In NY Times, July 22: A study that surveyed over 1,600 young men and women found that trouble in relationships is more harmful to young men than women. Wake Forest sociology professor Robin W. Simon and Florida State sociologist Anne E. Barrett say “It appears that young men benefit more than women from support, and that they are more harmed than women by strain in ongoing romantic relationships.” According to Ms. Simon, what is really sad is that women are only bothered by being single, and seem to derive the same benefit from being in a relationship whether it is troublesome or not.
Could it be because the young women are most frequently the cause of the trouble in relationships?
The author of the NY Times article makes light of young men’s plight, writing “pity the men, their anguish so long overlooked…”
Interestingly, the study found that older men do not have the same trouble as their younger counterparts, suggesting that, over time, female behavior has become increasingly harmful to men.
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Interestingly, the study found that older men do not have the same trouble as their younger counterparts, suggesting that, over time, female behavior has become increasingly harmful to men.
I don’t know that it suggests that…it suggests to me that older men have higher value in the sexual marketplace and therefore women have less power to trigger upsets.
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It’s almost as interesting as when Nutz posted this study last Friday in the forum.
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Or it gets easier as one gets older.
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The age thing suggests to me that older men are just less dependent on female approval for their self-image.
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“Interestingly, the study found that older men do not have the same trouble as their younger counterparts, suggesting that, over time, female behavior has become increasingly harmful to men.”
Instead this may demonstrate that older men no longer have the same drive and desire to parent children as they did when they were younger. It has long been my contention that stable relationships are more important to men than to women despite the popular belief to the contrary. Marriage and other social structures may well have been created to protect men from losing these relationships, especially the relationships with their children. Feminists were no fools when they decided to attack marriage as a means to power. Destroy a man’s relationship with his children and in many instances you destroy the man. IMHO, one of the reasons young men appear to be unmotivated and underachieving is that they realize that there is little hope in this day and age of establishing and maintaining those relationships. therefore, education, career, etc. nolonger holds the importance for them that it once did.
I’ve been working on this idea for a future blog post. this study should help provide support.
TDOM
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Older men are less invested in women than younger men. If you have acquired enough pussy during your life, you have dealt with most of the crap women give you, and you finally learn not to take them too seriously. Plus you learn that they can be more easily replaced than they, or you, used to think. For young men, those early relationships seem to be the end all everything, and they can’t imagine life without their girlfriends. So they are more susceptible to the stuff women put them through.
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I think the older men get, the more they firmly begin to believe that (as my boyfriend says) “Women are nuts”. We’ve known each other for a long time, and I do my best to treat him well, but outside of our relationship, he never seemed interested in trying to “date” other women. He’s in his mid-40′s, spends Monday through Friday working with a bunch of bitches, and has had his fair share of crazy exs.
So maybe this study just supports the fact that most men get smarter about women as they get older, while most women just get more bitchy and resentful.
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“while most women just get more bitchy and resentful.”
You sound like an exception to that rule. And you’re probably not all that unusual.
I think as you get older it becomes more and more obvious whether you’re an asshole/bitch or a good, solid person. The bitter hags and make a lot of noise and the good, solid women, and men, get on with their lives. Thankfully more and more of them are speaking up. Thanks.
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Younger men tend to be idealistic and naïve about women, thanks in part to mother. Once he’s had his heart yanked out and handed to him a few times the bloom is off the rose.
Young women are much more circumspect and calculating in matters of romance. The stakes are higher in the ultimate choice they make. Young men are passionate by nature, blinded by desire and fall hard.
If more of them stopped to long enough to view women objectively, through a non-sexual lens (as feminists would claim to want), very few would take them that seriously so early on in their lives.
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I think there may be something to this. Older men, in addition to having a less urgent urge, may also have the benefit of a lower ‘give a damn’ factor. They are more secure in their identity, and are less prone to defining their self-worth from a woman’s opinion of them.
Thus a woman’s attempts at psychological abuse and cruelty fall on deaf ears. ‘Cuz he just doesn’t give a damn.
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Once you realize that women have always been and will always be nothing more/less than adult children, everything clicks into place. Feminism encourages this lack of accountability.
I’m 43 and have terrific relations with women. Once you realize this, the so-called ‘mystery’ of women dissolves like cotton candy.
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“Interestingly, the study found that older men do not have the same trouble as their younger counterparts, suggesting that, over time, female behavior has become increasingly harmful to men.”
I think Welmer meant that now and days, even older men are having a hard time dealing with women, where as in the past, older men had less to worry about (no divorce, less cheating, more respect)
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It is the responsibility of fathers to teach their sons the reality of male/female dynamics. Young men go into relationships with young women without a clue.
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Maybe.
I’ll let ya’ll know when I know I’m right.
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It has been often said that women have deeper emotions and men have more feelings.
Could this explain the situation?
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Thanks Jim. I try, but I also realize that I’m a work in progress. Self-control – that’s the key.
Rebel-
I don’t think it’s so much about “deeper emotions” and “more feelings”. I think women tend to have more unstable and fickle emotions, whereas men seem to be exactly the opposite.
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Christianity, in the past, enslaved countless highly-intelligent 12 year old girls in loveless (for the girl) marriages to old men. The height of patriarchy coincides with widespread acceptance of pedophilia (men lusting after girls), be it Islamic patriarchy or christian patriarchy or Jewish patriarchy. These systems always allow men to rape their wives, additionally. The Men’s Rights Movement harbors men who want to return to such a society where young teenaged girls can be enslaved into marrage by sick men and then forced to perform at his disgression. The spearhead must unequivicobly distance itself from such men and such ideas.
Good men do not marry girls. Good men do not rape their wives. The MRM has many bad men in it, who are not yet in prison due to the anonymity of the internet. They must be exposed so that girls are safe.
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Women don’t even know what they want most of the time.
That’s why it’s up to you, as a man, to tell them what they want and then give them what YOU really want.
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Well, as an ‘older man’ here is my take.
After enough experience you learn that within every woman there exists an emotional singularity that is always on the verge of erupting into a full blown black-hole from which no rational thinking will ever emerge.
And it always begins with two words, younger guys pay attention this can help you, those two words are “You Are” usually followed by some sort of shaming language (angry, bitter, depressed, crazy seem to be favorite choices of shaming language). Once a woman starts labeling a man with “You Are” she can no longer see herself and cannot engage in rational discourse on any level.
When that happens you can either submit to her tyranny or show them the door. From my experience, it is simply the nature of the gender guys don’t catch on until they get a few years under their belts.
It doesn’t make it any more pleasant, but at least you understand it at a level that you don’t brood over it nearly as much.
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First off, let’s not feed the troll who posed on her a few comments before me and did the usual fembot thing where s/he invented a straw man argument.
But to the point, I agree with what the posters here are saying: after a number of years, men stop giving a damn. Always another one around the corner, and she’s probably younger. Who cares?
With that, I want to mention that in my case, one of the reasons I got so upset over breakups as a young man is because it ran counter to what I was taught about women (sugar and spice, etc.). Fathers need to instill some reality in their boys, not let them flail away in fantasyland. The problem is, in my generation, fathers were “workers,” not people and simply didn’t relate to their kids any sort of useful sociological information. Life isn’t all about economics when you’re raising a kid.
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>>Good men do not rape their wives.
Gosh, how many times do we have to explain this? Any system of marriage which says it is possible for a man to rape his wife is a fraud. For thousands of years, marriage meant a woman gave blanket consent to sex with her husband, in exchange for which he was required to support her and her children, even to the point of giving up his life for them. The minute the feminists implemented marital rape laws, marriage ceased to exist except as a means to transfer all of a man’s work and assets to the woman. Men receive absolutely no benefits within the law in what is falsely called marriage today in the Anglosphere.
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Right on the money Days.
As you get older, you see the flaws in women more clearly. Physical as well as emotional.
At 43 I’m probably closer to my physical ideal than at 20.
Women at 43 are usually a dumpster-fire by then.
It’s an old saying but one that rings true: Men age like wine and women age like milk.
That truth pisses them off almost as much as their biology.
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Who among us was lucky enough to have their father sit them down and offer up some insights on the fairer sex? I didn’t think so.
Mine for one was just as perplexed as any. And he unwisely fought against it, tried to make some sense of it, but never could. He shared wisdom about many practical things, but was no help with regard to women. He was just as confused and frustrated as most men through time. We here are the rare exception; holding the mirror up to Medusa. There are no braver men than those who question woman.
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If women are dumpster fire at 43, what are they at 13?
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Wise man Maurice Chevalier explains it all:
“I’m Glad I’m Not Young Anymore”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SGgX_i-BI
How lovely to sit here in the shade
With none of the woes of man and maid -
I’m glad I’m not young anymore!
The rivals that don’t exist at all,
The feeling you’re only two feet tall -
I’m glad I’m not young anymore!
(Bridge:)
No more confusion, no “morning after” surprise,
No self delusion
That when you’re telling those lies, she isn’t wise.
And even if love comes through the door,
The kind that goes on forevermore,
Forevermore is shorter than before -
Oh, I’m so glad that I’m not young anymore.
The tiny remark that tortures you,
The fear that your friends won’t like her, too -
I’m glad I’m not young anymore!
The longing to end a stale affair,
Until you find out she doesn’t care -
I’m glad I’m not young anymore!
(Bridge 2:)
No more frustration, no star-crossed lover am I;
No aggravation,
Just one reluctant reply, “Lady, goodbye!”
The fountain of youth is dull as paint;
Methuselah is my patron saint.
I’ve never been so comfortable before,
Oh, I’m so glad that I’m not young anymore.
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TDOM
” IMHO, one of the reasons young men appear to be unmotivated and underachieving is that they realize that there is little hope in this day and age of establishing and maintaining those relationships. therefore, education, career, etc. nolonger holds the importance for them that it once did.”
Spot on. H-Y-P-E-R-G-A-M-Y.
Keyster
” There are no braver men than those who question woman.”
Or fool who bother.
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TDOM
“IMHO, one of the reasons young men appear to be unmotivated and underachieving is that they realize that there is little hope in this day and age of establishing and maintaining those relationships. therefore, education, career, etc. nolonger holds the importance for them that it once did.”
Agreed, and the discovery of female’s hypergamous nature.
Keyster
” There are no braver men than those who question woman.”
Thanks, but now i’ve learned it’s a fool’s errand.
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I laughed so mark milk shot out of my nose.
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No one July 26, 2010 at 22:12
If women are “dumpster fire” at 43, what are they at 13? The rejection of mature women is a sign of a male pedophile.
Taking it personal “dumpster fire”? You meant 23, right?
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Keep in mind that for most of human existence, the average age of death was around 30, due mostly to contagious diseases.
Our ancestors married “young”. i.e. right after puberty, because they had to begin reproducing as soon as possible to prevent the extinction of the human species.
Even as late as 1900, the average age of death for a man in the USA was 45.
It’s only quite recently – the past 120 years or so in the West – that a majority of women were still *alive* at age 43. In many countries today, the average age of death is still below 60.
The entire idea that men over 18 must forgo reproducing with women under 18 is only for “sickos” is a very modern concept. It might be appropriate for a modern industrial country, but for most of human existence any tribe that adopted and enforced such a rule would have ensured its own extinction.
Even today, most commerical egg donors are required to be under age 23 because female fertility declines rapidly after that age, and it’s not sensible to use eggs that are approaching or past their expiration date.
See Figure 1 here:
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/14/11/2755
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No one–
You’re just pissed because you blew all your chances.
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Hey, no one, why don’t you just curl up with your cats and stfu?
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‘No one’ seems obsessed with pedophilia. If I didn’t know better, I’d say he’s etc.
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Older women have much fewer options, therefore they´re not going to give their man as much shit. And men´s value continues to go up into middle age as long as he stays reasonably healthy. Also true about the “give a damn” factor above.
Oh… and in response to No One- You´re a bitter, used up hag with the mentality of a child. Congrats!
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Gotta echo what other people have been saying – this isn’t a generational thing, it’s something many men work out on their own by their thirties.
I was borderline suicidal when I merely failed to court a particular girl back at university who, when I look back on it, was little more than a particularly competent flirt. Now at 30, if my beloved and splendid GF was to walk out on me, I’d be upset, sure, but would take it in stride and be over it pretty quick. Frankly, I think she’d come off worse – and she’s 24.
The ‘cult of youth’ in its effeminate, sterile and parasitic post-60s guise was a brilliant move on behalf of the PTB – idolise young, dumb males still disposed to do anything for ‘the girl’, and women at the peak of their physical charm, and you are halfway to the institutionalised pedestalisation of women. All perspective goes out the window.
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Here is my theory:
This is only going to speed up. Just look at all the shaming language around peter pan syndrom, man-boys, and so on. I remember a few years ago feminists were spreading the meme of ‘bromance’. Trying to gayify male friendships so men won’t have them, meaning no male competition for the female attention. Every other day I find another article about some 30 something female going, “where are the nice doctors that im entitled to make into a wage slave with marriage?” It’s not older guys that are catching on, it’s younger guys to and I will tell you why.
Let’s see here, first and fore most…awhile back I found two interesting sex studies. One was done in the 60-70′s and looked at the hippies and their sexual dynamics. The other was done in the 1870′s and was supposedly one of the first american made sex surveys.
Now, according to these surveys, most hippies didn’t have that many sex partners. It said there was a small fraction of hyper sexual people but most hippies married their 3rd or 4th partners and stayed with them for more than 10 yrs, and alot didn’t even divorce.
Now the second, it said two important things. The first being that most women had around 4 sex partners in 1870′s. This makes sense, ive looked at my family tree and there are several women from the 1800′s that had three or four marriages. Often times cause the husband died in an accident or the civil war. The other important part was this, what were the womens biggest complaint? Was it that they were chattel? Or chained to the oven? Or raped? Nope, their complaint was this, “Not enough of the men are ‘properly trained’ in the art of sex.” That is literally what it said. TRAINED?
Now, im 27, and I like to call myself part of the slut generation. By 18 I had fallen in love and had my heart broken more times than I even want to count. At 16 I had been with more girls than my father or his father or most men throughout history(except for godkings). Ive had more long term relationships than most men have been married(how many men marry 3x or more?). Now Im not comparing, but just think of the emotional connection and how much that hurts after a divorce. LTR couples still expect the man to pay and put all this energy into a woman for what? So she can dump you and run off with the bigger better deal?
The thing is that im not even a player or anything. I was a punk rocker(alpha on the outside) who was raised by a feminist mother(beta on the inside), and the truth is that I was a bit socially awkward. I didn’t play girls and tell them I loved them just to get in their pants and I didn’t engage in one night stands until I was in my 20′s. I could have doubled my number in HS if I had known that the girls I put in the friendzone were interested in a relationship, and hell if they had been more clear I would have dated more than one of them, one was a huge crush of mine.(3 girls either made a false claim about me or tried to get another guy to kick my ass because they were pissed at my percieved rejection, I just thought they were being friendly instead of flirting with me)
So while alot of divorced guys realize this around their second divorce or their first after being arrested on a false charge etc. Alot of guys these days are learning the same lesson by the time they graduate college.
One of the worst problems is what I call an ‘informational wall’ that women construct around the female herd. They market themselves as nice, caring, morally virtuous, and like lil snow flakes each special in their own way. Growing up without men telling you the truth, you begin to pedalistize women because they represent everything good and men(competing for the same female) are seen as everything bad.
I remember talking to my feminist mother at 23 and I was complaining about women. She shamed me, and I said but, “why would I want to keep playing a game when every move I make causes the rules of the game to be changed and used against me.” She smiled and nodded with this little, smug smirk, and shamed me some more. She understood exactly how women are but still marketed for the female herd at the cost of my emotions, well being, financial cost and my own fucking soul. All women view men as tools. They say protector, I say human shield. They say provider, I say slave. They say “tall, DARK, and handsome.” I say all women are attracted to violent behavior, what the fuck does DARK mean anyways? If you are a male and ask the female herd they will say it has to do with hair or someting. If your female, well then you already know.
I had to tell a few girls that I was gay(they kept hitting on me and tried to shame me into sex with them) and I sat there and bullshitted with them and found out how they really are. Try it sometime guys, it blew my mind when they asked me if I like the ‘bad boy’ type cause I had been told by every woman that they wanted the nice guy(so I was nice) and to see a group of girls treat you like one of them by admitting infront of me that nice guys just suck. “We only fuck them when we can’t get a bad boy cause we can make them buy us what we want”….WTF? That is exactly what they said. They were asking me cause they hadn’t had a gay friend before and they wanted me as an emotional tampon to go shoe shopping with. I have tried this experiment five times in my life, and one thing that pisses women off more than anything is when they realize that you are not gay and just found out their secret. One girl got her meth head brother to come and find me and try to kill me. He didn’t ofcourse but I did get a gun in my face and my ass kicked. Females love playing the game of “let’s you and him fight.” Its how they get the sexual alpha and the wallet beta.
You can call me jaded and cynical, but the truth is that im just a realist and pragmatist today. I have freed myself from all the feminist ideological programming and cognitive dissonance. The truth is that I only want a woman for one thing, that is as a sex object. There are parts of me that ‘still’ want an emotional connection with a woman but from my experience with women is that you can’t trust them one bit. You tell them something in confidence and the first damn thing they do is gossip about it to their female friends, and that is if the relationship is good. Just wait until the break up, that’s when really unload the dirt.
For ex, we don’t even need to be in a relationship for males to realize this. In High school I was dating this girl and one of my friends had just been dumped by his girl. My girl and his ex were friends. I had a class with both these girls. I got kinda mad at my girlfriend and said why would you let her say those things about her ex, much less laugh about it and speak about it loud enough for the entire class to hear? Why go around and do that. She didn’t get it. She and her friend continued to joke about how scummy he was and how he had been molested by his mother. She told the entire fucking school about it. He dropped out a little while later and shot himself when he was 19.
I remember seeing a female teacher laugh about it with this girl and my girlfriend at the time. 3 weeks later we broke up and what did she do? Anyone wanna guess? This is just one example, so if you want the real truth of what males today experience from 8th grade-graduate school, then multiply this by one thousand.
The idea that men need women for anything other than sex is a female fantasy. My life is better than it ever has been, and that is due to realizing that I should never, ever trust a woman with anything that could harm me, especially not my emotions or heart. Im actually happier alone, cause I can get sex and I don’t need them for anything else. I can cook and clean and what else is there? YOu might say engaging conversation and friendship but I say women suck at that.
I have never met a man that gave one of his friends an eating disorder, but I have known plenty of women like that. Guys didn’t create the term frenemy!!! Women actually suck at relationships and friendships. Most women I have met, even girls with degrees in the sciences, talk about nothing of interest or value. It’s all reality tv shows and gossip and crap. WHile my male friends and I would often talk about philosophy or science or politics.
The truth that every boy needs to know is this:
Females are branch swingers by nature, they don’t want to let go of a branch until they have a firm grip on another branch. The branches give females everything. I say we cut the tree down and watch them fall to earth.
Branch=cock
http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com
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A caveat from my post above, parts of this are taken from my previous writing on the subject(my computer crashed awhile back and I lost years of writing) and for some additional info;
by 18 I had been with over a dozen women. That is just counting sex, and that is counting mostly relationships but also a few fuck buddies and a little bit of partying but not making out(or handjobs, or blowjobs, just PIV sex) or those few early relationships where we didn’t do anything but kiss a few times. If you want a ‘hook-up’ count, meaning not relationships or kissing, but everything of a sexual nature(handjobs, blowjobs, kinky stuff like making out naked in the same bed with two girls but not fucking either, ), then by 18 I had hooked up with over 30 girls, and the thing is that I was still on the bottom of the hierarchy.
I wasn’t a popular guy, I hung out with the freak clique, and some of those guys were real players. But then again, like me, alot of those guys also lost their v card at 13( or 8,9,10,11,12, 14) to a woman who was 25 or older that got me drunk and high to the point I barely remember it.
Girls would hit on me and I thought they were just being nice, not hitting on me. I was a bit dense. But for context. At 15 I was in a relationship with a girl for about 3 months, and it was sexual. I had had PIV sex with 6 or 7 girls at the time. I think she was number 7. We were the same age and I was number 16 in her book. Now I was raised with a feminist mother, hell even in public school classrooms the girls and female teachers would talk about relationships during class sometimes(while we did busy work like worksheets) and one thing that most teachers would do is make sure that no boy in the class can ‘slut shame’ her. I saw it happen several times, the teacher would literally say that we don’t have a right to judge a girl based on her past and blah blah blah. I lived by this, but in every relationship I found myself wanting to have something special with the girl I loved. And lots of times she did too, this just leads to more sexual experimentation. Society hasn’t fully realized the danger of uncontrolled female hypergamy in the microcosm called public school.
It wasn’t until I met a 24 year old lawyer at 22 and I realized something. She was into bondage and submission and all kinds of shit, she had also been with 100′s of guys. In each relationship, we want something special. If you both have had sex with three different people, then you spice it up with public sex, fantasies, positions, sex videos, and anything you two can find to make the experience special by having it be the first time you did [insert sex] with your partner.
Sharing a special sexual memory helps bond people to one another. This is why people remember their first kiss, losing their virginity, their first love, and what not. That’s my theory anyways.
In alot of ways im kinda pissed that tthis special experience was taken from me. I remember thinking that maybe I should date some nice christian girls instead, maybe the type that wore chastity bracelets. Then I found out that they were virgins, so they just gave head and had anal sex. WTF? lolz.
Guys get what you want and need from women and then leave them to their own devices. Trying to find an emotionally stable, and healthy relationship with a woman is pointless. Ive tried dozens of times, and when I was 23 I found myself back in egypt. I was shocked when I dated 3 different girls that summer, all locals. There was just something different about them that I couldn’t understand. I get it today though, females have tried to APE male behavior for so long that they have literally lost their femininity. Or maybe without a patriarchal structure in place we are witnessing the REAL female nature. That is probably what it is, it would explain why females market themselves. They know that if we men knew the truth about them then we wouldn’t fuck them with someone elses dick, much less our own.
Oh, and I wasn’t trying to compare LTR’s with marriage, just pointing out that married or not, we are still expected to be what ever our females expect us to be. I am sure divorce is worse than a bad break up! Whether chivalrous, Stoic, a wage slave or a bad boy, we are still expected to meet female standards. Oh My Feminist Goddess,(OMFG), just thinking about how many hours I spent working a shit job just so I could take my girl out to a nice restaurant pisses me off. So much time wasted, especially when alot of them went and puked the dinner up afterwards. But really it’s not even the money, it’s the emotional investment. At 22 I just felt tired. Not a sore back, but a sore soul. For ex:
The last long term relationship I was in ended at 22 and lasted for almost 3 years. BTW, I have several friends who were married for less time and are divorced by 21-26. I did everything for this girl. I bought her stuff, I listened for hours while she bitched about her childhood, I got her intouch with her long lost dad, I drove 100+mph on the interstate so she could get to see her grandmother on her death bed before she died, I helped protect her from her methmaking meth head brother, and hell I even rescued her from car wreck and so much more.
What did I get in return? She cheated on me with my friend and told me he raped her. I believed her, until she did it again, and then I believed her again, until I couldn’t handle all her drama and asked for a week or two break because I just need space to work stuff out with school, cause I had gotten kicked out of physics and didn’t have time for her drama with finals in my other classes, also, I was dealing with my grandmother and her slow decline into dementia and then she broke up with me and less than three hours later she fucked another one of my friends. She didn’t claim rape, she instead shoved it in my face in a sickening spitefull manner and I found out the truth. Did she act friendly and comfort me over any of my pain or problems? Nope, one reason she got so fed up with me was because I spent alot of time complaing(in the last few months before the break up) about my granma getting dementia and all the other problems I had. I was stupid enough to think that if I treated her like x then she would return the favor and treat me like x…how stupid was I?
Now this is just one story, but really? Modern relationships with women are like self harm for men. It ought to be in the DSM-4 as a male form of cutting or something. As for the guys I hung out with in high school, many are dead or in prison( several for not being able to pay child support for children their ex unilaterally decided to bring into this world or drugs or other stupid thuggish shit) or from drugs and many of them aren’t even dating anymore.
Im finishing up my language requirements and I ended up in a class with one of my old friends. He literally said to me that the last thing he needs in his life is another trifling ho, he is a year younger than me and was a bit of a player in HS too. Most of those guys, if they aren’t in jail or dead, are just doing their own thing. You can only be burned so many times before you stop putting your hand in the fire. The sad part is that some of the nerdiest guys I knew, who were less good with women than me, just gave up completely. They live in their parent basement or work a shitty job and live with their crazyo girlfriend because they know that if they leave them they will only be lonelier.
One of these guys, in exactly the above mentioned situation, was a computer and math genius in highschool. Last I heard from him he was making minimum wage and building his super gaming computer system in his bassement. 3 of our mutual friends are dead from suicide and they were all incredibly talented, either artisticly, musically, or computerlly. Talk about a massive waste of human potential.
Wow, that was longer than I meant.
Troll King
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hey troll King welcome back, I thought you too were banned. I kinda miss GlobalMan.
Anywho, the only way a few young men will learn, is through the hard way. It may hurt him in a big way. The main thing is not to remain pissed, even though a woman wasted your time more than one. It’s her nature.
Manipulation is one of woman’s nature. Not to mention prying into other people’s things and business.
it would be nice if we had women tailored specifically to the family. But that aint happening.
The saying goes, there’s no such thing as an honourable woman.
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Thanks MisterB
What happened with Globalman? Looked at the other thread, but I guess I got there too late and missed the drama? I don’t see why I would be banned? I curse, but the commenting policy says no ‘excessive cursing’ so im not sure what the line is? I saw that welmer stated he didn’t like globalman posting comments about assaninating people, but I have never said anything like that.
I can certainly understand why he wouldn’t want comments like that. I don’t want people talking about raping someone or killing people or anything like that on my blog, even though mine is uncencored.
Other than that I don’t see much reason to ban globalman but again I missed the comments on the other thread, so? I too liked alot of what GM had to say, I even occasionally read his conspiracy theories and what not. But I can also see why welmer might want to cut down on certain types of comments, like my drunken angry rants or GM’s statements about how he wouldn’t help his own daughters if someone was going to hurt them or kill them.
I got a couple of comments on my blog about it but got to the party late, but for the record, I understand why welmer wants to moderate his own blog. IT”S HIS OWN BLOG.
Now I don’t know what welmers goals are, he says this blog is not about activism, but his blog is one of the most popular manosphere blogs and if he wants to take it mainstream, then I can understand how he doesn’t want new readers coming across angry comments or whatever. The funny thing is that Im not actually an angry person. It’s just that this stuff bubbles up to the surface when I start commenting, even if it does come across as angry im usually laughing or smiling or both as I write, often times watching tv at the same time(check out Repo Men guys, aside from it anti-capitalism theme, it’s an awesome movie…Im watching it now).
On the personal attack part, I see the need for a moderator, but most personal attacks around here are either really lame or by or against female trolls. I mean that white woman poster who was talking about racist stuff several weeks back. I guess I am guilty of a personal attack or two. One problem, and moderator if your reading this it’s an idea, is that the commenting policy is a bit vague.
Im not really sure where the line is with regard towards certain comments. Im guilty of overgeneralizing in my own comments and I can see how that might piss a nice, good, mens rights oriented, female off. But I think most guys and women on this blog understand that everything in life falls upon a bell curve. I hope the moderator will maybe send us an email or pm on the forum stating that our comments were out of bounds instead of banning people outright. Cause, as you said, alot of GM’s comments weren’t that bad. I would’t care if my comment was removed from the thread, especially as long as I had a backup copy emailed to me or saved in the forum or someting, but banning people outright over one comment seems a bit harsh.
Maybe we could have a 3 or 5 strikes and your out sort of policy.
After all, the comments do reflect on the blog and it’s content and I don’t know about you guys but one of the main reasons I troll blogs instead of websites is specifically to see what other readers are thinking. If welmer is looking to be the internet equivalent of Jezebel or Feministe or someother mainstream gender related blog, then controlling some of the comment content is not a bad idea or even against certain commentors. I’d understand and wouldn’t hold it against welmer if he simply said, No more xyz type of comments Troll King or your out. In fact, that is pretty much what he has done from what I can tell. Only he did it alot nicer than I would have, especially with the manhood 101 threads.
I apologize for the thread jack.
Troll King
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women … seem to derive the same benefit from being in a relationship whether it is troublesome or not.
“Women are always eagerly on the lookout for any emotion.” Stendhal
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To No One:
Odd, actually, that you should mention the Roman and Islamic systems-given that in the waning years of the Roman Empire the biggest complaint was that men were going after boys rather than girls.
And the ubiquity of man-boy love in Islamic societies-them with a history of tolerance for polygamy can’t really be denied. The only difference between the two is that Rome developed its degeneracy gradually while Islam seemed to effectively codify it for years.
Most likely it’s because both societies fell into the same female error-worshiping men rather than the understanding the ideas that motivated them. Men are, in fact, extremely effective human beings, but it isn’t up to women to determine exactly WHY they are. Those that worship men become effeminate. Those who follow the ideas that animate them become some of the most reknowned men on earth.
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Mister B, hey thanks man.
What happened to Global Man? Ive been really swamped the last couple weeks and missed all the drama. I saw on the other thread that he had been banned and welmer was pissed but I have no idea over what. I know that welmer has stated several times that he didn’t want GM making remarks about killing people and stuff. I get that. I would probably even ban someone over something like that too, just depending on what it is and how often they do it, even though my blog is uncensored. I don’t remember making any posts that went against the commenting policy, but im probably a bit guilty, I tend to post drunk sometimes and rant and just not go back and reread…sort of ahit and run type poster. I do curse alot sometimes, but the comment policy says no ‘excessive cursing’ and what is excessive? Three F words in one sentence or one post??? Im probably guilty of a few personal attacks, but most that I have seen have either been by or against feminist trolls and other crazies.
I do see the need for a moderator, especially if welmer wants to take his blog mainstream. I don’t know what welmers plans with this blog are, he’s stated that it’s not about activism…but he is one of the most popular in the manosphere and I do understand why he might want to control some of the comment section if he wants to become the male equivalent to Feministing or something. And well, IT IS HIS BLOG, he can do whatever he wants with it. I don’t know about you guys, but I read blogs specifically for the comments. They are usually better than some of the posts. So controlling the comment content a little closer might invite more readers.
If he is looking to go mainstream, then I can certainly understand how a good, caring, mens rights oriented female could get pissed off about all the angry comments. Mine included. The thing is that im not actually an angry person in real life, it’s just when I comment here all this stuff bubbles up to the surface. Hell, alot of the time im laughing or smiling when I comment, often times watching tv too….FYI guys, check out the movie Repo men, it’s effing awesome…Im watching it now.
I do generalize alot about women but also, I think most women and men visiting this blog understand that everything is distributed along a bell curve…or maybe they don’t, IDK? Im a bit of a hit and run poster, I honestly don’t remember or have even looked at most of my previous comments…I probably should.
I hope that they won’t start banning people straight out because of one comment, like you said, I like alot of GM’s stuff too. I even found his illuminati theories entertaining, even though im not a conspiracy type of person and when I didn’t I just scrolled past them. Again though, it’s welmers blog. I really wouldn’t be pissed or hold it against him if one of my comments get’s removed, especially if I had a back up of the comment or/with stated reason for why it won’t be allowed. Maybe instead of banning or removing specific comments, the moderator could copy(or remove after copying) and paste the comment or the offending part into an email or pm on the forum and simply tell us not to do it again.
Maybe we could have a 3 or five strikes and your out type of rule.
Either way, I hope this just improves the spearhead.
Sorry for the thread jack.
Troll King
PS: this is the second time I have typed this comment, the first time I forgot to fill in the name/email/website and hit enter and then tried to stop it but it got deleted. I miss the automatic log in, but I stronly suggest people open a text document and copy/save the comment before hitting submit. just a though
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Oh, nevermind…sorry for the double post
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“I apologize for the thread jack.
Troll King”
At least your using paragraphs now (and hopefully not drunk posting as much). I like your stories, but I can relate on multiple levels. I didn’t know you got so much snatch when you were young however? I did not. I should have gone the Punk route instead of Grunge.
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Do Troll Kings always write in code, frightened by the mirror. Always hiding? Maybe it’s because they cant drive here or most other places as well. The Lord would like to speak with you. Miss K I am sure you are, she never hurt you, as you did yourself. Sorry you feel that way,but this is what you wanted. And you always get what you want.
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@ Trollking:
“There are parts of me that ‘still’ want an emotional connection with a woman but from my experience with women is that you can’t trust them one bit. You tell them something in confidence and the first damn thing they do is gossip about it to their female friends, and that is if the relationship is good. Just wait until the break up, that’s when really unload the dirt.”
Do you know what it’s like to be married and withold things – important things – from your wife because you discovered that she can’t keep her mouth shut and not blab to her “BFF’s”? And you realize that your “soul mate” is not capable of living up to the term? It sucks.
“I have never met a man that gave one of his friends an eating disorder, but I have known plenty of women like that. Guys didn’t create the term frenemy!!! Women actually suck at relationships and friendships. Most women I have met, even girls with degrees in the sciences, talk about nothing of interest or value. It’s all reality tv shows and gossip and crap. WHile my male friends and I would often talk about philosophy or science or politics.”
See, this is why I don’t post/comment that much; why should I when someone has already said what I’ve felt/known so succinctly and completely? Thanks.
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Given the “direction” that has been given regarding comments I’ll be brief:
This addresses simply the man’s response to breaking up with one woman.
However, today’s middle-aged woman’s tool of choice is the way they almost always gain favor – a foregone conclusion by the courts – with any children in the situation. I lost my kid’s favor over the divorce.
This (parental alienation) has even far more damaging effects to men. Take it from me, whose children were basically “stolen” from me by a woman I could now care less about. I miss my kids desperately and see them only once a week, because the ‘ex has demonized me into something they now want to spend less time with.
And the kids, when mom isn’t available, are sent to the grandmother rather than their biological father.
It’s great to imagine that as a result of modern American woman’s proclivities that they will be denied the very thing that defines them – children. That happens when we stop offering them semen.
SEMEN- it’s ours to do what we chose with – choose wisely. Conserve that stuff that is the envy of all women – it makes their worlds complete.
Don’t do it. Get a puppy.
I hope that doesn’t upset the moderators…
P.Gibson
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Young men are more “troubled” because they are SIMULTANEOUSLY more pussified than girls -
and girls are MORE macho than men today.
Lots of girls now have way more tats than even a biker from the 50′s and get into way more barfights.
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If men look more closely, they will see that all of the good traits that women claim to have (kindness, patience, nurturing, empathy, ability to connect emotionally, ability to communicate, and so on) actually belong to men, and apparently only to men.
Because fairness and justice are so important to men, it never occurred to us to think that women are not like that as well.
But the scorpion just can’t help but sting the frog, upon whose back she is riding, while they are in the middle of the river, and in full view of the frogs on the riverbank.
Thanks for the reality check, I guess.
The comments from women about that article a while back, the one about sex robots, were full of whining about how defective men were to even consider such an empty and soulless object.
But perhaps women actually fear that men would discover that they have nothing more now. Except that the current version also farts and has a nasty attitude.
And to think that I once actually expected to be able to find what I really want – an intimate connection with a loyal soul mate (the kind of bond that is simply not possible with male friends, at least for me).
The problem is not that women have been led astray (that can be corrected), but that it is becoming obvious (because they are no longer even bothering to hide the fact) that they have only selfishness inside.
Don’t know how to fix that.
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@miss K-
You’re not being clever or sneaky. Smarter people than you hang out here. You are also blaming the victim as you continue to psychologically rape him.
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Blog author quote: “Wake Forest sociology professor Robin W. Simon and Florida State sociologist Anne E. Barrett say “It appears that young men benefit more than women from support, and that they are more harmed than women by strain in ongoing romantic relationships.”
– If young men benefit more from support then perhaps this can be indicative of young men going it alone after and during a ‘relationship’. (yeejje, that word makes me want to gag. It’s so nurturey, so fashionably femi sounding). IOW, having no base of (men) friends to discuss relationship issues with. Now don’t be flyin’ out of your armchairs after reading this thinking that I’m trying to feminize men or that I’m some fucking squishy feely mangina. A true friend, knowing what a relationship is like, is able to communicate about these matters and be the person to inquire about the post relationship well-being of a buddy.
I suspect that females of all ages are lending support to eachother every step of the relationship way. Even though many can’t stand each other, one reason why women have succeeded – their proclivity for social connectiveness and life-long on-going mutual supports.
These may be factors in the disparate numbers of men’s and women’s suicides after break-ups and/or divisions resulting from FC. No need to talk about hard wired natures. One either has concern about a friend or one doesn’t.
Perhaps the same goes with the mrm/mra camp quagmire. (“You’re alright, Jack [and just do it somewhere else"] ).
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TrollKing says-“There are parts of me that ‘still’ want an emotional connection with a woman but from my experience with women is that you can’t trust them one bit.”
I almost clapped audibly when I read this. This has happened to me a couple of times and the second time I had to threaten to send pictures of her vaj to her mom and dad to get her to quit telling personal stories of me online.
Yet, I have had some wonderful female friends and girlfriends who I absolutely trust.
In the end, you simply have to err on the side of every woman being a worthless and dishonorable piece of trash.
Hard times require hard ways.
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“It appears that young men benefit more than women from support”
In the same way a house cat benefits from being fed.
Those clipped wings grow back and men dont have to go through life with the emotional limps that women tend to foster on their men as a means of validating their relevance as an emotional crutch.
Most men toughen up, and develop the maturity to see thru wimminz ploys, which are ultimately quite empty and banal. Once you realise that, the whole game turns on its head, naturally, and you see what the reality b/w the sexes really is.
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“You can call me jaded and cynical, but the truth is that im just a realist and pragmatist today. I have freed myself from all the feminist ideological programming and cognitive dissonance”
TK, your honesty, raw emotion and keen intellect always blows me away.
I do admit to feeling a little sad (and angry) when I read about how you have been treated by your feminist mother and women in general.
I guess this my sound silly to you, but whenever I read your posts I often feel like placing a comforting arm around your shoulders…
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“It appears that young men benefit more than women from support”
I bet this line will be used in arguments for alimony.
Somehow everything seems to “benefit men more” – ah, the evil patriarchy – so all this has to be compensated with affirmative action for women etc.
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I could tell you all a true story about a high school where basically students didn’t date, didn’t hang out , or even much interact for 2 years straight. Where the jocks .. football and basketball had virtually no relationships ; and neither did much of anybody else.
Was there a school prohibition of some sort in effect? Religious constraints? Racial problems?
Nope , nope and nope.
And that was over 30 years ago.
I could tell the story if Welmer wanted to hear about it, but it seems so strange few may believe.
It’s a mystery that is not easy to solve and would test the ability of even this esteemed group to untangle.
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Young women can swing from dick to dick like a monkey swings through the jungle – never letting go of one “branch” until they have another firmly in their grasp. Young men have to work hard to get new tail. She’s out on Tuesday, and some other dude is buying her shots on Wednesday. He doesn’t have that option unless he’s a major player.
The roles reverse later in life though. An older man can meet young women far easier than an older woman can convince a viable man that her used up ass is still actually worth something.
That’s why men shouldn’t get married until age 45 – if ever. Most men can only start living at age 32 the way she did at 22. Why give that up?
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Modern materialism, slick marketing/advertising influences, and consumerism have screwed up women in the worst possible ways, which put men on the pedestal recklessly and needlessly.
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Well because young men are more emotionally connected and intuitive than young women. Young women are major, yet natural born players. they typically have unemotional sex with every guy that they can, same thing with older women.
And Bob, you’re right. Women do put men on a pedestal recklessly without caring about them. They are influenced by the mass media to hold on to this image of a perfect man. It’s no wonder random men commit violent acts against women who are exposed images of perfect-looking men they see in the media, knowing men are so self-conscious of their looks, and also because women are acting like douchebag(uettes). Hey, that’s what happens when women misbehave.
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Trollking, that remark about “wanting” an emotional connection with women but not trusting them hit home big time. Part of me still wants that too, but I keep remembering something my boss/father figure told me once….”The only woman you can ever trust is your mother.” At the time I took it with a grain of salt, but over the years his words have proven true. Sad.
My first LTR started with a woman telling me how she never felt the way I made her feel and so on and so on. Wow…what a great feeling….couple years later with no change in behaviour on my part, she cheated on me…second and third LTR’s were the same storyline (sans cheating)…”no one ever made me feel the way you do, etc etc etc” they were all lies, to elicit a response. Manipulation of a mans’ emotions to achieve a goal. All 3 women had previously been divorced if that matters to the story at all. A history of throwing men away to move on to their next victim.
I’m really not sure any of them really understood what they were doing on a conscious level or if they had just been programmed by “sex and the city” etc to follow through a certain chain of steps in order to be a “modern” woman.
I too still would like to think that there is a woman out there somewhere that yearns for that lifelong emotional connection, but I’m not holding my breath. What I have seen in my friends relationships with their wives, and mine with gf’s and LTR’s seem to indicate that women are not the sugar and spice innocents we have been conditioned to expect of them. They are manipulative, plotting, and incapable of understanding themselves and their own psychology in any meaningful way that will lead to happiness for themselves and any prospective partner in life. Sad. Not sure what the answer is.
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