Epoxytocin found an interesting example of what goes on in America’s courtrooms, forwarding it to me and suggesting that perhaps women are no longer getting a pass on account of their sex.
Due to draconian sentencing guidelines meant to punish men, a Nevada woman received a life sentence for allowing a 13-year-old boy to fondle her breasts. Although eligible for parole in ten years, the woman’s life is essentially destroyed. In the video of the sentencing, her female attorney breaks down in tears at the “injustice” done to her client. Certainly, it is harsh, but what this woman is facing is reality for American men. Nobody would shed any tears if a man were to receive the same sentence for having a girl that young touch him sexually. In fact, this happens to men all the time in the US.
Honestly, I think the sentence is excessive, and the judge appears to have the same opinion, but if women expect equality in all spheres of life, then it is necessarily just under an equalist regime.
Let the lawyer weep over the monstrosity that her sisters have helped to create, and that put her in front of a judge to make a futile statement against the brutal laws that our man-hating society put in place.
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Even the title of the youtube video is meant to elicit sympathy for the woman by minimizing her crime. A man would be described as a monster in such circumstances and media coverage would be along those lines.
I too think sex crime penalties are draconian, but as long as male sexuality is demonized and men are doing hard time for petty crimes like indecent exposure this bitch deserves every year behind bars a man would for committing the same crime.
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This sentence is unbelievably harsh. This poor woman showed bad judgement that resulted in a very minor crime where the victim was not hurt in any way and now, as a result, her life is ruined. This makes me think I need to be more guarded in my interactions with other people’s children, especially male children. It’s scary.
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Is this site ever going to tap into anything better and more interesting than a male version of victimology?
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yeah, welcome to the club. this is the reality and mindset men have faced whenever they are around other’s children (and even their own) since the past two decades at least.
Where was your indignant outrage at obscene sentencing in the last two decades as countless men were thrown into cages for sex crimes that were even less serious than this one (ie. indecent exposure, sexual harassment)?
Why is it that women only start giving a shit about civil rights when theirs are being trampled on?
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They want equality – let them have it good and hard! That is but one way to force the pendulum back to more sane and rational jurisprudence.
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Big Deal. Men get screwed day after day with these kinds of laws. A female got a taste of her own medicine, too bad. It wouldn’t surprise me if this case inspires feminists to have the law changed to make an exception for women in these types of cases.
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Team Woman: This is the world you have wrought, and I won’t be satisfied until you feel it’s consequences tenfold.
If this was a man being convicted, Team Woman would be cheering and celebrating by buying fabulous shoes with child support payments from their ex-husband.
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I’m applauding the judge’s decision. And I’m not at all surprised at the comments from the typically self-serving females 9on this blog. I pray that judges throw even more child-molesting females behind bars where they belong. Real equality ain’t all that fun, eh ladies?
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I suppose I’m supposed to be impressed/sad/empathetic/whatever when the woman’s attorney breaks down and starts crying.
Whatever.
10 years for permitting a fondling. Yes excessive. But no different than what men get, and women everywhere yell ‘sic ‘em’ when male ephebophiles do the same thing.
And yes, it really does seem that the only time women care about injustice is when their ox gets gored.
Schopenhauer was right. It must be in the genes.
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It is always gratifying to see an educated modern female professional show her genetic roots by reverting to an emotional wreck when things just don’t work out for her. No doubt she’d be the first in line to bitch about being kept down by the patriarchy over a couple glasses of shitty wine with her fatass girlfriends. I love it!
And for all of me her child molesting client can rot in jail for the rest of her life. That shoe’s not so comfortable when it’s on the other foot, eh sister?
Welcome to true equality.
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This video was pretty tough to watch, frankly, my heart went out to the defendant. I have a son a little younger than 13 years old and he would be laughing with his friends if he happened to touch a woman’s breast. If I found out about it I may confront the woman next time I saw her and tell her to grow up, but I can’t imagine calling the police. I would think the police and the court system would not want to bother with this petty stuff.
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Yeah! I can see them sitting in Cheese Cake Factory right now, drunk on White Zinfandel, blubbering about how men are pigs and checking out the ass on their waiter.
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Laura10- Thank you for continuing to provide ample evidence you couldn’t care less about a man’s daily reality, and will defend a woman no matter what.
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@ Laura10 But what if it was a guy letting your son touch his junk? Sure you’re son prob wouldn’t want to touch some guys junk but what if he did? Would you still refrain from contacting the police or would it suddenly be OK to have the guy locked up for doing what everyone feels so bad about this woman being locked up did?
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You don’t like it, huh? Tough luck, bitch.
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You know the sentence is excessive when even the prosecutor points out that the sentence is excessive. But both lawyers and the judge knew where that one was going, especially since the judge was evidently bound by previous state supreme court decisions on that law. (Which is why, I think, the judge allowed her to introduce new arguments without filing motions for them in advance, it didn’t matter.) The defense attorney is right, it does make the sentencing hearing kind of a farce.
Looking forward to the inevitable appeal, that should be interesting.
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So, some chick got caught up in the net laid for men….big deal.
She’s experiencing nothing out of the ordinary for men, why should I care about her?
For that matter, even if she isn’t…again, why should I care? Do women care when men are treated unjustly?
NO.
They deserve nothing less than the same treatment.
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Baphomet,
I know you had some inappropriate experiences with you babysitter, so this might be more personal for you. Honestly, though, do you really think this boy is harmed in any way by touching a woman’s breast? I mean how mentally weak would he have to be to let something that insignificant get him rattled. I think he is going to feel much worse about sending this woman to jail than he will feel about touching her breast. I be interested to hear your opinion.
the dude,
Good question. That seems worse to me. I would let my husband decide how to handle it. He told me he would want to beat the man up and he did say he probably would report him to the police. A concern I have would be that my son would be very embarrassed about the whole thing and other kids finding out, which in a way would make me want to avoid any type of trial. Also I think if the man was found guilty 10 years would be way too harsh a sentence.
When my mother was little a man flashed her while she was walking to school. She told her parents and I’m guessing maybe they called the police, but they did not make a big deal out of it with her. As a result she was never traumatized by it in any way.
It be interested in hearing your take on it.
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“the judge allowed her to introduce new arguments without filing motions for them in advance, it didn’t matter”
Well, that and that it precludes her appealing the issue if her new arguments had been denied.
“The legislature doesn’t know the facts – they never intended someone like HER to be charged!” Yes, the laws were only intended to be used to charge men. I must say, I continue to be impressed at the competence and professionalism of female attorneys.
@Laura10: “I need to be more guarded in my interactions with other people’s children, especially male children. It’s scary.”
Yes, welcome to our world. I don’t know why you think you need to be especially gaurded with boys. Wait until some girl(s) accuse you of abuse or molestation because you’ve pissed them off. As one comedian said- it’s like kids discovering Kryptonite, that they can call the cops on any adult, any time. Locally, a teacher gave one girl detention, and another girl accused the teacher of molestation because the detention interferred with their plans . . . to go to the mall. Goodbye job, goodbye career.
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I’d think that as these types of cases play out – and they do – women will cease to want equality. After all, if being equal under the law means that some of them will be treated to the same injustice as men have FOR DECADES, then they’ll find some way of being unequal under the law. It would just be typical of this situation.
I hope the woman suffers the same heartbreak that men do (equality) when the courts decide you’re worthy of being emotionally and in other ways destroyed. I know that seems wrong, but eventually women’s movers will perhaps understand the cruel and unjust handling of family law when the tables turn on THEM. – THAT WOULD BE A RELIEF IF THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME RECOGNITION of the RUIN these WOMEN have left in their tracks. Yes, THEIR tracks.
Now she get the opportunity to walk that crappy mile in a MAN’s shoes. – I hope she feels it to the core, every day, as I have.
THAT, TO ME, WOULD BE FAIR, at this point in time. I wished that things did change for the better in the future , really I do.
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@Laura10
You are trying to rationalize the situation with emotional appeal, that shit ain’t flying.
You think it is wrong then change the law that men have endured and women are finally feeing the bite of. No more pussy-passes that let women off with a slap on the wrist.
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If a man had touched a little girl would you have said she will go and laugh with her friends afterwards? To think that you would laugh off a woman taking advantage of your son speaks volumes about the type of mother you are.
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Laura10- Thank you very much for the good question.
Here’s my best answer.
My personal opinion, with note to my individual past experience as someone who was molested, is that it is excessive.
My opinion, taking into account the reality we live in, is that feminists and their social conservative enablers pass draconian laws like this to “get tough on men” because “men are perverts.” I cheer the fact a woman is suffering the consequences. I challenge anyone to argue women would even shed a tear for a man in a similar situation. Men have breasts and nipples too, you know. Nope, the response would be “Men are perverts and they deserve it.”
As an aside, I will not approach, speak to, or even take a second look at a child. Boy or girl, even if the parent is present. If I am a man and therefore presumed a pervert, kids will have to go about their lives without me. However, I wish them well from afar, and I hope to help create a better world for them.
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Laura10,
You want women to be equal to men, don’t you?
Well, this sentence makes this woman equal to what would happen to a man in similar situation.
You got the equality you want. So quit whining.
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Women have an extremely limited ability to understand cause and effect. Laura10 proves this limitation of the female mind.
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And yes, it really does seem that the only time women care about injustice is when their ox gets gored.
As Roissy says, women never care about justice at all.
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I know there are many similar cases where men have been unfairly punished. Why don’t you guys go to bat for them? I would think men would be able to judge a man’s behavior better and women would be able to judge women’s behavior better.
Nurbs,
First of all this boy is 13 years old, not exactly a little boy. He’s also probably very interested in sex. I would think making too much out of the whole thing, as these people, are doing would be being a worse mother, personally. This woman was drinking and wasn’t thinking clearly, she is in no way a threat to society. She should get a slap on the wrist and be sent home.
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Those 4 men in prison-garb in the back, handcuffed, were probably accused of similarly minor crimes.
So we still have 4 men going to prison and just 1 woman.
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Elliot Spitzer’s Wife: One of the few that gets it
she admits she is partially to blame for husband’s infidelity because she neglected his sexual needs.
WOW
this kind of public candidness from a woman who has been wronged is unheard of :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042302349.html
Spitzer must be one of those males that Roissy refers to as an “alpha”
Tiger Woods, take notes, you pussy
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Laura, why do you assume the woman was just being immature by letting the boy touch her breast? Maybe she was grooming him for sex. You make such generous assumptions up until the perp is a male.
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Laura10,
You still don’t get it, do you? Again, women lack such capacities.
Why don’t you guys go to bat for them?
What do you think this website is for?
This woman was drinking and wasn’t thinking clearly, she is in no way a threat to society. She should get a slap on the wrist and be sent home.
She only deserves to be let out if millions of men, similarly mistreated, are also let out. Deal?
You still seem to think that women should be held to different standards than men. This woman going to jail is due to women being held to the SAME standards as men. So do you want equality, or not?
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Juicy irony is juicy.
This will be a good one to follow up on in a few years to see if they get this repealed on her account. I won’t be the least bit surprised if they get her out early.
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I think this is a good time to quote a passage from Schopenhauer’s famous essay, just in case there are guys out there who haven’t read it.
The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice. This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning: hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning.
Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one. To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights. (me: one reason why women feel less guilt than men). A completely truthful woman who does not practice dissimulation is perhaps an impossibility, which is why women see through the dissimulation of others so easily it is inadvisable to attempt it with them. (me: Game proponents would disgree with that) – But this fundamental defect which I have said they possess, together with all that is associated with it, gives rise to falsity, unfaithfulness, treachery, ingratitude, etc. Women are guilty of perjury far more often than men. It is questionable whether they ought to be allowed to take an oath at all.
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@Laura according to your logic it is significantly worse for a woman to flash a boy than a man to flash a girl. You think a 13 year old boy is interested in sex? Well that logic also applies to a 13 year old girl, doubly so since little girls “mature” faster. So if she’s interested in sex and hardly a little kid, as you say of the 13 year old boy, then why should a man who flashes her be beaten by your husband? He wouldn’t dream of beating a woman who flashed his son.
Taking the route that a woman’s sexuality and being is different than a man’s, as you have doesn’t fly in this day and age of modern equality where women outnumber men in the workforce. Since women can vote and work just like men they should be accountable for the sexuality just like men. You can’t have it both ways and expect to be taken seriously.
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You men here would be aware of a recent case where a woman actually did get incarcerated for a rape accusation in the UK. Now this one. My opinion about this is this is the start of the slow stripping away of ‘privileges’ for women. They will be slowly more and more oppressed until sentencing ‘equality’ is achieved. And yes, life for letting a boy fondle your breasts is silly. But this is what the PTB want to do…have the ability to lcok up anyone they want for a long time and the sheeple too dumbed down to notice it.
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I would be happy to have laws explicitly providing greater punishment for men for sex crimes, in exchange for an end to female quotas in male professions such as fireman, soldier and math professor.
It does seem excessive. I woman in my region of N. Calif. was recently given one year for repeated intercourse with 15 and 16 year old boys. The DA (a mangina?) thought it should have been six years.
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What the hell are you smoking? That’s a terrible idea.
Equal punishment for equal crimes. Give jobs to the people who can do the jobs. Do not compromise.
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I would like to extend my gratitude to both Welmer for airing this story, and to TFH for inviting Laura to stick around and get educated.
Yes, this woman did have the book thrown at her, because a young boy touched her breasts. Indeed it is harsh. Yet, I feel nothing. Not even a smidge of sympathy. This is the daily grind for men: welcome to equality, ladies.
Here is the Justice Department’s definition of domestic violence:
“Emotional Abuse: Undermining an individual’s sense of self-worth and/or self-esteem. This may include, but is not limited to constant criticism, diminishing one’s abilities, name-calling, or damaging one’s relationship with his or her children.”
Do you now see, Laura, the kind of state-enforced psychological terror men must live under, when a woman can divorce her husband under the flimsiest of circumstances, such as ‘loss of self-esteem’? Not to mention holding the children as ransom, and other such acts of terrorism.
By the way, the lawyer crying at the end of the video didn’t do anything for me -no tears, nothing. If I ever tried a stunt like that with my parents they’d just laugh, or tell me to shut the fuck up.
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However, this Nevada woman will not actually be treated the way male “molesters” are treated in prison until she is, shall we say, compelled to perform lewd acts behind bars.
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Tim-
You may feel nothing, but I’m celebrating.
Were that definition equally applied to men and women, 95% of the adult female population who have lived with a significant other would be behind bars.
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If a man talked a 13-year old girl into rubbing his dink, or even his chest for that matter…
There would be people out there seeking the death penalty, people wanting to cut his penis off etc…
Nobody mentioned anything about cutting this woman’s breasts off, or wanting the death penalty for her etc…
There is the double standard – eventhough she got a tough penalty, the double standard is still there.
That woman crying – lately I have been forcing myself to view women crying as a complete LIE.
Trust me – it helps. They are called crocodile tears. IGNORE THEM – they are FAKE!
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WISECRACK!!!!
The ad by google under the video – “www.life360.com” is what it links to- is about SEXUAL PREDATORS.
IT SHOWS A LITTLE GIRL AND A GROWN MAN…
IRONY OF IRONIES!!!
The whole post is about sexual stereotypes, and a woman molesting a boy – yet – the ad under the video – shows the stereotype of a man as being the pedo, and a little girl as being a potential victim!
The day we see a mix of MEN and WOMEN as both being victims and pedo’s, then we’ll be equal…
And I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.
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@Laura 10,
This goes to what actually constitutes law. Are we going to have a legal system that judges based on the ‘victims’ feelings, or are we going to base law on objective fact?
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“A woman’s tears are lies in liquid form.”
Can’t remember who said it, but it’s the truth.
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Since men get very little help when they are in this situation, expending any energy helping women in the same circumstances seems like a waste; it might not, however, be the same circumstances: she will probably get help from the media that no man ever would.
I surprised it wasn’t the boy that was arrested-I’m not kidding.
Laura10- thirteen is not exactly a little boy? Imagine a man saying that a thirteen year old girl isn’t “exactly” little. If society doesn;t protect boys and girls the same, it doesn’t protect children at all.
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I feel sorry for this woman. Obviously, I feel sorry for guys who get these kind of sentences as well.
Our society is crazy in how we give out “life” sentences like candy. “Life” isn’t that what murderers are supposed to get?
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A lot of sexual crimes cases are highly subjective. I can be a judge of a woman’s behavior, but it’s hard for me to be a judge of a man’s behavior.
the dude,
I was talking about my son. I never mentioned anything about a daughter. Let someone with a daughter answer that.
Women may work and vote, but it still doesn’t mean they are the same as men.
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Laura10, thanks for hanging around and I hope you don’t run away because of the rougher-than-you-probably-expected reaction to your question.
I bring this up all the time with feminists, to no avail. They love to trumpet how “girls mature faster”, yet can’t seem to quite grok that such a fact means that the equivalent crime to an adult female asking a 13 yo boy to fondle her wobbly bits is an adult male asking a 11 or 12 girl to do the same to him. Or that a 19 yo male having sex with a 16- or 17 yo girl is a biologically equivalent pairing, in terms of physical and mental development, that is.
Kinda puts things in perspective a bit.
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The concept of ‘real equality’ doesn’t seem to penetrate the female mind.
Women still ‘feel’ that they are somehow special and ‘equality’ when it’s bad doesn’t apply to them.
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Laura,
Nice job at burying your head in the sand. Are you incapable of acknowledging that women are some of the primary drivers behind misandry?
A private charity in Canada, the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness was responsible for drafting and pushing thru the new statuatory rape laws in Canada. That’s right. A private organization basically wrote our laws. Who runs this organization? A woman. Who drafted this law? A woman. Ironically this charity was created because of the story of a boy, Martin Kruze, who was abused for years. They also do more work for women then they do for men. How peculiar.
Men have been “going to bat” for a while now. It doesn’t seem to matter when half the population is complicit with pushing a misandrist agenda.
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Zimmy-
Very true. That is because in a truly equal environment, women’s inadequacies would be revealed in about 15 minutes.
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They love to trumpet how “girls mature faster”
The claim that “girl’s mature faster” is really nothing more than women rationalizing their intrinsic preference for hypergamy.
I never understood why when I was in high school, there were always a lot of girls who had boyfriends who were out of school…18 – 21 year olds (often military guys). Girls would say because they were “more mature” and wanted to date guys on their own “maturity level.”
No, the young girls like older guys because it satisfies their hypergamous instincts, not because they are any more mature than the guys their own age.
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I disagreed back when guys on here were saying women shouldn’t be able to comment but seeing Laura 10′s complete lack of logic makes me understand that train of thought. Just sayin
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Iwatched the video and I said to myself. “So what bitch do the time.” They will have the law changed for women.
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Heh,heh,heh, I was about to suggest; there are no feminists in foxholes.
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As a Nevada resident myself, I find it curious that no one has raised this case as an issue in the upcoming gubernatorial and legislative primaries.
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I thought you guys were being a tad harsh to Laura, until she wrote:
“First of all this boy is 13 years old, not exactly a little boy. He’s also probably very interested in sex. I would think making too much out of the whole thing, as these people, are doing would be being a worse mother, personally. This woman was drinking and wasn’t thinking clearly, she is in no way a threat to society. She should get a slap on the wrist and be sent home.”
Time and again we come across this mentality… that basically men (including teenaged boys) are sex-obssessed, just want to get “lucky”, stick their permanently throbbing members into any available hole that they can find. It’s this sexist and misandrist view of men (you know, like the one that men think of sex every 6 seconds etc) that feeds into the hysteria over rape and paedophilia, and paints us all as potential rapists and kiddie-fiddlers. I wouldn’t be surprised if this 13yo lad feels rather sullied by the experience….
As for the life sentence… ludicrous, of course, but am sure after she gets out in 10 years time, she will find it all a positive learning experience.
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Just caught an interesting thing I missed earlier. The jury wasn’t allowed to know the sentencing terms should she be found guilty. I wonder who’s idea that was? If I had to guess I’d say it’s part of the law code for these kinds of crimes so juries wouldn’t be inclined to jury nullify them when DAs were overzealous in their prosecution of men.
In other words feminists want their pound of flesh and this time they cut one of their own by accident.
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Zimmy-
No war necessary in my opinion. Just take away the government subsidies and the special protection and women will be lucky if we even let them work in the kitchen.
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@Keoni Galt:
” They love to trumpet how “girls mature faster”
The claim that “girl’s mature faster” is really nothing more than women rationalizing their intrinsic preference for hypergamy.
I never understood why when I was in high school, there were always a lot of girls who had boyfriends who were out of school…18 – 21 year olds (often military guys). Girls would say because they were “more mature” and wanted to date guys on their own “maturity level.”
No, the young girls like older guys because it satisfies their hypergamous instincts, not because they are any more mature than the guys their own age.”
– my experience too (except for the “military guys”, though they usually had cars). I’d never heard of “hypergamy” then, but I could see it for what it was.
@Nutz
“In other words feminists want their pound of flesh and this time they cut one of their own by accident.”
Yeah, funny aint it? But then… the ideology tells us that women don’t do bad things like this, so how could they plan for this? Mind… come the appeal, am sure she will be found to have been abused herself by some man and is therefore a victim… of… the… PATRIARCHY!
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If a man was found guilty of fondling the breasts of a 13 year old girl and sentenced to life, feminists would be delighted.
Feminists routinely post that they hope that men who are convicted of sex crimes against women get raped in prison. A PG-13 version of a femminist comment might be “I hope that a 300 pound guy named Bruno gives it to him every night for the next fifty years.” This is the mentality of feminists who de-cloak just enough to show their true face. Women don’t care about rape if it’s man-on-man rape. In fact, they love the idea of men being caged for decades with sexual predators. “Rape as retribution” is universally popular with women, as long as men are the only prsioners that are brutalized.
If an injustice doesn’t affect women, then women just don’t care. If guy doesn’t pay child support of alimony or support a woman or child, his life and his human rights mean NOTHING AT ALL to feminist women.
If a hundred men recieved the exact same sentence under identical circumstances, the media would not bat an eye. In fact, Nancy Grace would probably demand their castration as a pre-emptive measure against the mere possibility that they would commit more crimes in the future.
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Hear Team Woman ROAR:
“This is an outrage! That law was meant to apply only to men! That 13 year old boy WANTED it! The convicted was a woman, and therefore not responsible for her actions! Quick, call the First Lady and tell her she needs to get the pussy whip out!”
Gooooo TEAM WOMAN!!!!
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Gotta say it Laura10, you really showed your true colours there….better be more careful….
Whoah here she comes, watch out boys, she’ll screw you up!
Whoah here she comes, shes a ManHater.
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Laura,
You cannot have different standards for men and women.
Plus, a woman is not likely to know how women think. I say this often – veyr few women can discuss how women think in a detached manner. This is why Game works, and why no women have produced literature that actually helps men become more attractive to women.
This woman should NOT be in prison for what she did, nor should about 500,000 men who are in prison for something similar.
But you CANNOT talk about freeing this woman without also freeing 500,000 men. Period.
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Also, girls do NOT ‘mature faster’. Most women never mature past the age of 13, on an intellectual level.
Choose any brainy game, like Chess, Backgammon, Scrabble, Trivial Pursuit, etc. Select a random group of 13-year-old boys and adult women to compete against each other.
The boys will win. Every time.
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There’s no mystery involved at all. Laura10 basically said what we’ve heard over and over and OVER again in rape trials…
“He wanted it”.
I know it wasn’t OK when it was said “She wanted it”, but if it’s a boy or man? Hey, everyone knows it’s true…right Laura?
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Gentlemen,
Let’s be grateful for one thing here : It could have been much worse.
The 13-year-old BOY could have gotten a mark on his record, and registered into the sex-offender database.
If nothing else, lets be glad at least that didn’t happen.
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Of course the female must be subjected to the same penalty as a man. But another big problem is that we have harsh penalties for just about everything. These “sex offender” lists were originally intended for people who molested Children and were also considered so out of control that they were almost psychotic and had to be watched carefully. That’s like a handful of people. A few people here have mentioned “flashers’ and as far as I can remember these people were just considered a nuisance and might be convicted of disorderly conduct or something like that. If a child was involved than the flasher would probably get a few months in jail.
The fact of the matter is that we have become a police state where practically anything you can think of is illegal and the punishments are draconian. Practically all of these laws are female inspired. Females have a tendency to never feel “safe” and this is especially true when there is not a man in the house. The State is sort of a replacement for that man and all of society has to be under control so that she and her kids feel safe. This is why we see such crazy things as a 21 yo drinking age even though a person is a legal adult at 18 (btw this has to be unconstitutional). Or we see DEA agents harassing older people with medical conditions because they filled a prescription for”too many” morphine pills. Then we see everything from 8yo boys to 100yo men being labeled as sex predators (there a 100yo man in prison now in NY for this and they’re making him serve another 2 yrs rather than release him)
Blame females and feminists for all of this and since they are apparently irrational there’s really no point to even argue with them. We must impose rational thinking on them and if necessary use force doing it.
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Yeah, I’m having a hard time giving a shit about how many years of jail the woman got. I don’t even care enough to watch the video. The only thing I know is men get these draconian sentences all the time for similar crimes involving children. I’m glad to see a woman get the same sentence a man would get. Bring it on.
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I guess MRAs who don’t understand human nature are happy now. They don’t understand that sex is a female resource and any boy who gets sexual attention from a woman is lucky. It really makes me sick that society punishes women up to life for being nice to boys, and that some men don’t know any better than to support this charade.
In fact, treating women as sex offenders is the ne plus ultra insult to men and male sexuality and especially sexually frustrated boys and men. I take it personally and you can’t surpass this. This is the ultimate triumph of feminism.
In my opinion, the way to fight draconian sex laws is not to pretend boys can also be victims of women, but to educate the public about sex differences. We need to make it absolutely clear that sexuality belongs entirely to women, so it is impossible for a woman to commit a sex crime under any circumstances. And then let people decide how big the abuse industry needs to be, how draconian sentences should be for sex crimes, based on the honest recognition of the fact all of this is intended to curtail and punish male sexuality and demonize men.
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Why doesn’t this thread show up in the forum? I want to edit my typos.
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Arpagus is obviously just a troll, guys.
Ignore him, don’t feed him.
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Call me reactionary, soft in the head, whatever.
10 years to life for allowing a touch? It matters not the sex/gender to me.An overly excessive sentensing. I know there’s more circumstances in this case, of course, than what the video sentensing portrays, but still. If having been juried in that case I would not have sided with this outcome. I won’t argue too much regarding another jurisdiction’s decisions but I hope she gets another day in court.
The following is an example of justice denied from start to finish.
This case defies all fair reason and looks more like political interference than due process. Sorry folks, I just don’t take things like these too well.
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Here’s the link (again):
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http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/feb06/06-02-08.html
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/feb06/06-02-08.html
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I wonder if feministing.com or pandagon.net will mention this story?
I’m kidding, of course. This doesn’t fit the feminist meta-narrative and, therefore, will never see the light of day at those websites.
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Arpagus comment= dark humor/satire I’m pretty sure.
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The sentence is indeed overly harsh but I fail to feel any sympathy. Consider this as collateral damage in a raging gender war. Feminists started the entire pedophile paranoia nonsense, so it is perversely satisfying when one of their sisters whom feminism purports to liberate is, ironically, enslaved and humiliated.
Think back to your parents’/grandparents’ era. I betcha in those days, you could walk up to the playground, and let any random kid, boy or girl, sit on your lap in full public view, and nothing would happen to you. I dare you to try this today, especially if you’re a man. Why do you think we get the ‘no man sits next to an unattended child’ rule for some airlines? Why do you think that father got arrested for snapping photos of his own children?
The feminized society has gone to the shitters, and maybe, just maybe, the amoral and infantile cows out there will begin to rethink feminism when more of such collateral damage cases emerge.
P.S: Attorneys can cry in court to gain sympathy now? Unprofessional.
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I was wrong. It was possible to sink lower. The ne plus ultra of feminism is to be taken as a “troll” or “satire” on a supposed men’s site while pointing out feminism’s most egregiously offensive lie.
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By your logic, if a woman rapes a man, the man should ‘take it like a man’ because a freebie sexual commodity was dispensed to him, i.e he got lucky.
Woman-boy = romance, and Man-girl = outrage. Consistency, please.
Sex is not a female resource. A woman’s raison d’être is sex, sexuality and sex appeal. However, it is nothing without the attention and cooperation of a man, and his penis resource.
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Luckily the boy didn’t get her pregnant. If he had, then he would have been liable for child support. I wonder if the female attorney would cry about that too. I doubt it.
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@TFH
No shit, she could have spread her legs and got herself knocked-up and this 13 year old would have been on the hook for child $upport for the next 18 years. Seems I read about such a case fairly recently, someone else may have a link to it. So when a woman of the age of majority seduces an underage male (first base isn’t that far from a home run) they are putting his very future at risk.
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Factory,
I don’t understand what you’re talking about. I basically said much of the same thing most of the men on here said.
As far as male sex offenders go, my neighbor was all upset a few years ago because she found out one was living down the street from her. He’s an older man and has served his time so I told her not to worry about it. I’m not even sure who he is or which house he lives in.
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I’m fairly sure that if I decided to write a book that attempted to encourage women to change their attitudes towards men and alter their current patterns for choosing men, it would be such a colossal waste of time. No publisher or their employees would buy that sort of manuscript – I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to burn it after reading only a few pages. Thank god I didn’t choose to be a writer as my occupation. I already get enough crap for having the audacity to express out loud that fathers have just as much of a right to custody as women during divorce proceedings, and that the legal system is too easily manipulated to give a preferential bias towards females in family law circumstances.
I don’t think that the female attorney crying was something deployed for sympathy; it seems like it happened because she had invested so much energy into the case and failed, which could very well be a rare experience for her. Of course, such types develop during childhood and can follow different paths; many popular and spoiled types of females don’t have their first experience in dealing with the consequences or have to work through the feelings that follow a failure for the first time until they’re well into their adult years.
Pedophiles are such a great concern because they truly can be *anyone*, and they’re usually difficult to detect early on – usually they’re discovered only after doing something that is too major to not notice. Combine this with the fact that sex offenders commonly relocate and don’t register themselves intentionally because they want to disappear – parents are concerned because even with the laws, the police loses track of a lot of these types of offenders until the next time they commit a similar crime. Many people blamed the parents of the guy in San Diego who just pled guilty to murdering two girls for what he did – he was 30, he led them to the second body, and they found dna & related evidence linking him to the first girl’s death. Because the potential damage these kinds of cases bring even if the person is exonerated, hysteria is the last thing that should be driving a case – regardless of the gender of the person accused of the crime, there needs to be clear evidence to support allegations, and the media shouldn’t be allowed to release any reports until the investigation is done and the prosecution has filed charges. I think that that would be a good way to lower the number of false claims that turn out to be about getting paid, since that is a major component in these circumstances.
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Female Attorney: “She could have gotten less years for murder”
Yeah, thank feminism for that.
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Whoa, tough crowd. This is a grotesque travesty of justice, just as in cases where men get treated like crap for a very minor offense.
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msexceptiontotherule,
Why did people blame his parents?
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MGTOW said:
Yes, of course he only got lucky. If you believe women should be treated as criminals for “raping” men, then you have accepted the feminist social constructionist lie that the sexes are equal that is the basis for all this madness including draconian sentences for sex crimes. Back when sex crimes only applied to men and everybody understood that it would be absurd to treat women as sex offenders, this type of sentencing for some fondling would be unthinkable. Draconian sex laws came about at the same time as feminists started pretending the sexes are equal and wrote gender neutral laws. I think that is how they got away with making them so draconian. Feminists invented the falsehood that women can be sex offenders and they won’t be deterred by women going to prison for it (these women are after all sleeping with the enemy). Most women and all feminists are only disgusted by adolescent boys. The victim in this case is as far removed from a feminist as she can get. She does not deserve revenge for the witch hung against men because she bears very little responsible for it. There is no reason to think it will help, either. Society is quite capable of persecuting women as well as men for bogus crimes, as historical witch hunts have shown. And to take a contemporary example, the drug war is fought against women as well as men. Draconian sentencing does not stop just because women are also affected. It might stop when men realize it is a war on male sexuality rather than a necessary measure to protect children from “predators” of both sexes.
You are asking for consistency with a reality in which men and women are equal, and that does not exist, other than in feminist mythology. In fact, a man and a woman having sex are not doing the same thing, so the consistent thing to do is to treat them differently and acknowledge that heterosexual sex is a transfer of value from a woman to a male because sex is a female resource. Not that I am particularly outraged by cases where men have sex with teenage girls either, but at least proscribing this type of behavior is based on actual exploitation of a valuable resource. Punishing women for giving up their resource of sex to boys is the ultimate irony and quintessentially feminist, as the last thing feminists want is for boys and men to enjoy female sexuality and there being any harmonious relationships between the sexes. When they can’t punish the male because he is a child, feminists are quite happy to imprison the woman.
The evidence for sex as a female resource is overwhelming. We have no “penis power,” so stop deluding yourself. The value of a man lies in his work and resources, and women harness those forcibly through taxation and don’t need to ever touch a man for reproduction if they don’t want to. Withholding your penis is just a joke — women don’t want it anyway. But they are happy to have you thinking you penis is valuable so you don’t see what is actually going on, and that is why feminists invented the lie of the female rapist and child molester.
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Arpagus,
Interesting points.
Are feminists all to blame for these draconian sentences or is some of it due to overzealous law enforcement? I don’t even consider most women I know particularly feminist. How do they get so much power?
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Arpagus,
This is probably why most people find the idea of a female sex offender comical.
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Laura10 is soooo right.
All those women fondling little girls in school is hilarious. Women can’t be sex offenders, so that means that Mrs. Molester fingering little Mary in class is just laughable.
Judge: “C’mon Mary, you know you wanted it. Besides, I can’t sentence Mrs. Molester to jail. Laura10 has pointed out how absurd that would be”
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@Laura10
They got the power by co-opting both sides of the duopoly political spectrum. In the 50′s, 60′s and even 70′s women who got knocked-up outside of marriage were rightfully disdained. As feminism took hold in the 70′s and 80′s the (so called) conservative side of the duopoly realized women had gotten beyond traditional controls on their behavior and re-packaged the feminist agenda as ‘Family Values’ legislation. A Hegelian compromise at best – the road to tyranny is the actual outcome.
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Cloud,
Does that ever happen? I’ve never heard of anything like that. I’m sure there are some isolated cases of truly sexually abusive women, but I still think it’s pretty rare. I heard some disturbing cases where a woman has assisted a man in his crime, though.
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Laura10,
You need to answer this question in order to proceed.
We can only free this woman from such an unfair punishment if we also agree to free 500,000 men who have been similarly mistreated. Deal?
Deal?
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Cloud,
I certainly don’t think women are saints. I would guess that they might actually commit more physical child abuse than men in general.
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TFH,
I would agree to that. This woman has clearly been mistreated, if 500,000 have been similarly mistreated I would have no problem reversing their sentences.
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Laura10,
I would agree to that. This woman has clearly been mistreated, if 500,000 have been similarly mistreated I would have no problem reversing their sentences.
OK, good.
Now, are you beginning to see how heavyhanded oppression of men (whether in sex-crime laws, or in divorce court) results in eventual problems for women too?
Read ‘The Misandry Bubble’ in detail. Twice or thrice if necessary.
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@Arpagus: You know what you’re doing is pedastalizing, right? Are you Joe Biden’s long lost cousin or something?
So in a nutshell, what you are saying is that women can’t be guilty of molestation/sexual assault because all men/boys want it, regardless, even baby boys right? Is that what you are saying?
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“Sex is not a female resource. A woman’s raison d’être is sex, sexuality and sex appeal. However, it is nothing without the attention and cooperation of a man, and his penis resource.”
I agree with you that sex isn’t anything without a man; and I believe that sexuality is more important to women that to a man, though we are told to assume otherwise.
However as men are seekers with higher sex drive and will continue, society will portray sex as something that women give up and will do the same, unless men turn to voluntary celibacy or are culled in significant numbers or make the women qualify themselves instead as game advises, sex will remain as a female resource.
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Poester99:
Especially baby boys. After all, without sexually aggressive women infant boys are too helpless to get it for themselves.
Arpagus is either a troll or he’s hurting badly and can’t begin to process it.
@Laura:
I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of active female child molesters is far higher then male. After all they exist in a culture that denies, minimizes and ignores their crimes plus they have far more access to predation.
The only real reason to think there’d be less is a belief in the moral superiority of women. A belief I am not interested in entertaining.
Or you could believe that women are less interested in sex… Which would make women, in aggregate, contemptible lizards.
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Laura10 April 28, 2010 at 10:13
This video was pretty tough to watch, frankly, my heart went out to the defendant. I have a son a little younger than 13 years old and he would be laughing with his friends if he happened to touch a woman’s breast. If I found out about it I may confront the woman next time I saw her and tell her to grow up, but I can’t imagine calling the police. I would think the police and the court system would not want to bother with this petty stuff.
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Feminism removed any choice law enforcement could have in situations like this. They,and their ilk, are responsible for this stuff in more ways than one.
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It is feminists and their ilk I hear proclaiming ” the law is the law”.
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I should also point out that if feminist truely cared about all women, they would have been all over this case to see to it the woman was set free or, if nothing else, given a very tiny tap on the wrist.
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@Poester
The only thing I have in common with pedestalizing or chivalry is recognition of the fact that female sexuality is supremely valuable and male sexuality is worthless. This is simply biological reality, and it does not follow that I consider women morally superior in any way or worthy of special treatment or respect unrelated to the fact that they are sex objects. It just means that women have something we want while we have no intrinsic value to them in our bodies. So indeed no, women cannot ever be guilty of sexual assault or abuse. The closest they can get is assisting a male perpetrator. I will never take any man or boy seriously who claims he is a victim of a woman’s sexual act itself and I loathe those who do. Usually they are feminists, but it is even worse when supposed MRAs support this most odious feminist charade.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Wooohoooo!!!! Great news, what a wonderful outcome !!!!!
Christ! Now I’m feeling horny damn it!!! I feel an uncontrollable urge to eat a large pizza(with the works) or have violent sex!
Heck! I think I’ll do both.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Wooohoooo!!!! Great news, what a wonderful outcome !!!!!
Christ! Now I’m feeling horny damn it!!! I feel an uncontrollable urge to eat a large pizza(with the works) or have violent sex!
Heck! I think I’ll do both.
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True justice does not discriminate. It must be twmpered with mercy and compassion. Punishment is represented by a double-edged sword; it cuts both ways. What mercy/leniency is provided for one, must be provided for all others. What harshness is provided for one, must be provided for all.
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Cloud April 28, 2010 at 19:26
Female Attorney: “She could have gotten less years for murder”
Yeah, thank feminism for that.
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Mary Winkler should be thanking feminism and the sexual biases of Tennessee’s sentencing disparities.
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“True justice does not discriminate.”
Agreed, but justice does not treat all acts equally, and a sexual act committed by a woman is not the same as a man doing it. Unless you believe the sexes are equal, which is a feminist lie.
Should justice treat stealing refuse from your garbage can the same as stealing gold from your vault? If you believe that, then you might have a case for not discriminating between male and female sex offenders. For such is the difference in value between male and female sexuality. But it looks like feminist brainwashing about the sexes being equal has been so successful that most of you simply cannot face reality. And the harm to men accomplished based on the same lie is far greater than the satisfaction of seeing some women getting screwed over by the system too occasionally.
Acting like this is a victory for men is very counterproductive. Feminists will just laugh and sell this woman down the river. There will be no “deal” of the kind TFH is proposing. And the next time a man is given a similar sentence, they can point to MRAs supporting the same thing like it is all good, gender-neutral justice. I will have no part in this. It is a bade idea to sacrifice our integrity for a dubious short-term tactical advantage
typhonblue:
I am assuredly not a troll. Yes, I am hurting badly and that is all because of involuntary celibacy. This hurt is intensified by the lie that women are just as interested in sex, and can even be sex offenders like men, because it implies that my suffering is not real. This is why I consider the myth of the female sex offender the worst insult of feminism and take it personally.
I don’t know about lizards, but the evidence for women being less interested in sex is overwhelming. Just see Baumeister, R.F., Catanese, K.R., & Vohs, K.D. (2001). Is There a Gender Difference in Strength of Sex Drive? Theoretical Views, Conceptual Distinctions, and a Review of Relevant Evidence. Personality and Social Psychology Review, 5, 242-273.
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Man Robbed By Drink-Drugging Women Speaks Out
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Man-Robbed-By-Drink-Drugging-Women-Speaks-Out-91897639.html
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Apargus is from Norway, a country that once was the land of manly men, and is now the land of the mangina, thanks to feminism. It is now impossible to purchase sex there, as prostitution has been outlawed:
http://www.wunrn.com/news/2009/10_09/10_26_09/102609_norway.htm
Moreover, a law which stipulates that 40% of all corporate CEO’s must be women is in effect. Norway is a matriarchy.
The only thing I can suggest to Apargus is just hang in there, buddy. Save your money and move to Thailand or the Philippines. I know there are tonnes of Norwegians there, fucking the shit out of the local girls like vikings of yore.
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Any intelligent man never makes even so much as eye contact with children. Because of psychotic laws and our sick, sick society created by women obsessed in their psychotic hysteria looking for ANYTHING that even looks or could be mistaken for sexual advance towards minors I haven’t so much as even looked at a minor in 20 years.
A man should never speak or look at children and only a drooling moron would work with children or assist them in any way. As a result I have really come to despise the sight and even the sound of children because of what they have now become to represent… psychotic, hysterical American women (who have all crawled up out of Hell) who have absolutely NOTHING else better (because they are incredibly stupid and lazy) to do then go to any extreme to put yet another male in prison for nothing.
American women and white knights will all burn in Hell and to Hell with all of their piece of shit children as well who are nothing more than minature versions of them. Get your children the fuck out here and out of my sight you POS, psychotic, monstorously retarded american women. If they were all wiped out tomorrow I wouldn’t shed one tear.
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If she had been attractive she still would’ve gotten off.
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Men and women are sexual creatures. Both want sex and express it in many ways, both commit crimes, both can be victims of a society owned by sexual hysteria.
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The woman has a prior conviction for the same thing.
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http://www.cfcamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1661:life-sentence-for-copping-a-feel&catid=3:news&Itemid=96
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Arpagus April 28, 2010 at 22:36
“True justice does not discriminate.”
Agreed, but justice does not treat all acts equally,
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True, it doesn’t. True justice isn’t contaminated by feminist juriprudence.
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This is a good sign, in my opinion. There should be no such thing as gender in the law.
The only way I’d have sympathy for her is if the 13 year old was bigger and stronger than her, and it was a somewhat forced situation that she just didn’t report because she didn’t want to ruin his life so early. That would be the only mitigating circumstance that would make me feel bad about this woman’s sentence. That wasn’t the case though.
If they’ve got unconstitutional laws that jack men up, then those same laws should jack women up too. They shouldn’t have it so that the defendent only has one option, and that killing a kid will get you less time than letting him grab your boobs. Since they do though, then the defendant’s gender is irrelevant.
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Arpagus, you’re afflicted by involuntary celibacy? Awww… you’re suffering and a martyr?
Blame it on yourself. Stop respecting women and vaginas will begin to drip for you. I know it’s hard when you’re growing up all pussified in a Scandinavian country.
Be a real man. Either:
1) A ladies’ man, swimming in pussy. or
2) Voluntary celibate. A.k.a going ‘ghost’. Gets easier with age.
Most real men choose a right mix of 1 and 2. Real men do not bemoan themselves to be incel and are therefore suffering because of it.
And please, stop quoting those academics as proof that women are less interested in sex. Women are just as interested, if not more so than men. What they like to do though is pretend to be a chaste maiden, uphold that pretty little pristine reputation of theirs bolstered by a few white lies.
At the age of 31, it’s about time you start to grow a pair. This is not a flippant remark, but honest advice. You can’t go on wallowing in ‘I’m an incel, woe is me’ self-pity forever.
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Most of you people on her side seem to believe “Oh, it was just touching some boobs, what is the big deal?” The big deal is that had this woman not gotten caught, it would have went further than just “touching boobs”.
I once had a discussion with someone about one of those (good looking) woman teachers having sex with a 12 year old boy. He said it was “no big deal, and the kid got lucky.” My response: “You’re thinking with a grown man’s dick. Imagine if she had been fucking my son (who was the same age).” You could see the light bulb pop on, and he went “Yeah, that isn’t right”.
Because of the testosterone coursing through their veins, boys at the onset of puberty DO want sex; however, if you ask any boy, he’d probably want to be able to drive a car (or a tank!), play with explosives, and cage a tiger and bear to see who would win the fight. What children WANT has no bearing on what is actually GOOD for them. That’s why they are called “children”.
The biggest danger of a GROWN WOMAN having sex with a young boy is that some young boys are so warped by this, they grow up to be serial killers. Does increasing the chance of becoming a serial killer sound like “getting lucky” to you?
Laura10, by your own standards it is not out of line for a 35 year old guy to play touchy-feely with a 13 year old girl, as long as she was in puberty, right? Or does suddenly that little scenario begin ringing alarm bells? (As it rightly should)
A 13 year old boy and a 15 or 16 year old girl playing “Dr”? Big deal, so what else is new? A 13 year old and a WOMAN playing “Dr”? That IS a big deal.
This kid didn’t “accidently” touch this woman’s boobs. She encouraged him to FONDLE her boobs. Big difference.
A grown woman having sex with a boy like that is going to prematurely awaken his sexual desire. Would you want to turn a kid like that loose around a bunch of naive 13 year old girls?
All of you “he just got lucky” types need to quit thinking with a grown man’s dick. He “got lucky” all right. He got lucky that she didn’t do more to him, and he “got lucky” that he probably isn’t warped by this, and he’ll “get lucky” if he doesn’t have a boob fetish when he gets older. (Here’s a hint, “fetish” =/= “interest”. Educate yourself.)
Would anyone think this sentence was “too harsh” for a man having a 13 year old girl stroking off his junk? If not, quit with the double standard.
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Sir_Chancealot
It wouldn’t even need to go that far. Men have breasts and nipples too, though in significantly smaller proportions.
Laura10, and anyone who says “the 13 year old boy got lucky” is a sicko and i have actually called out my male friends on this when they say it.
Dogs and cats in heat want to have sex too. That doesn’t make it okay to fiddle your pet’s genitals.
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Reality2010, I had never thought about it that way before, and I don’t doubt that there are many more men who not only literally avoid children but also, in avoiding being around them and thinking about them, are underprepared for being fathers when the time comes, and thus over-delegate all child-related affairs to their wives… another strike against them when the divorce comes along. They are being deprived of what should be a fundamental, biological human need. The second-order effects of these feminist laws can really go far.
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So what? If it was a man and a 13 year old girl the same argument could be made. If it were you would scream SEXISM and THAT’S RAPE and that the man should burn. Too damn bad.
So if a Man did the same thing you would let him go? No. Too bad. She does not get special treatment because she is a Woman. Let her rot.
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I agree that she should get the same sentence as a man in similar circumstances as it’s only fair.
I suspect some of the disparity in how men and women are looked at in these situations is because men have more ability to overpower their victim. And I’m sure the media brainwashing, the subtle “all men are rapists” type verbiage feeds into this.
Sentencing for men and women who perpetrate these crimes is way harsh…rape and a consentual body touch are treated the same, particularly when it comes to children. Sure, it’s not a good thing when an underaged kid is lured into touching an adult’s private parts but it’s nothing compared to being forced into rape.
I had a perv show me his stuff a few years ago…he was very polite….asked me if it was okay as he was taking it out! (Naturally, I said no and he politely put it away). It scared me and yet he certainly doesn’t deserve life imprisonment for it! (PS. I didn’t call the cops-it didn’t even occur to me to do so for some reason)
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What Laura10 is not realizing is one simple thing; Any ADULT, male or female who is attracted to a CHILD is sick in the head. That supercedes “well hes a horny 13 year old” Who gives a shit? What if that horny 13 year old caught an STD from that woman? Or got her pregnant and ended up on the hook for child support? Horny 13 year old my ass.
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What’s Good for the gander…is good for the goose…
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I think the only reason this is positive is that it highlights how unjust the laws are in this area. Otherise its an outrage. As Teddy Roosevelt said, bad laws will only be changed quickly if they are vigorously enforced. This may caue that. The case in Georgia a few years back of the 17 yo kid who got a BJ from a 15 year old girl got the law there changed and he was specially pardoned as well.
We have politicized the law now to the point where such injustices have become legion. The punishment does not remotely fit the crime here. It is the result of knee jerk populism combined with frontier justice romance. The only thing good about it is the fact that it perhaps sheds light on the unfairness and double standard involved in how such crimes are punished for men versus women. However, I also do not think this was a traumatic event for the boy. Most 13 year old girls today wouldn’t have been traumatized much either in this day and age. Especially if he were alpha. That is all that seems to divide a memorable experience from rape in many cases these days.
Women have created a witchhunt atmosphere about this issue and generally roast men for it and have done so to drive them out of the home. The secondary effects mentioned above are indeed deliberate. They are intended to separate men from children as much as possible society wide, in order to give women that domain for a power base as well. The accompanying irony in our society is that cultural Marxists are simultaneously trying to gradually and quietly make pederasty (man boy love) acceptable in our society. No doubt to one day completely separate men from women.
This whole case is a result of the ever escalating insanity on this issue. No one thought this law through at all and we write far too many such laws in America, mostly at the behest of women, and the manginas who grovel for them, I’m afraid. We need to loosen these things up and inject some common sense into these kinds of cases again for both genders. I’m sorry, America is a sex prison because of stuff like this. My heart still goes out for this woman. She got fucked by the US justice system too, like so many others. Two wrongs still don’t make a right. I have to wonder why it was even reported.
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Thor,
Great analysis of the whole thing. I just want to say I always enjoy reading your comments.
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Thor-
Whaaaa???? Not seeing any of this, and I live in a really uninhibited part of the U.S.
The total revulsion of the culture at the recent Catholic church scandal should indicate that.
However I do see evidence of “bromances” being promoted, meaning men of a similar age getting intimate without being “gay.”
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“An 18-year-old Carpentersville man has been arrested on a child pornography charge for having nude photographs of his 16-year-old girlfriend, police said.”
“The girlfriend’s mother called police after learning her daughter was pregnant, Carpentersville Police Cmdr. Timothy Bosshart said.”
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/teen-charged-for-nude-photos-of-his-16-year-old-girlfriend.html
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“Laura10: msexceptiontotherule,
Why did people blame his parents?”
Well, the people who used red spraypaint to write “Chelsea’s blood is on your hands” on his mother & step father’s home (specifically on their garage door) seem to have expected them to monitor him constantly while he was in their home, never mind the fact that the guy is 30 years old. Then there’s the crowd who discovered that his mom participates in “hashing” which is basically a group that goes on a pretty lengthy run and afterwards they all get wasted drunk & party – they’ve been attempting to get his mother fired from her job as a nurse in the behavioral health unit at Scripps Medical Center because the fact that her son is a rapist and murderer makes her incapable of doing her job, despite the fact that there has never been a problem or a negative review given – based on the information provided at least.
His mother and 3rd stepfather could be in a situation that’s a lot like that of parents with a drug addict child; they want to believe that their kid isn’t in trouble, that their problem isn’t that big if they acknowledge there is one at all, they want to believe that the child is capable of changing and will turn their lives around for the better. There’s no real way of knowing as outsiders whether they’ve simply been sticking their heads in the sand, or they could have been living in fear and terrified by threats that he made to keep them in line – we just don’t know because we weren’t there to see the family dynamics involved. There’s no doubt he killed those two girls, and that he managed to luck out with the middle term when he was sentenced for his first sexual offense in 2000 involving a 13 year old neighbor girl – something that probably needed to be handled differently when considering the fact that the psychiatrist who evaluated him for the court and the prosecutor’s office recommended a longer sentence because his behavior and refusal to acknowledge or show any remorse. There are many things that come into play in this case that are on my own blog, but since this is a blog about men’s issues not a blog on the crimes of sex offenders, I’ve got to end this comment here.
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Why the hell should the a man who did the same thing with a 13yo eager and untraumatized girl get life pardonable to 10 years prison either.
I mean if for example an attractive 32 year old male who knew and was friends in a “non creepy way” (the guy has an attractive girlfriend, or has had and dates) with a 13yo neighbor girl, who got all flirty with him when he was tipsy, and wanted to see an touch his junk? So he lets her touch him, and maybe get him hard, just for her edification and ok like the woman her for a bit of a thrill, but with no intention of overwheling or taking advantage?
You know they’re be no sympathy for that guy? But why not?
Why is that actually any worse than what this woman was convicted of doing?
Seriously now. Why?
Laura?
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It’s different because I was talking about a specific individual in a particular case; he punched the 13 year old in the face several times because she was resisting him, and was lucky to have gotten the opportunity to run to a neighbor’s house to call the police. The same guy 10 years later has entered a guilty plea for the murder of two teenagers and the assault with intent to rape of a woman in her 20′s; he led the authorities to both bodies, confessed to the crimes, was linked through dna, and avoided the death penalty through a plea deal where he agreed to change his plea to guilty and provide the two families answers to any questions about the crimes they had.
Otherwise, I ordinarily wouldn’t consider a situation such as the one from the original post about the woman in nevada to be any different than if it were a man instead.
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errr, that is, it shouldn’t be treated any different. If a case is handled a certain way when it’s a man being charged, women shouldn’t get a free pass for doing the equivalent crime.
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You had me up to the kiddie fucking, but how did the catholic priests get in there? And by there I mean a ten year old boy’s mouth.
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You guys missed some key points that were in the link Robert posted.
http://www.cfcamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1661:nevada-woman-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-forcing-teen-to-touch-her-breast&catid=3:news&Itemid=96
“In February 2008 Taylor was in an apartment with a friend’s 13 year old boy, kissed the youth told him to fondle her breasts and asked him to have sex with her.”
She was pressuring him to do it.
And more damning
“The District Attorney did say that initial plea negotiations were begun but were quickly stopped when Taylor said she would refuse any plea bargain that included her having to register as a sex offender.
There is no injustice here. She pressured him to touch her. Reverse the genders and it’s cut and dry. The man gets a plea to a lesser charge, registers as a sex offender, serves whatever the normal amount of time is, and no one thinks the slightest thing of it. SHE decided not to plea.
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Though, in my opinion, pederasts of any gender should be sentenced the same, I do understand Arpagus’s argument and some of the reasoning behind it.
One of the main reasons I do is because I’m from a family of early bloomers. Both males and females on my mom’s side of the family tend to be tall and hit puberty rather early. I was terribly skinny, but menstruating and a d-cup by the sixth grade. This is normal in my family. Boys start getting hairy by about 8 or 9. We’ve been early bloomers for generations.
I’m told that the main ethnic groups in Norway are similar in that way. Their average age of menarche in the 1800′s for the wealthier classes was about 14, in the 1800′s, which is only a few months older than the current average now. Norwegians who get to eat well enough, have always hit puberty earlier and reach sexual maturity earlier.
So 13 in Norway, without legal restraints, is generally ready enough to start fooling around without much psychological trauma, same as it would be for most Native American people. The problem is though, that where by 13 a Native American or Norwegian person 500 years ago, would have gone through the rites of passage and mental preparation for adulthood by then, people of some other ethnicities might not have, and most people in the west today definitely haven’t.
Regardless of legal and cultural changes, a 13 year old boy of Nordic descent is probably worried about getting a woman he shags pregnant, and for good reason. His dad, grandad, and great grandad would have had the same worries at the same ages.
A 13 year old boy of Anglo descent with little or no Nordic ancestry is not even likely to be producing real amounts of sperm for at least another year or two. Even quite unregulated Black guys in the hood in the U.S. are usually not producing any or enough sperm to get someone pregnant at 13.
That’s going to affect someone’s worldview. If my guess is correct, then Arpagus, all of his friends, and his family, were exposing him to information and issues of sex and its associated responsibilities since he was quite a bit younger than folks in other areas of the world. Because over 80% of the people there are of the same ancestry, these things are part of the culture because they’re part of the biological birds and bees, regardless of feminist propaganda.
In the U.S. though, there are people of varying ancestries under the same umbrella of laws. So they have to generalize based on averages that may not even be sane for large swathes of the population. The good news however, is that “big brother” isn’t everywhere at the same time, so to some degree, whether or not a “crime” is reported has a lot to do with whether or not a law will be directly enforced in a specific case.
In this particular case, the conviction was just, even if the sentencing wasn’t (because that sentence would be unjust for anyone regardless of gender). I can see how someone from a different culture with a different set of norms could view it as something blown out of proportion though. The guys in my family at 13 look and behave like some other guys at 18. Looking at them, you wouldn’t think they were still growing, except for a few of my cousins whose dads or moms were from late bloomer families.
For that reason though, they wouldn’t attract the predatory flavor of ephebophiles, and definitely not pedophiles. They don’t go for kids who can kick their ass. They have however, in their teens, sometimes shagged women who were older than them (16-25) and don’t seem to have been damaged by this at all…unless you count the annoying “I’m da pimp!” attitude.
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I have read somewhere that the age of puberty has been going down one month for every year the last 20 years or so, so parents would be advised to forget their own experience on the matter and prepare to face the question 1-2 years earlier than they would think.
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Nicole–
Pederasts of any gender? LOL! A pederast can by definition only be a man. Even Merriam-Webster, in a hilarious attempt to be gender-neutral, defines “pederast” as “one who practices anal intercourse especially with a boy,” which is kind of difficult for a woman to do. Don’t you see how ludicrous you sound? All of you who believe women can be sexual abusers are clearly suffering from a kind of mass-psychosis, feminist brainwashing taken to the most insane level imaginable.
Nicole, you are a parody of feminist extremism. I understand the motivation to take take a word for a fag who likes young boys and attempt to carry the negative connotations over to women, but it is so blatantly absurd that you only end up looking both ignorant and ridiculous.
My views are not due to the age of puberty in my ethnic group. It is categorically impossible for women to be sexual predators, period. We lack a negative word for women who are nice to boys for good reason. All attempts to invent one or apply an epithet meant for men are just pathetic.
Suppose we buy the feminist lie that sexual acts are the same regardless of who performs them. If there is no difference in sexuality despite all appearances and common sense and the wisdom of the ages as well as evolutionary psychology — if these are all wrong about sex being a female resource and boys getting any being only lucky, then feminism probably has a point about women being oppressed, too. If the sexes are equal, then women probably don’t rise as high in society and achieve as much as men due to oppression, and affirmative action is deserved. Of course feminists claim a sex crime is equal when committed by a woman, because the lie this is based on is the lie they base all feminist policies on. It is funny and sad that so many men are played for a fool by the feminists about this and advocate the application of sex laws to women, and it is totally expected that the women here unanimously promote this madness with the exception of Laura.
There is, in fact, one type of sexual misbehavior that is worse when women do it, and that is infidelity. Now feminists insist on treating this too as the same, which also serves women. So no matter how you look at it, from creating a colder world for boys to grow up in to divorce proceedings, pretending there are no sex differences in sexual misbehavior always hurts men and benefits women, and that is why they promote the lie that there are no differences. Nicole and the others are acting in bad faith (or they are really, really stupid).
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I’m going to respond to something that could, perhaps, be better left unsaid, but for the sake of providing illustration of a point, decided that something would be better if spoken about.
I must be one of the “really, really stupid”. Aside from wishing to follow and join into this immediate train of thought above, I’m someone who believes it possible that women can sexually disturb young adolescent men. Although I have no direct personal experience with this matter I know someone who claimed he had. I pledged confidentiality, at the time years ago, to someone who trusted me enough for him to reveal an aspect of his life whose name, obviously, is not mentioned.
He had told me of being about 12 YOA and that for days on end lasting for months he was morning woken by an older female fellating him. “Wow, were you ever lucky”, I told him. Not so, he replied, you don’t know what that was like day after day and without having someone to take him away from this arrangement. Back then, as it is evident today, it is believed that women are incapable of sexually intruding on sexually innocent unwilling recipients of such attention, let alone young growing men. Over the course of days I was told about several number of aggressive actions perpetrated by this individual upon others and himself. A man who grew up doing many things to the maximum. Any connection of early sexual intrusion upon the innocent to outward hostility in growing boys, does anyone suppose ? It appears ongoing that young men are never harmed in any ways by older aggressive females. Must be their level of maturity, right?
Does one example make for an across the board rule? No. But this was one man who opened up to another. I dare say how many other occurances such as this exist in the real world. Not that I wish to see ‘witch’ hunts upon and a suspecting all women of sexual improprieties with minors (the thought sickens me) as I see it perpetrated to an extent upon many men (similarly sickening). But we are dealing with protecting the underaged, which is at issue, right?
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Arpagus, count me among the stupid then, who believe that any premeditated, sober, non consensual sexual contact or exposure is a crime regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.
Women can and do commit sex crimes against disabled or disadvantaged men, boys, and other women. Perhaps not in the same numbers as men, but with the same intent, coming out of the same psychology. Worse, because of many people minimizing these things, some women are out and open sexual predators who do what they do for years before they get bold and sadistic about it.
It’s not about feminism at all. It’s about adults not interfering with the sexual development of children. I’m no prude. Context is important, but in this case, you’re talking about a woman exploiting a child, not a woman having fun with a young man.
Would you feel lucky if a woman who was bigger and stronger than you cornered you and pressured you to touch her boobs?
How about something more plausible…a woman you’re shagging with whom you usually wear a condom, gets you drunk, and has sex with you while you’re barely conscious, with no condom, and gets pregnant. Feeling lucky?
You’re born with muscular dystrophy, and though you have a pretty good intellectual and social life, you need care and help with day to day things. You already have a great girlfriend. Your new nurse starts flirting with you, but you’re not interested. So while she’s dressing or bathing you, she starts getting fresh. Still feeling lucky?
Women can’t be sexual predators?
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Arpagus,
I don’t know where you get the idea that women can’t be sexual predators. I’m honestly amazed you’ve convinced yourself of this. Anyway, here’s a thought experiment for you, which hopefull will clarify that your take on things in completely fucked.
A man and a woman in a relationship have an argument and the man decides they need to split up. The woman doesn’t like this so she threatens to call the cops and claim the man abused her. She does this in an attempt to gain control over the man. The man is now in the position where he can either unwillingly go along with all the wishes of the woman, or he can suffer whatever the consequences the false abuse claim leads to. There’s a component of sexual abuse in this situation within the larger context of the general abuse of power at the hands of the woman. It’s clear and unambiguous.
This exact situation happened to someone I know. And it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the abuse of power done by women using the false rape/abuse trick happens alot once you look at the false rape stats, and the amount of spurious claims in the legal system.
So exactly how is it again that a woman can’t be a predator?
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Some ability to edit comments for typos would be nice lol.
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The defendant is such a pig it should be a crime for her to have sex with anyone – she is who vibrators are for.
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Nicole–
Yes. Most boobs are attractive and I certainly have no aversion to touching any woman’s boobs. The notion of man/boy being violated by touching breasts is preposterous.
Yes. I actively seek to impregnate any woman and don’t wear condoms unless I have to. However, even if a man does not want to sire a child, the offense is not a sexual one. The problem would be the extortion of money by the state for child support, but that is not a sexual crime. The physical contact, if truly coerced, would be simple assault or whatever it would be without the sexual aspect, which is irrelevant. There can be no sexual violation.
Even if a man really does not want sex with a particular woman, the offense is so trivial that it does not even begin to compare to the equivalent act committed by a man. I would not consider this nurse a sexual predator and certainly the law should exclude the possibility of prosecuting women for any type of sexual coercion. The law should not be concerned with trifles. De minimis non curat lex, the saying used to be. But now even touching breasts is a serious crime? I really think you are, if not stupid, suffering from a delusion if you truly believe what you say, Nicole.
Of course women can be abusive, and threatening with using the violence of the state against men is horrible, but the sexual aspect of the control is irrelevant. The man is not victimized by having sex with the woman, though of course he can be hurt in any number of other ways.
Because sex is a female resource, women can’t be sexual predators, period. Female sexuality is desirable and objectively valuable. To reiterate, this is how Baumeister puts it in “Sexual Economics”:
Baumeister is an esteemed psychologist, and evolutionary biologists agree with this as well. So how is it that science is wrong and feminists are right? Why do you believe this? Some revolting feminists made up the lie that women can be sexual predators to bolster their false world view of sex being a social construct, and unfortunately they managed to convince a lot of gullible folks, even some otherwise good people. If you are not a feminist, then you are obtuse or delusional.
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Arpagus, there are generalities and then there are individual cases. Not all women are attractive to all men, and a man should not be forced or coerced to have sex or sexual contact with a woman he’s not attracted to.
I can’t say that my culture has absolutely nothing to do with my perception of this. As an “ugly” woman, I am the target of a fair bit of hostility and attempted degradation because of it. I have come to believe that a great many men view my breathing as a personal insult, so the idea of even looking too long at a guy who doesn’t initiate a romantic/sexual conversation with me would require a great leap into predatory thoughts. I can’t even stand to let someone touch me who doesn’t care about me.
Feminism may have created the situation in which men feel assaulted by women who want to have sex with them, and have created opportunities for actual predation by women to happen, but the behavior still is what it is. Whatever things were like in the past, this is what we have now…women with a lot of anger and frustration taking that out on people who can’t fight back.
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Arpagus, the reason why you are involuntarily celibate, is precisely because this belief you have that sex is a female resource who gift it to men.
You’ve spent all that time reading and posting at Roissy’s, and you still fail to see your problem clearly – women are not sexually attracted to men “beneath” them.
Women are attracted to men for which SHE feels lucky to be having sex with HIM.
Hypergamy.
If you’re entire view of sex is this “female resource” than you are no doubt broadcasting this self-belief that you are a lowly beggar, hungrily hoping some female would give you a charity fuck.
In America, that’s what girls call “creepy.” You reek of desperation for the “gift” of the “female resource.”
This entire mindset is diametrically opposed to everything women desire in a sex partner….which is precisely why you are an In-cel.
The only resource females have that they can gift to men, is their reproductive capabilities.
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Keoni Galt said,
Yes, I know how it works. The problem is, I can’t convince myself that my sexuality has value any more than I can convince myself that the earth is flat. I am all too aware of the scientific evidence, and it can’t be unlearned. The best I can hope for is through the artifice of game to deceive women into thinking they are lucky to sleep with me.
Right, and women’s reproductive capabilities have nothing to do with their sexuality? You sound like a social constructionist feminist. You believe the earth is flat. Delusions might get you laid, but they can’t be induced at will, even if I am willing to sacrifice my sanity and intellectual honesty for pussy.
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Keoni Galt said,
Women are attracted to men for which SHE feels lucky to be having sex with HIM.
Hypergamy.
Yes, I know how it works.
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there is more than one way of making a woman feel lucky to be with a man. I have had women come onto me instead of my friend who had much more money than me, was in better shape, and had a higher standing than me. They came onto me because I have a sense of humility, I can make them laugh and laugh at myself, I have self-control, I dont get easily rattled by bullshit, I can control myself and my emotions, I know a lot about a lot of stuff, I can talk to a lot of people about a lot of subjects but not seem like a know it all. I am not what I would consider an alpha, but Arpagus I think you could learn all of these things. When you take the mindset that you are the resource, not her, that is what game means to me. If you want to build your self-confidence go to the gym, or take up boxing. If you need pussy that bad go to an escort, fuck the law. If you are afraid of being arrested for it, pay an attorney and ask him advice on how to break the law and keep him on retainer in case you are. This is your life and you dont have to justify it to the voters of Norway. Fuck the law.
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@Apargus,
If you can’t be convinced then why do you keep yapping? If you want validation go to a feminist site where they are certainly going to, at the very least, passively, agree with you that women are more valuable and better than men.
Many of them also have personal problems that have profoundly affected their lives, and from which the more intelligent of them have built a pseudo-intellectual artifice called “feminism”.
They have done this in order to validate the assumptions of their damaged psyches, and to avoid the pain of having to accept any responsibility for improving themselves and the states of their own lives.
Sound familiar?
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“If you are afraid of being arrested for it, pay an attorney and ask him advice on how to break the law ”
I’m not sure what it’s like in Norway, but here in the U.S., I’m pretty sure an attorney can NOT advise you on how to break the law. I know they can’t in California, in spite of what you see on TV (well, unless they’re a crook). What an attorney might be able to help with is to clearly explain the law in greater detail than a superficial reading might illuminate and what specific actions would be required for you to break it so you have greater confidence that your actions aren’t illegal.
OTOH- prostitution in California is illegal (just like pot is), yet, it’s a fraction of what it costs in Nevada, where brothels (but not street walking or massage parlors) are legal. Go figure.
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One in four men in South Africa have admitted to rape and many confess to attacking more than one victim, according to a study that exposes the country’s endemic culture of sexual violence.
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Im sorry ignore the previous post, I mean to post something else. He could explain the specifics of entrapment and such. I went to an escort several times I saw on craigslist. I can only tell you the specifics of what happened to me. the first time I went to go see her I called her up and asked when she was available, she said to call her back in an hour. I called her and she then told me where she was. she saw me through the window, and opened her door. she asked me what I wanted. I told her what I wanted. she then asked me if I was a cop, I said no. then she had me touch her breast with her bra off to prove I was not a cop (something they are not allowed to do) then we confirmed the price and I did my business and left. If you are that scared of doing it know that most johns are let off with a warning or small fine. if you are afraid of even that hire an attorney on retainer and tell me what you are doing. once you know you can pay for pussy at any time (directly) without having to put up with the generalized nonsense of women, a lot of the stressors arent there anymore.
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Arpagus, you sound like me when the reality hit that my husband wasn’t interested in sex anymore. What I already felt was technically worthless, moved down a notch to actually worthless and unwanted.
What brought me to peace ultimately was the realization that love is vastly more important. The desire for sex is just a physical urge driving us to reproduce and add a little genetic variety to the microbes we all carry. We’re just small parts of a greater whole, but what a whole.
Get outside and enjoy some nature. The sea is more beautiful than the most beautiful woman, and stronger than the strongest man. If you haven’t done so already, gain survival skills that don’t depend on infrastructure. I think the ability to disappear from society gives a person a kind of power that makes the petty little things seem fairly insignificant.
Seriously, either figure out how to get around the law or social b.s. to get your desires dealt with in a way that keeps you sane, or move to someplace where you’ll be appreciated. I don’t have a place in the world where guys would appreciate a fat old ugly woman. You, on the other hand, are a young White guy whose only barrier is behavioral.
I’d say it would be easier for you to fake being more of an asshole than for me to fake being pretty.
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Nicole, while I agree that love is vastly more important, I have neither love nor sex, so there is really no comparison. I don’t know what’s wrong with your husband, but you have no shortage of men who want to have sex with you. In fact you get so much sexual attention that you complain about it all the time on your blog and elsewhere and pride yourself on not putting out anymore unless you get way more than sex in return, so you have implicitly recognized that sex is a female resource. Clearly you are a sex object despite being “a fat old ugly woman” (your words), while I am completely worthless. I don’t understand how you can reconcile your experience with the lie that women can be sexual predators. Surely you must also know by now that game calls for negging and pretending to be picky in order to fake sexual abundance, so you should take everyone calling you ugly with a grain of salt to say the least, particularly in the Roissysphere. You are so wrong about not having a place in the world where guys would appreciate women like you. For instance, I just saw an ad on this very page for blackbbwsingles.com.
I disagree about nature being more beautiful than women. Nothing can surpass feminine beauty, and intimacy is such a basic need that all other forms of aesthetic appreciation are meaningless until my sexual needs are met.
@epoche*
I don’t mind breaking the law, but prostitution isn’t an adequate solution. I need deeper intimacy than can be obtained that way. Still it is better than nothing, of course, and I have already been with about ten prostitutes in my life.
@Poester99
Not for validation, but I have argued with feminists about sex as a female resource and the impossibility of women being sexual predators. They angrily disagree and I usually get censored, because the lie that sex is a social construct is a cornerstone of feminism. All their entitlement programs are based on this life-lie. They have so much to lose by admitting there are innate sex differences that they will go to great lengths to cover up the truth — including convicting women for an altogether spurious and factitious category of crime. It was feminists who invented the sham that women can be sex offenders, and they are its most ardent supporters. Sadly they have fooled some men as well.
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Arpagus, you might not be getting sex at the moment, but you are getting love. You’re getting love from people here who are with you in trying to grow and sort out the current mess our societies are in. Some people love you even though we’ve never met you in person because we respect you and your perspective even when we don’t always agree.
Granted, our love might not count for much since it’s from a distance, but the people around you are no less human than we are. If you show them a little of what you’ve shown us, you might get a similar result, but up close. If not then, like many of us have said, maybe you need a change of scenery.
On the resource thing, food and medicine are resources too, but there are limits to how much a person should have, and when. Just because sugar may be very much desired, and everybody needs some carbohydrates to live, overfeeding a child sugar is irresponsible.
So sex may mean different things to males and females, but in an adult and child situation, the adult should not indulge the whims of the child concerning any resource. I’ve never been a boy, and I’m not a telepath, so I don’t know at what age something like being accosted by an older female would cease to be frightening. Whatever he’s thinking, the adult should be thinking about their responsibility to protect the child rather than seeking to exploit them.
Even if sex isn’t a social construct, in a civilization, we all have social responsibilities. One of them is the protection of children from sexual exploitation by adults. A female who breaks the societal trust is as guilty as a male, whether or not what she’s doing is predation or parasitism.
If boys don’t want that protection, then that would change things. If by default of being male, they feel strongly enough that it should be a free for all with any female, then they have the option of fighting for their rights. They can form NAWBLA and lower the age of consent for males to whatever.
I believe that boys do want the legal protection though. I could be wrong, but I think they do.
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Absolutely. Arpagus’ argument is entirely skewed by the fact that he’s celibate. He wants pussy so bad that he’s decided that all males feel like him,and that being raped by a female would be a good thing for all guys. Well, I’m here to tell you that I doubt you would enjoy female on male rape, because female rapists are just as fucked up as male rapists. I’ve read and heard stories about women tying rubber bands or ropes around dudes’ dicks to keep them hard and leaving the rubber bands on, because she decided that after she’s done with him,he doesn’t really need a dick anymore.
Female on male rape is anything but benign,it’s usually done to someone in a disadvantaged state,like a disabled or elderly person, and can be every bit as brutal as prison rape.
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Nergal, the question is though, whether or not the existence of female rapists who are just as bad or worse than the average male rapist, or female pedophiles and coercive ephebophiles acting out similarly to males is natural or a result of the belief in sex as a social construct.
So I went back looking for male rape and pedophilia perpetrated by non relative females in history, and the pickings were slim. There was almost no such thing before the late 1800′s because the age of manhood was historically between 10 and 13.
The only thing I came up with that was really disturbing was that in some pockets of the world, it was said that masturbating them was a good cure for colic in male infants. That could be perpetrated by a non relative, since it was customary in those communities, but other than that I didn’t find anything outside of incest or truly psychotic violence.
So there are and were female sexual predators, but the motivation wasn’t usually quite sexual so much as it was ignorance or violence. So I can concede that it’s extremely rare for a woman to be a sexual predator for reasons other than societal influence.
The idea of sex as a social construct has spawned what is apparently a new breed of women who either feel entitled to perpetrate sexual violence, or feel perverse for attraction to adolescent men and act out as perverts instead of sane people who can tow the societal line or act discretely. I can’t say whether or not this is something natural that was just recently recorded or allowed to spring up.
It is however, like the increase of other female violence and criminality, a problem that warrants a solution. Perhaps along with telling men that they aren’t perverts who are going to burn in hell for being attracted to nubile young women so long as their intentions and actions remain honorable, we should be telling women something similar. Currently, most women don’t need to be told that, but as entitlement culture spreads and sinks in, we’re likely to see more predatory behavior from women, whether or not it is natural for them.
Lately, I’ve been looking into the cougar trend and some of the things that go on in the periphery, like women pursuing guys as young as 13. It happens here in Israel A LOT. Some of these guys go in thinking that they’re in a real relationship, only to get dumped when they reach whatever the woman’s “expiration date” for bitches is. That can only happen in a culture wherein women view men as disposable.
Even more disturbing is that some of these guys actually invest considerable time and money in these relationships. The young man is basically being groomed as a sucker.
So it’s not the sex that is the problem, so much as it is the attitude of the older, more experienced person. If it’s ow/ym and just for fun, or if it’s an appropriate age gap relationship, no real harm is done. If the older woman’s intentions are exploitive though, she is taking something of value from the younger man. It may not be the exact same thing an older man takes from a younger woman, but it’s still something important.
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How many males do you think are going to report being raped by a woman, and who would listen,anyway?
My ex-girlfriend once bragged to me that she raped me in my sleep as often as possible,and I don’t doubt that it did happen a few times. If I was a woman, she would be in jail right now. But if I took my story to the cops as a man, they would laugh at me, and might put ME in jail for something.
I’m fairly certain this isn’t anything new. Women have always been this way, it’s just that after feminism, people are scrutinizing female behavior more closely. It’s one of those unexpected consequences that many females have no conception of. When you run around demeaning natural male behavior, those males start taking note of YOUR behavior as well.
Women’s intentions are ALWAYS exploitative when it comes to sex, because 99.9% of the time, they’re not having sex for the sex.
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Nergal–
Once again we see how proponents of the feminist lie that woman can be rapists have to resort to some bizarre side effect to “prove” it. Even if this isn’t the urban legend it sounds like, the violation here is not the sexual act per se. Of course destroying a man’s dick by a rubber band or whatever is a horrible crime, should be considered much worse than rape, but it isn’t rape and does not make the preceding sex rape. Neither does having to pay child support, which is a favorite argument for the lie that women can “rape” boys. These things have no bearing on whether there was any rape and you have to be really obtuse to use them as evidence.
Then the offense would be the brutality, not the sex. You are gravely insulting actual rape victims by likening this to rape by a man. This is a very offensive trivialization of rape. When a man rapes, and especially in homosexual rape, the degradation of the sex act itself is a horrible violation irrespective of any physical damage, and this aspect is completely absent if a woman does it — only the violence remains, and I never said this is less serious done by women, only that the sexual aspect is irrelevant. By the logic you all use to fool yourself about female rapists, rape wouldn’t be very serious if there is no physical damage. In fact, I can cite studies showing that the mental trauma of rape is inversely proportional to the physical brutality (probably because then the victim’s husband might not believe her, suspect infidelity and abandon her, potentially a serious problem in our ancestral environment). By treating rape as a gender-neutral phenomenon, you would be forced to ignore the real mechanism by which rape is harmful.
Actually, this happened in Norway about six years ago. In the most ridiculous court case in the history of the world, a woman was sentenced to 9 months (eventually changed to 8 months by the Supreme Court) for fellating a man when he slept. Thanks to feminists like you, this is included in the legal definition of rape, and feminists are more than happy to have a woman convicted once in a blue moon for the thousands of men they get to imprison in the interim. I bet you are the kind of moron who would report this to the police if you lived in such a perversely advanced feminist state as Norway, where police and courts do indeed take it seriously because feminists have brainwashed all common sense out of them. Useful idiots like you legitimize feminist sex laws and you are an enemy of all men.
Yes, and for the same reason they can’t be rapists (though I’m not quite that pessimistic — a lot of times women have sex just for pleasure, but the man is getting a valuable resource anyhow and it can never be rape). You are contradicting yourself. Women don’t steal sex from men because there is nothing of value to steal. Whatever else exploitation occurs may or may not be criminal but it isn’t a sex crime. When a man has sex it is for sex 99.9% of the time, contrary to feminist dogma which holds that rape is about power rather than sex, and it is the forced sex itself that is the essence and crime of rape.
Nicole–
I’ve also heard anthropological evidence of mothers in some cultures sucking infants’ dicks to calm them down. This is only disturbing to us because we are brainwashed by the feminist abuse industry and likely has no adverse effects in a culture that doesn’t see everything as abuse. Masturbation against colic is also very harmless as far as misguided medical advice goes.
Men at any age often invest a lot in a relationship and have their hearts broken. This has nothing to do with rape or sexual abuse and should not be legislated as such. And at any rate that fate is a lot better than virginity. The young man at least has gained experience and pre-selection. Virginity is the ultimate pre-rejection, a terribly unattractive stigma that is well worth “being groomed as a sucker” to get rid of. I wish that had happened to me, and your wanting to “protect” boys from this is insulting because you are doing just the opposite. Perhaps we should “protect” boys from getting birthday gifts too? Calling it “protection” does not make the thing you seek to “protect” them for bad for them. As far as I am concerned, boys do not want “protection” from sexual activity with women. I would totally support NAWBLA.
The problem is that boys don’t have any political power. They only have hateful feminists and useful idiot males to speak for them and the result is the current charade of “equality” extended to sex crimes, hurting men and boys and benefiting feminists and the abuse industry.
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Arpagus, since you don’t seem to be open to the emotional damage argument (which is real, even if you don’t see it), I’m going to try another tack.
Suppose, for a moment, that you were the most desirable man on Earth. That some 3 billion women would all prefer having your children to those of any other man. However, splitting your seed up evenly entails significant transaction costs–isolating sperm one at a time and inseminating each woman individually costs more in time and effort than the difference between your desirability and the desirability of the second most desirable man on Earth. You are therefore limited to inseminating women with more conventionally sized doses. However, you are limited–both in terms of time, and in terms of physical ability–in the number of doses you can produce per day. Taking these doses without using them to create a child would thus constitute a direct harm to the number of offspring you could produce.
Beyond that, we have the additional complication that you have needs, such as food, water, and shelter. For that reason, you (in order to avoid spending time doing anything other than supplying sperm doses) sell these doses in return for getting these needs met (there are women willing to pay, since they would otherwise only be able to get significantly less desirable sperm). But then taking one of these doses without payment is straightforwardly theft.
This hopefully makes clear the fact that the most desirable man on Earth’s sexuality has inherent value, and taking it without consent would constitute a direct harm (even if you don’t believe it would cause any emotional damage).
You would, I expect, here argue that there is no man actually living like this anywhere. This is partially because the transaction costs are even higher than I previously indicated, partially because desirability is not a strict ordering, and partially because a desirable man will want to limit the amount of sexuality he supplies on the open market in order to keep the price high–maximizing profits (measured here in terms of utility and not just in terms of money). Thus, despite not living quite like the initial abstract scenario, a desirable man’s sexuality still has market value–value that can be stolen in the same way that spare copies of a limited edition collectible (made in case some of the initial run are damaged) can be stolen.
(Tangentially, this model enables us to explain Game. People are largely reliant upon social cues in order to determine desirability and value; putting a shiny exterior on something and treating it as if it has value will convince people that it has value. This is the way that Game functions; like any other form of effective advertising, it convinces the customer–the woman–of the value of the goods in question.)
In this way it should be clear to you that at least some men can be raped. Equal protection before the law would therefore suggest that we protect all men from that possibility.
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@epoche*
I don’t mind breaking the law, but prostitution isn’t an adequate solution. I need deeper intimacy than can be obtained that way. Still it is better than nothing, of course, and I have already been with about ten prostitutes in my life.
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I dont know why you assume that everyone has this in their lives. Lots of people are having sex, and lots of people have intimacy with someone they deeply care about it, but I can assure you that everyone does not have both. Not even most. For example, many people hate the person they sleep with and are only with them because of children. Many people are dating they dont like because they are afraid of being alone, not because they are sincerely interested in being with the person they are with. The grass isnt always greener. The idea that everyone else except you is experiencing simultaneous orgasms with someone they deeply care about is a delusion. I personally would go to a prostitute because I dont believe in serial monogamy, I dont want to play the “dating” game of having to care about you and your vapidity, if I am not going to build something more permanent with you. If I want to experience the tenderness of a woman, I have no problem paying, I would have to pay for it regardless.
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You think male sexuality is “degrading” and you’re calling me a feminist? Wait,what? You’re about one step away from declaring that “all heterosexual sex is rape” and burning your bra there,buddy.
Hahaha. That may be true, but at least I don’t think incestuous pedophilia is a-ok. VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
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I think our in-cel buddy Arpagus might actually be a feminist infiltrator .
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@Arbitrary
I agree that in the case of extremely desirable (i.e. powerful) men, male sexuality can theoretically have some value that can be infringed on by women. If a man has a huge harem providing a constant supply of ovulating girls, and say a postmenopausal woman by forcing him to have sex with her prevents him from impregnating as many nubile girls as he otherwise would, then that would be a sort of rape. However, the offense would be very slight and affect only some of the most powerful men on earth (none alive today, I think) who scarcely need the law to protect them. Since very few men have ever had that problem, it is doubtful that evolution has selected for an emotional response to the theft of sperm by women comparable to the pain of a woman who is raped (or homosexual rape, which is probably so horrible because it lowers a man’s social status and social status is what men need to attract women). It is absurd, really. If you believe these deserve “equal protection before the law,” then the penalty for female rapists would be inordinately draconian. So we need to lower the punishment accordingly. Considering that most boys and men “raped” by women don’t have a harem they are missing out on and are in fact lucky to get an extra reproductive opportunity and the ultimate proof to other women that they are desirable, rather than having their fitness reduced, to balance things out something like a $10 fine for rape would be appropriate.
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you people are disgusting. demonizing male sexuality? fuck you. both male and female pedophiles belong in prison for a long long time. You wanna stick up men’s rights? how about sticking up for the boys raped by male pedophiles, who will one day be men. Or does you bitterness not let you understand their suffering?
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This is excessive punishment…for a man or a woman. 10 years (at the very least) just for letting some teenager touch your genitalia?
Murderers get off with less. I don’t see how this is fair in any way.
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