Stimulus Supported Jobs Employing Women Set To Disappear

by Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech on October 4, 2010

The current recession has been called a “mancession” because men working in the private sector lost their jobs, whereas women – mainly working in government and quasi-government jobs – had their jobs protected.  The stimulus provided funds for women’s jobs, which kept these women employed.  However, the stimulus is nearing its end, so women are starting to lose their jobs like men have.

Last Thursday, tens of thousands lost their jobs when a stimulus supported government job program came to an end. The program provided temporary jobs to youths and “disadvantaged parents”.  ”Disadvantaged parents” means women since government does not provide that level of support for fathers.

The job losses for women will not end there.  States are running out of money, and without the stimulus will not be able to employ the armies of women they do now.  California is the most obvious example, but many other states have their own problems.  It has been estimated that up to 400,000 people working at the state and local levels of government could lose their jobs — If things get bad enough which is likely, it could be a lot more.  Since government jobs are held primarily by women, this means women will be losing their jobs.

Another reasons government layoffs could be much worse than 400,000 is that government workers are unionized and there are byzantine rules governing such layoffs.  For example, the state of New York is having trouble figuring out how to select 2000 people to be laid off because of this issue.  However, there is a solution that will likely be used: lay off everyone and rehire people as needed, similar to how Reagan fired the Air Traffic Controllers during their strike in 1981.  Again, since women make up the bulk of government workers especially at the state and local level, this means that not only will lots of women lose their jobs permanently, but many more will lose their jobs for an extended period of time waiting to be rehired.

All of these factors will conspire to create lots of unemployed women.  What will these women do? Perhaps they can go on Craigslist and offer their services for odd jobs such as cleaning up dog poop. Another possibility is prostitution. Already, rental postings on Craigslist are offering free or low cost rentals in exchange for sex.There has even been a case where a woman traded sex for gas. These examples happened despite the fact that prostitution is illegal.  These are serious possibilities for soon to be unemployed female government workers.  After all, being a government drone doesn’t provide a lot of experience for the productive economy.

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Zammo October 4, 2010 at 13:34

Since government jobs are held primarily by women, this means women will be losing their jobs.

Zammo shrugs and finds himself a cold beer in the fridge. Beer anyone?

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Snark October 4, 2010 at 13:42

Anyone with the most basic grasp of economics saw this coming a mile off.

And it’s the truly dense thing about the left; the most dense thing of all.

They do not have a fucking clue how the world actually works.

For there to be public sector jobs, they must find a source of funding outside the public sector since these jobs themselves do not generate money. I.e. taxation of businesses and individuals working in the private sector (those working in the public sector don’t really get taxed, they just get paid a bit less).

And yet while the left pursues increasing numbers of public sector jobs, they also, simultaneously make it more difficult for people in the private sector to make money; drowning them in red tape and equality legislation, or by diverting a stimulus package back into the public sector and ‘jobs for the girls’.

So just where is the funding going to come from for these state sector jobs?

Just where do you think your paycheques coming from, girls?

I don’t think I have ever seen a more affecting example of feminism eating itself. NOW demanded that even more tax-dependent jobs be created, while simultaneously shrinking the tax base. Nice work, morons. That’s how you get from a hecession to a shecession in one simple, myopic move, and the latter is going to hit a lot harder than the former. Once again, women have made their own beds, but they shall fully expect us to lie in it.

Not bloody likely.

I wonder if Hanna Rosin shall soon pen an ‘End of Women’ article? Their gloating is about to bite them in the ass. About time they realise that iron laws are called that for a reason.

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 13:46

PMAFT,

Yes!! In fact I thought of commenting on your blog as soon as I saw the news, but you were one step ahead.

Of course, this will cause Obama to push for the ‘Paycheck Fairness Act’ as a substitute. I almost want him to try, as it will be an example of real overreach that could prove fatal.

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 13:47

Their gloating is about to bite them in the ass.

Even the gloating would be disinclined to bite into such a withered and flabby ass….

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 13:51

Here is a small website that is working to abolish alimony :

http://www.abolish-alimony.org/

Maybe we can reach out to them, and offer moral support, and get some guest article content written up here.

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Herbal Essence October 4, 2010 at 14:06

This is encouraging, but I’m not going to start celebrating until I see flabby-assed cubicle drones and former Women’s Studies majors begging for change on the street. The GOP is going Feminist, so we can’t count on them to serve as a “hedge” against new wealth redistribution schemes.

Cue the Democrat Party asking for more bailout funds to states in 5…4…3…2…

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Keyster October 4, 2010 at 14:12

For a woman, the idea of being lowered in status, not to mention economically exposed to a life of destitution, is catastrophic beyond all measure. Men can imagine living in their car or outdoors, scraping up food as needed. To women this is like death, as it portends a very dangerous life among the creatures of the night. Who’ll protect them?

There’s this giant swath of former workers just barely hanging on right now. Where will they be in 2 years? There will be a supply/demand inbalance in the sex trades soon. Save your money. Those government jobs aren’t coming back. Stay tuned for some hard core austerity measures

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Paradoxotaur October 4, 2010 at 14:15

Zammo- I’ll bring a couple extra lawn chairs.

Women are tending to not file for divorce during the mancession, and men are avoiding marriage, for whatever reasons. If I were in a crummy marriage and unemployed for a year or so, it might not be such a bad time to file for divorce . . . If your wife is a public employee who might lose her job, you might want to consider filing sooner rather than later, while she still has demonstrated earnings to base her support obligation on.

An acquaintance of mine lost his job (actually about three jobs in a row), went from home owner to renter, and then declared bankruptcy. He then went through a divorce. My impression was that he timed it pretty well. As shockingly misogynistic as it may seem, his wife actually had to get a job to support herself, and insisted that he share physical custody of their children. Just food for thought.

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Beltain October 4, 2010 at 14:15

At a party recently I was noting that over half the men were unemployed while over 90% of the women were government employees. Admittedly I live near a State capital so the numbers of government employees is expected.

What I found amazing was that all of these women thought their jobs were secure and so were their pensions and each of them insisted they “produced” for the economy.

Although any rational person can see whats coming in the end I don’t think the mangina Obama is gonna shut the bailout stimulus down yet. Keeping his female supporters employed will prove to important. They will add to the deficit to keep paying these women as even if they let them go the taxpayer will still be paying for them.

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Alte October 4, 2010 at 14:18

Since government jobs are held primarily by women, this means women will be losing their jobs.

It is not only that. Not only do women make up the majority of public-sector workers, they are less likely to perform mission-critical jobs like running power plants, military, sewer treatment facilities, driving snowplows, firefighters, police, high-priority doctors (i.e. surgeons rather than dermatologists), etc. Teachers aren’t actually mission-critical, except as a tax-financed babysitting service.

From The Telegraph:

Women could endure a disproportionate amount of pain from the forthcoming spending cuts due to making up the majority of the public sector workforce, they claimed.

Experts warned that women would likely be hit hardest by the cuts as female workers make up a large proportion of back-office, clerical, caring, catering and temporary work.

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Paradoxotaur October 4, 2010 at 14:24

Re: “Perhaps they can go on Craigslist and offer their services for odd jobs such as cleaning up dog poop. Another possibility is prostitution.”

Back when Craigslist had a section for Erotic Services, the number of postings for the SF Bay Area spiked during college semester breaks. The women posting these seasonal ads seemed to be in their early to mid twenties. It was really something to see so many college-age women hooking to scratch up some quick cash. My general impression of the public-sector cubicle drones is that picking up dog poop would be a better bet than prostitution, as it’s unlikely they would be competitive against college-age women in the latter market.

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SingleDad October 4, 2010 at 14:24

I have had a stridently feminist friend for years that I discussed these matters with. She, of course, has always thought I was crazy when I bring up issues commonly discussed on sites like these.

Well, it has all come to bite her on the butt. She is now in her 50′s, no child, lives with a boyfriend that has to send all his money back to his ex for back CS or he goes to jail.

So I just hired her to literally pick up the dog poop from my yard.

She is thrilled to get the work.

She still thinks she’s better though me, it’s part of their being.

She really doesn’t do that great a job at it but the price is low and I hate picking up dog poo.

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ReaderLon October 4, 2010 at 14:30
greyghost October 4, 2010 at 14:35

I wouldn’t start sucking your dicks just yet fellas. There are a few headlines and day to day reality scenes we need to see. This is when the real recession starts. So far we have been skating by on fake money. The fake money is gone and the 2 years unemployment is done. The housing incentive is done and the cash for clunkers is done. 250k people with fake jobs are unemployed today. Oh yeah and taxes are going up and the american people are still parroting the tax cuts for the rich shit. This generation of women is really going to pay. The men are beat down and not in the mood for the bullshit. (Think of some unemployed former impowered bitch coming to one of us for a hand out. Still with the entitled attitude “I can’t believe these little men won’t help a single mother and child”) And besides all of that the women have no clue how to do any thing. This generation of women today can’t cook,clean,take care of a husband,or even comfort a child. I give it 2-3 months and start watching the main stream news again. Should be a lot of good family entertainment.

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 14:36

The good thing about globalization is that it does force the tax structures of various nations (and states within nations) to be competitive.

In other words, raising taxes by 3% in America in2011 would be far more prohibitive than a similar rise in the 1970s. China, India, and Eastern Europe were not competing for business back then, but are now.

The tax structures of states like CA and NY, which still aspire to host the HQs of major industries that other countries are dying to wrest away from us, are VERY uncompetitive. The penalties are being felt, and the reduction of govt. spending that is absolutely necessary is soon going to happen. A reduction in feminism happens simultaneously.

Places like Texas are relatively more competitive, but still suffer from US Federal taxation that is higher than the level needed for global competitiveness.

Globalization is the enemy of feminism. In more ways than one….

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 14:38

greyghost,

Male unemployment really cannot get any worse than it is now. Every man I know is doing 30% more work for the same or lower pay, vs. 3 years ago. Companies cannot afford to cut more men.

To the extent that more job losses follow, it will be not just women, but those women consuming taxpayer resources and acting as a burden to the US economy.

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Avenger October 4, 2010 at 14:58

Wasting money

Another problem we have is that we focus major attention and money on what are really minor concerns. Health care is one of them and I suppose the reason is that females are the ones who are mostly concerned with this. It’s really a form or neurosis to be obsessively concerned with every little ache and pain that are normal in life and believe you need a battery of expensive tests and constant medical attention. We’ve basically indulged a bunch of spoiled neurotics(and their kids) while practically ignoring a man’s real problems. Few people under 50 even need medical attention (the acturarial tables will show this)except for accidents and the rare disease. All kids need are innoculations and any person can tell just by looking at a child if they’re normal for their age but apparently females are so insecure and neurotic that they need a doctor to tell them the kid’s normal. Routine tests are a waste of money when a patient has no signs of anything wrong. They only confirm what a doctor may suspect when presented with symptoms. You could do away with most of the drugs on the market today and it would have no effect on disease or life expectancy.

There’s no reason to control drugs for adults or spend billions on agencies like the DEA that only end up violating people’s constitutional rights and restrict everyone’s freedom. All of these draconian controls really spring from the Female and her excessive mother hen instinct in “protecting the children” (it seems that’s the pretext for violating adult’s rights) People have survived since the beginnin of time without drug,tobacco or alcohol laws and the world is still here.

Then we waste a lot of money on cops and courts for frivolous charges of rape, stalking, domestic violence or just things that are not even crimes (like hurting a female’s feelings) which of course are jacked up into something that may be a crime like harassment.

I can go on and on but as you can see it is the female who is draining money(men’s taxes) from society for frivolous reasons.They spend all of the money and pay practically nothing in taxes. They drain all of the benefits.

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 15:05

I can go on and on but as you can see it is the female who is draining money(men’s taxes) from society for frivolous reasons.

Absolutely. 80% of all government spending is a transfer from men to women in one form or the other. SS and Medicare are the biggest transfers from men to women.

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Herbal Essence October 4, 2010 at 15:08

Avenger-”All of these draconian controls really spring from the Female and her excessive mother hen instinct in “protecting the children” (it seems that’s the pretext for violating adult’s rights)”

I agree with every word you say in your post. Well put.

But unfortunately, the draconian controls employ zillions of authoritarian males who make money and get a hard on by beating up on other men. As has been said, the Ruling Class (mostly men) takes advantage of women’s herd mentality and emotional histrionics to maintain the status quo and dilute the power of upwardly mobile men.
Women would just be whining to a brick wall if a whole lot of men did not live for the opportunity to cater their every whim.

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Ragnar October 4, 2010 at 15:16

Very interesting thread although it’s not what I’m most interested in.

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Zammo October 4, 2010 at 15:25

Zammo- I’ll bring a couple extra lawn chairs.

Good idea! I’m going to watch this whole thing unravel and not lift a finger to help the damsels in distress.

Bed.
Made.
Lie.

It is absolutely true that a woman considers loss of home (bought, rented, whatever) as a fate worse than death. I’ll bet that Craigslist is getting quiet pressure to restore their adult services section. And where might that pressure come from? Desperate women willing to sell the last bit of seriously declining value they have – their bodies. Hey, if she’s cute, I might surrender a sawbuck ($20) for a blowjob. But I’m going to drink a lot before I pay… not because I need to be drunk… because I want her to work extra hard for that 20 bucks! Ha!

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 15:28

SingleDad,

She really doesn’t do that great a job at it but the price is low and I hate picking up dog

If you really want to fight feminism, find a Mexican willing to do the same for lower pay, and use that leverage to armtwist her down to an even lower rate. Even if it does not save you much, the symbolic satisfaction would be great….

Do it for the guys here who have been ground to a pulp by misandry….

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Malestrom October 4, 2010 at 15:28

Of course, as Snark pointed out I think most of us have been expecting this for some time.

Have no doubt however, that when women begin losing their jobs in much faster than men it will be a massive problem in a way that men losing jobs much faster than women never was.

The ”womancession” will go down as yet more evidence of how much worse women have it than men, while the preceding mancession is quietly forgotten about.

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tom47 October 4, 2010 at 15:31

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Uncle Elmer October 4, 2010 at 15:47

On the positive side at least we’ll be seeing better fare down at the nudie bar.

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scatmaster October 4, 2010 at 15:49

zammo: you made be laugh. I am on cardiac medication which means my third leg takes some extra strong milking. I would pay fifty to have some biatch get lock jaw trying to get my rod stoked and smoked. Not a chance.

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Rebel October 4, 2010 at 15:52

I fear that men will have to pay for women’s lost jobs.

I expect fathers to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I expect men to be accused of rapes.
I expect men to be subjected to forced labor.
The onus will be on us.

What else would be new?

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Richard October 4, 2010 at 15:54

“There has even been a case where a woman traded sex for gas. ”

Like, gas for her car, or did the guy take her to Taco Bell for lunch?

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J. Durden October 4, 2010 at 16:04

This turn of events makes me wonder what will happen to the public credentialing institution, aka, “higher learning” in America.

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njartist49 October 4, 2010 at 16:05

In my opinion, the sequence of government layoffs will be as follows:
1. White males
2. White females
3. Other non-black race males then females
4. Black males
5. Black females

We will probably see levels of government bureaucracy become increasingly Black and female.

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tom47 October 4, 2010 at 16:21

There’s no way we’re not going to see “equal opportunity” layoffs – no way. On top of which female unemployment will just steal attention from male unemployment – it will just be one more “injustice” for women.
On the positive side however we may get hit by a giant meteor! Again, when was the last time you saw a feminist dinosaur?

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Avenger October 4, 2010 at 16:29

As has been said, the Ruling Class (mostly men)

But it’s the lower class men who take jobs as cops,IRS and DEA workers. If as little as 1% of the men just told them to go to hell there would be nothing they could do about it esp. in a heavily armed country like the US.

@Tombolina47- who says the world has to end? We can just end the world and comfortable lifestyle of females and the bureaucrats who cater to them. Did Russia just disappear when the USSR was disolved? No. They just wrote a new constitution and called it the Russian Republic. People like you have no knowledge of history and think like children. You see a country and life as it is today and think it always existed when in fact the world has always been in chaos and change. What you see today can be completely wiped out and people will just go on and create something new. There’s nothing sacred about the US Constitution and if a new government was formed they’d just write a new one and this time write some protections into it for men.Any precedents, Supreme Court twisted decisions and anti male legislation will just be thrown in the garbage and we begin anew.

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Avenger October 4, 2010 at 16:36

I fear that men will have to pay for women’s lost jobs.

I expect fathers to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I expect men to be accused of rapes.
I expect men to be subjected to forced labor.
The onus will be on us.

What else would be new?

Rebel: the government doesn’t have the manpower to enforce anything if even 1-2% of the men opposed them. All they have are cops and maybe the national guard and most of these guys who now have safe jobs like being cops wouldn’t like the job or be so brave if they really had to fight armed men.

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Avenger October 4, 2010 at 16:39

Rebel: what do you think would happen if 10% of the men went to their bank tomorrow and withdrew all of their money?

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Anonymous Reader October 4, 2010 at 16:44

J. Durden
This turn of events makes me wonder what will happen to the public credentialing institution, aka, “higher learning” in America

There’s clearly a bubble in higher education, with far too many credentialed institutions chasing far too few students. The reason college costs so much is that the Feds will loan “free” money to 20-somethings in order to prop up the economy. Never mind that the majority of college degrees now are worthless or nearly so.

Already students can rent textbooks. I expect the next step will be textbooks for iPads or other readers, with copy protection, possibly time-expiration.

Many topics can be taught on line, or via programmed learning. In some enormous state uni’s there are 400 students in a classroom, taking lecture from a TV screen and tests from a Scantron form. There’s little difference between that experience and doing the same off of a disk or online.

So I suggest that colleges and universities are overdue for consolidation…

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Peter October 4, 2010 at 16:48

Yep, I could see this coming a mile away.

Think of some unemployed former impowered bitch coming to one of us for a hand out. Still with the entitled attitude “I can’t believe these little men won’t help a single mother and child”

I always love how women get thrown together with children automatically. It’s funny that the feminists blather on about gender being a social construct but then they sell their bullshit by saying “Think about the children!”… by which they mean, think about their mothers. In that circumstance, they have no problems about women being automatically assigned traditional gender roles like motherhood. If gender is a social construct, then what automatically dictates that it’s “women and children”? Why not start assigning custody to men by default? We know why, of course…

It’s just like any conversation about poverty, which has been re-branded as Child Poverty. What households are poorest, of course? Those of single mothers, thank you very much.

I used to think, before being exposed to the Roissysphere/Manosphere, that single moms were the victims of cruel men who debased them and used them. Of course, this can’t be further from the truth. Single moms are either stupid sluts who choose to get impregnated by the thugs they love, and surprise, the violent thugs beat them and leave them. Or they are entitled middle class twats who decided to divorce their husbands out of boredom but keep the gravy train coming. Either way, they get what they deserve, and why should I give a shit about their kids? They’re not mine.

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Herbal Essence October 4, 2010 at 16:53

Anon. reader-”There’s clearly a bubble in higher education, with far too many credentialed institutions chasing far too few students.”

Yes, higher ed is a huge bubble, and when it comes crashing down that will put some serious hurt on Feminist and Leftist propaganda machines. The hard sciences (which actually produce workers employable in the private sector) will still be viable programs.

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tom47 October 4, 2010 at 17:03

@Avenger
A little humor doesn’t hurt does it?
I do understand where the ” things have to get worse before they get better for us” argument comes from – I also understand the “starve the beast” argument. Do YOU understand however that we are 49% of the population and there’s no reason why we should have so little influence in the politics of this country? I am not advocated ’60′s style activism – I know what date it is – but look at the Tea Party and it’s decentralized approach and how it’s scared the shit out of BOTH the republican AND the Democratic Party!
How is it possible that activism works for everyone else but not us? Really I’ve said this before and I don’t mean to harp on it – the gay population is 1.5% of the population and they NEVER lose a court case – NEVER don’t get what they want – and practically OWN the airwaves! Are they so creative just because they wear their underwear backwards? We are 49% of the population!
And the best we can do is wait for things to get worse.
And by the way – people like me have seen movements explode and take off overnight. I remember the ’60′s and when the world changed overnight. That was a different era – but things reach a critical mass and explode! We can use sites like this to create that critical mass and that explosion! Instead we just piss and moan.
It’s not the New World Order or the Illuminati or the Bogeyman that holds us back – it’s us!

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Gunn October 4, 2010 at 17:05

Similar things happening in the UK. Here, the former labour government created over 1 million new public sector jobs during its 13 years in power (!). The new government has indicated that it sees 25% spending cuts being necesssary to bring the UK deficit back in line (taken at face value, this would suggest somewhere between 750k – 1.5m public sector jobs, probably closer to the lower number however).

As in the USA, the bulk of these job cuts will hit women, and as has been formerly reported there have been legal challenges brought by feminist groups who believe that these cuts constitute sex discrimination as they hit women more than men.

The predictable response from the government has been a public declaration to crack down on tax avoidance (which is legal) as well as tax evasion, in an effort to limit spending cuts as far as possible. Needless to say, this isn’t working out so well as they are finding that their budgeted tax increases are nowhere close to being met as higher paid people (men, by and large) have responded by either cutting back on the work they’re doing, or getting the hell out of the country. I read a report that indicated for example that the UK government’s actions in increasing top rates of tax to 50% will bring in just one-third of the tax revenue they had hoped for.

The result of this will be a government caught between a rock and a hard place; no scope to increase the tax take, but limited power to reduce spending either.

There are even commentators that suggest that the best way out for the government is to maintain its spending, so as to avoid a ‘double dip recession’. What they don’t point out is that avoiding a nominal double dip recession is straightforward provided you are ok with one in real terms (i.e. you inflate your way out of debt by allowing your currency to fall). This is exactly the plan for western governments today, and one can see this with e.g. the way that the US is trying to force China to strengthen the renminbi. I guess they’re hoping that the sheeple don’t realise whats going on and are content as long as they carry on earning the same amount of dollars or pounds, even if that buys them less and less every year.

The best bet for anyone that is able to do so is to put their money into asset classes that are less prone to such governmental manipulation, and as far as possible take themselves out of the tax system (in a legal way of course).

Meanwhile, I hope that the coming cuts put the fear of god into public sector workers and make them realise that they are public servants , and not the spoilt, entitled brats they have become over the years due to not being forced to be answerable to anyone. That these cuts will hurt women more than men, and groups that gorged on the results of affirmative action policies taken far too far should come as a surprise to nobody.

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tom47 October 4, 2010 at 17:41

Several large companies are presently co sponsoring fund raising drives for the United Way. Some of us maybe even work for them. You know the same United Way that boycotts the Boy Scouts because it won’t allow gay men to be scoutmasters.
What -
If we pick one of these companies and call for a campaign against it on this site?
If we reached out to other MR sites to join us?
If we reached out to sites like Renew America and other Tea Party sites to join us?
If we called for an e mail and letter campaign?
If we threatened a boycott of this company?
If we publicised our campaign?
And what if we did this maybe just as an experiment, to see if we can do it or to gain experience?
Do we have the power to make this company change policy ?
Will we gain recognition for our effort ?
Will we gain mass from our efforts ?
Will we even make the effort?

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Traveller October 4, 2010 at 17:59

As already noticed, of course the State will consider female unemplyoment much more important matter than male’s.

So, expect more dangerous measures: government will stop in front of nothing for women.

As already noticed, the corrupt and incompetent Western goverments prefer raise taxes instead of eliminating public parasitism.

Confiscate by law money in bank accounts is the easier way to have ready money for them, so I suggest prepare to really get away money from banks, keep handy a small amount of cash, and for those who invest, speak with your banker about which funds are shielded from confiscations (depending of law in your country).

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by_the_sword October 4, 2010 at 18:04

Already, rental postings on Craigslist are offering free or low cost rentals in exchange for sex.There has even been a case where a woman traded sex for gas. These examples happened despite the fact that prostitution is illegal.

Illegal for men, not for women.

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Alte October 4, 2010 at 18:25

It’s not the New World Order or the Illuminati or the Bogeyman that holds us back – it’s us!

I agree.

Furthermore, I think we need women more actively involved. Not in order to convince other women (that’s pretty hopeless), but to convince other men. I left the Spearhead for a while, and spent some time writing on other (more mainstream or Christian) sites. I’d seen men write similar things to what I write, and instantly get slammed by the other guys. But when I would write it, they’d all perk up and agree. “Oh, yes. That seems very sensible. These are things we should all be earnestly discussing.” Etc. etc.

At first I was surprised… then I wasn’t. White knighting in reverse, I suppose.

I was just thinking about this when I looked over at the Slut Shaming article. Someone complained “You (and men other men here) need to get over your own feelings of inadequacy and insecurity and stop the blatant sexism.”, and was countered with the fact that the author (and a large portion of the commentariat) is a women.

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J. Durden October 4, 2010 at 18:28

So I suggest that colleges and universities are overdue for consolidation…

Really, I hope they (mostly) just go away and we revert to a system that employs based on merit rather than credentials. An idle day dream, I know.

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Alte October 4, 2010 at 18:31

I mean, what are they going to say? That we’re gay? That we’re bitter because we can’t get laid? That we live in our mommy’s basement? That we’re jealous because we’re fat and ugly (even if that were true, it now applies to the majority of women, so the sting is gone)?

What can you say against chaste, middle-class mothers?

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Thag Jones October 4, 2010 at 18:47

Alte,

I’m not a chaste middle class-mother (a mother, just not the other two things). They’d probably call me a hypocrite, but that OK with me. Who cares what they say? They say all sorts of things that aren’t true so no doubt they’d think of something – probably along the lines of calling black conservatives “uncle Tom.”

tom47,

What should we do? Have rallies? (It’s a serious question, not taking the piss).

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greyghost October 4, 2010 at 18:50

But unfortunately, the draconian controls employ zillions of authoritarian males who make money and get a hard on by beating up on other men. As has been said, the Ruling Class (mostly men) takes advantage of women’s herd mentality and emotional histrionics to maintain the status quo and dilute the power of upwardly mobile men.
Women would just be whining to a brick wall if a whole lot of men did not live for the opportunity to cater their every whim.

Herbal Essence the guys that are with the MGTOW sect can watch the action. The whiteknights will be beating the hell out of the mangina’s and the guys that think we are all crazy for saying this about women. And then there are the wanna be alphas that think they got too much game to have a bitch turn on them. The whiteknights are ready to collect from them and the femminist will be there to collect from their knights.
MGTOW will have a huge effect right now. Only wish we had that male birth control pill. The next 10 years are going to be fun.

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Alte October 4, 2010 at 18:58

Laura Grace isn’t a mother either, but you know what I meant. It’s harder to shame women than men nowadays. Isn’t that one of the things the guys on here always complain about: the Pussy Pass? Can’t we use it to promote our own ideas?

Heck, I’m even black, so I’ve got a Minority Pussy Pass, which is practically unbeatable. If anyone disagrees with me, I’ll just say they’re a misogynistic racist. :-)

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Omnipitron October 4, 2010 at 19:11

I’ve got a question; would there not exist some tipping point where if a certain amount of men in a company where fired then the company may as well close it’s doors?

I completely agree that the government and companies will try to shield women from unemployment while sending men to the dogs, but what if by doing so past a certain point means the end of the company?

Should we not see some companies push back or will they comply and watch themselves fade into obscurity as whatever competition which is left overcomes them?

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Wulf October 4, 2010 at 19:15

Is there a beer named Schadenfreude?

I’d like a keg to celebrate.

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greyghost October 4, 2010 at 19:34

One more thing I forgot about. My first job out of the marine corps was as a manufacturing equipment maintenance technician. It was high tech manufacturing making disc for hard drives. If you got real good in an area you may not get promoted because they would lose in the area you were in. It was a strange thing I watched happen to a couple of guys. It got around to happening to me but the good side was I survived the lay offs.
Women are also in charge of these gov. jobs too. To save themselves they will keep the people that actually get it done. If it looks like they can still aford to keep the women on for reasons of fareness to women they are gone too.
Omnipitron had this to say

I’ve got a question; would there not exist some tipping point where if a certain amount of men in a company where fired then the company may as well close it’s doors?

I completely agree that the government and companies will try to shield women from unemployment while sending men to the dogs, but what if by doing so past a certain point means the end of the company?

What happens is they just move production overseas. The high quality stuff that can’t be produced overseas is made here. Regulations like quotas on gender and race have more of an effect than I think even the tax rate on business cost.

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greyghost October 4, 2010 at 19:35

Woman are actually going to get cut this time the money is gone

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anonymous October 4, 2010 at 19:44

Let’s see here:
House paid off…… Yep.
3 of my 4 cars paid off…..Yep.
All the conveniences of modern life?……..Yep.
Fridge full of food?……….Certainly.
Do all the tasks of taking care of myself, my house and work full time? Yep.

What do I need a woman for again? You better bring something to the table gals besides sex and that rancid attitude is all I’m saying because many men don’t need you. We do quite well on our own. I in fact know plenty of guys that could support a woman and a family on their own yet don’t. So when that’s brought to light then maybe, just maybe we might give you a chance. But until then, keep up with those lists of requirements you seek in men as I’m sure they’ll be trying their best to meet them……………………NOT!

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Peter October 4, 2010 at 19:53

Official figures from the Office for National Statistics show that almost two thirds of public sector workers are female.

Unison officials on Sunday warned they would mount legal action against any employer found to have discriminated against women and not carried out impact assessments before cutting jobs and public services.

Dave Prentis, the union’s general secretary, said officials would “not stand back” and watch equality improvements be “undone” by public sector organisations who “cut jobs indiscriminately”.

I’d say the best part is the Orwellian use of the word “equality”. See, if 2/3 of government workers are female, then laying off more women than men… well, that’s not equality, is it? It’s oppression!

I guess they mean “equality” in the context of the greater patriarchal gendercide against women. Those poor, poor women, who must suffer doing non-physical pretend work in air conditioned offices on flex-time. Some of them even have to work in offices without windows! Oh the humanity! But if they don’t like that, they can go on “medical” stress leave, but the hated patriarchal oppressors only give them 70% of their wage as payouts if they do. Misogynists!!!!!!

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tom47 October 4, 2010 at 20:08

@Thag Jones

tom47,

What should we do? Have rallies? (It’s a serious question, not taking the piss).

Rallies aren’t needed. An e mail – public outcry campaign would be enough. Companies are hurting they don’t want to be targeted. An issue like the Boy Scout would get others involved, maybe even some “grizzly mammas”. We could network, gather forces and attack. It’s a device to let others know we’re on the scene. Am I the only one who see that? We’re trying to reach critical mass.

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tom47 October 4, 2010 at 20:24

@ Thag
If we:
Announced on this site that we were calling for an e mail campaigne against XYZ because of their support of the United Way
Stated the reasons for the campaigne – to denouce the sexism of an organization that discriminates against half the children in America.
Asked for the support of all parties of like mind.
Contacted all parties likely to support us.
Announced to whoever in the MSM or Talk Radio our intentions.

Would the CEO of that company not be bombarded with e mails or letters or whatever?
Would they not give in?
Would we not be noticed?
Would we not have “arrived on the scene”?

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 20:37

tom47,

The most bang-for-the-buck tactic that we could do is :

1) Create a simple flyer like “Why do 4 times as many men commit suicide as women? Go to http://www.the-spearhead.com” or “Why do 20% of men undergoing divorce commit suicide? Go to http://www.the-spearhead.com“.
The suicide point is important as it has to jolt people.
2) Go to a convention center on a day that a big conference is being held.
3) Tape this flyer above the urinals in the men’s room, where women can’t see it. Men who have to pee HAVE to read the flyer.
4) If the flyers are gone after a day, go back and tape more on the second day.

Such flyers will be seen by thousands of men in a single day. High-income career men who are stressed out, know that something is amiss, maybe even know a guy who killed himself, but don’t have the time to read up on it. If just 1 out of 100 men actually goes to the site and reads up, we can still increase awareness by thousands…. Those guys will post flyers on their own, etc.

Manginas might tear down the flyers, but at least you pissed off a mangina, and added to his workload. Making manginas buckle and collapse under the weight of their pedestalization is a large part of us succeeding.

That would be the single biggest impact thing that we can do, discreetly, without risking our careers.

I should do a formal article about this, as a call to action.

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tom47 October 4, 2010 at 21:01

@TFH
Not to be a smart ass or anything – since you’re obviously a heavyweight here – but I’m talking about attacking a gaint company and you’re talking about running for student body president!
By the way sneaking into a convention – past security – and “defacing private property” sounds a lot riskier than writing an e mail. “Don’t worry Ralph, it’s the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog”
Time for this old hippie to curl up in the basement and candles out. Later.

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Rebel October 4, 2010 at 21:12

@TFH

I like your idea.

More can be done, using the same flyer(s).

The Web

Make the flyers viral.

Then millions will see them.

Youtube.
Facebook.
Twitter.

Billions will see them.

This is a tide that no one can stop.

Computers and communications signaled the beginning of the collapse of the Soviet empire.

…History keeps on repeating itself. (under different guises).

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TFH October 4, 2010 at 22:37

By the way sneaking into a convention – past security – and “defacing private property”

There is no sneaking. Post the flyers in the men’s rooms outside of the ticket gates (where most of the high-traffic lavatories are anyway). Observe where the restrooms are in a convention center the next time you are there – you will notice that a major one is outside of the restricted ticket-only areas.

This is the fastest, cheapest way to plant a seed in the greatest number of male minds.

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Lavazza October 4, 2010 at 23:30

TFH:

A Swedish MRA site is encouraging its readers to print out its message and post them like that.

http://genusnytt.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/fler-lappar-att-skriva-ut/

The suicide line is popular.

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Lavazza October 4, 2010 at 23:50

MRA and anti-feminism is getting bigger in Sweden. Most days 2 or 3 such blogs are in the Top 10 for traffic.

http://botd.wordpress.com/?lang=sv

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fondueguy October 4, 2010 at 23:52

““Why do 20% of men undergoing divorce commit suicide?”

Huh?

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fondueguy October 5, 2010 at 00:11

Lavazza October 4, 2010 at 23:50 MRA and anti-feminism is getting bigger in Sweden. Most days 2 or 3 such blogs are in the Top 10 for traffic.

Yes I have been noticing Swedes unexpectedly (since their not in the anglosphere). Great news though, are there any MRA sites with many Swedes that still use English? Im guessing there’s alot to learn from their experience and coordination with them wouldn’t be bad.

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Alte October 5, 2010 at 06:27

I was actually thinking we might do something like the Maryland Catholic Conference does. They have an “Action Alert” system, where you give them your email address and location (for MRAs the country and state would be the most interesting information) and they monitor the state and national legislatures and send out alerts whenever a bill comes up that affects their members in that area. The email usually contains the basic information about the bill, the email addresses of the relevant representatives, and suggestions of what to put in your own email to the representative.

It’s very effective because it is regular and constant, and each member is identified to their representative as a voter with a real name and address. It’s basically a semi-automated letter-writing campaign. Representatives sign a lot of bills, and many aren’t even read or discussed because they think their voters don’t really care. If you make it clear to them that voters are watching, they are more likely to take notice themselves. It wouldn’t even have to associated with the Spearhead in any way.

It would not be entirely anonymous (it’s ineffective to write anonymous letters) and requires a reliable staff to do the monitoring, but that’s basically how the unions, suffragettes, feminists, and LBGT communities get so much attention.

Another thing is writing letters to local newspapers and church bulletins. You can easily reach thousands of people that way, including some people who don’t spend much time online.

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Anonymous October 5, 2010 at 07:36

I hate to see anyone lose their job. However, I am in favour of a huge reduction in government and the civil service. It doesn’t matter whether you are talking Canada or the USA, government in both countries has become bloated and corrupt. I will vote for anyone who will reduce it.

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Lavazza October 5, 2010 at 08:04

fondueguy: Pelle Billing used to write in English on MND. I think he has cut back on his posting in English.

http://www.pellebilling.com/

He has been in some conferences and has been published in some mainstream media and he has also been interviewed in TV, news papers and television.

Pär Ström of Genusnytt has been more in TV. He is employed by a conservative/centre right think tank, but I think he runs his blog more on his spare time. They are both quite low key. Ström has a slightly more aggressive approach and has slightly more aggressive commentators.

Tanja Bergqvist also has quite a big following. A part from her blog she writes for a liberal/libertarian magazine. She teaches mathematics at the university of Stockholm and she uses a lot of references to mathematics and physics in her satirical posts about the weird gender studies research in Sweden.

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Lavazza October 5, 2010 at 08:07

Aktivarum and Medborgarperspektiv/Medborgare X are blogs in similar vein. Matte Matiks’s blog is also worth mentioning.

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fondueguy October 5, 2010 at 08:25

@lavazza

http://www.pellebilling.com/”

It’s Time to Start Negotiating. My God he makes his points so succinctly. It is simple but great advise and really should strike a node with even non-mra’s.

Thanks I gotta post that elsewhere.

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fondueguy October 5, 2010 at 08:32

“Love is free. Romance is free. No money is needed for two people to talk, kiss or make love. Everything that we have been made to believe is necessary for romance (flowers, expensive dinners, an expensive car, an expensive wedding) has no natural connection to either romance or love. And by the way, have you noticed what gender has decided what to call romantic?”

-http://www.pellebilling.com/ It’s Time to Start Negotiating

Good line!

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I can Haz Equality? October 5, 2010 at 08:40

Well, the scariest thing to me is how the government is dedicated to helping the female collective while putting the male collective in it’s place. That ontop of how they simply dont understand the basic economics that even a 10 yr old boy can comprehend.

Anyone who has every collected baseball cards or comic books knows two things, scarcity and supply and demand. Or the more you print the less it’s worth, whether comics or money.

Great article PMAFT! I really can’t wait until the system crumbles and huge numbers of women are in the streets. The scariest part though is how this could turn out for men. The female herd is almost always protected, while men at the top are too but the ones on the bottome aren’t The omegas or undesirables are almost always either used as cannon fodder or just rounded up and killed. With a collapsing system there will be a power vacuum, and the real question is who will fill it. Will it be MRas or bible thumping conservatives or will feminists make a move for more power and start rounding up the undesirables(men) and executing us or putting us in work camps? If that happened guys, we could end up freedom fighters like those during WW2….scary huh?

Anyways, these issues need more attention, especially among younger men so I have decided to create a new blog and I need submissions.

If you can’t tell from my writing it’s me, the troll king.

here is my new site, and it’s non-nudity and meant to be a more professional blog, unlike my personal one….so I was wondering Bill, PMAFT, Paul Elam, EW, snark, and others…can I publish some of your older articles with links to your sites and the spearhead? Maybe even create a backlog of 101 type articles?

Here’s my new site:

http://icanhazequality.blogspot.com

I have been really busy lately and haven’t been publishing much on my own site, so I am not looking to be a daily publisher on the one above, but soon I will be doing alot more writing on both sites.

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Anonymous October 5, 2010 at 08:44

Anonymous wrote,

“What do I need a woman for again? You better bring something to the table gals besides sex and that rancid attitude is all I’m saying because many men don’t need you. We do quite well on our own. I in fact know plenty of guys that could support a woman and a family on their own yet don’t. So when that’s brought to light then maybe, just maybe we might give you a chance. But until then, keep up with those lists of requirements you seek in men as I’m sure they’ll be trying their best to meet them……………………NOT!”

I could support three maybe four families. Instead I’m living as a single man who enjoys watching football, and not having a woman give me shit because I didn’t clean up some mess or didn’t kowtow to her every wish and demand.

The worse things continue to get I’m sure the govt. will come up with some new and interesting ways to go after single guys hoarding their money.

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tom47 October 5, 2010 at 09:52

@Thag Alte
Maybe we should just accept the facts. Hanna Rosin is right – men lack the social and networking skills to survive in the modern world. Except to organize armies to kill other men we are not capable of collective social action. There is not now and never will be a real Men’s Movement – we lack the ability to create one. We are in fact poised for the end of men.

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Alte October 5, 2010 at 12:41

No, Rosin is just full of shit. (pardon my French)

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Lavazza October 5, 2010 at 14:27

fondueguy: Maybe Pelle Billing is a lurker here. He just published a post in English:

“Mens’ Right Manifesto

Men in every civilized country have the right to claim:

1. That paternity be routinely established using DNA testing.
2. That an established paternity automatically enable the same rights and responsibilities as an established maternity.
3. That the default arrangement after a separation be joint legal and physical custody of any children; only to be changed if the parents voluntarily decide to do so, or if one of the parties be determined unfit to be a parent by a court of law.
4. That women’s shelters receive no government grants unless they are transformed into human shelters, where all victims of domestic violence can get the help they need (women, men, children).
5. That all human shelters be run professionally, under the same strict standards as those of other social services.
6. That the military be staffed by people who apply voluntarily, and who receive a fair and reasonable compensation for the risks they assume.
7. That conscription be used only for extreme reasons of national safety, and that such a measure be gender neutral.
8. That the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” be upheld at all times, including allegations of rape or sexual harassment.
9. That gender research be as free from ideology as any other academic field.
10. That male expendability be recognized as a major gender issue.
11. That boys be allowed to be proud of their coming manhood.
12. That schools recognize the needs of boys and the learning styles of boys, so as to give them a fair chance of performing well.
13. That men’s groups be given the same legal and practical opportunities as women’s groups to obtain funding.
14. That male sexuality be portrayed in a positive and encouraging manner.
15. That male circumcision only be legal for adults who voluntarily choose this kind of surgery.
16. That prisons be organized in such a way as to prevent rape and other forms of assault.
17. That meritocracy be the governing principle in the labor market, and that all forms of affirmative action and gender quotas disappear.
18. That misandry be opposed just as vehemently as misogyny.
19. That all legislation discriminating against men be made gender neutral or removed.
20. That the historical sacrifice of the male gender role be recognized to the same extent as the historical sacrifice of the female gender role.”

http://www.pellebilling.com/

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Herbal Essence October 5, 2010 at 15:10

Tom47- “men lack the social and networking skills to survive in the modern world.”

I disagree. I think men are phenomenal at those skills in a career-related environment. Men completely dominate the creative and social media side of my industry (advertising and marketing) Our problems, in my opinion, comes down ultimately to a lack of men who have even heard of these issues.

Other problems include:
1. No funding from public and non-profit sources like the Feminazis get.
2. An extremely hard-headed and violent opposition in the form of White Knights and Manginas.
3. A multi-pronged, decades-long effort on the part of women to dominate gender issues.
4. The famous herd mentality on the part of women, and the tendency of modern men to follow along so they can get a whiff.

I think the women are a lost cause. They’re not going to change until the pain of changing is less than the pain of staying the same. We can reach more men. I’m kind of in transition right now in my personal life and career. But I am active in social media, and I plan to be much more active offline once i get my ducks in a row.

I think our aim should be to create, rather than a “movement,” a network with lots of loosely collaborative cells, sharing information. I think a loose network is better than one big movement because you’re not going to have so many ideological disagreements.

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fondueguy October 5, 2010 at 15:35

@tom47 October 5, 2010 at 09

BS. How many men have followings on websites they’ve created, blogs, popular channels on YouTube, make creative productions and videos? I dont buy that men arent suited For this kind of social world. Then there’s other modes of mass communication like music, art, and photography which also has many males. While we are not women I think if we only gained some self awareness we would do just fine in shaping things the way want.

Even stuff that doesn’t appear to be social, like gaming, actually is social. I don’t know why boys are hurting so much in today’s world and what exactly we need to do to improve it but its interesting to note that they do really well in single sex classrooms. Despite all the crap going on outside the classroom (modern world not suited for men… and misandry) they do very well in single sex classrooms. I wonder if its because they find good and supportive bonds in there which allow them to succeed.

We used to have social clubs where men would get together and talk about their personal concerns. Now days we don’t really have that… I don’t think the women/wives are too keen on any “boys club”. Men are dominated by women today.

Also, how are men’s unique skills in this world not important. Take for instance understanding and using technology, it has more men and is not exactly a dying profession.

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fondueguy October 5, 2010 at 15:40

@Herbal Essence October 5, 2010 at 15:10

Ya, we basically had the same take on that (too bad I don’t see your post :P ). “Creating” is what we should emphasize on men.

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fondueguy October 5, 2010 at 15:57

“Lavazza October 5, 2010 at 14:27
fondueguy: Maybe Pelle Billing is a lurker here.
He just published a post in English:”

Or Lavazza=Pelle :P jk

Can you give me a little context on him and his site? I’m guessing his following is international but with alot of Swedes.

That timing is really funny especially since we were talking about boader international communication “Men in every civilized country”. :P

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David Collard October 5, 2010 at 16:06

Don’t say things like “men are dominated by women today”. That is bad propaganda, and I doubt it is even true. I don’t live in America, but it is clear to me that there are plenty of American men who are not dominated by women.

My advice would be not to talk men down, and not to overstate the problem. Also, don’t assume the word is not getting out. Male-friendly ideas are out there, and moving through the blogosphere. I watch plenty of American media, and while there is some obnoxious feminist material, there is plenty of good stuff too.

Attack feminists where they are weakest: on their hypocrisy. If you want to annoy a feminist, remind her of her feminine attributes, her feminine mind, and her sex’s historical ineptitude. And for God’s sake, don’t adopt PC-speak and feminist language.

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tom47 October 5, 2010 at 17:43

I’m writing this on the cuff so pardon my spelling.
Every now and then the truth just hits you in the face. For me the truth hit me when I realized just how far from a real movement we are.
We have no Friends list of sites and organizations we can call on for a co ordinated effort.
We have no Announcment list to send out word of our efforts, no other sites, no other groups, if fact we have no groups.
We have no outlets in the real world – not in the media – not on campus – not even on talk radio.
We have no national organizations of any kind.
We have no fund raising of any kind.
We have no voice in the nations political life at all – none, not even on the fringes.
We have none of the things that even the most insignificant and minor group of people have in the way of any kind of “movement” what so ever , and we are 50 percent of the population!
The best that we can come up with is moving out of the basement into the men’s room and sticking up posters!
There is only one conclusion:
Hanna Rosin is right!! We lack the social skills to live in the modern world. We belong in caves and trees. There is no other way to explain how we could be around for this amount of time and acheived nothing what so ever without accepting that conclusion.
Think about it, what else could it be? Women can’t do math and we have no social skills. Hanna Rosin is right! It’s really that simply. I’m not just being sarcastic either, I really mean it. There is simply no other explanation. I feel like a complete idiot having argued anything else. I now except the fact that the best we can do is comfort each other with reassurances that we are not the only ones to feel the way we do and to see the thing we see, and to figure out ways to survive as best we can.
I repeat Hanna Rosin is right. We are obsolete, we are not needed, and we lack the ability to function in the modern world. It’s just the way we are. Why not just admit it. Even Jeniffer Aniston knows we’re useless!

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Anti Idiocy October 5, 2010 at 18:42

@Thag: “They’d probably call me a hypocrite, but that OK with me. Who cares what they say?”

I remember back in the 70s and 80s, if a woman questioned or disagreed with some hatred spewed out by a feminist, the response was “You’ve been duped by your oppressors!”

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David Collard October 5, 2010 at 19:20

tom47

I suspect you are joking, at least about Jennifer Aniston. Jennifer Aniston would be a nobody if she didn’t look good. Any brains she may possess are purely optional. I am certainly not going to listen to anything she says, on anything.

Men will never be redundant. The only reason women are able to speak at all on the Internet is because we men kindly invented it. Men are far more creative and inventive than women. Some women sometimes make a good contribution to intellectual fields invented by men. That is all. The only strong contribution women make to society is to bear children.

As for social skills and understanding. The best psychologists, writers and public communicators are male. I used to think that women had the edge verbally, but even this is in doubt. The list of really good female fiction writers is surprisingly short.

The reason there will never be an organised men’s movement is because men will always be seen as fundamentally in charge. Which we are. The most effective strategy is to point out the hypocrisy in the more ridiculous feminist claims and demands. The girls have got a bit out of control. Remind them on which side their bread is buttered, and they will behave better in due course. I am optimistic.

Men have been “written off” by idiots like Hanna Rosin for decades. What she wrote could have been written one hundred years ago. There is always a “crisis in masculinity”. Because, as someone wrote here recently, unlike women, men are more than their sexuality. Men have to invent themselves. And go on re-inventing themselves.

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Anti Idiocy October 5, 2010 at 19:52

Oh, the irony.

I’ve read several articles by women celebrating the collapse of the manufacturing and construction industries, because so many men losing jobs has led to more women than men having jobs. The workplace has become feminized; women have become empowered. What these nitwits fail to realize is that those men’s jobs, jobs in which people actually make things, made women’s cushy jobs with the government possible.

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Herbal Essence October 5, 2010 at 19:56

David-”Because, as someone wrote here recently, unlike women, men are more than their sexuality. Men have to invent themselves. And go on re-inventing themselves.”

I tip my hat to you, sir. Well put.

A woman’s pedestal is made of men bending over. It’s time to stand up.

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tom47 October 5, 2010 at 20:30

@ David Collard
I read a Wikipedia article on liberalism which I can’t find now. It stated that one branch of liberalism believes that “Society is a collection of groups competing for dominance” that’s the best I can remember. In that context there is no justice, fairness or equality, only an equilibrium between the groups. It’s a question of “what’s good for us is good”. Surly you must see that in this “competition for dominance” our success is sorely lacking. I have no doubt that men have brains and brawn, which in the present and coming era are useful for ,working in coal mines, beating up other men as police, inventing better dildos for women, along with birth control and artificial insemination methods, but this does not insure us any place or status in society.
I came to this site as a result of the Hosfstra University false rape accusation. When the accusation was shown to be a lie the female DA stated that the accuser “may’ be prosecuted. Two weeks later the same DA refused to prosecute the accuser, referring to her as a “deeply troubled young women” and gave her 100 hours of “community service” instead of jail time, but she was not charged or prosecuted. This same DA had no trouble running for Attorney General of the State of New York. There was no backlash or protest of any kind against her. Two weeks later I had a Google alert for “Artificial Wombs” and three weeks later I found this site.
I’m sure you’re familiar with the idea of Intellectual and Emotional intelligence Recent comments on this post have lead me to the conclusion that Hanna Rosin is indeed right. Men lack the Emotional Intelligence to compete with women in the modern world. We may be smart, we may be strong, but we can not compete for dominance with women in a world where social skills and networking are the keys to success. If you look at the plans, strategies and suggestions made by men on this site it is very clear that we have no clue. Not to see that political and social activism is the only possible solution to our situation, and that as 50% of the population we should not be in the position we are in, can only be explained by an inherent, hardwired ignorance on our part. How else not to see what every other group sees?
At this point in time to have nothing that even vaguely resembles a movement, to have no political significance of any kind, and to be in the position we are in, we must either be completely stupid or simply defective in some basic way. Since I don’t think we are stupid we must be defective. So in all seriousness I have to except the “men don’t get it” argument. Not only do we not get it but we’re incapable of getting it, it’s just not how we are. Brains , brawn , yes, social skills no. Again look at the arguments that prevail on this site and look at the resistance to any suggestion of social or political action.
Hanna Rosin is right, men can’t compete in the modern world. The fact that we have no idea what that means proves it.

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David Collard October 5, 2010 at 21:23

tom47

I do fine, thanks. As I just said on David Alexander’s Beta Railfan site, after 25 years of marriage, I still get my shirts ironed, my meals cooked, and my cock sucked.

Plenty of men do fine. You refer to inane inventions. Men invent everything. Women wear the clothes men design, read the books men write, and are fucked the way men want to fuck them. You think men are socially dumb? I can play my beloved wife like a violin emotionally. Learn a little “game”.

The only thing that women getting a “pussy pass” proves is that deep down people think women are not really adults.

I have a message for feminists too. Secretly, all men (even “liberals”) laugh at you. And if we seem to fear you, that is because you are like rabid dogs.

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CashingOut October 5, 2010 at 21:41

@ tom47

You disgust me, down to my bowels.

Look, I’m not going to front, I’m a real pessimist when it comes to the men’s rights movement, OK? I would not dare march out in public with an MRM banner, not just because women would act in concert to sanction and villify me publicly, but because after getting my ass kicked publicly, I don’t believe that any men in my vicinity would act and give a helping hand to me after getting stomped in the mud. I’m not talking about the “fight my million dollar legal battle before I call you a movement” thing, like someone else brough up on the topic of “this isn’t a movement.” I mean the basic “look, HR ran me out of company X for espousing my anti-feminist beliefs, brother can I get a job shining shoes here while I get on my feet” helping hand. I’ve been around various MRA forums, and I have to say that what zed calls the circular firing squad is 100% correct. I’ve been to too many places where you have men jumping on other men for any reason whatsoever, to be anything other than pessimist about this thing. I have literally heard men sit and talk about how an integral part of men’s rights is how they should be allowed to sleep with 10 yr old girls, how MRAism should take a page from apartheid, how we should be emulating criminals. There is no shortage of garbage trying to get under the MRA umbrella.

However…

That does not take away from the legitimacy of the people who really are trying to spread a message, it doesn’t affect the legitimacy of the message being sent. That is to say, men aren’t bad, men are good, men make the world go round, women aren’t men, and women need to respect men and go back to being women instead of half assed attempts at men. This is a valid message, and one that is spreading. We may not have a leader, a meeting place, a political party, or any of that, but as was mentioned in the “We need a Spartacus” article, we may not need any of that. It may benefit us that we don’t have any of that. By not having a central head, and working in concert, we provide too many targets for reminists to squelch one at a time. Look at other movements that had heads, like the Black Panthers and Muslims. When their heads were arrested and/or killed, they became ineffectual, or taken over by other movements. Here that cannot happen, because everyone’s MRAism is self propelled.

Reading these articles, I’ve come to the conclusion that there are always going to be jackasses on about something other than the truth. However I believe that when it comes right down to it, the only MRA movement that really matters is my personal one. If I realize that women are liars, that the system is stacked, that the legal system is bull, that I shouldn’t get married, and the best way to be happy around American women (or women period) is to not deal with them. then the movement is a success for me. If every other person in the world is more concerned with MRA-thug worship and MRA-race baiting and MRA-child boinking bastardization, it doesn’t matter: my MRAism works for me. I’m not going to throw out the baby of a logical belief with the bathwater of everyone not following that belief properly. You can if you want to, but don’t put that on everyone else.

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Gunslingergregi October 5, 2010 at 21:41

””’this means women will be losing their jobs.””’

Wrong

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David Collard October 5, 2010 at 22:53

Men are basically individuals, who can choose, facultatively, to work as a team for a common goal. But men’s goals are too disparate to be encapsulated in a political program. Men are more variable in every way than women. I like women, but they are basically womb-men (the etymology is bad, but the point is made). They are defined by their sexuality.

What the manosphere can and is doing is to give men tools to use, including hope, to improve their own individual lives. I have my own problems, but the male-friendly blogosphere has helped me in practical ways to have a happier marriage. I am certainly happier, and I think my wife likes it too. She is on leave from work at present, and inclined not to cook my breakfast as usual, but I “gamed” her this morning, and she trotted downstairs of her own volition, made and poured my tea, and sat beside me at the breakfast table. What works in the kitchen also works in the bedroom.

I have learned from men and friendly women on the Internet that my attitudes are not necessarily counterproductive or socially poisonous. I have learned practical ways of coping. This has been great. We men don’t need a movement necessarily, not a formal one. We need changes of heart.

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fondueguy October 5, 2010 at 23:36

What do you mean men are too divergent. We’ve helped make all kinds of large overching institutions such government and religion for example. We’ve made more goal oriented institutions too like scientific societies, military, or the great American constitution which was worked on by a group of men.

Bringing it to the individual level is extremely important, but your limiting the options too much IMO when you suggest it is the only way.

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David Collard October 6, 2010 at 01:27

Yes, as I said, men CAN work together for a shared goal. But that does not mean they agree on things other than the goal. Men are good at temporarily burying their differences for the common good. But they are not women, who, as somebody wrote once, all belong to the same trade.

I can’t see a men’s movement developing (a real one that is, not a mangina one). What I can see is individual men making more intelligent choices for themselves, armed with a better model of what women are really like.

I am not an American, but it really seems that you guys pedestalise women. I have never done this, and this has helped me avoid mistakes.

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Omnipitron October 6, 2010 at 06:17

@ Tom47

I hear you when you discuss how sad it looks for the whole MRM, but in regards to Hanna Rosin being right, you are making the same mistake that her and other feminists are making.

That men will have no choice but to lie down and accept the status quo.

For the moment it may seem like we are, but it only seems that way. Since you’ve been to this site before, you already know that more and more men are saying no to marriage and that with men not working there is a growing shortfall in the economy which will cause it’s eventual collapse. This is the deal; Hanna Rosin is only right about how we can’t compete with and overcome women so long as we shut our mouths and continue to row with the slaves at the bottom of the ship.

Let me tell you about Propaganda, women use it not only to bolster up the female ego, but also deflate the male one. Here you are thinking that she’s right, and all is lost. ‘Woe be to men, our time is over.’ That we can be replaced and that we are lucky to even have a battle axe of a wife who treats us like crap, and yes, there are others who think this exact same way.

This is what Feminists want, understand that right now!!

This is the second time I will steal an idea from Migu but he posts some damn good stuff. Fire all of the women in the workforce, what happens? Sure, maybe a few issues, but society could limp along, and in time probably productivity would increase.
Fire all the men (construction, infrastructure, transportation) and society grinds to a halt.

Pray tell WHO is useless again?

Remember that this propaganda, and that is exactly what it is, is meant to have us questioning the relevance of men and our contributions to society. So instead of standing up and deciding not to take it anymore, or even to exercise certain options, men will simply agree to these inane accusations, making a woman’s conquest that much easier. If we are usless, then by having a ‘strike’ as it where, would be pointless since we assume that women don’t need us anyway AND we are lucky to have even the scraps we are being fed.

For the love of God, what do you think it means that if a man wants to speak out about the current situation on media such as You Tube he dresses up like a Super Hero in order to conceal his identity!! Think about that for a second, did we not see things similar to this in Nazi Germany? Going underground and using aliases to tell the truth about the ruling class?

While we may have issues organizing ourselves into a movement like women do, that doesn’t mean that we aren’t making progress. Understand this right now, women had to stand up in order to get society’s attention, men will do the same by simply sitting down and doing nothing.

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tom47 October 6, 2010 at 09:31

@ omnipitron
I’ll say it again – Hanna Rosin is right. This is not the 19th century. The rules of the game have changed. Muscles and brains will not work in this era. Unity and politics will. If we are too unique, diverse and individual to form a real movement and fight for our common goals, then we are seeing the end of men. Politics, politics and more politics is the only solution to our problems. Not to see this is to be blind. There are none so blind as those who will not see, and there are none so stupid as those who think they’re smarter than others. This is not an era of invention, this is an era of sales, marketing and politics. It may not be the way we want it to be but it’s the way it is. Adapt or perish.

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Omnipitron October 6, 2010 at 10:55

I’ll say it again – Hanna Rosin is right. This is not the 19th century. The rules of the game have changed. Muscles and brains will not work in this era. Unity and politics will. If we are too unique, diverse and individual to form a real movement and fight for our common goals, then we are seeing the end of men.

Then there is no collapse at all around us? Men are marrying and there is no blip in in the economy? For Hanna to be right, then this site, MRA’s, and the marriage strike wouldn’t exist. We would just hang our heads and complain about the current set of circumstances, but go off and get married because we don’t have an alternative.

But we do, and it is having an effect, small at first yes, but increasing as time goes on. While no one may be able to see what could indeed happen in the future, this current system is unsustainable , which means Hanna isn’t right.

Politics, politics and more politics is the only solution to our problems. Not to see this is to be blind. There are none so blind as those who will not see, and there are none so stupid as those who think they’re smarter than others.

Politics would indeed be good, but for it to be the only way, nope. Maybe you need to read TFH’s Misandry Bubble to get a real grip on what’s going down. Get this straight; if men do not marry and produce, collapse follows. Women had to use politics to get their message across, are men as savy, nope, and this is of course a failing in us. Men are the lynchpins to womenkinds desires, if we stop, the gravy train also does which isn’t in the best intrest of women. This is something you need to see and understand.

This is not an era of invention, this is an era of sales, marketing and politics. It may not be the way we want it to be but it’s the way it is. Adapt or perish.

Or, simply not get married, and watch the world burn, which it will.

Let me tell you this one more time;

Hanna Rosin is only right if men continue to get married. We aren’t like women who had to marry men they didn’t like for survival, we can survive just fine without them.

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tom47 October 6, 2010 at 11:29

Or, simply not get married, and watch the world burn, which it will.

Let me tell you this one more time;

Hanna Rosin is only right if men continue to get married. We aren’t like women who had to marry men they didn’t like for survival, we can survive just fine without them.

Live alone, die alone, have no children and wait for the world to burn. Certainly a better strategy than common effort.
Pathetic!

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Omnipitron October 6, 2010 at 14:34

“Live alone, die alone, have no children and wait for the world to burn. Certainly a better strategy than common effort.
Pathetic!”

As opposed to getting married, divorcing and losing your house, kids, and living in a ratty apartment or with your aging parents for the rest of your life?

The best you can hope for is that your wife is only partly entitled and thinks she is as lucky to have you as she will undoubtedly remind you about how lucky you are to have her entitled @$$.

If you want to get married and have kids, leave the country. Does it suck, you bet, but what choice does one have? Is it perfect, nope, but weigh it. Pathetic, yeah, but that is the West for you.

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Kathy October 6, 2010 at 17:32

“If you want to get married and have kids, leave the country”

Hmmm. Been thinking of that statement.

Things aren’t perfect here in Australia, but the marriage rate is going up and the divorce rate is declining. (and we have shared parenting laws ) There has also been a spike in the birth rates too.

We are in the middle of a mining boom . That it would seem, will continue for some time yet.Unemployment rate has also fallen to 5.1%

My home state of Western Australian is the engine room of the growing Australian economy.When my husband and I purchased our house 15 years ago it cost us AUD $178,000.. It is now worth $800,00.

Plenty of prospects here for you guys, and you would be most warmly welcomed, too. :)

” Is it perfect, nope, but weigh it.”

Yep, think about it.

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Herbal Essence October 6, 2010 at 17:59

Kathy-
Are you sure Australia is friendly to immigration? I have a Danish friend who has tried to emigrate there for years. No dice. He is a talented professional, healthy, single, speaks English, Danish, and Swedish fluently.

Or it could be he’s not telling me the whole story. ;)

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David Collard October 6, 2010 at 18:36

Kathy is right. It is good for us blokes here.

I am really sorry for you American men. I think you live in an exciting country, and some of you do really well with the ladies. But the Average Joe – not so much. At least that it is my impression.

The women don’t dress up as much here, and they wear less make-up. But we have plenty of cute, unpretentious women. Australian men don’t pedestalise women very much. Also, if you like Asian girls, there are some nice ones here. Vietnamese, Chinese, Philippino.

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Gunn October 6, 2010 at 18:43

I thought Australia is almost as bad for feminism and general misandry as the US, UK, or Canada?

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David Collard October 6, 2010 at 18:55

Australia is not a feminist country. Lots of reasons. Men were literally the majority here until really late – the 1950s I think. Very much a frontier country. Hot, which seems to weaken women (think most Arab countries). Also, Australian society is comprised of (originally) Cockneys, Irish, southern Italians, Greeks, Croatians etc. All pretty socially conservative.

Things like affirmative action just seem unfair to Australians. Also, no African-American population for women to ride on the back of in claims of historical discrimination.

Also, Australians are not so career-crazy as Americans. The sexes don’t compete as much in the workplace. Most of our folk heroes are male. A certain amount of humorous machismo is tolerated in men.

Moreover, and this will no doubt piss a few people here off, Australian men haven’t invented and practised so many really degrading practices on women as Americans. Australian men tend to be fairly straighforward lovers. The weirder shit seems to come out of America. If you don’t believe me, read what the men claim to do to women on the Roissy site. I am 55 and I still learn things from places like that. Some of which I would rather not have known.

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Kathy October 6, 2010 at 20:06

Hmm, not sure why your friend should have been rejected Herb. We have a skilled workers shortage here in the west primarily due to the mining boom. Engineerting , building and construction and tradesmen are in demand. Doctors and health professionals are desperately needed in regional Australia, too.

There is even a shortage of chefs in the north of Western Australia, because of this mining boom. Money is very good, however one must be prepared to work in remote areas. Usually on a fly in fly out basis. eg, two weeks on the job and one week off,( with the company flying employees home for a week.)

My nephew who is in his early twenties, has recently purchased a house here in Perth as a result of the good money he has earned up North these past few years. It’s not something he would want to do forever, but it has given him a good start financially. In a couple of years he plans to get a job back in Perth.

If you are a skilled guy prepared to go regional for a short time, then I believe that you would definitely get in, here in Perth. If you didn’t want to travel to regional Australia, I think that you would still have a good chance if you had one of the skills that were in short supply here.

Here is a link for those interested.

http://www.visabureau.com/australia/western-australia.aspx

As for feminism in Oz Gunn, yes it is here, but not to the extent that it exists in America. Men and women still want to get married.. (where i live)

Having read this site for some time now, I don’t think men are treated as badly here in Australia.(Of course they shouldn’t be treated badly at all!)

Women have more respect for their men here. Well, that’s how it is in the circles I move in.. None of my married friends or close relatives have been divorced.

I live in an outer suburb of Perth, close to the beach (beautiful beaches here too) The pace is much quieter than Sydney or Melbourne. In fact we are often criticized here in the West because we rejected daylight saving and refuse to open our shops 24/7.. Boring they say.Lol! Suits me fine ;)

Better place to bring up kids. Though not perfect of course. Nothing ever is.

David is right about the lack of pedestalizing here too, I think.

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David Collard October 6, 2010 at 21:47

I hate daylight saving, Kathy. New South Wales has it, of course. Every year you have to remember to change your clocks. When I went to Mass on Sunday, a family and a lone man both arrived an hour late. You feel a bit “off” for a day or so as your body adjusts. And all for what? I think it is an idea which should now be retired.

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Lavazza October 7, 2010 at 05:57

Kathy:

“When my husband and I purchased our house 15 years ago it cost us AUD $178,000.. It is now worth $800,00.”

A 50 % loss or a zero missing?

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Kathy October 7, 2010 at 06:12

Ha ha ha.. Lavazza you are on the ball, mate. Never picked that one up.

I inadvertantly left off a zero, yes.

Hey, never was that good at mathematics.. :)

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Alte October 7, 2010 at 08:51

Australian men tend to be fairly straighforward lovers. The weirder shit seems to come out of America.

And the English, but not so much the Irish and Scottish. English and American guys are into some pretty freaky shit. I don’t know what that’s about, but I’ve noticed it, as well. Repressed sexuality manifesting itself in perversion?

At any rate, German guys also don’t seem as crazy that way. I’ve heard that Japanese guys are pretty freaky, too.

And that are all of the stereotypes and gross generalizations that I’m going to support today. :-)

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Zammo October 7, 2010 at 09:05

@ Kathy –

Is there any way to get in touch with you outside of this forum? I actually went to high school in Perth (Guildford Grammar) for a few months and I am curious about opportunities there. I am not married and have no kids so relocation to Australia is something I have entertained over the years.

Yes, I have a technical skill and decades of experience.

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zed October 7, 2010 at 16:19

Australia is not a feminist country.

Things like affirmative action just seem unfair to Australians.

Then how and why did Pru Goward get and wield so much power? The perspective from afar makes it look like Australia is even more feminist than the US. Who has a female PM now?

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David Collard October 7, 2010 at 16:24

Pru Goward is a nobody. We have a long history of female politicians crashing and burning. The female PM, Julia Gillard, very nearly lost the last election because she was so damn unpopular. She now heads a highly unstable government, which is fast becoming a joke.

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Kathy October 7, 2010 at 17:21

David is right, Goward IS a nobody. She has had little influence in shaping the opinions of the women of Australia…

Certainly nowhere near as influential as , say, Dworkin was, in America .

Another one, is feminist harpy has-been Germaine Greer.. Yawn..

Australian women do not give a toss about her or her opinions. Sure, she caused a stir some years ago with her book “the Female Eunuch” (I have never read it btw) but by and large she has been quite irrelevant in this country..( The press here, hate her guts! Lol!)

It’s why she relocated to the U.K. some years ago.

Didn’t get enough attention here.

This old barren, feminist spinster hasn’t got a clue how women tick. She has a low opinion of Australians, and never misses an opportunity to take a shot at her country of birth and its people. Pffft!

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Kathy October 7, 2010 at 17:25
Gunn October 8, 2010 at 01:08

Dumping feminist crones onto unsuspecting countries should be seen as a crime similar to dumping toxic or nuclear waste. I can’t believe Greer is still given the occasional appearance on uk tv, and I normally end up rage-changing the channel when she does.

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alpha October 9, 2010 at 11:55

what will these women do?
well,they may:
find some idiot to rip off(marriage, law suit, whatever)
blame the patriarchy for losing their jobs
write books, make movies, soaps, etc about their “experiences”(and make money when their sisters buy the stuff)
blackmail govt. (and private sector) into gifting them the remaining jobs(such that are left)

they may do a lot other things, but I think I’ll smash my keyboard if I try to type it

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Kris W December 27, 2010 at 18:30

The manifesto Lavazza’s posted seems really, really good(I wonder if I can print out a few copies?).

MRA’s are trying to operate a movement like it is a pirate democracy. History has shown that pirate democracy’s can work only over the short hall(but barely get anything done) and are always weakened by infighting over the long haul, leaving them easy prey to outside aggressors.

A Constitutional unifying approach could limit infighting while prevent severe group think that feminists have. Something simple and to the point.

Something everyone, be they conservative or liberal’s, marxist’s or libertarians can rally behind as a united force. And something that would prevent perverseness from sneaking in.

Every great undertaking made by men had some rallying point. Be it a cry of injustice, strength of a charismatic leader or even a banner.

All those tried and true methods of unifying men into an unstoppable force are painfully lacking in the MRM.

It is said that the Israelites wandered for 40 years in the wilderness, isn’t it time MRA’s move beyond the self-imposed wilderness of fear? It has been almost 40 years now.

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lovelost February 5, 2012 at 09:40

This reminded me of the article written by Roissy’s aka Heariste

Bad economy plenty of poon for betas.

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