I hope readers can excuse my recent focus on local events, but the Washington State senate election is actually pretty significant for American men in general. Senator Patty Murray is one of the most hardcore feminists in Congress, on par with Barbara Boxer of California. Before Patty Murray was elected, replacing Brock Adams (he had to quit because he’d been accused of drugging and raping an intern) back in ’92, Gloria Steinem paid her a visit on her birthday, which should tell us pretty much all we need to know. Murray was also one of the primary sponsors of VAWA, IMBRA, and now supports SAFE, which is a bill that would force employers to pay female employees for time spent building a case against their husband in divorce (so long as they claim “abuse” is involved). Other notable Patty Murray achievements include being voted the dumbest senator of all by DC staffers for seven years in a row, and praising Osama bin Laden for running daycare centers.
I’m no fan of Republicans – in fact, I despise both parties – but Republican Dino Rossi cannot possibly be as bad for men as Patty Murray, so I’m going to have to hold my nose and give him my support. It might help if men in Washington took the time to call Dino Rossi’s campaign headquarters to tell staffers that he will get their vote if he at least takes a pro-father stance. For American men, politicians like Patty Murray have been a nightmare, so if there’s a chance to put her out of power it’s worth some effort.
As a Seattlite, I’m a bit cynical, because Washington has been solidly Democratic since the early ’90s, but that doesn’t mean I’ve given up entirely on the idea of ejecting Patty Murray from the senate, and it really does look a bit grim for her lately.
Admittedly, Glenn Sacks is more in tune with the political stuff than I am, so I hope he takes some time to focus on this race.
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@Welmer
Wouldn’t Clint Didier be a better choice? I’ve been following him a bit over at DailyPaul.com.
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If women can get paid time off from work to build a divorce case against their husband then men should be given the same right.
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I think it is important to note, Brock Adams was accused, as Welmer said, of raping a woman, but it was never proven. He died in 2004 of Parkinson’s disease. Disgraced by possibly a false rape allegation.
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It probably would be helpful if people began writing how her policies are sexist (ie. feminist). The SAFE example is a good start. It would also be a good idea to emphasize that a politician’s political affiliation is not important. The only thing that matters is whether or not that politician is a feminist.
This would help attract voters from all parties and break the stupidity of party loyalty.
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What these women don’t realize is that passing all these bills that supposedly protect women from their husbands is only making the women less desirable as wives. Also, this SAFE bill will make them less desirable as employees. I wish these women would stop acting like they are helping us because they really aren’t.
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Laura says “If women can get paid time off from work to build a divorce case against their husband then men should be given the same right.”
Wrong. No private employer should be forced to pay for what his employees do when they are not at work. It is considered humane to give time off for funerals, the government has no place forcing businesses to pay for nonproductive breaks in work at all.
If this idea has any merit, that people should be given PAID time off to fight civil legal disputes, then leave it up to the free market, and maybe some firms will offer this benefit as a carrot to people when they go to job interviews. I don’t see that it has any merit however.
What kind of business killing policy is this anyway. Potentially, I could have a small sewing machine repair firm, with eight women hired. Five of them could be off work fighting divorces, or just looking after babies, or doing jury duty, or off sick, or going to a funeral, and I have to pay thousands of dollars not just because acts of god befall my employees in terms of the couple who are sick or grieving, but also added to the mix I’ve got big government socialists like Patty Murry coming in and doubling the bill I have to pay for employees who aren’t even at work. It’s sick.
This is why I don’t hire women.
And if I do, I hire Asians who aren’t feminazi whack jobs.
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Why isn’t VAWA and this SAFE bill challenged and funneled up to the Surpeme Court already? They’re stunningly clear violations of the Equal Protection Clause.
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I have to be realistic about Washington State. Clint Didier is a farmer from Eastern Washington. No way he’s going to get elected, because Western Washingtonians won’t see him as “one of us,” and the West has a much higher population. The biggest problem with Washington State politics is that Seattle dominates the Democratic party, and Eastern Washington the Republican. If it were more evenly spread across the state we’d probably have better candidates. As it is, the Democrats are pure Seattle hard-left ideologues, and the Republicans isolated SoCons.
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“…force employers to pay female employees for time spent building a case against their husband in divorce (so long as they claim “abuse” is involved)…”? Excuse me, but…WTF???
Why on Earth would ANY business owner, male OR female…ever hire a woman with such laws in place? Holy shit. It would be like inviting shoplifters into your retail store, or cockroaches into your restaurant.
These fembots will soon be hoisted on their own petards with this kind of stupidity.
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@Szebran I don’t think breaking party loyalty is going to be that simple. Those that are steadfastly loyal to a party are willfully ignorant. They don’t want to take the time to do research. These aren’t the kind of people that will listen to a non-mainstream viewpoint.
What will work is teaching more enlightened individuals on how to use sovereignty to opt out of income tax and starve the beast. I recommend joining freemanireland.com. Globalman’s still over there and he know a hell of a lot more about the subject than I do.
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Don’t tell us here. We already know. Tell her yourself.
Contact Patty Here.
Making women less desirable as wives is exactly part of the overall plan.
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This Patty lady is not one to reason with. The tea parties have had success getting rid of incoumbant politicians. We need more rule of law conservative types. (i did not say republican) Wahington state should be ashamed of itself putting up such a sexist piece of shit in office. What the hell are doing up there Welmer?
All kidding aside politics is where the power is at. I’ve seen too many MRA or i should say shit talkers on the MR blog post up the high and mighty theories and trash talk. Waiting around for some body to come save them and talking down to the people that are politically involved. At this time the heros of our country are the tea party people.
Some how we need to get the spearhead message into the libertarian or conservative political think. Other wise the best we can hope for is maybe SAFE not passing and the whiteknights gleefully enforcing anti male femminist laws. The same ole same ole only a liitle more socialist each time around.
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Is this a FUCKIN JOKE??? please tell me this is one of those dumb bills that politicians put on the dock every now and then as a feel good, look at me I really care, example. Sort of like congress passing bills recognizing this holiday or this religion or what not. Cause if this has any traction then this is crazy. Why should empoloyers have to pay for peoples personal lives? It goes against the very idea of work? It also turns the company into a parent instead of a creative economic entity. More communitarian philosophy where they think problems will be fixed by taking the group ethos/ideal and cramming it down the throats of the individual. The mrm really needs to focus on openly oposing social engineering and communitarianism.
IMBRA=International Marriage Brokers = makes it illegal to write a love letter to a foreign citizen with out mommy governments permission.
So any divorced guys or non custodial or custodial or single fathers can’t send a picture of their child to their prospective step mother.
Damn, good thing there isn’t such a thing as scam artists or identity theft, cause that doesn’t exist in other countries *snark*
As a teen I had to stop using computers cause all I need to get credit card numbers was a persons name. Hmmm, the only thing that sucks now is that computers have changed so during those 5 yrs I didn’t use them…im a noob now ;(….actually it hasn’t changed that much, cause ive been using them in a good way for years now. Im reformed. They’ve just gotten more complex and tedious.
Huh? So a church or religious based website that is free but only matches americans, expats and all, but not aliens is ok? Or is this to force a feminist approach? Or could I start a site selling t-shirts and create a t-shirt afficionado club that charges a monthly fee and set up foreign and american t-shirt lovers. As long as I didn’t charge more for the service than my tshirts, or it wasn’t my principle business model??? Im confused???
How is this not xenophobic? How was this not attacked on the racial issue? Or did racist republicans and white knights stand up and support it cause wimminz are victims???
From wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marriage_Broker_Regulation_Act
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Damn, this isn’t a joke. I just found some info on it:
from:http://www.thenextright.com/creativestrategist/safe-act-supercharges-victimhood-and-allegations-of-domestic-violence
This guy is texan, maybe he can be reasoned with if you are polite, he is one of them that introduced the bill…I don’t know if it was a favor or if he’s a die hard white knight, heres his contact info:
Rep. Ted Poe (R) Texas, 2nd Congressional District Phone: 202-225-6565 Fax: 202-225-5547
http://poe.house.gov/contact/contactform.htm
Also,
http://roybal-allard.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=126271
So guys can get fired for saying, “hey wanna get a drink afterwork, you llook nice today” but a woman can steal a mans kids, house, and life and soul and is guaranteed a job for life.
Oh shit, I just found this website, so I haven’t read all of it but it looks to be male friendly on matters of DV but its focus is ‘protecting victims of domestic violence’ and it talks about how the current system isn’t working for women. The best part is how it breaks down the SAFE act, showing that only 10%, yes, 10% of the bill uses correct info in the bill. The rest is debunked on the site.
http://wadvpress.org/?p=215
Is there any way to paste pictures in these comments? Cause it would be awesome to post some of these graphs?
Welmer, could you do a post on the SAFE act using this info, and the site is this again
SAFE Act – 49 Out Of 53 Points Baseless
http://wadvpress.org/?p=215
It looks like this guy is a fellow washington stater, from the about page:
Its going into my troll roll, lot’s of good info guys.
http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com
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If this POS passes I’m outta here.
Enough is enough.
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Trollking, thanks for elaborating on SAFE. Having been there, I know what the implications of the bill are, but a lot of people probably don’t get it.
I think a post on SAFE is a good idea, but that will take some research, and it seems you’ve already taken some steps in that direction. If you’d like, I’d be happy to collaborate with you on a SAFE exposé, or you could do it yourself and I’d edit and publish it. Feel free to contact me and we can work something out. This is a very important issue, as it would give disgruntled women a weapon comparable to VAWA, and even exceeding VAWA in some aspects given that it would force private third parties to fund women’s attacks on men.
As for wadvpress, I’ve seen the blog before. It’s a great resource, but I’m a bit skeptical about the effectiveness of online activism at the local level — there just aren’t enough people engaged on the county/state level online at this point. it might be more effective to buy TV or radio ads, which are a lot easier to make now with the proliferation of editing software.
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ZenCo. August 18, 2010 at 17:09
If this POS passes I’m outta here.
Enough is enough.
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Man, im with you
One of the best times and worst times of my life was when I dated several foreign women within the course of about 8 months, mostly in their own country too. I had travelled, or more accurately was shuffled around between parents growing up, alot when I was a teen and I thought what I noticed was simply culture shock. But at 23, I realized that it’s because foreign women are just different. They still have some aspect of their femininity, where even 19 yr old college girls have lost it completely. Hell, alot of sorostitutes are worse than some of the single mothers around here. Atleast the single mothers have to put up a front to try and snag a man.
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Ooops, meant to put in that this is our country and it’s made for men. For men BY men. Ive heard feminists talk about how ‘mankind’ is discrimatory, but then I read alot of Thomas Jefferson, Adams, and others and I don’t for one fucking minute think these guys thought storks delivered children. They were incredibly intelligent, and Im sure they knew about the nature of women. If females have a problem with america, then they should be the ones to expat or flee, not men.
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Good point Troll King. You’re just as much of an American as they are.
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The SAFE Act. Is there anything “safe” about it? My goodness, these laws are absolutely frightening. We also should not forget that as long as those so-called “affirmative” action laws remain in place, many companies will not be able to avoid hiring women, no matter how expensive women laborers become. Therefore Congress is really quite free to generally saddle corporate America with the costs women incur as they pursue a potentially unlimited range of private objectives. Moreover, as the recent Target debacle proves, businesses will face significant pressure from the public not to address these problems with the legislature. Any large and well-known company that has the audacity to oppose the feminist machine will surely face severe repercussions in the public arena. Frightening.
Someone earlier stated — I believe it was Laura — that SAFE should not be passed unless it also avails men of the benefits it proposes to offer women. Let us please not begin to think this way. We do not want to start thinking, “We will accept anything the feminists hand us, so long as they always afford men the same rights as women.” If we think this way we will cease to oppose feminism, and liberalism more generally, in any meaningful way. We will in fact follow them to our destruction. To pursue the equal denigration of the sexes, that is, the universal denigration of humanity, is hardly the goal we are seeking — at least it is certainly not the goal I seek, and I hope I am not alone in that.
On a more positive note, two ideas came to mind as I was reading the article and comments here. First, someone had the bright idea to post the link to a place where we can talk to Patty Murray. That’s brilliant. What if we took that further? Perhaps someone has the time, knowledge, and resources to assemble a website that follows activities in Congress (especially the passage of laws) that are relevant to the MRM. It would be a place MRAs could visit to track the development of laws like SAFE, IMBRA, VAWA, etc., to learn about the implications of such laws in detail, and to read more about those people and groups who are trying to pass those laws. The website could also provide guidance on contacting congressmen and so on. In short, the website could be one mechanism to raise the political consciousness and galvanize the public action of men and friendly women across the country. I think we really need something like this and I’m sure many men are eager to do something to change the course of things. A website of this nature would provide an outlet for them.
I direct my other thought to those of us who are religiously inclined. First I ask us to consider the Rwandan genocide that occurred in the 1990s. Prior to that genocide, the country had experienced two or three hundred years, as I understand, of interracial hatred. This hatred slowly deepened in its intensity and vigor so that it finally exploded in a barbaric episode in which roughly 800,000 people were slaughtered in about 100 days. Now, in our own time, there appears to be a growing hatred between the sexes. We ought to ask where this is leading.
We might ask, further, how well we, relying solely upon our human wisdom and intelligence, will succeed in untying the deadly knots we have tied in the relationship between Man and Woman. Will we succeed on our own or will we manage only to further confuse and darken the matter — to fatal effect?
This is why I, as a Christian, believe it is imperative, absolutely imperative, that we take our need for this restoration of the friendship between men and women to Christ. We must ask for it. If we do not partner with Christ as we pursue a saner world we will only complicate matters further. We should also undertake some penitential acts, however small or large, to atone for our sins and those of others, especially as they pertain to the so-called Battle of the Sexes. Finally, now is the time to imitate Christ particularly as we face those members of the opposite sex who most offend and demean us. I sincerely hope that we Christians will together ask Jesus to save the relationships between men and women. There are surely fewer issues more important for our times.
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Welmer,
I will do that. It may take some time, ive been busy the last two months with an accelerated language class and recently trying to get funds and class schedules together for this fall. Here in a couple weeks ill be situated in my class schedule and rythm so I hope to do alot more writing and bloggin. Summer classes just take so much time out of the day, especially since I was driving to a community college, now that classes are starting again I will be within walking distance, which saves about 2 hrs a day just in driving time not to mention the daily 5 hours of class and two of studying. The good thing is that that much class time gave me plenty of time to daydream and think. Ive got articles written in my mind and notebooks that I need to type up.
Ill definately do some more research and ill send you what I find and write.
Im not sure about online activism. My site is definately not meant to be activism, just what im interested in. But feminists are incredibly good at online activism. Here’s a feminist site about the SAFE bill
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/senator-murray-reintroduces-safe-act.html
If you look at the comments, they all emailed their senators. Now the difference is that they have the feminist framework/infrastructure in place. Males don’t….
But youtube has been awesome with regards of spreading male issues.
I don’t have any money to spend on radio or tv, but I think I will look into the college radio and tv programs at my uni. I used to know a couple guys who spent a little time in those programs. Im not sure how I would have to go about getting some info on those channels. I also have thought about the college paper, cause they publish student writing once or twice a week(for non jornalism majors) so getting some info out that way might be possible.
As a philosophy major, which has turned into a joke cause every class is a feminist hellhole, I mean, well be talking about engineering ethics and then some blonde fat chick dominates the discussion talking about the pay gap and how not enough women are in engineering and blah blah blah…Im trying to talk about the challenger disaster and the white knight male or worse female teacher wants to talk about the fuckin pay gap…arrrgghh. But there is a program for writing actual philosophy papers and having them published in journals for undergraduates….any ideas what I might work on? Ive got many thoughts, especially on the bio ethics side and legal ethics or collective structures around social issues but ive got plenty of time to decide on a thesis, write it and submit it.
I do plan on going around and placing flyers in mens room around campus and the bars off campus, mainly things stating small but memorable quotes likes:
“marriage is retirement for women, 70-90% of divorces are initiated by women, blah blah…with citations and web addresses”
Ive been putting together alot of little quotes like that and printing them up on pages. I papered the community college I was attending this summer with them, but they ripped them down before I could take pictures. Hehe, I saw a couple of nursing students fly into a rage when they picked one of my flyers up off the ground. It was awesome.
Maybe a pamphlet with all the info on SAFE(and could be done with VAWA, IMBRA etc.) would be good. We could get all the info collected, we all print them out and take 10 bucks out of our own pockets to buy stamps and envelopes and send them to your local large and small businesses and politicians. This could be some internet activism that could be good, even if only 15 people did it in 15 different areas, it might atleast get the word out.
Just some thoughts. Ill do some trolliing, im sure I can find the PDF version of the bill online.
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@GreyGhost
You have to understand the politics of the Northwest. West of the Cascades is the left coast. East of the Cascades tends to be neo-con country. I grew up and live in the latter and being east of the Snake from Welmer it is definitely a good-ole-boys club.
I think the mistake that may be taking place in the tea party is that they are being co-opted by the neo-cons, but the turmoil they are bringing by unseating incumbents is a welcome respite. Locally, the tea-party candidate unseated the neo-con anointed which is extremely rare for Idaho. But, then again I’m the odd-ball – when I did vote it was small ‘l’ libertarian, now I’m strictly min-archist in my perspectives. Other than that unseat any and all incumbents – lest we forget our ‘toe tapping’ senator Craig . . .
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While I think the Murray eel will have the toughest challenge she has ever had, she will still manage to retain her seat by the skin of her teeth.
Boxer, too, will stay in (Fiorina is only marginally better at best).
So I am not optimistic about Rossi winning…
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Everyone,
Quit being armchair commenters, and take action.
Take this article from The Spearhead, and post the link to it on Dr. Helen’s blog.
http://drhelen.blogspot.com
We need multiple people to do this. Summarize how bad SAFE is.
Do it. Instapundit will link to it if we post this link to Dr. Helen enough.
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Laura wrote :
What these women don’t realize is that passing all these bills that supposedly protect women from their husbands is only making the women less desirable as wives. Also, this SAFE bill will make them less desirable as employees.
Eureka!!! A woman who actually understands cause and effect!! Let me check that I am not dreaming……
Good work, Laura. Keep thinking good thoughts like this, so we can consider this to be more than a case of a broken clock right twice a day.
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SAFE, which is a bill that would force employers to pay female employees for time spent building a case against their husband in divorce (so long as they claim “abuse” is involved).
BTW, it is laws like this that cause employers to outsource US jobs to India and elsewhere.
It is NOT because of differential in base salary. Also, dumbshits who actually blame the Indian workers for ‘taking’ ‘our’ jobs are so stupid that they deserve what they got. It is not the fault of the Indian worker for living in a place where expensive baggage like SAFE does not exist.
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Ill jump in here and give laura a cookie too. Ive bean a lil mean to her a few times, but atleast she said something right this time. Good job!
Kep up the non-stupid comments.
As ar as armchair activism goes, im writing a email to the republican from texas, Ted Poe.
He’s a republican, and I just turned on fox and Hannity is raging about women not being allowed to drive and being stoned to death because of sharia law. I really wonder if this republican white knightism isn’t just islamophobia? Either way, Ted Poe introduced SAFE and im hoping with a nice letter he can be persuaded. Ideally our elected reps are supposed to do what the people ask, not what their ideology says. But that’s not usually the case, especially with feminists and females.
Here’s what I have so far:
To the Honorable Representative of Democracy, Ted Poe:
As an freedom loving American I am worried about the ramifications of a new Law ironically named (SAFE), Security and Financial Empowerment Act. This Act, which you sir introduced, claims to help out victimcs of domestic violence, and as a male who has experienced a vindictive and abusive ex girllfriend I would hope this law would be applied equally between men and women of all sexual persuasions, but this is not why I am writing. I am writing you because I do not think this bill will have it’s intended effect.
According to RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting), this bill will, “create incenctives to file false claims…trivialize the problems of domestic violece and marginalize true victims.” (http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/RADARanalysis-HR739-SAFE-Act.pdf)
Now, again sir, I am not writing to you about this bill because of the aspect of domestic violence but instead because of the effect I think it will have on employee/employer relations and how I think it will further harm our economy in a time where every dollar is stretched way too thin. I do hope you will recognize the harm this bill will cause to women, children and men who are suffering abuse and instead draft a law that uses the latest research to properly address these victims and create stiff penalties for those who are truly guilty of such horrific and inhumane abuse.
Congressman Poe, my main concern with this bill is how it will effect my future employment oppurtunities in a time where business growth is not only stagnant but negative. I am a college student who hasn’t been employed full time since I quite a good job to get a education. I work by doing handywork for condo owners, clearing brush and handy works for my grandmothers friends from church, and I take care of my grandmother who has dementia.
The rest of the time is spent in school trying to get ahead so I can hopefully one day create my own small company and carve out my own slice of apple pie that is the American dream. I fear with such mandatory laws, as SAFE would create, that I may find myself unable to create a small business due to the potential cost of certain types of employees.
[Imagine if this law was applied in the classroom. If I miss class for two weeks then my grade suffers. Now should it make a difference if I missed class because of a hangover or because of bruises delivered from a relationship partner? If I got into a bar fight and missed class or a car accident, should I have my grades inflated for work I wasn't present for? I don't believe this is fair, and aside from creating an atmosphere where actual victims are further discriminated against I think it will also place a penalty on employees who have to pick up the slack of a missing employee. I think it will also harm the long term value and productivity of a company by redistributing company resources into the private lives of employees instead of research and development.] []=[I need to fix this section up, any ideas?]
Please sir, consider all short term and long term implications of this bill and how it will effect the individual employee, the business owner and more importantly how it will trivial those most in need by funneling much needed resources away from policies that would actually help.
Sincerely,
A deeply concerned American
What do you guys think? I need to fix it up a little, im not sure about the classroom part and I could probably expand the economic aspect some. But it’s a first draft.
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Ok, after rereading that it should say trivialize instead of trivial and Im going to add a little more before I email it, especially maybe about how I agree with not allowing insurance employers to drop people because of domestic violence while denouncing the rest. Im not going to email it to him but my own reps. Here are two links to find email addresses for your state representatives. Feel free to borrow any of my wording.
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm
So you can easily look up your own reps, email away. let’s stop this shit in its tracks.
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done…
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@Troll King
I just have to say this no offense just a suggestion.
You really make a great effort. Your insights are sometimes really great. Your web site is really great ( but a little slow and buggy ).
I appreciate your talents, imtelligence and work.
So why do you belittle it with such childish language? Why ruin a good thing? Every other word is bitch or c**t. It looks so foolish like you’re 12 or something.
Calm down,take a breath,and stop discrediting yourself and us.
Sorry to be so blunt.
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Agreed. But it’s still a good opportunity to put some cards on the table and give them a scare.
Personally, I think Rossi would be ineffectual, but ineffectual is better than actively trying to ram SAFE down our throats. Also, we should strive to give Murray – and Seattle in general – a reputation as a terrible place for men (it is, so that would be totally honest). We have to think nationally, and if California and Washington State have to be pariahs, even though those states are where my family lives, that’s fine by me. I’m a political pariah in Seattle and San Francisco, as are most straight white guys, so it’s no skin off my back to see these cities politically isolated.
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3Dshooter I understand what you are saying about the tea parties being co opted by neo-cons I really hate the term. I think of them as ruling class republicans. They were going to do the same thing the socialist in power are doing only at a slower pace. We are the ones that need to co-opted the tea parties. MRA’s have got to get involved in politics. real rule of law conservatives are what we need. And get them out of office ASAP before the ruling class turns them. This year is our last chance to play the vote them out game. It won’t make any difference. What I fear will happen is we will elect some people that will try to make changes and some judge will just null and void what ever it is. The ruling class will turn the newly elected and the beat will go on. After that the government will start imprisoning political opposition. This year is our last election that people will think voting makes a difference. After that it will be all insider corruption. Elections won’t matter but being politically connected will.
We are already getting to see an example in how average government salary is double private sector pay. And also the bail outs of all of the unionized government workers and teachers called a job protection bill.
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Let’s face it, we all know that SAFE will be the law of the land soon. We aren’t anywhere near being able to stop it. That’s just a fact. We are miles from being able to stop it.
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Maybe so, but if you don’t have a relationship with a woman or hire women it won’t affect you. Let the women price themselves out of the market. They already have, as far as I’m concerned, but maybe it will take this kind of stuff to convince the guys who haven’t been slammed yet. The day is soon coming when a clear majority of men will know the score and women find themselves with nothing but what the (dead broke) government has to offer. There will be cheap whores all over the place — I’ve seen how this goes down.
You guys have to see how ridiculous this all is. We’re running out of money, and women are simply creating more entitlements for themselves. Does anyone really expect that to work out for them?
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This ship has sailed. How do you think feminist groups are so well funded? Major corporations “buy” premium memberships to women’s groups. (It’s essentially what amounts to extortion.) If a corporation slips up somewhere the feminists will “work with them”, if they’re “bought it”. If it’s a corporation that does not “play”, the fangs come out. And the feminist press obligingly follows along.
It’s very similar to how the Better Business Bureau scam works. Oh, I’ll bet you thought they were an angelic organization fighting for the rights of the lowly uninformed consumer. HA HA HA
Follow the money.
ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.
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@GreyGhost
I personally think the MRM would be best aligned with the small ‘l’ libertarians. The current duopoly is really a two headed hydra – both heads will eat you just the same.
I used to want to believe in the political process, but no longer. History has shown that political classes always become tyrants. I realize there are many (most?) who cannot imagine a world with no ruling class – but I can.
I recently had an interesting conversation with Glenn Sacks and that was the opinion that I expressed to him – there is simply too much money in the game to expect that it will change. The feminization of amerika was accomplished through incremental-ism, it will not be taken back that way.
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This bitch has a majority seat on the senate appropriations committee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_Appropriations
This is one of the most powerful aspects of government and its infected with feminists. WTF? How did we get here?
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I have to wonder about the talk here about not hiring women. I might be wrong about this, but my understanding is that, unless you have a very small business with only a few employees (and that might mean five or less, depending on the jurisdiction), if you don’t hire women, you’ll be facing sex discrimination in hiring lawsuits. And you’ll have your hands full proving that you’re not guilty of sex discrimination.
As far as not being in a relationship with a woman, so far that’s still legal, as far as I know.
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The ruling elite must be broken. Otherwise the alternative will be a permanant male underclass. African american inner city style country with a few men living as alpha elites. Afew manginas and whiteknights with the vast majority of men living in second class squawler waiting to be arrested for some crime.
Last and worst of all would be the muslim way of terrorism or good old fashion civil war. Imagine the waste of good men on that one. poor bastards killing men fighting for freedom only to win second class citizenship.
Political power is where it is at. Just like game and women,the MRM must understand political power. As long as we are in a position of convincing those in power we are suffering unfairness, we will all forever suffer unfairness.
Like most MA’s you are so turned off by politics. I can see it in your post. This is where real courage and commitment come in. Glenn Sacks is in the political world and we all owe him big time.
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The US with its constitution was not supposed to have a ruling class. In general it doesn’t but as we get more and more socialist that is whats happening. It is human nature. That is the reason for the electoral college to prevent tyrany be the majority. Rule of law controls the ruling class. Rule of law does away with the “ism’s” Only men can make that happen and we here of the MRM have to believe In rule of law or there is no hope at all.
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I believe the magic number is 15. You can run a very successful business with 14 or fewer employees. That’s how Craigslist does it. In fact, I believe we should adopt some military terms and consider the ideal business size to be a “squad,” which is about exactly that size.
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What about the inland empire? Break away. You have the votes for a referrendum. Can’t see the Feds getting involved so long as it remains in the “union”
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A marine rifle squad is 13 men 1 leader and 3 fireteams of 4 men each. This maybe a way around the gender war on men. Small 5 -10 man businesses doing business with each other.
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Laura August 18, 2010 at 13:06
What these women don’t realize is that passing all these bills that supposedly protect women from their husbands is only making the women less desirable as wives. Also, this SAFE bill will make them less desirable as employees. I wish these women would stop acting like they are helping us because they really aren’t.
I don’t think those type of women passing those bills/legislations actually care about women. IMHO they had those things passed for their own protections, benefits and, agenda’s.
It appears they have abandoned “the ship” and are now sailing in their own yacht.
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Let’s face it, we all know that SAFE will be the law of the land soon.
And if it is, it might just be what ends feminism…
No, not because whiteknights will finally get a clue. Far from it..
Rather, it will cause even more outsourcing of jobs out of the US, resulting in further shrinkage of the tax base.
One thing that feminism cannot survive is a reduction in the tax base. Feminism is highly corelated to government spending. Spending is already way more than tax revenue, and further shrinkage in tax revenue will cause brutal corrections to this profligacy.
if you don’t hire women, you’ll be facing sex discrimination in hiring lawsuits
Outsource as much as you can to India and elsewhere. I am quite serious. This was Horseman #3 out of the Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation.
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Nutz August 18, 2010 at 13:12
Why isn’t VAWA and this SAFE bill challenged and funneled up to the Surpeme Court already? They’re stunningly clear violations of the Equal Protection Clause.
How many people are aware of that clause of the fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution? Not enough or they don’t consider it “pc” to discuss.
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TFH August 19, 2010 at 01:31
Let’s face it, we all know that SAFE will be the law of the land soon.
And if it is, it might just be what ends feminism…
No, not because whiteknights will finally get a clue. Far from it..
Rather, it will cause even more outsourcing of jobs out of the US, resulting in further shrinkage of the tax base.
One thing that feminism cannot survive is a reduction in the tax base. Feminism is highly corelated to government spending. Spending is already way more than tax revenue, and further shrinkage in tax revenue will cause brutal corrections to this profligacy.
if you don’t hire women, you’ll be facing sex discrimination in hiring lawsuits
Outsource as much as you can to India and elsewhere. I am quite serious. This was Horseman #3 out of the Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation.
If I were outsourcing, I would choose places where there is no feminism. India has feminism.
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Maybe I’m being naive, but I think this SAFE law can be stopped. Besides being unfair, it is stupid and I believe most of the general public would be able to see that. Most people are probably unaware of it.
VAWA has been challenged in the Supreme Court. Check out wikipedia.
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Welmer, it most certainly will affect him if he runs a moderate-sized business, or does business with one, or purchases materials (at inflated prices thanks to their higher costs) from one, etc., etc. These kinds of laws affect everyone at some level.
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VAWA, SAFE, IMBRA, title IX ,etc. as much as they are there to help woman they are very much in place to oppress men. You can bet your ass on that one. Look how the laws are set up starting with family law. Men have no parental rights. men have no rights against physical or emotional abuse. Through child support and alimony a man is legally abligated to pay for a woman for life. Reguardless of the reason for seperation. In florida there is a man paying alimony to an ex wife in prison for hiring a hit man to kill him.
Now lets take that to the work place. You will be sued for not hiring women so women are hired at gun piont now you have women on staff and they can take maternity leave,SAFE, or any other kind of bullshit and you still have to pay them or keep a position open for them. Bernard Chapin had an inferno about how now you have to promote women too. This is all done at government gunpoint. Not one woman will do anything to stop this. Another thing to notice about the femminist laws they are set up so violations are determined by the victum and how she feels. Every one is off balance and unsure. “Game” will be made into rape. It will be called rape by deception once it is brought up it will fly and it will stick. The country is in full economic crisis and the femminist entitlements are rolling off like all is good.
Do not think this is for the benefit of women it is primarily for the oppression of men.
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When I first started commenting on this site I made some statements that offended some of you. I said that we were all about “pissing and moaning” and not about doing anything. Some of you were very critical and informed me of how futile it was to try and organize or protest. Looking at it today I see you were right and I was wrong.
Let’s say we wanted to send a message to the political parties. We wanted to run a candidate in California or Washington. We know we can’t win but we know if we pull as little as 2 to 3 % of the vote we can claim credit causing one side to lose because they ignored us. Could we do this?
In a word no.
Even if we pulled all the resources we currently have from all the sources we can muster we could not organize enough to start a successful petition drive; we could not get enough signatures on a petition; we could not field a candidate or convince an established candidate to run; and we could not raise enough money to finance even the most feeble campaign. In fact we could not even organize enough to try. We will not organize to try. Our major strategy at this point is Passive Aggression. Don’t have anything to do with women and you won’t get hurt. Don’t make any effort and the “system” will fail.
That’s not the basis of a movement.
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A nasty little known secret. Patty was a shareholder in Real Networks. The early media player product. She made her money in Porn. That enabled her to pursue a political career. She is your classic Liberal, opportunist and fraud. She obviously hates Men. Considers us Sub Human and is a dim bulb. She is an Evil person. The Feminist David Duke only not as erudite or polished.
Do some digging into how she made her money. It makes for fascinating reading. She won’t let facts get in the way of her beliefs. As to the comment about Men refusing to marry. IMBRA is the smoking gun admission that Feminists must use government coercion to keep out non Feminized Foreign Women.
It basically says All American Men are criminals, abusers, and sexual predators. Who must be controlled and foreign Women protected from. Your government considers you a criminal if you are a male in the US. Never forget that. They codified it into law.
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greyghost,
Good point. These laws are used to serve the interests of women at the expense of men. That is the bottom line. I don’t understand why men don’t advocate for themselves the same way women have. If the argument against them is valid I don’t see why you wouldn’t see some of these laws change. You guys are at least as smart and capable as women at making a valid argument.
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How did women get so powerful that they are able to put on the books laws that seem essentially unconstitutional?
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Patti Murray: “The Cunt in Tennis Shoes”
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@GreyGhost
You ask men to put their faith in ‘the system’ that sold us out, a political class that has wiped their collective asses with the constitution at least since 1863, a class that even openly dismisses the constitution as quaint and antiquated. Do you really think appealing to these parasites will result in real change?
I believe it was Einstein who stated that doing things the same way and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity – doing things the same way and expecting a different result has created a collective insanity in this country. All due respect to Mr. Sacks whose work in ‘the system’ is to be commended, but I see only futility in begging our masters to free us.
The game needs to be changed radically. We cannot be paralyzed by the fears of those who engage in the logical fallacy of argumentum absurdum – tossing out the degeneration of becoming a Muslim society specter is the language of fear of the unknown.
What we have now we know does not work, will not work and cannot work – it is systemically flawed. It is truly time for a game changing paradigm – unless you like your chains and are willing to see your son’s and grandson’s wear them as well. Think out of the box society has trained you to stay in my friend . . . that is where change is to be found.
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Laura,
Because men allowed it
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304314/Father-kills-son-5-splitting-partner.html
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It really doesn’t matter how big or small your business is. All your local EEOC representative needs is a complaint to be filed against you for alleged discrimination of any kind and they’re obligated to investigate the charge. Now typically they’re going to focus on the bigger fish in the pond as a priority, especially publicly traded “name” companies that have much more at stake PR wise.
A woman could ostensibly file a complaint against a small business that employed all males. If say they employ 10 guys, the EEOC will look at local demographics and hiring trends for that type of business. If statistically the EEOC determines that the employer should have at least 20% women they’ll “recommend” the company take some action. It’s doubtful this would ever happen unless the employer openly tells employees and applicants that he refuses to hire women. That’s where the big trouble can start. The EEOC can take this to court but usually the employer will commit to take action so as to avoid the negative PR.
The EEOC will take it upon themselves to actively meet with employers that have 50 or more employees, as an employer with that many workers that has no females, (or blacks, etc.) will show up as blip on their radar screen. But its not just numbers anymore. They’ll want to see a “balance” of women in management as well. Again, this never gets to the legal stage because companies will want to avoid the negative PR that goes with that like the plague.
True. It’s these employment (and environmental) labor law regulations that have played a big part in our current jobs situation. It’s not just outsourcing of manufacturing anymore. It’s engineering, finance, even marketing and HR. Corporate headquarters will remain here where the executives wives want to live and to appear “American based”, but really the labor pool is foreign.
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3DShooter,
I can understand why you are disgusted by the whole system, but that is what needs to change. Unless you are willing to live completely by yourself in the woods somewhere you have a stake in society. This Patty and her supporters are not all powerful. The problem with the men’s rights movement is that it is digging itself out of a hole. It is very hard to get a law like VAWA overturned once it is passed. If public opinion changes, which seems to be happening, I don’t see why things like child custody, child support, VAWA, etc. won’t change as well.
All these articles celebrating women’s new success and earning power only strengthen the argument that men should no longer have any financial obligation to them in the event of divorce. Let her pay him alimony and see how much she likes it.
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3Dshooter this is the hard part. You have found what is wrong. Any Ideas on what is right. Too many MRA’s have no where to go and have lost faith. The truely frightening part of these times and the opportunity of these times is this. We are the ones this is our moment in history. This is what it looks like. We/you are the system to have faith in in these times. Scarey as fuckin hell isn’t it. This is a subject all MRA blogs avoid. It is so easy to talk down but the courage to take a position and make it work is hard.
Any ideas 3Dshooter?
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khankrumbulgar–
I hate Patty too, but get your facts straight: it was her colleague Maria Cantwell who was a player in Real Networks. During the interregnum between the time she lost her house seat and was “elected” (in the same way Al Franken was) to the senate she signed on with Real and I used to get junk e-mails from them in the late 90s from her as senior VP.
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Laura August 19, 2010 at 07:04
How did women get so powerful that they are able to put on the books laws that seem essentially unconstitutional?
The power that ordinary women have been “given” came with many strings attached or, if you prefer, on loan with high interest rates. Feminists know how to play women. They’ve been playing on women’s emotions all along. It is easier for some woman to play other women because those women trust each other more than they trust any man.
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Can I just take a moment to say Aaargh! ?
I know it’s sort of off topic, but all this talk of which Political Party to associate with is silly, and counterproductive…
What did the Feminist movement do that was so critical to their success?
They were a Counter-Culture, Rebeliious-Youth movement, that prided itself on giving ‘the Establishment’ the finger. You want the MRM to get popular?
Get rap artists and AltRock bands to take up the cause. Show young men the idiocy bent on destroying them, then give them a path to change it (and try and make it a ‘poke your finger in the eye of Da Man’ path if you want success). Laugh at the people who try and ‘correct’ you, and tell them that you’re done putting up with their controlling behaviour, and if they don’t like it then tough shit.
Make the MRM a true CounterCulture Revolution, and we will become popular.
Continue to be a bunch of pencil-pushing geeks whining and casting about for political alllies, and we will slowly, but surely, be sublimated and co-opted until we are essentially vaporized.
That’s my view.
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@Laura
With all due respect, you are still thinking inside the box.
The word ‘society’ is a collectivist term for an abstraction which is a mere facade for the use of coercion and force. To defer to ‘society’ is the antithesis of liberty – which is really the root of the problem and not just for the MRM.
The abstraction referred to as ‘society’ has no more claim on an individual’s liberty than the person standing next to you in the check-out line and you don’t have to live by yourself off in the woods to come to that realization.
If we truly had freedom and liberty there would be no need for a MRM – that is what has to change. And it isn’t going to happen using collectivist means or thinking.
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Laura, sweetums.
It takes money to organize and mount these campaigns.
The feminist machine is funded, to this day, by Rockefeller, Ford (not the car company family) and major corporations. They have well staffed headquarters in DC within walking distance of the white house, capital building and supreme court. They maintain satelite operations in most major cities and universities around the country. Feminism is a not-for-profit INDUSTRY!
The only reason men’s rights gains any traction at all is the internet and it’s ubiquitious reach. The internet is free. Lawyers, PR experts, office workers, lobbyists, phones, rent, etc., costs millions to sustain. Women are gaining this power, at the expense of trampling men, because they have a voice, they’re the biggest special interest cuntsituency that has ever existed. To say its a “David and Goliath” situation would be an understatement. It’s why so many men simply give up and GTOW. Society as a whole, including reasonable women, will need to realize what’s happening before there can be change.
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Alright, but we do have to live within the law. Anyway, 200 years ago we had the Whiskey Rebellion and today we have ridiculous laws like SAFE getting put through.
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@Laura
Not picking on you but the statement “Alright, but we do have to live within the law” is an example of the logical fallacy of ‘appeal to authority’.
I’ll leave you with the words of Frederic Bastiat to hopefully inspire some out-of-the-box thinking:
“The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish!”
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Looks like we have our work cut out for huh fellas. Factoryu in my opinion was dead on. Waiting around for political allies is a mistake. The political will come to us and plead for us. Get them, infiltrate and take over a political group or party. Get after the so called neo-con media. Call on air shows and make misandry a topic. That will make a more main stream opening. Nothing raises more hell than a mens group that excludes women that everyone is aware of.
Laura men naturally take care of women and children. Chivalry is a code of conduct amonst men. Feminist “power’ was freely given to help women. now it has become law enforced with death. Men will have to change it. And only men can change it. The evil of what is going on is clearly evident by the comments made here. The men here would rather stick to themselves and as they say GTOW than really fight. That is why when men here refer to woman as cunts and bitches and whore or stupid and clueless I have no real worries. I have more faith in a man theat speaks like that than any woman that post here. Men will always leave an intact civilization. That is the nature of the beta male. as much as feminist hate men and pass laws to destroy men at every level in society. They will always maintain a full vocabulary of shaming language to continue to enjoy the life giving power of the beta male.
We men here at the spearhead are the political power to lead the change.
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I vaguely remember seeing an interview with the prosecutor in the Lorena Bobbit case saying he felt sorry for Lorena when she started to cry on the witness stand. She cut off a man’s penis and he feels sorry for her.
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@ Laura,
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-date-in-history-lorena-bobbitt.html
A post you might like to read.
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Well this is a sad commentary. Women passing laws to create havoc. It’s been said the stupidity of mankind. Women are part of mankind.
I’ll just stand and gesture there you go.
I am not impressed how things have degenerated.
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Thanks Snark. This man feeling sorry for Lorena is in some ways a normal human emotion. Celebrating her crime is just sick.
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You have to try it, or at least die tryin’
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The best lawyers are men. You just need to get them on your side.
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People are needed to oppose those laws such as SAFE. rather than trying, do what is needed.
Stand up and say no.
And a few adequate women need to organize and help topple that stupid law (SAFE) from becoming law.
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) (keyster)
– Young Mr. TK has the right idea. Becoming informed (by doing a little digging), informing others and then writing his elected rep.
TK, it was a good, sincere, heartfelt personal letter with a little end-run scenarios to boot. Hopefully you get an acknowledgement letter in return. As for making improvements – who’s to say what works, but here is a little formula I came across a while ago.
When writing your elected representative: Breifly contain everything you wish to say in the first paragraph so that, if he, by chance, reads your letter with what little time he has, your position is well understood in that little time.
Do not threaten him/them with taking your vote elsewhere to those other parties come next election (unless it is patty murray herself).
Then offer brief recommendations. Provide him/them with a solution. Some may agree with you and are looking for a way to solve a problem created by those ‘other’ people.
Letters such as these needn’t be longer than 8-10 sentenses, 3 brief paragraphs. Always include your real name, address and phone # (get a p.o.box and cell phone if you wish not to be physically located).
– Furthermore to what TK has initiated. Pamphleteering is anonymous.
(Hey, there used to be some guy with this very blog name, Anonymous Pamphleteer, on Glenn Sacks blog. Maybe he is still around). And the target base is wide. Simply address the problem one wishes others to know [SAFE] and then tell people what is wrong with the issue. (ie. “Tax payer and employer assisted funding for women only so she can get paid to deal with her marital break-up (and one that she likely initiated)”. Throw in a little D/V and other info w/referenceS.
Home based computers and printers plus the neighbourhood Kinkos can work wonders. The battle for peoples’ minds can be won effectively with the truth and done with miniscule budgets all over N.America. The Goliath propaganda budget tripped up and shamed by the regionally based pocket change one.
I’d like to say a few words about that ?senator? (she’s a senator, for god’s sake??) but intrinsically vacuous is too kind and doesn’t entirely cut it. Informing and supporting the other choice is.
The bottomless pit of self worship among female “representatives” is wondrously sickening. They just haven’t a clue outside their own little clueless solipsist domain, it appears. Hopefully ‘they’ don’t drag down the rest of us with them.
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Robert,
If I were outsourcing, I would choose places where there is no feminism. India has feminism.
For some perspective, the amount of feminism in India is about the same as was in the US in 1950.
a) Divorce rate is under 10%
b) Women have 0-1 sex partners before marriage
c) There is no alimony or CS
d) Divorce is not ‘no-fault’.
The ‘feminism’ in India amounts to affirmative action in schools and government, women-only compartments in trains, and a couple of obscure laws like 498A which, while abused, are very, very tiny in usage compared to VAWA. None of that is a daily threat to the average man’s well-being.
There is certainly not a culture of misandry, nor a situation where widespread financial ruin of men is happening on a no-fault basis, in India. The average married man in India has the same freedom as an American man did in 1950.
India is as male-friendly of a place as you can get without the other extreme (burqa societies, where Beta males never get a wife anyway). In India, the abortion of female babies due to a preference of boys is actually a tragic problem.
Some perspective is in order here, before you say that ‘India has feminism’ to any degree that exists in the US or UK.
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The political thing is like a nuclear explosion; it takes a certain critical mass to set it off; after that it’s a done deal and it can’t be stopped. We need to demonstrate that we can field candidates that cause someone else to lose; that gets us attention and that gets us heard. We only need to show a large enough support for MR’s topics like custody reform to have some clout. I’m not talking about candidates that lean a little in our direction I’m talking about one or few issue candidates that hammer the issue so there’s no doubt where their vote came from. But we can’t have loud mouths that don’t look rational or make us look like ass holes. If we can reach that point we will leap ahead.
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The Feminist David Duke
That needs to be put on flyers in all the men’s rooms in all major convention centers and office buildings in the Seattle area.
Add a couple of other sentences to the flyer for explanation, and tape it over the urinals at any major convention center during a big conference.
It could sway a few thousand votes. Being in the men’s room, feminists will not know about it (even if manginas will).
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This is happening a little bit around me, on the local rock radio station in my area they have a mens day wensday. One of the popular radio jocks bashes women all the time. One of the main problems with this is how women control freakin everything, from the vote to what music reaches the top ten. MTV and VH1 aren’t even about music anymore, it’s female fantasy incarnate.
I just got back to this thread, and ive already sent emails to the guy from texas and my state reps. The last few times I did this I just got a thank you note and please vote for me dismissal but if we swamp their email boxes with this info then they will either have to listen or they might not get elected again.
Really, we need term limits for congress, so many of these assholes don’t even need to pander to the people cause they have big corporate in their pockets, or maybe their in the corporate pockets. It’s strange how the conservative right and feminist left come together over every anti male issue.
They do this cause women have more votes than men. If every man in america voted for person a and every woman for person b, then person b would get elected everytime.
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That woman in the photo, what is she fretting about? Ah, I know, sombody stole her burqa in she is singing a protest song! How “western” of her.
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TFH August 19, 2010 at 16:31
Robert,
If I were outsourcing, I would choose places where there is no feminism. India has feminism.
For some perspective, the amount of feminism in India is about the same as was in the US in 1950.
a) Divorce rate is under 10%
b) Women have 0-1 sex partners before marriage
c) There is no alimony or CS
d) Divorce is not ‘no-fault’.
The ‘feminism’ in India amounts to affirmative action in schools and government, women-only compartments in trains, and a couple of obscure laws like 498A which, while abused, are very, very tiny in usage compared to VAWA. None of that is a daily threat to the average man’s well-being.
There is certainly not a culture of misandry, nor a situation where widespread financial ruin of men is happening on a no-fault basis, in India. The average married man in India has the same freedom as an American man did in 1950.
India is as male-friendly of a place as you can get without the other extreme (burqa societies, where Beta males never get a wife anyway). In India, the abortion of female babies due to a preference of boys is actually a tragic problem.
Some perspective is in order here, before you say that ‘India has feminism’ to any degree that exists in the US or UK.
As I see it, any place that has feminism is too risky to outsource jobs.
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We would all be wise to consider the Paycheck Fairness Act which is on the horizon. I think the real goal behind much of this is pro business. This law and other “equality laws” are simply designed to drive down wages and marginalize the working class.
We should really consider why such a law would be passed in such a dire economic climate as this. The reason is because it is pro business. Suffice as to say that it can be called the Paycheck Sameness Act. It is the classic divide and conquer strategy, in fact it has been all along with “women’s equality”.
You turn the labor force against itself and make it a liability against itself. You can use women to divide and conquer in this fashion. This act is not meant to bring wages up, it is intended to bring them down and furthermore to stratify the workforce between hired workers and contract \ temps.
It will serve to push a large portion of the labor pool under the roof of outsourcing companies i.e. contract and temp companies. Once you control and monopolize the labor pool you control wages. This has in fact been the goal of multinational corporations in the United States for some time now..This has been the goal of globalization.
?”I see in the near future a crisis
approaching that unnerves me and causes
me to tremble for the safety of my country;
corporations have been enthroned, an era
of corruption in High Places will follow, and
the Money Power of the Country will
endeavor to prolong its reign by working
upon the prejudices of the People, until the
wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and
the Republic is destroyed”
-President Abraham Lincoln
Take a look… Wages Vs. Productivity.. A Separation
Distribution of Wealth Plutocracy Reborn
Wages separated from productivity some 40 years ago. The middle class is being increasingly marginalized. If we do not take control of these issues and restore policy back to the American people we are going to witness something catastrophic. The United States is headed for collapse and Revolutionary civil war if we do not take action as individuals and as a people.
It is already happening. Political, economic and social instability will become more and more pronounced. I fear that if we do not act now, our country is headed for something more atrocious than many Americans can possibly imagine. I am greatly concerned for the future of our nation.
We must establish control of our government back to the people with diligence, passion and great haste. We don’t have much time. We must shrink the size and reach of government and banish it from our personal lives. We must restore Liberty, Freedom and Independence!
Centralized powers of the Federal Government must be removed at once. It is the individual states that are supposed to have all the power, it is the people at the local level. The states themselves are supposed to be separate and sovereign but united by the BASIC foundational infrastructure of the Federal Government.
James Madison wrote in The Federalist #45:
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will for the most part be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people; and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”
We must restore our Constitutional Republic!
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When Lincoln said the following
“the Money Power of the Country will
endeavor to prolong its reign by working
upon the prejudices of the People until the
wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and
the Republic is destroyed”
When he spoke of “working upon the prejudices of the people” he meant such things as feminism would be used to divide and conquer us, to destroy us.
The Bolsheviks did the same thing with women during the Communist Revolution. They knew that if they could divide and conquer men and women they could conquer the people. Feminism was one of if not the most prominent instrument of the Communists.
Here is a feminist poster from the Communist Revolution
Here is a time line of feminist thinkers. Alexandra Kollontai headed up the Zhenotdel or the Women’s Department of the Russian Communist Party, i.e. what is equivalent to the new Council On Women and Girls. The feminists have been installed into our Federal Government. Our country is in grave danger! Women are the key to our usurpation as a people. We must confront allegations of class oppression WHEN EVER AND WHERE EVER men are accused of it!
We must inform women that their innate natures are being used against us. However I fear that it is to much a part of her. As such we must raise awareness among our Countrymen. WE MUST CONTINUE TO FORM RANKS. WE MUST THINK, SPEAK AND ACT!!!!
“Then it will be plain that the first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into public industry, and that this in turn demands that the characteristic of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society be abolished.” -Frederick Engels
“Anyone who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without feminine upheaval. Social progress can be measured exactly by the social position of the fair sex, the ugly ones included.”
-Karl Marx
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When Lincoln said the following
“the Money Power of the Country will
endeavor to prolong its reign by working
upon the prejudices of the People until the
wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and
the Republic is destroyed”
When he spoke of “working upon the prejudices of the people” he meant such things as feminism would be used to divide and conquer us, to destroy us.
The Bolsheviks did the same thing with women during the Communist Revolution. They knew that if they could divide and conquer men and women they could conquer the people. Feminism was one of if not the most prominent instrument of the Communists.
Here is a feminist poster from the Communist Revolution
Here is a time line of feminist thinkers. Alexandra Kollontai headed up the Zhenotdel or the Women’s Department of the Russian Communist Party, i.e. what is equivalent to the new Council On Women and Girls. The feminists have been installed into our Federal Government. Our country is in grave danger! Women are the key to our usurpation as a people. We must confront allegations of class oppression WHEN EVER AND WHERE EVER men are accused of it!
We must inform women that their innate natures are being used against us. However I fear that it is to much a part of her. As such we must raise awareness among our Countrymen. WE MUST CONTINUE TO FORM RANKS. WE MUST THINK, SPEAK AND ACT!!!!
“Then it will be plain that the first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into public industry, and that this in turn demands that the characteristic of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society be abolished.” -Frederick Engels
“Anyone who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without feminine upheaval. Social progress can be measured exactly by the social position of the fair sex, the ugly ones included.”
-Karl Marx
—Sorry for the duplicate comment, the other is awaiting moderation. The moderator is welcome to deny it should this one post….Thank you.
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red0660 August 20, 2010 at 23:20
We would all be wise to consider the Paycheck Fairness Act which is on the horizon. I think the real goal behind much of this is pro business. This law and other “equality laws” are simply designed to drive down wages and marginalize the working class.
I am going to guess there will be some women of the lower classes, who will be affected by this. Remember what i said about feminists abandoning ” the ship”?
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The majority of those affected will be the main targets; men.
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Looks like she’s down in the newest poll!
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As I see it, any place that has feminism is too risky to outsource jobs.
Robert,
That is a pretty unthinking statement. Do you know nothing about the concept of degrees? Do you actually think Pakistan has the same amount of feminism as the US?
So you would only outsource jobs to Saudi Arabia, out of the whole world? Oh wait, Saudi Arabia has a tiny bit of feminism too.
Your statement is exceptionally unthinking and un-nuanced. Get a clue.
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I don’t think it’s a good idea to outsource jobs. Don’t you want to help your own countrymen ? Just try to get around hiring women if you find them to be too much trouble.
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My name is John Lukas. I run http://wadvpress.org . And yes, we are male friendly. That doesn’t mean that we don’t recognize ALL injustices, however. My area of expertise is domestic violence, which is used as a political agenda in many areas and arenas. I know all of the tricks and I have current lawsuits against the DSHS and their DV programs, which will be successful
I just wanted to drop a quick note and thank you for stopping by my website. Feel free to contact me with any related questions that you might have.
I’m not necessarily against feminism, but I’m definitely and solidly against the gender-feminism which has hijacked many projects politically. Their agenda needs to be publicized, challenged and STOPPED.
Title 9 dictates that gender should not be an issue. I believe that also includes men.
John Lukas
http://wadvpress.org
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I don’t think it’s a good idea to outsource jobs.
Laura, you clearly know nothing about how business works. If your competitor outsources and gets a cost advantage, he beats you.
Then again, women don’t understand cause and effect very well.
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Thanks Keyster
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1) It’s not just women who think that outsourcing jobs is a bad idea
2) obviously it would be to the company’s detriment for them to be one of the few companies which does not outsource – that still doesn’t make it good for American people who need jobs, uh, here, in America, and not in Mexico, India, or the Philippines – but had so many large American companies been a little less greedy and placed greater value on being American, there wouldn’t be pressure on other companies to outsource. Did that really need explaining? or were you just jumping on the chance to insult her?
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Laura wrote :
THF said:
Oh, okay, nevermind – you were just looking for a excuse to an insult a woman.
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@ Welmer:
She looks like a complete crazy – do you happen to know whether it looks like she has pretty good odds to win it?
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First of all we need to recognize that these companies that are supposedly American are multinational in scope. They don’t give a rats ass about American wages or jobs.
The corporate-fascist government toldus that globalization es good for us and we believed their lies. It made them record profits while wages have been driven down along with jobs and a sovereign and functional diverse economy.
That is why our governments is to large, to corrupt to centralized AND OUT OF CONTROL! There needs to be an uprising in this country. The middle class is systematicly being destroyed.
And about the response to Laura’s comment, condescending and insulting behavior is unwarranted toward anyone here. We are all very passionate about these issues but let’s not let it get the best of us. In fact this asset seems to be unique to men and allows us to engage in civil intellectual discourse. I can not say the same for our opponents. We must stick to our strengths of character as men and not devolve into rabid emotional behavior toward our opponents. This is not about them it is about us which is then about them vicariously. Don’t fall prey, give them no quarter but maintain our honor.
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First of all we need to recognize that these companies that are supposedly American are multinational in scope. They don’t give a rats ass about American wages or jobs.
The corporate-fascist government toldus that globalization es good for us and we believed their lies. It made them record profits while wages have been driven down along with jobs and a sovereign and functional diverse economy.
That is why our governments is to large, to corrupt to centralized AND OUT OF CONTROL! There needs to be an uprising in this country. The middle class is systematicly being destroyed.
And about the response to Laura’s comment, condescending and insulting behavior is unwarranted toward anyone here. We are all very passionate about these issues but let’s not let it get the best of us. In fact this asset seems to be unique to men and allows us to engage in civil intellectual discourse. I can not say the same for our opponents. We must stick to our strengths of character as men and not devolve into rabid emotional behavior toward our opponents. This is not about them it is about us which is then about them vicariously. Don’t fall prey, give them no quarter but maintain our honor.
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I’m planning to leave the US just because of this. This economy is gone, not coming back, and stuff like this is why.
How Capitalism works, 101: people pay you according to how much they value your goods and services. If you have people under you making goods and services for you, you pay them based on how much you value their ability to create goods and services that people will pay you for. So if you have 10 people under you making pies and selling them for 10 bucks a pop, you might pay each one of them 5 bucks for every pie they sell.
Of course, there seems to be a bit of confusion in this day and age as to where the money comes from. In the old days, it was understood that the money came from…drum roll please…the money that customers paid the people for providing for them. You sell 10 bucks of pie, I take the 10, buy ingreedients, pay utilities, buy utensils, advertise, that srt of thing, keep some for myself for profit, and give you the remainder for your hard work. However, your money ultimately came from you and what you made. If you hadn’t made any pie, I wouldn’t be giving you any dough *badumdum!*
Today, there seems to be this illusion that money comes from a leprachaun or something somewhere, that you can just keep pulling money out of infinitely. In today’s system, everyone is entitled to 5 dollars per pie…EVEN IF THEY AREN’T SELLING ANY PIE!!! So if you have 10 employees, and 5 of them don’t do squat, anymore you’re still expected to pay each of these people 5 dollars for pies sold. And these aren’t loans or IOU’s or anything, which are bad enough, but might concievably be paid back if our other five pie makers were honest people who just had a run of bad luck. This is free money. Doesn’t take a math genius to see that the five people who are selling pies are just wasting their time, and no one will ever profit in this scenario.
The whole economy seems to be this scenario. And we’re talking about staying ahead of the Chinese economy. Yeah right: capitalism broke out unaided in a traffic jam over there not too long ago: meanwhile, we here in the US are paying women for being pregnant, abused, absent, everything but actually working, which as I just described, is where money comes from.
This ship is sinking, I’m done bailing water, I’ve seen countless men before me drown trying to do it, I’m not following them.
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The MRA community needs to publish a list of the most male friendly and thus family friendly countries.
Correct, this is the purpose of The Paycheck Fairness Act (The Paycheck Sameness Act) Yes in a free market capitalist economy there is something called a raise where a worker with the same job titlecan gain a higher wage if they produce more or have been loyal to the company. Wages can also be negotiated. Women have decided that the free market and capitalism is unfair because they have been told they get paid less for the same job.
Under the paycheck fairness act it is better to pay everyone the same so women won’t sue and destroy the company. Under this system it is best to do away with loyalty incentive raises because it would be best to mitigate the liabilities women bring to the workplace by outsourcing. It is best to do away with raises because the workers higher productivity has to be measureable and presentable in a court of law when women begin to sue, and they will sue I have no doubt about that.They will sue in great numbers.
Again the best way to mitigate risk under this law is to communize the wages with no negotiation upon hire and no raises. Again it is best just to end the job overseas or outsource, that way you can take the extra money the company will earn by the outsourced and monopolized labor pool and thu@ pay your hired core of workers the same but pay them well.
The whole point of the paycheck fairness act is to monopolize the lower labor class under the one roof of contract temp companies to drive down wages. It will create an underclass of workers and stratify the labor force between core infrastructure hires and temp workers. Once women pass this law not only will companies have no choice but this will be profitable for them as well.
Women don’t have a clue about any of this. I don’t think they understand economics, the global economy or basic business sense. This law is not pro labor it is pro business and this is why they are speaking about passing such laws during such dire economic times. It serves to divide the labor force against itself.
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trent13,
Did that really need explaining?
Your knowledge of economics is poor. A business has no obligation but to survive against competitors and generate profits. If one competitor outsources, all the others have to as well.
It is America’s obligation to make sure that costs in the US stay competitive enough to make employers want to stay here. Blocking nonsense life SAFE, Obamacare, etc. would help. The burden of ‘being American’ does not fall on business.
Got it?
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TFH August 21, 2010 at 19:15
As I see it, any place that has feminism is too risky to outsource jobs.
Robert,
That is a pretty unthinking statement. Do you know nothing about the concept of degrees? Do you actually think Pakistan has the same amount of feminism as the US?
So you would only outsource jobs to Saudi Arabia, out of the whole world? Oh wait, Saudi Arabia has a tiny bit of feminism too.
Your statement is exceptionally unthinking and un-nuanced. Get a clue.
Did I compare feminism in Pakistan or any other nation to that in the U.S.?
Did I say I would outsource any jobs to Saudi Arabia?
I don’t think my statement was unthinking. I have no desire to support feminism. Would you outsource jobs to Sweden?
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My point is I would rather outsource jobs where there isn’t any feminism. I didn’t get to post the next comment which was; since the doesn’t seem to be anyplace that doesn’t have some type of feminist presence, I would choose a place where feminism has the least presence and, do my best to prevent feminism from further developement there. I am well aware of the kinds of evils that an influx of prosperity can bring/cause.
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Robert,
You are changing the subject. We never talked about Sweden, we talked about India.
You make the blanket, unthinking, and uninformed statement that you would ‘not want to outsource jobs to India because India has feminism’. I corrected you that the level of feminism that India has is so far below that of the US that to compare the two is absurd.
Yet you didn’t revise your belief.
Outsourcing to low-cost countries will be done, most of whom (India, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc.) have virtually no ‘feminism’ in a Western sense.
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Not even subvertly? I find that hard to believe seeing as there is the presence of ” we the men” there.
http://wethemen.us/
MyNation.net (Founder of Mens online movement)
Pirito Purush Pati Parishad (Kolkata)
Purush Hakka Sanrakshan Samiti (Nasik)
Asha Kiran (Bangalore)
Pariwarik Suraksha Sanstha (New Delhi)
Gender Human Rights Society (New Delhi) http://www.ghrs.in
Protect Indian Family (Mumbai)
Sangyabalya (Bangalore)
Save Indian Family (many cities in India)
Sahana [Hyderabad]
All India Men’s Welfare Association (AIMWA)[Hyderabad/Bangalore]
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http://womensissues.about.com/od/feminismequalrights/a/FeminisminIndia.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/b/2008/04/24/feminism-in-india.htm
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There is only so much it can do in regards to ensuring employers want to stay here, either by creating litigation or blocking it. It doesn’t change the fact that it will always be more cost effective to produce goods in a third world country v. in the United states (unless the United States ends up approaching the economies of third world countries – always a possibility). And you have a very rapacious view of business – I’m sure you would/are very successful- on the other hand, I wouldn’t put much faith in the ethics of your business practices considering that you believe American businesses are under no obligation to keep American interests in mind.
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I’m this when this is for my advantage, i’m that when that is for my advantage…. How you call it? Double-dealing i think…
I’m so fuckin’ sick of that.
There’s only one feminism, and that one is definetely rotten to the core.
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LesLie Silerman on what committee that over saw the EEOC who was the sub committee chair???
FYI, hired as partner from the start what did she do to start as a partner??? Where did she work at last three jobs??? SEE BELOW and read the below comment on: Roy Tarpley Jr v. NBA/Dallas Mavericks???? Leslie E. Silverman is a Partner in the Labor & Employment Law Department, resident in the Washington, D.C. office, and a co-head of the Employment Law Counseling & Training and Government Relations & Contract Compliance Groups. She counsels and advises clients on complying with workplace laws, dealing with government agencies and on a wide range of workplace issues, including diversity and recruitment and retention programs. Leslie served as the Vice Chair of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission until September 2008, and as a member of the Commission starting in 2002. As a member of the EEOC, Leslie oversaw the development and approval of enforcement policies, authorized litigation, and issued Commissioner’s charges of discrimination. While at the Commission, Leslie initiated and led the EEOC?s Systemic Task Force which examined the EEOC?s efforts at combating systemic discrimination. In April 2006, the Commission unanimously adopted the Task Force?s recommendations. Based on those recommendations, the EEOC launched a comprehensive, nationwide systemic program. Leslie also helped spearhead the Commission?s examination of discrimination against workers with caregiving responsibilities, co-chairing two Commission meetings on the subject in early 2007. This effort culminated in the issuance of new EEOC enforcement guidance on the issue. During her tenure on the Commission, Leslie also led an effort to expand and enhance the EEOC?s mediation program in partnership with the American Bar Association. Leslie is a member of the Center for Worklife Law?s Family Responsibilities Discrimination Management Brain Trust and has served as an EEO expert in other private-sector diversity initiatives, including the Center for Work-Life Policy?s ?Hidden Brain Drain? Task Force, which focuses on the retention and advancement of women and minority employees; the Society for Human Resource Management?s 2008 Leadership Summit on Diversity and Inclusion Issues in the 21st Century; and the World Diversity Leadership Summit, as well as on a special expert?s panel charged with addressing gender diversity at the United Nations. In 2008, Leslie was a member of the U.S. Delegation to the United Nations? Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination in Geneva. Immediately prior to joining the Commission, Leslie served for five years as Labor Counsel to the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee under Chairman James M. Jeffords and Ranking Member Judd Gregg. As Labor Counsel, Leslie was responsible for the oversight of the EEOC and the Department of Labor, and for handling all employment discrimination, Fair Labor Standards Act, and Family Medical Leave Act legislation on behalf of the Committee. From 1990 to 1997, she was an employment law and litigation associate with a Washington, D.C.-based law firm. Leslie is a frequent speaker on EEO law and the EEOC, both in the United States and abroad.
Proskauer Rose LLP Top Law Firm in Country represented NBA and Dallas Mavericks in the Roy Tarpley Jr case. General counsel for the NBA Mr. Gans who threaten me during the pre-determination phase of the investigation that if I (EEOC) went reasonable cause against NBA then they will have Chair Earp-Campbell brought before Congress and betten-up for same. I told Mr. Gans I didn’t care the facts show reasonable cause and know matter what he threatened it wouldn’t change. After that the fix was in for NBA and Dallas Mavericks. Commissioner Silverman called Nancy Boyd Deputy Director of EEOC-NYDO to undermine the conciliation. Nancy Boyd had Trial Attorney Michael O’Brien call Mr. Gans and ask for a new position statement because the first one wasn’t credible. Spencer H. Lewis District Director then tried to negotiate with Proskauer Rose LLP directly. Then Chair of the EEOC Earp-Campbell had her Admin Asst conduct the conciliation. The fix was in not to litigate the Roy Tarpley Jr v. NBA and Dallas Mavericks. Once the complaint was amended to add Dallas Mavericks Proskauer Rose/Mr. Gans represented Dallas Mavericks also. Conciliation failed and the right to sue was issued. Former EEOC Vice Chair Leslie Silverman to Join Proskauer Rose in Washington, D.C. … Proskauer Rose. Now we understand!!!
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/48497539/Ricardo-Jones-v-Jacqueline-Berriens-et-al
Why has the EEOC’s attorney Asst US Attorney for the southern district of NY sealed the above lawsuit?
What are they hiding???
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US Attorney General Office (Eric Holder Esq) and US Attorney for the Southern District of NY cover-up fraud in the Governemnt. Seal the evidence against the Roque attorneys at the EEOC who work for the Justice Dept. Friends protecting Friends???
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51780072
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50777732
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One of America’s deep and darkest secrets is employment discrimination in the workplace.
Individuals all across the country are complaining about employment discrimination by going to the EEOC and filing charges of discrimination. Mr. Ishimaru then acting chair of EEOC shouldn’t be worried about how the Agency will handle race (Black) charges in the future. EEOC’s statistical data shows that it is doing a miserable job in the present to eradicate employment discrimination in the workplace. During the past 13 years from FY 1997 through FY 2009 race and sex charges represents most of the charges filed with the EEOC. An analysis of the EEOC’s all statutes enforced by the Agency (Title VII, ADA, ADEA, & EPA) shows that for the period FY 1997 to 2009, it received approximately 1,066,225 charges of which it issued 683,803 (64.1) “No Reasonable Cause” findings and 68,028 (6.4%) “Reasonable Cause” findings. The statistics just for FY 2009 shows that EEOC received 93.277 charges of discrimination. Of these figures it issued 52,360 (69.9%) “No Reasonable Cause” findings and 3,904 (4.5%) “Reasonable Cause” findings. EEOC for FY-2010 received 99.922 charges of which it issued 67,520 (64.3%) “No Reasonable Cause” findings and 4,981 (4.7%) “Reasonable Cause” findings. EEOC would like to make the general public believe it is “slamming” and “jamming,” when it comes to protecting the civil rights of aggrieved individuals. However, its statistics tells a different story. The statistical data are available on the Agency’s website at http://www.eeoc.gov. Ms. Berrien the current chair of EEOC answer to the above??? Each investigator dismiss 50 extra complaints on top of what investigators were dismissing anyway.
EEOC is a advocate for corporate american. There’s a conspiracy between government lawyers and respondent law firms ie: Jackson Lewis/Proskauer Rose and many others. They create work and fix decisions for personal gain. Chair of the EEOC Ms. Berrien was confirmed (by senator Tom Harkin) now she must dismiss all Black complaints and others. The corrupt EEOC union has now withdrawn their ULP against same to FLRA. The ULP(questioned the timing of extra (50) dismissals per investigator) and FLRA is a joke to start with. Denial and/or dismissing all race(Black)discrimination complaints nationwide won’t save the economy. If this criminal action was done to any other group but Black people the public wouldn’t accept this governmental misconduct ie: SEC, SALLY MAE. So much illegal money and positions both government and private sector are involved.
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This is a petition for Congress to investigate EEOC and reinstate Mr. Ricardo Jones, to the position he held at the time of his release with full back benefits and full back pay.
http://petitiontoinvestigate.blogspot.com
This is a petition for Congress to investigate EEOC and reinstate Mr. Ricardo Jones, to the position he held at the time of his release with full back benefits and full back pay.
The evidence in the petition links to the Ricardo Jones story and links to a State agency that has been wasting millions of dollars and man hours on an Anti-Union schemes and a cover-up schemes linked to a conflict of interest, specifically Mr. Thomas Perez, now the Assistant Attorney General, of the Civil Rights Division, for the DOJ
If you have info to add to this request for an investigation of EEOC by U.S. CONGRESS let us know …NOW IS THE TIME
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