Those who claim “women civilize men”, or its semantic counterpart “marriage [to a woman] civilizes men”, are often guilty of two errors: the first is gross gynocentrism stemming from reflexive pedestalization of the feminine. Women, while central to the family by biological design, possess few overarching civilizing qualities of their own. On the contrary, a cursory look at family units and communities devoid of adult males in leadership positions reveals that the feminine in charge and in isolation is quite unable to sustain a complex civilization. In fact, to analyze the social patterns of such communities is to be transported back in time to humanity’s prehistory; it takes little imagination to see that the matriarchal social patterns of the urban ghetto are little more than mud huts gussied up with brick and mortar–the cultural residue of the once-present patriarchal civilization–and that industry and industriousness has been replaced with hunting and gathering.
The second error is mistaking the symptom for the cause. While it is true that married men are more productive than singletons and also generally behave in what can be objectively judged as more socially constructive ways, it is not the presence of women per se that causes men to be more productive or be better behaved. Rather, it is the social institution of patriarchal marriage (marriage 1.0, or simply ‘marriage’) that does so, for marriage, properly constituted and defended, provides a fellow assurance that the children in his house are indeed his, provides a vehicle through which his need for sexual release is satisfied, and encourages him to channel his excess energies toward himself, his family, and his community. In short, the marriage institution gives him a reason to invest beyond himself. (Marriage also instills socially constructive behaviors that render girls capable of functioning positively within a society, and also accrues many benefits to women that would be absent otherwise, one of which is safety/security. Needless to say there are many other benefits due women from her upholding her role in marriage that I will not address in today’s column.)
These popular but still erroneous sayings honor that which does not deserve, and gives short shrift–and therefore obscures from the conventional wisdom–to that which is responsible for and transmits civilization…the masculine. It is men who bequeath the gift of civilization to women and their children, men whose socially constructed and biologically unnecessary roles serve to socialize women, boys, girls, and other men to exist in a society for the benefit of all. So we men have something to celebrate, for our voluntary participation in society and subordination of our desires toward the good of our families and society in general is the literal key to civilization. Moreover, where one sees men focusing on gratifying their own wants first and avoiding entanglements with family is a society operating at much less than full capacity and is most certainly in decline.
But I wish to be careful here and not overstate the male power to create and instill civilization for, as it takes two to tango, the female must also participate. Thus for civilization to work, the feminine must accept the limits to autonomy placed upon it. But women must more than just participate, they must enthusiastically do so. For just as a mother is the center of the family, women are the center of a civilization, and where they go, the civilization goes. In other words, women are a civilization’s center of gravity, defined by Clausewitz as
the hub of all power and movement upon which everything depends
Clausewitz encouraged practitioners of war to attack the enemy’s center(s) of gravity, for attacks there will have disproportionate effects and may very well paralyze the enemy and his ability or will to resist.
With this women-are-society’s-center-of-gravity conceptualization in mind, we see this fact acknowledged and reinforced repeatedly throughout history. The first example I use in the Garden, where Lucifer, knowing that attempting to convince Adam to violate the Law would be futile, focused his efforts instead on the more vulnerable and more important Eve. Why more important? Well, Lucifer knew that if he went after Eve and succeeded, not only would he enjoy a higher probability of success, but that success would be magnified well beyond that had he attacked Adam and succeeded. For Eve had influence disproportionate to her station in the created order. Lucifer corrupted her, and she drug Adam, the head of the First Family, with her into the Fall.
The second example is far more recent, and is actually four: the leaders of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Soviet Russia, and Maoist China all deliberately and successfully courted German, Italian, Russian, and Chinese women in their revolutions. For they knew that while some German, Italian, Russian, and Chinese men supported them, far more men opposed their authoritarian reforms. Yet by promising more power, influence, and authority to women in their future socialist utopias, these leaders surfed to power on the wave generated by Eve’s Curse.
That these four radical left wing dictators did so was no accident; in fact, they were simply following the Marxist playbook, which reads:
Anybody who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without the feminine ferment. Social progress can be measured exactly by the social position of the fair sex (the ugly ones included).
Thus history suggests that the key to any revolution isn’t us men. While we are important, and can bring a lot of force and manpower to bear, we require at least the grudging cooperation of the 51% majority, who, as mothers and wives, drag the main body of the civilization with them.
Many of us here at The Spearhead spend our time thinking of ways to counter the sexual revolution, restore patriarchal civilization, and re-enfranchise beta, delta, gamma, and omega men back into society. However, while it is good for us men to cuss and discuss the options for accomplishing this revolution amongst ourselves, we must consider ways and means to convince a sufficient number of women that our cause will be of greater benefit to them in the long run than the feminist’s cause. That is, if we are to succeed in reversing the Marxist takeover of our families, homes, and society.
About the author: EW is a well-trained monkey charged with operating heavier-than-air machinery. His interests outside of being an opinionated rabble-rouser are hunting, working out, motorcycling, spending time with his family, and flying. He is a father to three, a husband to one, and is a sometime contributor here at Spearhead. More of his intolerable drivel is available at
the blog The Elusive Wapiti.
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Great article, and very true.
For any ‘bloodless’ coup, you need female support.
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I agree with the general thrust of your argument, that no revolution can be forced upon such a large swathe of the population. Feminism has been so successful in part because it managed to sell its ideas (if not its label) to a sufficiently large number of men by making feminist ideology part and parcel of the general perception of civil rights.
However, without getting into a distracting tangent, the idea that Hitler and Mussolini were straight up left-wingers like Stalin is patently absurd unless you narrowly define leftism as statism (by this measure, Bismarck was a lefty because he devised a welfare state). Yet somehow it has become a truism among conservative thinkers to say they were really Marxists all along. Also, since when was Genesis actual history?
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Yes, civilisation is something what men created to impress women. Women are our great motivators, if they’re acting properly. But nowadays it is very rare.
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Yes, civilisation is something what men created to impress women. They are our great motivators, if they’re acting properly.
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I agree with you, EW. The hardest part is getting women to see past themselves and actually want to do something about anything. Every day I work and deal with women who are ready to group together and pounce upon the token “alpha male” of the group (myself) any time I point out errors in their feminist logic. These women look down their nose at myself and others. They have no intention of ever changing and I daily hear them tell stories of their little femi-slut daughters being worse than them.
So, what can we do about it? What can be said or demonstrated that would truly show women what’s going on and get their attention to their own behavior? That’s the biggest question. Men holding signs and parading won’t help. Being rude to every set of tits has little effect, at least in my experience. Perhaps we should follow a bit of Roissy’s advice about Game. Maybe we should all just go our own way, ignore those silly broads, and see who follows. I know I don’t post much on here but I’ve been stewing a lot on this lately, especially since starting this new job and being one of four guys in a work group of about twenty people.
Anyway, EW, keep up the good articles. I enjoy them.
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Males and Females may be different and entitled to have those differences recognised where the recognition of sex differences benefits women only, according to generous white knights, shameless manginers and chauvenist bigots …
But there is one thing that holds true with cast iron certainty forever and ever … and that is that, irrespective of gender or cultural hallucinations and myths surrounding the sexes, they both are absolutely corruptible and maliciously venal creatures whenever opportuned to be so with absolute power and other peoples resouces.
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EW, brilliantly put and I hope many a young man reads it.
Gents. The communists are well known for their tactic of ‘subvert the women first’. Basically by subverting the women they dis-enfranchise the men and break their will to defend the women and children when the oppression comes. When the oppression comes and the men fight back they are then demonised and villified as ‘traitors’ or ‘subversives’ by the ‘big-brother’ guvment and the guvment ‘appeals’ to the women to denounce the ‘traitors’ and ‘subversives’ which they do with glee. Simply put, women will betray men for ‘bread and circuses’ and empty promises that clearly can not be delivered. I was surprised to find that out. Men know empty promises when they see them and men know men fight all wars. Men are VERY hard to convince of stupid ideas that can’t work. Women can be convinced of the most ludicrous ideas by mere repetition. I was reading just yesterday how women ‘informed’ on men at a rate of 2:1 over men in Nazi Germany. Denouncing your husband as a ‘subversive’ or ‘communist’ was a guarantee you would be rid of him. Just like a false DV allegation is today. The history books are full of the betrayal of men by women to the detriment of current and future generations.
However, women are too stupid to realise what fools they are and are totally incapable of noticing that removing men destroys their society. Look at the ghettos in the US and ‘chav’ brittain. Women are too stupid to realise that the oppression is starting to visit them too now. And if any woman makes a counter claim women are NOT that stupid? I give you the irrefutable evidence of: ‘a woman can do anything a man can do’ and ‘gender is a social construct’. These are BOTH so laughably false but they are thoroughly be-LIE-ved by 99%+ of western women.
Knowing that women are stupid and that they are being sold the ‘bread and circuses’ of ‘babies and money sans man’ what can be done about it by us men? Because the women sure aren’t going to do anything about it. I have asked for two years now. They said ‘no’.
It’s real simple. Women must be held accountable for their actions and their words under oath. Period. THAT is the fix that men can apply immediately. Remember “logic, reason, science and math are tools of the patriarchy to oppress women and they must be destroyed. Women have a better way of knowing.”.
My claim is that any man engaging in a ‘debate’ or ‘discussion’ with a woman is STUPID. My claim is that men should CEASE and DESIST from ANY debate or discussion with women on this topic. Just STOP. You are wasting your time. Instead I propose men merely ask women the following questions and listen to their answers:
1. Are you claiming you are an adult and are you claiming you are accountable for your actions and your words under oath?
2. If yes, what it the form of authority you agree to submit to in order to punish you should you commit a crime?
3. Do you propose that the form of authority that you will submit to be men or women?
IF women you ask these questions of are not willing to be accountable for their actions and their words under oath THEN men have NO CHOICE but to relegate them to the lawful status of children. Period. You HAVE to do this IF you want civilisation to continue.
All the men here know I have been over at http://freemanireland.ning.com/ for more than 8 months now ringing the bell of the oppressing and crimes against men via the subversion of women. Few men from here have bothered helping me. All men at the Free Man site know I have been at spearhead since it’s inception and I have been asking them to come across and share their knowledge and experience as well. Similarly few have come across. Both sets of men should be ashamed of themselves for their myopia and refusal to get out of their own very narrow areas of interest and share knowledge and experience. Shame on ALL MEN who have not. ALL MEN are in this boat together and the boat is sinking. Plugging your own little hole while allowing other leaks to spring do you no good at all. A SMALL number of men like me can leave. Most can’t. Those of you who can not leave will go down with the ship or you will fix the problems of your society post haste.
A fundamental component of the solution to the current oppression and coming oppression is ‘the rule of law’. And ‘law’ means the decision of 12 MEN on a jury under oath to render verdicts for allegations and the remedy the defendent must perform if found guilty. If the defendent will not perform the remedy the jury must out-law him/her and withdraw the protection of the law.
MEN? Your women are subverted. They hate you now. Get over it. A MANDATAORY and the NECESSARY FIRST STEP in stopping the collapse of your society is to establish the rule of law. It is CLEAR to every man here that there is no rule of law in the west today.
This is why I asked. Which men here are willing to serve on juries? I got few responses. Shame on you men. If you are not willing to serve on juries to defend your rigths you do not deserve to have any rights. So let’s try again. Which men here are willing to serve on juries? http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=395
Lastly. I, for one, invited women to run their own juries to punish women who commit crimes against MEN or WOMEN. All I ask is that should women do so that the process be open and transparent and in writing so us men can see how it is you women will punish women who commit crimes. Us men have punished men who have committed crimes all through history.
Gentlemen. Your women are subverted. Your society is being destroyed. You can see it happening. What are YOU going to do about it?
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Stand at the top of any tall building in any city of the world. Half of the humans, and everything else … everything … was built by men.
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Heres a new GreenDay song I heard on MTV recently. Interesting lyrics. I wonder if he’s aware of the MRM, or just touching on similiar themes. Anyways, I always liked them alright, but never took them seriously, but I think I like them a little more now.
(My analysis is in parathesis)
Last Of The American Girls lyrics
Songwriters: Armstrong, Billie Joe; Pritchard, Michael; Wright, Frank E., Iii;
She puts her makeup on like graffiti on the walls of the heartland
(Modern women dress like whores when men really prefer the girl next door)
She’s got her little book of conspiracies right in her hand
(Believes that an all powerful Patriarchy keeps her down through male priveledge)
She is paranoid like endangered species headed into extinction
(Blames all her problems on people out to get her, when she caused them herself)
She is one of a kind, well, she’s the last of the American girls
She wears her overcoat for the coming of the nuclear winter
(Women sense something bad is coming, but naively think they can adapt to the coming resource famine)
She is riding her bike like a fugitive of critical mass
(They sense they caused this bad thing to happen)
She’s on a hunger strike for the ones who won’t make it for dinner
(Her pet causes and political leanings are naive, counter productive and miss the point)
She makes enough to survive for a holiday of the working class
(She has no resource producing skills of any significant value)
She’s a runaway of the establishment incorporated
She won’t cooperate, well, she’s the last of the American girls
She plays her vinyl records singing songs on the eve of destruction
(La,la,la, IIIII caaan’t heere yoooou!)
She’s a sucker for all the criminals breaking the laws
(Hypergamously attracted to Alpha cavemen thugs)
She will come in first for the end of Western civilization
(Puts herself before society as a whole)
She’s an endless war, she’s a hero for the lost cause
(They will never change, they can only be contained)
Like a hurricane in the heart of the devastation
She’s a natural disaster, she’s the last of the American girls
She puts her makeup on like graffiti on the walls of the heartland
She’s got her little book of conspiracies right in her hand
She will come in first for the end of Western civilization
She’s a natural disaster, she’s the last of the American girls
Aw yeah, all right, aw yeah
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Superb article. I would, however, like to comment on the perception of marriage as being essentially beneficially to men in terms of health and productivity, as I’ve always taken issue with such statements. Comparing married men to unmarried men to illustrate the benefits of marriage is inherently flawed; it’s not that marriage makes men healthier and more productive, it’s that healthier and more productive men are more likely to get married.
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Great Article EW. Although I’m inclined to believe that women are no longer and never again will be the center of gravity. They blew it because of their huge feminist betrayal and over-played their hand.When all is said and done women will be lucky if we allow them to make sandwiches for us because God knows they’ve failed at everything else. Great comments globalman. I’m of the school that we don’t need help from women to clean up the mess they created. This is how I see it: when a child makes a big mess you don’t ask them to help you clean it up. You send them to their room and do it yourself, thereby assuring that the job is done right. Honestly the best way to get rid of the destructive effects of feminism is without women’s help.
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If there is one thing the feminists were right about it is the idea that the destruction of marriage would lead to the destruction of patriarchy and the destruction of men and boys. Marriage and familial relationships are far more important to men than most people believe. IMHO one of the biggest reasons why boys and young men appear to be unmotivated and underperform in school is that they have no incentive to perform well. The drive to reproduce and then to protect and provide for women and children is a basic part of the psychological makeup of the human male. In today’s society, even young boys can see that women don’t want them and believe they don’t need them. They know that father’s are believed to be unneccessary and are frequently kicked out of the family. They also know that once removed from the family, the man is still required to contribute monetarily and must hand over toa woman who hates him, a hefty portion of his earnings. While this may not be a conscious realization, it is a reality that boys see everyday. The drive to be productive and to contribute to society arises directly from the need to provide and protect, with no one to protect orto provide for, there is little reason to be productive.
TDOM
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This was all inevitable once political powers realized giving women the right to vote, would be THE special interest group to win over; with promises of rights and privilages that pertain specifically to what women want. Much like what’s happening with Hispanics now, the next big special interest group…that will churn out voters. The sheeple will vote as groups, for what best serves their own interests, not that of the country as a whole.
Women largely vote for politicians that promise to sustain or resolve “women’s issues”; such as abortion rights, affirmative action, DV law and the latest…”equal pay for equal work”. This is why Republicans are offering up female candidates in higher numbers than ever. It completely vexes liberal minded women, and that in part, is the strategy…to pull more women over to the Republican Party by giving them smart and sassy women to vote for.
As long as women vote, and they remain in the 51% majority, men will keep declining. There are some reasonable women who understand this, but they’re much smaller in number as compared to the feminist/marxist juggarnaut. Just as those who oppossed the female vote 100 years ago predicted, women will vote for what’s best for women as a group only, and the politicians that cater to them. Little else matters to them, especially men and children. Convincing them to give up any power at all, for the good of society as a whole, is absolutely fruitless. They won’t do it unless forced to through a period of civil instability or anarchy, which is exactly where the breakdown of the family and disenfranchisement of men has us headed towards. But don’t tell THEM that. They don’t want to hear it. They’re high-functioning children, and they vote.
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The biblical parable of Adam and Eve in the ‘garden of Eden’ shows how wise ancient men were in those days. They knew the nature of women and wrote accordingly. The female was the first one who was corrupted and she in turn used her influence accordingly. Adam became a mangina and succumbed.
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Men created and forged civilization since the hallowed days of antiquity.
Women brought the sandwiches…
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And even those were invented by men.
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All that is so true, but what can we do since women despise civilization?
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Good article, EW.
@ Jabber – thanks for the Green Day. I’m playing a new tune at the watering hole tonight!
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I’m curious about the evidence behind the statement “that married men are more productive than singletons.”
I have one friend far and away more successful than any others in our group, a celebrity who makes millions, and at 48, he’s still single.
A cousin of mine was one of the top hedge fund managers in the world, before marrying at 42.
The Governor of my state, Florida, is past 50 and has been married for about 2 years in his life, once for less than a year, and the other where most people believe he only got married to make himself more attractive for a V.P. appointment.
Bill Gates did fine before he got married. Paul Allen is still single. Derek Jeter and George Clooney are still single.
These are just anecdotes, but I believe a lot of the reason married men tend to outearn single guys has to do with selection by women of guys who are or show promise to be successful.
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rebel, like anyone else who commits a crime against civilization, women should be punished, marginalized and perhaps ostracized. I’m having difficulty clarifying this. I believe their privileges should be curtailed and that they should be put on some form of probation. But that wouldn’t work because women have proven themselves incapable of doing anything right when given power. I’ll have to get back to you on this one. Suffice it to say that we should return to good old fashioned patriarchy because there was nothing wrong with it and it works.
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@ MacArthur Of The MRM:
Typical MRA – blame ONLY women for the mess of feminism when the men are at least as responsible. Almost all men’s rights activists believe that men are superior to women ( stronger, more intelligent, more agressive etc), so why did they give women any power at all? You can’t have it both ways. BTW I have seen examples of children making big messes, then being asked to either help clean up or do it all themselves.
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red1969 said :
BTW I have seen examples of children making big messes, then being asked to either help clean up or do it all themselves.
Big messes and bad behavior tend to end fast when their costs are borne directly by the perpetrator. I believe our civilization is reaching a tipping point where that’s going to happen in the gender wars.
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“However, while it is good for us men to cuss and discuss the options for accomplishing this revolution amongst ourselves, we must consider ways and means to convince a sufficient number of women that our cause will be of greater benefit to them in the long run than the feminist’s cause.”
ROFL! I wish you a lot of good luck with that endeavor because you will certainly need it. You’re assuming that
a) there can be a social movement that benefits both men and women equally
b) the so-called war of the sexes is not a zero-sum game
c) women can be persuaded that feminism is a worse option than patriarchy.
Which is assuming a LOT.
The fact is that
a) correcting the sexual marketplace (in the way MRAs want) is not possible without re-regulating female sexuality, which in turn is not possible without stripping women of at least some of their current rights and privileges – something women will never agree to
b) women on average believe that men should simply “man up”, remain beasts of burden and continue to uphold and defend civilization even if they have few incentives to do so and all the cards are stacked against them – after all, the idea that they must incentivize such male behavior probably never occurs to them.
You won’t even be able to convince most women that many of them are directly of indirectly hurt by feminism! As far as they are concerned, they aren’t in any way hurt by feminism; they believe they are hurt by alpha thugs who “avoid commitment”, beta chump husbands and boyfriends who refuse to “man up”, “jaded” and “bitter” guys who give up on women and refuse to initiate relationships etc.
“Many of us here at The Spearhead spend our time thinking of ways to counter the sexual revolution, restore patriarchal civilization, and re-enfranchise beta, delta, gamma, and omega men back into society.”
Maybe you should consider the possibility that all that is futile since the West has already reached a point of no return. The disease will run its course. Maybe it is a better idea to hasten the inevitable demise of the leftist feminist system and educate men on how to avoid getting victimized in that process.
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These men’s rights issues are extremely important but why does every discussion descend into resentment/stereotyping/hostility towards all women, indiscriminately? It makes it hard for me to take the MR movement seriously when from the outside, while the issues are valid, the activists are as whiny and hypocritical as the feminists. A lot of the men who are drawn here have fallen foul of some manipulative, abusive, vile women but then ascribe her failings to half of humanity.
This is NOT the ‘true nature’ of women. It’s not. Whine about it all you like but it is not true. The men the feminists complain about – there are countless examples of vile misogynists but they are still wrong to hate all men because of this. You’re harming your own cause by woman-bashing. Lots of women respect men and consider men’s rights to be as important as women’s. They do. Just because you haven’t met them yet doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Both sides need to stop making gender relevant where it isn’t. ‘Gender war’ won’t get anybody anywhere.
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I agree with what this site stands for but the comments are disgusting and DO NOT help the spear head’s goals. Calling women stupid and all kinds of other names and having the attitude that you are owed a woman is not going to get women to support you. I know a lot of women who support masculinity and is disappointed at todays men for being so weak.
Learn the male/female dynamics (game). Stop eating processed food because it has fructose corn syrup, chemicals and even female hormones like estrogen in it. This has caused the obesity problems, lowered testosterone and the viagra explosion (men didn’t need viagra 40 years ago).
work out, be mature, don’t be a push over, make decent money and be a man and things would be much better. It did wonders for me.
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Lots of pink unicorns respect men and consider men’s rights to be as important as women’s. They do. Just because you haven’t met them yet doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Jason, you said that the comments display “having the attitude that you are owed a woman”. I can’t seem to find any comment that supports that. Who said they are “owed” a woman, and where did they post this? Thanks.
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“This is NOT the ‘true nature’ of women.”
And what would their nature be? I thought it was “human nature” and human nature is inherently selfish. Am I wrong? We aren’t saying men are saints, just that we already have the appropriate constraints on our selfishness. What say you?
“Calling women stupid and all kinds of other names and having the attitude that you are owed a woman is not going to get women to support you.”
Oh no! What will we ever do without the support of women?!
And who feels entitled to women here? We want nothing to do with them. Are you new here or something, or just a fucking idiot.
“I know a lot of women who support masculinity and is disappointed at todays men for being so weak.”
Fuck you bitch.
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I think women will get the point very quickly. Ive been trolling through article after article about females complaining about DV shelters being shut down, and all kinds of programs like various prisons because who is paying for it. Single mothers don’t pay for it. Some high ranking middle class and uppper class women might pay for some of it, but most welfare and taxes are paid for by men. Hell, men recieve 20% of social security and pay 80% of the total. There isn’t a single male in my family that recieved social security, my granddad got his first check a week after he died.
One thing I know to be true is that we are living in a masculine vacuum. The only allowed masculine expressions are appropriated or created by feminists and women. I also know that when boys grow up in a masculine vacuum they turn to gangs to search for their masculinity.
In 2007 alone, 40% of babies born were born to single mothers by choice. I give it 15-25 years before all of america looks like detroit or compton. When those boys, and that is counting divorces and the number of women giving birth with boyfriends that later get replaced by a new bigger better deal, are teens then most of the country will be controlled block by block by groups of young, armed males protecting THEIR territory.
It may happen sooner. It amazes me that ten year old boys have a greater grasp of economics than our feminist government. The more money they print the less it is worth. How do they not understand this simple concept of scarcity? 10 Yr. old boys that collect baseball cards and comic books understand this, but our president and congress doesn’t. I think they understand it, but they realize they can’t change it. Like lemmings running off a cliff.
One thing that females and feminist don’t seem to realize is that men are not static creatures. We adapt to our surrounding. They really think they can continue this onslaught against maleness and there won’t be a reaction.
No wonder newton was a man and not a woman.
For every action there is an equal yet opposite reaction. Im not going to work myself into a early grave or worse so that women can continue to have what men of my generation never got.
Just wait until guys start realizing that obamas new healthcare bill basically taxes young men to provide health care for older baby boomer feminists. Ill be more than happy to watch them die in mass in the street.
As a young teen I lived with my mother exclusively. I remember I had horrible problems with my tonsils that went on for months. My mother never took me to the doctor. So one day I got a pair of scissors, some whiskey, lemon juice, a flashlight and a piece of my mothers delicate china…a plate. I broke the scissors in half and sterilized them. I looked into my mouth infront of the bathroom mirror and saw that my tonsils were red and inflammed and had all these white spots on them. They were pockets of puss, from my tonsils being infected. I meticulously cut out each pocket of puss and hacked and coughed it up on the plate and then swished my mouth with whiskey and lemon juice. I remember thinking that the pockets of puss were really weird, I thought it would be like a pimple and oozy but instead they had the consistency of a sugar cube. The best part was when my younger brother walked in and almost puked after seeing what I was doing. Hahahaha. One thing that really pisses me off is how feminists talk about men being conditioned into stoicism and rugged individualism. I wasn’t socialized by anyone,especially not a patriarch, so I think a better word is neglect and abuse.
Updated:
http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com
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“work out,” – Your so shallow. I have a mind you know.
“be mature,” – Yoooour soooo gaaay.
“don’t be a push over,” – I’m sorry we’ve offended you.
“make decent money” – Being rich solves all men’s problems. Brilliant.
“and be a man” – Be a slave? What? But I thought you just told me to be rich?
“and things would be much better.” – I’m a geek who plays lots of video games and barely makes a living wage, and my wife is hot as shit and likes it when I tie her down and rape her. Thats because I’m not a mangina, white-knight pedalstalizing bitch like you. How’s your life working out?
“It did wonders for me.” – I’ll take your word for it.
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I was in Compton a few weeks ago. I was rather disappointed on how not shitty it was. Maybe I just couldn’t find the “good” parts. If anyone can suggest a part of town where I could get the rush of feeling like my life’s in danger when I revisit the Coast in a few weeks, please pass it on.
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This is NOT the ‘true nature’ of women. It’s not. Whine about it all you like but it is not true.
The true nature of women is understood by men who learn Game. Some of them are pick-up artists, and some of these men use Game to improve their marriages.
Unless you agree with this, you have no idea about the ‘true nature’ of women.
are countless examples of vile misogynists
For every man who is a true misogynist, there are 10,000 men who practice the opposite of misogyny – pedestalization. That’s right, pedestalization of women outnumbers misogyny by 10,000 to 1.
Lots of women respect men and consider men’s rights to be as important as women’s.
Other than Dr. Helen and about 5 others, there are none. What they consider ‘Men’s Rights’ is still not in the interests of men.
Both sides need to stop making gender relevant where it isn’t. ‘Gender war’ won’t get anybody anywhere.
The words of someone who realizes feminism went to far, and is now afraid.
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Wow, we are getting some trolls here. Stop being weak pussy elevating trolls guys, you are giving me a bad name and I am the only one allowed to to that.
The thing is that I gew up with a feminist mother, you say learn game and stop acting like a bitch, but who is teaching boys game or anything about female nature. Just as you try to shame us, females do the same when you simply question, in a polite and logical way, the feminist ideology shoved down your throat. When I questioned it in High school, they put me on medication to ‘fix’ my mind. They openly describe themselves as social engineers. How do they have the moral authority to conduct such experiments? Who the fuck are they to determine that my mind is wrong and needs to be fixed. They have turned masculinity into a pathology and you don’t find this infuriating? or even cussworthy??? WTF?
I think the gender war allowed women to strip men of a huge number or rights, and made their priveleges and rights to grow to the beyond. Every day females get new rights at male expense. Now I agree with you to some extent, because of male-male competition and female choice, it is not likely that we can use females as an scape goat for every uncomfortable thing in the world, like feminists have done with men.
Fell free to curse up a storm on my site, I even upgraded the comments section and you can embed youtube video directly into the comments
http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com
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It begins….
Oakland to lay off 80 police offers.
It is already high crime. What will happen now.
Misandry shrinks the tax base, for reasons I explained in The Misandry Bubble.
Trollking :
I think women will get the point very quickly.
Unfortunately, no. Women don’t understand cause and effect very well. They certainly don’t understand why tax revenue can max out.
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Yeah, I know, I was just using that as an easily accessable example. The sad fact is that most of the california ghetto isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. I had a friend from compton, he was very successful, and he said that so many athletes and actors graduated from his school that they pumped huge amounts of money back into it. He told me that they had state of the art equiptment and was surprised when he saw how little my shitty southern HS had. He was coaching some sports teams because he was a former professional athlete. Maybe a better example would be Watts, or Harlem. But from what I understand Harlem isn’t that bad either because it has so much community development projects, because CNN does special after special on it do to racism and what not. Detroit is a better example.
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Yeah, this is true. But I think some women get it, the tea party has alot of women that understand their meal tickets are about to become exstinct. I don’t think they understand the causes but they sense something is in the air.
I was thinking more about females just waking up one day and realizing all their privilege is gone. The female that calls the cops and no one shows up. The single mother who goes to the store only to find out that Walmart doesn’t even take WIC or food stamps anymore because they aren’t repaid by the government because men aren’t paying these taxes anymore. The girl who goes to a free clinic for abortion and is shocked when there aren’t any protestors because the clinic is closed. And so on, it will hit them like a ton of bricks one day, even if they fail to understand the cause.
http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com
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I think women will get the point very quickly.
Unfortunately, no. Women don’t understand cause and effect very well. They certainly don’t understand why tax revenue can max out.
Perhaps you’re right, but if misandry bubble keeps growing (and it will!), then it becomes visible for more and more normally neutral people. On some point the truth becomes obvious.Then these people (i mean men AND women) grow into a critical mass, and the justice will explode into feminists ugly face.
Evil can win battles, but not the war.
Hitler also had millions of supporters.
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Then these people (i mean men AND women) grow into a critical mass, and the justice will explode into feminists ugly face.
Whiteknights/manginas are the enemy here. They are the ones who fight the hardest to mistreat men. Much more so than the average woman.
Note that both left and right contain pedestalizers, so this really does transcend the current understanding of left vs. right.
I’ll have an article about this up at some point.
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this is a paragraph from the article,
Many of us here at The Spearhead spend our time thinking of ways to counter the sexual revolution, restore patriarchal civilization, and re-enfranchise beta, delta, gamma, and omega men back into society. However, while it is good for us men to cuss and discuss the options for accomplishing this revolution amongst ourselves, we must consider ways and means to convince a sufficient number of women that our cause will be of greater benefit to them in the long run than the feminist’s cause. That is, if we are to succeed in reversing the Marxist takeover of our families, homes, and society.
This will never happen. The easiest way to know is how women justify abortion,killing sleeping husbands,and many other obviously unfair to men laws and rules. (the old “not all women are like that ” comes to mind) Women are very child like and selfish.Other wise “game” would not be possible. The Patriarchy or the end of female privlege will end when women suffer from female privlege. Women are capable of justifying killing children.Take it from there and have a debate on any issue about fairness on any subject. Beating your head against the wall is starting to sound like a good idea.
The key to ending feminist female privilege is to have women suffer from female privilege. Women have no capacity to understand any thing else. (always remember no matter how cute she is,how smart she seems,or how nice her ass is a woman can justify killing a child)
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Male only…artificial reproduction by what ever means imaginable…changes human history forever…irreversably going to happen…not “IF” , BUT ?…When…,This will be the final resolve to every complaint by males. The exact opposite of feminist abortive destruction…is..male reproductive reconstruction…opposites…attract, as nature intends. All else is playbill…
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“Oakland to lay off 80 police offers.”
TFH asks: “It is already high crime. What will happen now.”
That’s easy.
1) Oakland will try to stop shop owners and residents from protecting themselves and their businesses with firearms from criminals with firearms;
2) Police effort will be prioritized to arresting men trying to pick up prostitutes (which Oakland is regionally notorious for). Their cars and other property will be seized and sold without hearing or any reasonable process (much less a guilty verdict); and
3) The major remainder of police resources will devolve to basically filling out forms and making reports. Senior police officers will review the reports, and report on their findings.
The unemployed former officers will look for work with private security agencies (demand should skyrocket) or other police groups, like BART police.
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@theWomanBashers:
Guys, I am a pragmatist.
And a methodological skeptic.
I have concluded two things about publicly visible woman-bashing in the “MRM”:
1. It is unwise
2. It is unnecessary
I am NOT referring to your actual feelings about women. Love them or hate them – that’s your call! I am not the thought police, and I do not enquire into that.
But woman-bashing rhetoric is, in a political way, highly counter-productive.
And again, most importantly of all, UNNECESSARY.
All that’s needed, is to order matters so that people reap what they sow!
Open entry and equal opportunity!
Rather than pretending to know what the “true nature of woman” is, just keep an open mind and stand back. Take note of what is reaped and what is sown.
They who sow badly, shall reap a poison harvest – and indeed, already have. Such ones ought not be permitted to sow again.
On the other hand, those who sow well and reap well should be rewarded, and permitted to sow again.
Methodological skepticism, combined with “by their fruits shall ye know them.” That is the ticket.
Those who mindlessly slam women are the opposite polarity of the white knights, colloborationists, pedestalizers, manginae. . .
As a scientific thinker, one ought to stay above that fray.
And once again, woman-bashing RHETORIC is bad policy, in a purely PRAGMATIC way. . . .
I hope somebody found this illuminating.
Fidelbogen. . . out.
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I thought I’d give a little input as a woman.
The basic fact is that women can not be led back to basic civility (even ignoring patriarchy) unless they are forced to face their own consequences, and unless their basic views are changed. One must change both incentives and preferences, which only men are capable of doing. Doing so requires them to be independent of women to a large extent, and as anyone under 40 can tell you, single men are for more ‘patriarchal’ than married men; partly due to the fact that the most intelligent and independent men are no longer attracted to women (who aren’t from asia).
Perhaps your best bet would be, if you HAVE to have a permanent woman, get her from Southeast asia. American women are, like all American minorities (except asians) trained to be anti-civilizational left-wing punks; and are basically a waste of protein.
Of course, I’m Korean and might be biased.
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Sorry for the late reply all. 12-hour days at the office and all that.
@ Jake Turner
Hardly absurd. Ever heard of the term, ‘first brown, then red’? Communists realized that the National Socialists were their ideological cousins and considered fascism to be waystation to fully realized Marxism.
Their close relationship also helps explain why the fascists and the communists hate each other so much, and why our communist-friendly media back then and today continues its information war against German fascism.
But make no mistake, all four of these guys trace their ideologies back to Marx, one way or the other.
And yes, Bismarck was a lefty too. As was Wilson and FDR and Teddy.
@ Dick Johanson
Pretty easy to find, actually. I’d encourage you to go look.
@ Cato,
You’d be correct, too. All I said was that marriage makes men more productive. The evidence suggests that industrial-age marriage actually truncates men’s longevity.
Natalie Go,
I fully expect you’ll have a marriage proposal from one or more of the guys on this site by the end of the day.
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Fidelbogen wins the thread. All this braindead venting puts the site in disrepute. There are many other places for that stuff.
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@fidelbogen
What makes you think play nice to women is really all that productive. You’re pragmatic. You got the answer huh? just be polite understanding and patient and we can come together in peace. Play nice while begging for answers as to why after shaming the MRA’s they take way your kids. Theses same woman you stand up for won’t bat an eye as you stand alone in your closet and hang yourself. Stay above the fray for when they find your body these women will refer to you as a wimp and coward.
You are a stupid man if you they women will chose to have any thing to do with changing society. (don’t beleive me? take a look at the next post)
When these topics come up we usually get a few that try and shame men into silence. I believe it is out of fear that men will start to understand women are not going to stop. We just passed with this finance reform crap new female privlege with the federal reserve banks. As bad as the economy is women don’t stop. Men are going to have to stop this madness on our own. Men need to understand that and playing nice doesn’t work and never will.
Tell you what fidelbogen I’m a nice guy. I won’t go and actively punish women and will sure as hell not care if someone else does. Indifference that is what todays women need and lots of it.
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My Beijing friends called Korean ladies “moon cookies” (you have to know what a moon cookie is to understand — it’s actually a compliment of sorts).
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That second anonymous post was greyghost, My bad.
I might also add that A.M. McFadden, Jason are just as clueless and lost as our buddy fidelbogen.
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Unfortunately there is plenty of new money to be found by the US government. It’s in the ground in US national parks and other public land (so I’m told).
Instead of cutting back much further, the US government will shortly allow drilling and exploration for oil closer to the coast and onshore, citing the current disaster as the rationale behind it. This way they get to look like the good guy, while helping themselves to the wealth they’ve always wanted.
So the cupboard isn’t quite bare yet, and those of you in the US may not see a total collapse as soon as is anticipated.
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“That second anonymous post was greyghost, My bad.
I might also add that A.M. McFadden, Jason are just as clueless and lost as our buddy fidelbogen.”
Sigh! That’s what I get for trying to communicate something subtle. Did anybody actually READ my comment (as opposed to “filtering” it)?
Why do I even bother?
All right, go ahead and post woman-slamming rhetoric like there’s no tomorrow. Never mind about the right way to do politics. Just do what “FEELS GOOD”. . .
Instant gratification! Yeah, gotta love it!
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“Tell you what fidelbogen I’m a nice guy. I won’t go and actively punish women and will sure as hell not care if someone else does. Indifference that is what todays women need and lots of it.”
Okay… that’s good.
This statement tells me that you are starting to get the picture.
But you still have a few things to learn. . .
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The 2 anonymous comments directly above are my own. My bad.
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Indifference that is what todays women need and lots of it
Do you mean ignorance?
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Hmmm … What was it that Sun Tzu wrote? Ah, here it is:
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
- Sun Tzu
Small wonder that Communists have specifically targeted women.
The Soviet Union had hundreds of divisions of soldiers but never was able to conquer NATO – they never even tried.
Now they have undermined the foundations of Western Cvilization by subverting our womenfolk and and using them to slowly dissolve our society.
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“the leaders of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Soviet Russia, and Maoist China all deliberately and successfully courted German, Italian, Russian, and Chinese women in their revolutions.”
Weren’t Hitler and Mao disproportionately supported by beta males?
I’ve seen some people in the PUAsphere describe the Nazi seizure of power as essentially a beta male revolution and I think they are onto something. Nazism was a violent response to the moral degradation of the Weimar Republic which was characterized by all the social ills MRAs bemoan today: the decline of marriage, the sluttification of young women in urban centers and their monopolization by alpha thugs. Berlin and other German cities were cesspools of sexual deviance and fornication in those years. Nazism was supported by the peasantry and the lower middle-class – the ‘angry white males’ of their time – and promised to strengthen the patriarchy. AFAIK it is true that many young women who had not yet become whores voted for Hitler because he promised them longer maternity leave and more welfare payments or something like that.
Most of Mao’s soldiers were poor peasant beta guys from inner Chinese provinces where wealthy oligarchs and warlords monopolized the attractive women and dispossessed everyone else. Mao’s main enemy was Chiang Kai-shek who was basically an alpha-enabler mangina without any political or military talent. Gangsters, warlords, pimps and other alpha thugs thrived in the big coastal cities like Shanghai under his rule. Mao struck down on all them and forbade the keeping of concubines. All this clearly advantaged poor beta males.
Stalin is also a bad example. In fact in the early 1930s he strengthened the institution of marriage, eliminated no-fault divorce – or at least made divorce more difficult (I don’t know the details) – and criminalized abortion. Most women supported him because they were getting really burned by the permissive divorce laws and societal collapse under Lenin. They wanted to live in secure marriages and were forced to enter the workforce and do some responsible labor themselves. In fact, Soviet women in the 1930s did exactly what many MRAs seem to want American women to do today! Soviet society before Stalin’s forced collectivization and abandonment of NEP was the playground of rich kulaks, inner-city merchants, gangsters and other alpha thugs who were sport-fucking young women. Stalin killed them all.
I don’t know much about Mussolini’s policies. AFAIK he was an all-out alpha male, just like Stalin.
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Hi Hollenhund, do you have some sources to confirm your assertion? I have read nothing about it
. And “Weimar republic” and pre-Stalin Russia/USSR did not last too long ( not more than one decade and a half ).
The world we can see here seems to survive a bit longer – until a much worse collapse.
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This is from fidelbogen. He still thinks women give a damn. Check this out right here “Never mind about the right way to do politics” Now this man thinks women think like men . Woman will and can justify killing children in the name of women’s rights. It is done openly and regularly. There is not a snowballs chance in hell you can be kind and PC enough for women to involve themselves in ending misandry. Not going to happen.
When I post comment on here I’m not talking to women any way. I’m talking to the men the made it to the spearhead the hard way. The men I’m talking to are the decent family men that are society has decided are not worthy of being treated as human. If speaking to men about the reality of what is going on is slamming women, so what. These men played by the rules and where rewarded by having there lives taken from them. These are good men nations need to survive and as unnatural as it is for these men they need to understand that they are the only ones to end this madness. It is so unnatural for men to see the reality of todays women in society today that many commit suicide. These men don’t need some PC’d up nice guy to tell them anything.
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Höllenhund:”Nazism was a violent response to the moral degradation of the Weimar Republic which was characterized by all the social ills MRAs bemoan today: the decline of marriage, the sluttification of young women in urban centers and their monopolization by alpha thugs. Berlin and other German cities were cesspools of sexual deviance and fornication in those years.”
By the late 30s, Nazi Germany had a wonderful culture going on where single mothers were supported and celebrated for providing the Youth of tomorrow. There were group homes for girls who got pregnant out of wedlock where they were well fed and clothed.
Young men were encouraged to get women pregnant, whether they had wives or not, and the children were considered the property of the Reich.
There’s a very interesting book on the subject called Education for Death, which was later the basis for a short film by Walt Disney.
Totalitarian regimes require disunity between men and women, and they use the Marxist playbook. Stalin and Hitler worked quite well together for a while there, before Hitler got uppity and broke their agreement.
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“DirkJohanson:
I was in Compton a few weeks ago. I was rather disappointed on how not shitty it was. Maybe I just couldn’t find the “good” parts. If anyone can suggest a part of town where I could get the rush of feeling like my life’s in danger when I revisit the Coast in a few weeks, please pass it on.”
Try Alvarado off of the 5/101 or any of the exits off the 110 between the 91fwy but before the first exit for Downtown L.A., after 11pm but before 4am (shift change at either end and graveyard will usually have fewer patrol cars on the street and thus each unit will have a larger area to cover.)
Oh, whatever you do, do NOT make eye contact with anyone who tries to ask if they can wash your windows – and definitely don’t roll down your window or leave any door unlocked. They can get pretty aggressive, and they usually are carrying a knife or something else that can be used as a weapon.
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“DirkJohanson:
I was in Compton a few weeks ago. I was rather disappointed on how not shitty it was. Maybe I just couldn’t find the “good” parts. If anyone can suggest a part of town where I could get the rush of feeling like my life’s in danger when I revisit the Coast in a few weeks, please pass it on.”
Alvarado Street off the 5/101, any exit off of the 110 between the 91FWY and the first exit for downtown L.A.; go between 11pm and 4am when the officers usually head back to do their paperwork and it’s time for the shift change – plus graveyard always has fewer patrols out thus each one has a bigger area to cover.
Don’t make eye contact with anyone who tries to ask if they can wash your windows, don’t leave any door unlocked or window rolled down – they can be pretty aggressive and usually have a knife or something else that can be used as a weapon.
And I recommend the Roscoe’s C&W in downtown L.A., the one in Carson is a close second. Don’t bother with the one in long beach though.
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I don’t owe women any respect. Respect is earned. I’d fight tooth and nail to defend the honor of Hestia, DeadEye, and plenty of other women who have earned, not just my respect, but my true admiration. I know great women, and I know women are capable of being great, but 99% of bitches need to be shamed and gamed back to the patriarchy or get used to true equality, which means dealing with men on men’s terms. We don’t just bash women here, we bash each other all the time, but yet the tone of our debate is only questioned when its used against women? Hmmm. The whole point of allowing anyone to say anything here is to ensure an open and censorship free flow of ideas. Once something becomes “offensive”, than anything can be labeled offensive and silenced. People need a lesson in how Free Speech works. If people aren’t being offended, its probably not “free” enough, and if its not free enough, all sides of the debate are not being considered. I’m sorry reality and truth is often ugly, and talking about it requires ugliness also, but that is the way it is. Does that mean we should be extremely mean fro meaness sake? No. But sense we can’t know anyones true motivation, I think it would be unwise to stifle any voice of hate or pain, as long as they don’t disrupt the debate by spamming or endless provocation.
Free Speech, 1st Amendment, most important right. If all ideas were nice and pretty, we wouldn’t need it.
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Did the feminists get anywhere by “not hating men” and not “bashing” them? Voluminous quotes and so-called works attest to the opposite being the case. Did the French Revolution occur because the middle and lower classes petitioned and begged the King for change? How about the Bolshevik Party in Russia – did they compromise?
Real social change comes from being “extreme”, guys. Placating your enemy is a recipe for guaranteed failure.
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“I don’t owe women any respect. Respect is earned. I’d fight tooth and nail to defend the honor of Hestia, DeadEye, and plenty of other women who have earned, not just my respect, but my true admiration. I know great women, and I know women are capable of being great, but 99% of bitches need to be shamed and gamed back to the patriarchy or get used to true equality, which means dealing with men on men’s terms.”
Quite right. You don’t “owe” women any respect, and you don’t “owe” them anything at all. “Owing” implies political obligation (duty), and political obligation implies the existence of a social contract with generally accepted moral authority.
Given the current political condition of men (sliding toward peonage), any pre-feminist social contract is VOIDED. And any pretended feminist social contract which presumes to replace it, is simply rejected out of hand.
Civilization is now in a state of moral freefall, even if most people don’t yet realize this.
Moral authority/duty/political obligation are no longer vested in any social contract. Rather, they flow from a moral law within yourself.
Is that a dangerous state of affairs for civilization in the long run? Yup! But that is simply the way things are; I am simply reporting on the objective state of the world.
Now. . note the bolded passage in the cite above. I do not think it is wise policy to make such statements. You are entitled to your opinion; that goes without saying. But rather than saying “99% of women are bitches”, wouldn’t it be more cool and savvy to say something like ” far too many women are selfishly invested, to one degree or another, in the anti-male status quo.” ??
Do you hear the difference in tone between those two versions?
Compare “99% of women are bitches” with “far too many women are selfishly invested in the anti-male status-quo.”
Which of the two is a more politically wise way of phrasing. . .? Which of the two helps the cause more, or hurts the cause more? Wouldn’t you agree that the second phrase “gets the job done” without the harsh edges?
After all, like it or not, this IS politics.
But in the long run, the good news is that you can say almost anything you want if you pay close attention to the WAY that you say it.
It’s not WHAT you say, it’s HOW you say it!
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“Which of the two is a more politically wise way of phrasing. . .? Which of the two helps the cause more, or hurts the cause more? Wouldn’t you agree that the second phrase “gets the job done” without the harsh edges?”
That would imply that a person cares whether or not what they say has harsh edges or is offensive to others. Besides, “you can’t tell no one nuthin’ they don’t wanna hear”, which is the case for many a reason. It’s impossible to convince someone of something when they’ve already decided their way is the right one because “it just is”.
And careful wording as to avoid hurting feelings and crap is basically insulting those women that don’t want special treatment, “get” the underlying message encased in very angry words, and have done the work to get where they are and for what they have without doing so on the backs of other people. Oh, and those who don’t make up words – without realizing that until someone runs spell check for them – and try to weasel out of that by comparing themselves to Shakespeare while erasing the evidence.
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At the very least the antagonism sidetracks from whatever the issue may be. In any reasonable discussion angry sweeping attacks only create another issue, they don’t address whatever the issue at hand is. I know nearly everyone on this site doesn’t believe that there can be any reasonable discussion with women (according to the broad and bitter sweeping types, that would be women in general), so what does it matter? It would appear many think men can win the war through brutal tyranny, when in fact there shouldn’t be a war at all – not because women should be over men, but because both sexes need each other. If you can’t allow for that then you are just out of touch with reality.
There are women out there who don’t even realize that MRMs might have a valid point to their beliefs. Yes, feminism has been culturally ingrained within the majority of females – that doesn’t mean they are all unequivocally blind, that they don’t see something wrong . At first mention of “men’s rights” it is probably completely natural that their hackles will go up, because they’ve been brainwashed to react just that way. That doesn’t mean that some of them, even if a rare few, won’t convert. It all depends on how much they are honest with themselves, and it might take awhile, some time of persevering non-antagonizing but straitlaced conversation for them to actually start thinking – if they, or you, can make it that long.
But it’s going to be a hell of a lot harder to be willing to see the truth about feminism clearly when MRMs provide food for the feminist soul, even the tepid feminist soul, simply because emotions and feelings are what (so society and the media tells them) guides their reason. Ah, what can make a feminist get up on her righteous horse more than an angry MRM advocate making brutal, uncouth, sweeping assertions? If you say “good” to that I have no idea what good you think you are accomplishing, you just place more power in their hands, more power to say to the rest of the world and women, “see, we are victims! Here is the proof!”
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“Which of the two is a more politically wise way of phrasing. . .? Which of the two helps the cause more, or hurts the cause more? Wouldn’t you agree that the second phrase “gets the job done” without the harsh edges?
After all, like it or not, this IS politics.”
Hyperbole for effect. When is that sarcasm font being invented? Obviously only 96% of women are bitches.
Humor is great for skewering politics, especially political correctness. Plus, we are the angry, militant black panther wing of the MRM. Let Glenn Sacks or possibly Paul Elam be the MLK.
“If you have no critics you’ll likely have no success.”
Malcolm X
I encourage you to be a balancing force in the MRM. Good cop/ Bad cop tends to work pretty well. I want the MRM to be diverse anyways. Be as tactful and politically correct as you can be while arguing against me or feminists in general. I have no problem with that. Pussy. (I’m juuust kidding there. See, funny. I feel you man. PC just ain’t my style. I’m too much of an attention whore. I have this inferiority thing where I need to be noticed.)
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“At the very least the antagonism sidetracks from whatever the issue may be.”
But in a highlarious way!
(Jeez, everyones so serious today.)
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“At the very least the antagonism sidetracks from whatever the issue may be.”
But in a highlarious way!
(Jeez, everyones so serious suddenly. Don’t ya’ll know its fun to be mean sometimes. I didn’t make the rules. Growing up me, my brother, and all our friends “antagonized” the hell out of each other. It taught us to not take everything so seriously and helped us to develop thick skin. Its just the way I roll.)
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Thanks for the tips about Compton.
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“The biblical parable of Adam and Eve in the ‘garden of Eden’ shows how wise ancient men were in those days. They knew the nature of women and wrote accordingly. The female was the first one who was corrupted and she in turn used her influence accordingly. Adam became a mangina and succumbed.”
The ancients most certainly were wise – the Holy Scriptures, inspired as they were by God, do not hold back at all in their portrayal of women and their nature (or the nature of people period, but that is another time.) See Ecc 7: “One man among a thousand have I seen; but a woman among all these I have not seen.” They are talking about the upright and respectable.
There are numerous other such verses.
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Uh-oh. Dissention among the ranks. Well, there’s at least something to be said for having visited a men’s issue blog site.
“…work out, be mature, don’t be a push over, make decent money and be a man and things would be much better. It did wonders for me”.
– Well,..I wouldn’t want to doubt what works for you. Yes, carping at all women for following the actions of the feminist leadership of a few can’t be a good thing. We don’t have to look too far to see what the many feminists followers have accomplished as an example of your point in reverse. And women/feminists have had many decades of organized experience with that, and paid for by ‘real men’.
Real men. Ya, those who keep silent and do as they’re ordered. We’re trying to point this reverse dynamic out to others. Even to the “weak” women who have practical experience with vilifying men.
Someone on here once wrote, ‘mess with the bull, you get the horns’. Only, the horns here are words.
Your proposed solution of making money as a fix to the gender debacle is what may have helped get us where we are today. Yes, earning money is a good thing. It brings resourses and a certain amount of independence. But is making money keeping someone from helping others and turning a blind eye to all the nonsense?
You say learn ‘game’ as understanding the male/female dynamic. I won’t argue either way on that. Surveys, studies, research, etc. and media reportings on the male/female dynamic in the broader sense are also as important as the understanding ‘game’ for on a more individual one on one level.
That individualistic, “you’re alright Jack” (somewhere else), real man silent code may be the main factor that helps facilitate the removal of a fair amount of decent men from their children, from homes, money, employment, and certain freedoms. Silence can indicate assent to all of what happens. It also allows for one man to be picked off one at a time. It can also keep men from talking with each other to compare notes. Some here aren’t having any of that.
“These men’s rights issues are extremely important but why does every discussion descend into resentment/stereotyping/hostility towards all women, indiscriminately”?
– Having observed how the culture has changed over the years, I direct my most colourful expressive thoughts about the deteriorating relations between the sexes and its effects upon society,deservingly toward feminists, most of the time.
And maybe the secondary fall-out toward the rest is somewhat warranted. Most are going along with it all and publicly saying and doing nothing. Come over and say, “hi”, girls but don’t stay too long. There’s a process going on. This is a rare place to blow off some steam and land up on your doorstep. It could get ugly and take a while. When that’s worked off and we’re more organized some will be expecting you to take up the slack.
In short, I understand some of the criticism. But bringing together a lot of guys from around the world toward a common useful purpose is going to take some time and may be offensive to some. That too will pass. In the mean time this place is just a blog site that features topics of interest to men.
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Just about singletons being less productive…
Family, peer, political, cultural pressures ensure a single man is actually quite productive for that very reason – to not remain a singleton, the pressures foster the motivation to be very productive as so to secure a woman and marriage.
No pressures around here…
Before marriage, many a man is trying to produce his butt off in the hope it will attract a mate. It’s like he’s building a dowry. In this event, his efforts are utilised, exploited in many ways.
A man’s compass therefore is woman. Most of everything man does is so to be seen in the light of woman. I now don’t agree with this, but that’s how a lot of man’s nature is, that’s his harddrive. Everything man does he believes somehow at the end of it all, there will be a woman who appreciates his efforts.
“Pretty easy to find, actually. I’d encourage you to go look.”
Is there a measure for productivity?
Unless we are saying marriage is the product and the measure itself.
It’s just a different springboard.
We could say marriage is ‘the product’ of a highly productive male, who will now transfer his producitivity into a new one, involving new members along the way. It’s more a case of man’s productivity being channeled ‘differently’ after marriage.
If the impression is that single guys are not as productive, they’re trying but after knockbacks, productivity becomes introverted. If anything, there is not much choice but to ascribe one’s own productivity to MGTOW.
Consider the current relationship/marriage climate and the ‘risks’ of having all one’s efforts and ‘productivity’ being pulled out from under one’s feet.
It’s not to say singleton’s productivity does not have a wide-reaching, contributive effect for the rest of society however. For the singleton period it most likely remains pragmatic, industrial, economically contributive, but it’s not to say there are not singleton community workers/helpers out there.
What is productivity, or ‘success’ for that matter, productivity – for whom?
There’s only so far a man can go being productive to attract the attention of a woman (his ability to actually be able to charm or even talk to a woman aside). A single man can have much drive to secure a woman and a future, resulting in ‘productivities’, whether it earns some big company money out of his labour or his private endeavours give something back to the community.
Perhaps a married man can get quite tired sometimes, his productivity levels drop, after all, his mind has many things to worry about, his energies channeled elsewhere. But it’s going back into family, so that’s productive too, in it’s own measure for society (i.e., upbringing kids, etc), as you say.
Thing is, man can be very productive in marriage but is it really 100% ‘utilised’?, or is his axis damaged/tilted through marriage? Present-day, it seems man’s productivity is sapped, exploited, blocked, frustrated in marriage, by you know who.
Hence more understanding needed by madam as you have explained, the gravity centred, for it is man that depends on ‘the hub’ not to spin out of control, releasing damaging forces, (somehow, although present-day I find it hard how she will not), but rather for woman to assist man’s/society’s productivity.
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Damn,
We could say marriage is ‘the product’ of a highly productive singleton, who will now transfer his producitivity into a new one, involving new members along the way…
…is what I meant.
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We could say marriage is ‘the product’ of a highly productive ‘singleton’..,
..is what I meant.
(this may post twice (?))
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“Good cop/ Bad cop tends to work pretty well. . .”
My thoughts exactly. And after all, that is what the feminists have been playing on us for years and years, so it’s time they got a taste of it.
And never fear, we WILL get critics. You should hear what certain feminists have said about ME. . .!!!!
Now pour yourself a cold drink and go study Machiavelli or Sun Tzu for a while. Okay?
This is making me very tired. I need to blog about this subject…big time!
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“Productivity.”
Productivity OF what….FOR what. . . for WHOM…. and most of all:
WHY???
(Pardon me for being a philosopher, but that is how I roll.
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Married men more likely to be healthy? Not necessarily.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18marriage-t.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general
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The only way to put an end to Misandry is through male reproductive emancipation from the female of the species.
Females will never be interested in getting on board because her fundamental nature is incompatible with a state of non-misandry.
She exists on the whole to reject males, not accept them.
And by doing so she improves the fitness of the species by denying those males she deems unworthy of progeny.
What else could be a greater act of hatred than this?
Females will get on board whatever suits them and pretty much everything suits them. Feminism leads to Female Utopia – gynogulag – slum/ghetto/fun. Patriarchy leads to a male run gulag in service of the gynaeceum. Both paths overweeningly benefit the female, both paths hate the male and demand that he jump feminine hoops for vageen and progeny.
“Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?”
“No” says the feminine “It belongs to me. ”
Women have no interest in social investment, they’d be on the construction site or working in the mines if they did rather than shuffling paper and jabbering on the phone.
Put an end to Misandry- Male reproductive emancipation. Female redundancy.
That’s all there is.
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Women copulate with, birth, nurture, and raise the society they want. When a woman points a finger of blame at men, four fingers are pointing back at her vagina.
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@saige
It’s right around the corner, isn’t it? So close. So close.
Things are happening faster than I ever imagined.
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Hi Elusive Wapiti,
I wrote about this article of yours on my blog. Here’s my input into this matter.
I’ve read Laura Grace Robins’ blog, “Full of Grace, Seasoned with Salt,” she has a post referencing this article. She mentions that women should use their influence positively to help society. I think that one way to get women to change their minds about feminism is through the help of women who do not blindly follow feminism. We need women who have such enviable qualities about them that the feminists will want to become more like them and less like feminists. Maybe these great women can become the leaders of a new movement, one that takes women away from feminism and into something that’s better for women, men, and society.
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I have to object to this article for two reasons. First it has the tone of “men are better than women”. Even if you wanted to view it as a “men and women are different” article it’s still objectionable. It makes no sense to argue these positions because even if you could i prove either of these two points they’re both counterproductive and not inclined to produce any desirable end. You’re just opening up a can of worms and stereotyping us as chauvinistic and reactionary. These issues have been decided in just about everyone’s mind ,and very few women and most men are not going to revisit them. It’s better to take a present day and future perspective
My second objection is the defense of Patriarchy. This is an artificial system which imposes an unnatural sexual monogamy and reproductive pair bonding on both men and women. It’s primary effect in to “entitle” women to the economic and social resources of men and to “obligate” men to buy from women reproductive services. Men should resent having to buy as much as women resent being bought.
I do not support marriage because it is founded on the premise that men are not entitled to sex or a relationship with their children except through marriage and the keeping of a wife. This means we “owe” them something for what we are entitled to anyway. It gives them possession of our resources and our children by it’s very nature. This is the source of all our relational, reproductive, legal and economic problems with women. By accepting marriage we accept that we are not equal to women and have to “make up the difference”
Our position should be that women are obligated to support themselves and those children they chose to have “on their own” entirely on the own, and that men are only obligated to support those children that they chose to have and have actual custody of. We are not obligated to support women in any way either as husbands or as “state and society” . If baby daddy does not want or have custody of his children and baby mama needs additional support for her choice and her decision she should seek help only from the collective of other women.
We need to assert that men have a right to a relationship with their children independent of a relationship with the mother of those children for no other reason than that they are our children. We don’t need to “earn” that relationship, it belongs to us. Reproductive and family law needs to recognize biological reality and not continue to be based on a property rights argument. Santa Claus does not really climb down the chimney, the Easter Bunny does not really lay eggs, and little girls don’t really grow up to “make babies” . Neither the embryo nor the child are “belong” to the mother, are “made” by the mother or are “part of her body”. This is just a self aggrandizing delusional fantasy on the part of women
At the same time we are not obligated to accept her decision to have and keep a child as binding on us also. Just as sex does not obligate women to either give birth to a child she does not want, keep it as opposed to putting it up for adoption, or supporting it after she does put in up for adoption, sex does not obligate us either. Again if she needs support she can get it from the collective of other women. We don’t in any way shape or form “owe” women anything either as individuals or as a part of society. We should not allow them to gain our resources by “marrying” the State either.
Defending Patriarchy is defending the idea that men owe women because they are women and puts us at an inherent disadvantage.
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That is literally the most f-ed up thing I have ever heard. Poor children. If the primary end of marriage was the procreation and raising of children in the first place (as it rightly should be), and NOT about each partner saying it’s all about my needs, my wants, what I get out of it, ME, ME, ME, patriarchal marriage would work, because the procreation and raising of children is the whole point of patriarchal marriage in the first place. There is no such thing as a true patriarchal unless it rests on that – if it doesn’t rest on that it’s just a facade to which eventually both parties will say, “wtf? Why am I doing this? I don’t want to be tied down to her (him) – he (she) makes me so unhappy!”
So if you want to know if the woman you are considering marriage to will ever divorce, get a restraining order on you to prevent you from seeing your children, get a false rape charge against you etc…. figure out why she is getting married. If it’s just because “I LOVE you, I want to be with you forever!” and not about children, DON’T DO IT! She will hold her sexuality and eventually her children hostage to her desires or whims. Patriarchal marriage can work, but only if you pick a woman who truly believes in the patriarchy.
Perhaps we should just remove all of girl’s eggs at birth, test-tube all children, and raise them on collective government farms, thus bypassing all this father/mother relationship mess. Or not, because that would be completely f-ed up. The embryo is just as much a part of a woman’s body as sperm is a part of yours. To assert anything else is just plain silly.
Yes it does, abortion is murder, and when men allow women to play god with the outcome of their sexuality, men are as much of the problem – you give women the power to hold their sexuality hostage. That is why when abortion was legalized it was considered SUCH a major milestone for feminists.
The child conceived is a mutual production – for which both parties are responsible. You are obligated b.c you had sex in the first place, and you shouldn’t be having sex unless you planned on having kids. And that’s the truly patriarchal view, not “have sex whenever you like and if you have a kid, well, damn!” Marriage isn’t for the spouses, it’s for the children.
Again, you are stopping short of the big picture on patriarchal marriage. The semblance of “owing women” only comes of the fulfillment of the first end of marriage, i.e. the procreation and raising of children. Thus, take away the first end of marriage and all you are left with is a facade of what marriage is supposed to be; at that point, you are “paying something for nothing.” That doesn’t mean that the flaw lies with patriarchal marriage as an institution, it means the flaw lies with you for picking such a bad spouse. Her job is to have sex with her spouse, raise and nurture her children, take care of the family needs. If she isn’t doing that, she’s a shitty wife, and it sucks to be that guy- but don’t blame it on the institution. Everyone needs to start taking some responsibility for doing the nasty.
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