“Reimagining Masculinity” and the Macho, Macho Murse

by Jack Donovan on September 27, 2010

Newsweek to Men: MAN UP! (And become a nurse.)

On the heels of Hanna Rosin’s smugly shrugging, short-on-solutions piece in The Atlantic, titled “The End of Men,” Andrew Romano and Tony Dokoupil cranked out a cover article for Newsweek recently that goaded men to “MAN UP!” With a supportive hand on one another’s shoulders, they coughed and tried to muster up a tone that sounded authoritative – no doubt consulting the former writers of television’s Home Improvement – and offered some suggestions for ways men might get back on track. Or at least remain men together.

The only suggestions they could come up with, though, were the same “suggestions” feminists have been giving men for decades. In a nutless nutshell (they are at least as biased and as dismissive of men who disagree with them), Romano and Dokoupil want men to “reimagine” masculinity so that they can adapt to the future that political progressives prefer to envision – a social, design and managerial class future where everything is magically grown and manufactured somewhere else. Feminists like anti-“tough guise” activist Jackson Katz, Gloria Steinem-approved Michael Kimmel, and MTF transsexual R.W. Connell have likewise been imploring us to “re-imagine” masculinity for decades. By thus “reimagining” hegemonic strength and dominance-based masculine hierarchies to value a spectrum of “masculinities” – from the mountain man to the meterosexual – equally, Connell et al. assure men that they will feel freer and become more socially and emotionally (and now financially!) successful.

From the perspective of most feminists – and the “MAN UP!” guys don’t even bother to cite the male feminists, they quote directly from the gospel of Susan Faludi – traditional strength and dominance based masculine ideals emphasize sex differences, exclude females, oppress weaker men, and perpetuate a culture of violence. These positions are politically loaded and morally gerrymandered, but when taken at face value, they are basically accurate and can be reasonably convincing in the absence of good counter-arguments. However, the most important thing about traditional masculinity to feminists is that, by excluding women and emphasizing sex differences, it undermines the interests of feminists.

Amusingly, as at least one feminist noticed, Romano and Dokoupil undermine their own message by awkwardly wielding the language of the traditional man to convince readers his appeal is on the wane. After characterizing men as layabouts who need to take the “path to masculinity paved with girly jobs and dirty diapers” the “MAN UP!” guys invoke the heroic ideal – the man of action– when they imply that it is most masculine for a man to do “whatever it takes.”

It’s not that there is anything wrong with changing dirty diapers if it is a job that needs to be done.  But that’s a bit of a canard, too. I’ve never met an average, middle class father who actually refuses to diaper or feed his children. It’s just that it isn’t part of any “path to masculinity” per se. Changing diapers isn’t about manhood; it’s not a gender-defining behavior for men. It’s a task. You don’t have to overreach and “reimagine masculinity” to the point where masculinity is a meaningless, gender-neutral feel-good word to get men to help raise their kids.

And you don’t have to turn daddies into mommies. Romano and Dokoupil mention Sweden’s paternity leave system positively in passing, so while this would normally seem like an absurd slippery slope argument, it seems relevant to mention that at least one Swedish dad is now attempting to breastfeed. Sweden also has a different culture, a different demographic makeup, and an economy just smaller than that of the State of New Jersey. The “argument from Sweden,” a favorite of liberal American europhiles, remains far from compelling.

Conspicuously absent here is any mention of the advantages women have in attaining custody of their children following a divorce. If women are truly thriving, and men are being left at home, an inverse arrangement where women work twice as hard to pay child support to stay-at-home dads seems reasonable enough. Given the rate of divorce and the fact that most divorces are initiated by women, one would think this would be relevant if you are sincerely worried about dads getting more involved in parenting. Fewer people seem to care about disparities that favor the interests of women. But if you’re going to re-imagine masculinity and get men to take an equal or better role at home, you also have to fight systems that treat them like secondary parents.

The “MAN UP!” guys also note that more men need to go into teaching, but again, they go by the feminist playbook and blame “Marlboro Man” masculinity (when will that cliché wear out?) instead of addressing any other legitimate concerns men might have. For instance, many men feel especially vulnerable to accusations of inappropriate conduct around children. This is not because they are afraid they might be tempted to do something wrong, but because people are more likely to suspect and accuse men of career and reputation-killing misconduct.

Family and educational matters aside, Romano and Dokoupil also believe men need to reimagine masculinity so that they feel more comfortable pursuing careers in the booming healthcare industry – specifically, nursing. This is one of my favorite feminist tropes, because a lucrative career in nursing seems to be one of the only advantages tone-deaf feminists can come up with to sell the complete abandonment of traditional masculine ideals. Your detachable manhood, apparently, is the key to your exciting and rewarding future as a nurse.

"Helloooooo Nurse!"Nursing is an iconic career. As with a policeman or a firefighter or a farmer, we carry around a picture of a nurse in our heads. For many of us, the nurse remains a compassionate female figure, dressed in white. Perhaps she has a cap on her head with a big red cross in the front.  Maybe she’s a sexy cartoon.

If you’ve been inside a hospital lately, you know that modern nurses don’t wear sexy white outfits. The modern nurse spends most of his or her workday in some sort of frumpy pajamas. Further, the highly qualified modern nurse is probably not the person who wipes your forehead or holds your hand. Other, lower level healthcare professionals and caregivers do that sort of thing. A modern nurse is an educated, skilled intermediate level medical professional. They often have specialties and some are involved in medical research. Very little of what nurses do today requires an overflowing abundance of oxytocin.

So, from my admittedly limited knowledge of what nurses today do, I really don’t see nursing as an emasculating profession. There are manlier professions, sure, but our culture caters most to female consumers, so it’s hard to find a job today that doesn’t require one to listen sweetly to the troubles of strangers and dutifully say “yes, ma’am.”  Plenty of manly contractors and movers spend their days prostrating themselves before a woman with a wallet. As such, I use the slang “murse” (male nurse) above only in jest. Men everywhere are made painfully aware that it is no longer a man’s world, and the job of a nurse has changed a lot since the days of Florence Nightingale.

If writers like Rosin and Romano and Dokoupil were truly concerned about the plight of men in America, and sincerely wanted to help them transition into female-dominated—but not necessarily effeminate – areas of the healthcare field, why not address some of men’s concerns about those fields honestly? Telling men to “MAN UP!” and become nurses is dissonant. If, as Romano and Dokoupil unconvincingly claim, emasculating men is not the point of this exercise, then why not lobby the healthcare industry to make nursing more appealing to men?

Why not reimagine nursing?

Separate the job from its female iconography and sell it to men. It’s my understanding that a decent looking straight male enrolled in a nursing program can more or less play the harem bull, but that’s not what I mean.

Why not change the name of the profession?

Sure, you’ll have to change some stationary, but if it’s that important that men become nurses, why not do what we did for the secretary? Outside of high profile government and military realms, the word “secretary” carried a lot of cultural baggage. At least partially due to portrayals in film and television, the secretary was seen as a perky female helper to the male boss. In the wake of the sexual revolution, women found this image demeaning, and the industry standard changed. The person who filled the role of secretary in the old days is now an administrative assistant, and very few men are going to bother ribbing a male admin about being a “secretary.” It’s not a manly job or a womanly job. It’s just a job. No one really had to change ideals of womanhood or manhood to change the way we looked at the job. The old image is preserved on film, but more or less forgotten in the everyday working world.

Men don’t seem to have a problem being radiologists or physical therapists or EMTs or X-Ray techs. They have a problem with the image of the nurse, and the word nurse. It’s an understandable problem. The word “nurse” is a verb that we still use to describe the act of suckling a child on a woman’s breast. It’s anything but gender-neutral.

If you want to make the field of nursing gender-neutral, change the name of it and create some space between the old image and the modern job. It will take some time, but it’s a simpler, more straightforward and more practical fix than “reimagining masculinity.”

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Jack Donovan moonlights as an advocate for the resurgence of patriarchal, paleo-masculine values among the Men of the West. He is a contributor to The Spearhead and AlternativeRight.com, as well as the author of Androphilia and co-author of Blood Brotherhood and Other Rites of Male Alliance. Mr. Donovan lives and works in Portland, Oregon.

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A male nurse September 27, 2010 at 04:22

I am a male RN — I find that members of the public respond well to male nurses. In the speciality I work in it’s competence that carries the day, not nurturing; though compassion is part of the job description. I do note that there are sporadic fits of gender feminism that show their ugly heads from time to time; these can usually be dealt with on a case-by-case basis (e.g. colleagues who can’t conceptualize the idea of a smart man, or an honest man.) By and large this is not a problem. However the professional organizations such as the ANA are *very* heavily influenced by the political and social dogmas of the left.

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Thag Jones September 27, 2010 at 05:13

That video needs a content warning. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. I know, my fault for clicking play in spite of the foreboding hint over what was to come. It’s more than a little ironic that the link leading to the breast feeding dad is in “the mommy files.” No please!

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W.F. Price September 27, 2010 at 05:35

Just the other day, I was talking to my friend about just this issue. His wife is in nursing school, and said the school is so overwhelmingly female that it even bothers her.

I suggested changing the name of the profession to some kind of “technician” rather than “nurse.” These days doctors are more like managers anyway, and nurses do a lot of the hands on stuff, including some things that require real physical strength. More men in the profession would be a good thing.

Usually, I’m kind of skeptical about how much etymology affects our perception of a certain thing, but in this case I think it really does. Yes, changing the name of the profession would make a big difference here.

The other issue we talked about was teaching. My solution to the lack of male teachers was simple: open more boys schools.

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Walter September 27, 2010 at 05:46

Another reason to completly ignore AW.

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Rebel September 27, 2010 at 05:52

It is men themselves who determine masculinity.

And I’m really fed up with those who endlessly try to reduce men into slavery.

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Kevin K September 27, 2010 at 05:58

Wasn’t the ‘physician assistant’, a job that evolved from battlefield medics in Vietnam, the equivalent of a nurse practitioner? I’ve been told that its in demand since doctors prefer to specialize and PA’s (and nurse practioners) are capable of doing the work of a family physician and are often doing the most of the work when treating a person with diabetes, for instance.

In any case, nurse and PA’s both require college degrees and the jobs we need more of are those that require less credentials.

Also, wouldn’t people expect the health care is going to tighten up a lot in the next ten years? Medicare is mostly being funded by debt, atm and that’s going to have to change somehow.

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Jack Donovan September 27, 2010 at 06:32

I didn’t want to get too deep into economics or politics with this, but you really have to buy into the idea that “everything’s going to be OK and proceed as progressives want it to” to conclude that going to school for nursing now is going to bring you a big payday in the future.

I wondered:

A: If we’re anticipating the demand for nurses and caregivers to explode over the next 10 years as baby boomers past the age of retirement encounter health issues….isn’t that a bubble? Will the same demand be there when they’re all dead? If not, does it make sense to encourage young boys to think about nursing as a potential career when that career won’t peak for 25 years or so? Do we need to “reimagine masculinity” to anticipate a boom/bust?

B: If the government succeeds in taking over healthcare, isn’t it likely that the market that makes nurses salaries so lucrative currently will give way to bureaucracy that manages those salaries and cuts them to cut costs?

Just thoughts.

Cloud September 27, 2010 at 06:38

Magazines and Television cater to women, so it’s inevitable that garbage like “Reimagining Masculinity” is going to pop up from time to time.

When the Misandry Bubble bursts, just remember articles like these when feminists ask for a truce.

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Thag Jones September 27, 2010 at 06:40

The person who filled the role of secretary in the old days is now an administrative assistant, and very few men are going to bother ribbing a male admin about being a “secretary.” It’s not a manly job or a womanly job. It’s just a job. No one really had to change ideals of womanhood or manhood to change the way we looked at the job. The old image is preserved on film, but more or less forgotten in the everyday working world.

This is a good point on the surface. I’m not, however, a big fan of this sort of thing most of the time – why does it always take twice as many syllables to say the same thing in this “re-imagined” world? – and, if I may, I’d like to digress a bit into why I don’t really care for this in general.

This whole name changing thing started in my memory with feminists renaming such innocuous things as manhole covers into maintenance covers (or something) and supposedly limiting language like “chairman” into “chair person.” Then for some reason when there’s a word for each sex – actor, actress – the feminists want to just use the male word, as if somehow “ess” on the end is offensive. Yet, don’t use “he” as a neutral pronoun, or “man” as a collective for “humanity” – or even make sure you spell it “womyn” to avoid the evil “man.” Right, stop that, it’s silly! Started off with a nice little idea about equal rights and now it’s just got silly!

Maybe I’m just overly sensitive to language, but I also find these new terms a bit soulless. Anyone remember when “flight attendants” were called “stewards” and “stewardesses”? What was wrong with that? There’s something a bit android-like about these “gender neutral” terms that makes me uncomfortable and makes me catch a whiff of fascism, which no doubt will have me accused of paranoia but that’s fine, go ahead. I’m not sure we need to mangle the language so much to have men take jobs that have traditionally been filled by women and vice versa, even if the vice versa part has already happened.

It seems now it’s gone this far, we just have to keep going until everything is “gender neutral” – including our souls.

It’s hard to say if changing the name of something like “nursing” would attract more men. While it may be an alternative to re-imagining masculinity, is the result really going to be any different? And I am the only one here who thinks language is important? Did calling a secretary and administrative assistant change the image of the job, or would that have happened over time anyway?

Culture is reflected in language and language can shape culture. It may seem like I’m sticking on a small point, but just look what feminism has achieved through redefining and co-opting words. It’s got to be at least partly why “re-imagining masculinity” is on the table to begin with – it has already been stripped down in the language we use, now all that’s left to do is castrate it completely.

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NWOslave September 27, 2010 at 06:45

Our soon to be socialist medical field will be the final nail in the economic coffin. Just have a quick look at the number of people in nursing and what their doing. I have two brothers and a sister who are nurses and they constantly tell me the vast majority of people coming in are welfare recipients who waltz in with a cough/cold and demand treatment.

If you look at the jobs that women hold that pay average or above you will note a disturbing trend, they are Guv jobs or human resource jobs.

Nursing/teachers, Guv jobs.
The majority of low and mid level jobs are held by women.
90% of welfare recipients and welfare workers are women.
Human Resources jobs in the private sector, this is a job that didn’t even exist 40 years ago yet today every mid to large company has a huge human resource dept.
Managerial positions that were invented so private industries could hire women to obtain Guv contracts.
Obvious worthless Guv jobs in Affirmative Action, DV, divorce, and let’s not forget they all too important councilors of pop psychology.

Now if our education system was the “best” bar none, there would be little cause for complaint.

Now imagine if all these (mostly human resource) jobs were eliminated tommorow, what would happen? Really think about it, if all these women would go on “strike” tommorow for a week, what would happen?

The answer is nothing. The “working” world would continue to run as if nothing even happened, and everyone would come to realize what a joke these made up money draining jobs actually accomplished, nothing.

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Herbal Essence September 27, 2010 at 06:57

The Newsweek article had a whole lot wrong with it, as Mr. Donovan and others have pointed out. It seriously bothers me that those two hacks wrote such a bad article and it makes the front cover of Newsweek. Meanwhile, thousands of more intelligent and innovative writers work their butts off just to get a few hundred people to read their blog.

My question is: Let’s say men get an education in typically “female” careers. Are most men even going to be accepted in those professions by an overwhelmingly female workforce? Are they even going to make it through the Politically Correct police in HR?

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Peter September 27, 2010 at 07:03

I’ve thought about this too – change the name of the nursing profession to make it more appealing to men.

The feminists will never go for it. First off, nursing, at least in Canadian surveys, was found to be the most respected of professions, male or female. Since nursing is still overwhelmingly female, carries the natural feminine connotations due to the “nursing verb”, keeping the name the same is a positive for women.

Yes, I can already hear the snarky feminist commenary saying “So we should change the name so teh menz don’t feel weak when taking on a female dominated profession. Lolzz what about teh menz lolz!!!”

The author mentions the fact that men are sensitive to building a career that can be destroyed with an accusation of misconduct around children. Would feminists be willing to step off men’s throats when it comes to this stuff? Whatever Gloria Steinem had to say in the original article, one of the major legacies of feminism has been the removal of men from children’s lives, as this site has pointed out.

I believe that feminists have too much vested interest in a narrative that says all men are rapists, potential or otherwise. One consequence of that narrative has been the pedophile hysteria that has kept men from nursing and teaching.

And then for those of us who understand the reality that is HBD and female hypergamy, because we know that women consistently seek out higher status males than themselves, or at worst, settle for equal social status males. Thus, a female nurse may yet marry a male doctor or lawyer. But the reverse would overwhelmingly not be true.

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misterb September 27, 2010 at 07:07

man that’s just plain disturbing seeing a breast feeding a baby. Some women find it cute. I didn’t find it amusing.
This is why I hate what feminism had done. In my opinion gender neutral should be branded as a form of Satanic thing.

I don’t want a female cross-dresser waltzing into men’s showers. And personally all female to male transsexuals should never be permitted inside where men are changing.

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Zammo September 27, 2010 at 07:09

But the single woman’s sad refrain of “where are all the good men?” continues unabated.

According to the article, we can actually answer the question. “The good men have been reimagined at your request.”

Women nag and complain that men aren’t enough like women. But when some men “reimage” themselves, they will become instantly unnattractive to women.

Women just want more beta guys to be slaves but they will continue to complain that there aren’t enough alpha guys.

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greyghost September 27, 2010 at 07:10

I never thought about it at the time i got out of the Marine Corps but since then and actually meeting guys whos wives were nurses , that is a good field. All of this masculine this and that bullshit is always someone other than an actual masculine male talking. Nursing has got to be the easiest big money job there is. Also something I never thought about but a guy that was a nurse told me he makes 6 figures now in the field starting as an emergency room nurse. Men in the field will have the most experience at a young age and can get promoted. Women quit all of the time also men will tend to work when needed on week ends and nights. So after about 10 years or so he starts being put in charge of things. Now He works at some high dollar hospital in a wealthy area where there is never a wait in the emergency room in nursing administation. He’s only a couple of years older than I am.

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Uncle Elmer September 27, 2010 at 07:12

That video is child pornography and child abuse. I only need to see the first frame to want to beat the living crap out of that moron. Child abuse is sanctioned under the banner of feminism.

Newsweek, Time, Forbes, Playboy, Men’s Health etc are femrags. Newsweek and Time are nearly extinct and exist only as brand names.

What modern women have long been doing is trying to tell men what they want. This is a classic marketing mistake : telling the customer what they want. Having done that, men are abandoning american women because they don’t have the features men want and need. The women respond by questioning our masculinity. Think about it. They say “redefine your masculinity” and we say “no thanks, I’ll buy the foreign model, cheaper and more efficient”. They say we can’t get laid, attract AW, and are losers; insults directed at our masculine pride.

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Peter September 27, 2010 at 07:12

A: If we’re anticipating the demand for nurses and caregivers to explode over the next 10 years as baby boomers past the age of retirement encounter health issues….isn’t that a bubble? Will the same demand be there when they’re all dead? If not, does it make sense to encourage young boys to think about nursing as a potential career when that career won’t peak for 25 years or so? Do we need to “reimagine masculinity” to anticipate a boom/bust?

Well said – but the whittling away of the baby boomers will not cause the collapse the bubble, I don’t believe. The baby boom was unimaginably huge, and, according to some demographers, lasted 20 years. You’re getting the first of the baby boomers hitting senior-age now, but as they die over the next 20 years, you’ll still have the younger boomers coming in to replace them.

The problem will come from the removal of those persons from the workfore, and of their savings from the investment markets. The resulting crashes in pension plans and government budgets is what will kill health care.

B: If the government succeeds in taking over healthcare, isn’t it likely that the market that makes nurses salaries so lucrative currently will give way to bureaucracy that manages those salaries and cuts them to cut costs?

Indeed. Most starting nurses in Canada are forced to work part time in two jobs, each 20 hours a week, and thus the government doesn’t have to pay them any benefits, and a lower wage.

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Gunslingergregi September 27, 2010 at 07:38

Nursing is a bullshit profession. You can have any number of woman from other countries do as a good or better job for very little money.

If they would hand out visas to foreign nurses to work in us the wages could go to 200 a month lol

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Gunslingergregi September 27, 2010 at 07:40

Most of the service jobs that pay well if outsourced would pay practically nothing.

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Lavazza September 27, 2010 at 07:41

In Sweden the nurses’ and health workers’ union are forever trying to get an increase in these so called female professions. That will never happen because it’s jobs that are tax financed, plentiful and easy to get. Most male university students have dabbled in the area at one time or another to make ends meet or to get some extra cash. It is much harder to get temporary jobs in male fields, even when no or little training is necessary.

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Gunlingergregi September 27, 2010 at 07:42

And as uncle elmer says you can already outsource the woman.

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thehermit September 27, 2010 at 07:47

I would never let anyone to tell me what should i be like.
Sorry but that’s part of my masculinity.

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Drukoziz September 27, 2010 at 08:01

‘a male nurse’ mentioned the ANA for nurses. The same applies to teachers – some states force teachers to pay dues whether or not you’re a member of the national union as a condition of employment. And then if you claim a religious reason for wanting to give the dues to charity instead (if your state gives you that option), you get harassed at work. What fun!

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zed September 27, 2010 at 08:09

Zammo September 27, 2010 at 07:09

But the single woman’s sad refrain of “where are all the good men?” continues unabated.

According to the article, we can actually answer the question. “The good men have been reimagined at your request.”

Good one!

All this stuff about “re-imagining” masculinity reminds me of one of the conversations I have had with women over the years which profoundly affected my view of them. A middle-aged “cougar” in a relationship with a man about 20 years younger than she was made the statement that the best “relationship” she had ever had happened entirely in her own imagination.

If women prefer imaginary lovers to actual men, I’m short on ideas to do much about that. Let them have them is probably the best strategy.

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TDOM September 27, 2010 at 08:10

As if feminist theory isn’t bad enough, the first principle of applied feminism is to change whatever isn’t female. Theory identifies problems, application provides solution. The feminist solution to nearly everything is to change it. I say nearly everything because the one thing that remains largely unchanged is women themselves. When feminists wanted better education for women, the solution was to change the education system. When women wanted to enter the workplace, the feminist solution was to change the workplace. Feminists almost never require women to adapt, they expect the world to adapt to women. Feminists don’t like masculine ideals, then redefine masculinity and force men to adapt. I really see nothing wrong with the idea that men should want to redefine a few things and force women to adapt. The field of nursing might bea good place to start. Make it more masculine.

TDOM

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misterb September 27, 2010 at 08:14
misterb September 27, 2010 at 08:17

Well feminists have this problem with the masculinity. It is safe to say that they’re making another push of the envelope. articles prove it.

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misterb September 27, 2010 at 08:19

okay this is a bit of the usual. weird huh………


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The Rookie September 27, 2010 at 08:43

every time I meet a female nurse I ask her if more and more guys are joining the profession. it seems as if they are. my best friend is a male nurse.

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misterb September 27, 2010 at 08:47

It seems that I can’t post a link to several articles I found, one a few days ago the other just this morning.

either its too inflammatory or it could mean that some people are thin-skinned

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The White Rider September 27, 2010 at 08:48

Yes. Allow me to emasculate myself to greatly increase my chances of being cuckolded and taken to the cleaners.

Let’s go one further. Allow me to be a “kitchen bitch” who will have no reasonable expectation that the courts will allow me to have the same alimony and child support payments with primary custody that women tend to enjoy in divorce under the guise of being “the primary caregiver,” simply because I have a penis instead of a vagina, ergo am evil.

No thank you, ladies and manginas.

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J. Durden September 27, 2010 at 09:13

On language:

I wrote about it here (reposted here because The Spearhead has done weird things to older articles in regards to formatting) but the evidence suggests that language plays a fundamental role in how humans perceive reality. I collected 18 pages of quotes for a 10 page document, so I didn’t get to include everything I might’ve liked to for that piece. Here’s an interesting quote I left out:

“As we noted earlier, no language, as the product of a given culture and history, can claim to have unmediated access to the real. Making such a simple assertion implies a kind of cultural arrogance, forgetful as it is of the multiplicity of languages and of the linguistic reality that each provides a variety of ways to structure the real. Language is a mediational tool which enables the construction of cultural reality. Such terms as real, authentic, and genuine, especially when they are repeated without much critical self-awareness, give the impression that successful language use provides access to The Truth itself.”

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W.F. Price September 27, 2010 at 09:14

It seems that I can’t post a link to several articles I found, one a few days ago the other just this morning.

either its too inflammatory or it could mean that some people are thin-skinned

Sorry about that, looks like they went into spam — multiple links often trigger the spam filter. You can post them again or I can simply “unspam” them. Just let me know which you prefer.

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Herbal Essence September 27, 2010 at 09:14

The White Rider- “Yes. Allow me to emasculate myself to greatly increase my chances of being cuckolded and taken to the cleaners.”

This is it, in a nutshell. Men who strive to be a kinder, gentler eunuch are basically wearing a sign that says “Dear women, pleas take advantage of me” and another one that says “Unworthy of sex, except with a disgusting pig or a desperate single mother.”

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Amendment X September 27, 2010 at 09:18

Great article. No too sure about secretary being “just a job” though. Find me a male secretary/administrative assistant besides Lloyd from Entourage and I’ll give you a dollar.

I say let the women have certain professions that they dominate. Let the majority of nurses stay female; I don’t see a problem with that.

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Keyster September 27, 2010 at 09:59

Why oh why can’t these Manahattan elitists called “reporters”, acknowledge a woman’s natural tendency towards hypergamy? BECAUSE part of the feminist end game strategy is to make men LESS appealing to women. This “reimagining masculinity” is nothing more than another cultural/social engineering mortar round meant to drive men and women further apart.

The more men become like women, the more disenfranchised they become from marriage, fatherhood and society. Women will NEVER be convinced that a man who teaches, or nurses or “kitchen bitches”…is a viable and/or suitable MAN; otherwise it would be at least measurably common today.

No amount of feminist propaganda will change the average woman’s mind that THEIR man is defined by his status in society and how much he earns. He can be the sweetest, kindest, handsome, most tender man she’s ever known, but if he’s in a “girly profession” or worse yet, a house husband…he’ll be kicked to the curb.

If any “reimagining masculinity” needs to take place it’s women that need to start doing it. And they’re not, and they won’t EVER. Women summarily reject feminine men, and men are starting to reject “empowered” women.

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Epoetker September 27, 2010 at 10:38

Having worked in the ER of a certain large military hospital, it is most definitely the male nurses that have professionalized the field. Most of them are either motivated 20-30 year old officers or world-weary 40-somethings that have a wealth of adverse drug reaction data in the ol’ memory bank.

So when the call goes out for the trauma team to hit the trauma room, most of the females tend to suddenly disappear or find the paperwork section of the traumatic response assembly line posthaste.

And our head nurse, a major, normally the very picture of professional bland whatever, suddenly starts swearing happily among the medics, male nurses, remaining doctors, and respiratory techs (also almost ALL male-you have to be strong and focused to both force those tubes through tracheae and occasionally esophagi manually and gently ease them in during interruptions in the normal breathing cycle) while chomping on the plastic covering the needle end of a 10cc syringe like he’s smoking a cigar or something.

There’s probably a moral to the fact that male camaraderie is often found around some bloody mess of a problem in the center of the table, but it sure beats being on the floor while waiting for inevitably female nurses from the higher non-stressful floors to whine down to our ER medics (and [i]doctors![/i]) to come start their IVs.

(You’d think more of these nurses would have a little faith in the arm as an injection site. I’ve gotten far more veins easily in the arm by feel than I have on the hand or wrist by sight. And the hand and wrist sticks are PAINFUL and often fail mid-drip. No faith in what they can’t see, these female nurses…)

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sestamibi September 27, 2010 at 10:51

Herbal Essence–

People aren’t reading Newsweek either. Recall that it just sold for $1–the entire business, not a copy of the magazine.

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Roland3337 September 27, 2010 at 11:10

This comment might be better for Paul Elam’s article on “Shrugging Misandry.”

But since this is the article that I started sharing with male grad students, I thought this was the best place to share a recent comment from one of them:

“Awesome, thanks so much, Doc..I’ll be on the lookout for the rec letter..appreciate your time and efforts there..that article is pretty spot on..hard to believe some of the stuff about men that’s floating around out there, because the agendas of feminists, etc., simply amazes me..January can’t get here soon enough..have fun with everything..

A window into the action of “spreading the word” seems like a tonic, to me at least.

This fine young man will work in schools for 30-40 years.

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J. Durden September 27, 2010 at 11:16

Good to see the word being spread amongst academics; I thought talking about the true state of affairs (rather than the feminist state of affairs) was anathema in the university.

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Thag Jones September 27, 2010 at 11:37

Women will NEVER be convinced that a man who teaches, or nurses or “kitchen bitches”…is a viable and/or suitable MAN; otherwise it would be at least measurably common today.

Yet, where I live, it seems to be more often than not the men really are like little bitches and the women like men, as my brother’s Russian friend put it. I just don’t know how anyone finds this dynamic sexually arousing or attractive in any real way, yet somehow they manage to breed. It makes my skin crawl.

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The White Rider September 27, 2010 at 11:51

I’ve heard that in Russia that most men are drunks that don’t care enough to work or are criminals and so women have to be the primary wage slaves out of necessity. Might explain something. The men might not actually be “breeding” though. Mommy’s baby, daddy’s maybe and all.

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greyghost September 27, 2010 at 12:06

Yes. Allow me to emasculate myself to greatly increase my chances of being cuckolded and taken to the cleaners.

Let’s go one further. Allow me to be a “kitchen bitch” who will have no reasonable expectation that the courts will allow me to have the same alimony and child support payments with primary custody that women tend to enjoy in divorce under the guise of being “the primary caregiver,” simply because I have a penis instead of a vagina, ergo am evil.

No thank you, ladies and manginas.

That is a big time no shitter there. So all this redefined crap is bull you will still be treated like a man no matter how big an emasculated mangina and whiteknight you are. Just take care of business young.

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W.F. Price September 27, 2010 at 12:06

Yet, where I live, it seems to be more often than not the men really are like little bitches and the women like men, as my brother’s Russian friend put it.

-Thag Jones

You live in Seattle, too?

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Skadi September 27, 2010 at 12:08

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evilwhitemalempire September 27, 2010 at 12:16

The achilles heel of contemporary feminism is that, thanks to its marxist influences, it underestimates the power of nature. It has to work very hard to do even a half assed job of ‘reversing’ men and women. And the moment pressure is off nature takes over again.
Combine this with the fact that it’s economically unsustainable and its demise is eminent.

The real threat of the 21st century will be Islam. I don’t need psychic powers to predict this.

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Common Monster September 27, 2010 at 12:26

Lots of +1 comments…

> …Or at least remain men together.

So now we’re only allowed to be men amongst ourselves, in private?
How gay is that (not that there’a anything wrong with it)?

As said above, it is up to men, not women (or male feminists), to define masculinity.

The idea of “reimagining” anything needed a good poke. It’s such a self-congratulatory word. The mere act of coming up with a new idea or model of something doesn’t necessarily mean the model has any merit. The onus is on those making the claim that the new model is better to convince skeptics. You can’t simply be a social critic and just bash what you don’t like about some other model. That’s politics, not anything resembling making a reasoned logical argument.

I do think masculinity is much more culturally defined than femininity is, the latter being way more biological. Girls become women, with all the rights and privileges thereof (such as they are these days), merely by being carried by their bodies through puberty, whereas for boys there is no such clear transformation. Being able to get a hard-on or grow a beard are not terribly crucial to men’s roles in society, thus manhood and masculinity are always provisional. (-Except in mythology, which would include cartoon super-heroes.) I’m not saying men are perpetually checking the status of their masculinities, because few guys are so neurotic to always be thinking about it. It’s pretty much automatic, meaning it develops early on and is relatively resistant to change, though sometimes it does entirely reconfigure itself depending on the personality. I remember hearing about one old country doc, who passed through my social circle when I was fifteen, that he’d been five different men during his life. That’s certainly much more substantial than talking about “reimagining masculinity”, and I’ll bet it freaked the hell out of his wife — they were still together as I recall (and ~65-ish), having been of that older generation which thought divorce unthinkable — like who’s he going to turn into next year? If women want men to change in some fashion, will they put it in writing, as well as what we’re going to get out of it, have it notarized, etc.? If not, it’s all just attempted bullying and bugle oil.

I’ve noticed all the ads locally for “trade schools” (generally) looking to suck people into the educational pipeline of some of these “health trades” requiring really minimal people and paper processing skills feature nothing but women (and maybe the occasional black male). Maybe the complaints about insufficient “reimagining” should be directed at the ad producers, to find out why they target women almost exclusively.

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Coastal September 27, 2010 at 13:07

OT:

…or possibly not, Britain’s Daily (Beta) Mail reports that parents are paying through the nose to send their boys to single-sex schools. The reason? To avoid the ‘macho culture’ of mixed schools:

http://tinyurl.com/32gxhah

Next up, is the KKK just too obsessed with political correctness?

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Thag Jones September 27, 2010 at 13:22

W.F. Price September 27, 2010 at 12:06

You live in Seattle, too?

No, Toronto, but no doubt it’s much the same thing.

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Chuck Ross September 27, 2010 at 13:34

Wait. If we desire to change the title of the occupation “nurse” to something else, aren’t we merely playing a semantical game and aren’t we advocating the same complaints that feminists have tossed around for the past 40 years?

Also, you don’t address the effects of male shaming doled out by other men. I think a major point of the Newsweek article – at least as I read it – was that men have a hang-up about being nurses because they don’t want other men to think they are pussies. If men don’t judge other men for being nurses (a la Owen Wilson’s character in “Meet the Parents”) barriers to entry would be much lower. And in a day and age where men are struggling to find good-paying jobs, this would improve the lot of men in this country.

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W.F. Price September 27, 2010 at 13:36

No, Toronto, but no doubt it’s much the same thing.

Yes, I think it is. Seattle is so hard-left that San Francisco seems positively moderate in comparison (no kidding). I think only in Canada could you find another North American city with similar politics.

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SingleDad September 27, 2010 at 14:05

Yep, you have no idea what a turn on being a single fathers is to women.

And I have one of those sought after professional jobs.

But if I put that I am a single male, sans children, I get tons of responses.

If I mention I’m a single father, I might as well not put up a profile.

When I mentioned this to women I know there all like, duh!

Only men are stupid enough to date single parents I suppose.

Yeah articles like this are a shit test to let women know who the pussies are.

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trent13 September 27, 2010 at 14:15

Women will NEVER be convinced that a man who teaches, or nurses or “kitchen bitches”…is a viable and/or suitable MAN; otherwise it would be at least measurably common today.

I think it depends on the arena – for example, most females (as most males) would have more respect for a male nurse who exclusively works ER and ICU, than if he worked the floor or a nursing home. I think the same thing goes for teaching – a male elementary teacher is considered kind of lame, but if he’s a professor at a college, he’s definitely given more respect. I don’t think it’s fair to put the positions which can be more (or less) intellectually demanding on the same page as “kitchen bitch” – b/c I’m pretty sure everyone thinks the kitchen bitch isn’t a viable male.

As to the Newseek article (and the interview the authors gave), I wonder how many men responded to it positively. When I watched them being interviewed along with a woman who was an “etiquette counselor” you would have thought men realizing men can love their children (and express by caring for them as needed) was a sudden epiphany of what it means to be masculine. It was just a weird connection to make. Yes, manly men love their children; that doesn’t equate to “manly men are kitchen bitches.” The underlying principle seemed to be that if men they really loved their children and were really masculine, they would want to express it in the same way that women do (that is, in a feminine way)…. huh?!

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Thag Jones September 27, 2010 at 14:39

The underlying principle seemed to be that if men they really loved their children and were really masculine, they would want to express it in the same way that women do (that is, in a feminine way)…. huh?!

That guy in the video is literally expressing it. I need eye bleach.

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SingleDad September 27, 2010 at 14:59

I don’t know how many of you have raised a child alone as a guy, I did from 9 months on, there were times when I wished I could breast feed (formula is expensive).

But it was just a passing thought, usually when the bottle breaks (the rubber seals suck), milk is everywhere, your kids still hungry and crying and you have to go make more formula.

I have not and, from the comments here, will not watch the video.

And nobody supports single dads, not pre-school operators, park moms, teachers, or even other dads. And single dads do not “get together” and help each other out.

Spaces like these are my only outlets for anyone who gives a sh@t.

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Troll King September 27, 2010 at 15:22

The great push to get men into nursing and healthcare, not as doctors though, nope that status field needs to be reserved for women, is because women, especially baby boomer feminists, are scared shitless.

I see the same thing with my mother, for ex, when I was 18 or 19 she really started diggin the hooks in and ramping up the manipulation. She did this for one reason only, because she realized I had a good job and was planning on moving out and never coming back. Women don’t choose boys over girls because they love boys so much. Hell, women are more likely to divorce if they have a girl. They do so because they see men and boys, males, as a retirement plan.

Babyboomer feminists see the same thing. They are getting old, and they are realizing they aren’t all that independent after all. That’s why they are taxing young men at a higher rate than young women and old women in the new healthcare bill. They are fuckin stupid if they think they can strip men of their rights and then tax them to death for their healthcare. No amount of shaming men into nursing or taxing them to death and telling them to man up is going to stop us from going our own way or realizing that we have been fucked over by the same people that now want our support and generosity.

I’d rather go to jail than pay for baby boomer feminists to live longer than men, at least in jail I will get food.

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W.F. Price September 27, 2010 at 15:24

And nobody supports single dads, not pre-school operators, park moms, teachers, or even other dads. And single dads do not “get together” and help each other out.

Spaces like these are my only outlets for anyone who gives a sh@t.

-Single Dad

You’re right. Nobody helps. You’re on your own. I don’t know what it is, but when people see a guy with little kids, they tend to just leave you alone. In my case I figured it might be because I looked a bit desperate.

Parenting small children is very, very hard work. I honestly think women can handle it better than men. I really don’t know how I survived, and I only had my kids half time. My ex had all sorts of women helping her, so much so that I was the primary parent in terms of care. When it was me and the kids I was totally on my own.

Still, I’ll never forget that time – essentially the last three years – for the rest of my life. It was my biggest sacrifice yet, and one of the few things I can count as a very important accomplishment in my life. For all the temptation and chances I had to just give up and give in, I took all the time I could with my kids.

As someone who had to do this out of necessity rather than choice, I think I should write a follow-up to Jack’s piece about what it really means when a man has to take on what are normally women’s jobs.

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Troll King September 27, 2010 at 15:27

SingleDad September 27, 2010 at 14:59

You have my respect. What can we do to help single dads network? Are there blogs catering to you like there are for single mothers? Ill start one if you’ll post info for other men, Im single but I do have several friends from HS that are single dads now. The reason I don’t see or hang with them are the same reasons I don’t hang with some other friends, especially my buddy who got married and disappeared from the planet.

We travel in completely different circles.

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TDOM September 27, 2010 at 15:40

For once, I’m going to plug someone else’s blog. the guy’s name is Keith and the blog is Almighty Dad. I’m not sure where he stands on men’s rights, but he’s a stay-at-home dad and apparently makes a pretty damned mean glass of egg nog.

TDOM

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Thag Jones September 27, 2010 at 15:42

SingleDad,

Park moms are so lame even I (a full time single mom) avoid them if I can. The Filipino nannies are generally a lot friendlier and less likely to ask intrusive questions about “your husband.” I’m not much of a joiner, so no networks for me particularly either, and most of the single parents I know of share custody, so there really aren’t that many people in my shoes that I know either. It’s not an easy life, that’s for sure. I sure wouldn’t mind meeting some single dads; I’m so bored with talking to moms all the time.

As an aside and related to the article, my ex, who has a daughter with someone else in another leftist American city, said when he takes her to the park, moms all stare at him like he’s a child molester. All this talk about wanting men to be more like women, then when they do something like take their own kids to the park – I suppose if the kid was a boy it would be different – they’re looked at like a criminal and made to feel uncomfortable. And you can bet your ass those would be the ones talking about what a great Swedish man that is trying to breast feed his baby! Oy vey!

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fmz September 27, 2010 at 16:01

Da femz re-imagined da wimminz and look at where it got them. Successful but, er, less happy than their mothers way back when. Now they’re trying to run their ruse on da menz. Misery loves company. But they are very transparent, exceedingly amatuerish and just too fluffy. Those girly-men are femmy shills. Ignore them. Laugh in their faces. Vote with your feet.

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Anonymous Reader September 27, 2010 at 16:13

I can summarize the Newsweak article in one sentence:

“Men are defective women and need to improve”.

Of course, this utterly ignores what we already know about the physical differences between the brains of men and women; the differences in lobe sizes, in white matter, and so forth. It ignores the differences in psychology driven by biology. So basically, these articles are anti science, they are in the same ballpark as claims that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs around the Garden of Eden.

In the years to come, watch the progressives, the leftists, the feminists, etc. try to put the brakes on brain research, bio-psychology, endocrine system research, intelligence research. Because all that science will be contradicting the faith-based politics of the left…

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SingleDad September 27, 2010 at 16:16

My son is 13 now and I can honestly say I did it all alone and it was one of the most rewarding things I’ve ever done. I did not want it. I knew about hiring an egg and a uterus and even spoke with some women in Utah about it while on a ski trip (remember those, you do them when your single and children are just a concept).

I never felt sorry for myself and know that I am one of the truly lucky ones. Most men are slaves to their wives or visitors, even in their own house (like my dad) to their children.

I was already reading MR books but had not tapped into the online community.

At the time I thought that it would be selfish of me to have a child with no mother. I dedicated myself to finding one who would allow me into my childs life while not getting bored in the relationship so I planned on going out on “date night” every Saturday.

I met my ex and she was a professional, we had a dual income, high cash, big city life. I, of course failed to recognize her shopping addiction.

While she was planning how to take advantage of bankrupcy laws to spend more money on clothes I was planning a baby. We married with intentions of having a child so, 3 years into the marriage we had our son.

The pregnancy was fine but the immediate and severe psychotic post partum depression was not expected. Of course she stopped working. How much of her depression was metabolic and how much was situational, I don’t think she realized what a child meant.

She kidnapped our son when he was 9 months and showing strong signs of bonding more with me (she couldn’t comfort him anymore, he only wanted me).

She left, I got a good attorney. He was back in 3 days.

Firstly I found fathermag.com, a great place to start. Then SYG, MND, all were great places to discuss and learn about my situation. I am truley indebted to you who write on boards like this. When ever I felt bad, there were always worse cases than mine.

Now I read and post to help others who might be like I was, lost. Again because I was successful in winding through the courts. My knowledge and 300,000.00 in legal fees did the trick.

As far as company, I have my son, he has HALO REACH, so he doesn’t need me. I have learned to play EVE Online and play with a group of 30-40 guys average age 30 and fight space battles every night. I’m 9th top killer of all time in the navy. All while sitting next to my son who is a cold blooded digital killer himself.

As soon as I am finished running through the emails from women who are dying to join us and watch us play, I will start dating again…..lol.

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W.F. Price September 27, 2010 at 16:18

SingleDad,

Park moms are so lame even I (a full time single mom) avoid them if I can. The Filipino nannies are generally a lot friendlier and less likely to ask intrusive questions about “your husband.” I’m not much of a joiner, so no networks for me particularly either, and most of the single parents I know of share custody, so there really aren’t that many people in my shoes that I know either. It’s not an easy life, that’s for sure. I sure wouldn’t mind meeting some single dads; I’m so bored with talking to moms all the time.

-TJ

I’ve noticed that the ethnic ones are easier to get along with myself. The white women in Seattle with kids who are my kids’ age are often actually older than me (guess they started late), and they are weird. Hestia who is quite young and used to live in Olympia (WA state capital), mentioned this before. The black/Asian/Mexican women are quite friendly and seem to be somewhat impressed by a guy taking kids out to the park himself.

My standard park MO is to grab a good book, toss the babies in the car, and then turn them loose as soon as we get to the playground. I then find a comfortable place to sit near them and read while they play. The white SWPL moms – ubiquitous in Seattle – are usually engaged in pretentious cell phone convos, and I ignore them. But sometimes there are nice women there from other parts of the world, and I’ll chat with them from time to time.

As an aside and related to the article, my ex, who has a daughter with someone else in another leftist American city, said when he takes her to the park, moms all stare at him like he’s a child molester. All this talk about wanting men to be more like women, then when they do something like take their own kids to the park – I suppose if the kid was a boy it would be different – they’re looked at like a criminal and made to feel uncomfortable

That isn’t exactly my experience. Generally, I get the sense from the women that they expect me to flirt with and pay attention to them rather than look after the kids. It’s as though they don’t understand that taking care of my kids is a serious job. Although a certain type of guy might do the same with a mother at a park, generally men understand that a woman who is performing parental unit functions is doing something important and should be either helped or left alone. I have never had women offer to help — not once. I’ve asked them to, and they’ve complied, but never on their own initiative.

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dubcik September 27, 2010 at 16:37

For years women have been told they are being kept out of male dominated blue collar careers that pay well with relatively little education. So all kinds of programs have sprung up to help women gain the skills (at taxpayers expense) to get these jobs. The problem is, these jobs are hard work and the women don’t want them. The hours are long, often outside when it’s hot/cold/raining. Plus they are too tired after the physical labour and don’t get paid when they take a sick day.

These jobs are just not cushy enough, and despite all the millions spent on helping them, construction tades remain at approx. 3% women, the same number pre-job skills training entitlements.

But you’ll never hear a women say this, all she’ll say is that if you were to take a cashier versus a framer (for example), she’ll complain that men make more money with the same amount of education.

Maybe this push to tell men to do women’s jobs is because they (the feminist machine) failed at putting women in mens jobs. They are still trying for the ever elusive “equality” without any regard for the economy or the progess of their country (which comes from innovation, making and building). Not that they care about the economy, the gov’t just prints more money and they get paid.

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SingleDad September 27, 2010 at 17:52

@ dubcik

I agree, they are not doing it to help out us menz, now your starting to think like a feminist. Good work.

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trent13 September 27, 2010 at 18:17

I can’t conceive of how any parent is able to parent on their own – especially when the child is very young, and especially when we are talking about men (not that I doubt their ability or sacrifice, but as pointed out, the support network is more frequently lacking). Kudos to you guys.

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SingleDad September 27, 2010 at 18:27

I can’t say it was hard, I love my son more than anything it wasn’t hard it was a joy. I would do it again in a heart beat.

Like the old song says, “he ain’t heavy”…..he’s my son.

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Jack Donovan September 27, 2010 at 18:39

Great comment, dubcik. I agree.

David Collard September 27, 2010 at 19:35

I remember when I was a boy in hospital, in the Sixties, having my mother point out a woman doctor and a male nurse. They were unusual. Later, in the Seventies I suppose, we knew a male nurse, I think he was a lecturer in nursing. He actually used to have the title “Sister”.

Male nurses are a niche that is already occupied here in Australia at least by “wardsmen”. These men do a lot of patient moving and heavy work around the wards. Pretty tough guys some of them. The last time I was in hospital, a few years ago, the new policy was that nurses would not lift patients at all. Too much risk of injury.

People overstate the power of language. The point made above about feminists objecting to male generics in some circumstances (mankind) while demanding them in others (actor) is a good one. Basically, I suspect that feminists are just constantly dissatisfied. And they like to be bossy about language.

Besides, I think they have it backwards. Language does not create reality. It reflects it. My daughter talks about “whiny little bitches” and says “that’s so gay”. The women at work call people, men and women, “guys” – using generic masculine language almost intuitively. And they call each other “girls”.

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Jack Donovan September 27, 2010 at 20:02

I really don’t agree that language doesn’t matter. There are some areas where you can get into insane nitpicking, but this is a case where the language clearly evokes something objectionable (if you’re a man) and semi-positive (sexy nurse, compassionate, caring, saintly) if you’re a woman.

I would agree insofar as I would say that language can both reflect and create a reality. The word “nurse” reflected a reality when it referred to compassionate women volunteering to help wounded male troops. They played mother-away-from-home. “Nurse” made sense. If the female usage of nurse was antiquated, I would more or less agree with you. But it’s not. To “nurse” is still part of our contemporary vocabulary. So that matters.

Just because feminists and PC nuts employ a certain tactic to a tiresome degree doesn’t mean they are always wrong or that tactic is always useless.

This is also kind of a devil’s advocate piece, because I don’t really believe that these writers and advocates are sincere in their desire to help men adapt or involve men in female fields. They just want to find new ways to shame and bully them and make themselves feel better by comparison. The push to get men into nursing isn’t about helping men. It’s about creating a gender-neutral society and eradicating traditional male gender roles.

Anonymous Reader September 27, 2010 at 20:26

Welmer:
Generally, I get the sense from the women that they expect me to flirt with and pay attention to them rather than look after the kids.

You are displaying social proof of both alpha and beta traits. That’s catnip to women. As long as they think there’s a woman they can take you away from…

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DirkJohanson September 27, 2010 at 20:34

The only two nurses I’ve ever known that made six figures were guys, who did it by busting their asses.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a study soon comes to light – if one hasn’t already – showing guys who are nurses make more than female nurses. I’m curious to see how feminists are going to spin that?

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Roland3337 September 27, 2010 at 22:01

@ J. Durden

In most ways, you’re absolutely right. MRA issues and the truth behind them is indeed anathema, since academia is the root of most of the injustice that we face. Some days it sickens me to work in such an environment, when I see “Release the Light” workshops (which are only slightly tamer versions of the “Take Back The Night” hate-fests from the 1990s).

And I will be honesty and say that it has kept me awake at night sometimes. For a few days after I say something in class about these issues, I worry that there will be a knock on my office door, or an email, asking me “…Dr. Roland…please see me as soon as possible…we’ve had some complaints…”

Or some kind of other cheap and dirty shot in course evaluations that would go something like “Dr. Roland is a sexist pig!” or “Some of the things he says in class are SO offensive…”

Yet I somehow think that if I stick with logic and empirical evidence, I will be O.K. If I have to choose between being honest, yet looking over my shoulder for the Feminazi SS, or sticking to the party-line, and feeling dead inside, I will take the former over the latter any day. I made that choice a long time ago.

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J. Durden September 27, 2010 at 22:10

Even though it probably means little, my hat goes off to you Roland. One of the first books I read that dismantled feminism was Christina Hoff Sommer’s “Who Stole Feminism,” which goes to great lengths to describe the atmosphere for professors at most universities. You do no easy thing when you criticize feminism.

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Uncle Shawn September 28, 2010 at 01:10

And nobody supports single dads, not pre-school operators, park moms, teachers, or even other dads. And single dads do not “get together” and help each other out.

Spaces like these are my only outlets for anyone who gives a sh@t.

-Single Dad

Could be that men are conditioned not to trust their kids with other men. Besides, Uncle Shawn’s said gun control is using both hands. That’s right nephew.

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Lavazza September 28, 2010 at 05:02

In Sweden there are a significant minority of male nurses. Most of the time they call their profession “syrra” (“sis”). Most of them move up or out, like to middle management or union leaders.

My ex BIL did his mandatory military service as a paratrooper, then he worked as male anaesthisia nurse. Later he studied economics part time and he is now a sales executive in the telecom industry.

An ex-collegue’s husband started out as a male nurse, then he started doing research for a central organisation (Socialstyrelsen) and now he’s the editor of a magazine in social/health questions.

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Zammo September 28, 2010 at 06:35

I would say that language can both reflect and create a reality.

Back in my political days and radio talk show host days, I learned an extremely important lesson regarding language. It all boils down to this: Control the language, control the debate.

This is precisely why the Women’s Media Center has embarked on its “Name It. Change It” campaign. This is also why political correctness has our society using all sorts of new phrases and terms.

Never discount the power of language and how its use can influence how we think and communicate. Tracking how phrases and terms are created and used can provide an extremely useful analysis of how ideas are shared. For example, the phrases that are used in the manosphere are now spreading into all sorts of Internet spaces. I participate in website forums where I routinely see words and phrases that originated in the men’s rights and MGTOW web pages.

These “memes” will not often appear in the mass media. But if you view the off topic forums in web pages routinely visited by men, it’s very common to read about Game, unfair family courts, the anti-male media, the judicial pussy pass, feminist shaming language, entitlement princesses, etc.

Read (and post!) comments on major news stories where gender issues are raised. There are common words and phrases to show that men (and even some women) have a pretty good understanding of how western society works against men.

Gentlemen, for every comment posted here, you should be posting three comments on male-oriented activity websites. Pick a website based on your favorite activity and start the discussion or make comments on existing discussions where gender issues are raised. Like guns? Get involved in a gun-oriented webpage discussion. The same goes for hunting, sports, motorcycling, cars, whatever. The manosphere is much bigger than web sites like The Spearhead. Get out there. Spread our language.

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SingleDad September 28, 2010 at 08:53

I am sure that the reason that men don’t share babysitting is not because we don’t trust men who are fathers. For me it is quite the opposite.

I trust men more because I have known many single dads and they tend to be more concieitious, in my experience, possibley because their under more scrutiny but also because I think men think of children differently than women.

Women, not all, but most, in my experience take their kids for granted. Unless they kill the actual kid, inject the kid with drugs or put the kid in child porn (and this was told to me in open court by the judge) she will raise her child if she disires to.

For men it’s a wonderful field goal win to even get to have a meaningful relationship with your kid. Most will be alienated, less will see them and be peripheral but if you have 50% time with them or more, you can be a real dad and that is better than sex.

The idea that my son would be molested at a single fathers house was something I never considered because it is an unreasonable fear. Hopefully if you have learned one thing on this site it is that fearing men is unreasonable based on facts.

So the single dads I know are dedicated to their kids. If anything, they don’t want to let their kids sleep over others houses because they like spending time with their kids.

My son is an only child so I am always open for hosting sleep overs. It was the single mom’s and married mom’s that would leave their kids for 48 hours or more at my house.

So, men trust each other and yes single mom’s want to dump their kids, in my experience.

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Szebran September 28, 2010 at 10:13

That newsweek article was just more female chauvinist crap from the feminist propaganda machine. What I got out of the article was that men should be nurses or just stay home.
If they want men to MAN UP why didnt they advocate more boys going to college to be engineers, chemists, computer programmers or even doctors. If men are to MAN UP why didnt the article advocate more father fighting the sexist domestic court system so they can have equal custody with their wife rather than paying child support (aka alimony)
That article merely advocated limiting the lives of men.
Same old feminist bullshit.

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David Collard September 28, 2010 at 15:16

I suppose I would adjust my earlier remark to say that language does not change reality, but that naming a phenomenon can bring it to light and throw it into relief. Feminists have done this quite cleverly (“sexist”, “date rape”), but men are at least as clever as women, and can play the same game.

Terms like “game”, “neg”, “mangina”, “pedestaliser” will probably enter the broader language. They are already in mine.

Giving something a punchy, memorable name can be very helpful.

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Red0660 September 28, 2010 at 19:24

Wow! You know we live in a feminized country when a magazine that used to be about news is posting glorified opinion/gossip pieces without sources as the front page “news”.

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Mike September 29, 2010 at 07:40

Why the whole world is demanding I change to accommodate their definition of progress is beyond me. To hell with them, they can mold their ideals around me from now on. I’m a dinosaur? Fine. Doesn’t bother me half as much as I know it bothers them.

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