[From A Voice for Men]
It might be easy to think that the title to this piece is simple provocation, a tool to inspire people, perhaps mislead them, through sparking an angry reaction or just plain morbid curiosity, into taking a look at what this article is about.
Even though the thrust here is slightly different than the title would imply, there is no deception here at all. The question is serious, and the answer, to be certain, is so clear it need not take an entire article to address.
When is it O.K. to punch your wife? Well, anytime you are defending yourself from her physical attack. You have the right, at that moment, legally and morally, as is explicit in every legal model I know of, to use whatever force is necessary to protect yourself.
Ah, but you really don’t, which is of course the real purpose of this article, and a purpose well worth study and consideration.
You see, the surface answer about self defense only applies in the world of legal theory and the land of ought-ta-be.
In the real world, where we actually live, the preponderance of people, from your friendly neighborhood patriarch to his twin sister the Gloria Steinem clone, see this type of dialog as a reason to go nuclear. In fact, I knew that the title would be provocative precisely because we live in a culture where I am not supposed to even ask such a thing. It’s like asking when it is OK to hunt an endangered species, or steal a senior citizens social security check, or joke about children with cancer.
And people, whether it is women gone insane with the power of the pussy pass, or the men who are in fact the underwriters of those passes, will surely bring their wrath down upon you. They will rush in to scream, “You NEVER hit a woman! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!”
I can just see the bulging veins in their necks, their flushed cheeks, and spittle flying from their mouths.
And of course they are right. A man should never hit a woman.
NEVER.
Not if he knows what is good for him.
It’s not because some women don’t deserve it. Heck, there is many a woman that righteously deserves a foot being broken off in her ass. You read about them a lot these days; women who beat and abuse their partners, who poison them, who hire paid killers to take them out, who shoot and stab and cut their husbands and boyfriends in their sleep, who run them down and kill them in cars, who get other thugs to torture and abuse them.
There are women, and plenty of them, for which a solid ass kicking would be the least that they deserve; where any justice at all would deliver to them the executioners needle. But hey, we can‘t even defend ourselves against them, so it makes perfect sense that they won’t find themselves on the wrong side of the glass window in a death chamber- no matter what they do.
The real question here is not whether these women deserve the business end of a right hook, they obviously do, and some of them deserve one hard enough to leave them in an unconscious, innocuous pile on the ground if it serves to protect the innocent from imminent harm.
The real question is whether men deserve to be able to physically defend themselves from assault when it comes from a woman. Does the concept of self defense even apply to men who are the victims of violent females? Technically, the law says yes. But the people around you, especially the ones with guns, regard the pussy pass as a higher authority.
You hit a woman, even in self defense; indeed if you even call the cops on one that is beating the crap out you, the beta thugs we have come to call police will come round to your house and deliver some fucking law and order- on you.
I know, I just crossed another line. This time that thin blue one. Just like asking when it is alright to punch your wife, I am breaking a social gag order to point at police, rather at what police have become, and speak the truth.
But of course, that is how the police ended up doing what they are doing- by everyone keeping their mouths shut.
I respect the idea of police work very much. I have known many in law enforcement, including members of my family.
I also know that street cops are obliged to follow department policy, no matter how screwed up it is, or face losing their jobs. For that reason alone I have taken a soft line with the police for a long time.
In other words, I have been a part of the problem. I hate those kinds of look-in-the-mirror moments, but there is only one thing you can do with them- freaking fix the problem. And so I am here to start.
If you are willing to keep your job as a police officer by taking an abused man to jail for the sake of department policy or convenience, or even for your job, then you lack the integrity to be a public servant. Please take off your badge and resign. I am sure there are openings in the nearest street gang- where rule by force, not law, is much more your cup of tea.
Or perhaps you like your position a beta male thug enforcer. Perhaps you don’t care who you cuff and cage as long as it gives you a hard on. Either way, I am tired of the public overlooking your actions, and worse, patting you on the back for being morally bankrupt and abusing innocent men.
Lest you think I am being over reactive about just how far the police have gone. Let’s take a look at a case or two.
In Sacramento, California David Woods’s wife Ruth took their young daughters outside in 39 degree temperatures, for seven hours, till their lips were blue and they were borderline hypothermic. After she returned, Woods argued with his wife about her actions, till she grabbed a serrated kitchen knife and stabbed at him. The blade passed through the collar of his shirt and actually gave him a small nick in the flesh of his neck. Apparently unsatisfied, she reared back to stab him again, but this time he hit her in the mouth. She dropped the knife and ran to call 911. Sacramento Sheriffs Deputies arrived at the scene to intervene, drew their guns, and slapped cuffs- on Mr. Woods.
They were preparing to take him to jail, over his protests, but it was the daughters, who insisted that the deputies listen to them (they sure as hell were not listening to him), that finally prevented them from taking their father to jail and leaving them alone with the disturbed and violent mother.
But, they did not take the mother anywhere either. They released Woods from his handcuffs advised him to get her to counseling.
After the incident Woods was quoted as saying, “Now, isn’t that strange? When she had a fat lip it was a felony and I was going to jail. But when they finally realized she tried to stab me in the neck, it stopped being a crime and became a mental health issue.”
Woods is not alone. This sham is passing for good police intervention on family violence in every major city in the country. From L.A. to New York City, police are embracing policies for handling domestic calls that can only be described as politically motivated, simple minded and criminal.
Whatever happens, arrest the guy, unless someone beats you over the head hard enough with the truth that you have no choice but to consider arresting whatever aggressor the evidence points to.
In doing this, our police, with our absolute complicity, have gone from being public servants to public menaces, trampling on victims, enabling criminals- mindlessly obeying department policy to the point that Gestapo references would not be overblown.
Their handling of domestic disputes is part of a massive roll back in civil and constitutional rights and they need to be called to task for it.
Consider the following clip from ABC news that measures reactions of people to seeing a man violently abused by a woman.
Predictably, few people cared at all, one even celebrated the guy getting a beating, and most just decided on their own that he had it coming, but most telling is the cop that walked past this scene doing nothing and later told reporters, “Yeah, if it had been the other way around I would have definitely done something.”
The he excused it by talking about how he was raised, admitted that it was a double standard, but informed us that even being confronted with it was going to change nothing.
“Hey, it is what it is,” he says.
Consider the recent story out of Orlando, Florida, regarding the false rape accusation epidemic. Even in that situation, as reported by police themselves, they do not want to arrest women- simply because they are women. The pussy pass is police issue.
In a recent video posted here from you tube, we got such a clear example of how police -and women- operate, that it is worth using it again for reference here.
Note the basic turn of events. Man angers women. Women attack, verbally and physically. Man refuses to comply. Women call police. Women lie. And lie again. And lie again. And lie again.
Police office treats the man as though he is the problem, going as far as to tell him that he cannot disrespect women.
Any thoughts on what would have happened if this man were not smart enough to film his actions?
And this is what we have, people. From rape allegations to domestic disputes, to civil protests, we have police that are badge wearing, gun toting enforcers of feminist governance. They are either too poorly trained, or too brainwashed or too stupid to realize the socially destructive nature of their actions.
So when is it Ok to punch your wife? Ask David Woods, he’ll tell you. Don’t defend yourself. Don’t expect help. Just run. Forget your property. Forget justice. And get a hotel because there won’t be a safe house.
If you are a man in this culture and you are unfortunate enough to have an altercation with a woman, you know who is coming to take care of things, don’t you?
That’s right, the Sacramento Sherriff’s Department. Or maybe the Orlando police, or maybe that muscle bound cop in the park who would walk past you getting beaten like he was a fry cook instead of a law enforcement officer.
Whoever comes, they are not about the any law except her law, and you will find that out as they put the handcuffs on you and haul your ass to jail for having been stupid enough to expect them to do the right thing.
Let that sink in. Let it sink in any way you like, but I advise you to get it on your way out of her reach, and theirs.
This ain’t no country for men, any more.
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About time. William Norman grigg has a treasure trove of police abuse at his site. You need material, there it is. He also wrote a book called liberty in eclipse. He takes the police to task.
Common identifiers for the most ruthless street gangs are shiny badges and colorful costumes.
Keep at em mr. Elam
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I expect there are some guys that are/were in law enforcement that come to the SH.
I’d be very interested in hearing what they have to say about being the ‘business end’ of feminist jurisprudence.
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Sean Connery on smackin’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FgMLROTqJ0
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Great post, as usual stating truths that need to be heard, but reading the phrase, “…you lack the integrity to be a public servant” caused me to briefly guffaw. Surely that is a concept that hails from ” the land of ‘ought-ta-be.’”!
I think the fewer “public servants” we have, the better off men are.
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Speaking from the military enforcement arm. See comment above. I had to train some of those thugs. Granted it was in bomb disposal, but the attitude was as Paul described.
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This is the blind hypocrisy of western culture again. Im my country, if a woman attacks her partner orhusband and gets wht she deserves, nobody’sd complainig about it. Yes, some keep on trying to push the feminist view about it, but people don’t care.
Let’s say it’s not OK to hit a human being, but sometimes necessary. It’s also not nice to hit a weaker one. But what if he/she is the violent one?
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Good article, good point.
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Perhaps it would be better to avoid Western women (specially in the Anglosphere) and seek normal females:i.e. abroad.
Or better yet: as long as you live is one such (western) country, shun women completely.
Or simply use women for pleasure and then get rid of them.
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You hit a woman, even in self defense; indeed if you even call the cops on one that is beating the crap out you, the beta thugs we have come to call police will come round to your house and deliver some fucking law and order- on you.
I wish I could contradict this, but it’s true. Even if you didn’t lay a finger on her, she assaulted you, and you called the cops…. I know someone with a story like this and he lost his job over it to top it off.
As for that video, it’s usually not a great idea to try to intervene by yourself unless you know what you’re doing. I would probably have done something like that group of women who ended up calling the police. Unfortunately, the police don’t seem to be of much use when it’s the woman being violent.
To be honest, the way that woman was behaving in that scenario compared to the man abusing his girlfriend, I’d be more worried about getting hurt myself by the woman than the man. A woman, I think, is more likely to lash out at everyone than a man is, in most cases. Sorry to say. I’d be afraid I wouldn’t be able to overpower a crazy chick, as a smallish woman myself.
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Sam colt solved the stronger is better problem awhile back. Too bad no one really paid attention.
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the hermit: Where is this utopia?
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Hungary
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You left out one very important group of women who need a boot up the hoo ha, those women who drown their boys and blame it on the nearest black man. Or they shake their babies into brain damage, or they get their thug boytoy to kill the child for them. Well, maybe two groups. The feminists that enable them. I really don’t know which is worse, a woman killing her kids or feminists who enable women to kill their kidsd then lobby on their behalf.
I want to see tribunals for these wretched creatures.
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Precisely why I can’t stand women as coworkers. They will come at you with insults and behavior that no man would dare unless he wanted his ass kicked. Men know when not to cross the line but women will cruise right over it, then withdraw to the safety of their female victimhood and the protection of other males. All the while crowing that they are the equal of any man.
If you have a disagreement with a female coworker and don’t concede she will never forget it and quietly devise some campaign of retaliation. A man will call you an asshole then have a beer with you after work.
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Important article and good previous comments.
Due to this vicious double standard, men need to drop women like a hot potato at the SLIGHTEST sign she is violent or abusive. Even if it is just verbal. If you put up with it, and she escalates, you are going to be in a world of hurt with no means to protect yourself.
I dated a woman for a short time who flew off the handle at me once for no reason. I walked away from her on our date and drove home, leaving her there. You can imagine the horrific phone calls and emails I got afterwards, but I simply told her “I do not put up with abuse, verbal or otherwise, and I don’t ever want to speak to you again.”
That’s the attitude men have to have. Even if she pleads for your forgiveness, buys you gifts, and promises to become your personal sex toy as a means of apology.
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This was the best article I have read on the spearhead or any where else on the net on this subject. It is a subject I try to address when talking to young men. It is very difficult because the kids really beleive the rights and freedom bullshit trumpetted daily. I honestly believe the true reality is too horrible to bare for the normal beta male. No one could have told me how bad being married could be. The truth you described here today Paul could not be told to anyone and believed. It would be seen as an isolated case of abuse by one bad cop. To believe otherwise would make one suicidal. This is the problem the military is having with thier combat veterens. These guys have seen reality down to a base level. God has blessed us with coping skills to allow us to lie to ourselves so we can remain functional to the end. I think combat stress drains that from a guy along with family court.
But what you touched on here today Paul is the reason the MRM gains no traction. This is another reason for a mens studies. Men have to be told the truth. Men need to learn the truth from another man before the fact and not hand cuffed to a stretcher at 3:30 in the morning with a knife wound in his chest.
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Suffice to say, this is really a sad statement on just how “strong and independent” modern women are.
The only reason she is strong and independent is because she is entirely protected and privileged by men.
The modern woman is a little girl sitting on the shoulders of Big Daddy State, poking average men in the eye with a stick.
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This guy has been chronicling exactly what Paul put up since the late 90′s.
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Hmm can’t seem to create teh link. here. http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/
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My grandmother used to say “Never hit a Lady, but remember, if she hits you first, then she is not a Lady”…
I miss grandma’s wisdom sometimes. She was born in 1905, that was a completely different generation.
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True story, you may have had similar experiences.
Uncle Elmer was in the Army decades ago (cue fuzzy dream shot, “Boogie Nights” and “We’re Gonna Turn This Mother Out”).
It was break time and the white guys and black guys were lounging about in their respective groups, as was their custom. Along comes a haughty white female soldier (affectionately referred to as “Cow Pussy” by those who claimed knowledge of such things) who loudly berated one of the big black baffoons for being lazy. Right in front of all his brothers. He rightly told her “Suck out my ass, Bitch”.
Then she turns to the group of us scrawny white punks and said “Are you gonna let him talk to me like that?!”. We just stared back at her stupified.
We lived with these guys, and there were more of them than us. Had an uneasy truce in the barracks and this useless cunt starts trouble and then calls on us to defend her precious honor. Never saw her doing any actual work while we literally were treated like factory slaves.
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Excellent article. The police are NOT on our side.
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Her other quote that I liked was “Walk tall and take up all of the space that God gave you”. I was taller than my peers growing up and tended to slouch, and she hated that. I think she still liked to see children raised up to be “John Wayne” type of me.
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CROCK OF SHIT.
Elmer,
Not much has changed, except white and black get along better
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A game has a prize. A prize is someones property. When you GAME you are the prize.
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This article is epic. I’ll be referencing it for a while for the clear examples of female supremacy, which is all modern feminism is today.
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It isn’t just WRT to women. The police will do what they want when they want to do it.
They will just as soon rape a young woman as they will beat and kill an innocent man. They are punished of course. With a paid vacation. They call it a suspension. The worst are the coward cops. Those whom are otherwise good, but refuse to do anything because of their “jobs”
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Quitting the force is doing something
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When is it OK to Punch your Wife?
–When she is constipated (drum roll)
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There are times when no amount of Game will work, when a woman is simply too psychotic and too out of control. When law enforcement gets involved, it’s Game over.
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To more things I’d like to add:
1. Phrases like “Are you gonna let him talk to me like that?!” and “Are you gonna let him treat me like that?!” need to be eliminated from female vernacular.
2. Game can indeed prevent men from falling victim to such instances by teaching them to qualify women so not to end up with these nutters in the first place. Also, by not tolerating the preliminary “bad things” that leads to such physical altercations in the early stages they can preempt it from going this far. Someone above mentioned he left a date and told her he doesn’t tolerate abuse, verbal or otherwise, and stuck to his guns. I guarantee you that if he gave her a second chance she’d never attempt such a stunt, or at least wouldn’t test him for a good while. It’s about keeping their actions in check.
In summary, Game provides two avenues for preventing men from being victimized by women as described in the article by setting standards of behavior and being able to discern which women meet the bar the man sets. Men today have terrible skills when it comes to qualifying women.
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Great article Paul.
I both admire the libertarian principle of non-aggression with a stout dose of self-defense and that you dared to broach the thin-blue-line.
As Migu has noted Will Grigg (a favorite blogger who lives in this region) has been doing this for many years. I also second Migu’s observation that Samuel Colt solved this problem for us already. A couple weeks ago just a few miles down the road from me a woman stabbed her estranged husband (family law in action again) and he did society a favor and put a couple rounds in her – she won’t be stabbing anyone again. After they had him stitched up for the stab wound he found himself behind bars – clear cut self-defense except that it was a woman who assumed ambient temperature.
Women shouldn’t be able to hide behind ‘the law’ – once that situation breaks down the tide will begin to turn.
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Had another memorable incident one week before my discharge. I was really trying to keep a low profile so I could get the hell out of there. Was placed in a holding company before release.
Was assigned to ride around with some chick who’s job apparently was to simply drive around and pick up small parts and papers. Fine, just sat in the passenger seat and minded my own, not at all interested in this broad. She stops at a motor pool and starts talking to some guy, who turns to me and starts in with the chickenshit insults. I ignored him. He ratches up the insults and I say “whatever”. Just wanted out of the Army and was not interested in brig time for kicking the crap out of some asshole. This was daily shit in the Army.
We drive away. She asks “You’re just gonna let someone talk to you like that?”.
Unbelievable. She is happy to see two guys fight over her, and I had absolutely no interest in her in the first place. And I was walking a fine line between getting out and getting tossed in the brig.
While the two of you are rolling around in the dirt trading punches, she will walk off with some other player, probably an Afro guy or a flamboyant poofter.
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Game is indeed a preventive measure. There are still plenty of suckers thinking they have em all figured out. Game is popular, women love popular stuff. You think they don’t know as much as you about it?
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Funny old Mad Magazine cartoon.
Two guys are at the beach facing off over some female.
She cries out “Guys, stop it! I’m not worth it!”
One guy says t o the other “Hey, you know what?”
Other guy says “Yeah, she’s right!”. They walk off together, buddies.
She looks crestfallen.
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What did you have a ton of article 34′s threatened?
I was threatened for insubordination a number of times. Of course when you get the job done no one follows through
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Also, how many men fell in love with one of their games, and gave a copy of the mystery method to their loves? How many, I bet one, and the telewoman is the greatest communication device known to man, better than even the internet in terms of spreading information far and wide.
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You think the NAWALTS that know, aren’t telling the clueless about game? The game is the womans central focus in life. She is born to play it. And you gamers think you have em. They already know, it is their innate talent to let you believe it is o.
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To make you believe it so
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Man I’m out of practice. It is their innate talent to let you believe you are in control while controlling you.
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I don’t know if that knowledge actually helps that much. I know a lot about Game, but it still works on me. It’s a form of rhetoric. Rhetoric works even if you have studied it extensively. In fact, studying it just gives you a greater appreciation for a good practitioner. The effect is largely instinctive, and if you are aware of how difficult an art it is, you will end up even more impressed than otherwise. That will incline you favorably toward the speaker, and strengthen their argument.
The knowledge, in other words, is largely self-defeating because you have the same goal (getting laid). If the woman is healthy and fertile, then you don’t have to convince her to want to have sex. You just have to convince her to have sex with you. She already wants sex, so the argument is a slight one: remove her inhibitions.
Anti-game has more to do with reducing physical proximity and practicing virtue (like chastity). As soon as you engage with someone using Game, you’ve weakened your position. It’s better just to avoid them completely. People used to know that, which is why the sexes were often segregated outside of the family.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Game, you have to be kidding, right?
We think Sharia Law is so terrible. The law in this country is far worse. Women literally have licence to kill men in their sleep.
Why do you think the moslem world is afraid of us? Because we bomb and kill them? No, it’s because they don’t want to lose their families to feminism.
How could a man in this country ever go to bed knowing the person next to them knows that killing him has no consequences?
The law in this country is far worse than Sharia ever was. Men walk around in mental Burka’s in the US.
But, as pussy is an all consuming passion for young men, have at it.
But don’t fool yourselves that you can Game your way out of it.
Any female in your life, that knows where you live can kill you at any time and there will be no consequences.
Think about that, think long and hard before you let any woman know your address, much less move in with you.
If you must commingle with a female, do it at her place, do not give her your real name or address, flush the condom yourself, watch it disappear, then leave, do not wait till the morning, do not fall asleep and be at her mercy, she has none.
Us older guys can tell you younger guys whats up but your hormones will betray you.
This is no country for men, again, this is no country for men.
Besides there aren’t any jobs here anyway.
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@thehermit: Don’t forget that Hungary was an actual counterexample to Paul Elam’s “every legal model he knows of: … to use whatever force is necessary to protect yourself…”!
According to relevant law you only had the right to use force that was not disproportionate to the force that had been used against you.
This meant that you would have faced conviction in MOST self-defense situations, especially against a female opponent.
That was some years ago.
Things have improved, but it’s still no utopia.
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It doesn’t help anything. That is the point. Game is stupid. You enter into a game instead of living a life, and attempting to establish a genetic legacy.
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The cold hard truth singledad. That is the way it is. A woman can kill you with impunity. They don’t all know it right away, but they all do figure it out. Good call.
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“The real question here is not whether these women deserve the business end of a right hook, they obviously do,”
Just wanted to say thanks for saying this.
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Game will make her less likely to toy with you, but it is not a “prevention.”
There is no 100% prevention, even if you are celibate and only talk to women at work.
Be absolutely 100% unforgiving at the first sign she’s taken her crazy pills. Get out your pocket camcorder if she is escalating and just walk away.
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I remember one guy, who was mistreated by wife badly. My father let him sleep in spare bed, he sometimes slept in the car. She beat him with a cast iron frying pan on several occasion. Almost shot him twice with a shotgun. Heck, when he was getting some wood, felling some trees for tinder, he made unfortunate move in bringing her along. It was minus 31 degrees Celsius. She took the snowmobile (ski-doo) and left him there to freeze. No axe, no back pack, hell she even took his parka. Just left him there to die.
bear in mind, the violent act took in an Indian Reserve in the mid 90s. As a child, I clearly understood then that evil women existed. She can be your mother, your sister and your neighbour. I had a good sense in not getting into relationships with females.
If it weren’t for my father he be dead. after he was rescued by the local townspeople. they checked him to the local hospital. he was barely alive at the time. Quite frankly I am amazed that he survived more than three days. Anyways the second time she swung that cast iron fry pan. He just smacked her in the face. “Try that again”
I didn’t blame him, considering that the shit-excuse of his wife put him through.
If it happen to today, the men will say he’ll be fine. And no one would rescue him. No rescue team, no nothing. of which would seal unfortunate victim’s fate.
So to answer your question. When is it ok to punch your wife.
When it comes to staying alive. I would say yes. To subdue her.
Modern law doesn’t care about men, or women in general. they became thugs, behind the law. When a small child is beaten to death, it’s the child’s fault, not the mother’s. And women look upon that child as a evil thing. That’s how modern feminism works. The evil of feminism.
I noted that some women are ecstatic when a man or child get’s beaten by a woman.
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Single dad you have a point. A woman can kill with impunity. Most women know it. The femminist made it that way. The rest of the women will learn it as they go. And as the good cops watch as the thug beats the hell out of someone, the actual members of the NAWALT crowd sit back and watch. Then vote in another politician to expand cause for killing a sleeping man or getting rid of a child in the name of equality for women.
All this talk about game is misplaced. Game is not a solution or a way to survive a world of misandry. Game is just a solution to a problem of getting a man past his sex drive. With out it a woman is completely worthless. I will say again, without the male sex drive women are completely worthless to the point of being a burden to be gotten rid of. The femminist know this and is the elephant in the femminist room.
Sometimes I wonder if the MRA efforts would be better spent on science and developing a male birth control pill and an artificial womb. Make an exclusive class of beta males with families insulated from the system. Let game get them past the high hormone years and the pill to keep him free and a womb to take care of the desire for a family. first 100 million dollar athlete not paying child support will sell that like hot cakes.
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Alpha of the week?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/your-money/04money.html
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I’m not talkin’ about the law, but about people’s attitude.
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Another good article, Mr. E . Clear concepts made clearer by the fine writing. Articles, such as this will lead to change.
This article was forwarded to over a dozen contacts with many having direct experience with the state’s interference in domestics. An interference which actually made matters worse for all.
Feminista-ized women have manipulated the state to intervene in many cases where intervention is mostly not required. Organized surveys and studies report that DV, mutual or single aggressor engagement, apparantly is contained to a minority of the population. One particular investigation revealed that the poor, deprived and unemployed were likely to be aggressors – ‘Alcohal Consumption, Alcohal Abuse, Personality, and Female Perpetrated Spouse Abuse’: Journal of Personality and Individual Differences 13(2) 1992.
Centuries of legal tradition leading to concepts of due process and presumption of innocence flushed away in 1 decade by the meddling of an overly hyperbolized tax-funded, fact twisting, sex-based social revisionist movement. Mandatory arrest of only men became the norm with many subsequently held in remand in large numbers. People from different areas of the world know this too well.
Mentioning how to legally handle unruly and weapons based attacks will continue being useful.
Quick anecdote: close to 20 years ago local men’s group is joined by an older man in his eighties. Arrested by the local detachment on the sole word of one individual. His case entered the system where eventually he lost much of what he had worked for – reputation, home, assets, pension. He reported to having been removed from his home twice in his life. Once by the Gestapo and once by the police of this area. The difference, he said, was that the Gestapo allowed him to pack a suitcase before being forcefully vacated. The stress factor from numerous entanglements with the system led this man to an earlier grave. Nice, huh.
Some people may express themselves verbally in undiplomatic terms after reading this article, Mr. E . Perhaps the least we could do is raise a hearty pen in your defense when necessary.
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Very brave posting, Mr Elam. Heartfelt, however, which makes it valid and laudable.
We need to network better. Men aren’t wired to group together in something not traditionally male. So debunking shaming tactics by our opponents is a great first step.
You are like me so you can appreciate that once one has found his truth, then no amount of intimidation matters, and we eventually grow comfortable with the isolation. Which brings me back to the need to network.
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Migu- “She is born to play it. And you gamers think you have em. They already know”
So, is what you are saying is that, since women are already hip to Game, the AFCs out there should not educate themselves and just keep cluelessly bumbling along?
I am very well aware of female “game”, such as high heels, eye makeup, and push-up bras. I know she is unlikely to look the same Saturday morning as she looked Friday night. By your measure, I should find none of this attractive, since I know what they’re up to.
Attraction is not a choice. It doesn’t matter whether a woman knows about game.
It is not magic that will protect a man from all harm, but it can be very useful for many purposes. Feel free to keep bumbling along.
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I clicked on a thumb-up basis your comments above.
And in total agreement with net-working (that is, with those on the same page).
I do not think that there has been a social or political movement alive free of disagreement or split purpose. But, at the very least, those in the mrm could easily agree upon several noticable areas for cohesion. Some areas might be:
Similar representation as a group (men/boys) ; Come divorce or separation -reforms (or elimination) of alimony , care of children , division of assets/debt;
prosecution for false accusations ; dismissal of mandatory arrest procedures and impliment fully informed discretion policies in domestics ; elimination of female favouring affirm.action/ employ.equity programs ; full investigation and consequential accountability for feminist research (OK, maybe not this one – this is my peeve).
Anyway, you get the idea.
But networking (also away from inter-web) in one’s community is highly recommended by this writer.
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Yeah, I still advocate men learning Game but don’t expect it to protect you from violent psycho women.
I’m wondering what would happen if men started refusing any conversation with a woman being argumentative. Maybe with a comment like “You’re raping me emotionally, and I don’t have any tolerance for rape.”
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violent psycho women
The crux of the matter.
This type of women happily commits abuse under the umbrella of the feminist ideology that all women are perfect.
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I meant it was a preventive measure for women/feminists. Same story different GAME. They let you think you are the “MAN” With Game feminists have nothing to worry about, just more putty to mold.
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It was the same for 1.0 minus one key aspect. The man can no longer say “NO” Most of the time though, the man did what she told him to do if it was reasonable in his mind.
She had to learn reason to get what she wanted, all she has to do now is cry “rape”
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“The man can no longer say “NO””
Really? I’m a man. I say NO all the time. You might want to try it. See how it feels. Start with saying NO to a little girl, then a teenager, and work yourself up to saying NO to a grown woman. You might be surprised at how easy it is.
While a lot of women are, on some level, aware of their societal privileges vis-a-vis violence by proxy and legal entitlements (e.g., ability commit violence or to make false accusations with impunity), I think they are also aware that men are much bigger and stronger and could probably beat the holy crap out of them. Not that I am endorsing such behavior, but as more men realize that they have no legal protection from violent women, they will understand that (generally disfavored) self-help is their only option. And, as we’ve seen recently, in for a penny- in for a pound. It matters not whether he merely grabs her wrists to keep her from scratching his eyes out or beats her head in- he will be charged. Eventually, a man will over react, which will delight the feminists but be a tragedy for the individual woman. Young men seem to be copping onto this to a substantial degree.
This is why I’m in the MRM. I do not want my daughters to pay the price for the excesses of old feminists. The women my age who went along with the feminist movement- I couldn’t care less about them.
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EXACTLY.
If you’re going to get arrested for taking a knife off a woman who was wielding it at you, you may as well get in a few kidney jabs before the cops arrive.
If anybody finds this objectionable, I must ask them: why shouldn’t a man do this?
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Not only will it not increase his punishment, it may also be the only justice he gets – particularly since female criminals are now officially given milder sentences than men (in the UK).
So, what is a man’s interest in not doing as I described? What does he gain from not doing it? That is what anybody who finds my comments objectionable must answer.
Disclaimer: Snark does not advocate violence.
This is a discussion about ethics and the right to self-defence.
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How many of us would have been a lot less screwed up if our dads had the nerve to smack our moms when they got out of hand? My mom is a really intense, dark, morbid person when she gets in a particular mood and it made me a nervous wreck much of my childhood. She was one who thought I should act more or less like a girl so when I was a typical rowdy boy she’d get all upset. I got spanked a lot. There was no pleasing her, she just needed a smack and to be told to shut the hell up.
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Anon: why not just carry some pepper spray and spray violent females? She pulled a knife so I sprayed her in self defence. In fact, carry an extra knife on you
) Then call 911
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“The femminist made it that way. ”
Feminists didn’t invent White Knights and manginas. They just found them lying around ready to be used.
Mary Winkler got away with murder in Tennessee, hardly a haven a of liberal weeniness, and it was a jury of snuff-dippin’ good ole boy manginas that let her off.
Kill chivalry.
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Single Dad,..
I gotta admit you are right. It is sad but its a piece truth we cant deny !!!
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In the spirit of William N. Grigg, I’m rigging up a Flip video camera and getting into some of this myself. I WELCOME confrontation.
Front page of USA Today today on latest gender equal pay statistics.
Still feeling oppressed grrls?
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From the USA Today article: “”It’s not good news for women to have men making poor economic progress,” says Carrie Lukas at the Independent Women’s Forum. “This isn’t a gender war. If men lose, that doesn’t mean that women win.””
Seems some mule skinners are getting concerned about the health of their pack mules.
Dear Ms. Lukas- Tag! You’re IT! The statistic these women should be most concerned about is the marriage rate, which is really, really low (it has some weird metric, like number of marriages per year per 1000 single women between age1 and age2). Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle within your lifetime grrrrls.
While women are kicking a$$ becoming doctors and lawyers and such, their average career lengths have historically been very short compared to similarly situated men, as many women used their job status to hook a high-earning chump and then quit working. I predict that the average career length of such women will increase as traditional options dwindle. Add to that the historical habits of over-shopping and self-indulgence, and many will be locked into careers well outside of their comfort zone.
I was pleased to see the link (either above or in another thread) about the young man who broke off his engagement when he found out how much educational debt his fiancée owed. As more women are faced with the prospect of paying such debts off on their own, I further predict a declining enthusiasm for professional schools.
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Very strong point Snark.
As with all things as far as men are concerned, if you want something for yourself you must work for it yourself – no-one’s going to hand it to you. Receiving justice is no exception.
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Same reason a woman shouldn’t: because it’s unethical. You’re only supposed to use enough violence to protect yourself or others. Once it becomes a case of using further violence for vengeance (after your opponent has been rendered defenseless), you’re pushing the limits of morality. That said, going apeshit on someone because she pulled a knife on you, would be something most reasonable people would turn a blind eye to, out of sympathy.
In all honesty, I had a similar thought recently. My cousin smacked his cheating wife and got arrested and imprisoned. I remember thinking, “Well, if they were going to lock you up, anyway, you might has well have broken her nose while you were at it.” A bit of a slap hardly seemed worth the bother of getting arrested. It wasn’t even a very hard slap.
Not really. We’re raised on female ninja movies, Tomb Raider, and G.I. Jane. I had absolutely no clue that men were as strong as they are until I was confronted with it in a very scary moment. I still forget sometimes.
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that many of us don’t have older brothers anymore, due to smaller family sizes?
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Anonymous says: “Feminists didn’t invent White Knights and manginas. They just found them lying around ready to be used. Kill chivalry.”
Yes! Speaking personally, chivalrous instincts die hard but after there’s no turning back.
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Joe Schmoe that was an awesome article. I myself got stuck with 13k. That dumb ass is going to marry that cunt and she is going to get knocked up within days and stick that guy in the ass with that debt.
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let’s see you try and take a knife to the gut
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cmb: so you don’t think a big burly young dyke can injure a slim 60yo man?
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Now that was a big time troll. Ha ha ha ha. you fuckin pussies.
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@TheRookie:
“But with some GAME these guys wouldn’t find themselves in positions of victimhood.”
Man, you really ARE a Rookie, aren’t you?
In other words, like the typical AMATEUR that you are, you are blaming the innocent men for their predicament. You are blaming the victim.
“Oh, he didn’t have Game, so he got what was coming to him.”
That’s exactly what a false rape accuser uses to justify her accusation.
“Oh, he didn’t properly seduce me like a REAL man, so he must’ve taken advantage of me somehow! He deserves to go to prison for violating me!”
Get off our MRM, you mangina traitor!
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They do it by stealth cmb.
Imagine you’re watching TV. A woman creeps up from behind with a golf club, and takes a swing with all her feeble little might. She might not be able to do anywhere near the damage a man could do with the same club, or with his bare hands for that matter, but she’ll take out your teeth, break a jaw and knock you semi-unconscious.
Then when word gets out that a little woman did that to you, guys just like you will laugh their heads off. Police won’t treat it as a felony. Judges aren’t interested. The media is silent.
So what’s the bet you’ll pretend you fell down the stairs and landed on the club, or that the car accident you had on the front lawn at 5 mph, caused by you passing in and out of consciousness, did all that damage to you?
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I called the cops on my wife a while back. I think she has been suffering from depression, which is now lifting. When the police arrived, I half expected to be hauled off to the watch house, but it was my wife who nearly went. The police treated me fairly on that occasion. There were two male cops and a female. Maybe things are different here in Australia, but I think the cops really know the score on these issues.
Game has worked marvels in my marriage. As the guy above said, a man can analyse and intellectualise and be self-aware, but a nice pair of legs will always do it for him. Same with a woman. You can play a woman like a violin with good game. My wife doesn’t like sucking my cock as foreplay, but I get her to do it regularly now with game.
I cannot believe that women are silly enough to watch GI Jane and imagine that they are not hugely weaker than men. My wife is not a small girl, but I could kill her easily with my bare hands. She doesn’t seem to have an intuitive understanding of this. I sometimes think women just don’t understand physical reality very well.
Blokes could always try a spanking. A woman would probably not be too keen to have to testify to and report on a bare-bottomed over the knee spanking. Making the physical punishment harmless but humilating might be the way to go. Or take a leaf out of many wives’s books, and say something really embarrassing in public.
If you can’t outsmart a woman, don’t get married.
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The problem with this article is that it is incomplete.
Self-defense is NOT the only case where hitting a woman is justified.
Women also deserve to get hit when they get mouthy, and insult men out of malice.
The only reason men shouldn’t hit women today is the law. But this western idea that “you shouldn’t hit a woman” is just sheer nonsense. Women — especially Anglo women today– are supremely deserving of getting hit, and not just in self-defense.
As a matter of fact, it is MALE PHYSICAL FORCE that ultimately restrains and disciplines women, ensuring proper, respectful behavior from them.
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@ Paul Elam
“And this is what we have, people. From rape allegations to domestic disputes, to civil protests, we have police that are badge wearing, gun toting enforcers of feminist governance.
“If you are a man in this culture and you are unfortunate enough to have an altercation with a woman, you know who is coming to take care of things, don’t you?”
D we need more evidence that men are the new “niggas”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM
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@Avenger
Never, I repeat never, call 911. You will get a first-hand dose of feminism by proxy. Reliance on 1911 is far more reliable.
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I dialled 000 (Australia’s equivalent) because my wife was using a sledgehammer on our bedroom door. I had locked her out. I was worried about the kids. I had no alternative. She had waved a knife at me for about an hour before that (I do not exaggerate). I could handle the knife in my face, but once a woman starts trying to use a serious tool, everybody had better duck!
It all worked out because the cops only saw the damaged door and she would have spent a night in jail except that I chose not to press charges. She was also told to spend 24 hrs away from the home. She disobeyed this police instruction and came back to the home. She really wanted to get back with me. I made a point of putting her in her place though. I made her kneel and suck my cock in reparation; and also spanked her and made her kneel bare-arsed in a chair for a while.
Women can be handled. Men have to get smart. Do things that will humble the woman without risk to yourself. Humiliate, don’t injure.
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“When the police arrived, I half expected to be hauled off to the watch house”
A vindictive ex had the nerve to change the locks to “our” pad so i climbed up and through the window to the surprise of her and the enablers. Once the screaming banshees fled the premises i knew i had to move quickly for reason i need not explaining to you gents. The first order of business was to procure the lease and my passport which i could’nt do quick enough when the law came in @ her behest. The kicker is one of the officers was a woman so my ex thought the obligatory beat down was imminent. Only to her dismay after brandishing the lease and id the woman officer asked her to leave so i could gather my belongings. To add insult to injury i intentionally asked the officer for a card in front of nut bitch stating i want to have a police escort when i return for rest of my belongings. She obliged. I so want to say that i learned my lesson but my dumbass made the same mistake twice removed. I was fortunate one was concerned for her safety in my neighbourhood and was duly robbed at knife point for her ipod after i made it clear to her that it was’nt a good idea stroll about oblivious with the ubiquitous white ear buds.
Now the old cunts in my hood are questioning my sexuality because it’s been a while since they’ve seen me brought home some new pussy. Not gonna waste my time and explain that’s what motels and the back seat of my car is for.
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Police are Unconstitutional
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2007,0709-roots.shtm
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3D- That was a joke but actually the pepper spray is a good idea.
and btw, the people where I live don’t call 911. They don’t even like cops patrolling the streets because it doesn’t look good in a wealthy area. I can never recall ever seeing a cop come to a house anywhere I have lived.
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@Migu
But how could that be? Everyone who watches our historically accurate tv and film knows that they were all a bunch of miserable oppressed wenches for thousands of years before finally deciding to do something about it.
Surely the patriarchy was …. well … the patriarchy!
Right?
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Hello,
after this lot of comments, it seems there is left very few to add.
I would anyway add my congratulations for the courage about speaking the truth about the uniforms.
Police is the sole point of contact between state and citizens. They force us any convenient (for them) behavior, from pathetic speed limits to being defenseless from crime. They are the force extorting us the tax money.
This said, I agree with many points above:
- as the story of Raoul Moat shows, a man wth nothing to lose can do extraordinary things. Cops would think twice before getting the pleasure of tormenting an innocent man.
- if a man is going to be thrown in jail just for blinking at a woman, there is not refrain to going further and finish her – if it is true there is excessive self defense, it is also true finishing a crazy female could save the health or life of successive, weaker men who could face her in the future.
- there are 2 sides in sites like this. Primarily, a news site, just to raise awareness about the male population in the Western world. But sometimes, a second, more pratical aspect emerges: for example, the article about that movie of the stupid woman going to India. A practical advice about what movie not to buy ticket of.
It would be nice expand this second way to inform, with pratical advice, like self defense, weapons, martial arts, legal awareness, and so. Besides, Game is really pratical.
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Not really. We’re raised on female ninja movies, Tomb Raider, and G.I. Jane. I had absolutely no clue that men were as strong as they are until I was confronted with it in a very scary moment. I still forget sometimes.
Females are gullible, and that certainly plays a role – as a matter of fact, feminism itself would have been debunked long ago, by WOMEN, if they were not so gullible.
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that many of us don’t have older brothers anymore, due to smaller family sizes?
Ehhh, maybe.
It could just be that once a boy grows into puberty, and fighting begins to produce injuries, he himself begins to dislike physical confrontation. That’s one reason men are actually more diplomatic than women….
I certainly would get no feeling of self-affirmation to see two human beings damage one another over me, and I certainly wouldn’t want to start a fight in which I would only be a spectator, rather than a combatant.
Women-even “good” women-seem to be totally in the dark as to what is “fightin’ talk”, let alone what it feels like to take a good shot to the jaw, or how “not empowering” it feels to be forced to injure another person in self-defense .
Frankly, we, as parents and society, err when we instruct children that “boys don’t hit girls”-better to say we don’t hit anyone unless in self-defense.
I believe that the strength of the average man (or even a young teenage boy) would no longer be some underestimated quantity on the part of certain grrrls once they saw fit to assault a young man. No “pussy pass”.
Another factor?
Women, today, rarely see, with their own eyes, a man doing “mens work”. They never laid their hand to a plow, never sawed a log- they never see a man doing back breaking work, let alone try it themselves.
If they did, they’d know-without stsrting a fight.
What do they get instead?
They get fed this pablum- being a secretary or a nurse is just as hard for you as it is for a man to be a (name your favorite, dangerous, male dragonslayer occupation).
Just another example of misandrist under-appreciation of everything about men: our bodies, our minds, our pride.
Ooops, I forgot the paycheck.
That they want.
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Women simply crumple if you stand up to them. My wife and I started having a serious disagreement tonight. I applied some forceful logic and did not back down. She simply capitulated. It was weird.
Do not back down. Women only respect power.
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Anonymous,
“This is why I’m in the MRM. I do not want my daughters to pay the price for the excesses of old feminists. The women my age who went along with the feminist movement- I couldn’t care less about them.”
Oh, the sentimentalism. There’s a fair chance your daughters are de facto going along with it as well.
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Sure I can so NO. I can also murder my neighbor. I can set fire to a gas station. I can rob a bank. Wonder why I don’t do those things?
I will concede one point. A man can still say no to marriage and/or a relationship. Once he’s in though. NO can and usually does mean there will be legal consequences comparable to what a murderer (male one) can expect.
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It’s a sexual power struggle as old as time itself. Women resist being dominated, but she is only truly happy with a man who dominates her. In the US, women are more “free” from domination than ever and they have never been more miserable.
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Patriarchy?? That old theory. It’s taken on many versions. Illuminati, Alien Butt Secks, Lizard people under the earth, Jews lay eggs etc……
Yeah, if you believe the women’s studies version of “Patriarchy” It’s pretty easy to also believe in Alien Butt Secks. The same lines of sophistry are employed.
According to women, men were somehow oppressors with the power of god at their beck and call. What’s more. The only used that power for “rape, and destruction” You see how Alien Butt Secks fits in?
Patriarchy-The myth that men are gods and enslave women.
Feminism-The religion that evolved around the myth of patriarchy
Feminist-The priests, priestesses, and their flocks who attend this church.
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Yeah, that might have been it with me. My father was in the Army, but I never actually saw him doing anything particularly difficult. He’d just come home in his uniform, change, and then eat dinner. Sometimes he’d mow the lawn, or something. That was about it.
Then I joined JROTC and we’d go out and do exercises in the desert. I cried from exhaustion and misery the first night. The guys were running around, setting up tents, starting fires, etc. like nothing had even happened. Amazing. I was good at recon, but I slowed down the team. I helped us win, but they guys were always stuck helping me with my pack (those things are freaking heavy!) or waiting for me to catch up. I think I was net-neutral. At least, I like to think that.
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David Woods was discriminated against. I’m sure he has his reasons but if I was him I’d sue the Sacramento police dept for sex discrimination as well as dump the abusive wife. The only way the wuss police are going to stop protecting female domestic abusers is if they get sued over and over.
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@ Alte,
“Same reason a woman shouldn’t: because it’s unethical.”
In response to my question of why SHOULDN’T a man punch a woman if he’s going to be arrested for disarming her, and this may be his only chance at getting justice.
Tell me, Alte: do you truly believe that facilitating justice is unethical?
Do you consider that the ethical option is the one which avoids delivering justice, when the option was also there to deliver justice?
You are not thinking of the third player here: the state, which shall act unethically on the woman’s behalf, who also acts unethically, and together they shall deprive you of justice after you have been abused.
What you are saying, is that any option which pulls away from this state of affairs – and comes closer to the justice which should be delivered – is unethical.
And, presumably, the corollary is that simply going along with the unethical treatment you receive from the woman and the state, which assists in their unethical treatment, and makes no attempt to approach justice – is the ethical choice.
A strange ethics you have.
Is your justice then based on something other than ethics?
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I disagree; I don’t think self-defence is the only ethical use of violence.
What about, for instance, deterrence?
Retribution? Which is vengeance by another name, and by yet more names, it is called just deserts, or karma, or restoring moral balance to the universe.
Both of these require the use of violence; your ethics seems to imply that if a person commits a terrible crime, if it can be proven that he could not commit the crime again, he should not be punished for it.
Or that nobody should be punished for non-violent crimes, such as fraud.
After all, when people are punished and imprisoned for fraud, the violence that the state employs against them is not in self-defence, is it? Or is it? What is self-defence? Self-defence against what? Violence against the person? Or against property? Against the right to not be called nasty names?
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Great article as always, Paul. With one correction. I’m sure it will net a bunch of thumbs downs but eh whatever.
I’ve seen that second video, the one titled “Ugly Feminist Rally” being dispersed around the manosphere recently. Everytime I see it I try to correct the poster on what it really is. The original video was made by JoeyBoots, one of the best professional trolls I’ve seen. He walks around with a camera filming waiting for someone to approach him. I originally saw this on his youtube account with all of his other shenanigans. It’s not a Feminist rally. Its an Immigrant-Housecleaners rally. They want more rights/money even though at least half are probably illegals.
The women he talks to would probably be self identified as feminists… and this is still a great example of how women lie to get their way. If this was an actual feminist rally hed probably be arrested. But honestly feminists support any ridiculous underdog ideology as long as they don’t have the forethought to see if it could potentially damage them in the future. Ironically, joeyboots account is suspended atm. Probably pushed too hard at some point.
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I would never, ever hit a Lady.
Because a true LADY would comport herself in a manner that would never require being hit.
I used to be a bouncer. I once was breaking up a fight, and had taken a man to the ground and pinned him in an armlock, trying to get him to calm down. His girlfriend jumped on me and began hitting me.
I let go of the guy and gave her an open hand to the face and knocked her on her ass. He tried to get up but by that time, my co-workers arrived and helped to subdue him. She just sat on the ground looking at me in total disbelief.
Of course, being that I was in a night club, and there were plenty of witnesses, both her and her boyfriend were arrested that night, and nothing happened to me. Other eyewitnesses vouched to the cops that the lady attacked me and that I was merely defending myself.
I’d do it again, to.
But I would never hit a Lady.
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Snark,
So you are saying that the state is so corrup that men should resort to vigilante violence against women? Tricky, if it’s not your woman.
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@ Balance
Looks like you are getting the thumbs ups, including one from me. I don’t have a problem with your pointing that out, but I will say that I didn’t identify it as a feminist ralley. That was the guy who posted it to youtube.
I used it because it fit my point so well, and may have bolstered it even further because is wasn’t a feminist event. It was women, more or less average, involved in something else. I don’t doubt that they were feminists, but I think they prove my point better just being identified as women in general.
That would be a material argument if the law of the land could be relied upon to prosecute the offender that attacked you. As we all know, agents of the law turn a blind eye to many acts of violence committed by women and in some cases punish the victim. We are always hearing of cases of children being harmed by such women once the law has removed their only protector.
In such a lawless environment, I would make the argument that a man now has a duty to beat a woman who would use a deadly weapon against him, with force in excess to that required to restrain her. The motivation is neither rage nor a desire for vengeance – it is to provide a disincentive to such violence on her part, now that the law has shrunk from this role.
Allowing dangerous women to threaten others with injury or death, with no repercussions, can only encourage them to worsen. To further allow them to glory in the spectacle of state agents punishing an innocent man for their own crimes is beyond obscene. As in all things, the most effective way to deter offensive behavior is to associate it with something unpleasant as soon as possible – in the case of violent, life threatening women, that means a severe beating. No-one else will teach her the lesson. She will benefit from it, you will benefit and any others she could harm will benefit.
It is well known that the best deterrent to a bully is to beat him. Same applies to female bullies who are only becoming so brazen because so many men cower in fear before them. It is always difficult to muster the courage and deliver the required antidote, but it is always the right thing to do, regardless of the subsequent consequences.
Perhaps the law will take its cue from the resolve and execution of sound men doing what they must – it is certainly hard to imagine a just law arising from men who will not stand up for themselves. I know this is easier to say than do, but it is certainly easier to stand your ground and do the right thing in your personal life than it is to don uniform and arms and fight for something as abstract as country, but no-one thinks this a particularly superhuman kind of courage. I would rather be in prison knowing than I was fighting the good fight, than be in Walter Reed – or worse, Annapolis.
btw, having provided the violent woman with a novel experience of consequences, grab the kids, get out of Dodge and seek a protection order. No point in being a fool about it.
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There are plenty of ways of controlling a woman that do not involve beating her:
1. Learn “game”. It really works.
2. Don’t listen to her rants. Watch what she does.
3. Women think out loud. Their words are almost never definitive.
4. If she has annoyed you at dinner time, throw her dinner on the floor. She will have to clean it up.
5. Tell her EXACTLY what you think.
6. If you do punish her physically, do so in a way that does not actually damage her and that is preferably humiliating (an OTK spanking, remove some of her clothes, leave her stranded somewhere or threaten to).
7. If she is violent with you, respond at the same level only and try to contain her.
8. Do not let her provoke you to physical retaliation. Women will try.
9. Don’t expect her to be rational. Women are not. At best, they are like lunatics who can fake sanity for a while.
10. Err on the side of being a bit cold and harsh. Women don’t really like too much softness in men.
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Sorry Collard, this reads like a list out of a Dr. Phil book, replete with advice that he just made up as he wrote it. C’mon. “Watch what she does”? WTF is that supposed to mean?
I mean, some of your info is true, but it is really meaningless because what you have failed to address in the entirety of your laundry list is that this is not just about dealing with a woman, but dealing with a culture, legal system and state functionaries who work mindlessly on her behalf.
So make up all the self help lists you want to, and of course pull out your Game, the then your can recite it all to the guy in the next cell when you get into trouble.
If your woman wants to make trouble in your life, she is going to, and there is little you can do to stop it, and plenty you can do, if it does not involve 86ing her, to make things a lot worse, including the things on your list. My only suggestion to handle this to not marry or cohabitate and then hope they don’t screw you over anyway.
And no, that is not about hating women, it’s just about respecting the reality of the system as it stands.
OK, Paul, I am an Australian. Maybe it is totally different for you Americans. But women are much the same everywhere. And what I have written works. It has worked for me today. We had a major family difficulty, big rant from my wife, but she has now capitulated.
I have learned what I wrote from twenty-five years married experience. I get EXACTLY what I want from my wife. I have her under control, finally.
Women terrorise men verbally. If you ignore the woman, she will eventually stop. My wife constantly says one thing and does another. That is what I meant by saying “watch what she DOES.”
Look, the laws aren’t going to change in a hurry; women’s nature certainly isn’t. Men have to get smarter and stop making the same relationship mistakes. Do not hit your wife. Be smarter than that.
I am not a Dr Phil. I have been exceedingly firm with my wife, and other women, on occasion. I have tried it all, and what I wrote is what actually works.
The last time my wife seriously irritated me, she spent 15 minutes kneeling in humiliation in a chair. I am not a pussy with my wife. But a man has to fight with the tools he can safely use. I have a good life and I don’t want to spend even one night in jail.
I like having a wife, and I put in the effort to keep her up to the mark. I get my meals cooked, my clothes washed, my children cared for, and my cock sucked. I do OK.
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With all respect, here is the problem. First you say.
And then:
Besides the obvious NAWALT, you are taking your personal anecdotal experience and trying to generalize it to the rest of men and women. Not doanble, in my book.
There are many, many women with personality disorders, especially the borderlines, who will not act in response to your “list” the way your wife does. They will not stop, not matter what you do. It happens all the time. Still others that are not even disordered that will react differently.
The police work on their behalf as well.
I am not questioning that what you do works for you, but I am severely questioning whether you can take what you do with your wife and expect it to keep the male half of the population out of trouble.
The only thing that works, without exception, is for men never to be a place that makes them vulnerable to what women can do. I understand that is not for everyone, even me. But I don’t think writing of a “to do” list is a very well considered plan for dealing with people you don’t know, and whom you may find out about the hard way.
Paul
One of the major insights now available to men is that women have certain predictable buttons you can push. I am not surprised by this. So do men. What we now know is what works with women. I am very interested in generalisations about human behaviour, especially that of women. I think we have made real progress recently in understanding what works in dealing with women.
You can call it “game” or traditional wisdom or sociobiology or whatever, but it works.
Yes, there are always going to be outliers, but every man has sometimes wondered if his woman is not uniquely nuts. But in most cases, she is not. She is just crazy in the way all women are crazy.
Bluntly, if you can keep your woman wet for you, you will have her where you want her. And isn’t that what all men want – power over a woman? Ideally, a wife.
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David,
The point is, regardless of game, if she one day decides to take you on, you are hosed. 25 years of success can be gone in a day. Since you like anecdotes I’ll give one. 15 yr marriage, 4 children, enough savings for all four to attend Gonzaga. Then mom got bored, dad gamed, and his game was used in court to steal everything from him except me. Then mom demanded more. She got it. I went to work at 14 so dad and I could eat. You see mother left him and her oldest penniless and bought toys for her new man with the college money. Oh and dad taught me game well before I was reintroduced to it by David de Angelo.
Game works yes, but not in a courtroom.
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Understand: “Ladies” aren’t some species that pop out of nowhere. There are reasons that explain a “lady’s” behavior.
A “Lady” acquires those positive qualities because she has been raised under control mechanisms (traditional, religious, legal, and physical) that have guided and disciplined her behavior.
Our liberal society throughout the 20th century has lifted those controls that used to restrain women’s worst impulses, while keeping in place or even intensifying those controls on men. Under these circumstances, good women (or “ladies,” if you like) cannot and will not thrive.
Right now, we have a society where women are out of control, and this problem will not be solved unless steps are taken to re-impose control mechanisms on women, and reduce their freedoms and choices.
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@ Migu
Devastating post, but wasted on him I think. This is what happens to most men who encounter this material, but whom have been fortunate enough not to be dragged into a family court or have had the police at the door while she cries and points the finger.
He actually thinks that police and courts can be Gamed because of his good luck, and has confused that luck with some attributes in his own personality.
He words it quite nicely, but this is just a warmed over version of the the guys who say, “All you have to do is know how to treat a woman.”
Then of course those guys, after the hammer falls, end up here talking to other deaf and deluded men about the fact that they too are vulberable.
LOL, we are so fucked, it seems.
Paul,
It seems so. It’s not going to be doomsday, but neither was the gulag archipelago.
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I know I’m preaching to the choir. But men become much more vulnerable to women once they cohabitate or (gods forbid) marry. Though no man is 100% safe, keeping her out of your personal space as much as possible and avoiding commitment is a solid reduction of risk.
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piercedhead,
Preaching to the choir. Why do you think I am here, other than that I have been witness to enough such horror stories to completely disillusion me to feminist propaganda? I’ve decided to just believe my lying eyes on this particular topic.
That was my point to Snark. Vigilante justice carries signifant risks. Not only from the police, but from other men. If those men are her protectors, they will not care about whether you were issuing justice. They have little interest in your procurement of justice, only in promoting their own interests (and those of their women, which often align).
That was a point I was trying to make when commenting on Paul’s false rape article. Having the state in charge of justice is a service, not just to the accuser, but also to the accused.
Of course, the inherent injustice of the state system muddies my simple analysis. In the complete absence of state justice, then the man’s behavior would perhaps be ethical. With state justice present but unequally applied, I don’t really know what to think. If it is your own wife, then the question is easier. But what if it is somebody else’s wife, daughter, sister? They may disagree with your interpretation of what is just and make you pay for the difference.
I can’t really provide a straight opinion on it, and would prefer to leave the topic to the Catholic men here. I am, in essence, eager to appeal to a higher authority on this one. Being a woman, it is too difficult for me to be impartial.
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David,
I don’t think mere Game is enough in such a situation. You yourself had to resort to outside assistence when she went nuts. Game might be able to keep the relationship more harmonious, but if one is already engaged in a fight with a woman armed with a weapon, its usefullness will be limited.
So, do I think men should be harming women? Of course not. But women also shouldn’t be going after them with knives. If they do so, the gig is up and new rules apply. The catechism says that self-defense is not just morally-defensible but a requirement. We are morally required to defend ourselves and those in our charge from mortal harm (because our life is not our own, to forfeit as we wish).
If we fail to do so, or at least attempt to do so, we are at fault if we are harmed. If you think beating the crap out of her is the only way to stop her from harming you or your charges, then you are morally required to beat the crap out of her. That much is clear.
As to your own wife: What if she had turned the hammer on your children before the cops could arrive? What if she was completely rabid and you could not restrain her? Would you have taken a frying pan and knocked her out cold? I hope you would have, and I’m sure your children feel the same way. They, like me, probably enjoy breathing and would like to continue to do so.
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In one context (woman initiates attack), the reason why not to hit a woman back is because, perversely, hitting a woman back is giving her – ‘what she needs’ (or ‘what she wants’).
Equivalent to a points scoring game. If you retaliate she will clock up points (reasons) like a pinball machine. Any reason for her to say ‘he hit me’, you’re done for. The biased legal culture only knows one victim therefore it is best to be deadsure certain you did ABSOUTELY NOTHING. You have to PROTECT yourself, never be drawn in. For me this is your empowerment.
NEVER give her the reason to be able to stack up ANYTHING against you. Give her nothing to go by. Let her fabricate if she’s so inclined, a lie is always more difficult to carry.
If you get hit, get the hell out, away.
Notice how women try to find shocking equivalents to male strength – scratching, gouging, going for the eyes, his nuts, using a weapon, throwing things. A guy slaps a woman in retaliation, or holds her frantically waving arms or he pushes her away, but women aim to debilitate a guy lethally. As weak as women are portrayed to be, their actions result in being oddly ‘disproportionate’. Men draw black and blue (from their woman), but women draw blood (from their man).
But, NEVER give a woman ‘what she wants/needs’, in any form. Don’t give her what works out to be ‘a benefit’ for her, a reason she can use forever and ever, don’t feed the moment. Disengage.
The best thing to give a woman is – NOTHING.
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Women are more vicious because they tend to become hysterical, or even go stark-raving mad. Also, it is — paradoxically — easier to injure someone lethally than to merely subdue them. Anyone can take a gun and shoot someone else, or stab them when they are unawares. But how many women would win a “fair fight” against a grown man? She’d probably just end up looking ridiculous and get herself beat.
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It is always interesting how many reasons are offered – however far-fetched – when a man proposes using his physical advantage over a woman who is life-threatening and dangerous. One of the major themes is the fear of repercussions to himself. This same line of reasoning is rarely presented when a man faces a dangerous male attacker. Arguably there is even more immediate threat to life and limb in this instance, but the advice to refrain from responding with force is nowhere near as forthcoming as it is with violent women. The generalization that women are less dangerous than men is a tedious one – bullets are less dangerous than bombs, but who really cares? Violent women are harming and murdering others every single day. They need to be treated like any other mortal threat. It is a disgrace that in this day and age of obsessive safety-consciousness, our laws will not acknowledge this particular problem candidly.
Men by their natures have always looked to themselves as the first resource for solving their problems. If the law refuses to confront a manifest wrong, it is surely approving of it. Note that ‘the law’ came into being as the agreed will of men who could enforce it. Law is not now the agreed will of men, nor is it enforced by the same. It is a law of women, objectifying men as resources for their plunder. The steady loss of men’s equivalent rights over the last century couldn’t evidence this more.
The most obvious power remaining to us is that of our physical prowess, and even that is being made the object of a repulsive disinformation campaign.It is no surprise to me that objection should be raised against us using it under any circumstances, and that those directing their stern advice would be women.
To put things in a little more context, perhaps you would advise the police to never shoot an armed woman, tazer any woman threatening to harm, or blow the brains out of a woman subway rider suspected of carrying concealed explosives for the purposes of creating an international outrage.
I am suggesting nothing that common sense and daily experience doesn’t support – but I am suggesting that this same sense be applied in a context that approaches taboo, largely through the efforts of women and brain-washed men. It was once an offense to imagine the king’s death – regardless of the fact that all kings eventually die. It appears that imagining violence against a violent women is heading the same way.
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I suspect that “imagining” the king’s death meant more than just thinking about it. The meanings of words have changed. It probably meant conspiring or planning his death.
In terms of the broader debate, I am living in Australia, so the law is different as are attitudes. I was pleasantly surprised when the cops arrived and my wife was the one in trouble. Because she had used a sledge hammer to try to break down a door. The damage was there, my innocence of that particular act was obvious. She would have spent a night in the watch house if I had chosen to press charges.
I only called the police because of the sledgehammer and because I thought she might accidentally injure my nine year old son. Normally she “only” waves a kitchen knife at me. I don’t take this too seriously and I can and have disarmed her in this situation.
Alte, I am not sure about your question. Obviously one’s children’s safety is paramount. I may be called upon to make some kind of decision on this whole matter, because things are coming to a head right now.
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David, I am very sorry to hear that.
That is because the possible repercussions of injuring another man are generally less. With the possible exception of gang-bangers.
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Thanks, Alte. I am sad about it too. We shall see.
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You may then be interested in the following case out of New Zealand, where the differences in attitudes are far less stark.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/national/4077164/Eight-years-for-murder
A woman “waved a knife around” in front of her husband, eventually plunging it into his heart. She was recently found guilty of murder by a jury. According to New Zealand law, the mandatory sentence for murder is life, but judges have the discretion to waive this sentence in exceptional cases. Prior to this case, it had been waived only once, in the case of a man found guilty of euthanizing his terminally ill wife.
However, the judge considered this murder an exceptional case and reduced the sentence to 8 years with no minimum parole, meaning she’ll be out in about 2 years 8 months. He also said he believed her to be no risk to society or her 6 children (even though she murdered their father).
What was particularly interesting was the background story. This was a case of the man being a ‘battered husband’. He had been stabbed before by her, and had lost an eye in another incident where she hit him over the head with a bottle. The police had 500 pages of documentation relating to prior call-outs tothe couple. You can be sure that if the man had harmed the wife in any way, there would be no need for that many pages – he would have been in prison before so many could accumulate. So why wasn’t she locked away after demonstrating so much abuse? Why wasn’t she doing time for taking out an eye and stabbing a man? There can be only one answer. The police wouldn’t arrest a woman in this case. And once the woman goes and does what was inevitable, the same bias is dispensed from the judge’s bench. She doesn’t get to do the full sentence. His reason? Because it would be “manifestly unjust” to jail her, on the grounds of her horrifically violent past. Not her childhood, which was described as normal and healthy, and not her marriage, but the lifestyle she chose as a teenager and the criminals she chose to associate with. I daresay whatever violence she was subjected to was meted out in equal, if not greater dose in return, but the judge doesn’t mention that.
We cross a line into spectacular stupidity when we don’t ridicule such nonsense, or worse, start believing it.
If New Zealand is too foreign for you to accept that the same could happen in Australia, you may be right. When Kathy Knight‘s husband ran to NSW police one day complaining that he feared his violent wife would murder him, after having stabbed him in the past, the Australian police did nothing. The next day they were called to his house to find his headless, skinned corpse. His head they found in a cooking pot, and parts of his rump had been sauteed and made into a gravy which sat on the table with the children’s dinner. Kathy Knight had murdered him in bed, then butchered him. Although the Australian police were as ineffective as the New Zealand police, at least the Australian courts recognized the danger to society and jailed her for life, never to be released.
If your wife is waving a knife around in your house, in front of you, read the Kathy Knight story. You are very probably in mortal danger. Your comments about Game suggest to me that your judgment may already be suffering and that you are hoping against hope. Get advice from someone you trust. If they won’t believe what you tell them, talk to someone else. Do not put your trust in the police.
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Alte-”Women are more vicious because they tend to become hysterical, or even go stark-raving mad.”
This is very true and decent women not infected with feminism will agree.
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@ David Collard
Let me get this right. You had a woman weilding a sledgehammer and actually using it on your property, you felt concerned enought to call police, you had children at that home, and you did not have her removed from there that very moment?
David,
She normally just waves a “kitchen knife” at you. This is getting richer and richer.
You are regularly threatened with a deadly weapon, and sleep next to this women at night?
This is rich, whats next are you going to start telling us you “rape” her on a regular basis too?
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This is just stunning. David lectures us about Game, but it turns out he lives with, tolerates, and subjects his children to an out of control family terrorist.
If I were Roissy, I’d be cleaning my guns. Sweet Jesus, truth is stranger than fiction.
I think some sympathy is called for here. David has clearly been living with a woman of unsound mind and violent tendencies for some time now. We all know men aren’t exactly well-informed on the prevalence, or even existence, of female violent psychopathy. Living with such a person, and living in a culture that constantly places responsibility for marital failure on men and men alone, is likely to affect most men’s judgment, making some believe they should be fixing the un-fixable.
No man nor woman should be threatening anyone with knives David. That is your base-line indicator that you are not dealing with an ordinary person. There is nothing you should be doing to correct her behavior – it is a task beyond any human. If you’d like, I can put you in contact privately with another man who lived many years under similar circumstances, and eventually found his way out of it.
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She regularly waves a knife at you?
Are you kidding me?
ANYONE who did that to me would be summarily dropped with a left hook.
Cops or no cops.
Gather up your kids and LEAVE.
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This is a very interesting article. I used to blog about self-defense and related issues and this is a topic I had considered writing about, but shelved the idea because it is a very difficult and controversial subject.
Although the specific legalities of self-defense can be very different in various jurisdictions, it is odd to see some of the comments here nonchalantly describing threats of attack with knives and blunt instruments to the head. Here in the US, that is considered deadly force.
Ideally, we would like to avoid these situations altogether but unfortunately, sometimes things end up going out of control.
Generally speaking, I would suggest that if a man finds himself threatened with violent attack by a woman (particularly a woman known to him) and is unable to leave for whatever reason, then he should resolve it using an appropriate level of force and call the police immediately, not necessarily in that order. More specifically, call the police before she does (this is also a good idea in other types of self-defense situations). Notice that Mr. Woods let his wife seize the initiative in this regard, and therefore he allowed her to control the narrative and play the victim. This is obviously not foolproof but it is something to consider. There may be circumstances where calling the police may not work in your favor but that is something that you will have to determine for yourself.
Regarding pepper spray: laws regarding the possession and use of oleoresin capsicum (OC) vary considerably from one jurisdiction to another, but I think it is an excellent defensive tool. It is a very low level of force (lower than striking or grappling) and often gets reasonable results with less committed attackers. At the very least it forces them to operate at a handicap. Although OC is not really an appropriate response to a deadly attack (i.e. knives and clubs), in the context of defending against a female aggressor in a domestic violence situation, it may be an option. It is the lowest level of physical force you could possibly use. It can be easily justified and has some chance of success, perhaps mitigating the “pussy pass” to some extent.
It is important that men research their local laws regarding domestic violence and self-defense as well as learning how to properly conduct themselves during interactions with law enforcement.
You may not agree with the laws, but being forewarned is forearmed. Certainly, having considered the possibility of such a scenario beforehand and thinking through the possible courses of action is already a positive step.
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By now, it should be clear to all that the comments by Mr. David Collard here are completely worthless and utterly disgraceful. He should be ashamed at how he has participated on this particular issue.
There is no question that women must be controlled. But men tie themselves in knots trying to figure out how to do it without a guilty conscience.
No, it is not necessary for men to beat women every time the latter misbehaves. Sometimes, the occasion calls for only a look, or a word. The point is not to needlessly injure or frighten women, but to have control over how they behave towards men.
On the other hand, it IS necessary for male physical force to always lurk in the background in every woman’s mind whenever she is dealing with a man — because the undeniable fact is, it is male physical force, either the application or threat thereof, that ensures respectful behavior from women.
Women are basically a bunch of scaredy-cats, easily intimidated, and amenable to the wills and dictates of any man determined not to let a woman mis-behave. Unfortunately, society has emboldened women to acts of misbehavior that in earlier times would have meant death, or at the very least grievous bodily injuries. Current domestic violence laws have effectively tied one arm behind the backs of men, severely disrupting relations between the sexes.
The fact is, physical force is the one thing men have that will ensure proper behavior from women. The superior verbal skills women generally have MUST be balanced by the superior physical might we men possess. Otherwise, relations between the sexes are disrupted. There should be NO domestic violence laws of ANY kind on the books today, as current laws regarding assault and battery are sufficient.
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“when is it ok to punch your wife?” this elam dude should know this more than anyone!
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I’ll tell ya when its ok to punch your wife or any female. when there is no more laws protecting them.
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I was once accused of being a woman basher for simply blocking a punch aimed at me by a woman – why? It hurt her arm. Apparently not only am I not allowed to defend myself with a measured retaliation I am not even allowed to block the strike. I’m supposed to just stand there and take it.
The Australian government ran an advertising campaign recently saying, “It’s NEVER OK to hit a woman”. Never is a big word, apparently I’m not even allowed to hit one if she’s coming at me with a knife. We don’t even expect dogs not to defend themselves from attack, apparently we are lower class citizens than a dog.
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When male victims of domestic violence outnumber or are equal to the number of female victims of domestic violence, then maybe your argument will actually have ground to stand on. When male victims of sexual assault outnumber or are equal to the number of women who are victims of sexual assault, then maybe your argument will have ground to stand on. When patriarchy no longer exists, when women throughout the globe have the same rights as men, and have no fear of being raped or beaten for “misbehaving”, then and maybe then your argument will have ground to stand on.
Violence is never okay no matter who it comes from, but understand why laws are made to protect women from men. Understand HISTORY. Women are still one of the most oppressed groups of people throughout the world, and when this changes and gets better, well maybe it will be okay for a man to “defend” himself.
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Stacey your an idiot. And a liar too.
So let me drills this into you about “History”. The Roman’s, Greeks, Sumerians, and the Babylonians, all the people the feminist’s point to as evidence of historical oppression of women all have one other thing in common. THEY ARE EXTINCT!
Most of us that are what society would call “white” and many, many of Hispanic origin; have strong Celtic, Germanic and Slavic ancestry. Our history is far more egalitarian then what feminist bigots would have you believe. Our ancestors just robbed the graves of the patriarchal societies(and more matriarchal societies we came across as well). Because you have to understand the you don’t understand a thing about what our ancestors went through to survive. Also, you are so self diluted it is sickening. You women cry about oppression yet know not what it is.
P.S DV is roughly 50-50 already. And women’s 50% where they are victims wouldn’t happen if 3/4ths of that 50′s didn’t abuse their partner first(emotionally or physically). Meaning in 70+% women are the primary aggressor of DV. And as per sex assault: It is akin to what women dealt with in the 60′s-70′s. When women where scared of being called “lesbian”. So get over yourself. Because you will find that men all over western civilization have learned a new trick. How to hold a grudge.
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