They’re Afraid Of Men Masturbating

by Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech on September 20, 2010

Recently, Christine O’Donnell, a candidate associated with the Tea Party, won the Republican Senate primary in Delaware who among many other things sued a former employer for “gender discrimination” claiming that she suffered “mental anguish”.  What O’Donnell is also known for is her views on sex — particularly her anti-masturbation views.  O’Donnell appeared on MTV back in the 90′s explaining her views of sex and masturbation which is available here on youtube.

Watch the youtube video and take note of the end.  Except for a token guy, it’s a group of women.  O’Donnell even says about her presumably future husband masturbating, “If he already knows what pleases him, and he can please himself, then why am I in the picture?”  This quote exposes the undercurrent behind anti-masturbation attitudes.  It’s not so much anti-masturbation but anti men masturbating.  People against masturbation have a fear that men might actually have an alternative to women.  The answer to O’Donnell’s question should be obvious.  A woman would ideally be providing more than a man’s hand both sexually and not.  

When it comes to a woman who can’t/won’t contribute to a relationship non-sexually (a growing group of women particularly among younger women), and who is planning on trying to control a man through providing a minimum of sex, then she has a lot to worry about when it comes to men realizing that their hand will do more for them than a woman will.  The obvious answer to this is for women not to be harpies who withhold sex as a means of controlling men, but it’s unlikely they will change in that regard. Instead, we will see more anti-male masturbation shaming language.

For anti-masturbation shaming language, the Bible is used as a justification. However, masturbation is not directly addressed in the Bible.  What is cited is the story of Onan. This has a serious deficiency as a Biblical stricture against masturbation.  In the story, Onan never actually masturbated.  What happened was that God ordered Onan to impregnate his dead brother’s wife, Tamar.  Onan disobeyed God by pulling out during sex so he could avoid impregnating her, thereby disobeying God.  This has nothing to do with masturbation but disobeying God under a very specific set of circumstances.  Nothing in the story even casually references masturbation.

Anti-male masturbation shaming language is not limited to religious conservatives. When women use vibrators they are praised for taking control of their sexuality. When a man uses a fleshlight he is attacked for being a loser who can’t get laid.  This is very similar to the anti-male masturbation shaming language used by religious conservatives.  Both groups are worried that men may not be sexually dependent on women.  That is what they are really afraid of.  

Masturbation by men, fleshlights, and futuristic technologies like VR sex and sexbots are all attacked because they have to potential to give men more options when it comes to sex.  Anything that even temporarily can replace an actual woman’s vagina is or will be the subject of shaming language.

As more sex technologies become available for men in the future there will be more anti-male masturbation shaming language.  Some will be religiously based.  Medical myths such as masturbation giving a man hairy palms will likely make a reappearance.  None of it will be rooted in medical facts, and they will claim that this is only limited to men.  Whatever the method of shaming language, it’s all for the same reason: to protect the pussy cartel from competition.

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Migu September 20, 2010 at 08:20

I wonder if a single woman realizes that if she gave up her power and came home, she would live an even more privileged life than she does now?

I wonder if a single man realizes that if he treated women as men, they would all give up their power, come back home, and do as they were asked?

I wonder?

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Keyster September 20, 2010 at 08:26

Reminds me of the line from The Color of Money, where Tom Cruise’s girlfriend threatens him with:
“You win one more game, you’re gonna be humping your fist for a long time. Got that, Vincent?”
Of course he obeyed her and let her win the next game.
I never understood why. I mean, is her vagina meant to be that far above a “fist” that it can be used to manipulate a man?

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Uncle Elmer September 20, 2010 at 08:30

Good essay.Left out fact that men get their genitals mutilated at birth to thwart masturbation.

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terre September 20, 2010 at 08:31

This is something I’ve thought about a lot, and it explains a great deal about the character of girls by and large today. If they have nothing to offer but sex, they’ll become obsessed with the value of that sex and impressing it on you. (This is also why ladies of late so frequently resort to “You can’t get laid”/”You’re just not ‘getting any’” as the go-to insult in any argument.) Few women offer an engaging friendship; fewer still a spiritually satisfying companionship (in fact I can think of none, at least in my few years on Earth.) Charges that game is dehumanizing just totally crack me up: I mean, what else am I supposed to judge these women on? They don’t give a crap about anything besides what’s between their legs, so why should I?

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terre September 20, 2010 at 08:32

It’s also worth noting that not very many men feel threatened by a dildo on a counter. A healthy man intuitively knows he is not just supposed to be a penile implement to his companion.

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 08:36

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Gx1080 September 20, 2010 at 08:38

A little something: Is not about sexual control or whatever, is the whole fucking system designed to dupe a man in the deathtrap called Marriage 2.0 with an used-up cunt just for bleeding him dry.

Look who benefits from that scam:

The Church that does the weddings.
The slut cartel.
Scumbag lawyers.
And of course, Pimp Daddy State.

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 08:39

It’s time us onanists took to the streets. If we all start doing it at once, we can knock the world off its axis.

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cracker September 20, 2010 at 08:41

Notice how O’Donnell’s statement (“If he already knows what pleases him, and he can please himself, then why am I in the picture?”) frames masturbation in regards to it’s effect on the woman. Just like everything else feminist: another woman twisting it around to make it all about her. She’s probably right – any woman with an attitude like that probably just lies there like a dead fish during sex anyways, so why is she in the picture?

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Thag Jones September 20, 2010 at 08:47

Well I’m not convinced that vibrators – or excessive use of vibrators – are especially healthy, especially when you have “progressive” parents or other relatives buying them for 13-year-olds (I wish I was exaggerating).

When the masturbating is better than the sex you’re getting, there’s a problem that likely won’t be fixed by shaming the replacement activity. If you’re masturbating because you’re not getting any of the real thing, who cares? People are entitled to their opinions, but good luck trying to convince anyone not to masturbate!

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 08:48

“Good essay.Left out fact that men get their genitals mutilated at birth to thwart masturbation.”

Absolutely, what’s maddening is how even cut men themselves think it’s something that has happened for good.
All the while feminist harpies shout about cliterectomy in Africa,
and it isn’t even comparable when you realize that women’s bodies aren’t as sexually localised as men’s and that cirumcision can directly complicate reproductive abilities.

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 08:50

Great article. And a sign of just how low and despicable women have become in this country.

Attention to all men-
“Conservative” women are not your friend. That is a lesson you can take from the story above. A wise man in the MRA blogosphere (I don’t remember who) said once that the main differences between conservative women and liberal women are 1. Abortion and 2. Debates over the best methods to enslave men. I don’t even know if Abortion is the #1 issue anymore, considering most “Conservative Establishment” women are pro-choice.

In other O’Donnell news-
In a further sign the GOP is embracing Feminism, supporters of O’Donnell are accusing critics of sexism – http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/09/17/a-victim-card-of-ones-own-odonnells-critics-are-sexist-says-jeri-thompson/
Which, by the way, is reminiscent of how some in the GOP defended Bush’s Supreme Court nominee Harriett Myers.

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scatmaster September 20, 2010 at 08:56

Masturbation is all I have left.
Married for 17 years now and the last time I got laid was 10 years ago next month.

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 08:58

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Rebel September 20, 2010 at 08:58

If women think that masturbation is wrong, then I take it as proof positive that masturbation is the best way to go.

Trust the feminists to always promote things that are bad for men and to put to shame that which is good for men.

Viewing things that way allow you to find the best route for you: what they say is bad for you is, in reality, good for you and vice-versa.

This is a good way to use feminism for your own benefit.

War is deception…

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 09:04

terre-”It’s also worth noting that not very many men feel threatened by a dildo on a counter.”

Great point. Apparently, women are unwilling or unable to provide any other value to a man other than a penis-massaging device. Therefore, other penis-massaging devices are “the enemy” in their mind. And these pathetic lowlifes are supposed to be “strong and independent?” Give me a break.

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The White Rider September 20, 2010 at 09:06

“Those girls look like women that you MRAs are aching for – chaste, into monogamy, not “sluts”. Here, these are your pure, chaste family oriented girls, why are you still hating on them?”

Please. Stop the patronizing. They’re wolves in sheep’s clothing. They don’t live in a bubble. The culture they live in and were brought up in ensures that by and large that any religious beliefs which they espouse are simply self-righteous moral posturing and not any kind of true display of character.

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Thag Jones September 20, 2010 at 09:06

Few women offer an engaging friendship; fewer still a spiritually satisfying companionship (in fact I can think of none, at least in my few years on Earth.)

I wish I could find someone like that – I think the problem is that a lot of people are exceedingly shallow these days, men and women. I’d add intellectually stimulating to that list – without a decent level of conversation, I get bored quickly. Then again, I do find a lot of women pretty boring and would rather talk to men, so I see what you mean!

Being good in the sack isn’t exactly rocket science, but that seems to be what most young women advertise these days – like free whores – as if there’s not much else to them. Too bad so many men seem to go for that shit. I’ve been passed over for bimbos enough to find it rather discouraging, and no, I’m not fat and ugly, lol. I just tend not to advertise my wares like a cheap tart because that’s not the kind of attention I want. Not that I wear a burka either…

scatmaster, please tell me you’re not serious. That’s horrible!

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 09:07

Why is that circumcision practice still around…? Supposedly it stems from the Judeo Christian tradition, but why are all American boys circumcised? They are Europeans (descendants of), not Jews.

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 09:11

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W.F. Price September 20, 2010 at 09:12

Why is that circumcision practice still around…? Supposedly it stems from the Judeo Christian tradition, but why are all American boys circumcised?

They aren’t. The practice is dying out, especially in the Western US.

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Migu September 20, 2010 at 09:13

Okay here is the deal. Pussy is easy to get.

Women open their legs for dinner these days. If you enter into a relationship with them afterwards the day will come when the other guys you entered into the relationship will be introduced. These guys were suits and ties, costumes and badges, and some even wear your clothes, sleep in your bed, and have sex with your wife.

NAWALT doesn’t mean shit, when any NAWALT can have a bad and call the cops. That is when men learn about the unseen part of their relationship with the vaginal carrier.

Until the third party exits the relationship more and more men will wake up, including the violent ones, and when the good ones don’t care, you ladies will be left in their harems.

So please, enough about healthy v unhealthy sexuality. Women are sexual, Men are also sexual. Damn we’ve known this for thousands of years.

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 09:17

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misterb September 20, 2010 at 09:19

I find it cheap that women masturbate.

When I told some woman that I was uncircumcised. She had the gall to say it gross.

I considering circumcision close to castrating. Though I had heard that there have been unintentional lopping of the tip of babies’ penises. if you call that unintentional.

And the whole flapping pussy thing, to me is gross. I don’t want her labia to flap about while penetrating her.

@Thag Jones,

Parents buy vibrators for 13 year old girls. Isn’t that too darn young for girls. What the hell the parents are thinking.
Sounds like pretty fucked up, pardon the strong language.

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 09:20

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The White Rider September 20, 2010 at 09:25

See, the problem is that it is impossible to tell “the sluts” apart from any other woman. A lot of the sluts also tend to say that they aren’t like that, but big surprise!… Look at those paternity testing statistics for how often men aren’t the father.

It’s the same reason men are wary of marriage. You can’t tell whether a woman is going to just decide to send you to the poor house later on down the road by taking your home, money, and then getting a bunch of monthly payments from you.

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TDOM September 20, 2010 at 09:29

For a feminist, any expression of male sexuality is a bad thing. The idea of rape culture is based on this premise. Men use sex to control women where sex becomes defined as rape. Therefore male sexuality must be condemned and controlled. since masturbation is a expression of male sexuality, that must be condemned and controlled as well.

The celebration of female sexuality stems from the same premise. If men use sex to control women, then in order to become liberated (empowered), a woman must freely express her own sexuality and that includes masturbation. Thus the double standard.

To achieve this goal, feminists aimed at destroying marriage. They view it as a license for husbands to rape wives. Destroying marriage was the first step towards controlling male sexuality. Characterizing men as potential rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters was necessary to gain support for destroying marriage. Almost everything else that feminists have done to hurt men has also flowed from the basic premise that male sexuality is evil and must be condemned and controlled while at the same time celebrating female sexuality as a means of empowerment.

TDOM

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 09:35

Thag-”the problem is that a lot of people are exceedingly shallow these days, men and women.”

Thag, the problem is that 99% of “intellectual” women are hardened Leftist
Feminists. They use whatever brainpower they have to directly or indirectly facilitate female supremacy.

Due to this, I have declared my expectations of a woman to be “for fun & for fucking.” I believe it to be an advantageous position in today’s society.

I would jump at the chance to spend time with a smart & creative woman who doesn’t spout Feminist talking points. I would even date someone I found physically unattractive if she made up for it in aptitude & attitude.

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 09:46

“These two are incomparable, because in circumcision only the skin is removed”

foreskin isn’t simply skin.

” while in a clitorectomy it is much worse (all the sensitive nerves and muscles).”

Even a ceremonial nick to the clitoris was being opposed instead of the form you are speaking about, which is rare. Accidental removal of glans in an infant boy is much more worse.

“After circumcision, the boy is still able to experience orgasm which will not be the case after clitorectomy.”

NO!

” Of course, circumcision is still brutal, considering it’s performed on an infant.”

Well not on all infants, muslims do it later.
But the numbers are much more for circumcision, and they forget to mention that those African societies also practice MGM to go along with FGM and there are always number of deaths associated with them.

http://www.boystoo.com/fgm&mgm.htm

Worthwhile reading:

http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/images/stories/resources/rd-rose07.pdf

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anonymous September 20, 2010 at 09:46

I’d rather masturbate than get involved with an unstable woman. And I’m the classic beta. A guy who has gained financial stability, can afford to support a family on my own yet does not date and is pretty much isolated from the dating scene. A guy who looks around and sees what’s happening, repeatedly told I’m a loser and I NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH ME. No, something is wrong with the slut culture.

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Scattered September 20, 2010 at 09:47

smart & creative woman

Men out number these women by a significant degree it is tough competition, I wouldn’t waste my time unless I knew I had the whole package.

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 09:49

more about the “skin” here:

http://www.angilbertpress.com/2010/05/circumcision-with-apologies-to-namae-nanka/

and the last article I read about some Australian doctors recommending circumcision, showed that it had increased in Australia despite being discouraged.

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slwerner September 20, 2010 at 09:54

“Both groups are worried that men may not be sexually dependent on women. That is what they are really afraid of. “

Bingo!

It’s also likely the same reason that these same folks fear Game – it takes away the power to control-via-sex from women.

Whether it’s to be done by women, or by the state, hopeless “pussy-beggars” are simply more easily controlled than are men who take charge over any and all aspects of their lives.

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BoxANT September 20, 2010 at 09:56

Many women (subconsciously) realize that they bring very little value to the relationship other than sex. It is akin to a wealthy man who lavishes gifts on a girl to get her into bed. Women use their pussy (at least in the initial phase of the relationship) to artificially create a bond (and get the guy to commit).

However, this behavior will usually lead to resentment as the person starts to think “would they still care about me if I stopped giving them sex/money?” The irony is that you started the relationship by buy the other person with pussy/money, and now wonder why they take it for granted…

This is why many women fear male sexual independence, because they realize that other than sex, they can not a mate, because they have no other value. In addition, this is why men should never start a relationship in the “provider” role, as you should be secure enough in your value to not resort to bribes.

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Amax September 20, 2010 at 10:00

Women know where their powerbase lies. So long as men where willing to kowtow for sex, they ‘had us’ in additional to the power they have acquired politically. However, the more alternatives men have to sex, the lower men’s tolerance to women’s unreasonable and demanding behavior. Women know this, and this is the main reason why any alternative is a legitimate threat to a woman’s stranglehold on men and therefore their resources.

Consider it; seriously, a woman telling a man to stop such and such or she will cut off the nookie and/or leave and buddy says to go jump in a lake because he literally doesn’t give a rip. When we exclude the DV and false allegations a woman can use, who would have the power there? I’ve seen a few posters here state that ignoring women with the exception from work is a good approach to keep yourself safe, with porn, VR sex and the like, this previously impossible task seems more and more plausible as the risks of marriage 2.0 increases.

It’s all about control, nothing more, which is why guys don’t give a damn about women and their ‘appliances’ so to speak, we need to remember that men and women are not the same animal whatsoever. Personally, I think that as we get closer to collapse and many more men plug themselves into VR, and refuse to work or get married, many women will be terrified at the prospect of having a reduced amount of leverage over men and having to work that much harder for the few ‘quality’ men there are left. It’s going to be a very scary realization when woman realize that a man can live quite comfortably without a family, big house, and kids, and with no leverage to get a man to commit to this, they are literally a ship without a paddle.

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IurnMan83 September 20, 2010 at 10:01

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trashed September 20, 2010 at 10:04

…?…
N.A.W.A.L.T.

Nearly. All. Women. Are. Like. That…?

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cracker September 20, 2010 at 10:08

Personally, I think that as we get closer to collapse and many more men plug themselves into VR, and refuse to work or get married, many women will be terrified at the prospect of having a reduced amount of leverage over men and having to work that much harder for the few ‘quality’ men there are left.

I’d like to believe this too, but you’re working under the assumption that these types of women are interested in “quality men”. I don’t know if this is necessarily the case: a lot of woman say they want a “good man”, but then how many of them scoff at the men in their lives that are just that?

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Keyster September 20, 2010 at 10:16

Empowering women to have unbridled sex through lowered moral standards and birth control, has reduced the vagina to a commodity product.

They’ve been slowly losing their allure over the last 40 years. It’s so common and easy to come by that it has lost it’s “specialness”. It’s everywhere and its free. Gone is female modesty and restraint. The porn star is idolized.

Now we’re entering the age of subjectively dissecting the “feminine mystique” and virally spreading it around on the internet via “game” and cultural analysis of current events. The female gender is slowly crumbling under it’s own weight. They’ve given up female sexual power to be more like men. And they’re simply not very good at being men. They can’t be special AND equal. We won’t accept it and we won’t allow it. It’s one or the other grrls.

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Uncle Elmer September 20, 2010 at 10:16

IurnMan If you don’t want to circumcise your sons, don’t. It’s your choice.

I didn’t, because it’s their choice, not mine. And it is a big deal. I’ll assume “83″ means you were born in 1983. Took me 40 years of fucking to realize what I lost from circumcision. Perhaps, you will have that realization too.

Think about what you are saying dude. “don’t force your your beliefs on someone else” then, “I’m going to circumcise my sons”.

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Troll King September 20, 2010 at 10:33

Skadi September 20, 2010 at 08:36
Masturbation is fun and healthy, but it can be viewed as a hedonistic practice from a Christian point of view. Catholics in particular are against it, as they consider a man’s sperm “spent” if it doesn’t cause conception. This is exactly the idea behind the Biblical story. In this sense, masturbation is against God’s plan (just like contraception). So according to this Christian woman, the man is “sinning” not because he can do without a woman per se, but because he’s going against God’s plan (for humans to procreate).

And about those future technologies… don’t know how it is for men, maybe they have different psyches, but for us none of those toys that are out there can replace a real man’s body.

haha, so true. Conservative christian women see biblical manhood as nothing more than sperm donors.

Did you guys see these articles?:
OMG, Husband ‘cheats’ on wife with virtual images, oh noooos, the oppression.

Haha, how long you have to fuck a girl to give her ‘a mile of cock’.
a quote:

frankydickson 0 points1 point2 points 4 days ago[-]

Well there’s 5280 feet in a mile, but it’s likely easier to envision 63360 inches in a mile.

On your 6″ penis, are you leaving some in on each pump? Let’s say you leave 1″ in and thrust all the way, that’s 63360 / 5 or 12,672 thrusts, assuming you are only counting on the down thrust and not the upthrust too.

That’s 760,320 seconds assuming 1 second per thrust. You say 2 so that’s 380160, or 6336 MINUTES

And here’s another that was on Fox News.

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Troll king September 20, 2010 at 10:36

Damn internetz, my comment got caught in moderation….so, since this is an article on masturbation.

All Spermies are Sacred…..Never give them to a woman, unless she swallows.

Fap Fap Fap fap Fap Fap Fap

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Thag Jones September 20, 2010 at 10:41

Re: circumcision… I agree with IrunMan38 to a point, but not on the matter of whose choice it is to circumcise a boy. It’s a barbaric practice. Anyone who thinks an intact penis is gross is immature and ridiculous. It may not affect reproductive ability in the vast majority of cases, but there is a lot more to it than that, and the point here is that it’s completely unnecessary and mutilating people for “religious purposes” is just nutty. If adults want to do that to themselves it’s one thing, but adults doing it to children is disturbing and wrong.

The idea that a clitorectomy is not as bad is also utterly inane. Any genital mutilation is a vicious assault and should be seen as such. It really is amazing what people will come to accept without thought.

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 10:48

IrunMan38

“I do have to say, though, that circumcision shouldn’t be that big of a deal. There are a couple guys on here that decry it, yet there are little boys all around the world who get circumcised and it doesn’t hinder reproductivity or thier ability to have or enjoy sex.

The same can be said of female circumcision. The fact it’s not is because it’s another of feminism’s leading crusades and pointless exercise to show something against the patriarchy.
As for the ability to enjoy sex, I am sure they would have been better off.

“My dad and my grandfather were both circumcised and they still managed to have many children. I’m circumcised and while I’m not married, I’m fairly sure that if I do settle down with a non-brainwashed woman (if there are any left) I’ll have lots of children too. When I have sons, because of my faith, they will be circumcised.”

Yeah I get the point about freedom of parents to choose what to do with their children. But the claim that the hygiene is the real issue is actually a red herring; living in a society with medical wherewithal to perform such a procedure without any chances of infection runs contrary for the reason to do it in the first place, not to mention that an exposed glans is at more risk than an intact penis.

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Thag Jones September 20, 2010 at 10:53

Oh, and before anyone brings up the slightly lowered risk of penile cancer with circumcision (a rare cancer anyway), by that rationale, we should surgically remove newborn girls’ breast tissue. I mean, you can feed a baby with formula and breasts aren’t necessary for reproduction, right? A lot more women die from breast cancer than men even get penile cancer, so it seems a logical way to get rid of breast cancer.

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misterb September 20, 2010 at 11:06

Fortunately for me, and the rest of the community members who were born out of town. We were spared from circumcision.

When someone says I want to circumcise your son. To me that sounds pretty screwed up. Nevermind the whole medical shtick.

To me it shows that women truly desire inflicting harm on their own sons

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greyghost September 20, 2010 at 11:07

I think you guys are truely on to something. It is fear of men losing sexual interest of women. Women hate prostitutes, sluts,and foreign women. They especially hate foriegn women simply because of the way men speak of them. Wome have reduce them selves to just pussy and that is it. Listen to any women brag about how strong and independent she is and she will tell you herself she is only good for sex. women are a legal,financial, spiritual or what have you burden on every one they come in contact with. Think about the idea of shaming somebody that is masterbating to come buy this pussy. All for the “right” to take his kids,his house and to say he raped you.
This article is why all MRA’s need to join the tea parties and direct the agenda. They are conservative so we can have a chance at rule of law. They are outside of the ruling elite for now. And if we sit back and talk shit we get what we just read about here today.
@ Thag

scatmaster, please tell me you’re not serious. That’s horrible

That is normal stuff in marriage today. i remember standing with another mechanic one day and a young about 22-24 said this “you guys are married,i bet you guys are getting all of the time?” we both looked at each other and started laughing. The onnly reason I got married was to make a family to have kids. I’m paying for it, and when I look back and look at the kids and their mother well i’ll still take the kids. If you don’t have kids adopt or use a sarrogate. Avoid the wife all they have is sex and once hooked in with hostages (kids) even that is gone.

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TDOM September 20, 2010 at 11:10

“There are many women that could be classified as “feminist” in the MRA book who celebrate male sexuality.”

Unless you can provide some examples, I would disagree. Any “celebration” of male sexuality by feminists is only in as much as it can be exploited, i.e. controlled. I’m sure you might find a handful of exceptions, but certainly this is not the case in general. The successes of the feminist movement have been based on the concept “men=evil/women=good” and male sexuality is the primary source of evil.

TDOM

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 11:15

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 11:18

“Clitoris should not be touched at all or “altered” in any way.”

haha your wish is my comma…. not!

” Removal of clitoris IS like removal of glans. I hate it when they call it female “circumcision”, when it’s pure mutilation.”

And removal of foreskin if like removal of the labia, which btw still comes under “pure mutilation”. Read up and stop wallowing in your hate.

“Men can still orgasm nicely after they’re circumsized (I’ve had bfs with and without a foreskin and it didn’t make much difference). ”

Does it make a difference for a man to put his penis in the vagina of a cut or uncut woman?

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 11:23

“The idea is that the “seed” is wasted instead of being used for procreation”

All together now:

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If ever a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Of course, God won’t feed and clothe all the children that would result in men doing their wives with the same frequency he masturbates.

By this rationale, sperm has more value than actual children do.

That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

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CashingOut September 20, 2010 at 11:25

Wait a second…how can this skank argue anything based on a religious point of view? She talked about “dabbling” in witchcraft and such. That clearly breaks the thing about “no other gods before me,” that is a major tenet of Christianity.

We call radical Muslims “radical,” but at least they’re being honest and consistent (and that is the ONLY thing I will give them). The Christian bible is a 2000 page document, filled with wisdom, commands, and warnings made over thousands of years. If you’re going to follow it, you follow it all the way or not at all. This skank is a typical “Citation Christian,” using citations she knows in order to get what she wants, while forgetting the rest of the book.

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Curiepoint September 20, 2010 at 11:27

“Gone is female modesty and restraint.”

That’s why men are showing more restraint. As to modesty, well….

They are starting to see the ramifications that often come from knocking up some toilet of a woman. It’s fun, but boy do you end up paying, either for the “accidental” pregnancy, the STD, and the emotional terrorism. Men need to protect themselves against predators, and don’t be fooled into thinking that there aren’t that many out there; that’s what “female empowerment” has created, and a lot more buy into that than not.

There will always be stupid men who don’t care, or think that they are immune, but then again they buy everything that happens to them.

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Uncle Elmer September 20, 2010 at 11:41

They especially hate foriegn women simply because of the way men speak of them.

Funny you should mention that greyghost. Just got off the phone with my foreign wife, who had to return home for a couple months to take care of her mom.

What a strange land she hails from! In her country it is considered normal for a man to get his dick drained, and one can find a willing young lady to do it for you within about 100 yds of wherever you are.

In our country we have creepy dark masturbatoriums for men to relieve themselves. In her country they have bright, cheerful massage parlors staffed by lovely, charming, modest front desk girls and a selection of lovely ladies who will give you a great massage followed by a smiling dick rub.

And that’s what we’re really talking about here. Masturbation shaming in the western femocracies. This stupid broad asks “What am I good for if he can pleasure himself?” Obvious answer is that you should help him do it. Play with his dick while he looks at his favorite girly photos. Or if he sees a cute gal on the street you should jerk him off while he talks about her. Or massage his whole body and then his cock for as long as he wants whenever he wants it. A man won’t need to do it himself if his woman is doing her job. Unfortunately for western man their women are incapable of this simple act of generosity and caregiving.

I want these “conservative” femtards to keep opening their mouths so men of all stripes will see them for what they are : old whine in new bottles. Really eager to get their opinions on IMBRA.

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 11:42

The idea is that the “seed” is wasted instead of being used for procreation.

All together now:

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If ever a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Of course, God isn’t going to feed, clothe, or raise the little tykes that are the result of this intercourse-only philosophy.

I just love references to the Old Testament. According to that book, God loves the smell of burning flesh, especially if it’s the first-fruits of your labors. That means your eldest child, people.

God also wants people who wear garments of two different threads put to death, farmers who plant different crops in the same field put to death, children who back-sass their parents put to death, whole villages and cities put to death if there is one unbeliever who lives there…The book of Leviticus was written by a crazy sick lunatic, yet all it is referenced as the authority of how people should behave regarding harmless crap.

Masturbation as a destructive force? Come On!

If one looks at O’Donnell’s thoughts, what she is actually saying is “if my husband masturbates, he hurts my poor widdle feeeelings!”

So, he should make her a deal…she puts out whenever he wants it, and he won’t masturbate. Simple, right?

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SingleDad September 20, 2010 at 11:45

I once had a very feminist girlfriend take me to a couples sex class, very LA.

Interestingly the presenters made a statement that seems logically to be true regarding masterbation.

They stated that masterbation is always better any other type of sex because everyone knows their own body best and how to please it.

Our homework was to go home, create a pleasent environment, candles, scents and other sensual things and masterbate.

The next day we we’re to share with the class what pleased us. It was very interesting that many things that were not common knowledge became clearly true as nearly every participant, equal number of males and females as this course was for couples only.

Thus masterbation can and often is better than sex in a relationship.

I doubt many people stop masterbating when married but I bet alot of people stop having intercourse in a marriage (it’s rape don’t you know).

So I don’t patronize strip clubs, hire pro’s, or amateurs (what most women are now, ie sex for dinner, and yes I am completely satisfied and am enjoying watching my bank account get bigger.

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Migu September 20, 2010 at 11:45

How silly. :) Why should they worry at all? Men are not deterred from masturbating, yet they still crave real sex with women. It happens non-stop.

And that is about it. Nothing more. That was the point no?

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Uncle Elmer September 20, 2010 at 11:47

This article is why all MRA’s need to join the tea parties and direct the agenda. They are conservative so we can have a chance at rule of law. They are outside of the ruling elite for now.

On that I disagree, friend. The Tea Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party, and the feminist Sarah Palin is their Queen.

Will someone please ask her what she thinks of Democrat-sponsored attempts to prevent American men from traveling abroad to find wives?

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Migu September 20, 2010 at 11:47

Basically a walking talking lubricated hole. Congratulations girls, that is how you are viewed, and only you can change it.

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Migu September 20, 2010 at 11:48

Tea party??? They just want to get their hand son the whip

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 11:48

@Skadi

“The porn star is idolized.”

Yes, this is why we, real women, are going our own way.”

Maybe. But then again, why is it taking so long?

And why don’t YOU go your own way and leave us alone?

What keeps you posting here?

Don’t you see we don’t want you?

Please, please, oh, please DO GO YOUR OWN WAY!

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 11:49

“nam, the point it, why change something that was already there by design? Neither is necessary.”

ska you won’t be saying that if you had a crooked nose, or cleft lip lol
There are things that used to make sense, there are things that currently make sense, faith is integral to people’s lives, it’s pointless to argue beyond that.

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Snark September 20, 2010 at 11:53

Two observations I have made, which I ought to share.

1. Women have a need to be desired by more men than they are willing to reciprocate to.

A married woman does not stop trying to catch the eye of other men. This isn’t harmless fun. This is, when you get down to it, sick shit. Men have the emotional desire to love and to be loved; women have these emotional desires too, but they also have the burning need to be loved by men whom they do not love. We’re not talking about backup plans in case their husbands ditch them. We’re talking about men they want nothing to do with, but still demand that they be desired by them.

They become furious when they do not have this. One woman is enough for a man; one man is never enough for a woman, even if she is chaste and only romantically involved with him. She will want more men to be chasing her, and she never intends to reciprocate. Fury is the result when she does not have this.

Male masturbation really is a wrench thrown into the works, because a man can sexually satisfy himself, and not be reduced to worshipping and planting kisses at the feet of a woman who will only ever reject him.

This is why it drives them nuts; it’s why they react with disgust even while publicly broadcasting their own masturbation and sordid sex stories. Do any of you seriously think that a woman is disgusted by the thought of a man jerking off? You really think women are that pristine that they don’t fantasise about (and realise) much dirtier shit than that? A man jerking off is tame by anyone’s standards. She is offended because a man jerking off is a man who has an alternative to pussy-begging, as PMAFT quite rightly states in the article. Huge dollops of shame accompany any male sexual practice which does depend on the good graces of women; and this includes homosexuality, which even ‘sophisticated, liberal’ women scoff at when they comprehend their own impotence.

Why do you think that the second wave feminists campaigned so vigorously against marriage? You think they just wanted men and women to go their own ways, separately, independently? Of course they didn’t. They wanted men to continue to desire marriage, and for women to refuse to give it to them. They actually thought that men would be reduced to blubbering heaps when women refused them sexual access. Women overestimating their own sexual worth was a gamble that hasn’t paid off, and that’s why we now see feminists complaining about men who choose to not get married – and labelling them ‘rapists’ (not even kidding.) Again, it’s shaming, born out of fear that men are not being controlled sufficiently.

When I consider that the female alternative to feminism – that is, social conservatism – is little more than right-wing feminism, the only conclusion I can come to is an unfortunate one; that the restriction of men is a driving force innate to women.

2. Regulation is the first step towards abolition

That’s not to say that regulation is always succeeded by abolition, but wherever something is regulated, somebody is trying to abolish it.

It’s the dialectical process which has been discussed here before. And anyway, my understanding of dialectics is too limited to indulge in an explanation of the subject right here …

Shame is nothing less than the attempt to regulate male sexuality. To bring it fully under the control of women, because, as the saying goes, “when you’ve got them by the balls …” Sex is merely a weapon for a broader control over men in every conceivable sense.

And given that this is regulation, abolition is the ultimate outcome. That is, abolition of male sexuality, as in the ultimate feminist dream: castration. And the abolition of men, as in the ultimate feminist dream of a male Holocaust and the reduction to zero of the male population.

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Rebel September 20, 2010 at 11:53

@Skadi,

In a previous post, you said that women are going their own way.

Maybe. And if so, it’s a good thing.

But WHY DON’T YOU GO YOUR OWN WAY???

Why do you keep on posting here?

Can’t you see you’re NOT WANTED HERE?

Nobody, repeat: NOBODY cares about you.

Be a fly on the wall if you can’t help but listen but PLEASE quit posting.

I hate it when there’s a speck of shit in my dish.

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TDOM September 20, 2010 at 11:54

“I’m aware most modern women are like myself – they support gender equality and women’s independence, yet they do celebrate male sexuality. I don’t see a contradiction there at all.”

Supporting gender equality and women’s independence does not necessarily make one a feminist. I support these things, yet am not by any means a feminist. The problem with “most modern women” is that they do not oppose the feminist ideal that condemns male sexuality and men as evil. Even your own words demonstrate that you fall into this category.

“But don’t you agree that there is something about the male nature that is very dark and aggressive. Of course, it is a small part and it is natural.”

That statement demonstrates your misandry. The exact same thing can be said of the female nature, which makes this human nature and not simply male or female. therefore categorizing it as “male” makes it misandrous and promotes the feminist ideal of male=evil/female=good. So, if as you claim, most modern women are like yourself, then most modern women ARE misandrous as you have shown yourself to be.

TDOM

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Snark September 20, 2010 at 11:55

“Huge dollops of shame accompany any male sexual practice which does depend on the good graces of women”

Which does NOT depend on *

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John Dias September 20, 2010 at 12:00

To those who claim that the Bible does not forbid masturbation, I would tend to differ. O’Donnell was making a comment within the context of promoting Christianity, not in the context of instituting public policy nor in establishing a mere cultural taboo. She was talking about her religious faith. So if you’re going to criticize her comment, then do so out of a concern for distinguishing authentic (versus inauthentic) Christianity.

For accuracy’s sake, I’m now going to quote from scripture to illustrate my points.

As a men’s activist myself, I’m well aware that female sexuality can be used to control and manipulate men. It has been referred to as the “honey trap,” resulting in all kinds of obligations and legal ramifications that can literally trap a man. But those are the trappings that we can see; there are also spiritual trappings. I believe that self-mastery includes mastery over one’s own impulses; certainly this would give men far more control over their lives especially in situations where they might otherwise discard their better judgment in the face of sexual opportunity. Being able to decline such an opportunity is the outward sign of inner mastery, but being able to fight off the harmful desire itself reflects true self-mastery. That is a state that men would benefit from. And now the quote, reinforcing this point:

Genesis 4:4-7
(4)”…the LORD had regard for Abel and his offering, (5)but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. (6) The LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? (7)If you do well, will you not be accepted?[1] And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for[2] you, but you must rule over it.”
[1] Hebrew “will there not be a lifting up [of your face]?”
[2] Hebrew “against”

To “rule over” a desire is to eclipse it with sheer spiritual discipline and willpower. That is a quality that too few men have, and in my opinion it would be a great asset for any of them. So when it comes to masturbation, ask yourself how you would feel if you had a sexual desire but no opportunity to fulfill it without jeopardizing yourself. How can you “rule over” the desire? Is your only available option release? Reflecting on this question, the apostle Peter wrote about how one is a slave to whatever desire has mastered (“overcome”) him:

2 Peter 2:9
(9) “The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials[1], and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, (10) and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority… (12)But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, (13)suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blogs and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions[2], while they feast with you. (14)They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin… (17) These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. (19)They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves[3] of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.
[1] Or “temptations”
[2] Some manuscripts “love feasts”
[3] Greek “bondservants”

So masturbation is not necessarily healthy if it means that a man has to surrender control over himself, i.e. control over his mind. Now as to whether masturbation is a sinful act, think about what makes it possible. You have to be thinking of something in order to get aroused, and so the sin is in the mind. Here is a quote from the apostle Paul on this:

1 Thessalonians 4:3
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification[1]: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body[2] in holiness and honor, not in passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.”
[1] Or “your holiness”
[2] or “how to take a wife for himself; Greek “how to possess his own vessel”

Controlling one’s mind precedes controlling one’s body, and self-control reflects self-mastery. This is a valuable skill to have, because it makes you as a man a chooser, rather than someone who is manipulated by a desire from an outside source. Don’t think of the act of surrendering as freedom.

More directly, Jesus himself was radical about the sin of lust, even advocating extreme measures in order to avoid becoming controlled and enslaved by a desire:

Matthew 5:27-30
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultury.’ [Exodus 20:14; Deuteronomy 5:18] (28) But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (29)If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. (30)And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.”

Jesus equates lust of the eye with adultery. Also in this context, he points out that “your right hand” may cause you to sin. How could your right hand be used in the act of indulging your lustful thoughts? You do the math!

Lastly, in the quote above, Jesus recognized a distinction between male uniqueness and female uniqueness, specifically addressing men in this verse (notice the gendered use of pronouns, which I have highlighted above). In the quote preceding it, from Paul (1 Thessalonians 4:3), it reads “that each one of you know how to control his own body[2] in holiness and honor” but in the actual Greek it says “how to possess his own vessel” meaning his wife. With these quotes, the Holy Spirit (through Paul) and Jesus both underscore and validate the notion that men are held to a higher standard specifically because they are expected to “possess” a wife, not to “be possessed” by a desire. The desire to lust is not natural either; if you accept the existence of the spiritual world you may understand that desires are routinely implanted into you.

If, however, you consider the Bible to be the subjective will of man and believe that it’s origin was manipulatively determined by a man to control followers, of course you would consider everything that I just wrote to be worthless. Nevertheless, Christine O’Donnell was speaking as a Christian, not at the time as a policy maker, and she was reasoning on that basis.

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Curiepoint September 20, 2010 at 12:01

“The idea is that the “seed” is wasted instead of being used for procreation. ”

All together now:

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If ever a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Of course, it isn’t God who is going to feed, clothe, or raise the results of this idiotic notion of intercourse-only sexual outlet. Apparently, sperm enjoy special favor from God whereas humans don’t. Whether Onan was killed because he disobeyed a direct edict from God, or because his precious DNA ended up fertilizing the ground instead of Tamar could be argued from now until the judgement trump. The story is indirect in it’s implications, just like most of them are.

The conservatives love to point to the Bible as “proof” of their agenda, particularly Leviticus. This is the same book that claims that people who wear garments woven of two different threads need to burned alive, that farmers who plant different crops in the same field need to be put to death, that whole cities need to be put to death right down to the livestock if there is even one unbeliever who lives there…

If one reads O’Donnells comments more closely, it really amounts to “If my husband masturbates, he is hurting my poor widdle feeeelings!”.

Well tough.

Life is full of hurt feelings and resentments. Men don’t need to be made to think that his needs are sinful and wrong while hers are legitimate and justified.

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 12:11

Feminism is all about female sexuality and its gratification. The permission to flaunt it in order to satisfy the female ego; and to do so without any repercussions or being subjected to advances from men lower on the hierarchy; the ability to go for the best men and not to be called sluts even after taking a mutlitude of cocks in different orifices; wearing rags that leave their asses and bosoms hanging out, but “hey don’t objectify me bro”.

Even though it might not be evident in the past or women themselves didn’t think so, but the ennui in bedroom is more problematic than not having a job. Even having a job is just a way to increase SMV.

You’d realize that although the slogan is raised about “women and children” the truth is children are really secondary. It’s really about sex, rather than abortion. The real problem with female circumcision or FGM is not really reproduction, it’s that the wimminz might not be having proper orgasms.
Which one of the sexes is really concerned about the quality of sexual encounters, which one of them really keeps harping on bettering it?
Sex this, sex that, my body this, my body that, the female sexuality was controlled for eons, sex is power, power is rape, blah blah blah and ask women why do they sexualize themselves? “Oh poor me, the society told me to do it.” Horseshit.

Femininity is basically other word for sexuality. The femininity of the older times that men today seem to long for, was really roles carved by men for women. Idealised “women” created by patriarchy. This current situation is what women really are, they are free and you have to accept that this is what happens when women do have freedom, that is freedom over their bodies. This is true femininity and not some “masculinization”.

Women don’t have any problems with the control of their minds, which men otoh fear so much, because as long as they are getting what their bodies desire they don’t care. While men see their bodies as means to achieve an end, women see their bodies as an end in themselves.

Why women fear men deserting bedroom for other things is because they really need their sex shots; even though they might not realize it consciously and keep harping on “we need to be loved but evil men just want sex”., the reality is diametrically different.
Blaming men for being shallow, asking men to see beauty in 300lb whales, trying their best to keep younger women,especially virgin women out of market, continually pushing the male sexuality in corner so that men can only release when their female overlords want them to.
But the boner never lies, nor does their own vagina.

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greyghost September 20, 2010 at 12:11

Guys, what the hell are you talking about? No one is shaming anybody for masturbation! Anyone can masturbate as much as they want! I can’t believe you’re making an issue out of this because of what one ultra-Christian girl once said.

You’re a stupid ass Skadi, it damn sure does matter. The lady that said that is trying to be a US senator. They write laws like the ones that got the men to the spearhead in the first place.

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Uncle Elmer September 20, 2010 at 12:12

You don’t understand. We have to do it. It’s part of our lifestyle.

- Jerry Seinfeld

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 12:21

On “sex positive” feminists-

To be fair, it is very true that some fems celebrate male sexuality. Young women seem to have a different attitude on some male sexuality than their older, more militant counterparts. However, their refreshing tolerance comes to a screeching halt when it comes to things like foreign brides, sex robots, or prostitution.

A young feminist will watch porn with you, go to a strip club with you, and buy you a “fleshlight.” What she will never do is tolerate a long-term replacement strategy for her company.

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 12:23

Thanks for the quotes John Dias, I believe in somewhat similar things though not with authority of Jesus or any God backing me, nor do I take everything as it is. My thoughts are here:

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/09/15/how-female-suffrage-destroyed-western-civilization/#comment-42870

But as you say that it’s what in mind that matters, but I don’t really expect Christine O’Donnell to have said or campaigned against masturbation with that comment of yours in her mind.
Not with the changes that Christianity has undergone, and not with the changes that the status of women has undergone, and by the virtue of not being a man.
The fact that masturbation becomes about women is just another way that feminism takes over men’s issues and telling men what to do. That reducing every issue to how it affects someone and not really how it affects men themselves. And no, shaming men doesn’t count.

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Uncle Elmer September 20, 2010 at 12:23

It’s time we come out of the shadows and end our silence.

This calls for a Million Men Masturbating march on Warshington.

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 12:27

Thanks for the quotes John Dias, I believe in somewhat similar things though not with authority of Jesus or any God backing me, nor do I take everything as it is. My thoughts are here:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/09/15/how-female-suffrage-destroyed-western-civilization/#comment-42870

But as you say that it’s what in mind that matters, but I don’t really expect Christine O’Donnell to have said or campaigned against masturbation with that comment of yours in her mind.
Not with the changes that Christianity has undergone, and not with the changes that the status of women has undergone, and mostly by the virtue of not being a man.
The fact that masturbation becomes about women is just another way that feminism takes over men’s issues and telling men what to do. That reducing every issue to how it affects someone(generally women) and not really how it affects men themselves, both morally and physically. And no, shaming men doesn’t count.

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CashingOut September 20, 2010 at 12:46

@ H.E.

Beat me to the point. I would like to add that the important thing to note here in sex positive feminism is how male sex is viewed: it’s not so much celebrated as it is tolerated as necessary. They won’t try to stamp out male sexuality, but it is still viewed as a bad thing, which should be as minimized as possible. Sex should always be redefined as inherently female dominant, whether the act is a blowjob, or missionary sex, or a handjob, or whatever. If you don’t believe me, just try talking to one about a man initiating sex, and being dominant throughout the sex act. They just can’t get their little heads around the fact that a man being in charge during sex can be a good thing, and that women can and do enjoy that sort of thing.

Ultimately, the shrieking harpies who are talking about how society needs to be more open minded about sex are the ones who have the most hangups about sex.

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TDOM September 20, 2010 at 13:01

TDOM, what makes a feminist then? Condemning male sexuality? Very few women would, as most women crave male sexuality.

Since condemning male sexuality is one of the basic premises of feminisim, I would have to answer “yes.” Women want sex from men, but this is very different from “craving” or “celebrating” male sexuality. As I have stated previously, they wish to control it. The extreme position is that sex is rape unless initiated by the woman. In more mainstream society, it takes the form of anti-male humor, making male sexual performance into a joke or the condemnation of all men for the failure of one man. Watch nearly any sitcom if you want an example.

“But men are generally more aggressive, more daring and more selfish.”

Not entirely true. I don’t have the references with me as I am at work, but many studies have shown that men and women are equally aggressive. Physical violence is but one form of aggression. Men commit more stranger violence than women, but partner violence is committed at nearly thesame rate. Women tend to be far more verbal in their aggressive behaviors, attack personal relationships, and are far less forgiving in these attacks.

Men may tend to be more daring and do take more risks.

Codes of chivalry and “women and children first” attitudes as well as a history of risking life and limb on behalf of women would tend to indicate that men are far less selfish than women. Men have historically been more than willing to die for a cause, especially women. Look at the current justification for the Afgan war; it’s all about the Afgan women. Then look at who the volunteers are that are dying in that war. Nearly every last one of them was a man. When was the last time a number of women unselfishly sacrificed themselves to save men?

TDOM

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Amax September 20, 2010 at 13:08

I’d like to believe this too, but you’re working under the assumption that these types of women are interested in “quality men”. I don’t know if this is necessarily the case: a lot of woman say they want a “good man”, but then how many of them scoff at the men in their lives that are just that?

I hear what you’re saying and of course you are correct, however let me explain my position.

Women aren’t interested in ‘quality men’ at the moment due to the fact that even if they choose poorly, their needs are taken care of by and through the government. Understand, in the past making a good and educated choice in a mate was a very important matter for women, there was no social assistance or alimony so essentially, there where no other choices. As a woman, you chose well, and you chose as early as you could before your appearance dwindled and compromised your choices and there was no one to come to your rescue if you screwed things up. Sure, the “Bad Boy’ was exciting, but back in the day, long term happiness (meaning eating regularly and a roof over your head) was much more sought after and the female contingent drilled this into the younger woman’s heads to let them know the real situation. Since there is a fallback option now, women don’t care how unfair things are for men and choose Cads as long as they can (or even if they are still with a good Dad). As Paul Elam had stated in his Zeta Game article, woman have always wanted to have their cake and eat it too, they just didn’t engage in these activities as the consequences where catastrophic and long lasting. However, as the government tax base dwindles due to more and more men ‘sitting down’ and not getting married or working, the associated social ‘rescue unit’ will also be compromised in time, therefore removing the effectiveness of a woman’s safety net in which they have grown accustomed to for the last little while.

Think of it like this, would you still buy a nice, big, boxy minivan for your family if Ford gave you a stipend for gas and reduced the price by ½ for a Mustang? I’m sure many people would think long and hard about it given this choice, but we all know why many don’t. The car is prohibitive in price and maintenance considering many family’s budgets and would lead to financial issues down the road so without this stipend, it simply is out of many people’s reach. That is the case with women now; they don’t have to think like family women getting economical vehicles when financial ruin still won’t follow their capricious sport car spending. However, when the stipend stops, and the price goes back up, where will these women be? I don’t care who you are, when you used to have a vehicle and you don’t have one anymore, all of a sudden minivans start looking damn good.

Consider this; Novaseeker wrote an essay about an Article called; “The New Math on Campus.” A very interesting essay and the article is also very enlightening. Basically, this article discusses many issues, but also the supply and demand dynamic between the sexes. Essentially, since there are so many women and a dearth of men, women have been put on the defensive, having to do more to ‘lock in’ a man, and to put up with a lot more negative behavior from these same men. Simply put, they are now dealing with being on the wrong end of the supply and demand equation and it will only get worse as time goes on.

Essentially Cracker; woman are slowly putting themselves in a situation similar to their compatriots of the past. If you want a family, you aren’t going to get far without a man, and if you want a man, you had better be prepared to work and work hard for it. Alphas are fun, but not so great long term. Beta’s are boring, but are good for the long haul. As alternatives and their fertility dry up, they will begin to get desperate and competition for Beta’s will heat up (well, any man willing to marry) as settling will be a very unattractive option for the well educated, contemporary woman, (Read; Marry Him by Lori Gottlieb) which brings me back to my original statement; women will be competing for a host of men who quite a few are pissed off at being hosed for so long AND have other alternatives for what a man’s needs are, namely sex.

Women have tremendous leverage over us, but without it, they virtually have nothing and therefore, nothing to make us bend over and sacrifice our lives for their many wants and desires. They do not want men to exercise this right in any way shape or form and this realization will piss many a woman off.

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 13:13

CashingOut-”They just can’t get their little heads around the fact that a man being in charge during sex can be a good thing, and that women can and do enjoy that sort of thing.”

This is the result of feminist brainwashing. Women have “freed” themselves from the dominant male, yet that is what she desires most. In fact, women line up around the block to bed thugs and psychopaths just to have the experience of being dominated. Yet try having that discussion with any “enlightened” woman and you’re branded a rapist caveman.

These bitches are appallingly stupid, hypocritical, and deluded. It is really pathetic.

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fondueguy September 20, 2010 at 13:13

Here’s a list of things women can be threatened by because it might minimize their sexual dominance over men.

-Masterbation (but only idiots would try to stop men)
-fleshlight (thus the shaming language)
-young females (older women see their diminishing sexual value then shame and legislate for higher age of consent)
-anal sex (its a tighter hole and sometimes a vagina can get boring. However scared little girls like Olivia Munn will say “nuh uh, there’s nothing wrong with the vagina”. I guess she’s also threatening by homosexuality, but only males of course)

Olivia Minn with Dr. Drew on YouTube.

Notice what a bitch Olivia is. Also I love Kevin’s response “respectfully disagree”. Awesome!

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SingleDad September 20, 2010 at 13:19

And published today in the least feminist of the feminist main stream media rags, FOX online, men who masterbate are “destructive”.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/09/17/hes-just-sex/?test=faces

I have to go right now and “destroy” something, be back in 15 minutes….lol.

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 13:24

little red riding hood:
“Well, sorry to inform you, but the woman’s body indeed does belong to herself (e.g., to her soul).”

and then you realize why the ancients believed that women had no souls.

” You wouldn’t like someone else controlling your body without your consent, would you?”

well I certainly won’t shout rape if it came to defending my country.

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nothingbutthetruth September 20, 2010 at 13:25

Haha. This smells of desperation. A wanna-be Senator talking about masturbation.

Men have always masturbated but do you know any other time in history that this has been in the public discourse?

Women are afraid, women are desperate, they are losing their sexual power, it is harder and harder for them to marry, they are afraid of ending up lonely.

Their little feminism experiment to give less and less to men and to demand more and more of them has not ended with the better bigger deal they wanted. It has ended with men concluding that women are a bad deal and leaving them alone. They have priced out of the marked.

Now they are bewildered. They don’t know what to do. Let’s forbid porn, let’s forbid masturbation, let’s forbid prostitution, let’s forbid videogames (not yet but I don’t think it is impossible in the future). Let’s forbid anything different than being a woman’s slave.

They are delusional. Nothing will work. The only thing that would work is to give a better deal to men. But they are not interested in that. In their magical thinking world, they think that they can make men love them only by forbidding things and shaming them.

Haha. They have what they deserve. After millenia of being supported and adored by men (who often died by them), they decided to bite the hand who feeds them. Now, enjoy the world you have created.

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Avenger September 20, 2010 at 13:31

Male circumcision was a blood sacrifice and simply a substitute for actual infant sacrifice to the gods. It actually has nothing to do with one particular religion but in the west where most people are Christians they know the Hebrew version. Abraham who started the practise among the Hebrews was actually going to sacrifice his son first. Child sacrifice was actually a holdover from pre agricultural days and a primitive form of population control. People were actually more concerned with the animals around them that they ate being fruitful and multiplying than the humans. Humans took up resources esp. when animals were scarce. There was no need to build up a big population to fight enemies because there were few people on earth and groups never even came into contact with others. Even the story of Lot which is really modern human history his daughters thought they were the only people left on earth and had sex with their father so they could get children.
In the places where female circumcision is practised they also do it to the men and to the same degree. If it’s something radical then the men also suffer the same fate and may have not only the foreskin removed but also the penis incised. But most female “circumcision” is nothing more that the ritual breaking of the hymen or slight removal of the clitoral hood. Actually, both of these things are good for the female and are not intended to cripple the female sexually. In places where females have sex early they probably still have a hymen and performing this ritual would make their first sexual intercourse better for them. Same with exposing the clitoris more.

btw, I notice that a lot of females here think the clitoris is what makes a female orgasm. You hear all of this feminist propaganda about how superior the clitoris is to the penis blah blah blah but if that were so than all females would have orgasm every time they had sex. Few do.The females who can orgasm like deep penetration. Feminists like the clit idea because most of them are lesbians but it’s funny because even lesbians resort to dildoes, sometimes double headed ones so the instinct to be penetrated must be deep rooted when even man hating dykes want something in them.

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 13:34

“Celebrating male sexuality doesn’t mean you cater to all of his sexual wishes, it’s more like pleasing yourself through his sexuality.”

When a man loves a woman, he does not give himself, but takes her. When a woman loves a man she gives herself utterly. Utterly? Yet there is one small thing she will never submit – her enjoyment! Thus she keeps for herself what she really values, and gives what is not important to her. His gain is therefore hollow, as she has given nothing. He has been duped, for she has given him sand dressed up as gold. But then . . . she never did promise him anything.

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greyghost September 20, 2010 at 13:35

On that I disagree, friend. The Tea Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party, and the feminist Sarah Palin is their Queen.

Don’t get too cute and out smart yourself Uncle Elmer The ruling elite of the republivcan party the washington DC crowd hates the tea party. Watch the actual elections and pay attention to the politics involved. Carl Rove is now a media golden boy for standing by a “republican” and not the conservative that won the primary. The tea parties are different and I just jioned one in Texas today. We need to get in there before the ruling class turns them. The political battle is ruling elite vs you peasants. Don’t be so smart and above it all and let someone like this lady the subject of the article start writing laws without your input. We made this mistake once lets not do it again.

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CashingOut September 20, 2010 at 13:42

@nothingbutthetruth:

There is precedent for forbidding video games. Rapelay was banned in Japan. I was one of the people who somewhat questioned if this was the best idea for a video game for public sale, but banning it was overkill. GTA San Andreas got recalled and reprinted due to a grainy scene that was only accessible by performing a convoluted hack, one which required such skill that anyone who was able to perform the hack is probably smart enough to be able to google porn or at the very least, look in the appropriate fashion magazines for it.

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Paradoxotaur September 20, 2010 at 13:43

Re: A women’s body being her own.

Yes, it is, until she stands up at an alter in front of witnesses and she vows to “combine my body and soul as one with my spouse until death do us part”, then it seems a bit of an encumbrance attaches. If she wants to re-assert unilateral atonomy over her body, I guess that would be a repudiation of her marriage vows, freeing her husband of his maritial obligations.

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 13:51

nothingbutthetruth-

I enjoyed your comment so much, I very nearly committed the sin of onanism in my pants. Thanks for speaking the truth, my friend.

My only caveat is that there are still too many whiteknights and manginas for me to feel comfortable we’re actually winning this battle.

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cracker September 20, 2010 at 14:05

Amax-

Excellent explanation. I’d like to hope that things will work out that way, though I’m not overly optimistic.

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Uncle Elmer September 20, 2010 at 14:06

I commend your activism greyghost. Personally I should ignore politics unless I am doing something about it. But the fact remains, Tea Party candidates are getting on the Republican ballots, and the Republicans are keen to keep them in the fold. So to me they are just Republicans. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there is no Tea Party ticket.

And their early stage antics pretty much branded them, culminating in their salivating idolatry of the notorious palm-scribbling buffoon Palin. Attempts to repackage them as an inclusive movement will not overcome the ugly first impressions they created.

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Scalpel Please September 20, 2010 at 14:09

FFS – another perfectly good article hijacked in comments by anti-circumcision fanatics. There should be a ban on any & all discussion of circumcision – pro or con – in comments on articles that are not directly related to that surgical procedure itself. This one is not.

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cracker September 20, 2010 at 14:12

When a man loves a woman, he does not give himself, but takes her. When a woman loves a man she gives herself utterly. Utterly? Yet there is one small thing she will never submit – her enjoyment! Thus she keeps for herself what she really values, and gives what is not important to her. His gain is therefore hollow, as she has given nothing. He has been duped, for she has given him sand dressed up as gold. But then . . . she never did promise him anything.

Screw you Skadi – I think it’s an amazing description. And I don’t think it applies only to sex either. Women enter relationships unwilling to giving completely of themselves – always on guard, always ready to pull away and retract their affection.

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September 20, 2010 at 13:37

-its just the extremists
-when men are aggressive MEN are aggressive; when women are aggressive its people that are aggressive
-men are aggressive brutes while women are smart and aggressive. Men have no limits while women only kill babies, abuse children, and ask for others to die for them.
-men dying in Afghanistan are our boys thus it is women who are just as much the victims.
-men protect women women put men in harms way with praise

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TDOM September 20, 2010 at 14:19

“However, men are more ruthless.”

On a societal level this might be true, but only because men have always dominated the upper rungs of society. On an individual level, this is not likely the case. Studies are showing that as women gain more positions of power, they are becoming just as likely to abuse that power. They already exhibit just as much violence in intimate relationships and commit more child abuse (of their own children), including child murders. If you are one of those who counts abortion as murder, then women commit many times more child murder than men (I don’t count it as such btw, but it is rather ruthless). Then look at what women do to their spouses and children under the guise of Family Law. They abuse the system simply because they know they can get away with it.

“Anyway, the point is, yes, men often act selflessly, but… men generally are more nonchalant about the needs of “others”.. unless they are relatives or somehow useful to them.

Time and time again throughout history men have disproved this. chivalry and “women and children first” never only applied to relatives or those who were “useful.”

There have been studies about this (for instance, that men tend not to like it if their partner is super altruistic, while women actually like this, I guess in order to preserve resources while women are willing to distribute those resources more).”

Liking altruistic qualities in another person is far different from being altruistic. Women may prefer these qualities because they want a man who is willing to sacrific for her.

As for women being more willing to distribute resources, this has never actually been shown to my knowlege. Last February in Haiti when food distribution was to women only, the organizations justified it by stating this, but when asked to cite their basis in reasearch, could not.

“Men are more straighforward and direct in their violence. It’s already been researched over and over that, yes, women are more verbally aggressive and more crafty in relationships.”

Your choice of language is interesting. When speak of male aggression, you use the word “violence” while using the term “aggression” to refer to women. also the term “crafty” has a more positive connotation indicating you find this normal and acceptable. It is an obvious negative protrayal of men and more positive or neutral portrayal of women. You have done this consistenly throughout this discussion, yet you trivialize the man=evil/woman=good basis of feminism by dismissing it as the rantings of a few extremists. what you are doing is illustrating you own acceptance of this extremist position and how “normal” it has become that you can’t even recognize it in yourself.

TDOM

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 14:28

“nam, it wasn’t the ancients, but some Christians. And what does it matter if they believed something mean like that?”

Verification from another source.

“nam, you must have been sleeping with wrong women.. it’s more like give and take.”

do vaginal fluids travel down a man’s urethra?

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Skadi September 20, 2010 at 12:28
TDOM, what makes a feminist then? Condemning male sexuality? Very few women would, as most women crave male sexuality.

WTF skadi? you really are proof positive of the ‘broken clock’ theory of women. Your all over the place, but the above set’s it off for me. Do you really think that? If this is true then why do so many women shit test men and try to turn them into betas. Hell, through relationships women turn desirable men into creatures their disgusted by. Women crave destroying male sexuality/independence/etc. only to move onto another victim. Even if they don’t divorce their husbands or cuckold them, well they turn their boys or brothers into creatures that women are disgusted by, betas-omegas.

Really guys, what’s up with all the stupid female comments lately, well not all but damn….the troll king is injured, my paw paw finger, it’s broke from all the downvoting, and damn, my wrist, it’s all fucked up from fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap, while downvoting. lulzl lulz

……………………Since this got turned into a circ thread, Ill say this:

Let’s not do the feminist shit but instead focus on utility, biology, and simple mechanics/evolution. I content that the foreskin and hymen evolved for similiar or analagous reasons. Let’s start with the functional aspects of the hymen, feminists favorite subject.

1. It obviously exists to keep the area clean and germ/pest free until the female reaches a certain age, adolescence, and through all those years of activity is worn down by x%[srsly dudes, I dated this half sudanese/Egyptian girl who was a gymnist hoping to compete for Egypt in the olympics, and she actually had a signed certificate saying she was not a virgin but had not fornicated either, being that her hyman was disrupted during workouts and stress and therefore not eligible for virginity or marriage]

Now we need to observe several facts, mainly regarding humans and their herd instincts/dynamics or tribal dynamics. The main point being that throughout most of human history people were more or less related to everyone in their tribe, and i think the social bonds of families and kin groups evolved through heavy evolutionary pressure. Similiar to how altruism is thougth to have evolved.

Now consider two possibilities, one the tribe is made up of alot of shifty, sociopathic and even more pedophilic people. This tribe, when weathering scarcity and other environmental forces is probably less likely to stick together. I mean, are you really going to save the life of a man or woman who you think, but maybe can’t prove or can, molested your child???

Possibility two, because of the survival aspects of kin relationships and strong family dynamics in surviving hostile environments, evolution selected for traits that might prevent some of these ills.

Here is where I make my leap,
2. I trolled upon a doctors site awhile back and this OBGYN was talking about a rare, but common enough problem in baby girls that doctors need and do have to treat, condition where the child is born with a hymen that is too thick and even covers the uretha, meaning the baby girl won’t be able to pee if a small amount of skin isn’t removed.

Why have this condition if it didn’t evolve to one extreme. If im wrong why not have a common condition where the hymen is under developed instead of over developed? Maybe it exists, and i just haven’t trolled upon it yet, idk.

Well, consider back in the days when we walked around naked, or near naked and in many parts of the world it’s not too uncommon for people not to worry about small children running around naked. But if someone, in this case probably a male pedo, raped a young girl the hymen would break and there would be visible damage. Is it really a stretch to believe that evolutionary selective pressures are behind this???

Now, let’s turn our attention to uncut baby boys:

1. First and foremost: ALL PARENTS OF UNCUT BABY BOYS, DO NOT PULL BACK OR TRY TO PULL BACK THE FORESKIN…IT’S FUCKING GLUED ON FOR A REASON! And it really is glued on by a small layer of skin that magically disappears and wears down by the time(99% of the time see below) a boy goes through puberty and wakes up one morning with a raging hard on. Now, I content that the foreskin evolved for several reasons, to keep out infections and viruses….[]

[quick note: awhile back I trolled upon a study that now I can't find, and it was on the various stem cells that are only found in the foreskin and how these cells had a natural cleansing process[similiar to the vagina] that in their research they found could actually stop and destroy certain types of cells, they specifically mentioned this in regards to a cure for aids….hmmm, check out hestias article here on the spearhead about how foreskins are sold for huge amounts of money(black=600$ and pure white= around 1200%+) and used to create make up for famewhores like oprah….it’s a multi billion dollar international industry, with alot of these facial creams being made where? Where you might ask? FUCKIN SWEDEN, a cesspool of feminism….Now, im going to put on my capitalistic hat, and first think critically about this shit about circ reducing aids, and say that if I wanted to get cheap product, and my product is something taken and sold from humans[wtf about body trafficking and organ sales, I thought selling body parts was illegal] and i knew there was a way to market a fear mongering campaing where people will volunteer and even save me money…hmmmm?]

………And I also think foreskins evolved for the same reason. To protect against female on male child abuse/molestation/rape. Consider, that a woman who tries to evoke an erection from a young boy[it's an automatic neuro response even found in young boys] then there would be more tearing and ripping, displaying signs to the herd that a female or male had harmed the boy.

2. Awhile back I trolled on some interesting medical info about foreskins, there is a rare, but happens enough that doctors SHOULD be trained in it although most just circ, where the foreskin grows too much and covers uretha meaning the baby boy can’t piss….hmmmm, deja vu

3. Most countries that don’t practice circumcison, use a technique of removing just as little foreskin as possible while allowing the boy to be functional.

In conclusion, I think that the reason female on boy/girl child rape and sex abuse is not and hasn’t been taken seriously is because of the widespread act of circumcision combined with the female herds ability to market themselves as morally pure, special lil snowflakes capable of doing not wrong/victim meta-narrative, which btw is how they are able to shame men for what we do with our own dicks…..why oh why are they so obsessed with boys and mens dicks???

Anyways, that’s my theory. Oh, and for the record ofcourse you still work properly! Some guys need to pick up a medical or biology book. Erections are caused by the brain, nervous sytem and prostate while sperm is created in the testicles. As long as you have a prostate[prostate cancer is a serious male concern, you become impotent] you get hard and create cum, and as long as you have atleast one functioning nut you create spermies. What you are missing is miles of nerve endings in the foreskin, the protection the foreskin provides[I heard a horrible story of two dudes stuck in the snow for days, they both got frost bite on their hands, and feet and nose, but the cut guy also lost half his dick while the uncut guy was fine] and well shit, that spot on the bottom of your war helmet, if your uncut it’s the male version of a g-spot, called a frenulum. It’s the thick bundle of tissues that anchor the foreskin to the head and shaft, if our cut you have at best half of those nerves and scar tissue instead.

fun ballsack fact: The balls have specialized cells that when activated create not one, not two, but four spermies….women are born with a single number of cells, that when at puberty become active and create eggs. They then sit there and just roll down the shoot. men are better than women!

[I wonder if any studies have found variability in this branching phenomenon, consider Male-male competition, sperm competition, so why not have a variance????]

The more you know!!! ba du dum

fap fap fap, fuck fascist feminists, fap fap fap

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Lord Viktor September 20, 2010 at 14:38

There really is no fucking hope for men, is there?

We vote Democrat, we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs. We vote Republican, we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs. We vote for the Green Party, we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs.

And now, if we vote for the Tea Party we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs.

God help us all!!

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Lord Viktor September 20, 2010 at 14:42

You know, I knew this O’Donnel witch was far too good to be true.

Mark my words, even if she wins the Presidency, she will immediately default to the anti-male political measures of her bra-burning sisters.

Now that I think of it, it was only a matter of time before the Tea Party was hijacked by VAWA and NOW. I really don’t know why I’m so shocked and dismayed, it was inevitable.

Because we men are weak. And stupid.

It’s amazing how all the men in the Tea Party are turning a blind eye to O’Donnell’s misandric bile, they are not even aware they are voting for their own destroyer, the fools!

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Snark September 20, 2010 at 14:49

Welmer, please ban Skadi

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namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 15:09

“fun ballsack fact: The balls have specialized cells that when activated create not one, not two, but four spermies….women are born with a single number of cells, that when at puberty become active and create eggs. They then sit there and just roll down the shoot.”

Makes you wonder how people can say that women give life, when they just seem to be decaying organic matter.

and,
Skadi Skadi go away,
stand up, go out, and play;
cmon now, be a little good lass,
or snark will spank yer arse.

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 15:11

Lord Viktor-”We vote Democrat, we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs. We vote Republican, we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs. We vote for the Green Party, we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs. And now, if we vote for the Tea Party we get the feminists and their mangina attack dogs.”

Agreed. Though one could argue some candidates less bad than others. The problem is, conservatives & Republicans are going “all in” on Feminism because they need the votes of white women to replace the votes of Latinos who have left the party. The Bush/Cheney administration was also rather notorious for pedestalizing women so I think the GOP just sees female supremacy as the rules of the game now.

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greyghost September 20, 2010 at 15:14

I’ll keep you posted uncle Elmer this politics is new to me as a potential player. I just don’t want to watch on the side lines anymore. If I can get on the inside I’ll send as many as possible to the spearhead. Politics is where the power is. Don’t let some popular with the fellas on the block shit talk about Palin and the republicans steer you away. Palin and alot of these other conservative femminist are herd followers. We maybe able to influence the women.
Also I would love to get to Palin and the whiteknight mangina Sean Hannity. We need to get to them with our message . Most people know something is up but man I never knew until I by chance found these blogs. They are probably just as in the dark with brainwashed beliefs.

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fondueguy September 20, 2010 at 15:15

Never believe men are more ruthless as a whole.

As for one of the biggest atrocities in mankind, war, it must be kniwn that women create the need for war (biggest consumers), they demand it in multiple ways (mate selection, husband praise or shame, and normal community networks/interaction), and they raise boys to do it. Then women do the most heartless thing, they tell men to go in their stead. This type of situation can be extended to many other examples of men doing violence at women’s bidding which means those women are creating violence towards the enemy AND the “ally”.

Mothers kill babies at a higher rate than fathers, probably in part because their helpless.

Women are as physically violent in the home as men and probably more verbally aggressive.

The worst part of all this is that women’s aggression and violence is not done in the service of society. I’ve said it before but men use their daring and aggression to run in burning buildings, jump from helicopters, explore new recourses, go down mines, and build bridges and dams. Women punch, stab, shoot, and strangle but I don’t see them risk life and limb to rescue or build like men.

I don’t want to deal with “who is worse” my only point is never never never believe women are not aggressive or violent.

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TDOM September 20, 2010 at 15:24

Snark, simply because Skadi does not realize the level of her own misandry does not mean she needs to be banned. From what I’ve read, she’s at least been civil about it.

OK, I’ve done my white knighting for the day.

TDOM

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 15:25

@namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 13:34

“When a man loves a woman, he does not give himself, but takes her. When a woman loves a man she gives herself utterly. Utterly? Yet there is one small thing she will never submit –her enjoyment! Thus she keeps for herself what she really values, and gives what is not important to her. His gain is therefore hollow, as she has given nothing. He has been duped, for she has given him sand dressed up as gold. But then . . . she never did promise him anything.”

Wow! That is deep and poetic; did you write that?

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 15:26

Please don’t post that I accidentally submitted. The deep and poetic…

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Traveller September 20, 2010 at 15:34

Congratulations for another courageous post in this site about a taboo topic these days.

This whole discussion is like the stupid thing women say about marriage: they pretend a good financial status and at same time they complay the husband works too much.

It makes me laugh how the feminists can be so stupid. Let’s see.

1. They pretend to control men with sex.

2. They try to remove any alternative to them for men who want sex (porn, prostitution, now masturbation).

Unfortunately for them, the 2 points are incompatible.

In fact, for the point 1, males MUST be able to feel sexual pleasure. So they can obtain it in any way, so the point 2 is impossible (or do they want cut mens’ hands?).

Conversely, obtaining the point 2 would be so difficult, because it would imply censoring everything sexual, and controlling any thoughs or sex fantasies (let alone the mens’ hands as already said). Diverse religions tried for millennia, and miserably failed. Their task is have a man without sexuality. So voiding the point 1: a sex-less creature does not look women and he (he? it?) is not controlled by them.

The difference between a woman and a hand is in the mens’ brain. I mean, stimulating the penis with one of the two, it reacts the same way. Women, devaluing so much the brain, theirs and mens’, do not grasp that. They will fail forever.

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Kathy September 20, 2010 at 15:42

namae nanka : “and the last article I read about some Australian doctors recommending circumcision, showed that it had increased in Australia despite being discouraged”

No, that is not correct namae nanka. Overall rates of circumcision have declined in OZ. However one old nutty doctor in Queensland has been encouraging this barbaric practice for some time now. Hence the rates in Queensland are higher than other states.

“Dr Terry Russell, the ageing Queensland GP who has made a career and a fortune out of amputating the foreskins from baby boys, also seems keen to cut boys’ tongues. In 2004 he was fined and censured by the Commonwealth Professional Services Review of Medicare services for falsely diagnosing “tongue tie” when the boys were brought to be circumcised, and cutting their tongue as well as their penis.”

The guy is a maniacal moron, yet he seems to suck in a few of the country yokels, it would seem.

“The incidence of circumcision tends to be higher where doctors are older and less likely to be up to date with modern medical thinking, or where they come under the influence of powerful circumcision advocates. Tasmania, Western Australia and Victoria have the lowest incidence of circumcision, at around 5 per cent, Queensland has the highest at 20 per cent, and New South Wales the second highest at 15 per cent. Infants born in rural areas are also more likely to be circumcised than those born in a capital city ”

Tasmania’s rate of circumcision, has now dropped to 1% btw…

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fondueguy September 20, 2010 at 15:51

namae nanka September 20, 2010 at 13:34

“When a man loves a woman, he does not give himself, but takes her. When a woman loves a man she gives herself utterly. Utterly? Yet there is one small thing she will never submit –her enjoyment! Thus she keeps for herself what she really values, and gives what is not important to her. His gain is therefore hollow, as she has given nothing. He has been duped, for she has given him sand dressed up as gold. But then . . . she never did promise him anything.”

Wow, that was actually deep and poetic. Did you write that yourself?

The stuff you talk about is why I am extremely suspicious whenever a woman talks about women’s duty to “serve” their men, idealizes motherhood or wives, or gives some high moral praise to men (protector and what not). While all that talk may make men feel like they are on a pedestal that talk is fake and manipulative. Women have always been damn good at looking out for themselves; by no stretch are they passive or submissive to others wants and desires.

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fondueguy September 20, 2010 at 15:55

Shit, I didn’t mean for it to sound like I was supprised you specifically said it. I just didn’t expect to see something so brilliantly poetic.

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fondueguy September 20, 2010 at 16:10

Also I was raised Catholic and in one of my religion classes I was told that the early “church” didn’t start out having problems with masterbation along with non reproductive sex I think. Then some influention guy (I think Augustine) wrote alot about the morality of sex. I do remember being told that the idea behind prohibiting masterbation comes from the idea that life came from the man so wasting it was wrong…

Now we know, along with the church, that life starts at conception with the meeting of two non-living gametes. I have never in my upbringing been told to not masterbate; I don’t think masterbation is a point of concern in the church.

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Amax September 20, 2010 at 16:23

Thank you Cracker, and I know you aren’t the only one who is hoping for a change in the current paradigm and doesn’t want to get their hopes up. My buddy at work has the very same issue and does hope this paradigm ends. Although, I simply can’t see women and the government finding a way out of this situation while continuing to disenfranchise men, they don’t realize it, but they need us, and I also think we as men don’t realize just how much. We all know that the government doesn’t care about men since their goals are met regardless. We also know that women don’t care about men for the very same reason. Both entities are going to push their respective agendas, literally putting the boots on the back of men’s throats and forcing men to make the best choice for themselves and their own survival.

This is the reason why I am so optimistic about this, heck, I can even remember a poster talking asking how the government was going to find the money to pay for yet another Feminist program. If womyn actually created their own wealth like men did, I wouldn’t be here talking to you; I would move the hell out of North America for sure!! However, they can’t but they delude themselves into thinking they can and the Government is using men’s money as well. Sure they can appropriate some for this and that, but putting a fiver where a $50 should go isn’t going to cut it forever, and of course, both the government and feminism are still trying to advance their agenda’s at the public’s expense. If womyn where forward thinking, they may stop, but Feminists aren’t known for that.

We are beginning to see the beginning of the end now, women in school pandering to men simply for companionship, what do you think will happen after school and the dating market is even more diverse? “The New Math on Campus” is simply a microcosm of what women will face very shortly in the world. I don’t know how many posters here are Black, but I can tell you first hand, Black women get P!SSED when even a slightly ambitious black man has anyone else but a black woman by his side. What does this have to do with men in general? How do you think women are going to react when the men in their races also go the same route? Leave the country, fly their wives in, you get the picture, and there is NOTHING they can do about it.

This is what I meant about the changing hands of power.

Quick story;

I’ve got a personal trainer friend who told me this little gem. When he bounced at a club years ago, a girl he thought was skanky approached him. He tried nonchalantly to get her to leave him alone, but she wouldn’t. Finally, she tried to tell him something along the lines that he was lucky that she was even talking to him. He got up real close so she could hear him and said;

“Hun, there are over 1 million more girls in this city I can talk to besides you.”

Women can be replaced for OUR needs. Yes, us guys need women if we want to have babies…..however…..who wants to have those babies….oh yeah, that’s right…THEY DO. WE can live without them, get it? See how this situation begins to really undermine a woman’s interest’s long term? How much wealth does the Black Community produce in comparison to other communities? How successful is the Black Community as a whole? All one has to do is imagine the whole country resembling the black community and that should go a far way in quelling some doubts about the longevity of The Gynocracy. Hanna Rosin is only right about the end of men if men continue to get married and produce, which men aren’t.

Then, we have women, whom I bet money will be the loudest complainers about feminism you will have ever seen. Once they lose this leverage, they will be pissed, remember it isn’t as if they have lost some bargaining chips, by losing this leverage, they are not at a man’s mercy in terms of getting HER needs met. Keep in mind, women have grown to be entitled princesses as of late, imagine how they will feel when they will have to go above and beyond to please a man, and chances are, a substandard one at that? Think Anna Pasternak but on a much larger scale.

Consider it, how happy would you be knowing that you had to drive to work and had no other choice but to buy a Ford Festiva at a Ford GT500 price (remember that article by Novaseeker, it’s already happening)? Just the realization that women no longer hold that sort of sway over men any longer should hit like a freight train even before the bubble bursts on social services. Since women don’t want to take responsibility, and blaming/shaming men isn’t getting them any closer to befriending them, guess who will be vilified for turning their ‘men’ against them?

Give it time, I bet money that as the tide changes, MRA membership will swell with females as the fallout from feminism no longer serves a woman’s purpose.

It’s all about best interests my good man, and what best serves those purposes closer to the collapse for women, and the Government.

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Kathy September 20, 2010 at 16:24

“I don’t think masterbation is a point of concern in the church.”

Yes, it is fondueguy.

The Churches’ stance is, according to the Catholic Catechism:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm2352

“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.”137 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”138

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability. “

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Vasily September 20, 2010 at 17:03

Young women, that is females on the cusp of womanhood, females that recently gained the ability to reproduce, they are valuable to men. If allowed, men would glady marry them. However, the older a female gets, the wiser she becomes, the less valuable she is for marraige. 18 year olds are not valuable for marraige, they are wise, are not sweet, are not virgins. Not good for men to marry them.

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fmz September 20, 2010 at 18:27

The sexual dependence on women goes further than it first appears. If men were to actually stop masturbating, the whole illusory ediffice of Womans pyscho-sexual power upon men would crumble. What women are really excellent at is continually controlling their environment by controlling men. And it rests utterly upon the sexual. But the whole thing is so tenuous and fickle. Our realisation of that is their greatest fear and it keeps them fully engaged in a continual psych-social warfare of lies, deceit and obfuscation.

As usual, women dont see how transparent they really are and if a man quiets himself for long enough and watches and listens it all becomes very obvious. It makes me larf how readily women reveal their ruse.

Again, the power is in and off the individual and the battle is b/w a man and himself.

What really concerns them is being ignored, abandoned, left to their own devices. It also concerns men, yet a man can understand that he is fundamentally alone and can learn to embrace that truth. Women forever lie to themselves and wish to wish away reality.

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piercedhead September 20, 2010 at 18:47

I love this new rating system, where I can skip through all the garbage without even catching a single word of it. Flicking by the skadi comments without being contaminated by any fem-nonsense is a beautiful thing. If only one could do this in real life so easily….hmmm, now that’s got me thinking…

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scatmaster September 20, 2010 at 19:10

Thag Jones it is unfortunately true. She is essentiallly just my roommate.

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scatmaster September 20, 2010 at 19:20

This calls for a Million Men Masturbating march on Warshington.

Ha Ha Uncle Elmer. I chortled over that one.

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 19:21

A couple of points:

Modern RADICAL circumcision is way more severe and damaging than Biblical circumcision (practiced before AD 140). Circumcision was instituted in the US about 100 years ago to prevent masturbation. (It didn’t work). Circumcision affects women too because it created a lot of friction and changes the natural action. Thus it may make orgasm more difficult, artificial lubrication and vibrators more necessary to get her off. As such a woman has less connection to the man and can be way more irritable when left frustrated.

The most offensive part of the O’Donnell video is her use of the “he” pronoun in the last statement. Before that, things seemed balanced and a matter of belief.

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KARMA MRA MGTOW September 20, 2010 at 19:26

Christine O’Donnell – what a w@nker….

HA!

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greyghost September 20, 2010 at 19:50

For those looking for signs of the bubble bursting First one is the state of Missouri this one is interesting. They will now look at cost of prison when doing sentencing for crime http://nyulocal.com/national/2010/09/20/cost-effective-justice-missouri-prison-sentencing-now-considers-price/
next we have California and texas going over government pay. Which is sky high. Talk about a two tiered society.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-06/muni-man-on-800-000-strips-government-pay-veil-commentary-by-joe-mysak.html

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/96564/
This is a story from texas on the pay scales
http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/09/18/2478426_p3/what-dfw-and-texas-public-employees.html
These are few pages on a government out of control. It also shows that the colapse is not going to benefit men at all.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/01/texas-vs-california-exhibits-to-e.html
http://www.examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/prop-19-california-s-legalizing-pot-vote-has-the-dea-up-arms-but-local-officials-support-it
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/10/ab-962-sportsmen.html
I used to live in california and as bad as it is they don’t let go off the dumb shit. That is what amazes me about the wait for the colapse bunch. Power is power and is based on relativity. We’ll all be poor but men will still be second class.

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Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech September 20, 2010 at 19:53

A wise man in the MRA blogosphere (I don’t remember who) said once that the main differences between conservative women and liberal women are 1. Abortion and 2. Debates over the best methods to enslave men.

That was me.

Great point. Apparently, women are unwilling or unable to provide any other value to a man other than a penis-massaging device. Therefore, other penis-massaging devices are “the enemy” in their mind.

There’s are easy ways for women to be better than other penis massaging devices but women refuse to do them.

fondueguy September 20, 2010 at 21:19

“To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability. “”

Notice how it portrays moral culpability and appropriate pastoral “action” (preaching) as being very relative. Its not really a strong stance

The reason I said what I said is because being raised Catholic and going to Catholic school I was never tauggt masterbation was bad. So in practical term I don’t think the church cares.

Not that it really matters but I also think the first paragraph is really just a weak rationalization to stay “in the course of a constant tradition”.

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Herbal Essence September 20, 2010 at 21:27

Pro-Male Anti Feminist- “That was me.”

Oh! Good to know. It’s spot on. I’ve been quoting that for several months now online & offline ;)

“There’s are easy ways for women to be better than other penis massaging devices but women refuse to do them.”

Exactly. I would love to see women step up their game and deliver other concrete benefits besides vaj but they are either unwilling or unable. Probably more the latter…

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Travis September 20, 2010 at 22:05

@Thag,
I’ve been anti-marriage for a while now, but I’d make an exception in your case. You’re awesome. Thanks for giving me hope.

And as far as Skadi goes, has anyone noticed that the threads she posts on usually has anywhere from twice to three times as many comments as the threads she doesn’t? I say let her speak her mind. I disagree with virtually everything she says. (Although I do think that it was pretty funny that her comment that a videogame where the goal is to rape women was “horrible” generated almost twenty negative votes. Come on, guys. Really? I’m about as far from a feminist or white knight as you can get. But even I don’t think rape is cool.)
Anyway, my point is that she stirs up debate and makes the place more interesting. Personally I think it’s good to have someone around to get our blood boiling a bit. Just a bunch of guys preaching to the chior gets a little dull…
There. I said it. Go ahead and bring on the negative votes. But just remember that the next time you respond to one of her posts, you’re actually agreeing with me.

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evilwhitemalempire September 20, 2010 at 22:15

PMAFT
Outstanding article!
Control over men’s sexuality is EXACTLY what feminism is all about.
No telling how many guys out their have been taken to the cleaners by women for no better reason than because they couldn’t find a better way to jack off.

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 22:23

Kathy I got my figures from here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-20/australia-should-reverse-anti-circumcision-stance-to-stop-hiv-study-says.html

so probably they were cherry-picking.

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Kathy September 20, 2010 at 22:45

Call me naive, but this thread is the first time that I had ever heard of a “fleshlight” :D

Ah, well, ya learn something everyday, eh?

Guess that’s why I keep coming back to read the articles at TS (as well as the subsequent comments)

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evilwhitemalempire September 20, 2010 at 23:05

I find it an interesting coincidence that feminism (or at least what is called ‘protofeminism’) got its start in the 1830′s.
This is the same decade that saw the advent of photography (and thus photo realistic porn).

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Anonymous September 20, 2010 at 23:34

T. A. W. wrote:

How silly. Why should they worry at all? Men are not deterred from masturbating, yet they still crave real sex with women. It happens non-stop.

That’s because a ‘lock’ mechanism long ago evolved to keep jacking off from being as sexually satisfying as the real deal. (Otherwise a monkey or ape might well wank itself to extinction.)
However it’s possible to pick this lock.
Everytime a guy pulls out of a girl the frenulum gets pulled tight. (does not happen with ‘conventional’ masturbation)
When this happens a special signal is sent to the limbic brain that tells it that real sex is occuring.

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Snark September 20, 2010 at 23:38

And as far as Skadi goes, has anyone noticed that the threads she posts on usually has anywhere from twice to three times as many comments as the threads she doesn’t?

But that is all derailment. Skadi is dozens of IQ points below everybody else here and cannot be refuted with logic nor remember anything from one post to the next.

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gwallan September 21, 2010 at 01:05

Dear Ms. O’Donnell,

My message to you is the same as my message to those women who believe they can dictate how I pee.

Please keep your prying eyes and your sticky nose and your filthy mind out of my toilet and my bedroom, you pervert.

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Anonymous September 21, 2010 at 05:34

But men are generally more aggressive, more daring and more selfish

How can you call men naturally selfish when throughout our history men have worked more than they needed to to provide for their women and children, the very foundation of human civilization is paternal investment.

Selfishness/narcissism is a feminine trait based around an expectation that others (men) will provide for them, if you see men as selfish now it is only because there is no other way to be unless they like getting royally fucked by the courts.

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kinetic September 21, 2010 at 05:50

The only reason that the church would be against masturbation is because they want to prevent men from:

A: becoming sexualized to early and falling prey to women

and

B: To try and put accross the idea that men should look to higher pursuits than sex (and again, becoming slaves of women).

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Sir_Chancealot September 21, 2010 at 06:25

Gentlemen,

If masturbation feels better than sex, YOU ARE DOING THE SEX PART WRONG! Try opening your mouth and say “bitch, do it like this”. Besides, they’ll like it.

I must note that I read about the first 20 or so “hidden” comments. I thus came to quickly realize that I can trust the judgment of you guys on comments. LOL

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Kinetic September 21, 2010 at 06:26

Another good question is this:

Why do women like clean shaven men, and not bearded men? I think its because women who see a man with a beard know that he is more likely to assert himself (and put woman in her place).

Middle-eastern men have beards, western men shave their facial hair. They must think we’re such a bunch of manginas.

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Renee September 21, 2010 at 07:02

This quote exposes the undercurrent behind anti-masturbation attitudes. It’s not so much anti-masturbation but anti men masturbating. People against masturbation have a fear that men might actually have an alternative to women.

You know. I’m actually kind of surprise about this.

Whenever there’s talk about masturbation in regards to it being taboo, the focus was on women. I’ve always been under the impression that women masturbating for the longest time, has been this……thing that needs not be spoken about, until now. And even today, in fact. I was having a conservation with a guy over at Roissy’s blog who thought that women who masturbate regularly (he defined it as nightly) were sluts.

So there being an anti-men masturbation takes me by surprise, especially if you take in the general belief of men having high sex drives. Are there really now large groups of women who hate the idea of men masturbating?

Namae,

All the while feminist harpies shout about cliterectomy in Africa,
and it isn’t even comparable when you realize that women’s bodies aren’t as sexually localised as men’s and that cirumcision can directly complicate reproductive abilities.

Well the same can be said for female circumcision in regards to childbirth. From looking at drawings of different types of female circumcision, depending on the severity, it can cause real danger to the mother and baby during birth.

Vasily,
I can say alot in reponse to your comment, but something tells me that I’d be wasting my time.

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cracker September 21, 2010 at 10:06

Why do women like clean shaven men, and not bearded men?

I don’t know – personally, I love facial hair. Makes a man look even more masculine.

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Krobelus September 21, 2010 at 10:23

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fondueguy September 21, 2010 at 10:31

The only reason that the church would be against masturbation is because they want to prevent men from:
A: becoming sexualized to early and falling prey to women
and
B: To try and put accross the idea that men should look to higher pursuits than sex (and again, becoming slaves of women).”

To that idea I think full blown abstinence is putting value on sex. I think that completely denying yourself something because you believe you cant control it in measured amounts is giving it too much power. However if you actually succeed in no longer caring much about sex then I would say you have gained control of your sexual drives.

Personally I think its better to just have sex but not put much value on it. I have no problem turning down opportunities for whatever reason, which I am glad for. I think we men should not elevate sex amongst each other (I’m sure some of desire for sex has to do with status), make sure we don’t let women use sex against us, and be more willing to shut down general appraisals to women’s sex appeal. Man I fucking hate sitcoms where women think they can just seduce men regardless of whether their old, the two have already had alot of sex (marriage), or she is just stupid and irritating.

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fondueguy September 21, 2010 at 11:01

Renee September 21, 2010 at 07:02

That’s what the entire media claims, is that there taboos against women. Its bullshit. I was saw Oprah (don’t ask) and dumb bitch was advocating for parents to talk to their daughters about masterbation and buy items for it. When people challenged her she just said double standard blah blah blah. Luckily people from the audience called her on it and said parents DONT buy their boys porn or the like for masterbation. Its men whose sexuality is attacked a being amoral or oppressive. And when men AND women cheat its mostly men who are called out by society and the media not sluty women. Don’t feed me this victim crap.

In the bigger picture sex is being female dominated. Most public/media sex advise is for the women. Its something along the lines please her or empower her. Have you ever noticed that when a Guy doesn’t get it up it is his fault heat when the woman doesn’t orgasim its his fault again. I see that idea conversation and in media (movies, advertisements, advise shows too). This touches upon the problem I have with the status quo; why is sex supposed to be for women too while guys are supposed to do more work in everything that involves sex. If I’m doing the pursuing/work then the sex is more for me and I will focus on what I want. (However there are alot of women doing the pursuing and I could understand them not being passive in bed). I just can’t stand women trying to have it both ways; if you guys like sex then stfu and buy me a drink sometimes.

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Albert September 21, 2010 at 12:34

An interesting correlation is how feminists are also afraid of celibacy and the idea of sexual transmutation. Just look at how feminists are using the mainstream media to try and tear down the idea of celibacy in the catholic church and the idea of sexual transmutation in general among men. Funny thing though that the PUA comunity itself are becoming wise to this idea.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20053

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Skadi September 21, 2010 at 14:41

“In the bigger picture sex is being female dominated. Most public/media sex advise is for the women.”

This is wrong, unequal. The media is dominated by female images. There should be more males on the screen. For every naked female on tv, there should be a male equivalent. There is a male deficit.

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fmz September 21, 2010 at 16:16

God bothering prude says leave it alone. Surprise.

Fark ‘em. Not.

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fondueguy September 21, 2010 at 18:27

September 21, 2010 at 14:41

Current Feminism: complaining about things that don’t make sense, that dont really matter (who cares how many male “bods” there are on tv), and even if discrimination were at playing, which isn’t the case, the discrimination would go both ways.

Women have it both ways on so many levels in the sex world. Freedom to be promiscuous while maintaining victimhood in unbalanced rape laws. Wear sexually revealing/inappropriate attire yet can still complain about sexual comments. Blame men for ed and blame men for women for her not orgasming. And more.

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CM September 21, 2010 at 19:46

I’m currently reading through the bible… The story of Onan is supposed to be anti-masturbation??? I read through that recently – There is absolutely zero mention of anything remotely related to it in that story. Figures that it would be amount to nothing more than another level of control in the matrix.

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Amax September 21, 2010 at 20:19

I’m surprised at how much flak Skadi is getting. I mean, for an online publication that is all about dissenting voices, there’s not that much tolerance for dissenting voices. I think Skadi has largely been remarkably civil and has yet to use any ad hominem attacks or “shaming” language that I’ve seen. In fact, I don’t even think she’s said much that was in disagreement with the article itself, merely explaining the religious basis for opposition against masturbation.

Now you can somewhat identify with how men feel when they comment on feminist blogs about real issues, without being an attention whore that is.

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Amax September 21, 2010 at 20:28

Let’s all remember why men get married in the first place and even my wife asked this question of me not too long ago.

Sex ladies and gentlemen, and that is the predominant reason.

Not children, not the white picket fence with the goodyear swing, SEX!!

IF men can get this need without a woman and the ‘baggage’ that comes with it……then Ms. O’Donnell is indeed correct…which is why womyn are so concerned.

As they should be.

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CM September 21, 2010 at 20:31

On this topic I think is a not so well known but very big deal:

http://www.amazon.com/Function-Orgasm-Discovery-Orgone-Vol/dp/0374502048

Wilhelm Reich, one of Freud students and in my opinion smarter than both Jung and Freud. All MRAs should read that book. Not everything is IMHO 100% as he seems to advocate some (maybe 1 or two?) feminist ideas in it – but nonetheless it will give you great insight.

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Anonymous September 21, 2010 at 20:49

for an online publication that is all about dissenting voices, there’s not that much tolerance for dissenting voices.

F*ck the tolerance. Feminists have all the mass media (radio, TV, press) and ten websites for each MRA website. They have the control of most Universities and great influence about politics and marketing. And they don’t have the slightest tolerance for dissenting voices.

What do we have? A handful of minority websites, viewed only by a handful of men who are surrounded by manginas and white knights. They cannot speak about their ideas even with their most intimate friends and family, lest they are stigmatized. They come to these few websites to vent.

It’s painful when you read these websites and you see the same monikers in every one of them (including mine). Even websites about ass hair fetishism have MUCH more visits than ours.

And even in this minority MRM sites, we cannot have calm, we cannot have tranquility. We have to stand trolls like Skadi repeating once and again the same feminist BS we endure the rest of the day. It is not that we don’t know how to reply to this BS (feminist arguments are same old, same old). It’s that replying to the same cliché once and again gets tiring and distracts us from a meaningful debate.

I usually ignore Skadi and I have been asking for months not to feed the troll. But, even in the MRM, men are usually manginas and cannot help replying a woman. They care about what a woman think, even if she is a woman they don’t know. They try to prove Skadi that she is wrong, as if women were persuaded by logic. Losers.

It speaks volumes about the so-called MRM that only one bitch can disrupt the discussion of all MRM men in a MRM site like this. She doesn’t have to do anything, only to write some BS in a keyboard. She doesn’t have to think anything: only repeat the same feminist clichés. And there is always somebody willing to reply her. As Esther Vilar said, “slavery is the natural state of the man”.

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nothingbutthetruth September 21, 2010 at 20:50

for an online publication that is all about dissenting voices, there’s not that much tolerance for dissenting voices.

F*ck the tolerance. Feminists have all the mass media (radio, TV, press) and ten websites for each MRA website. They have the control of most Universities and great influence about politics and marketing. And they don’t have the slightest tolerance for dissenting voices.

What do we have? A handful of minority websites, viewed only by a handful of men who are surrounded by manginas and white knights. They cannot speak about their ideas even with their most intimate friends and family, lest they are stigmatized. They come to these few websites to vent.

It’s painful when you read these websites and you see the same monikers in every one of them (including mine). Even websites about ass hair fetishism have MUCH more visits than ours.

And even in this minority MRM sites, we cannot have calm, we cannot have tranquility. We have to stand trolls like Skadi repeating once and again the same feminist BS we endure the rest of the day. It is not that we don’t know how to reply to this BS (feminist arguments are same old, same old). It’s that replying to the same cliché once and again gets tiring and distracts us from a meaningful debate.

I usually ignore Skadi and I have been asking for months not to feed the troll. But, even in the MRM, men are usually manginas and cannot help replying a woman. They care about what a woman think, even if she is a woman they don’t know. They try to prove Skadi that she is wrong, as if women were persuaded by logic. Losers.

It speaks volumes about the so-called MRM that only one bitch can disrupt the discussion of all MRM men in a MRM site like this. She doesn’t have to do anything, only to write some BS in a keyboard. She doesn’t have to think anything: only repeat the same feminist clichés. And there is always somebody willing to feed the attention whore.

As Esther Vilar said, “slavery is the natural state of the man”.

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Shawn D September 21, 2010 at 21:20

Kinetic
“Another good question is this:

Why do women like clean shaven men, and not bearded men?”

Who give a fuck what women like? Besides, bitches be crazy because they’re the living definition of cognitive dissonance. Brad Pitt bearded or shaved is still gonna get pussy.

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Anonymous Reader September 22, 2010 at 06:26

I’m currently reading through the bible… The story of Onan is supposed to be anti-masturbation??? I read through that recently – There is absolutely zero mention of anything remotely related to it in that story. Figures that it would be amount to nothing more than another level of control in the matrix.

I actually heard a sermon earlier this year on those verses, and the pastor made clear the issue was Onan disobeying what God had told him to do, not masturbation. It was a remarkable thing.

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Anonymous September 22, 2010 at 06:37

Amax
Let’s all remember why men get married in the first place and even my wife asked this question of me not too long ago.

Sex ladies and gentlemen, and that is the predominant reason.

Well, more or less right. Children matter, because making babies is winning in evolutionary terms. The male reproductive strategy is to try to get as many different women pregnant as possible, in order to maximize his chances of offspring that survive to adulthood. That’s evolutionary biology. Monogamy offers a different deal; a man gets sexual access to one woman, but no other men get access to her, so he in theory can be sure children she bears are his. This means he’s investing more in fewer children. It is a good deal for women, because all his resources are deployed to support her and the children.

However, there is another side to the deal that is monogamy. Since men’s evolutionary strategy “in the wild” is to have as much sexual intercourse with as many different women as he can, that means that in a monogamous relationship in order to keep her side of the deal, the woman agrees to not only as much sex as he wants, but also a variety as well. Nobody wants to eat the same dinner every single night, right? And we surely don’t want to eat a boring dinner every night; hamburgers are fine things, but a dry hamburger on a cold bun with no pickles, letttuce, tomato or even mustard would be boring very quickly.

So here’s the ancient deal of monogamy: a woman gets sole access to the resources of a man, provided he gets sole sexual access to her on a regular basis, and she is an active participant not just a dead fish who lies there. It’s not just about the sex, but the regular sex, and good sex, is a big part of marriage.

This is where I point to: http://www.marriedmansexlife.com/ again…

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sean moor September 22, 2010 at 09:06

This is a great article.and my kind of article.if women ,like o’dunghead,is afraid of men masterbating.then women will be AFRAID of me!!! I LOVE masterbating.though its better to fuck another body. i can pop in a porno and go to town.I dont have to hear my hand talk about stupid shit like,”my sister stole my makeup!!” or ” my mother didnt…” that kinda shit. or put up with her complaining about everything or anything. OR…being accused of rape.it is a wonderful thing.masterbation.if there is anything god got right in this stupid world “he” created.its masterbation.and im glad it scares women.it tells them that they are loosing their pussy power over us. we men dont need all that extra drama.that goes along with their pussy.Thanks for the article

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Skadi September 22, 2010 at 09:08

Today men can easily have sex without getting married.

In many cases, even by marrying a woman does not get “access to a man’s resources”. The woman still has to provide her own resources. This is the predominant model today. Most women do not marry rich men who share their resources with them.

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Skadi September 22, 2010 at 09:12

Yea, women prefer clean shaved (because it looks better kempt and doesn’t rub on the face), but sometimes bearded is nice.. like those playoff beards… so hot and masculine!!

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Anonymous Reader September 22, 2010 at 09:35

Skadi
Today men can easily have sex without getting married.

No kidding? Gosh, no one has ever posted that fact to the Spearhead ever before. ..

In many cases, even by marrying a woman does not get “access to a man’s resources”. The woman still has to provide her own resources. This is the predominant model today. Most women do not marry rich men who share their resources with them.

Skadi, I realize that you are lonely and hungry for attention, but this tiresome attempt at threadjacking is not even new. I can’t tell if you are too stupid to understand an abstract argument, or just so hungry for attention that you’ll tag onto anything.

But it doesn’t matter. You add no value when you babble this way. Understood?

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Skadi September 22, 2010 at 09:55

“No kidding? Gosh, no one has ever posted that fact to the Spearhead ever before. ..”

Yea, but why is he saying that a guy has to get married just to get sex?

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Gunn September 23, 2010 at 01:28

I’m surprised at how much flak Skadi is getting. I mean, for an online publication that is all about dissenting voices, there’s not that much tolerance for dissenting voices. I think Skadi has largely been remarkably civil and has yet to use any ad hominem attacks or “shaming” language that I’ve seen. In fact, I don’t even think she’s said much that was in disagreement with the article itself, merely explaining the religious basis for opposition against masturbation.

If I butt into a conversation in everyday life and try to hijack it by coming out with a completely irrelevant point to the discussion at hand, and which has already been debated by the group and found to be irrefutably false, no matter how polite I am and how much I avoid insulting anyone, everyone else will still see me as a fool and try to disengage from me.

Why would we make an exception for some brainless tart doing it online?

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Kathy September 23, 2010 at 06:11

Skadi is…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJiJkV_rCk

bbbwwwhhhhaaaaaaa!!!

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Amax September 23, 2010 at 10:00

However, there is another side to the deal that is monogamy. Since men’s evolutionary strategy “in the wild” is to have as much sexual intercourse with as many different women as he can, that means that in a monogamous relationship in order to keep her side of the deal, the woman agrees to not only as much sex as he wants, but also a variety as well. Nobody wants to eat the same dinner every single night, right? And we surely don’t want to eat a boring dinner every night; hamburgers are fine things, but a dry hamburger on a cold bun with no pickles, letttuce, tomato or even mustard would be boring very quickly.

So here’s the ancient deal of monogamy: a woman gets sole access to the resources of a man, provided he gets sole sexual access to her on a regular basis, and she is an active participant not just a dead fish who lies there. It’s not just about the sex, but the regular sex, and good sex, is a big part of marriage.

I find this interesting for many reasons so I will do my best not to get horribly snippy. Everything which has been described in this post isn’t another side of the intial pact between the sexes, but simply more details on the very same thing I touched upon.

I state that men like cars, and then I get told that there is another side of the equation, that men like fast cars.

As a man, I already knew that, I just didn’t find the need to state something so obvious especially on a site filled with other men, and some women.

I also find it interesting that you recommend a site about a married man, to yet, another man married man.

If you are a dude, why are you trying to speak about and then expand on painfully obvious?

If you are a woman, why on God’s Green Earth do you think you can educate me on what motivates men whatsoever?

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Anonymous Reader September 23, 2010 at 10:26

Amax
I find this interesting for many reasons so I will do my best not to get horribly snippy. Everything which has been described in this post isn’t another side of the intial pact between the sexes, but simply more details on the very same thing I touched upon.

That’s correct, I chose to expand upon your point for the benefit of any readers that might not know these basic, critical facts. There are plenty of men out there, married and otherwise, who don’t know anything about evo-psych, and they are the worse for it.

I state that men like cars, and then I get told that there is another side of the equation, that men like fast cars.

Right, because I might not be writing for you only, but for a larger audience including any women who don’t know anything about male psychology.

As a man, I already knew that, I just didn’t find the need to state something so obvious especially on a site filled with other men, and some women.

I’ve learned the hard way, both in the working world and the personal world, that there are a whole lot of things quite obvious to me that are not at all obvious to others. Again, there are men reading this who are married and miserable. They need to know that the situation may be repairable, and how to go about doing it. There are women who can’t understand why their man is being so strange after a few years, they need to know why he wants more variety in their sexual experience.

I also find it interesting that you recommend a site about a married man, to yet, another man married man.

Why is that odd? If you want to know how to fix a car, I’ll suggest an experienced mechanic. If you want to write software, I’ll suggest a site run by software hackers. If the issue is male-female relations, then a site that is written by someone with a basic understanding of Game is in order. Married game is different, critically, from single game.

If you are a dude, why are you trying to speak about and then expand on painfully obvious?

Because, my friend, it is not at all painfully obvious to a whole lot of men, and it is terra incognito to all but a few women. That’s why.

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Amax September 23, 2010 at 12:06

I do see the logic behind your approach, although I do think that mincing words like stating there is another side of a topic when speaking about the same one merely adds more information than is necessary, but there isn’t a point in arguing over semantics. As for the rest of your post, sure, I agree, but there is only one issue, women no longer have to learn these things for the reason why you and I are both here.

They don’t care about men’s motivations because they don’t have to any longer. This may just be my opnion, but telling a man that he wants variety in sex is pointless, he already knows that. Telling him that he has every right to have those positions due to what he has given up (or taken on depending on how you look at it) for marriage is what men need to know.

Since you posted about learning the hard way, then you will understand the position about watching your wife gain weight or keeping the bedroom door closed and thinking you can’t say a damn thing about it because to do so is wrong. And while the idea of what men like may or may not be obvious, the reason why men like it has been beaten out of all men while entitlement has been driven into women by our friendly media.

After being told that men are useless, pointless, evil, vulger, violent, dangerous, and destructive, I can’t see the point in expanding on a fact that half the population may know, and the other half can’t be bothered about.

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Amax September 23, 2010 at 12:08

After being told that men are useless, pointless, evil, vulger, violent, dangerous, and destructive, I can’t see the point in expanding on a fact that half the population may know, and the other half can’t be bothered about.

However, that is only my opinion and I did at first think you where a woman as I didn’t see your name at first.

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Richard September 23, 2010 at 15:56

Notice in that youtube video, the man says:
“The bible is clear in that it says any sexual act outside of marriage is forbidden” – or words to that effect.

No exact verse is sited though.

In all fairness, the author of this post does not site a verse either…

I think these are the other 10 commandments – I cannot remember what verse they are in though:

Commandment 11:
Thou shalt not Spank Thine Monkey
Commandment 12:
Thou Shalt not Wax Thy Dolphin
Commandment 13:
Thou Shall not Hammer thine T-Bone
Commandment 14:
Thou Shall not Corral the Tadpoles
Commandment 15:
Thou Shall not Shine ANY Fireman’s Helmets
Commandment 16:
Thou Shall not Rub Thy Magic Lamp to Summon the Genie
Commandment 17:
Thou Shall not Box the One-Eyed Clown
Commandment 18:
Thou Shall not Choke Thine Chicken
Commandment 19:
Thou Shall not Strangle thine Gherkin
Commandment 20:
Thou Shall not Yank thine own Chain.

Gee, I really wish I could remember what verse those are in…

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Richard September 23, 2010 at 16:01

To learn more about masturbation, LISTEN to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruR0ORHvi3A

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evilwhitemalempire September 24, 2010 at 01:52

Is it my imagination or has Skadi posted more on this thread than any other?
If so then why do you suppose?

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Gunslingergregi September 24, 2010 at 06:18

””””Women aren’t interested in ‘quality men’ at the moment due to the fact that even if they choose poorly, their needs are taken care of by and through the government. Understand, in the past making a good and educated choice in a mate was a very important matter for women, there was no social assistance or alimony so essentially, there where no other choices. ”””””””’
lol dude alimony been around in us for over 200 years gonna have define at the moment and in the past a little better.

There was almost never a time when men were not indentured servants in us.

The only time men get equal right is when they raise the kids upon seperation.

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Gunslingergregi September 24, 2010 at 06:21

Hey as a soldier in the field that is all you got is choke the chicken lol

Us doesn’t have the decency to import hookers into the warzone for gi’s.

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woggy September 25, 2010 at 18:15

Ahh…
what’s next?

I know!
Wet dreaming will be next on the shaming list.

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KARMA MRA MGTOW September 26, 2010 at 19:59

Christine O’Donnell….people still wonder why I am an atheist.

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KARMA MRA MGTOW September 26, 2010 at 20:01

Christine O’Donnell what a wanker!

Sorry just could not help that.

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Samvel Arshavir September 29, 2010 at 08:59

Middle-eastern men have beards, western men shave their facial hair. They must think we’re such a bunch of manginas.

I do.

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Anonymous Reader October 1, 2010 at 08:32

Amax
I do see the logic behind your approach, although I do think that mincing words like stating there is another side of a topic when speaking about the same one merely adds more information than is necessary, but there isn’t a point in arguing over semantics. As for the rest of your post, sure, I agree, but there is only one issue, women no longer have to learn these things for the reason why you and I are both here.

Actually, there are women who need to know these things, who would be willing to learn these things, but all the “advice” sources that they have access to can not and/or will not tell them. Look at who writes “advice” columns for newspapers, magazines, online? Women, almost always. There are women who want to get along with their man, not nearly as many as there should be to be sure, but they exist. Seems like every time I see a copy of Cosmo in a store, it’s got “sex tips” in it. I read them, and nod, and sigh, because there’s no overarching reason for doing these things, it’s just “Here’s something that will BLOW YOUR MAN’S MIND!”. All fine and dandy, but it’s like a cooking magazine that doesn’t include any nutritional data…

They don’t care about men’s motivations because they don’t have to any longer. This may just be my opnion, but telling a man that he wants variety in sex is pointless, he already knows that.

Disagree. I know men who are seriously conflicted, because they are bored with their wife but feel guilty because they are convinced for ethical, or practical, or religious reasons that they shouldn’t be cheating or doing porn. They don’t understand their own nature, and for sure their wives ain’t gonna either.

Telling him that he has every right to have those positions due to what he has given up (or taken on depending on how you look at it) for marriage is what men need to know.

Totally agree. But their women need to know it too, and to understand why it is so.

Since you posted about learning the hard way, then you will understand the position about watching your wife gain weight or keeping the bedroom door closed and thinking you can’t say a damn thing about it because to do so is wrong.

I do understand, and while it is easy and rather facile to say “Well, she shouldn’t be allowed to get to that stage”, be it 30+ pounds of weight, or separate beds, or a closed bedroom door, etc. the fact is we men put up with shit far longer than we should, and that makes things more difficult than they should be. Any man going into an LTR should know these things beforehand, in order to bump right back at shit tests immediately rather than let things get out of hand. This is especially true for married men after childbirth; again, I learned the hard way. Not nearly as hard as some, to be sure.

And while the idea of what men like may or may not be obvious, the reason why men like it has been beaten out of all men while entitlement has been driven into women by our friendly media.

After being told that men are useless, pointless, evil, vulger, violent, dangerous, and destructive, I can’t see the point in expanding on a fact that half the population may know, and the other half can’t be bothered about.

So the media is into denegration of men, shaming about our sexual needs and wants, etc. and what else is new? Any man or woman who reads a thread like this, on a site like this, is already self-selected away from the mainstream anyway, but might well not know some of these basic, elementary facts about male psychology. I’m obliged to spell out the obvious, for the benefit of some hypothetical reader(s) I’ll never meet. Because if they don’t read facts like this here, at Spearhead, they might not run across it anywhere else.

Sure, Roissy’s site is a goldmine of information, but I know men who would not read it because they are, as noted above, not prone to cheat for any of several reasons, and Roissy’s mantra is pretty obvious upfront. The fact that Game works in LTR’s needs to be shouted from the rooftops for obvious reasons.

We just have different perspectives. You seem to be saying on the one hand, everyone already knows this (which clearly they don’t) and that no woman is capable of learning or caring about this anyway, which isn’t quite true yet. From my point of view, as stated before, too many men don’t really understand their own evo-psych, nevermind that of women, so there are plenty to need the info. Plus as the never-ending parade of “sex tricks” in women’s magazines shows, there are women who kinda sorta wanna do things to liven up their LTR’s, but don’t really know the why.

Bottom line: again, I’m not writing just for you. Don’t take it personally.

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