first hand what feminist indoctrination can do to vulnerable women. If she had been told being a wife/homemaker/mother was of value, would she have had a happier life? I think she would have.

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John T. October 9, 2010 at 01:07

It has been a long time since I saw feminism as anything but another avenue of attack on dominant culture. I doubt very seriously that the intent was ever the betterment of women. In fact, as a former criminal investigator and street officer I have observed the deadly effects of feminism on women. Many women feel that they are entitled to browbeat, berate, and abuse men without consequences. By rule of law they would be right. By law of nature they often only realize their folly too late. Again and again I have seen this. The couple that has 5 or 10 domestic disturbance calls then one final call.
These aren’t the “burning bed” women. Those women don’t call the police. When that abuse comes to light it is usually a third party that makes the call. The most common is the dysfunctional couple that argue to a fever pitch until the guy has had enough. Often he will try to leave for awhile and she trys to block is exit, as she has not felt adequately satisfied with his level of torment. He removes her from his path, and she calls when he is gone citing that he has attacked her and is out on the road. A very common occurance. On the occasions when we arrive to find both at the home the male will be relatively calm while the female is hysterical or playing hard on the victim card. With the “imminent fear” standard in place women have learned to exploit this feature of the domestic abuse law. I taught rookie officers how to properly make the woman tip her hand to see if she was really in fear. Simply enough, you casually isolate the two parties and tell her that he will not be arrested on this occasion. When they are faking it, the fear act dissolves and you see who the aggressor really is. Not only will she aggress against the male partner but also at the officers. The scorned woman has zero control over her emotions in most cases. Her will be done or damn you all to hell. I can recall a couple of instances where we had visited a house on numerous occasions to witness this scenario. The male usually resigned to his fate, in full realization that the deck is stacked heavily against him, will be cooperative but full of frustration. Economics and children keep him from leaving this absurd situation, just as it does for many abused women. But then we get that call where this docile domesticated dog has been kicked one time too many and the she wolf has had her brains bashed in with some weapon of opportunity. Never before has she worn so much as a control mark, but apparently he came to the conclusion that he was the strongest mammal in the den and decided not to have his serenity fucked with any longer. Unfortunate for all involved, but easily avoidable if only the expectations of women were modeled on a more cooperative paradigm from the start.

I am not saying this is all cases but easily a third of them bear strong likeness to what I describe. It is far more common that what most people think.

It is easy to Monday moring quarterback a person in that situation and say that he should have just left. The most sympathetic will say”yes it would have been hard, but wouldn’t it be better than prison?” Try to be in that moment. Try to experience months or years of being subject to the whims of an irrational control freak who operates with impunity. Try to see through the realization that your tormentor will still hold the reigns on your life as they are awarded by the court without taking once into account what you have endured without cause or reason. The only path left to defy the powers that have emasculated you is to kill their beneficiary. Children are made orphans, lives are ruined and lost. Society is further destabilized. Objective attained.

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greyghost October 9, 2010 at 02:18

A liitle late to the party but I will say very nice article Welmer. You seem like one of those guys that realy looks at things and came the same dark conclusion that a lot of men have. There is nothing there. I’m a super beta wife ,kids ,big comfortable house dog etc. The reality of marriage 2.0 is more than can be imagined. There is no wife not any more.
I know with out a doubt I will never be happily married. I knew it 3 years ago. I also have a 4 year old son. With out major action on our part from men there will be no wife for him. And that change seems very unlikely. So answer for is to spend the rest of my time facilitaty the ability of MGTOW.

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Lavazza October 9, 2010 at 03:20

Alte: That’s interesting. Swedish fairy tales can end in different ways, mostly neutral, but sometimes slightly optimistic or with a slight emphasis on realism:

“och s levde han/hon i vlstnd och lycka till sin dd” And he/she lived in providence and happiness until death

“och om de inte r dda, s lever de n i denna dag” And if they are not dead they are still living

“och efter alla sina motgngar fick de ntligen leva tillsammans i ostrd frid och lycka” And after all these setbacks they could finally live together in undisturbed peace and happiness

“och s var sagan all” And that was the end of the story

“och s vitt vi vet sitter de dr n idag” And as far as we know they are still sitting there

“och de levde lnge i frid och lycka” And they lived for long times in peace and happiness

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Lavazza October 9, 2010 at 03:32

Apparently the Grimm version is a cleaned up version of the originala as well:

“Als die Hochzeit mit dem Knigssohn sollte gehalten werden, kamen die falschen Schwestern, wollten sich einschmeicheln und teil an seinem Glck nehmen. Als die Brautleute nun zur Kirche gingen, war die lteste zur rechten, die Jngste zur linken Seite: da pickten die Tauben einer jeden das eine Auge aus. Hernach, als sie herausgingen, war die lteste zur linken und die Jngste zur rechten : da pickten die Tauben einer jeden das andere Auge aus. Und waren sie also fr ihre Bosheit und Falschheit mit Blindheit auf ihr Lebtag gestraft.”

The helping birds picks out the eyes of the step sisters so they become blind.

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David Collard October 9, 2010 at 05:26

Clydesdale

There are some good women who have found God and morality after a dissolute youth, but in general I would agree with you. Men should go back to expecting to marry virgins.

Some men obviously don’t mind, but it was crucial to me that my bride was a virgin. And I made damn sure she was.

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Gunn October 9, 2010 at 05:32

@Rebel,

Nice try. You sound more like a feminist or mangina than a MGTOW.

Most men, contrary to what you may think, never wanted to abandon the concept of marriage and family. Circumstances and the legal framework that is in place in the west is what is forcing this change of position. When family law deprives you of any and all reproductive and parental rights (no say in abortion, assumed mother custody, DV system rigged to believe that women are always the victims, police that automatically take the side of the woman, custodial arrangements not subject to enforcement for the man etc) then how can a man be expected to be a father?

MGTOW is a response to the changes that have happened, not the cause of them.

As to women running the world, and whether their shoulders are broad enough to do it. Simple answer? No.

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Simonsen October 9, 2010 at 05:38

While I agree that things have gotten much worse in recent decades, and that the degradation of American culture has been profound since the 1950s, above all in “gender relations”, we need to confront the painful fact that American culture has displayed gynocentric tendencies for generations.

As a foreign observer noted:
“The much-vaunted sex appeal of American women is drawn from films, reviews and pin-ups, and is in large print fictitious. A recent medical survey in the United States showed that 75 per cent of young American women are without strong sexual feeling and instead of satisfying their libido they seek pleasure narcissistically in exhibitionism, vanity and the cult of fitness and health in a sterile sense. American girls have ‘no hang-ups about sex’; they are ‘easy going’ for the man who sees the whole sexual process as something in isolation thereby making it uninteresting and matter-of-fact, which, at such a level, it is meant to be. Thus, after she has been taken to the cinema or a dance, it is something like American good manners for the girl to let herself be kissed – this doesn’t mean anything. American women are characteristically frigid and materialistic. The man who ‘has his way’ with an American girl is under a material obligation to her. The woman has granted a material favour. In cases of divorce American law overwhelmingly favours the woman. American women will divorce readily enough when they see a better bargain. It is frequently the case in America that a woman will be married to one man but already ‘engaged’ to a future husband, the man she plans to marry after a profitable divorce.”

That was Julius Evola, the noted Italian traditionalist philospher, who published the above, thereby nailing the awful American woman … in 1945.

I’m not totally despairing … yet. Like a lot of readers, I’ve been through the nightmare: wedding to an American harridan, followed (of course) by nagging, harrassing, then her leaving the marriage and taking the kids with her, whom she has kept despite her awful, even criminal, conduct. “Family” court, indeed. Tough years have followed, as they inevitably do, but I’ve come out the other side, with some lessons learned.

No American women, ever. No matter how attractive, no matter how together they seem, every last one of them – and the more “conservative” they seem usually the worse they are, certainly they are sanctimonious in the extreme – is contaminated and cannot be saved. Accept this. Move on.

So go the celibate route, nothing wrong with that, or get a foreign wife. It’s surely possible she will be contaminated by our revolting culture over time – don’t forget Eddie Murphy’s famous “Bush Bitch” skit in the 80s, which was too true – but if you choose carefully this is less likely.

I’ve found a lovely Eastern European woman, pretty, smart, entirely traditional, who basically hates American women, views them with utter contempt. Why? Because she gets them for what they are, and she has kept her own family’s values. Look at her family VERY closely – this is what you will get. In my gal’s case, dad is a true patriarch, of the kind not seen in the USA for decades: good-natured but a tad grumpy, authoritarian, and openly contemptuous of women doing anything but housework and cooking – he treats them as cute but clueless and needing male supervision 24/7.

This, of course, is exactly what my gal expects (and why, before me, she found American men clueless and pansified). And this is what I get. Her dad and I, of course, get along spendidly.

Best part? They’ve done very well since the fall of the wall, and now they are certifiably rich, even by American standards, so I got a substantial dowry (no, I am not making this up).

So, gents, don’t give up all hope yet, just be wise as serpents around The Enemy.

Evola thought long and hard about gender and traditional masculinity, and, a combat veteran of World War I, above all he embraced the idea of doing one’s duty, even when the odds are hopeless – he often cited the famed Roman sentry at Pompeii, who was found at his post, entombed as the volcano engulfed him, as he had not been relieved. Evola said the most important thing is “to remain on your feet in a world of ruins.”

Ditto.

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David Collard October 9, 2010 at 05:46

I spent hours in a hospital waiting room today. My daughter had hurt her back (nothing serious). I had nothing to read but women’s magazines, including Cleo, a sort of low-rent Cosmo for Australian girls, if you can imagine such a thing. I thought how perfectly it fitted the Manosphere stereotype, of empowering young women to go to the big city, screw around, have a purposeless “career” in their twenties, have a head full of celebrity crap and – most importantly – buy all the beauty products advertised in the magazine. Right at the end, there was an ad for vibrators (dildos really). I am not kidding. One was called the “G-spot Special” or some such name, and was in the shape of a dogleg or banana.

The best bit was the throwaway reference to how 1 in 8 Australians now has herpes. What they are really selling is a lifestyle that will give you an STD.

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Carnivore October 9, 2010 at 06:26

Little late here – excellent article and lots of good comments. I suspect, however, that many young men will not give up the search for a wife. Unfortunately, most men don’t know how to go about it – what to look for, what questions to ask or even where to look, for that matter – you’re not going to find the prize heifer in the pig sty. It’s a lot harder these days, because the things that will improve the odds – there never was a 100% guarantee, even in the old days – are not as automatic as they were 60 years ago and have to be learned.

Let’s not forget the other half of the equation either. Do young men today know how to be good husbands? No, because most buy into aspects of feminism – they are tainted by our decadent culture as women are. Try suggesting that women’s suffrage is bad or that hiring preferences should be for married men supporting a family, single men and lastly women, in that order. Or after they’re married, they are more than happy to hand over the reins of power and control to their wives (managing the finances, all major decisions and planning, etc.) because it’s easier then being the leader and, after all, men and women are equal, right?

Sixty years ago, it was easier because the society had the secular (laws, culture – entertainment, movies, music, etc.) and religious support. Sort of like rails upon which your average man and women were placed and which automatically guided them throughout life. That’s not saying proper behavior didn’t have to be taught – it did – but society provided the background support to reinforce the teaching. The tracks our society puts young people on today will lead them directly away from the possibility of a happy marriage.

Learning how to be a good husband or wife and knowing what, where and how to look for a spouse needs to be explicitly taught today, in addition to maintaining some level of isolation from the corruption, at least until a young person has his head on straight and is able to discern. A very difficult task indeed.

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Micah October 9, 2010 at 06:54

Bill, nice article. As the father of two young sons I’ve been struggling with what to teach them about marriage. My instinct at the moment is to emphasize the angle of a good marriage being extremely improbable but not impossible. In other words, keep extremely high standards, don’t settle for a woman just for the sake of meeting a social expectation (e.g. everyone gets married by age 32), keep your eye out for the very, very, very rare gem of a woman, but don’t get your hopes up and be prepared for a content and wonderfully simple life of MGTOW. Don’t make your value as a man conditional on the women in your life and develop as much skill (physical and intellectual) as possible.

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I Can Has Equality October 9, 2010 at 07:01

Great article. But I thought this issue was settled.

MARRIAGE IS RETIREMENT FOR WOMEN! It always has been and always will be. I guess the only difference from then and now is that women used to be good mothers and wives, or because of scarcity they had to bring something to bargain with to get men to support them. So whether rich or poor, she had to have some qualities to convince him to pay for her retirement.

One thing I think we need to do is not focus on reforming marriage within the state or any institution but instead focus on de-legitimizing marriage within the state.

Remember, women are the tool the state uses against men. -Paul Elam

With the female centric state, male freedoms are stripped away for female protections or security. I really hate most feminist arguments about privilege, but with state sponsored marriage maybe we should take a lesson from them.

The state privileges married couples over non married and single people in a legal and economic and political fashion. Why should some married persons pay less in taxes or have benefits bestowed on them by the state that are not given to me. Now I don’t want the state in my life or bedroom or house, so let’s focus on getting marriage taken out of the court and guvment. This should have the effect of limiting their control in custody and hopefully abolishing or reforming family courts.

This would be a good 101 article…Im stealing it from you bwahahahahaha.
http://icanhazequality.blogspot.com/2010/10/marriage-is-dead.html

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fugitive October 9, 2010 at 07:31

I just want to second what the guys said above. 50-50 is a myth. In a divorce the woman will get 100% or more or the lawyers will get 30% with her getting 70%. You will get nothing and are lucky if you get away without being massively in debt.

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Charles Martel October 9, 2010 at 07:33

@John T.

In fact, as a former criminal investigator and street officer I have observed the deadly effects of feminism on women. Many women feel that they are entitled to browbeat, berate, and abuse men without consequences.

That was a fascinating comment. I would like to see it expanded into a full length article. You have direct experience and write very well. I don’t mean to speak for Bill, but my guess is he would publish it.

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Christian October 9, 2010 at 07:44

Javier
Thank you so much for your comment Price, by the way just to clarify certain things you must be aware that the Faith alone doesnt save anyone, that would be heresy.

That’s not heresy, that’s Scripture.

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Anonymous Reader October 9, 2010 at 08:30

I find myself wondering how many couples in North America are unhappy because not only does the woman not know how to be a wife, but the man is without clue regarding how to be a husband. Welmer, you despair of having to run game to keep a wife happy, asserting that is not a marriage, but an extended date. It could be that you make this statement because you haven’t thought deeply enough about what being a husband entails.

I was present a while back when an older man and his wife were having lunch with some younger folks. The issue of robbery and terrorism in some shopping mall came up, and there was chatter about what to do. The older man said firmly, “No, that’s my job. And any man fit to join me. The women take the children and leave, the safest way the y are told.” What was interesting to me was the reaction of his wife and other women; they just beamed. Now, I know some MGTOW will regard this as slavery. But it’s the other side of the coin of being an alpha male; the alpah leads, others follow, and that’s that. He wasn’t blindly saying he’d just go and die for the entertainment of the ladies, he was saying that as the leader of his family, he’d fight because that’s his job, and leading the children out his his woman’s job, because that’s the job he’s given her.

Leadership is a subtle dance. I remember watching my parents actually dance, back when people held onto each other, and it looked effortless. There was no overt direction, he wasn’t jerking her around the floor, but it was obvious he was leading and she was following. The same thing in their marriage, he rarely raised his voice to anyone, but his “command presence” (Navy service and executive in an oil company) was such that I didn’t dare challenge him until I was 16 or older.

Being a husband, therefore, involves having that mailed fist, but with a velvet glove over it. Ideally, all the wife ever sees is the glove, but at some level she knows the armored fist is there.

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misterb October 9, 2010 at 08:43

According to my father. In marriage a wife has to submit to her husband. In loose translation, she has to yield to him no condition. And a man has to lead her.

In basic terms, when it came to marriage the woman is not her own creature anymore. She’s under her husband’s authority.

Of what my father and I observed, women had become evil creatures. saturated with selfishness and hatefulness.

I said this before, and for another repeat. Once a woman gets an abortion. She is all ready a murderer. Life to her is disposable. I saw the smirk of filthy harlot who wore a t-shirt that was written. “I had an abortion.”

If I dated a woman who had an abortion, I would throw her out of my residence. I would slap a restraining order on her, not to come within 3 miles around me. On grounds of her being violent.

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Keyster October 9, 2010 at 09:39

…but the man is without clue regarding how to be a husband.

I don’t think anyone would disagree that most young men today are as affected by feminist propaganda as the women. It’s not a marriage, it’s a “life partnership”; where he’s expected to do his “fair share” of house cleaning and cooking, even if he’s the primary breadwinner. He’s supposed to feel endlessly guilty for not contributing to household chores.

The natural balance of power in the male/female bond has been compromised by feminist culture. The more people come to terms with this reality, the sooner we can begin to correct it.

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Dalrock October 9, 2010 at 10:53

@Lavazza
Apparently the Grimm version is a cleaned up version of the originala as well:
…The helping birds picks out the eyes of the step sisters so they become blind.

I imagine there are different translations from the Grimm version in German. Also, the Grimm brothers weren’t the authors of the stories, they merely compiled oral tales into written form. It makes perfect sense that they would be very similar to tales told in neighboring countries. The version of Cinderella I shared on my blog has the same outcome:

When the wedding with the prince was to be held, the two false sisters came, wanting to gain favor with Cinderella and to share her good fortune. When the bridal couple walked into the church, the older sister walked on their right side and the younger on their left side, and the pigeons pecked out one eye from each of them. Afterwards, as they came out of the church, the older one was on the left side, and the younger one on the right side, and then the pigeons pecked out the other eye from each of them. And thus, for their wickedness and falsehood, they were punished with blindness as long as they lived.

This is of course after they had each sliced off parts of their feet in a futile attempt to fit into the golden slipper.

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Dalrock October 9, 2010 at 11:01

Speaking of the endings of applicable Grimm tales, The Lazy Spinning Woman may be the best fit of all. It features a husband tricked by his lazy wife. The husband is seen as a fool and the wife is seen as disgusting:

Afterward the poor man was as quiet as a mouse and said nothing at all, thinking that it was his fault, that he was to blame. And in the future he said nothing more about yarn and spinning. But you yourself must admit that she was a disgusting woman.

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Ms_Fu October 9, 2010 at 11:56

It saddens but doesn’t surprise me that you have come to this conclusion, Welmer. Far too many women do not know how to clean or cook or manage a child; it’s rather frightening. Far too many of us focus on our rights in a marriage, rather than our responsibilities.
I think that every woman should read Dr. Laura’s book, “The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.” I read the book a year ago and it has changed my perspective of men and marriage. In a nutshell, Dr. Laura advocates submitting to your husband (cooking for him, having sex when he wants and not withholding it, and letting him be the leader) and he will go out of his way to make you happy. My father told me the exact same thing.

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Bobby L October 9, 2010 at 12:28

A whore can never be a wife and today, all women are whores.

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CorkyAgain October 9, 2010 at 12:33

“Once its over and they are married, its all a big letdown. The man is no longer a groom and princely, there are screaming kids and filthy clothes and dishes, no more people are honoring her and the gown is in a box.”

That’s not quite right. Anyone who has observed the attention given to pregnant women and new mothers knows that the princess has one last stand on the pedestal before the letdown begins.

The letdown begins when she notices that people are cooing more over the *baby* than they are over her. Years later, she will still be harboring that grudge, and will be constantly reminding her children of the debt they owe her for having carried them in her womb.

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CorkyAgain October 9, 2010 at 12:45

Also notice:

Snow White breaks into the dwarves’ house uninvited and immediately starts redecorating.

She doesn’t ask for their permission to do this, she simply asserts that her style is better than theirs.

It’s always *his* stuff that gets put out with the trash.

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Carnivore October 9, 2010 at 13:11

CorkyAgain writes:

Its always *his* stuff that gets put out with the trash.

Sort of like this, eh…..

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Curiepoint October 9, 2010 at 15:12

I have to wonder, what are you actually looking for in a wife?

Couldn’t tell you.

I can however, tell you what I would not want:

- An angry and contentious bitch who only thinks that the household is happy and well-balanced when everything goes according to her whims and fancies.

- A loud-mouthed 300 lb orge who thinks that the way to relate lovingly to her husband is to compete with him.

- A woman, who by virtue of her “You go, Grrrl” attitude is fixated on the husband’s dick as being much smaller than her own.

- A woman who thinks that men really want to be “challenged” by her scorching wit and wisdom, coming as it does from such scholarly personae as Orca Winfrey, Joy(less) Bahar, and all the other mouthy broads on “The View”

- A woman who only values her biology, citing the “natural order of things” when she decides she wants to spawn a couple of house apes that the father has no rights to, but only responsibilities.

- A woman who at the same time espouses the holiness of her biological imperatives, curses and degrades those of men, her husband’s in particular.

- A woman who cares far more about the welfare of her daughters, but not her sons. “A woman loves her son, but teaches her daughter” after all.

- A woman who has no respect for her husband if the caters to her whims, but feels “threatened” by a husband who says “no” to her on things that matter.

-A woman who when gathered with all the other brood-hens in the neighborhood will bitch about there husbands over absolutely nothing because she is addicted to her own sense of superiority.

- A woman who will readily screw her boss if it means the corner office, or the local drug dealer because he is exciting, or the paperboy just for the hell of it…all the while claiming that it’s her right to do so.

- A woman who then thinks that it’s okay to cast her husband into lifetime indentured servitude when she does the above and then divorces him.

- A woman who holds the definition of loving her husband as meaning that she whines, bitches, moans, and nags a man to an early grave.

- A woman who thinks that caring for a husband means cutting off his genitals and then tossing him a band-aid.

- A woman who’s ass spreads much wider and much much faster than her cumulative knowledge and brain-power.

Have I left anything out?

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curiepoint October 9, 2010 at 15:28

I think that every woman should read Dr. Lauras book, The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.

Dr. Laura is a hack.

I know a lot of men who think her an ally, but in truth she is reducing the value of men down to the old wives’ tale of keeping a husband happy by emptying his testicles and filling his stomach.

I pay no heed to what an old wife has to say.

She gives not one bit of creedence to the notion of men being human beings; even the title of her book is couched in terms of how to treat a pet.

Men are the architects of civilization, of freedom, and of reaching for the stars. Men have dreams, aspirations, and causes they consider worth fighting for. They have souls, and they are the protectors and benefactors of others’. They are poets, musicians, artists, and believers of always reaching for that which is just out of reach.

They are not solely placed upon this earth to be subject to some woman’s whimsical notions of what is worthwhile. They don’t give a damn if the drapes match the rug, whether your shoes match your handbag, whether the latest dress from Berghdorf’s is flattering on you or not, nor whether or not it makes your ass look too big while wearing it.

They already know that your fat ass makes your ass look big.

Marriage is the institution of dream-killing.

Wives are the ones who brandish the murder weapon.

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M October 9, 2010 at 15:33

“There are some good women who have found God and morality after a dissolute youth, but in general I would agree with you. Men should go back to expecting to marry virgins.”

When men married virgins, brides were quite young. 12, 13 usually. Snow white, Cinderella, in the original stories were quite young. Juliet in Romeo and Juliet the same etc.

We’ll never get back to that.

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piercedhead October 9, 2010 at 15:44

John T

More obvious truth in the one comment you wrote than everything I have ‘learned’ about domestic violence through the media in the last 20 years. What you say matches what I know about people – what the media says bears little resemblance at all.

Thanks for posting such a clear and detailed comment.

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ElectricAngel October 9, 2010 at 15:51

The woman I married and I were talking one day when tasks overwhelmed us, with both of us busy with work. She said to me: “Do you know what we need? A Wife!” We laughed, but neither of us really has a wife at this point.

To the comment: “The state privileges married couples over non married and single people in a legal and economic and political fashion. Why should some married persons pay less in taxes or have benefits bestowed on them by the state that are not given to me.”

Sorry, but the State profits tremendously from married couples both working outside the home. Take two people making $150K and marry them: poof! They’re now “millionaires” according to the Obama administration, and will pay more in taxes than two single people. If they have two kids, the best course is to divorce, have each partner take one child, and file as head of household.

What your argument really calls for is a divorce of State and marriage. No family law, no alimony, no child support, and there might be hope for the institution. As F. Roger Devlin writes, (and everyone reading this article should read Devlin) people join up to accomplish what they cannot accomplish by themselves; no man could procreate and raise children on his own, and so the institution of marriage was created. Destroy fatherhood, or remove the incentive for a man to bond with a child, and you remove the incentive to accomplish something together.

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crella October 9, 2010 at 15:56

but in truth she is reducing the value of men down to the old wives tale of keeping a husband happy by emptying his testicles and filling his stomach.

No, I think she is reminding modern women that which they have forgotten, or been programmed out of. I hear women brag ‘I can’t even make mac and cheese out of a box!’, they’re proud of not knowing how to cook and clean house, and self-centered as they are, they’re not going to initiate sex for his sake…’this one’s for you’ ain’t in their vernacular.

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Curiepoint October 9, 2010 at 16:18

I hear women brag I cant even make mac and cheese out of a box!,

I know of this phenomena, as I lived it for 17 years. I was the cook in the house because I didn’t want my kids eating microwaved crap while trying to grow up. As a result, I am far better at it than any woman I have known; any woman.

The problem I still have with Dr. Laura Huck-Meister is that she still does not address anything more than this. If she wanted to get the point across that women have forgotten a lot of stuff over the years, she didn’t need to do it in terms of an insulting condescension of husbands.

Granted, she may have meant well, but she doesn’t even reach the half-way point regarding what is important to men and how women could be more of an asset to them. Half-knowledge and half-solutions are worse than no solution at all.

At least I think so.

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Thag Jones October 9, 2010 at 16:49

Sort of OT, but speaking of poor prospects for wives, I just can’t help laughing at this!

Duke Fuck List Chick Has Regrets! LULZ

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Ms_Fu October 9, 2010 at 16:56

@ Curiepoint
I’ll take what you say into consideration. It is true that some men don’t like Dr. Laura, but I never knew why.

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craichead October 9, 2010 at 17:43

There’s a really great old (1942) book out there called “Generation of Vipers” by Philip Wylie. In it, he breaks down all these changes contemporary to when they were written and cites the Cinderella myth as a whole chapter.

Incidentally, even in 1942 he cites the stat that women control 80% of consumer purchases and so were a marketing force to be reckoned with even back then. Highly reccomended book and very well written too. He was a found of New Yorker magazine I believe who also wrote sci-fi.

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Alte October 9, 2010 at 18:32

Kathy,

Have you read (or watched) “Great Expectations”? It’s also full of shrews, nags, and thug-chasers. And one decent girl.

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Alte October 9, 2010 at 19:00

Curiepoint,

I do think Dr. Laura means well.

I’ve listened to her show regularly for years and it’s obvious that she cares as much about her male readers as about her female readers. “The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands” was a book she wrote for the husbands’ sake, not for the wives’ sake. She wanted men to have a book they could give their wives, and the contents show her obvious sympathy for America’s harassed and neglected husbands. She is often positively indignant on their behalf, and her book was my own wake-up call. I’ve learned a lot from her, and am very grateful for her advice.

I think she is sincere, and that the title was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek. Her point with it is that most women don’t even know how to treat their husbands as well as they would a pet. It’s supposed to make fun of wifely incompetence, not demean the role of husband and father.

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David Collard October 9, 2010 at 21:06

People are not perfect. Despite what Americans expect. Dr Laura may have all sorts of faults, but she did one unique thing of value. She actually wrote that men should lead in the marriage. It’s right there in black and white, as my Grandfather used to say.

I have seen scores of marriage books, and I cannot think of another modern book that does this. Of a secular type, that is.

I gave The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands to my wife. It is a sweet book from a man’s perspective.

As noted above, a proper husband should be willing to die for his wife. Or his children. I told my daughter that last night. This is the other side of the coin of the hardness that a man needs to make his way in life, the side that leaves me quite untroubled that my wife is currently making my lunch for tomorrow. She is my wife – that is what she is for. And that ensured I got exactly what I wanted sexually this morning.

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by_the_sword October 9, 2010 at 21:11

You can tell men not to associate with women and you can tell women that all men are pigs. But men and women will still end up together.

This site is an important tool to men and boys on the perils of our society. It is good that they can come hear and learn the truth instead of having only the bullshit that guys like me were force-fed since childhood.

Let’s hope that the men who read the articles here learn how to best pick themselves a mate and avoid state sanctioned “marriage”.

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curiepoint October 9, 2010 at 23:00

Okay Alte…fair point.

I am wary of any so-called “expert” telling anyone else how to behave around the opposite sex. If there are problems in a marriage that need that level of fixing, then both parties are to blame:

- Her for the deception she’s pulled until after the wedding.
- Him for being stupid enough not to see through it.

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David Collard October 9, 2010 at 23:12

I don’t understand this emphasis on “the deception she’s pulled until after the wedding”. Can’t men get a fair idea of a woman’s beliefs and character in even a few months of “dating”? Are we men so dumb?

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Jack Donovan October 9, 2010 at 23:47

Good stuff, Mr. Price. Very good and convincing writing with a clear takeaway. You should make this a “keeper” — maybe create a page for “hits” or “important articles” or “recent favorites.”

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Robert October 10, 2010 at 01:06

John T. October 9, 2010 at 01:07

“while the female is hysterical or playing hard on the victim card. With the imminent fear standard in place women have learned to exploit this feature of the domestic abuse law.”

There are women who have learned to play and exploit the “victim card” and the “imminent fear” standard, who have no relationship, and never had a relationship, with men they accuse of committing one or more acts of violence against them. I am the victim of such a woman. She falsely accused me of waving a gun at her and putting her in imminent fear for her life. After succeeding in ruining my life, she bragged about what she did and caused on the internet. Though it is not easy saving the money to hire an attorney to seek exoneration, I’m working hard to do so. It’s not just women in relationships or marriage who can use the law and the police as tools to cause damage/harm to a man, it’s also women who do it for, as my accuser stated in her brag, for fun.

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universe October 10, 2010 at 02:41

Robert
It is difficult when one doesn’t quite know how to provide the appropriate words and course of action, over the internet, for what you have described above.

As much as I am loathe to suggest the seeking of redemption to your sullied reputation from a ‘victim services’ branch of your local police department, it still may produce lead clues to places dealing with such matters.
Even the False Rape Society may have resourses for council and agencies dealing with restorative justice matters.

Often, it is the people that have lived through great suffering who create places of refuge for others experiencing the same. Surely, somewhere, some individual has made it their life’s mission to bring attention to the consequences of false accusations.
There is great power in the old dictum “…seek, and ye shall find” and “…he that seeketh, findeth” (Matt.7:7 &:8), although the author of such words had a much loftier purpose in mind for making such statements. He was trying to lead people to consider being ever mindful of the source that provides for all who believing it possible.

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Omnipitron October 10, 2010 at 03:42

I dont understand this emphasis on the deception shes pulled until after the wedding. Cant men get a fair idea of a womans beliefs and character in even a few months of dating? Are we men so dumb?

Chris Rock had said in one of his stand up routines that when we are dating it isn’t US we are showing to our prospects, but the Ambassadors of us so to speak. We are on our P’s and Q’s in order to show good face. My father had told me a joke years ago about a woman who would wake up early and make breakfast from scratch, clean the house, and do all sorts of things for her prospective husband. The morning after they got married, hubby wakes up before his new wife to a messy house, and breakfast not made. Hours later when his wife wakes up, he asks her what changed.

“Where married now, what did you expect?”

It’s a show some put on so men get lulled into a false sense of security. As the years progress and the propaganda expands, women are compelled to do less and less during this time, and men seem to expect less and less and think nothing wrong with the paradigm.

It’s only MRA’s and/or people who have woken out of the Matrix who realized the hornswaggle for what it is. Most men simply put up with it as the constant b!tching isn’t worth it as far as they are concerned.

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David Collard October 10, 2010 at 04:29

I quite agree that men don’t expect enough. It is quite ludicrous how little many husbands expect these days.

I wrote a while back: she isn’t irritable because you don’t do enough housework: she is irritable because you act like her maid. Sure, I do some housework, but it is clear who is the housewife in our establishment. Not me.

Omnipitron, it is a cute story, but I doubt that would happen too often. That is what an engagement is for, to see if you are really going to make a successful husband and wife. If you have more than a few dates, if you spend time together in less than ideal circumstances, you quickly see the masks fall. True personality is hard to hide. (If nothing else, you will see her with PMT.) I was engaged twice, and I could see that the first girl was not going to make a good wife. The second girl, now my wife, had her faults, but they were faults I could live with. She was doing my laundry before we married. She didn’t give me a lot of feminist crap. She was a “good girl” but clearly not frigid. And so on.

You CAN be unlucky. First impressions can be wrong. That is why we have the wise saying, Marry in haste, Repent at leisure.

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Omnipitron October 10, 2010 at 04:57

My good man David, that’s just the point. Sure we have engagements, but the truth of the matter is that due to the fact that men have such low expectations nowadays due to the media, they cannot effectively sort the wheat from the chafe. I had read a post from Thag which stated that the ubiquitous nature of the propaganda had actually reached her in a grocery store, stating the happiness of a woman was important, nowhere stating the needs of a man. Also, due to our messages from Big Brother, as time goes on, a woman’s position is somewhat bolstered, a man’s is weakened.

Even Dr. Phil will tell a man that he should look past a woman’s appearance to a degree even though Robin McGraw works out quite often.

I can understand your situations, but you must also realize that you yourself are an exception to the rule. I had read your post about your wife wearing pants and your stance on it and her eventual obedience. You must by now realize that most commen men do not even have anywhere near that much say in their wives lives.

That’s the point.

Most men won’t ask that much of their wives, they don’t think they have any reason to nor the grounds to make such a ‘misogynist’ request as the lamestream media as TrollKing would put it states.

Let me put it to you like this; just tonight I was talking to my friend “WL” before he left me on his long trek back to his current residence after working at the bar. He had told me about how his wife used to snuggle up to him and spend time with him in the early days.

Then they got married. Guess what stopped?

This is the same woman who had called the cops on him for assault after she got into his face. Maybe that cute story isn’t so cute anymore now is it?

My wife is MUCH more reasonable than most North American Women, and I have nowhere near the say you do. However, I am working on it.

Consider it. Exactly HOW many men make this mistake when they get married? You already know the answer.

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Kathy October 10, 2010 at 05:37

“He had told me about how his wife used to snuggle up to him and spend time with him in the early days.

Then they got married. Guess what stopped?”

I think that is sad , Omnipitron, I really do.

Last night I snuggled up to my husband (as I am often wont to do) Poor guy was oblivious.. had such a hard busy week…Needed sleep. I was comforted, though, feeling his warm masculine body against mine..

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Alte October 10, 2010 at 06:32

As a woman, I cannot think of any reason why a wife would become frigid like that, other than pure contempt for her husband. Women are generally willing to have sex on a regular basis with a husband they respect. So if she’s refusing, then it’s because she no longer respects you. She’s either sleeping with someone else, planning on sleeping with someone else, or wishing she could sleep with someone else.

I’d probably try Game and maybe counseling (if I could find a decent one), and if that didn’t work out then I’d file for divorce. Even if I still loved her and wanted to remain married, I’d do that. Firstly, to protect my own behind from whatever storm is brewing in her head. Secondly, to regain her respect and teach her that I am to be taken seriously.

Just my 2 cents.

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Nicole October 10, 2010 at 08:24

I remember seeing Snow White as a girl for the first time in a movie theater. At the time, I didn’t know how the movie was going to end, and spent some time wondering which of thr dwarves she would marry.

I was confused by the prince coming back, kissing her once, and her running off with him after the dwarves did so much for her. I thought to myself, “What if one of the dwarves kissed her? Why are they so darn shy?”

Maybe that’s why today, I like the idea of game.

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fondueguy October 10, 2010 at 09:55

@I Can Has Equality October 9, 2010 at 07:01

I think you hit it on the mark. People here are always talking about the state getting into their lives via “the personal is political”. We complain about divorce and the courts and what the state does to them for the benefit of women. Well why are we giving the state that authority? Why are some putting all their effort in trying to change marriage but are still willing to leave it in the hands of the state?

Handing out rights and privileges for simply tying the knot is where the problem starts. Your being given privileges/incentives just for going through a ceremony and by the same token she will take at least half of your belongings believing it to be hers. The only reason she is not a crook is because of some status that you willingly gave her, “wife”. But why should the state be giving her that status? How can you work hard, develop something, earn what comes of it then have half of it taken away by default? ICHE (troll king?) said It right, state marriage has taken away any bargaining power the individual who earned the resources used to have because through marriage it is no longer their own resources, like it would have been for any other regular non-married person.

Wouldn’t it be best for people to negotiate relationships on their own terms rather than through the state? I personally don’t like the idea of funding a woman’s retirement but if a person chooses such it should be through their willingness and when they think the benefits are worth it. Why should individual negotiations in personal relationships be overturned by the state just because their was a ceremony. And how would the state EVER be able to negotiate the terms in a fair way. One example that I think gets to the core of this question is if a man becomes the sole provider for 20 years in his marriage while his wife stays at home with the kids should she really get his stuff in divorce? Even if it was shown that she was a good wife and mother and supported her husband after she takes his earnings (or her lost earnings) how will he ever get back the time he lost with his kids while he was at work. What can be his compensation for all the extra experiences she had with the kids which he missed out on because he was in an office. That is something which simply can never be monetized redistributed by the state.

Now I haven’t even gotten into what a sham marriage and the courts have become (including absurd “property rights” of the wife, incentive divorce and lying, children as weapons, expense proceedings, and so on) but the simple point is that the state has no business sanctioning our romantic relationships.

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David Collard October 10, 2010 at 16:01

I have no compunction about expecting my wife to honour my wishes as to how she dresses and behaves. I don’t like women in trousers, and I expect her to wear skirts or dresses.

As for sex, I “game” her. Basically, if she wants affection, to cuddle up to my “manly chest” as she puts it, she can put out first. Which she does.

Game, game, game. Natural game with some learned game. Women will bitch, scream and yell very often if you want something extra. Just ignore them. If they have even a modicum of respect for you, they will do what you want very often.

I choose what we do in the bedroom. If she wants affection, she gives me what I want.

And screw the media. Why should I listen to them? I am a man. My wife was made for me by God. She is the only woman I have ever had. I love her and am devoted to her and our children. You can be damn sure I expect her to comply with most of my wishes.

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David Collard October 10, 2010 at 18:27

jennifer

I was sorry to read your story.

I expect the traditional services from my wife, but I give her traditional husbandly fidelity in return. I don’t sleep with other women, I don’t drink, I don’t gamble, I don’t look at porn.

The answer is a happy medium. A man who is strong enough to turn a woman on, but not a bad man who will treat her poorly.

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Omnipitron October 10, 2010 at 19:00

Hey Just cause your life/wife sucks, dont bring us all down.

Many people, myself include are happily married.

Maybe the problem isnt women, maybe the problem is you?

ouch!

Of course, the problem is ALWAYS guys, isn’t it. Even when they are doing everything the media states to make a woman happy.

Bullsh!t!!

I have a few friends who are or where in miserable marriages and it was ALWAYS their fault, even when it would be clear as day to Helen Keller that the problem was completely hers to deal with.

How about this; how about you get off the Mangina Train and see with your eyes what’s going on and actually realizing when a Man states that there is a fire raging out of control instead of trying to ignore the smoke, okay?

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fondueguy October 10, 2010 at 19:14

@David Collard October 10, 2010 at 18:27

You just defended her in the face of ridiculous male bashing.

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Omnipitron October 10, 2010 at 19:14

As the ideal submitting sweet helpful wife -4 times now I end up leaving every husband because of their self destructive addictions of sex/strippers/drugs and or alcohol. I have had no problem being the helpful wife and wild sex kitten in the bedroom- besides the fact that I am a fit beautiful former model and make lots of money and cook and clean. But why should I put 110 % into a marriage when he is wasting our money and health etc etc with whores?

I will second David on his post and if you are indeed the type of woman who exemplifies these qualities, only to be treated in the manner which you have stated, then this is very saddening because women like you are very rare. Whether man or woman, a good and willing participant in marriage is difficult to find and it’s a tremendous waste when they are taken advantage of.

90% of my divorced girlfriends were the model wives you say do not exist

I will take you at your word that you are part of an very rare group of women, the vast majority are indeed nowhere near as willing to assist in the labor of love marriage is and expect to be catered for the rest of their lives.

The other 10% were cheating too so they did not care. All you men whine and cry about how marriage is dead but the porn industry is sure making a huge profit So instead of lamenting the poor state of women/wives why not write articles that educate young men to not become victims of porn and drugs!

Because, there are a lot of men who aren’t being treated anywhere near as well as your husbands where and this is the reality of the situation. While I won’t question the veracity of your story, you are indeed making one mistake that quite a few modern women make in this day and age.

You are making the problem all about you as if the real issue is the lack of men who don’t use porn or want to treat their wives well. If you read any of this site, it may open your eyes to another growing issue, which is just as important as your lack of ‘good men.’

Help men to become real men. I remember reading lots of angry articles from Henry Makow complaining about western women only to find out later that he was a porn sex addict! Instead of pointing your fingers at women start looking at yourselves in the mirror!

Then I would suggest you do the same for yourself instead of pointing your fingers at men for the sole issue as to why you can’t find a decent man. While you do bring up some issues which should be threshed out, you did the very same thing that so many women have done before; anytime a man every voices his opinion about an issue he faces, he is told exactly what you have stated here.

If you want communication, you also need to listen.

You didn’t listen, you simply started to ‘whine’ just like us ‘men’ are doing and we are supposed to listen to you and fall in line. Just like you, men require a support system, and if all you are going to do is come here and blame us for the lack of suitable men, then please go elsewhere as there are many more support systems available to you then men have either no access to, or are rebuked from.

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fondueguy October 10, 2010 at 19:43

Submissive my ass. She asserts that she and most of her friends are the ideal… they left the men (she was in four marriages), and she a simple and dumb rationale to blame everything on men as she bashes us as a whole.

Her points are ridiculous but how can you believe she is the submissive type. Just don’t compete for a woman like that, please.

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Omnipitron October 10, 2010 at 20:00

Her points are ridiculous but how can you believe she is the submissive type. Just dont compete for a woman like that, please.

I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt and play Devils Advocate Fondueguy. Trust me, if I where a betting man, my wager would be right beside yours. If one has been married and divorced 4 times, then clearly the issue lies with them, even if its simply the fact that they consistently choose poor subjects for spouses.

I have a female friend that I talk to every so often who could have written what Jennifer has stated word for word. If you ask her, the dissolution of her marriage is all her husbands fault, as she has done nothing wrong in the past.

As far as she is concerned, she was the best wife the world has ever seen.

This is the reason why I do get a little hot under the collar about women posting here stating that we should be teaching men to be men and looking in the mirror. Women do indeed have society and the media supporting them when they get knocked down. We have to cower into small spaces on the internet to back each other up as we not only have our needs ignored amongst the general populace, but are attacked and shamed to boot.

Whatever this woman’s position or past is, she shouldn’t be allowed to finger point here in one of the few safe places men have left, and her she could undoubtedly use a bit of her own advice.

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David Collard October 10, 2010 at 20:18

jennifer may be the kind of girl who is attracted to alpha males. Some men do behave badly. My father was unfaithful and drank too much. Such men exist.

As I said, you need a happy medium. Not too alpha, not too beta.

Frankly, if any man here thinks telling a woman what to wear is too extreme, maybe he needs to reconsider his programming. That is nothing.

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Anonymous October 10, 2010 at 21:03

Married 4 times?

Somehow, I don’t think you’re the ideal you’re presenting yourself to be

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Omnipitron October 10, 2010 at 21:36

jennifer may be the kind of girl who is attracted to alpha males. Some men do behave badly. My father was unfaithful and drank too much. Such men exist.

How many women aren’t? You’ve been here a while, you know that women would prefer some of an alpha rather than 100% of a beta and most of the men here know that too. Remember the propaganda, guess what it tells women, right? Why would a woman go for a happy medium when she is told that she can have it all? Maybe you figured it out by yourself. Maybe you where simply one of the lucky ones. Do I have an issue with telling you wife what to wear?

Nope, in this world, we all have to figure out what works for us and our families and you seemed to figure it out. If you are here, then you also must have realized that many men haven’t got it figured out, but if they don’t know any different, how are they supposed to realize it?

For whatever reason, you either got told or learned the truth, most do not because they feel that the faulty information they are given IS the truth. This goes for men and women, and women where trained by the older females in their lives the importance of the provider vs the bad boy, this too has gone out the window for the betterment of no one.

That’s half the problem. When you think you’ve got a handle on things, why are you going to go out and search for more?

As I said, you need a happy medium. Not too alpha, not too beta.

And how are men and women going to learn this? Any attempt is shot down by the feminist media so men can no longer teach their boy children just how to be men and women are told how to be the anti-thesis of what a woman really should be. How am I going to teach my children Astro Physics when I haven’t the foggiest clue myself since I wasn’t told when I was growing up? There is a reason for this.

Frankly, if any man here thinks telling a woman what to wear is too extreme, maybe he needs to reconsider his programming. That is nothing.

I have an uncle who is a 7th day Adventist who follows the same sort of rules you do. The women do not wear pants and even though he has two jobs, he is always there for his children. His eldest daughter had posted this on Facebook just today herself. My cousins are well behaved, well educated and have a very good idea of what the world is about. Guess who the head of that family is?

We damn well do need to teach men that they need to be the heads of their households, but it goes against everything the media states. You are in the position to be able to tell the media to ‘Rack off’ but c’mon, you’re telling me that most men are in that same position?

They are told repeatedly that they are lucky to even have a woman. You must know this and you must see the error of this, but you also must see the all consuming power of this repeated message at every turn and how both men and women get indoctrinated into their current mindsets and the issues this leads too.

To be able to reject a paradigm as being worthless, one has to be taught the fundamentals of another one and shown how the benefits are far more beneficial than the previous. The more ubiquitous the erroneous message, the more the correct education is required to make sure their charge stays on the straight and narrow.

You where able to shake off the shackles, but what means did you come by what educated you in the first place? This is what needs to be taught to the majority of men. The fact that you know is irrelevant, it’s HOW that you came by these facts in the first place and how that can be taught to men now, and the younger generation which is the most important information.

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Omnipitron October 10, 2010 at 22:14

and single mommies that would love to have a husband and be the wives like our grandmas.

I’d be careful of that particular choice. Just trust me on that one, kay?

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David Collard October 10, 2010 at 22:20

I am 55. I am an Australian. Maybe I was just lucky.

But I consider my wife was lucky to get ME.

I have said before here that I think women are – at best – equal to men. Certainly not superior.

I have a model in my mind of the ideal marriage, and I try to make that into a reality, with some success.

I don’t get this American obsession with what the media says, with role models. Who gives a fuck what the media says? It’s entertainment. That’s all.

There must be an ideal mixture of alpha and beta. Being alpha should be the easy bit. Just treat the woman like a woman. Her job is to bear children, look nice, cook, and spread her legs (and lips) with reasonable regularity. Simple.

I say and do what I want at home. If she is unhappy, she knows where the door is. She is still here after nearly 25 years.

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Alte October 11, 2010 at 07:26

If one has been married and divorced 4 times, then clearly the issue lies with them, even if its simply the fact that they consistently choose poor subjects for spouses.

Yeah, look at Halle Berry. We’re all stupid sometimes, but that sort of record points to an inability to learn from her mistakes.

If she really is beautiful then she’s probably landing the thugs and playas other women want but can’t get. But a married jerk is still a jerk; putting a ring on it will not result in him getting a new personality.

Jennifer,
You have terrible taste in men. Choose better men. There are plenty of them out there, you just have to notice their existence for once.

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zed October 11, 2010 at 08:16

Jennifer,
You have terrible taste in men. Choose better men. There are plenty of them out there, you just have to notice their existence for once.

However that begs the question – what kind of man would want to be anyone’s fifth husband? A man with options can almost certainly find a better candidate to marry than a 4 time loser.

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fondueguy October 11, 2010 at 08:35

Why people giving excuses for her? As if whenever a woman leaves the Guy must be bad!

In her post she showed arrogance (“I’m the ideal”), inability to hold a marriage (4 times), and talks about men in a nasty way. Why isn’t she the bad one and not just her choice in men. Oh that poor misguided woman…

I didn’t want to say it myself but I knew somebody would bring up alpha beta crap (which is why I said don’t compete for a woman like that). If a man cheats or just outright leaves a marriage he is considered a pig or irresponsible. We don’t talk about how the woman wasn’t good enough making him leave; lets not put extra responsibility on men.

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fondueguy October 11, 2010 at 08:39

“Jennifer, You have terrible taste in men. Choose better men. There are plenty of them out there, you just have to notice their existence for once.”

She gets sympathetic advice, wtf…

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Alte October 11, 2010 at 13:22

However that begs the question what kind of man would want to be anyones fifth husband?

Yeah, but who would want to be a fourth husband, or a third husband? A second husband is already a bit of a stretch, so the others boggle the mind. Caveat emptor.

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Alte October 11, 2010 at 14:59

Jennifer,
I wouldn’t want to marry someone else’s husband (or wife, for that matter), even if they did have “divorce papers”. Chastity is about honoring marriage. It’s not honoring marriage if you go from one marriage to another.

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Alte October 11, 2010 at 18:08

You mean:

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

I’m married.

I believe that a legal separation (or civil divorce) can be used for self-preservation or to protect children. But remarriage after that is adultery, because divorce does not make a marriage invalid. That passage alone is not proof enough for your interpretation.

Your example shows the wisdom of this, to prevent marriage being turned into serial monogamy.

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Alte October 11, 2010 at 18:41

I’m sorry, Nicole, but I’m not that kind of Christian. I am Catholic, and I was paraphrasing the Canon. Those rules are not relative and sympathy does not change them.

She asked my opinion, and I gave it to her. If she would like a different opinion, she is free to ask someone else. I am not being “harsh” with her. I am the same with her as I am with everyone else, including myself.

I do not believe in remarriage; not for me, not for her, and not for anyone else. If they choose to do that, then that is their business. I will tolerate it, but they shouldn’t expect me to approve of it.

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slwerner October 11, 2010 at 19:25

@Jennifer

I supposing your story is true (which I do not), why are you wasting time posting time here?

Surely all your divorced friends have told you that you’re entitled to millions (hundreds of millions, actually), and there are thousands of lawyers who’d be more than happy to help you get it. Two billionaire ex’s and one who’s a partner in a law firm. You are one extremely fortunate woman.

Of course, since I’m teh one who’s having to (finally) point this out to you, I do expect a “finders fee”. I” settle for just 1% of your expected “take”.

Thanks in advance.

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trent13 October 11, 2010 at 20:36

Nicole said:

its more Christian to try to be understanding of people who are doing the best they can with what they have.

You are welcome to disagree with the Bible. I disagree with many things in it, but then I am not a Christian.

Ahaha, I love it! The non-Christian informing the Catholic what Christian behavior is….righteous!

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Gunslingergregi October 12, 2010 at 01:39

””””’David Collard October 9, 2010 at 23:12
I dont understand this emphasis on the deception shes pulled until after the wedding. Cant men get a fair idea of a womans beliefs and character in even a few months of dating? Are we men so dumb?
””””

50 percent of marriages end in divorce for a hundred years almost.

Yea 1 out of two and you expect to be able to predict what exactly?

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Gunslingergregi October 12, 2010 at 01:43

Jennifer so you agree marriage in current form does not take care of a mans needs.

You wanted to control them and couldn’t.

Maybe if you had just let the man be a man you could have still been married instead of expecting a fairy tale you could have lived a real life.

It is expectations that kill shit not the realities.

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David Collard October 12, 2010 at 02:34

“50% of marriages end in divorce.” Maybe there are a lot of people marrying who did not do “due diligence”.

I upped my chances by marrying a virgin, a girl of my own faith, who had never lived away from home, washed my clothes before we got married, had a marked submissive streak, and wanted me sexually and romantically. She was of my social class with a good first degree in a feminine subject. She was a good bet.

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mgtow October 12, 2010 at 07:43

Marriage is Russian Roulette to men these days.

Avoid marriage.
A man needs a wife like a fish needs a bicycle.

Don’t forget women change after marriage, and usually not for the better (eg. gets fat, gets naggy, withholds sex for the most trivial reasons/as a weapon for controlling you).

Don’t bother signing a contract and bind yourself to one. Marriage, after peeling away all the external BS (eg. love, holy union, soulmate, fundamental unit for family/society), is at its very core a business transaction. A BAD business transaction; a piss poor deal for men.

Sure you can do your homework, take the necessary precautions etc before you seek a bride to wed. But there are risks involved. Although it is men’s nature to take risk, most men take CALCULATED RISK. Meaning, if the expected benefits do not justify the risks involved, the risk would not be taken.

I have weighed marriage on the scales and found it wanting. If the marriage game is rigged against me, then I simply refuse to play it. This conclusion is reached rationally, and no amount of name-calling (jaded, gay, cynical, genetic dead-end, Peter Pan blahbity blah) will alter my determination to avoid marriage.

It’s called Men Going Their Own Way. More and more men, especially younger men, are having their eyes opened and voting for marriage avoidance. Not even prenup. Not even ‘I don’t mind marrying one day if I meet someone good’. Just straight up ‘marriage sucks, I want no part of it’. This is a highly encouraging trend, and frankly unfathomable 3-5 years ago. Thank the Internet for this.

Let the husband drought rage on more. Let the ‘Where have all the good men gone?’ cries from washed up hags get louder. Take a bag of popcorn, sit back, relax and enjoy the show.

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Ken October 12, 2010 at 07:49

It’s been drilled in men that SUCCESS is a wife and family and those of us who have neither (espeically the lifelong bachelors like myself) are viewed and treated with contempt by others. Hmmm…

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slwerner October 12, 2010 at 07:52

jennifer – Someone posted that they could not believe my story I can not find it but I did read it before it disappeared -so I will comment on it.

I posted the same on two threads which is maybe why it was deleted from this one. You can reread it HERE.

It doesnt matter how you try to tweak your story so as to make it slightly more believable its still just way to incredible. And, because you posted it, you also lost any remain credibility you had from your original post (that became the basis for the other thread).

Some things I didnt bring out before (I just went after the Mack Truck sized holes), include your claim to have been a more or less traditional wife, who cooked and cleaned. [I have had no problem being the helpful wife and wild sex kitten in the bedroom- besides the fact that I am a fit beautiful former model and make lots of money and cook and clean., in case you didnt remember]

What should be patently obvious is that the wives of billionaires dont cook and clean. The household duties tend run towards ordering the staff around. And, BS on not knowing that they had so much money. Even those with mere hundreds of millions have mansions staffed with servants. Hell, most who are simply millionaires hire at least maids.

And, given your former career as a model, you must have had some money of your own probably enough to hire a maid if your husband was too cheap with his hundreds of millions to hire one for you.

Next, given that you supposedly know many women who divorced, they would surely have told you sometime during the past 14 years that you could still take him back to court and get your share (half) of whatever he did have at the time of the divorce [or, you could rewrite your story to include an iron clad prenup even though it would be perhaps the first and only such prenup that allowed a multi-millionaire to skate without a substantial financial settlement.

As to Hubby #2, if you were with him when he supposedly built a business and became a billionaire, then you are certainly entitled to half+ (under the rules of Marriage 2.0) that were in effect 12 years ago. His refusal to help you would make it even easier to clean him out in court now (seriously, I can name you a dozen lawyers right off the top of my head who would kill or die to get a piece of that action) [Again, a re-write should include some clever device that magically prevent you, a college educated woman, with plenty of divorce, from knowing that you could take him of court either at the time of the divorce or today) Your claim of My statue of limitations was long gone. simply isnt true. Ask any lawyer.]

I was written up about 6 times in local and national news papers! And Hollywood /Life Time did approach me to make a movie but the Billionaire who sued me is one of the biggest players in Hollywood and the movie was squashed.

Then it should still be available on-line. Lets see if you divorce #2 in 2001 (based on your timeline), and married and divorced #3 prior to getting and being fired from receptionist job before you even got into real estate; and given that such a law suit would typically take ~2 years to reach court, then how old could the story possibly be? ~ 2004?

Okay, just give us the name of this billionaire who sued you for research purposes, of course. Come on, nothing would prove your incredible tale true faster than an actual person whos team of lawyers lost such a suit to a pro se respondent (defendant). So, lets have it.

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slwerner October 12, 2010 at 09:06

@jennifer:

Still waiting for th name of that billionaire. From this, it looks as though there aren’t all that many to pick from.

I tried a few searches to try to find a story about a billionaire suing over a building sale. I can’t find anything.

Face it, Jenn, you told too tall a tale, and shot what minuscule credibility you had. Time to reinvent yourself with a new on-line identity, and a more believable tale so that you can continue to post your “men are the real problem” ideas that have even a faint chance of being taken seriously here.

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by_the_sword October 12, 2010 at 09:41

jennifer October 12, 2010 at 00:04
Someone posted that they could not believe my story I can not find it but I did read it before it disappeared -so I will comment on it.
My parents were poor and built their fortune from hard work

Jennifer, no one with two brain cells to rub together believes your story. Please go and submit it to a Best Young Adult Fiction contest or something and spare us the bullshit.

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Filter_&_expatriate October 12, 2010 at 14:29

In Western Europe, you have the ‘right’ to give back 75% of what it costs your employer to hire you for your work in direct taxes, indirect taxes, social security contributions, accises and various traffic violations tickets.
The remaining 25% in discretionary spending you have left, you cannot even enjoy spending with the girl of your choice if she’s not from the EU. With your taxes, the ruling feministic movement in the immigration office has blocked access to your country from the ‘unfair competion’ of feminine Eastern European or Asian girls. If you do manage to open a visa for your girl of choice, it will be a visa that generates huge rights for her through marriage.
While you will have bought yourself happiness for a couple of years with this gem, she will get mentally corrupted sooner or later and you will then divorce.
While it may still make sense on a Net Present Value basis if you have a solid pre-nup and no other alternatives, I chose another route.

While fighting for better laws in your home country seems something to do if you have the time and money, I took the option of filtering out the good (keeping the social security payment), while bailing out and actually living in a country where women are very feminine and where living together will not generate any government imposed right to half your estate before 5 years. I’ll have to move on before that. The law will make me break up with her after 4 years max.
I’m very open and honnest towards her as to what I offer, and what I expect from her. I haven’t found a better alternative than to expatriate myself. I live on a much lower budget than in the west, but the overall deal is way more favorable. She respects my lead and while expressing her wishes, she will submit to my decisions. She’s happy to care for me and the house chores and will never refuse herself to me… She cries for me to marry her, but I will have to resist, the deal is too screwed.

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Alte October 12, 2010 at 18:25

Jennifer,

I have enough problems with men (and sometimes women) flipping out, becoming obsessed and stocking me.

Yeah, I have that problem sometimes, too. I get imitated a lot, but it’s never as enticing as the original.

Knock it off, Skadi. Green is not your color, dear.

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Truth October 12, 2010 at 21:02

American women were whores 40 years ago, they became sluts 30 years ago, 20 years ago they were free prostitutes, 10 years ago, they became walking Sperm banks / Mobile Sperm Units, and today they are a sexified diseased blob of flesh waiting to infect their next encounter with their contagious excretions. They are a grotesque form with female organs without any spirit of femininity – a polluted and decayed creature! They are totally ruined by their own hands… minds!

Romance is dead and whores killed it!!

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Anon October 13, 2010 at 12:28

Women have been reading Jane Austen for almost two centuries. Each book has a wedding as the ultimate conclusion. Even some Shakespeare rustic plays end in weddings–with that as the ultimate prize for the woman.

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anon October 14, 2010 at 07:32

of course you know those fairy tales were written WELL before they were produced eh?

and of course you know the written ones are, at parts a far cry, from the produced ones eh?

and of course as a diligent father you would have explained this to your kids and read them the books eh?

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Frank Azzurro October 14, 2010 at 10:18

As I look back on my life, I realize that one of the biggest misconceptions I had when I was younger was that wives actually existed. Like many men, I learned the hard way that they do not, and now I realize Id simply been scammed.

It’s too bad you feel you’ve been duped. I’ve found a wonderful woman for a wife and she did not need the huge wedding to feel validated in her marriage. We got married to a crowd of our family but no huge wedding party, no Rolls Royce awaiting us…and we had the reception at a family member’s house; was one of the best nights many in each family had together.

The idea of a wife is not a myth – wives exists – just not to most modern women is all. Guess I’m just lucky.

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Gunslingergregi October 14, 2010 at 12:43

”””The mans need for sex outside the marriage or substance abuse was the cause of the divorces.”””

That is my point. They were being men.

Marriage to a woman who expects a man to refrain from any vice is unrealistic.
Marriage is a raw deal for men.
For woman it is like auto retirement.

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zel October 14, 2010 at 13:37

Drops Of Jupiter lyrics
Songwriters: Hotchkiss, Robert S; Monahan, Pat; Stafford, James W; Underwood, Scott Michael; Colin, Charlie;

Now that she’s back in the atmosphere
With drops of Jupiter in her hair, hey, hey
She acts like summer and walks like rain
Reminds me that there’s a time to change, hey, hey
Since the return from her stay on the moon
She listens like spring and she talks like June, hey, hey

But tell me, did you sail across the sun
Did you make it to the Milky Way
To see the lights are faded
And that heaven is overrated

Tell me, did you fall for a shooting star
One without a permanent scar
And then you missed me while you were looking for yourself out there

Now that she’s back from that soul vacation
Tracing her way through the constellation, hey, hey
She checks out Mozart while she does Tae-Bo
Reminds me that there’s room to grow, hey, hey

Now that she’s back in the atmosphere
I’m afraid that she might think of me as
Plain ol’ Jane told the story about a man
Who was too afraid to fly so he never did land

But tell me, did the wind sweep you off your feet
Did you finally get the chance
To dance along the light of day
And head back to the Milky Way

And tell me, did Venus blow your mind
Was it everything you wanted to find
And then you missed me while you were looking for yourself out there

Can you imagine no love, pride, deep-fried chicken
Your best friend always sticking up for you
Even when I know you’re wrong

Can you imagine no first dance, freeze-dried romance
Five-hour phone conversation
The best soy latte that you ever had, and me

But tell me, did the wind sweep you off your feet
Did you finally get the chance
To dance along the light of day
And head back toward the Milky Way

But tell me, did you sail across the sun
Did you make it to the Milky Way
To see the lights are faded
And that heaven is overrated

And tell me, did you fall for a shooting star
One without a permanent scar
And then you missed me while you were looking for yourself

And did you finally get the chance
To dance along the light of day
And did you fall for a shooting star
Fall for a shooting star
And now you’re lonely looking for yourself out there

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/sy-14208627/train_drops_of_jupiter_official_music_video/

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Lovekraft October 14, 2010 at 14:35

And dude on an MRA site who mentions his wife or ‘significant other’ should be required to post some pics of her to ward of undeserving posturing.

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Lovekraft October 14, 2010 at 14:44

Meant to say “Any dude” not “And dude”.
Anyways, was scanning old comments and this one stood out (by Sorin):

“For all their degrees, todays women are dumb as bricks. They have rejected weak feminine virtues in favor of masculine vices, imagining themselves to be empowered by them. Modern western woman considers herself liberated- but from what? Family, marriage, motherhood, chastity, beauty, modesty; those horror of horrors! There has never been a more miserable generation of women, yet it seems they would rather have their misery a hundred times over than trade it for their natural, submissive role as wives and mothers under a patriarchal system.”

Hits the nail on the head. Feminism has bred a certain sense of delusional entitlement and overreaching sense of self-worth. God forbid that a man can expect through hard work and saving for a secure home and future to find a grateful, stable woman.

ABT Syndrome: Anything But This Syndrome.

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fmz October 14, 2010 at 18:36

serious humour from the Book of Wife…

http://www.theabsolute.net/minefield/bkwife.html

Enlightenment is beyond wife and death.
Wife is a long, hard road.
Wife is an unbroken succession of false situations.
Wife was not meant to be easy.
We must strive to give our wives meaning.
Unhappy? That’s wife.
Despair comes to those who think about wife.
Happy is the man who leads a charmed wife.
Only in solitude can one study the mysteries of wife.
Wife and death go hand in hand.
Marriage is a matter of wife and death.
Without death there can be no wife.
Thinking is wife-threatening.
To think is to risk one’s wife.
Thinking has made my wife a misery.
He sacrificed his wife for Truth.
The important thing is not to take wife seriously.
Laughter is the best way of coping with wife.
One must laugh at the little things in wife.
The brave man laughs wife in the face.
It’s important to look at the bright side of wife.
My girlfriend changed my wife forever.
What is the purpose of wife if not reproduction?
Having children was the highest point of my wife.
A baby is God’s opinion that wife should go on.
Marriage is a part of wife.
Reincarnation: the punishment of wife after death.
Marriage was the culmination of my wife.
The final judge and jury is wife itself.
Wife is just one damn thing after another.
It is not true that wife is one damn thing after another, it is the same damn thing over and over.
Wife is a razor, you are always in hot water or a scrape.
Suicide is preferable to a wife of misery.
The most evil thing a man can do is the taking of wife.
Wife is suffering, then we die.
Wife never ends.
Is there wife in outer space?
The chance of there being intelligent wife on other planets is slim, based on current knowledge.
I was unemployed for so long that the government forced me to do a course in wife skills.
The arrogant are always undone by wife.
Conception is the beginning of wife.
Wife is a sexually transmitted disease.
Wife is an incurable disease.
He that guardeth his mouth keepeth his wife.
My wife is so habitualised I don’t even know who I am anymore.
The punishment for marriage is repeated wife after death.
A confirmed bachelor lacks the very spark of wife.
Is there such a thing as a normal wife?
Accept my wife, dear God.
There must be more to wife than having everything.
I can think of nothing less pleasurable than a wife devoted to pleasure.
The strongest force in the universe is the wife force.
A bunch of flowers can provide a new lease on wife.
Every girl has the wife essence.
A man risks everything in his public wife.
Money is the essential ingredient for the enjoyment of wife.
A bachelor knows the enjoyment of wife, but a husband knows the tragedy.
Every culture on earth values the preservation of wife.
If we didn’t have a social wife, we would never meet anyone.
Few men try to cultivate a philosophic wife.
Marriage is just everyday wife.
It is dangerous to ignore the emotional wife.
Having to work for a living is part of the cold hard realities of wife.
A bachelor is a man who is afraid of real wife.
Wife is a but a dream.
Wife is change; and change hurts.
I have sought the higher wife in vain.
I have worked hard for my wife’s savings.
I’m so convinced that I’m prepared to bet my wife on it.
Sweetheart, my wife is nothing without you.

Where have you been?
What did you do with that money?
What did you mumble under your breath just then?
. . . These are the three big questions of wife.

What is wife without love?

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Anonymous October 15, 2010 at 23:36

Wait, I’m confused here. You described what a ‘wife’ is but not a ‘husband’. The traditional wife may no longer exist en mass but does the traditional husband exist either?

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Watertiger October 16, 2010 at 15:05

Jennifer’s story keeps getting better and better! Any second now she’s going to ask us to send her money for some poor Nigerian orphans she’s trying to feed!

I could sit here all day and poke gaping holes in her ever changing tale of hardship and woe, but I’ve better things to do. She has had 4 husbands because she’s a complete idiot and can’t help picking losers.

She needs to write for Harlequin Romance books! Where the poor girl (but stunningly beautiful) meets the dazzling millionaire (tall, handsome & alpha) He suspects her motives, but realizes how sweet & genuine she is and ends up marrying her…GAG!

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Rose October 17, 2010 at 21:37

I believe that potential wives do exist.

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MrHogs2000 October 18, 2010 at 09:09

There is no shortage of wives. I think what you’re looking for is a very specific kind of wife who will be submissive and even embrace the straight-jacket you wish to place on her. And you quite strongly imply that a wife who doesn’t act as the submissive and inferior female in a marriage must actually be abused (sorry, “broken”) in order to make her the wife that her husband wants her to be. Is that the message you want to give to your children? – that abusing women is OK if you don’t get what you want, or that a woman’s job is to unreservedly surrender to man’s desires…but then, of course you’d probably brand her a ‘slut’.

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terry@breathing grace October 18, 2010 at 12:15

I should probably inform you, W.F.Price, that I linked to this post today on my blog. I linked because I like it, but I thought I should disclose just in case. I see that a couple of women have already protested.

That may or may not be my fault.

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W.F. Price October 18, 2010 at 12:33

I should probably inform you, W.F.Price, that I linked to this post today on my blog. I linked because I like it, but I thought I should disclose just in case. I see that a couple of women have already protested.

That may or may not be my fault.

-terry

Thanks for the link, Terry. I don’t mind the protests — the truth is sometimes bitter medicine.

Anonymous age 68 October 18, 2010 at 19:48

Um, Robert must be the vet who was deliberately destroyed, I think in Tennessee, by a fiend who boasts she has destroyed other men as well, just because she does not like them. Not to worry. If she keeps it up, she will eventually meet a man who understands her.

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Anonymous age 68 October 18, 2010 at 19:58

Jennifer, you don’t need a recommended attorney. Any divorce attorney can take care of your case, and there is no statute of limitations on re-filing. There is a thing called res judicata, which means you cannot re-file a case once a final ruling is issued, UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW A VALID REASON. And, fraud is a valid reason to open a case again.

A high school classmate married a divorced man who was sued over 20 years after his divorce by his ex-wife. He traded in land, and recommended she sell a piece of land at the time of the divorce. She did at current market value, and twenty some years later, she learned the price of land had gone way up in that 20 years, so she sued to get the new value. It went to the state Supreme court, and she lost, only because one does not retroactively re-price land 20 years later and win the new value.

It happens all the time, which is part of the evidence you are a liar.

You show all the signs of being a pathological liar. I suspect you are naught but a text book feminist, coming on a man’s board, ready to tell the most outrageous lies to discredit men. That is, act like a feminist.

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Anonymous October 18, 2010 at 20:48

A common comment by the feminists on this page involves the claim that men look at women as a variety of nothings, for expecting something in return for all women receive from men.

Oh, really?

Figures for many decades show that women spend something like 85% of all money, though it is stated in different ways at different times, and the numbers vary slightly.

When the numbers are examined, it becomes apparent that women spend all their own earnings, and a full 50% of all money earned by men in the entire nation.

And, a considerable number of men are not married, and no w0man receives one red cent from them. So, it is easy to tell married women essentially get a husband’s entire check, minus whatever trivial allowance Her Royal Majesty decides to permit him to have.

Yet, in exchange for receiving most of his income, that is, his life, she expects to give absolutely nothing at all in exchange? You feminists are, simply put, out of your minds. Nothing new found here.

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Anonymous age 68 October 18, 2010 at 20:48

A common comment by the feminists on this page involves the claim that men look at women as a variety of nothings, for expecting something in return for all women receive from men.

Oh, really?

Figures for many decades show that women spend something like 85% of all money, though it is stated in different ways at different times, and the numbers vary slightly.

When the numbers are examined, it becomes apparent that women spend all their own earnings, and a full 50% of all money earned by men in the entire nation.

And, a considerable number of men are not married, and no w0man receives one red cent from them. So, it is easy to tell married women essentially get a husband’s entire check, minus whatever trivial allowance Her Royal Majesty decides to permit him to have.

Yet, in exchange for receiving most of his income, that is, his life, she expects to give absolutely nothing at all in exchange? You feminists are, simply put, out of your minds. Nothing new found here.

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Dave October 24, 2010 at 17:57

Be patient, for that which cannot continue will not continue. Women ruthlessly exploit men individually through the family court system, and collectively through the welfare bureaucracy, but both depend on strong government to enforce them.

That government is running on empty. Soon the Fed will have to shut off its printing presses, or the dollar will collapse Weimar-style. Either way, millions of women will lose their welfare benefits, and millions more will lose their government-subsidized jobs in education, social work, and health care. Law enforcement will focus on protecting what’s left of the government, not chasing “deadbeat” dads.

In other words, America will become another Argentina. When women see dirty, ragged single mothers and their kids eating out of trash bags, their attitude toward marriage will change real quick.

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BobC October 25, 2010 at 09:35

@Zammo:

‘Women want to get married, they dont want to be married.’

It is far worse than that now. I know a woman who said repeatedly, the entire time she was dating my friend, that her only desire was “to be a mom.” My immediate thought was, ‘Your lifelong dream is reproduction? The fundamental, biological imperative of our species? That’s kind of aiming a little low.’ I didn’t put 2+2 together until what happened later.

So she dated my friend, got knocked up, got married, got knocked up again, proceeded to divorce him and then demand half his and his father’s farm. She literally ‘only wanted to be a mom,’ the husband was an undesirable, extra option.

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Awake November 6, 2010 at 12:59

It seems we are heading downhill now as a species. Powerful external forces are influencing the male and female population and attempting to denigrate the very fabric of society: the family.

By manipulating women’s minds back to their primitive state of superiority and men’s minds to be occupied with porn aka illusionary sex. This will revert mankind’s progress and traditional roles that took thousands of years to develop.

The corporate cabal will be pleased to find out that the family is an endangered species and will be extinct by a 100 years. Without tradition to keep things in check, things will revert to the natural state of female superiority over males due to their reproductive function. The below quote will acknowledge this fact:

“According to the ‘law of the jungle’, the male exists only to provide the seed for future generations and to protect the nest while the female nurses the young to maturity. Sexual intercourse occurs seasonally, and while all females ‘in heat’ get fertilized, only a small fraction the strongest males perform the task. Even among primates, only the strong, dominant males are permitted to fertilize the females, while weaker male specimens are either discarded or kept at a distance from the herd.”

This is the direction we are heading in right now, and there is not a goddamn thing we could do about it. All that can be done is the weaker males learn to adapt and live in independent lives and become stronger without the need for women to superficially acknowledge their strength. This can be done through abstinence of all sexual acts, allowing male energy to reach its peak and thus establish balance within the male and female population. Females may have stability and the power of sexuality, but the fact remains that without males their power is useless.

Being the intelligent creatures that we are, an equilibrium can be attained, even if it may be artificial, but that will only happen when the entire human race wakes up to this travesty we are living in and that include both males and females.

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fred March 25, 2011 at 23:18

oh, er, sorry – i thought this was match.com — my mistake ;)

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Brooke June 30, 2011 at 18:34

I agree almost entirely. Unfortunately, for most of my life I was much like the rest of Western women believing that I should be put up on a pedestal, that I deserved to be pampered and spoiled simply because I was female. I can remember very clearly my father telling me to find a man that would “treat you like a princess.” This mindset led me to have unrealistic and damaging expectations which in turn led me to dissatisfaction, discouragement of very good men, and depression. There was a turning point in my life after a big event when I realized just how much damage I’d done to myself and the man I loved, but scars of discouragement stick with us sometimes forever.
I will say that knowing is half of the battle. Although I am personally very “domestic” because of a combination of my personality and upbringing there is a certain selflessness that is required out of a “wife” that I think will take years of intentional practice to perfect. The modern woman could very well be a “wife” if she would stop feeling entitled and begin to understand the true concept of love which is a servant’s heart and sacrifice on both partner’s parts.

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Katya November 21, 2011 at 02:31

What sucks about this article is that I am the women who wants to be a wife: a devoted partner- and I can’t find one guy that is looking for that. I’m looking for someone interesting to share a life of poverty with and maybe a few laughs- not a wedding. I could care less whether I have a wedding. What frightens me is that I might not have a marriage- a partnership. I would prefer the journey to begin at marriage not end at marriage. Unfortunately, things are looking pretty bleak. I’m attractive, 22, love to cook and clean. My dream is to work part-time and have children. I want a simple but complete life. I want to support and take loving care of a sweet, working-class type of man. Despite that, guess what? Still can’t find a guy.

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E K November 25, 2011 at 18:46

Katya,

I have two sons who are 20 and 22. Both have excellent jobs – one is a software engineer, the other a R.N. Both are virgins and both are looking for a wife just like you.

If you are serious, I will connect you with them.

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Chris December 4, 2011 at 19:41

Katya,

It is great to know there are women still out there like you!

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so very much true December 25, 2011 at 13:09

as a straight man i would have to say, if there were not so many filthy whores and lesbians out there today, just maybe men like me would have met a good straight woman today to be with. i certainly cannot blame myself, since many of them have turned out to be filthy garbage now.

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Jon December 30, 2011 at 23:09

Who cares. None of this (life) matters, anyway. We’re all living a strange lie. Quit trying to over-think and simply live the lie. Marriage is unnatural, yes, but so is most every element of our lives today. If both participants understand this fact well, marriage and the ensuing rewards are possible.

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Jon December 30, 2011 at 23:17

Gauging by some of the up-voted comments, the majority of the readers of this blog hold pre-19th century values regarding equality. Less pain is better, believe it or not.

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Father Marker March 1, 2012 at 02:38

Hey Jon you just keep swallowing them blue pills my friend.

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Sudo Coder March 2, 2012 at 01:17

“Wives are made, not born”

I totally agree with this. I am a foreigner studying in US and where I’m from, girls are taught to cook, clean, serve guests, etc, from adolescence. Girls are actually taught “Home Economics” as a course in high-school. In general, family and societal values and standards facilitate the making and transformation of a girl-child to a wife, so much so that wealthy families who have house-maids sometimes decide to put their female children through boarding schools so as not to “spoil” them by having other people do their chores for them. When one is raised this way, it becomes a default behavior and the difficulty would then lie in doing otherwise. For instance, I recently went out with some friends to a restaurant, and after the meals, when the waiter came over to pick up the dishes, I subconsciously assisted him to stack up the dishes and passed it to him. My friends were surprised by this and had to ask what I was doing. But the irony: I still tipped 20% for the extra service!

In addition to responsibility, a woman who remains virtuous is what is termed a “wife material”. This is one of the esteemed compliments to a woman.

I’m completing my masters program this semester and will be a working woman soon. But, coming from such a background, I have plans to strike a good balance between my career and taking care of my family and home when I’m married.

The laments presented in this post and its comments are understandable and justifiable considering the norms here in US; however, I would like to dispute any comments that asserts that “wives” do not exist because they do – you just have to search better and wider. The search for a good wife is a search for a good life, and it sure is worth the quest!

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Buck March 8, 2012 at 02:54

We as men have shirked our leadership responsibilities in favour of electing women as the unnatural leaders of society e.g. – the likes of a Margaret Thatcher that had to go into mother mode bitching since this is a woman’s natural form of leadership towards children / boys. “Game” was mentioned in one of the posts – it sickens me that men have become so weak they have to lie & plot like women to “score”. “Game” means u have to be unauthentic and it would help if you swear a lot as this seems to impress women to think they are dealing with an alpha since it seems u say whatever you want. Instead try instilling real values back into society and become your authentic self. “Game” is destructive to our society. We get tattoos so we may look like the “bad boy” that women like, we use foul language and when our women follow suit we dislike it. We are and always will be the leaders in that we shape future generations and society – start today by being authentic & accountable…. only then do you have the hope of becoming a real man and not a play one.

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calchick April 30, 2012 at 21:35

LOL! I’m a woman in her late 40s, a grown son, divorced, married again, and I can in all honesty say that this article is spot-on! Unfortunately, a lot of women live in some kind of dreamland that married life should be and will be EXACTLY the way it was when she & hubby were dating or shacking up. Then there are those women who think their husbands WILL NEVER look at other women again, and those who will keep their husbands on very short leashes and put forth ludricrous demands(he cannot be on Facebook but she can; he cannot go out with his friends, but she can have girls nights out; she can have male friends, but heaven forbid if he has female friends!) Then of course, if he is a bit of a player type, there’s always those familiar words coming out of the bride-to-be’s mouth: “But I know he will change once we get married…you’ll see!” These poor, deluded women actually think these type of guys will change. For a marriage to work, there has to be REALISTIC expectations of each other. And you need to really take a good look at the person you are considering marrying and ask yourself if you can live with them. If you have the slighest doubts that you cannot, and it looks like this person will not change or has a desire to change, then better to not marry at all than to head to divorce court later on.

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absolutely right says August 8, 2012 at 11:58

i am a STRAIGHT MAN that had been married at one time, but my wife CHEATED on me. i was a very good husband at the time, and i was very caring and loving as well. i never CHEATED on her, and i had no reason to especially that i was very happy with my life. i was even hoping to have a FAMILY to, but that never happened. he turned out to be the FILTHY WHORE that i never knew, and so you can see clearly why i am very UPSET. now that i go out a lot, i seem to meet the LOW LIFE WOMEN instead of the DECENT ONES. it seems so many women these days are just so VERY ROTTEN, and they are nothing like the women were in the past. so now to meet a REAL GOOD WOMAN for me is very hard, since many of them today have their SHIT DON’T STING OF AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM, and many of them THINK THAT THEY ARE ALL THAT. what LOSERS that they are today, very sad.

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youssef September 4, 2012 at 16:46

joust me

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JLK September 18, 2012 at 10:01

WOW! I bought into marriage and love as in Snowwhite. I was the wife every man and friend asked “do you have a sister”. My husband gave me the opportunity to stay home with the children, which was a dream come true for me. I took care of him, our children, the home, everything. I was raised that a husband is the head of the house. I am submissive by nature and probably nuture. I even got a part time job to help out financially, that I could take the children with me too. My husband took annual men only vacations and I never took any without the family. He woke up everyday to breakfast in bed, lunch made for work and dinner was ready when he got home. He was never denied sex or affection, I ran all his errands, washed the clothes, did the yard work, cleaned the house, I didnt let myself go etc… When he got laid off I doubled my work load to help the family while maintaining my responsiblities to my family. I didn’t walk out or demand anything more. I loved my husband, my family, my home, my life. As I was cleaning out the boxes and putting things away from my husbands old office job I discovered he had been cheating on me. Explain to me why this “knight” after 10 years of marriage went out and was cheating on me. Explain why he was having numerous affairs but one long term affair(where he even asked this woman to marry him even though he was very married to me). As it turned out he was never faithful to me, even during our courtship. He didn’t love me at all just the concept of me. The concept of the “Snowwhite”.
Just as there are women out there who will never make good or great wives there are men out there that are just as bad and will never make a good or great husband.
Just as you do not believe Snowwhite exist neither does the valiant knight. Disney did a great job in fooling all of us.
I do believe in love and I believe in marriage still. My grandparents are 95 and have been married for 69 years. For as submissive as my grandmother may be, my grandfather doesn’t try to dominate her. He treats her lovingly and with kindness. The way he looks at her and does for her is pure love. And the way my grandmother has loved her husband and family is a blessing and he sees her as a blessing and is thankful to God for everyday that they have had. They have had struggles. They have survived the deaths of 2 children, cancer and loss but their love has never waivered. I’ve often thought, they just don’t make men like that anymore and many of you believe they don’t make women like that anymore.
Time has healed all wounds. I forgave my husband after our divorce. Funny how he still wants me back. I guess the grass wasn’t greener on the other side of the fence and all he found was a field of poop that he was neck deep in.
I know if I ever marry again I will be the same wife I always was. I will still do for my husband and children. I still believe men should be the head of the house( it is a tremendous burden; I know this as a single parent who has to be head of the house now in addition to everything else I do).
Marriage is a great institution as long as you are married to the right person, if not you will just feel institutionalized. I hope for everyone that love will heal all wounds and maybe you will give true commited love the opportunity to bloom again.

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jane2424 September 25, 2012 at 05:12

Maybe there are few wives out there but what about the husbands??? They want their women to do everything now.
Clean, take care of the kids, look beautiful and WORK
If there were husbands that would not REQUIRE a woman to WORK
maybe their would be proper wives.

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JustDishon October 23, 2012 at 19:12

Absolute crap-hola!

So youre going to stereotype all women based on a country they live in….unlike our countries to the east we believe in human rights! It’s no one’s place to control another human being because of skin or an appendage but I guess in this case a lack there of. As a Christian- African -american woman, I have to say that as a Christian I use the bible as a guide on how a woman is suppose to carry herself in marriage. As an African American female, I know how important it is to be strong, confident and determined.

I’m cant necessarily say with a definite yes or no that I have some desire to get married because honestly I don’t. The divorce rate in America is atrocious and it’s disgusting how people will stand before G*d and make a vow like that and then will abuse, lie, and cheat on their spouse, the ONE person they are obligated to treat like a decent human being. It disgusts me how people just throw around the “I love you’s” and not mean it, I mean, what the point of saying it if you dont mean it, there are too many men/women in their world for people to just settle for what there right now instead of facing loneliness.

I say, get over it. I know myself better than anyone and I know myself well enough to know that I am not someone that wastes other people time, nor am I someone who takes the marriage lightly. I know marriage is the ultimate sacrifice of self to something greater than just a “personal triumph” when

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JustDishon October 23, 2012 at 19:14

I accidentally hit enter but I meant to erase the “when” at the end and punctuate.

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franko November 5, 2012 at 16:05

there are just too many rotten women out there now as it is, so how in the world would us good guys find a wife? with so many women that have an attitude problem nowadays, it certainly makes it much more difficult.

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How True Says January 11, 2013 at 09:53

with so many low life loser women that we have out there today, finding a good wife for us straight men is very difficult now. the average straight woman now need at least seven different boyfriends, that is one for each day of the week. GOD FORBID, should a woman commit to just only one man anymore like they did years ago. there are not so many good women left, and it seems all the good women have certainly been taken. i seem to meet the very nasty ones with the ATTITUDE PROBLEM, and trying to start a normal conversation with the one that i would like to meet is very hard for me. many women just do not want to be bothered, and they will walk away being very nasty too. i certainly can’t blame myself, since i did not do anything wrong except for meeting the wrong women that i seem to be meeting. now that there are so many women that are into other women, well that certainly makes it even much more difficult too.

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Sarah May 12, 2013 at 20:44

Speaking as a woman, I would love to meet the man who was an ideal husband worthy of the ideal wife depicted in this article: strong, wealthy, profoundly supportive. To the men reading this, I ask you: Are you prepared to take care of a true wife? I think more women would step up as wives if more men had the courage and cojones to be the husbands God calls them to be.

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Karl June 8, 2013 at 09:47

Excellent article!
What I see in many of the comments is a focus on a lower level of the problem, either individuals or entire gender groups. That is error because that doesn’t address the cause of the problem, merely examples of its effects. The Cultural Marxists staged a major coup when they murdered JFK. Society was dramatically altered and irreparably harmed by that coup. CM social engineering has intentionally destroyed the social order that previously existed, a social order that worked. Very few men or women can now live up to the expectations from the old system, expectations that would have made them desirable spouses to the opposite sex. Men have been actively displaced from access to the jobs that made them good providers. Women have been indoctrinated to believe that the old system oppressed them and that it’s now okay to be a brash prima donna who doesn’t value virginity.

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Bonnie July 30, 2013 at 11:16

looks like i’m a few years late here…but someone quoted this article when speaking on marriage, and i had to find it and read the whole thing. seems like your cynicism is born of an all-too-real problem that exists among women today. in general, i agree with you. but i just thought i’d share with you that i am one of quite a few women who are “rebelling” against feminism. my mother taught me to be a homemaker, a wife, and a mother. my wedding came and went, and it was by no means a lavish affair; i have only been married for 4 years, but i can assure you that i went into this knowing that i was signing up for a lifetime of keeping house and raising children for a man to whom i had carefully and thoughtfully given my heart. and i’m doing that while my entire family and all of my friends are more than 700 miles away. and it is really hard, but just about everything worth doing is difficult. just thought you should know that there are more women out there that can say the same thing, and they are doing their best to raise their daughters to think the same way. i don’t feel for a minute that i made any sacrifice in order to have this life – a career seemed boring when compared with the challenge of re-claiming womanhood. and one more thing…my husband wasn’t looking for a wife, and i wasn’t looking for a husband…we were minding our own business when our paths crossed. maybe you’ll catch a mermaid in your crab-pot after all . i hope you do.

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Colette Chartier August 6, 2013 at 16:24

I was raised to believe a woman should be a good wife, support what her husband’s goals were and to do the household duties and take pride in her home, husband and raise her children to have good standards and respect for others. I married in the 70′s which was a time when media was promoting that women could do it all, be it all, have it all, marriage, family, career and what was termed “Super Mom’s”. Now this is “NOT” what I had signed up for but society put a lot of pressure on women to get out of the home and have a career thus one commercial people may remember went like this, “I can bring home the Bacon, fry it up in a pan and never, never let you forget your a man, cause I’m a Woman”. Now this was the mentality that was being thrust upon my generation to pressure women into thinking that this is what they were expected to do if they wanted to keep their man. The men were Loving it and some would say, “Why should I work, when I have a woman to support me and do my cooking and cleaning and raise the kids too?”. Many men from the 70′s and 80′s became deadbeats. Not only did they not work but when the marriage was over from women being exhausted, frustrated and fed up, they also did not want to pay child support or have anything more to do with the children and moved on, worked under the table or whatever they could to keep from having to take responsibility. Now we have generations of children raised in single parent homes who have no respect for marriage, parent figures or religion because in their world it never worked that way. Dad was not there as the “Head of the household” doing his job of supporting his family or being an example of a “father in heaven” but more like a demon from hell. Drug and alcohol addictions have run rampant in our country, men who will steal from their own mother, wife or even children to get a fix or a free ride. I believed back then in the 70′ that this is what it would lead to. Men do not want to marry a woman who does not have a degree or career anymore because in means more money in their pocket and they still expect the woman to take on the majority of the housework and child raising when people have more now then any other generation, it is still not enough. No one seems satisfied with just enough, they have become greedy and materialistic. If a woman staying at home to care for her husband and family means not getting that new car or boat the man has his eye on then the new car or boat comes first in his priorities. How can a woman work full time and devote herself to a career and her family 100 % too? The bible says that you cannot have two masters or you will love the one but hate the other. A person cannot serve money and God. So women were cheated the same as the men out of getting a spouse they thought would help meet their goals, the good of the family and the children were cheated out of this too. The media and society projects what they want onto us for their own purposes of generating money and as our combined incomes increase, so does the taxes we pay and the other requirements thrust upon us just to survive. Today it requires two incomes just to survive and then both people are worn out, exhausted, torn between two worlds, work and home, and there is no time or energy for the home or family left. If a woman does not have a degree or career these days she is looked down upon by society and also men. This is her earning ability and something she is measured by as being acceptable.

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Rey Ruiz August 22, 2013 at 23:29

Man,after an hour reading all this all I can comment is that I agree with the writter and almost 100% of all of the guys post. I’m a Christian and I was a Dance Instructor in Manhattan for over 11 years and women can really be what we call sluts. It seemed that as long as I was dating my dancer they wanted me like a trophy!! Years later I married, and all she did was speak about having kids and other women wanted me moreit seemed since I was unavailable. After moving to Miami my wife left me for another man two months after my divorce and I was still suffering she was waiting for the divorce papers to marry him! She left me saying,”You we’re man enough to to give me kids” but I had low sperm count. I mean women I think are crazy and furthermore mean. As I Christian I don’t want to just have random sex but I don’t see myself ever looking for a wife at all! They are selfish,self-centered, divious,dark hearted,money hungry,non-God fearing,and always seem to have a hidden agenda devils! I know it sounds harsh but when I look back at when I was Mr.Nice Guy I wish I can go back and slap the day lights out of me and pre-warned my young self. Men,young men,all men,be careful. Be men and if you decide to get married just remember they all have their own hidden agenda for that marriage. Not love,but either security,bearing children,making their college friends jealous, rebel again mom and dad,for money,for papers,oh Lord Jesus,the list can go on and on……..(LOOK FOR THE HIDDEN AGENDA) and take God’s advive: Proverbs 31:3- Do not spend your strength on women, your vigor on those who ruin kings.

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Chris Roberts October 5, 2013 at 08:16

I have traveled to over 70 countries. You talk about western women as if it is impossible to find a good wife. Well…it seems this way. But don’t think women that are not western are any different. There are a lot of bad women in the east too. There are bad women and good women everywhere. Bad people and good people everywhere. You just have to get lucky and find good people. Luck and persistence. It goes for women too. I believe I can find someone who wants to be a good wife and not just have a good wedding. But I agree it is so difficult it may seem like a fairy tale. But It is hard to believe that 0% of marriages are unhappy with bad wives.

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Chris Roberts October 5, 2013 at 08:21

I meant its hard to believe 100% of marriages are unhappy with bad wives. Sorry hangover. lol.

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Sands October 20, 2013 at 15:12

After reading this I do not want to go out with a man again. I med this bloke through a friend, rang me about 10 times a day called up for any excuse, I was not into his he keep asking me out on a date, and I said no so many times. So I asked my friends what to do they said shag him and he will leave you alone, so I said yes to a date he was such a gentleman opened doors would not let me pay for anything. I started to like him but didn’t want a boyfriend. So decided I would go though with it so got drunk thinking it won’t last long anyway. Bring him back shag I am not into sex and never do BJ so he would be out in no time. He brought me wouldn’t have sex until I was sober so ohhh shit this is not going to work this plan. He held me all night and kept kissing me felt a bit strange. He held me so tight and I found trying to go to the toilet hard he wouldn’t let me go and he is a big bloke. After I was sober and squashed he went to give me pleasure but I wouldn’t let him needed to stay in control so he keep trying so he won and man he was so good he had me I was like you bastard you know what your doing he came up kissed me deeply and I really was fighting with myself I think I was falling in love. I had to through him out the next day he went for hours. But I would not answer his calls then he started to give me guilt texts about did I get enough sleep and is my body ok after the amount of sex. I told he lack of sleep was worth it but do not want a boyfriend. After reading all this I am glad do not want to be anyone’s wife thanks for the inside into a mans head

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Abeing October 21, 2013 at 07:43

People who respect women and see them as human beings see them as themselves as a human being, and will want them and encourage them to do anything they want to pursue or do. They are friends with women regardless. In my opinion people male or female or whatever who have this mindset of viewing people regardless of their sex, race, gender, etc. have empathy for others and real compassion in their hearts and I think that is the most important thing we as human beings need in this world. The moment we begin to differentiate and judge based on our differences we reject each other and alienate ourselves and this brings way to dehumanization. Dehumanization is what justifies much of the inhumane torture, killings, destruction of lives, hate, abuse, neglect, inhumane human suffering caused by other humans and even animal torture. The lack of compassion people have represent the numerous amounts of cruelty in this world. No ones lives should matter less to one with compassion in their heart. To be compassionate is much more important than one may think yet it is a simple thing to do.

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Abeing October 21, 2013 at 08:34

And any relationship regardless if in a marriage, romantic relationship, or friendship shares Love. Love is a true thing that brings us together as people and it comes from compassion. Love has no boundaries and as the Bible says “4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”–1 Corinthians 13 And I happen to be an atheist but this verse is wonderful and is truly applied in our relationships of any kind with each other whether it be homosexual or heterosexual or transgendered romantic relationships, homosexual or heterosexual marriages, or friendships the most important thing we have. Relationships of any kind provide Love and Compassion. Relationships are essential to our mental well being and is essential to our survival. We are social beings as proven by cultural anthropology and sociology. Our relationships affect us whether we like it or not. To alienate ourselves and think we are but alone on this Earth is a silly thing to do and does not coincide with logic the actuality of things. We are designed to need each other and is in our actual nature. It is how we learn, how we feel, and how we create. And in regards to marriage your spouse no matter if male or female is your life partner. Your best friend who will be with you for years, and it is up to you and him/her to keep compassion and love for each other. Life is a bout compromise after all. The premise that because your wife is a women deems her less is a horrible and fallacious premise. She is human like you are human. One should view people regardless of their gender , sex, race etc. We are humans and love is inside not on our genitals or face but in our minds and hearts and so are the rest of our emotions and thoughts.

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The Real Answer October 24, 2013 at 19:31

It is very sad nowadays that there are so many Very High Maintenance Women that really think that they are God’s gift to men, and they are such Losers to begin with since they have their High Paying Job Now. with the Attitude Problem that many of them have these days, there is certainly Not that good women to meet anymore for us serious men that are Really Looking to find a Good one to settle down with. Women have certainly Changed for the Worse over the years, and they are nothing like the Real Good Ladies that existed years ago when many of them Accepted their men for who they are. most of the women were Very Committed to their men as well, and Money wasn’t an issue like it is today for many of them. It is just too bad that many of us men weren’t born much sooner which it would had been much easier meeting a Good One to settle down with, and most likely would had a family of our own.

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Charis P January 26, 2014 at 00:09

As Carnivore stated, not all of the blame falls on women. I was raised to be a good wife and mother, yet was expected to have sex soon after the first few dates (didn’t happen). Then I got dumped. This continued on and on for years. Watched several female acquaintances get pregnant and trap their boyfriends into marriage, which I found repugnant. Most ended up divorces, but they all found new husbands, who seemed to adore them. Meanwhile, they think they are better women than me because they have been able to score not just one but two (or even three) husbands. Men don’t want a ‘spinster’ e.g. over 30 and never married. I was even told that men would prefer a woman who had been divorced because ‘at least he knows that some man wanted her’. Sick world we live in. I believe in a man being head of the household, and don’t want to ‘retire’ by the act of getting married.
Was willing to work at home, love to cook, clean and nurture. But you men preferred the seasoned and experienced female, as I learned, the hard way. I now have to watch everyone who did everything wrong and un Christian, get everything right in life. They are the ones now paying for their own now grown daughter’s exorbitant weddings, complete with a new crib for the already born grandchild, also at the wedding as an honored guest (without whom there would be no wedding in the first place). Mom taught them well….I wondered where it all went wrong…was born in the wrong century.

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Jill January 26, 2014 at 13:09

Holy crap! You men want to have your cake and eat it to don’t you? Women are expected to cook and clean AND work outside the home. Chose. Are we to be wives or co-providers? Personally I want to be a wife. I want to cook and clean and care for children and raise them to be decent human beings and put my heart and soul into my home and family. However, I am expected to work. So now I’m full time housewife, full time college student until I graduate and then I am expected to be full time house wife and full time wage earner. You want a woman to work and earn income to raise the standard of living for your household? GREAT! Understandable. Split the cooking and cleaning with the wife 50/50. If you expect her to “act like a man” than you need to be prepared to “act like a woman”. You want her to stay home and do all the traditional wifely duties that are quickly disappearing? GREAT! Understandable. Don’t expect her to earn a living. Don’t complain, call her lazy or ask why she doesn’t “get a job”. Seems to me the problem isn’t the attitudes of WOMEN but the EXPECTATIONS of men!

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Dude February 4, 2014 at 09:40

“Bitches aint shit, but hoes and tricks.”

Well said Dr. Dre, well said.

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