Slut Shaming

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by Thag Jones on October 2, 2010

I’ve seen a lot of feminist musings on removing the shame from the word slut, and lamenting the “double standard” that it implies. I think they have it, as usual, perfectly wrong. Once you remove the feeling of shame from “slutdom,” you’re ruined. The fact that some feminists are trying to reclaim and defang the word “slut” shows that there is still at least some shame attached to it. I think it should have more than it does, because this is the root of the problem with the disintegration of the family and the way we are, as a society, slipping into a Sodom and Gomorrah kind of world where anything goes. Oh, I’m sorry, did I use the Bible as a “guilt trip”? OK, let me rephrase for the literarily challenged: Living like apes in the trees is not good for the human spirit, for human creativity, for a higher minded life.

The notion that shame is a bad thing in and of itself is what drives this impulse; certain words have been branded as “negative,” and therefore, “bad,” as if everything negative is bad. Electricity only works with a positive and negative charge. This can be used as a metaphor without descending into false logic – we cannot separate ourselves from the natural world or rewrite nature. Although not overtly the topic of this article (via Dr Helen) on having or not having children, I couldn’t help honing in on this paragraph:

Sad, but in all likelihood, they will end up just like their parents: single mothers with too many children, forced to work two minimum wage jobs and still unable to make ends meet, or, worse, like their irresponsible, absentee fathers.

The author probably doesn’t even know he’s doing it, but this is obvious feminist language when you’re attuned to it. It’s an attempt to reverse the so-called double standard and shame the males in the equation while painting the females as innocent, passive victims. A 14-year-old unwed pregnant girl used to be called a slut. Calling her something else doesn’t change what she is. Taking the shame off her only gives her permission to ruin her life by being a slut – it’s not the baby that ruined her life, it was her own actions, her own willingness to open her legs to some horny 14-year-old boy who had nothing really to lose in the deal.

It is truly sickening to read feminists calling on young women to “embrace their inner slut” or whatever crass nonsense supposedly in an effort to erase the dreaded “double standard.” Sorry girls, but Nature has given us a double standard and no amount of redefining words, easy access to abortion, women’s “rights” and the like can erase the facts of biology and thousands of years of evolution. Shame is a powerful tool and all powerful tools can be misused, but just because a nail gun can be used to kill someone doesn’t mean it can’t still nail down your floorboards.

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NWOslave October 2, 2010 at 08:33

Brittney Spears new line of “skank” perfume, and it really DOES smell like skank.

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by_the_sword October 2, 2010 at 08:33

The feminists and media can try their hardest to justify sluttiness, but what will not change is man’s basic nature to want a woman who is not loose and who will not betray him at the drop of a hat. Sure there might be men on the fringe who are okay with women that mess around a lot but the majority of us will only accept a good loyal woman.

*if we accept a woman at all that is.

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by_the_sword October 2, 2010 at 08:35

NWOslave October 2, 2010 at 08:33
Brittney Spears new line of “skank” perfume, and it really DOES smell like skank.

Smells like fish.

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Ragnar October 2, 2010 at 09:08

Living like apes in the trees is not good for the human spirit, for human creativity, for a higher minded life.

Taking word out of your mouth, maybe . . . – I can’t help seeing this as proof of women never left the animal kingdom.
Human spirit, creativity and a higher minded life – that’s men, and men only!

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Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 09:09

I think even the men who say they don’t mind a “sexually liberal” woman would still prefer one who isn’t if they’re thinking long term. I can’t imagine more than a small minority of men actually wanting to settle down with the town bike. “Maybe this town bike will be different!”

Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 09:15

Ragnar,

NAWALT! Kidding aside, I’d never seen feminists actually looking at bonobo monkeys as something to emulate until recently and that just blew me away. I’d already used that as an insult, and there they were saying “I wish I could live like a dumb primate with my ‘gina in the wind.” WTF!!

There was time, Rangar, when I would have argued with you. That time has passed.

Nemo October 2, 2010 at 09:21

An ancient king was once faced with a rash of suicides of young women.

He ordered that the body if any woman who killed herself would be displayed naked in the public square.

The suicides stopped.

Shame works better on women than on men because women are herd beasts. Women care more about the opinion of the group than their own thoughts or even their own lives.

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Rebel October 2, 2010 at 09:30

To me, this looks very much like “societal suicide”.

I have read that article, too, the one about the bonobos being the future of human females.

It seems to give Zerzan’s “Primitive future” a sense of truth.

Is that what we are heading for?

I would positively hate being a young male today, unless I could find a normal woman somewhere else.

I believe that feminism has truly f*cked us. Deep.

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Carnivore October 2, 2010 at 09:43

Signs of a culture in decay and heading towards collapse – descent into hedonism and paganism.

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Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 09:45

I believe that feminism has truly f*cked us. Deep.

With no lube.

fondueguy October 2, 2010 at 09:56

“The feminists and media can try their hardest to justify sluttiness, but what will not change is man’s basic nature to want a woman who is not loose and who will not betray him at the drop of a hat. Sure there might be men on the fringe who are okay with women that mess around a lot but the majority of us will only accept a good loyal woman.”

Agree. Nothing changes men’s nature but nothing changes women’s nature either. Just look for the ones naturally good. Its not about teaching women to act more loyal or any other alleviation of their own responsibility for their behavior. The bad ones will play games irregardless and trying to “change” them would just be more white knighting.

We do, however, have to make changes so its not so easy for them to f*ck men over.

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fondueguy October 2, 2010 at 09:59

“*if we accept a woman at all that is.”

That’s the attitude. Let them prove themselves.

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 10:03

A harlot is a proper term for a loose woman. There are consequences in so-called sexual liberation, STDs, HIV, unwanted pregnancies. Women murdering their own offspring, either by the hand of their lovers, or by their own hands, or through a medical butcher.

I read somewhere that abortion can cause a woman cancer. Well considering that there’s a lot going on pregnancy first few weeks, and the following first few months.

To a feminists it’s about sex, all males are beneath them. And let me repeat this to you. Feminism is a disease like any other.

Misery flows from feminism. Teaching young people how to fist, drink, drugs, moral relativism. Seducing students, intentionally infecting youths with communicable sexual diseases.

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Cloud October 2, 2010 at 10:03

1.) Mainly women call each other “slut”/”whore”.

2.) Few men want to be in a relationship with a slut because a slut can NEVER be satisfied with just one cock. She’s always looking to continue riding the cock carousel.

3.) These days it’s even more dangerous to be with a slut because the law will require you to pay child support for the child even if it’s not yours.

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Marcus October 2, 2010 at 10:05

I’m sooo tired of the talk of a “sexual double standard.”

That sort of crap statements are only made by people who are incapable of simple logic.

A standard is only ever a double standard when it is applied to equivialent entities. Men and women are similar in many respects, much like apples and oranges, but they aren’t equivialent, much like apples and oranges. Apples and oranges are both fruits, much like men and women are both human. They taste good, for the most part, and they both contain carbohydrates. They look disimilar however, taste different from each other, and are eaten in wholly different ways. When you use them in cooking, they’re more often than not used in different ways. Their contents are different too, etc etc etc. It is the same with men and women; they are similar in many ways, but NOT equivialent.

If one were to compare a red apple with a green apple however, one could say they’re equivialent. They look very similar, and though their tastes might be different, both STILL taste like apple. Their contents are pretty much identical, and they eaten and used in pretty much exactly the same way. If one were to apply two different standard to red and green apples, THEN it could be called a double standard, because they’re equivialent. Men and women aren’t though, so having different standards for men and women amounts to only that; different standards, NOT a “double standard,” FFS…

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Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 10:12

misterb,

They start in on ‘em young. It’s a disgrace.

typhonblue October 2, 2010 at 10:15

her own willingness to open her legs to some horny 14-year-old boy who had nothing really to lose in the deal.

orly?

Child support, or never seeing his kid, or possibly being pressured into sex he isn’t ready for yet, or being forced against his will(if he doesn’t want a kid and she does) into the biochemical changes he will undergo to prime him for fatherhood which strikes me as a form of rape…

All these things are ‘nothing’?

In all awareness that this is going to get downvoted… maybe sluttiness isn’t the problem, maybe women screwing around without thinking about the negative consequences for other human beings on this planet is the problem.

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Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 10:21

typhonblue,

I did think of qualifying that statement by making clear that the average 14-year-old boy isn’t thinking that far ahead, whereas the average 14-year-old girl surely knows that she may end up pregnant and lumbered for life, or however you want to phrase it.

Your last paragraph seems to contradict itself – you pretty much describe what sluttiness is there.

Ragnar October 2, 2010 at 10:23

Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 09:15
There was time, Rangar, when I would have argued with you. That time has passed.

Hehe there was a time when I felt insulted by the idea that civilisation is made by men only. Something inside me was going “but . . .”, but there was no good argument against it and women kept proving that it’s true they do not belong to humanity!

Humanity is software (culture) passed on from father to son. Karl Marx somehow missed it and saw all people as a group of independent monkeys waiting to be herded by him and his ilk. Men proved him wrong – we just need to wait till this indsight spreads. ;-)

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 10:24

@thag jones

I read your blog thoroughly. Nothing surprises me. It is a disgrace, I tried not to cuss, its hard not to.

I wonder if the old man aka my father, who happens to be pastor, a 75 year old pastor. is right. He states God is angry at the world. he allow things to happen. One creepy note, he mentioned that half of the human population will be destined for the lake of fire.
the same dude who doesn’t tolerate female pastors.

Anyways the whole child beauty pageant contests still bugs the hell out of me. Geez, I mean why would a mother would turn her own daughter into a fluff. So she can get some flakey glory.
Few women have brains in their casing, not to enroll their daughters in that horrible thing.

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typhonblue October 2, 2010 at 10:26

whereas the average 14-year-old girl surely knows that she may end up pregnant and lumbered for life,

Then society/school/parents are failing that poor 14-year-old boy (what a surprise) by not explaining to him the meat-hook realities that await him should he choose to become sexual.

She has access to effective birth control; he doesn’t. She has access to abortion/adoption; he doesn’t. She can demand he pay up while removing him from his child’s life; he can’t.

The consequences for her(if she doesn’t CHOOSE to have the child) are mainly some inconvenience(on the order of a few weeks of sickness plus a minor surgical procedure) vs. the end of life as he knows it for him.

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Rebel October 2, 2010 at 10:28

” Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 09:45
I believe that feminism has truly f*cked us. Deep.

With no lube.”

Oops… I didn’t hear that…lol!!

Kidding aside, I am still wondering :what is (are) the true reson(s) that justify that type of behavior?

What on earth can justify such a conduct?

What do they gain from it?

Why is feminism so gung ho on whoredom?

I thought that women’s lib’s goal was to give women a better stand in society. Instead, women are now more and more associated with misbehavior.

What is so cool or “empowering” in doing that?

They want to “punish” men?
Punish them for what?
Who are they really “punishing”?
(no “pun”).
What do women attain in antagonizing men?
Is it still about “revenge”?

Do you know why the Israelis hate Persians?
Because 5000 years ago (or so), they were held in captivity in Babylon. Is that crazy enough?

It’s like hating the Italians because Julius Caesar conquered Gaul.

Are women going to hold a grudge on men until the end of eternity?
Because of what might have happened a million years ago?

Pure madness.

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typhonblue October 2, 2010 at 10:31

The consequences for her(if she doesn’t CHOOSE to have the child) are mainly some inconvenience(on the order of a few weeks of sickness plus a minor surgical procedure) vs. the end of life as he knows it for him.

And this doesn’t even include the situation in which he might want the child (the child he is being biochemically primed to bond with, natch) and she doesn’t. Another horrible consequence.

Educators and parents should be telling their 14 year old sons that sexual behavior with women is a crap shoot. That they are essentially putting their entire future in the hands of a person whose brain hasn’t matured yet.

Nightmare fuel.

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Uncle Elmer October 2, 2010 at 10:40

For American women, shaming is like breathing.

As an older guy who has spent a fair amount of time and energy attempting to rogure young women, I want to pass on an observation : most public displays of drunken slutty behavior from females is a complete put-on for the sake of comraderie with their confused hen-packs. When you see this, just walk away and look for opportunities elsewhere. A lot of young women are not living like trash even though the media loves to imply that they are. Unfortunately many of them fall for this hype and end up living with the ugly results.

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nothingbutthetruth October 2, 2010 at 10:50
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Migu October 2, 2010 at 10:59

Just speak candidly to women.

e.g.

Yes dear you give me a boner, it’s everything else I don’t want.

or,

You are quite attractive honey, I just plan on supporting “MY OWN” children.

adapt the response to “her” situation.

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Traveller October 2, 2010 at 11:09

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Keyster October 2, 2010 at 11:16

She’ll display herself as a slut; from 4″ heels to push up bra…
…and then shame any young man who rejects her by calling him gay.

Part of what’s causing this (as I witness on 6th Street in Austin, home of UT), is that grrls refuse to admit they can’t biologically handle alcohol as well as boys. They’ll sit at bars and go shot for shot in DEFIANCE that they’re just as strong and capable at “power drinking”. And we all know where that leads to.

Drinking excessively/partying hard, is yet another male domain women feel they have a “right” to particiapte in. And they do it poorly.

It used to be that young college girls would dress like street whores for Halloween. Now it’s just getting dressed up to go out with friends every weekend. I see them staggering around, propping each other up and holding each others hair while they puke in the ally. Hot? Not!

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Ms_Fu October 2, 2010 at 11:42

Great article, Thag. I know ‘slut shaming’ has been effective, including amongst us American Muslims. I mean, I’m 26 years old and still a virgin because I’m not married. Of course I want to have sex, but the repercussions (possibly being ostracized from my fellow Muslims) of having sex outside of marriage would be too great. But you know what? There is a beauty and empowerment (yes, empowerment) I feel in knowing that I have waited as long as I have. I hope that other women will return to this realization as well.

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typhonblue October 2, 2010 at 11:49

@ Thag:

Your last paragraph seems to contradict itself – you pretty much describe what sluttiness is there.

Do I? I thought sluttiness had to do with the number of sexual partners?

What I’m referring to is not being aware of or caring about the consequences of your actions.

This attitude isn’t unique to what we would consider ‘sluts’. Women who only ever have one partner in their lives can use their sexuality to hurt others.

Treating their sex as a meal ticket, entertainment, bait, a tool of manipulation, a weapon, viewing male sexuality as tainted, beastial, inferior, less innocent, less desirable… all these things are attitudes women have that amount to an abusive use of their sexuality, but they don’t necessarily have anything to do with the number of partners a woman has.

If a woman only has sex with one person her whole life does that mean she’s off the hook in terms of using her sexuality to abuse?

I don’t have a dog in this fight, personally, I’ve had one sexual partner in my life and that partner is my husband.

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Dali October 2, 2010 at 11:54

There are men who “take out the trash” so to speak who need to realise that tolerating bad behavior only leads to more bad behavior. For long-term relationships, you’d think that dating a slut would be unacceptable, but there are more and more willing betas. Leave the slut shaming to women and relationship denial to men.

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Lavazza October 2, 2010 at 12:10

Dalrock has a good definition of sluts versus whores in his post “Sex cartel”:

“Lets say these women are serious, and decide to form a union (a form of cartel). They will need a suitably union sounding name if anyone is going to take them seriously. I propose: Women Holding Out for Relationship Equity. But there are other women having sex with bankers out there, so we need to identify them as well. These women aren’t in it for the money, but for the pure enjoyment of the sex and the ability to exercise their sexual power. Lets call them Sisters Lusting for Unlimited Titillation. To save space, I’ll refer to each group via their acronym in the rest of the post.”

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/sex-cartel/

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Alte October 2, 2010 at 12:11

Just look for the ones naturally good.

They’re right next to the women who have been immaculately conceived, and the men who have been born of a virgin. You might have to look for a while. Holla when you find one.

What do they gain from it?

Attention, of course. The middle of the market is completely saturated. In order to get a significant amount of male attention, you have to either be a skank or chaste. If you don’t want to be chaste, that leaves you with…

Why is feminism so gung ho on whoredom?

Because modesty and chastity are associated with patriarchy, which they consider the ultimate evil. What these women are claiming is that they don’t care about being sluts because they don’t care what men (or more conservative women) think of them. That’s why they find it empowering; it’s an act of defiance against traditional mores and social norms.

I thought sluttiness had to do with the number of sexual partners?

Not really. It has more to do with her general abuse of her sexuality and the grotesque nature of her behavior. A high partner-count usually goes along with that, but not always.

Usually, with slut I think we mean a woman enjoying sex so much that she has lower standards than the average. A nymphomaniac, I guess.

They’re putting on a show; it doesn’t have to mean that they enjoy sex more than other women. They just get off on manipulating men, impressing their friends with their “daring”, and being treated like a piece of trash. Sluts don’t necessarily enjoy sex, just as chaste housewives aren’t necessarily frigid.

It has more to do with self-control and scruples, than anything else.

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Anonymous October 2, 2010 at 12:32

This is what we’re up against, fellas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHGEBPM7Y_I&feature=player_embedded

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Omnipitron October 2, 2010 at 12:33

I think even the men who say they don’t mind a “sexually liberal” woman would still prefer one who isn’t if they’re thinking long term. I can’t imagine more than a small minority of men actually wanting to settle down with the town bike. “Maybe this town bike will be different!”

That’s precisely what it is. Men may not mind taking a ride on the village Bike if all that is sought is a temporary good time. When they want a good, quality long term investment, a much sturdier (and unused) bicycle is sought.

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Anonymous October 2, 2010 at 12:50

@ Alte:

You might have to look for a while.

Why?

To me it seems logical. Associating sexuality with novelty, titillation and technique rather then love, loyalty and the kind of sympatico that only comes from shared burdens and overcoming obstacles together seems rather similar to associating food with sugar, fat and fun rather then nutrition and health.

Option b may require more discipline but sex gets better and better. As far as I can tell from my aquaintances who’ve chosen option a, it just gets worse and worse and worse. And then you die alone with your cats/porn stash.

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fondueguy October 2, 2010 at 13:09

Alte October 2, 2010 at 12:11

If you want to act dumb and oversimplify, that’s fine. I suppose then that I should just go out and find a slut/ whore and try to bring out her inner femininity. The poor thing was just duped by others. But its ok, being the white Knight that I am, ill just give her the structure and support that she needs and she will give me her heart. [sarcasm]

Wait, isn’t there a movie that already did that? (Pretty Woman)

No, I will treat women as responsible for what they do and it is up to them to fix themselves and discipline each other (we know they can). The only problem we have now is that others compensate for what is women’s problems and that women think the supply of male protection and support is endless. We men just have to be able to say no.

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Bob Smith October 2, 2010 at 13:20

I read somewhere that abortion can cause a woman cancer.

That’s how female victim groups portray it, but that’s not actually what happens. What happens is that pregnancy prevents estrogen-cycle cancers like breast cancer. That’s why women are given estrogen suppression drugs during breast cancer treatment: high estrogen levels make cancers like breast cancer grow faster. Given how feminists portray pregnancy as slavery, they can hardly say something positive about it with regard to cancer, so they instead make the negative statement “abortion causes cancer”.

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Lord Viktor October 2, 2010 at 13:37

@Rebel

Are women going to hold a grudge on men until the end of eternity?
Because of what might have happened a million years ago?

Yup.

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Herbal Essence October 2, 2010 at 13:43

What I find constantly creepy about the cultural Left is their demands we must “accept” and “support” whatever behavior somebody wants to do.
I stand for tolerance, meaning that if some chick wants to spread her legs and let the Ohio State Buckeyes football team have a go, that’s her right as a consenting adult.
I tolerate, I do not accept or support vile/perverted behavior.
Same goes with other outlandish and morally reprobate behavior. I tolerate, but no way am I going to accept or support.

It’s actually a sign of the inner weakness of such people that they demand acceptance and support for their choices. Were they actually functioning at an “adult” level, they’d do what they wanted to do without demanding we stand around and cheer.

The fact that I have used prostitutes and practice BDSM would strike many as “wrong.” But I’m not demanding that society “support” me.

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Alte October 2, 2010 at 14:07

To me it seems logical.

Yeah, except that wasn’t what he meant.

Read his other comments to get a feel for what he considers “good”. (Hint: it has little to do with either chastity or patriarchal definitions of morality.) He’s all about “cheap pussy” and commoditizing sex, rather than having it be loving and sacramental. He doesn’t believe women should refrain from promiscuity in order to protect themselves because that goes against his aim of “devaluing pussy” and he thinks it’s selfish and manipulative.

I’ve pointed this out in a different thread, which is why he keeps making snide comments about me.

If you want to act dumb and oversimplify, that’s fine.

Actually, I was making fun of your oversimplification.

Here’s a thought: Why do you think a woman who was “naturally good” (whatever that means) would want to marry you? I mean you, specifically. Wouldn’t you be the exact sort of man that a “naturally good” woman would avoid like the plague? Wouldn’t a “naturally good” woman be looking for someone more in her caliber of “goodness”? Wouldn’t she be interested in a man’s virtues, leadership abilities, and spiritual strength?

Unless she’s a complete idiot, she’ll see right through you to the unloving thug lurking underneath, and take a pass.

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Malestrom October 2, 2010 at 14:10

You have to bear in mind what the feminists are really complaining about, it isnt about social stigma its about male sexual preference.

The word slut doesnt even carry that much shame anymore, there is no conspiracy, there is no cabal of evil killjoys who will set out to ruin a woman’s life if she becomes known as a slut. What they are really complaining about is the fact that men discriminate against sluts when it comes to making long term commitments and investments in relationships, they are complaining about the loss of marriage market value that being a slut entails.

And of course there is a double standard, though it is as much of their making as ours, if they really wanted to fix it all they would have to do is to take the male approach and stop prizing men who sleep around so highly, making them the envy of all other men, do what men do and view the parter most likely to remain faithful as the most desireable one. Of course this won’t happen, it isnt in their nature, so they want us to do what they can’t and deny our nature by prizing them for sleeping around.

Of course as I never, ever tire of pointing out to women whenever they call me out on my open, brutal and gleeful slut shaming, if some 5 foot nothing, 90lb weakling of a woman, who would jump and squeal at the sight of a mouse or spider were to enter the room and say ”I need a real man, I want a big, strong, brave man to look after me, whats how men are supposed to be and I want a real manly man” nobody would be saying shit. Nobody would be saying ”you arent allowed to desire traits in a mate that you do not possess yourself, so it is hypocritical (and by extension unacceptable and wrong) for you to prioritize strength and courage when you yourself are a feeble coward”. Nobody would say that, nobody would even think that, because by God its a woman’s right to want whatever it pleases her to want regardless of whether she lives up to those expectations herself or not. But apparently a man isnt allowed to want a virgin wife unless he’s a virgin, because that is unfair.

I’ll say it now, I say it often, I enjoy saying it and I doubt I’ll ever get tired of saying it; I wont marry a woman who isnt a virgin, but I see nothing wrong with me enjoying as much pussy as I like in the meantime. No I’m not ashamed of that, no I don’t give a shit if you think it’s unfair or hypocritical.

Women need to understand that in exactly the same way that to them, the strong, courageous, dominant man is just so obviously superior and more desireable than other men (regardless of the qualities of the woman making the judgement, come on, how many women fit that bill), to men, the more chaste women is just obviously superior and more desirable than the slut. That’s just how it is, why would you question it? Why would you even think about it long enough to question it? When you’re a man, it’s just such a plain and self-evident truth, I dont see why I should have to constantly defend it.

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zel October 2, 2010 at 14:30

College Girl’s PowerPoint “Fuck List” Goes Viral:
Duke is in an uproar about a highly detailed “fuck list” that a recent female graduate made — in PowerPoint, complete with penis-size evaluations and dirty talk transcripts. We’ve got that document, and spoke exclusively to the now-contrite author.

The full document begins at the bottom of the page.

Upon graduating, the author decided to pass on the wisdom she had learned, in thesis format. The subject: “An education beyond the classroom: excelling in the realm of horizontal academics.” The thirteen subjects are each preceded by a tableau of photos of the men, most of which seem to be pulled from Facebook and athletic action shots. (There are lots of athletes on the list, including many players from Duke’s lacrosse team, whose behavior has come under scrutiny in the past, though they were cleared of wrongdoing.)

Each man is graded using the following criteria:

http://jezebel.com/5652114/college-girls-power-point-****-list-goes-viral

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crella October 2, 2010 at 15:31

Because modesty and chastity are associated with patriarchy, which they consider the ultimate evil. What these women are claiming is that they don’t care about being sluts because they don’t care what men (or more conservative women) think of them. That’s why they find it empowering; it’s an act of defiance against traditional mores and social norms.

And they cut off their noses to spite their faces. Brilliant isn’t it? “I’ve had it with the Patriarchy so I’m going to swill booze and sleep with 100 men, and that will show YOU! ” I’ve said before that feminists sometimes remind me of 3 or 4 year olds yelling ‘poop’ and ‘booger’ in public to shock mum and dad….

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Avenger October 2, 2010 at 15:44

The word slut doesnt even carry that much shame anymore

Call them spinsters then. That will really annoy them because it’s probably how they’ll end up :o )

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crella October 2, 2010 at 15:45

‘future cat herders’…

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 15:46

Women will do anything to outdo the competition. Well more like go into the peacock routine. Dress in skanky clothing, shake their rear ends at men’s faces. Act like asshats and idiots. And gossip like cackling geese.

Those who have money to waste. Will get breast implants, pay top dollar to give her pair of choppers a do-over,

Women in general will give bad advice, terrible advice, butt in other people’s affairs, ruin a man’s reputation. give a man terrible case of rash below the belt.

Though I suspect that women who do get breast cancer, STDs, is probably due what people call karma, or in generic term, for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Personally I would tell any man reading this, not to stick his dick in a woman’s sheath. There are consequences for the man in question. Take your pick. If you do, you have been sufficiently warned.

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Uncle Elmer October 2, 2010 at 15:51

The only time you should any woman a slut is when you’re bonin her on the bed. They love it.

Otherwise mind your manners.

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MrHogs2000 October 2, 2010 at 15:52

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 15:56

Personally I don’t respect any man who is pro-abortion. I would regard him with suspicion and not waste my time. And any woman who demands abortion on demand is no more than a vile creature.

I said this before. When a woman who get’s an abortion. She would hold a life of another with no value. To her, life is disposable. And I wouldn’t strike her with a ten foot pole. heck I wouldn’t trust her.

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David Collard October 2, 2010 at 16:11

I never call my wife a “slut”, even in bed, because she isn’t one. (I call her plenty of other things. Whenever I hear a new colourful Americanism I use it on my wife.)

But I routinely call slutty girls, for example on TV, “sluts” in front of my daughter. I think she has got the message. Don’t be a slut.

My daughter bought some stilettoes recently. She showed them to me a couple of times. I think she was nervous that I wouldn’t approve. I also told her a couple of days ago, in classic Dad style, that she “wasn’t going out dressed like that” (low top, she is kind of busty). I set a tone.

A decent man should expect, demand, a decent woman. Traditionalist men like me want to marry a virgin. But I am not a hypocrite, I hope, and I have passed up sexual opportunities at times. I disapprove of womanisers.

One of the best things men can do is reintroduce blunt language to their personal vocabularies and eschew euphemism. Call a slut, a slut.

If a girl is behaving like a slut, call her a slut. If a woman has reformed and is doing her best to be a good woman, recognise that too.

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 16:13

It’s actually a sign of the inner weakness of such people that they demand acceptance and support for their choices. Were they actually functioning at an “adult” level, they’d do what they wanted to do without demanding we stand around and cheer.

Herbal Essence nailed it. that sucker (the nail) is stuck there good, it aint going anywhere. I had noted that the world is filled with weak willed people. Herbal Essence among a few others had confirmed it.

@ herbal essence, sorry about talking about you as a third party

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Herbal Essence October 2, 2010 at 16:13

No doubt feminists may decry “slut double standards” but feminists live and breathe double standards. Men have no sexual, social, or economic rights in their eyes. Feminists will fully excuse their own hypocrisy and double standards with emotional histrionics or dubious reasoning. So there’s no need to apologize for one’s slut double standard.

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 16:16

Stupid browser
damn thing won’t quote, anyways I just quoted herbal essence comment. top paragraph

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Uncle Elmer October 2, 2010 at 16:21

I never call my wife a “slut”, even in bed, because she isn’t one.

Oh for crap’s sake David let her have it. Women can’t get enough verbal abuse between the sheets.

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 16:23

Actually I was apologizing to you Herbal essence, for talking about you as a third party (while you’re standing in the same room) in this comment section.

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misterb October 2, 2010 at 16:28

There’s a simple way in dealing with a slut aka harlot. On a third date, if she’s expecting a kiss from you. Just shake her hand. And tell her “Thank you every much, I had a damn decent time. ”

that would confuse her a bit.

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David Collard October 2, 2010 at 16:35

Uncle Elmer

Trust me, I call her plenty in the bedroom and out of it. But not “slut”. I don’t call her “whore”, “tart” either.

I call her other things: “bitch”, “piece of ass”, and so on.

On the matter of social support and approval, it is a pervasive modern desire to be in the majority. (I suffer from it myself.) I think this psychology developed along with relativism over the last few decades, and also social scientists developed polling techniques, which always seemed to result in majority support for the “progressive” causes. Vox populi, vox dei.

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Herbal Essence October 2, 2010 at 16:47

Misterb- No problem bud. We share and share alike on the comment section! ;)

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Rebel October 2, 2010 at 16:54

@Alte: “Because modesty and chastity are associated with patriarchy, which they consider the ultimate evil. What these women are claiming is that they don’t care about being sluts because they don’t care what men (or more conservative women) think of them. That’s why they find it empowering; it’s an act of defiance against traditional mores and social norms.”

But don’t they realize that their conduct only leads them into the hands (and beds) of their enemies: specifically those men who are abusing them?

This is self-defeating. No?

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David Collard October 2, 2010 at 17:04

Feminists are still women, and they want the excitement of sex with an attractive man. Maybe a very dominant and exciting man. It gives them good memories, something to put in their diaries, and to tell their friends. What they don’t want, and have a deathly fear of, is settling down with a boring husband who will expect boring and inconvenient things like meals cooked and children borne. They fear most of all domesticity and being like all the other women who have ever lived. In a word, they are immature.

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Evil Pundit October 2, 2010 at 17:11

Here’s a very interesting take, from a feminist, no less!

The stud vs. slut dichotomy is worth discussing, but it has one flaw: it entirely ignores the word “creep,” whose function appears to be restricting male sexuality to a limited, contradictory set of behaviors.

Read the whole thing.

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crella October 2, 2010 at 17:22

MrHogs….just keep wagging that finger, I’m sure all the men on the thread will feel justly chastened and mend their ways…(cue eye roll)

Men, however, are guilty of being much more sexually explicit than most women; they use and objectify women for their own sexual gratification and sadly society allows this to happen.

You’ve actually seen men dressed in a manner similar to the women in the above picture, with their buttocks exposed?

Do tell, where are men supposed to get ‘their own sexual gratification’ if you don’t approve of intercourse with women they pick up (who I presume are participating in their own ‘objectification’, or perhaps even *gasp* objectifying men by having sex with them), or prostitutes (who offer services for pay, a business arrangement) or porn? How dare men have sexual desires, but Yeeee-haaaa to all those women dancing on bars…they are to be applauded. How can you applaud all those frisky women embracing their sexuality but in the same breath condemn men for objectifying them if they try to help them celebrate their wondrous sexuality ?

Everyday man commits horrific hateful crimes against women: rape, other domestic and public violence or threats of violence, discrimination in the workplace, and the list goes on.

A small proportion of men, or are all men guilty of the sins of a few men, an attitude that women shrilly object to when applied to themselves ?

Until you walk in the shoes of a woman, a man could never understand the level of fear and trepidation some women feel when simply walking down a city or suburban street.

Or a rural street, or supermarket parking lot or…or…..
Women are EMPOWERED these days, buddy, what are they afraid of? I am not afraid simply because I do not believe that the average man is a beast waiting to pounce. I take sensible precautions in dodgy neighborhoods when I can’t avoid them, but fear 24/7? That’s female illogical thinking at it’s “best”…..”Ooooh I’m so scared….someone might yell ‘Hey baby!’ at me, whatever would I do!?” A rapist behind every tree? No, there is not. A little rational thinking and common sense would dispel a lot of this ‘fear and trepidation’.

Discrimination in the workplace!? You’d better look at the state of the average workplace in the US before you make statements like that. Human relations departments exist just to protect the poor little women from those beastly men. If anything women get their asses kissed at work.

they will no longer be able to controll them and abuse them without consequences.

You smell from here like you’ve taken one women’s study course too many…since when are there no consequences for crimes against women? Jesus, not paying child support on time is enough to get a man jailed on behalf of a woman, never mind commit a crime. Men get harsher sentences across the board….women are let go with a slap on the wrist even if they kill their spouses or maim them. Men don’t even have to have evidence against them to be arrested and put on trial….in the infamous Duke case, one of the young men was seen in a time-stamped photo from an ATM security camera withdrawing money when he was supposedly raping a stripper, but even he was charged and arrested.

Us men need to take reponsibility also for our sexuality and stop acting like mindless animals who have no control over our actions, because we in fact do andthose who think otherwise are weak little creatures who don’t deserve to be called men.

Oooh, guys doesn’t that just make your ears burn? You sure told us, MrHogs.
Regular paragon of virtue….

Male feminists are the worst. They cannot see any good in the male soul.

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Herbal Essence October 2, 2010 at 17:32

Yes, MrHogs, we are all dirty, dirty boys. So dirty and sexist. Naughty, naughty. Do you want to punish us for being soooo bad?

Sorry, I don’t think we swing that way.

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Anonymous Protagonist October 2, 2010 at 17:50

Personally I don’t give much of a damn if a girl is slutty. In my unpopular libertarian view of the universe people should be able to do whatever the hell they want provided it doesn’t cause anyone direct physical harm or causes unacceptable damage to the environment. Everything else is fair game. Frankly rules are better when there are less of them.

That said, if a woman is overtly slutty it saves me the work of figuring out whether she’s a risk to avoid. I wouldn’t get all upset by the moral compass of a rabid dog – it’s a rabid dog. Why would I get worked up over the nature of a slut? Recognize and avoid. There are too many other more worthwhile things to do.

Secondly, shaming language is only useful within the context of the shamee’s peer group. Acting like a moral authority over someone who doesn’t share your morals is a complete waste of time and makes you look like a jackass. Sluts and the feminist nutbars who want to sell the mantra of personal irresponsibility with the hilariously contradictory male uber-responsibility simply don’t belong to my peer group. We don’t share the same world view. Ergo shaming language is not only pointless it’s foolish. That doesn’t mean I won’t express my point of view to my peers, but it does mean I’m not going to get all up in someone else’s face to make myself feel special. Fuck it – this is not the kind of person I want to be. They’ll live with the consequences of their behaviour just like everyone else in this universe. I’ll apply any wanting to help instincts to those who I think could use the advice. I’ll use discretion.

If we want to move anyone “back” to a standard of behaviour we find acceptable we have to provide a compelling reason why someone else would want to belong. What feminism and her big daddy gov bedmate have done is slowly erode the ability of people to live freely and thus provide that example. They have provided the option for women to do whatever the hell they want with no consequences and codified it into law. It doesn’t matter that this can’t be sustained without tacit male approval. The social architects who came up with this stuff don’t give a damn – their goal is to destroy independence. The horror show that is misandry run amok is just acceptable collateral damage. Our fight is with maintaining personal freedom. Shaming language doesn’t matter. If we can’t get our true independence back we’ll be at the whims of these psychos forever.

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Bob Smith October 2, 2010 at 17:57

It’s actually a sign of the inner weakness of such people that they demand acceptance and support for their choices. Were they actually functioning at an “adult” level, they’d do what they wanted to do without demanding we stand around and cheer.

You erroneously think tolerance is the point of the exercise. It isn’t, dominance and control is. This is the same tactic the left used in Communist countries: demand public statements of fealty.

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Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 18:00

@Traveller

your Church [blah blah blah]

I’m an unbaptised heathen; I don’t have a church.

@Alte That’s some good fisking there, thanks!

Omnipitron October 2, 2010 at 18:06

Mr Hogs. Women becoming too strong to control and we are too afraid of this?

Here we go, it’s men’s faults that women act the way they do and once more, it’s men’s faults for not praising them for embracing this new attitude.

This cycle of every little thing being the fault of a man is getting really tiresome. If women are so empowered, when does it become their responsibility?

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Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 18:22

Anonymous Protagonist,

This is where I tend to part ways with the libertarian view. The problem is, this culture of glorifying slutty behaviour does effect everyone. I feel it quite keenly as the parent of two girls who are currently in the public school system, who watch TV, etc.. Sure, I could throw out the TV, but as I said elsewhere, you absorb a lot without even being aware of it. I live in a good sized city and there’s just no avoiding it short of joining the Mennonites or converting to Islam (I’d take the former, if it came to that).

I get your point, but it gets to be a bit of a circular argument in that as an individual, I can point and shame if I want to too. What David Collard says above about naming it (Name it! Change it!) in front of his daughter sounds about right to me. At least that’s a proactive response as a parent and particularly effective from a father (not sure how it would work for me).

Sure, people are free to be sluts, but I think a little more societal shaming and less trashy voyeurism via TV (Jersey Shore, those kinds of shows) wouldn’t be a bad thing. We seem to have lost all sense of public decorum and I think some things ought to remain private, including the colour of one’s thong.

Anonymous Protagonist October 2, 2010 at 19:01

Thag,

I don’t disagree with what you say.

My take is pretty simple. Let people do whatever they want. If that’s using shaming language then bully for them. But nobody likes a lecture and the best lessons are ones that can be seen in action. If we can’t provide better examples and have our kids (or hell even other adults) realize why these examples are better then we’ve failed.

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mostlygenius October 2, 2010 at 19:04

I think we are missing the point here completely. Being a slut is a tactic for the short-term. Calling it a tactic probably gives it more credit for being a plan than it really deserves, however by being a slut a woman can get a lot of attention very quickly. This attention will generate the envy of her peers and possibly gain her some free loot (drinks, presents, etc.) In general I think most humans enjoy the feeling of being envied.

An attractive woman flamboyantly signaling sexual availability will make most men want (or consider) sex with her. None but the dumbest would consider that a foundation for a relationship. I don’t mean to overstate the power of this attraction. It’s pretty much on the level of “Yeah, I’d fuck her. Another beer? How about them (sports team)?” Women on the other hand will almost never say anything close to “look at that free spirit, she sure looks like she’s having fun and in charge of her own sexuality.” Women find a greater need to diminish sluts to justify and elevate themselves.

All of the potential rewards are short term. All of the shame or stigma can be banished with a change of venue, and thus are also short term. Sluts are not making a socio-political statement or looking for long term support. I think it is an open question which gender sluts are most attempting to influence, but in general I don’t think there is much thought behind it.

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Kathy October 2, 2010 at 19:05

” The problem is, this culture of glorifying slutty behaviour does effect everyone. I feel it quite keenly as the parent of two girls who are currently in the public school system, who watch TV, etc.. Sure, I could throw out the TV, but as I said elsewhere, you absorb a lot without even being aware of it.”

Very true, Thag.

I also have a fourteen year old daughter who of late has discovered Rhianna’s music. The lyrics can be quite explicit too. Because I cannot prevent her from listening to these songs,(other kids ,radios etc) I just explain what is wrong with them, and why Rhianna sings acts and dresses
the way she does.( It’s all about making money.)

My husband is much more succinct. When daughter asked if she could go to an upcoming Rhianna concert with her cousin, he loudly proclaimed,

“You are not going to see that slut!! ”

Needless to say, that was the end of it.

But my husband is right. Rhianna’s behaviour and dress are all slutty. Not to mention the words in her songs. Most of you would have heard this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e82VE8UtW8A

Not suitable viewing for impressionable young girls.
***********

Hi David. I have for some time now, when the opportunity arises, been drumming it into my daughter’s head that no man likes a slut. And, they most certainly do not want to marry one! She is a good kid, (and loves young kids and babies) but is sometimes easily influenced. Fortunately she confides in me and tells me what other kids say and do.

Whilst she has not had a boyfriend yet, the time will one day come. She is a beautiful young girl, and is already turning male heads.. Best to lay down the ground rules and inculcate from an early age.

It is certainly a parents nightmare bringing up kids in this hedonistic and degraded day and age, that’s for sure!

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Russ October 2, 2010 at 19:16

Long ago, civilizations all over the world, realized that there are two types of “physical power.” 1. Musculo-skeletal power and 2. “sexual” power. Nature uses these to balance the genders. Men have greater musculo-skeletal power and women greater sexual power. As humans began to evolve out of the natural state and into a more civilized state they realized immediately that, if society was going to work, they would have to control men’s greater physical power. It wouldn’t be very civilized to have men fighting and/or raping in the streets, would it.

It’s apparent from the extant literature of almost all early civilizations, that this caused extreme problems because it created a vacuum which was filled by women’s greater physical power, sexuality, and society became increasingly sexualized, perverse, and degraded (the story of Sodom and Gomorrah alludes to this). People learned that both men’s and women’s physical powers would have to be controlled if they were going to create stable, safe, secure, and prosperous civilizations. Men are called criminals and punished by imprisonment when they use their greater physical power in socially unapproved ways and women have traditionally been called “sluts” and ostracized when they use theirs irresponsibly. These are both good things.

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Russ October 2, 2010 at 19:20

The above should read: “was filled by women’s greater physical power – sexuality – and society became increasingly sexualized”

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Thag Jones October 2, 2010 at 19:23

Kathy,

I got to 48 seconds of that tripe and that was enough for me. Even now, my kids are 7 and (almost) 5 and there’s a kids’ show on the Ontario public television station called Pop It, which might seem innocuous enough – some hip hop “dancing” (including chest popping and fake gang signs) with some really mediocre, banal “music” – however, it’s basically trying to make an unwholesome culture wholesome, and setting them up for stuff like that Rhianna video you posted later on. I make them turn it off, telling them it’s trash. It kills me knowing what they’re going to have to resist, being raised without a father to top it off…. I am truly scared for them and it breaks my heart to think about it.

The link shows a bit of a mash-up of the show – on the actual show they break down the moves.

Keyster October 2, 2010 at 20:04

We seem to have lost all sense of public decorum…

True that!

And most of these grrls who evolve into slut culture don’t have a father living with them to set standards on how they should behave. THAT is so key and so over looked. Young girls look to father to set their proper social tone. (Fathers were once boys! They don’t lose that perspective.)

As fatherhood becomes devalued, slut value ascends. Lack of a father’s guidance is bringing about a dysfunctional generation that can only compound itself with more of the same as time goes on.

And every other weekend visits with daddy don’t count.
He has to LIVE with his children.

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codebuster October 2, 2010 at 20:07

NAWALT! Kidding aside, I’d never seen feminists actually looking at bonobo monkeys as something to emulate until recently and that just blew me away. I’d already used that as an insult, and there they were saying “I wish I could live like a dumb primate with my ‘gina in the wind.” WTF!!
There was time, Rangar, when I would have argued with you. That time has passed.

Thag, it is not helpful to us to assume that all men are wonderful just because they are men. The fact that there exists a cross-section of men that can be placed towards the bottom tail of the bell-curve is what enables us to define the sluts that choose them. After all, if all men were indeed wonderful, as Ragnar suggests, then surely that renders irrelevant the impact of the word slut. What’s so terrible about a slut if a slut’s choices were all wonderful, and if they resulted in a lineage of wonderful hunks who only contributed wonderful things to society? Who can blame her, if this were the reality? Trouble is, it’s not. It is because of their dumb choices that sluts impact on our cultural decline.

I recently cited Otto Weininger with regards to the relationship between sluthood and criminality. It’s an important concept, because it relates to the head-stuff (morality, character) that shapes our cultures. If men are overwhelming the perpetrators of violent crime, then sluts are overwhelmingly the women that choose them and give birth to them and abuse them as children. The slut is the character equivalent of the criminal. I can understand the knee-jerk reaction that compels many of us to scoff whenever someone declares that NAWALT! But let us not imitate the feminists by denying the basic truths that constitute reality.

Shaming sluts with the justification that men prefer nice, moral, women (so too bad, that’s just how it is) doesn’t really provide a helpful explanation, and it’s not really shaming. It’s merely another swing of the pendulum. It’s an attitude that reflects the good-girl/bad-girl duality, with prissy good-girls and nerdy nice-guys providing the transient, unquestioning norms. But the reality is that there’s something deeper that’s relevant. There is something about the slut mindset – the idea of “throwing it away” – that is linked directly to crime. The slut and the criminal have at least three things in common – impulsiveness, lack of regard for consequences, respect for the thug. They are both different expressions of vice. Only by understanding these deeper aspects can we move away from the double-standards and the simplistic dualities that define the moralities of the Anglosphere, and the swings of the pendulum that provide no real comprehension of what’s taking place.

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RCG October 2, 2010 at 20:10

The article makes an interesting point. Shame is indeed a powerful tool. It is a tool that works well when applied to women, and it is probably not being used enough — at least, not by us.

I recall reading several articles complaining that arguing with a woman is pointless, that they don’t listen to logic, and that the core of their argument always consists of ad hominem shaming language. Perhaps they are using this shaming language because that is the way they think? What would happen if we took a page from Game and reversed the script? What would happen if we eschewed logic in favor of shaming women who spout feminist lies?

Imagine lines like “Why are you arguing against the double standard in favor of sluts? Are you a slut yourself? You realize that if you’re a slut, no man will ever consider you as anything but a one night stand, right? Do you want end up as one of those trashy women on Maury? Do you want to be old and alone?” or “I think the reason you’re so obsessed with DV statistics is because you want a man who hits you. Please take your disgusting sexual fantasies elsewhere.” I think there is potential here.

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fondueguy October 2, 2010 at 20:45

@alte October 2, 2010 at 14:07

We’re on a new topic now. I was talking about good women, as in the type to get in a relationship with. Stop obsessing about sex.

“women should treat their pussy as if it were made out of gold precisely because it is not made out of gold.” -alte

Statements like this conflict with what we stand against at the spearhead and are bothersome in and of themselves. You fit W.F. Price’s description here @ September 30, 2010 at 15:18 (w.f. did not reference anyone personally)

To anyone who doesn’t know What I’m talking about look at alte’s post also here @September 30, 2010 at 12:49

The game she’s playing becomes transparent there and in later posts echoing the same concept. She then turns on the rationalization hamster trying to tell us what we want and give us every reason why women must own our cocks/sexuality ranging from survival of society, to evolution, to God…

@alte
The reason I want the pussy to be devalued is because I want things to be on a a more even playing field. Now you brought up “game” when I didn’t but the major problem is in the way you mischaracterize it so badly. (Someone even laughed at what you had to say on that.) Game is not about cheap tricks to getting laid like you suggest; it is actually about knowing women’s natural tendencies, recognizing and dealing with shit tests, staying in control with women whether or not your in a relationship, and never letting women use sex against you. I do not want women using sex for money or power. Its sad that you want women to hold out in order to make themselves more “scarce” and “valuable”; you are the only one wanting to make the pussy a commodity. Here is just one thing you’ve said “Even higher-ranking hookers will tend to be choosy in their clients. Women instinctively know that making sex too cheap and easy will end badly for them, so they will try to be selective.”

Too often women view their sexuality as inextricably tied to their ability to get, keep, or exert any other control over a man. This is why I want to devalue the pussy, for reasons of individual interactions between men and women and for society at large (its called a PUSSY pass for a reason).

Alte, I have already spelled out my position to you before…

“Sex and love are two different things. The fact that sex is relatively easy to get without marriage should be considered a good thing. Men need to be choosing marriage for love and family, not to get sex. Its just a matter of letting go of trying to control men sexually, it reduces us both.” @October 1, 2010 at 11:20

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fondueguy October 2, 2010 at 21:02

@alte

“He’s all about “cheap pussy” and commoditizing sex, rather than having it be loving and sacramental.”

Don’t lie…

“September 30, 2010 at 15:49 @alte I never* advocated prostitution.

“September 30, 2010 at 19:15 I don’t promote prostitution.”

“September 30, 2010 at 19:43 In the bigger picture we don’t need to pay or marry for sex.”

There is nothing shameful about men wanting unwed sex, unless your going to tell us otherwise. What I want is for men to chose sex when they want sex and for them to chose love and marriage when they want love and marriage.

Be careful of alte. She’s usefully and intelligent but seems to just want her “ideal” useful men. It will rear its head from time to time when her wants are different from ours, usually alongside flattery.

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SMC October 2, 2010 at 21:11

“slipping into a Sodom and Gomorrah kind of world where anything goes. …Living like apes in the trees is not good for the human spirit, for human creativity, for a higher minded life.”

Fine.

But Sodom and Gomorrah were not forest of apes. They were CIVILIZATIONS!

Civilization. Ie a dynamic where the previous tribal way’s alpha male (the bestest kid from kid hood) was ousted by lilliputian coup (the ALPHA BETA GAMMA dynamic) and a new social dynamic formed where in the female game playing, frustration inducing powers –that are _always there anyway (but sublimated below the best males)_–became more powerful now-, beause there were fewer “naturally” dominant (“warrior type”) males around.

Ie civilization.

F*cking jeez! already.

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alpha October 2, 2010 at 21:43

The “double standard” may be women acting like er like “sluts” calling themselves “liberated” while men acting like er “sex maniacs” are called “animals”

(the feminists justify this by saying men are “allowed” by society to mess around but women are not)

My 2 cents:Keep it simple. Well-behaved men and well-behaved women make a healthy society, anything else, is a corruption.

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evilwhitemalempire October 2, 2010 at 21:43

Anti-feminist women pretend to give a shit about men’s rights.
Anti-feminist men (most) pretend they don’t want women to put out all the time.

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SMC October 2, 2010 at 22:25

I’d never seen feminists actually looking at bonobo monkeys as something to emulate until recently and that just blew me away. I’d already used that as an insult, and there they were saying “I wish I could live like a dumb primate with my ‘gina in the wind.”

Bonobos are chimpanzees.

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It is like this:

Force and matter (like steam and ice –but for analogy only)

Cause and Effect are the motor. Billiard ball bank-shotting on a 3D table (length, width AND height); domino effects… Nothing moves without something previous moving upon it. It gets complicated as branching ricochets– and ricochets and ricochets– start building up.)

Hydrogen(one proton) then heavy hydrogen (more electrons per atom; “isotopes”); then helium(two protons) form.

Then organic matter (carbon and nitrogen).

(Natural Selection means different variants form, because of cause and effect; Only some variants convert more energy into more of their conversion trends (at the expense of other trends) –eating and reproduction; the surrounding previous cause and effect [the "environment"] does the selecting of the successful trends. Amoral/unthinking cause and effect decides.)

Then viruses and DNA-molecule LIFE. (Viruses are RNA molecules technically not living self replicators. Viruses might come after DNA as variant off of it.)

Then bacteria. (no nucleus) (Eg algae)

Then Karyotic LIFE (with nuckeus) (Eg amoeba)

Then fungus.

Then plants –first as moss (Lichens –proto moss– are algae and fungus in symbiosis acting as template for new selection to occur: what was selected was moss).

From another branch of karyotic life ANIMALS form.

First sponges

Then corral and jelly fish. (Jelly fish are free individualist corral.)

Then worms.

Then molluscs.

The arthropods from different worms. (Arthropods are horseshoe crabs; lobster + shrimp; crabs; spiders; insects; milli and centi.)

Then chordats (VERTEBRATES) from different worm strain (“prechorians” [pre backbone ites).

Then fish (first lobe fin, then ray)

Then amphibians from lobe fin type.

Then reptiles (turtles and crocs then lizard snakes.

Then mammals.

Then birds from bipedal crocodillian types (along with so called dinos from those bipeds.)

The mammals come from "dimetrodon" reptiles. A Fin-back type with homeothermic tendency (self regulating body heat --marrow in fin bones).

First are "monotremes" mammals (egg laying--eg platypus)

Then pouch having ("marsupials") (Eg kangos)

Then placentials. (womb)

(Mammals make milk which is modified sweat gland oil. ...Babies started living on mamma's body; that started new selection niche: milk and nipples formed. Note that through parallelism other species make "milk" (modified body effuse).)

First womb are called multitubers (certain teeth type).

Then creodonts: "Pinnipeds and fissipeds" (fins and paws). The pawed are "arctoidiates" (dogs and bears) and aeluroidartes (hyenas and cats). (The finned are the seals and whales/dolphins.)

Then ungulats (hoofed): The perisodactyls(three toes [horse rhinos]) and artdactyls (two toes [bovine, suideans{pigs} cervides{deer}).

The multitubers are insectivors. Anteaters sloths, bats, primates and rodents and rabbits. (From the proto rabbit types come the ungulats.)

The primates are:

lemurs tarsiers

new world monkeys

old world monkeys (recces' maccas, baboons)

The apes (no tails; revolving shoulder pits--"brachiation"). (Gibbons, orangs, gorrilla, chimps [two flavors], hominds.

The homonids are robost and gracile. From the gracile the homos come. First homos are called habalines then erectines, then sapients.

Man’s taxonomc placement:

KINGDOM animal
PHYLUM vertebrate
CLASS mammal (sub class placential)
ORDER Primate
FAMILY Hominid (super family is pongoid–”ape”)
GENUS Homo
SPECIES sapiens

Dates are-
14 bill = universe
11 bill = our galaxy (“colloquially called milky way”)
5 bill = our solar system
4 bill =life
2 bill = animal (sexually reproducing predators)
500 mill (half a bill) = molloscs/arthrs/verts. Also DIM SEX DEVELOPS AT THIS TIME for upper animals.
350 mill insects[runty crabs] follow plants on land)
300 mill fish then amphibs follow insects.
250 crocs
200 mammals
150 birds
60 mill = dinos gone, birds then mammals grow into niches.

8 mill apes
4 mill =homonids
2.5 mill = homos (feather-boas came later)
1.5 ish erectines
150 thousand years (4 tenths of a million) = sapients
35 modern sapients
15 – 10 ooo = some agriculture and domestication of dogs and bovines.
6000 horse domesticates (mounted aristocracy culls europe)
5000 literacy = civilization
3200 iron and proto montheism
1500 some euros literate
400 years scot and finns literate
Thursday = jerked-off to interwebs.

MY DATES (and all that above taxo) ARE APPROX –I seem to have forgotten. They change fast anyway; “pardigm shifts”. Go read a book– it won’t kill you and jesus won’t die. (FACT FINDER ALMANAC BOOKS OR ENCYCLOPEDIAS ARE BEST.)

The only things left to know are
-the development of reproductive systems and dynamics. I have dealt with that extensively over and over.
And
-how nurture/environment shapes biochemistry along with genes (it aint just genes).

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If one is going to use bio arguments in their arguments get them right. Chimps are not monkeys! Pet peeve of mine and many other educated people I’m sure.

I’m not making fun of you or semantically trying to “deconstruct” your point. (1 I don’t care about your point; and 2 I agree. I started off by saying “FINE” above.)

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Technically speaking humans ARE “dumb primates with their ‘ginas in the wind.”

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alpha October 2, 2010 at 22:44

@MrHogs2000
Thanks for your post!Man you made my day!I was in a sour temper, and here you are,spouting trash, a verbal punching bag!My daily workout begins!

[quote]You (and men other men here) need to get over your own feelings of inadequacy and insecurity and stop the blatant sexism[/quote]

that’s funny, I do not FEEL any such need.you telling me my needs eh?

[quote]Men, however, are guilty of being much more sexually explicit than most women; they use and objectify women for their own sexual gratification and sadly society allows this to happen. We men can freely visit a brothel, pick up a woman – or even two, if we are feeling particuarly small, we can go to an adult store and take a pick of countless violent pornographic depictions of women, and much worse…and all this is acceptable because we call ourselves men. [/quote]

and all this is bad because..?

[quote]Until you walk in the shoes of a woman, a man could never understand the level of fear and trepidation some women feel[/quote]

ask me if i care. go on, I insist. besides, there are some men who feel the world is gonna end in 2012, I can never understand the level of fear and trepidation they feel.

[quote]Most men who fear this celebration of female sexuality are simply afraid that women are becoming such strong and assertive individuals that they will no longer be able to controll them and abuse them without consequences[/quote]

You worthless piece of slime, we are afraid our sisters/daughters may emulate this behaviour.
We are ALSO EXTREMELY ANGRY at these constant attempts at Titillation.Leave us in peace. Or are we now not supposed to feel any natural processes because WOMEN and MEN LIKE YOU SAY SO????

[quote]you call a poor 14 year old pregnant girl a “slut” because she has obviously had sex and fallen pregant. Why don’t you ask where is the father? How old is he/was he old enough to know better?[/quote]

where’s her mommy?tell me that first.

[quote]Us men need to take reponsibility also for our sexuality and stop acting like mindless animals who have no control over our actions, because we in fact do and those who think otherwise are weak little creatures who don’t deserve to be called men.[/quote]

women frolicking half-naked need to “stop acting like mindless animals who have no control over THEIR actions, because THEY in fact do and those who think otherwise are weak little creatures who don’t deserve to be called WOmen”.

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David Collard October 3, 2010 at 01:18

Hi Kathy

Different men have different requirements. Some of them won’t mind a girl having a bit of experience. But “sluts” are something else again.

MrHogs

People who argue like you always refer to violent pornography degrading women. Like most men, I have seen my share of porn, and it is actually very hard to find material that is “violent and degrading” towards women. Most porn is vanilla, and the BDSM material very often features men being degraded.

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Snark October 3, 2010 at 01:59

http://thefire.org/article/12301.html

Hamilton Requires First-Year Men to Attend Presentation on Campus ‘Rape Culture’; Female Applicants Not Forewarned of Dangers of Attending Hamilton

Tonight at 7 p.m., first-year men at Hamilton College will be attending a mandatory presentation of “She Fears You,” a program at which they will be pressed to acknowledge their personal complicity in a “rape culture” on Hamilton’s campus and to change their “rape-supportive” beliefs and attitudes.

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Snark October 3, 2010 at 02:02

What happened next:

http://thefire.org/torch/#12324

Amidst heated debate, Keith Edwards’ “She Fears You” presentation went forward Monday evening at Hamilton College. FIRE argued that this event, which claims to be a “cognitive and emotional intervention” aiming to teach that certain views about masculinity will be “no longer acceptable in any way,” should not have been mandatory for freshman males. Two senior faculty members also expressed their dismay over the mandatory nature of the program. One of them, in an e-mail to Dean of Students Nancy Thompson, argued:

‘Especially in light of our proclaimed devotion to the “open curriculum,” I see no reason why this one event with embedded political content about “rape culture” and “social justice” should be required of all first year men during the academic year.’

Hunter Brown of Hamilton College Alumni for Governance Reform went so far as to say that alumni should consider withdrawing financial report from the school.

Students also expressed their displeasure at the required event. According to an article in The Spectator, Hamilton’s student newspaper, several students were upset that the women’s mandatory program focused on “support and acceptance” while the men’s program focused on “how to improve themselves.” The program indeed was upsetting to many students

[...]

less than two hours before the lecture, Thompson sent out a reminder e-mail, making it clear that first-year men were required to attend. In case there was any question, the word “required” was in large, red type, underlined and italicized. The male freshmen were instructed to “be sure” to bring their Hill Cards (Hamilton’s college ID card), a rule that undoubtedly was designed to make the students think that their IDs would be swiped to enforce their attendance, just as for other orientation events.

According to a Hamilton freshman, however, word quickly circulated that IDs had not been swiped at the women’s event earlier, and it soon became evident that no one was swiping IDs at “She Fears You,” either. At that point, the student reported to FIRE, there was a “mass exodus” from the event.

Win!

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Shawn D October 3, 2010 at 02:12

Shaming work on women by men they assume posses high value= Alphas. George Clooney shaming a skank would only increase her gina tingles for him but regular/nice guy Cliff from IT not so much. We’re all aware that feminisim is one big shit test and since most men are mangining betas, hence our current dilemma. Look at it this way gents, feminism is the poison and game is the antidote. Inoculate yourselves NOW!!

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crella October 3, 2010 at 03:07

I followed one of the links in Snark’s second link above to an article in an National Association of Scholars publication. It describes part of the content from the ‘She Fears You’ website used in the lecture -

In a video clip from the presentation’s website, Edwards says that women view all men as potential rapists until they’ve proven otherwise, and he refers several times to “male privilege.”

What crap! This is sick. It’s like MrHog’s comments above that women walk the streets in ‘trepidation and fear’…is the fear reality-based or not?

Now , while the NAS article condemns the leture, the author includes this comment-

Rape is certainly a horrific reality both on and off college campuses. I went to college in Midtown Manhattan, and you bet I had a rape whistle on my keychain and often held my keys between my fingers when I rode an elevator alone with an unknown man.

This ‘every man might be a rapist’ stuff is ridiculous. I grew up on the northern suburbs of Boston. Small town, not much crime. My overly emotional mother told me to never ride an elevator alone with a man hundreds of times before I went to college. Every time she gave me one of those lectures about how you can get raped in elevators, parking lots, etc it just rang so false…I didn’t try to shut her up, that’s impossible, as Her View of The World is the True One and you’ll never get her to stop. However, I ran mentally through the men and boys I knew as she told me this crap….Dad, my brother, two grandfathers, an uncle in California I corresponded with, the boys at school who blushed and got fidgety when they talked to girls, and what she said just rang so false, I could never internalize it. My radar told me otherwise. It’s only one or two times in my entire life I’ve met a man who set off warning bells. Rapists do not lie in wait around every corner…

You live in a high crime area, take the necessary precautions, be careful not paranoid in underground parking, don’t go into dodgy areas in the wee hours, don’t get so drunk you can’t defend yourself. In general, anywhere you are don’t get blind drunk with a lot of other people and make it the drunk man’s responsibility to put a lid on his sex drive when you yourself are unable to due to alcohol. Don’t young women take any responsibility for their actions? Not making oneself vulnerable would seem to be personal responsibility. It’s foolish and naive to abdicate all personal responsibility and leave your welfare in the hands of equally drunk strangers.

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Anonymous October 3, 2010 at 03:28

RCG October 2, 2010 at 20:10

The article makes an interesting point. Shame is indeed a powerful tool. It is a tool that works well when applied to women, and it is probably not being used enough — at least, not by us.

. . .

Please take your disgusting sexual fantasies elsewhere.” I think there is potential here.

Spot on RCG.
Major parts of the feminist agenda is the result of female phantasies. It is possible that we can develop a strategy of reversing this.
Good point! :-)

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Ragnar October 3, 2010 at 03:29

Forgot to log in again . . . there’s another anonymous post from me above . . . I guess!

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Snark October 3, 2010 at 03:44

What crap! This is sick. It’s like MrHog’s comments above that women walk the streets in ‘trepidation and fear’…

Women do not walk the streets with anything remotely resembling trepidation or fear.

Feminists walk the streets with hatred and the will to persecute men.

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Ragnar October 3, 2010 at 03:50

After all, if all men were indeed wonderful, as Ragnar suggests,

Codebuster. Wonder where you get that idea from?

The fact that only men build societies doesn’t imply that ALL men do that. This is, in fact, the interesting part. How do we get the ‘right’ men to get together and build a new society?

Actually I don’t know the answer to that question. It just seems to me that brotherhoods or gangs are good ‘filters’ on male behavior. That is in the sense that men will weed out thugs and others who are unable to add anything good to the community.

This is simply a hunch I have from the fact that societies originate in various forms of brotherhoods.

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Migu October 3, 2010 at 04:40

If those men had half a brain, they would unenroll and spend money elsewhere.

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codebuster October 3, 2010 at 05:40

The fact that only men build societies doesn’t imply that ALL men do that. This is, in fact, the interesting part. How do we get the ‘right’ men to get together and build a new society?

Fair enough. Good call. But any ambiguity that I perceived about what you originally meant was laid to rest in your subsequent post:

but there was no good argument against it and women kept proving that it’s true they do not belong to humanity! Humanity is software (culture) passed on from father to son.

Women are very much a part of that cultural software. As primary nurturers, they provide the “initial conditions” that “program” the children that eventually grow up to become adults. For example, consider the relationship between crime and single-mother households. But women can also “program” the behavior of grown men, and not just their children. For example, sluts choose the thugs that other men notice, and this provides another source of cultural programming, providing many men with cues suggesting how they too might be successful with women.

It is not helpful to us to trivialize the role of women – not only does it result in misidentifying the enemy, but also in underestimating them, as well. Know thine enemy. Feminist men and women have simplistically trivialized the role of men and defined men as the enemy, and this will be their downfall, the buffoons that they are.

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Fidelbogen October 3, 2010 at 06:30

“I thought that women’s lib’s goal was to give women a better stand in society. Instead, women are now more and more associated with misbehavior.”

According to them (women’s lib), it isn’t “really” misbehavior.

And if you think it is misbehavior, then it is YOU who are to blame for your wrong attitude. (Get it?)

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Alte October 3, 2010 at 06:36

I will only note that commoditization does not mean prostitution. Prostitution is a result of commoditization, because a commoditized product is more easily monetized.

Rather, commoditize means:

The act of making a process, good or service easy to obtain by making it as uniform, plentiful and affordable as possible. Something becomes commoditized when one offering is nearly indistinguishable from another. As a result of technological innovation, broad-based education and frequent iteration, goods and services become commoditized and, therefore, widely accessible.

Anyone protesting sluttish behavior is protesting the increasing commoditization of sex, and setting it aside as something “special” that should be handled carefully and with respect. Sluttishness leads to conformity and availability, which means that each woman is no longer an individual, but merely a copy of any other. It is, in fact, an attempt to debase and dehumanise women and turn them into consumer products that can be used up and tossed out like trash.

I am against any human being turned into a commodity, whether male or female. As for any woman who is foolish and short-sighted enough to commoditize themselves, I can only warn them of their idiocy and watch them meet their fate.

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 07:04

Re: “rape culture” and college indoctrination

I am so disgusted by the whole idea of showing new students a film on how all men are seen as potential rapists. What are they doing? What kind of moronic woman thinks that anyway? I went to university and not once did I feel like any of the men there might rape me, no matter how drunk everyone got. Where I went was a former males only rugby college (had been admitting women for the past 10 years) and still retained a lot of the rugby culture – crude songs at the bar, jocky men, etc.. I always got the feeling that they were pretty protective of the females and wouldn’t have tolerated any stupid shit along the lines of sexual harassment – although no doubt some of the songs would have been enough to get upset over for some of these fascists.

Of course, this is going to be really un-PC, but you’re more likely to get “harassed” if you dress like a bitch in heat. You can’t really whine about it if you’re dressing to be attractive. If you don’t want to attract male attention, don’t wear clothes that accentuate the things men find attractive or titillating. It really does work! If you paint on your jeans, put on a pair of heels and a push-up bra, you are advertising yourself much like a street walker advertises herself. That’s fine if you want to do that, just don’t whine when construction workers whistle at you. Then again, maybe there are a lot of bitches who dress this way so that they can scorn men and feel a sense of their own power that way. Lost causes then. Just wait until no one whistles at them any more….

I’m really pleased to read that the students walked out of the presentation – that gives me hope at least. The people running these places really need to be replaced.

Ragnar October 3, 2010 at 07:08

Women are very much a part of that cultural software. As primary nurturers, they provide the “initial conditions” that “program” the children that eventually grow up to become adults. For example, consider the relationship between crime and single-mother households. But women can also “program” the behavior of grown men, and not just their children. For example, sluts choose the thugs that other men notice, and this provides another source of cultural programming, providing many men with cues suggesting how they too might be successful with women.

Codebuster women are the primary nurturers in every scenario. In civilisation men form society including women so boys grow up differently from girls and are able to be turned into men. So the absense of males in rearing boys gives the present situation.

Thus men are the builders and enablers of civiisation. Women can be formed by men in societies where they have no other possibility. That results in good women – from the male pow – and thus the society you seem to describe.

My position that women never left the animal kingdom stands still and get confirmed every day.

As a side note. Killing the connection between men and boys actually erase the civilisation ‘software’ and makes men revert to the animal kingdom as well.

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 07:09

P.S. Even when I was a teenager, I dressed pretty low key precisely because I didn’t want to attract the wrong kind of attention. It was frustrating when all the “pretty” girls got the attention, but I just couldn’t bring myself to leave the house with make-up or revealing clothes on. I was not raised religious or anything like that, but something in me knew that there was good attention and bad attention and I wasn’t equipped at the time to deal with the bad attention, so I didn’t invite it. It’s really quite simple, and I know that women who complain about the attention they get for the way they dress are completely full of shit. They are bragging, not really complaining.

Snark October 3, 2010 at 07:32

It’s really quite simple, and I know that women who complain about the attention they get for the way they dress are completely full of shit. They are bragging, not really complaining.

Yeah, I think most of us figured this out – though it’s good to hear a woman come out and say it.

What amazes me is how white knights think it’s serious and that they must ‘protect the honour’ of women who choose to look and act like whores. Honour? LOL!

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 07:46

Snark, I always found it annoying and pretty much thought, “oh boo hoo, men find you attractive – POOR YOU!!” And they’ll say that shit around less attractive women as if to rub their faces in it. But teh wimminz are so sweet and innocent! You must ride in on your unicorn and protect the poor damsels!

How does the song go? “The devil come for you in a girlish disguise….”

misterb October 3, 2010 at 07:57

It’s quite fascinating to see women using those colourful words. Sexism, misogynists, hateful and so forth.

Women who drank too much kool-aid are really that dumb. The old saying goes, feminism distorts reality. A harlot is not worth a trouble. I wonder if half of the human population that is destined to be thrown to the lake of fire, would mean the female sex.

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misterb October 3, 2010 at 08:57

I almost forgot, women truly don’t even know the meaning of those words. Other than a habit of using shaming language.

then again society is going downhill. More like tanking big time.

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Lovekraft October 3, 2010 at 08:57

It seems that de-shaming ‘slut’ is a variation of the Affirmative Action theme, where people are advanced based on political reasons. We all know the societal damage of moral relativism, yet politics makes logic take a backseat.

Our children are increasingly confused, and this is just another example of it.

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Renee October 3, 2010 at 08:58

The first time I’ve heard of “slut-shaming” it was in a feminist POV. Usually in cases of rape, school bullying, and just general societal analysis from what I recall. Also, their definition of slut-shaming was a little in-depth. And to me, it made sense.

Now I think a little differently. Shame in regards to dress provacatively and promiscuous sex, yes I agree. Stigma of unwed mothers – or should I say “parents” since it takes two – yes.

But calling a girl a slut simply because she got pregnant outside of marriage, I don’t think so. You don’t know how many men she slept with or whether she got pregnant after the first time. For all we know, she could’ve gotten pregnant while being with a steady boyfriend. And like I said before, what about shame in regards to the father? It takes two to make a baby. I’m not excusing them, I’m just saying that certain aspects of slut-shaming doesn’t sit well with me. It seems to always involve females (which in is understandable in cases like clothing). I know that there are reasons why this is so, but to me, in some instances – there should be shame on both sides.

Then again, I was taught to not judge others. Now I’m sure that there’s a difference between shame and judgement. I’m just not one to go around calling certain women sluts. That’s just me.

I don’t know…..I really have a hard time pin-pointing the exact problem.

you call a poor 14 year old pregnant girl a “slut” because she has obviously had sex and fallen pregant. Why don’t you ask where is the father? How old is he/was he old enough to know better?

where’s her mommy?tell me that first.

How about, where are the parents? Anyway, all the back a forth doesn’t negate that someone had sex with that girl and is a father.

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Dalrock October 3, 2010 at 09:09

@Renee
Then again, I was taught to not judge others. Now I’m sure that there’s a difference between shame and judgement. I’m just not one to go around calling certain women sluts. That’s just me.

Does this apply to all of the ten commandments, or just specific ones? And isn’t your comment snidely judgmental and shaming of those who would judge and shame sluts?

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Steve October 3, 2010 at 09:18

Renee, Yes you are right, but what is good for society sometimes creates an injustice for an individual.

Just because one woman may have gotten knocked up while not being a slut, does not mean it is good to give all women a slut pass because “we should not judge”. BS, we all judge. All the while many women and manginas are saying do not judge, they are judging who they have sex with, and judging the judgers. They are even more judgmental that the judgers they attack. But their judgment is justified because the judgers have no right to judge. Only non-judmental people have a right to judge.

I worked up a sweat just trying to explain such convoluted thought.

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zed October 3, 2010 at 09:22

Then again, maybe there are a lot of bitches who dress this way so that they can scorn men and feel a sense of their own power that way. Lost causes then. Just wait until no one whistles at them any more….

Game comes to the rescue to explain women’s behavior – it isn’t the attention itself which bothers them, it is the fact that it is coming from the “wrong” males. Whiskey has said many times that women hate, Hate, HATE beta males.

The problem for women is that allowing and condoning such behavior conditions men in two ways that are not to women’s advantage.

First, the more overt a woman is with her sexuality the more a man learns to assume that she is lying – trying to entrap either an alpha male or attract a lesser status man who provides her an opportunity to feed her sick ego by rejecting in the cruelest manner possible.

Second, the more a man comes to expect women to be liars, and the more he hears about how much they hate attention, the more he just tunes out the famous “signals.” How many times have you heard women complain that they have just about had to go up to man they found attractive and clobber him with something to get him to take the next move and give her what she wants?

When this “plausible deniability” of the passive female approach of getting men to make all the overt moves – so they can claim rape the next day – was balanced by social restrictions on everyone’s behavior, it worked as part of the mating game and it was fairly easy for a woman to get a man to “come courting.”

But, now that social controls on women have been completely eliminated, and social controls on men largely replaced by the cancerous growth of a police state, women have to get really outrageous these days to attract much attention. Ever hear of the new term “vajazzling?”

I feel sorry for y0ung people of both sexes. That past 50 years or so has basically cast them adrift in a chaotic culture with no real supports.

They are confused, indeed. And, without guidance from a culture which discourages things which are self-destructive – but which seemed like a good idea at the time – they are cannon fodder for every exploitive scam out there which falsely promises to fill their emptiness.

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 09:24

Renee,

But calling a girl a slut simply because she got pregnant outside of marriage, I don’t think so. You don’t know how many men she slept with or whether she got pregnant after the first time. For all we know, she could’ve gotten pregnant while being with a steady boyfriend.

A 14-year-old girl (or boy, for that matter) shouldn’t be having sex. Sex is for grown-ups. I don’t care if someone wants to call me a prude (the usual epithet for taking sex a little more seriously), I don’t think a 14-year-old should be dating unsupervised either. I don’t care if it’s embarrassing; I’d rather have my daughters chaperoned, preferably by a male family member. If they don’t like it, tough titties.

Then again, I was taught to not judge others. Now I’m sure that there’s a difference between shame and judgement. I’m just not one to go around calling certain women sluts. That’s just me.

That’s fine I suppose, but I think this “don’t judge others” is a bit of a cop out. So do you not judge serial killers and rapists? What about thieves? Or liars? If you;re talking Biblical, it’s “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” This doesn’t mean don’t judge anyone, it means only judge if you are also prepared to be judged. I am prepared to be judged, how about you? Is that the part that makes you uncomfortable?

Anyway, all the back a forth doesn’t negate that someone had sex with that girl and is a father.

But if the girl wasn’t loose in the first place, there would be no need for a discussion.

Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 09:29

Ever hear of the new term “vajazzling?”

I recently heard of this via a Dan Savage column. Pretty ridiculous. And that whole “vajayjay” term is cringeworthy too. So empowered they have to use cutesy names for their manky beef curtains. (I told you, I went to a rugby college, lol).

Renee October 3, 2010 at 09:29
Us men need to take reponsibility also for our sexuality and stop acting like mindless animals who have no control over our actions, because we in fact do and those who think otherwise are weak little creatures who don’t deserve to be called men.

women frolicking half-naked need to “stop acting like mindless animals who have no control over THEIR actions, because THEY in fact do and those who think otherwise are weak little creatures who don’t deserve to be called WOmen”.

See I see this as both sides of the same issue. I think that BOTH need to happen.

Slightly OT,
I remember asking Novaseeker about this issue of all men being labeled as potential rapists and criminals. In the end though, I was left a little confused. While many people hate that all men are seen as potential criminals, at the same time, people will get on a victim for not taking percautions and trusting a stranger too easily. Like a woman stops and helps a male stranger on the side of a road and gets attacked herself, most people will say that they would never help a total stranger.

How are you able to differentiate and separate the two issues?

Lastly,
I think it’s a little problematic to think that the only women who get cat-called are those who dress provacatively and/or half naked. To me, it will make those who dress more conservatively think that it’s ok to go all up-in-arms about being catcalled or something.

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fondueguy October 3, 2010 at 09:30

@Alte October 3, 2010 at 06:36

“Rather, commoditize means:’ “The act of making a process, good or service easy to obtain by making it as uniform, plentiful and affordable as possible. Something becomes commoditized when one offering is nearly indistinguishable from another. As a result of technological innovation, broad-based education and frequent iteration, goods and services become commoditized and, therefore, widely accessible.’”

What a gross misapplication. The problem is that sex is not inherently a process, good, or service. You are likening sex to such things which is very disturbing. Then you say things like we need to make the pussy more scarce and valuable making multiple references to the way prostitutes operate… Someone else had something similar to say to you “I usually enjoy Alte’s posts. I admit that it is inevitable that women use sex to gather resources (so says evopsych). And I know that it is not women’s fault, because they are wired that way.”

Please reread W.F. Price September 30, 2010 at 15:18. It was not directed at you but is a general characterization. After reading your comments, arguments, and interpretations of things I believe that post describes you very well. You’ve described some of your goals and it’s obviously not outright prostitution but as I’ve said “Too often women view their sexuality as inextricably tied to their ability to get, keep, or exert any other control over a man.”

At the spearhead and in the MRM we do not care for the pussy to be treated like its made of gold because it isn’t.

I am getting tired of arguing of arguing with you, especially when you argue semantics and not points.

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Renee October 3, 2010 at 09:44

Steve,

All the while many women and manginas are saying do not judge, they are judging who they have sex with, and judging the judgers. They are even more judgmental that the judgers they attack. But their judgment is justified because the judgers have no right to judge. Only non-judmental people have a right to judge.

I worked up a sweat just trying to explain such convoluted thought.

Lol! And for all that convolutedness (is that a word?), you actually made a good point.

Thag,

A 14-year-old girl (or boy, for that matter) shouldn’t be having sex. Sex is for grown-ups. I don’t care if someone wants to call me a prude (the usual epithet for taking sex a little more seriously), I don’t think a 14-year-old should be dating unsupervised either. I don’t care if it’s embarrassing; I’d rather have my daughters chaperoned, preferably by a male family member. If they don’t like it, tough titties.

Oh I absolutely agree! :D

That’s fine I suppose, but I think this “don’t judge others” is a bit of a cop out. So do you not judge serial killers and rapists? What about thieves? Or liars? If you;re talking Biblical, it’s “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” This doesn’t mean don’t judge anyone, it means only judge if you are also prepared to be judged. I am prepared to be judged, how about you? Is that the part that makes you uncomfortable?

I’ve always seen it as “Who am I to judge someone, and who are they to judge me? No one is perfect, we’re all human. We should concentrate more on getting ourselves right and straightened out before judging anybody else.”

But you do have a point also. It’s something to think about.

But if the girl wasn’t loose in the first place, there would be no need for a discussion.

See….that right there doesn’t sit well with me (and if you’ve seen my past comments, you’ll know why). It’s like you’re alleviating responsibility from the guy in question. Like, he isn’t held to a type of standard himself. For all we know, he could’ve been sexually active himself at 14. Or maybe he was much older, and should’ve known better.

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fondueguy October 3, 2010 at 09:44

@codebuster October 3, 2010 at 05:40

Thank you so much for saying that. Women have always had a very strong influence. That’s why we know feminist theory is BS. In the past men and women created the gender roles, maintained them, and both got privileges and responsibilities.

Women have always had power. I agree we shouldn’t underestimate that. Nor should we be underestimating their understanding of what’s rational and cause and effect. Sure men might be better at that (and more concerned about it) but its a spectrum and if women didn’t know cause and effect they wouldn’t be as good at looking out for themselves or using manipulation, even though a big part of it is cheap emotionalism.

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Migu October 3, 2010 at 09:51

Then again, I was taught to not judge others. Now I’m sure that there’s a difference between shame and judgement. I’m just not one to go around calling certain women sluts. That’s just me.

As were most of us.

Judgment is a virtue not a vice. Without it there is nothing to guide us.

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Migu October 3, 2010 at 09:53

If you don’t Judge, how can you decide?

It is evident, only a small majority decide anymore, because everyone else lacks judgment.

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CashingOut October 3, 2010 at 09:58

@ Renee

No to your whole line of reasoning. Men and women are NOT equally responsible for creating babies out of wedlock, and I’m sick of hearing that. See link below:

50 men and women on a desert island.

I already explained my reasoning in the above link, so I won’t do it again. Bottom line, a million men can sit on their hands, be perfect gentlemen, and do nothing at all to a woman, and still do nothing to prevent an insane crisis of illegitimacy if only 1 man has sex with a million willing sluts. However even if every man in a society is a sex fiend, they can’t make any more bastard babies than there are willing women to carry those bastard babies.

Women want to talk about the power and majesty of carrying life? Here’s the downside to it: when it comes to deciding whether a baby is born out of wedlock or not, the buck stops with you, period.

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Anti Idiocy October 3, 2010 at 10:04

“Mr.” Hogs is probably a woman (Mr. Pig?)

As far as sluts: The single, most prominent meme of US society today, misandry, is but a part of the greater movement of political correctness, which itself is part of the greater movement toward totalitarian government allied with, and to a large extent controlled by, the most powerful big businesses. One of the clearest ways to advance big government is by destroying one of its greatest sources of opposition — the traditional family. Ever wonder why foundations funded by the super rich have given so much money to feminist causes?

Personal freedom is what we most need to pursue. By achieving that, we will do the most to undermine totalitarianism. If a woman wants to be a slut, she has the right to do so. God knows, if she’s at least decent looking, there are plenty of men who will be willing to hump her.

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 10:09

Renee,

I’m not absolving the boy but it’s still true that, barring violent rape, if the girl is unwilling, the boy is out of luck, so to speak.

Re: judging, it’s like how “discriminating” has become a bad word. There was a time when having “discriminating taste” was a compliment. It’s another word that has been misused to the point of absurdity, where everything is perceived as unfair discrimination when there is often good reason for it. We’re letting words think for us, in a sense.

Here’s some more on the battle for language, which is kind of what we’re engaging in here when you think about it.

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Steve October 3, 2010 at 10:20

Skadi,
Personal responsibility is number one. You confuse “freedom” with “license.”

Since I doubt you will look us the definitions, “freedom” includes taking redponsibility, but “license” does not.

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Anti Idiocy October 3, 2010 at 10:24

@ Skadi: “Yea, personal freedom is the number one value. Best combined with personal responsibility.”

On that point, I heartily concur — for men and for women. Men and women should be treated equally under the law — equal rights and equal responsibility, equal opportunity and equal social duty.

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Anonymous October 3, 2010 at 10:42

@evilwhitemaleempire, Anti-feminist women do not pretend to care about men’s rights. If I may speak for myself, I am here because I hope to start a family one day. I want to raise sons who can freely express their masculinity and be able to spot manipulative behavior in women. I don’t want my sons being fed the BS that they are somehow lesser than women or become victims of gender prejudice. To be honest, I’ve learned a lot about the nature of some of my own mannerisms from reading many of the articles and comments.

I know sometimes the women (including myself) here sometimes say things that may sound feminist; believe me, it is usually not intentional. At least we’re here, right?

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Scattered October 3, 2010 at 10:49

You (and men other men here) need to get over your own feelings of inadequacy and insecurity and stop the blatant sexism.

What is the basis for this assumption? Sexism does not imply untruth.

they use and objectify women for their own sexual gratification and sadly society allows this to happen.

I am free to perceive women how I wish, why should society make such thoughts criminal? It is simply not your business nor your problem whether I objectify women.

We men can freely visit a brothel, pick up a woman – or even two, if we are feeling particuarly small, we can go to an adult store and take a pick of countless violent pornographic depictions of women, and much worse…and all this is acceptable because we call ourselves men.

It is acceptable just as it is acceptable for women to be sluts neither behaviors are entitled to approval and neither are.

Everyday man commits horrific hateful crimes against women: rape, other domestic and public violence or threats of violence

Not me, don’t care.

Not to mention the overwhelming majority of victims of violence are men but clearly that doesn’t matter does it.

Until you walk in the shoes of a woman, a man could never understand the level of fear and trepidation some women feel when simply walking down a city or suburban street.

I refuse to be held responsible for another persons feelings, if a women fears walking down the street thats her problem.

And yet some women, whom you call “sluts”, have the audacity to ignore this fear and embrace their sexuality. For this they should be applauded and admired, not ridiculed and belittled.

You don’t like the slut double standard yet create your own one by demonizing male sexuality while glorifying female sexuality. Oh the irony.

Most men who fear this celebration of female sexuality are simply afraid that women are becoming such strong and assertive individuals that they will no longer be able to controll them and abuse them without consequences. So my point is: Get over your insecurity and love for control over women in this patriarchal society and do what you know in your heart of hearts to be right – the right thing, by the way, is that thing that isn’t the result of fear or hate but of the wider consideration for all of human-kind.

You have shown me the way oh wise Yoda, I must learn to let go of the fear and hate or forever be consumed by the dark side.

And one more point on this poor excuse of an article: you call a poor 14 year old pregnant girl a “slut” because she has obviously had sex and fallen pregant. Why don’t you ask where is the father? How old is he/was he old enough to know better? Us men need to take reponsibility also for our sexuality and stop acting like mindless animals who have no control over our actions, because we in fact do and those who think otherwise are weak little creatures who don’t deserve to be called men.

Completely wrong, I will try explain this complicated concept as clearly as possible. The child does not have to be born if the mother doesn’t want it to, the mother has complete control over what happens, if the mother chose to keep it it is her choice. The mother is completely responsible for the child coming into existence.

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Lavazza October 3, 2010 at 10:50

“It’s really quite simple, and I know that women who complain about the attention they get for the way they dress are completely full of shit. They are bragging, not really complaining.”

A Swedish female comedian published a book called “If somebody does not pinch my ass soon, I am going home”. ;-)

http://www.adlibris.com/se/product.aspx?isbn=9146170251

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alpha October 3, 2010 at 10:55

[[How about, where are the parents? Anyway, all the back a forth doesn’t negate that someone had sex with that girl and is a father.]]

oh,nonononoooo.N-O-T where are the PARENTS! seeing how women get preference in custody battles, how women are hardly ever accused of paedophilia, and so on, it’s MOMMY’S responsibility to care more for ickle princess.

was he father when he had sex with said girl?No,of course not woman.
Have you forgotten what you women say?
“MY BODY, MY CHOICE!”
to which I add “YOUR HEADACHE”
Do the words, “Birth Control” mean anything to you?
Did the boy WANT TO BE A FATHER??????

oh yeah, no data available.

or have i misunderstood something?

oh yeah, one more thing.
[[all the back a forth doesn’t negate that someone had sex with that girl and is a father.]]]]

wrong choice of words.
what you mean to say is:

all the back a forth doesn’t negate that girl had sex with someone and is a mother.

@skadi
[[The funny thing is you can cuss all you want, it is not going to make any difference to us, modern women. You have no control over our sexuality and you never will. In fact, you should be happy that we still give it to you. If you disrespect us, we might as well not sleep with you anymore. It’s not that hard]]
No one has any control over you. Therefore, you are an uncontrolled bunch of animals, and need to be restrained.
is that A threat?oooh we’re shaking!girls like Skadi ain’t gonna give us no more!waaaaaaaah

[[Btw, male sluts aren’t that attractive either, despite the stereotype. Men who are indiscriminate about who they sleep with cannot be taken seriously and are not attractive as partners. Besides they are most likely not healthy, full of STDs]]

at least they don’t get pregnant and then blame it on the opposite sex

[[Mr Hogs is great. It is marvellous that such men even exist. Bless them.]]

lol feel free to be locked in everlasting hell together,leeches.

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Herbal Essence October 3, 2010 at 11:13

Renee-You may not want women judged for being skanks, but men spend every single day of their lives getting criticized by women for about 10,000 things. So, deal with it.

I, personally, don’t judge skanks as long as they are willing to deal with the consequences. Alas, very few are.

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misterb October 3, 2010 at 11:18

Personally I don’t tolerate skanks. For starters they set a bad example for today’s youth.

Here’s a word of advice, there’s no such thing as equality. There hasn’t been. So there you go.

I don’t think the likes of Renee is able to tolerate anything. Much less a sneeze, coming from cockroach.

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Lavazza October 3, 2010 at 11:20

The man who first brought Indian philosophy to the US at the Parliament of Religions in 1893 was called Swami Vivekanda. Vivek means discrimination or discernment and ananda means bliss.

Who would be so stupid as to attack discernment? Somebody might be wrong about was is right or wrong/true or false/important or non-important/real or unreal. But to attack the effort/concept/action of judgment/discrimination/discernment really blows my mind. And of course, logically, such an attack can only be based on judgment/discrimination/discernment to be viable.

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Solomon II October 3, 2010 at 11:25

@ Malestrom

“Of course as I never, ever tire of pointing out to women whenever they call me out on my open, brutal and gleeful slut shaming, if some 5 foot nothing, 90lb weakling of a woman, who would jump and squeal at the sight of a mouse or spider were to enter the room and say ”I need a real man, I want a big, strong, brave man to look after me, whats how men are supposed to be and I want a real manly man” nobody would be saying shit. Nobody would be saying ”you arent allowed to desire traits in a mate that you do not possess yourself, so it is hypocritical (and by extension unacceptable and wrong) for you to prioritize strength and courage when you yourself are a feeble coward”. Nobody would say that, nobody would even think that, because by God its a woman’s right to want whatever it pleases her to want regardless of whether she lives up to those expectations herself or not.”

Nice. Consider it stolen!

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 11:49

It is very easy to bully young girls into having sex.

I think in many ways it is easier for a girl to coerce a boy than it is for a boy to coerce an unwilling girl. I daresay most young boys are not going to rape a girl to get laid, but a girl who wants to can use all sorts of beguiling tricks to get a young boy to have sex. You are falling into the trap of thinking young girls can’t be schemers and are all innocent in this. But girls want to appear innocent (i.e. not slutty) for the most part, so will play that part and then later cry rape. Obviously there are actual cases of rape, but we do a disservice to everyone by painting girls as innocent victims of the male sexual drive.

As usual, here is the duality in feminist “thought”: females are free agents yet still victims of that beast known as male sexuality, which must be tamed to protect helpless “empowered” females. It’s nonsensical. You can’t eat your cake and have it too!

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zimmy October 3, 2010 at 15:13

Skadi: “…it is just beyond my comprehension.”
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It seems many logical opinions are. That’s because you are so ‘woman-centered’ and objective thought is beyond you.

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Anonymous October 3, 2010 at 15:46

“sorry, it is just beyond my comprehension.”

That’s because you’re an idiot. I’m sorry none of those Swedish men want you, but who can blame them? They have options, and I suppose you’re not even on their booty-call list (perhaps lose some weight?). But then, they have Baltic women to be with, so why would any of them want you?

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crella October 3, 2010 at 16:40

‘How about the parents’?

In many states now, you don’t even need parental permission for an abortion. The teenage father can’t object either as it’s ‘her body, her choice’. Feminism at work, abortion without restriction the Holy Grail. In addition, father’s rights to see their own children have been pretty much trampled. No parents on duty, for one reason or another…post-divorce restrictions, apathy, abdicating parental responsibility in order to be ‘friends’ with your kids, no one wants to put their foot down.

I really do not understand what kind of a woman you are that you are unable to defend a younger one.

The best thing is love and sex simultaneously, but unfortunately most men do not grasp such a concept, as they are interested in sex above all.

Moooooooo~! I hear the herd calling…
Defend them, right or wrong? Typical feminist relativist bullshit. Defend even those totally in the wrong because they’re female. This attitude is what is the basis for women defending people like Mary Winkler, making excuses for horrible acts, even cold-blooded murder, just because you both have vaginas. Not a good enough reason for thinking men and women, Skadi. And, in typical schizophrenic feminist fashion, you are asking for blanket approval or women’s behavior from other women (how can you not defend them!?) while in the next breath you trash men. You’re a real piece of entitled princess feminist work, Skadi.

If you;re talking Biblical, it’s “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” This doesn’t mean don’t judge anyone, it means only judge if you are also prepared to be judged.I am prepared to be judged, how about you?

Thank you. I’m getting a bit tired of (mostly women) on discussion threads holding up ‘not judging’ people as some superior character trait, when to me it just looks like extreme reluctance to make any kind of moral or ethical stand on an issue.

I dressed pretty low key precisely because I didn’t want to attract the wrong kind of attention…………… I was not raised religious or anything like that, but something in me knew that there was good attention and bad attention and I wasn’t equipped at the time to deal with the bad attention, so I didn’t invite it……………I know that women who complain about the attention they get for the way they dress are completely full of shit. They are bragging, not really complaining.

So much truth in one paragraph :-D Yes, you can limit the kind of attention you receive, in part it is up to you. I did the same thing. I wasn’t ready to start dating and was too shy to talk much with boys . My mother tried to push me to date, browbeat me about not being popular, about not having a boyfriend, went on about how if I didn’t get an early start I wouldn’t be able to get married. I thought mothers were supposed to be happy if their daughters were sensible, but mine was concerned about my ‘popularity’. Go figure. Sorry, an extrovert I am not. Had a few long talks with my father, asked him to get her off my back and bless him he did.

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Renee October 3, 2010 at 17:13

Crella,

In many states now, you don’t even need parental permission for an abortion. The teenage father can’t object either as it’s ‘her body, her choice’. Feminism at work, abortion without restriction the Holy Grail. In addition, father’s rights to see their own children have been pretty much trampled. No parents on duty, for one reason or another…post-divorce restrictions, apathy, abdicating parental responsibility in order to be ‘friends’ with your kids, no one wants to put their foot down.

Yeah I agree. I was just speaking in general to be honest.

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 17:16

Skadi, if you don’t want to talk to me, get off this thread. You post your inane drivel on my post, you’re talking to me. Tough shit if you don’t like it.

To answer your mindless wondering, here’s what kind of woman I am: I’m a woman who, having grown up in this post-feminist culture, absorbed a good bit of it and said (and done) plenty of dumbass things in the past because of it, has since come to her senses. I am the kind of woman who doesn’t want to see pictures of my daughters like that disgusting picture at the top of this post. I’m the kind of woman who actually cares about my kids enough to want to do some teeny tiny thing to try to make some sort of a difference in this fucked up, degenerate culture in which we live.

Is that enough for you? If you don’t want to try to understand what is going on here, why don’t you take your snivelling nonsense somewhere else? Yeah, I’m pissed off because I get fed the fuck up with people like you who think someone is somehow less of a woman for holding opinions that don’t jive with the prevailing stench of PC/feminist wind that’s been blowing in the western world for the last 50 years.

Kathy October 3, 2010 at 18:31

” here’s what kind of woman I am: I’m a woman who, having grown up in this post-feminist culture, absorbed a good bit of it and said (and done) plenty of dumbass things in the past because of it, has since come to her senses. I am the kind of woman who doesn’t want to see pictures of my daughters like that disgusting picture at the top of this post. I’m the kind of woman who actually cares about my kids enough to want to do some teeny tiny thing to try to make some sort of a difference in this fucked up, degenerate culture in which we live. ”

Well, after reading all that you have written here, Thag, I can describe what kind of a woman you are quite succinctly.

YOU ARE A DAMN GOOD ONE! :)

So.. put that in your pipe and smoke it, Skadi.

Disclaimer: I usually ignore Skadi’s, scatological screeds… because she is a feminist stirrer who gets a kick out of winding people up… However , I make an exception in this case.

Can somebody be that obtuse? Really????( shakes head sadly)

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Thag Jones October 3, 2010 at 19:41

Yeah, I got a little riled there, but damn! Sometimes people need to be put in their place. ::shakes head in sympathy::

Fidelbogen October 3, 2010 at 20:08

“You (and men other men here) need to get over your own feelings of inadequacy and insecurity and stop the blatant sexism. The issue here is that some women are daring to be explicitly sexual. Men, however, are guilty of being much more sexually explicit than most women; they use and objectify women for their own sexual gratification and sadly society allows this to happen. We men can freely visit a brothel, pick up a woman – or even two, if we are feeling particuarly small, we can go to an adult store and take a pick of countless violent pornographic depictions of women, and much worse…and all this is acceptable because we call ourselves men. Everyday man commits horrific hateful crimes against. . . . etc etc etc….”

Mr. Hogs: you are breaking wind through your mouth.

Explain to me EXACTLY what the hell the following statement is supposed to mean, and use examples:

“You (and men other men here) need to get over your own feelings of inadequacy and insecurity and stop the blatant sexism. ”

Are you a goddamn mind reader, or what? If you think you know what other men’s feelings are, better than THEY do, then you friggin’ well better have the goods to back yourself up, buddy! So put up or shut up!

Next, go through that long, tragic list of alleged male crimes and provide EVIDENCE! First, tell me very, very specifically WHO behaves in this manner; give me a list of names!I mean actual, real-life people who can be queried, and also give their side of the story. Put up or shut up!

And don’t tell me that some abstract creature called “men” does these things; that is a fucking cop-out! There is no such person as “men”! And for that matter, no such person as “women”, either!

Get back to me; I await your response because I wish to see you squirm. I’m just sadistic that way!

Put up or shut up, idiot!

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sestamibi October 3, 2010 at 22:14

I don’t have time to plow through all the comments, so forgive me if someone said this already:

The 14-year old girl isn’t banging a 14-year old horny boy. She’s banging a 20-25 year old for status.

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David Collard October 3, 2010 at 22:55

MrHogs

When American women stop killing their unborn children, come and lecture us about the immorality of men.

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anon October 4, 2010 at 03:03

“A 14-year-old unwed pregnant girl used to be called a slut. Calling her something else doesn’t change what she is. ”

Uh…a 14-year-old pregnant girl is a victim of child abuse. Unless you’re endorsing ephebophilia on top of all the other bullshit you spout here. Actually, though, that wouldn’t surprise me.

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Migu October 4, 2010 at 03:31

Thanks for the language link. Very nice

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Richard October 4, 2010 at 09:45

@Thag:

“I can’t imagine more than a small minority of men actually wanting to settle down with the town bike.”

The town bike never reveals itself as being the town bike.

Since when do women (like this) reveal their TRUE past to the men they are dating?

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Omnipitron October 4, 2010 at 09:52

Can somebody be that obtuse? Really????( shakes head sadly)

Just a theory, but I believe it’s denial and I doubt our friend Skadi is the only one suffering from this affliction. I’m sure many women who read any of this information shake their heads or become indignant at the brutal honesty. Being told that their looks and therefore leverage over men won’t last forever and the serious implications this entails. That men are beginning to wise up and that marriage, which women covet, causes more and more men to pause and reconsider while women lose precious time. That and the fact that good men are becoming a rare commodity and thugs are now over represented.

That collapse of everything the hold dear is imminent and the only way to avoid it, is to surrender the very power which allows them leverage over men in the first place. For many women, it would indeed be a very scary realization to face, and most either can’t accept it, or won’t.

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Steve October 4, 2010 at 10:12

Today I finally am able to articulate something that has been rumbling around in the back of my brain.

It seems that collectively women are acting with the characteristics of BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder). Collectively men have been acting as a non-BPD that is finally realizing reality after living in the crazy world for so long. For an individual man faced with this situation with an individual woman, the best choice is to get away. But there is always a very high price to pay. Collectively men beginning to decide to get away from women.

This does not mean that men also do not have a collective personality disorder, but I have not yet contemplated that topic. And no, I do not need suggestions from the women as to what that might be, because it would likely be an exercise of projection of female behavoir upon men. (Projection is a characteristic of BPD.)

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Steve October 4, 2010 at 10:14

Today I finally am able to articulate something that has been rumbling around in the back of my brain.

It seems that collectively women are acting with the characteristics of BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder). Collectively men have been acting as a non-BPD that is finally realizing reality after living in the crazy world for so long. For an individual man faced with this situation with an individual woman, the best choice is to get away. But there is always a very high price to pay. Collectively men beginning to decide to get away from women.

This does not mean that men also do not have a collective personality disorder, but I have not yet contemplated that topic. And no, I do not need suggestions from the women as to what that might be, because it would likely be an exercise of projection of female behavior upon men. (Projection is a characteristic of BPD.)

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Herbal Essence October 4, 2010 at 10:30

Steve / women’s Borderline Personality Disorder-

I agree with you, but I would be hesitant to say that because it may justify the victim mentality that women have. I’ve heard women admit female collective insanity and then fully blame the Patriarchy for “making” women act that way.

Interestingly enough, about a year ago I talked to a female psychologist at a nature festival in the mountains. She seemed to have a very balanced attitude on male-female relations. She said “the Feminine” is sick in our society, manifesting as terrible female behaviors, and fucking over good men. And she acknowledged that women need to submit to “the Masculine” to allow themselves the healing they need. Yes, her language was a little woo-woo, but I believe there was much truth and rare honesty there.

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CashingOut October 4, 2010 at 10:43

@ Thag:

Someone should frame that exchange between you and Skadi. It illustrates the mindset of the “modern woman” and what happens when it meets a woman who actually uses her brain to think for herself.

I’m pretty sure Skadi’s “brain” or what passes for it exploded: she just can’t grasp a female who isn’t in “the hive.” That’s because sadly, there aren’t many. For all women’s bitching about how feminism is for equal rights and such, this is what it boils down to right here:

I really do not understand what kind of a woman you are that you are unable to defend a younger one.

What kind of a woman you are yourself that you vilify and demonize young girls.. sorry, it is just beyond my comprehension.

She just doesn’t get how you can make a decision based on something other than your genitalia. If she and every other woman in the world were to be for throwing men into gas chanbers and ovens, she would expect you to go along with this gleefully, and look at you funny if for some reason you did not. Things like “how would this affect me in the long term, how would this affect loved ones and friends who are men, what are the motives of the people who want to do this, and do they really have my best interest at heart,” aren’t to be considered. What matters is that the sisterhood wants something, and you’re a “sister” so you should agree.

This is why so many in the past have agreed with the sentiment that “women have no souls.” A soul is an individual thing that you and you alone use to make decisions. If you’re an atheist you can say mind, or whatever. The point being that when it comes to personal introspection, and makind decisions, women do NOT use metrics such as what I have described. Their metric is “what are all the other women doing,” the consequences be damned. When they come across a woman who isn’t doing something “just because she’s a woman,” they literally cannot comprehend it. It’s like if you were to look at a million dimensional hypercube: you could not comprehend it. You couldn’t even try, you aren’t equipped to comprehend it properly.

Someone should frame that exchange: I’m already saving it to my hard drive.

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Omnipitron October 4, 2010 at 13:10

@ Thag and CashingOut.

One of the things which always confused me was the amoung of woman who grabbed for power seemingly not worried about the consequences of the future generations. I’ve talked to women with children whe didn’t agree with the current situations, but, like others have said, had no intentions or desires to change said circumstances.

I mean, I can remember encountering a woman who had said that a man is stupid for getting married in the West, and she had some children of her own. For goodness sake, that means an increased chance of no grand children for her once they are older and she doesn’t see an issue with this?? Then again, she was a woman who would use the term ‘Men really hate women’ fairly often so take that anyway you want to.

At the very least Thag, you comprehend the world your kids are facing while feminists, and even some ‘normal’ women haven’t the foggiest notion of what this means to their collective futures. Such foresight is unfortunately rare amongst women.

Aas for Cluster B personality Disorders and Skadi’s surprise at women like Thag, responsible women make feminists look bad. Consider the mantra’s of Feminists, independance, choices, blah blah, and tell me, which type of woman follows that description better? A feminist, or the Alte’s, Hestia’s and Thags of the world?

How do you think it looks on these womyn when they gorge themselves on their emotions and they look around and see someone like Thag using her rational thinking and questioning their behavior? How empowered do they feel when a woman actually uses her skills to achieve something of greatness in their lives while they simply use their gender?

Simply put, women like the few I listed are threats to feminists, because they choose not to be victims in their lives, and the scariest thing; it shows that the Patriarchy can’t be quite as bad as the media paints it if a woman can succeed without the help of Feminism. Or even worse, if she succeeds and decries feminism, double whammy right there.

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Alte October 4, 2010 at 14:40

I am the kind of woman who doesn’t want to see pictures of my daughters like that disgusting picture at the top of this post.

Everytime I see that photo, I cringe. It’s really gross. The crotch on the left is especially nauseating. To show how idiotic sluttish behavior is, check out this picture. Now, can you more accurately recall the faces of the women in the photo on the top, or the photo I linked to?

Exactly. I don’t know what the sluts’ faces look like, either. I just remember the hole… er… crotch.

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crella October 4, 2010 at 15:41

Uh…a 14-year-old pregnant girl is a victim of child abuse.

Got another one, where’s the flyswatter?

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Keoni Galt October 4, 2010 at 16:26

This was a good piece, Thag, but I have one quibble with it: There is no such thing as the “sexual double standard.”

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Fidelbogen October 4, 2010 at 16:36

You (and men other men here) need to get over your own feelings of inadequacy and insecurity and stop the blatant sexism. The issue here. . .etc. . “

Mr. Hogs: you apparently do not realize that the author(ess) of this article is a woman!

I’ve seen a lot of feminist musings on removing the shame from the word slut, and lamenting the “double standard” that it implies.

ThagJones: But. . IS there a double standard in reality? And is this standard societally endemic, straight across the board? Or is it more accurate to say, that certain sectors of society practice this standard. . and others don’t?

Again, it is a curious case of the feminists “wishing something for” women in general, without actually consulting women in general. And what the feminists are wishing for women in this case, is the freedom to emulate the lower forms of male behavior. “If men can act like pigs”, the reasoning seems to go, “then women should act like pigs too.”

Notice that I didn’t say should be free to act like pigs. I said should act like pigs. That seems to be what the feminists want for women, as betrayed by their prevailing amorality of evaluation on the subject of sluttery — shading, at times, into something positively celebratory. All in all, in my considered opinion, the feminists would RATHER women be sluts than otherwise. Reason being, as they see it, that it erodes The Patriarchy.

But again, the feminist crusade against a so-called double standard is delusional if not simply mendacious, since it is not entirely clear that such a standard actually exists.

For example, when was the last time anybody saw ME handing out gold medals for the male equivalent of slut behavior? And I know I am not alone in my attitude.

Finally, let’s not forget that some of the most vigorous slut-shamers are women themselves. I have lived long enough to recognize that quite clearly.

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crella October 4, 2010 at 18:29

Projection is a characteristic of BPD

Don’t give them excuses :-) There is no reason for such a large percentage of the population to act like this other than being totally self-centered and being raised as an entitled princess. It’s not mental illness, just selfishness and the result of living by your fe-e-e-eeelings.

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Steve October 5, 2010 at 04:32

Game can reflect the projection back on the projector, which blinds the hamsters. The hamsters then become even more unpredictable, may reverse directions, may stop running, or may run in fits and starts. In any case the projector can become quite unstable and may even fall off the pedestal.

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Thag Jones October 5, 2010 at 06:30

If she and every other woman in the world were to be for throwing men into gas chanbers and ovens, she would expect you to go along with this gleefully, and look at you funny if for some reason you did not.

The problem with that is, I like men! If they were throwing all the men into the gas chambers and ovens, there’d be nothing but women…. Fuck. I think I’d throw myself in the oven with the men.

Alte, the more I see that picture, the uglier it looks. And the one you linked to… Yeah, much more attractive. I can’t believe I’m starting to sympathize with Islam – is this a conspiracy or something?!

Keoni Galt October 4, 2010 at 16:26
This was a good piece, Thag, but I have one quibble with it: There is no such thing as the “sexual double standard.”

I did read that when you posted it (I think I was still in the “read don’t comment” stage of things here). I actually do agree with you, and perhaps I should have worded it, “IF there is a sexual double standard, it is what Nature gave us.” Is that better? Maybe not, lol. I’ll keep that one in mind though, because I do think you’re right about that and I hadn’t thought about it all that much before I came to this site apart from in the usual way (i.e. not fair!)

It’s sort of a tricky line to walk when you want people to see a different point of view without completely alienating them. Trying to reprogram a feminist is like trying to get a junkie clean – you need the methadone as a bridge to sobriety.

Fidelbogen, good points.

nothingbutthetruth October 5, 2010 at 06:44

With exceptions such as Thag, this is everything you have to need about women:

I really do not understand what kind of a woman you are that you are unable to defend a younger one.

What kind of a woman you are yourself that you vilify and demonize young girls.. sorry, it is just beyond my comprehension.

A woman deems UNTHINKABLE that a woman criticizes other women. Most women would deffend a female killer before Gandhi.

Go Team Vagina!!!

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Alte October 5, 2010 at 07:13

I can’t believe I’m starting to sympathize with Islam – is this a conspiracy or something?!

No, it’s conversion.

Islam is showing us their women, then looking at our women, staring at us pointedly, and asking, “Are you busy, or would you like to be introduced to some nice girls who aren’t selfish, retarded sluts? We have plenty. You have to pray facing Mecca first, though. It’s a matter of form, as we don’t let our women go to just anybody.”

Christianity did the same thing once, about 2000 years ago. It’s very effective. We now have feminists and sluts (or feminist sluts) and they have hordes of women like this. Propoganda extraordinaire. We just can’t compete with that. Either our women improve, or we’re screwed.

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Thag Jones October 5, 2010 at 07:23

I do think there is a happy medium between full on conversion to a religious faith (particularly where something like Sharia law is involved) and the hedonistic culture we have now. The pendulum may have to swing closer to the former before it gets to the latter, but that’s what it tends to do.

Anonymous October 5, 2010 at 20:05

@Thag: “Yeah, I’m pissed off because I get fed the fuck up with people like you who think someone is somehow less of a woman for holding opinions that don’t jive with the prevailing stench of PC/feminist wind that’s been blowing in the western world for the last 50 years.”

Clearly you’ve been duped by your oppressors. ;)

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Nergal October 6, 2010 at 06:03

“Most men who fear this celebration of female sexuality are simply afraid that women are becoming such strong and assertive individuals that they will no longer be able to controll them and abuse them without consequences. So my point is: Get over your insecurity and love for control over women in this patriarchal society and do what you know in your heart of hearts to be right – the right thing, by the way, is that thing that isn’t the result of fear or hate but of the wider consideration for all of human-kind.”

FAG.

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SingleDad October 6, 2010 at 10:38

I read the posts but didn’t see this point made and if I missed it sorry, so many posts.

I believe the reason for feminists going on about slut shaming and why younger women are so slutty today is because feminists hate heterosexual sex.

They are lesbians and hate men.

By letting women get screwed over by thugs for years they learn to hate men. Ask any prostitute.

So they are conditioning girls early on to hate men.

Also, all this sexual liberty appeals to young women so it sells feminism.

So from a PR point of view it’s a win with their “members” and from a political point of view it is a win because more women see men as only wanting sex and not relationships and turns nice normal women into prostitutes.

Thirdly these women will get pregnant from this behavior. Also a win win for the feminists. If she wants the kid she’s a feminist for life because they are the union representing single moms at all levels of government.

If they don’t want the kid they abort and become feminists for life to keep justifying to themselves how it was just fine to murder their baby.

This is strickly my opinion.

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Nergal October 6, 2010 at 19:32

Here’s my fucking thought for the day: Why act like a slut if you’re gonna feel guilty about it later because somebody calls you one?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Now, I’m fine with people engaging in all sorts of behaviors others might call “deviant”,but if you’re gonna do it,do it and be proud of it or DON’T DO IT AT ALL.

Can anyone imagine Richard Ramirez getting squeamish because people called him a “monster”? Or a professional arsonist explaining that his job is just as respectable as the carpenter’s,who BUILT the buildings which he burns down?It’s ludicrous. It could be a Saturday Night Live skit.

This is another case of women wanting it both ways. They want to go out every night and get pounded by every dick in town and then they want to be able to come home covered in jizz and call themselves virginal. In other words, TOTALLY DOING IT WRONG.

You can’t multitask shit like this. This is a major step in ONE direction. In order to step forward, you have to ABANDON the place you are at. You don’t walk forward very well if one foot never leaves its original position. So women end up being terrible sluts and terrible virgins at the same time.

If you’re gonna be naughty, be the naughtiest person on the block. Do it and enjoy it,and then of course,suffer the consequences GRACEFULLY later when the chickens come home to roost. If you feel regret and embarrassment about it, you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.

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David Collard October 6, 2010 at 22:01

You make a good point, Nergal. But “progressives” are never satisfied with acceptance or tolerance – they want approval, from everybody. They want everybody to call the behaviour of whorish women “empowered” and nobody, except a few backwoods losers, to call them “sluts”. As long as there is a body of serious people who still call them “sluts”, they have a problem. One day, such a woman may meet a man she really likes, and is even turned on by, and he may not want a slut. That is what haunts them.

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Thag Jones October 7, 2010 at 07:04

Exactly David – I really don’t care if someone wants to be a slut, just don’t expect me to want it in my face everywhere I go. What you do in private is your business, which is why I hate “pride parades.” I’m not interested in someone else’s deviant sexual practices – and by deviant, I mean deviating from the norm. I still wonder when we’ll also see “envy parades” and “gluttony parades” – we still have a long way to go toward approving of everyone!

Of course the problem is, being a slut seems to be more or less the norm now, and those who disapprove become the deviants (or at least fuddy duddies).

nothingbutthetruth October 13, 2010 at 07:29

“Here’s my fucking thought for the day: Why act like a slut if you’re gonna feel guilty about it later because somebody calls you one?”

Because it is good to feel the gina tingle. But being called slut decreases your social status and your chances of landing a worthy mate.

That is, you want the right without the consequences. It is another case of having it both ways.

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